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00:21	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7916 @ 0.00097098 = 7.6863 BTC [+] {2}
00:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2050 @ 0.00097209 = 1.9928 BTC [+]
00:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 335 @ 0.00068998 = 0.2311 BTC [+] {2}
00:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.049 = 0.147 BTC [+] {2}
00:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 331 @ 0.00068999 = 0.2284 BTC [+]
00:59	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8984 @ 0.00097209 = 8.7333 BTC [+]
01:06	artifexd	Hmm... nickserv won't let me change my nick to ┗(°0°)┛
01:11	Duffer1	.bait
01:13	artifexd	!up ozbot
01:13	assbot	Can't do that, artifexd.
01:14	Duffer1	!up pankkake
01:14	assbot	Voicing pankkake for 30 minutes.
01:15	Duffer1	just testing
01:15	Duffer1	!down pankkake
01:15	Duffer1	mm excellent
01:24	fluffypony	artifexd: so change it to to-da-mooooon instead?
01:24	artifexd	Eh
01:24	artifexd	Doesn't have the same effect
01:24	fluffypony	true
01:25	fluffypony	http://i.imgur.com/4QjPw3D.png
01:25	fluffypony	well then
01:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0495 = 0.1485 BTC [+] {2}
01:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.034 = 0.102 BTC [-]
01:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0495 = 0.1485 BTC [+]
01:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.08299776 = 0.249 BTC [-]
01:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00564186 = 0.4513 BTC [-] {9}
01:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
01:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1320 @ 0.00014513 = 0.1916 BTC [-] {5}
		~ 16 minutes ~
02:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2142 @ 0.000061 = 0.1307 BTC [-]
02:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 104 @ 0.0016 = 0.1664 BTC [-] {2}
02:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59486385 BTC [+]
02:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 272 @ 0.00068999 = 0.1877 BTC [+]
02:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 63 @ 0.00579668 = 0.3652 BTC [+] {2}
02:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 716 @ 0.00019989 = 0.1431 BTC [+]
02:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0659997 = 0.264 BTC [+]
02:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0659998 = 0.462 BTC [+]
02:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00097237 = 4.8619 BTC [+]
		~ 51 minutes ~
03:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.04974249 = 0.199 BTC [+] {3}
		~ 23 minutes ~
03:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
		~ 1 hours 15 minutes ~
05:02	jurov	whoa now the chan is also secret?
05:05	fluffypony	secret = doesn't show up in /list ?
05:05	fluffypony	private = doesn't show up in whois unless you're on the same channel as the user you're whois'ing ?
05:12	pankkake	most freenode channels are +s, might be a default
05:13	fluffypony	yeah I think so
05:13	fluffypony	https://pypi.python.org/pypi/defusedxml
05:13	fluffypony	"It's just XML, what could probably go wrong?"
05:14	jurov	i only hope there is no such feature in json
05:14	fluffypony	no there isn't
05:15	fluffypony	JSON is an actual data store, XML can't decide if it's a data store or a language
05:15	pankkake	json is safe. beware of its cousin yaml though
05:15	Anduck	+s is default, yes
05:15	Anduck	why did i have to !up again?
05:16	jurov	cuz gribble deauthed you?
05:16	Anduck	let's see..
05:16	jurov	but assbot is still buggy, too
05:16	Anduck	nope, i am authed
05:16	Anduck	ye
05:16	fluffypony	Anduck: you're automatically devoiced after 30 mins
05:16	jurov	bareback testing
05:16	Anduck	fluffypony: what's the idea with tht?
05:16	fluffypony	http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html
05:16	pankkake	not if you can !up yourself?
05:16	fluffypony	^^
05:17	jurov	fluffypony: auther people in the WoT are devoiced too?
05:17	pankkake	I think it was just because of assbot testing
05:17	jurov	*authed
05:17	fluffypony	jurov: I was under that impression, but I may have misunderstood when kakobrekla was explaining it
05:17	Anduck	well
05:17	Anduck	the whole thing is over-complicated and therefore SUCKS
05:18	Anduck	=)
05:18	fluffypony	Anduck: -otc would be great if it was +m, because !voiceme only requires auth with gribble
05:18	jurov	benka'y missing manul doesn't mention it either
05:18	Anduck	what would +m change there?
05:18	fluffypony	wouldn't stop scammers from pm'ing
05:18	Anduck	indeed
05:19	Anduck	and scammers do most of the scamming by pming
05:19	fluffypony	yeah I know
05:19	Anduck	i see no reason for +m there
05:19	fluffypony	shame that one guy that got scammed by Scott Harding lost his PayPal dispute
05:19	Anduck	did he?
05:19	Anduck	=(
05:19	fluffypony	yeah
05:19	jurov	they can pm. we can do a cartel agreement to ask them 5BTC fee >:]
05:20	fluffypony	heh
05:20	pankkake	I'll doo 4.99
05:20	fluffypony	and it starts
05:21	pankkake	beauty of the free market
05:21	jurov	;;slap pankkake
05:21	*	gribble slaps pankkake with a gone to waste pygmy
05:21	jurov	yes, beauty of free markets..everyone who tries to undercut the cartel will get beaten
05:22	Anduck	yeah
05:22	Anduck	pm me and pay 0.01 btc to me to get voiced here
05:22	Anduck	..for 30mins
05:22	Anduck	:)
05:23	jurov	*everyone unrates Anduck*
05:23	Anduck	haha
05:23	pankkake	while scammers PM, at least they won't pollute the channels
05:24	Anduck	they never do anyway
05:24	pankkake	I'm always annoyed by their poor spelled requests
05:27	jurov	we can remember yesterday as bitcoin-assets gentrification day
05:30	pankkake	or cult reinforcement day
05:30	Anduck	mmh
05:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 665 @ 0.00018001 = 0.1197 BTC [-] {4}
05:32	jurov	"as the conference approaches, mp stepped up his repression against dissent"
05:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2190 @ 0.00017981 = 0.3938 BTC [-] {5}
05:35	jurov	Bitcoin Bourse Saturday 12.4.2014 - New Shares: Abacus Cloud Hashing "ACH"
05:35	pankkake	it's sad…
05:35	jurov	altcoin IPO? that's new high i guess
05:35	pankkake	eh, I wish I could come to the conference but it's a really bad time for me
05:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00097586 = 11.076 BTC [+]
05:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55266 @ 0.00097538 = 53.9054 BTC [-] {2}
05:50	fluffypony	jurov: I was just looking at that
05:50	fluffypony	They give almost no data on the Abacus site
05:51	fluffypony	But they've already sold 2 of the shares at 3 BTC each
05:52	jurov	where do you see it?
05:53	fluffypony	On the locked thread there's a link
05:53	jurov	i see, there's 98 on bid side.. but they could have done that on purpose because the bourse does not publish trades
05:53	fluffypony	Oh yes
05:53	fluffypony	Sorry thought you meant to the site
05:54	fluffypony	They could be fudging the numbers
05:54	fluffypony	But why not fudge trade data then? At least they'd have a semblance of legitimacy
05:55	jurov	http://imgur.com/9AHGlkV this is how it looks inside
05:55	ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer
05:55	jurov	absolutely no asks....
05:56	fluffypony	Heh - at least that XXXProfit dude seems to consistently be paying dividends
05:56	fluffypony	That's a surprising turn of events
05:57	fluffypony	jurov: Nobody asks because every announcement thread is locked
05:57	fluffypony	It's almost like they don't want discussion
05:57	pankkake	yeah. I hope it doesn't give too much confidence to those investors
05:57	fluffypony	:-P
05:57	jurov	markus definitely does not want discussion
05:58	fluffypony	We should just create self-moderated discussion threads for each of the "securities"
05:58	fluffypony	That way nobody will be stupid enough to invest without reading the discussion thread
05:58	jurov	no need to increase their publicity
05:59	jurov	that thing needs to stay obscure and silently die
05:59	fluffypony	Lol
05:59	pankkake	self-moderated, locked threads = scam. there's no legitimate reason
06:01	jurov	on bitcointa.lk the locks don't apply, you can comment there
06:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 461 @ 0.0006 = 0.2766 BTC [-] {4}
06:01	fluffypony	Self moderated threads can be useful to keep stuff on topic if it's being trolled, and moderating legitimate concerns just ends up with someone starting an unmoderated discussion thread
06:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 539 @ 0.0006 = 0.3234 BTC [-]
06:04	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00096688 = 8.3152 BTC [-]
06:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 754 @ 0.0006 = 0.4524 BTC [-] {2}
06:05	fluffypony	Sup benkay
06:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 245 @ 0.00056126 = 0.1375 BTC [-] {6}
06:11	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11285 @ 0.00096177 = 10.8536 BTC [-]
06:14	mircea_popescu	!up BCB
06:14	assbot	Voicing BCB for 30 minutes.
06:15	mircea_popescu	!up bounce
06:15	assbot	Voicing bounce for 30 minutes.
06:15	mircea_popescu	!up cazalla
06:15	assbot	Voicing cazalla for 30 minutes.
06:15	mircea_popescu	!up bloctoc
06:15	assbot	Voicing bloctoc for 30 minutes.
06:15	mircea_popescu	!up cmyers_
06:15	assbot	Voicing cmyers_ for 30 minutes.
06:15	mircea_popescu	!up danielpbarron
06:15	assbot	Voicing danielpbarron for 30 minutes.
06:15	mircea_popescu	!up deadweasel
06:15	assbot	Voicing deadweasel for 30 minutes.
06:15	mircea_popescu	!up diametric
06:15	assbot	Voicing diametric for 30 minutes.
06:16	mircea_popescu	!up dignork
06:16	assbot	Voicing dignork for 30 minutes.
06:16	mircea_popescu	!up FabianB_
06:16	assbot	Voicing FabianB_ for 30 minutes.
06:16	cazalla	ty
06:16	mircea_popescu	!up fanquake
06:16	assbot	Voicing fanquake for 30 minutes.
06:16	mircea_popescu	!up joecool
06:16	assbot	Voicing joecool for 30 minutes.
06:16	mircea_popescu	!up keonne
06:16	assbot	Voicing keonne for 30 minutes.
06:16	mircea_popescu	!up lampelina
06:16	assbot	Voicing lampelina for 30 minutes.
06:16	mircea_popescu	!up Mats_cd03
06:16	assbot	Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
06:17	mircea_popescu	!up mikaeldice
06:17	assbot	Voicing mikaeldice for 30 minutes.
06:17	mircea_popescu	!up mpexbot
06:17	assbot	Can't do that, mircea_popescu.
06:17	mircea_popescu	hm.
06:17	mircea_popescu	!up Naphex
06:17	assbot	Voicing Naphex for 30 minutes.
06:17	mircea_popescu	!up numerisTrade
06:17	assbot	Voicing numerisTrade for 30 minutes.
06:17	mircea_popescu	!up pizzaman1338
06:17	assbot	Voicing pizzaman1338 for 30 minutes.
06:17	mircea_popescu	!up punkman
06:17	assbot	Voicing punkman for 30 minutes.
06:17	mircea_popescu	!up Rulother
06:17	assbot	Voicing Rulother for 30 minutes.
06:17	mircea_popescu	!up TomServo
06:17	assbot	Voicing TomServo for 30 minutes.
06:18	mircea_popescu	!up turbo_ac100
06:18	assbot	Voicing turbo_ac100 for 30 minutes.
06:18	mircea_popescu	!up wao-ender
06:18	assbot	Voicing wao-ender for 30 minutes.
06:18	mircea_popescu	!up zacm
06:18	assbot	Voicing zacm for 30 minutes.
06:18	mircea_popescu	ok so dear all i've just highlighted : you understand how to get voice for yourselves ?
06:18	mircea_popescu	!up [KS]
06:18	assbot	Voicing [KS] for 30 minutes.
06:19	Mats_cd03	yes
06:19	mircea_popescu	aite jus' making sure
06:19	cazalla	yeah, shame MisterE departed because of this change
06:19	mircea_popescu	cazalla he got no wot ?
06:19	Mats_cd03	the new world order is here
06:19	cazalla	doesn't care for it
06:19	mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 step by step
06:20	mircea_popescu	cazalla sucks.
06:20	jurov	lol rather document it somewhere and PM everyone the link
06:20	jurov	i'd write up but imma run afk, it's weeeekend
06:20	mircea_popescu	jurov well also gives ppl the oportunity to rage at me.
06:21	Mats_cd03	set it as channel topic?
06:21	punkman	I was like "aww I'm not in assbot's WOT", then I noticed assbot rated me :)
06:21	mircea_popescu	lol
06:21	fluffypony	does every shitty Windows/web IRC client even notify you if you say something in a room that's +m and you're -v ?
06:21	mircea_popescu	anyway, teh idea isn't to piss people off in any case.
06:21	mircea_popescu	fluffypony perhaps not.
06:22	fluffypony	yeah, I bet robcheesewhizz22 thought he was responding to us yesterday :-P
06:22	mircea_popescu	truth of the matter is, as kakobrekla said yest, this irc interfacing thing is far from smooth
06:22	fluffypony	!down
06:22	assbot	Need a nickname, fluffypony.
06:22	fluffypony	!down fluffypony
06:22	assbot	fluffypony, fluffypony is not voiced.
06:22	mircea_popescu	o yeah this works nao ?
06:22	mircea_popescu	!up fluffypony
06:22	assbot	Can't do that, mircea_popescu.
06:22	mircea_popescu	mnop
06:22	fluffypony	smooth
06:22	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla mebbe also voice for mpexbot ?
06:23	mircea_popescu	poor kako. what originally seemed like a coupla hour's lark is by now threatening to swallow the entire week
06:25	fluffypony	so CloudFlare's Heartbleed challenge was broken by two researchers
06:25	mircea_popescu	and they ain't payin; ?
06:26	fluffypony	no they are
06:26	fluffypony	http://blog.cloudflare.com/the-results-of-the-cloudflare-challenge
06:26	ozbot	The Results of the CloudFlare Challenge | CloudFlare Blog
06:26	fluffypony	"The first valid submission was received at 4:22:01PST by Software Engineer Fedor Indutny. He sent at least 2.5 million requests over the course of the day. The second was submitted at 5:12:19PST by Ilkka Mattila at NCSC-FI, who sent around a hundred thousand requests over the same period of time."
06:26	fluffypony	grabbing privkeys in 100k requests
06:26	mircea_popescu	o look, fedor.
06:27	mircea_popescu	Anduck why overcomplicated, cause gotta id with gribble and pm assbot ie, two things ?
06:27	mircea_popescu	!up KRS-One
06:27	assbot	Voicing KRS-One for 30 minutes.
06:27	mircea_popescu	!up jakov
06:27	assbot	Voicing jakov for 30 minutes.
06:27	Anduck	mircea_popescu: indeed
06:27	jakov	whats this?
06:28	Anduck	not many know about gribble, gpg, otc, wot, assbot or anything related to these things
06:28	Anduck	still they might know about bitcoin and bitcoin assets
06:28	mircea_popescu	jakov http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html
06:28	mircea_popescu	Anduck that seems like a contradiction in terms.
06:29	jakov	ok
06:29	cazalla	Anduck: ones excuse, anothers motivation to learn
06:29	fluffypony	Anduck: in -otc we're constantly linking people to the beginner's guide, and they learn to register with gribble quickly
06:29	mircea_popescu	i like that guy's attitude
06:29	mircea_popescu	fluffypony oh, -otc is +m again ?
06:29	Anduck	no
06:29	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: no, not atm
06:29	Anduck	it's not +m and planned to not be
06:29	mircea_popescu	has it been, since 2012 or so ?
06:29	fluffypony	but people come in and get confused about gribble and all that
06:30	fluffypony	so the beginners guide is good for them
06:30	fluffypony	even if they only use BTC address signing instead of GPG auth
06:30	mircea_popescu	Anduck so then that's perfect, people who think they know about bitcoin and bitcoin assets but have no clue about bitcoin or bitcoin assets can spend some quality time in -otc hanging out with gribble and learning the basics of bitcoin and bitcoin assets : gpg, otc, wot, all that stuff.
06:30	*	fluffypony agrees
06:31	Anduck	well, whatever really =D
06:32	mircea_popescu	jurov: yes, beauty of free markets..everyone who tries to undercut the cartel will get beaten << check out hardass jurov!
06:33	mircea_popescu	so yesterday shall be remembered as cult gentrification day ?
06:33	mircea_popescu	!up kanzure
06:33	assbot	Voicing kanzure for 30 minutes.
06:34	mircea_popescu	o look i forgot mr bishop. yo!
06:34	mircea_popescu	!up akstunt600
06:34	assbot	Voicing akstunt600 for 30 minutes.
06:35	mircea_popescu	!up riX2000
06:35	assbot	Voicing riX2000 for 30 minutes.
06:35	mircea_popescu	!up the20year
06:35	assbot	Voicing the20year for 30 minutes.
06:35	mircea_popescu	!up TheSeven
06:35	assbot	Voicing TheSeven for 30 minutes.
06:35	mircea_popescu	!up Troic
06:35	assbot	Voicing Troic for 30 minutes.
06:35	mircea_popescu	!up thestringpuller
06:35	assbot	Voicing thestringpuller for 30 minutes.
06:35	TheSeven	...whatever
06:35	mircea_popescu	get in the wot mang.
06:36	mircea_popescu	!up virtuals
06:36	assbot	Voicing virtuals for 30 minutes.
06:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5947 BTC [-]
06:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.5948 = 1.7844 BTC [+]
06:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.5948 = 4.7584 BTC [+] {3}
06:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 34 @ 0.59735406 = 20.31 BTC [+] {8}
06:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.00579999 = 0.261 BTC [+] {3}
06:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.6 = 1.8 BTC [+]
06:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.0058 = 0.1972 BTC [+]
06:47	Anduck	devoicefest
06:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [+]
06:48	mircea_popescu	lol
06:50	mircea_popescu	"We have noticed that you own a domain name relative to ours. We are currently thinking about putting our domain name BlogAboutBitcoin.com for sale. Please let us know if you might be interested in buying this domain name from us."
06:50	mircea_popescu	yeah, absolutely, 15 letter domains are something i'd be buying o.o
06:52	fluffypony	heh
06:52	fluffypony	I keep getting trademark requests from China
06:52	kakobrekla	hello kids
06:53	kakobrekla	did you steal any candy
06:53	fluffypony	"This is Cari Wang from a department of registration service in China. Our registration department formally received an application on Mar. 10, 2014, One company self-styled "Kemod Holding,Ltd." are going to apply to register brand name and domain names as below "
06:53	fluffypony	and then they list a website name you registered
06:53	fluffypony	and tell you that "Kemod Holding" is going to register all these domains and do you want to stop them
06:53	Apocalyptic	mircea, here's the offers I got some days ago
06:53	Apocalyptic	Cryptomize.com - $770
06:53	Apocalyptic	CoinCarts.com - $1275
06:53	Apocalyptic	Coinerfy.com - $1495
06:53	Apocalyptic	Coinings.com - $2450
06:53	Apocalyptic	totally crappy names
06:53	fluffypony	for which they'll charge you the low, low fee of a few thousand $$$
06:53	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic i can beat that. someone finally read the robwhiz guy's proposal. you will have to look at this thing.
06:54	mircea_popescu	http://dpaste.com/1777328/
06:54	ozbot	dpaste: #1777328
06:54	mircea_popescu	this, i will have to stress, is *still* coldcalling.
06:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.60949999 = 3.657 BTC [+] {2}
06:56	Apocalyptic	mircea, what does this robwhiz guy do ?
06:56	mircea_popescu	apparently, coldcall ?
06:56	fluffypony	$12 500 is 50%?
06:56	mircea_popescu	anyway, that's just selected derpage, he sent piles more.
06:56	Apocalyptic	i got that, but what exactly is he offering in exchange
06:56	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic that matterwas never actually discussed.
06:57	mircea_popescu	fluffypony imagine that!
06:57	fluffypony	Apocalyptic: he's offering his notes
06:57	fluffypony	for $25 000
06:57	fluffypony	wtf.
06:59	mircea_popescu	!up dexX7
06:59	assbot	Voicing dexX7 for 30 minutes.
07:00	dexX7	haha ty :)
07:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 33 @ 0.6 = 19.8 BTC [-] {2}
07:00	mircea_popescu	dja know how to get it yourself ?
07:00	dexX7	no?
07:00	dexX7	!up dexX7
07:00	assbot	dexX7, dexX7 is already voiced.
07:00	mircea_popescu	http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html
07:00	ozbot	#bitcoin-assets new WoT and voice model
07:01	dexX7	hey that's nice
07:02	mircea_popescu	actually, here's an interesting project : someone traverse the l2 trust from assbot, make a list of who's on it.
07:03	mircea_popescu	decent adition to benkay's post.
07:08	kakobrekla	!up zacm
07:08	assbot	Voicing zacm for 30 minutes.
07:08	kakobrekla	!up cazalla
07:08	assbot	Voicing cazalla for 30 minutes.
07:08	zacm	seems to work :)
07:09	mircea_popescu	hey z. wot plox.
07:09	zacm	hi mircea_popescu, all
07:10	zacm	<jurov> on bitcointa.lk the locks don't apply, you can comment there
07:11	zacm	haha, so bitcointa.lk is not just a mirror, but people can respond to threads and it won't necessarily appear on the original thread? haha
07:11	mircea_popescu	yup
07:11	dexX7	!down dexX7
07:11	assbot	Can't do that, dexX7.
07:13	mircea_popescu	jeez you can't do anything
07:13	dexX7	please unvoice me
07:13	kakobrekla	just /hop
07:13	kakobrekla	or /part , /join
07:14	mircea_popescu	wd.
07:14	dexX7	:)
07:14	dexX7	i think #bitcoin-markets has something similar but with reddit authentication
07:15	kakobrekla	to keep the elite out*?
07:15	dexX7	well it's a channel for a subreddit
07:15	mircea_popescu	fuck, we're not even the first ever
07:15	mircea_popescu	can we still be the biggest ?
07:15	dexX7	no, but the most sophisticated
07:15	mircea_popescu	i guess ;/
07:16	mircea_popescu	i really wanted to be the first biggest
07:16	mircea_popescu	like all the cool kids.
07:16	dexX7	it's amazing
07:16	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
07:16	dexX7	^
07:16	mircea_popescu	lol
07:20	bounce	does assbot consider ratings, that is do negatives not count?
07:21	mircea_popescu	afaik your l2 total must be > 0
07:22	fluffypony	!gettrust assbot
07:23	fluffypony	;;gettrust assbot
07:23	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user fluffypony to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=fluffypony&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014
07:23	fluffypony	oh it's the other way round
07:23	mircea_popescu	yup
07:24	dexX7	http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=assbot&dest=fluffypony
07:24	ozbot	#bitcoin-otc Web of Trust - Trust graph
07:24	dexX7	just flip it
07:25	mircea_popescu	;;rate assbot 1 Nice ass & face bot.
07:25	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user assbot has been recorded.
07:26	mircea_popescu	("face bot" would be, "[enthusiastically] sucks cock" / "is pouting" in Romanian)
07:26	fluffypony	;;gettrust assbot fluffypony
07:26	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask fluffypony!~fluffypon@geartri.be. Trust relationship from user assbot to user fluffypony: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=fluffypony | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=fluffypony | Rated since: Sat Apr 6 08:20:32 2013
07:26	fluffypony	there we go
07:26	fluffypony	so as long as you have L2 > 0 you're fine for self-upping
07:26	mircea_popescu	yep
07:26	mircea_popescu	so don't piss off Apocalyptic lol
07:27	fluffypony	lol
07:28	fluffypony	bounce: negatives don't count for L2, only L1
07:28	fluffypony	eg. http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=mircea_popescu&dest=fluffypony
07:28	davout	;;rate assbot 1 one ass to rule them all
07:28	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user assbot has been recorded.
07:28	mircea_popescu	fluffypony l1 negatives don't turn l2 into a negative. but l2 negatives do count.
07:28	fluffypony	aaaah
07:29	mircea_popescu	i mean!
07:29	mircea_popescu	l1 negatives don't turn l2 into a negative. but l1 negatives do count.
07:29	fluffypony	yep
07:30	mircea_popescu	!up bitesak
07:30	assbot	Voicing bitesak for 30 minutes.
07:30	mircea_popescu	pity that kid on the forum already splurged his scientology load too. this'd have made such a great op.
07:31	pankkake	I'm sure he will be delighted to hear about the cult getting cultier
07:34	bounce	281 names. lemme drop'em in a pastebin
07:34	mircea_popescu	a cool! ty!
07:34	pankkake	nice, I wouldn't have thought this many
07:35	bitesak	thank you, you are quite the inspiration in many areas;
07:35	bounce	now for someone to verify the list :-)
07:37	mircea_popescu	bitesak you in teh wot ?
07:37	bounce	heh, oopsie. lemme do that again.
07:38	bounce	436 even. used the wrong starting point. data iz hard!
07:40	mircea_popescu	bounce i was thinking this must be broken because when i wrote the article yest mah ppl had said "just shy of 500"
07:40	mircea_popescu	which is why i said "many times the max population of the chan"
07:40	bounce	http://pastebin.ca/2694954
07:40	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/why-everything-you-think-you-know-about-dns-is-entirely-wrong/
07:40	ozbot	Why everything you think you know about DNS is entirely wrong pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu
07:40	bounce	yeah needed someone with positive and negative ratings to check filtering them, then forgot to stick assbot back in
07:41	mircea_popescu	bounce Sorry, an error has occurred. Reason: That is an invalid ID, or the post has expired.
07:41	mircea_popescu	you hax me ? i cut you!
07:41	bounce	s/ratings/sent &/
07:41	bounce	gah. silly pastebin.ca
07:45	bitesak	mircea_popescu: yes, in the wot under bitdragon
07:45	bounce	this works here: http://pastebin.ca/2694955
07:45	mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot bitesak
07:45	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user bitesak: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=bitesak | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitesak | Rated since: never
07:45	mircea_popescu	tsk.
07:45	mircea_popescu	;;rate bitesak 1 New blood.
07:45	gribble	Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
07:46	mircea_popescu	bitesak you wouldn't be fibbin' ?
07:46	mircea_popescu	o o i see
07:46	mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot bitdragon
07:46	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user bitdragon: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=bitdragon | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitdragon | Rated since: Mon Oct 3 16:01:35 2011
07:46	bitesak	fibbin'? I try not to.
07:46	mircea_popescu	;;rate bitdragon 1 New blood.
07:46	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user bitdragon has been recorded.
07:46	pankkake	;;gettrust assbot theymos
07:46	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user theymos: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=theymos | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=theymos | Rated since: Mon Nov 8 13:36:30 2010
07:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 12 @ 0.14 = 1.68 BTC
07:47	mircea_popescu	bitesak you can autovoice bitdragon now.
07:47	bitesak	merci
07:47	pankkake	;;gettrust assbot gmaxwell
07:47	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user gmaxwell: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=gmaxwell | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gmaxwell | Rated since: Mon Jul 25 13:49:45 2011
07:48	mircea_popescu	1 via 3 connections ? for a .33 avg ? that's a feat.
07:49	pankkake	;;gettrust assbot MagicalTux
07:49	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user MagicalTux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -6 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=MagicalTux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=MagicalTux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010
07:49	pankkake	ok, that one is a bug in your script :)
07:49	mircea_popescu	an even better feat.
07:49	bounce	huh, ratefest
07:50	bounce	anyhow, blithely assuming assbot only gives positive ratings in the script
07:50	mircea_popescu	bounce this is true.
07:51	bounce	heh, just about 20 mins of scripting
07:51	mircea_popescu	i like how this thing just keeps swallowing more and more of people's time than they had anticipated.
07:53	kakobrekla	i know rite
07:54	mircea_popescu	this is what good management does!
07:54	bitesak	!up bitdragon
07:54	assbot	Can't do that, bitesak.
07:54	bounce	steal people's time on frivolities?
07:54	kakobrekla	bitesak !up youself first on pvt
07:54	kakobrekla	then you can up others
07:55	mircea_popescu	and you gotta be bitdragon
07:56	mircea_popescu	bounce the frivolities that steal your time are the stuff life's made of.
07:56	bitesak	ok ! thanks again
07:57	Apocalyptic	<mircea_popescu> bounce the frivolities that steal your time are the stuff life's made of. << well said
08:00	bounce	could make a list of who introduces whom. but, eh, let's not.
08:00	mircea_popescu	but why not :D
08:01	mircea_popescu	welcome to teh cult turbo_ac100
08:01	turbo_ac100	Does assbot autoACK?
08:01	turbo_ac100	mircea_popescu: yeah, hi.
08:03	turbo_ac100	Oh right. 1 layer is enough for permanent voice o.O
08:04	bounce	for layer two, combined score * 30 mins? (yay, overcomplicating)
08:04	mircea_popescu	nah, indefinite.
08:05	mircea_popescu	you made it, you made it.
08:05	mircea_popescu	bounce http://blog.khersonus.com/2014/assbot-level-2-trust/
08:05	mircea_popescu	check that shit out. either one or the other of you is wrong.
08:06	mircea_popescu	sheeeit this guy scooped me.
08:06	mircea_popescu	http://blog.khersonus.com/2014/first-bitcoin-otc-rating/ << i was gonna blog this
08:06	ozbot	First bitcoin-otc rating | Khersonus Blog
08:07	bounce	you mean he says 438 and I say 436? let's see where the difference lies then
08:07	mircea_popescu	i thought he said 432 ?
08:07	bounce	er, yes
08:09	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00097 = 22.116 BTC [+]
08:09	khersonus	here was my quick'n'dirty code: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=jr8W78NH
08:09	bounce	he's missing bounce (oi!), checkdavid, danielpbarron, joecool, punkman
08:09	mircea_popescu	bounce ahahaha
08:10	bounce	which brings up another question, why does diff give me 5 lines difference? o_O?
08:10	mircea_popescu	maybe a _
08:11	bounce	oh, he's got bitdragon whom got +1 after I posted the list
08:11	mircea_popescu	khersonus "the list increase to 495." => the list increases to 495.
08:12	bounce	really really quick'n'dirty code: http://pastebin.ca/2694958
08:12	khersonus	mircea_popescu: fixed, thanks.
08:13	mircea_popescu	saraj will be all "wtf is with all this dirty code coming to my site for a quickie today"
08:13	mircea_popescu	in other news,
08:13	mircea_popescu	http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/10/us/nevada-rancher-rangers-cattle-showdown/
08:13	ozbot	Showdown: Nevada rancher, feds face off over grazing rights - CNN.com
08:13	mircea_popescu	apparently the well armed militia is about to start a war with the even better armed bureaucracy
08:14	bounce	does kick the dog still count if it's a police dog?
08:14	mircea_popescu	wonder how long before people start going "o putin is behind this!"
08:15	turbo_ac100	bounce: nubbins "le backtick" ` got counted correctly?
08:16	mircea_popescu	lmao
08:17	turbo_ac100	what is dejson btw?
08:18	bounce	a bit of C code that turns json in something vaguely suitable for awkification
08:18	bounce	in this case the ouput looks like 12.rater_nick nubbins` (made up data)
08:18	turbo_ac100	I use python -json.tools.
08:19	turbo_ac100	ehm python -mjson.tools that is
08:19	bounce	er, the () isn't part of the output, of course
08:20	bounce	it'd be more efficient to output records as the first number changes, but this was faster. a small change in printing would save a loop a bit lower. that sort of thing.
08:20	bounce	s/faster/quicker to write/
08:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.6095 = 6.095 BTC [+]
08:35	mircea_popescu	in other news, http://37.media.tumblr.com/7e7b7c3cc7116db48b6d5fc1aa2ba7f4/tumblr_mzyn5lRZVl1skfvtio1_500.jpg
08:36	pankkake	so cute
08:38	mircea_popescu	clearly she's having fun
08:41	kakobrekla	a, so we have a new potential AA member
08:41	kakobrekla	im talking about the blog, to be clear.
08:42	mircea_popescu	i think so. khersonus add an about page ? a name, a pic of you in a dilapidated room with half a cloth in the window ?
08:43	mircea_popescu	"Markus Persson @notch · 1h I got an invitation to this cool sounding exclusive "important people talk to each other and change the world" thing. I make games. Games." << twasn't me.
08:43	pankkake	kakobrekla: already added it :p should show at next update
08:43	bounce	http://pastebin.ca/2694974
08:43	kakobrekla	pankkake :o
08:44	mircea_popescu	wait, pankkake maintains the assimilation ?
08:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.601 BTC [-]
08:44	pankkake	if it's not updated it's worthless
08:45	mircea_popescu	bounce if a name is allowed on the basis of two (multiple) ratings, which do you put in the "by" field ?
08:45	mircea_popescu	nm
08:45	mircea_popescu	all it takes is READ... dun du-dun dun dun
08:46	mircea_popescu	bounce you could encapsulate this as a webservice, incidentally.
08:46	mircea_popescu	bounce.com?q=derpy_nick
08:47	bounce	way too spendy to get bounce.com
08:47	kakobrekla	yes, pankkake came up with AA
08:47	bounce	but perchance, yes
08:47	mircea_popescu	titsbounce.com ?
08:47	mircea_popescu	or i guess boobiesbounce.biz
08:48	mircea_popescu	now THAT's a killer domain name
08:48	mircea_popescu	BB.B can be stylized into one heckova logo.
08:49	mircea_popescu	;;rate lampelina 1 Kako vouches for her up to over 9000 bitcoinz provided it's to buy shoes and things.
08:49	gribble	Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
08:49	mircea_popescu	o no!
08:50	bounce	the way I'm doing it now is simply recording all the info and printing it. I suppose that getting the results for a single nick would be better done taking the set union of everyone assbot has rated with everyone the target has received ratings from. that's only two json queries (or a single select given access to the database)
08:53	khersonus	mircea_popescu: sorry, was afk. Heh, yeah, need to work on the blog a bit.
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09:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.04998999 = 0.4999 BTC [+] {2}
09:16	mircea_popescu	pankkake http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/#comment-98993
09:17	nubbins`	;;later tell mircea_popescu mid-30s isn't old if you're a tree
09:17	gribble	The operation succeeded.
09:17	nubbins`	i mean, the same thing without ;;later tell
09:17	mircea_popescu	im a weed.
09:17	nubbins`	is this a trick to get me to smoke you? ;(
09:17	mircea_popescu	hahaha
09:24	pankkake	mid-30s is old?
09:24	pankkake	I feel I only have one year left anyway
09:27	ThickAsThieves	"<MisterE> well was nice chatting with you for a time I'm not fucking around with the +m nonsense"
09:27	ThickAsThieves	i chatted with him?
09:27	ThickAsThieves	maybe he was a socker
09:29	ThickAsThieves	" The bill, snarkily named the "Let Me Google That For You Act," sets its sights on the NTIS for charging for technical reports that anyone can Google for free."
