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00:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4750001 BTC [-]
00:04	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00096877 = 8.5252 BTC [-] {2}
00:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.000969 = 5.9594 BTC [+]
00:12	TheNewDeal	.d
00:12	ozbot	8.001 billion | Next Diff in 1366 blocks | Estimated Change: 6.9161% in 8d 19h 34m 31s
00:16	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8441 @ 0.00096853 = 8.1754 BTC [-] {2}
00:17	TheNewDeal	anyone know if http://bitbet.us/stats/1K4FswVNus5xJZJ6TYqAzWSy3tXBBFdGnM/ is a bitbet house address?
00:17	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6659 @ 0.00096445 = 6.4223 BTC [-] {2}
00:21	BingoBoingo	TheNewDeal: I think Mircea claimed that one in Channel as one of his personal betting addresses.
00:21	TheNewDeal	damn
00:23	TheNewDeal	they bet 57 yes to 42 no on 1 BTC >= $10,000 USD before Novermber 29th, 2014
00:24	BingoBoingo	TheNewDeal: I think he does that on some bets to get the bets started at roughly correct odds and to encourage action on them.
00:24	TheNewDeal	roughly correct odds?!?!
00:25	TheNewDeal	i guess it was skyrocketing in price at the time
00:25	BingoBoingo	Well, no one knows what exact odds are going to be when these open, and events move odds over time.
00:25	BingoBoingo	But yeah, twas skyrocketing.
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02:45	decimation	the mice are debating whether a bell ought to be affixed to the cat: http://boingboing.net/2014/05/03/glenn-greenwald-and-michael-ha.html
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03:40	mircea_popescu	!up arsenische
03:40	assbot	Voicing arsenische for 30 minutes.
03:40	mircea_popescu	hey there.
03:41	arsenische	mircea_popescu: hi
03:42	mircea_popescu	so i see you've dropped that notion that advertisers should follow the publishers and evaluate them one by one
03:42	mircea_popescu	which is a move towards sanity.
03:43	arsenische	yes, there should be some other way to do it
03:43	mircea_popescu	ok. what are your plans with the thing currently ?
03:49	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18021 @ 0.00083899 = 15.1194 BTC [-] {2}
03:50	arsenische	there is much work to be done. we need to find a solution for better ad unit classification and evaluation. improve accounting and statistics for advertisers.
03:51	mircea_popescu	currently, what's your revenue model ? you charge advertisers a % ? how much ?
03:53	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00083874 = 6.8777 BTC [-] {2}
03:53	fluffypony	won't that lead to an environment where advertisers cherry-pick only the especially large publishers and ignore all the little ones?
03:54	mircea_popescu	no, because advertisers can't possibly be arsed to do that.
03:54	fluffypony	well that's the other thing
03:54	fluffypony	were I an advertiser I'd maybe do that the first time round
03:55	mircea_popescu	that's the main thing :p
03:55	fluffypony	then be too lazy afterwards
03:55	fluffypony	unless you made it REALLY easy with categories
03:55	mircea_popescu	arsenische ?
03:56	fluffypony	lol
03:56	punkman	you want to make money rapping, better not talk like a fag: http://rappers.mdaniels.com.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/
03:56	arsenische	sorry, I have poor connection
03:56	fluffypony	Wu-Tang up front? nice
03:56	mircea_popescu	punkman is there such a thing as fagrap ? i mean there's everything else, some chick introduced me to her christian rap brother.
03:56	arsenische	Twenty percent of all monies paid by advertisers will be considered AnonymousAds fees.
03:57	mircea_popescu	arsenische okay, i have a proposition for you. it goes like this :
03:57	arsenische	(that was a quote from https://a-ads.com/terms_of_service)
03:58	mircea_popescu	1. you get in the wot, we go partners in yoru anon ads service, work it pretty much on the bitbet model. it can be listed on mpex.
03:58	mircea_popescu	2. we kick out all the current publishers. we require all publishers to come here and have their platform approved to be added to a-a.
03:59	mircea_popescu	we'll be insanely picky, in that, only actual blogs carrying actual interesting material written by interestin people will be accepted. jurov's thing may not make the cut even.
04:00	punkman	mircea_popescu: there is indeed fagrap, for instance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soce,_the_elemental_wizard
04:01	mircea_popescu	punkman nuts.
04:03	arsenische	mircea_popescu: sorry, what is bitbet model?
04:04	mircea_popescu	arsenische kakobrekla did the coding and maintains the codebase, he gets a signed list of bitcoin addresses to use whenever needed. i keep the books, and generally handle the business side for it.
04:05	mircea_popescu	http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.BBET << that is the contract, if you've never read it
04:05	ozbot	S.BBET last 37@0.00054000
04:05	mircea_popescu	!jd mpif
04:05	assbot	Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.82465569 BTC; -0.00924977 BTC (-0.0056%) since last check 6h 32m 21s ago.
04:07	mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bmwy5O7CYAA94Si.jpg lol
04:07	punkman	hah
04:08	mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmvmpI5IIAEq6LO.jpg:large how hot is this chick, esteemed chan ? on a 1 to 10 scale. ty.
04:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 30 @ 0.00717322 = 0.2152 BTC [-] {2}
04:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 20 @ 0.00717335 = 0.1435 BTC [+]
04:10	mircea_popescu	!up arsenische
04:10	assbot	Voicing arsenische for 30 minutes.
04:10	punkman	hmm 8 or 9, let's say 8.5
04:11	fluffypony	7 tops
04:12	mircea_popescu	if i get 5 votes ima share my own.
04:12	mircea_popescu	!up JoshG
04:12	assbot	Voicing JoshG for 30 minutes.
04:12	mircea_popescu	JoshG you there ?
04:12	JoshG	sup
04:13	mircea_popescu	you the arcemu guy ?
04:13	JoshG	Apepars that way :p
04:13	JoshG	appears* ah
04:13	mircea_popescu	;;ident JoshG
04:13	gribble	Nick 'JoshG', with hostmask 'JoshG!~hasbro@arcemu/staff/hasbro', is not identified.
04:13	mircea_popescu	get in the wot i'll give you a rating.
04:13	JoshG	wot?
04:14	mircea_popescu	yes, the web of trust. this thing :
04:14	mircea_popescu	;;gettrust Hasbro
04:14	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user Hasbro: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=Hasbro | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Hasbro | Rated since: never
04:14	arsenische	I appreciate your suggestion to focus on the most valuable publishers and get rid of all the trash. But... won't it be difficult to maintain a binary approach (accept/reject)? Maybe we could just evaluate ad units to have some "quality" attribute, and allow advetisers to set the theshold for their campaigns.
04:14	mircea_popescu	arsenische nah, because your thing exists to serve the advertiser, and the advertiser needs to have an absolute he can rely on.
04:15	mircea_popescu	showing 1mn impressions/10k clicks a day when he knows it's all bots is worth 0 to anyone.
04:15	Hasbro	How do I “get in” ?
04:15	mircea_popescu	arsenische anyway, it's a big move, feel free to think it through, ask any questions. no pressure.
04:15	Hasbro	;;rate
04:15	gribble	(rate <nick> <rating> [<notes>]) -- Enters a rating for <nick> in the amount of <rating>. Use optional <notes> field to enter any notes you have about this user. <nick> must be the user's GPG-registered username, Your previously existing rating, if any, will be overwritten.
04:15	mircea_popescu	well... no pressure other than the fact that obviously i want something like this, so if you pass i'll just have someone write a ocmpetitor.
04:16	fluffypony	Hasbro: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Beginners_Guide
04:16	mircea_popescu	Hasbro http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication
04:16	Hasbro	too fancy for me
04:16	arsenische	mircea_popescu: I will, thank you
04:16	mircea_popescu	either.
04:16	Hasbro	dcc me all your bitcodes
04:17	Hasbro	I’ll be here, ty
04:17	mircea_popescu	Hasbro lol take the advice of strangers, it's the best kind of advice you'll ever get. you wanna be in that thing.
04:17	fluffypony	lol dcc...that was THE WAY to get warez back in the days
04:17	Hasbro	mircea_popescu: trusting me would be a very bad idea
04:18	mircea_popescu	orly?
04:18	Hasbro	depends, asl?
04:19	mircea_popescu	i'm old and male.
04:20	punkman	mircea_popescu: this might be of interest http://decknetwork.net/
04:20	Hasbro	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zvGRNu08B4
04:20	ozbot	ytcracker - Warez Loder - YouTube
04:21	mircea_popescu	punkman by no means a novel concept, being picky.
04:22	mircea_popescu	heck, i've been picky all my life to surprisingly positive results. i'm not even fat.
04:22	punkman	rather rare in the online advertising biz though
04:22	mircea_popescu	so is making money.
04:23	mircea_popescu	you know, it's not just the bitcoin forum that works on the "least value is most visible" principle.
04:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2378 @ 0.00084091 = 1.9997 BTC [+]
04:26	bounce	"back in the day" for me is tape swapping, as dcc just wasn't fast enough
04:26	mircea_popescu	"back in the day" for me is plugging z80s into the tv
04:27	mircea_popescu	because the romanians actually broadcast stolen code over tv.
04:27	*	bounce heard the programs flowing through the air too. radio though, and not stolen of course. because civilised and all that. yeah.
04:28	mircea_popescu	fuck you and your civilised moms :D
04:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10463 @ 0.00084516 = 8.8429 BTC [+]
04:29	bounce	still have a book with bunches of hexencoded code printed, for you to type over. I perhaps should scan the thing, then see if I can't OCR and put it in an emulator.
04:30	fluffypony	I think I still have my C64 code book
04:30	fluffypony	with handwritten snippets at the back
04:30	mircea_popescu	bounce first blogpost!
04:30	bounce	o_O?
04:30	mircea_popescu	scan it, post it.
04:31	bounce	heh, right. I got plenty original material to post, just can't be arsed to find a place to post it, then post it.
04:31	mircea_popescu	well what if i told you there;s going to be a marvelous ad network, allowing ytou to make entire pennies each day!
04:32	bounce	ZOMG GOTTA GIT ON DAT GRAVVY TRAIN
04:32	fluffypony	s/pennies/satoshis
04:34	bounce	here's an idea: shared webhosting for satoshis. 10000 websites hosted on an aws micro.
04:34	mircea_popescu	yeah dude, totally.
04:34	mircea_popescu	and if i wanna punish someone, but i mean, REALLY punish them
04:34	mircea_popescu	i give them one week tech support on that line.
04:35	bounce	static only content only, obviously. I'd set it up if aws let me sign up (which they don't--need phone and cc and then the derping really starts. what do they want now, my first born?)
04:35	mircea_popescu	prolly work as abortifacient too
04:36	mircea_popescu	i used to have a first born
04:36	mircea_popescu	but then i signed up for an aws micro
04:37	bounce	as long as it's cheap, eh
04:41	mircea_popescu	hey, what terminally ill gpg implementation do osx folks use ?
04:41	mircea_popescu	i keep forgetting
04:41	fluffypony	standard gpg
04:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC [+]
04:42	fluffypony	http://brew.sh + brew install gpg
04:42	mircea_popescu	ty
04:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00084824 = 5.0046 BTC [+]
04:43	mircea_popescu	!up Hasbro
04:43	assbot	Voicing Hasbro for 30 minutes.
04:44	Hasbro	gpg eregister
04:44	Hasbro	how do I send that
04:44	mircea_popescu	;;gpg eregister
04:44	gribble	(gpg eregister <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your (1 more message)
04:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2121 @ 0.00084824 = 1.7991 BTC [+]
04:56	mircea_popescu	punkman so i checked two sites randomly from those deck guys. one doesn't load at all (http://www.yayhooray.com/) the other does not show the ads (http://butdoesitfloat.com/)
04:56	mircea_popescu	at 9k per month for a spot in a rotation, this is NOT being picky.
04:57	punkman	maybe nobody has bought ads on that
04:58	mircea_popescu	i could see why not.
04:58	punkman	no, it has ads, you just need more JS
04:59	mircea_popescu	lolk.
05:00	mircea_popescu	;;ident Hasbro
05:00	gribble	Nick 'Hasbro', with hostmask 'Hasbro!~hasbro@arcemu/staff/hasbro', is identified as user 'Hasbro', with GPG key id 51D245C43C2D4FA1, key fingerprint 6BEB20114F1E24F9029A1CDE51D245C43C2D4FA1, and bitcoin address None
05:00	mircea_popescu	;;rate Hasbro 1 ArcEmu guy.
05:00	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Hasbro has been recorded.
05:00	Hasbro	tyvm
05:00	Hasbro	<3
05:00	mircea_popescu	Hasbro now you can voice yourself here. reg with gribble and then pm assbot !up
05:01	mircea_popescu	http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/world_news/Ukraine/article1407120.ece
05:02	Hasbro	I think I am registered with gribble
05:02	BigBitz	;;gpg info Hasbro
05:02	gribble	User 'Hasbro', with keyid 51D245C43C2D4FA1, fingerprint 6BEB20114F1E24F9029A1CDE51D245C43C2D4FA1, and bitcoin address None, registered on Sun May 4 04:59:28 2014, last authed on Sun May 4 04:59:28 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=Hasbro . Currently authenticated from hostmask Hasbro!~hasbro@arcemu/staff/hasbro .
05:02	mircea_popescu	you are, yes.
05:02	BigBitz	you're authed, also.
05:02	mircea_popescu	it expires your session if you ever blink (ie, if it doesn' see you)
05:03	Hasbro	damn so now you and LE have my fingerprint :/
05:03	mircea_popescu	your gpg fingerprint ?
05:03	mircea_popescu	that's an arbitrary string, you can make as many as you want.
05:03	BigBitz	That's public anyway, Hasbro :)
05:03	Hasbro	nu uh
05:03	BigBitz	if you load it to keyservers... yes :)
05:04	mircea_popescu	kinda why they're called public keys. to be public.
05:04	BigBitz	Public Keys mean........ public.
05:04	Hasbro	I’m just kiddin'
05:04	mircea_popescu	nu uh
05:04	BigBitz	YOU BETTER BE!
05:04	mircea_popescu	BigBitz mac ppl. what do they know of lulz.
05:04	*	BigBitz uses Mac :)
05:05	mircea_popescu	conspiraci
05:05	BigBitz	perhaps I just validated your point :>
05:05	mircea_popescu	lmao
05:05	Hasbro	lol
05:05	mircea_popescu	self validating point is self validating itself
05:05	*	bounce didn't use gpg key exactly because key servers
05:05	BigBitz	hehe
05:05	Hasbro	what’s wrong with key servers
05:05	BigBitz	bounce uploaded his private key :/
05:05	BigBitz	UH OH SPEGGAHITO.
05:05	mircea_popescu	key servers killed my auntie
05:05	Hasbro	lol
05:06	BigBitz	public flogging, mircea_popescu?
05:06	mircea_popescu	this is how we know the earth to be banana shaped
05:07	Hasbro	http://instagram.com/syndicatesbabes
05:07	ozbot	Instagram
05:08	mircea_popescu	.d
05:08	ozbot	8.001 billion | Next Diff in 1335 blocks | Estimated Change: 6.7080% in 8d 15h 20m 44s
05:08	mircea_popescu	.bait
05:08	ozbot	http://37.media.tumblr.com/7f6bd0e4c2224bc96384f6a120d5985a/tumblr_n2ewzy5HMs1rphicao1_1280.jpg
05:08	mircea_popescu	wow a bait that didn't suck.
