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00:00 asciilifeform esp. given as in '80s, 'plenty of folks risked, they all died'
00:00 asciilifeform yes, because they did not invent monetize-consumer-chumps as the mega-weapon
00:01 decimation asciilifeform: there's a similar effect in the space industry now adays
00:01 decimation http://spacenews.com/viasats-dankberg-unfazed-by-mega-constellation-hoopla/ < ViaSat Chief Executive Mark D. Dankberg said in a conference call with investors. ?There?s a question of whether making hundreds or thousands of satellites is a feature or a bug.?
00:01 assbot ViaSat’s Dankberg Unfazed by Mega-Constellation Hoopla ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jkc5c7 )
00:02 asciilifeform decimation: the sat folks are attempting a kind of chumpatron where 'let's build tiny sats that last 6 months'
00:02 decimation oneweb is trying to make mega-constellation of leo sats for 'free internets fer all!'
00:02 asciilifeform how this wins, other than by scamming usg, is unclear to me
00:02 decimation viasat guy is pointing out that everyone who has tried - failed
00:02 asciilifeform the actual economics of launches (and the basic tech) haven't changed in decades
00:03 decimation http://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/story/qualcomm-teams-branson-oneweb-satellite-venture-spacex-ceo-pursues-rival-co/2015-01-18 < no oneweb is scaming Branson
00:03 assbot Qualcomm teams with Branson on OneWeb satellite venture as SpaceX CEO pursues rival constellation - FierceWirelessTech ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jkc8EI )
00:03 asciilifeform there was a brief time in '90s when 'discount' launches using repurposed ru nukes on subs were to be had
00:03 asciilifeform but this was not a sufficiently 'mass' phenomenon to make a real difference
00:03 asciilifeform and - afaik - they're through
00:03 decimation http://www.wsj.com/articles/greg-wylers-oneweb-satellite-internet-company-secures-funding-1421278832 < "OneWeb Ltd. said it had secured funding from Richard Branson?s Virgin Group and Qualcomm Inc. for a planned Internet service powered by a constellation of 648 satellites."
00:03 assbot Greg Wyler’s OneWeb Satellite-Internet Company Secures Funding - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jkcf37 )
00:04 decimation 648!
00:04 asciilifeform (repurposed ~rockets~ rather than nuke per se, yes)
00:04 asciilifeform usg scam
00:04 decimation nope, not usg
00:04 decimation http://spaceflightnow.com/2015/06/15/oneweb-selects-airbus-to-build-900-internet-satellites/
00:04 assbot OneWeb selects Airbus to build 900 Internet satellites | Spaceflight Now ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jkchbl )
00:04 asciilifeform ultimately they are gunning for u.s. state dept (yes) funding
00:04 decimation euroscam
00:04 asciilifeform 'internet for d1ss1d3ntz1111!!!111'
00:04 decimation same idea though
00:04 asciilifeform perhaps i'm thinking of a previous iteration of this sc4m
00:05 asciilifeform perhaps somebody ~else~ is the mark this time
00:05 decimation "An 840-satellite constellation named Teledesic went bust in 2002 before its first launch, even with the backing of Bill Gates, cell phone tycoon Craig McCaw and Saudi Arabian Prince Alwaleed bin Talal."
00:05 decimation maybe you are thinking of iridium
00:05 decimation which I think is now actually owned by usg
00:06 asciilifeform important to remember that sat constellation is not a permanent animal in any sense
00:06 asciilifeform more like 'sand painting'
00:06 decimation well, especially leo
00:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48100 @ 0.00040636 = 19.5459 BTC [-]
00:06 decimation atmospheric drag takes sats down
00:06 decimation but you don't want to be outside leo either, because of the radiation
00:06 asciilifeform aha
00:07 asciilifeform wherever you put it, it dies after ~decade, max
00:07 decimation like our recent angry sunspot has demonstrated
00:08 decimation asciilifeform: nope http://ww2.amsat.org/?page_id=1031 < apparently hams still use a satellite launched in 1974
00:08 assbot AO-7 | AMSAT-NA ... ( http://bit.ly/1JkcviE )
00:08 asciilifeform neato
00:08 decimation it's mostly broken, but sometimes the batteries unshort and you can get hemisephric comms
00:08 asciilifeform wonder what it's made of
00:08 asciilifeform vacuum valves ?
00:08 decimation it's pretty simple
00:09 decimation also I think both 'voyager' probes are still functional
00:09 decimation although nearly useless because of the decay in their radiothermal units
00:10 asciilifeform i bet a good share of the scrap metal floating about in space is 'functional' by this definition
00:10 asciilifeform as in, some portion still 'works'
00:10 decimation yeah probably
00:10 asciilifeform but 'usable for the purpose for which was built' - different matter.
00:11 decimation yeah it's sop to overdesign satellites and expect failure
00:11 asciilifeform ... and this is just to get the 5-8 y. expected life.
00:11 decimation which is why it's amusing that the current generation thinks that launching smartphones into space is a great idea
00:11 asciilifeform great idea if usg pays.
00:12 decimation or some $bil chumper
00:12 asciilifeform no one in natoreich has so much as smelled $bil except by mercy of the crown.
00:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17822 @ 0.00040558 = 7.2282 BTC [-] {2}
00:14 decimation yes, in branson's case it was performing 'regulatory arbitrage' on euro airline regulations
00:17 asciilifeform !up Vexual
00:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65517 @ 0.00040361 = 26.4433 BTC [-]
00:18 phf asciilifeform: you might find this interesting http://glyf.org/tmp/bastard-delay.png. red dots are bastards when they are finally accepted, green dots are corresponding failed attempts
00:18 assbot 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1J6TBsE )
00:19 asciilifeform phf: very interesting, and probably deserves to be posted to therealbitcoin mailinglist.
00:19 decimation phf: neat
00:19 asciilifeform (at present everyone who reads it, also reads #b-a, but this is not guaranteed)
00:19 decimation I did a small sample of this, but not the whole deal
00:20 asciilifeform phf: if you generated this with a custom patch for the beast itself, please share this
00:20 decimation the only solution I can think of is to spoon feed nodes in a 'known good' order
00:20 phf asciilifeform: unfortunately not, parsing the log files
00:20 asciilifeform phf: somewhere we have an anti-debug.log-rollover patch
00:21 asciilifeform but perhaps you did this already yourself.
00:21 asciilifeform decimation: the current 'solution' - patience - also works.
00:21 decimation phf: I made a patch to note from which node each block comes
00:21 decimation it's amusing to watch the thing jump around
00:22 decimation asciilifeform: yeah it's certainly not the most pressing problem with bitcoind
00:22 asciilifeform the whole 'one sync partner at a time' thing is also retarded, but trying to do anything about it without bringing back 'bastard cache' is pointless
00:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108200 @ 0.0003982 = 43.0852 BTC [-] {3}
00:24 phf asciilifeform: i ran into log rollover, and had to restart syncing process from scratch. yet another "convenience" anti feature
00:27 asciilifeform phf: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/util.cpp#0771 << zap it
00:27 assbot Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/util.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1JkdQWK )
00:27 asciilifeform trivial change.
00:28 asciilifeform i probably oughta add a commandline flag for this
00:28 asciilifeform as permanent fixture
00:28 asciilifeform (rollover by default, but can be toggled)
00:28 decimation asciilifeform: in the future, it would be useful to set the 'buffer size' for incoming txns in the conf file
00:28 asciilifeform ^ whoever wants to do this, it'd be a good thing
00:29 asciilifeform decimation: mempool size ?
00:29 decimation mapOrphanTransactions?
00:29 asciilifeform gone
00:29 asciilifeform and i see no reason to ever bring it back..
00:29 asciilifeform (anyone?)
00:29 Vexual cunt runs a tight ship
00:30 decimation ah I see, was looking at earlier patch
00:30 asciilifeform Vexual: ship runs tight cunt
00:30 decimation asciilifeform: so does the tx pool consist strictly of those txns which originate from previous block only?
00:31 asciilifeform blocks.
00:31 decimation yeah, previous valid blocks.
00:31 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-06-2015#1154352 << see also.
00:31 assbot Logged on 05-06-2015 00:42:31; asciilifeform: mod6: he rebroadcasts until finds a node that can accept it without 'jam tomorrow'
00:31 asciilifeform yes,
00:31 asciilifeform .
00:32 asciilifeform key point here is that anything without a hard antecedent ~on disk now~ could equally well be random garbage
00:32 decimation yeah
00:32 asciilifeform asking node to accept maybe-verifiable-as-not-rubbish-tomorrow is a jam-tomorrow.
00:32 decimation so when new block is found, and the new block only contains a subset of the existing tx pool
00:32 decimation do the 'non-blocked' txns remain?
00:32 asciilifeform remain where?
00:32 decimation in mempool
00:33 asciilifeform whose mempool
00:33 decimation well, imma node, I hear txns, they all come from previous blocks
00:33 decimation a new block is found, some of the txns in memory are now contained in the new block
00:33 decimation some are not
00:33 asciilifeform they sit, yes
00:34 asciilifeform where would they go.
00:34 decimation also flush
00:34 decimation if you failed to make it in a block, your txn doesn't exist, resend
00:34 asciilifeform out of general principle, ought to retransmit until 'blockified'
00:34 decimation indeed
00:34 asciilifeform because mempool is by nature ephemeral
00:35 decimation thus, node may flush txn at its pleasure
00:35 asciilifeform aha
00:35 asciilifeform by, say, turning off mains plug
00:35 decimation indeed
00:35 decimation or by setting a conf flag for 'how long does txn sit'
00:35 asciilifeform aha.
00:36 decimation or a conf flag for sorting txns by value for a miner
00:36 asciilifeform i will confess that i've always found the whole 'mempool' thing to be a dodge
00:36 asciilifeform why is everybody stuck playing cache for the miners
00:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34370 @ 0.00041082 = 14.1199 BTC [+] {2}
00:36 decimation as in, why does non-miner node even bother with txns?
00:36 asciilifeform aha
00:37 decimation yeah it's kinda masterbatory
00:37 asciilifeform not even sure that it was done for cache, rather than out of some misguided notion of 'anonymization'
00:37 asciilifeform (like the idiot 'change addr' thing)
00:38 decimation asciilifeform: one can imagine an entire new 'metaprotocol' for sufficiently pleasing a miner to accept your txn
00:38 asciilifeform what's wrong with 'fee'
00:38 decimation nothin'
00:39 decimation but it would be nice for the miner to send a polite rejection 'add yer fee'
00:39 decimation this will become explict at some point anyway
00:39 asciilifeform why would they bother to answer ?
00:39 decimation I guess miner 'speaks with sword'
00:39 asciilifeform responsibility of sender of tx to learn what 'going rate' is
00:41 decimation I suppose they can find through out-of-band comms with miner or by 'did it make it into block'
00:41 asciilifeform not sure why any communication other than 'fee' and 'made into block or not' is necessary here
00:42 decimation so n00bs know how much 'fee' to add
00:42 decimation a minor learning curve
00:42 asciilifeform they can look at recently blockified tx-en
00:42 decimation indeed.
00:42 decimation at any rate, making the reference client attractive to miners would be wise
00:43 asciilifeform can't help but wonder if any serious miner will ever touch what he himself did not write
00:43 asciilifeform sorta like mircea_popescu's magical private bitcoind
00:43 asciilifeform why would a 'serious' fella 1) use anything but what himself wrote 2) share so much as a word of it with anyone
00:43 asciilifeform much to lose - little to gain.
00:43 decimation because lazy
00:44 decimation knows more about how to pile asics than how to program bitcoind
00:44 decimation these skills are not the same 'ting' as taleb wrote
00:45 * asciilifeform does not have 'intel dept.' and cannot comment re: what miners do, aside from the trivially observable
00:45 decimation asciilifeform: why would ulbricht keep detailed records of his incriminating evidence on his laptop?
00:45 asciilifeform decimation: because retardation?
00:45 decimation exactly.
00:46 asciilifeform incidentally, prior to the fall of ulbricht, i entertained the notion that sr is run by 'serious person'
00:46 decimation heh me too
00:46 asciilifeform on custom logic, etc.
00:46 decimation in retrospect, using 'tor' was a giveaway
00:46 asciilifeform but folks who actually ~saw~ sr alive tell me that this was always loony.
00:47 decimation asciilifeform: yeah, for instance, sr also ran escrow service
00:48 punkman and hedging service
00:49 decimation asciilifeform: actually what amazes me more is that kim-jung-il doesn't run his own 'silk road'
00:49 decimation err, kim jung-un
00:49 punkman maybe he does
00:49 punkman there's like 3 dozen of them
00:49 asciilifeform between the coke, whores, and 'warcraft' - when ?
00:49 decimation heh
00:49 decimation yeah, but dpr has already shown how to annoy usg
00:50 decimation of course the opm hack did about 1000x more damage to usg
00:50 asciilifeform kju 'annoys usg' in strictly-circumscribed kabuki defined by his elders.
00:50 decimation if only to make it obvious that usg employees can't trust usg to keep them safe
00:51 funkenstein_ i'm not in the know, but always assumed various usg hat wearing agencies mostly competed with other usg hat wearing agencies
00:51 decimation yeah he is just the crazy guy who yells at people until he is placated with rice
00:51 asciilifeform mr mold's term was 'muppet state'
00:51 asciilifeform muppet can 'bite' muppeteer, but to a point.
00:52 decimation yeah, I think yarvin's 'state vs dod' proxy wars make a fair bit of sense
00:58 asciilifeform http://nosuchlabs.com/stats << aaaand we've past 1+M.
00:58 * asciilifeform reaches for gear shift lever
01:00 * punkman hits 500 error
01:00 decimation asciilifeform: are you still feeding gpg keys into it?
01:01 asciilifeform decimation: not as of 2 min. ago
01:01 mircea_popescu just reload punkman
01:01 asciilifeform and yes, sqlite was not meant for this
01:01 decimation how many sks keys exist?
01:01 decimation heh no not really
01:02 asciilifeform ~1.3M rsa-containing keys
01:02 asciilifeform https://sociorocketnewsen.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/wv-57.jpg?w=580&h=345
01:02 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1J6WLg1 )
01:02 mircea_popescu what was sqlite meant for ?
01:02 asciilifeform stamp collections ?
01:03 decimation no, actually it was originall designed to be wedged into a usg radar system
01:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45014 @ 0.00039938 = 17.9777 BTC [-] {3}
01:04 mircea_popescu i thought stamp collectors all use mysql
01:04 decimation "Hipp was designing software used aboard guided missile destroyers, which were originally based on HP-UX with an IBM Informix database back-end. The design goals of SQLite were to allow the program to be operated without installing a database management system or requiring a database administrator."
01:04 decimation !up Vexual
01:05 decimation ^ guy had to wedge relational database into ancient unix shit
01:05 decimation without db admin, or thinking person involved
01:05 mircea_popescu also, branson specialises in being scammed.
01:06 decimation yeah he also invested in that 'space tourism' loltron
01:06 mircea_popescu this "without installing a database management system or requiring a database administrator." reads to me like "car that can be used without breaks"
01:06 mircea_popescu sure, for as long as it can be used it can be used
01:06 mircea_popescu after which...
