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00:10 asciilifeform phf: aha, it wasn't 'we', it was just me.
00:10 asciilifeform i even built trb for it.
00:10 asciilifeform but it wouldn't pogo - not without writing the nand flash driver from ~scratch.
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00:57 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: shoot! yeah. wanted an ingest/??? pair but flubbed it.
00:57 ben_vulpes the wisdom of asciilifeform's eat/shit is now apparent.
01:00 ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: i just got the php off my hands, man
01:03 ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: and it appears that i no longer have the original tgz. shinohai ?
01:06 mircea_popescu in other news good god is anne holton ugyl.
01:07 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: no worries
01:08 mircea_popescu phf who ditched bdsm ?
01:22 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> in other news good god is anne holton ugyl. << omg ugh. yah, she's beat.
~ 22 minutes ~
01:44 mod6 ben_vulpes has signed all the patches currently available at the foundation: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/9z89i/?raw=true
01:45 mod6 his seals have been placed with the others in: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/seal
01:46 mod6 damnit, ignore that url ^
01:46 mod6 http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/seals/
01:46 mod6 is the one ^
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02:17 pete_dushenski !~later tell thestringpuller sorry for the delay, fire over the caddy pics when ready!
02:17 jhvh1 pete_dushenski: The operation succeeded.
02:17 pete_dushenski still not clear why it's a 'dilemma' but perhaps time will tell.
02:23 pete_dushenski http://takimag.com/article/life_de_bois_theodore_dalrymple/print#axzz4JvSqDyZi << and now, your moment of langue de bois, fresh from the world of usg.med
02:23 pete_dushenski buffer 3
02:23 pete_dushenski lol
02:23 pete_dushenski g'nite y'all
~ 54 minutes ~
03:17 BingoBoingo !!up wyrdmantis
03:17 deedbot wyrdmantis voiced for 30 minutes.
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06:11 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-10#1539132 << hm can you point to an example? couldn't find one
06:11 a111 Logged on 2016-09-10 03:58 mircea_popescu: Framedragger log rendition of jhv includes >; and > in the url ?
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06:28 Framedragger mircea_popescu: thanks for writing that design document.. http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-118965 (nothing new i guess, but just a request for clarification so to speak, and trying to argue both sides, to an extent)
~ 1 hours 54 minutes ~
08:22 mircea_popescu ahhh such lovely weather ; sunny, balmy...
08:22 mircea_popescu such a pity argentina is inhabited by argentines.
08:23 mircea_popescu Framedragger http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160910/#217 < example.
08:23 scriba Logged on 2016-09-10: [03:36:56] <jhvh1> mircea_popescu: Hrotsvitha - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hrotsvitha>; Hrotsvitha von Gandersheim - Women's History - About.com: <http://womenshistory.about.com/od/medgermansaints/p/hrotsvitha.htm>; Hrotsvitha of Gandersheim – FREE Hrotsvitha of Gandersheim ...: <http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-3446400099.html>
08:36 shinohai !~later tell pete_dushenski Sure I can put you a signed copy of wp-mp up on my site if you still need.
08:36 jhvh1 shinohai: The operation succeeded.
08:38 mircea_popescu an' honestly, tis a pleasure to have who to write such stuff for ; far exceeds any sort of inconvenience in the writing.
08:39 mircea_popescu then again i dun think i'm the only one.
08:52 mircea_popescu aaand in other lulz,
08:52 mircea_popescu !~calc 1737 * 2.4 * 1.5 * 60 = 375192.00000000006
08:52 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: I could not find an output from Google Calc for: 1737 * 2.4 * 1.5 * 60 = 375192.00000000006
08:53 mircea_popescu !~calc 1737 * 2.4 * 1.5 * 60
08:53 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: 1737 * 2.4 * 1.5 * 60 = 375192.00000000006
08:53 mircea_popescu right.
09:08 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes ingest is angloabomination born 1500s ; technically it'd be exgest but incomprehensible because barbarians not systematical. anyway, ingest comes from gestus, gerere, which means to carry ; hence gestant female ie pregnant and so on.
09:09 mircea_popescu i suppose ingest/excrete would be the english dysfunctional-but-best pair.
