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00:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03401 = 0.1701 BTC [+]
00:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31750 @ 0.0009592 = 30.4546 BTC [+] {2}
		~ 32 minutes ~
00:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
00:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0669 = 0.1338 BTC [+]
		~ 15 minutes ~
00:58	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9027 @ 0.00096181 = 8.6823 BTC [+] {2}
00:59	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7883 @ 0.00096288 = 7.5904 BTC [+]
		~ 41 minutes ~
01:41	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58805 @ 0.00096342 = 56.6539 BTC [+] {3}
01:44	jurov	imsogay, morning wood, eh?
01:46	jurov	context for poor logreaders: *** [\\\\\\\\\\\\\\] is now known as [\\\]
01:50	moiety	something up with nickserv atm?
01:51	jurov	no just imsaguy swelling and shrinking
01:51	cgcardona_	yea nickserv's laggin for me too
01:51	cgcardona_	nickswerve
01:51	jurov	there are helluva splits... i was here alone for half hour
01:51		jurov, it is saturday night after all ;)
01:52		jurov, we lost some hubs.
01:52	jurov	lucky you
01:52	jurov	i have sunday morning
01:52	jurov	and not slept at all
01:52	jurov	:(
01:55	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00096415 = 20.0543 BTC [+]
02:04	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00096254 = 5.1015 BTC [-]
02:08	cgcardona_	yea that split was brutal.
02:09	cgcardona_	I just shut down my client for the whole time cause I was all alone
02:09	cgcardona_	foreveralone.jpg
02:09	moiety	jurov: what time is it with you? ive not slept wither, 7:09 here
02:09	moiety	either*
02:09	jurov	8:09
02:10	moiety	dont wantto miss something at 7:35 // ahh kk why didn't you sleep?
02:10	cgcardona_	;;gettrust assbot
02:10	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user cgcardona_ to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=cgcardona_&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014
02:10	jurov	i was nervous and could not calm down
02:11	jurov	most likely explanation is that i'm in love and wanted to be with him yest
02:11	jurov	but he had no time for completely stupid reasons
02:11	jurov	*nervous -> upset
02:12	cgcardona_	how do I get on assbot"s wot?
02:13	cgcardona_	wow that sentence reads strangely
02:13	jurov	bribe someone that's in assbot's trust list?
02:13	cgcardona_	ah I see
02:13	cgcardona_	got it
02:13	cgcardona_	I'm still trying to fully understand the wot
02:14	cgcardona_	wotupwidit
02:15	jurov	:)
02:15	jurov	it's really not so hard, just become slave to a piece of shitty code that has something to do with mpex
02:15	jurov	and then you can enjoy the privileges
02:16	jurov	wow i'm still really in bad mood.. better go retry sleep now
02:17	cgcardona_	heh
02:27	moiety	hope you feel better after a sleep jurov
02:30	cgcardona_	;;gettrust mgk
02:30	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user cgcardona_ to user mgk: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=cgcardona_&dest=mgk | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mgk | Rated since: never
02:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00096254 = 9.2404 BTC [-]
02:40	fluffypony	;;ident
02:40	gribble	Nick 'fluffypony', with hostmask 'fluffypony!~fluffypon@geartri.be', is not identified.
02:40	fluffypony	netsplits.
02:43	moiety	nickserv is having a stroke today
		~ 33 minutes ~
03:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00570001 = 0.114 BTC [+]
03:18	thestringpuller	!ticker m s.mpoe
03:18	assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096401 / 0.00097614 (483530 shares, 466.13 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00097926 / 0.00101 (3222682 shares, 3,155.86 BTC), 30D: 0.00079506 / 0.00091781 / 0.00101 (23383307 shares, 21,461.45 BTC)
03:19	thestringpuller	!last m s.mpoe
03:19	assbot	Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00096254 BTC [-]
03:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31750 @ 0.00095984 = 30.4749 BTC [-] {2}
		~ 27 minutes ~
04:01	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.0009559 = 5.4008 BTC [-]
04:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0347946 = 0.1044 BTC [+] {3}
		~ 18 minutes ~
04:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29597 @ 0.00096304 = 28.5031 BTC [+] {5}
04:47	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00096415 = 15.9085 BTC [+]
		~ 24 minutes ~
05:11	bounce	``[Erik Naggum] disliked C++, though not as much as he hated Perl, but he generally thought that C++ was too difficult to understand to such a degree that only about 5 people on the planet truly understood it and hence was of little value for humanity.'' (wikipedia) -- how's that for an elitist language, eh. jealous much? *gdr*
05:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17150 @ 0.00096456 = 16.5422 BTC [+]
		~ 15 minutes ~
05:27	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00096123 = 11.6789 BTC [-]
		~ 15 minutes ~
05:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @ 0.00095332 = 7.4836 BTC [-] {2}
		~ 23 minutes ~
06:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23203 @ 0.00095249 = 22.1006 BTC [-]
		~ 20 minutes ~
06:26	mircea_popescu	;;later tell TestingUnoDosTre yes
06:26	gribble	The operation succeeded.
06:29	mircea_popescu	jurov: but he had no time for completely stupid reasons << aww!
06:31	mircea_popescu	omfg teh butthurt!
06:38	mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlEMp2UCMAAQnc7.png << check out kansas.
06:42	mircea_popescu	also, fresh from the pointless factoids department: every day this week days is gonna be the same backwards. 4/12/14 through 4/19/14.
06:45	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00095492 = 16.7111 BTC [+]
06:47	bounce	what silly backward country are you in, anyway?
06:48	mircea_popescu	romania. what gave it away ?
06:49	bounce	the nuxi problems
06:49	mircea_popescu	;;google "nuxi problem"
06:49	gribble	NUXI problem - Catb.org: <http://catb.org/jargon/html/N/NUXI-problem.html>; Endianness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endianness>; The nuxi problem: <http://www.nuxi.it/nuxijargon.php>
06:50	mircea_popescu	da fuck ?!
06:50	mircea_popescu	oh oh bwahaha
06:51	mircea_popescu	i'll have you known that the biggest endian fail is MIDDLE ENDIAN
06:51	mircea_popescu	like you know, teh us does it.
06:52	bounce	hence ISO8601. and yet...
06:52	mircea_popescu	myeah.
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07:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 37 @ 0.06568952 = 2.4305 BTC [-] {5}
07:12	bounce	just read through defusedxml's list of things that can go wrong with xml. just have to wonder how those financial types using FIX handle this, if at all.
07:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 63 @ 0.0055853 = 0.3519 BTC [-] {8}
07:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57600103 BTC [-]
		~ 19 minutes ~
07:34	jurov	hm, seems like mircea_popescu recently got a propensity to solutions that break under bad external circumstances
07:34	jurov	it took assbot 5 minutes to give me voice
07:34	jurov	because gribble is slow
07:35	jurov	anyway, i just read ethereum "yellow paper" http://gavwood.com/Paper.pdf
07:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.0009602 = 18.4358 BTC [+] {2}
07:36	jurov	it has a feel of rogirous math publication, yet it's brimming with unsolved problems
07:36	jurov	*rigorous
07:37	jurov	such as, turing-complete computations are bounded and paid for by "gas" allocated
07:37	bounce	but! aristocracy! can't make things too easy, don't you know.
07:38	jurov	yet i don't see a good nethod to verify gas expended without redoing whoiole computation
07:42	mircea_popescu	jurov you shouldn't have voice anyway because not enough sleep!
07:42	jurov	yea, and it strives to avoid evil ASICs but as presumably they can't think of one, it will start with a placeholder one
07:43	mircea_popescu	bounce http://trilema.com/2014/china-is-the-place-to-be/
07:43	mircea_popescu	i suggest you learn from one man's discipline!
07:43	jurov	i did sleep some, it helped :)
07:43	jurov	*one = proof of work function
07:43	mircea_popescu	now that's a fucking accomplishment, excess flood while muted. guy prolly went all spaz
07:44	mircea_popescu	!up MCM-Mike
07:44	assbot	Voicing MCM-Mike for 30 minutes.
07:45	mircea_popescu	nanotube dja need some help hosting gribble ?
07:47	*	jurov reads
07:47	jurov	mircea u got cockblocked too or what?
07:48	mircea_popescu	what's that ?
07:49	jurov	;;ud cockblocked
07:49	gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Cockblocked | Cockblocked. when you are going to hookup with some chick and then someone (her friend, cousin, whatever) comes in and sees to it that it doesnt happen.
07:49	ozbot	Urban Dictionary: Cockblocked
07:49	jurov	or what inspired you for that blog
07:50	mircea_popescu	ahahahaha this is a thing ?
07:51	mircea_popescu	i wish to see it sometime. but anyway, no, just the notion of attaching penalty to speech makes me want to attach speech to the entire matter.
07:51	mircea_popescu	and also, goats.
07:51	fluffypony	yeah it's happened to me before
07:51	fluffypony	normally when her friend/sister knows you and your reputation
07:51	fluffypony	and wants to "save" her from you
07:51	fluffypony	so she hangs around whining about how much the place sucks and she wants to go home
07:52	fluffypony	and every joke you make she keeps a deadpan face and says "that isn't funny"
07:52	mircea_popescu	fluffypony this always happens. girl decides to fly over to be my slave, family hosts an intervention, we laugh at it afterwards.
07:52	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: hah, interventions are for quitters
07:53	mircea_popescu	same principle.
07:53	mircea_popescu	"do what a buncha dorks getting in your face tell you to"
07:53	mircea_popescu	sorta like marketeer's wet dream.
07:53	fluffypony	lol
07:53	moiety	dafuq is going in that picture?
07:54	moiety	actually i dont want to know
07:54	mircea_popescu	moiety https://sg.news.yahoo.com/china-blogger-offers-remorse-rumour-spreading-court-162207880.html
07:56	moiety	- 'Discipline has been good for me' -
07:56	fluffypony	yeah
07:57	fluffypony	I'd like to thank my detention center
07:57	mircea_popescu	i guess this increments my forum extraditions by one.
07:58	moiety	jail?
07:58	moiety	i think they should host btctalk over in china for a bit
08:06	fluffypony	!market
08:06	fluffypony	wrong channel
08:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 18 @ 0.0075 = 0.135 BTC [+]
08:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.06456009 = 1.1621 BTC [-] {3}
08:12	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/22wi4p/hey_shibes_i_rarely_have_complaints_about_this/
08:12	mircea_popescu	!up cedivad
08:12	assbot	Voicing cedivad for 30 minutes.
08:12	fluffypony	"Why this matters. Bitcoin is powerful. Bitcoin is wealthy. We do not need to make these people our enemies."
08:12	mircea_popescu	fluffypony a little late for that.
08:13	mircea_popescu	;;later tell cedivad to be voiced in #bitcoin-assets, first you id with gribble, then you pm assbot !up
08:13	gribble	The operation succeeded.
08:17	mircea_popescu	;;rate cedivad 1 bitcointa.lk
08:17	gribble	Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
08:17	mircea_popescu	meh.
08:20	mircea_popescu	!up CheckDavid
08:20	assbot	Voicing CheckDavid for 30 minutes.
08:29	mircea_popescu	!up cedivad
08:29	assbot	Voice for cedivad extended to 30 minutes.
08:33	cedivad	my lazy client is simply reconnecting automatically every time that i power it on/off... Not sure of why i should be "voiced"?
08:34	mircea_popescu	just making sure you know how if you want to.
08:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2488 @ 0.00095429 = 2.3743 BTC [-]
08:35	cedivad	well, i've nothing smart to say, i'm sorry. I've just finished to write a complaint i will send to the public inquiry unit of california, nothing interesting (hashfast sucks)
08:35	cedivad	btw i fixed the stupid bug that made bitcointa.lk lose posts every night starting from 3am
08:35	mircea_popescu	lol well you never know, maybe something smart strikes :D
08:36	mircea_popescu	did your hashfast chips blow out ?
08:37	cedivad	nah, i simply never received them, you know, arbitration against them, they will probably take everything they can out of the company and declare bankrupcty
08:37	mircea_popescu	o wow srsly ? i thought they were actually delivering.
08:38	cedivad	they haven't delivered shit during the last month or two; they are mining themselves probably
08:38	cedivad	and ship it as a MPP in a few months
08:38	mircea_popescu	ah so they shipped some units earlier in the year to lure more orders then just stopped basically ?!
08:39	cedivad	basically, yes
08:39	cedivad	they are using third parties to claim to be bankrupted (using it as an excuse for the delay in shipping)
08:39	mircea_popescu	pretty fucking scandalous.
08:39	cedivad	and in the meanwhile they are selling their chips to third parties (like vmc)
08:40	mircea_popescu	basically the list of mining companies that don't also turn scams is vanishingly slow.
08:40	cedivad	nothing is scandalous anymore in the mining industry... what i would love is to see them stopped and in jail
08:40	mircea_popescu	at most they run for a year or two
08:40	mircea_popescu	s/slow/short
08:40	mircea_popescu	http://hashfast.org/List_of_Lies << there's a wiki lol
08:41	ozbot	List of Lies - HashFast Wiki
08:41	cedivad	yeah, i wrote that
08:41	cedivad	the home page is more of a good read http://hashfast.org/Main_Page
08:42	mircea_popescu	you gotta start a blog sometime.
08:42	cedivad	and what should i talk about? hashfast? :D
08:42	mircea_popescu	inconfutable isn't english. irrefutable or incontrovertible.
08:42	mircea_popescu	cedivad the reason i say blog is because you seem to have a lot to talk about. bitcointalk, hashfast, etc.
08:43	cedivad	basically by forcing them to disclose the delivery dates in the contract with TSMC you could have a smoking gun to use against them in a fraud proceeding
08:44	mircea_popescu	seems bitcoin infrastructure needs an overhaul.
08:44	cedivad	* irrefutable fixed
08:44	mircea_popescu	anyway, car's here, ima bbl.
08:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
08:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4712 @ 0.00095429 = 4.4966 BTC [-]
		~ 28 minutes ~
09:22	jurov	!up cedivad
09:22	assbot	Voicing cedivad for 30 minutes.
09:22	jurov	i don't write very often on the blog. but it's good to have.
09:27	cedivad	i actually have one, but i never really wrote about hashfast, bitcointa.lk or any other of my web-related experiences (i manage some really huge websites)...
		~ 15 minutes ~
09:42	jurov	gonna start sometime
09:43	jurov	if for nothing else, there need to be more sane voices
09:53	kakobrekla	mornin
09:53	Apocalyptic	mornin
09:54	Apocalyptic	heh blockr.io completely bugged because of btc-e down
09:54	Apocalyptic	I can't even load http://atc.blockr.io/
09:55	Apocalyptic	kakobrekla, tell your guys they can add timeouts on queries on external websites you know
10:00	kakobrekla	hm
10:00	kakobrekla	works here?
10:03	Apocalyptic	weird then
10:10	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55172 @ 0.00096143 = 53.044 BTC [+] {4}
10:12	benkay	asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: google did the same thing with python. spot/coopt an emerging thingy of whatever quality, hire its writers and most active folks, all of a sudden you have access to the best talent in newlang world. speshully the young and easily bamboozled, who get to 'work' 'closely' with the designers of their language.
10:15	thestringpuller	benkay
10:15	thestringpuller	go to bed
10:15	thestringpuller	benkay teach me lisp
10:15	BingoBoingo	;;rate HeySteve 1 Did a thing with words
10:15	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user HeySteve has been recorded.
10:16	thestringpuller	BingoBoingo: did you get that thing i sent you?
10:16	BingoBoingo	thestringpuller: Yeah, thanks
10:17	thestringpuller	i jav
10:17	thestringpuller	i need to update it
10:17	thestringpuller	maybe you can help. eventually i was hoping to have a script that pulled an insult from the list...
10:18	BingoBoingo	Maybe. I'd need to github set up
10:19	HeySteve	(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■)
10:30	benkay	thestringpuller: got plenty of sleep, tyvm.
10:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00096344 = 15.8004 BTC [+]
10:32	thestringpuller	;;ticker
10:32	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 413.0, Best ask: 413.71, Bid-ask spread: 0.71000, Last trade: 413.71, 24 hour volume: 5564.69687928, 24 hour low: 411.17, 24 hour high: 429.0, 24 hour vwap: 420.893588881
10:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.594 BTC [+]
10:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.57850062 = 1.157 BTC [-] {2}
10:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57600136 BTC [-]
10:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5880001 BTC [+]
10:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.585 = 1.17 BTC [-] {2}
10:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.585 = 1.17 BTC [-] {2}
10:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5809999 BTC [-]
10:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5890001 BTC [+]
10:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.585 = 1.17 BTC [-] {2}
10:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.585 = 1.17 BTC [-] {2}
10:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.585 = 1.17 BTC [-] {2}
10:53	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5809999 BTC [-]
10:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.585 = 1.17 BTC [+] {2}
10:54	kakobrekla	http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/04/07/charge-your-phone-in-30-seconds-an-israeli-firm-says-it-can/?mg=blogs-wsj&url=http%253A%252F%252Fblogs.wsj.com%252Fdigits%252F2014%252F04%252F07%252Fcharge-your-phone-in-30-seconds-an-israeli-firm-says-it-can
10:54	ozbot	Charge Your Phone in 30 Seconds? An Israeli Firm Says It Can - Digits - WSJ
10:54	ThickAsThieves	http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/13/us/politics/obama-lets-nsa-exploit-some-internet-flaws-officials-say.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=2
10:54	ozbot	Log In - The New York Times
10:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.585 = 1.17 BTC [+] {2}
10:56	ThickAsThieves	such fucking doublespeak
10:56	ThickAsThieves	they're all like We now have rules that gov should report discovered flaws, but yknow, we wont report shit if we like it that way
10:57	ThickAsThieves	so, no news
11:02	benkay	http://blogs.wsj.com/venturecapital/2014/04/08/andreessen-beware-non-silicon-valley-investors-bearing-high-valuations/
11:02	ozbot	Andreessen: Beware Non-Silicon Valley Investors Bearing High Valuations - Venture Capital Dispatch
11:02	benkay	wish i had problems like that
11:09	ThickAsThieves	username dignork is sending spam pm's
11:10	BingoBoingo	How spammy?
