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00:03 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149352 on one hand, they're talking to a crowd, and for that particular crowd talking sense means you lose. why the fuck they imagine against plainly obvious reality that it still matters or can help them is besides the point here. on the other hand, they don't want to help. formulating cogent criticisms is helping.
00:03 assbot Logged on 01-06-2015 02:54:08; asciilifeform: imho one of the most perplexing things about 'anti-bitcoin' agitators is how they all - to a man - miss the most cogent argument against bitcoin: it being, how it is implemented
00:04 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149357 << you must have missed the story about the powerless airbus because java.
00:04 assbot Logged on 01-06-2015 02:55:51; asciilifeform: most folks have had some (albeit unconscious) encounters with it - riding airplanes, etc
00:04 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149360 << nothing worth the mention was ever done by anything but hobbysts. they do flight. "industry" and so on does the f-35.
00:04 assbot Logged on 01-06-2015 02:59:32; decimation: certainly not by hobbyists
00:05 decimation that's a point, but there's a world of difference between a flying bicycle and a fancy jet
00:07 mircea_popescu "In a short notice published last month, the National Institute for Standards and Technology (NIST) announced it was retiring a number of Federal Information Processing Standards (FIPS) because they were obsolete. Notably, that list of retirements includes FIPS-185."
00:08 mircea_popescu and someone somewhere still naively proposes the nist be taken as anything but the goskomstat ?
00:08 mircea_popescu decimation the jet is merely a derivative work off hobbysts stuff
00:08 decimation in fact if you would have zapped an f-35 back to kitty hawk, nc the wright brothers would have just given up
00:08 mircea_popescu in this case, henry coanda.
00:09 mircea_popescu decimation o, they would, would they ?
00:09 decimation 'derivative' in the sense that the wright flyer had almost zero in common, other than they were both flying things
00:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45900 @ 0.00033067 = 15.1778 BTC [+] {2}
00:10 mircea_popescu i said coanda
00:11 decimation the wright brothers almost immediately began selling to usg
00:12 decimation who else is gonna pay for the sun
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00:31 hanbot hey mod6 well done on the foundation report. clearly & intelligibly conveys the ample and useful work being done.
00:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50232 @ 0.00033596 = 16.8759 BTC [+] {2}
00:37 mircea_popescu ;;google 1 exahash
00:37 gribble What does one exahash look like? | StandardCrypto: <http://blog.standardcrypto.com/2013/09/17/what-does-one-exahash-look-like/>; BitBet - BTC network hashrate will exceed 1 Exahash/s before June ...: <https://bitbet.us/bet/1074/btc-network-hashrate-will-exceed-1-exahash-s-before/>; BitcoinBrothers - GetHashing Crypto Community Forum: (1 more message)
00:38 mircea_popescu win
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01:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62850 @ 0.00033897 = 21.3043 BTC [+] {4}
01:15 mod6 thx hanbot :]
01:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00034015 = 7.1432 BTC [+]
01:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00033335 = 5.0503 BTC [-] {2}
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01:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40900 @ 0.00034015 = 13.9121 BTC [+]
02:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44800 @ 0.00033201 = 14.874 BTC [-]
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02:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21350 @ 0.00034015 = 7.2622 BTC [+]
02:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55077 @ 0.00033039 = 18.1969 BTC [-] {3}
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03:01 BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/Free_Ross/status/605177614282715137
03:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27539 @ 0.00032955 = 9.0755 BTC [-]
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03:22 mats i miss assbot titles
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03:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20891 @ 0.00032937 = 6.8809 BTC [-] {2}
03:40 mats http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2015/May-31/299962-iraq-lost-2300-humvees-in-mosul-pm.ashx
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03:45 mats http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/05/30/no-women-pass-army-ranger-school-three-invited-to-start-over.html?ESRC=todayinmil.sm
03:55 BingoBoingo !up chalbersma
03:55 BingoBoingo !up liquidassets
03:59 liquidassets ;;rate BingoBoingo leader of men, helped me get started with gpg, knows how to write a headline!
03:59 gribble Error: 'leader' is not a valid integer.
04:00 liquidassets ;;rate BingoBoingo 1 leader of men, helped me get started with gpg, knows how to write a headline!
04:00 gribble Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
04:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14073 @ 0.00032792 = 4.6148 BTC [-]
04:00 liquidassets !h
04:00 assbot http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
04:04 chalbersma Hello all. It's been too long.