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09:48 shinohai !~later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1lWb
09:48 jhvh1 shinohai: The operation succeeded.
09:57 mircea_popescu meanwhile in foreign news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/c56131990e0970f96eb97df6b794ef42/tumblr_mu97cfMTD41qewacoo4_r2_1280.jpg
10:01 shinohai I wonder if those turtles are infected with Baracktrema obamai
10:01 mircea_popescu http://sameatschildren.tumblr.com/post/45962915522/do-it-now-guide-to-proper-bra-fit-and-measuring << not altogether a bad guide ; but the part where even usians figure out their everything is practically useless, often harmful and in any case shouldn't be used might make it into a BingoBoingo xtend ?
10:01 mircea_popescu mostly for teh lulz.
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10:50 Framedragger [oh shit, mkj suddenly went from 16gb disk space available to 0; bear with me]
10:50 * Framedragger wonders if it's the trilema-following bot army. will check
10:51 shinohai !!up Medow
10:51 deedbot Medow voiced for 30 minutes.
10:53 Medow $register C42CCE7D70E6BE1E03CF74EFE21B028A61FD2B37
10:53 shinohai Medow: do it again but replace `$` with !!
10:53 mircea_popescu hm i thought the wiki got updated.
10:53 Medow !!register C42CCE7D70E6BE1E03CF74EFE21B028A61FD2B37
10:54 mircea_popescu Framedragger toldja.
10:54 deedbot Import failed for C42CCE7D70E6BE1E03CF74EFE21B028A61FD2B37.
10:57 mircea_popescu Medow did you upload key to sks servers ?
10:58 Medow No , i didn't
10:58 Framedragger (crazy. i'm dumping the contents of vim buffer through the literal ssh terminal, by hand, 'cause i can't save them and i need to. good times!)
10:58 mircea_popescu ah do that then
10:58 shinohai I got him covered on that mircea_popescu
10:58 mircea_popescu cool
10:59 asciilifeform happy terrorism day, gentlemen.
10:59 mircea_popescu Framedragger this is where wizards learn their wizardry craft! BY FIRE.
10:59 asciilifeform in other noose, http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-118967
10:59 mircea_popescu you know it pings me nao automatically alf!
10:59 asciilifeform neato.
10:59 mircea_popescu trinque made it subscribeable.
11:01 shinohai mircea_popescu Framedragger this is where wizards learn their wizardry craft! BY FIRE. <<< never a truer statement has been uttered.
11:02 Framedragger mircea_popescu: no objections!! this is good stuff. can't see home partition under `mount` - disk subsystem appears to have failed. (so unfortunately may not be due to bots - yet; OR.. things are even more ominous, in which case, fun!)
11:02 Framedragger so apparently the hosting provider which i've been paying since 2008 without sweat just went down. like, i can't load their homepage and client area. they better have a good explanation for entire cluster going down
11:03 Framedragger gonna learn to host tmsr stuff separately from $random_websites_for_relatives_etc , too; collateral damage much
11:04 Framedragger if they send me a letter saying "our network got fucked due to ddos initiated at your ip" imma laugh
11:06 asciilifeform in other noose, boeck delivers!1111 >> https://threatpost.com/number-of-devices-sharing-private-crypto-keys-up-sharply/120379 << guess of what there is 0 mention, etc.
11:08 asciilifeform https://archive.is/faRIr << and somehow we missed this gem. 'Trading in the stock of medical device manufacturer St. Jude Medical was halted Friday afternoon after a dramatic drop in its value. That drop was triggered by news of alleged vulnerabilities in the company's cardiac care devices. The vulnerability was disclosed not in a report by the company, but by security researchers partnered with Muddy Waters Capital, an investment fi
11:08 asciilifeform rm that had "shorted" St. Jude's stock on the information in order to profit from a drop in the stock's value. The researchers at the security firm MedSec chose to take this route to disclosure, MedSec CEO Justine Bone said, to "ensure that St. Jude Medical responds appropriately and with urgency." The partnership with a short-seller is a fundamental departure from the established approach of responsible disclosure normally taken by
11:08 asciilifeform researchers. But it also represents an approach that bypasses the sort of legal maneuverings and threats, suppression of information, and inaction that have been experienced by researchers who have discovered vulnerabilities in other products. Researchers who discovered a vulnerability in Volkswagen electronic engine locks, for example, were forced to withhold a paper for two years through a court injunction filed by the automaker in
11:08 asciilifeform 2012.'