05:08	Hasbro	.bait
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05:08	ozbot	http://31.media.tumblr.com/d7417703d56cab2d50870dcc0e16aed4/tumblr_mxzmlyZA7N1qe1pp3o1_1280.jpg
05:08	Hasbro	can’t fap to that
05:09	fluffypony	BigBitz sup
05:10	Naphex	morning
05:10	mircea_popescu	hola
05:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.076 = 0.228 BTC [-]
05:11	BigBitz	fluffypony not much bro.
05:12	BigBitz	sup with you ?
05:12	fluffypony	busy busy
05:12	BigBitz	counting all your money?
05:12	BigBitz	or is that just mircea_popescu ?
05:12	fluffypony	lol
05:13	mircea_popescu	im counting the money, he's cunting the blondies, we got a whole system
05:13	fluffypony	"cunting the blondies"
05:13	fluffypony	sounds about right
05:13	BigBitz	how do I get involved in this counting and cunting action?
05:13	Naphex	so localbitcoins got bit?;o
05:13	BigBitz	with preference to the cunting...
05:14	Naphex	what is it with people not securing their bootloader and datacenters
05:14	Naphex	just rebooting servers trolol
05:14	BigBitz	Naphex LBC has been bit a few times. I prevented their last big one.
05:14	BigBitz	Naphex fools be foolin'
05:14	mircea_popescu	Naphex yes. best part about it is the "everything's safe, we got wiped."
05:14	fluffypony	Naphex: it's also really shitty on the DC's part
05:14	BigBitz	the time the guy got away with 80BTC I found it and alerted jeramis before they lost a lot of their BTC.
05:14	BigBitz	so simple...
05:14	BigBitz	ENFORCE MFA FOR WITHDRAW, PLOX.
05:14	mircea_popescu	BigBitz what, you host ?
05:15	BigBitz	mircea_popescu no.
05:15	BigBitz	I secure.
05:15	BigBitz	DoctorBTC in -otc was talking/asking about image related malware.
05:15	BigBitz	I got interested...
05:15	BigBitz	He told me someone was stealing BTC from LBC using image based malware.
05:16	BingoBoingo	Oh, a-ads might do something?
05:16	BigBitz	they weren't.
05:16	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo up to arsenische atm.
05:16	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Interesting.
05:16	mircea_popescu	BigBitz what i don't get is, why the fuck would local bitcoins hold any bitcoins. just run it like craigslist, what do you want to hold on to the risk for.
05:16	BigBitz	enforced escrow.
05:17	BigBitz	makes sense; if you can secure your shit.
05:17	mircea_popescu	fuck that. it's nonsense. you can't enforce escrow.
05:17	BigBitz	adds some validitity to the trade.
05:17	BigBitz	mircea_popescu enforced in the sense it must be filled before it can be traded.
05:17	BigBitz	proof, at least, there is bitcoin available.
05:17	mircea_popescu	yes ok. but that can be done many other (better) ways
05:17	mircea_popescu	and isn't actually escrow
05:17	BigBitz	Yup.
05:17	BigBitz	I'm aware :)
05:17	mircea_popescu	so you know, they just eat a pie of risk for no upside.
05:18	mircea_popescu	but then again... hey. business isn't a skill we're born with.
05:18	BigBitz	speak to jereamis I think he's seen enough upside ;)
05:18	BigBitz	business acumen isn't rife in Bitcoin land.
05:18	mircea_popescu	as they say, the best way to sink a good team with a good idea is a bad revenue stream.
05:19	mircea_popescu	BigBitz in fact, local bitcoins could just verify a btc address signature, for the same effects, not having to hold any btc in the process.
05:19	cazalla	mircea_popescu: going back to KLYE discussion earlier - do you think there is a market for insex type content + bitcoin?
05:19	BigBitz	sure but that's as worthwhile as saying "here it is" then moving it instantly.
05:19	mircea_popescu	cazalla only for people who actually control a harem of willing babes.
05:20	BigBitz	someone hit up Dan BIlaizare.
05:20	punkman	did KLYE deliver the harem pic?
05:20	mircea_popescu	BigBitz not exactly different in effect than the pseudo-escrow.
05:20	mircea_popescu	punkman nah.
05:20	BigBitz	mircea_popescu it's not quite pseudo -- they get the coin.
05:20	BigBitz	IT's the release actions which have had flaws.
05:20	mircea_popescu	BigBitz someone explained in here why this model is very vulnerable irl.
05:21	mircea_popescu	"cams will see the person leave with their own item" sort of thing.
05:21	BigBitz	coz ppl b stuped.
05:22	BingoBoingo	arsenische: Oh, you run a-ads?
05:23	mircea_popescu	BigBitz also, kinda trivial to verify address has been meanwhile emptied, doesn't show so good on the proposed seller.
05:26	mircea_popescu	lol all these fucktards spending on google ads for "bitcoin" for their shitty fiat scams. "Bitcoin - Welcome Bonus, 1:10, Starting 100 €"
05:26	BigBitz	lol
05:26	BigBitz	The world is still full of stupid people who don't know Bitcoin from sand.
05:27	mircea_popescu	so you're saying that the notion that someone googling bitcoin would actually fall for the most tired webscams is not exactly without basis ?
05:27	BigBitz	education isn't exactly non-existant but "MAKE DEM QUICK BUCKS"
05:28	BigBitz	I'm saying some people think they can have their cake and eat it. for free.
05:29	mircea_popescu	welll... they can definitely... eat it.
05:29	BigBitz	:)
05:29	BingoBoingo	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eil5FNfQGfY
05:29	ozbot	Lil Debbie - BAKE A CAKE - Official Video - YouTube
05:29	mircea_popescu	http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/05/03/facebook-twists-reality-again-and-risks-ruining-your-children/
05:30	mircea_popescu	fox news hating on oculus rift.
05:30	BigBitz	Fox News Hating.
05:30	mircea_popescu	"there is no fda in the tech space!!!11"
05:30	BigBitz	You need no further words, generally.
05:30	mircea_popescu	"think of the children!!!1"
05:30	BigBitz	oneEleveN
05:30	mircea_popescu	"Zuckerberg’s obvious theory (given that he expresses no conscious desire to do harm) is that Facebook and the Oculus VR are good businesses and good ways to communicate and have fun. My theory is that Facebook is an addictive technological drug that, like every drug, gives people temporary pleasure and, ultimately, causes many people to become psychiatrically ill."
05:31	mircea_popescu	right. because doctor a-blow is now allowed to put his opinions on the same table.
05:31	BigBitz	:|
05:31	mircea_popescu	"We are deploying powerful technology drugs to our young people"
05:31	BigBitz	"DRUGS ARE GOOD. From Facebook"
05:31	mircea_popescu	we. you know, doctor a-blow is... somehow, don't ask how, part of all this.
05:31	mircea_popescu	he like knows and shit. he's like invented google, he's in this tech thing. we.
05:32	BigBitz	mircea_popescu I get the impression I don't even need to be here for you to converse...
05:32	mircea_popescu	"Dr. Keith Ablow is a psychiatrist and member of the Fox News Medical A-Team." unintentional irony ftw.
05:32	mircea_popescu	BigBitz well atm i was ranting
05:32	BigBitz	:)
05:33	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo damn that short ugly thing's voice is annoying.
05:33	Naphex	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-03/obama-administration-launches-plan-make-internet-id-reality
05:33	ozbot	Obama Administration Launches Plan To Make An "Internet ID" A Reality | Zero Hedge
05:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07616666 = 0.2285 BTC [+] {2}
05:34	mircea_popescu	Naphex i gues they never heard of gpg still huh.
05:34	Naphex	hehe prolly
05:34	Naphex	they are going for x509 certificates
05:34	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: See, When you complain about us getting Britney Spears... Those were the bad, but not so bad days. Now we have those things.
05:35	mircea_popescu	ikr.
05:36	mircea_popescu	Naphex so they're going to pay anoither 50 bn or w/e obamacare.com cost, to have someone make them a https site ?
05:37	mircea_popescu	!up arsenische
05:37	assbot	Voicing arsenische for 30 minutes.
05:37	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo you nut, i just realised you were asking the guy questions he had no voice.
05:37	BigBitz	!up mircea_popescu
05:37	assbot	Voicing mircea_popescu without time-limit.
05:37	BigBitz	w00t
05:37	mircea_popescu	!up urmom
05:37	assbot	Voicing urmom for 30 minutes.
05:37	mircea_popescu	should be enough for her.
05:37	BigBitz	Doubtful.
05:37	BigBitz	She's a go-er.
05:37	mircea_popescu	lmao
05:37	BigBitz	She'll fuck you, probably.
05:37	mircea_popescu	a wink's as good as a nudge.
05:42	assbot	[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 1094 @ 0.00325487 = 3.5608 BTC [+]
05:44	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00084767 = 8.5615 BTC [-]
05:47	Naphex	<+mircea_popescu> Naphex so they're going to pay anoither 50 bn or w/e obamacare.com cost, to have someone make them a https site ?
05:47	Naphex	probably
05:47	Naphex	thats how they do all gov eauctions everywhere
05:47	Naphex	with x509 and https
05:48	Naphex	and ofcourse all platforms are shitty, expensive, horrible
05:48	BingoBoingo	Don't forget the key escrow
05:51	mircea_popescu	Naphex what i mean is, technically speaking any https site satisfies the "it uses x509" criterion. and so, a contractor could in principle slap a lamp on a box, draw up 3 pages and there you go, invoice for 50 billion.
05:51	mircea_popescu	not that this isn't how it'll end up working
05:51	Naphex	well it will have specs attached
05:52	Naphex	but it will most likely use x509 certificates, and "ssl authentication"
05:52	Naphex	you gotta have that certificate imported and loaded to log in
05:52	Naphex	so thats what your gov id will be
05:55	Naphex	and most likely use adobe with x509 to sign/encrypt send pdf documents
05:55	Naphex	:))
05:57	Naphex	https://www.e-licitatie.ro/Public/Common/Content.aspx?f=PublicHomePage is a famous case i think ;]
05:58	Naphex	i think that 'portal' - thats what they call shitty webapps that cost hundreds of milions
05:58	Naphex	went for around 30, 40 mil eur
05:59	Naphex	so you get that web app, with x509 certificates/documents and thats bout it
06:00	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00084529 = 2.5781 BTC [-]
06:02	mircea_popescu	Naphex which is why it sucks being the government.
06:02	mircea_popescu	you're like that stupid kid everyone beats up and takes lunch money from. even the girls.
06:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 534 @ 0.00019097 = 0.102 BTC [-] {3}
06:09	Naphex	well imo
06:09	Naphex	the thing is, you can drag gov auctions forever
06:09	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5657 @ 0.00084519 = 4.7812 BTC [-] {2}
06:09	Naphex	so a lot of companies will just price that in their bid, pushing it up
06:11	Naphex	a lot of other fun stuff like corruption, inside deals, and pref specs go on as well
06:11	Naphex	which will just add up
06:13	Naphex	also companies have to finance most up front, then wait for gov money
06:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2525 @ 0.0001852 = 0.4676 BTC [-] {11}
06:19	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00084787 = 6.7406 BTC [+] {3}
06:22	Hasbro	you know it’s early am when I’m reading hair dying techniques at 622am
06:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1972 @ 0.00018138 = 0.3577 BTC [-] {6}
06:28	fluffypony	Hasbro: hair chalk is the solution
06:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]
06:55	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00084516 = 12.9732 BTC [-]
07:01	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3251 @ 0.00084927 = 2.761 BTC [+]
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07:16	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3407 @ 0.00084516 = 2.8795 BTC [-]
07:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.1405 BTC [+]
07:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 298 @ 0.00084516 = 0.2519 BTC [-]
07:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00084434 = 7.8524 BTC [-] {2}
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07:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0319899 = 0.2559 BTC [+]
07:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13350 @ 0.00084933 = 11.3386 BTC [+] {2}
08:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 38 @ 0.00630004 = 0.2394 BTC [-] {2}
08:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00084855 = 7.9339 BTC [-]
08:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00084854 = 5.1761 BTC [-]
08:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3500 @ 0.00014841 = 0.5194 BTC [-] {3}
08:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07502107 = 0.9003 BTC [-] {3}
08:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.06474168 = 0.4532 BTC [-]
08:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0750977 = 1.502 BTC [+] {3}
08:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 907 @ 0.00084854 = 0.7696 BTC [-]
08:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [-] {2}
08:24	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21849 @ 0.00084331 = 18.4255 BTC [-]
08:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00084468 = 2.9564 BTC [+]
08:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07271111 = 0.1454 BTC [-] {2}
08:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00084275 = 11.04 BTC [-] {2}
08:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00084468 = 3.3787 BTC [+]
08:38	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2024 @ 0.00084115 = 1.7025 BTC [-]
08:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00084384 = 8.1009 BTC [+] {2}
08:50	FabianB	!t m S.MPOE
08:50	assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00083786 / 0.00091525 / 0.00097187 (488970 shares, 447.53 BTC), 7D: 0.00083786 / 0.00096558 / 0.00098485 (5245781 shares, 5,065.24 BTC), 30D: 0.00083786 / 0.00096921 / 0.00101 (19564348 shares, 18,962.04 BTC)
09:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48322048 BTC [+]
09:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.0319899 = 0.3839 BTC [+]
09:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4678 @ 0.00084265 = 3.9419 BTC [-] {2}
09:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1495 @ 0.00014824 = 0.2216 BTC [-]
09:15	kakobrekla	!up PsychoticBoy
09:15	assbot	Voicing PsychoticBoy for 30 minutes.
09:19	kakobrekla	!jd mpif
09:19	assbot	Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.83914054 BTC; +0.01448485 BTC (+0.0088%) since last check 5h 14m 6s ago.
09:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00084728 = 3.9822 BTC [+]
09:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00084728 = 8.3033 BTC [+]
09:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2313 @ 0.00084182 = 1.9471 BTC [-] {2}
09:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.475 = 2.85 BTC [-]
09:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07502333 = 0.4501 BTC [+] {3}
09:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.075101 = 0.3004 BTC [+]
09:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1942 BTC [-]
09:52	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.00084129 = 11.6519 BTC [-] {2}
09:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.075101 = 1.2016 BTC [+]
10:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.075101 = 0.751 BTC [+]
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10:24	ThickAsThieves	look at this bullshit https://twitter.com/TheRealAltcoin/status/462960434652667905
10:24	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9676 @ 0.00084635 = 8.1893 BTC [+] {2}
10:24	ThickAsThieves	she's "Director of Public Affairs" for BTCFoundation
10:26	ThickAsThieves	jurov has a blog?
10:27	BigBitz	Still...
10:27	BigBitz	you'd fuck her.
10:28	fluffypony	"Happily married // Committed to ever after // Champion for innovative technology & policies that empower people // Director of Public Affairs"
10:28	ThickAsThieves	lol, she leads her twitter description with
10:28	fluffypony	lawlz.
10:28	ThickAsThieves	you beat me to it
10:28	BigBitz	:)
10:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.0008466 = 6.9421 BTC [+]
10:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1400 @ 0.00014888 = 0.2084 BTC [-]
10:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1942 BTC [-]
10:32	pankkake	jurov's blog is http://explo.yt/
10:43	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves lol.
10:43	mircea_popescu	lying is a scammer's true nature.
10:45	ThickAsThieves	oh yeah i forgot jurov had a blog cuz i filed it under MPEx tutorials
10:48	mircea_popescu	since when is the alleged foundation supporting ripple anyway
10:49	ThickAsThieves	surely they are plutonium level members
10:49	mircea_popescu	so ?
10:49	ThickAsThieves	pay to play
10:49	mircea_popescu	what, if bin laden becomes a tritium level member they're going to support bombing tall ny buildings ?