09:29	dexX7	<bounce> http://pastebin.ca/2694974 + gephi => http://i.imgur.com/xfGIozu.png
09:30	Apocalyptic	nice graph
09:30	bounce	the bigger the node the bigger the guilt ;-)
09:30	dexX7	hehe
09:35	bounce	the existence of elites, at least the part where some people are regarded as "better" than others in some sort of fancy or other, is not bad by and of itself. the problems arise (and I'd surmise egalitarians' complaints partly stem from this) when people work on shutting out other people on essentially arbitrary grounds so as to, well, keep the thing exclusive in ways quite disconnected from the original merit
09:36	bounce	in other words, elites work better when everyone has a comparable shot at getting in and the same risk of getting thrown out.
09:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06599978 = 0.132 BTC [+] {2}
09:38	ThickAsThieves	that's an ideal, not a reality though
09:38	Apocalyptic	"when everyone has a comparable shot at getting in" that's hardly true
09:38	ThickAsThieves	an elite, by definition, will always have a better position to stay one
09:38	ThickAsThieves	though that doesnt have to mean there is no way they can lose it
09:39	ThickAsThieves	but for example, ousting kakobrekla would be a tough one
09:39	mircea_popescu	bounce pretty nice gb
09:40	mircea_popescu	bounce whence the quote ?
09:41	dexX7	i quoted the paste
09:41	dexX7	it's mine ;)
09:41	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00096739 = 11.3185 BTC [-]
09:42	nubbins`	!up mius_
09:42	assbot	Voicing mius_ for 30 minutes.
09:42	mircea_popescu	o hey. pretty nice dexX7 :X
09:42	bounce	the graph thing is dexx7's, yes
09:43	mircea_popescu	o look, nano's like teh sun
09:43	mircea_popescu	black hole gobbling up the sentient cloud of assets
09:44	nubbins`	hey, there's me!
09:44	mircea_popescu	nubbins` i would guess you qualify as what they call a facilitator.
09:44	mircea_popescu	like you know, whores.
09:44	nubbins`	heh.
09:45	bounce	ITYM pimps?
09:45	nubbins`	my wot substantially grew with nano's rating
09:46	mircea_popescu	bounce no, i don't international tournament of youn mathematicians pimp. i international tournament of youn mathematicians whore.
09:46	bounce	o_O?
09:46	mircea_popescu	because a little known twist of the renaissance is that most of the business started by chance meetings in brothels and prostitutes' rooms
09:46	nubbins`	well, i *am* a mathematician
09:46	mircea_popescu	between gents who were both affluent but otherwise'd have never met.
09:46	nubbins`	and mid-30s isn't old if you're a tree...
09:47	mircea_popescu	but i'm a weed
09:47	mircea_popescu	;;google seinology "i'm a weed"
09:47	gribble	Seinology.com :: Scripts :: 158-The Voice: <http://www.seinology.com/scripts/script-158.shtml>; Seinology.com :: Scripts :: 42-The Trip(2): <http://www.seinology.com/scripts/script-42.shtml>; Seinology.com :: Scripts :: 142-The Chicken Roaster: <http://seinology.com/scripts/script-142.shtml>
09:49	nubbins`	http://pastebin.com/PmB4GvAd
09:49	ozbot	Dear Polimedia, In casually researching the Cardano I came across your announ - Pastebin.com
09:49	nubbins`	tl;dr: "I am happy to provide the above services at 5% of that cost, i.e. for $25,000 - paid half up-front in BTC (about 54 BTC) and half upon project completion (about 54 BTC)."
09:50	mircea_popescu	you too brute ?!
09:51	nubbins`	http://therecoveringpolitician.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/knowledge-is-power-41.jpg
09:53	ThickAsThieves	I just realized this new Havelock IPO is another "AM" ...
09:53	nubbins`	but without dividends
09:53	ThickAsThieves	who needs divs when you have an A, AND a M
09:54	ThickAsThieves	ActM got their first server up
09:54	ThickAsThieves	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzgxGaVWlpU&feature=youtu.be
09:54	ozbot	IMG 8978 - YouTube
09:54	ThickAsThieves	i imagine thats the sound of Ken's hell
09:54	mircea_popescu	so the chick made... bacon quiche.
09:54	mircea_popescu	da fuck am i gonna do now.
09:54	nubbins`	tuck in!
09:54	mircea_popescu	lol
09:54	nubbins`	belt-loosening is optional, based on portion size ;D
09:55	nubbins`	http://pastebin.com/gJXyvXgd
09:55	ozbot	New Product Design The primary benefits that will be shown by my 20-50 p - Pastebin.com
09:56	nubbins`	pretty much just chin-wagging
09:56	ThickAsThieves	lemme guess, none of his plans solve any of his stated problems
09:57	nubbins`	the earlier pastebin at least attempts to enumerate them properly
09:58	ThickAsThieves	get the guy to escrow 54btc himself, and 54btc from SNSA
09:58	bounce	ok, so, I'm not an expert and so I keep on wondering whether it's me or that guy who's not understanding, but at the same time my brains fall out. wtf is he on about?
09:58	ThickAsThieves	then if they use his info he gets both
09:58	ThickAsThieves	if not, he loses both
09:58	ThickAsThieves	of course he obv does not have 54btc
09:59	pankkake	http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/win-bitcoin-creating-good-baseball-bitbet/2014/04/12
09:59	nubbins`	"Well it turns out it could be resolved extremely simply. If the Cardano had any sort of display it could simply display the hash value of what it was about to sign: the user would manually have to click through to approve that particular hash."
09:59	nubbins`	y'know, because humans can glance at a hash and tell if it's valid
09:59	bounce	he doesn't? he's worked with "$100B" companies!
10:00	Apocalyptic	don't you nubbins` ?
10:00	Apocalyptic	i thought you were a mathematician
10:00	nubbins`	sure, but i'm a m... ah, you get it
10:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.60988299 = 1.8296 BTC [+] {3}
10:10	punkman	so this lasts longer than 30 minutes?
10:12	dexX7	http://www.coindesk.com/wladimir-van-der-laans-top-four-priorities-bitcoin/ << sounds good
10:12	punkman	;;rate assbot AMAZING BOT
10:12	gribble	Error: 'AMAZING' is not a valid integer.
10:13	punkman	;;rate assbot 1 AMAZING BOT
10:13	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user assbot has been recorded.
10:14	ThickAsThieves	"Perhaps a more troubling problem for those who manage a large number of wallets through Bitcoin-Qt, the software has an upper limit to the number of private keys it can store. If you generate more keys than the upper limit, the software overwrites older keys to make space."
10:14	Apocalyptic	this is plainly misleading
10:15	ThickAsThieves	that's true? or?
10:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0651001 = 0.4557 BTC [-]
10:16	ThickAsThieves	some of this sounds good, some sounds scary
10:16	pankkake	"Error: 'AMAZING' is not a valid integer." clearly a bug
10:17	ThickAsThieves	"In any case, Van der Laan says his job is not to direct the bitcoin project like a dictator."
10:19	dexX7	i once reported a gui issue on github and his response was "In any case feel free to make it what you think is better, I'm sick of bikeshedding about these kind of details." >_>"
10:20	ThickAsThieves	i guess he's no steve jobs at least
10:23	Apocalyptic	ThickAsThieves, I have no knowledge of bitcoin-qt deleting older keys, let alone "to make space"...
10:23	Apocalyptic	what nonsense is this
10:23	ThickAsThieves	seems absurd
10:24	Apocalyptic	i suspect he got confused with the keypool explanation that follows
10:24	ThickAsThieves	i know large wallets can get bogged to a crawl, but he's implying there is specificlaly programming to delete keys
10:28	punkman	http://surprisecatherine.com/
10:28	ozbot	Surprise Catherine
10:30	ThickAsThieves	:/
10:30	pankkake	!down punkman
10:30	assbot	pankkake, punkman is not voiced.
10:30	asciilifeform	nubbins`: http://pastebin.com/gJXyvXgd << spaminator never tires?
10:31	punkman	but I am
10:31	asciilifeform	how come we don't get unsolicited offers from useful folks, like chinese soldering gurlz willing to work for btc.
10:32	asciilifeform	<robwhiz22> An ad hominem attack does not make your current design other than totally insecure and snake oil. It does not meet the usage case that was published, and is unfit for any purpose. You and Mr. Popescu can refuse my offer (of course) but the behavior I have seen in channel does not leave me surprised that you have missed your Christmas shipping time by 4 months.
10:33	asciilifeform	(that was him, five seconds ago)
10:33	asciilifeform	<robwhiz22> The offer is not unsolicited - as quoted the cryptome announcement welcomes critiques, which you have now received.
10:33	punkman	so he wants more openssl in his cardano or something?
10:33	asciilifeform	he started out by wanting... wifi.
10:34	bounce	moar heartbleed
10:34	punkman	how about a camera?
10:34	*	asciilifeform went for a year of irc without having to learn 'killfile' feature, now has to look it up in a hurry.
10:35	asciilifeform	but, what the hell,
10:35	asciilifeform	;;up robwhiz22
10:35	gribble	Error: "up" is not a valid command.
10:35	punkman	!up robwhiz22
10:35	assbot	Voicing robwhiz22 for 30 minutes.
10:35	asciilifeform	ty
10:36	robwhiz22	Thank you.
10:36	asciilifeform	robwhiz22: you have exactly 30 min. - or until someone barfs.
10:36	robwhiz22	Yes, I read how this works.
10:37	bounce	ThickAsThieves: elites aren't egalitarian, you'll recall. some are more leet than others. :-) the point rather is that if you're an elite shoemaker and son of an elite shoemaker you should be able to get in on traits acquired by exposure to shoemaker, not by dint of birth. even though that birth helped you along.
10:38	pankkake	https://bitcoinfoundation.org/blog/?p=714 :| :| :| :|
10:38	bounce	s/shoemaker,/shoemaking,/
10:38	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16550 @ 0.00096655 = 15.9964 BTC [-] {2}
10:38	kakobrekla	yeah btc crashing, tell your mother to invest to save it!! we wanna be rich again!
10:39	pankkake	also, bitcoin is a meme
10:39	robwhiz22	I did not intend for nubbins` to publish those two pastebins. I can answer any questions on them.
10:39	kakobrekla	i just read the title.
10:39	punkman	kakobrekla: why can't pankkake !down me?
10:39	kakobrekla	cause i made assumptions
10:39	kakobrekla	thats the real cause.
10:40	punkman	great
10:40	punkman	for me at least
10:40	bounce	robwhiz22: you were warned repeatedly that this was expected and required and I'm reasonably sure you gave permission for the receiver to do whatever they liked with the information.
10:40	kakobrekla	a fix is coming, later today i think.
10:40	robwhiz22	bounce, yes.
10:41	asciilifeform	robwhiz22: if you dislike public mockery, you can still remain a fool - just don't be a public fool.
10:42	robwhiz22	asciilifeform, as mentioned ad hominem attacks don't improve a design. I can say that usually, companies will have several iterations of completely internal design proposals that htey will consider. I've never heard of a company that wanted to ship products thta would have wanted proposals (even from consultants etc) to be public in this way.
10:42	fluffypony	What's that saying about it being better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than open your mouth and confirm everyone's suspicion? Something like that.
10:42	asciilifeform	robwhiz22: you are the same kind of 'consultant' as the beggars who 'wash' cars at stoplights with dirty rags without permission and demand money
10:44	ThickAsThieves	robwhiz22, yknow, if you offered one "free" bit of useful advice, something of value, you'd get more than 54btc worth out of it
10:45	robwhiz22	asciilifeform, and you are the same kind of "engineer" as the ones who promise a perpetual motion machine and take investment for it from people they dupe. How does this help the conversatoin?
10:45	ThickAsThieves	just guve your shit away if it's usable
10:45	ThickAsThieves	then maybe you get a job
10:45	robwhiz22	ThickAsThieves, I offered 3 specific ways in which the Cardano fails to meet its mission.
10:46	Apocalyptic	robwhiz22, I don't think you did
10:46	ThickAsThieves	i think ascii would differ
10:46	robwhiz22	ThickAsThieves, new architectures for radically new product categories don't write themselves. It will take me six weeks just to come up with 20-50 pages at a high-level.
10:46	ThickAsThieves	gimme a break
10:46	robwhiz22	Apocalyptic, did you read the pastebin? It was not cleaned up for a public disclosure but I can answer any questions on it.
10:46	ThickAsThieves	who cares about cleaned up
10:47	Apocalyptic	the 'public library fake usb host' is laughable
10:47	asciilifeform	robwhiz22 is free to build his own 'cardano,' with hookers and blackjack.
10:47	bounce	not to be unkind but the amount of words you spent failing to convey your message don't inspire confidence that 20..50 pages will do better
10:47	ThickAsThieves	youve been full of shit since you ninjashogunned your way in here, now it's your job to fix it
10:47	Apocalyptic	asciilifeform, if you have an attacker with physical access you have already lost
10:47	mircea_popescu	!up skylytez
10:47	assbot	Voicing skylytez for 30 minutes.
10:48	robwhiz22	bounce, the audience for that letter was Mircea who I think understands security to a certain level. I am happy to explain any of the points, but it was not a public document.
10:48	Apocalyptic	* robwhiz22 rather
10:48	asciilifeform	Apocalyptic: i spent hours trying to explain exactly this to him.
10:48	ThickAsThieves	it's public now, get over it
10:48	skylytez	Hi Mircea. I'm just trying to learn what I can from your blog. I'm actually looking for the 29 people
10:48	robwhiz22	Apocalyptic, yes. And the snake oil being sold here is that if you have an attacker with physical access, then if you have a Cardano you haven't lost. It's snake oil.
10:48	robwhiz22	Apocalyptic, but it's only snake oil in the current design :)
10:48	mircea_popescu	dexX7 not bad, perhaps with 4 moved as a 1
10:50	robwhiz22	The idea of the Cardano is quite simple. It is described in mircea_popescu's specs: http://trilema.com/2013/snsa-first-product-the-cardano/ -- it says, "Consider the case of visiting a random net cafe or public library. Without Cardano you are in a relatively tough spot : even should you carry your gpg keyring and gpg software on a USB stick, and even should you be able to install gpg software on the respective computer, typing in t
10:50	robwhiz22	he keyring passphrase would in all likelihood compromise that key."
10:50	fluffypony	Guys if anyone is interested I'm selling my report on why robwhiz22's report is wrong for the low price of $20 000 in BTC up-front. If I get more than 3 buyers I'll include a copy of his report as well.
10:50	fluffypony	My report is rather short
10:50	bounce	robwhiz22, two can play the argument from authority game. plenty more read it and I don't see anyone agreeing with you. ie you failed to convince.
10:50	fluffypony	But I'm sure you'll find it worth the money
10:50	robwhiz22	mircea_popescu and asciilifeform are selling hte snake oil that they will fix this. They have taken investment for it. Their solution is totally broken and unfit for this usage case.
10:50	ThickAsThieves	i'm selling another 30min of !up to robwhizz for 54btc
10:51	mircea_popescu	skylytez heya. they're in the log, two different people have made parsers
10:51	fluffypony	lol
10:51	mircea_popescu	!topic
10:51	mircea_popescu	;;topic
10:51	gribble	http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com
10:51	robwhiz22	(bounce, I've received agreements)
10:51	asciilifeform	robwhiz22: why not hush and wait for the machine. then collect 10btc (from me) and perhaps more from others, if you can reflash the unit without opening the case, through usb.
10:51	skylytez	Thanks MP
10:51	mircea_popescu	the more recent pastebin by bounce is instructive, and dex made a graph
10:51	bounce	share, please.
10:52	robwhiz22	asciilifeform Because the machine is unfit to be manufactured today. Why would I "wait for it" and have this idea totally disappear, instead of being iterated on and working and being something big.
10:52	robwhiz22	(by 'this idea' I mean your device.)
10:53	robwhiz22	asciilifeform, it was my understanding that you and mircea_popescu have taken investment for it. Why would you use it to manufacture sometihng faulty that does not meet its described usage case? That is fraudulent.
10:53	fluffypony	robwhiz22: Then open source your criticisms
10:53	fluffypony	Costs to cover manufacturing != costs to cover design
10:54	robwhiz22	fluffypony I think they have sufficient investment to cover the design. It's a very low amount due to the category being totally new.
10:54	asciilifeform	robwhiz22: many if not most of the folks who bought s.nsa shares are likely here. go on and convince them that they are fools...
10:55	robwhiz22	asciilifeform, they are not fools. So far you haven't shipped something broken, and have the time and resources to fix things.
10:55	robwhiz22	asciilifeform, moreover perhaps attention to detail is what caused some of the shipping delays to begin with. This is why I wrote with a proposal to help while things can be helped.
10:55	ThickAsThieves	if i recall, the product will be demonstrated next week, no?
10:56	robwhiz22	asciilifeform, the issue you brought up about reflashing is one that I wanted to address very briefly in the shorter write-up on the Cardano A. I believe you've found microcontrollers that can't be reflashed from USB.
10:57	robwhiz22	asciilifeform, it is not a main sourcecoming. I've only summarized things that render the Cardano totally unfit in its present form.
10:57	robwhiz22	(for the usage described/sold).
10:57	asciilifeform	robwhiz22: so far the only thing you've convinced the people here of is - to add a bozo filter to the channel.
10:57	asciilifeform	robwhiz22: take a moment to contemplate this.
10:58	robwhiz22	asciilifeform, like I said if you are convincing people to trust an insecure design that is unfit for the usage case you sell, you are a fraud. Convincing people to trust it is fraudulent.
