Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans
← 2015-06-03 | 2015-06-05 → ↓
00:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89400 @ 0.0003183 = 28.456 BTC [-]
00:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60000 @ 0.0003183 = 19.098 BTC [-]
00:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102100 @ 0.0003185 = 32.5189 BTC [+] {2}
00:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25325 @ 0.00031986 = 8.1005 BTC [+]
00:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137952 @ 0.0003202 = 44.1722 BTC [+] {2}
00:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57850 @ 0.00033614 = 19.4457 BTC [+]
00:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146698 @ 0.00033908 = 49.7424 BTC [+] {5}
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01:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 9354 @ 0.00111 = 10.3829 BTC
01:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 908 @ 0.00111 = 1.0079 BTC
01:05 mats https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSSaqt8FIp8
01:05 assbot Luchtgevecht F-16 en F-15 boven Noordzee - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ALyVq3 )
01:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71071 @ 0.00033001 = 23.4541 BTC [-] {2}
01:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8829 @ 0.00034017 = 3.0034 BTC [+]
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01:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148200 @ 0.00031493 = 46.6726 BTC [-] {2}
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02:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00032593 = 7.5942 BTC [+]
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02:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 246500 @ 0.00031254 = 77.0411 BTC [-] {4}
02:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46300 @ 0.00032012 = 14.8216 BTC [+]
02:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23079 @ 0.00032593 = 7.5221 BTC [+]
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03:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 164700 @ 0.00032788 = 54.0018 BTC [+] {2}
03:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23445 @ 0.00033446 = 7.8414 BTC [+]
03:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20160 @ 0.00032567 = 6.5655 BTC [-]
03:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28734 @ 0.00032953 = 9.4687 BTC [+] {2}
03:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118300 @ 0.00033722 = 39.8931 BTC [+] {2}
04:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65550 @ 0.00033595 = 22.0215 BTC [-]
04:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71600 @ 0.000339 = 24.2724 BTC [+]
04:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43675 @ 0.000339 = 14.8058 BTC [+]
04:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51450 @ 0.000339 = 17.4416 BTC [+]
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04:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101425 @ 0.000339 = 34.3831 BTC [+] {2}
04:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52473 @ 0.00033955 = 17.8172 BTC [+]
05:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115766 @ 0.00032424 = 37.536 BTC [-] {2}
05:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97800 @ 0.00032139 = 31.4319 BTC [-]
05:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78951 @ 0.00031558 = 24.9154 BTC [-] {2}
05:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53436 @ 0.00031094 = 16.6154 BTC [-] {2}
05:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130000 @ 0.00031085 = 40.4105 BTC [-] {2}
05:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28054 @ 0.00032139 = 9.0163 BTC [+]
05:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55046 @ 0.00032772 = 18.0397 BTC [+]
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06:07 jurov 1mpif
06:07 jurov !mpif
06:07 assbot BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021372 B (Total: 467.36 B). Delta: 0.18 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]
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06:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67050 @ 0.00031519 = 21.1335 BTC [-]
06:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126187 @ 0.00032408 = 40.8947 BTC [+]
06:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71036 @ 0.0003247 = 23.0654 BTC [+] {2}
06:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74514 @ 0.00033971 = 25.3132 BTC [+] {3}
06:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14740 @ 0.00034017 = 5.0141 BTC [+]
06:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 8 @ 0.14 = 1.12 BTC [-]
06:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38802 @ 0.00034362 = 13.3331 BTC [+]
07:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40058 @ 0.00034362 = 13.7647 BTC [+]
07:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61823 @ 0.00031519 = 19.486 BTC [-]
07:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69314 @ 0.0003225 = 22.3538 BTC [+]
07:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65200 @ 0.00031672 = 20.6501 BTC [-]
07:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130900 @ 0.00031936 = 41.8042 BTC [+] {3}
07:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00034374 = 8.0091 BTC [+]
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08:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3477 @ 0.00031519 = 1.0959 BTC [-]
08:01 shinohai For anyone awake: https://i.imgur.com/TmH2k.jpg [NSFW]
08:01 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1APwzWZ )
08:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45823 @ 0.00031487 = 14.4283 BTC [-]
08:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12677 @ 0.00033796 = 4.2843 BTC [+]
08:13 jurov shinohai: okay, but...that is nsfw?
08:14 shinohai Better safe than sorry. I get bitched at everywhere else
08:15 jurov lol, never here.
08:16 jurov hello adlai, have you seen pm?
08:16 shinohai Well I have seen some of mp's goodies, so
08:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36230 @ 0.00031691 = 11.4816 BTC [-]
08:17 jurov !bait
08:17 punkman heh http://www.startupranking.com/
08:17 assbot Startup Ranking ... ( http://bit.ly/1IfWPcV )
08:18 jurov assbot had a !bait command, we all much miss now
08:19 punkman it was some other bot
08:21 shinohai I had a porn scraper bot at one time, forgot what i did with it
08:22 jurov you can revive it and climb in the WoT :DDDD
08:22 shinohai kek
08:22 jurov when bot will listen only people who +rated you
08:23 shinohai I like assbot. the gpg features are just bees knees
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08:28 shinohai Someone rich here buy me this for hannukah https://i.imgur.com/ZeOvA6G.jpg
08:28 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IfZ9kc )
08:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114048 @ 0.00031833 = 36.3049 BTC [+] {2}
08:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32404 @ 0.00032419 = 10.5051 BTC [+]
08:46 jurov lol http://nosuchlabs.com/static/prod.txt froze firefox hard
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08:48 davout http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151729 <<< <code> block, problem solved
08:48 assbot Logged on 02-06-2015 19:32:18; jurov: everyone just copies the clearsigned test and pastes it to wordpress
08:51 jurov Using the <code> tag doesn't tell WordPress to encode HTML markup within the tag or strip it from the post. WordPress thinks that you are using this markup for formatting, leaving it untouched.
08:51 jurov "problem solved"
08:52 davout yeah well, why are you even putting markup in the GPG message anyway?
08:53 mircea_popescu jurov seems to be working fine for pgp comments on trilema
08:53 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-may-2015-statement/#comment-114428 << loke
08:53 assbot BitBet (S.BBET) May 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ig4wjq )
08:54 mircea_popescu shinohai you think ass is not safe for work ?
08:54 davout http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151840 <<< good look doing radio communications without a callsign
08:54 assbot Logged on 02-06-2015 21:47:50; ascii_field: punkman: for reasons i cannot fathom, usg does not even exempt its own snoops from this.
08:55 shinohai Well, depending on where you work.
08:55 mircea_popescu in bitcoin-ASSets ?
08:55 mircea_popescu in any case, heidi's probably burning to be yours for a song. go sing to her.
08:55 jurov of course it works as long as <>% is avoided
08:56 jurov and overlong lines, too
08:56 * mircea_popescu hates "html email". why would anyone want html gpg
08:57 * shinohai votes for assbot to return real pictures of ass, then.
08:58 jurov like, everyone who wants to combine gpg with html?
08:58 jurov http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.BBET does not verify, for example
08:58 assbot S.BBET last 300@0.00008000 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ig5vjI )
09:05 mircea_popescu gpg: BAD signature from "Mir
09:05 mircea_popescu for fucks sake.
09:07 mircea_popescu jurov : i have kakobrekla s original signed thing here. ima ima move it to the correct format (as used on ulterior listings) with the html aside.
09:21 scoopbot_revived MPEx (S.MPOE) May 2015 Statement http://trilema.com/2015/mpex-smpoe-may-2015-statement/
09:22 mircea_popescu jurov check it now. an' thanks for pointing it out!
09:22 mircea_popescu deedbot- http://mpex.co/assets/s.bbet-1F2489E8.txt
09:22 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Igb0Pl )
09:22 deedbot- rejected: 1
09:22 mircea_popescu ehh
09:23 jurov heh mpex is prolly not on whitelist :DDD
09:23 mircea_popescu eh wtf.
09:23 mircea_popescu dawg this is nuts same file verifies locally.
09:24 mircea_popescu curl http://mpex.co/assets/s.bbet-1F2489E8.txt | gpg gpg: Signature made Sat 05 Jan 2013 02:13:25 AM ART using RSA key ID 1F2489E8
09:24 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1SY7kaQ )
09:24 mircea_popescu gpg: Good signature from "Mat Koce
09:25 mircea_popescu trinque any idea what's going on there ?
09:25 jurov the 1F2489E8 key is not in L2
09:25 mircea_popescu jurov no but i recall he took the whitelisting stuff away. don't tell me KAKO isn't whitelisted.
09:25 mircea_popescu hm
09:25 mircea_popescu !gettrust kakobrekla
09:26 assbot Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user kakobrekla: Level 1: 5, Level 2: 56 via 34 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=kakobrekla | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/kakobrekla/
09:26 mircea_popescu 27C3CE9A20851312F086268C27AF75321F2489E8
09:26 mircea_popescu how not
09:27 mircea_popescu jurov mind verifying it yourself so i can stop thinking i'm in twilight zone over here ?
09:27 jurov interesting. somehow the key hasn't fetched by my script
09:27 mircea_popescu huh ?
09:28 jurov yes sig verifies
09:29 mircea_popescu aha aite.
09:29 jurov iirc trinque used https://github.com/jurov/wot/blob/master/update_gpg.py and somehow kako's key wasn't fetched
09:29 assbot wot/update_gpg.py at master · jurov/wot · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1IgcpFF )
09:29 jurov but idk, maybe it's something yet other
09:30 mircea_popescu aha. i was gonna dump the whole set of contracts in deedbot, but ima wait now to see what he says about this one.
09:37 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2015#1153723 << if you want to make a bait bot that's not retarded (which is to say, it fetches good quality, always fully nude, slightly fetish stuff) you can prolly have it voiced here. where to get good porn tho...
09:37 assbot Logged on 04-06-2015 12:23:28; shinohai: I like assbot. the gpg features are just bees knees
09:38 mircea_popescu actually, strike that : what i'd really like would be a bot that goes through b-a, takes all images and dumps them in a 8chan thread for the purpose
09:38 mircea_popescu "visual bitcoin assets" or something like that.
09:38 shinohai #b-a on 8chan. I like you already.
09:39 mircea_popescu https://8ch.net/btc/ you know ?
09:39 assbot /btc/ - Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1IgeEsl )
09:39 shinohai I did not know that. Bookmarked for future trolling.
09:40 mircea_popescu and you never noticed the banners, either ? o.O
09:41 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2015#1153728 << lol. more stuff from the empire of http://trilema.com/2014/ubuntu-is-a-worse-piece-of-shit-than-ms-dos-ever-was/
09:41 assbot Logged on 04-06-2015 12:46:56; jurov: lol http://nosuchlabs.com/static/prod.txt froze firefox hard
09:41 assbot Ubuntu is a worse piece of shit than MS-DOS ever was. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Igf6XB )
09:41 mircea_popescu kinda why the warning is there. don't think any aproach other than curl is safe on it
09:42 shinohai I'm not a fan of Ubuntu if I can avoid it
09:42 jurov looks like folks install ubuntu into the emulator just to run eulora
09:43 jurov shoulda have some other option
09:43 mircea_popescu so hurry up with teh windoze.
09:43 shinohai great mircea_popescu, now you showed me that I'll never get work done.
09:46 chetty http://www.forbes.com/sites/emmawoollacott/2015/06/04/leaked-tisa-documents-reveal-privacy-threat/
09:46 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IggsBQ )
09:57 jurov https://8ch.net/btc/res/332.html#341 bingo's famous
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09:57 assbot /btc/ - If you could fight anyone in Bitcoin, who would you fight? ... ( http://bit.ly/1JobI03 )
09:58 shinohai lol top kek
10:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70450 @ 0.00033341 = 23.4887 BTC [+]
10:02 shinohai I need to send some coins to my cult wallet in a bit
10:08 decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151840 <<< good look doing radio communications without a callsign << you can, it's called wifi/bluetooth etc
10:08 assbot Logged on 02-06-2015 21:47:50; ascii_field: punkman: for reasons i cannot fathom, usg does not even exempt its own snoops from this.
