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00:00 fd_travel well.... asian banks are funding folks to try out stuff with 'open bank project' (standardized APIs between banks for developing apps), they want to make use of that api project
00:00 fd_travel so there are teams trying to develop stuff using those APIs
00:01 fd_travel will tell later if we have anything interesting, it's a total caffeine-infused rush right nao :D
00:02 fd_travel (we have this plan to have a 'roboadviser' show user (we find net worth of user from bank accts, hey it's not a realistic demo) which properties he can buy in $area)
00:02 fd_travel (extrapolate furture prices / recommendations using time series from past historical sales, etc etc)
00:02 fd_travel i dunno. i mean i haven't been to asia before, 'twas an opportunity out of nowhere, why not :)
00:04 mircea_popescu :p
00:04 mircea_popescu just make sure you talk to the girlies.
00:08 BingoBoingo Joshua-I: Stranger need to introduce themselve in channel before private conversations are possible
00:08 mircea_popescu !!up Joshua-I
00:08 deedbot Joshua-I voiced for 30 minutes.
00:08 Joshua-I Thanks a lot
00:08 mircea_popescu aha.
00:08 mircea_popescu !!key Joshua-I
00:08 deedbot http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/46W0E/?raw=true
00:09 BingoBoingo First order of business Joshua-I, Who is your daddy and what does he do?
00:09 Joshua-I Was thinking of an writing an article for qntra just wondering what the process for that is
00:09 Joshua-I Catches helicopters on the fly I suppose
00:10 mircea_popescu process is like this http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-27#1573590
00:10 a111 Logged on 2016-11-27 13:39 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/P5fGi/?raw=true
00:11 BingoBoingo see http://trilema.com/2015/lacessiveram-editor/
00:11 Joshua-I #2 closed the deal for me hah
00:13 Joshua-I Concerning #3 if I know an expert who can review said information is everything square?
00:13 Joshua-I Under acceptable content
00:14 mircea_popescu is this expert in the wot ?
00:15 Joshua-I Realized the answer as I hit enter
00:15 mircea_popescu win.
00:16 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo rereading that god damn that's a kickass manual.
00:17 Joshua-I As efficient as Hemingway
00:18 mircea_popescu lacesso, roughly "to batter"
00:19 Joshua-I Although, define 'expert'
00:20 Joshua-I People have different notions of that one
00:21 BingoBoingo Well, what do they claim to be an expert on?
00:21 Joshua-I Political science
00:21 mircea_popescu considering it costs little to submit, do it and see what happens i guess.
00:22 mircea_popescu if it gets rejected and that pisses you off, you can always publish on your own blog.
00:23 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski incidentally obsequious means pretty much the opposite of what you need it to mean
00:24 BingoBoingo relatit http://oglaf.com/therack/
00:25 Joshua-I I figured I would do exactly such mircea_popescu regardless
00:25 Joshua-I Why do I think of Rome when reading this comic
00:26 mircea_popescu ok the lemons one is pretty great
00:33 Joshua-I When I've pgpd the message where do I send it?
00:33 mircea_popescu link it to bb
00:38 BingoBoingo like he did
00:38 BingoBoingo !!Up Joshua-I
00:38 deedbot Joshua-I voiced for 30 minutes.
00:39 BingoBoingo You have a limited number of minutes to submit before consideration is put on hold due to sleep
00:40 Joshua-I Don't worry, I'll send it another time; I've been drinkin'
00:40 Joshua-I Just wanted to get the details
00:40 BingoBoingo !~step1
00:40 jhvh1 1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable.
00:43 Joshua-I Quite familiar
00:44 BingoBoingo Well, then drink more
00:45 Joshua-I I do have some nice scotch I will top the night off with
00:45 Joshua-I What's your timezone so I have a feeling?
00:45 Joshua-I (PST here)
00:46 Joshua-I (nvm I remembered how to irc)
00:50 Joshua-I Alright back to the party. I'll see you cats later
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01:21 mircea_popescu asciilifeform hey listen, i have this t42 wich works fine EXCEPT if i try to emulate old games. at first i thought whatever, bad emulation package, but no - be it via dosbox, wine, whatever, same behavior : game works fine (sound, etc) but the screen stays black. seems to be some unhapiness somewhere between radeon mobility 7500 and xorg. do i recall you saying something very similar ? did you ever manage to get display sub
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01:21 mircea_popescu dued ?
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08:16 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FA4BD8B74F8998EB8F30FF2AF6220CC4737690B0DE5A4F7A108E809F5B2306BF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2804...2849 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.188.112.98 (ssh-rsa key from 93.188.112.98 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ip-98-c112.conmet.it. IT)
08:25 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/85E4C3CE8ADEC624CE11EE2085906F70EFF7563EF4FDEAC5EE64ABA8E194F9F9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1614...9203 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '193.170.143.97 (ssh-rsa key from 193.170.143.97 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (teacheradsl4397.eduhi.at. AT)
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09:13 mircea_popescu and in other musics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szNJ6DqrqoA
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10:19 mod6 mornin'
10:23 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FA4BD8B74F8998EB8F30FF2AF6220CC4737690B0DE5A4F7A108E809F5B2306BF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1629...2343 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.188.112.98 (ssh-rsa key from 93.188.112.98 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ip-98-c112.conmet.it. IT)
10:24 mircea_popescu hola mod6
10:24 deedbot http://trilema.com/2016/minigame-is-probably-never-going-to-support-python-3/ << Trilema - Minigame is probably never going to support Python 3.
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11:08 asciilifeform http://www.catherynnemvalente.com/the-beasts-who-fought-for-fairyland << in other eldritch horrors.
11:08 hanbot r/python doesn't like your latest mircea_popescu
11:09 mircea_popescu that comes as a shock!
11:10 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the momeny they lead with "X is a nyt bestselling author" you know it's going to be pretty far out there.
11:12 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: subj is not 'bestselling author', but a crackpot well-known to asciilifeform and even met in meat.
11:12 mircea_popescu in other news, trilema acceess log for this month is 1.2 gigabytes or about 6mn lines. this web thingee certainly came a long way.
11:12 mircea_popescu ah really ?
11:12 asciilifeform aha.
11:16 asciilifeform ( the chick technically is 'best selling author', she is one of the many folx who pulled off the trick where you ask 1,001 arsebook 'friends' to buy b00k synchronously etc )
11:18 mats genius!
11:21 asciilifeform iirc they teach this in spamatronics-101.
11:23 mats http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/28/us/ohio-state-university-active-shooter << i'm experiencing rampage fatigue, this is what, the 300th rampage of the year to date
11:26 hanbot ...so they tweeted instructions to "Run Hide Fight"?! wtf is this, an advisory to do anything but jumping jacks?!
11:26 ben_vulpes 8 is not a rampage
11:26 ben_vulpes it's like a minor tantrum
11:26 asciilifeform and also, d00d who empties a mag into -- mostly -- thin air and furniture -- is 'rampage' ?!
11:27 ben_vulpes lol 8 /injured/?
11:27 asciilifeform must've tripped over own shoelaces, run'n'hiding
11:27 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the lulz of all time is the actual count of books required. dipped as low as 100s at some point cca 2010 when i stopped paying any attention whatsoever.
11:27 ben_vulpes "we've barricaded ourselves in this room and are now all tweeting about it"
11:27 * mircea_popescu still recalls a time in the 90s when it was 100k.
11:28 ben_vulpes in other pcengines: http://archive.is/slpYZ
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11:28 mircea_popescu mats in fairness, ohio state prolly best place to pop a cap in their collective mega-ass.
11:28 asciilifeform btw one interesting exercise would be to organize a synthetic 'postal' made entirely out of hacked twatter pnohes and similar boxes
11:28 asciilifeform then watch Official Truth try an' magic it away
11:29 asciilifeform then apply same magic next there is a 'proper' one.
11:29 mircea_popescu lol
11:29 mats alf is all about the high score charts
11:29 asciilifeform mats: would you refer to a wino who makes off with a rubbish basket from a bank as 'bank heist' ?
11:29 mircea_popescu weist.
11:30 mats no :(
11:30 asciilifeform so, if corpse count isn't at least 4 bits long, it ain't a postal.
11:30 mats i thought i'd put a damper on the bloodlust
11:30 mircea_popescu anyway, none of you understand how the world works. it isn't that anyone GOT shot. at all. nobody gives a shit what happens. it's that someone COULD HAVE!!!! that's the only fucking point.
11:31 asciilifeform 'someone could have' every time joe sixpack cleans his kalash.
11:31 mircea_popescu it's a wonder they even botyher burying the corpses, at all. the only focus of interest is what could fucking happen, and there's not so much a corpse could.
11:33 ben_vulpes mats: that's rich, coming from the local documentarian of besieged arabs
11:34 mircea_popescu who else would it come from ?
11:34 mats he-hey, those are the OTHER people, you know
11:34 mats /s
11:34 mircea_popescu mats kinda the wrong color with small dicks ?
11:34 ben_vulpes funkenstein_ a good candidate
11:34 mircea_popescu wasn't he the guy with a worrisome wood fetish ?
11:34 asciilifeform https://archive.is/uBvfT << in related lulz
11:35 BingoBoingo <hanbot> ...so they tweeted instructions to "Run Hide Fight"?! wtf is this, an advisory to do anything but jumping jacks?! << SOP, like "duck and cover" for nukes/tornados
11:35 mircea_popescu ahahaha wait wait, trump was scamming the electorate ? not shillary & friends ? awww.
