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01:07 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: seen any of the hbo show 'westworld'?
~ 5 hours 19 minutes ~
06:26 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes have not.
06:26 mircea_popescu i've watched about a half hour of tv total since seinfeld.
06:28 mircea_popescu why the fuck is va' fa'n culo spelled as one word with a double f ? cosi fan' tutte is not cosiffantutte ?
~ 44 minutes ~
07:12 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2016/тошно/#comment-117990 << in commentary to the recent and inexplicable fire in sf.
~ 38 minutes ~
07:50 deedbot http://deedbot.org/bundle-441992.txt
07:52 mircea_popescu in other news/lulz, http://www.lincolnks.org/Housing.html << apparently a lot of places in kansas and around kansas that have this free housing plots giveaway thing
~ 29 minutes ~
08:22 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F764EC5736FA3782A599FBBAE8F5867BD66D04EED4A2579F7282CE6453F80839 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1767...4719 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.211.231.129 (ssh-rsa key from 195.211.231.129 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown UA)
~ 31 minutes ~
08:53 mircea_popescu !!up walter__
08:53 deedbot walter__ voiced for 30 minutes.
08:54 walter__ phf, what's special about 2005 ThinkPads?
08:55 mircea_popescu !#s thinkpad
08:55 a111 83 results for "thinkpad", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=thinkpad
08:55 mircea_popescu ^ subject of some discussion, he didn't come up with it.
08:55 walter__ reading logs I found some mentions of exactly "2005" thinkpads but cannot see why
08:56 walter__ those are X32 and X41 according to thinkwiki
09:02 mircea_popescu walter__ the 2005 was just a reference to something i mentioned, iirc in a discussion with asciilifeform ; it's not an exact date (fwiw i use ts etc). but the idea is - a laptop which runs with no binaries whatsoever.
09:02 mircea_popescu which turns out to be a much higher bar than the general population realises, and experimentally reduces to the various thinkpads of the end of ibm / start of lenovo era.
09:02 mircea_popescu famously rms claims to have been using one ; which claim was meanwhile experimentally falsified here.
09:03 walter__ if it's about Libreboot then the "last one" is X200 of 2008
09:04 walter__ although according to asciilifeform Libreboot can burn the machine
09:04 mircea_popescu libreboot dun really work as advertised
09:04 mircea_popescu anyway, that's what "2005" means in this context, "when lenovo got the brand".
09:05 walter__ makes sense, thanks
09:05 mircea_popescu np.
09:05 walter__ my other guess was the idea was to hunt the last machine with a CPU without microcode updates
09:05 walter__ but that would be going even further back in history
09:05 mircea_popescu those were probably pre-2000
09:05 mircea_popescu aha
09:05 walter__ pre-2000, exactly
09:06 walter__ considering the horrible situation with x86 laptops I wonder if Asus C201 (again from the Libreboot compatibility list) is "the cure"
09:06 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B674E2825B44E246236C59D5355D436337B35CD9F2730E1F37B0EBFF0962F8B4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1767...4719 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.211.228.84 (ssh-rsa key from 195.211.228.84 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown UA)
09:06 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F764EC5736FA3782A599FBBAE8F5867BD66D04EED4A2579F7282CE6453F80839 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1767...4719 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.211.231.129 (ssh-rsa key from 195.211.231.129 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown UA)
09:07 mircea_popescu feel free to do some investigative work and report
09:07 mircea_popescu in which vein, register a key first.
09:08 walter__ PGP? Where does one 'register'?
09:08 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-27#1573643 << working example
09:08 a111 Logged on 2016-11-27 23:41 DontCryRebuy: !!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Z9EM8/?raw=true
09:09 mircea_popescu may want to de-__ your name first if you actually own "walter"
09:10 walter__ I don't. Too late to freenode short names party
09:11 mircea_popescu no biggy.
09:24 mircea_popescu also in which vein, see the discussion re busybox and the complete trb machine tmsr created for deployment on pogos (and the whole discussion with pogos) ; also perhaps of interest the failure to create a useful gentoo and so forth.
09:24 mircea_popescu we really should systematize the "box verification" thing, with a view to actually certify hardware configurations.
09:26 mircea_popescu afaik the pogo is to date the only tmsr-certified digital computer.
09:28 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> why the fuck is va' fa'n culo spelled as one word with a double f ? cosi fan' tutte is not cosiffantutte ? << ty fxd
09:28 mircea_popescu no no, it is CORRECTLY spelled with double f
09:29 mircea_popescu i just don't grasp the logic is all.
09:31 BingoBoingo copied fro Italian populist propaganda
09:33 BingoBoingo 5 star movement
09:48 mircea_popescu !!up walter
09:48 deedbot walter voiced for 30 minutes.
09:49 BingoBoingo As seen https://it-it.facebook.com/Vaffanculo-Movimento-Cinque-Stelle-168525813302445/
09:49 walter mindread :). Thanks for the links, I'll dig the logs for the topics
09:49 mircea_popescu check it out, you weren't late to the party after all ?
09:50 mircea_popescu anyway, register key, can then self-voice.
09:50 walter no, 'walter' is registered. I need to come up with a sane available nick
09:50 mircea_popescu normally freenote boots you off others' names.
09:50 mircea_popescu i guess it must not have nick enforcing turned on
09:50 walter and then somehow to generate a key _properly_
09:51 BingoBoingo Freenode isn't deterministic enough to have a "normal" way of doing anything.
09:51 mircea_popescu down with the patriarchy.
09:51 BingoBoingo Up with the CasualBoner-Archy
09:52 BingoBoingo More fathering, less fatherhood!
09:54 mircea_popescu in which vein, /me watched a half hour of something last night, because i tried to do a christina applegate retrospective. holy shit that girl has been in all the shitty snl derivative crap. how do these idiots even live, how do they get out of bed ? that ben affleck imbecile, he's like baudoinia, blackening the walls of anywhere alcohol is customarily found. unfunny as cancer, stupid as broken shoelaces, ubiquitous as a sac
09:54 mircea_popescu fungus.
09:55 mircea_popescu anyway, this thing had drew barrymore playing a 31yo intern (who, of course, was also a stanford graduate, and worshipped the new york SENTINEL! under the pretense that the new york times is you know, more than http://trilema.com/2016/тошно/#comment-119992 ).
09:57 mircea_popescu total fucking casual-boner-archy that thing, and utterly unwatchable. i used to mock romanians a decade ago as "o populatie cu mize mici" ie, a population with low stakes. but lawds have mercy, the hopes, aspirations, projects and projections of the contemporaneous ustard (stanford grad & waitress-journaho) barely cover a used bottlecap.
09:59 mircea_popescu (alf would have liked this one, the rats live so closely packed they have cultural constructs re intramural participation in sexual congress - the woman is offended but subverts it as normalcy. OF FUCKING COURSE the "next door neighbour" would play music to go with our intimate discussions. this is soviet america and the walls are thin!)