11:09 asciilifeform betcha usg is as we speak in the process of writing the ban on 'hackinsider trading' or whatever claptrap.
11:14 Framedragger [lol, massive outage of servers (http://gedimai.iv.lt/?id=493) - "we hereby inform that presently the majority of our network nodes are experiencing issues [read, are +/- down]; therefore the servers behind said nodes may be unreachable." i'll bitchslap them after they recover
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11:14 Framedragger ]
11:15 mircea_popescu lol.
11:16 mircea_popescu but yes, there's ~no application one can work on that is going to be as seriously high demand as doing stuff here. people go through entire careers in corporate computer science without ever encountering the sort of omgwtfbbq you get for two week's stay.
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11:40 Framedragger mircea_popescu and everyone, so just in case it was unclear, everything to do with mkj.lt is down 'cause (apparently, as of now) the network is down. cause as of yet unknown, as they've confirmed when i called. the system also helpfully informs me that server is using 64.50 GB out of available 10.00 GB, and the free disk space available ("-54.50 GB") is less than the recommended free space amount. things shall be migrated, i will however wait fo
11:41 Framedragger r them to recover, and meanwhile i'm off to a punk concert. ttyl.
11:42 Framedragger (and ftr hosting a parliament candidate's website on the same server as something to do with tmsr may have been a choice too curious.)
11:52 mircea_popescu aite.
11:52 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539584 << lel even that link now seems dead.
11:52 a111 Logged on 2016-09-11 15:14 Framedragger: [lol, massive outage of servers (http://gedimai.iv.lt/?id=493) - "we hereby inform that presently the majority of our network nodes are experiencing issues [read, are +/- down]; therefore the servers behind said nodes may be unreachable." i'll bitchslap them after they recover
11:55 mircea_popescu and meanwhile i'm chasing some obscure comment blockquoting bug
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12:14 asciilifeform luke-jr (~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr) has joined #trilema << l0l! he's still in business ?!
12:15 mircea_popescu in other lulz & assorted "daily wtf that never happened on the bitcoin network and if it did it's mp's fault anyway", a86c3b4efb1be5862dff6740a16cae83a785e78eb8a81b49c6f3337ca8e0b1cc being high-S got malleated by da3008e8b15d36343bc07c05cf107a7b6d29df0467901401410f8fe0d8c76488 which however... doesn't actually exist.
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12:15 shinohai O.o
12:16 mircea_popescu lemme know if any of you turn it up anywhere.
12:19 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/09/bitcointalk-database-in-the-wild-for-some-time-now-new-forum-software-years-late/ << Qntra - BitcoinTalk Database In The Wild For Some Time Now, New Forum Software Years Late
12:21 mircea_popescu otherwise feel free to you know, stage mock debates/legal proceedings between payment processor ("we sent the txn as contractually obligated") and contracting firm ("we hired you to do the payments, do them") etc etc.
12:22 mircea_popescu the point ~everyone, from the propellerhead ethidiots to yours truly, prefers to not observe the fact that bitcoin can not be part of economic activity as is, because unspecified machinery with unpredictable behaviours are exactly not the substance of contractual agreements.
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12:23 mircea_popescu there can by definition exist no meeting of the minds on such shaky, arbitrarily shapeshifting terrains.
12:24 asciilifeform eh hey we observed that the bloody thing doesn't reliably work, eons ago
12:27 mircea_popescu yes yes.
12:27 mircea_popescu but then happily continued to act as if it did.
12:27 mircea_popescu for this money, elliot also observed his pussy crushing doesn't work. went right back to it.
12:28 * asciilifeform mutters something about crash landing on island with clitler
12:28 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539596 << fwiw, as far as i can tell, my boxes never saw these.
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12:28 a111 Logged on 2016-09-11 16:15 mircea_popescu: in other lulz & assorted "daily wtf that never happened on the bitcoin network and if it did it's mp's fault anyway", a86c3b4efb1be5862dff6740a16cae83a785e78eb8a81b49c6f3337ca8e0b1cc being high-S got malleated by da3008e8b15d36343bc07c05cf107a7b6d29df0467901401410f8fe0d8c76488 which however... doesn't actually exist.