11:35 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: it's going to be so unfair when the white working class is entirely satisfied with the recent championship pay-per-view outcome
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11:35 mircea_popescu must suck, to be stuck running around with "no, u" as the only tool in the toolbox.
11:35 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: phun phakt: they put up posters re 'run and hide' at the ~army base~ where asciilifeform worked , after news of the 'ft hood incident'
11:36 BingoBoingo lol
11:36 mircea_popescu "the bravest thing in the us army is this chair. literally."
11:36 BingoBoingo What is morale?
11:36 mircea_popescu moar ale!
11:37 ben_vulpes more lulz from linked rag: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/11/23/trumps-new-interview-with-the-new-york-times-isnt-reassuring-its-deeply-alarming/
11:37 ben_vulpes SERIOUSLY BE AFRAID
11:37 mircea_popescu hence http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-26#1573467
11:37 a111 Logged on 2016-11-26 16:03 mircea_popescu: anyway, if anyone's keeping track, the "kow towing" must've not went all too well, because "the editorial board" of the nyt decided for the you know, "independents", "liberals" and the rest of the us red army that the correct approach is to try and impeach trump through the emoluments clause, sometime in 2018ish.
11:38 mats what is it with white people and obsessing over other peoples dongs
11:39 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: h-how is that going to work?
11:39 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes same way the f-35 works. next question ?
11:39 mircea_popescu mats it's mostly a jewish thing.
11:40 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: glib
11:40 ben_vulpes what, the chinese are going to grant him a title?
11:40 ben_vulpes heh
11:40 ben_vulpes let's retroactively impeach obama for accepting the nobel without congress' blessing
11:40 mircea_popescu well, no, they're going to neigh york times best author selling publish some crap.
11:41 mircea_popescu just like everything else "worked", just like how "liberalism" even became a thing. except it never was much more than the vague notions of life&everything of the friends tv show crew.
11:41 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1573752 << /var/log/Xorg*log plox
11:41 a111 Logged on 2016-11-28 06:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey listen, i have this t42 wich works fine EXCEPT if i try to emulate old games. at first i thought whatever, bad emulation package, but no - be it via dosbox, wine, whatever, same behavior : game works fine (sound, etc) but the screen stays black. seems to be some unhapiness somewhere between radeon mobility 7500 and xorg. do i recall you saying something very similar ? did you ever manage to get display sub
11:42 mircea_popescu asciilifeform aite. will need a few.
11:42 asciilifeform also you can build 'dosbox' with svgalib support and ditch x11 entirely !
11:42 mircea_popescu i was contemplating that.
11:42 asciilifeform it worx great.
11:42 mircea_popescu course planescape torment doesn't doxbox
11:42 asciilifeform run the gamez like the gods meant'em.
11:42 asciilifeform right.
11:42 asciilifeform i'll be surprised if it 'wines' also.
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11:42 mircea_popescu yeah up to 1998. but the whole exercise was me showing that to young'uns
11:43 mircea_popescu nah, wines fine, gog people made a splendid package.
11:43 asciilifeform then again i've coaxed virii into running under wine.
11:43 asciilifeform so who knows what is possible.
11:43 mircea_popescu wine is altogether better than windows.
11:43 asciilifeform quite so. i develop winblowz proggies 100% under gcc+wine.
11:43 asciilifeform for money.
11:43 mircea_popescu aha
11:48 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1573658 << anybody try an' boot this yet? sawed it open ?
11:48 a111 Logged on 2016-11-28 02:37 BingoBoingo: In other overlookeds the suckless people released an iso of their distro, 34 MB iso image http://sta.li/
11:48 mircea_popescu tis on the list.
11:49 asciilifeform ( imho most interesting q -- is the thing ~self-hosting~ ? i.e. compiler binary + source, full toolchain, etc )
11:49 mircea_popescu aha exactly.
11:49 * mircea_popescu is vaguely looking for a root for a sane os since whenever, last year ?
11:49 asciilifeform second q is 'does kernel include megatonne of crapola, or, is it the opposite, boots only on some neckbeard's old 386 in his closet like bell labs plan9 )
11:49 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i still say it blocks on 'sane iron'.
11:50 asciilifeform there is not a secret, magical-wishy-way around this.
11:50 mircea_popescu "If you have not guessed it already, this dear and daring beast was a Wyvern. A Wyverary, if we are to be taxonomically accurate, for though his mother was a proper Wyvern, his father was a library. That only sounds strange if both of your parents were precisely the same sort of animal, which hardly ever happens, when you really think about it." << holy shit HOW CAN THEY BE THIS TEDIOUS.
11:50 mircea_popescu for the love of all that is literate, can this fanfic wave of subtards gargling words END ALREADY
11:50 asciilifeform it gets woarse.
11:50 mircea_popescu it's so bad i can't even close it.
11:51 asciilifeform i drank the whole spittoon.
11:51 asciilifeform wait till you get to 'the magic of no/
11:51 asciilifeform '
11:51 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i did that when what's-his-name with the harry potter mary sue complex and delusions of computer science / quantum mechanics knowledge made some writing challenge and i fucked him with his own wrists attached to a telephone pole.
11:51 mircea_popescu permanently disinterested me in entertaining the imbeciles.
11:52 asciilifeform i dun think he noticed... it must've been a very compact telephone pole
11:53 mircea_popescu zombies don't tend to notice what parts they lose on the way.
11:54 mircea_popescu then they pen bizarre tales about how "but how could we lose, mr unsanitary green"
11:57 mircea_popescu anyway, it is somewhat refreshing to see the delusional dorks (self-identified as "liberals" or "progressives" or w/e) simpyl lift wholesale the aggregate production of the neonazis since the 50s, change a few pronouns and bestseller-publish on their oh-so-important notebooks.
11:57 mircea_popescu look at it : "I shall tell you what the lion roared. It roared: you will make a new future in your stupid bowl, and it will say all the things we want it to say and none of the things we do not! The new future will say that everything good in Fairyland is down to us and everything that goes sideways is down to our enemies. It will say that we are the best people, with the best plans, and the best words, and the best rulers in
11:57 mircea_popescu the history of bestnesses. Make it say the old King and Queen are liars and villains but the Marquess is a truth-teller and a champion who has released the world from sorrow forever. Make it say she is the only one who can fix Fairyland and make it great."
11:58 mircea_popescu now how can you distinguish between this and http://trilema.com/2016/adnotated-weird/ ie david lane / whichever other of the idiots ?
11:59 mircea_popescu they literally ran a bunch of sed, /holocaust/global warming/ /jews/racists/ whatever, same exact structure down to the t.
11:59 mircea_popescu these aspirational "intellectuals" are shockingly sterile.
12:05 shinohai !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/rs0Vj/?raw=true
12:05 jhvh1 shinohai: The operation succeeded.
12:07 mircea_popescu oh holy shit Xorg.log has no timestamps for the lines. how the fuck is anyone supposed to make sense of this crap.
12:08 mircea_popescu who. who keeps making logfiles with no notion of time ? how is this supposed to work ?
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12:08 asciilifeform with bare hands, teeth, sand clock.
12:08 asciilifeform ( and iirc trb still has no times in logz )
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12:11 mircea_popescu i have nfi how to use this alleged log file.
12:11 mircea_popescu chiefly because i can't conceive of a mapping between the pile of trash and a log file.
12:11 asciilifeform 1) zap it 2) revv up xorg 3) run black screen proggy 4) paste log
12:12 mircea_popescu such log o.O
12:12 asciilifeform alternatively, tail -f /var/log/crapola.log &> crapolade_snippet.txt &
12:12 asciilifeform and then paste the latter.
12:12 mircea_popescu "how do you use this ?" "first, delete it" "oh i see."
12:13 mircea_popescu for the record, the repugnant pos trashes the box so thoroughly i have to log into tty and stop/start x
12:14 asciilifeform unsurprising
12:14 mircea_popescu WHY HAVE IT THEN
12:15 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1573782 << didja miss the thread where we learned that apu2 is sad ?
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12:15 a111 Logged on 2016-11-28 16:28 ben_vulpes: in other pcengines: http://archive.is/slpYZ
12:15 asciilifeform (in the sense of 'you will never rip the nsa kernel out of running 24/7/365 on dedicated core on that box')
12:16 asciilifeform (or how they attached intel nic instead of realtek, for a wider range of magick-packet acceptance)
12:16 mircea_popescu more and more it becomes evident that whenever something's documented by the open sores folk, it's always for a reason ; and the reason is always ^
12:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu found a DOCUMENTED THING ?!!111111
12:17 mircea_popescu as much as his pcengine link is. the "how to run geth" level.
12:18 mircea_popescu ie, not documented in the sense of documented ("here's how the fridge works") but documented in the sense of functional usage for illiterates ("here's how the fridge door opens and what happens most times when it does")
12:19 asciilifeform 'how x works', when it exists in computerdom, tends to 1) live on dead tree 2) which has yellowed from age and smoke
12:19 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/7hblX/?raw=true << and i fully don't expect you to tell me anything on the basis of it, because it's quite evident it contains nothing useful.
12:20 asciilifeform no obvious barf in there.
12:21 mircea_popescu anyway. it's pretty obvious someone magicnumbered something because i have the distinct impression gfx works fine just offscreen.