01:06 Vexual manupause
01:06 decimation yeah, point of db admin is to actually think about how to arrange data
01:06 mircea_popescu decimation isn't he the original "how to make a small fortune ? start with a big one" ?
01:07 decimation heh yeah
01:07 mircea_popescu music label. went to shit.
01:07 mircea_popescu airline. went to shit.
01:07 mircea_popescu "space tourism". shit.
01:07 mircea_popescu you name it, he turned it to shit. shitranson.
01:07 Vexual teeths are shiny
01:07 asciilifeform wake me up when he has problems making rent
01:07 mircea_popescu if they stacked shit that high he could have a twin brother, go whiterafting with the bitcoin godfather pair.
01:09 mircea_popescu i don't get something. what does having more satellites help ? you still have the same problems of intsat whether there's ten or ten thousand.
01:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41100 @ 0.00039603 = 16.2768 BTC [-]
01:10 decimation apparently his airline is still going to shit
01:10 asciilifeform it 'helps' in the sense of (as they hope) setting up money siphon from usg
01:10 asciilifeform to constantly send up 'disposable' boxes into leo
01:11 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175593 << i was worth > 1 bil earlier this year i'll have you know!
01:11 assbot Logged on 25-06-2015 04:12:48; asciilifeform: no one in natoreich has so much as smelled $bil except by mercy of the crown.
01:11 asciilifeform 1b in spendables.
01:11 asciilifeform as in, turkeys.
01:11 mircea_popescu and then mom asked "in what currency" and i said "doesn't matter"
01:11 mircea_popescu turkeys are "spendables" ?!
01:11 decimation mircea_popescu: 'more satellites' is needed because leo
01:12 decimation low earth satellites can only 'see' a small fraction of the earth
01:12 decimation and therefore need lots for coverage
01:12 decimation the reason why you want leo is: latency
01:12 mircea_popescu decimation ok, sure. but all you need is one up. having to up helps maybe some. 200 ? marginal utility decays pretty fast
01:12 mircea_popescu would seem to me.
01:12 decimation speed of light delay from earth to geo and back is intolerable
01:12 decimation no, do the orbital math
01:12 decimation leo is only visible for a few minutes at a time
01:12 decimation a few times per day
01:12 mircea_popescu oh so it's actually needed for coverage
01:12 mircea_popescu aha
01:13 decimation so you a continuous parade to maintain coverage yes
01:13 mircea_popescu basically, if you're gonna do leo telecoms it's either 1k or go home
01:13 decimation yep
01:13 mircea_popescu ic.
01:13 decimation and leo is the only answer to the latency issue
01:13 mircea_popescu right.
01:13 mircea_popescu and your parade won't stay ordered
01:13 decimation nope
01:13 mircea_popescu so this is basically a continual launch deal.
01:13 asciilifeform http://nosuchlabs.com/stats << aaaand we're back.
01:13 decimation exactly
01:14 mircea_popescu nice contract to have.
01:14 decimation and each satellite needs to maintain its orbit, etc
01:14 asciilifeform nah
01:14 asciilifeform these are 'breadboxes'
01:14 asciilifeform no thrusters.
01:14 asciilifeform (at least, last i saw this scam)
01:14 decimation using fuel or magnetorquers
01:14 asciilifeform whole point of the 'microsats'
01:14 asciilifeform no mechanicals
01:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i would suspect they'd have a minimal sail or something
01:14 asciilifeform not the last time i saw this.
01:14 asciilifeform plain cubes.
01:15 mircea_popescu just give them a little assymetry allow them some limited self-righting
01:15 mircea_popescu otherwise this smacks of insanity.
01:15 asciilifeform usganity
01:16 decimation no they have magnets to orient themselves with earth's magnetic field
01:16 decimation but this isn't a simple matter either, obviously
01:16 mircea_popescu anyway, nioce contract to have. basically, it's a "build this many launchers and fire them continuously forever"
01:16 asciilifeform kinda useless if couldn't align
01:16 asciilifeform (horn gotta point down)
01:16 decimation asciilifeform: aye, that's why you also need to align
01:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ~all~ satellite business reduces to that kind of contract
01:16 asciilifeform only question is - how often
01:16 mircea_popescu this seems pretty often
01:16 mircea_popescu both because drag and headcount.
01:17 asciilifeform aha
01:17 decimation how? star tracker: http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/podcasting/StarTrackers.html
01:17 assbot NASA - Star Trackers Lights the Way ... ( http://bit.ly/1BBWn9l )
01:17 mircea_popescu you get 100x as many sats with 0.01x lifespan. 10kx !
01:17 asciilifeform which is why i said, these folks are trying to push scam to a kind of logical conclusion
01:17 decimation yeah the oneweb thing is about an order of magnitude bigger at trying to do something that has failed every time it has been tried
01:17 asciilifeform i predict that eventually they will justify it with talk of 'railguns'
01:17 asciilifeform which will launch microsats 'for free', 'any day now'
01:17 mircea_popescu i dun see why not.
01:18 mircea_popescu they do launch jets off carriers atm
01:18 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXtsGAkyeIo nazi vid got flagged
01:18 mircea_popescu not free of course. but cheaper than steam
01:18 asciilifeform not impossible to build hardware that eats 500g
01:18 decimation the 'why not' is the massive acceleration you have to give with reasonable sized guns
01:18 mircea_popescu faster charge at any rate.
01:18 asciilifeform but costs.
01:18 decimation exactly
01:18 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what's reasonable sized ? could be a mile long for all it matters.
01:19 decimation heh
01:19 asciilifeform mile long vacuum ?
01:19 mircea_popescu just think you're making a bridge
01:19 asciilifeform or mile of atmosphere
01:19 mircea_popescu sure.
01:19 asciilifeform ;;google hochdruckpumpe
01:19 gribble Common Rail Hochdruckpumpe Animation - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbbYsVDD0PI>; V-3 cannon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-3_cannon>; Fortress of Mimoyecques - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortress_of_Mimoyecques>
01:19 mircea_popescu "discouraged atmosphere", soft vacuum
01:19 decimation for one thing you would need a massive capacitor bank
01:19 mircea_popescu so you would.
01:19 mircea_popescu the rail gun is the necessary next step after the cern
01:20 mircea_popescu basically the same hardware involved.
01:20 asciilifeform not physically impossible, just very gnarly.
01:20 mircea_popescu sure.
01:20 mircea_popescu which is what makes for a decent engineering project.
01:20 asciilifeform at any rate, actually building it would run contrary to the spirit of the scam
01:20 * mircea_popescu isn't much into scams.
01:20 asciilifeform that money 'could be snorted'
01:20 mircea_popescu but the rail gun is more substantial than most shit getting funded.
01:21 asciilifeform i can think of 1,001 'substantial'
01:21 decimation it's probably more realistic to launch small chemical rockets factory-style
01:21 decimation like the nazis did, more-or-less
01:21 mircea_popescu decimation dirtier.
01:21 decimation sure, but not a mega-project
01:21 mircea_popescu but this is a mega project.
01:21 mircea_popescu that's the predicate.
01:22 mircea_popescu we want 1k+ launch events each day, and we want a total of 100 tons shipped upstairs a day.
01:22 asciilifeform i bet something like lensed explosive would beat railgun
01:22 asciilifeform with similar engineering constraints
01:22 decimation asciilifeform: or the 'drop nukes behind steel shell' method
01:22 mircea_popescu dirty.
01:24 mircea_popescu http://glyf.org/tmp/bastard-delay.png << great graph thx.
01:24 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1BBWTnL )
01:24 decimation http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/05/bent_flyvbjerg.html > re: megaprojects: " Guest: No, it's actually worse than that. Nine out of ten have costs that are underestimated. Nine out of 10 have benefits that are overestimated, and 9 out of 10 have schedules that are underestimated. So, when you combine those, it's actually a very small fraction of projects that both are done to budgets, to schedule, and deliver the promised benefit
01:24 assbot " + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1BBWTnU )
01:25 mircea_popescu i dun think this yet happened.
01:25 mircea_popescu what's the project that was on time on budget and delivered ?
01:25 mircea_popescu hoover dam was overrun. big dig was... heh.
01:25 mircea_popescu pick it. which ?
01:25 decimation well, for megaprojects ( > $1 bils) the answer is almost none
01:25 Vexual new panama expansion
01:25 asciilifeform that schmuck who hanged self from elevator.
01:25 asciilifeform said - delivered.
01:25 asciilifeform on time!
01:26 mircea_popescu if you ask him it was prolly late
01:26 decimation he points out that the new guggenheim museum in bilbao spain delievered
01:26 mircea_popescu or early, i guess.
01:27 * asciilifeform wonders about the choice of elevator. gotta have been like those old pirate hangings, with hang/unhang/hang/unhang sequence
01:27 asciilifeform thing goes up, down
01:27 decimation hang from elastic climbing rope?
01:27 asciilifeform http://jessamyn.com/barth/colby.html << as described here!
01:27 asciilifeform (classic of engl. literature)
01:28 asciilifeform 'hanging on bouncyball'
01:28 decimation the megaprojects guy describes the failure of the sydney opera house: "The cost overrun was 1400%. And as always when cost overruns happen, the architect was blamed, and his work situation became so uncomfortable, he found that he actually left the project in the middle, with his family, and flew out of Australia, never to return."
01:28 decimation "That means that we don't have any other buildings. It's equivalent to taking Frank Gehry, who is considered the world's most famous architect by now and who is considered to be in the same league as Jørn Utzon regarding doing magic aesthetics and magic buildings. ... That's the cost of the Sydney Opera House. It was not a success; it was a huge failure, in those terms. "
01:29 mircea_popescu i wish to be shown this "magic aesthetics".
01:29 decimation heh
01:29 decimation I knew you would bite on that line
01:29 mircea_popescu afaik the entire thing';s rubbishj, and if you're going to hire fortune tellers, always hire the cheapest.
01:29 decimation what if one fortune teller is amazingly accurate?
01:29 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
01:30 asciilifeform that's like saying 'if going to stot, jump as little as you can'
01:30 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175664 << it is, and remains, the premiere systematic, actual problem of the protocol. somehow, this will have to be fixed.
01:30 assbot Logged on 25-06-2015 04:36:15; asciilifeform: i will confess that i've always found the whole 'mempool' thing to be a dodge
01:30 mircea_popescu asciilifeform thery all deliver the same results.
01:30 asciilifeform same amount of 'lion discouragement' ?
01:30 asciilifeform somebody gotta tell the gazelles this.
01:31 mircea_popescu what lion was discouraged from bilbao ?
01:31 asciilifeform none afaik
01:31 mircea_popescu what, it keeps the muslims orderly in line to raping the spanish hos v 2.0 ?
01:31 asciilifeform picking at the general principle of 'cheapest shaman' observation
01:31 mircea_popescu im unconvinced this is stotting. i don't dispute it could be called that, but then again anything could.
01:32 mircea_popescu nevertheless, the actual behaviour works in nature. and has its own context. this lacks both those factors.
01:32 decimation and of course, in retrospect everything looks like a good deal: "You should ask the people who actually got to pay for the projects and got to pay the extra sums, whether they are happy about it. Of course, later generations are happy about a project, because they get it for free ride. "
01:32 asciilifeform there is also orlov's 'deer hunter' effect
01:33 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175675 << you don't want the bitches talking back. for the obvious reason that if they can, they will, and next you're gonna have voting or some stupidshit like that.
01:33 assbot Logged on 25-06-2015 04:39:01; decimation: but it would be nice for the miner to send a polite rejection 'add yer fee'
01:33 asciilifeform (which sums to the observation that it is possible to breed people to become a kind of cow)
01:34 decimation are miners slaves or the elite?
01:34 mircea_popescu yes.
01:34 asciilifeform !b 2
01:34 assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/07BA2D8.txt )
01:34 Vexual lol
01:34 Vexual pardon
01:35 decimation seems like they are 'commanders of capital' in the classic robber-baron sense
01:35 mircea_popescu hardly.
01:35 decimation what about the pile of asics they gotta buy and feed?
01:35 mircea_popescu what about it ?
01:36 asciilifeform 'Colby asked if he could have a firing squad. No, Howard said, he could not. Howard said a firing squad would just be an ego trip for Colby, the blindfold and last-cigarette bit, and that Colby was in enough hot water already without trying to "upstage" everyone with unnecessary theatrics. Colby said he was sorry, he hadn't meant it that way, he'd take the tree. Tomas crumpled up the gibbet sketches he'd been making, in disgus
01:36 asciilifeform t.'
01:36 decimation as the asic investment gets more expensive, it becomes more centralized and oliogopical
01:36 asciilifeform ^ see also today's asic thread..
01:37 decimation exactly
01:37 mircea_popescu which is why hard forks gotta stay on the table
01:37 mircea_popescu unpleasant as they are.
01:37 decimation what's going to prevent the situation where only two or three miners remain
01:37 decimation and if you want to put a txn on the block, gotta meet their terms
01:37 asciilifeform sorta how working nukes gotta stay on the table
01:37 mircea_popescu if we know this is the case, the blocks change to briock their mining gear.
01:37 mircea_popescu if we don't know this is the case it's not the case.
01:38 mircea_popescu mutually assured anal pain, in the sense they get it.
01:38 asciilifeform 'what is the point of building a doomsday machine if no one is told!' (tm) (r) ('strangelove')
01:39 mircea_popescu "know about it" means something more from physics. "unobservable phenomena are spiritism not physics"
01:39 asciilifeform aha
01:39 asciilifeform (somebody plz tell the 'strings' folks this?!)
01:39 mircea_popescu why, they're cute. everyone watches their "journals" like kitten pics.
01:39 asciilifeform ugh
01:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45400 @ 0.00039603 = 17.9798 BTC [-]
01:41 asciilifeform thing is, like the old-fashioned proverbial nukefest, above scenario works best as a game-theoretical device
01:41 asciilifeform rather than practice.
01:42 asciilifeform if you even smell the practice - your whole system has failed in a catastrophic way
01:42 asciilifeform (picture if the 'anti-centralization hardfork' were a regular event.)
01:43 mircea_popescu da fuckiung world we live in. viasat has been doing satellites forever. google is a newcomer in the field. spacex is a newcomer in general. yet the viasat ceo has to explain why he, the expert, is doing what he's doing. the newb schmucks aren't expected to explain themselves.
01:43 decimation yeah, it sounds like the turkish government
01:43 mircea_popescu fucking upside down alice in wonderland nonsense.
01:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform let me just point out that the theory of "unavoidable monopoly" has issues. for instance, cabs in buenos aires are still un=united.
01:44 mircea_popescu the reason the us has two parties may have more to do with the indolent stolidity of the usians minds than any rule of nature.
01:44 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175523 << see also
01:44 assbot Logged on 25-06-2015 03:55:27; asciilifeform: this is why i believe that the discovery of integrated circuit was a serious 'degutenbergization' from which we have not even begun to recover.
01:44 asciilifeform ic is fundamentally 'statalizing' tech
01:45 asciilifeform like satellite.
01:45 mircea_popescu for a fundamentally broken people.
01:45 asciilifeform for everyone.
01:45 mircea_popescu not all people react to same tech same way.
01:45 decimation the 'two parties' thing kinda became a convenient foil to distract the masses while the bureaucracy runs things
01:45 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175507
01:45 assbot Logged on 25-06-2015 03:49:51; asciilifeform: because there is no way to effectively amortize the astronomical costs without running a scam of one kind or another.