10:08 decimation usg setup an 'exception' and now the mob sits upon it
10:11 kakobrekla kako's key wasn't fetched < but i used deedbot earlier and it worked ?
10:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134665 @ 0.00033481 = 45.0872 BTC [+] {2}
10:23 davout decimation: human radio communications, from airplanes
10:24 davout "NOVEMBER TWO TWO NINER, PLS TO LAND RUNWAY 28 LEFT"
10:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.00033594 = 10.5485 BTC [+] {2}
10:26 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: if you want to make a bait bot that's not retarded (which is to say, it fetches good quality, always fully nude, slightly fetish stuff) you can prolly have it voiced here. where to get good porn tho... << have d00d dredge through tumblr and put together a list manually for the bot to take from lol!
10:33 davout williamdunne should just turn indiancandy's webcam on
10:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74800 @ 0.00033191 = 24.8269 BTC [-]
10:34 williamdunne thestringpuller: That'd be easy to modify scoop for
10:34 williamdunne davout: lol, webcam over IRC?
10:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 173731 @ 0.00033662 = 58.4813 BTC [+] {3}
10:40 davout word
10:40 lobbes more Eulora pimpin': https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=224634.msg11533486#msg11533486
10:40 assbot S.MG - The Ministry of Games. ... ( http://bit.ly/1APPTTZ )
10:45 HeySteve volunteering for porn-dredging duties
10:45 HeySteve found a pic this morning which looks eerily similar to my gf, obviously have a talent for it
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10:46 williamdunne HeySteve: You can't say that and not share the picture you found, and the picture of your gf
10:46 shinohai So many pron volunteers, we need no bots xD
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10:46 williamdunne But yeah, guessing tumblr has RSS by default, so it would be very easy to modify scoop's source to automatically post porn from a curated list of tumblr porn blogs
10:46 mats http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/georgia-man-wandered-around-atlanta-airport-with-a-loaded-ar-15-because-something-might-happen
10:47 assbot Georgia man wandered around Atlanta airport with a loaded AR-15 because ‘something might happen’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1APQFAk )
10:48 HeySteve haven't really bothered with tumblr, imagefap is my preferred porn source
10:51 scoopbot_revived The thing about Jaron Lanier is that he's an idiot who's out to get you. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/04/the-thing-about-jaron-lanier-is-that-hes-an-idiot-whos-out-to-get-you/
10:51 shinohai !fap
10:55 lobbes 'If you don’t exercise your rights, the government doesn’t have any hesitation taking them away' attaboy
10:56 lobbes re: pron bots. You could run with williamdunne's idea of curated tumblrs, and then add in a custom tumblr to that list where volunteers dump their pics from whatever source they feel (imagefap, xhamster, etc)
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10:56 williamdunne That'd work
11:00 trinque kakobrekla: I synced the keys arsebot had a while back
11:05 * kakobrekla doesnt have a problem
11:06 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Does qntra get a statement on Trilema this month? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149952 http://qntra.net/2015/06/qntra-s-qntr-may-2015-statement/ Or are we in some mystery rotation to have the month off?
11:06 assbot Logged on 01-06-2015 19:47:49; cazalla: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0PYPXAV.txt
11:06 assbot Qntra (S.QNTR) May 2015 Statement | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGGnCU )
11:07 * chetty wants naked males too if you guys do a porn bot
11:08 williamdunne chetty: Most of the porn posted includes males, no?
11:12 shinohai In this cradle of free speech, we must be all-inclusive on porn types.
11:12 HeySteve no furries
11:13 trinque that's not even porn
11:13 HeySteve you'd be surprised... http://www.reddit.com/r/dragonsfuckingcars/
11:13 assbot reddit.com: over 18? ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGHF0z )
11:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00033191 = 3.6344 BTC [-]
11:14 trinque I dunno what that is, but I don't see any fur on the dragons
11:16 williamdunne http://gamingfurry.tumblr.com/
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11:16 assbot (Mostly) Straight Furry Porn ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGIcj4 )
11:17 trinque oh right, I was just thinking of actual furries
11:17 trinque this is more zoophilia
11:17 HeySteve I'm not sure what else to call them besides cartoon beastiophiles
11:18 williamdunne http://www.xtube.com/tags/videos.php?tag=fursuit
11:18 assbot Fursuit Porn Videos: Hot Fursuit Movies Sextube | Xtube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGIpmq )
11:19 shinohai https://www.reddit.com/r/birdsondicks
11:19 assbot Birds On Dicks ... ( http://bit.ly/1APUIMX )
11:22 HeySteve hmm, "rule 34 + bitcoin" yields no results
11:22 HeySteve internet has failed
11:23 williamdunne HeySteve: rule 35
11:24 danielpbarron obligatory re: birds on dicks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEZL4ult9n0
11:24 assbot Chirpy - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGJk6i )
11:24 HeySteve if we build it, they will come
11:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93229 @ 0.00033191 = 30.9436 BTC [-]
11:29 shinohai LOL @ chirpy
11:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68764 @ 0.00033553 = 23.0724 BTC [+]
11:32 thestringpuller who was that chick in charge of bitcoin gone wild or whatever?
11:33 thestringpuller the one who did the bitcoin tutorials naked but with domino mask thing on
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11:40 shinohai was that Sexy Saffron ?
11:40 shinohai http://www.kinkbomb.com/p/masturbation-for-daddy-2/163328
11:40 assbot Kinkbomb.com - the marketplace for buying & selling fetish video clips ... ( http://bit.ly/1APXlyg )
11:45 ben_vulpes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3lF2qEA2cw
11:45 assbot Creep - Vintage Postmodern Jukebox Radiohead Cover ft. Haley Reinhart - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGMBm4 )
11:48 danielpbarron nice cover.
12:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39800 @ 0.00034115 = 13.5778 BTC [+]
12:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97800 @ 0.00034216 = 33.4632 BTC [+] {2}
12:08 danielpbarron !up ascii_field
12:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49100 @ 0.00034105 = 16.7456 BTC [-]
12:16 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2015#1153825 << what did she say ?
12:16 assbot Logged on 04-06-2015 14:45:51; HeySteve: found a pic this morning which looks eerily similar to my gf, obviously have a talent for it
12:17 HeySteve she say it's not her
12:17 mircea_popescu lobbes lol necroposting on tardstalk ? i imagine it as this cinematic moment, where the current crop of retards meets the previous crop of identical retards and has an identity wtf moment.
12:17 mircea_popescu sorta like highschools work. "what do you mean you're the guy in that seat ? IM THE GUY IN THAT SEAT!!1"
12:17 mircea_popescu HeySteve so ask to meet her sister ? :D
12:18 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2015#1153827 << kinda the idea
12:18 assbot Logged on 04-06-2015 14:46:17; shinohai: So many pron volunteers, we need no bots xD
12:18 HeySteve heh, suggested taking some comparison shots
12:19 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2015#1153835 << /me would much rather see this on 8chan rather than any othe imageboard seeing how the owner of any other imageboard is a poopyhead without a gpg account.
12:19 assbot Logged on 04-06-2015 14:56:23; lobbes: re: pron bots. You could run with williamdunne's idea of curated tumblrs, and then add in a custom tumblr to that list where volunteers dump their pics from whatever source they feel (imagefap, xhamster, etc)
12:19 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo of course it does!
12:19 BingoBoingo k
12:19 mircea_popescu dun fret, it's not even the 5th yet.
12:20 mircea_popescu but yes, both qntra and f.mpif later today.
12:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48700 @ 0.00034132 = 16.6223 BTC [+]
12:20 BingoBoingo Ah, I though the dealine was before the 5th which is 7-8 hours away
12:21 mircea_popescu "(Mostly) Straight Furry Porn" what the fuck does that even mean!
12:21 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo it's only like 1pm where i live. i just woke up!
12:22 mircea_popescu and generally it's been 1-5th
12:22 mike_c update on exploding computer - it was definitely the power supply. some nasty oil stuff came out of it. i don't know what the hell they put in these things.
12:22 mike_c one big capacitor has melted plastic, but don't know if that was failed component or just nearby
12:22 BingoBoingo Ah. I just assume everything happens on UTC until we supplant UTC with a block height based calendar
12:23 BingoBoingo mike_c: Every now and then capacitors pop
12:23 BingoBoingo It is just what they do
12:23 mike_c it doesn't look exploded though
12:23 mike_c and where the hell did the oil come from?
12:23 BingoBoingo Oil comes from capacitor
12:23 mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/S1DyDQE.png
12:23 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JtpSve )
12:23 BingoBoingo Sometimes it gets hot and finds a way out, not every pop has to be violently dramatic
12:24 mike_c oh, really? well maybe that was it then. you think it was bad power? cooling fan doesn't seem seized.
12:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88270 @ 0.00033206 = 29.3109 BTC [-] {2}
12:24 BingoBoingo Could be. It's getting to be air conditioning season
12:24 mike_c fking ancient manhattan building too.. wouldn't be surprised if the power is dirty
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12:25 mircea_popescu mike_c ecapacitors just fail. sometimes there's a bad batch and they all get diseased. sometimes it's just freak occurences.
12:26 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2015#1153870 << i missed this ? link ?
12:26 assbot Logged on 04-06-2015 15:33:00; thestringpuller: the one who did the bitcoin tutorials naked but with domino mask thing on
12:26 mike_c was an OCZ 1kw power supply for the record.. won't be buying from them again.
12:27 mircea_popescu that's ok, everyone buys capacitors from the same coupla outfits anyway.
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12:36 trinque mircea_popescu: dunno why that didn't work; I'll look into it
12:36 trinque pulling it down manually and verifying it with deedbot-'s gpg works
12:36 mircea_popescu ikr ?
12:36 BingoBoingo !up pete_dushenski
12:36 pete_dushenski thanks bb, i'll auth too
12:38 trinque mircea_popescu: also if you're planning on doing many at once, I should improve the error output such that it doesn't just say accepted: 55, rejected: 3 (LOL HAVE FUN)
12:38 mircea_popescu haha i was gonna do them one at a time,
12:39 mircea_popescu but more's the point : could the number on the site get a tooltip that's set to equal the first 256 chars of the deed ?
12:39 trinque yeah good idea
12:40 mircea_popescu that solves the 55/3 problem : just let it process, see what made it in
12:48 mircea_popescu hm i have an idea
12:48 mircea_popescu deedbot- http://mpex.ws/assets/s.bbet-2FB7B452.txt
12:48 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JtufpX )
12:48 deedbot- rejected: 1
12:49 mircea_popescu deedbot- http://mpex.ws/assets/s.qntr-2FB7B452.txt
12:49 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jtukde )
12:49 deedbot- accepted: 1
12:49 trinque wut
12:49 trinque I'll step through the code with the one that's barfing
12:49 mircea_popescu aha. trinque i bet you it's Ko�evar
12:49 * trinque curses python's encoding fuckery
12:50 mircea_popescu deedbot- http://mpex.ws/assets/x.eur-2FB7B452.txt
12:50 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JtuuRT )
12:50 deedbot- accepted: 1
12:50 mircea_popescu francois is ok o.O
12:50 mircea_popescu http://mpex.ws/assets/x.eur-01713428.txt
12:50 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JtuxNC )
12:50 mircea_popescu deedbot- http://mpex.ws/assets/x.eur-01713428.txt
12:50 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JtuxNM )
12:50 deedbot- accepted: 1
12:50 mircea_popescu deedbot- http://mpex.ws/assets/s.wol-4F910E21.txt
12:50 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1dhoS0S )
12:50 deedbot- accepted: 1
12:50 mircea_popescu deedbot- http://mpex.ws/assets/s.wol-2FB7B452.txt
12:50 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1dhoVd4 )
12:50 deedbot- accepted: 1
12:51 mircea_popescu deedbot- http://mpex.ws/assets/s.qntr-F3251143.txt
12:51 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1dhoUFY )
12:51 deedbot- accepted: 1
12:51 mircea_popescu deedbot- http://mpex.ws/assets/s.qntr-468F4AD0.txt
12:51 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1dhoXSd )
12:51 deedbot- accepted: 1
12:51 mircea_popescu deedbot- http://mpex.ws/assets/s.qntr-2FB7B452.txt
12:51 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jtukde )
12:51 deedbot- accepted: 1
12:51 mircea_popescu deedbot- http://mpex.ws/assets/s.nsa-2FB7B452.txt
12:51 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1dhoXBF )
12:51 deedbot- accepted: 1
12:51 mircea_popescu deedbot- http://mpex.ws/assets/s.nsa-01ABFFC7.txt
12:51 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1dhp0xx )
12:51 deedbot- accepted: 1
12:51 mircea_popescu deedbot- http://mpex.ws/assets/s.mpoe-2FB7B452.txt
12:51 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1dhp0NX )
12:51 deedbot- accepted: 1
12:51 mircea_popescu deedbot- http://mpex.ws/assets/s.mg-2FB7B452.txt
12:51 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1dhp1l1 )
12:51 deedbot- accepted: 1
12:51 mircea_popescu deedbot- http://mpex.ws/assets/f.mpif-2FB7B452.txt
12:51 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1dhp1S5 )
12:51 deedbot- accepted: 1
12:52 mircea_popescu deedbot- http://mpex.ws/assets/f.derp-2FB7B452.txt
12:52 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1dhp3JJ )
12:52 deedbot- accepted: 1
12:54 trinque mircea_popescu: did the tooltip; I'll look into that encoding thing shortly
12:54 mircea_popescu splendid.