12:21 asciilifeform this snippet is just from warmup, or also includes when magic proggy ran..?
12:22 mircea_popescu i wiped the logs, turned the program on, it killed my gfx, i logged into tty2, stopped x, restarted x, this was the only log present.
12:22 mircea_popescu and magic proggy is heroes 2 gold via dosbox.
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12:23 * asciilifeform nostalgiates
12:23 mircea_popescu we should probably have a heroes 2 tournament this winter.
12:24 mircea_popescu like we used to do in lieu of highschool, however many people sign up, then they're randomly paired and play small maps, then the winners randomly paired play mediums, then etc.
12:24 shinohai mmgen
12:24 mircea_popescu sadly heroes suffers from the same problems of poker, can't play more than 2.
12:28 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what does 'glxgears' proggy output on that box? also black ?
12:29 mircea_popescu box dun has glxgears
12:30 mircea_popescu anyway, i;m not dedicated enough to getting old games to run on that thinkpad to chase this further. i'll just use a different box.
12:30 mircea_popescu for some reason i had it in my head you had ironed out (or maybe just fought and were defeated ?) blank screen idiocy on thinkpad.
12:31 asciilifeform fought, defeated
12:31 asciilifeform the ~only way to get it to work 100% is to define the box forever with the vendor's binturd.
12:31 asciilifeform *defile
12:31 mircea_popescu i'm pretty sure it's due to the "driver" for radeon mobility 7500 being a dubious pos which is pretty much sabotaged deliberately.
12:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform aha!
12:31 asciilifeform only a notch or two below installing winblows.
12:32 asciilifeform interestingly, unlike nvidia, amd published (what were nominally..) complete datashits for all of their gpu.
12:32 asciilifeform this resulted in 0 featurecomplete open sores support.
12:32 mircea_popescu with the result being much more obfuscation than in the case of nvidia
12:32 asciilifeform and i can think of at least two explanations re why, and they may well both be true.
12:32 mircea_popescu course the fact that radeon had a stellar reputation for being an unworking buggy pos throughout the 90s didn't help
12:33 asciilifeform there is 0 reliable open nvidia driver either.
12:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform and yet i never had this inept sort of bs problem on nvidia cards.
12:33 asciilifeform know why ?
12:33 asciilifeform it is because nvidia users surrender IMMEDIATELY and install closed turd kernel mod.
12:33 mircea_popescu because mafia ?
12:33 mircea_popescu notrly, is open nvidia driver works fine.
12:33 asciilifeform until you try to USE
12:34 mircea_popescu what can i tell ya.
12:34 asciilifeform or until you want the box not to drain the battery in 20 minutes of lid-closed-no-cord
12:34 mircea_popescu i do not use laptops for any serious purpose
12:34 asciilifeform it is doubly odd to attempt to play games on one
12:34 mircea_popescu the exercise of today being a fine point in case - they can't even be used to play games, though they may marginalloy fit it, we'd be all in bed.
12:35 asciilifeform at any rate, if audio worx, you should be golden with dosbox+fbdev or same+svgalib.
12:35 mircea_popescu but anyway, laptop == html reader.
12:35 asciilifeform (this is already an achievement, working audio)
12:35 mircea_popescu smartphone, electronic ink, whatever. pointedly NOT actual computer.
12:36 asciilifeform i cannot fathom trying to use one of these as a comp
12:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i can't be arsed to spent time on it tbh. either it works out of box or doesn't work at all is the extent of my patience.
12:36 asciilifeform the phrase 'worx out of box' and open sores do not go together.
12:36 asciilifeform if anyone tells you of such a thing -- they will also sell bridge.
12:37 mircea_popescu let gog worry about that, i'm not gonna.
12:37 asciilifeform which brings us to one more lul from the lulphrams, https://vikings.net
12:37 asciilifeform ^ quite a lulsandwich, srsly, 'libreboot' ?!
12:38 mircea_popescu !S thomas umbach
12:38 mircea_popescu !#s thomas umbach
12:38 a111 1 result for "thomas umbach", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=thomas%20umbach
12:38 mircea_popescu mmkay.
12:38 mircea_popescu apparently there exists a german alive today sufficiently boneheaded to imagine anyone is willing to use a german company for any purpose.
12:39 mircea_popescu it boggles the mind, but whatever.
12:41 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/11/dt-customers-lose-service-due-to-cyber-attack/ << Qntra - DT Customers Lose Service Due To "Cyber Attack"
12:41 mircea_popescu timing!
12:46 shinohai lol
12:50 mircea_popescu http://www.cjr.org/the_feature/trump_journalism_press_freedom_global.php << pretty lulzy as far as these go. priest at the outskirts of the byzantine empire going "bitchez, your golden horn palaces are still cooler than what we get down here in syria, so stfu and shake that ass".
12:51 mircea_popescu as much as it sucks to be one of the progresstards in the us, imagine how very much worse all the random ngo-niggers and assorted aspirational retards from the rest of the world have it.
12:52 asciilifeform nah those get manna from usgheavens
12:58 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1573889 << baww, no just forgot.
12:58 a111 Logged on 2016-11-28 17:15 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1573782 << didja miss the thread where we learned that apu2 is sad ?
13:00 mircea_popescu they get manna from in between my toes.
13:01 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1573876, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1573878 << http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Er2hU/?raw=true
13:01 a111 Logged on 2016-11-28 17:08 mircea_popescu: who. who keeps making logfiles with no notion of time ? how is this supposed to work ?
13:01 a111 Logged on 2016-11-28 17:08 asciilifeform: ( and iirc trb still has no times in logz )
13:01 asciilifeform the mass of 'dissidenting', 'voice-of-america'-listening, pussyrioting idlers worldwide, live on what, do you suppose.
13:01 asciilifeform sunlight ?
13:01 mircea_popescu yes.
13:01 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: whose patch ?
13:01 mircea_popescu exactly that, sunlight./
13:01 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: svlogd
13:01 mircea_popescu and the meagre 20 bux they get now and again for sucking my dick
13:01 mircea_popescu which they disavow and so pretend it never happened so it's "free" ie unexplaiend income
13:02 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: i know you already gave up on the thing, but i use svlogd to hammer poorly-logging proggies into sanity
13:02 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes nice!
13:02 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: how's that work ? it eats the original rubbish log, and shits this ?
13:02 ben_vulpes can be configured for log rotation, timestamps in myriad formats, udp packets on certain parse events
13:02 mircea_popescu my point is not that i could or couldn't fix it as much as it is i shouldn't have to. i also don't change diapers for the people i go out to dinner with, notwithstanding i ~could~.
13:02 mircea_popescu when i decide to be a nurse i also will.
13:02 asciilifeform ^
13:03 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: eats stdout, yes
13:03 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: iirc items such as oom are sent to stderr by trb
13:03 mircea_popescu ayup
13:03 asciilifeform so if it literally only eats stdout -- problem
13:04 asciilifeform (not to mention that sanely written proggies do not log to stdout)
13:04 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: well i put a redirect in there
13:04 mircea_popescu well you could redirtect but yeah
13:04 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: where do sanely written programs log?
13:04 mircea_popescu apparently a sane semantic model for fucking unix is still a bridge too far.
13:04 * ben_vulpes has never seen one, would not know
13:05 shinohai I have just logged timestamps on mine with `|xargs -IX printf "$(date -u)\t%s\n" X `
13:05 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: to a user-specified /some/where
13:05 asciilifeform (disk, tape, ribbon printer..)
13:06 ben_vulpes well dump svlogd in the bin of 'pointless abstractions that make life under the tyranny of linux mildly less painful and retarded' then
13:06 asciilifeform iirc 'how to log' got caught up in the thread re whether trb wants to become own os or not
13:07 mircea_popescu pretty much
13:07 * ben_vulpes has devoured sweets, dons commuter yeti for more rainridin
13:07 ben_vulpes well also polarbeard did some objectionable whole-codebase patching
13:07 asciilifeform whatever happened to that d00d
13:07 asciilifeform left without sayin' goodbyes
13:07 ben_vulpes failed to land a patch, was summarily executed by handlers
13:07 ben_vulpes anyways, that episode pointed me in the direction of external log mgmt
13:08 * ben_vulpes really off now
13:09 asciilifeform imho sanity in trb logs would include not only timestamp but such things as non-mutilated tx ids (wtf, srsly, are these 1st N bytes, or last, or wat) but also separation of blockchainchurch and mempoolstate
13:09 asciilifeform srsly, both in same log..? why.
13:09 asciilifeform (both in same ~proggy~ is already atrocious.)
13:10 * asciilifeform bbl
13:20 mircea_popescu asciilifeform iirc we had a spec for sane log that went along the lines of separations like discussed
13:20 mircea_popescu though i dun recall the exact link to it nao
13:26 * trinque added l2 to wot.deedbot.org index page, looks like happy trollface nao
13:26 trinque seems entirely appropriate
13:27 mircea_popescu lol nice
13:27 ben_vulpes lookin slick
13:28 ben_vulpes using js to draw that?
13:28 trinque nah that's an SVG
13:28 trinque graphviz
13:28 ben_vulpes chrome takes ~1sec to draw it
13:28 mircea_popescu all teh nodes be labeled G
13:28 ben_vulpes on a fresh load that is
13:28 mircea_popescu because g spot amirite ?