10:00 BingoBoingo lol
10:01 BingoBoingo Brb, cutting wood
10:02 * asciilifeform reads uniturd thread, wtf, barfamatic
10:02 asciilifeform i can't believe you folx wasted whole hour on that
10:02 mircea_popescu well after wasting a coupla hours off everyone, it finally went away.
10:03 asciilifeform in other noose,
10:03 asciilifeform [10649280.876256] tty_check_change: tty->pgrp == NULL!
10:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform at first it looked like possibly a stack smash somewhere in there.
10:03 asciilifeform last time had this line on jan. 16th
10:03 asciilifeform ahahaha that would be mighty lulzy.
10:04 mircea_popescu ikr?
10:05 mircea_popescu asciilifeform if you care hurley removed that cca 2015.
10:06 mircea_popescu [PATCH 1/3] tty: Combine SIGTTOU/SIGTTIN handling
10:07 * asciilifeform to no one's great surprise, i imagine, has a somewhat dr.mengele kernel
10:09 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-05#1577731 << 1) they boot with 'linuxbios' sans blobs 2) no intel ME or other fritzchip
10:09 a111 Logged on 2016-12-05 13:54 walter__: phf, what's special about 2005 ThinkPads?
10:10 asciilifeform i will also add that buildable source code for circa-2005 (and possibly slightly later) 'ami'-brand bios actually leaked.
10:11 walter wow
10:11 mircea_popescu aha.
10:11 walter where can I get it?
10:11 asciilifeform walter: junkyard
10:12 walter I mean the leaked bios source
10:12 asciilifeform hmm...
10:12 mircea_popescu iirc it was the uefi signing key that leaked
10:12 mircea_popescu as in, you can replace their fw with your own
10:13 mircea_popescu o no nm, whole orchestra :
10:13 mircea_popescu http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/ftp.jetway.com.tw
10:13 mircea_popescu http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/ftp.jetway.com.tw/CODE/
10:14 asciilifeform http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/ami.rar
10:15 mircea_popescu even better.
10:16 asciilifeform sha512 : d0dab859fed77c75087fc0ad012a521e81db59331fcea98373784f2be6b6aefdad2672735dd89a24c01a649ce8dd4e57097da2d96489fa9c1840795dd7374b41
10:17 asciilifeform 13337w4r3z!111
10:18 mircea_popescu anyway ; what i linked above is a period scrape of the original website (the way this leak worked was the whole pile was found on a poorly secured taiwan server of jetway) ; the mmnt.net site generally has all sorts of useful things.
10:18 asciilifeform !!up walter
10:18 deedbot walter voiced for 30 minutes.
10:18 walter amazing
10:19 walter if the source was distributed to various manufacturers then there are so many possible leak channels
10:19 mircea_popescu which gives me the idea to email aygi.
10:19 asciilifeform who's that
10:20 mircea_popescu guy running the mmnt thing
10:21 mircea_popescu russki iirc.
10:21 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-05#1577762 << gentoo is in the sad place where it is because of 'portage' (the thing that attempts to automagically download tarballs of source and build deps in the correct order) , and the decay of the entire ecosystem of buildables, which isn't strictly to do with gentoo per se
10:21 a111 Logged on 2016-12-05 14:24 mircea_popescu: also in which vein, see the discussion re busybox and the complete trb machine tmsr created for deployment on pogos (and the whole discussion with pogos) ; also perhaps of interest the failure to create a useful gentoo and so forth.
10:22 asciilifeform if you remove 'portage', you have, magic!111, working gentoo. but it is then ~same as just generic linux a la my pogo build.
10:22 asciilifeform and not gentoo at all.
10:23 asciilifeform it is not, for example, the fault of gentoo authors, that rms became a living mushroom and lifted not one finger to keep emacs from demanding dbus
10:23 walter by 'linuxbios' sans blobs you mean Libreboot or something else?
10:23 mircea_popescu no, linuxbios, it's a thing.
10:23 asciilifeform walter: it is known as 'coreboot' today
10:24 mircea_popescu aha.
10:24 asciilifeform walter: 'libreboot' was/is a fork where some parasite stole and rebranded the thing
10:24 mircea_popescu though with the whole "transsexual" derpage, i dunno how much anyone cares.
10:24 mircea_popescu right.
10:25 asciilifeform coreboot, last i saw, largely consists of some sad folks sitting and being sad, because it works on 0 cpus presently sold, and on account of quite deliberate sabotage by intel and amd.
10:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://www.mmnt.ru/ << ftp indexer/searcher. not entirely useless.
10:25 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha, like the old finnish ftp search
10:25 mircea_popescu yes.
10:25 asciilifeform you can find surprising things even today by scanning for ftp
10:25 mircea_popescu actually from the period also, iirc.
10:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you're telling me ? i was in the phuctor team that found weak ssh keys back in my youth!
10:26 mircea_popescu i'll have you know, mr.!
10:26 asciilifeform lol aha!
10:26 mircea_popescu kids today i swear.
10:29 mircea_popescu http://www.cxemateka.ru/ << o look, there's also a schematics dump
10:29 mircea_popescu may want to mirror.
10:30 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-05#1577731 << also 2005 (if you search the logs knowing what you're looking for) is a stand in for "decade of tail end of somewhat sane computing". linux on desktop hasn't wrecked the ecosystem yet, apple is selling unix boxes (and not phones), ibm is selling professional laptops, no reddit, no smartphone culture, no facebook, etc.
10:30 a111 Logged on 2016-12-05 13:54 walter__: phf, what's special about 2005 ThinkPads?
10:30 mircea_popescu aha.
10:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: cxemateka seems to host a bunch of winblowz driver rubbish ?
10:32 asciilifeform i see 0 schematics
10:34 mircea_popescu you're right huh. i guess my russian is a little... approximative.
10:34 walter cannot download anything from http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/ftp.jetway.com.tw/CODE/ because it links to the original FTP server
10:34 phf was also sort of a lul after adjustment and recovery from the eternal september, i.e. aol of '96 and yahoo of '99. i think we are now in the aftermath of the second wave of the eternal september
10:35 asciilifeform '3rd wave' will be when they get subsaharan africa on the net via 'google translate', perhaps
10:35 phf which happened when people born close or on 1990 became sufficiently aware to start wrecking havoc around 2015 or so, outside of their 2005 ghettos (like myspace, etc.)
10:35 asciilifeform or farm animals.
10:35 mircea_popescu meh. this whole thing looks like it was gutted meanwhile.
10:36 mircea_popescu dude...
10:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: afaik this thing was exactly like finnish ftp search
10:36 asciilifeform i.e. it did not cache files, just linked
10:36 mircea_popescu fucking bullshit.
10:36 asciilifeform (caching was cost-prohibitive)
10:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i am pretty sure that the one actually had cache and the other had more than a dozen items last i looked. but that was a while ago.
10:37 mircea_popescu anyway, sorry about it, what can i say.
10:37 asciilifeform if there was such a thing, asciilifeform never saw it
10:37 asciilifeform but lol, why didja think i posted the ami.rar.