01:45 asciilifeform true for ic. not for cab.
01:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform alchemy was not fundamentally the same thing for chinese and italians.
01:46 decimation yeah, but which alchemy turned lead to gold?
01:46 mircea_popescu what is sailing ? and why has the same tech done different things for the dutch, the english, the spanish, and the latins ?
01:46 mircea_popescu decimation none did.
01:46 mircea_popescu both claimed, very similar almost identical things
01:46 decimation yet, ics ... work
01:46 decimation at least to some definition
01:46 mircea_popescu i just went through 5k lines today of how they don't.
01:46 mircea_popescu well which is it.
01:46 asciilifeform decimation: iirc chinese focused more on the immortality thing
01:46 asciilifeform than gold
01:46 mircea_popescu this is correct
01:46 mircea_popescu but in the same way : philosopher's stone bestows wishes
01:47 mircea_popescu yet they wished infinte time not infiniute money.
01:47 mircea_popescu weird huh
01:47 asciilifeform that's what comes from 'stability' as virtue
01:47 mircea_popescu so not all cultures fuck up tech the same way.
01:48 decimation perhaps not, but nobody makes observable ics yet
01:48 asciilifeform ('infinite money' cultures ended up with equally asinine 'growth as virtue')
01:49 decimation I would agree that if we have a few decades with roughly stable ic fab tech, it's likely that 'growth' will come from genuine design differences
01:50 decimation but you still need $bil to make the thing go
01:50 asciilifeform decimation: not if microshit has a seat at the table.
01:50 mircea_popescu it can not have a seat anywhere.
01:50 mircea_popescu stable means just this : no more sv.
01:50 decimation microshit seems to be capitulating to some degree
01:50 asciilifeform 'genuine design difference' ~requires~ burning last 40 yrs.
01:51 asciilifeform not burned? not genuine difference.
01:51 mircea_popescu and people will, once the moore stops.
01:51 mircea_popescu that was the one pacifier of a thousand quashed hopes.
01:51 asciilifeform it stopped in '07.
01:51 decimation yeah, more-or-less
01:51 asciilifeform wake me up when smell burning.
01:51 decimation it might deliever another cycle or two
01:51 mircea_popescu weren't you arguing that it hasn't stopped when i first proposed this ?
01:52 decimation I was
01:52 decimation intel seems to have legitimate tech to go down another halving or so
01:52 asciilifeform fat lot of good, when, e.g., dram, hasn't kept up
01:52 mircea_popescu doubtful, but anyway. it's a question of when.
01:53 asciilifeform not to mention the 'wriggleysgumizations' introduced by the shrinkage
01:53 asciilifeform lossy dram cells, 'ssd' rot, etc
01:53 decimation but they are scheduling maybe 2016 for 10 nm, maybe http://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/anton-shilov/intels-10nm-cannonlake-processors-due-in-mid-2016-leaked-roadmap/
01:53 assbot Intel’s 10nm Cannonlake processors due in mid-2016 – leaked roadmap | KitGuru ... ( http://bit.ly/1BBZEp5 )
01:54 decimation note that they are admitting they can't make more than 2 cores without yield issues
01:54 mircea_popescu what's the outlook on what they can make if usg dole dries up ?
01:54 asciilifeform hog harnesses.
01:54 mircea_popescu mmmkay.
01:56 * mircea_popescu is kinda curious how budget for next year looks, on that score. does "law enforcement" get triple budget and everything else trims or not.
01:56 asciilifeform more than one way to budget
01:56 decimation mircea_popescu: it might all be moot if usg's interest rate ticks up
01:56 asciilifeform even now they're what, 20% privateer ?
01:56 asciilifeform (as in, actually funded by loot)
01:56 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175691 << this is a very good argument
01:56 assbot Logged on 25-06-2015 04:43:54; decimation: because lazy
01:56 mircea_popescu asciilifeform and they'll be 60% privateer on a tripled budget and it still won't be enough
01:57 mircea_popescu under the very real pressure of a million tiny joe stacks
01:57 asciilifeform enough for what ?
01:57 mircea_popescu i dunno, whatever it is they do.
01:57 mircea_popescu "enforce law"
01:57 decimation might as well go to the roman 'decentralized' system
01:58 asciilifeform wake me up when a hundred, much less million, 'stacks'
01:58 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175705 << not only stupid, but also ignorant. why should he take bitcoin donations ? paypal works fine!
01:58 assbot Logged on 25-06-2015 04:49:07; decimation: asciilifeform: actually what amazes me more is that kim-jung-il doesn't run his own 'silk road'
01:58 mircea_popescu asciilifeform there's been over a hundred this year.
01:58 mircea_popescu there's been about two a week.
01:59 decimation well, if you take the megaprojects guy's arguments at face value, the average megaproject has a 99% chance of failure
01:59 asciilifeform of some schmuck shoots other schmuck? sure
01:59 asciilifeform of schmuck vs usg proper ?
01:59 decimation and considering that every usg agency is effectively a megaproject, usg operates on maybe 1% of its outlays
01:59 mircea_popescu asciilifeform my words were "the very real pressure of a million tiny joe stacks"
02:00 mircea_popescu decimation that's a point.
02:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33950 @ 0.00041193 = 13.985 BTC [+]
02:00 asciilifeform a filthy orc knifing a policeman, or similar, is not a 'joe stack.' in my mind, 'stack' is a fella who inflicts disproportionate damage
02:00 decimation my point being that 'services delivered' by usg are completely unrelated to the money spent
02:00 asciilifeform as in, demolishes a 100m whatever
02:00 asciilifeform (recall the janitor who burned down a nuke sub?)
02:01 decimation asciilifeform: there's a similar story with the recently-released files on the metro 'smoke incident'
02:01 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the point of the pressure is not the damage. merely, civilians that dun like da police.
02:02 mircea_popescu and if i recall you protested that joe stack did not do any damage at all, let alone disproportionate
02:02 mircea_popescu you really gotta pick some sort of an orthodoxy, you're making my head spin. which is it
02:02 asciilifeform herr stack ~did~ burn down an office hell (albeit empty)
02:02 mircea_popescu so which is it!
02:03 mircea_popescu alf can't commit. "well, depends. in this circumstance, it is, in that it isn't, whadda ya want from me! peter pan over here, always young an' happy!"
02:03 asciilifeform l0l
02:03 mircea_popescu hehe
02:04 mircea_popescu in other news, i'm having the world's worst strawberries. they are the size of plums, quite red except the part under the leaf is plain white... what the fuck is with this world.
02:04 punkman seems plausible that orc with knife cost them more than joe
02:05 mircea_popescu crunchy and everything. oh, the strawberries of mine youth...
02:05 decimation http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/ntsb-begins-two-days-of-public-hearings-into-fatal-metro-incident/2015/06/22/1884da66-190e-11e5-93b7-5eddc056ad8a_story.html < metro is run entirely by orcs, who cannot do anything as complicated as reversing a single train
02:05 assbot What Metro train operator heard in tunnel: ‘Yelling, screaming, kicking and banging’ - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1BC0KkQ )
02:05 asciilifeform punkman: question apparently is 'who runs out first?'
02:06 asciilifeform police? or 'antipolice'
02:06 mircea_popescu punkman i can readily see asciilifeform argue that moreover joe stack was part of an obscure bezzlatron to provide office refurbishment at a profit. why not rite.
02:06 punkman they are both in debt already
02:06 decimation the number of "vale're whites" who work for usg far outweighs the number of joe stacks
02:07 punkman my strawberries have a bit of white there too, but this batch is good, smells/tastes like strawberry rather than water balloon
02:07 mircea_popescu i just don't recall ever seeing this, white on a strawberry, as a kid. that's more of a framboise thing
02:08 mircea_popescu however you call em
02:08 decimation heh raspberry
02:08 * asciilifeform ate ~REAL~ strawberries not long ago
02:08 mircea_popescu ah no.
02:08 asciilifeform grown by colleague
02:08 mircea_popescu wtf is it. the tiny strawberry cousin
02:08 decimation alpine strawberries?
02:08 trinque asciilifeform: we've got 'em outside the front door
02:09 trinque way smaller than these giant watery things, but very tasty
02:09 trinque ...and all red
02:09 decimation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fragaria_vesca
02:09 assbot Fragaria vesca - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJrkaW )
02:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81050 @ 0.00041197 = 33.3902 BTC [+] {2}
02:10 mircea_popescu ^vesca aha
02:11 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: земляника
02:11 decimation !up fourhunderdtypes
02:11 fourhunderdtypes i am a little bit of a strawberryfan
02:12 mircea_popescu http://nosuchlabs.com/phuctored << 64!
02:12 assbot Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJruix )
02:12 asciilifeform and where's the rss thing, aha
02:12 asciilifeform b0rk3d ?
02:12 mircea_popescu guy's busy pimpin'.
02:12 asciilifeform eh.
02:13 fourhunderdtypes buried to the bingo boingos in some boss soil
02:13 decimation vexual: why do you aussies always adopt the most fascist usg fantasies?
02:13 mircea_popescu decimation anyway, why the driver indictment ? seems he wasn't allowed to back out
02:14 fourhunderdtypes i can gine -10 fucks on usg
02:14 decimation no I'm indicting the station controller
02:14 decimation who after-the-fact claimed that she told him to back out
02:14 fourhunderdtypes i forget
02:14 fourhunderdtypes u troll surely
02:14 decimation but nobody seems to remember that
02:15 decimation "Incredibly, the second train?s driver, Connie Conner, proceeded into L?Enfant Plaza even after she heard her counterpart in the train a few hundred feet ahead asking for clearance to reverse course and return to the station. A controller says she twice ordered Ms. Conner to stop her train short of the station; Ms. Conner denies it."
02:15 fourhunderdtypes can u dumb it down a little?
02:15 mircea_popescu ah
02:16 decimation "In a separate debriefing, however, ROCC controller Vale?re White contradicted Conner, saying that she did give that order. ?I go, to 510: ?510, stop your train.? I said it to her twice.?"
02:16 fourhunderdtypes oh, right, yes, we're all drunk all day
02:17 fourhunderdtypes and everything coasts 2 million dollars
02:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.00041226 = 13.8107 BTC [+]
02:17 fourhunderdtypes it gets uber cinfusing
02:17 decimation and your construction is shit
02:18 fourhunderdtypes nope
02:18 fourhunderdtypes we miht fail on nukesub, but everything simpler is easy
02:18 decimation but mainly your government seems to want to control the internet
02:18 decimation which is highly amusing
02:18 fourhunderdtypes oh, yeha
02:19 fourhunderdtypes thatll fail
02:20 fourhunderdtypes www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HLY1NTe04M fuck republicans
02:21 fourhunderdtypes i want my shit for free
02:22 decimation why would changing australia into a republic change anything important?
02:22 fourhunderdtypes if i dont marry a foreigner, im not a torrorist
02:23 fourhunderdtypes yeah i dunno, i don't vote
02:23 decimation I heard that marrying a white girl is the same as selling an abo gasoline
02:23 decimation http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/712/396/b9a.png
02:23 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJskeV )
02:23 fourhunderdtypes lol
02:25 mircea_popescu wut, bushwhacker humour not appreciated in the west end ?! WHO KNEW!!!
02:26 fourhunderdtypes hey i could make a ballet
02:26 mircea_popescu http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6v9czop681qg8ft2o1_1280.jpg << i confess the thigh ankle leather wraps are a splendid idea.
02:26 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJszqt )
02:26 fourhunderdtypes the morrocan hash is heavy tho
02:27 mircea_popescu s/ankle/wrist/ anyway
02:27 * fourhunderdtypes likes this
02:27 cazalla decimation, i should do a voice over youtube video for that meme
02:27 decimation heh yeah I thought of you
02:28 fourhunderdtypes fuck the meme, see the balet
02:29 cazalla something in this manner https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gokBHXc5HaU
02:29 assbot It's called Bitcoin, dad - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJsMKb )
02:30 decimation hehe
02:30 fourhunderdtypes yeah thats well and well, but ...
02:30 mircea_popescu !up chewie_
02:34 chewie_ !up
02:37 fourhunderdtypes mmm goat
02:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00041226 = 3.7722 BTC [+]
02:39 fourhunderdtypes " of the crooked timber of humanity no correct thing was ever made. " < this mustbe in my ballet
02:44 punkman !up eatinstrawberry
02:44 punkman http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-court-california-raisins-20150623-story.html
02:44 assbot High court rules against raisin board in dispute over setting aside crops to prop up prices - LA Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJtMhm )
02:54 cazalla eatinstrawberry, ya having a few drinks there vexual?
02:55 eatinstrawberry never
02:56 cazalla while eating muh chicken wings for lunch, i was tempted to go and get some rum but i fell asleep instead.. change of heart once i woke up
02:56 eatinstrawberry oh noes
02:56 eatinstrawberry u felloff the wagns?
02:57 mircea_popescu anbd in today's installment we find that online ad networks are positively fucking insane. the kabuki seems to be, "we serve up some html heavy pages of random nouns and you sign up".
02:57 cazalla nah, still sober (3 1/2 weeks)
02:57 mircea_popescu let aloine the "do you motherfuckers take bitcoin" point, no specs are offered whatsoever. i can't see what fucking sites they run
02:58 mircea_popescu why the fuck would i care to deal with such idiots ? if they had the golden goose, why would i ? they don';t know enough about selling to sell me on their own fucking salesmanship already
02:58 eatinstrawberry u take bitcoin right?
02:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.0004067 = 11.1843 BTC [-]
02:58 cazalla mircea_popescu, you can take the boy out of romania...
02:58 mircea_popescu button, "advertisers" spawns " Overview Audiences Engagement Performance"
02:58 mircea_popescu what the motherfucking hell is this ?!
02:58 mircea_popescu http://exponential.com/advertisers-overview/ << what the shit ?
02:58 assbot For Advertisers - Exponential ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJulaZ )
02:58 eatinstrawberry lol
02:58 mircea_popescu they keep changing names every thirty weeks too, like any internet scammer.
02:59 cazalla eatinstrawberry, try and use "romanian" and "paypal" in a legitimate sentence lol
02:59 eatinstrawberry fucking easy
02:59 mircea_popescu cazalla you know i had an account for a decade +, which ~I~ closed ?
02:59 mircea_popescu business verified, the works.
02:59 eatinstrawberry ive got overt varieties
03:00 cazalla yeah i know where to buy those too :P
03:00 mircea_popescu heck, i'm on the record buying bitcoins with it.
03:00 mircea_popescu how about that. find someone who can buy btc with paypal eh.
03:01 cazalla from someone in your wot?
03:01 eatinstrawberry shall i count to 100?
03:02 mircea_popescu !gettrust rammerhammer mircea_popescu
03:02 assbot Trust relationship from user rammerhammer to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=rammerhammer&to=mircea_popescu | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/mircea_popescu/
03:02 cazalla the amusing part about this, to me anyway, is that /r/bitcoin often promotes bitcoin for use in such countries because of paypal's antics
03:02 mircea_popescu the funny thing to me is that the general internet population assumes nationality = residence.
03:02 mircea_popescu lulz of all time. peasants online.
03:02 mircea_popescu !up fromphuctor
03:03 cazalla on basis i have never left the shores of australia.. i reluctantly agree
03:03 eatinstrawberry whaa?