10:50	asciilifeform	osmium level.
10:50	ThickAsThieves	i thought you supported no-moderation advertising?!
10:50	ThickAsThieves	speaking of which, i wanna serve bitbet mike_c dynamic ads
10:50	ThickAsThieves	halp
10:51	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves srsly.
10:51	ThickAsThieves	i have the biggest and most hits in the paraverse
10:51	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves understand tho : this is moderated as to venue, not as to content.
10:52	mircea_popescu	exactly opposite
10:53	ThickAsThieves	i'm just playin re BTCFundnation
10:53	ThickAsThieves	shilling aint advertising
10:53	ThickAsThieves	well it is
10:53	ThickAsThieves	but
10:53	ThickAsThieves	yknow
10:54	ThickAsThieves	my blog has 56 unique users, is that good?
10:54	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves it's sort-of good.
10:54	ThickAsThieves	i could probably add a hundred or so if i plugged it to the forum
10:55	ThickAsThieves	but i dont want stalkers and trolls
10:55	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/awstats-and-stuff/
10:55	ozbot	Awstats and stuff pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
10:55	mircea_popescu	there, you got lamp, you prolly got awstats
10:55	ThickAsThieves	dammit you killed my cookie again
10:56	mircea_popescu	i did not kill no cookies
10:56	mircea_popescu	i just eat them
10:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 4 @ 0.1405 = 0.562 BTC [+]
10:57	ThickAsThieves	hmm does cookie eating coincide with header gfx changes?
10:58	ThickAsThieves	you have mircerberus art now
10:59	ThickAsThieves	holy shit you have 240k unique users?!
10:59	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 771 @ 0.0008426 = 0.6496 BTC [-]
10:59	mircea_popescu	it's the web you know ?
10:59	ThickAsThieves	well i'm still gonna treat you normal, your head is big enough
11:00	ThickAsThieves	and now you have 3
11:00	mircea_popescu	lol
11:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03130001 = 0.1565 BTC [-] {2}
11:15	artifexd	Need more proof that mircea_popescu is the Chuck Norris of finance? Apparently he can divide by zero. Ref: http://trilema.com/2014/smg-april-2014-statement/
11:15	mircea_popescu	artifexd wait wut ?
11:16	artifexd	P/E is "Price divide by earnings", right? Zero earnings means dividing by zero.
11:17	artifexd	Wait. Nevermind. My eyes jumped ahead of my brain.
11:18	mircea_popescu	"The P/E implied value per share is thus 0 BTC." unzips, depacks and deflates as "the value of each share calculated on the basis of the P/E of this company so far would be 0"
11:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11132 @ 0.00084585 = 9.416 BTC [+] {2}
11:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07649999 = 0.153 BTC [+]
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11:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4024 @ 0.00084781 = 3.4116 BTC [+]
12:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.64309480 BTC to 8`410 shares, 31428 satoshi per share
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12:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.032 = 0.224 BTC [+] {2}
12:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.03300011 = 0.132 BTC [-]
12:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
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13:12	bitcoinpete	;;later tell punkman now i wanna catch up on some wu tang clan!
13:12	gribble	The operation succeeded.
13:12	fluffypony	all you need is a vocab of 9k words!
13:13	kakobrekla	!jd mpif
13:13	assbot	Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.89471781 BTC; +0.05557727 BTC (+0.0339%) since last check 3h 53m 41s ago.
13:13	mircea_popescu	ha!
13:14	BingoBoingo	whelp, just got back from the hospital
13:14	mircea_popescu	did you hit on the nurses or did they hit on you
13:14	fluffypony	BingoBoingo: are you HIV aladeen or HIV aladeen?
13:15	bitcoinpete	fluffypony: ha!
13:15	bitcoinpete	i have some aladeen news for you
13:15	BingoBoingo	fluffypony: DIdn't test for that. Instead I was diagnosed with aladeen.
13:15	fluffypony	you are...HIV aladeen...
13:15	mircea_popescu	wtf is this aladeen mangosteen
13:15	fluffypony	:) ... :( ... :) ... :/
13:16	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Reference to some Jew movie
13:16	bitcoinpete	my body double's latest movie: the dictator
13:21	bitcoinpete	"Sacha Baron Cohen attended The 84th Annual Academy Awards (2012) in character and full costume as Aladeen, accompanied by his "virgin guards". While giving an interview on the red carpet to an unsuspecting Ryan Seacrest he brandished an urn he claimed to contain the remains of deceased North Korean dictator Jong-il Kim. Cohen then spilled the ashes all over Seacrest's tuxedo. As a result, Cohen was banned from entering the auditori
13:21	bitcoinpete	or participating in the events."
13:22	fluffypony	totally not a setup at all
13:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.0008499 = 2.3372 BTC [+] {2}
13:23	bitcoinpete	meh promo
13:23	mircea_popescu	he didn't even have a ticket
13:24	bitcoinpete	General Aladeen: [to his pregnant wife] Are you having a boy or an abortion?
13:26	mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/embed/NYJ2w82WifU
13:26	ozbot	THE DICTATOR - HIV Aladeen - YouTube
13:27	fluffypony	lol bitcoinpete
13:28	Framedragger	i've to admit, even though this chan is full of pompastic arrogant fucks, the content is pretty sweet
13:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43244 @ 0.00084497 = 36.5399 BTC [-] {7}
13:31	fluffypony	lol
13:33	mircea_popescu	hello to you too Framedragger
13:33	Framedragger	long time
13:33	mircea_popescu	;;google pompastic
13:33	gribble	THE WORDORIUM - A Dictionary of Daffy Definitions: POMPASTIC: <http://www.wordorium.blogspot.com/2005/03/pompastic.html>; pompastic! on Pinterest: <http://www.pinterest.com/missjohnnam/pompastic/>; Ashish prints and pom poms | Graphic Prints / Clashing colours | Pint…: <http://www.pinterest.com/pin/448741550340772181/>
13:33	mircea_popescu	;;google where is vragnaroda to teach this guy grammer.
13:33	gribble	No matches found.
13:33	mircea_popescu	sadly.
13:34	Framedragger	gribble fails at google
13:34	pankkake	the correct form is… pompatic?!
13:34	Framedragger	first hit here is http://www.wordorium.blogspot.com/2005/03/pompastic.html
13:34	mircea_popescu	mr bombastik pretty fantastik...
13:34	Framedragger	which actually provides some sense
13:35	Framedragger	i choose the "to shake a pompom vigorously" interpretation
13:36	Framedragger	i guess closest 'legit' match is http://etymonline.com/index.php?term=pomposity&allowed_in_frame=0
13:36	mircea_popescu	so you just meant pompous ?
13:36	fluffypony	pompous-nisity
13:36	Framedragger	i guess. i just made a literal mapping from own tongue onto english. but english failed on me :( so, "pompous"
13:37	mircea_popescu	the mapping failed you!
13:37	fluffypony	close enough
13:37	pankkake	http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pompatic a.1.Pompous
13:37	ozbot	Pompatic - definition of Pompatic by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
13:37	Framedragger	aha.
13:38	bitcoinpete	"FXBTC said that long-term financial losses stemming from what it termed a “blockade” by the PBOC resulted in the management team deciding to end the service."
13:38	bitcoinpete	http://www.coindesk.com/chinese-bitcoin-exchange-fxbtc-to-close-citing-central-bank-pressure/ <<another one bites the dust
13:38	mircea_popescu	heh.
13:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.0008418 = 10.0174 BTC [-]
13:50	bitcoinpete	"Russian or Ukrainian" buyer snaps up £140m flat at 1 hyde park and BoE screams "top!"
13:50	bitcoinpete	http://www.bbc.com/news/business-27253097
13:50	ozbot	BBC News - Bank of England warns on house price 'correction'
13:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.0044012 = 0.11 BTC [-] {2}
13:56	chetty	http://news.yahoo.com/russian-bombers-fighter-jets-seen-over-crimea-143320553.html;_ylt=AwrTWVXoVWZThysAFHrQtDMD
13:56	ozbot	Russian bombers, fighter jets 'seen over Crimea' - Yahoo News
13:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 66 @ 0.00199999 = 0.132 BTC [+] {3}
14:00	bitcoinpete	http://www.chinatopix.com/articles/1814/20140417/china-prepares-massive-investments-crimea.htm#.U1UydF9eYHA.twitter
14:00	ozbot	China Prepares Massive Investments in Crimea : World : ChinaTopix.com
14:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.00441948 = 0.1237 BTC [+] {2}
14:08	benkay	re garding fox news: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LZpVr4hhxjE/U2QMGWIaWXI/AAAAAAAAGaM/Xj1VBJMyS-0/s1600/Fox+Obamacare.jpg
14:09	mircea_popescu	so much win.
14:10	benkay	stories from the loltron
14:11	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13162 @ 0.00084314 = 11.0974 BTC [+] {2}
14:11	kakobrekla	http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2014/201404/news30/2014-0430-23ee.html
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14:12	benkay	client wants to do a thing with asymmetric crypto on the major mobile platforms, my guys are handling the ios side. apple provides a handy dandy set of apis for generating keys (your second 4096 bit key on a bleeding edge iphone will take over a minute to gather 'adequate' 'entropy', btw).
14:12	bounce	so... the chinese knew (or suspected) about the crimea thing beforehand? and that nevada thing, does that mean the poor farmer gets his cattle back now?
14:13	benkay	apple's api's are more than happy to give you the raw bytes of the private key, but it seems they then forgot to build out the calls to import that key back into their play-pi.
14:13	benkay	guess what the client's considering
14:13	benkay	come on guess
14:13	bounce	"give benkay mo' moneis"
14:13	mircea_popescu	lol
14:14	benkay	well that's a given, bounce no points
14:14	bounce	the rest is your problem. :-p
14:14	benkay	(they're dangerously savvy and like to help make decisions).
14:14	benkay	BUT SRSLY MOAR GUESSES
14:14	benkay	i'll tell after two
14:14	mircea_popescu	install windows on ios ?
14:15	benkay	getting close
14:15	benkay	does have to do with known turds
14:15	mircea_popescu	install macosx on ios ?
14:15	bounce	generating 4kbit keys takes over a minute? try validating a 1kbit signature on a z80 (certain ti calculators with signed firmware)
14:15	benkay	ios is already stripped down macos, troll
14:15	mircea_popescu	how does your client know this.
14:15	mircea_popescu	bounce the chinese knew.
14:15	mircea_popescu	that they knew you knew the moment they didn't say anything.
14:15	benkay	rolling openssl into the project
14:16	mircea_popescu	openssl is not in ios ?!
14:16	bounce	for extra safety, sure, why not
14:16	benkay	http://cdn.niketalk.com/5/51/51df70cf_tumblr_lm8xntfhTT1ql141xo1_400.gif
14:16	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla kokobakukan.com
14:17	kakobrekla	what, the thing is amazing.
14:17	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
14:17	mircea_popescu	"What’s “kokobakukan”?! “kokobakukan”is the space that there are interesting things for you."
14:18	mircea_popescu	http://explosm.net/db/files/Comics/Kris/honey2.png
14:20	mircea_popescu	Charles Gasparino @CGasparino · 1h never heard @felixsalmon or @cafreeland bemoan working class kids priced outta williamsburg but God forbid it happens to hipsters in SF
14:20	mircea_popescu	guy has a point.
14:23	benkay	<Framedragger> i've to admit, even though this chan is full of pompastic arrogant fucks, the content is pretty sweet << pompastic you say? quite the portmanteau.
14:24	benkay	pompous + bombastic?
14:24	benkay	wth asses
14:24	benkay	pathetic logs this morning
14:25	Framedragger	yeah, pretty much that
14:26	mircea_popescu	http://clientsfromhell.net/post/84718913347/client-i-uploaded-the-twitter-background-you-sent
14:28	benkay	is it my eyes or are the winklevii doing something useful? http://winkdex.com/#/
14:28	benkay	mircea_popescu: let me know how broken it is without js
14:28	mircea_popescu	http://clientsfromhell.net/post/84616669366/client-this-html-email-template-you-did-doesnt
14:28	mircea_popescu	that goes to you.
14:29	benkay	fired.
14:29	mircea_popescu	benkay what's useful about that exactly ?
14:29	mircea_popescu	;;ticker on a website ?
14:29	gribble	(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)
14:30	benkay	well is somewhere in between the bloomberg quote and ;;ticker, no?
14:30	mircea_popescu	it's somewhere betweet "unadulterated nonsense" and "who gives a shit", but sure.
14:30	benkay	lawdy
14:30	benkay	bitcoincharts.org nonsense as well then?
14:31	Framedragger	hah, check out their bios on http://winkdex.com/#/about
14:31	mircea_popescu	i have no idea who those are.
14:31	mircea_popescu	Hmm, bitcoincharts.org isn't loading right now.
14:31	Framedragger	at least they have a sense of humour (maybe)
14:31	benkay	dot com dot butts
14:32	benkay	hey mircea_popescu on an entirely different topic what was this situation where romania just gave oodles of cash away to 'businessmen' once upon a time? sounds like quite the story.
14:32	mircea_popescu	benkay http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2014#506512
14:32	mircea_popescu	benkay context ?
14:33	kakobrekla	Framedragger you dont work in IT do you... ever heard of redundancy?
14:33	Framedragger	;)
14:33	fluffypony	[20:16:16] mircea_popescu: openssl is not in ios ?! <- they implement Open Group's CDSA/CSSM, they hate OpenSSL because it doesn't maintain a stable API between versions
14:33	Framedragger	their twitter images are also symmetrical
14:34	Framedragger	call it 'sharding'
14:34	mircea_popescu	fluffypony good reason to hate it, incidentally.
14:34	fluffypony	agreed
14:34	fluffypony	there was a quote about it
14:35	fluffypony	"Apple does keep an older version of OpenSSL around that isn't vulnerable to the exploit. Safely chained to a wall. In the dungeon. It prods it with sticks now and again to make sure it's still breathing."
14:35	benkay	mircea_popescu: your comment was along the lines of 'romania gave a bunch of money to basically anyone who showed up claiming to be a businessman and a bunch of guys blew it in advertising'
14:35	benkay	iirc you also made a comment about massive gold reserves in proximity
14:35	mircea_popescu	benkay a, was a more complex discussion, see the whole log.
14:35	mircea_popescu	that was after the revolution, early 90s
14:36	benkay	ayeah, trying to find it.
14:38	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla ahaha only now i get the joke. lmao.
14:38	mircea_popescu	"invest with the twinkletoss brothers! there's a spare included!"
14:39	kakobrekla	;)
14:42	danielpbarron	is it safe to assume that a user operating a pass-through for MPEx has a lot to lose if he were to decide to run with the money? To clarify, is it MPEx's official policy to publically shame and/or revoke access for such a user?
14:43	benkay	identity operating the mpex keys will be toast for sure.
14:43	mircea_popescu	in general you'd expect the rotten pt operator to withdraw everything from mpex before he actually runs.
14:43	danielpbarron	mircea_popescu: but would his access be void? (value of 30 BTC)
14:43	benkay	but mircea_popescu wouldja revoke the keys?
14:43	mircea_popescu	yes.
14:44	kakobrekla	if you know who it is
14:44	danielpbarron	nice :D
14:44	mircea_popescu	well you gotta know who he is.
14:44	mircea_popescu	how could you not
14:44	benkay	you gotta know the keyid he's using, non?
14:45	benkay	kinda the point of mpex - put down 30B, get access no questions asked.
