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← 2014-05-04 | 2014-05-06 → ↓
00:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03256997 = 0.1954 BTC [-] {2}
00:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03299999 = 0.198 BTC [-] {2}
00:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.03349935 = 0.67 BTC [+]
00:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 55 @ 0.0065999 = 0.363 BTC [+]
00:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03349868 = 0.335 BTC [-]
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00:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 99 @ 0.00289999 = 0.2871 BTC [+]
00:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4751101 BTC [+]
00:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00084536 = 5.6639 BTC [-] {2}
00:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1450 @ 0.00084677 = 1.2278 BTC [+]
00:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00084684 = 5.7585 BTC [+] {3}
01:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2821 @ 0.00084444 = 2.3822 BTC [-] {3}
01:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11618 @ 0.0008481 = 9.8532 BTC [+] {3}
01:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07699999 = 0.385 BTC [+] {2}
01:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]
01:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00084306 = 11.297 BTC [-]
01:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7450 @ 0.00084189 = 6.2721 BTC [-] {2}
01:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00084319 = 2.5717 BTC [+]
01:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7415 @ 0.00084169 = 6.2411 BTC [-]
01:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0065999 = 0.33 BTC [+]
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02:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3041 @ 0.00084169 = 2.5596 BTC [-]
02:17 Naphex morning:D
02:17 fluffypony morning Naphex
02:28 Naphex morn fluff
02:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1293 @ 0.00084319 = 1.0902 BTC [+]
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02:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.0044013 = 0.1628 BTC [-] {8}
02:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3258 @ 0.0008429 = 2.7462 BTC [-] {2}
02:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5651 @ 0.0008413 = 4.7542 BTC [-]
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03:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00084054 = 12.0617 BTC [-] {3}
03:50 Naphex http://www.prismicide.com/
03:50 ozbot PRISMICIDE - OPEN SECURITY PLATFORM
03:50 Naphex a very nice addition
03:57 Naphex smart cards pretty much naturally integrate with bitcoin
03:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.46734 = 1.402 BTC [-] {2}
04:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4655 = 0.931 BTC [-] {2}
04:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3764 @ 0.00083948 = 3.1598 BTC [-]
04:02 danielpbarron i recently got one of the openPGP smart cards
04:02 danielpbarron i didn't realize it has a random number generator built in; I find it hard to believe it's cryptographically secure
04:02 Naphex it is pretty much
04:03 danielpbarron considering the amount of work going into cardano
04:03 Naphex i have been working a lot with smart cards/desfire3
04:03 Naphex desfire3 / rfid cards are a bit more secure imho, but there you go
04:03 Naphex still wouldn't store 10000000 bitcoins on it, but its pretty safe and secure for the regulars
04:03 Naphex and deffinetly a step up
04:04 danielpbarron who are "the regulars?"
04:04 Naphex normal people, who want to use bitcoin
04:04 danielpbarron do you mean the individuals who should just stay in FIAT?
04:04 danielpbarron yeah
04:04 Naphex i mean whoever use bitcoin for normal purchases, and would want a 'secure' hot wallet
04:05 Naphex or bitcoin atm users
04:05 danielpbarron what is a "normal purchase?"
04:05 Naphex google play gift cards
04:05 Naphex :)
04:06 fluffypony lol
04:07 danielpbarron !up bawse
04:07 assbot Voicing bawse for 30 minutes.
04:07 bawse Thats nice of you, I really wish you the best and was touched when you accepted my apology.
04:09 danielpbarron is hash-selling still a scam, or did someone figure out a way to make that a legit business?
04:10 Naphex anyway regarding smart cards and rng, for bitcoin is not that much worry-some cause you can just store your private key on it and use that to sign the transactions
04:10 random_cat_ anyone know the software (i think meteor based) developed at MIT (i think, maybe at cambridge) which allows for data protection against a hostile server operator?
04:10 Naphex so you can use whatever rng and store/transmit it securely
04:10 danielpbarron Naphex: how are you generating the private key?
04:11 Naphex danielpbarron: if i'm bored i'd roll the dice and upload it on the card using a clean linux/busybox boot ;]
04:11 danielpbarron i assumed that a built-in RNG on the card meant that the key was generated on the card
04:11 Naphex on an offline computer, in a lead room
04:11 Naphex danielpbarron: nah the card can sign the transactions
04:12 Naphex you can if you want use the rng to generate a priv key, but you can just as well upload one
04:12 danielpbarron then how is that secure?
04:12 danielpbarron if the infected computer can just write to the card
04:12 random_cat_ my google foo is failing me
04:13 Naphex danielpbarron: you realize you can lock the card down in lots of ways after
04:13 danielpbarron i don't know very much about smart cards
04:13 Naphex if you want you can do SmartOS auth before writeing a key, or just burn it down to read only
04:13 Naphex so it can never be written again
04:13 Naphex the point is, you can get the smart card to just sign transactions
04:14 Naphex removing you and your pc from your private key
04:14 danielpbarron i get that part
04:14 Naphex thats it
04:14 danielpbarron don't you also need cryptographically secure RNG to do the signing?
04:15 jurov !up PsychoticBoy
04:15 assbot Insufficient rights, jurov, !up yourself on PM first.
04:16 jurov !up PsychoticBoy
04:16 assbot Voicing PsychoticBoy for 30 minutes.
04:17 Naphex danielpbarron: not for signing
04:17 Naphex only for generating keys
04:17 bawse hash selling is legit
04:18 dub drugs r bad mkay
04:18 bawse for people who do not have btc and want cloud mining
04:18 bawse ie, the newbies
04:19 dub you just invent the PMB
04:19 bawse !up dignork
04:19 assbot Insufficient rights, bawse, !up yourself on PM first.
04:19 mircea_popescu !up dignork
04:19 assbot Voicing dignork for 30 minutes.
04:19 dub big !up yoself
04:20 bawse dub what is pmb
04:20 dub bawse: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.0
04:21 mircea_popescu o lordy.
04:21 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-with-pmbs-ie-perpetual-mining-bonds/
04:21 ozbot The problem with PMBs, ie “Perpetual Mining Bonds” pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
04:21 mircea_popescu wrong link dub :D
04:21 dub mine tells the same tale
04:21 jurov ;;gettrust assbot PsychoticBoy
04:21 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask PsychoticBoy!sid27029@pdpc/supporter/active/psychoticboy. Trust relationship from user assbot to user PsychoticBoy: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=PsychoticBoy | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=PsychoticBoy | Rated since: Tue May 1 14:39:15 2012
04:22 mircea_popescu either that or ends up with some guy investing :D
04:25 jurov ;;rate PsychoticBoy 1 one of the first coinbr users
04:25 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user PsychoticBoy has been recorded.
04:25 bawse im only selling hashing power through cex in the hopes of selling 1gh for the price of 2, hoping the person signs up under my link so i can make 3% of what he buys in the future. and also initially buy 1gh with the extra $3.31 i charged. Plus PMB's are tales of people who do not know how to cash out BTC at $165 more than they are worth like I do.
04:25 mircea_popescu so you're special.
04:25 bawse no
04:26 bawse im just saying if my 1583gh cointerra only makes 32 or .09 in this market, i can make $60 with .09
04:26 bawse so im ok with this. others are not ok.
04:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00084412 = 7.4283 BTC [+] {2}
04:29 mircea_popescu myeah. since 2012, the exact sort of nonsense has been field by the exact sort of people involved in pmbs.
04:29 Naphex danielpbarron: to clarify, when you do ECDSA signatures you do need 1 random integer (required to be different) called K, but even in most bitcoin implementation it is generated deterministcally d
04:29 bawse im not involved in pmbs
04:29 mircea_popescu i imagine sooner or later you'll figure things out.
04:29 bawse hopefully sooner
04:30 mircea_popescu ;;later peterl i disagree btw. while i'm pretty sure quantum computing is the exact equivalent of perpetuum mobile, only we don't have the three rules of quantum compudynamics yet, cold fusion may or may not be in the same situation. maybe we discover something about lasers that makes containment work, who knows.
04:30 gribble Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "peterl" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
04:30 mircea_popescu ;;later tell peterl i disagree btw. while i'm pretty sure quantum computing is the exact equivalent of perpetuum mobile, only we don't have the three rules of quantum compudynamics yet, cold fusion may or may not be in the same situation. maybe we discover something about lasers that makes containment work, who knows.
04:30 gribble The operation succeeded.
04:32 random_cat_ perhaps someone here is interested in http://eprint.iacr.org/2014/257.pdf
04:33 mircea_popescu i wish i recalled the url of fluffypony's pdf crusher
04:33 Naphex mircea_popescu: try this https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ropQbwlg0-8J:eprint.iacr.org/2014/257.pdf+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ro
04:33 mircea_popescu aty
04:34 mircea_popescu Bruce Kallick Curmudgeon Associates << yay
04:35 mircea_popescu https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmpSMWRCMAAe5LP.png:large << gotta love amateur statistics.
04:36 mircea_popescu televisions are more than 100% cheaper nao, don't you know.
04:36 Naphex thats nice cause i broke mine a week ago:(
04:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07797899 = 0.156 BTC [+] {2}
04:36 fluffypony mircea_popescu: it's not ready for prime timez yet
04:39 fluffypony http://pdfnomo.re/257/
04:39 fluffypony manually crunched
04:40 mircea_popescu http://news.liveandinvestoverseas.com/microsoft-challenges-search-warrants-abroad/
04:40 mircea_popescu check that shit out
04:40 ozbot Microsoft Challenges U.S. Search... - Live And Invest Overseas News
04:40 mircea_popescu magistrate judges. they aren't judges in any sense, but they think they may opine on matters.
04:41 mircea_popescu also in the news, what men are and how they work : https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bm0Rwc9CcAEsUfy.jpg:large
04:44 mircea_popescu !up tank100
04:44 assbot Voicing tank100 for 30 minutes.
04:44 mircea_popescu !up wywialm
04:44 assbot Voicing wywialm for 30 minutes.
04:44 wywialm hello
04:44 HeySteve2 morning
04:44 wywialm just authenticated
04:45 HeySteve2 Shackleton's original ad? epic
04:45 mircea_popescu %diff
04:45 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 140875.36 in 1608 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -69.06
04:45 mircea_popescu HeySteve2 aye.
04:45 mircea_popescu wywialm hey. you know how to up yourself yet ?
04:45 mircea_popescu %block
04:45 mircea_popescu %mined
04:45 atcbot [ATC Mined] Current: 15691264 Total ATC (to be mined): 268435456 % Mined of Total: 5.85
04:45 wywialm ofc, i just had to authenticate
04:45 mircea_popescu %lb
04:45 atcbot [ATC Last Block] Height: 30648 Time: 2014-05-05T08:30:22Z Vout Sum: 512 Number TXs: 1 Difficulty: 455357.12903751 Hash: 00000000000005602eb8602ae9b1dd97624573f1a7d520feb684a95219cd4da1 Fee: 0.00000000 Size: 204 Days Destroyed: 0 Confirmations: 1
04:46 mircea_popescu a ok just makin sure.
04:47 wywialm thx anyway for up :)
04:47 mircea_popescu ;)
04:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1750 @ 0.00084239 = 1.4742 BTC [-]
04:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 619 @ 0.00083986 = 0.5199 BTC [-]
04:59 random_cat_ are there any search engines that work any more? :|
05:00 mircea_popescu notrly.
05:01 Naphex mircea_popescu: regarding DNS2address resolve for bitcoin, i am setting up an updated example that includes support for BIP32 xpub keys for address derivation
05:02 mircea_popescu document it.
05:02 Naphex very usefull, especially for payments processing and account resolve
05:02 Naphex you could encode pub key to specifiy user_id on a deposit system
05:02 Naphex then it can just derive xN payments for that specific user while reusing addresses each time
05:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07553694 = 0.7554 BTC [-]
05:03 Naphex tree would be MasterWallet/User_ID/Payment_ID
05:03 Naphex listener can just scan xpubs, while only remembering last payment id
05:03 Naphex could throw that all in cold wallets and just do realtime processing
05:04 Naphex i will prolly document it after i have a full working example, prolly with some client front end to demo it
05:04 mircea_popescu it sounds great but you want to have it looked at by multiple pairs of eyes.