13:29 mircea_popescu it's pretty fast yeh
13:29 trinque we finally found the g spot
13:29 mircea_popescu i like the olive color scheme too
13:29 trinque graphviz thinks that tooltip is helpful or something, gonna remove it with sed
13:29 mircea_popescu trinque or just put label nicks or somwething instead
13:30 trinque they're there if you get the node just so
13:30 trinque but I'm gonna fiddle with sizes of l1 yet
13:30 mircea_popescu a right!
13:30 mircea_popescu it zooms nicely too
13:31 trinque yeah seems SVG does pretty well in the browser
13:31 mircea_popescu word.
13:32 mircea_popescu this is moving right along!
13:32 trinque pretty close to a genesis V patch by now
13:32 ben_vulpes in other "baby i'm trying to find something redeeming in the american holiday season"s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J44mRRo0-P0&list=PLUSRfoOcUe4YfT3KjO5JInZ7owN_nIMh4&index=1
13:33 trinque after which folks can throw me their own, and I'll sign if I like them and use.
13:35 asciilifeform AllKindsOfBad F31BBE3A << lel
13:35 asciilifeform 32bit hashfp ftw.
13:35 asciilifeform who are all of these schmucks and why are they preserved in amber here.
13:36 trinque yeh, some ancient data in there regarding reference to key
13:36 asciilifeform ( http://wot.deedbot.org/A.html )
13:36 * trinque took the entire old db
13:36 asciilifeform nono, who ARE all of these folks who are not even l10 arsebot.
13:36 asciilifeform deedbot, etc.
13:36 asciilifeform ah
13:36 trinque descends from OTC neh?
13:37 asciilifeform it strikes me that this data has the status of 'gossip'
13:37 asciilifeform in the sense of 'at some point, i heard that x heard...'
13:37 asciilifeform and not of deed ('x signed')
13:37 asciilifeform which imho is the polar opposite of what a rating oughta be.
13:37 asciilifeform wot rating is the one scenario that most screamingly calls for attributable proclamation.
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13:38 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1573807 << they're positively fucking endearing in their unyielding imbecility, "oh, the data acquisition mechanisms / ~scientifically~ conducted polls that told us clinton is a cinch to win also tell us what the X demographic wants and what trump is delivering and WE THEREFORE KNOW he's not doing what we know they want and blablabla.
13:38 a111 Logged on 2016-11-28 16:35 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: it's going to be so unfair when the white working class is entirely satisfied with the recent championship pay-per-view outcome
13:38 mircea_popescu the idiot mind caught in the perfect prison.
13:41 mircea_popescu !!reputation AllKindsOfBad
13:41 deedbot http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/rWPG5/?raw=true
13:41 mircea_popescu trinque why would nil reputation nicks be inclued at all ?
13:42 * trinque likes what data visibility does :)
13:42 trinque I have no strong opinion that they should.
13:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you have to consider the history of the republic. first it was a very vague thing in a very large soup that was #bitcoin-otc ; that split up between the libertards and the sane people ; me, mod6 a few others moved on to -assets. then that also split up, between whatever the hell it was, modern-science-democracy-and-consumerism and the current #trilema.
13:43 mircea_popescu trinque i don't think there's anything meaningful there ; should prolly purge all those with a nil reputation string.
13:43 trinque works for me
13:43 asciilifeform afaik the old 'wots' are ~100% dead (in the sense of 0-measurable-activity-in-n-years)
13:44 mircea_popescu or you know, offer a separate "all conceivable datapoints", but imo waste of your time and the whole point is that their presence drowns out the actually important people.
13:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform generally in the holes where men fought, children now play.
13:44 mircea_popescu at least it's how ww2 trenches worked.
13:45 asciilifeform they sure did.
13:45 * asciilifeform went to one such, played.
13:45 trinque aha, in point of fact I ran graphviz on the whole dataset first. output was hilariously useless
13:45 trinque then a moment of enlightenment came and I decided to proceed unfairly :p
13:45 asciilifeform trinque: is there a simple way to make the graph fill the area of display available to it ?
13:46 trinque yeh, moar CSS magic coming
13:46 asciilifeform over here i have to crank 'zoom' until the text below is as tall as my thumb
13:46 asciilifeform to see any
13:46 asciilifeform aite.
13:46 asciilifeform (vertical displays 'magically' reveal 1,001 brokennesses in visual designs you would otherwise never know about )
13:46 mats https://www.apnews.com/8ce1c19014fa459ca67964a8b5d42433/Germany's-'Mr-Flirt'-teaches-refugees-how-to-pick-up-women
13:47 trinque with both hands, right?
13:47 asciilifeform 'with both ahnds'
13:47 asciilifeform aaah
13:47 mircea_popescu "gang up and bring bottles" ?
13:47 trinque looool
13:47 mats >Jasmin Olbrich, having a quick lunch of French fries at a food truck outside the educational center, said she liked the Middle Eastern looks and complained that German men "drink too much beer, watch way too much soccer and are just so white!"
13:47 mats >just so white
13:47 mircea_popescu mats pointedly absent, any reference to how small the arab penises are.
13:47 asciilifeform gold.
13:50 asciilifeform penis what penis they fuck kalash buttstock.
13:50 ben_vulpes related: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Joburgs-dumbest-policeman.jpg
13:53 mircea_popescu ahahaha
13:54 mircea_popescu the avatars of "Safety" - have a bunch of men dork around with guns that are NEVER charged, get them used to using them like doorstops.
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14:20 mircea_popescu in other lolz, "Rule #1: Believe the autocrat. He means what he says. Whenever you find yourself thinking, or hear others claiming, that he is exaggerating, that is our innate tendency to reach for a rationalization. This will happen often: humans seem to have evolved to practice denial when confronted publicly with the unacceptable."
14:22 mircea_popescu a) yes, that's the fucking point - and more people who could be taken at their word would be an incredible improvement over "open society" and "modern democracy" ; b) no, not "humans". women. strictly women. the ~FEMALE~ response to "confronted publicly with the unacceptable", which is just a periphrastic mention of public rape, is to... what was that line, "i am a woman, david. do you think i hate children ? must i choose ag
14:22 mircea_popescu ainst a child because of who the father is ?"
14:24 mats relatedly, https://twitter.com/JPY_Kurdish/status/803101834223251456
14:25 mircea_popescu gotta admit that disgrace film is an epic distillation of an already pungent collection, coetzee's collected vials of retard phlegm and puss.
14:25 mircea_popescu guess should be worth something.
14:25 mats >white self loathing intensifies
14:29 mircea_popescu curious what the muslim influx will do to the eurodork "consensus" re smoking.
14:35 mircea_popescu "Rule #4: Be outraged. If you follow Rule #1 and believe what the autocrat-elect is saying, you will not be surprised. But in the face of the impulse to normalize, it is essential to maintain one’s capacity for shock. This will lead people to call you unreasonable and hysterical, and to accuse you of overreacting. It is no fun to be the only hysterical person in the room. Prepare yourself." (from the same "how to survive th
14:35 mircea_popescu e popping of the libertard delusion" thing). apparently, and seriously, who could have predicted this, apparently diverging from consensus reality is only bad when the OTHER guys do it. you know those racist sociopaths who didn't buy the global warming fraud.
14:35 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: a slave isn't a slave to all, just to his master. so it was that clement vii was obsequious to charles v, not henry viii. anyways i can see that the sentence was poorly worded and it's been corrected. so cheers :D
14:35 mircea_popescu otherwise it's perfectly fine when the libertard does it! he's not supposed to follow the herd, and is not a redneck "conspiracy-minded" nutcase etc for being... a conspiracy-minded nutcase.
14:40 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski it's not even that simple, there's that entire wolf episode, rome got sacked also... twas a murky time.
14:43 pete_dushenski aha. more reading for me to do.
14:43 mircea_popescu tis a risky venture to pick one's example from a period when the consensus was to call all deaths "of poison" just because everyone was trying to appear worldier and therefore jadeder and cynicer than everyone else.
14:45 mircea_popescu anyway, masha gessen. the progre party is in such disarray the actual bona fide assets of the embassy state are stuck doing editorial work.
14:46 pete_dushenski for that we can blame bannon. i didn't ask to research the complicated tudors. just what came up on the docket.
14:46 mircea_popescu he does it deliberately you know.
14:47 pete_dushenski no doubt. makes him sound oh so mysterious and erudite. lest we forget BANNON WENT TO HARVARD MKAY
14:47 pete_dushenski o.O clement vii was a medici. fancy.
14:48 mircea_popescu he correctly identified the problem with modern "educated" "liberals", which is - http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568343 aka first pass knowledge. whatever they could scrounge up in a quick skim through wikipedia reinforced by a smattering of wqhat was trending on tedtalks.
14:48 a111 Logged on 2016-11-16 14:20 mircea_popescu: also as taleb correctly points out, this example is just a very good example, but not the whole story. what it exemplifies is the ineptitude of a class of people, whom we call jews, and whom we wish to see in camps. these people understand some - enough to be harmful - but not enough, so as to be useful. they are worse than stupid, because of this familiarity with first order but incapacity for higher order reasoning.
14:49 mircea_popescu and so he's quite literally giving commentators enough rope to hang themselves with. the trilema way.
14:50 pete_dushenski man alive was politics in the 1500s convoluted. league of cognac this, renegade troops of charles v that, pope clement vii fliplopping and running away and my oh my oh my..