10:59	fluffypony	asciilifeform: Well, to be fair, he's convinced me that I can sell a bullshit report for $25k. That's a learning:)
10:59	ThickAsThieves	but he hasnt
10:59	robwhiz22	fluffypony, the amount varies. I've taken into consideration the fact that Polimedia is a 'startup' and also not asking for any equity, royalty, etc. It's also trailblazing something radically new.
11:00	fluffypony	Oh dude awesome
11:00	fluffypony	I'm going to ask for equity as well
11:00	fluffypony	And profit share
11:00	robwhiz22	fluffypony, the amount isn't totally fixed.
11:00	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform honestly, the bozo filter is a result of trader1333, not this derp or that other one.
11:00	fluffypony	And royalties
11:00	fluffypony	I'll be rich!
11:00	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: even so - it is good to have it.
11:00	fluffypony	brb emailing Apple
11:01	robwhiz22	If investors are here they may read the private proposal and step up to pay for the report and internal design proposal. 15sdNNq9Rk8JM7VENnPvPeoCwTW7ScHHZA
11:01	robwhiz22	They will only receive a copy of the proposal if mircea_popescu and asciilifeform decide to share it however. It is important not to get people's expectations up if some feature won't be included in the first iteration, for example.
11:02	fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: I don't know, I mean, would he be pushing this hard if he'd never made a sale?
11:02	mircea_popescu	in a word, yes.
11:02	robwhiz22	fluffypony, I've never made a sale in apublic forum like htis.
11:02	*	bounce would expect such investors to at least want to know whom they're dealing with. got any references, a CV, that sort of thing?
11:02	asciilifeform	incidentally, this is not a bad time to point out that 'cardano' and future s.nsa products are meant for adults.
11:02	mircea_popescu	think of how hard virgin boys push, and compare to normal people.
11:02	robwhiz22	fluffypony, it's an EXTREMELY unusual request from mircea_popescu that business be conducted here.
11:03	mircea_popescu	they who evere made a sale have some representation of how hard to push. those who never have however...
11:03	mircea_popescu	no clue.
11:03	robwhiz22	mircea_popescu, if you were not interested I would have expected that reply from you to one of my two follow-up emails.
11:03	asciilifeform	that is, folks who are willing to take the time to understand the design - or are on speaking terms with a competent engineer, who will - before putting it to use in anger.
11:03	robwhiz22	mircea_popescu, however I believe you are not interested in selling snake oil and would be genuinely interested in creating a product that meets your basic claims about it.
11:04	robwhiz22	mircea_popescu, I could be wrong of course.
11:04	bounce	so, you're selling snake oil detection services for the low, low price of 54 bitcoin?
11:04	robwhiz22	!up robwhiz22
11:04	assbot	robwhiz22, robwhiz22 is already voiced.
11:04	robwhiz22	can I up myself?
11:05	fluffypony	robwhiz22: you're wrong, this is the sekrit channel for snake oil only
11:05	robwhiz22	bounce - Did you read my emails?
11:05	bounce	;;gettrust assbot robwhiz22
11:05	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user robwhiz22: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=robwhiz22 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=robwhiz22 | Rated since: never
11:05	bounce	nope, you can't.
11:05	robwhiz22	bounce - that were posted here?
11:05	*	fluffypony buys some oil for his snakes
11:05	asciilifeform	here we sell groundhog oil only. 'bitcointalk' for all of your snake oil needs.
11:07	asciilifeform	robwhiz22: at the rate you're going, you will have to pay folks to 'voice' you.
11:07	asciilifeform	robwhiz22: don't bother private-messaging me - i'm done.
11:08	pankkake	posting a bitcoin address right away is certainly grounds for a !down
11:08	mircea_popescu	i'll do it for 1 btc
11:08	mircea_popescu	guy's on my ignore, so we have a classical example of disaster of commons : i'm selling him your ears, fellow countrymen
11:08	fluffypony	http://i.imgur.com/sFD0P4M.jpg
11:09	*	asciilifeform goes off to catch the falling leaves of sakuras.
11:09	fluffypony	Someone sell me oil for my snake
11:11	Blazedout419	lol
11:11	asciilifeform	parting gift, for the entertainment of the gentlemen,
11:11	asciilifeform	!up robwhiz22
11:11	assbot	Voicing robwhiz22 for 30 minutes.
11:11	bounce	such gifts
11:11	fluffypony	Awwww asciilifeform
11:12	fluffypony	I was about to extort 1 BTC out if him
11:12	bounce	another 30 minutes, another chance
11:12	asciilifeform	fluffypony: gag him and ask for the coin, then
11:12	fluffypony	Another day another dollar
11:12	fluffypony	asciilifeform: I'll wait for him to screw up again and hold him for random
11:12	fluffypony	random
11:12	fluffypony	Ransom
11:13	robwhiz22	thank you, asciilifeform.
11:13	fluffypony	Funking autocorrect
11:13	fluffypony	Wow. Autocorrect can't even curse correctly.
11:14	robwhiz22	well, mircea_popescu has said in channel that he put me on ignore (a strange reaction after inviting me in here.) As I presume he and the chief engineer make joint decisions, the only way the investors in s.nsa will have the benefits of the new design, and corrections to the existing design, is if they pay for them as part of supporting their investment. ("Adding value", so they say.)
11:14	mircea_popescu	amazing autocorrect
11:14	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
11:15	fluffypony	robwhiz22: Why not make a competing product? You can talk to Markus about an IPO:-P
11:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61110471 BTC [+]
11:16	robwhiz22	fluffypony, as mircea_popescu and asciilifeform have shown by slipping 4 months on their delivery schedule, it is extremely difficult to bring a security product to market. Plus, it's their idea. It really would be better for them to have the proposals for their consideration. I suppose they can also share in here if they want wider feedback.
11:17	robwhiz22	fluffypony, for both of those reasons it would not make very much sense for me to take their idea and compete with them. They're just the ones to do it. (Or so I thought.)
11:17	asciilifeform	robwhiz22: if you'd offered something of value (e.g. quick-turn manufacturing capability) you would have had eager ears.
11:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.06510013 = 1.1067 BTC [+] {3}
11:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04977428 = 0.1493 BTC [-] {3}
11:18	robwhiz22	asciilifeform, I guarantee you that you will see very big value in your resulting market. In additition, no longer selling snake oil- i.e. a product that actually works in the usage cases offered - is its own reward.
11:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0497757 = 0.1493 BTC [+] {3}
11:19	robwhiz22	asciilifeform, manufacturing is actually a smaller value-add than design, because someone can always copy your finalized designs.
11:19	asciilifeform	this coming from the fellow who demanded a radio transmitter in the unit.
11:19	robwhiz22	asciilifeform, I am also not selling completed designs but rather internal high-level proposals for your consideration.
11:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.036889 = 0.1476 BTC [+]
11:21	robwhiz22	asciilifeform, this, coming from someone who isn't sure whether his chips can be reflashed over USB :)
11:21	asciilifeform	'isn't sure'
11:21	asciilifeform	now we've stepped up the game to straight lying
11:21	asciilifeform	robwhiz22: the beauty of it all is that you - and chinese ipNohe makers - any anybody - can take the design and build whatever they want. and buyers can freely choose between cardano and turdano.
11:22	fluffypony	Turdano
11:22	fluffypony	In brown
11:22	fluffypony	That's my 6th choice
11:22	asciilifeform	in brown. with openssl.
11:22	fluffypony	asciilifeform: Yes plz
11:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03689949 = 0.1476 BTC [+] {2}
11:22	fluffypony	Shipping Q4 2016
11:22	robwhiz22	asciilifeform, if you were "sure" you wouldn't have offered a bounty. The purpose of the bounty is to motivate active, friendly attack.
11:23	asciilifeform	the purpose of the bounty is to reveal silicon boobytraps. electron microscope costs more than 10 btc.
11:23	robwhiz22	asciilifeform, right.
11:24	asciilifeform	though i intend to invest in one as soon as i get more floor space.
11:25	robwhiz22	asciilifeform, there are vectors (social/business/etc) to reflashing over USB that you should think of before considering silicon boobytraps.
11:26	robwhiz22	asciilifeform, I will include an analysis of whether you can rely on your chip design which cannot be reflashed over USB, as part of the first part (the Cardano A full document).
11:28	robwhiz22	(This is a shorter document and will remain at a higher level. It is not a low-level security audit.)
11:28	asciilifeform	robwhiz22: if your objective is to get us to cough up details of supply chain logistics, go tell the fuhrer that you failed.
11:28	robwhiz22	No.
11:29	robwhiz22	I don't need any details or any input from you. The process doesn't need to be iterative.
11:29	asciilifeform	!down robwhiz22
11:29	assbot	Can't do that, asciilifeform.
11:29	asciilifeform	kakobrekla: wat.
11:29	robwhiz22	Out of my experience, it does help to receive half up-front and then half when I state the documents are prepared and show their existence and length.
11:29	pankkake	!down robwhiz22
11:29	pankkake	weird
11:29	asciilifeform	ty
11:30	kakobrekla	yes yes update cumin
11:30	asciilifeform	<robwhiz22> I didn't ask you for any details.
11:31	asciilifeform	robwhiz22> (And won't be asking for some.) I mean, I see that you are concerned whether the chips that you have selected can really be trusted not to be reflashable over USB. This will be addressed briefly in the shorter documen.t
11:31	asciilifeform	<robwhiz22> I don't need to know the details.
11:31	asciilifeform	damn the moron won't shut up.
11:31	asciilifeform	well, he can talk to the aether.
11:31	asciilifeform	the sakura leaves won't catch themselves.
11:31	pankkake	robwhiz22: just make a better cardano and let the market decide
11:32	*	asciilifeform would rather feed pigeons than trolls.
11:32	fluffypony	I agree with pankkake
11:33	fluffypony	We've just gotten to friends for supper
11:33	fluffypony	Having a lamb potjie
11:33	fluffypony	Sorry robwhiz22, you'll have to buy voice from someone else
11:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.08299776 = 0.249 BTC [-]
11:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
11:33	Anduck	!up robwhiz22
11:33	assbot	Voicing robwhiz22 for 30 minutes.
11:33	Anduck	hehehe
11:33	robwhiz22	Thank you, Anduck.
11:34	fluffypony	Cheers all
11:34	pankkake	;;rate Anduck -1 whore
11:34	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user Anduck has been recorded.
11:34	robwhiz22	asciilifeform, you have misunderstood me and I do not intend to receive any internal informatoin about your supply chain, designs, or anything else. I would just contribute based on what I have found publicly.
11:34	Anduck	behave, robwhiz22
11:34	kakobrekla	how much was it
11:34	pankkake	lol shit
11:34	pankkake	;;unrate Anduck
11:34	gribble	Successfully removed your rating for Anduck.
11:34	pankkake	I inserted a double bold character but it was stripped by the ircd. silly
11:35	Anduck	gribble'ss wise
11:35	robwhiz22	Also, ad hominem name-calling (obviously) doesn't improve designs. However, I have had bosses that swear like sailors, so I will let it slide.
11:37	ThickAsThieves	!down robwhizz22
11:37	assbot	ThickAsThieves, robwhizz22 is not voiced.
11:37	ThickAsThieves	!down robwhiz22
11:37	assbot	Can't do that, ThickAsThieves.
11:38	ThickAsThieves	curses
11:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1609 @ 0.00020067 = 0.3229 BTC [+] {6}
11:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 891 @ 0.00021208 = 0.189 BTC [+] {3}
11:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03689925 = 0.1476 BTC [-] {2}
11:41	robwhiz22	So, if someone is an investor in n.nsa they can commission the internal design proposals (and briefer security overview of the current Cardano). They can own the results until/unless N.NSA uses it, and if N.NSA never ships anything, then it won't be a total loss to the investor.
11:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8097 @ 0.00096537 = 7.8166 BTC [+]
11:43	robwhiz22	So far they have slipped over 4 months on a delivery schedule, and have a non-functional product for the usage described.
11:44	mod6	stfu, and its s.nsa
11:44	robwhiz22	OK
11:47	kakobrekla	!up cgcardona_
11:47	assbot	Voicing cgcardona_ for 30 minutes.
11:47	kakobrekla	you want smth?
11:47	cgcardona_	wondering about the 'last seen' command.
11:48	cgcardona_	wanting to see last time MGK- was around
11:48	kakobrekla	it works with gribble not assbot
11:48	kakobrekla	;;seen mgk
11:48	gribble	mgk was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 10 hours, 44 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <MGK> miner would you like me to send you some bitcoin so you can be cool too?
11:48	cgcardona_	ah cool. thnx
11:49	cgcardona_	noticed that this deal looks like it was legit https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=557874.20. Wanting to follow up on the 1btc casasius (s)he mentioned having for sale. cc/ MGK (if you happen to see this)
11:49	cgcardona_	thnx
11:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.037 = 0.148 BTC [+] {2}
11:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
11:51	dexX7	would it be possible to create a gpg targeted firmware for a trezor device?
11:52	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5182 @ 0.00096336 = 4.9921 BTC [-] {2}
12:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.15514752 BTC to 7`679 shares, 41088 satoshi per share
12:04	bounce	cgcardona_: could try ;;later tell mgk <your message here>
12:05	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/
12:05	ozbot	What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
12:05	mircea_popescu	i say that's a big deal.
12:05	cgcardona_	bounce: thanks. appreciate the help on the syntax.
12:07	cgcardona_	mircea_popescu: been wondering how that all works. will check that out as well. thx
12:07	mircea_popescu	cool.
12:09	cgcardona_	btw I finally heard back from the PiperWallet dude after a month. He said he was so slammed w/ orders that he hadn't checked his email and somehow my order got lost (sigh). Refunded me the btc and shipped the device. Should be here any day.
12:09	cgcardona_	funny he finally answered the *day after* I talked shit on twitter.
12:09	cgcardona_	basically slamming piperwallet and saying I'd never send any more btc their way. The next day I get an email w/ refund and shipped wallet
12:10	benkay	modern customer service.
12:10	cgcardona_	yea guess so
12:10	benkay	;;calc (1 + 5^.5)/2
12:10	gribble	Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
12:10	benkay	;;calc (1 + 5**.5)/2
12:11	gribble	1.61803398875
12:11	benkay	well, math still works.
12:11	cgcardona_	I heard the NSA are working on that
12:11	cgcardona_	should have it cracked any day now
12:11	cgcardona_	(math that is) ^
12:12	benkay	the little brother's new girlfriend turns out to be surprisingly difficult to discomfit.
12:12	benkay	she also does dishes.
12:13	benkay	i think she's a keeper, but we'll see over the long term.
12:14	benkay	robwhiz22: i dgaf about this 'improving the cardano' routine.
12:14	benkay	the cardano's not meant to address a large market.
12:18	Duffer1	too quiet
12:18	benkay	shut up
12:18	benkay	i was enjoying it.
12:18	Duffer1	:P
12:20	mircea_popescu	i guess time for moar tits.
12:21	nubbins`	!up robwhiz22
12:21	assbot	Voicing robwhiz22 for 30 minutes.
12:23	mircea_popescu	basically kako worked his butt off for two days to add a hamster wheel to -assets
12:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 10 @ 0.14 = 1.4 BTC
12:28	mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/IgwgX.jpg
12:29	bounce	no wings?
12:30	benkay	i was expecting tits.
12:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1668 @ 0.00095902 = 1.5996 BTC [-]
12:31	bounce	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GreatTit002.jpg
12:34	bounce	!up Mats_cd03
12:34	assbot	Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
12:34	bounce	homie? HOMIE!?!
12:35	Mats_cd03	r u mad cause i implied a racial familiarity
12:35	bounce	what's race got to do with it?
12:36	Mats_cd03	what do you mean, you people?
12:37	nubbins`	bounce, that's a set of great tits
12:37	kakobrekla	!up test303030
12:37	assbot	Insufficient rights, kakobrekla.
12:37	Mats_cd03	mp: hamlion? awesome
12:38	Mats_cd03	or is that a cat... i can't tell...
12:38	benkay	new theory
12:38	Mats_cd03	(yes i know lions are cats)
12:38	benkay	robwhiz22 is tiberius
12:39	Mats_cd03	worst con ever
12:39	benkay	guys a pro
12:39	robwhiz22	benkay, no, I am not tiberius.
12:39	benkay	(if this holds)
12:39	benkay	!down robwhiz22
12:40	benkay	i like the troll tib, not the scammer tib.
12:40	nubbins`	more of a see-saw than a hamster wheel
12:40	Mats_cd03	dude needs to practice on marks that dont know shit
12:40	benkay	this is probably the best practice the guy's had in his life.
12:40	Mats_cd03	you have to be fucking dumb to try to con anybody in here
12:40	benkay	i don't think he's actually trying to con anyone.
12:41	benkay	it's just troll stuff. occupying attention. getting people goated.
12:41	bounce	some people believe they hold up to high standards
12:41	Mats_cd03	i think so
12:41	benkay	heh.
12:41	Mats_cd03	spouting some garbage and business and social vectors as an attack against the cardano?
12:41	benkay	someone in the shop complained that i was being obtuse recently.
12:41	Mats_cd03	err ^about business
12:41	benkay	i said "think, man, think!"
12:42	benkay	"i have high standards. don't disappoint me."
12:42	benkay	"i can't possibly be explicit with all the things bound up in that."
12:42	benkay	it was some ironic comment about web vs ios software deployments.
12:42	benkay	layered, complicated.
12:42	nubbins`	power speak!
12:42	benkay	i can't possibly unpack that shit in a fast moving conversation.