12:28 mircea_popescu aha
12:28 asciilifeform either of them.
12:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform well, ok. public internets did however, eg https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/a86c3b4efb1be5862dff6740a16cae83a785e78eb8a81b49c6f3337ca8e0b1cc/
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12:29 asciilifeform now that's interesting.
12:29 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: would you care to reveal what you transmitted these with ?
12:29 mircea_popescu notrly.
12:29 asciilifeform well then.
12:30 mircea_popescu but ftr, i only transmitted the first.
12:30 mircea_popescu the 2nd appeared out of unknown parts.
12:30 asciilifeform 2nd from malleatron.
12:30 shinohai Neither show up on the blockchain.info turd
12:30 mircea_popescu anyway ; you probably should have received a copy.
12:30 asciilifeform as with my 5btc leesedol bet a while back, and 1,000,001 folks' other examples.
12:30 mircea_popescu https://blockchain.info/search/a86c3b4efb1be5862dff6740a16cae83a785e78eb8a81b49c6f3337ca8e0b1cc << sees one, not the other.
12:31 asciilifeform ( i assume mircea_popescu sent out a high-S for scientific purposes )
12:42 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: iirc 'blockchain.info' rejects all high-S.
12:42 asciilifeform at the door.
12:45 Framedragger [things are back up. also, doing ssh stuff via shitphone sometimes worx.]
12:48 Framedragger http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160911/#199 << ah, scheiße. unfortunately fix involves rewriting part of the log viewer which is based on regex. (to be clear, my fault entirely, of course). will be done - but not instantaneously, am afraid. thanks.
12:48 scriba Logged on 2016-09-11: [12:23:35] <mircea_popescu> Framedragger http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160910/#217 < example.
12:49 asciilifeform incidentally, is anybody other than Framedragger currently following the http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document conversation ? ben_vulpes ? trinque ?
12:50 asciilifeform jurov ?
12:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: last reply is queued (contains phuctor link) and probably won't show up in trinque's feeder.
12:53 Framedragger asciilifeform: re. "Enemy can spam the channel but each of his packets can be rejected in ~constant time~" - ahh! that clarifies matters for me. will comment on blog later by PC. ttyl
12:54 phf asciilifeform: i'll read it once the dust settles
12:54 asciilifeform phf: it's more or less deadlocked.
12:55 mircea_popescu regex. guaranteed rewrite. every time.
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13:11 mircea_popescu as the australian slut once said to her boyfriend, "roses are red, violets are blue, i'm at mp's house cheating you you eh."
13:16 asciilifeform for anyone who, like phf, has been 'waiting for dust to settle', here's (imho) ~impartial summary: mircea_popescu demands one particular aspect of correct gossiptron: repudiability; and is willing to newjersyize ('best-effort') everything else. asciilifeform demands that the entire thing have strength on par with the basis crypto. mircea_popescu points out that this building demands an escherian, if you will, brick. asciilifeform - d
13:16 asciilifeform isputes this.
13:16 asciilifeform currently it would appear that each is doomed to write own proggy...
13:17 mircea_popescu well, no! here's my version :
13:19 mircea_popescu the matter in dispute is how to handle authentification. one solution is decrypt-challenge. the other solution is signed-hello. i reject signed-hello for a number of reasons, both practical and theoretical, which alf doesn't seem to think much of but which i am satisfied are sufficient to sink any attempt to implement a gossipd on sh. alf purports to reject dc on similar grounds, except i can't find anything like an argument
13:19 mircea_popescu of either kind in his production ; nevertheless he also claims dc is sufficient to sink any attempt to implemnet a gossipd.
13:20 mircea_popescu anyway, discussion of specifix there plox, lest we manage to lose the ~only benefit so far, which is to say that nonsensical as it is, at least discussion is all in one place
13:20 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i drop this here in attempt to coax the lazy folk to join us on your www.
13:21 mircea_popescu the silent are not necessarily thereby lazy! mebbe they're trying to understand the otherwise rather complex an' intricate matter in discussion.
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13:21 mircea_popescu it's been what, two days ? people need time to think.