10:37 asciilifeform it's the whole thing iirc.
10:38 walter btw thanks for the ami.rar. The hash matches, although it hangs my unpacker. Looking.
10:38 mircea_popescu also could we use gz like sane people and wtf is this rar bs.
10:38 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it was as-found.
10:38 mircea_popescu yes i know scene friendly, but rar was a fucking stupid idea even in oslo 1990.
10:39 asciilifeform for all i know, d00d specifically wants the attempted infector in that rar!!111
10:39 mircea_popescu heh
10:40 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-05#1577727 << this is actually not uncommon in usa. the catch is that typically such 'freebies' come with encumberments.
10:40 a111 Logged on 2016-12-05 12:52 mircea_popescu: in other news/lulz, http://www.lincolnks.org/Housing.html << apparently a lot of places in kansas and around kansas that have this free housing plots giveaway thing
10:40 walter so what is 'coreboot' sans blobs, if not Libreboot? Any competing projects?
10:40 asciilifeform (can't sell before x years, can't resell for > 1.something * what you bought for, can't build >1 story, etc)
10:40 mircea_popescu honest toil and honest cunning.
10:41 asciilifeform walter: what is your kitchen sink minus last night's coffee grounds ? is it identical to mine ?
10:42 walter em.. sorry? A working kitchen sink?
10:42 mircea_popescu walter the scheme here proposed is that a project (linuxbios) which was useful on account of actually having drivers for extant hardware was killed by hardware maker conspiracy. on its now useless ruins, as it's dead, an idiot with a "sexual identity" political agenda tried to build a grassroot activism thing called libreboot ; and some unrelated packrats with a penchant for software try to build a cluttered warehouse called
10:42 mircea_popescu coreboot.
10:43 mircea_popescu none of the three items are functional for the stated reasons.
10:44 asciilifeform walter: afaik the last chip that worked 100% correctly on 'coreboot' was amd G-series 'APU'.
10:44 asciilifeform it is theoretically still in production, but every vendor i know of will attempt to bait-and-switch and spuriously substitute the 2015-and-post revision that will NOT.
10:44 asciilifeform see thread:
10:44 asciilifeform !#s apu2
10:44 a111 16 results for "apu2", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=apu2
10:45 asciilifeform !#s gizmoboard
10:46 a111 0 results for "gizmoboard", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=gizmoboard
10:46 asciilifeform hm
10:46 mircea_popescu you want
10:46 mircea_popescu !#s "gizmo"
10:46 a111 350 results for "\"gizmo\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22gizmo%22
10:46 mircea_popescu cuz "gizmo1" and bs.
10:46 asciilifeform partly, yes.
10:47 mircea_popescu aha.
10:47 walter thanks for explainig. So it's even worse than I thought.
10:47 asciilifeform anyway there were two and afaik exactly two makers of pc-compatible boards with the last, magical, amd g-series, and shipped full schematics.
10:47 asciilifeform 'pcengines apu1'
10:47 asciilifeform and 'gizmo-board'
10:47 asciilifeform (forget who made the latter)
10:47 walter pcengines! Seen one box personally
10:48 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's been 2.0'd meanwhile : http://www.gizmosphere.org/
10:48 asciilifeform apu2 also theoretically boots with coreboot (there is no, incidentally, any other kind of bios available for it ) but it has a fritz chip and you cannot switch it off
10:49 mircea_popescu is it localized ?
10:49 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i have that one in the room where i am now, it actually has the working cpu
10:49 * mircea_popescu would pay for an apu2 board to be destroyed if anyone wants to drill the fritz and report what happens.
10:49 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what means 'localized' ? it's the usual nsa core on cpu die
10:49 asciilifeform !!up walter
10:49 deedbot walter voiced for 30 minutes.
10:49 mircea_popescu as in do you know where to drill
10:49 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you'd have to drill with electron beam
10:49 asciilifeform and somehow put the top layer back on after that...
10:49 mircea_popescu meh.
10:50 asciilifeform vlsi fritzchipping ftw!1111
10:50 mircea_popescu incidentally, some sort of resonator "drill" bit for cpus would be good to have
10:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this is commercially available
10:50 phf acid?
10:50 asciilifeform !#s ion beam
10:50 a111 18 results for "ion beam", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ion%20beam
10:50 asciilifeform they are used by well-funded reversers to do equiv. of 'cut this-here wire'
10:51 phf aah
10:52 asciilifeform and have been available for long enough that chip makers began, long ago, to bury 'interesting' wires under layers
10:52 mircea_popescu aha.
10:52 asciilifeform when 'moore's law' finally croaked, they switched to 'improvements' like this.
10:52 mircea_popescu yes but the laws of the universe guarantee this can not be done well.
10:53 mircea_popescu whether it can be done well enough is another matter of course.
10:53 asciilifeform depends what means 'done well enough'
10:53 mircea_popescu myeah.
10:54 asciilifeform if you want to reverse the chip, theoretically 10,000,001 units of same chip and a microtome, is enough
10:54 mircea_popescu no i mean, the "hiding" can't be done well.
10:54 asciilifeform the mechanism in question here isn't even hidden, we know the rsa pubkey
10:54 asciilifeform it is even in phuctor...
10:55 mircea_popescu myeah.
11:01 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-04#1577712 << this is potentially neat
11:01 a111 Logged on 2016-12-04 23:38 mats: oops, this is actually the one i was looking at https://m.alibaba.com/product/60555752827/ESP8266-ESP8266EX-Wifi-Chip-with-SDIO.html?spm=a2706.7843299.1998817009.5.p7nmiv
11:01 asciilifeform anyone here -- bought ?
11:01 asciilifeform mats ?
11:02 walter fchipsource@outlook.com looks promising
11:04 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-04#1577566 << quite possibly his /dev/random is connected to keyboard noise etc.
11:04 a111 Logged on 2016-12-04 11:46 jurov: ben_vulpes what is that? You were dumping /dev/random for 48 days straight and got only 8MB data?
11:04 asciilifeform so -- mega-unsurprise
11:04 asciilifeform the folx who got 100MB/sec from /dev/random were the mac people, and it leads me to suspect that theirs is in fact == to /dev/urandom
11:05 asciilifeform if on hardware level
11:05 asciilifeform (iirc it is connected straight to intel's RDRAND)
11:06 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-04#1577526 << iirc if you were to actually measure OUTPUT horsepower on the shaft, the performance is about that of a steam engine...
11:06 a111 Logged on 2016-12-04 05:39 mircea_popescu: http://www.niquette.com/books/sophmag/bourke.htm << for the engine-vs-thermodynamics afficionados. you surely heard of the famous bourke engine (2 two-stokes placed in a cross, with a double scottish yoke driving the shaft).
11:06 asciilifeform (and the thing vibrates and destroys anything you might mount it on)
11:07 mircea_popescu asciilifeform aha, linked for historical lulz. nice description of how that went.