04:13 BingoBoingo It really has
04:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58900 @ 0.00033992 = 20.0213 BTC [+] {2}
04:16 chalbersma How have things been?
04:23 scoopbot_revived Qntra (S.QNTR) May 2015 Statement http://qntra.net/2015/06/qntra-s-qntr-may-2015-statement/
04:23 BingoBoingo not too bad
04:23 chalbersma Good to hear.
04:24 liquidassets chalbersma can you tell me about atc P2Pool ?
04:25 chalbersma Sure what do you wish to know?
04:28 BingoBoingo !UP liquidassets
04:29 liquidassets thanks
04:31 liquidassets chalbersma mining is foreign to me, do you make the nodes? how do you become a client?
04:32 liquidassets !s ATC
04:32 assbot 1216 results for 'ATC' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ATC
04:33 chalbersma So with P2Pool the idea is that you will run a mining "pool" that share's it's load with other mining "pools". There a cryptographic chain keeping track of work so that you can't cheat or mine a block and then keep it. So in the end instead of having one centralized plae where all the mining work is kept you get the benefits of the pool with bitcoin like decentralization.
04:34 chalbersma In this case I forked the bitcoin p2pool implementation (https://github.com/forrestv/p2pool) added a better interface and ported it over to ATC pool (under the hoods it're really just a couple of lines).
04:34 chalbersma Think is I don't think that anybody is actually using ATC P2Pool implementation anymore. The contract for the build had 1 month of runtime and then MP and Ragnar I believe ran the p2pool node for a while. But ATC didn't seem to catch on that much.
04:36 BingoBoingo http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/ << Mining with chainhoppers became untenable
04:37 chalbersma Yes at the time they had a big problem with the network effect. Difficulty had skyrocketed because of some market movement that made it (temporarily) more profitable to mine than bitcoin.
04:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33674 @ 0.00034015 = 11.4542 BTC [+]
04:41 BingoBoingo Well, it was just the difficulty cycling. For a while it was manageable, but eventually swings were uncontainable
04:41 liquidassets thanks for sharing, so what was unique about the fork, just the interface?
04:42 BingoBoingo Oh it was pretty much just bitcoin with some different numbers
04:43 chalbersma Fork of P2Pool or ATC?
04:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.0003333 = 2.8664 BTC [-]
04:48 chalbersma !btc
04:49 liquidassets What is ATC I can't find a reference
04:50 liquidassets So ATC is a specific pool of miners?
04:52 BingoBoingo liquidassets: ATC was... Altcoin
04:52 BingoBoingo atc.blockr.io
04:53 liquidassets an altcoin named Altcoin?
04:53 BingoBoingo Yeah
04:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54533 @ 0.0003333 = 18.1758 BTC [-]
04:55 chalbersma yep
04:55 mats so meta
04:56 liquidassets so you're responsible
04:56 liquidassets j/k
04:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00034015 = 1.9048 BTC [+]
05:10 punkman asciilifeform: decimation: if you didn't verify the entire blockchain from end to end, you aren't a node! << this will be fun to do because of all the different openssl versions that have shat on the blockchain. iirc the thing skips verification of whole blocks and then relies on verifying a single (checkpoint) block.
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05:11 punkman and when I tried to verify all of them, it blew up before block 150k
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05:25 cazalla lol australian housing bubble keeps on going.. place not far from here auctioned on weekend.. i figured it'd go for 600k maybe 650k.. sells for 971k http://www.realestate.com.au/property-house-vic-ringwood-119702667
05:33 BingoBoingo 3 bed, 2 bath?
05:34 cazalla what.. one million isn't reasonable for that?
05:38 BingoBoingo In this part of USia a freestanding house of that size would more prominently be advertsising... vast tracts of land...
05:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71250 @ 0.00034042 = 24.2549 BTC [+] {3}
05:40 cazalla prob isn't working class people buying it but the chinese.. a lot of foreign investment of aussie housing is coming from china past few years, thought is that they dont mind paying huge premiums just to get their money outta there
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05:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15723 @ 0.0003333 = 5.2405 BTC [-]
05:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39550 @ 0.00032904 = 13.0135 BTC [-] {2}
05:53 BingoBoingo Ah, stamp collecting
06:01 scoopbot_revived A sunnier side of Narcissus. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/01/a-sunnier-side-of-narcissus/
06:09 scoopbot_revived Foundation Report Bring Bitcoin Client Performance Improvement and Testing http://qntra.net/2015/06/foundation-report-bring-bitcoin-client-performance-improvement-and-testing/
06:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8126 @ 0.000329 = 2.6735 BTC [-]
06:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00032819 = 6.4982 BTC [-]
06:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12801 @ 0.00032835 = 4.2032 BTC [+] {2}
06:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29750 @ 0.00033038 = 9.8288 BTC [+] {2}
06:37 punkman http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/malaysia-airlines-technically-bankrupt-after-twin-air-disasters-spur-thousands-of-job-losses-10288533.html
06:47 jurov http://www.edwards.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/2015/03/150322-F-EU155-480.jpg lol around here "aircraft" denotes ponzi or sketchy enterprise
06:52 jurov !mpif
06:52 assbot BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021372 B (Total: 467.36 B). Delta: 0.18 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]
06:52 jurov ! m f.mpif
06:52 jurov !t m f.mpif
06:52 assbot [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.000206 / 0.00020666 / 0.000207 (89560 shares, 18.51 BTC)
06:53 jurov ;;calc 21372/1.01
06:53 gribble 21160.3960396
06:53 jurov ;;calc 21372*1.01
06:53 gribble 21585.72
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07:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35813 @ 0.00033192 = 11.8871 BTC [+]
08:02 scoopbot_revived The sexual chains that bind. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/01/the-sexual-chains-that-bind/
08:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4507 @ 0.00033192 = 1.496 BTC [+]
08:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79644 @ 0.00032717 = 26.0571 BTC [-] {2}
08:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45908 @ 0.00032898 = 15.1028 BTC [+] {2}
08:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52792 @ 0.00033607 = 17.7418 BTC [+]
08:32 jurov deedbot- http://explo.yt/public/fmpif_201505.txt.asc
08:33 deedbot- accepted: 1
08:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24850 @ 0.0003263 = 8.1086 BTC [-]
08:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41521 @ 0.00033616 = 13.9577 BTC [+] {3}
08:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39500 @ 0.00034236 = 13.5232 BTC [+] {2}
08:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00032481 = 2.6634 BTC [-] {2}
08:53 scoopbot_revived F.MPIF May 2015 trading statement http://explo.yt/post/2015/06/01/F.MPIF-May-2015-trading-statement
09:01 mircea_popescu lol ddosing trilema etc, srsly ?
09:01 mircea_popescu noobs.
09:13 BingoBoingo !up devthedev
09:16 BingoBoingo !s RNG
09:16 assbot 378 results for 'RNG' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=RNG
09:27 BingoBoingo !up bitcoinalpha
09:27 bitcoinalpha mircea popescu is a lowlife scumbag
09:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78250 @ 0.00034005 = 26.6089 BTC [+] {3}
09:28 mircea_popescu herp ?
09:30 bitcoinalpha what are you going to do about gavincoin?
09:30 mircea_popescu not give a shit ?
09:30 mircea_popescu same thing i did about doge, keisercoin, auroracoin, younameitcoin
09:31 mircea_popescu bitcoin has no shortage of satoshi impersonators trying to push scamcoins.
09:32 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149468 << clearly they were armored o.O
09:32 assbot Logged on 01-06-2015 07:40:26; mats: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2015/May-31/299962-iraq-lost-2300-humvees-in-mosul-pm.ashx
09:33 bitcoinalpha mircea: comment about the 30% price decline ?
09:33 bitcoinalpha since jan 1
09:33 mircea_popescu i think reddit awaits you.
09:33 mircea_popescu !down bitcoinalpha
09:35 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149466 << yeah, they were useful.
09:35 assbot Logged on 01-06-2015 07:22:44; mats: i miss assbot titles
09:38 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149517 << as ruined by gavin & co, yes.
09:38 assbot Logged on 01-06-2015 09:10:39; punkman: asciilifeform: decimation: if you didn't verify the entire blockchain from end to end, you aren't a node! << this will be fun to do because of all the different openssl versions that have shat on the blockchain. iirc the thing skips verification of whole blocks and then relies on verifying a single (checkpoint) block.
09:38 mircea_popescu but they were disallowed from actually taking the next step, ie, make blocks unverifiable.
09:38 mircea_popescu atm the whole chain still verifies if you care to.
09:39 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149518 << obviously, you can't use the scam bitcoind versions for this purpose.