12:54 mircea_popescu trinque ah, cut out the ---- and hash stuff
12:54 trinque k
12:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34012 @ 0.00034045 = 11.5794 BTC [+]
12:54 kakobrekla my name is incorrect here tho http://mpex.ws/assets/s.bbet-2FB7B452.txt
12:55 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JtufpX )
12:55 kakobrekla i think that you need to fix it
12:55 mircea_popescu wait is it ?
12:55 kakobrekla see http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.BBET
12:55 assbot S.BBET last 300@0.00008000 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jtvju2 )
12:55 mircea_popescu hmm... could it be I am the cause of this problems ?!?!?!
12:57 mircea_popescu kakobrekla i think maybe your browser messes you up ? the byte is correct
12:57 mircea_popescu curl it an' see.
12:57 trinque yeah, my browser also fucks that up, but felipelalli reported that his deeds looked right to him
12:59 mircea_popescu curl http://mpex.ws/assets/s.bbet-2FB7B452.txt | grep "Kočevar"
12:59 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JtvVQs )
12:59 mircea_popescu Kočevar,
12:59 scoopbot_revived Qntra (S.QNTR) May 2015 Statement http://trilema.com/2015/qntra-sqntr-may-2015-statement/
12:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38737 @ 0.00033191 = 12.8572 BTC [-]
13:00 kakobrekla deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0SM0WRF.txt
13:00 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jtw8mJ )
13:00 deedbot- rejected: 1
13:00 kakobrekla heh
13:00 kakobrekla o wait it comes up twice
13:01 kakobrekla deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0F8DSVR.txt
13:01 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1dhqp7a )
13:01 deedbot- rejected: 1
13:01 kakobrekla dunno
13:02 trinque i'll dissect the specimen shortly
13:02 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo ^. an' shares added to coinbr
13:03 BingoBoingo k
13:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11746 @ 0.00033174 = 3.8966 BTC [-]
13:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56218 @ 0.00034046 = 19.14 BTC [+] {2}
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13:31 * jurov looks
13:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3022 @ 0.00034297 = 1.0365 BTC [+]
13:35 BingoBoingo !up DanyAlos
13:35 DanyAlos Thanx
13:36 shinohai https://i.imgur.com/2sgj5ed.png
13:36 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1M8enbL )
13:37 scoopbot_revived 3 Years Prison For Backpack Full of Cash in Winnipeg http://qntra.net/2015/06/3-years-prison-for-backpack-full-of-cash-in-winnipeg/
13:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38800 @ 0.00034398 = 13.3464 BTC [+] {2}
13:42 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
13:42 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2015#1153920 << cn vs jp thing
13:42 assbot Logged on 04-06-2015 16:27:24; mircea_popescu: that's ok, everyone buys capacitors from the same coupla outfits anyway.
13:43 jurov s.qntr distributed
13:44 ascii_field jp made and makes decent caps; cn happily sells you a turd with fraudulent jp branding printed on
13:46 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2015#1153915 << get a ferroresonant stabilizer
13:46 assbot Logged on 04-06-2015 16:24:45; mike_c: fking ancient manhattan building too.. wouldn't be surprised if the power is dirty
13:46 ascii_field mike_c: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2014#698341 << see also old thread.
13:46 assbot Logged on 02-06-2014 05:06:35; asciilifeform: outfit called 'SOLA.' still exists.
13:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36400 @ 0.00034297 = 12.4841 BTC [-]
13:54 DanyAlos Any opinion about this? http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/serials/files/cato-journal/2015/5/cj-v35n2-12.pdf
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13:54 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AMLMZ9 )
13:55 trinque DanyAlos: guy compares bitcoin to something difficult to move around; I'm not impressed so far
13:56 ascii_field 'There are also further casualties to the Bitcoin system. Once a
13:56 ascii_field dominant player arises, it cannot possibly operate in a clandestine fashion beyond the knowledge of law enforcement' << 'tungsten melts in your mouth!' - stopped reading, idiocy dosimeter maxed
13:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 186400 @ 0.00034474 = 64.2595 BTC [+] {3}
13:57 trinque there's that, mining will become a monopoly because reasons, so on
13:57 ascii_field gotta love the usg shill 'independent think tank' academitards
13:57 DanyAlos His main point is that mining is going to monopolize sooner o later.
13:58 trinque DanyAlos: maybe you can fish his argument out of the pages of explaining what bitcoin is?
13:58 trinque if it's simply "because economies of scale" come on
13:59 trinque I guess it starts on 364
14:00 trinque wherein "However, if it makes sense for any two miners to form a pool, it
14:00 trinque also makes sense for any group of miners to form a pool. Thus, the
14:01 trinque original competition between individual miners in the Bitcoin system
14:01 trinque consolidates into competition between ever growing mining pools:
14:01 trinque perfect competition gives way to oligopoly"
14:01 trinque existence of mining pools == oligopoly (whatever that means)
14:01 trinque is a bare assertion that doesn't follow from anything previously stated
14:03 ascii_field for overseas folks: cato et al play the same role in usg as zhirinovsky played in ru in '90s
14:03 ascii_field or the soi-dissant 'far right' political parties in uk, fr
14:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68700 @ 0.00033998 = 23.3566 BTC [-] {2}
14:04 trinque yep
14:04 DanyAlos It is clear that now competition occur betwen pools, and not individuals.
14:05 DanyAlos That doesnt mean pools are going to merge in any way.
14:06 trinque !up DanyAlos
14:06 DanyAlos @trinque Thanx
14:06 trinque DanyAlos: right, that companies compete in markets and not usually individuals is not shocking
14:07 DanyAlos Thats why I dont get his point.
14:07 ascii_field there wasn't one
14:07 trinque ^
14:10 ascii_field in other news, http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F97AB55020D00197E8A573EA2CD4CDACDFF288FE47BEF0CFA75C39C002A33D48
14:10 assbot Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1M8jybE )
14:11 trinque ascii_field: seems like a lot of germans
14:12 ascii_field mostly from 'magic list'
14:13 DanyAlos magic list ?
14:13 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
14:14 ascii_field DanyAlos: http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations
14:14 assbot More factored RSA keys, and assorted other considerations on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AMOcHb )
14:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53278 @ 0.00034585 = 18.4262 BTC [+]
14:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142888 @ 0.00034443 = 49.2149 BTC [-] {2}
14:51 danielpbarron that "moldbug" guy got kicked out of some tech conference
14:51 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
14:51 ascii_field danielpbarron: l0l wat ?
14:51 ascii_field where?
14:51 danielpbarron not kicked out, but uninvited as a speaker
14:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 188400 @ 0.00034586 = 65.16 BTC [+] {2}
14:51 ascii_field the 'futures market' thing?
14:51 ascii_field that was ages ago
14:52 danielpbarron https://twitter.com/bodil/status/606334546083213312
14:52 danielpbarron >> Glad to see Moldbug now gone from the @strangeloop_stl speaker list. I'm sure he wouldn't have been there at all if they'd known about him.
14:52 ascii_field ah this is new
14:56 ascii_field funny how mr mold is being groomed to become a junior assistant zhirinovsky
14:56 ascii_field (the actual american zhirinovsky is not unambiguously one man, but could be peter thiel, ron/rand paul, a number of other folks)
14:56 ascii_field 'loyal opposition'
14:57 trinque "I don't agree with Mr Paul but I admire his candor!"
15:08 trinque http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-04/danes-are-revolting-tax-administration-set-fire
15:08 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FycQqz )
15:08 trinque gotta love that zerohedge hyperbole
15:09 trinque awesome, but a few parking lots shy of a revolution
15:10 shinohai @ danielpbarron nearly synced fully and the new address imports work good.
15:11 trinque also that paragraph at the end is representative of the new communism. "govts print money therefore y u no free money?" as per recent thread
15:12 danielpbarron shinohai, what's that regarding? 0.5.3.x ?
15:12 danielpbarron i'm not sure it's supposed to be used as a wallet
15:12 shinohai Yes. Last night I spoke with mod6 we did it for lolz
15:13 shinohai I personally want to see wallet binary divorced from the server.
15:13 ascii_field address imports ?
15:13 ascii_field 0.5.3 didn't have dumpprivkey
15:13 ascii_field (which, imho, makes it virtually unusable as a wallet)
15:13 shinohai did it with pywallet
15:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00034589 = 6.8486 BTC [+]
15:16 shinohai 1nu11ampgw1GKrZSgn2q3JS8kZE88n6d5 is my official mircea_popescu cult wallet addy
15:17 shinohai which works on 0.5.3.x
15:17 ascii_field neato
15:17 trinque shinohai: seems like you have your concept of cult finances backwards :p
15:17 shinohai I am gonna build xt with a 1rtbc address and see which breaks first.
15:18 shinohai know thy enemy and all.
15:22 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
15:22 ascii_field http://defensetech.org/2015/06/03/us-air-force-targets-and-destroys-isis-hq-building-using-social-media << mega-l0l
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15:23 ascii_field null those exif-s.
15:23 trinque loose tweets stain sheets?
15:24 ascii_field '“The guys that were working down out of Hurlburt, they’re combing through social media and they see some moron standing at this command. And in some social media, open forum, bragging about the command and control capabilities for Daesh, ISIL. And these guys go: ‘We got an in.’ So they do some work, long story short, about 22 hours later through that very building, three [Joint Direct Attack Munitions] ta
15:24 ascii_field ke that entire building out.'
15:24 trinque lol
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15:39 davout http://fusion.net/story/143307/former-mt-gox-ceo-current-bitcoin-exchanges-are-a-disaster-waiting-to-happen/
15:39 assbot Former Mt. Gox CEO: Current Bitcoin exchanges are a 'disaster waiting to happen' | Fusion ... ( http://bit.ly/1dPUZFQ )
15:39 davout on of the redditards has it, the guy should really write for the onion
15:40 davout *one
15:44 fluffypony lol davout
15:45 fluffypony "former serial murderer serving life in prison says other serial murderers are 'going to be in prison' eventually"
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15:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00033797 = 1.7236 BTC [-]
15:48 trinque "At least in the traditional world of finance, these different institutions are separated." << if only there were screening programs which flagged potential serial killers in childhood, we'd never have another
15:48 trinque this guy cut some kind of deal.
15:50 shinohai I just want to smack him one time. Just once.