05:05 Naphex ofcourse
05:05 Naphex just ironing it out
05:05 mircea_popescu cool.
05:06 wywialm mircea_popescu, is the rating of 10 appropriate to reflect the fact that I operate numerisTrade account? Or should I set the rating to 1 not to prop up "total trust" (I'm aware that total trust should not be taken into account heavily, but still..)
05:06 mircea_popescu wywialm i'd say its adequate
05:06 mircea_popescu !up pactr
05:06 assbot Voicing pactr for 30 minutes.
05:06 mircea_popescu ;;rated nanotube
05:06 gribble You rated user nanotube on Wed Aug 3 15:08:50 2011, with a rating of 10, and supplied these additional notes: owner of otc and all around reasonable guy.
05:06 mircea_popescu that's a for instance. i know enough about the guy to tell you that if you're using the wot you're implicitly trusting him.
05:08 wywialm i'm asking cause I was just accused in the -otc of shilling
05:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00083986 = 5.753 BTC [-]
05:08 mircea_popescu you're in a similar situation with your own thing
05:08 mircea_popescu ya well what do they know.
05:09 wywialm thanks anyway
05:10 mircea_popescu anyway they should chillax, plenty of people have a ton of meaningless -10s
05:10 mircea_popescu ;;getrating [\\\]
05:10 gribble Error: "\\\" is not a valid command.
05:10 mircea_popescu http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=anduck&sign=ANY&type=RECV
05:10 ozbot Rating Details for User 'anduck'
05:10 mircea_popescu there
05:13 fluffypony wywialm: don't get fussed over -otc, they throw tantrums about how to rate every few days lately
05:13 wywialm I see what you mean :)
05:13 fluffypony even after having things pointed out they like to argue minutiae and wording on the wiki
05:13 mircea_popescu there's htis wiki mentality thing
05:14 mircea_popescu i mean people usually derp about how bad trolls are on the internet
05:14 mircea_popescu trolls ain't bad. wikiheads are much much worse.
05:14 fluffypony lol
05:14 fluffypony !up wywialm
05:14 assbot Insufficient rights, fluffypony, !up yourself on PM first.
05:14 fluffypony !up
05:14 assbot Need a nickname, fluffypony.
05:14 mircea_popescu !down fluffypony
05:14 mircea_popescu woot :D
05:15 fluffypony weird
05:15 fluffypony !up wywialm
05:15 assbot Voicing wywialm without time-limit.
05:15 mircea_popescu o hey let's try that other thing btw.
05:15 mircea_popescu !up mircea_popescu
05:15 assbot Really, mircea_popescu?
05:15 mircea_popescu gah
05:15 fluffypony mircea_popescu: I'm keen, give me details
05:16 mircea_popescu it used to be that if you uped yourself for 30 mins, anyone could down you and it stuck. then kako broke it.
05:16 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves money laundering is the only conceivable explanation.
05:17 mircea_popescu artifexd is one a penguin and the other a flashing gif ?
05:18 mircea_popescu danielpbarron: considering the amount of work going into cardano << secure is a relative, not an absolute term.
05:18 artifexd At the time they were both keyrings. Right now, http://pool.sks-keyservers.net/ looks like it hasn't been configured.
05:19 mircea_popescu artifexd i mean the favicon strictly.
05:19 artifexd In which case, no. I have something that looks like a stylized R.
05:19 artifexd On both.
05:19 mircea_popescu what the glowing fuck.
05:20 artifexd They both look vastly different than earlier.
05:20 mircea_popescu there is some skulldruggery going on here. 1 sec i show you.
05:20 artifexd Seriously. I'm getting "This is the default web page for this server." on the port 80 url.
05:20 fluffypony me too
05:21 fluffypony port 11371 works
05:21 fluffypony but that's changed in the past hour
05:21 artifexd Yeah. No css at all anymore.
05:21 fluffypony css here
05:21 fluffypony it looked like that standard key server interface earlier, now it has css
05:22 punkman I'm getting metalgamer.eu on http://pool.sks-keyservers.net/
05:23 artifexd I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that something is screwy.
05:23 mircea_popescu artifexd http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/weird.png
05:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00084169 = 13.2566 BTC [+]
05:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03152036 = 0.2837 BTC [-] {4}
05:23 mircea_popescu so. the plain domain has a penguin. the :11371 however has a changing icon
05:23 artifexd What do you see for this: http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/favicon.ico
05:23 artifexd And this: http://pool.sks-keyservers.net/favicon.ico
05:23 fluffypony page not found on the first
05:23 mircea_popescu 404 nginx
05:24 fluffypony key icon on the second
05:24 mircea_popescu both
05:24 Apocalyptic so no trilema article regarding that convo with bitcoingirl I guess
05:24 punkman wtf is metalgamer.eu
05:24 mircea_popescu this is some fucking dns absurdity in here
05:24 mircea_popescu is the keyserver being discreetely attacked ?
05:24 mircea_popescu Apocalyptic nah.
05:24 artifexd I get the R. But when I paste the url to imgur, it shows a key.
05:24 fluffypony maybe they're just reinstalling
05:25 mircea_popescu fluffypony no cause same bs happened last night too
05:25 fluffypony oh
05:25 fluffypony wow
05:25 mircea_popescu there ios some possibility someone is using the favicon to track people visiting the server
05:25 fluffypony it has like 10 A records
05:25 fluffypony http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=8424Segg
05:26 fluffypony so DNS round robin
05:26 fluffypony and some of the servers are broken
05:26 artifexd It is resolving to 82.15.145.10 for me.
05:26 artifexd Which is not on that list.
05:26 fluffypony yeah
05:27 mircea_popescu http://g.etfv.co/http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/favicon.ico << this for instance
05:27 mircea_popescu yields etfv's OWN favicon
05:27 mircea_popescu (and so does google's service yield google's favicon)
05:27 random_cat_ finally found it: Mylar from MIT
05:27 random_cat_ yay for browser history
05:28 punkman http://i.imgur.com/5rXwnI3.png
05:30 fluffypony definitely DNS round robin borking
05:30 mircea_popescu so this is beyond suspicious.
05:30 Apocalyptic punkman, seems legit
05:31 bounce all zat fanzy vheb teknologie
05:31 mircea_popescu anyone got fiskerstrand on a list ?
05:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 89 @ 0.00120125 = 0.1069 BTC [-] {4}
05:34 mircea_popescu i see 37.44.179.12 ftr.
05:36 mircea_popescu (also not on the list)
05:45 random_cat_ have you tried some looking glass sites?
05:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4150 @ 0.00084453 = 3.5048 BTC [+]
06:01 bounce http://edition.cnn.com/2014/05/04/us/florida-goblin-shark/
06:01 ozbot Shrimper who caught rare goblin shark: "Man, he's ugly" - CNN.com
06:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03310666 = 0.1986 BTC [-] {3}
06:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 39 @ 0.03257564 = 1.2704 BTC [-] {10}
06:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00084453 = 7.5163 BTC [+]
06:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00084447 = 3.0401 BTC [-]
06:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1250 @ 0.00084305 = 1.0538 BTC [-]
07:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00083986 = 4.7032 BTC [-]
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07:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00083986 = 2.2256 BTC [-]
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07:46 fluffypony speaking of DNS
07:46 fluffypony http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/google_announcement.png
07:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3121 @ 0.00014072 = 0.4392 BTC [-] {6}
08:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14465 @ 0.00084242 = 12.1856 BTC [+] {4}
08:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11154 @ 0.00084628 = 9.4394 BTC [+] {3}
08:11 random_cat_ mircea_popescu didn't get the memo :D
08:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.03317899 = 0.2323 BTC [+] {2}
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08:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3481 @ 0.00084745 = 2.95 BTC [+]
08:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 52 @ 0.00610025 = 0.3172 BTC [-] {4}
08:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4981 @ 0.00084355 = 4.2017 BTC [-] {2}
08:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 738 @ 0.00083948 = 0.6195 BTC [-]
08:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07797989 = 0.4679 BTC [+]
08:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03226167 = 0.2581 BTC [-] {2}
08:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00083948 = 7.8911 BTC [-] {2}
08:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 225 @ 0.00601001 = 1.3523 BTC [-] {2}
09:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]
09:07 jurov i just got informed that neisseria meningitis was found in my throat, now im reading wikipedia:
09:07 jurov Though it initially produces general symptoms like fatigue, it can rapidly progress from fever, headache and neck stiffness to coma and death.
09:07 jurov Death occurs in approximately 10% of cases.
09:07 jurov *breathes heavily*
09:08 jurov and to think i had sore throad on and off for months
09:08 jurov *throat
09:08 fluffypony coma and death?
09:09 fluffypony that's crazy
09:09 fluffypony :/
09:09 fluffypony is it easy to treat?
09:09 jurov got atb
09:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.0008491 = 5.8588 BTC [+] {2}
09:16 jurov and that's like fourth time i got completely improbable bacteria diagnosed, including some special superbacteria from iraq
09:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07797989 = 0.2339 BTC [+]
09:29 ThickAsThieves I guess the japanese horror movies were right, baby blood does make you younger http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/05/science/young-blood-may-hold-key-to-reversing-aging.html?_r=1
09:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.07798863 = 2.7296 BTC [+] {4}
09:30 ThickAsThieves it's happening! http://www.coindesk.com/fidor-becomes-first-bank-to-use-ripple-payment-protocol/
09:30 davout ThickAsThieves: wonder how that will be implemented tho
09:31 davout EUR IOUs are basically e-money, so it's either
09:31 davout they let anyone hold them
09:31 davout or they let only known customers hold them
09:32 davout former case they're ripe for ML abuse and whatnot
09:32 davout latter case there's not much point
09:33 Apocalyptic ripple lobby has achieved a feat here
09:33 davout it's interesting that they do that since ripple will then be a direct competitor to both kraken and bitcoin.de
09:33 Apocalyptic yeah davout
09:33 Apocalyptic totally consistent business outlook
09:33 davout (and to bitcoin-central as well obv. but they have no stake in it, so that's not really the same)
09:34 ThickAsThieves <+davout> or they let only known customers hold them //// itll be this
09:34 Apocalyptic maybe they don't want to have all the egs in the same basket
09:34 davout mebbe
09:36 ThickAsThieves i dont like it nonetheless
09:37 ThickAsThieves bitcoin works for the same purposes and it isn't owned by a company
09:37 davout ThickAsThieves: i don't really see anything wrong with ripple as long as you take it for what it actually is : a mechanism to transmit debt, for which you have to buy stamps from a single company
09:38 davout ThickAsThieves: bitcoin doesn't work for the "same purposes", bitcoin is about cash, ripple is about debt
09:38 ThickAsThieves well in the case of their own stated purpose, the difference is semantic, no?
09:38 ThickAsThieves they wanna use it to send money fast all over the place
09:39 davout well, for certain values of money it works, for the ones we're interested in it's irrelevant
09:39 davout it's just in the continuation of debt money, it's not really a competitor to bitcoin in any way
09:40 ThickAsThieves “Ripple enables us to securely and instantly send money anywhere in the world at no additional cost and through the same customer facing products and relationships we offer today.”
09:40 Apocalyptic <davout> it's just in the continuation of debt money, it's not really a competitor to bitcoin in any way << this
09:40 ThickAsThieves no additional cost?
09:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07799076 = 1.1699 BTC [+] {2}
09:40 davout it's the "anywhere in the world" part that's misleading, that's not actually true, the cash EUR never leaves fidor
09:41 ThickAsThieves i'm not stating it as a competitor to bitcoin, so much as the reverse
09:41 Apocalyptic <ThickAsThieves> bitcoin works for the same purposes and it isn't owned by a company
09:41 Apocalyptic you stated it right there
09:42 ThickAsThieves ?