13:21 asciilifeform hopefully.
13:23 mircea_popescu this said, i see absolutely no problem whatsoever implementing trb nodes on sign-hello.
13:23 asciilifeform i will add that, despite the ~total impasse, this has been the most enjoyable public dialogue i've partaken in, in quite some time.
13:23 mircea_popescu on the contrary, it's how i'd do it too.
13:27 mircea_popescu and for the purveyors of domestic bliss, http://66.media.tumblr.com/a858a8f1b81fa051e6b49f2003f305e5/tumblr_nhytfvUjLo1qecl7ro1_1280.jpg
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13:45 asciilifeform incidentally, i must also add that there are potentially other solutions ( e.g., zkp auth.) that do not reduce to 'sh' or 'dc'.
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14:15 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539646 << aha. I'm certain all of us have been reading the exchange. (I hope some made use of !!subscribe to do so)
14:15 a111 Logged on 2016-09-11 17:21 mircea_popescu: the silent are not necessarily thereby lazy! mebbe they're trying to understand the otherwise rather complex an' intricate matter in discussion.
14:15 * trinque will join the discussion when he has something that hasn't been said, and not simply to "make voice heard" or "join the debate"
14:15 trinque asciilifeform: ^
14:24 ben_vulpes it is the most difficult design problem i've seen and i'm still working to wrap my head around both of your positions
14:25 mircea_popescu gossipd requires time.
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14:44 asciilifeform trinque: fair'nuff.
14:44 asciilifeform my exhortation here was 'say what has not been said,' not 'moar dakka!' (or however these go.)
14:52 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i am quite curious re how you would summarize the point of contention in subj thread.
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14:52 asciilifeform (is it apparent to the naked eye what it is ?)
15:05 asciilifeform unrelatedly,
15:05 asciilifeform as a byproduct of the mega-thread on mircea_popescu's www, i invented a potentially useful item, that probably ought to be shared
15:06 asciilifeform -- an 'all or nothing transform' (term of art) that, unlike, e.g., rivest's, does not rely on the strength of any hash, nor symmetric cipher, nor imposes algebraic structure.
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15:07 asciilifeform i'ma post it once i get a couple of spare hours in which to write it up.
15:17 mircea_popescu ha! /me showered, came out with two ideas : an update for article ; and "i wonder if one could come up with a way to do all-or-nothing transforms that are freeform"
15:17 mircea_popescu epic.
15:17 asciilifeform it is a brain-meltingly simple algo, somewhat like 'v'; and inverting the transform with partial info is provably equivalent to halting problem.
15:17 asciilifeform i must wonder now if mircea_popescu came out with same item i did.
15:20 mircea_popescu nah i had no workable implementation.
15:20 asciilifeform it remains to be demonstrated rigorously that mine does the job as claimed. which is why i haven't posted it quite yet.
15:21 asciilifeform but yes, it is 'freeform' in the sense where no algebraicism (as in rivest's, or the popular OAEP) is imposed, and the output can be as long and entropic as one likes.
15:25 * mircea_popescu will gladly read
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15:48 mod6 <+asciilifeform> incidentally, is anybody other than Framedragger currently following the http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document conversation ? ben_vulpes ? trinque ? << i have.
15:53 mod6 well, looks im a bit behind now.
15:53 * mod6 catches up
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16:09 danielpbarron !!subscribe http://danielpbarron.com/comments/feed/
16:09 deedbot danielpbarron subscribed to http://danielpbarron.com/comments/feed/
16:10 deedbot http://danielpbarron.com/2016/its-better-to-rape-than-to-divorce/ << Daniel P. Barron - It’s better to rape than to divorce.
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16:36 danielpbarron !!subscribe http://bravetheworld.com/feed/
16:36 deedbot danielpbarron subscribed to http://bravetheworld.com/feed/
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17:03 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/09/hillary-clintons-twin-legs-buckle-where-twin-towers-fell/ << Qntra - Hillary Clinton's Twin Legs Buckle Where Twin Towers Fell
17:10 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2016/09/hillary-clintons-twin-legs-buckle-where-twin-towers-fell/ << Updated already!