12:42	kakobrekla	!up test303030
12:43	benkay	i had my power stance on too
12:43	Mats_cd03	robwhiz22: yes i know your opinion. since there are multiple vectors it would not be a loss to reveal one of many?
12:43	benkay	BALLS FORWARDS
12:43	nubbins`	heh
12:43	nubbins`	so, leaning backwards?
12:43	benkay	yeah we don't lean in around here
12:43	Mats_cd03	robwhiz22: your btc addr is saved in this log, if the cardano ends up shipping with defects i will transmit 5btc myself
12:43	benkay	the only leaning that happens is backwards as my cock gets sucked
12:43	nubbins`	https://dancingreview.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/365b92ff1d394e9915162d4e6feb815d_01.jpg
12:43	nubbins`	^ benkay at work
12:43	nubbins`	:D
12:43	benkay	haha
12:43	benkay	yess
12:44	benkay	typing upside down
12:44	kakobrekla	!up test303030
12:44	assbot	Voicing test303030 for 30 minutes.
12:44	benkay	i have a special backwards leaning standing desk
12:44	benkay	kbd taped to the bottom
12:44	nubbins`	twist: your mouth is open because someone else is power speaking at YOU
12:44	kakobrekla	!down test303030
12:44	benkay	what a twist!
12:44	benkay	ah mr back tic
12:44	benkay	you and my sides
12:44	nubbins`	that's actually a great pose
12:44	nubbins`	look at his feet
12:45	benkay	tough shit
12:45	nubbins`	nod
12:45	benkay	i have a great shaggy dog
12:45	kakobrekla	1up test303030
12:45	kakobrekla	!up test303030
12:45	assbot	Voice for test303030 extended to 30 minutes.
12:45	benkay	starts with dancing
12:45	benkay	wanted to be a ballerina
12:45	kakobrekla	!down test303030
12:45	benkay	life intervenes
12:45	benkay	still want to be a ballerina
12:45	benkay	er
12:46	kakobrekla	!up test303030
12:46	assbot	Voicing test303030 for 30 minutes.
12:46	benkay	what's the masculine version of that word?
12:46	kakobrekla	!up kakobrekla
12:46	assbot	Really, kakobrekla?
12:46	bounce	ballet dancer?
12:46	Mats_cd03	dongerina
12:46	benkay	anyways punchline is 'i still like throwing girls around - consensually' with a slow stare around the room
12:46	kakobrekla	!down kakobrekla
12:46	benkay	baller
12:46	kakobrekla	!up test303030
12:46	assbot	Voice for test303030 extended to 30 minutes.
12:46	mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 it's a ratnul
12:48	mircea_popescu	seems pretty homoerotic a pose.
12:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
12:49	nubbins`	daisy-chain for acrobats
12:49	mircea_popescu	anyway, out to enjoy teh weekend. with like, people. and humans.
12:49	mircea_popescu	catch you all laters.
12:49	kakobrekla	!up test303030
12:49	assbot	Voicing test303030 for 30 minutes.
12:49	kakobrekla	!down test303030
12:49	kakobrekla	!up test303030
12:49	assbot	Voicing test303030 for 30 minutes.
12:49	kakobrekla	!up test303030
12:49	assbot	Voice for test303030 extended to 30 minutes.
12:50	kakobrekla	!down assbott
12:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
12:51	kakobrekla	!up test303030
12:51	assbot	Voice for test303030 extended to 30 minutes.
12:51	test323232	!up kakobrekla
12:51	assbot	Insufficient rights, test323232.
12:51	test323232	!down test323232
12:52	kakobrekla	!up test323232
12:52	assbot	Voicing test323232 for 30 minutes.
12:53	bounce	go on then, you dog.
12:53	Mats_cd03	robwhiz22: on the off chance that you are not a con man, merely an idiot, consider spending more time reading the details re: the cardano that asciilifeform has provided
12:54	kakobrekla	!up test303030
12:54	assbot	Voice for test303030 extended to 30 minutes.
12:54	kakobrekla	!up test323232
12:54	assbot	Voicing test323232 for 30 minutes.
12:54	kakobrekla	!down test32
12:54	kakobrekla	!down test323232
12:54	kakobrekla	!up test323232
12:54	assbot	Voicing test323232 for 30 minutes.
12:54	kakobrekla	!down test323232
12:54	kakobrekla	!down test303030
12:54	kakobrekla	!up kakobrekla
12:54	assbot	Really, kakobrekla?
12:55	kakobrekla	!up test303030
12:55	assbot	Voicing test303030 for 30 minutes.
12:55	test323232	aa
12:55	test303030	aa
12:56	kakobrekla	!up test123123
12:56	assbot	Voicing test123123 for 30 minutes.
12:59	kakobrekla	!up testjuhu
12:59	assbot	Voicing testjuhu for 30 minutes.
13:02	kakobrekla	!up testjuhu2
13:02	assbot	Voicing testjuhu2 for 30 minutes.
13:04	kakobrekla	!up testjuhu2
13:04	assbot	Voicing testjuhu2 for 30 minutes.
13:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03689999 = 0.1107 BTC [-]
13:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04810053 = 0.1443 BTC [-]
13:04	kakobrekla	!up test323232
13:04	assbot	Voicing test323232 for 30 minutes.
13:04	Mats_cd03	robwhiz22: in fact ill match the 10btc previously offered. when the device ships, if you can hack the device or firmware, you will have 20 of the ~50btc you are asking for
13:06	kakobrekla	!up test1231
13:06	assbot	Voicing test1231 for 30 minutes.
13:06	kakobrekla	!up test323232
13:06	assbot	Voicing test323232 for 30 minutes.
13:12	kakobrekla	!up test1231
13:12	assbot	Voicing test1231 for 30 minutes.
13:14	kakobrekla	!up test1231
13:14	assbot	Voicing test1231 for 30 minutes.
13:14	kakobrekla	!up test1231
13:14	assbot	Voice for test1231 extended to 30 minutes.
13:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06521 = 0.3261 BTC [+]
13:14	kakobrekla	!up test323232
13:14	assbot	Voicing test323232 for 30 minutes.
13:16	kakobrekla	!up test323232
13:16	assbot	Voice for test323232 extended to 30 minutes.
13:16	kakobrekla	!down test323232
13:16	kakobrekla	!up test323232
13:16	assbot	Voicing test323232 for 30 minutes.
13:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05018995 = 0.1506 BTC [+]
13:21	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: Great article
13:22	fluffypony	Precisely the reason that ;;getrating still led to scammers succeeding
13:22	fluffypony	And why ;;gettrust has superseded it as default (despite being used by all who understood the wot previously)
13:24	fluffypony	Speaking of - bitcointalk's trust system is fundamentally broken - it's not a web if you only see one part of it. Are there any tools to express bitcointalk trust as a relationship model as with the wot?
13:26	pankkake	what do you mean one part?
13:27	pankkake	bitcointalk's trust is mostly useless because of defaulttrust, and the multiple entries allowed might not be a good idea either
13:28	pankkake	oh also it separated the "trust list" from the trust relationships…
13:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61499995 = 1.23 BTC [+] {2}
13:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.62508857 = 4.3756 BTC [+] {3}
13:30	fluffypony	pankkake: That's what I mean
13:30	fluffypony	You see an isolated silo if you're viewing someone's trust
13:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00580011 = 0.2494 BTC [+] {3}
13:31	fluffypony	Indeed of seeing a product of relationships
13:31	pankkake	right. and no matter what, I kinda end up having DefaultTrust somewhere
13:32	fluffypony	Which defeats the purpose of it
13:33	pankkake	I suppose you could write a tool to interpret the relationships in another way… since those are public
13:33	fluffypony	Because wot doesn't care whether you're someone who just joined or you've been around for 10 years (Karpeles-Bitcoin timeline)
13:33	fluffypony	Yes I was thinking of that
13:34	fluffypony	But considering the pile Thermosflask is sitting on...he could literally pay for it to be re-engineered from scratch and built properly
13:34	fluffypony	And linked to the wot
13:35	pankkake	;;rated theymos
13:35	gribble	You rated user theymos on Tue Apr 1 22:52:27 2014, with a rating of -2, and supplied these additional notes: Runs a forum catering to scammers, donations not used to do what he promised to.
13:36	pankkake	anyway there are things that are very easy to fix (colored ignores) that he doesn't fix, so he's voluntarily not caring
13:37	fluffypony	Yeah
13:37	fluffypony	Frustrating considering his position
13:40	benkay	fluffypony: totally understandable, given his position.
13:40	benkay	he runs the house of iniquity. why would he bring any light to the situation?
13:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.0058487 = 0.1228 BTC [+] {3}
13:45	ThickAsThieves	http://news.yahoo.com/cherry-tree-space-mystery-baffles-japan-085044593.html
13:45	ozbot	'Cherry tree from space' mystery baffles Japan - Yahoo News
13:45	ThickAsThieves	<+fluffypony> But considering the pile Thermosflask is sitting on...he could literally pay for it to be re-engineered from scratch and built properly /// yknow i kinda doubt he's still sitting on most of it
13:49	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5464 @ 0.00096695 = 5.2834 BTC [+]
13:52	benkay	;;rate mod6 1 monk of the pearl
13:52	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mod6 has been recorded.
13:56	benkay	;;rate Duffer1 BETTER DROWNED THAN DUFFERS IF NOT DUFFERS WON'T DROWN
13:56	gribble	Error: 'BETTER' is not a valid integer.
13:56	benkay	;;rate Duffer1 1 BETTER DROWNED THAN DUFFERS IF NOT DUFFERS WON'T DROWN
13:56	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Duffer1 has been recorded.
13:56	benkay	;;rate davout 1 did not 0day me
13:56	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user davout has been recorded.
13:57	benkay	;;rate kakobrekla 2 much asset
13:57	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user kakobrekla has changed from 1 to 2.
13:57	Duffer1	<3
13:58	benkay	ever read those books, Duffer1 ?
13:58	Duffer1	i haven't
13:58	Duffer1	googling now
13:58	benkay	;;rate asciilifeform 1 savvy with computation
13:58	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user asciilifeform has been recorded.
14:00	benkay	;;gettrust lampelina
14:00	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user lampelina: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=lampelina | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=lampelina | Rated since: never
14:00	benkay	c'mon, lampelina you're making us all look bad here
14:00	bounce	curious how I can ask for ANY or NEG ratings, but not for POS ratings only
14:01	Duffer1	my nick's from .. i want to say shannara series of fantasy books, one of the characters was called an old duffer
14:01	benkay	you can ask for ratings?
14:06	dexX7	well ;;gettrust is like asking for ratings?
14:07	benkay	;;gettrust dexX7
14:07	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user dexX7: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=dexX7 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=dexX7 | Rated since: Wed Oct 16 20:01:25 2013
14:08	benkay	bounce is being unclear as to whether asking to be rated or asking gribble for the ratings of people.
14:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 576 @ 0.08299776 = 47.8067 BTC [-]
14:17	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1110 @ 0.00096663 = 1.073 BTC [-]
14:27	thestringpuller	;;later tell BingoBoingo https://gist.github.com/leffuy/750a4291264fa2de03a5 as per http://trilema.com/2013/blogging-is-a-muscle-and-other-observations/
14:27	gribble	The operation succeeded.
14:28	thestringpuller	benkay: seems robwhiz22 provided plenty of lulz no?
14:28	bounce	asking b-otc.com for the list of someone's {received,sent} ratings. has a parameter that lets you only show negative ratings or all ratings, but not just the positive ratings
14:30	benkay	bounce some api?
14:30	benkay	i just sort by rating when i'm curious
14:31	fluffypony	scrape the html?
14:32	bounce	actually using the json version of same, yes. and yes, it's fairly trivial to do the filtering. just noticed that it does give you ways to filter, only the available criteria are exactly not what I need
14:32	benkay	just give me all the data yo
14:32	benkay	i'll filter it how i want it kthxbai
14:32	benkay	thestringpuller: much lulz
14:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05049999 = 0.101 BTC [+] {2}
14:37	bounce	;;gettrust assbot magicaltux
14:37	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user magicaltux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -6 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=magicaltux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=magicaltux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010
14:38	bounce	one positive, so he'd still get to !up himself.
14:38	fluffypony	lol
14:40	kakobrekla	;;rate lampelina 3 she will not run with the money
14:40	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user lampelina has been recorded.
14:40	benkay	;;gettrust lampeline
14:40	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user lampeline: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=lampeline | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=lampeline | Rated since: never
14:40	benkay	;;gettrust lampelina
14:40	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask lampelina!~lampi@unaffiliated/lampelina. Trust relationship from user benkay to user lampelina: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=lampelina | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=lampelina | Rated since: Sat Apr 12 14:40:11 2014
14:41	benkay	;;rate lampelina 1 has not yet run with the money
14:41	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user lampelina has been recorded.
14:41	benkay	with gpg toolchain req'd for voice, wot should spread nicely.
14:43	benkay	;;gettrust magicaltux
14:43	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user magicaltux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=magicaltux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=magicaltux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010
14:43	benkay	;;getrating magicaltux
14:43	gribble	Use the gettrust command instead. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Relying_on_the_rating
14:44	benkay	;;gettrust magicaltux
14:44	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user magicaltux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=magicaltux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=magicaltux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010
14:44	benkay	bounce gotta have positive ratings to self-up
14:44	benkay	kakobrekla: confirm ^^ plz?
14:45	kakobrekla	m?
14:45	kakobrekla	lvl 1 or lvl 2 to assbot must be > 0
14:46	kakobrekla	either one >0 will do
14:48	benkay	magicaltux cannot in that case self-voice. lvl 1 = 0, lvl 2 = -2.
14:48	bounce	your powers of deduction elude you
14:48	benkay	it is early
14:48	benkay	what ams rong?
14:49	benkay	;;gettrust assbot magicaltux
14:49	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user magicaltux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -6 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=magicaltux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=magicaltux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010
14:49	bounce	now bring up that graph
14:49	benkay	so?
14:49	benkay	he's a -6 at level2.
14:49	bounce	yeah. but only the positives count.
14:50	benkay	what?
14:50	benkay	i'm pretty sure that's what kakobrekla means when he says > 0
14:51	kakobrekla	Level 1: 0, Level 2: -6
14:51	bounce	in that case I need to re-do the calculation in the script. oh well.
14:51	kakobrekla	-6 should be > 0 or 0 should be > 0
14:51	kakobrekla	i dunno how to make it more clear
14:52	bounce	dunno where the misunderstanding crept in earlier then. let's fix it.
14:52	benkay	haha
14:52	benkay	"programming is the art of telling people what you want the computer to do."
14:53	kakobrekla	hm
14:53	kakobrekla	i think im done with the new code more or less
14:53	kakobrekla	gonna switch in a minute, and lets see if it explodes
14:54	bounce	people waffle a lot. curiously, khersonus came up with a mostly identical list, making the same error
15:04	kakobrekla	it should not give you the right to !down until you re-!up
		↖
15:04	kakobrekla	or something.
15:05	bounce	how so?
15:05	fluffypony	bed time, cheers
15:05	kakobrekla	just the way it works bounce , its a one time thing
15:06	kakobrekla	also i could down you until you do so
15:06	kakobrekla	i think.
15:12	punkman	;;view 20308
15:12	gribble	#20308 Sat Apr 12 15:09:56 2014 punkman SELL 1.0 code @ 0.1 btc (Will code (py,php,js,css,other) for BTC.)
15:12	bounce	hypothetically speaking, if assbot rates b with -1, do any ratings of b to c count positively for c?
15:12	bounce	as in, how you implemented it.
15:14	kakobrekla	that is really depends on wot implementation which i didnt do
15:14	kakobrekla	but i think the answer is no?
15:14	kakobrekla	perhaps find an example
15:14	kakobrekla	;;gettrust kakobrekla magicaltux
15:14	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user magicaltux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -4 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=magicaltux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=magicaltux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010
15:15	kakobrekla	;;rated magicaltux
15:15	gribble	You have not yet rated user magicaltux
15:15	bounce	assbot does a ;;gettrust to gribble, or what does it do?
15:15	kakobrekla	yes
15:15	kakobrekla	;;gettrust assbot kakobrekla
15:15	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla. Trust relationship from user assbot to user kakobrekla: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 7 via 7 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=kakobrekla | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=kakobrekla | Rated since: Fri May 13 18:50:53 2011
15:15	kakobrekla	liek dat
15:19	thestringpuller	;;ident
15:19	gribble	Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
15:25	bounce	then I get 429 names. time for a new list.
15:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0659994 = 0.264 BTC [+]
15:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05049999 = 0.2525 BTC [+]
15:45	bounce	http://pastebin.ca/2695190 now for figuring out what to put in the "via" list again
15:45	kakobrekla	130 ppl
15:46	kakobrekla	how much was it before?
15:46	bounce	I count 429, and it was, er, 437 before
15:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05049999 = 0.2525 BTC [+]
15:48	bounce	magicaltux, fbastage, gigavpx, gmaxwell, komododragon, lucidlepidoptera, mtgox, ne0futur, and topace went out, bitdragon and lampelina got added (due to getting +1 later)
15:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05049999 = 0.2525 BTC [+]
15:48	bounce	s/vpx/vps/
15:49	joecool	??
15:52	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27433 @ 0.00096416 = 26.4498 BTC [-]
15:58	kakobrekla	there ya go benkay , you made the front of bitcoin-assets.com
15:59	benkay	*fist pumps*
15:59	benkay	micro utility delivered
15:59	kakobrekla	:)
16:04	kakobrekla	ha, was about to edit the wiki and i see pankkake beat me to it. gj!