09:42 ThickAsThieves anyway, ripple is lam
09:42 ThickAsThieves lame
09:43 Apocalyptic that we can agree on
09:43 ThickAsThieves i guess i just missed where we disagreed
09:43 pankkake well, ripple's altcoin, XRP, is arguably cash
09:43 pankkake except it's closer to Bernankoin's cash than to Bitcoin's cash
09:44 Apocalyptic pankkake, the thing is XRP is bound to be depleted
09:44 pankkake you can also create other altcoins in ripple
09:44 Apocalyptic and then the rest of tx will be realised through debt transmission
09:44 Apocalyptic ThickAsThieves, <ThickAsThieves> bitcoin works for the same purpose // I argue the purpose is clearly different
09:45 Apocalyptic it may look like they want to achieve the same things, but they don't
09:45 ThickAsThieves you misinterpret 'purpose'
09:45 ThickAsThieves i meant the tool can be used the same way
09:45 ThickAsThieves not the mission is shared
09:45 Apocalyptic then I guess I did
09:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00084948 = 8.0276 BTC [+]
09:48 davout pankkake: "well, ripple's altcoin, XRP, is arguably cash" <<< yes
09:49 Apocalyptic note that XRP is destroyed for each tx
09:49 davout pankkake: "you can also create other altcoins in ripple <<< i don't think so or i misunderstand sthg
09:49 davout Apocalyptic: that fits the definition of a stamp
09:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00084948 = 2.3785 BTC [+]
09:50 pankkake davout: the trick is to create a currency and not do anything with it
09:51 davout pankkake: well then it's just some IOU for nothing, not really an altcoin in the sense that it doesn't work in the same ways cryptos do
09:51 pankkake but bitcoin is also an IOU for nothing
09:51 davout but it works with a blockchain
09:52 davout i guess if that's what you define as an "altcoin" then we are in agreement
09:53 ThickAsThieves heh a major investor of Ripple is also one for Pando
09:53 ThickAsThieves http://pando.com/2014/05/05/ripple-announces-integration-with-germanys-fidor-bank-ushering-in-a-future-of-near-instant-and-free-global-money-transfer/
09:53 ThickAsThieves "[Disclosure: Andreessen Horowitz partners Marc Andreessen, Jeff Jordan, and Chris Dixon are investors in Pando.]"
09:54 davout i really am curious to see how that will actually work
09:54 ThickAsThieves " Smart money, however, is on the fact that today’s Fidor announcement will be the first domino in a long chain of such adoptions.
09:54 ThickAsThieves Just like data wants to be free, money wants to move like data. Ripple is looking more and more like the rails on which that money will move."
09:54 ThickAsThieves such unbias
09:55 Apocalyptic .d
09:55 ozbot 8.001 billion | Next Diff in 1173 blocks | Estimated Change: 3.9776% in 7d 19h 27m 48s
09:56 ThickAsThieves Estimated Next Difficulty:8,676,109,949 (+8.44%)
10:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23174 @ 0.00084784 = 19.6478 BTC [-] {4}
10:05 fluffypony someone should write an article loudly claiming Apple is buying Ripple and they'll be calling it Rapple
10:05 pankkake write for Coinion :)
10:05 ThickAsThieves maybe if Ripple were traded on Havelock
10:05 fluffypony lol
10:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 538 @ 0.00087878 = 0.4728 BTC [+] {5}
10:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 200 @ 0.00088099 = 0.1762 BTC [+] {2}
10:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 200 @ 0.00087008 = 0.174 BTC [-] {2}
10:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46000 @ 0.00084943 = 39.0738 BTC [+] {3}
10:13 pankkake !up bitcoingirl
10:13 assbot Insufficient rights, pankkake, !up yourself on PM first.
10:13 davout !up bitcoingirl
10:13 assbot Voicing bitcoingirl for 30 minutes.
10:14 bitcoingirl Hi doesn't anyone have any thoughts on the SaveGox campaign?
10:15 bitcoingirl or doesn't any know the status of the class action law suits?
10:16 pankkake the question is what is there to save
10:16 mod6 ^
10:16 ThickAsThieves i think, while it seems silly, Gox probably does have some brand equity
10:16 mod6 or why would it be worth saving at all?
10:16 pankkake the userbase doesn't like mtgox. it always sucked
10:17 bitcoingirl as far as making investors whole again
10:17 ThickAsThieves but i dont think that equity is with big players
10:17 bitcoingirl http://www.savegox.com/?page_id=51
10:17 ThickAsThieves that doesnt mean there isnt money to be made
10:17 bitcoingirl vs liquidation
10:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 410 @ 0.00084987 = 0.3484 BTC [+]
10:17 bitcoingirl <+ThickAsThieves> right, that's the argument
10:18 jurov there is *no way* to make investors whole again
10:18 jurov or, what do you mean with it bitcoingirl?
10:18 ThickAsThieves making investors whole is indeed unlikely, but it's also impossible if they liquidate
10:20 ThickAsThieves it's very difficult to tell how much more money could be put back into users' hands though
10:20 ThickAsThieves could end up being 10% more over 5 years
10:20 ThickAsThieves and then it fizzles and dies
10:20 bitcoingirl Karples hasn't agreed to the settlement, why do you think he would rather liquidate?
10:20 ThickAsThieves because work
10:21 bitcoingirl not because he could be prosecuted?
10:21 davout could he?
10:21 ThickAsThieves he cant avoid that if he is
10:22 ThickAsThieves who the hell wants to run the new mt gox with such a cloud and debt hanging over its head
10:22 Naphex lawyers!
10:22 bitcoingirl the settlement has a "Prosecution Fund" provision that would go after stolen customer assets
10:22 ThickAsThieves i guess
10:22 Naphex sharks
10:22 bitcoingirl Sunlot Holdings was formed for this very reason
10:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03269759 = 0.2289 BTC [+]
10:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.46514286 = 6.512 BTC [-] {4}
10:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.46000287 = 7.36 BTC [-] {3}
10:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.45161666 = 5.4194 BTC [-] {5}
10:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5940 @ 0.00084811 = 5.0378 BTC [-]
10:38 ThickAsThieves fluffypony thank you for your question suggestions for the Bitcoin2014 conference
10:38 fluffypony ThickAsThieves: pleasure, I couldn't think of any others offhand
10:47 Naphex !up bitcoingirl
10:47 assbot Voicing bitcoingirl for 30 minutes.
10:48 Naphex bitcoingirl: you should learn about gpg and WoT and stuff if you're gonna hang ;]
10:48 Naphex or you might lose that + and won't be able to talk in channel
10:49 pankkake ;;gpg info bitcoingirl
10:49 gribble User 'BitcoinGirl', with keyid None, fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1MYtkWgJifWpLdjiK7AcLgGUhZNP297orA, registered on Sun Apr 7 20:05:51 2013, last authed on Sun Apr 7 18:05:51 2013. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=BitcoinGirl . Currently not authenticated.
10:49 Naphex might be some different bitcoin girl ;]
10:50 pankkake yeah
10:50 Naphex bitcoingirl: http://bitcoin-otc.com/trust.php / http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html / http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System
10:50 pankkake ;;gpg info bitcoinguy
10:50 gribble User 'bitcoinGuy', with keyid None, fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 13Q4dgxB8g15Kfd2hjGqs2tviJq7kCAFic, registered on Mon Nov 25 11:26:03 2013, last authed on Mon Nov 25 11:26:03 2013. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=bitcoinGuy . Currently not authenticated.
10:50 pankkake waaah
10:50 pankkake ;;gpg info bitcoinwhiteguy
10:50 gribble No such user registered.
10:54 jurov ;;gpg info bitcoinnigga
10:54 gribble No such user registered.
10:54 jurov ;;gpg info bitcoingypsy
10:54 gribble No such user registered.
10:55 pankkake ;;gpg info bitcoinfag
10:55 gribble No such user registered.
10:55 pankkake there's still opportunities
10:55 Naphex haha
10:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6971 @ 0.00084811 = 5.9122 BTC [-]
10:56 fluffypony hah
10:56 bitcoinfag taken :D
10:56 fluffypony Duke poster arriving 3...2....1....
10:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2322 @ 0.00085028 = 1.9744 BTC [+] {2}
10:57 jurov !up kermit
10:57 assbot Voicing kermit for 30 minutes.
10:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15383 @ 0.0008504 = 13.0817 BTC [+] {2}
11:01 asciilifeform http://cryptome.org/2014/05/nsa-tempest-01-02-oct-02.pdf
11:01 asciilifeform heavily censored, naturally.
11:02 ThickAsThieves information so free that it can't be seen
11:03 asciilifeform small summary: http://cryptome.org/nsa-tempest.htm
11:08 asciilifeform in other news:
11:08 asciilifeform http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/05/statecraft-or-witchcraft.html
11:08 ozbot ClubOrlov: Statecraft or Witchcraft?
11:11 jurov How was the US State Department been busy in Ukraine?
11:12 asciilifeform jurov: this topic isn't particularly mysterious - beaten to death in open literature.
11:12 Apocalyptic asciilifeform, any idea why cryptome is still up ?
11:12 asciilifeform Apocalyptic: aside from the obvious fact that 99+% of the material found there is junk - no idea.
11:13 pankkake can't stop the signal
11:13 Apocalyptic can stop the .org domain definitely
11:14 ThickAsThieves http://www.pfhub.com/wisconsin-political-candidate-mark-clear-returns-bitcoin-donations-654/
11:14 ozbot Wisconsin political candidate Mark Clear returns bitcoin donations
11:14 ThickAsThieves lol
11:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00085081 = 11.4009 BTC [+] {2}
11:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00085129 = 14.2165 BTC [+] {2}
11:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.07500756 = 7.5008 BTC [-] {16}
11:23 jurov well, if orlov's right, russia is right on way to extens its eugenic program to whole eurasia soon
11:24 jurov does it at least have more citizens than 100 years ago?
11:25 jurov really, all these slaughters of own citizens..what other purpose it could have then eugenics?
11:25 jurov *than
11:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00084811 = 3.6469 BTC [-]
11:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.07135379 = 7.1354 BTC [-] {11}
11:29 jurov lol they'll cotinue with it on ukraine and with bonus convince everyone incl. orlov that "them us puppets ordered that"
11:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00084811 = 7.9722 BTC [-]
11:31 thestringpuller wow tons of capital vacated MPOE
11:33 mike_c well, didn't you hear? mp is extradited to antartica to face AEC security fraud charges.
11:33 fluffypony I believe "they" are on "their" way to arrest him right this minute
11:34 jurov should i hde, too?
11:34 jurov *hide
11:34 fluffypony hide yo wife, hide yo kids, coz they're raping erry-one out there
11:34 ThickAsThieves nope, just keep contracting rare illnesses
11:34 mike_c probably. antartica is coming down hard on all btc bizness
11:34 ThickAsThieves you'll be fine
11:34 davout_ mike_c: lelz
11:35 pankkake understandable, it's melting because of it
11:35 fluffypony yes
11:35 fluffypony which is MP's fault, I'm told
11:35 jurov wut, 40BTC is meltdown?
11:35 fluffypony because bitcoin...electricity...heat...uh....
11:35 Apocalyptic jurov, like an iceberg, it's melting under the water
11:35 ThickAsThieves probably just someone has a buttload of mpoe and unloads once in a while when they can
11:35 thestringpuller wtf are AEC charges?
11:36 mike_c antartica exchange commission. duh.
11:36 thestringpuller pomodoro...
11:36 thestringpuller ;;seen benkay
11:36 gribble benkay was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 12 hours, 31 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <benkay> get 'em while they're cheap frrreal
11:37 thestringpuller ;;ticker
11:37 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 429.95, Best ask: 429.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 429.99, 24 hour volume: 7341.92636950, 24 hour low: 425.0, 24 hour high: 445.0, 24 hour vwap: 435.070993586
11:37 thestringpuller nice
11:37 fluffypony the charge sheet is right there with the INTERPOL RED CARD that the ref has given Danny
11:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0714004 = 1.071 BTC [+] {2}
11:37 ThickAsThieves http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/forget-logging-facebook-bitid-lets-sign-bitcoin-address/2014/05/05
11:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 115 @ 0.07068462 = 8.1287 BTC [-] {12}
11:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14163 @ 0.00085146 = 12.0592 BTC [+] {3}
11:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25313 @ 0.00085193 = 21.5649 BTC [+] {2}
11:39 ThickAsThieves fluffypony huh? I don't even see Danny wanted in Cyprus on Interpol
11:40 fluffypony ThickAsThieves: that's the thing
11:40 fluffypony who was that guy clamouring aboout it
11:40 ThickAsThieves lolstate?