11:12	pankkake	;;ident dignork
11:12	gribble	Nick 'dignork', with hostmask 'dignork!~dignork@gateway/tor-sasl/dignork', is not identified.
11:12	fluffypony	[17:12:29] -NickServ- dignork has enabled nick protection
11:12	fluffypony	I doubt it's someone else?
11:15	pankkake	!up dignork
11:15	assbot	Insufficient rights, pankkake.
11:15	pankkake	lol
11:16	benkay	!up dignork
11:16	assbot	Voicing dignork for 30 minutes.
11:16	asciilifeform	Charge Your Phone in 30 Seconds << let's do math
11:16	benkay	whee! maf!
11:16	asciilifeform	'ipnohe' battery - 1.430 ampere-hours, 3.7v
11:16	dignork	ThickAsThieves, sorry, the message was intended to kakobrekla, about the 30 sec message
11:16	asciilifeform	;;calc 1.430 * 3.7
11:16	gribble	5.291
11:17	asciilifeform	watt-hours
11:17	asciilifeform	;;calc 5.291 * 3600
11:17	gribble	19047.6
11:17	asciilifeform	joules
11:17	dignork	asciilifeform, it's because they charge their own battery: http://phys.org/news/2014-04-storedot-second-battery.html
11:17	asciilifeform	;;calc 19047.6 / 30.0
11:17	gribble	634.92
11:17	asciilifeform	joules per second when charging in 30 sec
11:18	asciilifeform	aka watts
11:18	asciilifeform	need we say more?
11:19	benkay	gon' get hot.
11:19	kakobrekla	yea well of course you cant charge the battery so fast out of thin air
11:19	asciilifeform	lithium cells already have interesting problems when the safety fuse, for whatever reason, fails to blow
11:20	kakobrekla	anyway these battery 'revolutions' come once a week, for the past, i dunno, 10 years
11:20	asciilifeform	thus, what can charge in 30 seconds can almost certainly discharge in... 1.
11:20	asciilifeform	or 0.01
11:20	kakobrekla	we still use same shit.
11:20	asciilifeform	boom.
11:21	kakobrekla	<assbot> Insufficient rights, pankkake. < cause of the split :\
11:21	pankkake	yeah, I figured, I'm auth again
11:21	asciilifeform	anyone who knows of, say, a MOSFET rated for 600W, that fits in a phone, please wake me up
11:21	asciilifeform	i could use one.
11:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.581 BTC [-]
11:24	asciilifeform	likewise, go and put 600W for 30 sec. through a phone-sized piece of whatever material you like, then put it in your pocket, get back to us.
11:24	dignork	asciilifeform, originally they where talking about new type of battery which can be charged fast, not too amazing since there are supercapacitor batteries already.
11:24	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
11:24	ThickAsThieves	i had a macbook pro with an ""exploding" battery once
11:24	asciilifeform	dignork: worth investigating the properties of actual, rather than mythical, supercaps
11:24	asciilifeform	you can buy them
11:25	asciilifeform	buy one, experiment
11:25	ThickAsThieves	i was so stoked cuz i bought it with money from winning a juried art show
11:25	asciilifeform	they have gigantic internal resistance
11:25	ThickAsThieves	then the next morning it was all swelling
11:27	asciilifeform	if the 'mythical holy grail battery' were ever to appear, you will know about it - not from idiot press releases and grantsmanship, but - from laser pistol fire in the streets.
11:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.57550072 = 2.302 BTC [-] {4}
11:27	asciilifeform	;;lasers
11:27	gribble	┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
11:28	ThickAsThieves	how to protect myself from the laser apocalypse?
11:28	ThickAsThieves	mirror shields?
11:28	ThickAsThieves	:)
11:28	kakobrekla	wear sunglasses at night
11:28	dignork	asciilifeform, sparfun toy: https://www.sparkfun.com/datasheets/Components/TS12S-R.pdf, rated/max current 1750/4500, probably in mA
11:29	asciilifeform	dignork: right, these.
11:29	asciilifeform	dignork: notice the internal resistance given for specific currents?
11:30	dignork	asciilifeform, so the current listed is for discharge?
11:30	asciilifeform	dignork: that's because it's non-linear.
11:31	asciilifeform	http://www.tecategroup.com/ultracapacitors-supercapacitors/ultracapacitor-FAQ.php
11:31	asciilifeform	if ultracaps did not have large internal resistance, you would not ever want to be near, much less carry, a charged one
11:32	dignork	asciilifeform, this datasheet is horrible, looks like they list different devices, and for 10F device there is only one max resistance - 80 at 3A
11:32	dignork	asciilifeform, talking about sparcfun datasheet
11:33	asciilifeform	the chemistry of the ultracap gives it intrinsically high resistance
11:33	asciilifeform	which makes it a useful gadget, for powering clocks, etc. rather than what would amount to an unstable explosive.
11:35	asciilifeform	if you want a portable gizmo that can be 'charged' in seconds, without carrying a bomb, fuel cells on butane (as in cigarette lighter) are probably your ticket.
11:37	asciilifeform	you can move fuels, unlike electric charge, without gigantic thermal losses
11:38	asciilifeform	and, assuming you are storing only fuel and not oxidizer, you can safely carry it without fear of it releasing all of the energy stored therein within a second
11:39	asciilifeform	but, fossil-fueled phones aren't 'sexy', or 'green', whatever.
11:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00096522 = 8.3492 BTC [+]
11:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.04900001 = 0.196 BTC [-] {2}
11:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.035 = 0.21 BTC [+] {3}
11:40	kakobrekla	micro RTG? :)
11:40	fluffypony	rtg?
11:40	fluffypony	oh nm
11:40	fluffypony	thanks wikipedia
11:40	asciilifeform	kakobrekla: buy a 'traser' keychain. solar cells. you can get a few microamps.
11:40	kakobrekla	meh solar
11:41	kakobrekla	havent you seen the matrix?
11:41	asciilifeform	strap a 'peltier' to your wrist. body heat. a milliamp or so.
11:41	kakobrekla	ah you have seen it.
11:41	kakobrekla	:D
11:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 22 @ 0.08299776 = 1.826 BTC [-]
11:42	asciilifeform	kakobrekla: if i recall, the original script for the film called for the robot overlords to use mankind as distributed computing elements, rather than 'batteries'
11:42	asciilifeform	but this was later 'dumbed down.'
11:42	kakobrekla	robots use mankind as computing elements come on
11:42	kakobrekla	what sort of a sick joke is this
11:43	asciilifeform	less of one than 'battery'
11:43	dignork	kakobrekla, they use humans to solve capcha
11:43	kakobrekla	dignork :DD
11:45	kakobrekla	i dont think its optimal to keep the whole brain and whole human alive to compute some stuff
11:45	fluffypony	asciilifeform: yeah I remember something like that too, the battery thing was done to make it more accessible
11:45	kakobrekla	the machines surely would have figured that out
11:45	fluffypony	I don't play games often, but damn the Civilization: Beyond Earth trailer makes me want to play again
11:46	asciilifeform	kakobrekla: what we do with farm animals isn't exactly optimal
11:46	fluffypony	and it's going to be on Linux
11:46	fluffypony	http://www.gametrailers.com/news-post/73123/sid-meiers-civilization-goes-sci-fi-with-beyond-earth
11:46	asciilifeform	'We shall escape the absurdity of growing a whole chicken in order to eat the breast or wing, by growing these parts separately under a suitable medium.'
11:46	asciilifeform	(winston churchill)
11:46	kakobrekla	yes that is happening nowdays
11:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.01500001 = 0.105 BTC [+] {2}
11:47	asciilifeform	ever eat a cultured cell?
11:47	asciilifeform	try it
11:47	kakobrekla	no i cant say i have
11:47	cgcardona_	damn cryptsy is slow- withdrew 7 different coins about 24 hrs ago and the transactions are still *pending*
11:47	kakobrekla	you tried it?
11:47	asciilifeform	how about a herbivorous insect, like cicada
11:48	asciilifeform	they taste like grass.
11:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5815 = 1.163 BTC [+] {2}
11:48	asciilifeform	'you are what you eat
11:48	asciilifeform	'
11:48	asciilifeform	the simpler the metabolism, the more so.
11:49	cgcardona_	what is the general take in here on altcoins? cool to discuss or not here?
11:50	cgcardona_	i've been pretty excited about master coin and colored coins
11:50	cgcardona_	and of course I've been dabbling in alt just cause I like the idea of cryptos in general
11:51	benkay	cgcardona_: are they actually in the memory pool or has cryptsy not broadcast them yet?
11:52	cgcardona_	it looks like cryptsy hasn't broadcast them yet. cause I created new addresses for each withdraw/coin and I'm not seeing those addresses show up on any blockchains yet
11:52	kakobrekla	asciilifeform i guess we wait until humans manage to grow functional brains on a petri dish, then the argument will be settled.
11:52	cgcardona_	i've read online that 24 hrs has happened to other people. so I'm gonna wait until later today before I contact support.
11:53	benkay	cgcardona_: altcoins are always worth talking about, although some more than others.
11:53	cgcardona_	awesome. my thoughts exactly
11:56	cgcardona_	i'm wondering how the alt coin scene will change w/ the arrival of mastercoin and/or colored coins and/or sidechains. If I understand correctly these will layer abstractions upon bitcoin which will use a satoshi as a level of abstraction to represent anything (stock option, gold bar, keys to a car, deed to a house, etc). If that's the case then all that value should be driven back into the bitcoin blockchain right?
11:56	cgcardona_	which would seemingly push the value of an individual btc highter.
12:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.40455168 BTC to 8`286 shares, 41088 satoshi per share
12:00	ThickAsThieves	more likely, they will do nothing but liberate bitcoins from those who dont deserve them
12:00	ThickAsThieves	at least for the forseeable future
12:03	cgcardona_	ThickAsThieves: can you explain what you mean by that? How will they accomplish that?
12:06	ThickAsThieves	depends on the specific case, but, for example, some of these things require you to "burn" coins, or somewhat permanently assign them
12:06	ThickAsThieves	if/when that sidething dies, what then?
12:07	ThickAsThieves	if/when that sidething scams, what then?
12:07	ThickAsThieves	etc
12:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 30 @ 0.00587346 = 0.1762 BTC [-] {5}
12:07	ThickAsThieves	then, take colored coins
12:08	ThickAsThieves	the push for them comes from a desire to remove centralized exchanges for stocks or property
12:08	ThickAsThieves	but it doesnt remove the risk that the issuer is going to liberate your value
12:08	ThickAsThieves	it actually makes it more likely
12:09	ThickAsThieves	it also doesnt remove regulatory fears
12:09	benkay	basically paper only has value if there's someone with a gun backing that statement of value.
12:09	benkay	bitcoin isn't strong enough to enforce alloidal title.
12:09	benkay	yet.
12:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.04840019 = 0.484 BTC [-] {6}
12:09	ThickAsThieves	it places MORE burden on the issuer of the color
12:09	benkay	take danielpbarron for instance
12:09	cgcardona_	ThickAsThieves: interesting points. I'll consider them.
12:09	ThickAsThieves	!up TestingUnoDosTre
12:09	assbot	Insufficient rights, ThickAsThieves.
12:09	benkay	dude is selling an in-game-currency 'meat' on one of the distributed exchanges
12:10	benkay	!up danielpbarron
12:10	assbot	Voicing danielpbarron for 30 minutes.
12:10	benkay	nobody is enforcing he honor his contract for meats.
12:11	ThickAsThieves	!up TestingUnoDosTre
12:11	assbot	Voicing TestingUnoDosTre for 30 minutes.
12:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2000 @ 0.00013924 = 0.2785 BTC [-] {12}
12:11	benkay	http://blockscan.com/assetInfo.aspx?q=MEAT
12:12	TestingUnoDosTre	anyone know where the instructions are for this gpg key verification ? can't find in the log
12:12	benkay	("Disclaimer: Blockscan is not responsible for the accuracy of the content listed here.")
12:12	benkay	what do you mean by gpg verification, TestingUnoDosTre ?
12:12	benkay	decrypting gribble's one-time-pad?
12:13	TestingUnoDosTre	no, i mean joining the wot or whatever so I don't have to get voiced up ery 30 minutes
12:13	ThickAsThieves	you need to register with WoT and register that same nick with freenode nameserv
12:13	ThickAsThieves	someone made a guide i think
12:13	ThickAsThieves	not surre if it includes all steps
12:13	TestingUnoDosTre	that's what I'm lookin for
12:13	benkay	;;google bitcoin-otc guide wot
12:13	gribble	#bitcoin-otc: <http://bitcoin-otc.com/>; #bitcoin-otc web of trust: <http://bitcoin-otc.com/trust.php>; Beginners Guide - bitcoin-otc wiki: <http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Beginners_Guide>
12:13	TestingUnoDosTre	whoops, was looking in teh wrong log
12:13	ThickAsThieves	;;google #bitcoin-assets +m
12:13	gribble	#bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/>; Vanitas pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/vanitas/>; This privacy thing… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/this-privacy-thing/>
12:14	benkay	http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Beginners_Guide#Registration.2C_authentication.2C_and_validation
12:14	ozbot	Beginners Guide - bitcoin-otc wiki
12:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21078 @ 0.00096436 = 20.3268 BTC [-] {2}
12:14	benkay	basically
12:15	benkay	;;eregister <wot name> <pgp long id>
12:15	gribble	Error: 'name>' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.
12:15	benkay	;;everify <decrypted blob returned from previous command>
12:15	fluffypony	,,gg
12:16	fluffypony	,,bg
12:16	fluffypony	only works on -otc
12:16	fluffypony	[18:16:11] <+fluffypony> ,,bg
12:16	fluffypony	[18:16:12] <@gribble> http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Beginners_Guide
12:16	benkay	;;bg
12:16	gribble	Error: "bg" is not a valid command.
12:16	benkay	huh.
12:16	fluffypony	yeah I know
12:16	fluffypony	it's ,, not ;; for that
12:16	fluffypony	I have nfi why
12:17	TestingUnoDosTre	;;ident TestingUnoDosTre
12:17	gribble	Nick 'TestingUnoDosTre', with hostmask 'TestingUnoDosTre!472849d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.40.73.210', is not identified.
12:18	benkay	also distributed exchanges do shit like publish charts that only go through february: http://blockscan.com/burn.aspx
12:19	benkay	although i guess xcp is a limited time burn thing?
12:19	benkay	which is scamcoin red flag of the highest order.
12:19	fluffypony	yeah
12:19	fluffypony	you could only burn at the beginning
12:19	fluffypony	I don't think you can burn now
12:20	benkay	abhorrent.
12:21	cgcardona_	I just recently registered for this room. I had to register my nick w/ nickserv. Then w/ gribble i `register cgcardona_ <gpg ID>`. gribble replies w/ a challenge string which I then signed w/ my gpg key and put on to pastebin. Then to gribble I said `verify <pastebin url>` and my registration was good. Now to assbot I ca n`!up` and it works. Each time to register w/ gribble I `auth cgcardona_ ` to which it replies w/ anoth
12:21	cgcardona_	challenge string that I again sign and put on pastebin.
12:22	cgcardona_	not sure if that helps of if that's all extremely obvious for everyone in here.
12:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 47 @ 0.59716603 = 28.0668 BTC [+] {11}
12:22	cgcardona_	*helps at all
12:23	benkay	if you do ;;eauth cgcardona_ , you can decrypt the otp you get in return and then ;;everify that string
12:23	benkay	a little script that curl otp-url.php | gpg -d | pbcopy on os x is how i do things
12:23	benkay	so that i can just ;;everify (cmd p)
12:23	fluffypony	benkay: "The protocol was coded to create XCP on any address that sent less than or equal to 1 BTC to 1CounterpartyXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXUWLpVr between blocks 278310 and 283810 This was written right into the open-source code. So no individual had to be trusted to accept money then distribute a genesis block like with Next, Mastercoin, Emunie, Ethereum, Levelcoin (ipo scam), Visacoin (ipo scam)"
12:24	fluffypony	from reddit
12:24	cgcardona_	cool I'll check that out benkay
12:25	benkay	fluffypony: these initial burns are just as much a crime as premining.
12:25	fluffypony	benkay: I actually don't understand the point of this at all
12:25	cgcardona_	very interesting. I'd not heard that argument before.
12:25	benkay	http://blockscan.com/asset.aspx
12:26	benkay	(^^ wtf am i supposed to do? examine every thing individually??)
12:26	cgcardona_	so you're saying it's like premining in the sense that the people creating the coins which need to be burned in to are starting the game with a bunch of the new coins for themselves?
12:27	fluffypony	benkay: presumably the active ones will punt their asset?
12:27	benkay	the whole thing is a punt
12:27	benkay	look, an exchange is by definition a place people gather to exchange a thing
12:27	benkay	if i have to go to bitcointalk.org to read about your 'asset', you've failed.
12:28	fluffypony	agreed
12:29	fluffypony	I also don't see what's wrong (fundamentally) with an exchange being a central point of issuance/authority/failure, as long as it's not built and run like mtgox or litecoininvest or whatever
12:29	benkay	it is a time honored practice, this centralizing of important things.