09:39 assbot Logged on 01-06-2015 09:11:43; punkman: and when I tried to verify all of them, it blew up before block 150k
09:40 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149524 << pretty much exactly. argentine housing bubble is supported by the fact that locals can't get their money out, so they buy real estate "for investment", ie, way overpriced.
09:40 assbot Logged on 01-06-2015 09:40:31; cazalla: prob isn't working class people buying it but the chinese.. a lot of foreign investment of aussie housing is coming from china past few years, thought is that they dont mind paying huge premiums just to get their money outta there
09:42 punkman mircea_popescu: atm the whole chain still verifies if you care to. << has anyone actually accomplished this? verify every single transaction and block to date?
09:43 mircea_popescu yes.
09:43 mircea_popescu get say the foundation bitcoin, do it yourself.
09:43 punkman my test was with foundation bitcoind before the release though
09:43 punkman maybe I had wrong openssl version, dunno
09:44 mircea_popescu which was this ?
09:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30100 @ 0.00034289 = 10.321 BTC [+]
09:46 punkman which this?
09:48 mircea_popescu " foundation bitcoind before the release"
09:51 punkman I think I put in all the patches currently listed on thebitcoin.foundation front page, except perhaps static-makefile.tar.gz. And used whatever openssl etc that was present on my debian7 system.
09:52 punkman 0.5.3.1-RELEASE doesn't verify everything, needs removal of the conditional that skips blocks
09:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38003 @ 0.00032128 = 12.2096 BTC [-] {2}
09:53 punkman !up shinohai
09:53 shinohai thx punkman
09:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20447 @ 0.00031823 = 6.5068 BTC [-]
09:55 shinohai mod6 when you return, wanted to let you know I built without the irc peer discovery and it works nice.
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09:57 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Is the qntra server under DoS?
09:57 mircea_popescu yeah
09:59 mircea_popescu 256 requests currently being processed, 0 idle workers
09:59 mircea_popescu RWWRWCRWWWRWCWWRCWCCCWWCWRRRCWWWWWCCWCCCWWCRCWWWWCCWRWWWRRWCRRWC
09:59 mircea_popescu RWRWRWWWWRRRRCWWWCCRRWCWWWRRWRRWRRWCWCWRWWRRWRWRRWRRCWRCRWCCWRRW
09:59 mircea_popescu CWRRCWRWRCRRWRWWWWWCCCWRCWWWWWWRWCRWWCRRWCRRWCWWWRWRCWCRCCWCRRWW
09:59 mircea_popescu RWWWRWWRWRRCWCRWCWWWCCWRWRWCCWRCWWRCWWWRWWRRWWCWWCRCRWRWRCCWCCCW
09:59 mircea_popescu sorta deal >D
09:59 BingoBoingo ah
10:00 mircea_popescu anyway, server's fine, just slow.
10:00 mircea_popescu i prefer this, because it drains the attacker.
10:00 mircea_popescu and besides... servers made for workin neh ? 100% capacity ftw.
10:01 mircea_popescu 142 requests/sec sounds pretty good anyway.
10:01 BingoBoingo Ah, cool
10:03 shinohai https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/595601619581964289 <<< the smacktardedness spreads
10:03 mircea_popescu check it out, lazar revived.
10:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67550 @ 0.00031817 = 21.4924 BTC [-] {2}
10:15 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149602 << and kept what? the hardcoded ip seeds, of which 2 or 3 are alive? the hardcoded dns seeds, controlled by the enemy? srsly
10:15 assbot Logged on 01-06-2015 13:55:14; shinohai: mod6 when you return, wanted to let you know I built without the irc peer discovery and it works nice.
10:15 asciilifeform the irc mechanism is perhaps the only built-in seed thing worth keeping
10:16 shinohai No one has given me any "trusted" nodes yet.
10:16 asciilifeform shinohai: irc gives next best thing: 100% pre-gavinization nodes
10:16 shinohai how does that work?
10:16 asciilifeform shinohai: irc seeding was snipped from the gavin branch long ago
10:17 shinohai I know it was removed, but when I last spoke to mod6 I think he told me to just connect normally for now
10:17 asciilifeform what is 'normally' ?
10:18 shinohai To whatever peers it connects to instead of specifying ip's
10:19 shinohai But yes, I see the point. Perhaps irc is the best way to find non-gavinized nodes.