16:05	pankkake	about wot?
16:05	kakobrekla	mhm :)
		~ 17 minutes ~
16:22	mircea_popescu	fluffypony the btctalk wot is broken discussion was carried when thermos first made it. the conclusion pretty much went like "well it's not really all that broken, in that you can remove him from your trust line. a default population is useful cause derps otherwise wouldn';t even understand wtf it is"
16:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22011 @ 0.00096249 = 21.1854 BTC [-] {2}
16:30	mircea_popescu	<bounce> one positive, so he'd still get to !up himself. << i don't think so. the total is negative.
16:30	mircea_popescu	;;rate lampelina 1 Kako vouches for her up to over 9000 bitcoinz provided it's to buy shoes and things.
16:30	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user lampelina has been recorded.
16:33	mircea_popescu	!up keonne
16:33	assbot	Insufficient rights, mircea_popescu.
16:33	mircea_popescu	eh wtf
16:34	mircea_popescu	I R TAKE THIS AS A PERSONAL INSURT
16:34	benkay	personal insert
16:34	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla didja break it meanwhile ?
16:34	benkay	!up keonne
16:34	assbot	Insufficient rights, benkay.
16:34	benkay	!down keonne
16:34	assbot	Insufficient rights, benkay.
16:34	benkay	!up benkay
16:34	assbot	Insufficient rights, benkay.
16:35	benkay	well this is not quite asspected.
16:35	mircea_popescu	amazing asspic
16:35	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
16:35	mircea_popescu	for the unrefined palates :
16:35	mircea_popescu	;;google aspic
16:35	gribble	Aspic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspic>; The Icky Era of Aspic » Sociological Images - The Society Pages: <http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/02/15/the-icky-era-of-aspic/>; Aspic - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary: <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/aspic>
16:36	nubbins`	wow
16:37	benkay	not to be confused with asdic
16:37	jurov	kako revoked wrryone
16:37	jurov	*erryone
16:37	benkay	;;google asdic
16:37	gribble	ASDIC / Sonar - Technical pages - Fighting the U-boats - uboat.net: <http://uboat.net/allies/technical/asdic.htm>; Sonar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonar>; Asdic - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary: <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/asdic>
16:39	mircea_popescu	khersonus to scoop is journo lingo, it denotes the act of someone beating you to the punch. dun how illiterate louts speak, like in "I dun name dis hill D’Andre Mountain!"
16:40	mircea_popescu	!protest this inequity
16:47	kakobrekla	yes mircea_popescu i fixed it
16:47	mircea_popescu	!up keonne
16:47	assbot	Insufficient rights, mircea_popescu.
16:47	mircea_popescu	lies
16:47	mircea_popescu	and slander.
16:48	kakobrekla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2014#620809
16:48	ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log
16:48	khersonus	mircea_popescu: I know, I just found it amusing that you phrased it like that (I'd expect it more from a US southerner)
16:49	mircea_popescu	o wait cause he was voiced already ?
16:49	mircea_popescu	mno
16:49	mircea_popescu	khersonus :p
16:49	khersonus	btw, do you use a wordpress plugin for footnotes or something you wrote?
16:49	kakobrekla	just !up yourself on pm and all will be ok
16:50	kakobrekla	its a one time thing
16:50	kakobrekla	then up and down should werk
16:50	kakobrekla	so far noone has done that cept me
16:50	mircea_popescu	khersonus it's a plugin. wp-footnotes
16:51	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2011/pluginuri-wordpress-utile/ << there's the list of all the plugins i use, linked
16:51	ozbot	Pluginuri wordpress utile pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
16:51	kakobrekla	btw mircea_popescu your shoes comment made lampelina pissy.
16:51	mircea_popescu	imo vely useful.
16:51	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla aww why!
16:51	khersonus	mircea_popescu: I saw that, but it hadn't been updated for quite some time, but if it works for you it'll work for me
16:51	kakobrekla	"if he would mention pursues i would slap him when i see him."
16:51	mircea_popescu	!up keonne
16:51	assbot	Voicing keonne for 30 minutes.
16:51	mircea_popescu	a cool
16:51	lampelina	khersonus, you don't need a plugin http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2013/02/26/creating-footnotes-in-wordpress/
16:52	mircea_popescu	lampelina whai so violent
16:52	lampelina	might work for you too mircea_popescu :)
16:52	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla now i know why i wear a beard.
16:52	kakobrekla	lel
16:52	khersonus	lampelina: yeah, but that requires more work... I saw that page too though
16:52	lampelina	I'm not violent, just trying to help
16:52	mircea_popescu	lol
16:53	asciilifeform	;;ident
16:53	lampelina	more plugins, slower WP
16:53	gribble	Nick 'asciilifeform', with hostmask 'asciilifeform!~asciilife@pool-71-191-246-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net', is identified as user 'asciilifeform', with GPG key id B98228A001ABFFC7, key fingerprint 17215D118B7239507FAFED98B98228A001ABFFC7, and bitcoin address None
16:53	khersonus	lampelina: (help appreciated :) )
16:54	asciilifeform	;;rate kakobrekla 3 maker of high-quality spammicide.
16:54	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user kakobrekla has been recorded.
16:55	kakobrekla	thank you, the reward should really go to all spammiciders
16:58	mircea_popescu	http://www.mimiboutique.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/cheylas_studded_bag_papaya1-720x720.jpg
16:59	kakobrekla	is the nekkid chick behind the bag?
16:59	mircea_popescu	that's a carryall
17:00	bounce	re list of !up-able nicks, turns out we both got the math wrong. hence new and slightly shorter list and a little more work adding the numbers.
17:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 319 @ 0.00068999 = 0.2201 BTC [+]
17:04	mircea_popescu	bounce graphs. it's like... the one thing you'll for sure get someone with.
17:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 314 @ 0.00068999 = 0.2167 BTC [+]
17:04	mircea_popescu	.bait with purses pls
17:05	ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcfedyMlLh1rhboewo1_500.gif
17:05	mircea_popescu	i r disappoint ozbot
17:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1095 @ 0.00069255 = 0.7583 BTC [+] {3}
17:07	bounce	no gd here. where did I have gd again?
17:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 485 @ 0.00069999 = 0.3395 BTC [+] {3}
17:09	mircea_popescu	http://24.media.tumblr.com/42d9287b1d61c7cd9017c4b8ca023631/tumblr_n0803lmgg11ssm832o1_500.jpg
17:11	nubbins`	!up robwhiz22
17:11	assbot	Insufficient rights, nubbins`.
17:11	nubbins`	smd
17:12	kakobrekla	nubbins` up yourself first
17:12	kakobrekla	on pvt
17:12	nubbins`	i did hours ago!
17:12	nubbins`	!up robwhiz22
17:12	assbot	Voicing robwhiz22 for 30 minutes.
17:12	kakobrekla	its a one time thing since i change the sys
17:12	nubbins`	aha.
17:12	nubbins`	realized as soon as i said
17:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 332 @ 0.00073499 = 0.244 BTC [+]
17:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00073499 = 0.147 BTC [+]
17:13	joecool	nubbins`: what mobile provider you using in nfld atm?
17:14	nubbins`	robwhiz22: serendipitously, trilema just published an article that touches on the topics we discussed earlier regarding why i won't rate you
17:14	nubbins`	http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/
17:14	ozbot	What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
17:14	nubbins`	joecool: telus
17:14	asciilifeform	now he wants a wot rating? the balls!
17:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.000735 = 0.147 BTC [+]
17:15	joecool	nubbins`: ah ok, trying to see who has it pretty well covered out there, my carrier (wind) is regional, i usually used rogers prepaid for traveling to montreal and middle of nowhere places
17:15	nubbins`	rogers has terrible coverage here
17:15	nubbins`	bell and telus share an LTE network, island-wide coverage
17:15	nubbins`	rogers works in the cities and along the TCH, and pretty much nowhere else
17:16	joecool	the plans just suck for any of the big 3 :(
17:16	nubbins`	i renegotiated the last time my contract was up, my plan isn't terrible
17:17	nubbins`	public offerings are weak tho
17:17	joecool	i use ~30gb/mo in the US on t-mo and at&t, and close to 10gb on wind up here
17:17	nubbins`	wow
17:17	nubbins`	i might get close to 1gb a few months a year
17:17	nubbins`	asciilifeform: just so he can up himself tho, natch ;)
17:23	joecool	nubbins`: tbh i'm fine with HSPA coverage so long as i can actually use it, 1gb is pretty easy to go through in a day (well a couple hours)
17:23	mircea_popescu	jesus god limited data for your cell ?!
17:23	joecool	my at&t plan is ~$35/mo per line for unlimited hspa
17:23	mircea_popescu	why even have one ?!
17:24	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: afaik, no u.s. carrier will sell unlimited (or even 'unlimited') wireless data for any price a human might pay
17:24	joecool	asciilifeform: you are wrong
17:24	mircea_popescu	the inanity.
17:24	asciilifeform	i certainly hope to be proven wrong
17:24	joecool	i have unlimited on at&t and t-mobile, though my at&t plan might be slightly dishonest by some measure
17:24	asciilifeform	unlimited or 'unlimited' ?
17:25	Anduck	hahaha
17:25	joecool	namely i buy a phone sold outside the US market and provision it as a featurephone
17:25	jurov	lol what do you do with the phone? i rarely overstep 500M soft monthly limit
17:25	Anduck	in finland almost all 3g/4g are unlimited
17:25	joecool	asciilifeform: i have used as much as 60gb in a month on at&t without coming subject to a throttle
17:25	joecool	jurov: tethering and music streaming (mostly the latter)
17:26	joecool	t-mobile offers unlimited for $70 (might be $80 now) plus a bunch of other perks (unlimited text and 2G roaming international is nice)
17:26	joecool	but the coverage sucks compared to at&t
17:27	joecool	in canada i have a regional carrier called wind for $30/mo they have fake unlimited that throttles after 10gb
17:27	joecool	all of the above have no contracts
17:27	joecool	well, no term i should say
17:28	asciilifeform	where i live, sprint co. used to sell 'unlimited' modems, but go and try to actually use. speeds analogous to traditional landline modems, in practice.
17:29	joecool	asciilifeform: with at&t i get ~6mbit/s majority of the time, drops into the 1-2mbit/s range if signal is crappy or its around rush hour
17:29	joecool	t-mobile is a wide range of speeds going up into the 30mbit/s or so range when i hit LTE
17:29	joecool	i haven't gotten into any zones that are using 15mhz or 20mhz LTE yet, just 10mhz
17:30	joecool	wind is a hspa+ network i see ~10mbit/s in practice
17:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 192 @ 0.00587132 = 1.1273 BTC [+] {5}
17:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 122 @ 0.60069569 = 73.2849 BTC [-] {6}
17:41	robwhiz22	Hi, this channel flashed. I think it's ridiculous to voice me only if I am spoken to.
17:42	kakobrekla	nubbins` suggested a solution to this.
17:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-]
17:54	benkay	huehuehue
18:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03499999 = 0.175 BTC [-]
18:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05018656 = 0.2509 BTC [-]
18:10	cgcardona_	sweet. i can speak.
18:10	kakobrekla	its like health. you take it for granted until you lose it.
18:10	benkay	http://www.nilsschneider.net/2013/01/28/recovering-bitcoin-private-keys.html
18:10	ozbot	Recovering Bitcoin private keys using weak signatures from the blockchain / Nils Schneider
18:11	cgcardona_	totally
18:12	kakobrekla	http://xkcd.com/221/
18:12	ozbot	xkcd: Random Number
18:12	kakobrekla	gotta save resources on mobile devices.
18:13	benkay	it was picked randomly!
18:13	nubbins`	kakobrekla i suggested a solution to something?!
18:13	nubbins`	what sorcery is this
18:13	jurov	fluffypony yea thermos gave most of the stash away: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/looking-for-people-to-store-some-of-the-forums-money.82849/page-10#post-1549423
18:14	nubbins`	jurov lel +!
18:14	nubbins`	+1 even!
18:15	jurov	http://bitbet.us/bet/314/bitcointalk-org-treasurer-to-be-scammer-tagged/ i made the bet then
18:15	ozbot	BitBet - Bitcointalk.org treasurer to be scammer tagged
18:15	jurov	and then they discontinued scammer tags
18:15	benkay	ouch.
18:15	jurov	interesting coincidence :)
18:15	nubbins`	;D
18:16	kakobrekla	is there any word any of these people still have ze money
18:17	nubbins`	john k disappeared a few times
18:17	nubbins`	haven't really kept up on it
18:18	kakobrekla	but he is not on the list
18:18	nubbins`	"john"
18:18	jurov	that's another john?
18:18	nubbins`	can't be
18:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 68 @ 0.58053655 = 39.4765 BTC [-] {10}
18:18	jurov	i guess john as john, all are the saem :DDD
18:19	nubbins`	well, i mean, it can be. but john k had 1k btc of the forum's money
18:19	jurov	;;ud john
18:19	gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=John | "i am soooo confused about what to do about John..he is great..but confusingggg. he constantly makes me sad, angryy, or depressed. its upsetting. is it worth it?
18:19	ozbot	Urban Dictionary: John
18:19	jurov	lmao
18:20	nubbins`	confusinggggggg!
18:20	nubbins`	angryyyyy!
18:28	asciilifeform	!up robwhiz22
18:28	assbot	Insufficient rights, asciilifeform.
18:28	asciilifeform	!up asciilifeform
18:28	assbot	Insufficient rights, asciilifeform.
18:29	asciilifeform	bah
18:29	asciilifeform	!up robwhiz22
18:29	assbot	Voicing robwhiz22 for 30 minutes.
18:29	asciilifeform	Let there be spam.
18:30	nubbins`	cheap sneakers rolex oakley nike rayban vacations pm me for details
18:30	asciilifeform	Spam Like a Pro In 21 Days! (tm)
18:30	nubbins`	0.99btc/min standard long distance rates apply
18:30	robwhiz22	thanks, asciilifeform
18:30	jurov	Amazing! V I A G R A as Low as BTC 0.033 .
18:31	nubbins`	turn your peanut into a banana!
18:31	robwhiz22	Let there be no spam.
18:31	nubbins`	;/
18:31	benkay	turn your spam into sirloin!
18:31	nubbins`	fun fact, spam is a healthy mixture of ham and pork shoulder
18:32	nubbins`	just with salt instead of health
18:32	robwhiz22	spam is a "healthy" mixture of "ham" and "pork"..."shoulder"
18:32	artifexd	asciilifeform: Sprint still sells unlimited (not "unlimited") data and their network continues to get better. It might be worthwhile to recheck Sprint's coverage of your area.
18:32	nubbins`	there y'go
18:33	nubbins`	i've got about 20 pounds of pork shoulder in my freezer. perfect fat/muscle ratio for making sausages.
18:33	nubbins`	terrible for roasts
18:33	asciilifeform	artifexd: thanks - i might, if i ever need a field modem again
18:33	robwhiz22	!down nubbins`
18:33	assbot	Insufficient rights, robwhiz22.
18:33	nubbins`	you can't !down the aristocracy!
18:33	benkay	down with the aristocracy!
18:33	asciilifeform	they're great for work sites with fascist admins
18:34	nubbins`	oh fuck
18:34	nubbins`	i just remembered
18:34	robwhiz22	back later
18:34	nubbins`	i ordered a new sausage stuffing horn and it arrived yesterday
18:34	nubbins`	thirty fuckin dollars for 20 cents of plastic
18:34	artifexd	I use them for my day to day cell phone. Some people have issues. They have been good to me in my area. Of course, so has Comcast.
18:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06521005 = 0.6521 BTC [-] {2}
18:35	nubbins`	$24 alone was "express" shipping, only option available
18:35	nubbins`	anyway
18:35	nubbins`	rum, music
18:35	nubbins`	peace
18:36	bounce	3d printers with food-grade plastics available?
18:36		ooh
18:36		I still have +v
18:36		magic
18:43	asciilifeform	!up TestingUnoDosTre
18:43	assbot	Voicing TestingUnoDosTre for 30 minutes.
18:43	TestingUnoDosTre	that urban dictionary of John was ridiculous
18:57	robwhiz22	I'm back
18:58		oh good
18:58		we were worried
18:58	robwhiz22	asciilifeform, I asked you - Have you also seen my emails to Polimedia?
18:58	robwhiz22	asciilifeform, http://pastebin.com/PmB4GvAd and http://pastebin.com/gJXyvXgd were my two emails
18:58	asciilifeform	nubbins (?) posted these earlier.
18:59	benkay	yeah good work mr back tick
19:01	asciilifeform	!up robwhiz22
19:01	assbot	Voicing robwhiz22 for 30 minutes.
19:01	robwhiz22	thanks
19:01	robwhiz22	Yes, I would have expected you to see them when I came in here to follow up (as that was the only reply I received from Mr. Popescu).
19:02	robwhiz22	But at any rate if this is the forum where any serious business negotiation goes on, so be it.
19:03	jurov	robwhiz22: you failed to mention MITM via evil brain implants or such interference
19:03	jurov	it also makes cardano unusable
19:04	jurov	oh and what about telekinesis?
19:05	robwhiz22	Well, to be fair, I didn't expect it to be posted publicly so I did not clean it up for public disclosure. Since then I've also had to explain the mitigation on point 2.
19:05	TestingUnoDosTre	Has anyone here even been notified of a suspicious attempt to login to a google account?
19:05	robwhiz22	It was supposed to just be a summaary so, you know, I'm not just claiming to have something.