14:45	danielpbarron	I don't need to know, but i'm confident MPEx could figure that one out
14:45	kakobrekla	but mpex cant
14:45	mircea_popescu	you shouldn't be confident mpex will figure anything.
14:45	mircea_popescu	but if you ever asked your pt op for a mpex signed stat, for instance, you should know
14:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1160 @ 0.00084176 = 0.9764 BTC [-]
14:46	benkay	pt ops should be considered bad actors if they refuse to provide those, then. no amount of 'gotta preserve the secrecy of my keys with mpex' allowed.
14:46	danielpbarron	i agree
14:46	mircea_popescu	well it's entirely up to you.
14:47	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3140 @ 0.00084118 = 2.6413 BTC [-]
14:47	kakobrekla	yeah but you can go to buttfucker and post a passthrough as evedence present a malfucked pgp signature which none of the 'investors' know how to check anyway and thats that
14:48	chetty	no way around the basics, due diligence and trust
14:48	mircea_popescu	well nobody forces anyone to not know / not think / etc
14:52	danielpbarron	for example: a user is in the WoT, and has a rating of 3 or more given by mircea_popescu, describing him as an operator of a specific pass-through; is it safe to trust this user on that information alone?
14:52	mircea_popescu	no.
14:52	fluffypony	not enough information given
14:52	mircea_popescu	it's never safe to trust.
14:53	danielpbarron	doesn't this necessarily mean that MPEx knows the user's credentials, and could disable them if it turned out to be a scam?
14:53	mircea_popescu	no, it does not.
14:53	mircea_popescu	you can find out what it means by asking the rater what they meant.
14:53	mircea_popescu	you're not at liberty to arbitrarily decide what someone else's rating means.
14:53	danielpbarron	ok, mircea_popescu what did you mean when you rated jurov?
14:53	fluffypony	danielpbarron: I think part of the WoT is extrapolation of information upon which a conclusion can be drawn, and sometimes that information needs to be expanded by talking to the rater
14:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 24 @ 0.03388422 = 0.8132 BTC [+] {2}
14:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0316409 = 0.1266 BTC [-]
14:54	mircea_popescu	danielpbarron i meant the guy has been operating a mpex broker for about two years now, it never ran into any difficulty, and met him twice in person
14:54	danielpbarron	mircea_popescu: do you know which GPG key he uses to place orders on MPEx?
14:55	mircea_popescu	;;rated jurov
14:55	chetty	danielpbarron, do you trust yourself to never eat that piece of chocolate cake you know you shouldn't have?
14:55	gribble	You rated user jurov on Mon Apr 21 06:09:46 2014, with a rating of 5, and supplied these additional notes: Years of promises kept..
14:55	danielpbarron	chetty: 99.99%, ya
14:55	mircea_popescu	i'm pretty sure (5/10) that i know enough of the guy to have an opinion, and that opinion is he should be trustworthy.
14:55	chetty	danielpbarron, that I think is the point - trust has degrees, you should be aware of them
14:56	mircea_popescu	dun tell me jurov ran off ?!
14:56	danielpbarron	lol probably not; just doing some due dilligence
14:56	bounce	what, like kevin bacon or something? *confused*
14:57	benkay	i mean i been trying to get ahold of him all weekend, but that was after he said he was going to be unavailable all weekend
14:57	mircea_popescu	lol
14:57	danielpbarron	that's a good thing, right?
14:57	mircea_popescu	danielpbarron sure.
14:57	bounce	man of his word. he breaks it, you derate him.
14:57	danielpbarron	keeping his word
14:57	benkay	but that's all any of us are.
14:58	mircea_popescu	i thought you meant doing your dd as a good thing.
14:58	danielpbarron	that too, but I wasn't unsure of that one
15:02	mircea_popescu	it's a finicky thing, too.
15:03	mircea_popescu	http://www.deadline.com/2014/05/white-house-correspondents-dinner-2014-live-blog/
15:03	ozbot	White House Correspondents' Dinner 2014 -- Live Blog
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15:08	mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/embed/idrrdgjETxY << guy's actually real bad.
15:08	ozbot	Joel McHale at the 2014 White House Correspondents' Dinner (HD Complete) - YouTube
15:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07520012 = 0.6016 BTC [-] {2}
15:14	benkay	who's the author of that piece on why women don't go into the sciences?
15:14	benkay	!up gesell
15:14	assbot	Voicing gesell for 30 minutes.
15:14	benkay	!up gesell2
15:14	assbot	Voicing gesell2 for 30 minutes.
15:14	mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/454333198307061760/HrKaTPLj.jpeg << dude all the work they put into making that prude vaguely appear sexy
15:19	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11184 @ 0.00084376 = 9.4366 BTC [+]
15:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0752 = 0.3008 BTC [-]
15:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3166 @ 0.00084743 = 2.683 BTC [+]
15:20	benkay	asciilifeform: would you grace me with a link to that piece explaining why women look at the sciences and run screaming in the opposite direction?
15:21	mircea_popescu	“You guys sound like you are on a roller coaster right now, McHale said to the crowd as they groaned to another one of his flopped jokes."
15:22	mircea_popescu	if only that rust chick whatever her name was were there to stand up and derp.
15:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5697 @ 0.00084743 = 4.8278 BTC [+]
15:22	mircea_popescu	"please not to refer to all the unemployable women here hoping for a good marriage by a term implying we're thai ladyboys"
15:23	davout	benkay: that what you're thinking of ? -> http://philip.greenspun.com/careers/women-in-science
15:28	benkay	davout: many thanks
15:32	benkay	http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303380004579520041301275638?mod=WSJ_hp_RightTopStories&mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702303380004579520041301275638.html%3Fmod%3DWSJ_hp_RightTopStories
15:34	benkay	i get it! mircea_popescu's farming slavegirls to keep himself looking young forever: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303417104579541950544978572?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702303417104579541950544978572.html
15:35	benkay	"Findings from both research groups grew out of experiments in which the blood circulation systems of old and young mice were surgically connected, in a manner akin to Siamese twins. In such experiments, older mice essentially got younger while younger mice got older."
15:35	benkay	eeeeew
15:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 18 @ 0.032 = 0.576 BTC [+] {2}
15:39	mircea_popescu	you sayin' i got woman blood ?
15:39	mircea_popescu	!up transfix
15:39	assbot	Voicing transfix for 30 minutes.
15:39	benkay	probably don't want to cross the hormonal streams
15:41	mircea_popescu	Naphex http://trilema.com/2011/test-de-cultura-sociala/#comment-64793 ("e pe investitii")
15:44	jurov	evening all
15:44	jurov	i did not ran off, just went away for a weekend
15:45	fluffypony	jurov: willkommen
15:45	jurov	hunting bears and manuls
15:45	Apocalyptic	sounds like fun
15:45	jurov	with horrible internet, ofc all hell broke loose on the server
15:45	Apocalyptic	you've seen Gasparovic ?
15:45	davout	jurov: what's a manul?
15:46	moiety	you rang? ... i heard bears and manuls
15:46	jurov	davout you dont read teh logs?
15:46	Apocalyptic	rumour has it he likes to hunt bears and /collegues/
15:46	moiety	manuls hunt you jurov
15:46	davout	jurov: nah, was on a week end too :D
15:47	davout	except french style week end, five days long
15:47	fluffypony	davout: http://i.imgur.com/tNaMm.jpg
15:47	fluffypony	that glorious animal
15:47	mircea_popescu	they did that shit here too, may 1-4
15:47	jurov	moiety, can you poignantly explain to him?
15:47	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic sorry, who ?
15:47	jurov	oh fluffy did
15:48	jurov	gasparovic is slovak soon to be expresident, what he did?
15:48	mircea_popescu	oic
15:48	moiety	they will rip your face off without a second thought Apocalyptic :D
15:49	fluffypony	moiety: not the derpy ones
15:49	Apocalyptic	dem manuls
15:49	jurov	lol this got tangled beyond repair
15:49	fluffypony	they'll just lick you to death
15:49	Apocalyptic	mircea_popescu, jurov i'm refering to this incident when one of his fellow hunter was killed during a hunt
15:49	moiety	no such thing... just sleeping ones
15:50	moiety	lol jurov
15:50	jurov	Apocalyptic: and then mr.president was on retconned vacation in croatia? oh yes
15:50	Apocalyptic	yes jurov
15:50	davout	fluffypony: ty!
15:52	jurov	also, just to throw in another unrelated topic.. benkay, you're the third nigga i had to scream "but i dun have test mpex what do i doooooooo!!!!"
15:52	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1689 @ 0.00084743 = 1.4313 BTC [+]
15:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 43 @ 0.03245072 = 1.3954 BTC [+] {5}
15:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03300105 = 0.33 BTC [-]
15:52	jurov	(context: i''m trying to hire someone to improve MPExAgent)
15:52	jurov	(and benkay is the last one so far)
15:53	assbot	[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 744 @ 0.00021725 = 0.1616 BTC [+]
15:53	kakobrekla	whats wrong with mpexagent
15:53	jurov	i want round cornerz
15:54	fluffypony	jurov: and responsive HTML 5 animation?
15:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00084743 = 6.8642 BTC [+]
15:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.NSA] 867 @ 0.00015 = 0.1301 BTC [-]
15:54	fluffypony	with jQuery!
15:54	jurov	yup. and http auth. and botstrip
15:54	jurov	and sockets
15:54	fluffypony	NODE.jquery
15:54	jurov	er.websockets
15:54	mircea_popescu	clearly all this needs mpex sadbox. o.O
15:54	jurov	indeed it does
15:54	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: a sadbox is where Jimmothy goes
15:54	jurov	at leats niggaz.txt needz that
15:54	mircea_popescu	kik
15:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 213 @ 0.00053999 = 0.115 BTC [-]
16:01	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 590 @ 0.00084743 = 0.5 BTC [+]
16:02	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5490 @ 0.00084392 = 4.6331 BTC [-]
16:02	assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 462 @ 0.00053999 = 0.2495 BTC [-]
16:03	jurov	ooooh SatoshiJack sent me some dough...gotta learn blackjack someday, never played it :)
16:03	mircea_popescu	!up bitcoingirl
16:03	assbot	Voicing bitcoingirl for 30 minutes.
16:04	mircea_popescu	bitcoingirl hey there.
16:04	assbot	[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 1150 @ 0.00021725 = 0.2498 BTC [+]
16:04	bitcoingirl	hey
16:04	mircea_popescu	you type in the lower box and hit enter aha!
16:04	bitcoingirl	ok got it
16:04	bitcoingirl	this is a new experience for me
16:04	mircea_popescu	learn something new every day!
16:04	bitcoingirl	just hope my ip isn't getting hacked right now
16:04	fluffypony	jurov: I suck at it
16:04	mircea_popescu	so, im looking for a mpex ambassador. dja know what mpex i ?
16:04	mircea_popescu	is*
16:05	bitcoingirl	http://mpex.co
16:05	ozbot	MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.
16:05	mircea_popescu	exactly.
16:05	bitcoingirl	where is this based
16:05	bitcoingirl	what country
16:05	mircea_popescu	it's not based anywhere, it's a bitcoin corp.
16:05	jurov	in Transnistria
16:06	mircea_popescu	anyway, the deal would be : you go to whatever bitcoin conferences you feel like, i'll cover your entrance fee. you talk to people, explain stuff to them.
16:06	mircea_popescu	i'll give you a pile of facts to work with.
16:06	bitcoingirl	i do that
16:06	bitcoingirl	i *can do that
16:06	jurov	and i'll give you coinbr discount coupons
16:06	diametric	anyone heard of Bitcoin Armory?
16:07	mircea_popescu	bitcoingirl alrighty, when do you want to start ?
16:07	mircea_popescu	diametric sure.
16:07	bitcoingirl	lets start at Amsterdam conference
16:07	bitcoingirl	2 weeks away
16:07	mircea_popescu	cool idea. maybe ThickAsThieves shows up there too.
16:07	diametric	mircea_popescu: have an opinion?
16:07	mircea_popescu	diametric they're not awful.
16:08	diametric	i'm still researching, but i just learned they're based about 15 minutes from my house.
16:08	bitcoingirl	i don't know what thickastheives is
16:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.033 = 0.198 BTC [-] {3}
16:08	mircea_popescu	bitcoingirl it's the irc nick of john carvalo, a bitcoin guy.
16:08	mircea_popescu	i mentioned his name because many irc clients blink if you'r ementioned, and so he knows.
16:09	mircea_popescu	bitcoingirl do you have a blog somewhere, i forget ?
16:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0316409 = 0.3164 BTC [-]
16:09	bitcoingirl	on Forbes
16:09	mircea_popescu	link ?
16:09	bitcoingirl	http://www.forbes.com/sites/perianneboring/
16:09	ozbot	Perianne Boring - Boring Economics - Forbes
16:09	mircea_popescu	a ty
16:10	Duffer1	great photo
16:10	mircea_popescu	did you ever use gpg ?
16:10	mircea_popescu	Duffer1 yeah she looks a million.
16:10	mircea_popescu	bitcoingirl you ever use gpg ?
16:10	bitcoingirl	i don't know hat irc nick means
16:10	bitcoingirl	no
16:11	mircea_popescu	ok, one at a time. irc is the network we're in. it's like a sort of skype, only works a lot better.
16:11	mircea_popescu	a nick is a name. for instance, your nick is bitcoingirl
16:11	bitcoingirl	and multiple people are viewing our conversation?
16:11	mircea_popescu	currently, yes.
16:11	Duffer1	everyone you see on the left
16:12	mircea_popescu	there's a list of them to the right (oir left). there's also the channel logs, which plenty of people read.
16:12	bitcoingirl	I don't know who john carvalo is - never heard of him
16:12	mircea_popescu	ttp://log.bitcoin-assets.com <
16:12	mircea_popescu	bitcoingirl he used to run asicminer PTs and was on their board.
16:12	bitcoingirl	what is that link?
16:13	bitcoingirl	not working
16:13	mircea_popescu	that's the link to the webpage where the log of this channel lives
16:13	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com there
16:14	bitcoingirl	excuse me, I'm obviously not a tech person - more into economic policy
16:14	mircea_popescu	not a crime.
16:14	Duffer1	diametric i'm using armory
16:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 337 @ 0.00084743 = 0.2856 BTC [+]
16:14	mircea_popescu	bitcoingirl so what do you know about me ?
16:15	bitcoingirl	when you say channel - are you talking about the stats?
16:15	mircea_popescu	no, when i say channel i mean exactly that. this space, where we talk, it's the channel. it's name is #bitcoin-assets
16:15	mircea_popescu	its name*
16:17	bitcoingirl	ok got it. are you saying john is already going to be at Amsterdam so you don't need another ambassador there?
16:17	mircea_popescu	not at all. i say he's already going, and maybe you have a drink. he's not my ambassador, because he's a boy
16:17	mircea_popescu	and i have a strict girls-only for ambassador roles policy.
16:17	bitcoingirl	sounds sexist
16:18	mircea_popescu	hm.
16:18	bitcoingirl	so what do i have to do
16:18	mircea_popescu	well he also doesn't have a forbes blog, nor was he invited to the whcd.
16:18	mircea_popescu	well, you ever represented an industry leader before ?
16:19	bitcoingirl	yes, i have a consulting firm in DC where I do this professionally
16:19	mircea_popescu	cool. so, what do you know about me ?
16:20	bitcoingirl	http://trilema.com < this website which has content i would never associate myself with
16:20	mircea_popescu	o hey.
16:21	mircea_popescu	what's the problem with it ?
16:21	Apocalyptic	people aren't ready for trilema yet
16:21	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic at least she's honest.