03:03 mircea_popescu "Maximize your unsold inventory" herp.
03:04 mircea_popescu pulsepoint doesn't even load.
03:04 mircea_popescu jesus fuck the world's coming to an end over here. nobody seems to be doing any work anymore.
03:05 fromphuctor hello
03:05 fromphuctor do I have a voice?
03:05 mircea_popescu "Our Solutions Leadership About Us Careers News Contact" who the fuck thought this is how you do it ? it's almost like the soviet butcher, "we're the advertising shop, we don't have publishers. fish is what they don't have in the shop down the street"
03:05 cazalla also amusing they related a bitcoin transaction with fraud when it is really the antithesis to that sorta thing (except humble bundle who rumour is got carded big time for gaming codes using coinbase)
03:05 mircea_popescu yes. what did you want to say fromphuctor ?
03:05 eatinstrawberry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT5AQIlmM0I
03:05 assbot Flight of the Conchords Ep2 She's So Hot - Boom - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJuDP6 )
03:06 eatinstrawberry fuck i got assbot
03:06 fromphuctor I'm unable to submit my GPG key online to Phuctor
03:06 mircea_popescu cazalla yes, very amusing how the stupid brain doesn't merely fail to work, but manages to work contrary t osense. you'd think this has to be engineered, but apparently iot comes naturally
03:06 mircea_popescu out of bad strawberries.
03:06 fromphuctor it's an as-of-yet unpublished GPG key because I wanted to make sure it's not easily factorable
03:07 fromphuctor it's quite a large key with a few subkeys, total upload size is around 13K
03:07 mircea_popescu fromphuctor well atm it's working through a lengthy list of keys already extant on the sks servers.
03:07 mircea_popescu so what's it say ?
03:07 fromphuctor HTTP 500
03:07 mircea_popescu insist a few times
03:08 fromphuctor okay, I'll keep sending
03:08 fromphuctor I figured it was either failing due to the key being too large or due to it not being published anywhere
03:08 mircea_popescu it's most likely failure due to the fact that the apache bit is last in line at the cpu through
03:08 fromphuctor so it's most likely that phuctor's just too loaded right now?
03:08 fromphuctor gotcha
03:08 mircea_popescu it's been too loaded for months as it cuts through millions of 'em
03:09 fromphuctor is there code I can run locally to attempt to factor it and save Phuctor's CPU time?
03:09 mircea_popescu well, an implementation of gcd is what you need, and the P
03:09 mircea_popescu which is like half a gig by now iirc
03:10 fromphuctor gcd as in the math function? does it exist in a binary?
03:10 fromphuctor and do I need P if I don't particularly care about collisions?
03:10 mircea_popescu uh
03:10 mircea_popescu ok, you've winded me.
03:10 fromphuctor sorry :-|
03:10 eatinstrawberry who?
03:11 mircea_popescu a) if you're looking for binaries it's unlikely your key is your weak point ; b) gcd is an algorithm, i guess you could call it a function. "greatest common divisor" ; c) P is at the core of this, as it looks for MUTUAL divisors
03:11 fromphuctor I'm mainly trying to determine if I have generated a key with bad entropy leading to bad primes meaning easy factorability
03:11 mircea_popescu you could run a probabilistic test on your own machine for your own modulus. if you have a good rng this usually woirks,
03:11 mircea_popescu but it's what gpg does anyway
03:12 fromphuctor so Phuctor's main advantage is that it retains the information it has gained by going through all the other keys?
03:12 mircea_popescu exactly.
03:12 fromphuctor gotcha
03:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00041514 = 12.4542 BTC [+] {4}
03:12 fromphuctor so I don't gain much by just running it locally without P
03:12 mircea_popescu well, again, gpg has a probabilistic test for primality baked in.
03:13 mircea_popescu but nothing keeps you from simplytrying to factor your own modulus on your own machine
03:14 mircea_popescu you could not use gcd for this, however, as gcd is an algorithm to find shared factors, not simply factors. you'd have to have something to compare against.
03:14 fromphuctor alright, sleeves need to be rolled up. I'll probably have to dig into ASN.1, extract the public keys, and then try factoring them with a kludged together Python script
03:14 mircea_popescu !s pgpdump
03:14 assbot 8 results for 'pgpdump' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pgpdump
03:14 fromphuctor better, nice
03:14 fromphuctor in the meantime, I'll probably script something that sends my file to Phuctor repeatedly until I stop getting an error.
03:15 fromphuctor provided that doesn't get me flagged.
03:15 mircea_popescu jsut send it a few times, eh.
03:15 fromphuctor until I stop getting 500
03:15 cazalla !up eatinstrawberry
03:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140250 @ 0.00040365 = 56.6119 BTC [-] {2}
03:20 fromphuctor thanks for the pointers in the right direction, have a great day
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03:45 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175887 <<< i might be uncultured swine but i've never understood the appeal of the opera house.. i'd demolish it if i had my way
03:45 assbot Logged on 25-06-2015 05:28:25; decimation: the megaprojects guy describes the failure of the sydney opera house: "The cost overrun was 1400%. And as always when cost overruns happen, the architect was blamed, and his work situation became so uncomfortable, he found that he actually left the project in the middle, with his family, and flew out of Australia, never to return."
03:46 cazalla this extends as far back as school excursions to the stupid fucking place
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04:12 * mircea_popescu enjoys opera
04:12 mircea_popescu hard to find these days tho. lotta crap.
04:16 davout +1 to opera
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04:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00043133 = 7.7208 BTC [+]
04:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102300 @ 0.0004139 = 42.342 BTC [-] {2}
04:27 cazalla i've never known anyone to go to the sydney opera house for opera, not so sure they even have such things on a reg occurance, more bands, abo dance, international acts sorta thing
04:28 cazalla in other australian news - http://i.imgur.com/fw7Fq8z.png - aussie government welfare app #22, they must be quite happy with that
04:28 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1eIAzyT )
04:31 mircea_popescu better than pool
04:31 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1176185 <<< you actually finished them off? bit shocked tbh
04:31 assbot Logged on 25-06-2015 07:06:30; mircea_popescu: out of bad strawberries.
04:32 cazalla ya should've had kramer take it back
04:32 mircea_popescu "it comes naturally...out of bad strawberries."
04:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61700 @ 0.00043133 = 26.6131 BTC [+]
04:43 cazalla tried growing em one year but possums got to em
04:44 cazalla some japanese variety, forget the name
04:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30806 @ 0.00041208 = 12.6945 BTC [-]
04:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31294 @ 0.00040132 = 12.5589 BTC [-]
04:56 shinohai Good morning, #b-a. If there is a gpg expert here that has a moment to spare I have a question.
04:58 davout shinohai: just ask
04:59 shinohai I am reserching methods of making a larger key and found this: http://teravice.com/wp/index.php/2014/01/22/create-large-gnupg-keys-step-by-step-2/
04:59 assbot Create large GnuPG Keys Step by Step Part 1 (8192 to 16384 bits long) | Technology is in our lives… ... ( http://bit.ly/1dhMu5f )
04:59 shinohai So my question is, is this accurate information?
05:00 shinohai I certainly don't want to do anything that compromises the security f my key intentionally.
05:00 davout shinohai: looks like it would work
05:01 davout except it's probably pointless
05:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00041889 = 6.1786 BTC [+]
05:01 shinohai M'kay
05:01 davout also it's weird that this isn't some sort of constant
05:02 davout if you need to change the code in two places to change a single scalar
05:02 mircea_popescu there is no serious benefit offered by a key larger than 4096. for one thing, we don't currently have any reason to believe even 2k keys can actually be factored.
05:02 mircea_popescu fore the other, at that level it would doubtlessly be cheaper to crack the symmetric cypher involved
05:03 davout that remains to be demonstrated
05:03 davout shinohai: and even if it was more secure you'd still message counter parties with keys that are smaller than yours
05:03 mircea_popescu what, that blowfish or whatever dies before 4096 rsa ?
05:04 davout isn't aes the symmetric cipher used by GPG?
05:04 mircea_popescu you can pick out of a list.
05:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94417 @ 0.00041889 = 39.5503 BTC [+] {2}
05:05 davout if the symmetric cipher security isn't based on the intractability of factoring large numbers you can't really tell which one will be broken before the other
05:06 shinohai Thanks guy. So until such a time that RSA 4096 is broken, we're still quite safe.
05:08 davout there's a difference between a key size being considered insecure and an algorithm being broken
05:08 mircea_popescu quite.
05:08 davout if we find an efficient algorithm for factoring large numbers we can also kiss RSA 8192 good bye
05:08 shinohai O.o
05:09 mircea_popescu that's basically the idea here. 4k is large enough, 8k doesn't improve anything.
05:09 davout and hand around one-time pads at conferences
05:09 mircea_popescu anyway, im off. laters!
05:10 shinohai o/
05:10 shinohai Thanks for your help again! I'm akways trying to learn and not make terrible noob mistakes.
05:10 shinohai At least not constantly.
05:11 davout shinohai: if you want to improve your crypto skills do the matasano challenges
05:11 davout http://cryptopals.com/
05:11 assbot The Matasano Crypto Challenges ... ( http://bit.ly/1dhNaYo )
05:12 shinohai That looks interesting, bookmarked.
05:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52900 @ 0.00041746 = 22.0836 BTC [-]
05:24 shinohai https://youtu.be/RJm3cRRvPoM <<< just wow.
05:24 assbot Selling a 10 oz Silver Bar for $10 (When It's Worth $160) - EXPERIMENT - - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1fE7aWR )
05:25 shinohai Why yes, you *can* have my cup of ramen noodles.
05:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 89 @ 0.01234224 = 1.0985 BTC [-] {5}
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05:54 cazalla shinohai, did ya know mark dice is A) major clickbait faggot B) goes around offering gold coins and silver bars really cheap but when someone tries to take him up on the offer, he refuses and just edits the footage so as not to include it
05:57 shinohai I did not know that cazalla though he struck me as kind of a douche.
05:58 cazalla he was a protege of alex jones but got all butt hurt and so pretty much copies everything that loon does
05:59 shinohai If he reneged on said offer to me, I'd pribably go to jail for assault.
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09:02 shinohai https://i.imgur.com/S4ndtvH.gif
09:02 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NexiCm )
09:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25006 @ 0.00039483 = 9.8731 BTC [+]
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09:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7540 @ 0.00039146 = 2.9516 BTC [-]
09:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00039146 = 6.3808 BTC [-]
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09:51 punkman !up Anduck
09:51 Anduck thanks
09:51 Anduck ok well, anyone know how to verify deedbot.org deeds?
09:52 Anduck there's no documentation about that.
09:52 Anduck no code either
09:52 punkman I think you just gotta SHA256 the deed bundle and use that as the private exponent
09:53 Anduck hmm, seems to work. thanks!
09:56 punkman http://www.cnbc.com/id/102784968
09:56 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QREQB1 )
09:57 punkman "Ades Stone talks about the Treasury's decision to put a woman on the $10 bill and why she thinks a woman should be on the $20, too."
09:59 punkman "please show your support by joining our Virtual March to the White House, using the hashtag #DearMrPresident."
09:59 punkman oh they got virtual marches nao
10:00 punkman because too fat to walk
10:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.00039146 = 10.2954 BTC [-]
10:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15915 @ 0.00039468 = 6.2813 BTC [+] {2}
10:20 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1174811 << ya
10:20 assbot Logged on 25-06-2015 00:11:52; williamdunne: Is this DPB? http://cointelegraph.com/storage/uploads/view/f42abf63ce15666be179844d74acfa74.jpg
10:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28250 @ 0.00039146 = 11.0587 BTC [-]
10:28 chetty scotuscare lives :/
10:33 shinohai America the beautiful: http://www.biebuzz.com/2015/06/a-man-from-alabama-has-been-charged.html
10:33 assbot A man from Alabama has been charged with sexually harassing a dog as he sought to get revenge on his wife who was giving it too much attention. | BieBuzz ... ( http://bit.ly/1BDxEkX )
10:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19863 @ 0.00039483 = 7.8425 BTC [+]
10:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00039483 = 8.1335 BTC [+]
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11:25 decimation http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/25/us-usa-court-healthcare-idUSKBN0P51V220150625 < ""Congress passed the Affordable Care Act to improve health insurance markets, not to destroy them," Roberts wrote in the court's decision, adding that nationwide availability of the credits is required to "avoid the type of calamitous result that Congress plainly meant to avoid.""
11:25 assbot U.S. Supreme Court upholds key Obamacare insurance subsidies| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cw36Nc )
11:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00039083 = 4.8658 BTC [-]
11:25 decimation people have hanged for the letter of the law
11:28 decimation it's a colossal joke that this ruling gets handed down by the king's judges, in the 800th year of the magna carta - which itself was a joke and used as propaganda
11:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17150 @ 0.00039483 = 6.7713 BTC [+]
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11:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00039898 = 6.7827 BTC [+]
11:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00039956 = 4.555 BTC [+]
11:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.17692587 = 1.5923 BTC [-] {2}
11:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00040389 = 4.6447 BTC [+]
11:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.16749 = 1.5074 BTC [-] {3}
11:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.17692587 = 1.2385 BTC [-] {4}
12:02 fluffypony mircea_popescu: https://imgur.com/a/WjQbx
12:02 assbot Bitcoffee, Buenos Aires, Argentina - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1TP3dhJ )
12:13 shinohai "El cafe que te vuelve inteligente" <<< I drink, I get smart
12:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00040389 = 8.0778 BTC [+]
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12:48 mats not quite
12:49 mircea_popescu fluffypony i think i had a cup there with mthreat coupla weeks ago. coffee's not bad
12:50 fluffypony very cool
12:51 mircea_popescu silver down to 16 huh ? where is that guy came in here was an expert that hadn't been wrong in a decade knew for usre silver's going up ?
12:53 mats ;;seen badon
12:53 gribble badon was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 20 weeks, 6 days, 6 hours, 58 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <badon> hi punkman
12:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00039964 = 10.6704 BTC [-] {2}
12:58 mircea_popescu i guess it's gonna go up eventually.
12:59 mircea_popescu provided silverware comes into fashion with the chinese middle class or something
12:59 mircea_popescu <shinohai> If he reneged on said offer to me, I'd pribably go to jail for assault. << over a hundred bux ? what are you, bugsy ?
13:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00039956 = 9.2698 BTC [-]
13:02 * asciilifeform discovered, during unrelated research, that xilinx's 'coolrunner' cpld series - a very simple programmable logic gizmo with very homogeneous/regular physical structure - can hold a simple risc cpu...
13:02 mats neat
13:03 asciilifeform z80-style, lacking multiplier & divider
13:03 asciilifeform and scarcely room for barrel shifter
13:03 asciilifeform but cpu, yes
13:04 mircea_popescu he has a point tho. anyone feel like writing up a documentation page for trinque to stick up there ?
13:04 mircea_popescu <punkman> "Ades Stone talks about the Treasury's decision to put a woman on the $10 bill and why she thinks a woman should be on the $20, too." << "because they've not done anything worth the mention so perhaps if we do they start ?"
13:05 mircea_popescu <danielpbarron> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1174811 << ya << shit, there go my ocr skills!