15:51 shinohai He is like a fat Mark Zuckerberg
15:51 trinque chain him up somewhere and let people take a swing at him for 0.1BTC, repay accounts out of the proceeds
15:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39114 @ 0.00033797 = 13.2194 BTC [-]
15:53 danielpbarron http://danielpbarron.com/gamingonlinux.txt << "mega l0l"
15:53 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QuiLD8 )
15:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00034589 = 3.5973 BTC [+]
15:58 shinohai Nice danielpbarron I regret I am not into games much :/
16:00 mod6 sweet, aws bill for last month was only $10.00 more. *whew*
16:01 trinque mod6: you can set alerts at various levels of expenditure in cloudwatch
16:01 trinque helps me keep a handle on it
16:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111237 @ 0.00033547 = 37.3167 BTC [-]
16:03 thestringpuller davout: you heard Fat Zuckerberg! Paymium is a disaster waiting to happen!
16:04 mod6 trinque: ah, aight, thanks.
16:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66400 @ 0.00034459 = 22.8808 BTC [+] {2}
16:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92850 @ 0.00034685 = 32.205 BTC [+] {2}
16:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48000 @ 0.0003477 = 16.6896 BTC [+] {2}
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16:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70700 @ 0.00034827 = 24.6227 BTC [+] {2}
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17:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1000 @ 0.20538785 = 205.3879 BTC [-]
17:19 mircea_popescu o look at that, 14 deeds in one go
17:20 mircea_popescu a deedbot record
17:20 * trinque pats the hood
17:20 mircea_popescu !up referredbyloper
17:20 mircea_popescu trinque nice work eh :D
17:21 trinque it's getting there; got some changes I'll be making this weekend
17:21 trinque this docker thing is a piece of siht
17:22 trinque equal parts security theater, wrong problem, and "deny the underlying system exists"
17:22 trinque I tend to try one new thing per project; that one's headed for the ash heap
17:22 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2015#1154036 << make it not be a pdf.
17:22 assbot Logged on 04-06-2015 17:54:20; DanyAlos: Any opinion about this? http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/serials/files/cato-journal/2015/5/cj-v35n2-12.pdf
17:23 mircea_popescu trinque i never formed an actual opinion on the grounds that it looked too gimmicky and widely adopted in the astroturf manner for my taste.
17:23 * mircea_popescu has a lengthy bin of "must have" stuff he successfully waited out.
17:23 trinque yep, sounds like your taster is tuned
17:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62600 @ 0.00034848 = 21.8148 BTC [+] {3}
17:33 thestringpuller trinque: you and ben_vulpes would have some interesting conversations about docker
17:34 thestringpuller it's supposed to remove the sysadmin from the equation if you don't have money to pay for nice ones.
17:34 trinque thestringpuller: he's actually a local buddy of mine; we've chewed on that one a couple times
17:34 trinque I see what it tries to be, and people can get some benefit out of it
17:35 trinque but it's actually several features of a sane *operating-system, not some bolt-on to linux
17:35 trinque managing configuration state, so on
17:35 thestringpuller well that and the images are truly portable if the host is sane.
17:35 * trinque backs away slowly before he starts talking about using relational modeling for CM
17:35 thestringpuller so configuration is non-existent
17:35 trinque yeah, I can see that
17:36 thestringpuller this is good and bad, but moreover what your purpose is.
17:36 thestringpuller the security theatre part is a nuclear bomb waiting to go off.
17:36 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2015#1154114 <<< "o look, we can both misrepresent the intel source and prop our propaganda machine. now people will think social media is important!11"
17:36 assbot Logged on 04-06-2015 19:22:34; ascii_field: http://defensetech.org/2015/06/03/us-air-force-targets-and-destroys-isis-hq-building-using-social-media << mega-l0l
17:36 trinque amounts to building a pillow fort in your living room
17:36 trinque thestringpuller: ^
17:38 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2015#1154125 << the ones that are, at any rate.
17:38 assbot Logged on 04-06-2015 19:45:13; fluffypony: "former serial murderer serving life in prison says other serial murderers are 'going to be in prison' eventually"
17:38 thestringpuller trinque: yea which, in my eyes, illuminates the underlying problem that is not solved: consistent configuration from one environment to the next.
17:39 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo dude who the fuck is that gbanga fellow. responding to himself nao...
17:39 thestringpuller docker does this in a way similar to floppy drive press enter to boot kinda deal
17:39 trinque thestringpuller: needs something with a declared schema, referential integrity, other fancy things from rdbms land
17:40 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I have absolutely no idea
17:40 trinque thestringpuller: "show me all the config items which make reference to a hostname"
17:40 mircea_popescu weird.
17:40 thestringpuller ah. well even on a lower level, like for instance going from a local Apache instance (running on iface 127.0.0.1) then running it on prod.
17:40 thestringpuller As you've just said.
17:40 trinque yep, nobody has any fucking idea what the structure of /etc is
17:40 mircea_popescu 20302310412919 / 4294967297 = 4727
17:40 trinque you just munge things out with sed/awk/grep and call it good
17:41 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
17:41 ascii_field mircea_popescu: it's in magic98 yes
17:41 trinque course it runs into every problem anyone ever made a terrible XML thing for
17:41 thestringpuller trinque: yup. Puppet did an "okay" job of managing the config scheme among multiple machines in a single environment.
17:41 thestringpuller But alas doesn't really solve the underlying problem imo.
17:41 trinque I have a vague inkling that CLOS can be used for things I use RDBMS for, but I am not there yet
17:41 mircea_popescu ascii_field but 4727 = 29 * 163 which are primes
17:42 mircea_popescu kidna highest "natural" prime yet huh.
17:42 mircea_popescu 10100011
17:42 ascii_field mircea_popescu: essentially the results of random integer n
17:42 mircea_popescu i guess so.
17:42 ascii_field (once you mutilate n, all bets are off)
17:42 mircea_popescu of course... one never knows if something really is random
17:42 ascii_field 'random' in the strict sense of -not- being a product of carefully selected long primes p and q passing various tests
17:43 mircea_popescu trinque imagine my surprise when i discovered that gimp actually uses scheme as a scripting language.
17:43 ascii_field -could- turn out to be one anyway if the gods were to smile
17:43 thestringpuller trinque: CLOS is above my understanding. I'm more of practical computing
17:43 ascii_field but sooner operator will be struck by lightning 10e10 times
17:43 trinque mircea_popescu: may have been the first time I encountered a lispy thing in the wild
17:43 mircea_popescu ah you saw it too ?
17:43 trinque think so, long ago; I don't do much graphics stuff
17:43 ascii_field mircea_popescu: it has 'guile' baked in, yes
17:44 trinque I was adding sweet flames to text or something
17:44 ascii_field phun phact: it is the official gnu extension language, for what it's worth
17:44 thestringpuller and yet no one uses GIMP in real life unless they are poor and/or hate Adobe.
17:44 * ascii_field uses it
17:44 ascii_field the hell i'm gonna spin up a winblows box just to edit a graphic
17:44 trinque ^
17:45 thestringpuller I was talking about media in the wild vs. personal usage.
17:45 thestringpuller i.e. never seen "GIMP" listed in the credits of a movie.
17:46 mircea_popescu thestringpuller im pretty sure everyone half competent uses gimp.
17:46 ascii_field 'arts types' famously pray on photoshit
17:47 mircea_popescu i've yet to encounter a competent "arts types".
17:47 ascii_field (among things missing from 'gimp' is, at least last i saw, support for pressure-sensitive input gizmos like 'wacom')
17:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42250 @ 0.00034869 = 14.7322 BTC [+] {2}
17:47 mircea_popescu and i get it, most hipsters with ephebe beards and starbucks paper cups use macs.
17:47 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: that's because logical competency and art don't go together. better trying to mix oil and water.
17:47 mircea_popescu nevertheless, competent coders are not on that thing
17:48 mircea_popescu thestringpuller i meant art competency.
17:48 mircea_popescu as opposed to competency at pretending like one's involved in art.
17:48 mircea_popescu dali's on gimp.
17:48 ascii_field mircea_popescu: the closest approximation to a usable laptop is (or was) sold by apple
17:48 ascii_field just ask ben_vulpes
17:48 mircea_popescu laptops are for chicks too worn out to fit normal dildoes anymore.
17:49 trinque lol
17:49 trinque this is certainly the last I'll purchase
17:49 * ascii_field got tired of the gymnastics of maintaining an apple box to be somewhat usably posixy/x11y - and is now on an 'unusable' laptop
17:49 trinque and I'd be happy to replace it with something that was basically a terminal emulator with a nic
17:49 mircea_popescu in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdrr7acbEl1ruwje9o1_1280.jpg
17:49 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KHBIAL )
17:50 trinque ascii_field: wasted way too much time getting a gentoo tuned on a mac
17:50 ascii_field trinque: total, utter waste of time
17:50 ascii_field whole fucking point is that os is shipped by same folks who made the iron
17:50 ascii_field and there are no 'small' but intolerable driver imperfections
17:50 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: the starbucks hipster is usually the unemployable art school student. the employable ones don't complain about tools since they just fill out PO's until they find one they like.
17:50 ascii_field like suspend mode where battery continues to drain, etc
17:50 trinque ascii_field: yeah ask me how my wifi behaved
17:50 trinque wait. don't bother
17:51 trinque was a retina mac, and I dropped it and smashed the shit out of the screen
17:51 ascii_field thestringpuller: 'fill out PO's until they find one they like' in my case resulted in a mountain of garbage
17:51 ascii_field and no closer to 'like
17:51 ascii_field '
17:51 ascii_field trinque: retina mac, and I dropped it and smashed the shit out of the screen << colleague of mine had one which cracked, in front of my eyes, by itself
17:52 ascii_field he tried to return it, 2 wks old, apple told him to piss off
17:52 trinque yeah, their strategy seems to be make something fragile, call it a tool, laugh arse off when the customer realizes it's not
17:53 trinque meanwhile I dropped my old black macbook down stairs twice, did fine
17:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00034177 = 6.2202 BTC [-]
17:54 thestringpuller trinque: you were that kid who managed to break a gameboy weren't you?
17:55 thestringpuller ascii_field: wait you're a professional artist?
17:55 trinque nah my gameboy did alright, but I've shattered a few game controllers
17:55 ascii_field thestringpuller: nope
17:55 ascii_field thestringpuller: why did you suppose i could be one ?
17:55 trinque thestringpuller: my dell inspiron waffle iron was on purpose, fell a couple stories
17:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122644 @ 0.00033816 = 41.4733 BTC [-] {2}
17:56 thestringpuller ascii_field: maybe it's a well kept secret. asciilifeform master artist, with some pseudonym none of us know.
17:57 ascii_field [obligatory woodcollector ref]
18:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.2055 = 1.0275 BTC [+]
18:14 BingoBoingo !up ascii_field
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18:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116750 @ 0.00034871 = 40.7119 BTC [+] {2}
18:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00034871 = 7.846 BTC [+]
18:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78121 @ 0.00033421 = 26.1088 BTC [-] {2}
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19:25 scoopbot_revived 5 simple rules for blogging, linking to sources, commenting, and generally making sense on the Internet. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/04/5-simple-rules-for-blogging-linking-to-sources-commenting-and-generally-making-sense-on-the-internet/
19:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110350 @ 0.00034046 = 37.5698 BTC [+] {2}
19:30 mod6 Update: bitcoin-v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { Orphanage Thermonuke } + { TX Orphanage Amputation } fully snyc'd: 359443
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19:36 BingoBoingo Cool
19:36 BingoBoingo That seemed fast
19:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44550 @ 0.00034877 = 15.5377 BTC [+] {2}
19:43 mod6 BingoBoingo: eh, i think it was about the same, just a minute about to create charts and push to web.
19:52 * BingoBoingo used to sync being an ~1 month affair
20:02 mircea_popescu .
20:03 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2015#1154276 << woot!
20:03 assbot Logged on 04-06-2015 23:30:17; mod6: Update: bitcoin-v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { Orphanage Thermonuke } + { TX Orphanage Amputation } fully snyc'd: 359443
20:04 mircea_popescu danielpbarron 15:26:55 <@Samsai> oh, that game << holy shit, everyone knows ?!
20:05 mircea_popescu oh i just derps derping, kay.
20:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34749 @ 0.00034038 = 11.8279 BTC [-]
20:10 mod6 ok here are the charts, looks like it took about 7 days: http://thebitcoin.foundation/test/perf/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Plus-OrphanageThermonuke-And-TXOrphanageAmputation/20150604/
20:10 assbot Index of /test/perf/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Plus-OrphanageThermonuke-And-TXOrphanageAmputation/20150604 ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYMJbN )
20:11 mircea_popescu impressive dude. i think the current foundation bitcoin is actually better than mine o.O
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20:12 mircea_popescu http://thebitcoin.foundation/test/perf/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Plus-OrphanageThermonuke-And-TXOrphanageAmputation/20150604/Process_Switches.png esp that coupled with the 0 faults omg.
20:12 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYMNrO )
20:12 mod6 wow! yeah, this one didn't hit the OOM-Kill either, ran good the whole time without problems.
20:12 mod6 yup exactly.
20:13 trinque very nice!
20:14 mod6 memory usage graph looks very similar to the previous run with the OrphanageThermonuke graph. That's expected, but just sayin'. Lookin good.
20:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105767 @ 0.00034022 = 35.984 BTC [-] {2}
20:15 mircea_popescu ya.
20:18 BingoBoingo http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2473
20:18 assbot JL: ‘Life Under Tannika Crow?’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYNcdR )
20:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36550 @ 0.00034911 = 12.76 BTC [+]
20:25 BingoBoingo http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=577
20:25 assbot JL: Narco Night Train ... ( http://bit.ly/1dQFoG0 )
20:27 ben_vulpes kakow, mod6
20:27 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154290 << l0ltr0nic!
20:27 assbot Logged on 05-06-2015 00:11:22; mircea_popescu: impressive dude. i think the current foundation bitcoin is actually better than mine o.O
20:28 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ^ better how?
20:28 mircea_popescu moar reliable, for one o.O
20:28 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: and must nitpick, but it isn't the current therealbitcoin yet. not until patches are ratified.
20:29 mircea_popescu i do not think i have seen a full sync with 0 pagefaults yuet
20:33 * asciilifeform shudders that this set of graph axes exists: http://thebitcoin.foundation/test/perf/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Plus-OrphanageThermonuke-And-TXOrphanageAmputation/20150604/Page_Faults.png
20:33 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYO2HL )
20:33 asciilifeform 'page faults / second'
20:33 asciilifeform who runs -what- that generates multiple page faults / hour, much less second ?
20:33 mod6 yeah, previous test with only OrphanageThermonuke did have at least one spot where a "major pagefault" was detected: http://thebitcoin.foundation/test/perf/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Plus-OrphanageThermonuke/20150512/Page_Faults.png
20:33 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYO4PP )
20:33 asciilifeform mod6: do we know in what process ?
20:34 asciilifeform if it was bitcoind, i want the crash dump
20:34 asciilifeform and that'd be pretty major
20:34 mod6 no, it's system level. all I can tell you is all that is running as far as 3rd party things are: bitcoind & nmon, otherwise i've had `vmstat 1` going.
20:35 asciilifeform http://thebitcoin.foundation/test/perf/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Plus-OrphanageThermonuke-And-TXOrphanageAmputation/20150604/Memory.png << reasonably flat. but the 'whole machine' stats thing is a terrible kludge imho
20:35 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYObe6 )
20:35 asciilifeform gotta pick on just bitcoind
20:35 mod6 i'll continue to do more testing. we'll hopefully get something out of it.
20:35 asciilifeform still neat pics
20:35 mod6 asciilifeform: yeah, i agree. it's not great, but it's something.
20:35 mod6 im gonna try some profiles this month.
20:35 asciilifeform mod6: see if you can pluck the total # out of igprof
20:36 asciilifeform i posted instructions for having it crap those out, i think
20:36 mod6 yup, will get to it... hopefully :] lot of things to work though this month.
20:36 asciilifeform in other news...
20:36 asciilifeform http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7ED61BA9F1483495BAB2CB60A5C9BE858F5C2B37C9856BDEE024A8C5518EB421
20:36 assbot Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYOgOS )
20:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89850 @ 0.00034924 = 31.3792 BTC [+] {2}
20:37 mod6 <+asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: and must nitpick, but it isn't the current therealbitcoin yet. not until patches are ratified. << we'll get there. I'd like to have a discussion at some point about the possible negitive effects of at least the TX Orphanage Amputation patch.
20:38 mod6 But so far, I feel good that these two patches fully sync'd and with some reasonable results.
20:38 asciilifeform mod6: if you have an essay-length treatise on this, might be better to drop it in the mailing list
20:38 asciilifeform otherwise here works
20:38 BingoBoingo Damn, a double phuct'
20:38 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: that was, i think, another 'magic list' item
20:38 mod6 yeah, i think just in here, we can discuss. be better for me to spend a bit of time thinking about it for a day or two.. sometime this week maybe.
20:38 BingoBoingo Ah
20:38 mod6 ben_vulpes: should read up on this too ^^
20:39 asciilifeform mod6: notably, bitcoind 0.5.3 stock actually had the orphan tx cache limit
20:39 asciilifeform but i nuked the cache entirely in the interest of reducing fragging
20:39 asciilifeform what i did not have time to do is to measure whether this had the intended effect.
20:40 asciilifeform the other effect of nuking the tx orphanage is zapping the obvious ddos vector of folks crapping deliberately spurious tx into a node
20:40 asciilifeform in general i favour the principle of 'if it cannot be verified RIGHT NOW, it is garbage'
20:41 asciilifeform the very notion of storing things which 'might be verifiable later' runs against the overall flavour of a mechanism designed to face a -maximally- hostile universe
20:42 mod6 sure. i was kinda wondering about the converse side where there is an orphaned TX, and then what? guy just resends?
20:42 asciilifeform where every other node is a gavinous abomination
20:42 asciilifeform mod6: he rebroadcasts until finds a node that can accept it without 'jam tomorrow'
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20:42 BingoBoingo Last I checked Hearn still breathes so universe is still maximally hostile.
20:42 mod6 hah
20:43 asciilifeform consider the actual scenario whereby a tx is 'orphan'
20:43 asciilifeform i.e. what causes it to fall into that category ?
20:43 mod6 asciilifeform: ok. i'll have to think on that a bit more. i wanna be sure of what these changes imply. anyway, a guy can always patch his own if he wishes in the mean time.
20:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform 30064771079/4294967297 =... 7. so now we also have 7.
20:44 mircea_popescu i am persuaded pretty much every prime up to 1k or so is present in the whole set.
20:44 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this is a statistical certainty
20:44 mircea_popescu ye
20:44 mod6 <+asciilifeform> i.e. what causes it to fall into that category ? << right, some sort of malformed tx or one that has some weird time in the tx that makes it get rejected or some such thing.
20:45 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> in general i favour the principle of 'if it cannot be verified RIGHT NOW, it is garbage' << i agree with the wisdom of this, for the reasons stated.
20:45 asciilifeform mod6: it is absolutely essential to understand the mechanics
20:45 mod6 more over, is there a "normal" situation that arises where a guy is trying to create a transaction and it becomes an orphan? his system time is off? many things i suppose...
20:45 asciilifeform an 'orphan tx' is simply one which references a tx which is not yet seen
20:46 asciilifeform this can happen if multiple interdependent tx are sent in quick succession
20:47 asciilifeform say, from a robotic 'hot wallet'
20:47 mod6 so [A_tx]<-[B_tx] are both sent
20:48 mod6 B is recieved before A, so B is 'orphan'
20:48 asciilifeform if no one had an orphan tx cache at all, the robot would be the only one broadcasting B until A is in a block.
20:48 asciilifeform no one would rebroadcast it for him
20:48 asciilifeform because it could be a work of fiction
20:49 mod6 ok
20:49 asciilifeform whereas right now there is 'benefit of the doubt', largely harmless because 1) 'everyone' has infinite ram 2) no one is crapping out spurious tx in earnest
20:49 mod6 yeah, like i said, i gotta look into it. :]
20:49 mircea_popescu practically, this might put a dent in dice type services, in the sense that it'd slow them down by ~10 minutes
20:49 mircea_popescu not sure this is terribru
20:50 asciilifeform 'CoinJoin' will also die.
20:50 BingoBoingo Kinda why listable Satoshidice worked as it did
20:51 asciilifeform as far as i'm concerned, nuking the tx orphanage cuts away some of the remaining 'promise' crud from the protocol, leaving the cold metal for which i for one love it
20:51 asciilifeform i will not cry for the 'promises'
20:52 asciilifeform also note that you (node) are free to broadcast a tx that refers to a not-yet-in-block tx. just that other people will throw it straight to dev null
20:52 mircea_popescu coinjoin is not even stupid it's so fucking dumb.
20:53 asciilifeform aha
20:53 mircea_popescu let's stick to considering things that have a shot at making sense.
20:53 asciilifeform srsly one can't take so much as a shit without some 'coder' building a 'career' on it
20:54 asciilifeform the implications of requiring a tx to refer -only- to tx in blocks in order to be rebroadcastable can be described exhaustively
20:54 asciilifeform we may have already done so - or not
20:54 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> srsly one can't take so much as a shit without some 'coder' building a 'career' on it << Coders are like asparagus in this way. They love their easy nitrogen and phosphorous
20:54 mircea_popescu anyway, i'll be running this too.
20:54 mircea_popescu see if anyone can spot a problem with it.
20:54 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if running tests, consider the igprof patch
20:55 asciilifeform it is very very spiffy
20:55 mircea_popescu mp is still not a coder. his magics lie elsewhere.
20:55 asciilifeform needless to say, do not use in battlefield conditions
20:55 asciilifeform (for one thing, it brings in dl)
20:55 mircea_popescu ima think about this while playing go with people who are also thinking about this, how's that.
20:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 15 @ 0.20538785 = 3.0808 BTC [-]
20:55 asciilifeform l0l
20:55 * asciilifeform reminded that pet is awaiting petting
20:56 * asciilifeform bbl
20:56 mircea_popescu (if anyone's not yet tried this - do. the master form of the twin study jew thing)
20:57 * BingoBoingo prolly ought to move the La Fonde guy from bi-weekly to daily reading http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2453
20:57 assbot JL: AVD Combatives ... ( http://bit.ly/1QaM5Ui )
20:58 mod6 ok back. yeah, so... I'll dig into this for sure here this month. Hopefully sooner, rather than later. I wanna make sure the whole thing 'fits in head' before we move forward. But so far, looking good.
20:59 mod6 Also, i believe that the removal of the dnsseed is going to be on the docket as well. but again, we'll see how it goes.
20:59 mircea_popescu mod6 i don't recall, is that patch written yet ?
21:00 mod6 yeah, alf submitted it back in feb i think.
21:00 * mod6 finds.
21:01 mod6 http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000040.html
21:01 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QaMl5N )
21:02 trinque http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/04/us-cybersecurity-usa-idUSKBN0OK2IK20150604 << "The last few months have seen a series of massive data breaches that have affected millions of Americans," U.S. Rep. Adam Schiff, the ranking Democrat on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, said in a statement.
21:02 assbot Cyber attack hits 4 million current, former U.S. federal workers| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1QaMoOV )
21:02 trinque bahahahahaha
21:02 trinque ah crap wrong quote
21:02 BingoBoingo "As for your opinion that they have a ‘right’ to safely meet, I disagree. I do not believe in rights. A right is a privilege that is enforced by a violent third party action. Rights are by definition cowardice as social artifice. " http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=1974&pr=0 << Tis like a Traimatic brain injury MP
21:02 assbot JL: ‘Are The Counter-Currents People Cowards?’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1QaMplX )
21:02 trinque But he called the latest intrusion "among the most shocking because Americans may expect that federal computer networks are maintained with state of the art defenses."
21:03 mod6 However, this could be tabled until later; when we add in a previously discussed #b-a certified seed discovery mechanism.
21:04 BingoBoingo gossipd seems 18 months to 2 years off at the earliest from public updates in this chan
21:04 mircea_popescu trinque this entire bullshit "defenses" conceptualization. as if you know, it's tower defense, and you gotta upgrade the fire mage tower.
21:05 mircea_popescu idiots already.