16:21	bitcoingirl	anti gay anti women articles
16:22	bitcoingirl	plus anti bitcoin foundation content
16:22	mircea_popescu	are you merely skimming titles or also read soem stuff ?
16:22	mircea_popescu	a, that for sure.
16:22	mircea_popescu	you will find pretty much all of bitcoin is anti the alleged foundation.
16:22	bitcoingirl	not in the US
16:22	bitcoingirl	this is business and the foundation is here to stay
16:22	mircea_popescu	who told you this ? :)
16:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00084378 = 10.8848 BTC [-] {2}
16:24	mircea_popescu	!up bgupta
16:24	assbot	Voicing bgupta for 30 minutes.
16:25	Duffer1	c'est la comedie humaine
16:25	bitcoingirl	the foundation may have their own issues / challenges, but opposing them is not something I'm interested in getting involved it. not going to lead to anywhere
16:25	mircea_popescu	you know the average lifetime of bitcoin things i've opposed historically is somewhere south of one year ?
16:25	Duffer1	ignoring/opposing, same dif
16:26	mircea_popescu	i'll crush these schmucks too, not a question of whether, a question of when i feel like pushing hard enough.
16:27	asciilifeform	china/crimea: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2014&bots=true#544315
16:27	mircea_popescu	obviously your own political stands are your own, but the thing that isn't going to lead anywhere is trying to support the walking dead.
16:27	bitcoingirl	im not comfortable having this question over an open source
16:27	mircea_popescu	aite, let's go private then
16:28	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform indeed.
16:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00084311 = 8.8948 BTC [-] {2}
16:34	danielpbarron	this channel rules
16:39	jurov	heh what a suspension...i'd even bet whether mp changes bitcoingirl's stance toward bitcoin foundation
16:40	jurov	at least there's interesting trilema post upcoming
16:40	kakobrekla	ill bet no
16:40	chetty	anti gay? anti woman? anybody know which articles those would be?
16:41	Duffer1	none that i'm aware of, she's probably skimmed the titles
16:41	Apocalyptic	<kakobrekla> ill bet no // about the fact he will change her mind or the post ?
16:41	assbot	[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 100 @ 0.00328679 = 0.3287 BTC [+]
16:42	kakobrekla	the former
16:44	fluffypony	kakobrekla: no there won't be one, or no it won't be interesting?
16:44	fluffypony	ITT: analyse what kakobrekla *REALLY* means :-P
16:44	fluffypony	o you said former
16:44	fluffypony	sadface.
16:46	Apocalyptic	dat kako
16:46	Apocalyptic	confusing everyone
16:47	fluffypony	it's his super-power
16:48	fluffypony	mine is IRC-ing drunk
16:48	thestringpuller	;;ud real human bean
16:48	gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=human%20bean | A person who is addicted to beans and more specificly jelly beans. ... I'm turning into a human bean - I had 4 packets of jelly beans yesterday. by Eli-bean ...
16:48	ozbot	Urban Dictionary: human bean
16:49	chetty	http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/02/nyc-cyclist-arrested-for-using-cellphone-to-film-cop-told-iphones-are-being-used-as-guns/?onswipe_redirect=no&oswrr=1
16:49	ozbot	NYC cyclist arrested for using cellphone to film cop, told iPhones are ‘being used as guns’
16:50	chetty	is the cardano coming equiped with special toys?
16:51	Apocalyptic	told iPhones are ‘being used as guns’ // not sure if serious or...
16:55	kakobrekla	yes, photo gun, shoots pictures.
16:56	davout	^
16:57	chetty	and taking pictures steals your soul ..
17:02	mircea_popescu	suchwow-brb lmao
17:02	mircea_popescu	!up SuchWow-brb
17:02	assbot	Voicing SuchWow-brb for 30 minutes.
17:02	SuchWow-brb	heheh it's been an intense couple of hours with the nascar race
17:03	SuchWow-brb	back in 30 :)
17:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 168 @ 0.00297994 = 0.5006 BTC [+]
17:03	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3850 @ 0.00084743 = 3.2626 BTC [+]
17:03	kakobrekla	is dogecar gonna win
17:03	bitcoinpete	kakobrekla: some chumps, yes
17:09	mircea_popescu	!jd mpif
17:09	assbot	Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.89572664 BTC; +0.00399293 BTC (+0.0024%) since last check 3h 50m 9s ago.
17:10	mircea_popescu	too insufficient small amount of number.
17:16	bitcoinpete	"It appears that the most natural of all ways to classify humans genetically is by the racial and ethnic groups that humans have identified from time out of mind."
17:16	bitcoinpete	http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303380004579521482247869874
17:16	ozbot	Book Review: 'A Troublesome Inheritance' by Nicholas Wade - WSJ.com
17:18	mircea_popescu	unsurprisingly.
17:20	bitcoinpete	to everyone except the nba
17:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.47511 = 0.9502 BTC [+]
17:25	mircea_popescu	;;gettrust bitcoingirl
17:25	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user bitcoingirl: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=bitcoingirl | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitcoingirl | Rated since: never
17:27	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6493 @ 0.00084444 = 5.4829 BTC [-]
17:28	bitcoinpete	whoa mpoe!
17:28	bitcoinpete	investors no like mpif?
17:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.0321191 = 0.5139 BTC [+]
17:30	mircea_popescu	seems it's been taking a beating yest
17:31	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 14 @ 0.03389001 = 0.4745 BTC [+] {5}
17:32	chetty	http://cryptogeeks.com/bitcoin-american-express-sponsored-documentary-feels-more-commercial-bitcoin
17:32	ozbot	Bitcoin: This American Express sponsored documentary feels more like a commercial for Bitcoin. | cry
17:32	mircea_popescu	lol
17:35	mircea_popescu	<danielpbarron> this channel rules << hehe
17:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0764499 = 0.1529 BTC [+] {2}
17:40	bitcoinpete	https://vine.co/v/M6ztmrVtBDj
17:40	ozbot	CRISTIANO RONALDO What-a-goal! Real-Valencia 2-2
17:41	bitcoinpete	ronny be cray
17:41	fluffypony	cray cray
17:42	bitcoinpete	omg fucking greenaddress
17:42	bitcoinpete	http://blog.greenaddress.it/2014/04/30/reusing-addresses-is-bad-m-kay/
17:43	fluffypony	"Not reusing addresses protects you from quantum computing"
17:43	fluffypony	l.o.l. the sequel.
17:43	mircea_popescu	wait wut
17:43	mircea_popescu	does mormon underwear protect you from quantum computing ?
17:43	mircea_popescu	"Not reusing addresses may prevent you to be exposed from undiscovered holes in ECDSA theory"
17:44	mircea_popescu	wlel... reusing addresses equally may prevent you from exposure to undiscovered holes.
17:44	mircea_popescu	what the fuck is this cargo cult nonsense.
17:44	pankkake	because quantum computing can break ECDSA, but cannot break RIPEMD-160? lel
17:44	fluffypony	pankkake: RIPEMD4lyf
17:44	pankkake	anyway >quantum computing. why even talk about it
17:44	mircea_popescu	not reusing addresses has major privacy implications :
17:44	mircea_popescu	it makes it feasible for your users to be tracked
17:45	mircea_popescu	and it makes it possible for the entire "taint" nonsense to even tenuously exist.
17:45	mircea_popescu	if you care about freedom, make sure you reuse at least some addresses.
17:45	pankkake	though I've tried to not associate some addresses with others, I'm sure some more advanced statistical anylisis would reveal them
17:45	jurov	then the analysis just moves on to transaction level
17:46	danielpbarron	bitcoinpete: lol @ greenaddress; I had a back-and-forth with them over that exact issue: https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/461889144667787266
17:46	mircea_popescu	jurov notrly.
17:46	bitcoinpete	danielpbarron: lol just noticed that!
17:47	bitcoinpete	i was a little more blunt https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/463072062056452096
17:47	mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/463072372896333825
17:47	ozbot	Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Attention #Bitcoin : contrary ...
17:47	mircea_popescu	halping out.
17:48	jurov	taint can be tracked by spent transaction inputs, addresses do not need to come into picture
17:48	mircea_popescu	except if you reuse addresses this becomes ambiguous.
17:48	danielpbarron	bitcoinpete: heh, i'd "favorite" your tweet, but I don't want to give twitter a reason to set my account to "login required to read" mode
17:49	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00084429 = 13.8464 BTC [-] {3}
17:49	mircea_popescu	wait thats a mode ? how does it work ?
17:49	danielpbarron	mircea_popescu: the default setting for new users is to block "adult content"
17:49	mircea_popescu	o he's adsult ?
17:49	danielpbarron	and that default also applies to non-users
17:50	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3774 @ 0.00084242 = 3.1793 BTC [-] {2}
17:50	danielpbarron	it's vague, but I assume it means dropping f-bombs and posting nudes
17:50	mircea_popescu	!up bitcoingirl
17:50	assbot	Voicing bitcoingirl for 30 minutes.
17:50	pankkake	does it? perhaps because I'm blocking everything - javascript and cookies, I don't seem to have it
17:50	bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: wait, are you saying that reusing is good for privacy?
17:50	bitcoingirl	popescu - can I humbly ask you for a favor
17:50	mircea_popescu	shoot
17:50	mircea_popescu	bitcoingirl yes.
17:50	mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete yes i mean.
17:51	pankkake	bitcoinpete: seems to me the real issue is merging inputs, regardless of the addresses. changing addresses will only confuse amateur investigators
17:51	fluffypony	^^
17:51	jurov	how ambiguous? when i withdraw from mpex, it spends Tx1, Tx2..Txn from one mpex address.. how it is different from spending them from different adresses?
17:51	bitcoingirl	https://blog.blockchain.com/2014/04/16/the-first-annual-blockchain-awards/ can you help me get votes for the "most insightful journalist"
17:51	ozbot	The First Annual Blockchain Awards | Blockchain Blog
17:52	bitcoingirl	this would be helpful for my career. was one of the first reporters in this industry
17:52	mircea_popescu	so i should what, pester cary ?
17:53	fluffypony	bitcoinpete: not knowing which addresses were used to receive BTC is irrelevant when you are looking at it going out
17:53	mircea_popescu	!up GAit
17:53	assbot	Voicing GAit for 30 minutes.
17:53	GAit	thanks mircea_popescu
17:53	pankkake	anyway, perhaps use a good client which supports multiple wallets if you want easy privacy
17:54	mircea_popescu	aha, well you heard the lady folks : pls to vote ms boring for the blockchain award.
17:54	fluffypony	yeah, agree with pankkake, separation of liabilities
17:54	GAit	bitcoinpete: hello
17:54	bitcoinpete	GAit: howdy
17:54	fluffypony	bitcoingirl: who must we vote for? I missed the bits further up
17:54	GAit	bitcoinpete: can i disturb you on a PM ?
17:54	bitcoinpete	GAit: green address, i presum?
17:54	GAit	bitcoinpete: yes
17:55	mircea_popescu	o is it ?
17:55	bitcoingirl	+fluffypony Perianne Boring, please
17:55	bitcoinpete	GAit: let's talk here
17:55	GAit	ok
17:55	fluffypony	bitcoingirl: ok done, I nominated you for best ATM design.
17:55	GAit	i wasn't sure this was appropriate for the channel, as long as others don't mind
17:55	fluffypony	(kidding)
17:56	bitcoinpete	GAit: this is a good conversation for everyone to see
17:56	mircea_popescu	fluffypony asshat :D
17:56	GAit	it is I agree, i generally like to read your blog
17:56	mircea_popescu	GAit go ahead, you're voiced, you can talk.
17:56	bitcoinpete	GAit: so tell us why reusing addresses is bad, in your opinion
17:56	bitcoingirl	I did not create an ATM
17:57	mircea_popescu	bitcoingirl he's just being difficult :D
17:57	bitcoingirl	i know
17:57	GAit	i think reusing addresses is bad for privacy and exposes you to potential security risk in the implementation
17:57	fluffypony	bitcoingirl: I'm teasing, hence the "kidding" added after
17:57	mircea_popescu	GAit specifically.
17:57	fluffypony	bitcoingirl: here - http://i.imgur.com/nizKc8A.png
17:58	GAit	specifically privacy or security?
17:58	mircea_popescu	privacy. the security i understand
17:58	GAit	privacy alone is quite important but extra security is not bad
17:58	mircea_popescu	and it's factual : ecdsa is vulnerable to bad rngs.
17:59	GAit	well privacy in the sense that if you tell too many people about your [reused] address then it is much easier to make sense, on a whole, of correlated transaction, especially if more people reuse
18:00	mircea_popescu	GAit what if you lie.
18:00	GAit	who lies?
18:00	mircea_popescu	well for instance, Naphex told me a funny story when we met yest. it went like this :
18:01	mircea_popescu	buncha poor romanian kids in some small romanian town got the check-only btc address app installed on their phones and went all over town claiming to be owning 1000s of btc.
18:01	pankkake	oh, your name is actually Boring. things are clearer now
18:01	GAit	check only-> watch only I presume?
18:01	mircea_popescu	yes
18:03	GAit	anyway, bitcoinpete, why would you go as far as calling it scam? good reasons or?
18:03	bitcoinpete	GAit scum != scam
18:03	GAit	sorry, lapsus
18:04	GAit	so why calling it scum?
18:04	GAit	i actually like in general your criticism and your being skeptical
18:04	mircea_popescu	what got called scum ? i'm behind my reading.
18:05	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete called GAit scum on the Twitorz
18:05	GAit	https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/463072062056452096
18:05	ozbot	Twitter / bitcoinpete: You guys are fucking scum. ...
18:05	bitcoinpete	GAit: basically that reusing doesn't have a place in bitcoin
18:05	mircea_popescu	oh. GAit well people sometimes overstate points on the internet. it's called cracked.com
18:05	fluffypony	technically he said you're fucking scum, GAit, if scum is a pretty person you could consider that a complement
18:05	GAit	mircea_popescu: i was trying to find if there was something bad we could improvwe
18:05	mircea_popescu	GAit the problem is this : i'm pretty well convinced, and i suspect a lot of people here are similarly convinced,
18:06	bounce	complement or compliment?
18:06	GAit	bounce: compliment
18:06	mircea_popescu	that a campaign against reusing addresses is more a covert usg op than anything else.
18:06	fluffypony	bounce: good catch
18:06	fluffypony	I need another drink
18:06	mircea_popescu	now whether you're participating naively or not is up for grabs, but still.
18:07	GAit	mircea_popescu: you are saying we tried to get attention in the wrong way by mentioning our comptetitors reusing addresses?
18:07	mircea_popescu	no.
18:07	peterl	does reusing addresses cut down on blockchain bloat?
18:07	mircea_popescu	i am saying that the entire "don't reuse addresses" campaign is exactly the equiovalent of "pls to use openssh" or "pls to use tor before that"
18:07	mircea_popescu	or "pls to use whatever the gpg competitor was, i forgot" 20 years prior.
18:07	bitcoinpete	peterl: shouldn't
18:07	GAit	reusing increases bloat if i understand correctly as you have less to prune
18:07	mircea_popescu	reusing prevents efficient pruning.
18:08	GAit	yeah
18:08	GAit	a good point to add to the blog actually
18:08	GAit	thanks
18:08	fluffypony	peterl: not really...the current change address functionality is roughly analogous to creating fresh receive addresses every time you receive a transaction
18:08	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform chetty what was the gpg competitor nsa was pushing back i nthe day ?
18:09	bounce	clipper?
18:09	fluffypony	bounce: wasn't that the Microsoft Office assistant?