13:05 assbot Logged on 25-06-2015 00:11:52; williamdunne: Is this DPB? http://cointelegraph.com/storage/uploads/view/f42abf63ce15666be179844d74acfa74.jpg
13:07 mircea_popescu asciilifeform well z80 had a multiplier and iirc shifter
13:07 asciilifeform mats: this is a pretty major result, imho. because the cpld products haven't changed in nearly a decade, and their internal structure is extremely regular (no special-purpose blocks)
13:07 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: no multiplier
13:07 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: go, look
13:07 asciilifeform and iirc had ordinary, not barrel, shifter
13:07 mircea_popescu o.O
13:07 asciilifeform (barrel shifter, named for the characteristic physical shape of the circuit on the die, allows shifting n bits in one clock cycle)
13:09 mircea_popescu http://cpctech.cpc-live.com/docs/mult.html < right you are.
13:09 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GAu3QK )
13:10 mircea_popescu http://sgate.emt.bme.hu/patai/publications/z80guide/part4.html << considering all the work one has to go through to mult. i dunno, i recalled it had the instruction. i guess memory rots.
13:10 assbot Z80 Assembly ... ( http://bit.ly/1GAu9YH )
13:10 asciilifeform everyone forgets the gruntwork, remembers the joy, aha
13:12 mircea_popescu lol
13:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.0004022 = 10.5376 BTC [+] {2}
13:16 asciilifeform ;;later tell kakobrekla those headphones suck donkey ballz. sound like russian telephone.
13:16 gribble The operation succeeded.
13:16 mircea_popescu russian chocolate good, russian telephone bad mkay!
13:17 shinohai @ mircea_popescu truth and honesty have a far greater value than anything else. Besides,he has a face like Mark Zuckerberg that you just want to punch for no reason.
13:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'iphone' sounds similar
13:17 mircea_popescu shinohai you mean a... pause... BABY FACE ???
13:18 shinohai >.>
13:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23221 @ 0.00039895 = 9.264 BTC [-] {2}
13:18 asciilifeform 'face like Mark Zuckerberg that you just want to punch for no reason' << we call this 'морда просит кирпича' (mug that begs for a brick)
13:19 shinohai I like the Russian idiom
13:21 shinohai My sides: http://redd.it/3b2ajg
13:21 assbot VPS with GUI? : beermoney ... ( http://bit.ly/1TPf3IH )
13:21 mircea_popescu "fata care cere palme" < face that demands slapping
13:22 asciilifeform betcha even pygmies have this phrase
13:22 asciilifeform even eskimo
13:22 shinohai Is that Romanian ?
13:22 mircea_popescu ~92 Online Moneymakers
13:23 mircea_popescu heh. advertising, amirite ?
13:23 shinohai I see little point in running a VPS to make $20 in Amazon giftcards
13:24 shinohai But, to each his own.
13:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34421 @ 0.00039402 = 13.5626 BTC [-] {2}
13:29 kakobrekla asciilifeform which, superlux ?
13:30 asciilifeform aha
13:30 kakobrekla amplified?
13:30 asciilifeform sound card
13:30 kakobrekla doh
13:31 asciilifeform why?
13:31 asciilifeform what does kakobrekla connect them to ?
13:31 kakobrekla integrated amp
13:31 asciilifeform integrated into what?
13:32 kakobrekla its what amp+preamp is called, comes with volume control and input selector
13:32 asciilifeform thing is, sound card is precisely how loud i want them
13:33 kakobrekla its not about loudness
13:33 kakobrekla this is what they are plugged into http://www.hifiengine.com/images/model/denon_pma-350se_stereo_integrated_amplifier.jpg
13:33 kakobrekla bought it 10 years ago
13:33 asciilifeform let me guess - they aren't standard impedance ?
13:33 kakobrekla 64 iirc
13:34 kakobrekla but thats china spec
13:34 kakobrekla god knows really
13:34 kakobrekla even so, the impedance is not fixed through the freq response
13:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00040389 = 2.7465 BTC [+]
13:34 kakobrekla so whatever
13:34 asciilifeform comparing with bog-standard 'bose qc15' which ~don't~ sound like russian telephone
13:34 asciilifeform without any weird amp box
13:35 asciilifeform everyone loves to piss on that vendor but who, precisely, else, makes usable headphone.
13:35 kakobrekla that comparison i was making with sennheiser hd 595 and hd 650 was on 10k source+preamp
13:35 kakobrekla overall superlux won.
13:36 asciilifeform even the earpads on the 'superlux' feel terrible - no sweat pores; rather like a public bus seat
13:36 kakobrekla yeah, i paid 7$ to get the 'velour' ones
13:36 kakobrekla or whatever that thing is
13:37 kakobrekla i dont know how some people dont mind that plastic, its horrible.
13:38 asciilifeform i'm told that in usa folks in prison get headphones. and now i imagine i know what kind.
13:39 kakobrekla anyway, if you have a chance to at least try them semi properly driven, please do.
13:39 asciilifeform kakobrekla: is that a vacuum valve amp ?
13:39 kakobrekla no
13:40 * asciilifeform has a supply of vacuum valves, scavenged from ancient tv sets, has contemplated building amp. but this will happen - if happens - after the war.
13:40 shinohai @ asciilifeform you can build a vaccum amp O.o
13:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14507 @ 0.00039022 = 5.6609 BTC [-] {2}
13:41 kakobrekla its easier than doing it solid state
13:41 asciilifeform would have to obtain sockets. and clean +100 dc..
13:41 shinohai I used to play guitar. I never liked solid state amps
13:42 asciilifeform http://lurkmore.to/%D0%A2%D1%91%D0%BF%D0%BB%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%B7%D0%B2%D1%83%D0%BA << obligatory
13:42 assbot Тёплый ламповый звук — Lurkmore ... ( http://bit.ly/1TPikaT )
13:42 asciilifeform 'warm lamp sound'
13:42 asciilifeform (meme)
13:43 asciilifeform mega-popular taunt in ru sphere, applied to various 'voodoo'
13:43 kakobrekla i have a tube powered dac but my main power amp sits at 40kg of solid state
13:44 asciilifeform tube dac ?!
13:44 asciilifeform as in, 16 bits of tube ?
13:44 kakobrekla no
13:44 kakobrekla its a sigma delta , yes not even r2r but theres a rectifier and two output tubes
13:45 asciilifeform iirc someone even sells a pc mobo with lamps
13:45 asciilifeform (for preamp)
13:45 asciilifeform http://lurkmore.to/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Tubesound.jpg << there it is!
13:45 assbot Файл:Tubesound.jpg — Lurkmore ... ( http://bit.ly/1TPiQFV )
13:46 * shinohai wants to learn Russian so badly.
13:46 kakobrekla heres a pic http://www.computeraudiophile.com/attachments/f8-general-forum/635d1338219955-logitech-transporter-back-good-modwrighttransporter1.jpg
13:46 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1TPiX4n )
13:46 asciilifeform kakobrekla: what are the antennae for ?
13:46 kakobrekla wifi if you like
13:46 asciilifeform l0l
13:47 kakobrekla it streams flac from the server
13:47 kakobrekla so thats bout 2k albums at the touch of a button, convenient.
13:48 kakobrekla (as for the remote, you can actually ssh into it)
13:48 shinohai I saw a Samsung tube amp wifi receiver for a home theater once
13:48 shinohai I didn't know anyone still made them.
13:48 kakobrekla most of the sw is opensource btw.
13:48 asciilifeform most?!
13:49 kakobrekla perhaps even all, havent checked.
13:49 kakobrekla this runs on secondary network btw.
13:50 kakobrekla <asciilifeform> most?! < quite sure you dont get specs for arm runnin inside it and so on
13:51 kakobrekla so, secondary network or stick with vinyl
13:51 asciilifeform shinohai: go, learn. whatchawaitingfor.
13:52 shinohai Hopefully to find a native speaker, which is impossible in my small city.
13:52 shinohai I have put out ads for 2 years offering to hire a language tutor.
13:53 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu turns out, bitcoind 0.5.4 shitgnomatic edition existed.
13:53 gribble The operation succeeded.
13:53 asciilifeform mircea_popescu, mod6, ben_vulpes, et al: i just don't get this 'let's use same name & versions as the fools did' thing. when we build martian city, will we name it 'washington' or 'pyongyang' ?! why?
13:55 mats pimsleur, rosetta stone, duolingo. your tutors await.
14:01 kakobrekla hehe the foundation has same name, wai not versions
14:02 * kakobrekla just bitching at the unrecognizability of the f name
14:04 decimation kakobrekla: so the sigma-delta is implented with tube or does it merely use tube as output amplifier?
14:04 decimation or active filter?
14:05 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: What about cutting off the leading zero. Then actual releases start at version 7 or 10, following in the tradition established by the early Linux Distros.
14:07 kakobrekla decimation as far as i can tell tubes are there as output buffer, feeding of sigma delta dac
14:07 decimation okay, interesting
14:07 kakobrekla the device originally came w/o the tube, the mod was an aftermarket thing
14:08 kakobrekla http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/modwright3/transporter.html
14:08 assbot 403 Forbidden ... ( http://bit.ly/1TPmdwv )
14:08 decimation I think for most cases there is almost no difference
14:08 decimation but if you are clipping or have momentarily large signal, the behavior in the 'non-linear' domain of the amplifier will be different between tubes and transistors
14:09 decimation I've been told (haven't experimented) that tubs tend to create even harmonics while transistors odd, when driven to near saturation
14:09 kakobrekla yeah theres a thing with harmonics
14:10 decimation I suspect the difference would be most noticable if you were using it as a guitar amp and then driving the thing to distort
14:11 kakobrekla since you mention ss, i tried solid state rectifier replacement instead of tube rectifier. it was a mega fail.
14:11 decimation as in, power rectifier?
14:11 kakobrekla yes!
14:12 decimation umm, use diode?
14:12 kakobrekla i assume thats in the ss replacement
14:12 kakobrekla havent opened it tho
14:12 kakobrekla i can now, since its crap.
14:13 decimation how did it fail? buzzing or spurious signals?
14:14 kakobrekla the sound became unpleasant to listen to, harsh, loss in detail and huge loss in soundstage
14:15 kakobrekla i was expecting it to beat all other tube rectifiers i have
14:15 decimation interesting
14:15 kakobrekla because technically its better.
14:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00040397 = 7.1099 BTC [+] {2}
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14:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00039667 = 9.9168 BTC [-]
14:47 mod6 asciilifeform: ... 0.5.4 shitgnomatic edition existed << that's weird. I did check the bitcoin git tag list, 0.5.4 isn't in there. Where do you see 0.5.4?
14:48 asciilifeform mod6: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/release-notes/release-notes-0.5.4.md
14:48 assbot bitcoin/release-notes-0.5.4.md at master · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmcECg )
14:49 mod6 huh
14:50 kakobrekla early 2014. year and a half, feels like ages.
14:51 asciilifeform 0.5.4 is much older
14:51 asciilifeform 2014 is the timestamp on the ~dir~
14:51 kakobrekla aha
14:51 asciilifeform .. or is it
14:51 mod6 maybe they never actually created a release out of that? I see no tags for 0.5.4 or 0.5.5
14:51 asciilifeform hm
14:52 mod6 I don't see it in "Releases" either, but there isn't a v0.5.3 in there either.
14:53 mod6 lol
14:53 mod6 oh yeah there is, nvm, im blind
14:53 mod6 it's out of order a bit
14:53 asciilifeform https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/MPEx.co << new l0ltron
14:53 assbot Wallet MPEx.co [WalletExplorer.com] ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmdcrU )
14:54 mod6 but yeah, i don't see any release artifact for v0.5.4 or v0.5.5
14:54 mod6 maybe it was planned, but then scrubbed and went straight to 6?
14:54 mod6 who knows.
15:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34050 @ 0.00039232 = 13.3585 BTC [-] {2}
15:03 asciilifeform https://www.elliptic.co/anti-money-laundering << usgtron with elaborate graph ad
15:03 assbot Anti-Money Laundering - Elliptic ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmebYZ )
15:03 asciilifeform (needs js)
15:03 BingoBoingo <mod6> maybe it was planned, but then scrubbed and went straight to 6? << They have been scrubbing the Github of old releases in recent months it seems
15:03 mod6 ah
15:05 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: perhaps walks around with big sign on ass saying "kick plz"
15:05 ben_vulpes if in tank, nbd
15:06 ben_vulpes if unarmored sapper, perhaps more of a big deal
15:06 thestringpuller mod6: so jeezy is playing tonight downtown in celebration of the 10th anniversary of tm101. and i didn't know about it. i'm half tempted to get 500 cash and go find some ticket scalpers
15:06 asciilifeform what's a tm101 ?
15:06 thestringpuller !b 2
15:06 assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2R9DXG8.txt )
15:08 asciilifeform https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/6211 << also lulzy. phoundation regards 'buildable with classic gcc' as a bug !
15:08 assbot RFC: switching to C++ 11 · Issue #6211 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmeItS )
15:08 asciilifeform couldn't make this shit up if i tried.
15:08 mod6 asciilifeform: hey btw, I don't think that your patches { turdmeister-alert-snip && goodbye-win32 } ever made it into the email list.
15:08 mod6 thestringpuller: nice man! yeah, that'll definately be a cool show.
15:09 asciilifeform https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/6320 << where they bury their shat-in pants
15:09 assbot Wanted: Mar12Fork.dat · Issue #6320 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmePG7 )
15:09 asciilifeform mod6: pretty sure it's in there
15:09 thestringpuller mod6: make me feel better for likley not being able to see it
15:10 asciilifeform mod6: you're right! those pre-date the turdatron working correctly
15:10 asciilifeform mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/index.html has the patches, and jurov has the sigs
15:10 assbot ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmeYt6 )
15:10 asciilifeform (and i think they're also in your auto-build thing)
15:11 asciilifeform https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/6091 << turdalicious bitcoind barfs on mips arch
15:11 assbot bitcoind bus error on MIPS ci20 running debian · Issue #6091 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jmf43Q )
15:11 jurov http://dilbert.com/strip/2015-06-25 re: today's morning log
15:11 assbot Dilbert's App Stops Cyber Attack - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2015-06-25 | Dilbert by Scott Adams ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jmf1Fi )
15:11 mod6 asciilifeform: hmm, i can't find them. i've looked probably half-a-dozen times over the last 5 months. unless its contained in here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2014-October/000001.html (attachment.bin)
15:11 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jmf2c6 )
15:11 * asciilifeform has a mips ci20 but not tried it for bitcoin, considering its cost it is not a viable successor for 'pogo'
15:11 asciilifeform mod6: see above
15:12 mod6 <+asciilifeform> mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/index.html has the patches, and jurov has the sigs <<< ooh, ok.
15:12 assbot ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jmf6J8 )
15:12 jurov http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html
15:12 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jmf6Zy )
15:12 asciilifeform ^ there
15:12 jurov ^ i see rm_rf_upnp there
15:12 asciilifeform win32 - missing
15:12 asciilifeform hm
15:12 mod6 yeah i added the tarballs right in website myself... just was curious that i never saw the emails.
15:13 kakobrekla << usgtron with elaborate graph ad < meh i checked the yellow dots but there is everybody but bitbet. even jurovs coinroll is there
15:14 mod6 yeah, as far as the version number, in hindsight; going forward, we should probably keep all version bumps in it's own patch incase something changes. i.e. your latest IRC Full Demolition Patch.