11:07 asciilifeform it is rather like to say 'i will light match and convert energy of petrol to heat 100%)
11:07 asciilifeform ^ that ain't an engine
11:08 asciilifeform i collect stories like this, incidentally, because it is the #1 occupational hazard of inventing -- to 'fall in love with idea' and end up a sad basketcase, pons&fleischmanning your way into the bottle
11:09 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-04#1577534 << the petrol engine is not well impedance-matched with anything, even auto wheels on asphalt ! hence the 'hybrids' thing
11:09 a111 Logged on 2016-12-04 06:08 mircea_popescu: the odd truth is that electric engines are much better at small and high loads. the combustion engine has it's niche, but it's strictly car sized.
11:10 asciilifeform (which are exactly 'diesel-electric train' and submarine, but in miniature)
11:10 mircea_popescu incidentally in physics calorimetry experiments are notorious for this "one crazy datapoint" presentation of experimental data ; so much so that ro unis taught defensive experimental physics skills on calorimetry.
11:10 asciilifeform aha.
11:11 mircea_popescu which illustrates the fundamental problem with "self taught" or otherwise ignorant practitioners - every single fucking kid with an undegraduate degree from ro would have told the idiots that "oh, calorimetry ? and you got an outlier ? lolzk."
11:11 mircea_popescu but they... they went to utah or w/e the fuck, and so never actually went to school,
11:11 mircea_popescu and so never actually got this passive "common trunk" "common sense" sort of knowledge about their chosen profession.
11:12 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-05#1188842 << see also
11:12 a111 Logged on 2015-07-05 23:53 asciilifeform: or that other thread, which i can't seem to find, where we spoke of how 'maths wot is not essential for being published, but for even having publishable ideas instead of burning your life on fibonacci sequences or some other solved/irrelevant dead end'
11:12 mircea_popescu yes.
11:13 mircea_popescu or in the original greek, ὦ νέοι, ~ἀλλὰ μάχεσθε~ παρ’ ἀλλήλοισι μένοντες,
11:15 mircea_popescu alliloisi fucking menontes, there's passive strength in the formation.
11:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'engine crackpots' such as they are found today, typically have not even heard of such a thing as calorimeter, because it is not sold in 'home despot'
11:16 asciilifeform they measure with analogue amperemeter, etc.
11:17 asciilifeform and unfailingly produce 'OVERUNITY!!111' lulz
11:17 mircea_popescu the calorimeter incidentally is a fine illustration / symbol of science altogether.
~ 30 minutes ~
11:47 asciilifeform in other lulz, very far away, 'Autodesk will stop the sale of perpetual licences of all its software on January 31st, 2017. The purchase of new licences by both new and existing customers will only be available by subscription after that date. ... Why is Autodesk transitioning to subscription licences? Subscription licences offer customers a lower entry price, greater choice of tools and the ability to pay-as-you-go. With its shift a
11:47 asciilifeform way from selling perpetual rights to use a specific version of software, Autodesk will continually innovate and improve products and supporting services that customers subscribe to, allowing access from multiple devices at any time, making them easier to deploy and manage, and reducing file compatibility issues.' ( http://damassets.autodesk.net/content/dam/autodesk/www/campaigns/mfg-perpetual/end-of-perpetual-customer-faqs.pdf )
11:49 mircea_popescu ie, autodesk is about to go bankrupt.
11:49 asciilifeform might already be
11:49 asciilifeform though no shortage of printolade
11:50 asciilifeform e.g., they bought (probably to annihilate) cadsoft, the maker of the ONE usable electronic cad proggy for linux
11:50 mircea_popescu linux whores are notoriously cheap.
11:50 asciilifeform (in case anyone 'missed the memo' : open sores cad is a sad, sad joke. and no, i dun care if this does not sit well with somebody. it is -- a fact.)
11:50 mircea_popescu (and no - there are no whore exceptions. anyone involved in "open source" etc is a whore.)
11:51 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: cadsoft was a 1990s-style traditional software co., nothing open about it
11:51 asciilifeform just happened to ship a linux binary, was all.
11:51 asciilifeform (statically-linked)
11:52 asciilifeform sorta like what i picture, e.g., eulora, looking like, if mircea_popescu sold it for money
11:52 asciilifeform incidentally 'subscription license' also means 'forget airgap' in case it wasn't obvious
11:54 asciilifeform in fact, we had thread a while back re: how certain industrial equipment is now also 'subscription-only', has satellite dish and gets fresh firmware from mothership each day etc.
11:54 mircea_popescu i can't even recall who was in cadsoft prior to sale.
11:54 asciilifeform cadsoft was a tiny german thing
11:54 asciilifeform made a proggy called 'eagle cad'
11:54 mircea_popescu right.
11:55 mircea_popescu apparently nobody knows key people/history for cadsoft computer gmbh
11:55 mircea_popescu it may not have existed, alf!
11:55 phf (cadsoft used to make EAGLE, which is sort of a goto cad tool for people on linux)
11:55 asciilifeform iirc it itself was a holding co. and bought the proggy elsewhere.
11:55 mircea_popescu no, i know. say names.
11:55 asciilifeform long, long ago.
11:55 mircea_popescu right.
11:55 asciilifeform phf: it is used for 100% of my designs.
11:56 asciilifeform phf: i tried 'kikad', geda, etc. NONE OF THESE AUTOROUT FOR MOTHERCFUCKSSSAKE
11:56 asciilifeform fucktards, for all of the man-hours on gui idiocy, SOMEONE could have implemented sane autorout?!
11:56 asciilifeform but no.
11:57 phf same, though i was told by experienced cad people "autorouting is trash" early on, but soon discovered that they mean "for the purposes of my giant multiboard layout" not "everything that you'll be touching for the next 10 years of your learning"
11:57 asciilifeform it is trash in the sense that it is physically impossible to autorout 100% of board
11:57 asciilifeform (np-complete)
11:57 mircea_popescu autoruting beats hand routing much like google beats sedol.
11:57 asciilifeform aha.
11:57 mircea_popescu just, gotta put work in, and nobody wants to.
11:57 asciilifeform it is meant to be a tool in the hands of a man, is not a man-replacing robotic thing
11:57 asciilifeform power tool
11:58 mircea_popescu because it is A LOT of work for something everyone decided is "a small matter" in advance.
11:58 asciilifeform kikad is developed by, i decided, malicious tards
11:58 asciilifeform who decided that it is somehow acceptable for schematic entry and pcb layout to be separated programs
11:58 asciilifeform and for the outputs to be unsynchronized.
11:59 asciilifeform and for the motherfucking gui to NOT REDRAW CORRECTLY ON LINUX unless PRESS REFRESH KEY!
11:59 asciilifeform i shit thee not.
11:59 mircea_popescu because that's a key ingredient of "i just want to" - deciding various arbitrary bits (especially ones the jwz doesn't well understand) are "small matter". which decision then drives poor resource allocation and is the deep reason for the festering morass of unsolved problems that should have been ; while tons of herbivores run around "revolutionizing" things that needn't on the shaky in reality but strong in perception found
11:59 mircea_popescu ation of you know... all the "Solved problems" that aren't.