18:09	bounce	"clippy", unless you're thinking of bob the dog
18:10	peterl	you mean the paperclip that gave tips on how to use winblows?
18:10	GAit	anyway, in general if you guys have any feedback i'm all ears
18:10	GAit	guys and gals
18:10	bounce	you now owe me some serious booze, by the by
18:10	mircea_popescu	lmao
18:10	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10494 @ 0.00084108 = 8.8263 BTC [-] {2}
18:10	fluffypony	peterl: yes! "It looks like you're trying to GPG sign this document. Would you like help with that?"
18:10	peterl	lol
18:10	mircea_popescu	bounce aye, skipjack.
18:11	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7206 @ 0.00083946 = 6.0491 BTC [-]
18:11	bitcoinpete	GAit: there's a place for address reuse and there's a place for new address generation
18:11	*	bounce tried to make a funny with "swordfish" in it, but failed
18:11	GAit	bitcoinpete: i don't really know anyonw in bitcoin-dev that is pro address reuse
18:11	mircea_popescu	so ?
18:12	GAit	it is not reccomanded
18:12	mircea_popescu	are you here looking for feedback or are you here to persuade ?
18:12	bitcoinpete	GAit: and quantum computing isn't a thing. it's cold fusion until proven otherwise
18:12	bounce	anybody still use coldfusion? even though it's apparently a better php.
18:12	GAit	quantum computer is theoretical and little practical so far, sure, i didn't say much more to that
18:12	mircea_popescu	bounce seems dead.
18:13	mircea_popescu	GAit do you understand the part where making statements about defenses against nonspecified attacks is hacky at best ?
18:13	fluffypony	lol
18:13	mircea_popescu	i mean that sort of shit probably flies in -otc, but this chan is grown ups.
18:13	fluffypony	bounce: wasn't there a major CF exploit last yearish that caused issues on a bunch of sites?
18:13	GAit	non specified attacks?
18:13	mircea_popescu	yes.
18:13	GAit	i specified the attaccks or problems. RNG is one
18:14	GAit	privacy is another
18:14	mircea_popescu	if quantum computing, then your teeth are probably not safe. because why would they be ?
18:14	peterl	my dad (a physicist) worked on quantum computing for a bit. It's more likely to succeed than cold fusion, but still many years off.
18:14	GAit	well by then i imagine a lot of encryption will use quanto techinques
18:14	bitcoinpete	GAit: i didn't say much more to that <<quantum comps was half your security argument in the blog
18:14	fluffypony	GAit: it's like me saying not to use GreenAddress because of the risk of an exploit in Chrome/Java/JavaScript; until it happens or the attack surface is real it's pointless talking about it
18:14	bounce	quantum computing vs cold fusion, there's a bitbet
18:14	GAit	it is a widely discussed topics when talking about bitcoin and ecdsa
18:14	mircea_popescu	bounce one year term!
18:14	bounce	oh foo
18:14	peterl	oh, and people use cold fusion all the time, it just generates neutrons, not power
18:15	bounce	NO VISION
18:15	GAit	fluffypony: sure you can say that, but then you have little alternative to all common languages, maybe some hardware wallet
18:15	mircea_popescu	o.o
18:15	mircea_popescu	security by lack of alternative ?!
18:15	fluffypony	GAit: welcome to the world of S.NSA :-P
18:15	kakobrekla	afaik 'green address' as technical term implies reusing an address, which is funny.
18:15	mircea_popescu	which is also entirely an artefact of your own mind, as yo ucan make a webpage in fucking lisp ?
18:15	bounce	just add neutron-fueled fission, and you have a safe(-ish) reactor
18:15	GAit	we are already working on supporting two hw wallets
18:16	GAit	we are using a different way of 'greenaddressing' out of band, if you want greenaddress 2.0
18:16	GAit	we spoke to Jan, you know, the guy that coined the term
18:16	mircea_popescu	moving on to more interesting stuff. fluffypony you got a dc in your basement ?
18:16	GAit	he really liked the way it is applied in a out of the box way
18:17	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: no, got a warehouse with decent availability and average Internet tho
18:17	GAit	did you see the design document/white apper?
18:17	mircea_popescu	you moving anytime soon ?
18:17	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: not a chance
18:17	mircea_popescu	how would you feel about hosting a coupla rigs ?
18:17	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: sure, happy to talk about it
18:18	fluffypony	GAit: when are you guys going to support RFC 1149?
18:18	fluffypony	I think it's an important piece of functionality missing from almost all implementations
18:19	mircea_popescu	too fucking evil.
18:19	peterl	bounce: so you control the rate of fission by the amount of power you put into the neutron-generating fusion?
18:19	bitcoinpete	;;google jan greenaddress
18:19	gribble	Does sending from a green address improve my anonymity ...: <http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/2387/does-sending-from-a-green-address-improve-my-anonymity>; Green address – the solution to slow Bitcoin transactions? - CoinDesk: <http://www.coindesk.com/green-address-the-solution-to-slow-bitcoin-transactions/>; GreenAddress: open source multisig wallet service - Bitcoin (1 more message)
18:20	GAit	fluffypony: nah, we are too busy on http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4824, which is much much better
18:20	fluffypony	so they tell me :)
18:21	mircea_popescu	flagpoles harder to get than birds.
18:21	GAit	fluffypony: what you never tried it? come on where do you live?
18:22	fluffypony	GAit: we have 6 dogs, pigeons don't last long around here
18:22	GAit	so you trying fiber now?
18:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.06474168 = 0.259 BTC [-]
18:22	fluffypony	yep, I've found a healthy serving of oats gives me all the fibre I need
18:24	GAit	so what do you guys do? anyone coming to amsterdam?
18:24	mircea_popescu	maybe ThickAsThieves
18:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00083944 = 9.1499 BTC [-] {2}
18:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.034 = 0.136 BTC [+]
18:25	bitcoinpete	i gotta jet.
18:25	bitcoinpete	GAit: good of you to drop by for a chat
18:25	bitcoinpete	hopefully you'll consider what you've learned here
18:26	bounce	ouch
18:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2836 @ 0.00083928 = 2.3802 BTC [-]
18:32	mircea_popescu	Random twitter self-absorbed priss : This website wants to feature me as a "Hot Babe”. Should I do it?
18:32	mircea_popescu	Me : You done nudes yet ?
18:32	mircea_popescu	Her : No, and I never will.
18:32	mircea_popescu	Me : Then pretty much nobody cares. You wanna play a sport, might as well go pro or else forget about it.
18:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 69 @ 0.00200021 = 0.138 BTC [-] {4}
18:34	fluffypony	heh
18:34	fluffypony	Pro Stripping
18:34	fluffypony	olympic level
18:34	mircea_popescu	did they succeed making pole dancing an olympic sport yet ?
18:35	fluffypony	don't think so
18:37	pankkake	I stumbled on some pole dancing websites, it was entertaining. I mean, it was so serious and all. Though the erotic aspect wasn't stupidly downplayed
18:37	mircea_popescu	pankkake belly dancing can also get quite serious
18:37	mircea_popescu	heck, for that matter even barbecuing
18:37	bounce	srsly eerotic
18:37	pankkake	well, I have a belly button fetish, so. :)
18:38	fluffypony	I dated a Greek girl who was a serious belly dancer, she ended up starting her own school
18:38	fluffypony	was sexy for a bit, but she was too serious about it
18:38	pankkake	ahah
18:38	fluffypony	I just wanted pre-sex wiggling, not a history lesson
18:38	mircea_popescu	slaves do a better job at it anyway
18:40	mircea_popescu	http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ << check it out, according to kakobrekla a new week has started, but not a new day.
18:40	ozbot	#bitcoin-assets stats
18:40	fluffypony	kako-time
18:41	mircea_popescu	it bellydances.
18:41	fluffypony	lol
18:41	kakobrekla	it probably has to do with the code.
18:42	mircea_popescu	ahahaha
18:42	assbot	Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1CPEMYA/plain/)
18:42	mircea_popescu	!b 5
18:42	assbot	Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/0WHBKDV/plain/)
18:42	mircea_popescu	!b 9
18:45	Namworld	By last 12 months I rank high, but lately I rank low.
18:45	fluffypony	http://i.imgur.com/GpIAwwo.jpg
18:47	mircea_popescu	haha good 1
18:47	Namworld	fluffypony, you've chat as much in the last 30 days as I did in the last 12 months.
18:47	mircea_popescu	!up lolstate
18:47	assbot	Voicing lolstate for 30 minutes.
18:47	lolstate	pop-up mf
18:47	mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot lolstate
18:47	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user lolstate: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=lolstate | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=lolstate | Rated since: never
18:47	mircea_popescu	gotta get wot.
18:48	Namworld	And mircea, you've chat more than assbot lately, you might have an addiction problem
18:48	mircea_popescu	is it addiction when you do it a lot or when yo ucan't stop ?
18:49	lolstate	Gribble?
18:49	lolstate	Again?
18:49	Namworld	Hence "might"
18:49	lolstate	We were friends!
18:50	fluffypony	Namworld: just noticed that now - maybe I have an addiction too :-P
18:52	kakobrekla	test
18:52	assbot	Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/2SZFKQF.txt)
18:52	kakobrekla	!b 1
18:52	kakobrekla	kay
18:52	bounce	that's a keeper
18:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 98 @ 0.00199997 = 0.196 BTC [-] {4}
18:53	fluffypony	so now it strips the !b line out and links correctly?
18:54	fluffypony	oh nm it's just the links
18:54	kakobrekla	!mp http://dpaste.com/3TS4ZK5.txt
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18:54	assbot	Processing.
18:54	assbot	Response: http://dpaste.com/0KF222K.txt
18:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07649999 = 0.153 BTC [+] {2}
18:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.47511 BTC [+]
18:56	mircea_popescu	le cool
18:56	mircea_popescu	basically dpaste broke their api ?
18:56	kakobrekla	changed some stuff apparently
18:56	mircea_popescu	yeah
18:56	bounce	stable apis are so 1.0
18:57	kakobrekla	looks like they figured txt files are the way to go
18:57	fluffypony	bounce: ikr, who needs them
18:57	mircea_popescu	+like upvote retweet to that.
18:58	bounce	retweet the like?
18:58	fluffypony	in fact, you should just announce breaking API changes on Twitter and hope everyone catches it
18:58	bounce	put it on your facebook wall. then set it private.
18:59	mircea_popescu	the irony of "walls"
18:59	*	bounce is tempted to publish all the specs exclusively on gopher
18:59	lolstate	I’m going to through out what may be a trivial question (at first glance): what is up with Neobee?? !
18:59	lolstate	TAT?
18:59	lolstate	MP?
18:59	lolstate	Me?
18:59	lolstate	Danny?
18:59	lolstate	Quesions, eh?
18:59	fluffypony	lolstate: dead in the water, Danny on the lam
18:59	mircea_popescu	seems dead no ?
19:00	mircea_popescu	!t h neobeeq
19:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK:NEOBEEQ] 1D: 0.00001261 / 1.302E-5 / 0.00001700 (13739 shares, 0.17890927 BTC), 7D: 0.00001261 / 2.211E-5 / 0.00006970 (197924 shares, 4.37667709 BTC), 30D: 0.00001261 / 0.00011853 / 0.00045000 (796909 shares, 94.45738272 BTC)
19:00	lolstate	lam?
19:00	fluffypony	;;google define lam
19:00	gribble	Lam - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary: <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lam>; Lam | Define Lam at Dictionary.com: <http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lam>; On the lam | Define On the lam at Dictionary.com: <http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/on+the+lam>
19:00	fluffypony	"on the lam, escaping, fleeing, or hiding, especially from the police"
19:01	lolstate	boring
19:01	lolstate	‘lam’ isn’t analysis or any where close to an explanation!
19:01	mircea_popescu	aren't you like... months late for that ?
19:01	lolstate	what? a kick in the mouth? or… ?
19:02	fluffypony	ok analysis: Danny is a thief and was the only one who controlled all the monies. now he's run away with the monies or many spent it all on a lavish lifestyle. the company has collapsed and disbanded, and the police want to talk to Danny.
19:02	fluffypony	fin.
19:02	lolstate	Explnation for recent failure, maybe?
19:02	lolstate	fluffy: that is shallow
19:02	mircea_popescu	lolstate bring something to the table.
19:03	lolstate	clearly, he wasn’t a thief a priori
19:03	fluffypony	ok here
19:03	benkay	<fluffypony> ... spent it all on a lavish lifestyle. << a shame, considering...btc.
19:03	mircea_popescu	clearly uh.
19:03	fluffypony	lolstatel: start here: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/232v5n/the_full_picture_from_danny_brewster/ then go here: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23cjd9/the_full_picture_of_former_neo_bee_employees/ then go here: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23e0if/neo_bee_a_consultants_perspective_and_statement/ then go here: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23cp8h/my_take_on_what_happened_with_neo_bee_after/
19:03	mircea_popescu	#bitcoin-assets rules of style : omit all sentences that start with clearly.
19:03	mircea_popescu	they'll get ignored anyway, might as well save the electrons
19:04	dignork	lolstate: Danny's claims about what he can do, where laughable, maintaining his own exchange rate? btc banks?
19:04	ThickAsThieves	catching up on logs after attending a local festival
19:04	ThickAsThieves	<+mircea_popescu> anyway, the deal would be : you go to whatever bitcoin conferences you feel like, i'll cover your entrance fee. you talk to people, explain stuff to them. //// mah job!
19:04	bounce	what? since when're you turning greenpeace?
19:04	bounce	"save the electrons", sheesh.
19:04	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you srsly want it ?
19:04	lolstate	fluffy: yeah, saw that
19:04	fluffypony	lolstate: how do you get he wasn't a thief prior? has he been a personal friend you've known his whole life?
19:05	lolstate	fluufy: don’r be flippant. A priori, every human is honest
19:05	fluffypony	because evidence seems to point that he was dirty, or at the very least incompetent, and this is another in a string of failures / duck-and-run jobs
19:05	lolstate	yaya
19:05	mircea_popescu	!down lolstate
19:05	mircea_popescu	enough of that.
19:05	benkay	lolstate: you miss the part where in btc, everyone has to prove they're not a thief first.
19:05	benkay	via...wot.
19:06	benkay	and even then, that's an extremely weak 'proof'.
19:06	bounce	that an open offer? though as a matter of style one might better sneak in bitcoin foundation gigs and possibly get thrown out in front of cameras
19:06	mircea_popescu	fucking noobs, gonna control the flow of conversation nao. wtf is happening in these people's heads.
19:06	benkay	this is what we're working towards. not that 'anyone's not a scammer until they are', but that ther are grownups in the space, and either you deal with them or they fuck off.
19:06	benkay	or *you* fuck off.
19:07	benkay	!up lolstate
19:07	assbot	Voicing lolstate for 30 minutes.
19:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00084173 = 15.9087 BTC [+] {2}
19:07	lolstate	ta
19:07	mircea_popescu	bounce i don't really believe in half measures. im either sending in people with automatic rifles, or not at all.
19:07	benkay	mircea_popescu: he ain't no worse than tib.
19:07	benkay	possibly educable.
19:07	mircea_popescu	benkay hey, you can put up with it, by all means.
19:08	benkay	anyways lolstate from a statistical perspective, every btc operation is a scam, and every operator a priori a thief.
19:08	lolstate	MP, why the Ceaușescu move? It is unbecoming.
19:08	fluffypony	sweet, CloudFlare have published their SSL config for nginx: https://github.com/cloudflare/sslconfig/
19:08	mircea_popescu	lolstate try and learn from what's happening to you, fucktard
19:08	mircea_popescu	rather than herping along, calling things names.