14:51 mircea_popescu early history, eg ages of settlement are relatively easy to understand, and open to "idea people" ; late history ie collapses of civilisations are not easy to understand, and entirely hermetic to they unblessed with esprit de finesse.
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14:57 pete_dushenski ya i can see that. i don't find the period entirely hermetic, just unfamiliar as i slowly bridge the gaps in my historical knowledge between the romans and the french revolution. currently working backwards from the end of that period via peter the great's life and times.
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14:57 pete_dushenski now exploring the edges of the tudors et al.
15:09 mats what was the sticking point with esp8266? i forget.
15:17 asciilifeform mats: lack of people-other-than-asciilifeform to play with it
15:17 asciilifeform mats: i handed out a bunch of chinese sample boards at conf3, didn't help...
15:17 asciilifeform mats: i still have a bad of two dozen or so here.
15:17 asciilifeform *bag
15:22 mircea_popescu heh. with any $item the possible outcomes of the problem-function would be either "it sucks [reason list]" or "not enough people to use it". i guess the 2nd is how you count success.
15:24 asciilifeform the thing that cooled asciilifeform's interest (to a slow simmer) is that the things remain unavailable in-bulk other than via chinese meatwot or something else inaccessible by asciilifeform
15:24 asciilifeform but fwiw the encapsulated item is about 1 $ via various channels
15:25 asciilifeform ( in a much earlier even thread , about the marvell chipset used in pogotron, i found same thing -- the chip is simply not www-orderable in the west, at least not at any kind of price point that isn't a laugh when stood next to the price of whole pogo )
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15:26 asciilifeform now if you want to buy a quintillion of them, yes, china will send a steamer with 10,000,001 crates. but this is quite irrelevant to an experimenter.
15:27 asciilifeform (and woe be to the experimenter who actually needs to know whether such a component is available in bulk, where, at what price point, or for how long ! )
15:29 mats i remember now, there was a lack of entropy source
15:30 asciilifeform mats: that is a problem shared with every cpu ever made, it is not really a problem
15:30 asciilifeform 'this bathtub lacks a meat grinder'
15:37 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1574113 << early history has sufficiently light mass of surviving record that it is, if clunkily, translated to monkey language at this point
15:37 a111 Logged on 2016-11-28 19:51 mircea_popescu: early history, eg ages of settlement are relatively easy to understand, and open to "idea people" ; late history ie collapses of civilisations are not easy to understand, and entirely hermetic to they unblessed with esprit de finesse.
15:37 asciilifeform history post-rome requires --- horrors! --- languages
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15:38 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1574114 << pete_dushenski wants to wrap his head around what remains of peter I without knowing ru ?!
15:38 a111 Logged on 2016-11-28 19:57 pete_dushenski: ya i can see that. i don't find the period entirely hermetic, just unfamiliar as i slowly bridge the gaps in my historical knowledge between the romans and the french revolution. currently working backwards from the end of that period via peter the great's life and times.
15:38 asciilifeform ..or french rev. without fr ?
15:38 asciilifeform lel
15:38 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: He can just ask all those Russians at Breitbart to tell him!
15:39 asciilifeform they will answer in the 'russian' language from film 'beautiful mind'
15:39 asciilifeform or where was it.
15:39 asciilifeform iirc it was also in 'submarine red october'
15:39 asciilifeform (they must've used same consultant as who made klingon)
15:41 hanbot if anyone is trying to maintain old ubuntu installs, and ran into this bs where synaptic/apt-get no longer works because it can't locate any repos: the nice ubuntu folks broke their directory scheme. edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace "us.archive." with "old-releases." and then hit reload. for as long as that lasts.
15:42 mats so what does in-bulk mean to asciilifeform
15:42 mats besides <10,000,001 crates
15:43 asciilifeform mats: it means that i don't pay motherfucking retail price. y'know, one where you feel like complete idiot because 'hack magazine' folk are buying ENTIRE BOARDS for below what you pay per-chip.
15:43 mats can i get an integer
15:43 asciilifeform 1,000+
15:43 asciilifeform at, say, dime per.
15:44 asciilifeform like if you bought, e.g., atmel micro of comparable horse.
15:44 mats ill reach out to some folks
15:44 asciilifeform mats: it wouldn't hurt. but keep in mind, i will not be designing this board, not now. hands -- full.
15:45 mats i hope not, i'm still hoping to see a return on my s.nsa shares
15:46 asciilifeform aha, and i don't expect the radio repeater thing to become a future s.nsa item either
15:46 mats since some folks bailed i think i am the third largest holder
15:46 asciilifeform ( it is difficult to see how it could be a +ev product )
15:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform don't knock it, "conlangs" eh ?
15:51 mircea_popescu hanbot the life and times huh.
15:51 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i dun care if folx fuck donkey, so long as i dun have to watch.
15:51 asciilifeform ditto conlang.
15:53 mircea_popescu i wouldn't necessarily mind one for eulora. the problem is that in this, like every other field, the tinydicked western men are entirely infertile. all they want is to copy and reimplement, which is how they ended up doing THE SAME FUCKING GAME 500 times. ever heard of ultima ? how about runescape ? guess what - it's the same fucking thing, down to the t, by which initialism we mean the fucking tutorial. EXACTLY. oh and plane
15:53 mircea_popescu shift ? ayup. the great idea is "what if we took ultima and made it in 3d", that's fucking it. "i want a car just like that car but paint it pink and write my name on the dash".
15:53 mircea_popescu consumerist culture, meaning that unless i fuck tolkien's corpse into action, i'm sol.
15:53 * asciilifeform played all of the ~good~ ultimas. i.e. 1-7.5.
15:54 * asciilifeform and, with mixed feelings, 8.
15:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i mant ultimaonline
15:54 asciilifeform ah lol rubbish
15:54 mircea_popescu yes but rubbish in the sense of supermarket rubbish - useless and ubiquitous, with a fury worthy of a better cause.
15:58 mircea_popescu the parallel here is pretty evident - for a century now man's eternal dream to fly was realised. it was realised by great minds in europe, and then taken over by usians. who FUCKED IT. but i mean so utterly, that at the last count cca 2008 it came out the aggregate air travel industry lost more money in its history than it made. period and full stop, consider that.
15:59 mircea_popescu same EXACT thing happened to everyhing else america touched. the damage that brown hole of fetid shit does to things is such, that the aggegate benefits to mankind of say computers, or philosophy, or you name it are actually exceeded by ustardian damage in the short half century since it even became a thing.
16:00 asciilifeform it isn't even the cheapening. trabant did 0 damage to the ~idea~ of the auto. it is instead the deliberate mass-farming of subhuman 'democratic' fungus.
16:00 mircea_popescu something like that.
16:01 mircea_popescu the notion that someone somewhere thinks in terms of "x is worse than the us" is mindnumbing. fucking hell, the third reich only killed SOME people.
16:01 mircea_popescu there is no historical comparison to just how utterly wrong that thing is.
16:02 mircea_popescu perhaps the byzantine empire and some selected chinese confucianist tards.
16:02 asciilifeform + mazdak.
16:02 mircea_popescu i guess.
16:02 asciilifeform notably, disaster of this scale tends to leave thin record
16:02 mircea_popescu it is certainly the case that eastern europe / middle east is a shithole now because instead of razing byzantium in 500, they waited till 1500.
16:02 asciilifeform ( do we still know half a fuck's worth re what nailed, e.g., the minoans ? )
16:02 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the minoans were the size of a cat's piss.
16:03 asciilifeform tru
16:03 asciilifeform but as example of somebody 'well dug up'
16:04 asciilifeform idea here is that cultures that die of stupidity tend to rm -rf / themselves quite thoroughly
16:04 asciilifeform ( and when not, the next occupant of the real estate which they fouled with their presence, finishes the job )
16:05 asciilifeform sorta how iirc we have one (two..?) mayan texts, picked at ~random.
16:05 mircea_popescu hardly. subcultures that embrace comfort do lasting damage to the geography. which is how and why mexico is a shithole now - the aztecs lived there. which is why and how ukraina and the dalmatian coast are shitholes now - byzantines lived nearby.
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16:06 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/11/18-year-old-somali-child-killed-by-police-at-the-ohio-state-university/ << Qntra - 18 Year Old Somali Child Killed By Police At The Ohio State University
16:06 mircea_popescu it's MUCH worse than nuclear waste. chernobyl is perfectly fine today ; odessa will possibly never be.
16:06 asciilifeform when, by mircea_popescu's lights, was 'odessa fine' ? during reign of catherine II /
16:06 asciilifeform ?
16:07 mircea_popescu before the basishitoi.
16:07 mircea_popescu should have burned constantine in oil not fucking crown him jesus fuck already.
16:07 asciilifeform odessa in particular was put there in end of 18th c..
16:08 mircea_popescu the geography preexists it.
16:08 asciilifeform ah no shit
16:08 mircea_popescu and the fact that the byzantines were nearby is inescapable ; you can build any odessa you want on that tile - it will be a shithole
16:09 mircea_popescu because paleologoi polluted the square - not with nuclear waste, which resolves in a century, but with cultural waste, which doesn't resolve in millenium+
16:09 asciilifeform this imho needs exposition
16:09 asciilifeform which, particular, waste.