15:14 asciilifeform mod6: aha
15:14 asciilifeform good point
15:14 asciilifeform i'll sign an identical patch sans the bump if anyone needs this.
15:15 mod6 if we do anything else other than 5.4, that'd probably be good cause otherwise we'll hvae to patch your patch. :]
15:15 * kakobrekla blames the css
15:16 mod6 <+thestringpuller> mod6: make me feel better for likley not being able to see it << just throw it on your mp3 player and start hustlin'
15:17 mod6 im about to turn it on myself. lol.
15:17 trinque thestringpuller: now you've got me listening to young jeezy over here
15:18 kakobrekla isnt that puberty music?
15:18 trinque you're puberty music
15:19 trinque (yeah, it probably is)
15:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36844 @ 0.00040177 = 14.8028 BTC [-] {2}
15:23 mod6 so we've talked about the versioning quite a bit since October. The deal is, if we talk about nothing other than just the format ( X.X.X.X ), we know that we'll have to change much more code than just one line to give it a new version number, as there is a bunch of stuff in there that is used to parse this value.
15:24 asciilifeform imho it ought to be distinguishable from shitgnomatic bitcoin with the naked eye, incl. in survey charts like the one linked a few days ago
15:24 mod6 And if we wanna call it version 69.69.69.69 then there was some sort of concerns here surrounding weather or not we'd be able to connect to other nodes. I'd have to go back and look and dig through the code a bit though, I can't recall it all off hand.
15:24 asciilifeform but mircea_popescu seems to disagree. ask'im why
15:25 mod6 well, my concerns were of a technical nature anyway.
15:26 mod6 we could try some other version like 1.0.0.0 and see what happens i guess.
15:26 mod6 I don't think that's ever been attempted iirc.
15:26 asciilifeform worth a test
15:27 asciilifeform unrelated: anybody try capping mempool size ?
15:27 thestringpuller mod6: thank you! tm101 is blastin in my headphones
15:27 mod6 yeeeeeah
15:27 asciilifeform afaik this is the last 'blank cheque' left in the skull'n'crossbones version of therealbitcoin
15:28 asciilifeform it needs to go.
15:28 asciilifeform unbounded data structure on a finite machine is retarded
15:28 thestringpuller asciilifeform: but what about the instant stuff like green addres?!?!?!?
15:28 asciilifeform (news at 11!)
15:29 asciilifeform waiwut
15:29 asciilifeform the ancient discredited retardation?
15:29 asciilifeform or some other 'green address'
15:30 thestringpuller asciilifeform: how would you cap it? anything below some transaction fee is purged from mempool when gets greater than N-mb?
15:30 mod6 <+asciilifeform> unrelated: anybody try capping mempool size ? << not me yet. there's a laundry list of stuff to get through yet.
15:30 mod6 this is a good idea though.
15:30 asciilifeform thestringpuller: right now it is 'capped' by the ram installed on your box...
15:30 asciilifeform this is lunacy
15:30 mod6 im currenty building a new AMI for gentoo so I/we can test wtf is going on in there with gcc/uclibc. I should be done with that in a few hours.
15:30 thestringpuller i know but how would mempool be effectively capped so nodes don't purge "important" tx's if people spam network
15:31 mod6 Then I'm gonna need to cut away from working on that on Saturday afternoonish at the latest to work on the SoBA -- which is looking to be lengthy for this month.
15:31 asciilifeform thestringpuller: shooting the tx orphanage in the head rid us of the most obvious spam vector
15:31 asciilifeform a sp4mz0r would have to spam with ~realistic~ tx
15:31 asciilifeform that is, valid sig, and depending on existing block
15:32 asciilifeform as i understand, they'd more or less have to be attempted doublespends
15:33 asciilifeform it is important to remember that there is no 'important' tx from the point of view of the network
15:33 asciilifeform only valid and invalid
15:33 * mircea_popescu waves
15:33 mircea_popescu o hai briggle!
15:34 asciilifeform there he is.
15:35 thestringpuller asciilifeform: even valid transaction can approach infinity
15:36 mircea_popescu <shinohai> Hopefully to find a native speaker, which is impossible in my small city. << so buy a bride. ukr won't be cheap much longer.
15:36 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> ;;later tell mircea_popescu turns out, bitcoind 0.5.4 shitgnomatic edition existed. << makes exactly 0 difference.
15:36 mircea_popescu and "washington" or "pyongyang" are NOT NUMBERS.
15:36 mircea_popescu four followds three. this is not a function of anyone's idiocy.
15:37 mircea_popescu will you propose ~WE~ change the versioning number when (not if) some OTHER shitgnomes release a faux version downstream ?
15:37 asciilifeform thestringpuller: what means 'approach infinity' ? if tx is valid, nondoublespent, and has adequate fee, it is 'every bit as tx' as yours or mine
15:37 mircea_popescu do you expect torvalds to consider what random shitforbrains released as "linux kernel" and go "hey guise we can't use version x.x, anon shitforbrains used it fiorst!!11" ?
15:37 mircea_popescu we.do.not.care. this is because they.do.not.exist.
15:38 mircea_popescu there has been no version of bitcoin released past 0.5.3 ; we are releasing the first one. it's 0.5.4
15:38 mircea_popescu that's all there is to it.
15:38 thestringpuller asciilifeform: if the valid tx's submitted to the network approach a large number that is greater than modest machine's memory capacicty
15:38 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i grasp the logic, but notice that we sit in the gigantic spamatronic shadow of the phoundation. if nobody gives a fuck, there isn't much else to be said about this
15:38 thestringpuller which one's get purged?
15:39 mircea_popescu i think you're not particularly qualified to make this call. what shadow ?
15:39 asciilifeform thestringpuller: the present situation is that they ~all~ 'get purged' when your box goes down.
15:39 mircea_popescu is this some sort of "consensus" that they have or something ? again ?
15:39 thestringpuller asciilifeform: this i understand. my asking is what are you proposing before machine goes down?
15:39 mircea_popescu plox no more memory holing kthx.
15:39 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i did say 'spamatronic' - i.e. search engine crud.
15:40 mircea_popescu looky here : they live in my shadow.
15:40 mircea_popescu this is an experimentally verified fact.
15:40 * asciilifeform not professional spamatronicist, cannot say whether this makes a difference one way or another
15:41 asciilifeform thestringpuller: i don't have a specific proposal except that the machine ~must not go down~
15:41 asciilifeform that scenario is undesirable regardless of what else.
15:41 mircea_popescu <BingoBoingo> asciilifeform: What about cutting off the leading zero. Then actual releases start at version 7 or 10, following in the tradition established by the early Linux Distros. << the problem is that the implication of having a 1 leading version (ie, mature product) is laughable. we don't. hopefully one day we will, but the current offering is not it.
15:42 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Mature version can start at 10.
15:42 * asciilifeform grasps mircea_popescu's implication that 'the only winning move' in the decimal-point chase game with shitgnomes is 'not to play'
15:43 mircea_popescu precisely.
15:44 mircea_popescu more deeply : there is exactly ZERO derivative work implied in the bitcoin foundation's releases. we don't use anything they did, for the explicit reason that everything they did is shit, with the furter implication that every man who ever worked for them WASTED THEIR LIFE.
15:44 mircea_popescu this is very important to ber there, plainly spelled out.
15:44 asciilifeform back to the more interesting point, we still have an unbounded data structure in there...
15:44 mircea_popescu because people must at some point come to comprehend that they are responsible , at the very least for their own lives, and that the choices they make come with consequences, and the consequences will NOT negotiate.
15:44 mircea_popescu so no, jwh "i just want to contribute" doth not work irl.
15:47 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/06/pressure-in-the-united-states-mounts-to-ban-symbols-of-rebellion-against-federal-government/
15:47 assbot Pressure in the United States Mounts to Ban Symbols of Rebellion Against Federal Government | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1RAbORw )
15:48 asciilifeform thestringpuller: what i was trying to get across earlier is that the very concept of 'mempool spam' is presently undefined
15:48 asciilifeform who says what tx is 'spam'? god ?
15:49 mircea_popescu actually a switch to create "minimally acceptable /kb subsidy" as a precondition of taking tx into mempool might be useful.
15:49 mircea_popescu even better if the behaviour is dynamic (ie, the minimum only kicks in if the mempool is over 1mb, and selects for optimal fill)
15:50 asciilifeform l0l, before long folks start asking for mempool inclusion fee, for self !?
15:50 asciilifeform (vs to miner)
15:50 mircea_popescu this will give node operators an incentive to present good pools to the network.
15:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34650 @ 0.00038998 = 13.5128 BTC [-] {2}
15:51 mircea_popescu there has to be some import of market into mempool functioning.
15:51 asciilifeform this sorta turns mempool into even more of a logical albatross than it already is
15:51 mircea_popescu myeah.
15:51 asciilifeform (why not route tx straight to miners then. why have two classes of mining..?)
15:51 mircea_popescu dude...
15:52 mircea_popescu ask me more questions about what this guy did in his basement. i enjoy the feelings of impotent frustration.
15:52 asciilifeform l0lzies
15:52 mircea_popescu anyway. i think that'd be actually +ev, but just a thought.
15:53 asciilifeform perhaps this will wait for the 'sanity hardfork' of the distant fyootoor.
15:53 mircea_popescu yeh
15:54 asciilifeform but afaik turdmeisters are already experimenting with connecting sewage pipes directly to the mempool
15:54 asciilifeform 'to see what happenz'
15:54 mircea_popescu anyway, i'm hearing that argument can actually be had in favour of the mempool/minerpool layered implementation.
15:55 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> but afaik turdmeisters are already experimenting with connecting sewage pipes directly to the mempool << I think one of the earliest XT "selling points" by Hearnia was this for some SpamFunder called "Lighthouse"
15:55 mircea_popescu specifically : that at the very least it should not be possible for one to fire a missile at any place that scarfs up txn or knows about them and hit a miner.
15:55 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this has a bit of a recursion problem: how does mempool operator know that he is being paid ?
15:55 mircea_popescu he doesn't.
15:55 asciilifeform the whole notion of a payment is defined in reference to blockchain
15:55 mircea_popescu yes.
15:56 asciilifeform unless i misunderstand, 'fee for mempool inclusion' is... an epicycle.
15:57 asciilifeform in the classical sense.
15:57 asciilifeform how does the operator determine anything whatsoever re: the validity of 'mempool fee' addressed to him ?
15:58 asciilifeform or is he 'running a tab' for folks, and relying on a wotnet ?
15:58 asciilifeform (somehow bolted on)
15:58 mircea_popescu in this way : some mempools, by virtue of being well curated, get to talk first to miners.
15:58 mircea_popescu inclusion in one of these is valuable, and so a private deal can be had.
15:58 asciilifeform so ^ then.
15:58 mircea_popescu allows mempools to be run like a service, much like say a website works.
15:59 mircea_popescu right.
15:59 asciilifeform as i understand, we already have a 'bezzle' in the net - the unmetered resource, 'blank cheque,' of the mempools. as all 'meat in the sun without flies', it is a very ephemeral thing
15:59 scoopbot_revived Eulora third event - Sunday, June 28th http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-third-event-sunday-june-28th/
15:59 asciilifeform somehow - it will end.
16:00 mircea_popescu i've been saying for years it's the one vulnerability.
16:00 mircea_popescu no big surprise gavin & gang are attacking it while claiming it';s all about anything else.
16:00 asciilifeform can end in some 'dirty' equilibrium, where everybody's living room is filled to capacity with precisely how many rabid weasels it can hold,
16:00 asciilifeform or somewhere more 'clean.'
16:00 asciilifeform i'd prefer 'clean.'
16:00 mircea_popescu it's not. they want to shoot it in the neck.
16:02 asciilifeform it's the one ~protocol~ vuln, yes
16:02 asciilifeform there are the mechanics vulns of the shit-stack
16:02 asciilifeform (needs no elaboration, everyone here knows more than ever wanted to)
16:03 mircea_popescu myeah.
16:04 mircea_popescu http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6hr99QPZ71rozn8uo1_1280.jpg << wut da fuck nigga!!!1
16:04 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RAei2k )
16:05 asciilifeform mmmhhhmphhfm
16:05 shinohai I imagine there is an unseen strapon somewhere in that image.
16:07 asciilifeform ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/06/pressure-in-the-united-states-mounts-to-ban-symbols-of-rebellion-against-federal-government << is pretty plainly a 'kick the dog till it bites, then shoot it' gambit on usg's part
16:07 assbot Pressure in the United States Mounts to Ban Symbols of Rebellion Against Federal Government | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1RAeJJW )
16:07 gribble The operation succeeded.
16:08 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Gotta document the kick
16:08 mircea_popescu dood gets it.
16:08 mircea_popescu yeah, you gotta document the kick.
16:08 mircea_popescu it's our own "kick the usg till it bites, then shoot it" gambit.
16:08 mircea_popescu Recently agitators in the United States along with officials in various government capacities have been exploiting a recent minor tragedy << would work without the 2nd recent too
16:09 asciilifeform the 'kick' has been in continuous progression since at least 'bloody kansas incident'
16:09 asciilifeform if not earlier
16:09 asciilifeform and cw1 was the first shot
16:09 asciilifeform dog - still alive (or dogcatcher suspects at any rate)
16:09 asciilifeform 2nd shot probably soon.
16:10 asciilifeform (yes, i favour 'cw1', like ww1. the latter had to wait for 'ww2', but why wait to use correct term?)
16:10 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo can you still buy guy fawkes masks ?
16:10 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i was gonna say "why not take it back to civil war" to you, but then i realised what cw1 was.
16:10 asciilifeform aha.
16:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00039201 = 6.1938 BTC [+]
16:12 mircea_popescu Some unnamed genius at the company feels << this is the important part. do not allow the fucktard remain anonymous.
16:12 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo call up the corp, ask who did it ?
16:12 mircea_popescu ask who doesn't want to tell you, why don't they want to tell you ?
16:12 mircea_popescu put names in there.
16:12 mircea_popescu always put names in there.
16:13 mircea_popescu this isn't about principles. this is about particular morons being particularly moronic. they are personally responsible.
16:13 mircea_popescu cut their vague generalities straight from under them.
16:14 trinque "who in his manifest" << manifesto
16:15 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo can you still buy guy fawkes masks ? << Yes
16:15 trinque "mantel" << mantle
16:15 shinohai http://toucharcade.com/2015/06/25/apple-removes-confederate-flag/
16:15 assbot Apple Removes All American Civil War Games From the App Store Because of the Confederate Flag | Touch Arcade ... ( http://bit.ly/1RAgs22 )
16:16 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> Some unnamed genius at the company feels << this is the important part. do not allow the fucktard remain anonymous. << will search. Likely committee action. Just quoting Cooter's thoughts on the action there
16:17 mircea_popescu name the committee, as individuals.
16:17 trinque who needs govt force when american companies are so happy to provide it on the govt's behalf
16:17 mircea_popescu the point is to allow no quarter. there is no excuse. joint and several liability exists to deal with exactly this sort of situation.
16:17 mircea_popescu a committee did it ? you each did it, individually, the full thing.
16:17 mircea_popescu bang.