12:00 asciilifeform aha, open-sores in 1 paragraph.
12:01 phf asciilifeform: i thought maybe the design was some historic artifact, but no, none of the cads i looked at (including fucking cmu's NS, which is probably first or second cad in existence) had that split.
12:02 mircea_popescu so you know, "autorouting" is "a small matter" and "a solved problem" except in reality it's exactly something to be solved via "artificial intelligence" as understood today, ie, mega-matrix of mostly 0 parameter running a markov process.
12:02 asciilifeform classical 'a*' search
12:02 mircea_popescu yes.
12:02 mircea_popescu anyway - certainly a very valid place for any spinoza in attendance to apply his next years.
12:05 mircea_popescu fror bonus points - steal google's go playing ai and modify it. the problem of routing is grid-discretizable.
12:05 asciilifeform phf: i put in the sweat, actually learned to use geda, it is imho an acceptable design, and i found plenty of complicated items purportedly having been designed with it, but it is BROKEN, the autorouter blew open polygons
12:05 asciilifeform so i have nfi, perhaps the published designs were made with megatonnes of compensatory undergrad sweat...
12:06 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: google (or rather, the firm it bought) had 0 original ai. it was 1990s-era techniques, they simply licensed the code and threw iron at it
12:06 asciilifeform INCIDENTALLY afaik the thing ~WAS~ a 'deepblue' scam
12:06 asciilifeform other pro players have been indefinitely delaywanked when asked to play afaik.
12:07 asciilifeform *when they asked
12:07 asciilifeform ('deepblue scan' does not mean 'human committee played'... means that the playing was done the same way as asciilifeform does pcb autorouting.)
12:08 asciilifeform *scam
12:08 mircea_popescu be that as it may, the conceptual item solves two major open questions here in tmsr forum : a) "why is this proggy 100mb ?!?" "because it has 100mn datapoints in the ai massager, let it be" ; b) "why does this proggy want to call home ?" "because whenever you accept a design and put it in production, all other installations want to review the datapoint, it's valuable."
12:09 asciilifeform if i wanted this kind of 'program', i'd buy a cow
12:09 asciilifeform or rather, cow-sized amoeba turd
12:09 mircea_popescu the problem of pcb routing will be solved by cow brains in jars or your own brain in jars. pick.
12:09 asciilifeform nothx.
12:09 asciilifeform right now it gets solved to my satisfaction on a modest pc box.
12:09 mircea_popescu if it were satisfaction you wouldn't bitch now woudl you.
12:10 mircea_popescu anyway. management considers the solution available no sort of solution.
12:10 asciilifeform well, once one of us is locked in a room and fully reverses 'eagle', it's solved-solved.
12:10 mircea_popescu i dunno eagle worked for large enough boards.
12:10 asciilifeform well-cracked eagle works for arbitrary-sized boards
12:10 mircea_popescu (recall your "array of fpgas" thing ?)
12:10 asciilifeform and besides wtf you route them in SECTIONS
12:11 mircea_popescu maybe.
12:11 asciilifeform see, there is considerable 'violinist' work involved.
12:11 mircea_popescu i think this is a pretty open question.
12:11 mircea_popescu ie, how much and what kind of violonist is involved in the hardware making of future.
12:11 mircea_popescu re wiring specifically.
12:12 asciilifeform unless someone coughts up a p==np -- some.
12:12 mircea_popescu no argument there.
12:13 mircea_popescu will be some.
12:13 phf also depends if we're still putting out massive interdependent designs, as opposed to some modular architectures like greenarrays or scheme81 or
12:14 asciilifeform 'collectivist' cad that won't run on airgapped box or in martian death capsule, is a lol.
12:14 mircea_popescu yes but the bitch is you can't actually know.
12:14 mircea_popescu this isn't one of those "X is better".
12:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform not a matter of "won't run". your gf runs in the bedroom just as well as woman runs in gangbang party.
12:14 mircea_popescu except she won't be learning any new tricks.
12:15 asciilifeform oblig here is y. kreinin's article on 'computers you can't program'
12:15 asciilifeform 'do you want a comp or an electric best friend'
12:15 asciilifeform !#s computers you can't program
12:15 a111 6 results for "computers you can't program", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=computers%20you%20can't%20program
12:19 mircea_popescu phf check out how that breaks ^
12:22 asciilifeform btw the 'array of fpgas' thing is getting made, as soon as i'm satisfied that lattice 'ice' is ~actually~ reversed. and not simply 'kicad'-ed.
12:22 phf erc also parses the url incorrectly, but ' is a valid character in url..
12:22 mircea_popescu i think at some point you signed up for pain.
12:24 mircea_popescu anyway at some point drop the link to the actual yosefk article you wanted to reference asciilifeform .
12:24 phf i believe that was around the time i started reading asciilifeform
12:24 asciilifeform oh yes, it was misnamed article,
12:25 mircea_popescu fwiw, while ' may be valid, trilema's title-to-url parser helpfully nukes it.
12:25 asciilifeform http://yosefk.com/blog/high-level-cpu-follow-up.html
12:26 mircea_popescu (or in other words - the notion that unicode invented shitsoup is nonsense ; we had idiots before we had water pistol glyphs)
12:27 mircea_popescu and btw, today was an epic log day. everyone's in great form apparently. monday people.
12:27 asciilifeform https://www.embeddedrelated.com/showarticle/988.php << recent lul by same author
12:27 asciilifeform ( https://archive.is/L25Vc )
12:30 asciilifeform '$100 says your DRAM chip works. The DRAM chip is a mindless slave implementing precise commands by the DRAM controller on the master chip, without any feedback - there are no retries, no negotiation, no way to say you're sorry. And no software will run properly on faulty DRAM. Faulty DRAM isn't a marketable product. Your board is definitely buggy. They told you they checked signal integrity, but they lied. If DRAM malfunctions, it's
12:30 asciilifeform probably the board, or the boot code programming DRAM-related components in a way that doesn't work on this board.'
12:33 asciilifeform 'A chip can have 2 processors with 8-byte buses each, going to a DRAM giving you 16 bytes per cycle, through a shared 8-byte-per-cycle bottleneck. This interconnect is the handiwork of some time-starved dude on the chip maker's team, armed with an interconnect-generating tool. Even such an idiotic issue will manifest on some benchmarks but not others, and might not get caught at design time. And if you think that is stupid, I've hear
12:33 asciilifeform d of a level 2 cache which never actually cached anything, and this fact happily went unnoticed for a few months. '
12:36 mircea_popescu you skipped the good part, which is : "If you are indeed a chip maker, this is when you find out why fabless chip companies are worth so much more than the equally fabless vendors of "IPs" such as CPUs and DRAM controllers.".
12:36 mircea_popescu the probnlem of pricing in technology is indeed large.