21:05 trinque I love it
21:05 scoopbot_revived MPIF (F.MPIF) May 2015 Statement http://trilema.com/2015/mpif-fmpif-may-2015-statement/
21:05 trinque BingoBoingo: how hard is it?
21:05 trinque I've thought maybe tinc might be a starting place
21:06 trinque happens to use RSA keys and handle fancy topologies
21:06 BingoBoingo trinque: I'm not the implementer, but last word on the subject was that the implementer was working on developing a master of the moving parts first which is admirable
21:06 trinque cool; he should hang around more
21:09 BingoBoingo trinque: Unless he's doing serious work. I dunno what they do, but hope it is monastic study. I'd hate for gossipd to go through the growing pains of various deed and scoop bots
21:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 11 @ 0.20538785 = 2.2593 BTC [-]
21:10 trinque it is most certainly something to get right.
21:10 BingoBoingo !up punkman1
21:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132073 @ 0.00034761 = 45.9099 BTC [-]
21:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00034298 = 5.4534 BTC [-] {2}
21:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 4127 @ 0.00028389 = 1.1716 BTC [-]
21:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00034929 = 8.6275 BTC [+]
21:32 BingoBoingo !t m s.qntr
21:32 assbot [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 (4127 shares, 1.17 BTC), 7D: 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 (4127 shares, 1.17 BTC), 30D: 0.00028389 / 0.00032831 / 0.00038 (13249 shares, 4.35 BTC)
21:33 BingoBoingo !t m s.bbet
21:33 assbot [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00008 / 0.00008 / 0.00008 (300 shares, 0.02 BTC), 30D: 0.00006 / 0.00006491 / 0.0002 (115300 shares, 7.49 BTC)
21:33 decimation ;;ticker
21:33 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 223.32, Best ask: 223.36, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 223.35, 24 hour volume: 11501.2850445, 24 hour low: 222.64, 24 hour high: 225.77, 24 hour vwap: None
21:33 decimation btc/usd has been remarkably stable
21:34 decimation http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2015-06/uovh-mlf052915.php < apparently it has only just been discovered that the lymph system is connected directly to the brain
21:34 assbot Missing link found between brain, immune system -- with major disease implications | EurekAlert! Science News ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQQPr6 )
21:36 BingoBoingo decimation: It truly has for all of 2015 thus far
21:36 mircea_popescu decimation the reporting on that thing is perhaps the best example of how confused "science news" works.
21:37 decimation heh yeah
21:37 decimation they can't just report the facts, gotta make it some sorta drama
21:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 22 @ 0.20538785 = 4.5185 BTC [-]
21:37 BingoBoingo <assbot> Missing link found between brain, immune system -- with major disease implications << I'm not sure this is news
21:38 decimation it would have been useful to have a link to the paper
21:38 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo read the piece, it's like kindergartners wrote it. not a single fact in there.
21:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.20538785 = 1.8485 BTC [-]
21:40 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I've read it and 3 others, some of which bring up what the publication contained. Basically boils down to "OMG When CSF dries up it goes the same place every other fluid does!!! OMG this connection works both ways!!!" The only thing newis is they managed to image this system, because soft tissue imagine is hard
21:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19633 @ 0.00034128 = 6.7004 BTC [-]
21:42 decimation https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/29/denny-hastert-highly-unsympathetic-face-americas-criminalization-pathology/ < heh
21:42 assbot Denny Hastert is Contemptible, But His Indictment Exemplifies America's Over-Criminalization Pathology - The Intercept ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQRpoK )
21:43 decimation "In the indictment, the DOJ made the decision not to expressly specify the ?past misconduct? Hastert sought to conceal. Nonetheless, federal law enforcement officials apparently spent the day running around leaking to media outlets what the indictment worked hard to insinuate: that ?Hastert paid a man to conceal sexual misconduct while the man was a student at the high school where Hastert taught.? "
21:44 BingoBoingo The extent of the lymphatic system has always been a bit nebulous because it tends to deflate more destructively in the un-alive. Still since most people manage to go through life without hydrocephalus it can be assumed to interact with the CNS.
21:44 mircea_popescu e entered Congress in 1987 with a net worth of no more than $270,000 and then exited worth somewhere between $4 million and $17 million [...] alleged, unspecified “past misconduct” against an unnamed person to whom he agreed to pay $3.5 million to keep concealed.
21:44 decimation http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature14432.html < here's the real paper
21:45 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FztLci )
21:45 mircea_popescu oh help me rwanda. some shithead is willing to pay 90% of his networth to some fucktard whose feelings got hurt ?
21:45 mircea_popescu what is this, idiotlandia ?
21:45 decimation mircea_popescu: read the indictment
21:45 decimation he is facing the court because... he didn't tell usg what he was spending his money on
21:46 decimation that's it
21:46 mircea_popescu yes yes. not getting into any of that.
21:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67252 @ 0.00034929 = 23.4905 BTC [+]
21:46 mircea_popescu just... fucking usg numbers. they make as much sense as a pancake rabbit with a peanut on its head
21:46 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> oh help me rwanda. some shithead is willing to pay 90% of his networth to some fucktard whose feelings got hurt ? << He left office to lobby his networth expanded fast then.
21:47 BingoBoingo But the expansion isn't public because no longer elected
21:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 136000 @ 0.00034352 = 46.7187 BTC [-] {3}
21:48 BingoBoingo Fuck, everything is wrong with the world today and only canada backpack guy has new-fax relevant to BTC
21:48 mircea_popescu i guess...
21:49 williamdunne Some famous shithead here in the UK has been saying how she'll happily pay 70% taxes to keep meh public services open
21:50 williamdunne On a similar note, just got tipped 0.3 BTC on reddit
21:50 trinque damn son, that's an xbox game right there
21:50 williamdunne IKR? Beats 0.05 cents
21:52 mircea_popescu most live nude girls work for less / set.
21:53 trinque BingoBoingo: could always be worse; this guy has to whore out his monkey to eat http://s2.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20150604&t=2&i=1053746280
21:54 mircea_popescu in the same news, http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcetwo4Wqh1r3si7eo1_500.gif
21:54 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQSm0v )
21:54 BingoBoingo trinque: Let me guess, its last name is Jenner?
21:55 williamdunne She looks better than the monkey, thats cheating MP
21:55 trinque lol
21:55 trinque chick's got a great expression there
21:58 trinque http://s4.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20150604&t=2&i=1053746290&w=976 reuters has some decent lols this week
21:58 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fzwv9F )
21:58 trinque chinese guy was gonna jump I guess, his mother found dead inside
21:58 trinque looks like a great place to live; I can't imagine why
22:00 mircea_popescu on the same great expression trend, http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcaqbjOfzi1qkcds1o1_1280.jpg
22:00 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fzx57n )
22:02 trinque chick's immaculate; I approve
22:02 mircea_popescu !t m s.qntr
22:02 assbot [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 (4127 shares, 1.17 BTC), 7D: 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 / 0.00028389 (4127 shares, 1.17 BTC), 30D: 0.00028389 / 0.00032831 / 0.00038 (13249 shares, 4.35 BTC)
22:03 mircea_popescu ;;calc 0.00032831 * 239624
22:03 gribble 78.67095544
22:03 mircea_popescu on one hand, internet's best journalism < 100 btc. on the other hand, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-06-2015#1152577
22:03 assbot Logged on 03-06-2015 04:39:24; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is the reason you can't buy so much as a square metre in, e.g., patagonia. that is, if you and i can afford it, ted turner can afford 1,000,000+ of it and at 1000x bid
22:03 williamdunne trinque: Tasha Reign I think
22:03 * mircea_popescu is confused by this contradiction
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22:04 trinque williamdunne: nice
22:04 mircea_popescu williamdunne holy shit you knbow em that well ?
22:04 williamdunne I'm a teenage boy, what do you expect?
22:05 trinque heh, I was good friends with a guy in HS that had comparable encyclopedic knowledge of porn stars
22:05 williamdunne But she is particularly memorable
22:05 trinque back when loading up your external hard drive had a point
22:08 decimation mircea_popescu: that patagonia is overvalued?
22:09 mircea_popescu decimation or that old money is doomed, today as much as 2015 bc
22:16 pete_dushenski ahoy !
22:17 pete_dushenski o man this derpy torontonian made my afternoon :)
22:18 pete_dushenski the only thing more fun than a proper roasting is when the victim squirms on the spit.
22:19 pete_dushenski the net result is that i'm pretty sure i popped my "please to take down mean words" cherry today
22:20 pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/04/5-simple-rules-for-blogging-linking-to-sources-commenting-and-generally-making-sense-on-the-internet/ << outlined in "update" for those interested
22:20 assbot 5 simple rules for blogging, linking to sources, commenting, and generally making sense on the Internet. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQUsgK )
22:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81100 @ 0.00034052 = 27.6162 BTC [-]
22:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104823 @ 0.00034929 = 36.6136 BTC [+]
22:25 decimation pete_dushenski: your jaron lanier post was amusing
22:25 pete_dushenski cheers :D
22:26 pete_dushenski i guess i managed to find a thread to pull on from his nebulous ball of rastayarn.
22:27 decimation heh yeah
22:27 pete_dushenski !s gbanga
22:27 assbot 1 results for 'gbanga' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gbanga
22:28 pete_dushenski ah, i'm not the only one wondering who the fuck he is lol
22:28 BingoBoingo Got a catch phrase so maybe a channer?
22:29 pete_dushenski i had thought it might've been Pierre_Rochard at first, but after today, i gotta rule him out.
22:29 pete_dushenski a channer would've brought up details about an article... in chan.
22:30 pete_dushenski s/article/source
22:34 * pete_dushenski is bemusedly reading http://danielpbarron.com/gamingonlinux.txt
22:34 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQVARw )
22:35 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Not channer as in this chan, channer by the classical definition: an imageboard enthusiast
22:36 pete_dushenski ah well that's certainly possible
22:37 pete_dushenski you may be on to something there, even if that doesn't leave us closer to figuring out who he is.
22:38 pete_dushenski though i suppose you have an e-mail address from the comments ?
22:41 williamdunne So when do people start publicly executing police officers? https://www.youtube.com/watchv=01ZwvYqMRhQ
22:41 assbot 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQW75Z )
22:42 williamdunne https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01ZwvYqMRhQ
22:42 assbot #Justicefordillon Officer Involved - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQWbCJ )
22:42 williamdunne Fixed link
22:43 pete_dushenski rough..
22:45 williamdunne Reaching into the pocket his audio cable was coming from was a clear display of threat
22:47 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Not a useful one, and it would be poor form to expose it if it was.
22:47 pete_dushenski ya never know, the jesters calling themselves judges just might agree
22:47 pete_dushenski ^williamdunne
22:47 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: totally agree.
22:48 pete_dushenski but if you recognised it from the wot, you'd obviously know, is all.
22:48 williamdunne Latest board resolution contains a line similar to the one in a couple of MPEX contracts that goes along the lines of "The company deems this contract valid, regardless of the opinion or declaration of any person, regardless of what title that they may choose to fashion themselves with" lol
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22:49 williamdunne "This mandate is without limitation; and is deemed valid by the company regardless of the opinion or
22:49 williamdunne declaration of any third­party, regardless of what title they choose fashion themselves with." There we go
22:50 pete_dushenski williamdunne: what board is this now ?
22:51 williamdunne Exchange
22:51 williamdunne Nothing I'd expect anyone to know about yet :)
22:51 pete_dushenski o right, WDEx !
22:52 pete_dushenski might be confused with winkdex though.
22:52 williamdunne Not quite, MIMEX, but not awfully far off it
22:52 decimation where is the winklevoss etf by the way
22:52 decimation it's like 2 years late
22:53 williamdunne While I'm going to be putting myself very publicly as the face of the company, I'm not the only one responsible for it
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22:53 pete_dushenski decimation: on the diamond train, 2 years might as well be 2 minutes too late
22:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116950 @ 0.00035012 = 40.9465 BTC [+] {3}
22:54 decimation yeah exactly
22:54 decimation http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/06/04/fbi-official-companies-should-help-us-prevent-encryption-above-all-else/
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22:54 assbot FBI official: Companies should help us ‘prevent encryption above all else’ - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1KIdIgE )
22:55 williamdunne wasn't it suspected that the SEC (or was it CFTC, or was it both? God knows) wasn't too amused with the fact that all of the exchanges are not regulated and based in God's favourite country?