19:09	benkay	lolstate: !up and !down are part of the variety speak.
19:09	lolstate	MP, grow up and discuss…. let’s discuss your role in Neobee
19:09	benkay	oh do tell
19:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07514414 = 0.9017 BTC [-] {2}
19:10	ThickAsThieves	ok i'm caught up
19:10	fluffypony	his...role?
19:10	lolstate	Well, MP, what’s with all the trolling and black arts against Neobee and others…
19:10	ThickAsThieves	<+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves you srsly want it ? /// well, i'm down for a test drive in Amsterdam next week
19:10	benkay	calling a scam a scam = black arts these days
19:10	benkay	or a derp a derp
19:11	ThickAsThieves	i have full intention of providing "coverage"
19:11	lolstate	Neobee turned out bad, clearly, what about the others that have not, yet you desire to do so?
19:11	benkay	nobody's desires matter, lolstate
19:11	ThickAsThieves	and intend to start bugging you guys for help with questions and plans
19:11	bounce	shamelessly copying: <danieldaniel> http://i.imgur.com/OvAcLrb.jpg
19:11	lolstate	MP’s desire, TAT!
19:11	ThickAsThieves	huh?
19:12	lolstate	MP’s desire to bad mouth legimitate rivals!
19:12	ThickAsThieves	no
19:12	lolstate	No?
19:12	fluffypony	neo&bee was a legitimate rival of mpex?
19:12	ThickAsThieves	you are in bakwards world
19:12	benkay	badmouthing doesn't matter, lolstate
19:12	fluffypony	da fuq.
19:12	benkay	if it matters, the foundations are unsound to begin with.
19:12	ThickAsThieves	lolstate, speak like an adult or we'll have your tongue
19:12	bounce	;;ident lolstate
19:12	gribble	Nick 'lolstate', with hostmask 'lolstate!~lolstate@cpc16-broo8-2-0-cust783.14-2.cable.virginm.net', is not identified.
19:12	benkay	'i'll huff and i'll puff and i'll derp you away!'
19:13	lolstate	TAT? Why did you cut from Neo? Was is Danny’s selling?
19:13	lolstate	*it*, I mean
19:13	benkay	sinking ship, lolstate .
19:13	ThickAsThieves	i gave a broad explanation for my severing ties the day i severed them
19:13	ThickAsThieves	i do not know if danny stole
19:14	ThickAsThieves	i'm not sure anyone does
19:14	lolstate	Te ship has sunk, benkay
19:14	benkay	lolstate: you miss the point.
19:14	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves so what you need ?
19:14	benkay	lolstate: when a ship is sinking, what do the occupants do?
19:14	ThickAsThieves	you mention providing of dossiers, any info or intent you wish to instill with me, is welcome
19:14	benkay	lolstate are you delberately trolling like a noob or is this the best that you can do?
19:15	ThickAsThieves	including specific questions
19:15	ThickAsThieves	i am also willing to spend prepatory time this week
19:15	lolstate	TAT, really? TBH, I missed that. All I read was you couldnt continure in the role etc, which is reasonable, although I wasn’t clear on the reason
19:15	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves wait wut. what dossiers
19:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.47511 BTC [+]
19:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 27 @ 0.03211 = 0.867 BTC [+]
19:15	ThickAsThieves	you said something about providing info
19:15	ThickAsThieves	i'm just being dramatic
19:16	fluffypony	on that note, I'm heading to bed
19:16	mircea_popescu	bounce he left out drugz
19:16	lolstate	Night fluffy
19:17	mircea_popescu	!up nahkunt
19:17	assbot	Voicing nahkunt for 30 minutes.
19:17	nahkunt	hi guys. thoughts on verpayments?
19:17	mircea_popescu	wait wut
19:17	mircea_popescu	omfg i been trying to eat this sandwich for half a n hour
19:17	lolstate	TAT. Really what can you say about the NEo situation (sorry if I’m behind the loop)
19:17	ThickAsThieves	lolstate i'll sum it up like this. at this point there will be no new info from anyone worth anything on the Neo events unless he gets picked up by authorities and forced to hand over his accounts etc
19:17	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves were you going to ask vehehes why he's not publishing reports ?
19:17	nahkunt	mircea_popescu: hah, i just read about you a few minutes ago and now i see you on here...
19:17	ThickAsThieves	yes
19:17	ThickAsThieves	if i can
19:17	mircea_popescu	well what's that mean
19:18	mircea_popescu	nahkunt fancy that!
19:18	ThickAsThieves	what's what mean
19:18	nahkunt	mircea_popescu: the romanian suspected pornstar/cryptostocks businessman/woman
19:18	ThickAsThieves	i'm not mean!
19:18	*	bounce is living on tunes instead of food ATM. 90s tunes.
19:18	mircea_popescu	wait what ?!
19:18	ThickAsThieves	lol
19:18	benkay	suspected pornstar
19:18	mircea_popescu	omfg im taking some time off i've never been this confused ion my lyf.
19:19	benkay	wait pornstar/cryptostocks?
19:19	benkay	wtf?
19:19	bounce	secret launcehd PornCoin and didn't tell anyone?
19:19	nahkunt	lol
19:19	bounce	s/ceh/ce/
19:19	ThickAsThieves	but seriously mp, and everyone here, i have an open call out for questions and topics anyone would like me to attempt getting info on at Bitcoin2014
19:19	benkay	pornstar/businesscunt would make sense
19:19	lolstate	TAT, that’s an interesting staement: a) Danny is a crim or… b)… ?
19:20	benkay	but pornstar/cryptostocks is derpage of the most pernicious variety.
19:20	ThickAsThieves	basically the limit is that they have to be "serious" questions and i cant end up in jail
19:20	bounce	you already got a list? (wiki? in public? maybe not a good idea)
19:20	lolstate	lol
19:20	nahkunt	mircea_popescu: isn't that correct? i read about you on the bitcoinwiki, it linked to a bitcointalk thread discussing it.
19:20	ThickAsThieves	getting banned from the conf is not off limits, but save it for last plaz
19:20	ThickAsThieves	plz
19:20	ThickAsThieves	bounce no one has made any requests yet
19:20	benkay	nahkunt: relies on bitcointalk for research
19:21	ThickAsThieves	i intended to start my own list in the next couple days
19:21	assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 250 @ 0.00053 = 0.1325 BTC [-]
19:21	bounce	really should trawl their forum for things to grill them about
19:21	nahkunt	benkay: yes, businesscunt, i'da said that but i'm not sure how many aussies are present in this channel
19:21	ThickAsThieves	lolstate, i do not know if danny is a criminal, it's entirely possible he is merely 'criminally' inept
19:21	lolstate	TAT, have you had any contact with Danny after cutting the pass-through management role?
19:21	*	bounce already has a bit too much to read ATM :/
19:22	ThickAsThieves	lolstate no, he only talks to reddit now it seems
19:22	lolstate	Well, he doesn’t answer mobile, Skype or email
19:22	ThickAsThieves	i know
19:22	lolstate	Doe a runner, it seems..
19:22	lolstate	*Done*
19:23	benkay	lolstate: satisfied yet?
19:23	nahkunt	benkay: not relying on bitcointalk, i asked for confirmation from the primary source and you're criticisng my romanian pornstar turned crypt obusinesscunt research methodology?
19:23	lolstate	About what, exactly? Aren’t you in bed?
19:23	ThickAsThieves	lolstate just wants fuel to bring back to the perpetually cold fire at bitcointalk.org
19:23	lolstate	lol
19:23	benkay	nahkunt: it's no secret mp ran porn operations.
19:24	lolstate	I don’t think so, TAT.
19:24	benkay	pornstar though is your claim and you're going to have to substantiate that.
19:24	benkay	'star' lol.
19:24	ThickAsThieves	porn cerberus
19:24	lolstate	So, TAT, I’m not here to add fuel or whatever. I’m actaully interested in disecting this mess.
19:24	nahkunt	benkay: it's probably false then, but this wiki page https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/MPEx links to a thread that mentions it
19:24	benkay	there's nothing to dissect, lolstate. it's over. everyone involved lost their money.
19:25	bounce	totally believable
19:25	lolstate	FFS
19:25	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves so im thinking the best approach here is, go, liveblog it, we take it from there.
19:25	mircea_popescu	sorta like a qual lap./
19:25	ThickAsThieves	lolstate i have no new info for you, sorry
19:25	benkay	nahkunt: let me know if you have anything that's less retarded than a retarded thread on a retarded forum.
19:25	ThickAsThieves	mp, okay, but i do feel some prep would be nice
19:25	mircea_popescu	ok, ask ?
19:25	lolstate	I don’r need neew info, TAT. That’s ok.
19:25	lolstate	But the dissection has to happen.
19:26	benkay	why, lolstate ?
19:26	benkay	what is there to dissect?
19:26	lolstate	Police will disect soon enough.
19:26	benkay	shit blew up. it's over. on to the next one.
19:26	ThickAsThieves	i'll start a doc tomorrow (i'm not entirely sober atm) but basically who are the targets, and what are the main gripes and concerns to be expressed to each
19:26	lolstate	No really. If there was fraud, the cops will be interested.
19:26	bounce	probably gonna need someone on the headset relaying irc (teamspeak?) during panels
19:26	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves as far as im concenred, the "why are you not publishing reports @vehe" is all.
19:27	nahkunt	benkay: ok man... i think you're misinterpreting my tone, i wasn't really all that serious about it. i just came to ask people's opinion on https://vertpay.com — they're having an IPO soon
19:27	ThickAsThieves	i should probably buy an audio recorder
19:27	benkay	lolstate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM1RChZk1EU
19:27	mircea_popescu	i have no idea who the rest of the derps present are or why'd i/anyone care.
19:27	ThickAsThieves	but mp so many people will be there
19:27	ThickAsThieves	like Josh from BFL
19:27	mircea_popescu	so many people are @gcs in ny right now
19:27	mircea_popescu	so what of it
19:27	ThickAsThieves	the Overstock guy
19:27	ThickAsThieves	etc
19:27	mircea_popescu	the overstock guy is a year away from sense
19:27	mircea_popescu	i may be the lord of all evil but i can't compress time.
19:27	lolstate	TAT, are you still in securities? Aren’t you jaded now?
19:27	benkay	nahkunt: "Merchant adoption is the single biggest driver in encouraging the spread of a cryptocurrency." << sounds like a ploy to hype a shitcoin
19:27	mircea_popescu	except with willing women.
19:28	ThickAsThieves	lolstate i've been jaded since i was like 8 years old
19:28	fluffypony	nahkunt: I'm off to bed, but hit me up tomorrow if you have any VertPay questions
19:28	mircea_popescu	nahkunt you ever read the canonical statement to the contrary ?
19:28	nahkunt	fluffypony: ok thanks i will
19:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5132 @ 0.00083975 = 4.3096 BTC [-] {3}
19:28	nahkunt	mircea_popescu: nope, link it?
19:28	fluffypony	benkay: paybee got rolled into vertpay
19:29	ThickAsThieves	lolstate i am in no way involved with bitcoin securities at this time, well, other than owning some personally
19:29	lolstate	Ok
19:29	benkay	fluffypony: vertpay is yours?!
19:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.06474168 = 0.259 BTC [-]
19:29	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/#comment-92015
19:29	benkay	fluffypony: you're tying yourself to shitcoins that aren't atc?
19:29	ozbot	Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
19:29	benkay	for shame mah nigga
19:29	lolstate	MP’s attitude is naive. When the Feds come, it wil be because there are new crypto-carreers to be bulit.
19:29	fluffypony	hah hah
19:29	fluffypony	benkay: don't worry, we'll branch into ATC soon :-P
19:30	ThickAsThieves	mp's plan actually exists
19:30	nahkunt	what is ATC?
19:30	benkay	http://therealaltcoin.org
19:30	fluffypony	nahkunt: http://www.therealaltcoin.org
19:30	fluffypony	it's the only hipster altcoin
19:30	mircea_popescu	%diff
19:30	atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 140052.98 in 1630 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -69.24
19:30	ThickAsThieves	i scooped mp's legal plan a while back
19:30	mircea_popescu	that.
19:30	lolstate	TAT, do you still have a current LMB share-holder/transfer-to-Havelock list?
19:31	lolstate	Not trying to wind you up, TAT, just fact-finding!
19:31	nahkunt	fluffypony: serious question: will you consider other altcoins than vert some day? i realise that's pipedream talk but i'm curious
19:31	ThickAsThieves	to what end?
19:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00084131 = 6.8146 BTC [+]
19:31	mircea_popescu	wait wait. fluffypony what exactly is your relation to vertcon or w/e and wtf is it ?
19:31	fluffypony	nahkunt: definitely, that's the plan, but it's important for us to have a definitive starting point
19:32	nahkunt	yes i agree and i think it's a wise decision to start with just vert
19:32	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: I found someone doing something similar to PayBee but Vertcoin-specific, so I struck a deal with them and we've been sorting things out over the past couple of weeks
19:32	mircea_popescu	wtf is a vertcoin
19:32	ThickAsThieves	i'm not sure if i have a 'current' list lolstate, i may have taken a screen shot of the lmb site before it went away, but otherwise, the 'list' of pending transfers was not saved
19:32	benkay	another shitcoin.
19:33	mircea_popescu	scrypt ?
19:33	lolstate	Ok, TAT, that’s reasonable.
19:33	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: an altcoin, selling point is that it uses scrypt-n so it's asic-resistant
19:33	mircea_popescu	ah.
19:33	mircea_popescu	oh oh that thing
19:33	mircea_popescu	shit man that's obscure
19:33	fluffypony	the n-factor is determined by block height or something
19:33	mircea_popescu	yes yes
19:33	mircea_popescu	so what's your slice, like... bored one day ?
19:33	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: it made sense to do that than try do PayBee
19:33	mircea_popescu	aha
19:34	mircea_popescu	is paybee even functional yet ?
19:35	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: backend stuff, the VertPay guys have a dev team so some of the code's been discarded in favour of what they have, and some can be re-used
19:35	fluffypony	so everyone wins
19:36	mircea_popescu	https://github.com/paybee/electrum-doge/blob/master/AUTHORS o look, he's even i nthere.
19:36	fluffypony	werd
19:36	fluffypony	and in there: https://github.com/paybee/electrum-vert/blob/master/AUTHORS
19:36	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: what was the gpg competitor nsa was pushing << it was clipper. not strictly speaking a pgp competitor
19:36	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yeah
19:36	asciilifeform	intended for voice telephony
19:37	mircea_popescu	fluffypony all the sikrits you keep from us!
19:37	mircea_popescu	anyway, so what's the plan ?
19:37	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: nobody ever asked!
19:37	fluffypony	we put together a small board that consists of myself plus a few others that were already involved in VertPay
19:38	mircea_popescu	no but i mean what do you intend for it to do.
19:38	fluffypony	Vertcoin payment gateway, but dev it as a white-labelled PayBee
19:39	mircea_popescu	what's payment gateway mean in this context ?
19:39	mircea_popescu	!up DoctorBTC
19:39	assbot	Voicing DoctorBTC for 30 minutes.
19:39	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: accept arbitrary altcoins, cash out to fiat / BTC in whatever ratio they'd like
19:39	asciilifeform	re: fusion: Farnsworth's device.
19:40	mircea_popescu	well ok, but i mean how would you cover fiat ? need a buncha bank accts.