12:37 asciilifeform the 'konsoomer' wrecked the entire field, and it is not clear to asciilifeform that it can be unwrecked with current tech.
12:37 mircea_popescu nor is it clear that without the konsoomer the field would be asciilifeform-accessible anymore than hillary's hairy snatch or the satellite launching programme.
12:38 asciilifeform oh that part is screamingly obvious
12:38 mircea_popescu bears a mention now an' again :[
12:38 mircea_popescu :p i mean.
12:38 asciilifeform i'll point out that konrad zuse built a very acceptable comp out of junk discarded by nazi germany, in mother's kitchen.
12:38 asciilifeform but no one will play 'doom' on it, no.
12:39 mircea_popescu myeah. oldest programming language too.
12:40 mircea_popescu plankalkul.
12:40 asciilifeform and as for asciilifeform , he had moar phun on sov 'mk-61' programmable calc, with ~100 bytes of volatile memory, than on pretty much anything since.
12:43 asciilifeform re konsoomer, dan mocsny had analogy involving a pub, where the 'normal' folx mock the drunks, without realizing that the pub could not exist in anything like its present form without their open wallets
12:43 mircea_popescu not so. it couldn't exist IN THAT STUPID CULTURE. but in better culture, kvas.
12:44 asciilifeform well yes
12:44 mircea_popescu and this is broadly the point - to transition to better culture.
12:44 asciilifeform 'better culture' does not even have to be 'cpu costs as boeing'. can be, e.g., 'cpu costs as cessna'
12:45 mircea_popescu it could be cpu costs a dime or a testicle, the issue of price is ulterior in this discussion, makes about as much sense as "the utilty of the sun"
12:45 asciilifeform shorthand
12:45 mircea_popescu sun preexists any definition of utility. yes shorthand, but shorthand for nonsense.
12:45 asciilifeform for 'not financed by 100,000,001 idjits buying lolcatron for month's pay
12:46 mircea_popescu it really is a null pointer reference.
12:46 asciilifeform i disagree. if you remove the lolcat users, you get 10,000x unit cost. unless you have martian tech we'd all like to know about.
12:47 mircea_popescu if you change the culture, none of your symbols in there are meaningful anymore.
12:47 asciilifeform expand plox
12:48 mircea_popescu let's work on the drunk dudes in pub construction.
12:49 mircea_popescu in the english world, where drunks and pubs exist, and the observation re pubs existing because drunks, not because sunday drinkers holds, there are a number of objects defined, such as the fact that a pub is really a public house (which is relevant if for instance you wonder why it should need or want a permit to exist).
12:49 mircea_popescu in the russian world, where drunks do exist, but the drinking place (which is NOT a pub, even if translated as such because what you gonna do) is supported by a social conventionthat has nothing to do with drunkedness
12:49 asciilifeform ^ the charitable interpretation might be that some of its operating costs are externalized
12:50 asciilifeform and yes.
12:50 mircea_popescu the removal of drunks doesn't have anything to do whatsoever with "pubs" and also "a drunk" is not the same drunk.
12:50 mircea_popescu so : if you change the convention, your objects become undefined. what's "a processor" ?
12:51 mircea_popescu "the place where you drink" or "the public house" aka "brothel", ie, the place where disorderly (as per anglican/puritan definitions of order) is tolerated, ie, a tolerance house ?
12:52 asciilifeform which is why i said 'martian tech we'd like to know about.' so, if mircea_popescu knows how to 'undo vlsi' and mass-manufacture individual transistors again, instead of cpu, and put'em together how he likes ~later~, and have result resemble pentium more than univac -- then, for instance, yes, cultural form
12:53 mircea_popescu yes. but you also get a very different "cost"
12:53 mircea_popescu importantly, one that can't be factored with the other one.
12:54 * mircea_popescu has been on a "pricing in tech" mental kick for the past half hour, so i was looking at that angle.
12:54 mircea_popescu it's a fucking large problem i'll tell you that.
12:54 asciilifeform you get the cost of mircea_popescu's dinner. as per the thread. where 'idiot rube cannot buy mircea_popescu's dinner, prepared by enthusiastic harem, for any moneys'
12:54 mircea_popescu i mean i've been toying with it in pieces such as "what's the tmsr gdp", which is very much exactly the same thing as discussion here, but anwyay.
12:56 mircea_popescu (vaguely related, mp's grandmother once recounted the observation of one of her highschool classmates, who pointed out that they (the girls in school) should be more respectful of the prostitutes, because if it weren't for them (the prostitutes) none of them (the girls, in school) would be (girls, in school)."
12:57 mircea_popescu this very neatly mirrors the pub, drunks observation, and for very much the same reason. the driver's the same oppressive attitude upstream.
12:57 asciilifeform kreinin's piece is imho quite relevant, it is about the consequences of the ~wrong things being cheap~. and i cannot help but wonder if gutenberg did the same thing to the written word
12:57 mircea_popescu and now, on the thread of this analytic approach, i may present the theory that the problem aren't the idiot consumers, but very specific opression of the english sort upstream.
12:57 * asciilifeform is all ears
12:57 mircea_popescu ie, "intellectual property", or a misplaced expectation of control.
12:59 mircea_popescu once there's a "king", in the english tradition, who can do patently idiotic stuff such as require "bonded warehouses" (look it up) and "control trade" (please, do look it up) then "property" of a sort emerges. by contrast, in dutch world, where no such king and no such layered idiocy thereby, also property. but substantially different property.
13:01 asciilifeform the english still demolished the dutch..
13:01 asciilifeform what, dutch slipped on a banana ?
13:01 mircea_popescu it can then be said that what exactly " brave Landeskinder sein" means is chiefly driven by what/who is "mein König und Held".
13:02 mircea_popescu asciilifeform actually the dutch demolished the english.
13:02 mircea_popescu william became king.
13:02 mircea_popescu (but there is also the case of the dutch raid when they literally burned down london - except in a strange case of premonitory japanese misbehaviour, failed to bomb the right thing. this is in the logs.)
13:03 asciilifeform what was the permanent effect of this victory ?
13:04 mircea_popescu there exists no permanent effect in nature.
13:04 * asciilifeform very much expected this answer
13:05 mircea_popescu nevertheless, the point remains - it could be argued the actual driver for currently perceptible idiocy is not sin (ie, redditards, 1993 aol, etc) but apostasy (ie, "ip", british notions of what the crown may do to commerce, etc)
13:06 mircea_popescu i dunno how familiar the reader is with early us colonial history - but the british uniquely pretended that all trade must go through british warehouses. in london. they kept laoding and unloading things. so they can be taxed. exactly like the notion that an imaginary "right" of someone to something may require me to do specific things. ie, the fritz chip.
13:07 mircea_popescu but also ie, "rape". and so forth.
13:07 mircea_popescu the whole perceptible structure of perceived reality, actually.
13:07 asciilifeform all of this crud is thermonuke fallout from the so-called 'enlightenment' .