17:12 BingoBoingo !~bcstats
17:12 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 429349 | Current Difficulty: 2.2075590833037228E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 429407 | Next Difficulty In: 58 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 8 hours, 5 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
17:16 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
17:16 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 598.13, vol: 4934.09455187 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 597.744, vol: 5474.23216 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 605.19, vol: 8992.33187469 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 595.4985, vol: 458276.32550000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 603.22, vol: 809.74956593 | Volume-weighted last average: 595.746528034
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17:39 phf asciilifeform: do you by chance have schematics for your model f controller reimplementation?
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17:49 mircea_popescu and in other news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/7e448afc1e995100d0baf056b881a336/tumblr_ncrdooTK3R1rgqpl0o1_1280.jpg
17:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform also, rivest's scheme is ordered, i was thinking of an order-indifferent k-1 of k packets sorta thing
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18:02 BingoBoingo Updated again, prognosis is dim: http://qntra.net/2016/09/hillary-clintons-twin-legs-buckle-where-twin-towers-fell/
18:03 mircea_popescu hey, wait, i thought they were going to nailgun the other one!!11eleventy
18:03 BingoBoingo Nature has its own nailguns too!
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18:38 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539690 << i used cornall's
18:38 a111 Logged on 2016-09-11 21:39 phf: asciilifeform: do you by chance have schematics for your model f controller reimplementation?
18:40 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539692 << that'd be the exact opposite of 'all or nothing', neh?
18:40 a111 Logged on 2016-09-11 21:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also, rivest's scheme is ordered, i was thinking of an order-indifferent k-1 of k packets sorta thing
18:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what i mean is, iirc rivest just puts key in last packet. there's no reason to have a "last" packet ; why not "one of"
18:44 mircea_popescu thinking being that if the all-xored-with-key packet is specifically known, observer has some advantage in detecting underperforming rng ; but if it's not known then not so much.
18:45 asciilifeform i suspect this is the basic fear that motivates whiteners
18:46 asciilifeform 'they might see my shitrng'
18:47 mircea_popescu very likely.
18:47 mircea_popescu not in defense of shit rngs. but why specify something that needn't be.
18:49 asciilifeform the basic error is same tho
18:50 mircea_popescu hm ?
18:50 asciilifeform it is foolish to design for 'what if my rng silently fails'. it is a 'jesus bolt' failure
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18:50 asciilifeform as on choppers.
18:50 mircea_popescu this is true. but it's quite sensible to design for "least possible rules"
18:51 asciilifeform or how plane is not designed to do any particular constructive thing should the wings fall off.
18:51 asciilifeform all emphasis re wings is on ~not falling off~.
18:52 mircea_popescu actually modern plane is designed to fly if 3 engines fall off etc
18:52 asciilifeform but 0 wings.
18:52 asciilifeform brb
18:52 mircea_popescu but anyway, i suppose this is neither here nor there.
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19:25 phf asciilifeform: ah cool, i think you might've linked that page before
19:28 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-13#1163124 was the original thread
19:28 a111 Logged on 2015-06-13 03:39 asciilifeform: http://downloads.cornall.co/ibm-capsense-usb-web/ibm-capsense-usb.html << anyone here own one of these ?
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20:11 phf hmm
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21:43 * BingoBoingo still greatly prefering phf's lowwwg to Framedragger's
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21:45 * asciilifeform also
21:46 phf cheers, i just refreshed the stack so should be less random bot timeouts
21:47 phf i'm pretty sure cmucl's networking/threading interaction is busted. it shouldn't be, for all practical purposes it's an erlang model (green threads, and async io on vm level), but in practice the code is dodgy..
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22:28 shinohai danielpbarron arrested for planting a bomb: http://archive.is/vsGpQ
22:29 BingoBoingo Nah, danielpbarron doesn't have that droopy eye
22:29 mod6 similar!
22:30 shinohai Could be danielpbarron on lsd
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22:46 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
22:46 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 604.95, vol: 5639.70819372 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 606.03, vol: 6108.4073 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 611.9, vol: 9773.78534644 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 603.20118, vol: 533758.22160000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 611.3, vol: 791.43526673 | Volume-weighted last average: 603.414412468
22:46 BingoBoingo !~bcstats
22:46 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 429383 | Current Difficulty: 2.2075590833037228E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 429407 | Next Difficulty In: 24 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 hours, 32 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
22:49 pete_dushenski in other crickets, http://shop.aketta.com/products/pure-cricket-powder?variant=847196443 << $44 buys you a pound of flour made from 100% milled crickets and has a “deep, earthy, umami flavor with hints of raw cocoa.”