12:29	benkay	docks
12:29	benkay	banks
12:29	benkay	libraries
12:30	cgcardona_	ok then can I spin it as all of the burn in coins will just remove btc from the blockchain thus driving value to the blockchain a la' "Lost coins only make everyone else's coins worth slightly more. Think of it as a donation to everyone."
12:30	benkay	but you just burnt bitcoins.
12:30	benkay	they're gone forever.
12:30	benkay	n/21 million gone.
12:30	cgcardona_	right - and satoshi's quote says "Lost coins only make everyone else's coins worth slightly more. Think of it as a donation to everyone."
12:30	cgcardona_	my last question was partially in jest
12:31	benkay	donations to everyone are not needed.
12:31	benkay	when the world economy is denominated in btc, these pennies will not materially affect how much or less i can buy with my btc.
12:32	benkay	economy size being fixed, and my share of the pool being fixed (income aside)
12:32	cgcardona_	but who is to say it will only be pennies? What if someone were to burn 75% of all btc into other coins. that would surely affect the price of the remaining btc by more than pennies.
12:32	benkay	price, and today.
12:33	ThickAsThieves	the pie is 100% no matter ho0w many slices
12:33	ThickAsThieves	this is the point
12:33	benkay	besides, it's a garbage example. anyone controlling significant numbers of btc won't be burning significant numbers of them. maybe the odd equivalent of a buttcoin to see some derps flail with their piggyback chains, but not a significant number.
12:34	cgcardona_	i personally agree with you. but I don't think I can speak for "anyone controlling significant numbers of btc"
12:34	cgcardona_	people act irrationally
12:34	cgcardona_	and we dont know what jesus coins may arrive in the future. people may be incentivized to burn coins en mass
12:34	cgcardona_	but actually I agree w/ you overall. just arguing the point for the sake of clarity
12:34	ThickAsThieves	people may grow unihorns too
12:34	benkay	and the earth may orbit backwards tomorrow.
12:35	cgcardona_	:D
12:35	asciilifeform	best racket will be to 'burn,' rather than burn.
12:35	fluffypony	asciilifeform yeah
12:35	fluffypony	given a sufficiently powerful vanity address generator
12:36	fluffypony	you could convince people it's a burner
12:36	TestingUnoDosTre	;;eregister TestingUnoDosTre DFBEC17DF96DFB77
12:36	gribble	Request successful for user TestingUnoDosTre, hostmask TestingUnoDosTre!472849d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.40.73.210. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/DFBEC17DF96DFB77
12:36	cgcardona_	so let me see if I understand. I tell people I'm creating cgcardona_coin and that they need to burn coins into 1cgcardonafuckingrulesAdfusd address which is actually my personal address?
12:36	fluffypony	that sentence was all wrong, but you get my drift
12:36	benkay	btw TestingUnoDosTre that OTP url is unique for the duration of your use of that key. so feel free to hard code it into any scripts you write.
12:37	fluffypony	cgcardona_: yes, that burner address was 1CounterpartyXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXUWLpVr
12:37	TestingUnoDosTre	nice
12:37	cgcardona_	fluffypony: ah ok I'm getting it now
12:37	fluffypony	to generate that with vanitygen or oclvanitygen would take more time than there is on the sun
12:37	benkay	time on the sun nice
12:37	cgcardona_	haha
12:38	benkay	i've heard of mixed metaphors, but you blended that one
12:38	ThickAsThieves	*could* take more time
12:38	fluffypony	ThickAsThieves is right
12:38	fluffypony	could take
12:38	benkay	mhm.
12:38	benkay	burning. considered stupid.
12:38	cgcardona_	glad we had this talk.
12:39	fluffypony	stumbling across a randomly generated BTC privkey that is for an address with funds is equally possible and probably more likely
12:39	cgcardona_	i had been buying into the mastercoin and colored coins hype
12:39	fluffypony	:-P
12:40	ThickAsThieves	glad you asked!
12:40	benkay	distributed autonomous corporations
12:40	benkay	ick
12:40	ThickAsThieves	ick
12:40	ThickAsThieves	lol
12:40	benkay	getting a bit echo-y in here...
12:40	ThickAsThieves	asschamber
12:41	benkay	an individual suggesting a business could be run on algorithms is demonstrating why that person is unsuited to make claims about businesses.
12:41	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75300 @ 0.00096562 = 72.7112 BTC [+] {5}
12:42	benkay	even your gambling operation will need human intervention from time to time.
12:42	benkay	unless you hook the cold wallet up to the robot too, which, anathema.
12:42	fluffypony	yeah
12:43	fluffypony	that's why the whole Internet marketing / Warrior Forum thing is such a clever scam
12:43	fluffypony	because they keep advertising things as "hands off"
12:43	ThickAsThieves	one day i want to grow up and be a DAC cab company owner
12:43	fluffypony	like you're just going to start this auto-blogging thing and it'll go and you won't need to touch it and the funds will just flow in
12:44	benkay	"you don't even need to know anything!"
12:44	benkay	get. the. fuck. out.
12:44	fluffypony	passive income is not a thing unless you happen to write a massive single that will be played for the next 100 years, or write a timeless book that will be sold for the next 100 years
12:44	benkay	500k in the bank
12:45	benkay	move to thailand
12:45	fluffypony	ask MisterE about that:-P
12:45	cgcardona_	fluffypony: more accurately if you *produce* a massive single. writers/performers get screwed as well
12:45	benkay	or 500B, live off the deflationary behavior
12:45	benkay	in like 30 years
12:45	ThickAsThieves	fluffypony even music income isnt passive
12:46	ThickAsThieves	needs lawyers, enforcement, etc
12:46	fluffypony	and concerts and promotions
12:46	cgcardona_	^
12:46	fluffypony	and book signings
12:46	fluffypony	and TV appearances
12:46	cgcardona_	and flavored drinks
12:46	cgcardona_	(i'm looking at you 50 cent)
12:46	fluffypony	heh
12:46	ThickAsThieves	plus who the fuck pays for music anymore?
12:46	fluffypony	"new fluffypony cola"
12:46	benkay	wow hey i just realized a thing
12:46	benkay	code tutorials with product placement
12:47	ThickAsThieves	this code brought to you by Mountain Dew
12:47	benkay	var MountainDew = "yourbutt"
12:47	cgcardona_	haha
12:47	fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: I do peripherally - I have a Songza premium sub ($0.99 a week) and a Rdio Unlimited subscription ($10/month)
12:47	benkay	great hustle
12:47	fluffypony	but I don't pay per song
12:47	ThickAsThieves	well i do too, but yknow
12:48	benkay	impossible to find anything on those damn services
12:48	cgcardona_	I pay for music at live shows quite often. That's where the real hustle is
12:48	ThickAsThieves	so far pandora wins
12:48	ThickAsThieves	great at finding new music
12:48	fluffypony	Rdio is actually really awesome - you can "sync" stuff to mobile, which basically just downloads the songs and stores them in the app
12:48	fluffypony	so kinda like buying it and having a local copy except not
12:48	cgcardona_	yea spotify does that as well
12:48	ThickAsThieves	fluffypony they all do that
12:48	benkay	kinda almost like copying the file and putting it on a device
12:48	benkay	o.O
12:48	ThickAsThieves	lol
12:48	fluffypony	lol
12:48	cgcardona_	haaha!
12:49	cgcardona_	except they can take it whenever they want!
12:49	benkay	except shittier and stupid.
12:49	fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: yeah but none of them have been available in South Africa till Rdio came along
12:49	kakobrekla	!up TestingUnoDosTre
12:49	assbot	Insufficient rights, kakobrekla.
12:49	ThickAsThieves	!up TestingUnoDosTre
12:49	assbot	Voicing TestingUnoDosTre for 30 minutes.
12:49	kakobrekla	ty
12:50	TestingUnoDosTre	;;eregister TestingUnoDosTre DFBEC17DF96DFB77
12:50	gribble	Request successful for user TestingUnoDosTre, hostmask TestingUnoDosTre!472849d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.40.73.210. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/DFBEC17DF96DFB77
12:50	ThickAsThieves	yw
12:50	cgcardona_	omg 'proof-of-burn' is actually a thing
12:50	cgcardona_	i thought that was just the greatest stoner joke ever
12:51	cgcardona_	i didn't realize that's what the concept was actually called (reading https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=395761.0)
12:51	fluffypony	heh
12:52	benkay	proof of burn is a great way to get people to buy into your thing
12:52	benkay	do it, now you have this tiny network of people who need to see the value of their coins increase. they will jump through all sorts of rationalizations as to why their burn was a good idea.
12:53	benkay	plus, you now have an entirely constricted supply.
12:53	benkay	consider a bitcoin thing; an alt chain, a piggyback thing, whatever it is.
12:54	cgcardona_	"they will jump through all sorts of rationalizations as to why their burn was a good idea." - couldn't you say the same thing about most people who have a vested interest in something succeeding?
12:54	benkay	if it throws away big important parts of bitcoin (like say distributing supply semi-randomly according to capital power, the txn processing network), it's probably fucking stupid.
12:54	benkay	cgcardona_: bitcoin especially
12:55	TestingUnoDosTre	;;;verify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:d9e4395d378eb882437ec77d6fb080db6aedf418eb220b117fbfc9c1
12:55	gribble	Error: ";verify" is not a valid command.
12:55	benkay	;;everify
12:55	TestingUnoDosTre	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:d9e4395d378eb882437ec77d6fb080db6aedf418eb220b117fbfc9c1
12:55	gribble	Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user TestingUnoDosTre with key DFBEC17DF96DFB77
12:55	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12074 @ 0.00096568 = 11.6596 BTC [+]
12:55	fluffypony	wd TestingUnoDosTre
12:55	TestingUnoDosTre	now I just need some trust!?
12:55	fluffypony	specifically you need to be in assbot's primary trust
12:55	cgcardona_	TestingUnoDosTre: so does that mean you don't have to reauth everytime you come into the room?
12:55	benkay	or secondary
12:55	benkay	;;gettrust TestingUnoDosTre
12:55	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask TestingUnoDosTre!472849d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.40.73.210. Trust relationship from user benkay to user TestingUnoDosTre: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=TestingUnoDosTre | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=TestingUnoDosTre | Rated since: never
12:55	fluffypony	or secondary
12:55	benkay	;;gettrust TestingUnoDosTre assbot
12:55	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user TestingUnoDosTre to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=TestingUnoDosTre&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014
12:55	cgcardona_	;;gettrust benkay
12:55	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask benkay!~user@71-214-87-217.ptld.qwest.net. Trust relationship from user cgcardona_ to user benkay: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=cgcardona_&dest=benkay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=benkay | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013
12:56	benkay	;;rate TestingUnoDosTre 1 an entity.
12:56	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user TestingUnoDosTre has been recorded.
12:56	benkay	let the rating dilutions begin.
12:57	TestingUnoDosTre	;;gettrust TEstingUnoDosTre
12:57	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask TestingUnoDosTre!472849d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.40.73.210. Trust relationship from user TestingUnoDosTre to user TEstingUnoDosTre: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=TestingUnoDosTre&dest=TEstingUnoDosTre | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=TEstingUnoDosTre | Rated since: Sun Apr 13 12:56:09 2014
12:57	benkay	TestingUnoDosTre: you can now !up yourself via pm with assbot
12:57	benkay	;;gettrust assbot TestingUnoDosTre
12:57	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask TestingUnoDosTre!472849d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.40.73.210. Trust relationship from user assbot to user TestingUnoDosTre: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=TestingUnoDosTre | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=TestingUnoDosTre | Rated since: Sun Apr 13 12:56:09 2014
12:57	TestingUnoDosTre	do I have to add trust to assbot?
12:57	fluffypony	nope
12:57	TestingUnoDosTre	or rate
12:57	benkay	no, it works the other way around.
12:57	cgcardona_	so I'm able to up myself but I have no trust w/ assbot. how is that working?
12:58	benkay	;;rate TestingUnoDosTre 1 still using a web client
12:58	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user TestingUnoDosTre has changed from 1 to 1.
12:58	benkay	;;gettrust cgcardona_ assbot
12:58	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user cgcardona_ to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=cgcardona_&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014
12:58	TestingUnoDosTre	:D
12:58	benkay	!down cgcardona_
12:58	assbot	Insufficient rights, benkay.
12:58	benkay	!up cgcardona_
12:58	assbot	Voicing cgcardona_.
12:58	benkay	!down cgcardona_
12:58	assbot	Insufficient rights, benkay.
12:58	TestingUnoDosTre	!up TestingUnoDosTre
12:58	assbot	Insufficient rights, TestingUnoDosTre.
12:58	benkay	fascinating.
12:58	benkay	you !up yourself in pm with assbot, TestingUnoDosTre
12:59	TestingUnoDosTre	gotcha
12:59	benkay	cgcardona_: can you really up yourself? would you demonstrate that?
12:59	benkay	;;ident cgcardona_
12:59	gribble	Nick 'cgcardona_', with hostmask 'cgcardona_!~cgcardona@cpe-75-85-131-223.hawaii.res.rr.com', is identified as user 'cgcardona_', with GPG key id 0F1225CA7384131A, key fingerprint B591A80F8DF61ACAC58C806A0F1225CA7384131A, and bitcoin address None
12:59	cgcardona_	sure
12:59	cgcardona_	just did it
12:59	benkay	so part and then rejoin
12:59	cgcardona_	ok
12:59	cgcardona_	brb
13:00	kakobrekla	asciilifeform what was that recent blogpost link re dont come to merrica again?
13:00	benkay	;;ident cgcardona_
13:00	gribble	Nick 'cgcardona_', with hostmask 'cgcardona_!~cgcardona@cpe-75-85-131-223.hawaii.res.rr.com', is not identified.
13:00	benkay	;;ident cgcardona_
13:00	gribble	Nick 'cgcardona_', with hostmask 'cgcardona_!~cgcardona@cpe-75-85-131-223.hawaii.res.rr.com', is not identified.
13:01	benkay	waiting on you, cgcardona_
13:01	fluffypony	sweet Harrison Ford AMA
13:01	fluffypony	http://i.imgur.com/um6ijro.jpg
13:01	fluffypony	he looks like a wizard
13:01	cgcardona_	ok i'm back w/ voice benkay
13:02	cgcardona_	the time lag is that I need to reauth w/ gribble each time which takes a second.
13:02	benkay	;;gettrust cgcardona_ assbot
13:02	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user cgcardona_ to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=cgcardona_&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014
13:02	benkay	kakobrekla: what's going on with cgcardona_ ?
13:02	benkay	just self-upped with no lvl2 trust to assbot.
13:02	benkay	s/to/from
13:03	cgcardona_	kakobrekla: gave me a little trust yesterday. i think that was sufficient
13:03	cgcardona_	just so that I could !up
13:03	benkay	;;gettrust kakobrekla assbot
13:03	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user assbot: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 4 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014
13:03	cgcardona_	i'm still unclear on how to get trust from assbot
13:03	benkay	;;gettrust kakobrekla cgcardona_
13:03	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask cgcardona_!~cgcardona@cpe-75-85-131-223.hawaii.res.rr.com. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user cgcardona_: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=cgcardona_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cgcardona_ | Rated since: Sat Apr 12 18:04:35 2014
13:04	kakobrekla	is gribble bugged?
13:04	benkay	;;gettrust assbot cgcardona_
13:04	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask cgcardona_!~cgcardona@cpe-75-85-131-223.hawaii.res.rr.com. Trust relationship from user assbot to user cgcardona_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=cgcardona_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cgcardona_ | Rated since: Sat Apr 12 18:04:35 2014
13:04	benkay	no, it's directional.
13:04	kakobrekla	well there it is
13:04	kakobrekla	yeah
13:04	kakobrekla	makes sense
13:04	kakobrekla	naughty cgcardona_ didnt rate back,.
13:04	benkay	mhm
13:04	cgcardona_	kakobrekla: I'm new! will rate right now (googling how)
13:04	benkay	uh so i guess this means i have to update ratings
13:04	kakobrekla	:D
13:04	cgcardona_	still new to wot
13:04	kakobrekla	no worries
13:04	cgcardona_	:)
13:05	TestingUnoDosTre	wwhy did assbot say I wasn't authenticated?
13:05	kakobrekla	;;gettrust TestingUnoDosTre
13:05	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask TestingUnoDosTre!472849d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.40.73.210. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user TestingUnoDosTre: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=TestingUnoDosTre | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=TestingUnoDosTre | Rated since: Sun Apr 13 12:56:09 2014
13:05	benkay	;;rate Ssateneth 3 good exchange
13:05	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Ssateneth has changed from 2 to 3.
13:05	kakobrekla	at this point we will need #bitcoin-assets-support
13:05	TestingUnoDosTre	hrmph
13:05	kakobrekla	s/point/rate
13:05	benkay	;;rate mircea_popescu 3 bitlord
13:05	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mircea_popescu has changed from 1 to 3.
13:06	benkay	;;rate kakobrekla 3 such ops
13:06	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user kakobrekla has changed from 2 to 3.
13:06	benkay	;;rate jurov 2 great to work with
13:06	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user jurov has changed from 1 to 2.
13:06	cgcardona_	;;rate kakobrekla 1 For allowing me to have voince in #bitcoin-assets
13:06	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user kakobrekla has been recorded.
13:06	benkay	;;rate mod6 2 monk
13:06	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mod6 has changed from 1 to 2.
13:06	benkay	;;rate davout 2 did not 0day me
13:06	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user davout has changed from 1 to 2.
13:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.00570001 = 0.3705 BTC [+]
13:07	kakobrekla	TestingUnoDosTre does assbot still say you are not authed?
13:07	TestingUnoDosTre	looks like it does not
13:08	cgcardona_	;;gettrust cgcardona_
13:08	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask cgcardona_!~cgcardona@cpe-75-85-131-223.hawaii.res.rr.com. Trust relationship from user cgcardona_ to user cgcardona_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=cgcardona_&dest=cgcardona_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cgcardona_ | Rated since: Sat Apr 12 18:04:35 2014
13:08	cgcardona_	trust noone ^
13:09	TestingUnoDosTre	can't rate myself, what kind of sham is this!?
13:09	benkay	;;rate TestingUnoDosTre 1 #bitcoin-assets +v
13:09	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user TestingUnoDosTre has changed from 1 to 1.
13:11	TestingUnoDosTre	;;rate dignork 1 helped me register gpg key. Bitcoin-assets support 5 stars *****
13:11	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user dignork has been recorded.
13:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03529966 = 0.1059 BTC [+] {3}
13:19	cgcardona_	;;rate kakobrekla 1 For allowing me to have voice in #bitcoin-assets
13:19	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user kakobrekla has changed from 1 to 1.
13:19	cgcardona_	fixing typo ^^
13:24	Anduck	!up gribble
13:24	assbot	Insufficient rights, Anduck.
13:24	Anduck	n00b assbot
13:24	Anduck	!up anduck
13:24	assbot	Insufficient rights, Anduck.
13:24	Anduck	wtf
13:24	Apocalyptic	<Anduck> !up gribble // he's already upped... as you are
13:25	Anduck	well hmm yea
13:27	Anduck	!up gribble
13:27	assbot	Insufficient rights, Anduck.
13:27	Anduck	ok
13:27	Anduck	i thought it was because i wasn't authed
13:27	Anduck	but now i am =)
13:27	Apocalyptic	what are you trying to do ?
13:27	Anduck	just testing assbot
13:28	bounce	;;echo !up anduck
13:28	gribble	!up anduck
13:28	assbot	Insufficient rights, gribble.
13:30	kakobrekla	noobs.
13:30	Anduck	noobs?
13:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00096536 = 4.3924 BTC [-]
13:30	kakobrekla	if you !up yourself via pm with assbot you get all the rights you get
13:31	Anduck	why does it say "insufficient rights"?
13:31	kakobrekla	you dont get those if you are upped by someone else or if theres a split like it was.
13:31	Anduck	!up anduck
13:31	assbot	Voicing anduck for 30 minutes.
13:31	Anduck	nice
13:31	kakobrekla	you just self pwned yourself
13:31	Anduck	i kno
13:31	Anduck	i can selfpwn anyone
13:32	Anduck	like gribble, right=
13:32	Anduck	'
13:32	kakobrekla	i found a bug.
13:32	Anduck	i found it too =)
13:32	Anduck	well, it's not a bug but... that is a bug
13:32	Anduck	;;echo !up assbot
13:32	gribble	!up assbot
13:32	assbot	Insufficient rights, gribble.
13:32	Anduck	!up assbot
13:32	assbot	I don't do bots, Anduck.
13:32	Anduck	ahh
13:32	Anduck	he doesn't do bots.
13:33	kakobrekla	;;echo !up Assbot
13:33	gribble	!up Assbot
13:33	assbot	Insufficient rights, gribble.
13:33	kakobrekla	the problem is, theres a difference between "!up Anduck" and "!up anduck"
13:34	Anduck	hmm
13:34	Anduck	ok
13:34	kakobrekla	i noticed it now.
13:34	Anduck	!up Anduck
13:34	assbot	Really, Anduck?
13:34	Anduck	!up anDuck
13:34	assbot	Voicing anDuck for 30 minutes.
13:34	Anduck	heh
13:34	Anduck	!up Gribble
13:34	assbot	Voicing Gribble for 30 minutes.
13:34	Anduck	shiiit
13:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0354999 = 0.355 BTC [+]
13:35	kakobrekla	just do !down anduck
13:35	Anduck	!down Gribble
13:35	Anduck	hmm
13:35	kakobrekla	down yourself.
13:35	Anduck	gribble needs permavoice, though
13:35	Anduck	!down anduckj
13:35	Anduck	!down anduck
13:35	kakobrekla	meh
13:35	kakobrekla	no gribble just needs less idiots messing around with stuff
13:35	fluffypony	lol, so there's a new Japanese exchange: btcbox.co.jp
13:35	fluffypony	from reddit: "Just to clarify, this is not a new Gox. They were only here cos that fat french fuck had to run away from his previous crimes. This exchange appears to be a proper japanese exchange aimed at the Japanese people."
13:36	Anduck	haha you just called me an idiot, right? =D
13:36	kakobrekla	maybe i did
13:36	bounce	timeless lessons of software engineering.
13:36	mircea_popescu	sounds legit
13:37	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00096536 = 6.5162 BTC [-]
13:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.608 BTC [+]
13:39	ThickAsThieves	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/22xjx4/my_wife_is_complaining_that_the_house_is_cold/
13:39	ozbot	My wife is complaining that the house is cold.... because we sold our bitcoin miners... : Bitcoin
13:39	ThickAsThieves	lol
13:39	ThickAsThieves	"And before she was complaining that the house was too noisy... because we had bitcoin miners...
13:39	ThickAsThieves	can't win."
13:39	ThickAsThieves	"sell your wife next time"
13:39	Anduck	should buy noiseless miners
13:39	Anduck	bitfurys for example =)
13:40	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves until and unless he starts spanking her, definitely.
13:41	nubbins`	noiseless wife, even
13:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03403328 = 0.2723 BTC [-] {5}
13:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06698999 = 0.6699 BTC [+] {2}
13:44	mircea_popescu	dn¡
13:45	mircea_popescu	fail.
13:45	mircea_popescu	˙uǝʌǝ ןıɐɟ
13:46	thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: any reccommendations on what software to use to talk to gpg for automated things?
13:46	Anduck	make bash script
13:46	fluffypony	uʍop¡
13:47	fluffypony	ɟʇʍ 'ʞɹoʍ ʇ,usǝop
13:47	mircea_popescu	prolly a bash script'd be the best
13:47	fluffypony	¿ʇoqssɐ oʇ assbot ǝɯɐuǝɹ pןnoɥs ǝʍ ǝqʎɐɯ
13:47	benkay	hard question is how best to set up box with gpg on network and wire it to other boxen doing stuff.
13:48	mircea_popescu	why on network ? hook them up on serial cable and write your own protocol.
13:48	benkay	"network"
13:50	benkay	but thx mircea_popescu
13:50	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00096672 = 18.4644 BTC [+]
13:51	bounce	interfacing gpg is clunky to the point there's a library to make it easier, gpgme (haven't checked how much it helps, to me it's just another annoying dependency), though some programs just run the commands and look at the answer strings
13:51	thestringpuller	all these unicode characters are killin issi
13:52	bounce	though if you go (bourne, not bourne again please) script it's probably a good idea to tell the thing to use "C" for a locale, lest the thing suddenly talks french or something
13:53	thestringpuller	bounce: sounds like a problem for pankkake
13:53	FabianB	pympex and MPEx.rb use gpgme
13:54	thestringpuller	good 'ol mpexagent ;)
13:54	mircea_popescu	gpgme isn't bad, there's also a gpgagent thing that seems solid
13:54	thestringpuller	agents scare me
13:54	mircea_popescu	just you know, whatever you're doing
13:56	FabianB	gpgme is a library for gpg, gpg-agent just just 'remember my pw for a period of time'
13:56	mircea_popescu	!up dignork
13:56	assbot	Voicing dignork for 30 minutes.
13:56	mircea_popescu	yo. dja know how to up yourself ?
13:58	dignork	mircea_popescu, why?
13:58	mircea_popescu	so you can do it lol
13:59	assbot	Listing #bitcoin-assets rules - requested by only
13:59	assbot	- don't spam too much, it's spammy
13:59	assbot	- don't use of 'afk' or 'away' on the chan or your nick, it's spammy
13:59	assbot	- anything you say is public and can be used by anyone
13:59	assbot	- we do like bacon and eggs, even sausages most of the time
13:59	bounce	spammy spammy assbot
14:00	dignork	mircea_popescu, this kind of contradicts the new elitist channel model
14:01	mircea_popescu	how you mean ?
14:01	mircea_popescu	!up only
14:01	assbot	Voicing only for 30 minutes.
14:01	mircea_popescu	yo.
14:02	only	danke mircea_popescu
14:02	dignork	;;echo !up dignork
14:02	gribble	!up dignork
14:02	assbot	Insufficient rights, gribble.
14:02	mircea_popescu	sure.
14:03	dignork	tor access seems to be horribly lagging anyway:( so even my attempt to check if grible echo hack works was pointless :(
14:03	mircea_popescu	dignork you id with gribble and then pm assbot !up
14:03	mircea_popescu	and gribble hack doth not work, no.
14:04	mircea_popescu	http://blog.khersonus.com/2014/assbot-level-2-trust/ < gotta be on this list. you get there by getting in the wot and getting rated by someone in assbot's trustlist
14:04	ozbot	assbot level 2 trust | Khersonus Blog
14:04	Anduck	assbot: take your head off your ass
14:04	jurov	;;gettrust assbot dignork
14:04	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask dignork!~dignork@gateway/tor-sasl/dignork. Trust relationship from user assbot to user dignork: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=dignork | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=dignork | Rated since: Fri Oct 18 12:20:18 2013
14:05	dignork	i know the drill mircea_popescu, but nobody trusts me enought anyway :)
14:05	dignork	*enough
14:06	mircea_popescu	well maybe in time huh.
14:07	benkay	what do we think about 1's for +v?
14:07	benkay	obvs not for robwhiz22 etc al but those who appear to be on the right track
14:08	mircea_popescu	judgement call for teh 29
14:08	benkay	;;rate dignork 1 #bitcoin-assets +v
14:08	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user dignork has been recorded.
14:09	benkay	dignork: are you selling btc atm?
14:09	benkay	;;gettrust assbot dignork
14:09	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask dignork!~dignork@gateway/tor-sasl/dignork. Trust relationship from user assbot to user dignork: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=dignork | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=dignork | Rated since: Fri Oct 18 12:20:18 2013
14:10	mircea_popescu	i dun recall if i linked this
14:10	mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlExt5iCAAAf6jn.png:large
14:10	jurov	to da moon!
14:10	benkay	> implying?
14:11	dignork	benkay, i can sell some small amount, just for kicks, why?
14:12	pankkake	dignork would have had a trust through me soon anyways
14:13	mircea_popescu	dignork why so emo srsly ? apparently tons of people were going to trust you enough
14:15	dignork	i have some trust on otc, but the group in assets does not intersects too much
14:15	pankkake	bounce: there is --with-colons. I never had to parse actual text content from GPG, exit codes etc. were enough
14:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00096684 = 11.6988 BTC [+] {2}
14:15	punkman	if you want to gpg with python: https://pythonhosted.org/python-gnupg/
14:15	pankkake	but the state of python libs is weird… there's like at least three libs and they all suck
14:15	bounce	sure. mutt doesn't use gpgme either, IIRC
14:15	only	any tobacco smokers in here? I want a rating as well :)
14:16	bounce	::rate -1 only unhealthy character
14:16	mircea_popescu	lol cigs for access ? this sounds like the old time clubs are here :D
14:17	pankkake	I'm thinking of hoarding tobacco, as a doomsday currency
14:17	*	bounce isn't too sure python doesn't secretly suck either. then again, might be I'm reading too many naggum links.
14:17	only	pankkake: good thinking
14:18	bounce	risky though. one fire and all your currency goes up in smoke.
14:18	mircea_popescu	pankkake definitely worked that way in the west
14:18	mircea_popescu	!up toffoo
14:18	assbot	Voicing toffoo for 30 minutes.
14:18	only	any brands in mind, pankkake?
14:18	mircea_popescu	you could just as well buy a wife for 40 leaves
14:18	benkay	no no bounce
14:18	benkay	it sucks.
14:18	benkay	java with less typing is all.
14:18	pankkake	no, I don't know the first thing about it. my first step would be learn how to store it so that it lasts
14:19	bounce	there's some cute things you can do with it that're less possible with java
14:19	only	pankkake: a big ass humidor should suffice
14:19	mircea_popescu	or a lot of apple slices.
14:20	mircea_popescu	anyway, there are those who claim old tobacco properly stored is actually better than new.
14:20	mircea_popescu	!up omen1855
14:20	assbot	Voicing omen1855 for 30 minutes.
14:21	benkay	such new folk
14:21	danielpbarron	neato
14:21	bounce	so I rewrote that thing from yesterday in python then fixed the calculations: http://pastebin.ca/2695668 apparently this "comprehensions" thing is a bit contagious.
14:22	*	jurov found some vintage "taras bulba" tobacco from 1960s.. so you say it has some value?
14:22	only	mircea_popescu: Virginias age wonderfully :)
14:22	pankkake	I love list comprehensions. I'm sure lispfags will scoff at it though!
14:23	mircea_popescu	jurov taras bulba or trash vulva ?
14:24	jurov	lol... it was named after nikolai gogol's novella
14:25	mircea_popescu	is this the one with the kidnapped underage chick where the author blames the chick ?
14:26	jurov	i had not read(nor smoke) it wikipedia says nothign about chix
14:26	fluffypony	[20:24:57] <xodianbarr> fyi the prypto shares early adopter offering ends tonight. Tomorrow they will be unavailable and on Tuesday they go on bitcoinbourse. Anyone purchasing at least 1 share till the deadline gets a private share for every public share purchased and the opportunity of the private share account which gives an insight into dividend profit build up monthly.
14:26	fluffypony	another bitcoinbourse "asset" is coming
14:27	bounce	heh. so, you have to buy one sooper sekrit share now or be bereft of the company books forever?
14:27	jurov	yes, i mentioned it, "bitcoin stickers IPO"
14:27	jurov	beyond farcical
14:27	mircea_popescu	jurov i was just pretending gogol's nabokov.
14:28	mircea_popescu	fluffypony prypto ? srsly ?!
14:28	fluffypony	https://prypto.com/investment/
14:28	ozbot	Prypto: Welcome to Prypto
14:28	mircea_popescu	holy shit!
14:28	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/why-everything-you-think-you-know-about-dns-is-entirely-wrong/
14:28	ozbot	Why everything you think you know about DNS is entirely wrong pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu
14:28	mircea_popescu	yesterday i write, today they apply ?! gotta love these new scammers.
14:29	pankkake	I thought it was a typo
14:30	fluffypony	uh, but Google has stated on more than one occasion that exact match domain names are no longer relevant
14:30	fluffypony	http://searchenginewatch.com/article/2214115/Google-Warns-of-Upcoming-Exact-Match-Domain-Algorithm-Change
14:30	thestringpuller	;;google REPL
14:30	gribble	Read–eval–print loop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Read%E2%80%93eval%E2%80%93print_loop>; Repl.it: <http://repl.it/>; REPL Node.js v0.10.26 Manual & Documentation: <http://nodejs.org/api/repl.html>
14:30	thestringpuller	booooo
14:30	jurov	whut are they gonna use? soundex?
14:31	mircea_popescu	aproximex
14:34	*	bounce tries and fails to come up with a funny connecting "africanisation of the west" to the fail that is "black culture" in the US and bright eyed young white pasty silly vally kids
14:34	mircea_popescu	this should be a play.
14:34	mircea_popescu	write it and be forever known as bouncespeare
14:35	mircea_popescu	sorta like shake v2.0. bounce.
14:35	*	bounce is no good with drama. but hey, n'ver know what the morrow bringeth
14:36	bounce	maybe should go and look at that onion "white niggah" thing for inspiration
14:36	fluffypony	can we cast robwhizz22 as court jester?
14:37	mircea_popescu	bounce to learn a craft, you copy the masters. pick a play, rewrite it for your topic, publish your clumbsy attempt for general ridicule.
14:37	mircea_popescu	if you've a modicum of culture and read the damned things you stand some chance of at least picking the right one for the purpose.
14:38	mircea_popescu	in any event, twenty or so years later you may have become mediocre at it.
14:39	bounce	well, at least I got your unequivocal encouragement
14:39	mircea_popescu	indeed!
14:40	dignork	mircea_popescu, DNS article, topic related name might get indexed by search engine in forum links etc, so they might not be a total waste of money
14:41	mircea_popescu	this is a point, indeed. a minor one, i suspect.
14:41	fluffypony	dignork
14:41	fluffypony	most forums nowadays are nofollow links
14:42	mircea_popescu	!up starsoccer
14:42	assbot	Voicing starsoccer for 30 minutes.
14:42	starsoccer	oo thanks mircea_popescu
14:42	mircea_popescu	yw.
14:42	starsoccer	just did it via pm but it told me i need to auth
14:42	starsoccer	;;ident
14:42	gribble	Nick 'starsoccer', with hostmask 'starsoccer!~starsocce@207.12.89.33', is not identified.
14:42	starsoccer	guess im not authed
14:43	starsoccer	;;bcauth starsoccer
14:43	gribble	Request successful for user starsoccer, hostmask starsoccer!~starsocce@207.12.89.33. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:cbc86176ae8302104f5210cc34dae4fafdcb017ed3a11f33fbb95758
14:43	mircea_popescu	yes you need to get in the wot and auth.