13:07 asciilifeform very long half-life.
13:08 mircea_popescu the simple notion that i shall read the string X as /y" rather than /z" because the entity labeled X "knows how their name is spelled", for instance, is exactly of the nature of "you must include X in your item because Y law" ; or of the "sexual harassment" ; or of ALL OTHER THINGS.
13:09 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it is not, because incredibly enough the french actually don't have these problems (but others)
13:09 asciilifeform last i heard, 'the french' are blackening and eating Moar Kouskous
13:09 mircea_popescu seems on the balance of things more likely to be fallout from the haphazard "quick, create an ideology to back up this dude's wan to get a new hussy"
13:09 asciilifeform and will soon have 0 problems
13:09 asciilifeform because 0 thefrench left
13:09 mircea_popescu yes.
13:10 mircea_popescu (it should be pointed out the french blackened many times before)
13:11 mircea_popescu anyway, when i say "don't have these problems but others" i specifically mean as evident in sexual behaviour (cue that "scandal" when sarkozy took some random woman to random event and the london-based journo-hos had a collective aneurism and kept blathering about how they'll bus supporters over)
13:23 mircea_popescu the dutch-british comparison is actually very apt and very instructive. two samples : at the time of their war with the united provinces, the dutch could outproduce the british about 6:1 ; at the time the tulip craze blew up, dutch courts told all aplicants "sfyl" quite literally.
13:24 mircea_popescu ie, alligned with tmsr and generally righteousness ; rather than the "equitable" imperial idiocy then embodied in the brits.
13:25 asciilifeform wai newyork in place of newamsterdam then ..?
13:29 mircea_popescu i think it's actually a matter of sexual preference.
13:29 mircea_popescu people preferred the indonesian whores to the iroquis whores.
13:29 * mircea_popescu also doesn't think the bovine new world female, with the big face, ugly fat lips and tiny eyes is particularly attractive.
13:39 mircea_popescu to insanely stretch comparison : it could be said the sovereign prince of orange was a sort of stalin to dewitt's lenin. yes, both soviets, but not very equal soviets - one somewhat cooler than the other ; and so the brits picked the one which was closest to their capacities and aspirations, which is to say the uncool one ; and similarly the products of the dutch republic split their energy - the shittier ones went to new yor
13:39 mircea_popescu k and the rest to malacca. hence ~dutch~ east indies and british north america.
13:39 mircea_popescu undefensible in its parts, this holds in summary a lot better than anyone'd expect.
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14:38 asciilifeform https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unzip/+bug/1643750 << in other lulz.
14:38 asciilifeform 'A buffer overflow occurs in zipinfo (part of the unzip package) when the compression method in the central directory file header is greater then 999'
14:39 mircea_popescu i thought we already lolled at this
14:40 mircea_popescu o wait. different... portion of code. ookay.
14:40 asciilifeform aaaha.
14:41 asciilifeform meanwhile on spam planet, https://archive.is/YxNQq >> 1 standard dnsoil ftw.
14:42 asciilifeform 1 sc4mz0r to rule'em all, and in the darkness BIND'em, etc
14:42 mircea_popescu in other lulz
14:42 mircea_popescu !~google nonsuch palace
14:42 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: Nonsuch Palace - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonsuch_Palace>; Henry VIII's lost Nonsuch Palace recreated 300 years after it was ...: <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2050919/Henry-VIIIs-lost-Nonsuch-Palace-recreated-300-years-destroyed.html>; Nonsuch Palace - The Epsom and Ewell History Explorer Website: <http://www.epsomandewellhistoryexplorer.org.uk/NonsuchPala
14:42 asciilifeform 'about 43% of all ICANN-accredited registrars are now controlled by just one company.'
14:42 asciilifeform lul
14:45 asciilifeform from same rag: 'Statistics released today show that the .uk registry suspended 8,049 domains in the 12 months to October 31, compared to 3,889 in the year-ago period.
14:45 asciilifeform It’s an almost tenfold increase on 2014, when just 948 domains were taken down.
14:45 asciilifeform Nominet suspends domains when law enforcement agencies tell it the domains are being used in crime. No court order is required and Nominet rarely refuses a request.'
14:53 mircea_popescu lolk
15:02 mircea_popescu i have nfi who would be idiotic enough to use "country" domains like .uk (afaik you can't even do that, gotta get subdomaons off their holy site "co") or .ro etc.
15:02 mircea_popescu what, countries on the internet ? seriously ?
15:02 mircea_popescu what's next, support for national chicken scribblings ?
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15:20 asciilifeform i've monumentally nfi, why. possibly for historic reasons (not everybody is mpex and happy to have links die every 6 months)
15:21 * asciilifeform finished, afaik, swapping all of the mpex links on nosuchlabs to new .biz
15:28 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-05#1577753 << both of'em, mikrotik 'RouterOS v6.35.2' >> i now say let's pronounce as in 'necrotic'.
15:28 a111 Logged on 2016-12-05 14:06 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F764EC5736FA3782A599FBBAE8F5867BD66D04EED4A2579F7282CE6453F80839 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1767...4719 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.211.231.129 (ssh-rsa key from 195.211.231.129 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown UA)
15:29 asciilifeform first such we see in .ua iirc.
15:29 asciilifeform where is it, the 5th floor of kiev's idiocy palace with the cia office ?!
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16:23 asciilifeform largely but not entirely unrelated,
16:24 asciilifeform anybody here have occasion to ~actually run 'tor'~ lately ? it is hilarious in some new ways:
16:25 asciilifeform for instance, it demands RDRANDtronic quantities ( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-05#1577952 ) of rng, and -- if only finds a traditional linux /dev/random, the kind that weeps a few bytes/sec -- complains loudly...
16:25 a111 Logged on 2016-12-05 16:04 asciilifeform: the folx who got 100MB/sec from /dev/random were the mac people, and it leads me to suspect that theirs is in fact == to /dev/urandom
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16:52 pete_dushenski http://archive.is/IdkiM << in other intel wonders, the reason your 'uberfast intuhnet' is laggy is becuase of 'high-priority maintenance tasks hogging the processor, causing latency to increase by at least 200ms' in the puma 6 (atom x86) equipped boxes, eg. Arris Surfboard SB6190, Hitron CGNV4, and Compal CH7465-LG
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17:16 shinohai !~later tell mod6 Start Height a success, will report results with African and further key imports later
17:16 jhvh1 shinohai: The operation succeeded.
17:19 asciilifeform l0l! x86 in modem?! laugh or cry ?
17:26 asciilifeform https://archive.is/0MKcs << other lulz from same rag
17:30 pete_dushenski http://archive.is/vT63P << other other from same : "Microsoft is working on a patch for a bug or feature in Windows 10 that allowed access to the command line and, using a live Linux .ISO, made it possible steal BitLocker keys during OS updates. The command line interface bypasses BitLocker and permits access to local drives simply by tapping the Shift and F10 keys."