19:40	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: you missed the whole PayBee proposal! it backs up onto Bitpay, so no need for any of tha t:)
19:40	fluffypony	*that
19:40	fluffypony	they handle all the fiat stuff (including regulatory hurdles)
19:40	mircea_popescu	ah that's what you mean by wl paybee
19:41	*	fluffypony nods
19:41	mircea_popescu	aok.
19:41	mircea_popescu	so they paying you ? :D
19:41	fluffypony	of course, part of the deal :)
19:41	mircea_popescu	just asking because you recall the earlier discussion re identifying stakeholders
19:41	mircea_popescu	you never know whether people do or don't know shit.
19:42	fluffypony	agreed
19:42	ThickAsThieves	some notables that will be in Amsterdam: Gavin Andresen, Mike Hearn, Jinyoung Lee Englund (that snakey twitter liar hackathon canceller), Matonis, Marco Santori (self-proclaimed bitcoin lawyer), Jeff Garzi, BitPay, Coinbase, Nic Cary, Electrum, Armory, BitAngels, Circle, Bloomberg, NY Times, Mastercoin, Ripple (like 4 dudes!), eToro, Coindesk, ZipZap, Xapo, Erik Voorhees, Vessenes, The
19:42	ThickAsThieves	Economist, CoinTerra, BTCJam, Roger Ver, Kraken, Bitstamp, BFL, Maidsafe
19:43	ThickAsThieves	surely you guys have things you'd love to ask some of those entities
19:43	fluffypony	oh MaidSafe AND BTCJam will be there! splendid
19:43	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves no but looky : gavin quit, he can have his peace. asking shit out of nobodies a la hearn or that egglund chick is like... no matter what yo uasked, it's still +ev for them
19:43	mircea_popescu	"look ma, someone talked to us!"
19:44	mircea_popescu	maybe ask nic cary why he's not given ms boring the title :D
19:44	ThickAsThieves	ms boring?
19:44	mircea_popescu	you can ask the ripple people about mah ripple article if you particularly wish to be annoying, but i mean to what end.
19:44	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves the bitcoingirl earlier.
19:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03389999 = 0.1695 BTC [-] {2}
19:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03164272 = 0.1582 BTC [-] {2}
19:45	ThickAsThieves	oh
19:45	ThickAsThieves	;;google trilema.com ripple
19:45	gribble	RIPple, the definitive discussion. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/ripple-the-definitive-discussion>; Ripple - Reddit: <http://www.reddit.com/r/Ripple/>; NEXT: 20-03-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2014&bots=true>
19:45	fluffypony	oh goodie, reading material for bed
19:45	fluffypony	tks ThickAsThieves
19:45	mircea_popescu	you can also ask ver how does it feel to have had a bunch of btc way back, and now toi have none, and just hang on to the memories of back when he could throw k's at the foundatyion.
19:45	mircea_popescu	but, again, why be so evil.
19:45	mircea_popescu	!up kanzure
19:45	assbot	Voicing kanzure for 30 minutes.
19:46	fluffypony	ok bed time for reals now, night
19:46	ThickAsThieves	yeah my intent isnt to be evil so much as to expose it
19:46	mircea_popescu	dont you guys think this guy's wife is like stealing him away from us ?
19:47	mircea_popescu	http://www.republicain-lorrain.fr/meurthe-et-moselle/2014/04/10/le-logiciel-nanceien-qui-securise-le-bitcoin haha good one.
19:48	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves https://twitter.com/jinyoungenglund/status/463101470821605376 << she says they neverannounced one
19:50	ThickAsThieves	hmm
19:50	ThickAsThieves	i never heard of one til it was cancelled
19:50	mircea_popescu	"-Peter, Chief Scientist, Dark Wallet"
19:50	ThickAsThieves	to point to her i guess
19:50	ThickAsThieves	so*
19:50	mircea_popescu	you knoiw, i think i followed you into some sort of very obscure reddit/wikipedia drama.
19:50	mircea_popescu	some darkwallet fork and w/e
19:50	mircea_popescu	!up princessnell
19:50	assbot	Voicing princessnell for 30 minutes.
19:50	ThickAsThieves	lol
19:51	mircea_popescu	so openly admitting that im a totally unhip and out of the loop curmudgeon : da fuck's supposed to be the difference between "a hackathon" and "a start-up challenge" ?
19:51	mircea_popescu	the chick's using them as if they were terms of art. are they ?
19:52	mircea_popescu	i mean i get it, hackathon is that make teams and do a project thing
19:52	mircea_popescu	but a start-up challenge can easily be identical neh ?
19:52	ThickAsThieves	i dunno, i assume no coding is oinvolved in the latter
19:54	mircea_popescu	so like a marketathon ?
19:55	princessnell	rite
19:55	mircea_popescu	o look who;'s there
19:55	benkay	lo, for she speaks
19:55	ThickAsThieves	pitch decks, i bet
19:56	ThickAsThieves	a term you will see more and more in bitcoin world i suspect
19:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00083937 = 13.5139 BTC [-] {3}
19:56	benkay	coding is exclusive, y'assholes
19:56	benkay	gotta make room for the mktdroids
19:57	benkay	'business plans' from people who've never run businesses and cannot plan.
19:57	ThickAsThieves	i started a rough list, please add your Q's or any other suggestions http://devilsadvocate.biz/amsterdam-bitcoin-conferences-quantum-mining-and-the-future/#comment-16
19:57	mircea_popescu	"People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to harness rich women than motorcycle gangs."
19:58	ThickAsThieves	lol
19:58	benkay	mircea_popescu: for them to be terms of art, there'd need to be a field and for that field to have experts.
19:58	mircea_popescu	shush you.
19:58	mircea_popescu	this is the future.
19:59	benkay	i'm an expert at selling bullshit to vc's.
19:59	benkay	fartspert
19:59	benkay	hue hue hue
20:00	benkay	actually told someone 'no, this 10k LOC won't get you all the way to your dream business, but it will get you selling crap online and that'll be enough to raise the remaining 40k to pay us to make the rest of the thing for you' recently.
20:01	bounce	such colourful speech
20:02	mircea_popescu	sounds like the silicon valley of maharashtra.
20:04	benkay	'fart up for less! come to cascadia.'
20:04	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00083899 = 5.1598 BTC [-] {2}
20:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48357 @ 0.00084511 = 40.867 BTC [+] {5}
20:10	ThickAsThieves	lol my wordpress makes me approve my own comments...
20:10	ThickAsThieves	previous link should display now
20:10	bounce	feh, people running ads to implore people to go vote for the eurocircus. the only winning move is to get one of dem euroseats, sign in for the day (for the money) then bugger off immediately.
20:10	mircea_popescu	bounce the only few times i ever wenbt to bruxelles i used to live-in with a friend that did exactly that.
20:13	mircea_popescu	If schools cannot justify differentials in rates of punishment by race or ethnic group, they will face the loss of federal funds and be forced to undertake costly diversity training. The nation's educators can avoid sanctions by adopting a racial quota system for student discipline. So as Roger Clegg, president and general counsel of the Center for Equal Opportunity, predicts, "school officials will either start discip
20:13	mircea_popescu	lining students who shouldn't be, or, more likely, will not discipline some students who ought to be."
20:13	mircea_popescu	funniest thing i read all week.
20:13	mircea_popescu	discipline quotas!
20:13	mircea_popescu	i fucking use this for my own benefit, as it happens. "i've not spanked anyone in a long time, who'd like a red butt ?"
20:16	*	bounce now regrets not cozying up to the local parties to get on the would be lucky free money lists
20:16	bounce	then again, it'd mean campaigning. I'm not that fond of lying through my teeth.
20:16	mircea_popescu	it was like 100k back in 2004ish. muy cheap.
20:17	benkay	someone got run over in this town because they were doing pushups in the middle of the street at 4 am.
20:17	benkay	oh and he was naked.
20:18	benkay	http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Man-doing-naked-pushups-in-Portland-hit-and-killed-by-passing-car-257864941.html
20:18	bounce	roadkill
20:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6139 @ 0.00084805 = 5.2062 BTC [+]
20:19	mircea_popescu	nuts.
20:19	benkay	well it's dinner party o'clock for sane people hereabouts. keep pumping neobee mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmkay?
20:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 212 @ 0.00600152 = 1.2723 BTC [-] {6}
20:20	mircea_popescu	Portland police first received a call at 4:04 a.m. reporting a naked man was running through traffic near Columbia and Portsmouth Ave.
20:20	mircea_popescu	While police were on their way to the scene, they received a call stating that the naked man was now doing pushups in the street.
20:20	mircea_popescu	Still en route, police received a third call reporting that the man had been struck by a vehicle.
20:20	mircea_popescu	ok that was pretty good.
20:21	benkay	nobody can move fast enough to save the retarded and drug addled from theyselves.
20:21	benkay	OKAY IM OUT FOR SRS
20:22	dub	[15:26] --- gesell1 [~gesell@p2003004546563A19D55BF2EA363B137A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #bitcoin-analysis
20:22	dub	[15:29] <gesell1> !up
20:22	dub	[15:29] <gribble> Error: "up" is not a valid command.
20:23	dub	look what you have done
20:23	dub	[15:30] <gesell1> !up
20:23	dub	[15:30] <gribble> Error: "up" is not a valid command.
20:23	dub	[15:31] <gesell1> ?
20:23	mircea_popescu	lol
20:29	cazalla	benkay: we have public safety warnings here in australia to warn people not to sleep on the road
20:29	cazalla	pushups would be an improvement
20:30	cazalla	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qClBRaretEk
		~ 28 minutes ~
20:59	mircea_popescu	ok, am i nuts or does http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/ have a very different icon from http://pool.sks-keyservers.net/ ?
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21:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.07679645 = 3.0719 BTC [+] {5}
21:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.03300109 = 0.363 BTC [-] {2}
21:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00084787 = 1.8653 BTC [-]
21:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.469901 BTC [-]
21:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03225525 = 0.129 BTC [-]
21:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.46577258 = 2.3289 BTC [-] {4}
21:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13443 @ 0.00084504 = 11.3599 BTC [-] {2}
21:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03263302 = 0.3263 BTC [+]
21:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0330011 = 0.33 BTC [+]
21:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 307 @ 0.00084387 = 0.2591 BTC [-]
21:32	mircea_popescu	"Superservitude with an attitude." ahaha great one.
21:32	asciilifeform	!? lol
21:33	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves' twitter acct.
21:33	mircea_popescu	i *think* it's based off some comment of mine from x years ago that being an admin is being a superservant not a superuser.
21:34	asciilifeform	'superservitude' evokes a story. over here in usa, schoolchildren (in many states, mine included) were required to do x hours of 'community service' to graduate
21:34	mircea_popescu	wait what ?!
21:34	mircea_popescu	isn't that a substitute punishment for poor people that can't pay fines ?
21:34	benkay	lol yup
21:34	asciilifeform	one option, riotously funny, was advertised on library wall. 'society against involuntary servitude' (an org run by 'randroids') that... campaigned against community serv. requirements.
21:34	asciilifeform	it counted!
21:35	mircea_popescu	haha cool.
21:35	mircea_popescu	you've gotten nustso socialist over there btw. i mean wtf is this, community service ? i wouldn't have graduated.
21:36	asciilifeform	(what did i do? well, i worked summers in a bio lab. technically unpaid. so, i was golden.)
21:36	asciilifeform	(they had a special arrangement, where you'd get a 'prize' later.)
21:36	mircea_popescu	let teh community service me instead.
21:37	mircea_popescu	"I use "sign" in the widest sense of the definition. It is a wonderful case of an almost popular use of a very broad word in almost the exact sense of the scientific definition." << this may actuallty be the only case where popular use actually coincides with scientific use.
21:37	asciilifeform	punishment for poor people << aye! drive on 'beltway', watch the prison wagens (colourful logo) and their crews, picking up rubbish.
21:38	mircea_popescu	randroids being ayn rand ppls ?
21:38	asciilifeform	aye
21:39	mircea_popescu	i keep learning all these wonderful things.
21:39	asciilifeform	popular name for the folks who go full throttle with ms rand
21:39	mircea_popescu	i also picked up "nrx" today
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21:39	asciilifeform	w'ts that
21:39	mircea_popescu	apparently lulzing @the us contemporary nonsense has a name and an acronym. neoreactionary!
21:39	asciilifeform	aha mr mold's word.
21:40	mircea_popescu	i'm not even reactionary, myself, i've not gotten so far. some visiting french politics professor called me "white"
21:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.0008458 = 1.607 BTC [+]
21:40	mircea_popescu	not to do with skin color, but with this 1500s political divide.
21:41	asciilifeform	to me 'white' still evokes 'white' vs 'red'
21:42	mircea_popescu	well exactly. "pars imperii", and the white rose.
21:42	asciilifeform	lol!
21:42	mircea_popescu	we're talking some heavy 1125 shit here.
21:43	asciilifeform	sure he was french and not herr eco?
21:43	mircea_popescu	nevermind that :p
21:43	asciilifeform	(any u. eco fans here?)
21:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.00084763 = 2.7548 BTC [+] {2}
21:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0330001 = 0.33 BTC [-]
21:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00084805 = 9.795 BTC [+]
21:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.47511 = 0.9502 BTC [+]
21:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00084806 = 11.8728 BTC [+] {2}
22:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.47511 BTC [+]
22:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00084404 = 5.1486 BTC [-] {3}
22:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.46904602 = 2.3452 BTC [-] {4}
22:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.033 = 0.33 BTC [-]
22:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 200 @ 0.0013 = 0.26 BTC [-]
22:39	mike_c	ping ThickAsThieves
22:40	mike_c	you can use http://www.btcalpha.com/bb_ad.png as is if you want.
22:40	mike_c	link it with your ref to the homepage
22:41	mike_c	or wait a few days and I'll have a script that you can include in the page that will link it to the bet it is displaying with your ref address.
22:45	mike_c	ooh, i see the once a month s.mpoe sale is in effect
22:58	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2426 @ 0.00084342 = 2.0461 BTC [-]
22:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.077 = 0.385 BTC [+]
23:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07616 = 0.1523 BTC [-] {2}
23:05	benkay	lol @ mike_c
23:05	benkay	get 'em while they're cheap frrreal
23:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 917 @ 0.00084497 = 0.7748 BTC [+]
23:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07580996 = 0.379 BTC [-] {5}
23:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 80 @ 0.00298124 = 0.2385 BTC [+] {3}
23:13	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00084497 = 7.2667 BTC [+]
23:17	ThickAsThieves	http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/05/04/peer-to-peer-lender-prosper-marketplace-to-get-70-million-in-funding/?mod=WSJBlog
23:17	ozbot	Peer-to-Peer Lender Prosper Marketplace to Get $70 Million in Funding - MoneyBeat - WSJ
23:17	ThickAsThieves	"The investment –seven months after a $25-million infusion by Sequoia Capital, BlackRock and other investors—underscores a growing appetite to fuel a fledgling but fast-growing disintermediation of conventional banking."
23:18	ThickAsThieves	Prosper is basically an old fiat BTCJam
23:18	ThickAsThieves	kinda weird they are now getting two funding deals
23:18	ThickAsThieves	"Prosper has originated more than $1 billion in unsecured personal loans. “We will hit our second billion this year,” Mr. Vermut said."
23:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1283 @ 0.00084497 = 1.0841 BTC [+]
23:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 517 @ 0.00084538 = 0.4371 BTC [+]
23:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00084538 = 2.5784 BTC [+]
23:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 103 @ 0.00120693 = 0.1243 BTC [-] {3}
23:41	artifexd	kakobrekla: What is this? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-05-2014#659679
23:42	artifexd	mircea_popescu: The look the same to me. WRT http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2014#660093
23:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]

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