16:10 mircea_popescu the simple existence of an empire of convenience physically alters the geography, so that no one, even people unrelated to the original idiots, can never amount to anything in that physical space.
16:10 asciilifeform not sure how geography relates, we have this exact thing here on antipodal piece of planet
16:10 BingoBoingo AHA, The Iroquois ruined New England!
16:11 mircea_popescu it LOOKS like a mountain, or a hill or a weir, but it is a touched mountain, hill or weir. and if you eat from there - you will be dumb.
16:11 mircea_popescu no matter what you do or how you do it.
16:11 mircea_popescu simple proximity of the idiots ruins things.
16:12 asciilifeform if bad ideas were spread simply by eating magic mountain, world would be considerably cleaner
16:12 mircea_popescu take the web. there's nothing fundamental about html or the upstream concepts that require it to become a pile of shit. but the simple proximity of aol ENSURE, pointedly necessitate and absolutely guarantee, it WILL be a pile of shit. no matter ANYTHING else.
16:13 asciilifeform y'know, toilet can be very close to cockpit in a spacecraft and pilot eat 0 shit.
16:13 asciilifeform (aka 'hierarchy')
16:14 mircea_popescu convenience culture, however defined as consumerism, modern democracy, us-liberalism, whatever is the closest approximation in nature of that brain-breaking-image sf concept.
16:14 mircea_popescu and it's actually pretty damned close.
16:14 mircea_popescu you don't even have to look at it. just the fact that the cockroaches exist, somewhere nearby, will fuck up your shit and sour the milk in your fridge.
16:14 asciilifeform subj btw is a thoroughly worked concept in ru sphere, where folx got to watch 'consumer revolution' unfold in fast-forward picture in 1990s
16:15 mircea_popescu i am unsurprised.
16:16 mircea_popescu twenty years ago i was appalled at the atrocity of the original most serene republic sacking constantinople. now i am very much remiss they left anyone alive or any one thing standing, should have merv'd the fucking place.
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16:16 mircea_popescu twenty years ago i was scratching my head uncomprehendingly at the hughuenot massacre. today i'm rather inclined to thing st barhtolomew may be the true and proper republican holiday.
16:17 mircea_popescu and i deeply regret any of the fucking libertards escaped.
16:17 mircea_popescu funny what the wisdom age brings does to one's childish notions.
16:18 asciilifeform i'm not sold on the notion that the protagonists of these great axe-times, sword-times, map readily onto modern folx
16:18 mircea_popescu asciilifeform so define the hughuenots for me ?
16:18 mircea_popescu or did you mean "the other side doesn't map" ?
16:18 asciilifeform either
16:19 mircea_popescu so you don't see how early protestants map to modern jewry ? rly ?
16:19 asciilifeform fr-speaking protestants ? afaik luther et al sprung out of a very clearly decaying corpse of the church, and not external baccilae of any sort
16:19 mircea_popescu this is bullshit.
16:19 mircea_popescu they sprang out of the EXACT thing hillary sprang out of : a) individual problems are a collective concern ; b) "we" are all equally dignified and entitled ; c) you name it
16:19 asciilifeform incidentally, they were not the most catastrophically 'burn it all' radical, either. picture if muntzer et al had won instead.
16:20 mircea_popescu find me a point of divergence. even fucking global warming was there, in 1572.
16:22 asciilifeform there is the 'engine' and the 'chrome', i.e. the actual motive ideology, vs the window-dressing. similar to usg's 'hyooman rights!1111' chrome, around a 'market for hollywood and cocacola' engine.
16:22 mircea_popescu so model this supposed difference for me, between today's jew and 1500s hughuenot.
16:22 asciilifeform luther's 'chrome' is similar to every other demagogue's.
16:22 asciilifeform engine -- the princes going their own way, the ungluing of the cheapo knockoff rome thing they had going.
16:23 mircea_popescu (note, as historical amusement, that the last time "modern democracy" libertards were massacred was the result of collusion between military and populist leadership - which apparently is so burnished into their collective memory as to make that arrangement the #1 bad.)
16:24 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, seriously, in terms of individuals. how were the libertards of then not the huguenots of now.
16:24 mircea_popescu 10% at the time, yes ? aspirational like exactly the "i am going to ny to be a writer just like carrie bradshaw" jew of today.
16:24 asciilifeform the only similarity that i can see is that they are the maggots on a corpse.
16:25 asciilifeform maggots -- do not create corpses.
16:25 mircea_popescu never you mind what similarities tyou can see. point me a difference.
16:25 mircea_popescu any. one.
16:26 mircea_popescu they even had the lulzy "modern science" thing, EXACTLY like the current shitheads. and by exactly i mean literal identity, same words same structures.
16:26 asciilifeform the hugenots et al., afaik, were 'serious'. vs the liberast 'hipster-ironic', 'global whatevering happens except when al gore's jet is flying', etc
16:26 mircea_popescu orly ?
16:27 mircea_popescu they're both equally serious - which is to say as serious as they can be which isn't much.
16:28 asciilifeform and actually i'm willing to buy mircea_popescu's 'they were similar in every way that counts.' just that i remain unconvinced that either is anything but the fungus growing on aids patient
16:28 mircea_popescu this may well be so - but it is the same fungus.
16:29 asciilifeform killing fungus-of-the-day only staves off the ever more spectacular inevitable and gangrenous liquifaction.
16:29 mircea_popescu are you aware they even had a flashmob ?
16:29 mircea_popescu !~google affaire des placards
16:29 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: Affair of the Placards - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affair_of_the_Placards>; Affaire des Placards — Wikipédia: <https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affaire_des_Placards>; 18 octobre 1534 - L' Affaire des placards - Herodote.net: <https://www.herodote.net/18_octobre_1534-evenement-15341018.php>
16:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform but it isn't "of the day". it's the one fungus.
16:29 asciilifeform typically the ~other~ end of bartholomew is depicted as 'flash mob'. but yes.
16:30 mircea_popescu other end was very much "trump meets angry iraq war veterans, they decide to mass rape the nytimes & friends."
16:32 mircea_popescu anyway, the deep point here is a certain anti-idealism, coherent in form and presentation, that permeates the five centuries of progre aggitation. the nonsensical objection re "has anything made your life better" in http://trilema.com/2016/consumerism-is-not-the-answer-though-it-will-put-you-to-sleep-or-american-history-x/ very exactly mirror the issues of denying the physical presence of christ in the diddled roman wine/brea
16:32 mircea_popescu d combo.
16:33 asciilifeform i deeply dun get it, what is so greatly sane about snarfing down the transubstantiation, trinities, etc. crapolade ?
16:34 asciilifeform and yes these were glues holding empire together. fuck empire.
16:34 mircea_popescu so defined by these two points, we notice that it goes exactly through, not "very close" but EXACTLY THROUGH eg heine's "Nur fürcht ich, wenn ein Gewitter entsteht, zieht leicht so eine Spitze herab auf euer romantisches Haupt des Himmels modernste Blitze!"
16:35 mircea_popescu it's not "similar" fungus. it is precisely and genetically-identical the same fungus.
16:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i'm not proposing any definite thing about the other party. what's so great about you know, making large stores of weapons only to have thieves take them.
16:38 asciilifeform the only piece i'm not sold on is the 'liberasty kills every great empire' thing. yes, it is ~found in the corpse~ of every great empire, but it is precisely the aids fungi.
16:38 asciilifeform can do 0 to healthy man.
16:38 mircea_popescu i am not saying that.
16:38 mircea_popescu they evidently didn't kill gengis.
16:38 mircea_popescu and contrary to their asstears, the mongols built roads.
16:39 mircea_popescu consider the very strict vlad the impaler - brasov merchants opposition. the "financial elites" proposed the guy's administration will result in you know, economic collapse. didn't.
16:43 mircea_popescu understand : when dorks dork on about "putting abstract principles above the people themselves" in http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/ ; or when random nobody "does not have time to read logs" or "doesn't believe phuctor did so and so" or "doesn't see why should get a pgp key" or "doesn't think bitcoin can work" etc etc, there displayed is the SAME fundamental anti-idealism of the deliberately stupid l
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16:43 mircea_popescu azy as in heine's hate of the picklehaube, or as in the hughuenot anger at the quaint catholic nonsense.
16:43 mircea_popescu what's bothering them about people who smoke ; and about people who say $random-forbidden-word ; and about people who do not care what their "laws" say ; or about those mean evil "incomprehensible" terorists, what got them all angry about the mob and so on and so forth is the same fundamental self-hatred.
16:44 mircea_popescu it's not simply "how do other people dare not be miserable", but moreover - what if there's a little more to it all ? exactly the luciferic damnation, for that matter ; and exactly the one criticism pre ww2 jews never wanted to take seriously.
16:45 mircea_popescu i'm not proposing idealism is acceptable, or good or the solution or anything. but i am outright saying that the specific sort of anti-idealism here displayed IS, in point of fact is, a mental disease.
16:46 mircea_popescu and mental disease is unchanging. just like you can have dysentery or schizophrenia in 1592 you can have it in 1952. and you do. that's what it is.
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16:51 BingoBoingo Like the Chauchat, responsible for the deaths of many; but in the wrong direction.
16:52 mircea_popescu heh
16:55 * mircea_popescu would very much like to hear challenges to the above theory, btw.
16:58 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1573837 << planescape most definitely wines
16:58 a111 Logged on 2016-11-28 16:42 asciilifeform: i'll be surprised if it 'wines' also.