19:06	robwhiz22	TestingUnoDosTre, yes, definitely.
19:06	TestingUnoDosTre	I just received my first one, and I had no two-factor login. Very worried that my data was compromised
19:07	benkay	any data you have on google anything was compromised long ago, TestingUnoDosTre
19:07	robwhiz22	Why don't you check which IP's have accessed it? Google tracks and shows you.
19:07	TestingUnoDosTre	their list is extremely short - where is an extensive one?
19:07	robwhiz22	https://support.google.com/mail/answer/45938?hl=en
19:07	ozbot	Last account activity - Gmail Help
19:09	TestingUnoDosTre	so I went here , https://security.google.com/settings/security/activity and there's only like 10 entries. all but one are from today
19:10	joecool	!up assbot
19:10	assbot	I don't do bots, joecool.
19:10	TestingUnoDosTre	"Sign-in events unavailable prior to this date. Other activity below."
19:10	asciilifeform	TestingUnoDosTre: have you sinned, used TOR? that'll set it off.
19:11	TestingUnoDosTre	unfortunately I haven't lost my Torginity
19:11	joecool	hm apparently i have a login from germany on one of my google accts
19:11	robwhiz22	asciilifeform, why is tor sinning?
19:11	joecool	interesting
19:12	TestingUnoDosTre	joecool, can you give me the link?
19:12	joecool	TestingUnoDosTre: to the ip it was signed in from?
19:12		anyone not using 2factor when available is stupid.
19:12		#justsayin
19:13	TestingUnoDosTre	I know, retardville over here
19:13	joecool	yeah i have 2fa on it
19:13	asciilifeform	;;google tor heartbleed
19:13	gribble	NSA knew about Heartbleed for two years - Bloomberg — RT USA: <http://rt.com/usa/nsa-knew-heartbleed-hacking-years-004/>; DO NOT USE TOR RIGHT NOW. HEARTBLEED IS AFFECTING ALL ...: <http://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/22k76z/do_not_use_tor_right_now_heartbleed_is_affecting/>; If You Want Privacy or Anonymity or Security, Stay Off the Internet ...: (1 more message)
19:13	joecool	i wonder if it's just picking up a t-mobile ip as germany
19:13		TestingUnoDosTre, even if you don't use the app and just get the text message
19:13		joecool, its possible
19:13	joecool	nope, it's choopa, that's my VPN
19:13		probably one of their asshole proxies
19:13		oh
19:14	kakobrekla	damn
19:14		water
19:14		bridge
19:14		electricity
19:14	kakobrekla	30 mins goes by much faster than i thought originally.
19:14		lol
19:14		30 minutes goes by in about 30 minutes
19:14	asciilifeform	!up TestingUnoDosTre
19:14	assbot	Voicing TestingUnoDosTre for 30 minutes.
19:14	bounce	o_O? this is IRC, man.
19:15		kakobrekla, what if it was an idle timeout?
19:15	mike_c	kakobrekla: i am +1 for extending that time, because they can always be downed if necessary.
19:15		mike_c: why you gotta be a downer?
19:15	mike_c	born that way i suppose
19:16	benkay	!up robwhiz22
19:16	assbot	Insufficient rights, benkay.
19:16		!up robwhiz22
19:16	assbot	Insufficient rights, [\\\].
19:16	asciilifeform	gotta up yourself first, i think
19:16	*	bounce points out that encourages yapping more than SingTFU and chipping in only when something to say
19:16	benkay	i am the fuck upped.
19:16	kakobrekla	yea, what ascii sez
19:16		asciilifeform: I am upped
19:16		lol
19:16	kakobrekla	nah
19:16	kakobrekla	on pvt
19:17	benkay	i did.
19:17	kakobrekla	its a new code
19:17		ah, ok
19:17	kakobrekla	just do it
19:17	joecool	!up [\\\]
19:17	assbot	Voicing [\\\] for 30 minutes.
19:17	joecool	lawl
19:17	kakobrekla	lel.
19:17	benkay	!up robwhiz22
19:17	assbot	Voice for robwhiz22 extended to 30 minutes.
19:17		uping me in channel has always worked
19:17		in pm it fails
19:17	kakobrekla	still ?
19:17		just tried
19:17		I say !up
19:17	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.0009601 = 7.3928 BTC [-]
19:17		no response
19:17	robwhiz22	I have voice now
19:18		!down [\\\]
19:18	robwhiz22	FWIW
19:18	joecool	works
19:18	benkay	wow
19:18	robwhiz22	It's probably because \ is an escape in whatever scripting language this bot is hacked together in :) :)
19:18	benkay	assbot kicks on downs now?
19:18	bounce	;;echo !down gribble
19:18	gribble	!down gribble
19:18	benkay	HAW
19:18	kakobrekla	if you down yourself benkay :)
19:19	kakobrekla	wait whut
19:19	asciilifeform	since my original paste on how robwhiz22 tried to persuade me to include heartbleed in cardano has been censored (!), here's a new one, of same: http://pastebin.com/yvhVVs7C
19:19	kakobrekla	oh yeah i see what u did there. fuck you and your bots.
19:20		nanotube, disable gribble echo in here please
19:20	robwhiz22	asciilifeform, I have not given you any recommendations that are low-level enough to match that description.
19:20	kakobrekla	ill fix it on my end i guess
19:20	joecool	wat you can down other people?
19:20	asciilifeform	wifi
19:20	kakobrekla	also add optional argument for time in minutes
19:20	asciilifeform	we're not idiots.
19:20	joecool	!down benkay
19:20	assbot	Insufficient rights, joecool.
19:20		!down urmom
19:20	benkay	outta my face.
19:20	robwhiz22	asciilifeform, moreover I always state my reasoning and am not associated with a group - the NSA M.O. is to just silently give directions on what to do.
19:20		!down assbot
19:20	assbot	I don't do bots, [\\\].
19:20	mike_c	<+kakobrekla> also add optional argument for time in minutes << perfect.
19:21		!up gribble
19:21	assbot	I don't do bots, [\\\].
19:21		yes you do you liar
19:21	kakobrekla	take it on pm you two
19:21		lol
19:21	asciilifeform	whether our helpful friend tried to persuade me out of the goodness of his heart, or on orders from fuhrer, is immaterial.
19:21	robwhiz22	asciilifeform, nobody cares about your pastebin
19:21	asciilifeform	the act might be more convincing without the begging bit
19:22	asciilifeform	somebody cared enough to zap it.
19:22	robwhiz22	asciilifeform, your pastebin was removed?
19:22	asciilifeform	aye.
19:22	benkay	au contraire, robwhiz22. that pastebin's damning.
19:23	pankkake	http://money.cnn.com/2014/04/11/technology/amazon-pay-to-quit/index.html
19:23	ozbot	Amazon offers employees $5,000 to quit - Apr. 11, 2014
19:23	robwhiz22	You never change "Paste expiration" from the default, Never?
19:23	robwhiz22	(I often change it to a day or an hour or whatever)
19:23	kakobrekla	which pastebin was removed?
19:23	robwhiz22	Couldn't it have just expired?
19:23	benkay	this is a distraction from the damning pastebin itself.
19:23	asciilifeform	no expire, afaik.
19:24	benkay	irrelevant.
19:24	bounce	!up moiety
19:24	assbot	Voicing moiety for 30 minutes.
19:24	robwhiz22	asciilifeform, link me in the bitcoin-assets log (http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/) where you included a pastebin that was zapped.
19:24	moiety	ty
19:24	robwhiz22	This is interesting.
19:24	asciilifeform	search the logs
19:24	asciilifeform	this is tiring.
19:24	benkay	a wild moiety!
19:25	benkay	;;gettrust moiety
19:25	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask moiety!~moiety@unaffiliated/moiety. Trust relationship from user benkay to user moiety: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=moiety | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=moiety | Rated since: Tue Feb 25 20:04:56 2014
19:25	robwhiz22	asciilifeform, fine. But I think if you're saying a link was zapped it would make sense to mention it.
19:25	moiety	;; rate assbot 1 rawr
19:25	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user assbot has been recorded.
19:25	bounce	now for the !up self tekneeq
19:25	benkay	moiety if you're idented, you can /query assbot and !up in there
19:26	robwhiz22	asciilifeform, for what it's worth I am not associated with any agency - my analysis, and follow-on proposal, is my own. Moreover some parts are high-level and you will have to repeat some of the work you've done if you so choose.
19:26	moiety	i'm just catching up, all working fine?
19:26	TestingUnoDosTre	if you were a really good amazon employee, wouldn't you just quit for like 2 weeks and then come back?
19:26	benkay	no asciilifeform insists on !upping ninjashogun
19:26	kakobrekla	lel
19:26	mircea_popescu	o look its a moiety
19:26	robwhiz22	asciilifeform, I can tell you that for others who have purchased services like this from me they have been extremely pleased with the results. But I can't do weeks of work on spec. (without payment.)
19:26	benkay	!down robwhiz22
19:26	asciilifeform	afaik any one of you here can re-gag him if he continues to abuse hospitality
19:26	benkay	enough of this.
19:26	moiety	thanks for assbotting me kakobrekla :P
19:26	asciilifeform	there we go
19:26	mircea_popescu	<cgcardona_> sweet. i can speak. << wd.
19:26	moiety	hi mircea_popescu :) how are you?
19:27	moiety	thanks benkay, i has me pm to assbot oot already XD
19:27	mircea_popescu	pretty great.
19:28	mircea_popescu	<benkay> down with the aristocracy! << don't haet, emulaet
19:28	mike_c	downed before he got to explain his "HCI interaction paradigm". that sounded very meta to me. interacting with human-computer interaction.
19:29	benkay	what am i doing if not emulating, eh?
19:29	benkay	mike_c: i swear to god
19:29	moiety	procrastinating?
19:29	kakobrekla	sure thing moiety , you deserve it.
19:29	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i swear to god if you up that nimrod one more time ima shoot him on general principle
19:29	moiety	glad to hear it mircea_popescu i've been away a wee bit
19:30	mike_c	hah. one of the best lines in the movie.
19:30	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i was hoping he'd go into 'tilt' and cough up the truth.
19:30	benkay	i hold there's no truth to be had, asciilifeform.
19:30	mircea_popescu	<[\\\]> kakobrekla, what if it was an idle timeout? << bad fuckin idea srsly. let people get in the wot
19:30	mike_c	occum says he is just your run of the mill beggar.
19:30	moiety	cheers kakobrekla :D ... gribble has kittenlasers, can assbot have manul lasers someday?
19:30	asciilifeform	i tend to give folks the benefit of the doubt, and imagine that they are clever (if devious) than merely stupid
19:31	asciilifeform	(too much obvious stupid in the world as it is)
19:31	mircea_popescu	and mike_c : downin' ain't the same thing as just ignoring it.
19:31	asciilifeform	<robwhiz22> I see that Mircau is getting defensive - as well he should as he is hocking snake oil at the moment.
19:31	mircea_popescu	also. occam!
19:31	benkay	mircea_popescu: commons trasher.
19:31	benkay	hawking, robwhiz22
19:31	mircea_popescu	i hope you won't be spelling my name as mirceau once i'm dead or some shit.
19:31	asciilifeform	gotta figure out the filter on me irc widget.
19:32	benkay	meer-cow
19:32	mircea_popescu	worst thing in the fucking world, derps make you a statue, misspell your name on it
19:32	mike_c	occum is occam's little known cousin.
19:32	benkay	/ignore, asciilifeform
19:32	moiety	"You, are the dude in the chair; I am, merely here"
19:32	mircea_popescu	moiety come again ?
19:32	moiety	sry random film quote
19:32	asciilifeform	'robwhiz22 added to ignore list.'
19:32	asciilifeform	neato
19:32	asciilifeform	thx
19:33	mircea_popescu	<kakobrekla> also add optional argument for time in minutes << no, srsly. bad idea.
19:33	mike_c	why? with a reasonable cap?
19:33	benkay	yw
19:34	bounce	which film?
19:34	mircea_popescu	mike_c because the requisite for working power is limited power.
19:34	benkay	it's limited by others in the channel.
19:35	mircea_popescu	that's a different story. derps thought the us can work like that, too.
19:35	mircea_popescu	turns out... it doesn't.
19:36	mircea_popescu	mike_c is he a younger cousin that's known or just a cousin that's not so well known ?
19:37	mike_c	sorry, to be clear, occum is occam's famous midget cousin.
19:37	*	mircea_popescu feels niggum could end up mixed in there
19:37	moiety	http://youtu.be/_O6bWb7oEuE?t=45s sorry took me a while to find it
19:37	ozbot	Spudgun job interview - YouTube
19:37	moiety	http://youtu.be/_O6bWb7oEuE?t=40s this bit even
19:37	ozbot	Spudgun job interview - YouTube
19:40	bounce	thanks. probably still should sit down and see that thing
19:41	mircea_popescu	check it out, dick had it :
19:41	mircea_popescu	"Very difficult. That's very difficult, do you understand? It's difficult because you're selling to a particular group. Fat cats. Big shots. Guys who can afford $200k. And guys who can use a whole fucking suitcase full of cocaine. Basically, Clarence, guys I don't know. And guys you don't know. And more importantly, they don't know you."
19:42	mircea_popescu	true romance (tarantino cut) goes on teh videography of -assets
19:45	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.0009632 = 21.2867 BTC [+] {3}
19:45	moiety	bounce: it's a Danny Boyle film written by Irvine Welsh http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117951/ hope you don't need subtitles XD
19:46	kakobrekla	mp sez no so complaint goes to his pm. ty.
19:47	moiety	true romance is one of my favourite films. everyone in it is immense
19:47	bounce	I know about trainspotting. just haven't actually seen all of it.
19:48	moiety	trainspotting is not a favourite of mine, ican't deny its done well though. I much prefer Shallow Grave
19:49	kakobrekla	my fav is prolly still dead man.
19:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5779999 BTC [-]
19:53	asciilifeform	http://youtu.be/DxfMbi0aCvM
19:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00095339 = 4.2426 BTC [-] {2}
19:55	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [+]
19:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [+]
19:58	moiety	oh btw coachella is being streamed live over 3 chennels, mashable has the schedule and links if anyone wants it
20:02	moiety	kakobrekla: i've not seen dead man, i'm going to get it ty
20:03	kakobrekla	if you find the start of the movie grim, try to hold on, it will get better.
20:04	asciilifeform	in other news, sergey nepobedimy ('invincible', his real name,) creator of 'igla' and 'strela' rockets, has died.
20:04	moiety	kk, not like me to not see a film through tbf
20:05	moiety	92 y/o... i hope it was peaceful
20:07	artifexd	So... gmaxwell is harassing the conformal guys about how they developed btcd. It comes across as so... I don't know... petty.
20:08	artifexd	mircea_popescu: I'm starting to understand why you like these guys. Here's a quote that I find particularly compelling:
20:08	artifexd	@jy-p> it's a nice little bullshit trick that is used by people who don't get their work done
20:09	artifexd	For context: http://pastebin.com/AxKLEZf3
20:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4633 @ 0.00013717 = 0.6355 BTC [-] {15}
20:15	mike_c	cloudy conference.
20:15	mike_c	http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/hdfForecast?query=timisoara
20:15	ozbot	Timisoara, Romania Weather Forecast from Weather Underground
20:16	kakobrekla	oh yeah, the scientology meeting.
20:16	moiety	with everything going on in the ukraine, why are they protesting potholes?! http://20minutegarden.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Tulips-in-Potholes.jpeg
20:20	kakobrekla	flower bomb shrapnel?
20:24	moiety	lol i just feel there are other things they could be turning attention to
20:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8807 @ 0.00096456 = 8.4949 BTC [+]
20:26	Duffer1	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2grKk4Fv0k
20:26	ozbot	Civilization: Beyond Earth (Announcement) - YouTube
		~ 15 minutes ~
20:42	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla what you like so much bout dead man btw ?
20:42	mircea_popescu	not sayin' it's bad or anything, that shit's trippy, but i think i'm missing most of it.
20:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24829 @ 0.00095198 = 23.6367 BTC [-] {3}
20:45	kakobrekla	i dunno, it has a lot of qualities i like. its indeed trippy and and well its fuckin hilarious, after about 30min in or so
20:45	mircea_popescu	artifexd myeah.
20:46	kakobrekla	full of absurdities and such.
20:46	mircea_popescu	artifexd course, you could say that to him rather than to me. he doesn't know it, i do.
20:47	mircea_popescu	fuckwit is actually to this day going around all convinced he's anything but slime somebody scraped off his work boot and failed to properly dispose of.
20:47	moiety	I've just started Dead Man
20:47	kakobrekla	well, good luck moiety .
20:48	moiety	depps lesser known films turn out to be his best
20:49	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform incidentally, you're not the only one plagued. conformal guys got their own robwizz turns out.
20:49	mircea_popescu	ima gotta have to stop mentioning people or something.
20:49	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2463 @ 0.00095065 = 2.3415 BTC [-]
20:49	mircea_popescu	!up Azelphur
20:49	assbot	Voicing Azelphur for 30 minutes.
20:49	Azelphur	thankies :)
20:49	mircea_popescu	you're on the list yo, why not just up yourself
20:49	Azelphur	oh, I wasn't aware of the new channel settings
20:50	mircea_popescu	id with gribs then pm assbot !up
20:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05018656 = 0.1004 BTC [-]
20:50	Azelphur	simple enough :)
20:50	mircea_popescu	tell your friends.
20:50	Azelphur	anyway, another fun question for you, do you believe the "mtgox got hacked" crap? :P
20:51	moiety	i like the new system, have to say
20:51	mircea_popescu	no.