10:20 asciilifeform currently best.
10:21 asciilifeform stands to reason that once enemy engages he'll begin to spam the remaining irc seed chans - or even backport mechanism to his branch
10:21 asciilifeform but at present time this has not happened.
10:21 shinohai So is it possible to change the *network* it connects to, to one under your control ?
10:22 shinohai Or is that a moot point
10:23 asciilifeform shinohai: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/irc.cpp#0270
10:24 asciilifeform go, change.
10:24 asciilifeform !up shinohai
10:25 shinohai I have that same line already ?
10:25 asciilifeform well yes
10:25 asciilifeform but question was 'how to change network it connects to', no ?
10:26 shinohai Twas a theoretical question, supposing the original network is spammed/compromised.
10:28 * shinohai reverts changes
10:36 jurov deedbot- http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150601/attachment_9bdc72d1f44647c3690340d290b4d0eeeae8b794.txt http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150531/attachment_fbcbdbbbf27cc9ec17055e2635cb71abc6c6c05a.txt
10:38 deedbot- Bad URL or network outage.
10:38 jurov deedbot- http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150531/attachment_fbcbdbbbf27cc9ec17055e2635cb71abc6c6c05a.txt
10:39 deedbot- accepted: 1
10:39 jurov deedbot- http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150601/attachment_9bdc72d1f44647c3690340d290b4d0eeeae8b794.txt
10:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54624 @ 0.00031571 = 17.2453 BTC [-] {3}
10:40 deedbot- accepted: 1
10:40 jurov williamdunne: it can perhaps accept multiple urls
10:40 jurov mod6, good job with the report!
10:42 jurov http://deedbot.org/deed-2015-04-01-21-13-14.txt wow what????
10:43 jurov "This is to certify that any person with a WoT account in assbot's L2 list that can show proof their property was confiscated through the direct or indirect workings of the soi-dissant "Executive Order" issued April 1st, 2015 by the criminal group illegally misidentifying itself as "government of the United States" will receive a 1 (one) Bitcoin compensation on the spot
10:43 jurov and as progressing confiscation and dispossession of real estates, chattels and intangibles currently held without right by the aforementioned criminal group allows, further compensation to satisfy at least five times the value of property lost at the time the loss occurred.
10:43 jurov "
10:43 * mircea_popescu waves
10:43 shinohai O.o
10:45 davout !up Relos
10:46 Relos thanks
10:46 jurov !up referredbyloper
10:46 Relos how do you guys propose to increase the node count?
10:46 davout Relos: you have some log reading to do obviously
10:46 jurov Relos are you aware of pogoplug development?
10:46 davout !s pogo
10:46 assbot 491 results for 'pogo' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pogo
10:47 davout Relos: come back when you've investigated that
10:47 davout bye!
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10:47 davout !down Relos
10:47 mircea_popescu !up Landgull
10:48 Landgull Thanks. So is someone seriously trying to DDOS a philosophy blog?
10:48 Landgull Isn't that, essentially, an admission that you're right?
10:48 jurov davout hasn't waken up well?
10:48 williamdunne jurov: I don't own Deedbot
10:49 jurov williamdunne: sorry, mixed it up
10:49 williamdunne Thats fine:)
10:49 davout jurov: no no, it's just some guy that was asking questions about "what's mpex proposing regarding block size", told him to come ask, now he has some elements of answer
10:49 jurov Landgull don't feed mircea's ego, it's big enough already :DD
10:49 mod6 thx jurov :]
10:50 shinohai 140k blocks to go ....
10:50 Landgull Hey, I didn't say he was right - just that someone with a botnet thinks he's right.
10:50 jurov lolk
10:50 Landgull Also: Remarkably apropos that such an executive order would be on April 1st...
10:51 referredbyloper Thinking about this block size discussion in light of this text "The cancer of bureaucracy: How it will destroy science, medicine, education; and eventually everything else" http://gen.lib.rus.ec/scimag/index.php?s=The%20cancer%20of%20bureaucracy:%20how%20it%20will%20destroy%20science,%20medicine,%20education;%20and%20eventually%20everything%20else
10:52 jurov "Could not connect to the database: User 'scimag_read' has exceeded the 'max_user_connections' resource (current value: 40)"
10:53 mod6 <+shinohai> To whatever peers it connects to instead of specifying ip's << hi! glad you're having some success,.. I thought we added ascii's dns snip patch? Or did I mis-remember that? you did have to use "addnode=" in your bitcoin.conf right?