11:40 ThickAsThieves dude is probly jimmothy or some other toxic actor
11:41 fluffypony "blackkys"
11:41 fluffypony https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=324177
11:41 ozbot View the profile of blackkys
11:41 fluffypony that dude
11:41 fluffypony "Also European and International arrest warrants have been issued together with an Interpol Red Notice."
11:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.077 = 0.231 BTC [-]
11:41 fluffypony then when he's pressured to demonstrate that these exist he just keeps batting it away
11:42 fluffypony because Danny has committed a Very Seriouz Felony (tm)
11:42 ThickAsThieves :/
11:42 pankkake will it stop once they can't try to pump neobeeQ anymore?
11:43 ThickAsThieves who knows
11:43 mike_c in 17 minutes?
11:43 mike_c we will see shortly.
11:44 mike_c if anyone here is doing that history of failures, you should screen grab the neebeeq stuff quick
11:44 pankkake there is assbot log
11:45 mike_c yeah, i was thinking of lulzy havelock updates and what-not. i guess those are probably preserved in bitcointa.lk somewhere.
11:45 pankkake oh right
11:45 pankkake !t h neobeeq
11:45 assbot [HAVELOCK:NEOBEEQ] 1D: 0.00001261 / 1.277E-5 / 0.00001700 (17434 shares, 0.22257403 BTC), 7D: 0.00001261 / 2.149E-5 / 0.00006970 (205360 shares, 4.41329943 BTC), 30D: 0.00001261 / 0.00011594 / 0.00045000 (675713 shares, 78.33886123 BTC)
11:45 pankkake I guess that's the value of drama
11:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.4508002 = 2.254 BTC [-] {3}
11:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.0044301 = 0.2038 BTC [+]
11:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 102 @ 0.00443005 = 0.4519 BTC [-] {3}
11:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 31 @ 0.07778191 = 2.4112 BTC [+] {3}
12:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.65503744 BTC to 8`448 shares, 31428 satoshi per share
12:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17050 @ 0.0008526 = 14.5368 BTC [+] {3}
12:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] [PAID] 23.70000000 BTC to 30`000`000 shares, 79 satoshi per share
12:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3065 @ 0.00014052 = 0.4307 BTC [-] {5}
12:05 chetty http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/05/05/department-defense-to-study-bitcoin-as-terrorist-threat/
12:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00085436 = 7.9028 BTC [+]
12:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00085202 = 8.861 BTC [-] {2}
12:21 mike_c aand, it's gone. ah, interesting bitbet: what will be the next fund delisted from havelock? could be one every month!
12:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.0001455 = 0.291 BTC [-]
12:27 benkay what'd havelock delist?
12:28 jurov neobbq
12:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07773006 = 0.3109 BTC [-]
12:29 jurov i'd bet some of these mining ops
12:29 benkay <jurov> i just got informed that neisseria meningitis was found in my throat << how much d'ya want for coinbr? :D
12:29 jurov just for you.. 50k btc?
12:30 benkay ;;ticker
12:30 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 433.98, Best ask: 434.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 434.0, 24 hour volume: 8376.14788294, 24 hour low: 425.0, 24 hour high: 445.0, 24 hour vwap: 434.910659841
12:30 benkay er
12:30 benkay !t s s.mpoe
12:30 assbot It says some pelt-wearin' trapper, some stinkin' bean-suckin' possum skinner, he's gonna collect that reward money.
12:30 benkay !t m s.mpoe
12:30 assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00083894 / 0.00084562 / 0.00085436 (810968 shares, 685.77 BTC), 7D: 0.00083786 / 0.00094575 / 0.00098485 (4986284 shares, 4,715.80 BTC), 30D: 0.00083786 / 0.00096384 / 0.00101 (19586724 shares, 18,878.50 BTC)
12:30 benkay jeeeeesus.
12:31 benkay ;;calc 0.0.00083894 * 1000000000
12:31 gribble Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
12:31 benkay ;;calc 0.00083894 * 1000000000
12:31 gribble 838940
12:31 * benkay cries in the corner
12:31 benkay every thing is dumb and i am hungover
12:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00435527 = 1.3066 BTC [-] {7}
12:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00430255 = 1.2908 BTC [-] {7}
12:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4092 @ 0.00085436 = 3.496 BTC [+]
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12:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.00603906 = 0.302 BTC [+] {2}
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13:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00086495 = 4.9735 BTC [+]
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13:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00085891 = 9.2762 BTC [-]
13:32 pankkake I'm now getting quantum physics spam (in French). apparently, it's a new way of healing
13:33 asciilifeform lol!
13:43 benkay i failed to bookmark the 'how would you like that wrapped up' editorial cartoon re: bitcoin. does anyone else have the link handy?
13:44 TomServo http://www.political-humor.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/control-of-bitcoin-how-would-you-like-this-wrapped.jpg
13:44 benkay gratzi, tomservo
13:46 mike_c is that a word? you mean grazie?
13:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 440 @ 0.00132 = 0.5808 BTC [-]
13:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07598128 = 0.3799 BTC [+] {2}
13:49 Apocalyptic probably
13:50 mike_c (i'm secretly hoping i'm not the worst in the channel at languages)
13:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 850 @ 0.00014474 = 0.123 BTC [-] {3}
13:52 benkay gratzie? grazie? which is correct?
13:52 benkay (not implying i mispelled, i am actually that illiterate)
13:56 Apocalyptic grazie, as mike_c suggested, is correct
13:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5571 @ 0.00085262 = 4.7499 BTC [-] {2}
14:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03263836 = 0.3264 BTC [-]
14:06 fluffypony http://i.imgur.com/vi6XS5Y.jpg
14:09 chetty anyone looked into this: https://rockwell-partners.com/
14:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.45012562 = 3.601 BTC [-] {4}
14:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.45 = 0.9 BTC [-]
14:13 mike_c chetty: um, sit back and make money? sounds pretty scammy.
14:15 mike_c making 50% a month? panacea oughta put their money with these guys.
14:15 chetty yeah thats what I was thinking - and they take btc to "invest"
14:15 mike_c this is better than pirate.
14:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03263836 = 0.1632 BTC [-] {2}
14:16 mike_c and they are "strong. loyal innovative."
14:16 chetty certainly has a certain fragrance
14:16 fluffypony mike_c: but it has a chart!
14:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6000 @ 0.00014747 = 0.8848 BTC [+] {5}
14:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.45 BTC [-]
14:19 pankkake not the first fiat ponzi scam to accept btc. but this one looks better (css wise)
14:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0324589 = 0.1623 BTC [-] {5}
14:24 chetty I dont actually recognize any of the other payment methods they have listed
14:26 punkman Craig Austin's real name is Jean Fixot: http://motofocus.pl/nowosci/9169/chimirec-otwiera-nowy-zaklad-w-polsce
14:26 kakobrekla its a ponzi
14:27 punkman (from Rockwell about page)
14:27 punkman classic HYIP
14:27 fluffypony I keep wanting to call it HIYP
14:27 punkman "1% on non-trading days" lol
14:28 mike_c i don't even see how you can ponzi at 50% a month. that is insane.
14:28 fluffypony lol
14:28 fluffypony mike_c: they won't make a single payment
14:28 mike_c i guess
14:28 punkman have a look at http://www.talkgold.com/
14:28 mike_c not really a ponzi then, just straight stealing.
14:29 fluffypony yep
14:30 punkman http://www.talkgold.com/forum/r412231-.html 1249 pages
14:30 ozbot Rockwell-Partners - rockwell-partners.com
14:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0322001 = 0.322 BTC [-]
14:31 fluffypony so basically you circle-jerk with your affiliate link
14:32 fluffypony talk about how your'e getting paid
14:32 fluffypony *you're
14:32 fluffypony and then profit?
14:32 punkman mostly just not profit
14:32 punkman but infinite hitpoints
14:33 mike_c ;;seen nubbins`
14:33 gribble nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 18 hours, 18 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <nubbins`> was going through a real meatspace phase D;
14:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00084983 = 26.7696 BTC [-] {2}
14:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2660 @ 0.00014998 = 0.3989 BTC [+] {3}
14:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4501 = 0.9002 BTC [+]
14:38 mike_c pankkake: have you seen the last s.mg report? i thought of you when reading about the package maintainer job (cuz of altcoin).
14:40 bounce "if we can't follow your every move (financially), you must be a terrorist (financier)" -- nothing like fat budgets to engender some more groupthink and target innovations like bitcoin. can someone please put the usg out of our misery?
14:43 pankkake mike_c: not sure why because of altcoin, but packages is something I know well
14:44 pankkake and you don't usually have to understand the language, just the build systems (which all suck, no exceptions :p)
14:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 799 @ 0.00014469 = 0.1156 BTC [-] {3}
14:44 mike_c well, because you put together the altcoin code, no?
14:45 mike_c in any case, seemed up your alley :)
14:45 bounce agreed. looking at the differences is interesting in a chinese sort of way, though.
14:45 pankkake altering a few values, and running make, sure :D
14:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07777999 = 0.3889 BTC [+]
14:47 chetty pankkake, make, jam ?
14:47 pankkake jam?
14:48 pankkake or it's a joke about pancakes :)
14:48 mike_c http://freetype.org/jam/
14:48 ozbot An introduction to Jam
14:55 pankkake benkay: blame jimmothy, or http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/a-year-of-s-mpoe/ ?
14:57 mike_c i thought my article was positive on s.mpoe. i don't think its my fault.
14:57 mike_c just because i can't figure it out doesn't mean much
14:58 kakobrekla mike killed mpoe. is true.
14:58 mike_c feel the power of btcalpha
14:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2148 @ 0.00085314 = 1.8325 BTC [+]
14:59 bounce ``Jam is a small open-source build tool that can be used as a replacement for Make.'' -- this is where I stop reading.
14:59 mike_c built by same guy as perforce i believe, which i am a fan of.
15:00 fluffypony bounce: I think it's what Boost uses
15:00 fluffypony it's awful
15:00 mike_c chetty: why did you pick jam?
15:01 bounce what was that kid again that distributed a bit of crappy code with a makefile containing a few lines of irc log that "everybody" just copies and pastes the rules, atop a list of rules that miraculously work some of the time altough most of them were written the wrong way around?
15:01 fluffypony I have no idea what you're talking about, bounce
15:01 fluffypony lol
15:01 bounce my pet theory is that there's a class of kids fascinated with building tools but aren't quite cut out to write compilers... so they stick to make "replacements" instead.
15:02 chetty mike_c, crystalspace was already using it, natural progression
15:02 davout ohai
15:03 bounce once you do understand how Make rules actually work, most of the problems people experience with make go away. and then the "better, easier" replacements are just pots of syntactic sugar. like, oh, ant for example.
15:04 fluffypony or CMake
15:05 mike_c i can understand not wanting to rewrite crystalspace's build files though.
15:05 davout bounce: nice one :-)
15:06 asciilifeform re: cmake: obligatory, http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3206985430398054@naggum.net.html
15:06 asciilifeform 'A "new" language that differs from the rest of the crop by one or a couple features is proof positive that both what it came from and what it has become are mutations about to die. There are tens if not hundreds of thousands of such "languages" that people have invented over the yeare, for all sorts of weird purposes where they just could not use whatever language they were already using, could not extend it
15:06 asciilifeform , and could not fathom how to modify its tools without making a whole new language.'
15:07 bounce cmake isn't a make replacement, it's a autofools replacement, loaded with colourfully painted godawful bikesheds and inducing more dependency pressure on the most common user (the non-dev compiler)
15:07 bounce in that sense it's strictly worse than autofools. some accomplishment.
15:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00085052 = 7.9949 BTC [-] {2}
15:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 728 @ 0.00014988 = 0.1091 BTC [+]
15:19 artifexd <fluffypony> or CMake << +1 like retweet upvote
15:19 fluffypony nigga plz
15:19 fluffypony Google +
15:19 artifexd That's the +1 parts
15:19 fluffypony oic oic, you got me covered
15:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10609 @ 0.00085355 = 9.0553 BTC [+] {2}
15:29 benkay mike_c: neat article
15:29 mike_c thanks.
15:33 danielpbarron !up Rulother
15:33 assbot Voicing Rulother for 30 minutes.
15:33 Rulother Thank you
15:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 52 @ 0.00430039 = 0.2236 BTC [-] {2}
15:34 danielpbarron no problem; what brings you to #bitcoin-assets?
15:35 Rulother Well nothing really, just on my auto list and been coming here for a little over a year
15:35 Rulother Nice to chime in from time to time depending on the convo
15:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07777999 = 0.3111 BTC [+]
15:35 danielpbarron I haven't seen you chat in here yet
15:35 Rulother hm
15:36 danielpbarron but I haven't been here a year
15:36 Rulother Well I promise you I've been here before :P
15:36 fluffypony danielpbarron: http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com
15:36 danielpbarron no worries, i'm just breaking the ice
15:36 fluffypony he's said ~1600 lines over the past year
15:36 Rulother More so a lurker in here
15:37 danielpbarron Rulother: if you auth with gribble, i'll give you a +1 so you can voice yourself in the future
15:37 Rulother I'll get on that when I can. At work, atm.
15:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00085261 = 5.2862 BTC [-]
15:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00085205 = 6.6034 BTC [-]
15:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00085205 = 8.0519 BTC [-]
15:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07777999 = 0.1556 BTC [+]
15:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.45 = 1.8 BTC [-]
15:57 fluffypony http://techcrunch.com/2014/05/05/dont-trust-bitcoin-startups-that-centralize-everything/
15:57 ozbot Don’t Trust Bitcoin Startups That Centralize Everything | TechCrunch
15:57 davout fluffypony: "don't like wormy apples? have a steak instead"
15:57 asciilifeform http://techcrunch.com/2024/05/05/dont-eat-shit-it-isnt-delicious/
15:58 fluffypony no you must read this, it's hilarious
15:58 davout asciilifeform: lmao
15:58 fluffypony it's basically Blockchain.info talking about decentralisation
15:58 fluffypony "ohai don't use a centralised provider...except us for your webwallet. we're fine."
15:59 fluffypony my favourite part is at the end
15:59 fluffypony "Finally, when the conversation moved to alternative coins, Smith also shared that he is bullish on dogecoins. “In terms of the alternative currencies that I like, I really like dogecoins. I got 3,600 dogecoins by selling an inflatable penguin,” he said."
15:59 fluffypony because on a scale of 1 to reasons-to-be-bullish-on-an-altcoin, being able to sell an inflatable penguin is right up there with "has the word Dark in the name"
16:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0322 = 0.2576 BTC [-] {4}
16:02 Naphex my fav part is how blockchain api carries password through cloudflare ssl passthru
16:02 davout Naphex: you sure it does ?
16:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00085205 = 8.6909 BTC [-]
16:03 Naphex davout: https://blockchain.info/api/blockchain_wallet_api
16:03 fluffypony davout: API, not regular web wallet access
16:03 danielpbarron i got like 500 free dogecoins a while back; turned it into BTC (what's that, a couple hundred satoshi?)
16:03 davout Naphex: ah ty, didn't know about this API
16:04 fluffypony danielpbarron: yeah I think it's ~1 mil doge to the BTC
16:04 davout i really can't believe they have such a thing...
16:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6654 @ 0.00085232 = 5.6713 BTC [+]
16:05 davout Naphex: not that having the password transit in clear was really necessary to get pwned by the cloudflare heresy anyway
16:05 davout just fuck with the JS on the fly
16:06 Naphex ofcourse
16:06 davout http://blog.bitcoin-central.net/2014/02/19/the-cloudflare-mitm/
16:06 ozbot The CloudFlare MITM | Paymium
16:07 Naphex cloudflare makes little sense to me
16:07 Naphex you pay for a varnish cache and a nginx ssl PT
16:07 Naphex and they get to read all your trafic, fun
16:08 Naphex varnish doesn't support ssl, so i'd bet that they will PT through regular http pretty often
16:08 mike_c davout: same thing for aws. their load balancer sits in front of your servers and handles SSL termination for you
16:08 mike_c (if you ask them to)
16:09 Naphex use a good DC and you will get most services top notch, imo
16:10 Naphex together with great ddos protection and quality support, for an easy time
16:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0321003 = 0.1605 BTC [-]
16:10 fluffypony "5 days before this article was written Cloudflare started offering Full (Strict) SSL, where traffic between Cloudflare and the origin server is encrypted AND the origin server’s cert is validated."
16:10 mike_c that sounds like a rosy assessment of DC's. where the hell do you host?
16:10 davout i'm thinking about e-mail based APIs against DDoS
16:10 fluffypony davout: that broke my brain
16:10 davout ikr
16:11 fluffypony Naphex: CloudFlare is AMAZING for non-critical services
16:11 Naphex mike_c: i use a industrial dc, usually services high end clients that have their own admins and servers
16:11 fluffypony for $5 a month I get an SSL cert and can use a snake-oil self-signed on the server
16:12 fluffypony I would never in a million years use it for something that is critical/financial
16:13 kakobrekla davout did you make any efforts to be included in rtbtc?
16:13 Naphex mike_c: http://www.gts.ro/ro-en/solutions/industries i highly recommend them
16:13 davout kakobrekla: i have a FIX interface in one the pans that's currently cooking
16:13 Naphex their website seems off with 404's, but you get an account manager, so no shitty web support and services
16:14 kakobrekla are they on fix only?
16:14 davout kakobrekla: i don't think so
16:14 kakobrekla are they on fix at all?
16:14 Naphex davout: i had a fix interface in master for a while but no point in launching it, 0 demand
16:15 Naphex and work is focused on other stuff
16:15 davout Naphex: what did you use ?
16:15 Naphex for what?
16:15 davout i mean, didja write it all yourself?
16:17 Naphex yeah, i was evaluating other protocols and did a fix impl for tests.
16:17 asciilifeform from the loltron:
16:17 asciilifeform http://nizhyn.pik.cn.ua/785/v-nizhini-separatistiv-saditimut-na-kol
16:17 asciilifeform tldr - ua gov. prepares to impale 'insurgents'.
16:18 Naphex davout: you should check out open fast, for fixfast if you're doing it in java
16:18 Naphex http://www.openfast.org/apidocs/
16:18 ozbot OpenFAST 1.1.2 API
16:18 asciilifeform 'three stakes, well sharpened on one side, have been prepared at...'
16:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2205 @ 0.0001429 = 0.3151 BTC [-] {8}
16:19 Naphex but i use a protobuf-like protocol in binary for the server backend
16:19 fluffypony asciilifeform: happy...easter?
16:19 asciilifeform lol
16:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9164 @ 0.00085411 = 7.8271 BTC [+] {2}
16:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07584429 = 0.3034 BTC [-]
16:20 davout Naphex: ty
16:22 bounce what, literally impale?
16:22 asciilifeform their idea, not mine.
16:23 fluffypony bounce: this is what the US government is like - http://i.imgur.com/y6CG4zP.jpg - "shhhhhh...it'll all be over soon...."
16:25 asciilifeform http://vvv-ig.livejournal.com/690116.html
16:25 asciilifeform ^ 'funfest' in odessa.
16:25 fluffypony Naphex: I hear you've been having fun weather that side of the planet: http://imgur.com/a/ZYFTi
16:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00085274 = 7.9731 BTC [-] {2}
16:30 Naphex fluffypony: its been raining some
16:30 Naphex but thats bout it
16:31 fluffypony Naphex: Bucharest got these cool mini-icebergs
16:31 fluffypony I would float a mini-titanic around them
16:32 bounce geez wtf pix. what's going on there?
16:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00085232 = 8.651 BTC [-]
16:33 bounce huh, serious optimism waiting at the bus in ankle deep ice water. here the busses'll stop going at a few cm snow
16:33 bounce s/bus/& stop/
16:35 bounce gah translate.google.com shits itself.
16:39 davout asciilifeform: interesting pics, what's the point of the article? what are all the circled things about?
16:40 davout there seems to be in a pair of pictures, the implication that one of the dead dudes was also present at some protest
16:41 davout like on this one -> http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/frallik/12164489/878159/878159_original.jpg
16:43 davout asciilifeform: nvm, gt seems to be doing an allright job ru->fr
16:58 mike_c Naphex: they look pretty good. ever had the occassion to test out the ddos mitigation?
17:02 asciilifeform davout: circled is bullet holes
17:02 davout asciilifeform: i google translated the whole thing bit by bit, fucking scary
17:02 asciilifeform the only thing there seems to be a kind of general agreement about is that the folks inside were fleeing from raging mob, and barricaded themselves in
17:03 davout that's not really the impression i get from this -> "Юноша и девушка. Они не сгорели и не задохнулись - нет признаков открытого огня на паркете (ему лет 50 и он должен был вспыхнуть как солома) и копоти от дыма на стенах. Их убили другим способом. Скорее всего обоим
17:03 davout сломали шеи - профессионалы развлекались."
17:04 asciilifeform yeah that's the russian version
17:04 asciilifeform that at least some of the corpses belonged to folks who were machine-gunned or beaten to death outside, then dragged in for the burning
17:05 davout yeah, the guy with the sunnies seems to be corroborating that
17:06 asciilifeform the popular notion that usa has the objective of re-establishing the old ua gov. is, imho, mistaken
17:06 davout guess i'm missing a lot of context here
17:06 asciilifeform what we're actually seeing is brzezinski's 'controlled chaos' algorithm.
17:06 davout keep talking
17:07 asciilifeform see usa re: libya, syria, etc.
17:07 asciilifeform 'let's you and him fight.'
17:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00085222 = 8.3944 BTC [-] {2}
17:12 davout sounds pretty sensible
17:12 asciilifeform 'divide & conquer' etc. no news here.
17:13 davout or maybe just stay the fuck away from trouble
17:14 asciilifeform 'you may not be interested in war, but war is certainly interested in you.'
17:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7798 @ 0.00085355 = 6.656 BTC [+]
17:19 Naphex mike_c: not really, best i had was like 30mbs
17:20 Naphex mike_c: but its deffinetly there they host some big nodes pretty close
17:20 Naphex (internet exchange nodes)
17:21 mike_c i believe they have the capacity, but that's not all that counts during ddos. just curious what they were like under fire. let me know if you ever find out ;)
17:21 Naphex sure, i have been using them for lots of years now. very satisfied
17:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00085437 = 2.734 BTC [+] {2}
17:34 Namworld Thanks to the miracle of whois, I'm receiving phone calls about a car in the parking lot.
17:35 fluffypony lol
17:37 Namworld Maybe I should add whois privacy, maybe not. But it's weird getting phone calls from strangers who managed to find out what's the phone number for your address. Whois is the only result on google for my address with the phone number attached.
17:38 Namworld They noticed the car didn't move all winter, they want to know who's car it is and buy it.
17:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.0322 = 0.483 BTC [-]
17:38 mod6 gonna restart atcbot, hang tight.