14:43	starsoccer	i am, just gribble keeps login me out
14:43	starsoccer	idk why
14:43	mircea_popescu	if it doesn't see you it logs yu out
14:43	starsoccer	well i ussually idle in a few so it always sees me
14:43	starsoccer	anyways let me auth
14:44	mircea_popescu	you're on the l2 list, so after you do you can pm assbot !up and it'll permavoice oyu.
14:44	starsoccer	kk
14:44	starsoccer	12list?
14:45	bounce	;;gettrust assbot starsoccer
14:45	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user starsoccer: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=starsoccer | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=starsoccer | Rated since: Sat May 12 23:07:51 2012
14:45	dignork	another example then: otc user shilling a service with domain name consisting of "bitcoin" and "insanity", i'll never remember the domain name, but googling these two terms kinda brings me to his site
14:45	mircea_popescu	!up aadeseye
14:45	assbot	Voicing aadeseye for 30 minutes.
14:46	mircea_popescu	dignork the reason you don't remember it is precisely that it had bitcoin in it and your brain spaces it out. i don't remember all the coin* shit either.
14:46	mircea_popescu	if it was some unique well chosen 5-6-7 char word you prolly would have remembered it.
14:49	dignork	mircea_popescu, yes, but in this case "google" algo kicks in, and he still gets a customer, so this dns exploits another mind bug , instead of browser autocompletion
14:49	bounce	two consonants at the start is nice for re-visits, not so much for first looks, typing from a commercial or the decals on a lorry or whatever
14:50	mircea_popescu	if you're good enough to actually get forum mentions the effect in question is comparatively weak. if you're weak and rely on trying to spam forums it won't likely get you anything anyway. at least in a high level survey sort of mindset. no denying that derping on the internet could turn your 100 bux and 110 hours a week into 1k or w/e, just... who cares about that.
14:51	bounce	and I have no idea what google is up to now. so if you do site:example.com it'll substitute that as it sees fit? -- getting results out of them is getting fuzzier and fuzzier so that's no surprise, but it is annoying for those cases where I really want this exact search query and not the "properly spelled" one or whatever those US-based barbarians think I should've typed
14:53	dignork	mircea_popescu, so to exploit both bugs, on par with bitcointicker.co I
14:53	dignork	I'd register kjwhatver to make it accessible
14:53	bounce	plenty people care about winning small in the same way that wossname home traders want to feel like a trader much more than making money trading
14:55	artifexd	;;eauth artifexd
14:55	gribble	Request successful for user artifexd, hostmask artifexd!sid28611@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xbyydcjdlhnnvhej. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/11D1433947A3327A
14:55	artifexd	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:aca8c3b4fedadc86aa1bbfe5fe456d92d8526d3b3a40225231aafe17
14:55	gribble	You are now authenticated for user artifexd with key 11D1433947A3327A
14:56	artifexd	Yay!
14:56	benkay	!down artifexd
14:56	assbot	Insufficient rights, benkay.
14:56	benkay	!up artifexd
14:56	assbot	Voicing artifexd.
14:56	artifexd	!down benkay
14:56	assbot	Insufficient rights, artifexd.
14:56	benkay	!down artifexd
14:56	assbot	Insufficient rights, benkay.
14:56	benkay	boo
14:56	artifexd	Oooo! Test
14:56	artifexd	!up artifexd
14:56	assbot	Really, artifexd?
14:57	benkay	!up benkay
14:57	assbot	Really, benkay?
14:57	benkay	really, assbot.
14:57	artifexd	Hmm... no self-pwning possible anymore.
14:57	kakobrekla	benkay cant down artifexd cause he upped himself
14:57	benkay	yeah gotcha
14:57	kakobrekla	there is still one bug left :\
14:57	bounce	only one? oh my.
14:58	kakobrekla	ok , one that i currently intend to fix
14:58	artifexd	kakobrekla: What is that bug? For, you know, science.
14:58	Azelphur	what's the point of the whole +v for 30 minutes thing anyway?
14:59	benkay	fresh blood?
14:59	mircea_popescu	bounce sure, no argument.
14:59	artifexd	The point is to, eventually, increase the signal to noise ratio.
15:00	artifexd	For now though, hey! New toy!
15:00	mircea_popescu	problem is 100 hours at minimum wage + your upfront would make more than the "winning in a small way"
15:00	mircea_popescu	i guess incultured independence is a thing, even so.
15:00	cgcardona_	i figured forcing people to register w/ their pgp/gpg keys forces some sort of accountability for your actions/words in the room.
15:00	bounce	call it a hobby and it's win-win all the way
15:00	Azelphur	I just find it annoying xD
15:01	danielpbarron	i like it
15:01	kakobrekla	artifexd telling would spoil all the fun.
15:01	Azelphur	I haven't bothered to talk much here any more since having to auth up and stuff, especially with the freenode splits recently
15:01	benkay	;;echo !down gribble
15:01	gribble	!down gribble
15:01	Azelphur	lol
15:02	benkay	hue hue hue
15:02	kakobrekla	actually Azelphur , stats say you were relatively most active in last week
15:02	benkay	tbh kakobrekla i thought you'd fixed that one!
15:02	kakobrekla	http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com
15:02	kakobrekla	benkay that not a bug that just retards in the playground
15:02	kakobrekla	:D
15:03	Azelphur	yea, it's coincidence more than anything else, there's been a few times I've typed stuff in here, had it dropped because of +m and gone to speak elsewhere instead
15:03	Azelphur	I could understand accountability (no +v if you're not gribbled, or requirement of WoT ratings) but the messaging every 30 minutes is very bizarre.
15:04	kakobrekla	what?
15:04	kakobrekla	you !up yourself on pm
15:04	kakobrekla	you voice in nao permanent
15:05	kakobrekla	*for the duration of session
15:05	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00096536 = 19.1141 BTC [-] {2}
15:05	Azelphur	oh? I'm sure I remember it grumbling about 30 minutes or something, fair enough
15:05	artifexd	;;gettrust assbot Azelphur
15:05	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Azelphur: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Azelphur | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Azelphur | Rated since: Mon Apr 9 00:11:58 2012
15:05	kakobrekla	yeah you can up anyone here for 30 min
15:05	Azelphur	I see
15:05	kakobrekla	but you can up yourself if you have wot
15:06	kakobrekla	then it does not have a timer
15:06	kakobrekla	and if you up yourself, you can up others, not otherwise
15:06	Azelphur	fair enough then I suppose, not as bad as I thought, only thing that would be nice is having it automate the entire process :)
15:06	Anduck	yea
15:07	kakobrekla	write a script
15:07	kakobrekla	publish it
15:07	kakobrekla	take the fame and chicks.
15:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13150 @ 0.00096543 = 12.6954 BTC [+]
15:07	Anduck	i'll just irc elsewhere when i'm too lazy to do /msg assbot !up
15:07	kakobrekla	sounds like it does indeed work like it should.
15:08	Anduck	indeed.
15:08	starsoccer	;;bcauth starsoccer
15:08	gribble	Request successful for user starsoccer, hostmask starsoccer!~starsocce@207.12.89.33. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:42ade4b541beb1b9d5cd29f87d0869e645d30e8e914a85a2c3daa82a
15:08	Anduck	kakobrekla: then again, is that the purpose of this channel
15:08	ThickAsThieves	"A study in mice shows that trauma might be inherited through altered gene expression in sperm"
15:09	starsoccer	kk goived
15:09	starsoccer	kk voiced
15:09	kakobrekla	if you dont find it worth of typing !up, the content is not worthy of polluting this chan with
15:09	starsoccer	lol
15:12	ThickAsThieves	question for you guys, I have someone that never claimed their S.MG PT shares on Havelock
15:13	ThickAsThieves	now they want them
15:13	ThickAsThieves	I have them on MPEX
15:13	ThickAsThieves	but do not run the PT anymore
15:13	ThickAsThieves	should i tell them to CoinBr? or?
15:13	ThickAsThieves	offer to sell into bids for them?
15:14	ThickAsThieves	i guess i could xfer some to HL and get them to coordinate, but then, really it may be easier to just buu them on HL
15:14	ThickAsThieves	buy*
15:15	ThickAsThieves	oh lol, theyre way cheaper on HL
15:15	ThickAsThieves	nvm
15:16	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00096543 = 5.4547 BTC [+]
15:18	ThickAsThieves	wow HL is slow now huh
15:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SMG] 2003 @ 0.00008 = 0.1602 BTC [+]
15:25	ThickAsThieves	ALC has raised 48btc
15:25	mircea_popescu	!down artifexd
15:25	assbot	Insufficient rights, mircea_popescu.
15:25	mircea_popescu	blergh
15:25	artifexd	Ha!
15:25	Duffer1	only 11152 short of their goal
15:26	mircea_popescu	Azelphur you never USED to talk much here, like [\\\]
15:26	mircea_popescu	but since the new rules you HAVe been talking a lot
15:26	mircea_popescu	perhaps 10x past week as your prev 2 months
15:26	Duffer1	it's nice to see recent havelock scams falling flat on their faces
15:26	mircea_popescu	so it's a case of the newspaper memory hole imo
15:26	Azelphur	mircea_popescu: hehe, sort of coincidence really, but yea :)
15:28	Anduck	kakobrekla: too bad but that's a lie
15:28	Anduck	lol
15:28	kakobrekla	what is?
15:28	Anduck	just fancy sounding words
15:28	Anduck	what you said before your last line
15:29	kakobrekla	its not a lie if i honestly believe so!
15:34	ThickAsThieves	http://eater.com/archives/2014/04/11/app-offers-unlimited-coffee-at-independent-nyc-coffee-shops.php now they just need to accept bitcoin and the dream is real!
15:35	benkay	at a party last night someone said "all business transactions are fictitious" and apparently my reaction was amusing enough to justify staging a reenactment: http://imgur.com/SdbMdMf
15:36	mircea_popescu	benkay so apparently you hang out with peopple who believe whatevert they don't understand doesn't really exist
15:36	mircea_popescu	and then come up with fancy ways to dress that shit up
15:36	benkay	nobody was serious
15:36	mircea_popescu	also omfg you & your friends may be the hipsterest people i know
15:37	benkay	well you're old thats no real surprise
15:37	ThickAsThieves	didnt people at parties look like that 10 years ago too?
15:38	ThickAsThieves	is hipsterism basically dressing like it's laundry day?
15:38	benkay	glorifying being broke?
15:39	mircea_popescu	i think you may be on to something there.
15:39	mircea_popescu	both of you
15:39	bounce	"just look at me being a dork but I get away with it because I'm cooler than thou"
15:40	bounce	from what little I've seen the dress code is quite amazingly strict, though.
15:40	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
15:40	ThickAsThieves	and the reason i'm cooler is because i say so and i want to be
15:41	ThickAsThieves	and, and because i'm an annoying contrarian
15:41	ThickAsThieves	sum it up?
15:41	bounce	plenty places have their own distinct subcultures. japan seems to have fscktons of kinds of hipsters.
15:42	ThickAsThieves	wouldnt that make them something else?
15:43	ThickAsThieves	i thought hipsters were dudes with mustaches & suspenders, and girls in wool dresses
15:43	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves except check this shit out : "clearly this shit works but it's a coincidence because i don't think it should or see why it would"
15:43	bounce	could try and compare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipster_(1940s_subculture)
15:44	ThickAsThieves	i like those hipsters better
15:44	ThickAsThieves	potheads with style
15:44	ThickAsThieves	oh wait
15:44	ThickAsThieves	"sarcastic humor, self-imposed poverty and relaxed sexual codes."
15:44	ThickAsThieves	lol
15:45	bounce	``During the jive era of the late 1930s and early 1940s, African-Americans began to use the term hip to mean "sophisticated, fashionable and fully up-to-date"'' -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippie_(etymology)
15:45	mircea_popescu	that hipster sarcasm is the worst fucking cry for help i ever heard.
15:45	ThickAsThieves	"The words hep and hip are of uncertain origin"
15:45	ThickAsThieves	hepatitis?
15:45	mircea_popescu	it's like "please don't kick us out of here, we know we don't belong, can this count as a getoutof kicking ?"
15:45	ThickAsThieves	it's a disease and everyone wants it!
15:46	ThickAsThieves	be one of us
15:47	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3732 @ 0.00096536 = 3.6027 BTC [-]
15:47	*	bounce recalls some discussion about deep purple laughing about a bunch of others because they were so "out of tune with what was happening in londen at the time" -- due to having the wrong haircut
15:48	mircea_popescu	haircuts for men. definitely important.
15:48	bounce	it's the small things that mark you part of the pack
15:49	mircea_popescu	maybe that was neobee's problem
15:49	bounce	80s, rock, long hair. yeah, haircuts are important.
15:49	mircea_popescu	denny didn't have the right ceocut.
15:49	bounce	bit late to try and sell'im that advice for 54 bitcoin
15:50	bounce	s/80s/70s/ I suppose. n'mind.
15:50	thestringpuller	♐
15:50	thestringpuller	lol
15:51	mircea_popescu	hair metal ?
15:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0485 = 0.1455 BTC [-] {2}
15:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06278234 = 0.1256 BTC [-]
16:00	asciilifeform	<robwizz22> Just so you know, I am an individual like you - NOT with any organization. I am not in any way associated with the NSA or other organization. On the other hand, you seem to be following their M.O. and trying to weaken security. You are basically simply committing fraud. What you've designed to date is totally useless and 100 times less secure than not buying any such device at all (i.e. using o
16:00	asciilifeform	ff
16:00	asciilifeform	<robwizz22> the shelf usb storage to store a private key and pass phrase). You are lying about its benefits. You've come up with something absolutely and utterly useless. If it's a scam, good job. I like how you spread FUD about me trying to "introduce heartbleed" (which doesn't make any sense - the Cardano is a USB device) when I pointed this out. You obviously are smart enough to know that is a simple a
16:00	asciilifeform	nd
16:00	asciilifeform	<robwizz22> complete lie, meant to play on people's recognition of the word "heartbleed bug" without knowing what it is. There is no SSL anywhere within 100 miles of a Cardano, nor did I ever mention it. You seem to be playing off of your audience's ignorance. Is this really want you want to be doing with your life? Selling snake oil? Being a fraud?
16:00	asciilifeform	<asciilifeform> you started out suggesting wifi and ssl. in the channel. now buzz off.
16:01	Apocalyptic	more attack vectors, \o/
16:01	asciilifeform	does sunlight only work against vampires? what does one zap spammers with?
16:02	benkay	/ignore
16:02	asciilifeform	benkay: doesn't seem to work for priv msgs.
16:02	Apocalyptic	asciilifeform, it should
16:02	benkay	asciilifeform: which widget?
16:03	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform dude you're incredible. why do you keep posting that stuff ?!
16:03	bounce	/ignore you MSG would do it here.
16:03	Apocalyptic	in Xchat you have to specify a mask followed by ALL if you want to block everything
16:03	mircea_popescu	i mean the original author sorta managed to get himself excreted, for this reason. what is it, like self loathing ?
16:03	asciilifeform	ok seems like that worked.
16:04	benkay	asciilifeform dreams of trolling his 'real' purposes out of him.
16:04	bounce	http://toxin.jottit.com/xchat_ignore says PRIV NOTI
16:04	ozbot	toxin: XChat Ignore
16:04	asciilifeform	benkay: i've given up - the man's a broken record.
16:05	benkay	well it sounds as though he's progressed to calling /you/ a fraud. that's progress.
16:05	benkay	fraudgress
16:05	bounce	"this way to the egress"
16:05	benkay	wither the egrets though
16:06	bounce	and then they come back. regrets.
16:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
16:08	mircea_popescu	lol regrets
16:09	mircea_popescu	aw shit my monitor's going ;/
16:09	mircea_popescu	just turned blue
16:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.608 BTC [+]
16:09	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: wiggled the plug?
16:09	bounce	"es leuchtet blau" -- which for some reason is not nearly as funny in the original
16:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60889999 BTC [+]
16:11	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i hit it with my fist. it came back on
16:11	mircea_popescu	but you know...
16:12	asciilifeform	every nice crt i've ever owned, with or or two exceptions - eventually the raster goes
16:13	asciilifeform	usually horizontal
16:14	mircea_popescu	bounce this is the sort with the power inside
16:14	bounce	and a CRT to boot. you likes dem high voltage, no?
16:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58140023 BTC [-]
16:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19165 @ 0.00096423 = 18.4795 BTC [-]
16:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04808333 = 0.1442 BTC [-] {2}
16:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03549 = 0.142 BTC [+]
16:15	bounce	though shouldn't be too heavy on the SMD stuff. ie, reasonably repairable.
16:16	asciilifeform	bounce: so long as the tube is alive, yes.
16:16	asciilifeform	somewhere, there probably still lives a man who can re-wind a burned yoke.
16:16	benkay	so i don't like crypto + aristocrat > cryptocrat
16:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03548999 = 0.1065 BTC [-] {2}
16:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5940001 BTC [+]
16:16	asciilifeform	and you can get flybacks still.
16:17	bounce	or source a large stack of them for parts (and get money to take'em away)
16:17	benkay	cryptocracy?
16:17	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00096327 = 20.0842 BTC [-] {2}
16:17	asciilifeform	one day, a 'virginal' high quality crt will be a mega-luxury. like stradivarius.
16:18	bounce	buy up the factory for a song
16:18	benkay	mircea_popescu BingoBoingo bitcoinpete cryptocrats? cryptocracy?
16:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5874999 BTC [-]
16:19	BingoBoingo	benkay: Prolly to early for a label. Wait for some lulzy incedent to reveal the proper term.
16:19	benkay	buttcoiners i guess in the meantime
16:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03549 = 0.1065 BTC [+]
16:21	asciilifeform	anyone care to recommend an irc client with whitelisting feature?
16:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.595 BTC [+]
16:22	benkay	what do you mean by whitelisting, asciilifeform ?
16:23	asciilifeform	block all priv msgs. other than from whitelist
16:23	kakobrekla	benkay reverse blacklist :D
16:23	mircea_popescu	wayt what ?
16:24	benkay	do it yourself in erc?
16:25	fluffypony	benkay: didn't El Reg call mircea_popescu the Bitcoin Baron?
16:25	kakobrekla	a "biton"
16:25	fluffypony	heh
16:25	bounce	ircII can do that. /ignore * MSG /ignore whitelisted ^MSG
16:25	benkay	the term is "bitlord"
16:25	fluffypony	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/20/openbsd_bailed_out/
16:26	fluffypony	"Romanian Bitcoin baron 'stumps up $20k to keep OpenBSD's lights on'"
16:26	benkay	can't say as i have any intention of taking style cues from linkbait article titles.
16:26	kakobrekla	fluffypony are you like new or smth?
16:26	fluffypony	kakobrekla: yes
16:26	fluffypony	I'm smth
16:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.04979635 = 0.1992 BTC [+]
16:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.034111 = 0.1364 BTC [-]
16:40	benkay	what fraction of the runup to 1200 can we attribute to the bitlocker virus?
16:40	benkay	and is it not a thing any more?
16:42	kakobrekla	haxors got goxxed, back to prepaid cards.
16:44	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24403 @ 0.00096735 = 23.6062 BTC [+] {3}
16:45	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11097 @ 0.0009687 = 10.7497 BTC [+]
16:49	asciilifeform	is everyone who does anything even vaguely public bedeviled by spammers?
16:50	kakobrekla	more or less yea.
16:50	fluffypony	spammers and/or trolls
16:56	mircea_popescu	yes.
17:00	mircea_popescu	anyway, assbot's 29 could be teh bitcoin barons, i see no problem.
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17:00	mircea_popescu	we gotta start small, work our way up to dukery, not like some other douchebaggery, starting with dukes.
17:00	mircea_popescu	wink wink nudge nudge
17:01	mircea_popescu	benkay a fraction between 0 and epsilon.
17:01	BingoBoingo	lol, I was going to say something about it, but figured it would be more interesting to see when someone else brought up the Dukedoms
17:02	mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/AltcoinAce/status/455432343595925504
17:02	ozbot	Twitter / AltcoinAce: #CAI seeks to build 'first ...
17:02	mircea_popescu	check it out, another "first"
17:04	mircea_popescu	i suddenly had this vision of me being like, 75, and reading about this new, biggest, first bitcoin based exchange,
17:04	mircea_popescu	with options and shit.
17:09	mircea_popescu	;;rate justusranvier 1 New blood
17:09	gribble	Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
17:09	mircea_popescu	wait what!
17:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0651124 = 0.6511 BTC [+] {2}
17:09	mircea_popescu	;;rate justusranvier 1 New blood
17:09	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user justusranvier has been recorded.
17:10	mircea_popescu	;;later tell justusranvier to voice yourself in -assets you id with gribble then pm assbot !up
17:10	gribble	The operation succeeded.
17:12	mircea_popescu	.d
17:12	ozbot	6.120 billion | Next Diff in 674 blocks | Estimated Change: 10.3317% in 4d 4h 39m 26s
17:13	ThickAsThieves	Estimated Next Difficulty:7,131,644,633 (+16.54%)
17:13	ThickAsThieves	from https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty
17:14	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i was looking athte 9bn bet. seems a lock.
17:14	ThickAsThieves	it's getting tough to tell now
17:14	ThickAsThieves	at some point 15% is a shit ton of hash
17:15	mircea_popescu	yeah
17:15	mircea_popescu	that point being right abnout now lol.
17:16	mircea_popescu	http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ < is it me or is the day of april 12th pretty much giving us the finger ?
17:16	ozbot	#bitcoin-assets stats
17:16	ThickAsThieves	you just like seeing boners in in your ta
17:16	mircea_popescu	also possible.
17:24	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00096876 = 8.7673 BTC [+] {2}
17:25	mircea_popescu	;;rate kanzure New blood
17:25	gribble	Error: 'New' is not a valid integer.
17:25	mircea_popescu	;;rate kanzure 1 New blood
17:25	gribble	Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
17:25	mircea_popescu	derp.
17:25	mircea_popescu	kanzure srsly, get in teh wot.
17:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 32 @ 0.00691276 = 0.2212 BTC [-] {4}
17:28	mircea_popescu	;;rate tomservo 1 New blood
17:28	gribble	Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
17:28	mircea_popescu	!up garret
17:28	assbot	Voicing garret for 30 minutes.
17:29	mircea_popescu	;;later tell TomServo get in wot wouldja ?
17:29	gribble	The operation succeeded.
17:29	jurov	ThickAsThieves: if these S.MG peeps can auth with btc address, i can just add them to list at https://coinbr.com/btct/nampt_1
17:30	jurov	oh i should update prices/dividends
17:30	mircea_popescu	stop giving the frenchie so much voice, you'll wear it out.
17:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 20 @ 0.00710883 = 0.1422 BTC [+]
17:32	davout	the voice system sort of works like this https://xkcd.com/481/
17:33	mircea_popescu	lol
17:33	mircea_popescu	btw, you ever seen les veinards ?
17:33	davout	no
17:34	mircea_popescu	!up kanzure
17:34	assbot	Voicing kanzure for 30 minutes.
17:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.58001098 = 2.32 BTC [-] {3}
17:34	mircea_popescu	it's my favourite french comedy for today
17:34	mircea_popescu	!up AltcoinAce
17:34	assbot	Voicing AltcoinAce for 30 minutes.
17:34	mircea_popescu	;;topic
17:34	gribble	http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com
17:34	mircea_popescu	AltcoinAce this is the bitcoin assets channel. these are the people. up there are the logs. have fun!
17:34	AltcoinAce	interesting
17:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.57819097 = 6.3601 BTC [-] {10}
17:35	davout	i'll put it on my list
17:35	jurov	AltcoinAce you run some altcoin business?
17:35	AltcoinAce	Im just a trader
17:35	AltcoinAce	tis all
17:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.57500001 = 2.875 BTC [-] {2}
17:36	mircea_popescu	mostly for le vison. mireille d'arc / jacqueline monsigny
17:36	mircea_popescu	AltcoinAce what do you trade ?
17:36	AltcoinAce	currently focusing on alts and btc
17:36	AltcoinAce	Im working with some ppl
17:36	AltcoinAce	and learning before I move up to other stuff
17:37	AltcoinAce	will be trading forex soon
17:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 114 @ 0.0055646 = 0.6344 BTC [-] {8}
17:37	AltcoinAce	but crpyto is a good market to be in right now
17:37	mircea_popescu	sounds good.
17:37	AltcoinAce	everyday you can make 10-500% profit
17:37	AltcoinAce	doesnt happen in most markets haha
17:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1199 @ 0.00015 = 0.1799 BTC [-] {2}
17:40	mircea_popescu	!t h hif
17:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00013712 / 0.00014521 / 0.00019348 (3360 shares, 0.48789385 BTC), 7D: 0.00010000 / 0.00024261 / 0.00042000 (30193 shares, 7.32523363 BTC), 30D: 0.00010000 / 0.00032505 / 0.00051299 (74487 shares, 24.21198821 BTC)
17:43	mircea_popescu	;;rate novusordo 1 New blood
17:43	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user novusordo has been recorded.
17:43	mircea_popescu	;;later tell novusordo to voice yourself in assets you id with gribble then pm assbot !up
17:43	gribble	The operation succeeded.
17:45	kanzure	mircea_popescu: can you try rating me again pls
17:45	kanzure	ouch: 14:45 <assbot> You need a better WOT rating. (level 2 with assbot >0)
17:46	mircea_popescu	;;rate kanzure 1 New blood
17:46	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user kanzure has been recorded.
17:47	kanzure	exciting
17:47	jurov	;;rate kanzure 1 i have seen your github
17:47	gribble	Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
17:48	mircea_popescu	!down jurov
17:48	assbot	mircea_popescu, you can't do that to jurov.
17:48	mircea_popescu	awww!
17:48	jurov	lol
17:48	mircea_popescu	jurov is 4ever alone because assbot cockblocks
17:49	kanzure	what is the type of unit for the number i provide to the rate command?
17:49	jurov	;;rate kanzure 1 i have seen your github
17:49	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user kanzure has been recorded.
17:49	kanzure	eg why 1 instead of 0.1 ?
17:49	mircea_popescu	kanzure in [-10, 10]
17:49	jurov	;;rate kanzure 0.000001 i have seen your github
17:49	gribble	Error: '0.000001' is not a valid integer.
17:50	kanzure	gribble is a hater
17:50	mircea_popescu	he's just got his integrity.
17:50	jurov	you can't have fractional trust or distrust
17:50	kanzure	so i should read this as '10 trusts'?
17:50	mircea_popescu	first off, you don't need fractions, you could just as well increase the max for same effect
17:50	mircea_popescu	second off, 10 levels is plenty. how fine can your brain work ?
17:50	bounce	pfft. and there I was, wanting to rate 3.1415927. can't doo that. boo!
17:51	mircea_popescu	so round.
17:51	jurov	kanzure: you should read the comments, numbers are just numbers
17:51	mircea_popescu	a 3 is just as good as a pee to a blind bat
17:52	bounce	then we'll just have to stick to biblical notions of "round", no?
17:53	jurov	what's biblical notion of round?
17:53	mircea_popescu	http://37.media.tumblr.com/70aa104a77459cd6d4986f9008307a47/tumblr_mlpy1jO2hV1qcgltko1_500.jpg
17:54	jurov	oh that was the answer? mkay
17:54	bounce	1 kings 7 verse 23
17:55	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24050 @ 0.00096907 = 23.3061 BTC [+] {2}
17:58	mircea_popescu	"Amazing: @Chase just cancelled my debit card because a merchant may or may not have been hacked. They didn't call. Won't tell me who."
17:59	ThickAsThieves	thanks jurov, i'll keep it in mind, it's so few people/shares at this point that I doubt it'll happen much more
18:01	mircea_popescu	you know this completely blows me away. there's like... 2 assets on hl that didn't lose most of the investor's money, and the total investment in them was... bitcents ?
18:01	mircea_popescu	meanwhile all sorts of bizarre shit supposedly gets 100s of btc, if not k's.
18:01	mircea_popescu	it just dun compute this.
18:02	ThickAsThieves	as suspected in the past, they may be satsisfying an urge to gamble, not invest
18:02	mircea_popescu	!up Tiraspol
18:02	assbot	Voicing Tiraspol for 30 minutes.
18:02	Tiraspol	O_o
18:03	mircea_popescu	nice name :p
18:05	mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/455466740181655552 << stacy herbert :D
18:05	ozbot	Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: How's your Aurora scamcoin ...
18:06	kakobrekla	she was behind aurora?
18:06	mircea_popescu	she works for max keiser. they were pumping it together.
18:06	mircea_popescu	it's not clear if they actually owned it or just shill for pay, but after all what the hell's the difference.
18:08	kakobrekla	aha
18:10	ThickAsThieves	maxcoin is now below novacoin in market cap
18:10	ThickAsThieves	"market cap"
18:10	ThickAsThieves	AUR just below it
18:11	mircea_popescu	such success. much well done.
18:11	ThickAsThieves	meanwhile doge sitting at $27m
18:11	mircea_popescu	sure, just as long as the scammers pushing it own 99.99% of it all.
18:12	ThickAsThieves	Altcoin still not on the list
18:12	mircea_popescu	and should anyone sell and it drop another 50%, why, they'll just hardfork it again
18:12	asciilifeform	http://bindshell.nl/epixoip/cloudflare_key.png
18:12	asciilifeform	from:
18:12	asciilifeform	https://gist.github.com/silky/10577464
18:12	ozbot	cloudflare_challenge
18:13	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform tweeted it :D
18:13	asciilifeform	a bit stale news, sorry. but i think it notable.
18:14	mircea_popescu	i like teh pic.
18:15	asciilifeform	wonder if i'm the only one who automatically thought 'diversion' when the heartbleed crap came out.
18:16	mircea_popescu	moar like warning shot.
18:16	asciilifeform	as if there is such a thing as a kitchen with exactly one roach.
18:16	mircea_popescu	or you meant of cloudflare's reaction ?
18:16	asciilifeform	nah, of the 'bug' being made public, with catchy name & logo.
18:17	mircea_popescu	if you're going to humiliate, might as well humiliate in detail.
18:17	joecool	!up
18:17	assbot	Need a nickname, joecool.
18:17	mircea_popescu	!up urmom
18:17	assbot	Voicing urmom for 30 minutes.
18:19	asciilifeform	shadow führer decides that a certain pwnhole has outlived its useful life, decides to create a 'dangle' (i believe this is the english technical term for 'слив')
18:20	mircea_popescu	the problem with the shadow fuhrer is that he couldn't conceivably find a reason to be bothered with actual holes.
18:20	mircea_popescu	he'd be much happier in the realm of shadow-holes.
18:21	mod6	kakobrekla: do you run blockr.io?
18:21	asciilifeform	the purpose of 'hearbleed' et al isn't traffic intercept. (why intercept when you have root on the 'cloud' crapfarms?)
18:21	kakobrekla	mod6 no
18:21	mod6	ok
18:21	asciilifeform	it's to 'bake terrorists'
18:21	asciilifeform	create/modify arbitrary turds in mid-flight.
18:21	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform think strategically. 1. "you didn't know we knew, did you ? fail" vs 2. "you didn't know we knew, did you ? OR that a website was all ready to go. just how fucking inept are you, can't find a website, srsly ?"
18:21	mircea_popescu	2 is much better.
18:22	mircea_popescu	mod6 iirc kakobrekla knew the people running it
18:22	kakobrekla	knows
18:22	mircea_popescu	kako knoes
18:22	bounce	baking is terrism now?
18:22	asciilifeform	;;google new york death ray plot
18:22	gribble	Assassination threats against Barack Obama - Wikipedia, the free ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_threats_against_Barack_Obama>; Man Pleads Guilty in Plot to Build Mobile Death Ray | Global ...: <http://www.nti.org/gsn/article/man-pleads-guilty-plot-build-mobile-death-ray/>; New York men arrested for building death ray machine in plot to kill ...: (1 more message)
18:23	mircea_popescu	jhahahaha what
18:23	asciilifeform	classic product of the bakery.
18:23	mod6	ahh, im gonna write to them. my atc bot sends up http requests to get some json back so we can do things like: last_block, diff, etc. but from time to time, my host/ip seems to get tar-pitted. even for a low threshold.
18:23	mircea_popescu	"In 2013, two men from upstate New York were arrested after building a radioactive "death ray" device and plotting to use it against Muslims"
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18:23	mod6	Wonder if they would white-list me to a higher threshold for coins.
18:23	mircea_popescu	what the fuck is a radioactive death ray.
18:23	asciilifeform	s/building/buying from insistent fbi stoolies
18:23	mircea_popescu	is it like bottled pedophilia racism carbon ?
18:24	bounce	not some shrewd 20something with a datafeed brokerage yet?
18:24	bounce	and get paid by both sides, why not
18:24	asciilifeform	a gaggle of idiots was prodded, by american police, into paying to have a (physically wildly implausible) x-ray cannon 'built'
18:25	asciilifeform	and before that, a steady stream of morons who paid for (fake) 'sterela' units
18:25	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform is there any proof whatsoever this charade included anything other/different from the soviet wrecker "confessions" ?
18:25	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: not afaik.
18:25	bounce	the us "justice" system appears to be a, waht was it, chumpatron with press gangs
18:26	bounce	s/waht/what/
18:26	asciilifeform	*strela
18:26	mircea_popescu	bounce not yet. whole shebang build to make him possible since at least 2012, yet he's not here yet.
18:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00013181 = 0.1977 BTC [-] {7}
18:26	mircea_popescu	all sorts of fake-shrewd 20yo morons however, humping the "first best largest" delusion humptrain
18:27	mircea_popescu	from atop, it's kinda fascinating/shocking just how moronic people are.
18:27	asciilifeform	the 'a) wanna buy strela? b) fuck off c) really, dontcha? b) ok sure c) off to jail' thing has been going so long that it doesn't even make national news every time now.
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18:27	bounce	hm. maybe I should try and fake this 20something for a bit then.
18:27	mircea_popescu	da fuck is strela
18:27	asciilifeform	;;google strela rocket
18:27	gribble	Strela (rocket) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strela_(rocket)>; Strela 2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strela_2>; Russian Strela rocket launches Kondor satellite | NASASpaceFlight ...: <http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2013/06/strela-rocket-launch-kondor-e/>
18:27	mircea_popescu	uh why do they want a rocket ?
18:28	mircea_popescu	bounce easier for you to fake being 20 than for bona fide 20yos to fake having a brain
18:28	asciilifeform	devil only knows
18:28	asciilifeform	;;google strela manpad
18:28	gribble	Strela 2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strela_2>; Man-portable air-defense systems - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man-portable_air-defense_systems>; SA-7 GRAIL (9K32M Strela-2): <http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/sa-7.htm>
18:28	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform are they also going to launch it from their asshole, like fireworks ?
18:28	asciilifeform	that one.
18:28	bounce	oh lookit, a stealth compliment. still, looks like work. where's me overalls?
18:28	asciilifeform	not the fat rocket. the thin one.
18:28	mircea_popescu	even so
18:28	asciilifeform	comes with tube.
18:28	mircea_popescu	wasn't it a 3 month training course to be cleared with those ?