16:58 mircea_popescu aha.
16:59 shinohai http://www.sciencealert.com/this-new-prime-number-could-help-solve-a-decades-old-puzzle "Only 9.3 million digits!!!"
17:01 mircea_popescu !!up Joshua-I
17:01 deedbot Joshua-I voiced for 30 minutes.
17:01 Joshua-I Allo quick point about mental disease a la http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1574271
17:01 a111 Logged on 2016-11-28 21:46 mircea_popescu: and mental disease is unchanging. just like you can have dysentery or schizophrenia in 1592 you can have it in 1952. and you do. that's what it is.
17:01 mircea_popescu aha ?
17:02 Joshua-I Multiple personality disorder is considered a product of its times as it has mostly disappeared as of late
17:02 mircea_popescu yeah well imaginary diseases are imaginary diseases. see "female hysteria" etc.
17:02 mircea_popescu of course they disappear over time.
17:02 shinohai Though there is still no known cure for redditardedness
17:03 mircea_popescu shinohai hunger.
17:03 mircea_popescu cures it instantly without sechellae in 100% of cases.
17:04 shinohai aha
17:04 Joshua-I concerning this over here http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1574266
17:04 a111 Logged on 2016-11-28 21:43 mircea_popescu: understand : when dorks dork on about "putting abstract principles above the people themselves" in http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/ ; or when random nobody "does not have time to read logs" or "doesn't believe phuctor did so and so" or "doesn't see why should get a pgp key" or "doesn't think bitcoin can work" etc etc, there displayed is the SAME fundamental anti-idealism of the deliberately stupid l
17:05 Joshua-I i'd say you only need the first
17:06 mircea_popescu the first what ?
17:06 Joshua-I like if you read the logs, believed in mathematics (lol), and proof of work. still the first thing would put you at odds
17:06 Joshua-I i.e. "putting abstract principles above the people themselves"
17:06 mircea_popescu well it's a succession of or
17:06 mircea_popescu any one.
17:09 Joshua-I but the point is this fundamental self hatred isn't necessarily limiting
17:10 Joshua-I it doesn't necessarily imply anything at all ultimately if you will pursue any ends
17:12 mircea_popescu like how do you mean ?
17:13 Joshua-I like say you recognized the value in science / physical / sociological underpinnings but you were deranged
17:13 Joshua-I and your 'abstract concept' was one of perhaps contradicting axioms
17:14 mircea_popescu uh.
17:14 Joshua-I so the real and the ends are fairly separated out from your internal satisfaction
17:16 Joshua-I I'd be weary of saying how long such a thing can last tho
17:17 mircea_popescu or if it even exists.
17:17 BingoBoingo There is a solution
17:17 BingoBoingo !~step4
17:17 jhvh1 4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
17:18 * adlai never understood wtf a "moral inventory" is
17:18 * trinque didn't understand wtf Joshua-I is trying to say
17:18 trinque buncha loosely associated statements and fluff words
17:19 Joshua-I but exactly trinque
17:19 adlai sounds like the same bs rai dalyo rambles about in his multiple-hundred-page copypasta about "principles" and how life is all about discovering your principles, then he gives as an example of such a "principle" - gravitation
17:19 Joshua-I the brain is capable of loosely associating and therefore opens this possibility up
17:19 trinque Joshua-I: it's rude to meta people you just met !1!11
17:19 mircea_popescu adlai i suspect in us-english parlance of the time, "moral" simply means "abstract". ie, don't count your ballsac.
17:19 mircea_popescu (the division seen in moral philosophy vs material philosophy aka physics)
17:20 BingoBoingo adlai: Instructions begin with the last paragraph on page 63 and continue through the end of the chapter. Chapter 6 "Into Action" begin step 5.
17:20 Joshua-I trinque: I like to keep things interesting
17:21 * ben_vulpes idly enumerates his ballsac
17:23 adlai this btw is top-grade "eldritch horror": https://www.principles.com/#Principles
17:24 Joshua-I Open question before I go workout: what kind of basis do you use for 'moral'? Utilitarian? Virtue?
17:24 mircea_popescu i think you should go work out.
17:25 adlai Joshua-I: i believe the only person who regularly talks about "moral [inventory]" uses the Big Book
17:25 mircea_popescu "What follows are three distinct parts that can be read either independently or as a connected whole." aaand he lost me.
17:26 BingoBoingo Joshua-I: A honest basis.
17:26 BingoBoingo As you understand it
17:26 mircea_popescu same sauce as goes in "a plain reading" of eg constitution.
17:27 BingoBoingo Aha
17:27 mats asciilifeform: is there something wrong with the items on alibaba?
17:29 mats e.g. http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/new-and-original-Module-ESP8266-with_60443370641.html
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17:36 mircea_popescu anyway, to expound on the whole huguenot issue : a) who expanded the medieval notion of "universitas" to a notion of "popular sovereignity" in the sense of "the people" being a unit, better and different from its constituent parts, and better than the king at hearing god, and to be represented by parliaments ? b) who broke with legist theory of "tyrant = whosoever opposes the monarch" to introduce a transcription of calvin's
17:36 mircea_popescu new ideas of impeachable kings ? c) who did max weber identify as part of a "rationalization" (aka enlightening, or in proper words pedestrian-anti-idealism) of abstractions in europe ?
17:36 mircea_popescu we could go on.
17:37 mircea_popescu and since we're doing this,
17:37 mircea_popescu !~google beerwolf
17:38 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: Beerwolf : Oracle's Prophecy (Album): <https://beerwolf.bandcamp.com/>; Beerwolf | Facebook: <https://www.facebook.com/beerwolfmusic/>; Beerwolf Books: <http://beerwolfbooks.com/>
17:38 mircea_popescu pff
17:38 mircea_popescu !~google beerwolf luther
17:38 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: Beerwolf - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beerwolf>; Luther and the Justifiability of Resistance to Legitimate Authority: <http://scholarship.law.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi%3Farticle%3D1150%26context%3Dfacpub>; Meaning of Beerwolf - Encyclo: <http://www.encyclo.co.uk/meaning-of-Beerwolf>
17:38 hanbot http://logs.minigame.bz/latest.log.html#t20:06:54 << iirc was 25310, if that's at all useful. anyway, thanks for looking into it diana_coman
17:39 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1573903 << that is one of the best games ever. i have many memories of high school drunken debaucheries, where a small clique would periodically dip out, one by one, to perform their next move in heroes on the family computer
17:39 a111 Logged on 2016-11-28 17:22 mircea_popescu: and magic proggy is heroes 2 gold via dosbox.
17:39 hanbot mmyeah wrong channel, dun mind me.
17:39 mircea_popescu i agree, probably best game ever made. > chess.
17:40 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1574333 << 1) i want the raw chip 2) i want a steady supplier, not a d00d with 0 connection to my wot (including vendors i've personally used as 'connection' for this purpose)
17:40 a111 Logged on 2016-11-28 22:29 mats: e.g. http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/new-and-original-Module-ESP8266-with_60443370641.html
17:41 asciilifeform 'some d00d on $phorum promises megatonne for a penny' is not 'supplier'.
17:41 mircea_popescu in proper terms, "it's too expensive to 100% test each individual unit"
17:42 asciilifeform in related lulz, https://archive.is/ZNpzl << 'extremists'
17:43 asciilifeform (incidentally linked piece is disinfo, per https://www.coreboot.org/pipermail/coreboot/2016-November/082331.html , the 'me' is not really dead )
17:45 BingoBoingo https://www.reddit.com/r/sjwhate/comments/5fed8q/18_year_old_somali_child_killed_by_police_at_the/ lolments
17:46 mircea_popescu lol
17:48 mircea_popescu https://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/5fc9ff/minigame_game_developer_ipod_for_8_million_a_few/ << similar lulz.
17:53 asciilifeform mats: i will underscore the point: i am entirely, thoroughly, monumentally disinterested in purchasing industrial component where i gotta make a cousin-fucking relationship with some orc even before i get something like a quote. no anonymous cash'n'carry? not wanted in my supply line, not if there is an alternative.
17:54 asciilifeform (cash'n'carry and i-switch-suppliers-on-a-five-minute-whim are your only guards against doctored-chip-just-for-you-at-ftmeade)
17:55 asciilifeform fungibility, in short.
17:56 mats i'm tracking
17:57 asciilifeform ..?
17:57 mats message received
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18:23 danielpbarron http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1574186 << "embrace comfort" -- men behaving like women. this defiles the land
18:23 a111 Logged on 2016-11-28 21:05 mircea_popescu: hardly. subcultures that embrace comfort do lasting damage to the geography. which is how and why mexico is a shithole now - the aztecs lived there. which is why and how ukraina and the dalmatian coast are shitholes now - byzantines lived nearby.
18:23 danielpbarron !~bible leviticus 18:24-25
18:23 jhvh1 danielpbarron: [KJV] Leviticus 18:24 :: Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
18:23 jhvh1 danielpbarron: [KJV] Leviticus 18:25 :: And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
18:23 danielpbarron !~bible 1 corinthians 6:9
18:23 jhvh1 danielpbarron: [KJV] 1 Corinthians 6:9 :: Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
18:28 danielpbarron http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1574215 << yes this is apparently the correct approach
18:28 a111 Logged on 2016-11-28 21:16 mircea_popescu: twenty years ago i was appalled at the atrocity of the original most serene republic sacking constantinople. now i am very much remiss they left anyone alive or any one thing standing, should have merv'd the fucking place.