17:39 mod6 %h
17:39 atcbot %t | %ticker | %book | %diff | %tx <tx_id> | %bal <address> | %mined | %block <block_height> | %lb | %tslb | %cm | %ptp | %help | %h
17:39 mod6 %tslb
17:39 atcbot 41 minutes and 31 seconds
17:40 mod6 there you go BingoBoingo
17:40 mod6 %t
17:40 atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 224 Last Price: 224 24h-Vol: 26k High: 225 Low: 224 VWAP: 224
17:41 mike_c %tx 991270b4ca10a02a72305af02406415191748890a70bf1dd20b09b0c3782767c
17:41 atcbot [ATC TX] TX_ID: 991270b4ca10a02a72305af02406415191748890a70bf1dd20b09b0c3782767c Block: 30671 Confirmations: 6 Time: 2014-05-05T18:42:52Z Fee: 0.00000000 Days Destroyed: 666.67 IsUnconfirmed: false Sum of Incoming TXs: 250 Sum of Outgoing TXs: 250
17:41 mike_c cool
17:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0328999 = 0.329 BTC [+] {2}
17:42 thestringpuller mod6: mod6 mod6 mod6
17:42 mike_c %bal 19zWDQg5Mtpsp3BoYxkq6vr4BL1Kjsua7k
17:42 atcbot [ATC Balance] Address: 19zWDQg5Mtpsp3BoYxkq6vr4BL1Kjsua7k Balance: 1872583.9047 Total Received: 1872583.9047 Number TXs: 3 Confirmations: 2
17:43 mike_c ^ atc baller
17:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0321003 = 0.2568 BTC [-]
17:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03264275 = 0.1306 BTC [+] {2}
17:46 BingoBoingo mod6: Kind of
17:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0326975 = 0.1308 BTC [+] {2}
17:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00085456 = 12.5193 BTC [+] {3}
17:48 BingoBoingo So true
17:48 mike_c BingoBoingo: i looked over your atc reports, but i didn't have much trade history to try and correlate them with. the biggest "leak" seems to me that you are reporting each month whether you are long or short ATC.
17:49 BingoBoingo http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/05/05/north_korea_s_news_agency_writes_news_analysis_of_american_life.html
17:49 ozbot North Korea’s news agency writes “news analysis” of American life.
17:49 BingoBoingo mike_c: Thanks
17:49 thestringpuller BitID looks so lame
17:50 mike_c for such an active trader, it feels like an important piece of information to give away. but the alternative is to basically say nothing each month except BTC + (atc converted to btc). so i don't know what you can do about that.
17:50 kakobrekla BingoBoingo fyi http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-05-2014#659018
17:53 dub BingoBoingo: they nailed it
17:54 BingoBoingo kakobrekla: I've got so much logs to catch up on
17:55 kakobrekla dunno if this was here; http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=gjkivAf3
17:57 mod6 BingoBoingo: wait, that isn't what you'be been looking for?
17:57 BingoBoingo mod6: Which thing, I'm still catching up on logs. will take a while.
17:58 mod6 oh, just saw you doing tslb on atcbot before it had it. thought you'd be happy :}
17:58 Naphex kakobrekla: looks fake to me tbh
17:58 mod6 thestringpuller: haha, lightin me up huh
17:58 Naphex i run ssh honeypots, like 9
17:59 dub blackwhitewatcoin
17:59 Naphex and its unlikely for ssh to have /etc/shadow in memory
17:59 kakobrekla altcoins give it away
17:59 BingoBoingo Fucking America Healthcare. See three other doctors/doctor extenders before primary care doctor starts treating the thing you wanted treated in the first place
17:59 Naphex also most of the authentication goes through PAM
17:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00085297 = 11.5151 BTC [-] {2}
18:00 Naphex they run memory leak and then just get shadow and uname and such ;]
18:00 Naphex probably just a scam to get foolish scriptkids too pay for fake 0day
18:01 BingoBoingo The worst part is the prescribe the exact same thing I would have prescribed myself if I could just go to the pharmacy with a shopping list like an actual human being at a store
18:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 60 @ 0.4500035 = 27.0002 BTC [+] {4}
18:04 artifexd You're probably considerably better educated about pharmaceuticals than Joe Sixpack. He would end up killing himself or depleting the world wide oxycodone supply.
18:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.45 = 0.9 BTC [-]
18:05 Namworld Yeah, but they can't just let anyone order whatever. They can't make the difference between a junky, a hypochondriac and someone with a clue. Plus lawsuits and all that.
18:05 Namworld Plus even if you have a clue, might not always be right.
18:06 BingoBoingo What they need is an equivalent of Ham radio testing. Pass the exam, you can do your own damn primary care.
18:07 Namworld Two words: Medical. Bay.
18:07 BingoBoingo Someone abuses it an OD's their fault because they passed the test and should have known better.
18:07 Namworld You might have to wait a while for that tho.
18:07 bitcoinpete ha! havelock's first tweet since nov 1, 2013 is a pic of a fight they're sponsoring in panama
18:07 bitcoinpete https://twitter.com/Havelock_Inv/status/463437933865754624
18:07 ozbot Twitter / Havelock_Inv: http://t.co/aXZvjV0gUg
18:07 bitcoinpete muay thai!
18:08 artifexd ;;rate mod6 1 Perl programmer of atcbot repute.
18:08 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mod6 has changed from 1 to 1.
18:08 mike_c ;;rate mod6 1 doing good work with atcbot
18:08 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mod6 has been recorded.
18:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 22 @ 0.03202286 = 0.7045 BTC [-] {9}
18:10 mod6 thx guise
18:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 37 @ 0.06474168 = 2.3954 BTC [-]
18:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12258 @ 0.00084983 = 10.4172 BTC [-] {3}
18:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.145 BTC [+]
18:14 Naphex gn o/
18:17 Naphex http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/24st11/regarding_brain_wallets_why_not_store_salts_on/
18:17 ozbot Regarding brain wallets, why not store salts on the blockchain to prevent attacks? : Bitcoin
18:17 Naphex lol
18:17 Naphex user might be talking about bath salts ;]
18:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1577 @ 0.0008484 = 1.3379 BTC [-]
18:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.00085329 = 3.4558 BTC [+]
18:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0777799 = 0.1556 BTC [+]
18:41 BingoBoingo !t h COG
18:41 assbot I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who.
18:46 BingoBoingo jurov: Amazing how common these "rare" microbes are
18:48 mike_c oh wow, cog is gone too. that's SF2, neobbq, and cog in that last couple weeks.
18:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.00085521 = 14.8379 BTC [+] {2}
18:49 BingoBoingo mike_c: Yeah. It's hard telling what Havelock's thing is, but if S.Dice got MP a letter...
18:49 mike_c seriously
18:51 BingoBoingo !up Guest95361
18:51 assbot Voicing Guest95361 for 30 minutes.
18:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07778 = 0.4667 BTC [+]
18:51 Guest95361 Yeah, Havelock is going to do fine. They are not breaking any laws at all and I can confirm that much
18:52 Guest95361 And they have various "shit hits the fan" plans
18:52 BingoBoingo Guest15829: May I inquire your source or relation?
18:53 Guest95361 I would rather not say, thats really all the input I can give however they are licensed to accept public investment, and are breaking no laws in their jurisdiction
18:53 Guest95361 Obviously their "shit hits the fan" plans are not something anyone can really prove to you
18:54 BingoBoingo This is a common refrain, but an also common lack of disclosure and documentation (re: licenses and permits)
18:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07778 = 0.2333 BTC [+]
18:54 Guest95361 I can say with 100% certainty that they have them
18:55 BingoBoingo I mean mircea_popescu offers insight into his Shit Hits the Fan contingency plan publicly.
18:55 Guest95361 They seem to be very private people, however it certainly does exist
18:55 Naphex can you give an example? as guest?
18:55 jurov it isn't even clearly known *they* do exist
18:55 BingoBoingo ^
18:56 Naphex maybe they are terrible plans ;/
18:56 Guest95361 They are rather good plans, and I know that its not known. Its not my place to say
18:58 benkay who is this Guest95361 ?
18:58 Guest95361 One of the more underestimated members of the community
18:58 benkay community?
18:58 BingoBoingo benkay: They are some anon who Pm'd me for !up
18:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5885 @ 0.00085443 = 5.0283 BTC [-] {2}
18:59 benkay Guest95361: you understand why this is a weak play, right?
18:59 BingoBoingo benkay: Said they know something about havelock, Doesn't seem to be offering anything new.
18:59 jurov IP from the UK.. are you Nefario?
18:59 Guest95361 I have no financial incentive
18:59 Guest95361 And no, certainly not nefarious nefario
19:00 BingoBoingo jurov: BTCENTRALPLUS.COM to be precise
19:00 Guest95361 Crap, you just narrowed it down to 90% of the UK
19:00 BingoBoingo Eh
19:00 BingoBoingo a narrowing is a narrowing
19:00 Guest95361 True, with enough information...
19:01 Guest95361 Although then again you rely on the fact that I don't use a VPN for that part
19:01 BingoBoingo At least it suggests who you aren't
19:01 Guest95361 Very true
19:01 BingoBoingo For example probably not Panama
19:01 Guest95361 I'm not Mark Karpeles, I'll tell you that much
19:01 BingoBoingo Probably not Topace
19:01 Guest95361 It is rather hard to be an entire nation
19:02 BingoBoingo Guest95361: Didn't seem so hard for Mussolini or the Kims of Korea
19:02 Guest95361 That one I will grant you
19:02 jurov Guest95361 someday we'll maybe release our logs from coinroll listing negotiations...and there will be lulz
19:03 Guest95361 Anyhow, I am of no significance. I am off. Goodbye
19:03 Guest95361 !down Guest95361
19:04 BingoBoingo jurov: That will be an interesting day
19:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4418 @ 0.00085329 = 3.7698 BTC [-]
19:15 BingoBoingo If there's one thing I've learned from this recent medical chaos it is that I am not an alcoholic
19:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.03289644 = 0.3948 BTC [+] {2}
19:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]
19:18 BingoBoingo Haven't had a drink in days and no Delerium tremens
19:20 Duffer1 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=596740.0
19:20 ozbot [ActiveMining] Lawsuit - Shareholder Discussion
19:20 Duffer1 who could have possibly seen this coming
19:20 Duffer1 i think i just sprained an eyeball rolling them so hard
19:24 mike_c jurov, any reason not to release those docs?
19:25 jurov it's quite much, stretching for months, we're busy with other stuff
19:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07779665 = 0.9336 BTC [+] {4}
19:25 mike_c that is a good reason :) still, it would make quite a blog post.
19:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07798315 = 0.4679 BTC [+] {4}
19:26 BingoBoingo jurov: You just laid out a way to publish the stuff. Each month gets a post, one post per week.
19:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07814995 = 0.3126 BTC [+] {2}
19:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9134 @ 0.00085329 = 7.794 BTC [-]
19:28 jurov hehe they did not give me succinct summary like dotcoin did
19:29 BingoBoingo jurov: That's why you turn it into a serial.
19:30 jurov Part 1: In which Ivan from Havelock explains they are a platform for funding development of new projects exclusively
19:31 jurov Part 2: In which Ivan still does not understand what IPO stands for
19:31 jurov Part 3: In which we seek anyone other than
19:31 Duffer1 seems ipo = kickstarter in his mind
19:31 jurov Ivan, but in vain
19:32 BingoBoingo Maybe Havelock had the foresight to give you the anagram representative
19:32 jurov Part 4: In which the requirement to be incorporate and fill 1" thick questionnaire with corporate details comes to light
19:34 Duffer1 does panama not have brokerage regulation?
19:34 jurov Part 5: Exercise with signing offline wallet, in which Ivan does not understand why the funds were moved right after the signing
19:34 Duffer1 seems like an excercise in discovering how many laws he's breaking in different parts of the world would be an ammusing excercize
19:35 Duffer1 how many times can i spell excercize incorrectly in the same sentence
19:36 bitcoinpete http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/05/05/on-reusing-bitcoin-addresses/
19:36 ozbot On Reusing Bitcoin Addresses | When Bitcoin Met Pete
19:37 bitcoinpete on this topic, i won't pretend that i have it nailed down
19:38 bitcoinpete but i'm more clear than i was a week ago
19:40 bitcoinpete also: men wanted http://imgur.com/tqzYjn5
19:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00085708 = 8.0137 BTC [+]
19:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00085799 = 8.9231 BTC [+] {3}
19:49 jurov mike_c i commented on that
19:50 jurov er.. bitcoinpete, sry
19:51 bitcoinpete jurov: got it!
19:52 jurov oh, iot does not publish replies?