18:29	asciilifeform	analogous to american 'stinger'
18:29	mircea_popescu	not that analoguous
18:29	bounce	this one then? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strela_2
18:29	asciilifeform	that one.
18:29	bounce	strela 1: big fat rocket. strela 2: weight watchers "rocket"
18:30	mircea_popescu	widely exported, and perhaps the #1 cause of friendly fire casualties in "unorganised" conflcits
18:30	asciilifeform	yeah, ir sensor doesn't care who the tailpipe it flies into belongs to.
18:31	bounce	not the antitank thingy with the big head?
18:31	mircea_popescu	aren't these a bitch to properly discharge, have to handle the tube as itlaunches ?
18:31	mircea_popescu	bounce this is an surface-to-air thing
18:31	asciilifeform	if they sold faux 'stingers,' not even the dumbest 'candidate' would believe.
18:33	asciilifeform	re: 'wreckers' - correct. since the entire raison d'etre of the u.s. security apparatus is now 'terrorism' - well, the fireman, absent a fire, buys a box of matches.
18:34	asciilifeform	the reason to bring this crapfest up - u.s. 'intelligence' apparatus has a number of purposes quite apart, and difficult to confuse for, intelligence.
18:34	asciilifeform	(and 'sawing apart' the public purse isn't the only such)
18:35	mircea_popescu	i entirely fail to see how "combing upstate ny for hilbillies inept enough to imagine they can fire magic death upon random targets" is in any sense the business of intel.
18:36	mircea_popescu	more importantly, any intelligent people remaining have a lot of trouble continuing to do anything worthwhile in such an environment.
18:36	asciilifeform	it's the business of traditional goons, e.g. fbi. intel is 'classy.' rather create a sinner by injecting packets.
18:36	mircea_popescu	imagine a start-up where the entire office did nothing but play minigolf all day.
18:36	asciilifeform	not to plant evidence for any court, of course. for the consumption of... fellow 'intel' folks.
18:37	asciilifeform	start-up where the entire office did nothing but play minigolf << that's the sv norm, no?
18:37	mircea_popescu	these days i guess.
18:37	mircea_popescu	!up punkman
18:37	assbot	Voicing punkman for 30 minutes.
18:38	mircea_popescu	;;rate punkman 1 New blood
18:38	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user punkman has been recorded.
18:38	asciilifeform	'sheikh khalid goatfuckeiman encodes instructions for mujaheddeen in his sheep porn gifs.' - 'unfortunately, he doesn't. sometimes a sheep is only a sheep.' - 'let's see what we can do.'
18:39	asciilifeform	year later, drone strike, medals.
18:40	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla 137 : 92.
18:40	mircea_popescu	mwahahaha
18:40	asciilifeform	this is actually a very tame hypothesis. intel agencies traditionally plant dangles for their colleagues of other (not necessarily unfriendly) kingdoms. and, given the u.s. being a fractured empire, why not dangles for... their fellows.
18:41	mircea_popescu	that's for a long time been the lol of alltime.
18:41	mircea_popescu	there was a secret special dept in teh fsb dedicated to exactly this.
18:41	asciilifeform	sure was.
18:41	mircea_popescu	help state fight defense and so forth
18:41	asciilifeform	anyone remember the '20% of all gifs contain stego' newsbit?
18:41	asciilifeform	ages ago.
18:42	asciilifeform	can't say that i personally tested.
18:42	asciilifeform	but, if fact, the above would be a parsimonious explanation.
18:43	asciilifeform	ye read it here phurst (tm).
18:44	mircea_popescu	how would you test such a thing.
18:44	mircea_popescu	"20% of everything women says includes subtext"
18:44	mircea_popescu	well... gl ?
18:44	asciilifeform	almost by definition, you can only 'test' for piss-poor stego.
18:44	mircea_popescu	!up veeminer
18:44	assbot	Voicing veeminer for 30 minutes.
18:44	asciilifeform	simplest scheme - straight payload in low bits of colour channels.
18:44	mircea_popescu	!up ishauli
18:44	assbot	Voicing ishauli for 30 minutes.
18:44	asciilifeform	extract, test for known file headers
18:45	mircea_popescu	----BEGIN
18:45	mircea_popescu	etc
18:45	mircea_popescu	incidentally : gpg armored lends itself splendidly to stego : the payload byte is only a few bits
18:46	asciilifeform	stego that doesn't 'scream stego' is a whole art.
18:47	asciilifeform	the only purpose of 'encode obvious payload in low colour bits' is as a university class demo. and for planting.
18:48	asciilifeform	then again, the folks who (see mp's essay) reinvented caesar's cipher might well use it.
18:48	asciilifeform	or we shall be told that they do.
18:49	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3134 @ 0.00096745 = 3.032 BTC [-]
18:58	asciilifeform	http://www.woodmann.com/fravia/stego.htm
18:58	asciilifeform	(good intro to subject)
18:58	bounce	for some reason I can never actually read much of fravia.
18:58	asciilifeform	(don't bother writing to herr fravia re: stego or his famous cracking tutorials. he's dead.)
18:59	kakobrekla	mircea_popescu 92 ??
18:59	kakobrekla	you mean 123
19:00	kakobrekla	if i was a whore id be at 200+
19:03	kakobrekla	now im just an idiot.
19:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00074988 = 0.15 BTC [-]
19:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 306 @ 0.00074988 = 0.2295 BTC [-] {2}
19:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.00078 = 0.195 BTC [+] {2}
19:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00096537 = 21.2381 BTC [-]
19:17	mircea_popescu	lol
19:19	mircea_popescu	i was on the sent tab for some reason
19:27	jurov	http://hugelolcdn.com/i/264763.gif
19:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16756 @ 0.00096326 = 16.1404 BTC [-] {3}
19:38	mircea_popescu	!up Visitor_
19:38	assbot	Voicing Visitor_ for 30 minutes.
19:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6694 @ 0.00096109 = 6.4335 BTC [-]
19:47	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00096745 = 23.7993 BTC [+]
19:51	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20680 @ 0.00096916 = 20.0422 BTC [+] {2}
19:51	mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/677/bitcoin-network-difficulty-14bn-on-bastille-day/
19:51	ozbot	BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day
19:51	mircea_popescu	2 months away is like... 4-5 periods
19:51	mircea_popescu	.d
19:51	ozbot	6.120 billion | Next Diff in 663 blocks | Estimated Change: 9.7849% in 4d 3h 38m 22s
19:52	Apocalyptic	dat diff
19:52	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10904 @ 0.00096987 = 10.5755 BTC [+]
19:52	mircea_popescu	;;calc 14/6.12
19:52	gribble	2.28758169935
19:52	mircea_popescu	;;calc 1.23**4
19:52	gribble	2.28886641
19:52	mircea_popescu	basically needs 23% each time. this ain't happening.
19:54	cgcardona_	the difficulty is freaking exploding.
19:54	cgcardona_	no connection to the price. all based on speculation of the future value of a coin right?
19:55	mircea_popescu	Resolution: in 3 months 2 days. that's more like 6 periods actually.
19:55	kakobrekla	cgcardona_ no, all based on preorders
19:55	cgcardona_	kakobrekla: ah, good point
19:55	mircea_popescu	cgcardona_ not really. the relatively high pricing of the usd is based on (baseless) speculation of its future value.
19:56	mircea_popescu	;;calc 1.194**6
19:56	gribble	2.89751678698
19:56	mircea_popescu	still 19% seems a push.
19:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00096578 = 2.1247 BTC [-]
19:58	mircea_popescu	!up JorgePasada
19:58	assbot	Voicing JorgePasada for 30 minutes.
19:58	JorgePasada	Heyo :-)
19:58	JorgePasada	Thanks for the voice
19:59	mircea_popescu	sure.
19:59	cgcardona_	this is the only room i've been in where voice actually means something.
19:59	cgcardona_	usually its the "i'm kinda in the club" flag
20:00	cgcardona_	imo
20:00	mircea_popescu	interesting
20:00	JorgePasada	:-)
20:00	mircea_popescu	kinda the same here no ?
20:00	mircea_popescu	JorgePasada i guess now you gotta bug benkay to rate you
20:00	JorgePasada	That reminds me, we should have a euro version of the ATM prototyped within 3 weeks
20:00	JorgePasada	bill acceptor is different so we need a diff case
20:00	cgcardona_	the way I view it here is (per trilema) this is a room for professionals. we tie our identity to our gpg keys so there's accountability. Granted I've only been in the room a week so what do I know?
20:01	mircea_popescu	eh what the hey.
20:01	mircea_popescu	;;rate JorgePasada 1 New blood.
20:01	gribble	Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
20:01	mircea_popescu	tsk. get in the wot will you.
20:01	cgcardona_	my point exactly ^
20:01	mircea_popescu	cgcardona_ but technically it's like... "i'm in the club", as in, "i am a barber"
20:01	mircea_popescu	or w/e, "a barrister"
20:02	cgcardona_	as in 'this room isn't a room where anyone can talk about shoes. it's a room where shoe makers can talk about anything.' ?
20:02	kakobrekla	just dont mention purses.
20:02	cgcardona_	ha
20:02	cgcardona_	#purses-assets
20:02	mircea_popescu	lol
20:03	mircea_popescu	the bitcoin pourse ?
20:03	mircea_popescu	no wait. the pitcoin pourse
20:06	artifexd	<mircea_popescu> kakobrekla 137 : 92 << What's that about?
20:06	kakobrekla	AND ITS NOT 92
20:06	kakobrekla	dammit.
20:07	artifexd	Ok. Still... what is it about?
20:08	kakobrekla	im not telling until the result of the equation is less than 1
20:11	artifexd	Ah. WOT rating total. Current would be 137:123
20:12	kakobrekla	:D
20:13	artifexd	;;rate kakobrekla 1 Runs assbot
20:13	gribble	Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
20:13	artifexd	;;rate kakobrekla 1 Runs assbot
20:13	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user kakobrekla has been recorded.
20:14	artifexd	137:124
20:14	kakobrekla	awww, ty. 13 to go.
20:14	kakobrekla	lemme grab two socks real quick.
20:17	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00096987 = 6.4011 BTC [+]
20:30	mircea_popescu	artifexd we've had this thing going for ... 2 years now ?
20:30	mircea_popescu	and moar like 139:124. mwahahaha
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20:47	asciilifeform	from the freakshow:
20:47	asciilifeform	http://arno1251.livejournal.com/301421.html
20:48	asciilifeform	(in all major languages!)
20:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.06281638 = 1.0051 BTC [-] {5}
20:54	BingoBoingo	Update on the Emperor's Clothing racket http://oglaf.com/sextiles/
20:59	thestringpuller	;;seen mod6
20:59	gribble	mod6 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 36 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <mod6> Wonder if they would white-list me to a higher threshold for coins.
21:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5752001 BTC [+]
21:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 15884 @ 0.00011316 = 1.7974 BTC [-] {41}
21:04	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6548 @ 0.00096578 = 6.3239 BTC [-]
21:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4116 @ 0.00012309 = 0.5066 BTC [+] {4}
21:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1468 @ 0.00012251 = 0.1798 BTC [-] {2}
21:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 43 @ 0.05026895 = 2.1616 BTC [+] {7}
21:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.035 = 0.21 BTC [+]
21:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3532 @ 0.0001138 = 0.4019 BTC [-] {3}
21:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.05071427 = 0.355 BTC [+] {4}
21:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.05158326 = 0.3095 BTC [+] {4}
21:09	thestringpuller	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/22t5se/bitcoin_as_a_store_of_value_for_exactly_one_year/
21:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00096047 = 9.5087 BTC [-] {2}
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21:45	cgcardona_	This chart blew my mind http://imgur.com/78Rz5KL
21:45	cgcardona_	the network effect of finance
21:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.57999993 = 1.74 BTC [+] {2}
22:06	kakobrekla	http://i.imgur.com/zprtjRx.jpg
22:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5910001 BTC [+]
22:11	TestingUnoDosTre	^isn't that a joke
22:12	TestingUnoDosTre	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeYau6jH1eE this guy can make a living doing terrorist jokes, but when a little white girl does something retarded like sending a tweet claiming to be some foreigner the FBI gets involved
22:12	ozbot	Jeff Dunham-Achmed The Dead Terroist - YouTube
22:13	kakobrekla	nah fuck the fbi, its her reaction.
22:15	mircea_popescu	cgcardona_ seems more like a fitted graph than anything. where did they get the n ?
22:16	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla lol
22:16	cgcardona_	not sure where they got the data honestly. need to research deeper.
22:16	cgcardona_	the first time I saw it I thought it was fake because it fit so well.
22:17	cgcardona_	i'll see if I can dig up the reddit thread
22:17	TestingUnoDosTre	Actually, she is a huge Bieber fan, lock her in solitary and the world will be a better place
22:18	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/455530340682330112 :D
22:18	cgcardona_	i think it's funny how you can see the large dip in the green line which is the green line. I'm wondering if that is just bad data or there really were just that many fewer addresses used those days
22:18	cgcardona_	*green line which is the green line* <----huh?
22:18	cgcardona_	*which is the unique addresses used per day
22:19	kakobrekla	i dunno mp just dont take my ip, i got just this one.
22:19	mircea_popescu	cgcardona_ actually they're using every trick in the book. most any two natural curves will look "fitted" in a log 10 graph
22:20	mircea_popescu	i would say upon examination this is exactly typical of the reddit mental process. very circular, very brandy futility.
22:21	thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/#footnote_0_53902 << i'll send you cookies :P lol
22:21	mircea_popescu	lol
22:22	cgcardona_	yes I'm glad I found this room MP. the bitcoin forum is the bottom of the barrel and reddit is mostly memes and flamewars as well. (though don't ge me wrong. I enjoy a good meme and/or flamewar)
22:22	cgcardona_	*don't get me wrong
22:22	mircea_popescu	me either, but neither are science.
22:23	mircea_popescu	just for your own education, take two random things, such i dunno... sin(x) and cos(x) then draw them on a log graph. see how splendidly they fit
22:23	cgcardona_	it's funny how IRC is **still** the best social network (forgive the term)
22:23	cgcardona_	it's been the best place for me to interact in real time for years
22:23	mircea_popescu	and i mean if those two fit... then there's no fucking hope anymore.
22:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.0178997 = 0.1253 BTC [+] {2}
22:25	mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTre true story : i was in the bank the other day, and they had these timberlake concert fliers. i picked one up and told my pa "doesn't this guy look just like a waiter ?". he did, dressed all up for the job, too.
22:25	mircea_popescu	the bank clerk was all excited "oh, you're going ? i'm going too!"
22:25	thestringpuller	22:23 <+cgcardona_> it's funny how IRC is **still** the best social network (forgive the term)i miss BBS; it got phased out when I was just a little one
22:25	TestingUnoDosTre	hahaha
22:25	cgcardona_	was hitting some bbs from telnet recently. it was a trip
22:25	cgcardona_	the ascii art is off the hook
22:26	mircea_popescu	thestringpuller fucking phones tho. it took forever.
22:26	cgcardona_	there's still quite a few boards out there.
22:26	mircea_popescu	im impatient
22:26	TestingUnoDosTre	MP, what was that cloudflare twit about?
22:26	joecool	probably the private key extraction challenge
22:27	mircea_popescu	http://media.ticketmaster.com/dbimages/142121a.jpg
22:27	TestingUnoDosTre	why were you talking about govt sponsored antisec stuff
22:27	mircea_popescu	this shit. doesn't he look just like the maitre d' ?
22:27	mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTre because it is my considered opinion that that's what cloudflare is.
22:27	cgcardona_	classic.
22:27	TestingUnoDosTre	oooo gotcha
22:27	joecool	should get his number, call to make a reservation
22:27	mircea_popescu	by now they're on tap as a "free trial" on every budged webhoster out there. gimme a break.
22:27	cgcardona_	now I'm picturing sean parker as the maitre d'.
22:28	mircea_popescu	loose tie'd never work
22:32	mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/803/bitpay-will-succeed-before-q2-2015/#c2773 this shit's pretty fucking instructive.
22:32	ozbot	BitBet - BitPay will succeed before Q2 2015
22:32	mircea_popescu	look art that list. not a single fucking "company" in there does anything.
22:32	mircea_popescu	and these are the "successes".
22:32	mircea_popescu	Xobni ?!
22:33	mircea_popescu	280 North ?!
22:33	mircea_popescu	i mean holy shit.
22:34	mircea_popescu	Mailgun. "Mailgun is a set of powerful APIs that allow you to send, receive and track email effortlessly."
22:34	cgcardona_	omgpop
22:34	cgcardona_	what about heroku?
22:34	cgcardona_	they're pretty cool IMO.
22:35	mircea_popescu	i guess, but let alone cool, let's talk money.
22:35	mircea_popescu	would you pay $100 for anything they do ?
22:35	cgcardona_	sure. they sold for over $200 mil to salesforce
22:35	cgcardona_	i pay them about $40 a month
22:35	cgcardona_	so yea
22:35	mircea_popescu	you do ?
22:36	cgcardona_	i have projects on heroku yea. i'm a rails dev for part of my job
22:36	mircea_popescu	i guess i'm just hopelessly antiquated
22:36	cgcardona_	for the ssl endpoints I pay
22:36	cgcardona_	haha
22:36	cgcardona_	says the bitlord
22:36	*	cgcardona_ bows
22:36	cgcardona_	i doubt your antiquated
22:36	mircea_popescu	rails is like... o god. i think only php is moar hated than rails here
22:36	cgcardona_	haha
22:36	*	cgcardona_ ducks
22:36	mircea_popescu	lemme see maybe i have a link
22:38	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2013#426056
22:38	ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log
22:38	cgcardona_	ouch
22:39	joecool	ruby on rails, it's the hipster way™
22:39	mircea_popescu	well we had bad experiences. in bitcoin i mean. there was that atrocious hole last year, pretty much put bitcoin-central on its ass.