22:55 decimation yeah well that was always suspected
22:55 decimation but nobody has come forward with facts as far as I know
22:56 pete_dushenski decimation: i can imagine employers shaking their 'devil hand' symbols at employees using unapproved encryption
22:57 pete_dushenski http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/signs/pope_ratzinger-satan_sign.jpg << as displayed by this hitler youth feller
22:57 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQXIJ8 )
22:57 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154505 << trivial. same reason usg isn't burying any of us alive in freshly-printed benjies
22:57 assbot Logged on 05-06-2015 02:03:53; *: mircea_popescu is confused by this contradiction
22:57 asciilifeform or for that matter gasenwagen
22:57 * pete_dushenski wonders where duckduckgo finds these photos.
22:58 asciilifeform they're still following the 'close your eyes and the room will go dark' algo.
22:58 decimation pete_dushenski: heh
22:59 pete_dushenski williamdunne: careful with that "it's not just my fault" approach. look where it got fatso. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151445
22:59 assbot Logged on 02-06-2015 17:22:10; mircea_popescu: magicaltux, and you're comment as ot whether "he's to blame entirely"
23:00 decimation asciilifeform: one thing I was thinking the other day - now many women are in the workforce instead of at home - but because the number of dollars is not constant, all that has resulted is that both parents are on the treadmill
23:00 decimation instead of only one
23:00 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: it's a contagious condition, this eyes closing = tikkun olam shtick
23:00 williamdunne pete_dushenski: Not yet convinced, while he is responsible I do think there must have been a malicious third party involved which I suspect to be the USG
23:00 asciilifeform decimation: this realization is at least a century old
23:01 decimation 100 years ago people who owned a house could also afford at least one or two servants to help with childcare/home
23:01 pete_dushenski williamdunne: that's not really the point here. the point is that he's the one of the hook. fatso's von flondor.
23:01 williamdunne Oh for sure, not questioning that at all
23:02 williamdunne One of the main things I've been focusing on is getting as many degrees of separation as reasonably possible from USG
23:02 decimation http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32821678 < not a bad college plan
23:02 assbot How US students get a university degree for free in Germany - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQY9TG )
23:02 pete_dushenski ok then. so... be mindful of who you're associating yourself with, is all. and what you're the face of, regardless of its apparent usg-icity to you.
23:03 pete_dushenski ^williamdunne again !
23:03 pete_dushenski 1. it might not be readily apparent what is and is not 'usg' from your vantage point.
23:03 pete_dushenski 2. that's not the only landmine in the world.
23:04 williamdunne pete_dushenski: Indeed. Outside of fiat which is impossible to keep sole control of, I am responsible for funds. If something were to go wrong it would be my head on the pike.
23:04 williamdunne But yeah
23:04 pete_dushenski is ver 'usg' or just a fucking retard ? doesn't really matter, does it.
23:04 williamdunne Plenty of risks involved
23:05 pete_dushenski so one person does funds, one person does other things ? you might excuse me for being suddenly reminded of magicaltux's recent 'decentralise the exchanges' essay
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23:05 williamdunne No no no
23:05 pete_dushenski not that i'm suggesting 'key escrow'
23:06 williamdunne fiat I can't control because I'm not both the bank and the central bank
23:06 williamdunne But I am the account signatory
23:06 asciilifeform williamdunne: the usg connection of karpeles is as clear as daylight, considering how he is investigationally untouchable (both in the sr trials and in the greatest btc-related monetary black hole known to date)
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23:07 asciilifeform !up KRS1
23:07 KRS1 thanks
23:08 KRS1 Can you spare just 1 BTC? Ranji is a 9yr old boy living in Namibia. He has only 1 leg, 1 arm and 1 eye. Each day he has to ride 7 miles to school along a narrow road on a rusty bike with bent wheels, no brakes and only 1 pedal.
23:08 asciilifeform l0l
23:08 pete_dushenski KRS1: address ?
23:08 KRS1 If you send me just 1 BTC I will send you the video. Its fuckin' hilarious!
23:08 pete_dushenski aw... he left.
23:08 decimation meowmix?
23:08 williamdunne 1 BTC will hire the local village drunk to bludgeon him with a stone, to put the poor child out of his misery
23:08 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154566 << the whole 'clipper chip affair reloaded!' thing is half of a classical 'good cop/bad cop' act
23:08 assbot Logged on 05-06-2015 02:54:13; decimation: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/06/04/fbi-official-companies-should-help-us-prevent-encryption-above-all-else/
23:08 danielpbarron i recognize that name, possibly from otc
23:09 asciilifeform decimation: chumpers are to think, presumably, that if 'big bad fbi' 'hates crypto' therefore 'buy redphone!'
23:09 decimation asciilifeform: yeah, but I don't think it's an act
23:09 decimation I suspect there are people in usg who hold his views exactly
23:09 pete_dushenski danielpbarron: he's been here before. i assumed he was kidding !
23:09 asciilifeform decimation: the actors in the act are the best kind, from the standpoint of the muppetmasters - they don't know they are actors, likely
23:09 danielpbarron williamdunne, you got my latertell ok?
23:09 trinque I'd watch that video, got 0.001 BTC on it
23:10 williamdunne danielpbarron: Did thanks, think you got one in return
23:10 pete_dushenski williamdunne: i dunno who's rougher now, you or that cop ;)
23:10 williamdunne danielpbarron: Not sure why she couldn't have just come on here D:
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23:10 williamdunne pete_dushenski: THE COP WAS JUSTIFIED, DO YOU WANT THE TERRORISTS TO WIN
23:10 williamdunne yeah, thats what I thought
23:10 danielpbarron ah, stupid gribble doesn't send it till i send him a command
23:10 asciilifeform decimation: i still had a scrap of doubt about zimmerman's betrayal all the way until i got into a d.c. metro car plastered, literally floor to ceiling, with 'redphone' ads.
23:11 williamdunne danielpbarron: Deaf and dumb robots
23:11 asciilifeform the notion that this would be permitted were he not a usg asset, or that his little shop of horrors could afford the fee, is sheer lunacy
23:11 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: could be worse, could be lanier pumping the windoze phoenz
23:12 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: who the hell cares what a transparent shill does
23:12 pete_dushenski williamdunne: did i say he wasn't ?
23:12 williamdunne pete_dushenski: heavily implied ;)
23:12 asciilifeform (for non-mordor folks, i will add that the entire train, and in fact all the trains i was in that day, had the same ads)
23:12 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: people who buy redphone, i suppose.
23:13 pete_dushenski williamdunne: naturally
23:14 decimation https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2015/06/03/the-purpose-of-absurdity/ <
23:14 assbot The purpose of absurdity | Bloody shovel ... ( http://bit.ly/1KIfr5A )
23:15 decimation Zhao Gao knew how to play the actors
23:15 asciilifeform decimation: the concept described in the linked piece is known as 'shit test' to the pua enthusiasts
23:15 decimation yeah more-or-less
23:16 decimation but the important element is that one must 'make believe' in the appropriate way
23:16 decimation In the West of course we have Hans Christen Andersen?s tale about the kid and the emperor?s new clothes. The funny part is it?s fiction. And the story is just about a child, who having a pure heart, dares to say the truth against the powerful.
23:16 mats fun fact: 'zhao gao' also translates to 'terrible'
23:16 decimation The moral is that we should be ashamed of ourselves and aspire to be as virtuous as this child. But of course in reality this child would have been arrested and executed, alongside his parents. Which is obviously why nobody tells the king about his new clothes. They?re not stupid.
23:16 * williamdunne is off for the night
23:17 asciilifeform the yudkowskyans call it 'evaporative cooling' (to describe why doomsday cults on day n+1 after planned 'doomsday' not only do not fall apart, but get more 'culty')
23:17 asciilifeform named for physical effect where fastest molecules phase off into vapour and whole thing has lower energy as per boltzmann
23:18 decimation asciilifeform: but there's an interesting parallel to usg: they 'won' the cold war, yet failed to unemploy the 'national security' complex
23:18 asciilifeform (for those who slept through school)
23:18 decimation now they want to bring of the end of days by destroying terrorism
23:18 asciilifeform the 'eternal war' thing is summarized by herr orwell
23:19 decimation but the deeply weird thing is that nobody questions - 'oh those people who were working on red commies are now working on terrorism'
23:19 decimation that's a great set of clothes. the deer is a fine horse, etc
23:19 trinque "freedom from terrorism" is a particularly insidious concept
23:19 trinque that jumped out at me right away
23:19 trinque I expect to hear that phrase again
23:21 asciilifeform trinque: it arguably descends from u.s. hitler (fdr) 's phrase 'freedom from fear'
23:21 trinque didn't our thing eat all his useful folks?
23:21 trinque sounds about right
23:21 decimation Spandrell made another good point in his next post: "Say a woman that gets a job before of a female quota, but is chosen specifically because she isn?t a loud feminist and does not abuse her legal privilege. Will she ever abandon feminism? Most likely not. After all she owes her job to feminism, even if she had to take a second sanity test. But she has nothing to win, and quite a lot to lose from abolishing female quotas."
23:22 decimation ^ how usg employment works
23:22 asciilifeform phun phakt for non-u.s. folks: usg contractors who are registered as 'woman-owned' get preferential contract status. the practical consequence of this is that a great many operators of such firms have them registered in wife's name
23:23 asciilifeform (makes for interesting divorce proceedings, one might imagine)
23:23 pete_dushenski or tighter pre-nups
23:23 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: pre-nups, as a general rule, don't work in usa
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23:24 pete_dushenski for real ?
23:24 asciilifeform (more accurately, they work in the same manner as patents. which is to say, if you have infinite money and are willing to spend most of it on lawyers, it can be made to 'work' in a way.)
23:24 decimation asciilifeform: also there's supposedly a super-category for minorities/handicapped/veterans
23:24 trinque and if you have kids involved, forget it
23:25 decimation https://www.sba.gov/category/navigation-structure/eligibility-requirements
23:25 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: i guess i figured that since usa is where they're mostly use, that pre-nups work there. upon reflection, this is a nonsensical conclusion !
23:25 asciilifeform decimation: the golden quadrifecta is female minority crippled in iraq
23:25 trinque the court can rule in "the best interest of the child"
23:25 asciilifeform trinque: even in the absence of children, imagine that, l0l
23:25 trinque well she might later, and he owes her!
23:25 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: again, they 'work' like patents 'work'
23:25 decimation asciilifeform: yeah, it's a real thing too I hear. if one of these 8(a) qualified companies enter bidding, they automatically win
23:25 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: mhm. so it would seem
23:25 asciilifeform which is to say, every idiot who wastes time and money on it imagines that it will work in his case, because celebrity xxxxx
23:26 asciilifeform 'patents are great, look at edison'
23:26 decimation everything usg does is partially mixed with its 'civil relgion'
23:26 asciilifeform how could it be otherwise.
23:27 decimation greenspun has a continual rant on the divorce racket
23:27 * trinque cannot think of a single reason he would marry
23:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117450 @ 0.00034004 = 39.9377 BTC [-] {2}
23:28 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154551 << which board is that ?