19:54 bitcoinpete jurov: just replied now http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/05/05/on-reusing-bitcoin-addresses/#comment-262
19:56 bitcoinpete since everything gets sloshed together in a reused address, the taint is less clearcut, as i understand it
19:57 dignork bitcoinpete: in case of "change address" there is a slight advantage: observer does not really knows which one of the destination addresses is change, and which is vendor
19:57 dignork bitcoinpete: but then if vendor only uses one addess it's easily discoverable
19:57 bitcoinpete dignork: the rounder, more even number is usually a bit of a giveaway
19:57 bitcoinpete that too
19:59 dignork bitcoinpete: last statement was actually against reusing
19:59 bitcoinpete http://imgur.com/R8kZ8JT <<Say 'eh'
19:59 ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer
20:00 jurov gets sloshed together in a reused address <<FALSE
20:00 jurov just try it yourself, again
20:00 BingoBoingo Oh, the local hospital's discharge papers now have all of the lab values.
20:00 jurov and analyze the resulting tx
20:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20320 @ 0.00085981 = 17.4713 BTC [+] {2}
20:09 bitcoinpete jurov dignork i think reusing does work, let's look at this address, which may or may not be mp's bitbet address: https://blockchain.info/address/1K4FswVNus5xJZJ6TYqAzWSy3tXBBFdGnM
20:10 jurov look here: https://blockchain.info/tx/35fd728c68e583ab4978e32f3fe373dffb800ad97b5b75410a5c0954848eb513
20:10 jurov 1K4F is named 4 times
20:10 jurov in inputs
20:11 jurov these did NOT get "sloshed" together
20:11 jurov if you send 1 satoshi million times onto one address
20:11 jurov to spend it, you then have to create tx with million inputs
20:12 jurov and every input will be traceable back to its source
20:12 bitcoinpete the source being the miner?
20:13 jurov no, i mean the address you sent these satoshis from in first place
20:13 bitcoinpete i'm starting to see what you're saying though
20:14 bitcoinpete ok
20:14 bitcoinpete i'm honestly reasonably confused.
20:15 bitcoinpete mostly as to what you're understanding that mp isn't
20:15 jurov look onto it this way: forget addresses, they're just a convenience for humans and are not strictly needed in the blockchain
20:16 jurov bitcoin transaction is just set of inputs and outputs
20:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26465 @ 0.00085452 = 22.6149 BTC [-] {2}
20:16 jurov every output is an input to another transaction and has unique ID
20:17 jurov they are unique regardless if they belongs to one address or not
20:18 jurov address does not have a balance, that is an illusion
20:19 jurov to get address' balance one has to traverse whole blockchain and collect its unspent outputs
20:20 jurov that's main reason why bitcoin full nodes are such hogs
20:20 BingoBoingo mod6: Oh yeah, that's some cool stuff atc bot does now
20:20 jurov and armory/electrum servers as well
20:20 bitcoinpete jurov: i'm with you
20:21 jurov any question?
20:22 bitcoinpete does it matter, then, whether addresses are reused or not?
20:22 artifexd jurov I disagree with your comment that there is no substantial difference between the two examples you provided. In the first case, there is no certainty whatsoever that the same entity controls the two different utxos. In the second case, it is certain that the same person controls both.
20:24 jurov bitcoinpete, maybe it matters, but definitely not for muddying
20:24 jurov artifexd: to create the final "spent" tx you need to know both privkeys
20:24 artifexd CoinJoin?
20:24 jurov unless some diffie-hellman magic can be applied to creating bitcoin txes
20:25 artifexd Maybe you and I get together and combine our funds to pay a common bill.
20:25 mod6 BingoBoingo: thx. just saw you were lookin for that one command a few days back. :]
20:25 BingoBoingo mod6: Ah, yeah.
20:26 jurov i don't know how coinjohn works, and if it is compatible with reusing addies
20:26 mod6 at some point, i'll be adding an block average time over a 24 hour interval too.
20:26 mod6 i'll work on that this week probably.
20:27 BingoBoingo That would be really sweet
20:27 jurov but if coinjohn is a thing, reusing addy definitely leaks more information about owner
20:28 artifexd Imagine a web service where you send it some txids and the necessary private keys along with a destination address. This service, when it gets a few requests, combines all the inputs and sends them to the outputs.
20:28 artifexd Note that I'm not saying this is a smart service to use, but its existence is theoretically possible.
20:28 jurov that's easy to do but you must consider the keys compromised
20:29 artifexd If you don't reuse addresses, it doesn't matter.
20:30 bitcoinpete to be continued, gents. thx for the… inputs
20:31 BingoBoingo %tslb
20:31 atcbot -22 hours -14 minutes and 32 seconds
20:31 artifexd OMG! Time warp attack!
20:31 BingoBoingo ^ mod6
20:33 mod6 arg!
20:34 mod6 lol.
20:34 mod6 ok
20:35 mod6 jeeze, 1 hour, 48 minutes since last block
20:35 BingoBoingo csshih: Did that thing get shipped yet?
20:36 csshih BingoBoingo, it's in outbound.. for some reason my employees didn't unlock the door so usps didn't pick up the package
20:37 csshih sorry =\
20:37 BingoBoingo csshih: Understandable. Just whip them everyday until they ship it.
20:38 BingoBoingo http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/05/05/a-pragmatic-test-for-alcoholism/
20:38 ozbot A Pragmatic Test for Alcoholism | Bingo Blog
20:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.00445451 = 0.1648 BTC [+]
20:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0327 = 0.1308 BTC [-]
20:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00085172 = 6.0472 BTC [-]
20:43 mod6 (17:43) < BitOTTer502> 1 hour 57 minutes and 19 seconds << ok think I have fix now, just testing
20:48 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
20:48 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 431.3, vol: 8191.75144828 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 422.99, vol: 2575.06688 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 431.21608, vol: 5414.51559226 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 431.0, vol: 18.18263857 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 424.96, vol: 968.84870000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 429.18, vol: 5.65738445 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 428.571013875, vol: 75.76310899 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
20:49 BingoBoingo ;;more
20:49 gribble 429.664043588
20:51 BingoBoingo http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/05/05/1923218/did-the-ignition-key-just-die
20:51 ozbot Did the Ignition Key Just Die? - Slashdot
20:53 BingoBoingo WTF, next do we get a button for brake and gas?
20:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [7C] 30 @ 0.00668166 = 0.2004 BTC [-] {2}
20:57 benkay i've always wanted to wire a ps2 controller into 'automatic' cars.
20:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.078519 = 0.157 BTC [+] {2}
20:57 benkay do away with the lie of manual operation in the damn things.
20:58 BingoBoingo Well, there aren't all to many cars that are completely "fly by wire"
20:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00084827 = 25.2784 BTC [-] {2}
20:59 benkay i'm enamored of this 04 civic. everything's manual.
20:59 BingoBoingo The gas pedal is almost always fly by wire now, but not so with the brake and steering.
20:59 benkay i mean the engine is computer controlled i assume, implying e-gas.
21:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.07852 = 2.3556 BTC [+] {2}
21:02 BingoBoingo benkay: Yeah, but the brake generally is the thing you more urgently need, and that usually still has a mechanical rather than electronic link
21:10 mod6 %tslb
21:10 atcbot 11 minutes and 41 seconds
21:10 mod6 let's see how this does.
21:11 mod6 it was time-warp time before because GMT went to 00:00 and the last block was in 22:00, forgot to solve for the 24hour roll-over case.
21:15 BingoBoingo Ah
21:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 250 @ 0.00052 = 0.13 BTC [-]
21:16 BingoBoingo I wonder how many of these little things, perfectly amusing in an IRC bot, occured in the goxfail and how many lurk in bitcoind 0.9
21:18 mod6 do you even unit test bro?
21:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 500 @ 0.00052 = 0.26 BTC [-]
21:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00085172 = 0.8517 BTC [+]
21:20 mod6 'tis a good question tho BingoBoingo
21:20 assbot [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 1000 @ 0.00021725 = 0.2173 BTC [+]
21:23 BingoBoingo mod6: It's stuff like this that will probably push me to full time OpenBSD use come November
21:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00085172 = 0.8517 BTC [+]
21:36 assbot [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 500 @ 0.00021725 = 0.1086 BTC [+]
21:39 mircea_popescu hai
21:41 mod6 BingoBoingo: sounds like a good route to go. why november?
21:41 mod6 hai mp
21:42 BingoBoingo mod6: That's when 5.6 comes out with their redone SSL libraries and stuff.
21:42 mod6 ahh, yeah, heard they were making SSH stand-alone from SSL/TLS
21:42 mod6 maybe it was you who posted the /. article lol
21:43 BingoBoingo mod6: Maybe. They already have a useful version of that. I'm more refering to their having a working LibreSSL package, their fork from OpenSSL
21:44 mod6 ah that. yeah, i recall.
21:46 mircea_popescu !jd mpif
21:46 assbot Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.73578786 BTC; -0.07750675 BTC (-0.0473%) since last check 10h 13m 54s ago.
21:46 mircea_popescu o noes
21:47 BingoBoingo !jd
21:47 assbot Just-Dice stat: 16702 BTC profit, 37.2k BTC invested, 1152.10 mio bets, 5.21 mio BTC wagered
21:48 BingoBoingo scam
21:49 mircea_popescu jurov: Death occurs in approximately 10% of cases. << wait srsly ?!
21:49 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Usually when they find that microbe they don't find it in the throat, but in the cerebrospinal fluid
21:49 mircea_popescu yeah. no clue how able it is to cross that barrier.
21:50 BingoBoingo Probably eats it's way across
21:50 BingoBoingo Or it waits for other injuries to the barrier
21:51 mircea_popescu davout: it's just in the continuation of debt money, it's not really a competitor to bitcoin in any way << logically, as the statists keep getting beaten out of things, they'll regroup around similar-looking, similar-sounding, different things. again and again and again.
21:51 mircea_popescu not like they'll just give up, roll over and die.
21:51 mircea_popescu much like scammers, which is what they are, the proponents of large welfarist government will simply have to keep trying to come back forevar.
21:52 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves: heh a major investor of Ripple is also one for Pando << you're starting to see why we want pando outcompeted :)
21:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: small summary: http://cryptome.org/nsa-tempest.htm << dja figure they'll be buing some cardanos ? :D
21:57 asciilifeform lol!
21:59 mircea_popescu it occurs to me the twitter superlative is "this left me speechless". sorta like bad kids threatening the world with going upstairs and cleanning out their room,
21:59 mircea_popescu twitterers threaten the world with shutting the fuck up
21:59 BingoBoingo speechless doesn't mean derpless
22:00 thestringpuller damn spent 4 hours on sim city
22:00 thestringpuller da fuq
22:00 thestringpuller need to stop this shit
22:00 asciilifeform re: 'prismicide' - mega-lol
22:00 asciilifeform 'for smartPnohes!'
22:01 asciilifeform 'based on DumbCards'
22:01 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo sadly.
22:02 mircea_popescu Alexandra Cavoulacos @acav Read this: "Acknowledging privilege is hard [...] It's easier to feel the victim than it is to feel like the bad guy."http://groupthink.jezebel.com/blabla
22:02 mircea_popescu Mircea Popescu @Mircea_Popescu @acav Being privileged is being the good guy. If the other guy weren't a lazy fuckwit, he'd be privileged too.
22:02 mircea_popescu aneurism ?
22:05 asciilifeform re: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=gjkivAf3 - if this were genuine, author would never offer it for public sale.
22:08 mircea_popescu haha why not ?
22:09 mircea_popescu "(Yes, we build honeypots rules for our exploits)" this seems weak. imagine the odds someone using it actually fell on a honeypot they ran.
22:09 asciilifeform because of 'lemon problem' (perhaps not the right term of art, but i can't think of the right one)
22:09 mircea_popescu there's what, roughly 1 bn machines on the net ?
22:09 asciilifeform there is no way for a buyer to determine that product is genuine prior to payment
22:09 mircea_popescu "We don't have access to exploit black markets and we are now happy to offering"
22:10 asciilifeform vulns are generally sold via trusted brokers, in ceremonies that put japanese tea ritual to shame.
22:10 mircea_popescu so a team advanced enough to have had a leet 0day for two years and enough honeypots to catch a 2nd team in time
22:10 mircea_popescu does not have access ?
22:10 asciilifeform this part is not outlandish. it is indeed possible to capture exploits this way.
22:10 asciilifeform no team needed, just 1 fellow with free time.