22:40	mircea_popescu	then there's vircurex, tho that's probably a case of pebkac
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22:40	mircea_popescu	but w/e, heroku, has a paas platform people use.
22:40	mircea_popescu	how about all the other 60 shits in that list!
22:40	TestingUnoDosTre	I'm thinking of making a bet along the lines of "bitstamp will issue a news statement that they are freezing bitcoin withdraws in the next 3 months." Thoughts, comments?
22:41	mircea_popescu	Gantto. Gantto is a web based planning application. Users can collaborate in real-time to create and edit Gantt charts.
22:41	mircea_popescu	really ?
22:41	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7109 @ 0.00095977 = 6.823 BTC [-]
22:41	cgcardona_	lol. fucking classic
22:41	mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTre um... a la mtgox ?
22:41	cgcardona_	"it's a social network of Gantt charts!" "fund em"
22:41	mircea_popescu	this reminds me of costanza's investment.
22:41	cgcardona_	and paul graham retired so the new dude can scale it 10X
22:42	cgcardona_	think of the good times ahead
22:42	mircea_popescu	http://www.seinology.com/scripts/script-05.shtml
22:42	ozbot	Seinology.com :: Scripts :: 05-The Stock Tip
22:42	mircea_popescu	GEORGE: It’s called Sendrax. They’ve got some new kind of technique for televising opera.
22:42	mircea_popescu	ELAINE: Televising opera?
22:42	mircea_popescu	GEORGE: Some sort of electronic thingy.
22:42	joecool	hmm whatever happened to tradehill
22:42	TestingUnoDosTre	Not necessarily exactly mt gox style, but that would be included. Something like this would be included as well https://www.bitstamp.net/article/update-regarding-openssl-vulnerability/
22:42	mircea_popescu	joecool kenna tried to relaunch, the girl told him where to stick it, he wasn't heard from since ?
22:43	mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTre idjits srsly. 2fa would have done exactly nothing./
22:44	TestingUnoDosTre	Wait, why is that?
22:44	mircea_popescu	Cardpool. "Cardpool makes it ridiculously easy to buy and sell pre-owned gift cards. Customers can buy gift cards for up to 35% off or sell unwanted gift cards for cash ."
22:44	joecool	i assumed they gave up running an exchange and were focusing on trying to sell a plaform to someone else
22:44	mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTre because the server bleeds memory, in principle you can decrypt their 2fa challenge as well as anything else.
22:45	mircea_popescu	joecool i heard the same thing but notrly substantiated.
22:45	TestingUnoDosTre	ahhhh
22:45	mircea_popescu	The Fridge. "The Fridge is a platform for lightweight single serving social networks for the functionality of Facebook without being on Facebook."
22:45	cgcardona_	MP - this is the new dude who took over ycombinator and his new request for submissions post http://blog.samaltman.com/new-rfs-breakthrough-technologies
22:46	mircea_popescu	i reiterate. the above was... a success ?
22:46	cgcardona_	hopefully the quality of YC companies will improve
22:46	mircea_popescu	cgcardona_ it can not.
22:46	cgcardona_	perma-broke?
22:46	thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: "Deliberately and quite maliciously tried to meld the BleedingHeart openssl vulnerability into the Bitcoin code." << you're referring to the 2FA they wanted to put in awhile back?
22:46	cgcardona_	borked
22:47	mircea_popescu	cgcardona_ things degrade naturally, the same vicious circle as exhibited by used car markets that lemon laws try to fix : any seller with above-average value is disincentivised from participating.
22:48	mircea_popescu	thestringpuller no. to the pki they tried toi get in "for verifying merchant's addresses" in spite of... everyone's objections.
22:48	mircea_popescu	Munch On Me. "Munch On Me is a food discovery portal that connects people with great food at great prices in local communities."
22:49	mircea_popescu	dude fucking hell. if it were, call girl services, so you can eat your powerlunch on a naked arts major, it'd have made more sense.
22:49	mircea_popescu	VoiceGem. "Voicegem is the easiest way to send a voice message to anyone."
22:49	mircea_popescu	apparently... phones are an app now.
22:50	mircea_popescu	SocialCam. "Socialcam is the easiest way to share video with your friends and on social networks."
22:50	mircea_popescu	like you know... all the functionality of being on chatroulette without being on chatroulette.
22:50	mircea_popescu	or in other words... penis.
22:50	cgcardona_	": dude fucking hell. if it were, call girl services, so you can eat your powerlunch on a naked arts major, it'd have made more sense." <-- epic
22:50	cgcardona_	that's a kickstarter I'd fund ^
22:51	artifexd	For science, here is cos(x) graphed against sin(x) on a log10 scale: http://i.imgur.com/IFbIx3C.png
22:51	mircea_popescu	"munch on me, munch off me, either way lunch is on me!"
22:51	cgcardona_	yea when YC last year offered to fund people w/ no ideas the shark was officially jumped
22:51	mircea_popescu	there, we have a logo
22:51	cgcardona_	haha nice
22:51	artifexd	I guess if you shift it, it could fit.
22:52	cgcardona_	;;rate artifexd 1 for science
22:52	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user artifexd has been recorded.
22:52	cgcardona_	nice work artifexd
22:52	mircea_popescu	artifexd i guess my worst fucking example ever.
22:52	artifexd	For further science and verification of mircea_popescu theory, here is tan(x) graphed against sin(x): http://i.imgur.com/oplWqjI.png
22:53	artifexd	Verification of mircea_popescu theory failed.
22:53	cgcardona_	looks like thighs and a stomach leaning forward
22:53	TestingUnoDosTre	is that the logo for Munch on me?
22:53	cgcardona_	hahaha
22:53	cgcardona_	*ties it together*
22:55	artifexd	Random formulas aside, I do understand your point that any growing trend can be fitted to match any other growing trend if you futz with the scales enough.
22:55	mircea_popescu	artifexd http://graphsketch.com/?eqn1_color=1&eqn1_eqn=sin(x)%2Flog(x)&eqn2_color=2&eqn2_eqn=cos(x)%2Flog(x)&eqn3_color=3&eqn3_eqn=&eqn4_color=4&eqn4_eqn=&eqn5_color=5&eqn5_eqn=&eqn6_color=6&eqn6_eqn=&x_min=-17&x_max=17&y_min=-10.5&y_max=10.5&x_tick=1&y_tick=1&x_label_freq=5&y_label_freq=5&do_grid=0&do_grid=1&bold_labeled_lines=0&bold_labeled_lines=1&line_width=4&image_w=850&image_h=525
22:55	mircea_popescu	shit
22:56	mircea_popescu	that's what i fucking had in mind. im entirely unsure why i thought /log(x) is a homomorphism of a log scale, but anywa
22:56	cgcardona_	data porn is the best. imagine all the poor saps throughout history who had to make critical decisions in the moment and didn't have mounds of data porn to pour over.
22:57	mircea_popescu	cgcardona_ their job was easier, as they prolly hadn't invented the adversarial system either, so they could actually reach some sort of a decision.
22:57	artifexd	graphsketch.com << That's going into my bookmark list. I resorted to some silly site where I had to take screenshots and upload them to imgur.
22:57	mircea_popescu	mp. even when he's wrong, you learn shit.
22:58	mircea_popescu	that's gonna be my slogan for a while.
22:58	cgcardona_	mp. talks in 3rd person
22:58	cgcardona_	thats a good slogan too
22:58	artifexd	;;rate mircea_popescu 1 Teaches me shit even when he's wrong
22:58	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded.
22:59	mircea_popescu	artifexd I do understand your point that << that's only half the point. this much is valid, but!
22:59	mircea_popescu	it takes a minimally trained eye to notice gross unfitness in a log graph.
23:00	mircea_popescu	because what appears "close" is way the fuck out over there. as in the original graph, midway. the thing's all over the place.
23:00	artifexd	Would the other half be that numbers can be molested to demonstrate whatever whack theory the molester wants to demonstrate?
23:01	mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/78Rz5KL.gif << look from 700 to say 900
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23:01	mircea_popescu	if those two fit you're basically saying that anally inserting a pea and a horse's head is roughly similar.
23:01	mircea_popescu	roughly it may be, but similar not.
23:02	cgcardona_	i see your point. on a log scale
23:02	mircea_popescu	on a log scale any two things are within an inch of each other.
23:02	dub	this is lame
23:03	mircea_popescu	hey dubsy!
23:03	dub	ahoy
23:03	mircea_popescu	cgcardona_ i mean for curiosity's sake, re-do the same graph but not in log(10). in log(1024) instead. fucking flatlines.
23:03	mircea_popescu	dub so what's so lame about it ?
23:04	dub	lets make a shorter list, whats not lame about it
23:04	mircea_popescu	TextPayMe. "Founded in 2005, TextPayMe is an SMS payment service that lets you send money to other people using cell phone."
23:04	cgcardona_	sounds like it could be huge
23:04	cgcardona_	these kids today and their "cell phones"
23:04	cgcardona_	*fund em*
23:04	mircea_popescu	dub trick question.
23:05	mircea_popescu	Parakey. "Parakey was founded in early 2006 by Blake Ross and Joe Hewitt of Mozilla/ Firefox fame. Little has been revealed about."
23:06	mircea_popescu	"a company for carrying out an undertaking of great advantage, but nobody to know what it is"
23:07	mircea_popescu	Whereoscope. Whereoscope is a service designed to help parents keep know where their kids are.
23:07	mircea_popescu	actual crunchbase profile. fucking written by $.75 an hour indians that thing.
23:08	artifexd	;;rate mircea_popescu 2 Teaches me shit
23:08	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mircea_popescu has changed from 1 to 2.
23:09	mircea_popescu	!up zoinky
23:09	assbot	Voicing zoinky for 30 minutes.
23:10	mircea_popescu	Divvyshot. "Divvyshot allows groups of friends to share their photos easily, at their full resolutions. It was a Y Combinator participant."
23:11	mircea_popescu	kiko. Kiko is a web calendar for anyone who wants to keep and share a calendar online. Kiko excels at three main things:
23:11	mircea_popescu	surprise, fear and a fanatical devotion to the pope.
23:12	mircea_popescu	SocialPicks. "SocialPicks provides individual investors with a trusted online investing community where they can invest smarter together."
23:12	mircea_popescu	o look, someone ipo'd bitcointalk/securities.
23:12	TestingUnoDosTre	;;rate mircea_popescu knows where to find inexpensive indian writers
23:12	gribble	Error: 'knows' is not a valid integer.
23:12	mircea_popescu	sold out for 8mn
23:12	TestingUnoDosTre	;;rate mircea_popescu 1 knows where to find inexpensive indian writers
23:13	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded.
23:13	mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTre actually i think jurov does
23:13	TestingUnoDosTre	seriously?
23:13	mircea_popescu	prolly.
23:13	artifexd	It's a veritable rate-fest in here.
23:13	TestingUnoDosTre	I'm looking to start a blog on climate science
23:13	mircea_popescu	good niche.
23:13	mircea_popescu	huge shortage of words on that topic
23:13	mircea_popescu	</sarcasm
23:14	TestingUnoDosTre	I was joking as well
23:16	mircea_popescu	Finally, its worth noting that Y Combinator has funded a total of 564 companies. More than 150 of those companies are less than 18 months old. Therefore, 80% of the companies are older than 18 months and have not been acquired.
23:16	mircea_popescu	anyway. epic article, all the lulz one could want for an evening.
23:17	TestingUnoDosTre	all of them!
23:19	cgcardona_	YC = £u£$
23:19	cgcardona_	they do it for the lulz ^
23:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.587 BTC [-]
23:21	mircea_popescu	;;ticker
23:21	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 410.62, Best ask: 412.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.38000, Last trade: 412.0, 24 hour volume: 12445.68945649, 24 hour low: 397.16, 24 hour high: 427.75, 24 hour vwap: 410.365466491
23:21	mircea_popescu	;;calc 182,759.50 / 410.365466491
23:21	gribble	Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
23:21	mircea_popescu	;;calc 182759.50 / 410.365466491
23:21	gribble	445.357894178
23:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0645 = 0.645 BTC [+]
23:21	mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/ < berkshire is like 30% ahead and yet... nobody bets.
23:22	ozbot	BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment
23:23	cgcardona_	I like this one. http://bitbet.us/bet/798/bitcoin-to-drop-under-400-before-june/#b62 - looks like someone came in right before it broke 400 and make some coin
23:23	TestingUnoDosTre	It wasn't RIGHT before
23:23	cgcardona_	*made some coin
23:23	cgcardona_	i haven't checked the charts. how long before was it?
23:23	TestingUnoDosTre	there was a 10k buy wall around when s/he made that bet
23:24	TestingUnoDosTre	My bet, the refund, was quite very near the change
23:24	mircea_popescu	so like 10 hours early.
23:24	TestingUnoDosTre	yep
23:25	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointa.lk/threads/list-of-victims-of-their-own-success.102679/
23:25	ozbot	List of Victims of Their Own Success | Bitcointa.lk
23:25	mircea_popescu	ahaha. ty bitcoin-assets wiki, i had forgotten this one
23:26	mircea_popescu	(for new people : mtgox failed miserably a year ago, this time. their lag was routinely in the half hour range. it's all in the logs. their response ? "we are a victim of our own success!!1"
23:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.596 BTC [+]
23:29	TestingUnoDosTre	this under 300 bet is very intruiging
23:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0645 = 0.9675 BTC [+]
23:31	TestingUnoDosTre	also been quite surprised about the amoung of gigahashes that have been dropped on the network in the last day or so
23:32	mircea_popescu	But in either case, the race is on : the governments are mining, boys and girls. (The good news, of course, is that they’ve started about at the same time, which means we have cleared the ONLY roadblock Bitcoin ever seriously had in its path. We’re done here, we’ve won.)
23:32	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/things-that-matter-these-days-things-that-dont-matter-these-days/
23:32	ozbot	Things that matter these days ; things that don’t matter these days. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mirce
23:33	mod6	heh, its up almost 10TH/s
23:34	mod6	*10k
23:34	artifexd	How do you know that governments are mining, much less which governments and to what degree?
23:36	mircea_popescu	apparently i got my own nsa
23:37	TestingUnoDosTre	lol
23:37	TestingUnoDosTre	should I be laughing or not?
23:37	mircea_popescu	anyway. the bed's just filed extradition papers so ima have to bid you a very good laters!
23:38	mod6	night
23:38	artifexd	If it is an educated guess, that's cool. What I'm asking is whether you have any independently verifiable proof that governments are mining? (Like, verifiable by someone like, you know, me)
23:39	benkay	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2014&bots=true#623312 << then there's cavirtex which is django, a scam, and has shipped precisely zero since their original thinger.
23:39	ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log
23:43	benkay	artifexd: ain't nobody sharing information like that for free.
23:46	benkay	sam altman running y combinator
23:46	benkay	graham tire of the derp circus?
23:46	artifexd	Without inside knowledge, how could you verify it? The only information that actually links to the miner is the coinbase script and I haven't seen any scripts with "Mined by US GSA" in them.
23:47	asciilifeform	gotta love how he suggests 'cheap energy!11!' as a yc startup idea.
23:48	asciilifeform	yes, the fellow who builds the mythical magic reactor surely needs $15k of 'invest' and a spell in trendoid bootcamp.
23:50	benkay	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2014&bots=true#623392 << give it five years, plot a line on the log scale and see how beautifully it fits
23:50	ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log
23:50	asciilifeform	see mp's essay re: how dog sees every other creature as a type of dog
23:51	benkay	artifexd: another point on this topic is that intelligence is completely unverifiable. your source may be compromised, your source may be lying, all sorts of things may be true.
23:51	benkay	a not entirely thing to say about mircea_popescu's sources is that there's a nonzero chance they're trained ninjas who've infiltrated both the us and sino mining operations
23:51	asciilifeform	benkay: the science of how to verify intelligence is not a secret.
23:51	benkay	not entirely crazy
23:51	asciilifeform	plenty has been written on the subject, since at least machiavelli
23:52	benkay	if its your spy im sure you can make some guesses
23:52	artifexd	Sure. But there's nothing other than "Because I said so".
23:52	benkay	but if it's my spy, and you want to know how good the report is
23:52	artifexd	Unless his "I got my own nsa" statement was not a joke and was actually a comment on his research team.
23:53	asciilifeform	any serious commercial organization has an intelligence arm
23:53	asciilifeform	again, not a secret, in itself.
23:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5525 @ 0.00096005 = 5.3043 BTC [+]
23:56	benkay	so an entity with an intelligence arm claims a thing is true and says 'get stuffed' when you ask 'but how ams u knooooow?'. how as a prole in -assets are you going to ever verify something the entity spent an unknown amount of money discovering?
23:57	benkay	artifexd: i think the joke is that the nsa would love to have access to mp's intel.
23:57	asciilifeform	benkay: in such a case, you must either take the advice or leave it
23:57	benkay	not that i'd know. derpy kid as myself.
23:58	benkay	asciilifeform: points about verification aside, that'd be the point i'm trying to pound into artifexd
23:58	asciilifeform	let's say you live in a place where earthquakes are a regular thing
23:58	asciilifeform	you may or may not know the gory details of how a seismologist does his work
23:58	asciilifeform	but if the fellow warned you in time once, twice...
23:59	benkay	i'm with you 100%

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