23:01 pete_dushenski http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/uber-deal-in-detail-1.3756402 << hard to be 'disruptive' when all you do is make shitty deals with the soi-dissant powers that be. fuckin uber.
23:03 pete_dushenski obviously a 'cap' of 1.5x surge pricing is retarded and doesn't prevent drivers from being yahoos and scamming riders, as happened to yours truly last month in mtl when driver intentionally disobeyed my command and that of his gps toy and intentionally took wrong turn 'by accident' that led to a detour almost doubling the mileage of the trip
23:04 pete_dushenski to uber's credit, i wrote them an email explaining the situation and they refunded me the fare with almost no hassle to speak of.
23:05 * pete_dushenski is glad to see ben_vulpes blogging again
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23:06 pete_dushenski bloggers of the world, unitit!
23:10 pete_dushenski speaking of making use of blogs, i've taken the liberty of compiling the various #trilema bots, their calls, and their functions onto a single page >> bots.contravex.com
23:10 pete_dushenski feel free to comment, clarify, or add.
23:12 BingoBoingo https://i.imgur.com/fl1n0ib.jpg
23:12 BingoBoingo https://i.imgur.com/RLdcYxW.png
23:14 pete_dushenski that's portland for yaz
23:15 pete_dushenski bash.contravex.com is also in beta. shinohai and i will be working on it going forward :)
23:20 BingoBoingo http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3779582/Nurse-caught-CCTV-having-sex-dead-disabled-girl-s-waterbed-child-s-grieving-foster-parents-allowed-return-work.html
23:22 pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539612 << still stuck eh...
23:22 a111 Logged on 2016-09-11 16:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, ok. public internets did however, eg https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/a86c3b4efb1be5862dff6740a16cae83a785e78eb8a81b49c6f3337ca8e0b1cc/
23:33 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5C90E36ACAF227F40884C95FC6304F9AE04201B80CF895400DF9F244788CF79C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 12821434770207124962218342772669979580034410699894792217009678098194556802269429235901909465304384529740402801239415068853092063888103297243254641064047113 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.60 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.60 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freen
23:33 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/422D344B23210CB546373993313B4C67217FDCD2A5B473AF0E3D73110F7D1334 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 12821434770207124962218342772669979580034410699894792217009678098194556802269429235901909465304384529740402801239415068853092063888103297243254641064047113 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.49 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.49 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on F
23:33 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BC28A8C915BF048456C5294B50EF4E9D0E032024B46778FF29788CEDE94D7EA3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 12821434770207124962218342772669979580034410699894792217009678098194556802269429235901909465304384529740402801239415068853092063888103297243254641064047113 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.125 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.125 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on
23:33 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BD93382E8B0CE07C1F76ACB19483596E3BDB288B5F9C3848B66566790856981A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 12821434770207124962218342772669979580034410699894792217009678098194556802269429235901909465304384529740402801239415068853092063888103297243254641064047113 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.160 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.160 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on
23:33 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/986CBE61250486DABCEC88D21AEBC21E3B49C40F0EB81B86305B3FD41350E0ED << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 12821434770207124962218342772669979580034410699894792217009678098194556802269429235901909465304384529740402801239415068853092063888103297243254641064047113 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.159 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.159 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on
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23:35 BingoBoingo To celebrate these 9/12 phuctorings https://i.sli.mg/0FzhV3.png A SEASON!
23:41 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-12#1539721 << i use phf's search reflexively at this point
23:41 a111 Logged on 2016-09-12 01:43 BingoBoingo still greatly prefering phf's lowwwg to Framedragger's
23:54 ben_vulpes is that girl going to fix her irc ever?
23:54 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539662 << you know i had a whole thing typed out but i think the core is that mircea_popescu is talking connections and asciilifeform is talking blobs
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23:54 a111 Logged on 2016-09-11 18:52 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i am quite curious re how you would summarize the point of contention in subj thread.
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