16:17 asciilifeform shinohai: before long, u.s. civil war material will look like german edition of 'wolfenstein'
16:18 mircea_popescu trinque "american companies" are exactly government entitites.
16:18 asciilifeform covered in mysterious ahistorical blobs
16:18 trinque mircea_popescu: yes, I see your point
16:19 mircea_popescu and so no. an "american company" did it ? obama did it.
16:19 shinohai So dumb. If only history had a blockchain.
16:19 mircea_popescu if you have a company it's his company.
16:19 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> shinohai: before long, u.s. civil war material will look like german edition of 'wolfenstein' << Already happening in Apple App store
16:19 asciilifeform can't wait to see what the 'new flag' looks like.
16:19 asciilifeform and when ~it~ banned.
16:19 mircea_popescu no new flags.
16:19 mircea_popescu no new anything.
16:20 asciilifeform http://www.nag.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/28-09-Image-Joined.jpg
16:20 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RAhpY0 )
16:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38491 @ 0.00040443 = 15.5669 BTC [+]
16:20 asciilifeform http://www.mobygames.com/images/shots/l/21328-return-to-castle-wolfenstein-windows-screenshot-a-modified.jpg
16:20 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RAhye2 )
16:21 BingoBoingo new flag looks like https://33.media.tumblr.com/f5814086bf70d5022dc23dbf68159f81/tumblr_inline_naq2upNSfM1sxlrl8.jpg
16:21 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RAhH1d )
16:21 shinohai https://transfer.sh/1gKOaO/wtfjew.png
16:21 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RAhHOC )
16:30 mircea_popescu heh. the flags are either the imperial gold with whatever schmuck's escutcheon (i suppose fried chicken and watermelon for the current holder ?) or else the guelph red, or white, or blue, with the horse, the tower, the you name it.
16:32 BingoBoingo replace the stars on the current banner with little watermelons, repatern the stripes like a KFC bucket
16:33 chetty ooo I want one
16:41 mircea_popescu and in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5za875MVy1r6mifwo1_1280.jpg
16:41 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1TPIzOr )
16:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65050 @ 0.0003992 = 25.968 BTC [-] {2}
16:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25943 @ 0.00039139 = 10.1538 BTC [-] {2}
16:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28672 @ 0.00038962 = 11.1712 BTC [-]
17:00 mircea_popescu "In addition to the embarrassment of having their bro-y, bitchin’ orgy leaked online—you can view uncensored portions below—Pearson (who is also the manager’s son), Hopper and Smith can be heard making at least one racially insensitive remark toward the three Thai girls involved with the players."
17:00 mircea_popescu bwahahaha. racially insensitive eh ?
17:00 shinohai @ mircea_popescu if I find a Russian bride in the form of that pic you just posted, I would be a very happy person indeed.
17:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00038962 = 10.9873 BTC [-]
17:02 kakobrekla Russian bride < who gets paid in that deal?
17:11 mircea_popescu good q huh.
17:11 mircea_popescu but let's instead count ribs. http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3ofp6umz41r05yn1o1_1280.jpg
17:11 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1BEJZ8I )
17:16 cazalla http://bangordailynews.com/2015/06/25/news/nation/fbi-rounds-up-suspected-lone-wolves/
17:16 assbot FBI rounds up suspected lone wolves — Nation — Bangor Daily News — BDN Maine ... ( http://bit.ly/1BEKKhY )
17:18 shinohai @ cazalla so they can attempt to turn them into their own assets
17:21 trinque so this is NSA wiretapping plus FBI parallel construction plus arresting based on thoughtcrime alone
17:21 mircea_popescu "The FBI has been rounding up more potential “lone wolf” terrorists, congressional leaders and the Justice Department say, in response to the perception of a mounting threat of domestic attacks inspired by the Islamic State."
17:21 trinque nice. that's progress.
17:22 mircea_popescu check it out, hanbot's thesis is well confirmed... by the wolf's own mouth.
17:22 mircea_popescu islamic state my foot. your own people hate you because you're hateful, contemptible twerps, yo. nothing isis can or could do has anything in there.
17:23 mircea_popescu The recent arrests are “an indication that the increased number of threads of threats … is at the highest level that most of us have seen since 9/11,” Chairman Richard Burr of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence told us in an interview.
17:23 mircea_popescu His comments track with those of his House counterpart Devin Nunes, who said earlier this week that the country is at a higher risk of terrorism than ever before.
17:23 mircea_popescu that's ok. it'll be a lot worse next year. and the next and the next, and who knows, maybe it makes it till 2020 even.
17:23 mircea_popescu seems dubious.
17:25 mircea_popescu “There are more of these guys to follow than we can possibly follow,” Sen. Lindsey Graham told us. “It’s just a matter of time before one of them penetrates the net.”
17:25 mircea_popescu aaaite.
17:26 mircea_popescu what now asciilifeform ? lizards lying about how fucked they are ?
17:31 asciilifeform sop, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1170057
17:31 assbot Logged on 20-06-2015 22:46:02; asciilifeform: i will describe, for the benefit of n00bz, the typical career path of 'let's resist usg through action' in usgland: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2014#623044
17:32 trinque there are eventually not going to be enough cops to deal with the number of people tired of their shitty lives.
17:32 asciilifeform the 'your own people hate you' thing isn't false, as such, but a newspiece about the arrest of one Abdul Rahman is not really proof of this
17:33 trinque and sometime after that occurs they'll realize this is the case
17:33 asciilifeform trinque: so far this is like proton decay
17:33 * asciilifeform waits
17:34 trinque I wouldn't expect that any rival political thing would form among the orcs going apeshit
17:34 trinque just that them doing so might open doors for others
17:35 asciilifeform i can buy an argument re: joe stack et al., but these schmucks are products of usg entrapment program and are really best understood through 'psychiatric' lens, rather than criminalistic much less 'revolutionary'
17:35 trinque sure, I just see 'em all as things which increase the load average of the state
17:36 asciilifeform the folks described in the linked piece are 'load on the state' in strictly the same sense as the traditional '4th of july' fireworks display.
17:40 mircea_popescu asciilifeform they REPORT the guy by that name.
17:40 mircea_popescu so they can decry the racism of it. bla bla.
17:40 mircea_popescu look at the unreported names.
17:40 asciilifeform my chronoscope's broken
17:40 asciilifeform where can i see the unreported names.
17:41 mircea_popescu on qntra.
17:41 asciilifeform tomorrow's ?
17:41 mircea_popescu erryday's!!11
17:41 mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2015/06/attack-on-dallas-pd-headquarters-another-drop-in-bucket-of-frustrated-americans/ << liek. but yes, i'm sure tomorrow's also.
17:41 assbot Attack on Dallas PD Headquarters: Another Drop in Bucket of Frustrated Americans | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1NkNsKW )
17:42 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1176740 <<< how would a ban on that stop anything? ya just make your own at home http://i.imgur.com/SJGNdld.jpg
17:42 assbot Logged on 25-06-2015 20:10:20; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo can you still buy guy fawkes masks ?
17:42 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NkNvGG )
17:42 mod6 finally. new AMI created. that only took ... you don't wanna know.
17:42 mircea_popescu kidney ?
17:42 trinque cazalla: bahaha
17:42 asciilifeform what's an ami
17:42 mod6 amazon image.
17:42 asciilifeform ah
17:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the proposition that joe stack is not revolutionary seems alike the proposition that you're innocent of math.
17:43 mircea_popescu he actually says the words.
17:43 mod6 so i create gentoo via stage3 whole process in an instance, then have to create snapshot & make image from snapshot. deploy new instance from image.
17:43 asciilifeform l0l
17:44 * asciilifeform reread stack's death letter, grants that 'revolutionary' - but a weirdo softy who doesn't like killing
17:44 mircea_popescu what, this is an item accidentally shaped like a tree that coincidentally drops plantains to the ground, but not for this reason a plantain tree ?
17:44 mircea_popescu revolutionaries are generally like that in their writing.
17:44 mircea_popescu see the french.
17:44 asciilifeform no i meant the waiting-until-place-is-empty part
17:44 asciilifeform he could've easily burned it down full ?
17:45 mircea_popescu did i ever tell you the story about the blue collar guy who had caritas tickets ?
17:45 asciilifeform ?
17:45 trinque asciilifeform: at least among my meatwot the building being empty played much better
17:45 trinque than the alternative
17:45 mircea_popescu so this one guy, working in a furniture shop, had played this romanian ponzi scheme. early. and kept putting it all in.
17:45 mircea_popescu so he had an immense sum to pick up, and he was scheduled to do so a friday evening.
17:45 mircea_popescu so he asked his workshop boss to let him go to THE STATIUM
17:46 mircea_popescu where he'd have had to wheelbarrow his cash home after being in line for hours.
17:46 mircea_popescu boss wouldn't hear of it
17:46 mircea_popescu man didn't go
17:46 mircea_popescu that saturday morning the thing collapsed.
17:46 asciilifeform happens
17:46 mircea_popescu to joe stacks.
17:47 asciilifeform did he spin around with machine gun ?
17:47 mircea_popescu was he by this token "not minded to be rich" ?
17:47 mircea_popescu simple people miss their funerals because some workshop boss didn't let them off. way the world works.
17:47 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-02-2015#1005563 << see also.
17:47 assbot Logged on 03-02-2015 23:43:58; asciilifeform: winnie pooh walks into a butcher's shop, asks 'got mortadella' ? answer, 'sure' winnie pooh draws a submachinegun and spins round, round, round with it, mowing down everything that moves: 'for piiigleet!'
17:47 mircea_popescu there's more twu wuv crushed under the trainwheels of normal life than under anything else.
17:47 mircea_popescu lmao
17:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11056 @ 0.0004035 = 4.4611 BTC [+]
17:51 asciilifeform the story of the 'lottery ticket lost in the wash' is cross cultural to schmucks of every country
17:52 asciilifeform iirc there is some lawsuit in usa every day re: one thing or another to do with lottery tickets allegedly misappropriated, stolen, 'borrowed', etc
17:52 mircea_popescu aha
17:53 asciilifeform i was never able to understand why these folks thought they were only playing in one lottery
17:53 asciilifeform as opposed to several, including the do-i-cash-this-ticket-in-time one
17:53 asciilifeform the do-i-get-hit-by-asteroid lottery, etc
17:54 asciilifeform some of these are even spiffier than the idiot numbers game because i don't have to pay for the ticket!11
17:54 mircea_popescu lol
17:54 asciilifeform can get my asteroid - for phree.
17:55 asciilifeform i remember a course i had to do at uni, where we were shown various results re: the misconceptions about mechanics common among small children.
17:56 asciilifeform in particular, how they will decide that what they cannot see, for whatever reason, isn't there
17:56 asciilifeform as in, pull down a curtain and literally 'it vanished'
17:57 asciilifeform taken with the usual grain of strychnine with which one eats american academe, this is applicable
18:00 asciilifeform phun phakt: http://www.decadecounter.com/vta/articleview.php?item=529 << monsanto made... led.
18:00 assbot The Vintage Technology Association - Monsanto MV2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1QSaYVa )
18:00 asciilifeform among the first!
18:00 asciilifeform http://www.datamath.org/Display/Monsanto.htm
18:00 assbot DATAMATH ... ( http://bit.ly/1QSb1jS )
18:00 asciilifeform when do ~we~ make led ?
18:01 mircea_popescu srsly.
18:01 asciilifeform forget cpu. try led.
18:02 asciilifeform 'This effort didn't go very far at first, because Monsanto's marketing department reported that the only color customers wanted was red. Customers used red displays for calculators, so their only concern was getting cheaper LEDs. Marketing never considered other LED applications. Its conclusion that red was the only color wanted may have stemmed from asking the wrong question or asking the wrong people.'
18:02 asciilifeform lulzy.
18:04 scoopbot_revived Bryan Micon Seals The Deal http://qntra.net/2015/06/bryan-micon-seals-the-deal/
18:06 asciilifeform 3 btc?!
18:06 asciilifeform lol
18:07 kakobrekla dont forget the 900bux
18:07 asciilifeform and the arse hymen.
18:08 trinque what is this forfeitting his computers nonsense?
18:09 trinque mild inconvenience at best
18:09 trinque heh probably to search 'em for btc privkeys
18:09 kakobrekla im surprised no jail time
18:10 mircea_popescu eh he's prolly gonna show up having an ugrent business proposal to discuss in short order.
18:11 mircea_popescu the us dept of derp is short on money and understaffed, so it figures hey, what's this shikrashka thing alf keeps mentioning ?
18:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17426 @ 0.0004035 = 7.0314 BTC [+]
18:24 williamdunne kakobrekla: And the $25,000
18:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18550 @ 0.00040174 = 7.4523 BTC [-] {3}
18:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00040541 = 7.7839 BTC [+]
18:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14471 @ 0.00039379 = 5.6985 BTC [-]
18:54 mircea_popescu and in other news, all's there but the vending machine. http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0qh7fKyZW1qgvnq9o1_1280.jpg
18:54 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GAR325 )
18:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6806 @ 0.00039379 = 2.6801 BTC [-]
18:57 decimation "lone wolf terrorists" are just another lame excuse for "keep funding us or else"
19:02 mircea_popescu "lone wolf terrorists" have a pretty decent claim to getting an ex-usg civil servant as chattel slave once the thing's done.
19:03 mircea_popescu how did the theory go, "bureaucrats are genetically inferior and morally stunted, and so the best thing for their sake is having them live out their lives as slaves for actual humans"
19:06 williamdunne How many slaves are reserved for #b-a?
19:07 * mircea_popescu would not actually want to be saddled with one of those idiots.
19:08 cazalla mircea_popescu, is this just a beat up by norton or is ramnicu valcea really some leet town?
19:08 cazalla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_teg-0Kz_8Q
19:08 assbot In Search of The Most Dangerous Town on the Internet [Official Trailer] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hit7qD )
19:09 mircea_popescu cazalla nonsense. there was a high concentration of kids fucking up windows boxen in that town, a decade ago.
19:10 mircea_popescu it was never truly mention-worthy, but some english speaking journo in search of something to write about it wrote that, and well, ever since it's been some sort of english language accepted truth.
19:10 BingoBoingo Ah, I thought you were going to say they all made fortunes and move to St. Kitts
19:11 trinque hack nasa?!
19:11 mircea_popescu otherwise, it's a rural townlet on par with say dublin, ohio.
19:11 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you recall the story of one guccifer, uneployed cab driver fucking around in internet cafes ?
19:11 mircea_popescu that, 99%.
19:11 cazalla anyway, full doco if anyone is interested https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un_XI4MM6QI (watching but i expect this to be similar to real estate seminar where norton will hit me up to buy some anti-virus shit at the end of the film)
19:11 assbot In Search of The Most Dangerous Town On the Internet [Official Documentary] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GARKs5 )
19:13 mircea_popescu this sort of crap is unavoidable when doing "reporting". paris was never as fashionable as usians thought.
19:15 mircea_popescu anyway, doing violence to the poorly secured chumpnet is a rite of passage for most of the not-dumb youth of the third world, you must appreciate. in luxor, a tiny town on the valley of the nile, the intellectual elite of boyhood gathered around two beat up dexktops and an acoustic modem trying the same thing.
19:15 mircea_popescu romania's not been much of this for at least 10 years by noiw.