22:11 mircea_popescu no but listen.
22:11 mircea_popescu suppose at t1 you find this exploit.
22:11 mircea_popescu suppose you run 1k boxes as honeypots distributed all over the web.
22:11 mircea_popescu the average time for you to catch a 2nd team using your exploit would be, a decade to a century. and this only if they're clueless enough to go after random boxes.
22:12 mircea_popescu so practically, you'll catch the 100th team or so.
22:12 asciilifeform correct.
22:12 mircea_popescu at which point what you're selling is worthless by default.
22:12 asciilifeform notice that the advertisement does not label the product as '0day'
22:12 mircea_popescu but it WOULDN'T be woirthless today, which means, the proposed situation is unfactual.
22:12 mircea_popescu tries to sell it as if it were, irrelevant what wordage they use.
22:13 asciilifeform let's imagine it were worded differently. the fundamental problem of proof still applies.
22:13 mircea_popescu at least they had the decency to sort the coins in the relative order of probability of someone falling for it.
22:13 asciilifeform you can't test-drive an exploit, without possessing it.
22:13 mircea_popescu bitcoin last.
22:14 asciilifeform it is quite impossible to sell a vuln this way. other than to suckers, of course.
22:14 mircea_popescu http://valleywag.gawker.com/paypal-exec-goes-on-twitter-spree-insulting-coworkers-1571297209 << indian guy gets drunk
22:14 ozbot PayPal Exec Goes on Twitter Spree Insulting Coworkers
22:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah, in the end, interesting case study in nonsense. it's piled up quite exquisitely high.
22:16 asciilifeform http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2014/q2/247
22:16 ozbot oss-sec: Re: *Possible* ssh vulnerability
22:16 asciilifeform http://pastebin.com/qPxR9BRv
22:16 ozbot OpenSSL 1.0.1g - Private Exploit - Pastebin.com
22:16 asciilifeform ^ similar crap-artistry
22:16 mircea_popescu mike_c: well, didn't you hear? mp is extradited to antartica to face AEC security fraud charges. << no dude, i just had an argument with a bottle of wine and some lazagna.
22:18 asciilifeform anyone who is concerned about a hypothetical openssh apocalypse should consider 'port knocking.'
22:18 mircea_popescu pankkake: I guess that's the value of drama << asciilifeform check this out. the derpy openssh vulnerability ppl wanted 20 btc. the neobeeq drama was 80 btc.
22:19 mircea_popescu 4 ssh vulnerabilities!
22:19 asciilifeform 20 btc. cost of a well-worn toyota.
22:20 asciilifeform did the crapartist have no awareness of what serious 0days typically go for?
22:20 mircea_popescu mike_c: (i'm secretly hoping i'm not the worst in the channel at languages) << he's just speaking a secret italian nobody else knows about.
22:20 mircea_popescu asciilifeform well this one was used.
22:21 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: americans tend to have 'sore spot' about languages.
22:22 mircea_popescu mike_c: i don't even see how you can ponzi at 50% a month. that is insane. << actually romanian ponzi thing did 800% in 3 months. it paid out for a year and a half.
22:22 asciilifeform mmm!
22:23 mircea_popescu dude the fucking crown. this reminds me of the golden age of Bs, where all the shitty studios had names like MONARCH
22:23 mircea_popescu and EMPIRE w/e
22:23 asciilifeform (phunphact. first tv ad i ever saw was for the mmm parent company)
22:23 mircea_popescu wait it had a parent ?
22:24 mircea_popescu "The Forex Exchange market has become an up and coming method of financial trading. As an innovator and initiator in the online foreign exchange business, Rockwell Partners S.A. is a mover and a shaker and on the forefront of the online trading market."
22:24 asciilifeform it started as an importer of electronics, if i recall
22:24 mircea_popescu "have become an up and coming" da fuck is that word salad.
22:24 asciilifeform then sold foreign stocks, then moved into ponzimatics.
22:24 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ah this seems vaguely familiar.
22:25 asciilifeform obligatory:
22:25 asciilifeform https://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/Ponzi.HTM
22:25 asciilifeform (from the infamous prof. dutch)
22:26 asciilifeform ''Let's see, I'm wealthy and respected. What's missing? 'I know!' he shouts, slapping his forehead so hard he loses consciousness, 'I'll launch A Ponzi scheme. That way every day will tingle with the excitement of wondering whether my world will collapse in ruins and I'll be dragged off to prison while simultaneously being reviled by the whole world.''
22:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform your wish has been granted :
22:26 mircea_popescu https://bitcointa.lk/threads/rockwell-5th-s-bitcoin-miner.244982/
22:26 ozbot Rockwell 5TH/s Bitcoin Miner | Bitcointa.lk
22:26 mircea_popescu they also did electronics.
22:26 mircea_popescu "Here at Rockwell Automation's world headquarters, research has been proceeding to develop a line of automation products that establishes new standards for quality, technological leadership, and operating excellence. With customer success as our primary focus, work has been proceeding on the crudely conceived idea of an instrument that would not only provide inverse reactive current for use in unilateral phase detracto
22:26 mircea_popescu rs, but would also be capable of automatically synchronizing cardinal grammeters."
22:26 mircea_popescu volcanic erruptor, in january, nobody heard from it since.
22:26 asciilifeform lol
22:26 mircea_popescu except in march it's like a big wave.
22:27 mircea_popescu %t
22:27 atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 224 Last Price: 224 24h-Vol: 26k High: 225 Low: 224 VWAP: 224
22:28 mircea_popescu bounce: can someone please put the usg out of our misery? << oooonly yoooouuuu
22:28 asciilifeform taking pre-orders for improbably nice electronics is a good preliminary filter for a chumpatron.
22:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.00430531 = 0.1765 BTC [-] {5}
22:29 asciilifeform much like a high vacuum system, familiar to physics students, tends to start with a mechanical pump, then turns on ion-diffusion or other high vacuum source.
22:29 asciilifeform this is elementary chumpatronic engineering.
22:32 mircea_popescu mike_c "and a company that will probably be worth billions this time next year." well look, i like myself just as much as the next guy, but srsly, billions ? seems improbable.
22:32 mircea_popescu not that i didn;'t say roughly the same about 100s of millions a year ago, but still.
22:32 mike_c then it'll have to tank pretty hard given the btc appreciation that's going to happen
22:33 mike_c and it hasn't seemed to do so in previous bumps.
22:33 mike_c it'll be an interesting year
22:33 mircea_popescu i don't think your typical mpex holder has any interest in the bitcoin price of tyhe various fiats.
22:34 mircea_popescu i guess sure, if btc ends up 1 mn dollarts then mpex will be worth w/e, many trillions
22:34 mircea_popescu but this seems hardly a discussion of value and worth.
22:34 asciilifeform when that time comes, one ought to expect a lack of interest in how many $b something is worth
22:34 mike_c well, 3k BTC + 0.0005 mpex = billions
22:34 asciilifeform much as no one is excited to see themselves as a zimbabwe dollar billionaire
22:35 asciilifeform despite the fact that a great many people technically are.
22:35 mircea_popescu asciilifeform kinda my point. i don't really think btc went up in price 10x, or mpex foe that matter.
22:35 mike_c or, 0.007 i guess
22:35 mircea_popescu just, the dollar lost 90% of its value over 2 months
22:35 mircea_popescu not nearly as remarkable a feat.
22:36 asciilifeform much of the american financial apparatus is designed to paper over this fact
22:36 mircea_popescu so in a sense, mpex price has been more or less matching btc inflation.
22:36 asciilifeform but this is a secret from no one.
22:36 mircea_popescu which is... unremarkable i guess. like any huge old commodity business, a power company or w/e
22:37 mircea_popescu mike_c anyway, perhaps an even better link : http://trilema.com/2012/is-smpoe-really-worth-that-much/
22:38 mircea_popescu back then we were wtfing at "which would put S.MPOE somewhere around 8 million dollars, which would be excessive."
22:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07852 = 0.5496 BTC [+]
22:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21150 @ 0.00085368 = 18.0553 BTC [+] {2}
22:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4645 @ 0.00014351 = 0.6666 BTC [+] {2}
22:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00085392 = 24.5929 BTC [+]
22:55 mircea_popescu and since we're doing 2012, check out fucking 8ball action over here :
22:55 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/why-smpoe-is-worth-more-than-mtgox/
22:55 ozbot Why S.MPOE is worth more than MtGox pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
22:58 mike_c yeah, i've read those. i just find a tough stock as a potential investor.
22:59 mike_c but lots of people have done very well in it :)
23:00 mircea_popescu hey you know
23:00 mircea_popescu don't buy what you don't like, don't buy what you don't understand, don't buy what etc
23:00 mircea_popescu "others have done well" is always a poor argument.
23:00 mike_c that's what warren says
23:02 mircea_popescu in the words of this romanian rap band, "Am vazut cu ochii mei tovarasi cum se duc de rapa... bagat in vena, ma bucur ca am fost pe scena. Rand pe rand scandaluri, multi din ei s-au dus..."
23:02 mircea_popescu remarkably applicable.
23:15 mircea_popescu danielpbarron: I haven't seen you chat in here yet << no, he's been here before.
23:17 mircea_popescu " In the last few months, Mt.Gox collapsed, bitcoin has lost half of its value. "
23:17 mircea_popescu why is wired so fucking sutpid ?
23:18 mircea_popescu o fluffypony already covered it. kay. i subscribe.
23:19 mircea_popescu Naphex: cloudflare makes little sense to me << or to anyone whose brain works enough to power a goat.
23:22 mircea_popescu !up go1111111
23:22 assbot Voicing go1111111 for 30 minutes.
23:25 mircea_popescu mod6 %bal is cool.
23:25 mod6 :)
23:26 BingoBoingo %bal
23:26 mod6 needs addr
23:26 mircea_popescu %bal 1Cunts
23:26 atcbot [ATC Balance] Address: 1Cunts Balance: 0 Total Received: 0 Number TXs: 0 Confirmations: 2
23:26 mircea_popescu 2 confirms eh ?
23:26 mod6 huh that's weird.
23:27 mircea_popescu Naphex: and its unlikely for ssh to have /etc/shadow in memory << maybe in some weird case it could have it in child memory, which is the claim.
23:28 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo:
23:28 mircea_popescu The worst part is the prescribe the exact same thing I would have prescribed myself if I could just go to the pharmacy with a shopping list like an actual human being at a store << this is how i shop for medicine.
23:29 BingoBoingo I remember the good old days of the student health clinic where the meeting with the doctor was merely a formality.
23:29 mod6 oh huh, i'm adding on this "?confirmations=2" part to the end of the req.
23:29 BingoBoingo Mainstream us healthcare is the suck
23:30 mod6 thought it would filter out what doesn't have 2 conf's to that addr.
23:30 mircea_popescu "Guest95361: I can say with 100% certainty that they have them" lmao do these fuckwits even comprehend how this bitcoin thing works ?
23:33 mircea_popescu Duffer1 lulzy, all the ifs i nthat thread.
23:33 mod6 ok, i ripped that part out. will be less confusing without that in there.
23:35 mod6 %bal 1Cunts
23:35 atcbot [ATC Balance] Address: 1Cunts Balance: 0 Total Received: 0 Number TXs: 0
23:35 mod6 *shrug* ok
23:38 mod6 %diff
23:38 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 139713.06 in 1574 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -69.32
23:44 BingoBoingo %book
23:44 atcbot 42k@238 26k@225 5k@224 | 10k@195 90k@156 10k@155
23:45 mod6 hey! something that worked right!
23:45 mod6 lol
23:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07700508 = 1.5401 BTC [-] {3}
23:47 decimation http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/a-reporter-a-reddit-founder-a-lawyer-and-an-ex-nsa-chief-walk-into-a-debate/ more lulz
23:47 ozbot A reporter, a reddit founder, a lawyer, and an ex-NSA chief walk into a debate | Ars Technica
23:52 BingoBoingo !up MykelSIlver
23:52 assbot Voicing MykelSIlver for 30 minutes.
23:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.07705863 = 1.0788 BTC [+] {5}
23:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0322001 = 0.1932 BTC [-] {2}
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