17:37 pete_dushenski so it was an unseasonably balmy 0C here on saturday and now it feels like... -27C with wind and humidity. this is a Good Thing. feels more like xmas time when bundled up, drinking tea by the fire, shoveling walks, or driving slowly through the ice and snow.
17:40 pete_dushenski http://www.medievalists.net/2016/11/30-medieval-texts-translated-2016/
17:42 pete_dushenski ^ for those a bit behind on their http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1574132
17:42 a111 Logged on 2016-11-28 20:37 asciilifeform: history post-rome requires --- horrors! --- languages
17:48 mircea_popescu is everyone ready for some google calc lulz ?
17:48 mircea_popescu !~calc 2846 * 210 * 4.31 * 1.8 + 7559 * 10 * 4.31 * 2 + 1000 * 4.31 * 5
17:48 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: 2846 * 210 * 4.31 * 1.8 + 7559 * 10 * 4.31 * 2 + 1000 * 4.31 * 5 = 5309782.079999999
17:48 mircea_popescu !~calc 2846 * 180 * 4.31 * 2.1 + 7559 * 10 * 4.31 * 2 + 1000 * 4.31 * 5
17:48 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: 2846 * 180 * 4.31 * 2.1 + 7559 * 10 * 4.31 * 2 + 1000 * 4.31 * 5 = 5309782.08
17:49 asciilifeform in other not-quite-noose, asciilifeform got a small thermovisor as bday gift, and it sorta worx, e.g., http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/thermo_shitter.jpg << shitter tank water clearly visible; http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/thermo_taps.jpg << hot vs cold taps
17:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what, were ua diddlomods before.
17:49 asciilifeform *water tank level
17:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: mikrotiks in usa. iirc these 2 were the first
17:50 asciilifeform in ua
17:50 asciilifeform (in usa - many)
17:50 mircea_popescu ah ah
17:51 mircea_popescu asciilifeform so the tor enthusiasts will buy fuckgoats.
17:51 mircea_popescu o wait.
17:51 asciilifeform lel aha
17:51 deedbot http://www.dianacoman.com/2016/12/05/the-sentiments-of-grass/ << Ossasepia - The Sentiments of Grass
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18:15 deedbot http://deedbot.org/bundle-442050.txt
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18:45 asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2016/a-collection-of-distinctions/#comment-119996 << mircea_popescu et al.
18:50 shinohai In coindesk/coinbase delusions: http://archive.is/CTFwt
18:51 asciilifeform shinohai: may 24 ??
18:51 asciilifeform pre-nuke
18:52 shinohai Sure I expect with that ~$6 price it has dropped to today has something to do with it
19:07 asciilifeform mircea_popescu et al : http://trilema.com/2016/a-collection-of-distinctions/#comment-119997 << part2.
19:18 trinque http://trilema.com/2016/a-collection-of-distinctions/#comment-119998 << awaits approval, but basically "can link a deed in rating's notes field"
19:18 trinque asciilifeform: ^
19:20 trinque or sign a copy of your whole wot and deed if you prefer, though mp makes it clear that habitually doing so has hazards.
19:23 asciilifeform imho many of these hazards come from scalar-sig
19:26 BingoBoingo shinohai: What 6 dollars? This is not December 2012!
19:27 shinohai $6.74
19:28 * shinohai can now buy 2 bottles of Night Train for the price of 1 ether
19:35 mod6 shinohai: thanks!
19:36 trinque asciilifeform: what benefits are reaped by having these be computable, rather than http://deedbot.org/deed-427443-1.txt
19:37 trinque as I pondered the thing it also brought from the dark recesses of my mind the "semantic web"
19:38 trinque aka shared global mutable schema is hard
19:39 asciilifeform trinque: the computability is for the purpose of a (hypothetical) ~generalized~ v.
19:39 asciilifeform whole thing came from 'how do i negrate patches' or even 'negrate prb'
19:39 trinque right
19:43 asciilifeform trinque: v was a solution to the 'shared mutable'
19:44 asciilifeform shared ~immutable~ -- trivial.
19:46 asciilifeform trinque: the fundamental question i want to answer, and which the linked piece was an attempt to answer, was whether signatures naturally fall into equivalence classes.
19:46 asciilifeform and, if so, which.
19:47 trinque right re: immutable, hence there is no extensibility proposed
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20:18 asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0WnddW5gZI << in other ooooooldz
20:18 asciilifeform 'Electronics: Magnetic Cores I: Properties 1961 US Army Training Film'
20:25 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F88EEFD45F6F4512B02F65BCDB0A7BCE490041AD0F05E5CC39EDDFDF1C0DA6A2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1509...5329 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '38.96.47.126 (ssh-rsa key from 38.96.47.126 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (CSR170PC-Multi-CaHaSe-SaAn-cBAD-c2534-c2765-c2516. US CA)
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21:33 ben_vulpes does the lispy lordship have opinions to share about cl extension libs like "alexandria" and "metabang-bind"?
21:39 trinque iirc phf has mentioned alexandria
21:40 asciilifeform https://archive.is/vk30h << in other noose, ohnoez, fake noose, fake noose! d00d fires into ceiling of pedopizza.
21:44 asciilifeform https://archive.is/ZPa8a << terrorist content!
21:46 trinque and they dare call the "great firewall" oppressive
21:46 trinque inb4 every deedbot published item is a terrorist hash
21:47 ben_vulpes terrorist numbers!
21:49 trinque will actually be used for http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-05#1578133
21:49 a111 Logged on 2016-12-05 17:57 mircea_popescu: ie, "intellectual property", or a misplaced expectation of control.
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22:33 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F88EEFD45F6F4512B02F65BCDB0A7BCE490041AD0F05E5CC39EDDFDF1C0DA6A2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1359...7203 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '38.96.47.126 (ssh-rsa key from 38.96.47.126 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (CSR170PC-Multi-CaHaSe-SaAn-cBAD-c2534-c2765-c2516. US CA)
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22:57 asciilifeform http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q4/607 << in yet other lulz
22:58 asciilifeform ^ a bit unusually, appears to have actual attribution of the shitgnomancy
22:58 asciilifeform ' The bug was introduced on Aug 19, 2011: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/f6fb8f100b807378fda19e83e5ac6828b638603a '
22:59 asciilifeform '... we can change the packet version to TPACKET_V1 with packet_setsockopt() after init_prb_bdqc() has been executed and before packet_set_ring() has returned. ... When the socket is closed, packet_set_ring() will not delete the timer since the socket version is now TPACKET_V1. The struct timer_list that describes the timer object is located inside the struct packet_sock for the socket itself however and will be freed with a call to
22:59 asciilifeform kfree(). We then have a use-after-free... '
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23:34 * BingoBoingo tried a couple drafts on the fake news about pedo pizza being "attacked" and decided not to spread unconfirmed rumours and innuendos about what smells like a false flag
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23:50 mircea_popescu good call.
23:57 BingoBoingo I mean "shooter" conviced of pedophile pizza but doesn't shed pedophile blood?!
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