23:28 assbot Logged on 05-06-2015 02:48:58; williamdunne: Latest board resolution contains a line similar to the one in a couple of MPEX contracts that goes along the lines of "The company deems this contract valid, regardless of the opinion or declaration of any person, regardless of what title that they may choose to fashion themselves with" lol
23:28 decimation it's a good way to raise children, but lord help you if you marry the wrong woman
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23:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32722 @ 0.00033939 = 11.1055 BTC [-] {2}
23:29 trinque decimation: I don't mind the thought of raising kids at all; still don't think I'd marry
23:30 asciilifeform decimation: it is interesting to consider the implications of mass 'awakening' to btc as an anti-divorcetheft instrument
23:30 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154562 <---> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154694
23:30 assbot Logged on 05-06-2015 02:53:01; williamdunne: While I'm going to be putting myself very publicly as the face of the company, I'm not the only one responsible for it
23:30 assbot Logged on 05-06-2015 03:28:58; decimation: it's a good way to raise children, but lord help you if you marry the wrong woman
23:30 trinque asciilifeform: not a bad point there
23:30 asciilifeform decimation: the likely next step for usg is probably 'naggum-style' taxation on 'what you probably earned and hid'
23:30 mircea_popescu asciilifeform or anti-fiat-theft generally
23:30 asciilifeform sorta like the silk road sentence
23:30 mircea_popescu taxation ; redistribution ; alimony ; you name it-y
23:30 trinque having too much btc will have a word like "structuring" pretty soon
23:30 trinque utterly devoid of meaning aside from "and for this we will fuck you dry"
23:31 asciilifeform 'so, mr schmuck, you ran a widget factory, brought in p/yr. ex-mrs schmuck is now entitled to y*(p-r) where r was your rent'
23:31 decimation mircea_popescu: I don't get your point re: <--->
23:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform not that far off, it is after all the argument they brought before australian courts against austian dotcom kid. or for that matter in swiss courts against belgian dude.
23:31 mircea_popescu "this person is charged with being more powerful than we like to see."
23:31 pete_dushenski decimation: business is marriage, and vice versa
23:31 asciilifeform for so long as the robbers even bother to construct arguments, they will necessarily take this form
23:31 mircea_popescu decimation that it's the same thing, basially.
23:32 decimation ah I see what you are getting at, need to choose your partners carefully
23:33 asciilifeform sorta like that fable, where the sheep asks the wolf what his 'crime' was, why he deserves to be eaten, and wolf answers 'your crime was that i am hungry and you are fat'
23:33 decimation asciilifeform: yeah but if your wealth is in bitcoin, it's not obvious you are a sheep nor fat
23:33 asciilifeform decimation: thing is, it is still obvious if usd walked in and didn't walk out
23:33 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154566 << no. fbi agents should help us prevent usg above all else.
23:33 assbot Logged on 05-06-2015 02:54:13; decimation: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/06/04/fbi-official-companies-should-help-us-prevent-encryption-above-all-else/
23:33 asciilifeform (of your pocket)
23:34 decimation asciilifeform: yeah, usg can still claim usd tax
23:34 asciilifeform just like the ancient observation that if two walk into a cave, and one walks out, someone probably got clobbered
23:34 decimation but they can't send agents to question why you withdrew $10k
23:35 asciilifeform this is, for example, why 'coinbase' will happily sell u.s. folks btc
23:35 asciilifeform decimation: l0l, tell it to that congresscritter
23:35 decimation I mean $10k in btc
23:35 asciilifeform well yes, but they know that $10k walked in in usd
23:35 pete_dushenski then 'withdrew' from where ?
23:35 asciilifeform and never walked out
23:36 decimation yeah this is a point, as long as usd is 'money' they can toy with anyone
23:36 asciilifeform anyone paid in usd, at any rate
23:36 decimation anyone forced to use usd to eat bread
23:37 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154601 << it is how bitbet works.
23:37 assbot Logged on 05-06-2015 03:05:28; pete_dushenski: so one person does funds, one person does other things ? you might excuse me for being suddenly reminded of magicaltux's recent 'decentralise the exchanges' essay
23:38 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: upon reflection, alternative is either a) have one person do everything, or b) 'multisig'
23:38 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154606 << just one more asset ended up with head on pike, now barking at the outskirts.
23:38 assbot Logged on 05-06-2015 03:06:48; asciilifeform: williamdunne: the usg connection of karpeles is as clear as daylight, considering how he is investigationally untouchable (both in the sr trials and in the greatest btc-related monetary black hole known to date)
23:38 decimation mircea_popescu: those agents investigating dpr apparently 'switched sides'
23:38 pete_dushenski so i guess the bitbet model makes sense.
23:38 * mircea_popescu is rooting for him, gavin and that radioshow derp getting together and starting a wallet site or something.
23:39 asciilifeform decimation: if the fools had the elementary common sense to share the bakshish up the chain of command, they'd be walking still
23:39 * pete_dushenski imagines 'decentralised' mit wallet
23:39 decimation asciilifeform: this was sop in su as I understand
23:39 asciilifeform decimation: in all 'orcish' nations
23:39 mircea_popescu asciilifeform honestly i dun think so.
23:40 mircea_popescu it's shocking enough that one dea agent defected over about 1 year's nominal pay.
23:40 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: there is a long list of idiocies not yet surfaced. for instance, a usg stooge will eventually propose 'wallets' keyed to passport chips or the like
23:40 mircea_popescu the notion that an entire hierarchy would manage to split it into bits... heh.
23:40 mircea_popescu i dun see it.
23:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the quantities are not co-measurable
23:40 mircea_popescu maybe.
23:40 decimation usg has promised all of them a comforatable retirement if they play ball
23:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: half a mil in usd is not 'i-can-give-it-to-isis-money'
23:40 asciilifeform btc - is.
23:41 trinque it remains to be seen what charges these guys end up with
23:41 asciilifeform usd is considerably closer to being paid in month-old sausages than to money
23:41 asciilifeform yes, it's valuable, in a sense
23:41 asciilifeform and you can live on it
23:41 trinque and I wonder how many got away with it
23:41 asciilifeform but where is it 10 yrs from now
23:41 mircea_popescu what do you suppose ten-twenty twerps can do with enough money to buy isis a humvee each ?
23:42 mircea_popescu they already donated 2.5k of them or w/e
23:42 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: i look forward to it. my new passport is a 10-year affair and has some sort of electronics in it. "don't get passport wet, treat like mobile device" it says.
23:42 asciilifeform this is the difference between money and scip
23:42 asciilifeform scrip
23:42 mircea_popescu anyway, the one important point in all this is - even the people on govt team don't like other people on govt team enough to go partners.
23:42 mircea_popescu think about that. it's like being in a bar where you hate everyone to the point you wouldnt buy them a drink.
23:42 mircea_popescu why the fuck are you there then
23:43 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they would have, if they could be sure of 'blink back' when 'blinking eyelashes' up the chain of command
23:43 mircea_popescu aha. exactly.
23:43 mircea_popescu and they'd hit on the hot blonde, if they could be sure of same.
23:43 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you're there because you were born and raised there and door is welded shut ?
23:43 mircea_popescu as it is tho...
23:44 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154628 << o did stoya ever answer ?
23:44 assbot Logged on 05-06-2015 03:10:20; williamdunne: danielpbarron: Not sure why she couldn't have just come on here D:
23:45 decimation maybe usg employees think that if the just stick around one more year they can 'change the system' liked they fantasized about when they signed up
23:45 decimation or maybe most of them are unemployable in 'the real world'
23:45 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: to grasp this, it is necessary to look through the porthole glass on the atomic dirigible, down to the planet below - where most folks are so thoroughly wedded to their meal ticket that they do not really perceive themselves as having a choice of what sort of system to be part of, aside from the abstract choice of eating one's pistol
23:45 asciilifeform (the latter is an increasingly common path out of u.s. army - ever wonder why?)
23:46 mircea_popescu most of them are necessarily unemployable in the real world
23:46 decimation asciilifeform: note that this 'marriage' isn't really about a meal as much as a fantasy
23:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151523 @ 0.00033658 = 50.9996 BTC [-] {2}
23:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.20538785 = 1.0269 BTC [-]
23:46 asciilifeform decimation: it is about 'i do this and i keep eating; i don't - and don't'
23:46 decimation for instance, spacex runs on the same 'fumes'
23:47 decimation people are willing to spend their lives gaining skills only to end up paying elon to work for him
23:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform doesn't that sound like something to discontinue on general principle ?
23:47 asciilifeform spacex ultimately runs on the apparatus whereby continent full of schmucks is robbed of what little they produce
23:47 mircea_popescu what are they, sharecroppers ?
23:47 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: sure!
23:47 mircea_popescu i suppose the one true differential between lords and peons is the answer to the simple question
23:47 decimation people in the midwest have kids, some of them have skills, and they end up in some bureaucracy
23:47 mircea_popescu "is life a good above all else"
23:47 mircea_popescu all yes in this pile. all no in that pile. end of story.
23:48 asciilifeform there is also the realization, shared by the more-intellectually-bent part of usa, that 'if i were to be paid what i am worth, i will starve and be boiled for soap. therefore gotta help carry on the scam'
23:48 decimation asciilifeform: yeah that's surely the majority of usg
23:48 asciilifeform it is virtually everyone
23:48 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is a very poor excuse for not coming up with better scams.
23:48 asciilifeform i, for instance, have precisely zero desire to be 'paid what i'm worth'
23:48 mircea_popescu note that i am not proposing for civilisation to go away
23:49 decimation how do you outscam the printing press?
23:49 asciilifeform ^
23:49 mircea_popescu there's always a way.
23:49 asciilifeform short of perpetuum mobile, which physical reality balks at - printing press is -the- scam.
23:49 asciilifeform sorta the carnot engine of sc4mz0r1ng
23:50 decimation well, generally the 'way' in the us is to be on the benefit side of the printing press
23:50 asciilifeform decimation: pretty much every living thing in nato-dom is alive beneficiary of the printing press.
23:50 mircea_popescu out of the crooked timber of humanity, no THE thing was ever made.
23:51 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: printing press scam is directly analogous to carnot engine. it is the closest shave one can give the sheep without skinning them
23:51 asciilifeform or at least aims to be
23:51 mircea_popescu well.
23:51 mircea_popescu consider : roman empire also used the same process.
23:51 asciilifeform hence the astonishingly baroque refinements it is subject to
23:52 asciilifeform romans had not yet calculating machines, and did not have anything quite like modern 'derivatives' etc
23:52 asciilifeform whereas today you can actually make a chump who insists on knowing precisely how he is being chumped be left with an np-complete problem!
23:52 mircea_popescu actually, they did. both.
23:53 mircea_popescu and if zenon's arrow in flight discussion is not exactly the latter...
23:53 asciilifeform that's sorta like saying that they had modern construction equipment. yes, there were cranes powered with man-sized hamster wheels
23:53 asciilifeform but not same
23:53 mircea_popescu i propose to you that for an army of archers, plate armor is much more than our current ceramic plating and woven nylons.
23:54 mircea_popescu similarly, it can perhaps be argued successfully that the romans had better "social sciences" in the weaponized, political sense
23:54 asciilifeform quite similar, in that plate was astonishingly expensive
23:54 mircea_popescu than the us ever did or ever will.
23:54 trinque americans are helplessly narcissistic and cannot collaborate
23:54 trinque that's why they didn't think up a better scam
23:54 mircea_popescu what, unlike the friends, romans, countrymen ?
23:54 mircea_popescu gimme a break.
23:55 trinque perhaps not; I'd expect though that we're incredibly low on the scale
23:55 trinque I don't think the way in which communication happens here would be considered high bandwidth
23:55 asciilifeform what would the hypothetical 'better scam' look like ?
23:56 asciilifeform as it is, half the planet toils so that u.s. schmucks can get tankers full of little orange plastic pumpkins every october to hang on their porch
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23:56 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154671 << they can only be enforced by women against men, moreover.
23:56 assbot Logged on 05-06-2015 03:23:52; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: pre-nups, as a general rule, don't work in usa
23:56 asciilifeform better scam would result in what? more pumpkins ?
23:56 mircea_popescu if you have a deal that says she walks without any money or children, it'll be thrown out.
23:56 mircea_popescu if it says the reverse... well duh.
23:57 trinque more bitcoins for Mr Force, I thought
23:57 asciilifeform trinque: we (or at least i) do not know how many bitcoins -presently- for yellen
23:57 asciilifeform or thiel
23:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i dunno.
23:59 asciilifeform trinque: the basic crime of herr force - aside from the unforgivable 'didn't pass the bakshish up the chain' - is that a commoner has pretense to lordly things
23:59 trinque asciilifeform: here's a better scam; kill the price for a bit by imploding gox
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