19:19 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1176915 << yes!!
19:19 assbot Logged on 25-06-2015 22:54:33; mircea_popescu: and in other news, all's there but the vending machine. http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0qh7fKyZW1qgvnq9o1_1280.jpg
19:19 asciilifeform l0l!
19:21 * asciilifeform absorbed first gibblets of .ro during a tour of duty as professional sp4mz0r hunter
19:22 asciilifeform perhaps 'hunt' is wrong term
19:22 asciilifeform we never removed them from the wild.
19:25 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1176909 << шаражка only makes sense if you have a korolev to put in it.
19:25 assbot Logged on 25-06-2015 22:11:13; mircea_popescu: the us dept of derp is short on money and understaffed, so it figures hey, what's this shikrashka thing alf keeps mentioning ?
19:25 asciilifeform invented, incidentally, nowhere near ru
19:25 asciilifeform but in venice. late 13th c.
19:26 asciilifeform when they sat all the glassblowers down in an island
19:26 asciilifeform blow as much glass as you like. leave? nope.
19:33 cazalla mmm yup, the doco is pretty much an advertisement for norton "As a leader in storytelling for Symantec's global brands, my main goal is to produce proactive, intelligent content that speaks to and engages an audience, and showcases the value of the company's exceptional brilliance in cyber security innovation." Solange Deschatres
19:33 asciilifeform run moar winblowz.
19:36 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1176919 << you'd want those in your house ?!
19:36 assbot Logged on 25-06-2015 23:02:23; mircea_popescu: "lone wolf terrorists" have a pretty decent claim to getting an ex-usg civil servant as chattel slave once the thing's done.
19:38 asciilifeform though they'd work quite well in the car. as seat covers.
19:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.0003978 = 5.9272 BTC [+] {2}
19:50 BingoBoingo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSUW-Z_Cnc0
19:50 assbot Bearforce1 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvhXcu )
19:51 BingoBoingo !up SuchWow
19:52 SuchWow danke
~ 21 minutes ~
20:13 asciilifeform https://code.google.com/p/go/issues/detail?id=7241 << lulzy bug
20:14 assbot Issue 7241 - go - /openpgp/armor: armored output differs from gpg or sks armored output - The Go Programming Language - Google Project Hosting ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvmVpz )
20:14 BingoBoingo Oh great the Storm/AirRaid sirens are firing
20:14 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: duck&cover! (tm) (r)
20:14 BingoBoingo And I'm going to be disappoint again that it is just a storm and not a Raid
20:15 asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKqXu-5jw60 << obligatory
20:15 assbot Duck And Cover (1951) Bert The Turtle Civil Defense Film - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvnbF1 )
20:19 * BingoBoingo going to smoke outside and watch this bitch roll in
20:20 decimation asciilifeform: " It's certainly possible that some APT has developed the capability to generate keys with colliding 8-byte key IDs on demand.
20:21 asciilifeform decimation: the old 32-bit id (bottom of modulus) you can generate as many as you like right now..
20:21 decimation yeah 32-bits isn't much
20:21 asciilifeform considering that it wasn't even a hash
20:22 decimation heh yeah good point
20:22 decimation only those named 'bob' may pass. what is your name? 'bob'
20:24 BingoBoingo False alarm, it's just Odin
20:25 decimation BingoBoingo: looks like a big storm rolling down the mississippi
20:26 BingoBoingo decimation: Indeed, first raindrops fell. Not much yet other than a constant rumbling of distant thunder and occasional flashes of closer lighning.
20:26 BingoBoingo Interesting textures on the cloud bottoms though.
20:26 BingoBoingo Just a touch of mammary look
20:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49600 @ 0.00039588 = 19.6356 BTC [-] {3}
20:35 decimation mammatus clouds are associated with strong storms
20:38 BingoBoingo Eh, strong storms still a disappointment compared to any air raid at all
20:38 decimation asciilifeform: http://allanmcrae.com/2015/06/the-case-of-gcc-5-1-and-the-two-c-abis/ < c++/gcc dumbfuckery
20:38 assbot The Case of GCC-5.1 and the Two C++ ABIs | Allan McRae ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gvsd4o )
20:38 cazalla hey decimation, i made you a moot meets an aussie shitposter meme video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nesSXFIVGG0
20:38 assbot Moot meets an Australian - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvsbcT )
20:42 decimation awesome
20:43 decimation lol
20:44 decimation cazalla: is he drinking fosters?
20:44 cazalla yeah looks to be
20:44 decimation ;;ud strewth
20:44 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=strewth | strewth. An Australian, or "Aussie", exclaimation, similar to the somewhat more popular "Crikey!" Strewth, that was a hard day, toss me a Fosters mate! by Avatar  ...
20:47 decimation heh I haven't heard that one before
20:50 decimation cazalla: but is it true? do australians shit-post?
20:51 decimation also I think the english are bigger drunkards generally
20:52 cazalla decimation, it's just a racist stereotype afaik
20:52 decimation heh apparently it is a three way tie at 10 L per capita https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption_per_capita
20:52 assbot List of countries by alcohol consumption per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1fHDGaD )
20:52 cazalla i think we're #1 for drugs
20:53 decimation POMs are drunkards
20:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00040783 = 7.9119 BTC [+] {2}
20:54 decimation 10 L is crazy
20:55 decimation I guess that's like 2 L of 4% beer per month
20:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53619 @ 0.00041062 = 22.017 BTC [+] {4}
20:57 cazalla decimation, we drink so much they run stupid commercials https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiXvAo6o0HY
20:57 assbot "Kids Absorb Your Drinking"- TV Commercial DrinkWise Australia - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvuSLF )
20:57 williamdunne Holy shit that is really 10L of pure alcohol..
20:57 williamdunne wut
20:58 decimation yeah per year
20:58 decimation but on average
20:58 decimation that means alot of people drink nothing and some are drunks
20:59 williamdunne Alcoholics pulling up the average
20:59 williamdunne Oh, its like 500ml of beer a day on average
20:59 williamdunne Guess its not that bad
21:00 cazalla but who has a beer? if ya drinking beer, ya into at least 3 longnecks or a slab mate
21:01 decimation heh yeah
21:01 williamdunne Aye, so like 7 longnecks once a week
21:02 williamdunne or 3/4 twice
21:02 williamdunne Seems pretty sane
21:02 williamdunne Although obviously the outliers will be very un-sane
21:02 williamdunne wow
21:02 williamdunne insane
21:03 punkman https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/6293
21:03 assbot incompatible peers not detected/disconnected · Issue #6293 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1fHFsbF )
21:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84600 @ 0.0004077 = 34.4914 BTC [-] {2}
21:05 asciilifeform wtf is 'UnattainiumV2:0.9.4.2'
21:05 punkman so apparently shitcoins can connect to bitcoind just fine and shit blocks on it
21:06 asciilifeform phoundationd
21:07 asciilifeform ultimately, the matter will be settled using the algo described earlier today by mircea_popescu:
21:08 asciilifeform there will be a place where men 'speak like men,' and another, very different place, where monkeys are free to throw own shit at one another all day long.
21:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57122 @ 0.0004112 = 23.4886 BTC [+] {3}
21:11 punkman in the meantime, we have to dodge monkey projectiles
21:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57851 @ 0.00041829 = 24.1985 BTC [+] {4}
21:12 asciilifeform it will be interesting to set the 'misbehaviour' triggers for the orphans crud to max once we have a respectably-complete network of therealbitcoin nodes.
21:13 punkman https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Common_Vulnerabilities_and_Exposures probably worth going over this list
21:13 assbot Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures - Bitcoin Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvwswR )
21:13 asciilifeform i think ben_vulpes had a summary
21:13 asciilifeform http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/20_a-summary-of-changes-to-bitcoin-since-0321.html
21:13 assbot A summary of changes to Bitcoin since 0.3.21 ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvwtRy )
21:14 asciilifeform not certain if it covers the earlier link entirely
21:15 punkman bunch of them solved by existing snips
21:17 asciilifeform i can barely believe there are still folks using nodes with the alert crap in them
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21:36 punkman http://www.miningpool.co.uk/erik-voorhees-on-ben-lawskys-bitcoin-firm-its-the-very-definition-of-crony-capitalism/
21:36 assbot Erik Voorhees Attacks Ben Lawsky’s Bitcoin Firm ... ( http://bit.ly/1KewZYS )
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22:00 punkman http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3b457y/vp_candidate_in_argentina_a_harvard_econ_phd/
22:00 assbot VP candidate in Argentina (a Harvard econ PhD) appears to promise cryptocurrency as Argentina's money if elected : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1KeAluK )
22:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36925 @ 0.00041596 = 15.3593 BTC [-]
22:11 BingoBoingo Oh, look at the pussy storm. All it did was knock out mains power. Didn't even put a branch through the roof like a real storm.
22:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30350 @ 0.00040332 = 12.2408 BTC [-]
22:14 decimation asciilifeform: the 'alert' thing is hilarious
22:16 decimation do we know when gavin's key was added?
22:16 williamdunne !s 8ch
22:16 assbot 6 results for '8ch' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=8ch
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22:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64056 @ 0.00040299 = 25.8139 BTC [-] {2}
22:57 asciilifeform ben_vulpes, mod6, jurov: anyone try 'doxygen' proggy for therealbitcoin source ?
22:57 asciilifeform https://dev.visucore.com/bitcoin/doxygen/walletmodel_8h_source.html << example, in use by enemy
22:57 assbot Bitcoin: src/qt/walletmodel.h Source File ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7aGb8 )
22:58 asciilifeform it's a somewhat spiffier incarnation of jurov's thing at http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source
22:58 assbot Satoshi 0.5.3.1/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7aJE2 )
23:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42800 @ 0.00040489 = 17.3293 BTC [+]
23:06 asciilifeform https://eprint.iacr.org/2015/469.pdf << fairly lulzy article. describes method of running arbitrarily many bitcoind on one box, simulated planet.
23:06 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7bo8m )
23:06 punkman I was just thinking about that
23:06 asciilifeform specifically was done to simulate orphan spam.
23:07 asciilifeform ~6000 sim nodes
23:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00040808 = 10.9774 BTC [+] {2}
23:08 punkman I'd definitely want better debug/test instrumentation before such experiments
23:09 asciilifeform http://www.cs.umd.edu/~amiller << and before anyone asks, no, i don't know this fella
23:09 assbot Andrew Miller phd@umd ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7bJId )
23:10 punkman "US Naval Research Laboratory" huh
23:10 punkman didn't those guys fund Tor as well?
23:10 asciilifeform punkman: mega-sponsor of just about everything one might think of
23:10 asciilifeform (in u.s. academia)
23:11 punkman http://cs.umd.edu/projects/coinscope/
23:11 assbot Coinscope ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7bWuT )
23:11 punkman no code though
23:12 asciilifeform was looking for precisely the code
23:12 asciilifeform found - nothing
23:12 asciilifeform typical.
23:12 punkman https://github.com/shadow/shadow-plugin-bitcoin
23:12 assbot shadow/shadow-plugin-bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7c1yA )
23:12 punkman here it is
23:12 asciilifeform aha
23:13 asciilifeform http://cs.umd.edu/projects/coinscope/coinscope.pdf << somewhat interesting
23:13 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7c8dH )
23:14 decimation asciilifeform: amusing, they just run all the instances one at a time
23:15 decimation navy research lab is a usg funding-hole
23:15 asciilifeform big one
23:16 decimation on the surface, it would seem logical to run 6000 threads in parallel
23:17 decimation but that would be a nightmare of c-machine trickery
23:17 punkman "AddressProbe is able to map the entire connectable Bitcoin network within minutes" interesting
23:18 asciilifeform grantsmanship.
23:18 asciilifeform but not an entirely bad experimental design
23:19 decimation probably would be more effective to use usg's cash to buy 6000 pogos
23:19 decimation probably cheaper than a week of contractor salary
23:20 asciilifeform it is not clear that there were ever 6000 pogos..
23:20 decimation heh
23:27 BingoBoingo Mega-LOL Nearly a pound and a half, small-bore, single-shot, advertised for personal defense http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/7-GPAR1BLK
23:28 assbot Heizer Defense Pocket AR Break Action Single Shot Pistol .223 Remington 3.87" Barrel One Round Capacity Stainless Steel Barrel/Frame Matte Black Finish PAR1BLK ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7duoK )
23:28 BingoBoingo Also nearly $400
23:29 BingoBoingo !up DanyAlos
23:29 DanyAlos Thanx
23:31 DanyAlos Just visiting to see what are you guys talking about.
23:31 DanyAlos It is always interesting
23:33 mats we do our best
23:35 BingoBoingo We also try to impress the passerbys
23:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22150 @ 0.00040284 = 8.9229 BTC [-]
23:35 DanyAlos Last time I was around talking about Blocksize limit. I really had fun.
23:37 BingoBoingo Well feel free to stop by. Are you registered with assbot to self voice when you get the itch?
23:38 DanyAlos I am registered with assbot but I am not sure if I can voice myself.
23:38 BingoBoingo !gettrust DanyAlos
23:38 assbot Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user DanyAlos: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=BingoBoingo&to=DanyAlos | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/DanyAlos/
23:38 DanyAlos I think I cannot
23:38 BingoBoingo !gettrust assbot DanyAlos
23:38 assbot Trust relationship from user assbot to user DanyAlos: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=DanyAlos | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/DanyAlos/
23:38 BingoBoingo !rate DanyAlos 1 new blood for the blood god
23:38 assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/8a77f6ad32fc33ae
23:40 DanyAlos So kind of you!
23:40 DanyAlos Thanxs
23:40 BingoBoingo !v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.DanyAlos.1:b64cd11f26b5f77e3811b5519bd939ab913ea47b0465d52cd303c5ccacd79891
23:40 assbot Successfully added a rating of 1 for DanyAlos with note: new blood for the blood god
23:40 BingoBoingo K, now you can self voice
23:41 punkman I read the coinscope paper, not bad. even has some pseudocode at the end.
23:48 DanyAlos BingoBoingo, Thank you. I will be back tomorrow. It is late here. Got to go.
23:52 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: that little pistol is for what, using one's last round for self ?
23:52 asciilifeform can't see what else it could be good for
23:52 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I guess??? For self I'd want something with a little more diameter...
23:52 mats he's a crack shot
23:53 mats will put in the enemy's eye
23:53 BingoBoingo I honestly can't imagine a use for that thing
23:53 BingoBoingo mats: For actual crack shot here is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baikal_MCM
23:53 assbot MCM pistol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7fqh2 )
23:54 BingoBoingo And for 31337 crack shot there is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baikal_IZH-46M
23:54 assbot Baikal IZH-46M - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7fugO )
23:55 mats cute
23:56 BingoBoingo But the .223 abomination thing isn't even competitionable.
23:56 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: iirc my father competed with the 'mcm'
23:56 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It's deinitely on my want list
23:59 asciilifeform http://www.cs.umd.edu/~elaine/teaching/cryptocurrency/cryptocurrency.html << '20% Ethereum project'
23:59 assbot CMSC 818I: Science of Crypto-Currency ... ( http://bit.ly/1e7fNbx )
23:59 * asciilifeform ashamed of his degree
23:59 mats i have yet to perfect my hip firing technique
23:59 * BingoBoingo doesn't know many honest people not disappointed with degree
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