18:28 danielpbarron !~bible 1 samuel 15:3
18:28 jhvh1 danielpbarron: [KJV] 1 Samuel 15:3 :: Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
18:29 mircea_popescu obviously suckling and ass collided in my head.
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18:45 mircea_popescu in other news, icann changed "domain lock" for transfers to... 60 days.
18:45 mircea_popescu (evidently, not going to apply to usg-stolen domains)
18:45 asciilifeform what was it before ?
18:46 mircea_popescu orinigally, nothing ; then it was made a day, then 5.
18:46 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2016/minigame-is-probably-never-going-to-support-python-3/#comment-119926 << in other 3/10 for effort trollage
18:55 phf http://www.apple.com/newsroom/2016/08/apple-adds-more-gender-diverse-emoji-in-ios-10.html
18:56 mircea_popescu are they valid unicode ?
18:57 phf no idea, and too lazy to investigate. i found it because apparently valid unicode pistol emoji was changed from realistic looking gun to a water gun
18:57 asciilifeform ^ was in the l0gz
18:57 mircea_popescu oh wait, blonde chicks surf cuz they're from california right ? and black chicks basketball. makes perfect sense. wanna bet the swimmer's a brunette ?
18:57 phf asciilifeform: oh i missed that
18:58 mircea_popescu i thought you participated in the discussion lol
18:58 asciilifeform !#s ☭
18:58 a111 6 results for "☭", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%E2%98%AD
18:58 phf i've gotten to a point with logs, where most of my log memories are stored in logs
18:59 mircea_popescu asciilifeform check it out scrat owns joo!
18:59 asciilifeform waiwat
19:00 asciilifeform what's a scrat
19:00 mircea_popescu phf i'm sitting here trying to come up with something but i'm sitting here trying to come up with something but i'm sitting here trying to come up with something but...
19:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the first mention of the sicke hammer
19:00 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2013-07-22#161688
19:00 a111 Logged on 2013-07-22 16:00 Scrat: ☭ bcstats
19:00 asciilifeform aah
19:01 asciilifeform hande h卍ch!
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20:17 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EBD6ADEA8F36F0E9B3BD59E666A97C08A93C659D8E2935E2ED6A9AAAEF81DC8E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1175...4733 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.40 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.40 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
20:24 asciilifeform trinque: how much sweat would it take to add procedure, attempt http (80) and https (445) on phucked ip, then post http title, if found, and in case of ssl, cert id string
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20:44 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4C1F1DF711FA0B4E2F5F99F37821FFCD45F8B4336A79C4039654EA3B14C6AE2A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1175...4733 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.185 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.185 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
20:44 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EBD6ADEA8F36F0E9B3BD59E666A97C08A93C659D8E2935E2ED6A9AAAEF81DC8E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1175...4733 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.40 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.40 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
20:51 mircea_popescu as part of fucking deedbot ? no wai.
20:51 mircea_popescu talk to shinohai Framedragger pete_dushenski who else had a bot
20:59 mircea_popescu and in other news da fuck is https://karlened.herokuapp.com/Genesis-V-Manual.pdf
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21:00 asciilifeform hey it isn't any crazier than the geoip routine
21:01 mircea_popescu i guess not.
21:03 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-29#1574405 << it's the usual 'let's MONETIZE!1111 other people's work' spamolade
21:03 a111 Logged on 2016-11-29 01:59 mircea_popescu: and in other news da fuck is https://karlened.herokuapp.com/Genesis-V-Manual.pdf
21:03 mircea_popescu how's monetize supposed to work.
21:03 mod6 nowai
21:03 * mod6 looks
21:04 asciilifeform 1) crawl www 2) perl script converts to 'ebook' 3) spam to idiots 4) ???
21:04 mod6 "sign up for phree!" eat my balls.
21:04 mircea_popescu i guess
21:04 asciilifeform 'heroku' is a paul graham operation iirc
21:04 mircea_popescu afaik.
21:05 asciilifeform and it 'works' like all grahamisms -- by being sold to a greater fool, somewhere, somehow
21:06 mircea_popescu i have nfi how they figure trump's gonna be printing for this.
21:06 asciilifeform same way as obump.
21:07 mircea_popescu i dun see it.
21:07 mircea_popescu he got keystone to pay for.
21:07 asciilifeform what, spreadshit at ye olde fed needs 42 bits but only takes 41..?
21:08 mircea_popescu he's not doing it.
21:08 mircea_popescu "m&a market" in the sense of bullshit "tech companies" of the software ilk is looking at a 99% contraction in 2017.
21:09 asciilifeform nobody's gonna ask him -- just like deindustrialization program is happening whether or not some old d00d signs xyz treaty or not
21:09 ben_vulpes heroku graham << citation needed
21:09 mircea_popescu do you know what software m&a market was in 2016, or 2015, or any point, so you can compare ?
21:10 ben_vulpes wholly owned by salesfarce these days
21:10 ben_vulpes employs many an orbiting babe
21:10 * ben_vulpes waves at babes
21:10 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/heroku
21:10 mod6 ben_vulpes: haha.
21:10 ben_vulpes fuck me sideways
21:11 mircea_popescu he's adorable when he thinks he knows a thing!
21:11 ben_vulpes whatever, crunchbase took 2 seconds to return a page, i killed the process
21:11 mircea_popescu actually apparently... crunchbase no longer actually works ?
21:11 ben_vulpes but lookie at the mircea_popescu citing sv's own propaganda machine
21:12 mircea_popescu hey, at issue is relations between stalin and hitler. propaganda is valid sauce.
21:12 asciilifeform it wasn't mega-seekrit, ben_vulpes
21:12 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i should have quoted medium at him huh.
21:12 asciilifeform graham mentioned it in various bloviations of his
21:12 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: try livejournal, i eat livejournal urls
21:13 asciilifeform and the yc people had public parades etc.
21:13 ben_vulpes lj never took 2 seconds to return a simple html page...
21:13 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: who, i'm now curious, did you ~think~ made it
21:14 mircea_popescu "innovation" "youth"
21:14 asciilifeform thing had all of the classic stigmata of pgism
21:16 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: anonymous web properties have authors now?
21:16 ben_vulpes i never saw a signed anything, couldn't possible say "who" "did" anything
21:16 asciilifeform not authors, funders
21:16 ben_vulpes possibly*
21:16 asciilifeform somebody feeds the monkeys.
21:16 ben_vulpes "made it"
21:16 ben_vulpes shotgun blasts of capital don't really count for "made"
21:17 * ben_vulpes cranes at the salt in his ass
21:17 asciilifeform sure does. shotgun -- makes hole
21:18 asciilifeform and who tosses meat onto hot pavement, for the flies, makes the sticky mess.
21:18 ben_vulpes ah, the spontaneous generation argument
21:18 asciilifeform no idiots with massive leaking bags of printolade -- no herokus.
21:19 ben_vulpes no individual may be credited with leaking printolade. it -- leaks.
21:20 ben_vulpes absolutely sole purpose is to render savings moot.
21:20 mircea_popescu what is the topic ?
21:21 ben_vulpes whether the investors made the tin woman, obvs
21:24 mircea_popescu is heroku anything more than a pretentious website and a few dozen boxes rented in a dc somewhere ?
21:24 mircea_popescu ie, was something actually made ?
21:24 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: omg hate speech as if to assume they even have their own boxes!
21:24 ben_vulpes entire thing runs atop bezos' virtu-staxx
21:25 mircea_popescu hence "rented".
21:25 mircea_popescu anyway.
21:26 phf afaik heroku invented the whole "container" thing, i.e. instead of oldfag unixing you have a thing with many slots, that takes ruby code, provides postgresql, etc. so that you don't actually need to know anything outside of your rails world
21:27 mircea_popescu right, IaaS, ignorance as a service.
21:27 asciilifeform 'deskilling'
21:28 ben_vulpes lxc didn't predate?
21:28 asciilifeform pg's own 'viaweb' was -- supposedly -- the original.
21:28 phf ben_vulpes: no
21:29 asciilifeform hence the 1,001 imitations his students made.
21:29 ben_vulpes phf: the things one learns!
21:30 phf ben_vulpes: it is rather unfortunate how much time i wasted "following along", i know things now
21:30 * ben_vulpes considering "deskilling" the entire mobile-app "api server" with judicious compilation of libpq
21:34 asciilifeform ben_vulpes et al -- at some point there was a great 'savings ~never~ really worked' mircea_popescu thread
21:35 asciilifeform if anyone remembers when it was, stick a pointer here in the l0gz, imho it belongs.
21:36 asciilifeform there was iirc something about how an economic landscape stable enough for 'savings' is an ephemeral and quite unnatural thing, rather like billiard table
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21:36 asciilifeform ( or possibly asciilifeform dreamed this )
21:37 phf nah, i'm pretty sure it was during my 6 months
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22:52 mircea_popescu truth.
22:52 mircea_popescu and it also goes re "trade". yes the brits experienced a period of "hey, trade creates wealth". guess what - it created out of burning china's empire. spain idem. and the portuguese too.
22:52 mircea_popescu this whole "trade will make social problems go away" is just another "we'll feed ourselves with our own plaque".
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