20:51	mircea_popescu	moiety how come ?
20:51	Azelphur	me neither
20:51	Azelphur	back when I was designing your exchange I actually had a conversation with tux about security
20:51	Azelphur	so I could learn what mtgox did wrong, what they do now, that sort of thing
20:51	Azelphur	and they seemed fairly decent
20:51	mircea_popescu	wait you were wut ?
20:51	Azelphur	mircea_popescu: sorry, designing the frontend for*
20:51	moiety	just personal taste after the other day mircea_popescu
20:51	Azelphur	derp >.<
20:51	mircea_popescu	o you mean pympex ?
20:52	Azelphur	mircea_popescu: nah, remember you wanted me to open a brokerage, and I did a lot of code, but didn't release it because of the whole going to jail thing.
20:52	mircea_popescu	you went to jail ?!
20:52	Azelphur	mircea_popescu: I would have if I started running a brokerage being in England ;)
20:52	mircea_popescu	dude what the fuck, i just had a coupla shots of brandy
20:52	mircea_popescu	oh
20:52	Azelphur	hahaha
20:52	mircea_popescu	no but i mean i sit down and nothing makes sense anymore
20:53	Azelphur	admittedly I coulda explained that better ;)
20:53	mircea_popescu	dun take this the wrong way, but i dun recall that episode. so you were going to do something like coinbr ?
20:53	Azelphur	but yea, was just curious, it's such a weird situation, and this getting hacked thing makes no sense
20:53	Azelphur	mircea_popescu: yea, I'm pretty sure I showed you the prototypes at some point
20:54	mircea_popescu	well possible, if it was in like 2012
20:54	Azelphur	and I had it interfacing with GLBSE and MPEX back in the day
20:54	Azelphur	yea, it was a long time ago
20:54	mircea_popescu	anyway
20:54	Azelphur	would have done it if I didn't like my freedom so much :p
20:54	mircea_popescu	make sure you close your eve account while at it.
20:55	mircea_popescu	i hear them brits are not kidding.
20:55	Azelphur	haha
21:00		people still ues eve?
21:00		use*
21:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 61 @ 0.00570001 = 0.3477 BTC [-] {2}
21:09	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: conformal co. - the reimplement bitcoind folks?
21:11	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform in golang
21:11	mircea_popescu	[\\\] apparently. they were doing some shit about "come have your name on a plaque on this statue we're building"
21:11	asciilifeform	i still can't figure out why google had to reimplement 'D'
21:12		yeah, I follow bradfitz
21:12		he's a golang dude
21:12		"why use someone else's work when we can make our own?"
21:13	mircea_popescu	fun fact : d had some romanian work on it originally
21:13		no wonder they dumped it
21:13		<.<
21:13		>.>
21:13		.bait
21:13	ozbot	http://37.media.tumblr.com/c156e823fbca3bb9580538c1deab8d7c/tumblr_mfp7stokJe1racc9so1_1280.jpg
21:13	asciilifeform	'A "new" language that differs from the rest of the crop by one or a couple features is proof positive that both what it came from and what it has become are mutations about to die. There are tens if not hundreds of thousands of such "languages" that people have invented over the yeare, for all sorts of weird purposes where they just could not use whatever language they were already using, could not extend it
21:13	asciilifeform	, and could not fathom how to modify its tools without making a whole new language. They never stopped to think about how horribly wasteful this is, they just went on to create yet another language called Dodo, the Titanic, Edsel, Kyoto-agreement..."'
21:14	asciilifeform	(naggum on language proliferation - http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3206985430398054@naggum.net.html)
21:14	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i imagine the way a large talent stable works is invariant. gotta let people do the stupid shit they wanna do to some degree
21:15	asciilifeform	i don't begrudge these people their weirdlangs
21:15	mircea_popescu	google's not about to hire chicks with whips for the devteam. cheaper to reimplement d.
21:15	asciilifeform	but the waste.
21:15	mircea_popescu	inasmuch as people are involved, there's no such thing as waste.
21:15	mircea_popescu	everything's eaten by something.
21:16	mircea_popescu	only machines can waste.
21:16	asciilifeform	the blind 'neophilia' of programmers is their undoing.
21:16	thestringpuller	;;ident
21:16	gribble	Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is not identified.
21:16	asciilifeform	me, i'm still waiting for the 'let's crib features' folks to crib common lisp's intelligent error handling.
21:17	thestringpuller	;;ticker
21:17	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 424.19, Best ask: 425.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.80000, Last trade: 425.99, 24 hour volume: 9044.12721809, 24 hour low: 413.72, 24 hour high: 439.5, 24 hour vwap: 427.58778978
21:17	asciilifeform	(the only programming language i personally know, or so much as heard of, where the machine can recover intelligently from any error condition short of smoking)
21:19	mircea_popescu	http://www.businessinsider.com/now-its-personal-sf-protesters-targeting-tech-execs-by-name-2014-4?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+typepad%2Falleyinsider%2Fsilicon_alley_insider+%28Silicon+Alley+Insider%29
21:19	ozbot	NOW IT'S PERSONAL: SF Protesters Targeting Tech Execs By Name - Business Insider
21:20	mircea_popescu	check out these fuckwits.
21:20	mircea_popescu	and none of the named is going around calling the employers of these fuckwits with the simple message of "fire everyone or go out of business".
21:20	mircea_popescu	what sort of upside down shithole is that!
21:20	asciilifeform	'stop jack from evicting teachers' << evicting engineers, or accountants, is presumably ok
21:21	mircea_popescu	no but it's like... yo shithead. you make enough to buy me a tie a year and are here protesting ? you're fucked, better hope you enjoy living in a sewer.
21:21	asciilifeform	this might call for some background story for the non-u.s. folks. here, 'teacher' is an iconic 'noble' profession, in the eyes of the liberasts
21:21	mircea_popescu	what happened to "we don't negotiate to terrorists" ?
21:21	asciilifeform	because they are typically paid by the (usually broke) state gov.
21:22	asciilifeform	'gentrification' is a liberast technical term for the process discussed here a while ago, where slightly better paid wage slaves concentrate in an area and bid up the cost of housing.
21:23	asciilifeform	the 'starving artists', who often congregate in slums and enjoy the low cost, take to marching with protest signs.
21:24	mike_c	BI is (as usual) blowing shit out of proportion for headlines. 6 people were pissed they got evicted and made a sign. who cares.
21:24	mircea_popescu	i guess it's better for the environment than the usual crap they do (and call "art")
21:24	moiety	"...standing outside their house accusing them (falsely) of advocating sexual assault,..." wtf?!
21:24	mircea_popescu	mike_c ok mr cool head, go ahead, piss on my parade.
21:25	asciilifeform	another interesting detail - in many u.s. states, it takes ages to actually evict someone.
21:25	mike_c	I just hate BI. such trash. can't decide if they're worse than gawker, but it's a close race to the bottom of the toilet bowl.
21:25	asciilifeform	google has its own bus!?
21:26	mike_c	many of them.
21:26	moiety	not all have windows now
21:26	asciilifeform	i suppose the stories are true; next - their own morgue, cemetery...
21:26	mircea_popescu	mike_c no argument there.
21:26	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it's called company town.
21:26	asciilifeform	i associate buses sans windows with... something else. not sure i'd care to ride in one, given a choice.
21:26	mircea_popescu	like lowell used to be. very instructive place, that.
21:27	mircea_popescu	go around through the dormitoirs where poor irish girls were required to sleep, compare to the contemporary black slaves' situation,
21:27	mircea_popescu	be very amused that anyone seriously thinks anyone'd believe they fought a war over that difference.
21:27	mircea_popescu	what fucking difference!
21:27	asciilifeform	afaik 'factory town' is the historic, international norm
21:28	mircea_popescu	notrly. it's more of a product of the empty spaces of the colonies, and the peculiar cvasi-catholic sects they followed.
21:28	asciilifeform	soviets did 'factory town' routinely.
21:28	mircea_popescu	ya but you know, historic'd mean "industrial age".
21:28	asciilifeform	some still function
21:28	asciilifeform	naturally
21:28	mircea_popescu	well, they didn't exist in brabant as such, nor in northern italy, nor in england
21:29	mircea_popescu	they did to some degree exist in scotland, which WAS a colony of england
21:29	asciilifeform	point.
21:29	mircea_popescu	they similarily did exist in the empty east
21:29	asciilifeform	round up the locals, herd into factory.
21:29	mircea_popescu	say nagasaki
21:29	mircea_popescu	founded by the portuguese as EXACTLY a corp town
21:30	asciilifeform	more from same loltron:
21:30	asciilifeform	http://www.businessinsider.com/silicon-valley-arrogance-bubble-2013-12
21:30	ozbot	Silicon Valley Arrogance Bubble - Business Insider
21:31	mike_c	if i had one bullet, and I was in a room with gawker, BI, and bitcointalk..
21:32	asciilifeform	clinton puts on parachute and jumps first.
21:32	asciilifeform	or perhaps, wrong joke.
21:32	mike_c	hehe
21:33	moiety	i would have to go with btctalk mike_c
21:33	mircea_popescu	mike_c let's take the violence out of it. if you had one cock...
21:33	mike_c	harder to turn that upon myself.
21:34	mircea_popescu	apparently it's done
21:34	moiety	just remove a rib
21:34	asciilifeform	marvels of gymnastics.
21:34	mircea_popescu	moiety no, that's for making a woman. different sport.
21:34	moiety	lol ^
21:34	moiety	i thought thats what Prince did
21:34	moiety	re ribs not making women
21:35		Manson did
21:35	mircea_popescu	wasn't manson going around kissing people's feet ?
21:35	asciilifeform	anyone remember the toy where a set of small pins is mounted in a frame - press in hand, and an impression of hand protrudes from the other side of the box ?
21:35	asciilifeform	eventually, someone will make a long and flexible version of this toy
21:36	asciilifeform	for auto-fellatio, etc.
21:36	mircea_popescu	hellraiser ?
21:36	asciilifeform	nah, a little gizmo that used to be sold at 'science souvenir' shops in the u.s.
21:36	asciilifeform	http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61HnFypZdfL._SX300_.jpg
21:37	asciilifeform	http://www.bnpeters.com/digitally-reconfigurable-mold.html
21:37	ozbot	Digitally Reconfigurable Mold - bengineering
21:37	asciilifeform	afaik 'braille terminal' works similarly.
21:39	asciilifeform	in unrelated news,
21:39	asciilifeform	http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2014/04/11/heartbleed-certificate-revocation-tsunami-yet-to-arrive.html
21:39	ozbot	Heartbleed certificate revocation tsunami yet to arrive | Netcraft
21:40	asciilifeform	(tldr - the pwned didn't give a damn yesterday, and they still don't today)
21:41	moiety	apprently " there is no evidence of a successful rib-removal surgery in all of the Western world. "
21:42	moiety	!up Mats_cd03
21:42	assbot	Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
21:42	Mats_cd03	sankq
21:43	moiety	np, if you id with gribble you can up yourself in pm with assbot
21:44	Mats_cd03	mp: funny enough, ill be living in lowell in a few months with a friend
21:44	ThickAsThieves	cop beatboxing with rappers at OneSpark https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkrvCHRVbh8
21:44	asciilifeform	gets a little more interesting:
21:44	asciilifeform	http://www.antievictionmappingproject.net/ellis.html
21:44	ozbot	Ellis Act Evictions - Anti-Eviction Mapping Project
21:44	Mats_cd03	i hear cambodian gangs roam the streets - ive never interacted with asian gangsters so this will be fun
21:45	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform and likely will never arrive.
21:45	mircea_popescu	the incentive to do it is actually negative. if you run a site as a us business, and they can directly steal your data this way, they will.
21:45	mircea_popescu	if they can't, they'll just supoena you.
21:45	mircea_popescu	it's more expensive, so you actually don't want to run a clean system.
21:45	mircea_popescu	which is why nobody outside the us wants to use any us company fopr any purpose
21:45	mircea_popescu	and those inside the us, even less.
21:46	mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 just a buncha derpy kids. at least a decade ago
21:46	asciilifeform	next comes the 'network disk', where the buggers don't need to settle for small change (ssl diddling, etc.)
21:46	mircea_popescu	make pretty good bread tho
21:47	asciilifeform	http://static.businessinsider.com/image/534895afeab8ea924687205d-1200/the-protesters-main-concern-was-the-eviction-of-some-of-the-citys-public-school-teachers.jpg
21:47	asciilifeform	lol
21:48	asciilifeform	http://static.businessinsider.com/image/534895af6bb3f7f34ffb5390-1200/there-was-also-a-strong-anti-tech-sentiment-throughout-the-protest.jpg
21:49	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00096282 = 22.0486 BTC [+]
21:51	asciilifeform	http://www.businessinsider.com/protest-flyer-at-kevin-roses-house-2014-4
21:51	ozbot	Protest Flyer At Kevin Rose's House - Business Insider
21:52	asciilifeform	'we are the ones who serve them coffee, deliver them food, suck their cocks...'
21:52	mircea_popescu	bird shat on kevin spacey's car.
21:53	Mats_cd03	mircea_popescu: word is, theyre participating in the distribution of heroin. not kids anymore
21:55	mircea_popescu	things never stay put, do they.
21:56	mircea_popescu	.d
21:56	ozbot	6.120 billion | Next Diff in 837 blocks | Estimated Change: 7.1330% in 5d 9h 26m 5s
21:57	Mats_cd03	a storm is coming...
22:00	moiety	kakobrekla: have you seen Seraphim Falls? I think you might like it
22:00	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00095824 = 16.865 BTC [-]
22:00	kakobrekla	doesnt ring a bell
22:01	moiety	http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0479537/ it's a wee bit like Dead Man
22:01	ozbot	Seraphim Falls (2006) - IMDb
22:02	kakobrekla	ill take a look but its got color.
22:02	kakobrekla	vastly different!
22:02	Mats_cd03	on the subject of movies, has anyone seen sunshine?
22:03	moiety	well worth a watch, promise. i feel they are a bit similar withthe trekking and hallucinatory bits
22:03	kakobrekla	hehe okay
22:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59799979 = 1.196 BTC [+]
22:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59799989 BTC [+]
22:18	bitcoinpete	https://twitter.com/HistoricalPics/status/455099382694944768/photo/1
22:18	ozbot	Twitter / HistoricalPics: "Why is [country] so..." Swedish ...
22:18	bitcoinpete	why is france so gay?
22:19	kakobrekla	the poor seems to be the main concern
22:20	bitcoinpete	as if they're sucking sweden's strength
22:20	bitcoinpete	kakobrekla: also, pleasantly surprised to see myself on the aristocratic side of you/assetsvoice
22:22	kakobrekla	such is life
22:23	bitcoinpete	quite
22:24	bitcoinpete	i've definitely been cracking a few eggs around the bitcoin expo in toronto.
22:24	bitcoinpete	there's much teaching/unteaching to do here
22:25	bitcoinpete	much bowing to the foundation/ethereum/vc moolah/blahblah
22:25	kakobrekla	ah
22:26	kakobrekla	i dunno if there is success to be had there
22:26	bitcoinpete	lulz at least
22:27	bitcoinpete	and reputation to be established when all their thingies break and they remember that this was foretold
22:27	kakobrekla	!up TestingUnoDosTre
22:27	assbot	Voicing TestingUnoDosTre for 30 minutes.
22:27	bitcoinpete	also, straightening of records re: mpex
22:27	TestingUnoDosTre	muchisimas gracias
22:28	thestringpuller	;;ticker
22:28	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 424.97, Best ask: 426.87, Bid-ask spread: 1.90000, Last trade: 426.87, 24 hour volume: 8476.06864251, 24 hour low: 413.72, 24 hour high: 439.5, 24 hour vwap: 426.753943331
22:30	bitcoinpete	that bitstamp volume seems low
22:31	TestingUnoDosTre	whats new
22:31	kakobrekla	with all the account locking, i wouldnt be so surprised
22:32	mircea_popescu	khersonus wanted to do options just as the spot market is disintegrating.
22:33	TestingUnoDosTre	khersonus ?
22:35	TestingUnoDosTre	;;google khersonus
22:35	gribble	View the profile of khersonus - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=277079>; Why MP is your God. - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=271711.260>; Window on America Centers in Ukraine | Embassy of the United ...: <http://ukraine.usembassy.gov/woacenters.html>
22:39	cgcardona_	This is the first time I've needed to verify my identity w/ a chatroom in that way. seems like a pretty powerful idea.
22:41	cgcardona_	so what exactly is the assbot -> gribble relationship? I auth/verify w/ gribble but the assbot is the room's bot? Any reason for having two bots for that?
22:41	*	moiety has misplaced frustration at this film
22:42	cgcardona_	gotta geotag all your frustration. That way you'll never misplace it.
22:42	moiety	lol
22:43	mircea_popescu	cgcardona_ it is a very powerful idea
22:43	artifexd	assbot queries gribble for your ident status and gettrust relation to assbot.
22:44	mircea_popescu	the gribble-assbot relation is somewhat akin to the google-dns relation. one predates the other, and rather than it be reimplemented gratuitously, it's just used isntead.
22:44	cgcardona_	i see
22:45	mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTre http://blog.khersonus.com/2014/the-end-of-an-era/ that dude
22:47	TestingUnoDosTre	february profit was 7968 BTC?
		~ 54 minutes ~
23:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00095349 = 12.4907 BTC [-]
23:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 31 @ 0.06599982 = 2.046 BTC [+] {3}
23:51	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00095813 = 7.5692 BTC [+]

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