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10:55 referredbyloper mirrir link to pdf http://lib.gen.in/ocean/a16368dc50de93109e329b253cc51f44/10.1016%40j.mehy.2009.11.038.pdf or http://gen.lib.rus.ec/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1016%2Fj.mehy.2009.11.038
10:57 mircea_popescu Landgull the internet consists among other things of millions of unparented children.
10:57 mircea_popescu they still need parenting, even if nobody can be arsed to provide for them. so they beg as best they can.
10:57 mod6 !up shinohai
10:57 mod6 eh, i must be stale again
10:57 Landgull Well sure, but kids don't waste their time on things they don't care about. You don't see them pulling pigtails because they think a girl is ugly.
10:58 mircea_popescu i would guess it'd depend just how desperate they are.
10:58 Landgull Eh, anyone who has tried to censor tends to find themselves outlived by the works they're trying to censor, if history is any guide.
10:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 168 @ 0.006 = 1.008 BTC [-]
10:59 mircea_popescu this is more like the equivalent of dog sniffing.
10:59 mircea_popescu it figures it owes it to itself to come sniff you because hey, IT EXISTS!!1
11:00 mircea_popescu did you think it didn't exist ? don't you DARE THINK IT DOESNT EXIST OMYGAWD!!1
11:00 mircea_popescu etc.
11:00 Landgull Ahh.
11:02 Landgull At any rate, I've been reading the logs for a bit and I like the kind of discussion that seems to happen in here, so I thought I'd say hi.
11:03 mircea_popescu cool.
11:06 shinohai This is about the only place that isn't an echo chamber anymore sadly.
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11:08 Landgull Mmm, echo chambers only matter to politicians pandering to votes, though. Or 50%+1 attacks via democracy, I suppose.
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11:19 BingoBoingo !up Landgull
11:21 Landgull Thanks.
11:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00033088 = 6.1875 BTC [+]
11:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48750 @ 0.00033145 = 16.1582 BTC [+] {2}
11:25 jurov !t m s.mpoe
11:25 assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00030494 / 0.00032685 / 0.00034289 (2527042 shares, 825.98 BTC), 7D: 0.00027782 / 0.0003109 / 0.00035229 (23430932 shares, 7,284.73 BTC), 30D: 0.00019511 / 0.00026678 / 0.00035229 (133425037 shares, 35,596.45 BTC)
11:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 193141 @ 0.0003399 = 65.6486 BTC [+] {4}
11:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17459 @ 0.00034373 = 6.0012 BTC [+]
11:40 Landgull So why is it that all of the sudden I'm hearing about people wanting to put everything and their cat in the blockchain? Is it actually a good idea, or is it just a way to attack/overwhelm the network?
11:54 mircea_popescu this isn't new.
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12:15 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: drowning
12:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42403 @ 0.00032996 = 13.9913 BTC [-] {2}
12:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6297 @ 0.0003243 = 2.0421 BTC [-]
12:27 trinque Landgull: dunno about everything and their cat, but putting cryptographic hashes in the blockchain is a marvelous idea
12:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7819 @ 0.00033413 = 2.6126 BTC [+]
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13:07 thestringpuller the redditards are clusterfucking into a pitchfork mob now?!?
13:13 BingoBoingo nah, they are pitchfuckingforks into a clustermob.
13:15 williamdunne They're square-jerking circular-pitchforks in the middle of a Block Chain authenticated cluster-chain
13:18 danielpbarron !up shinohai
13:19 shinohai o/ danielpbarron
13:19 danielpbarron hi who are you?
13:20 shinohai Just a random user that has chosen his side on this silly BS increase war.
13:20 thestringpuller not a war yet
13:20 thestringpuller but axetime soon
13:20 shinohai I like to be prepared for all contingencies.
13:20 thestringpuller well only new fork coins will take losses.
13:21 thestringpuller cause old coin can be cloned to the fork
13:22 shinohai I "almost" have a node up.
13:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79500 @ 0.00031865 = 25.3327 BTC [-] {4}
13:25 BingoBoingo !up hulkhogan_
13:25 BingoBoingo !up joesmoe
13:27 shinohai qntra.net is back up for me \o/
13:38 danielpbarron !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.shinohai.1:90bf716226dda3c5a21ef3c856b0cbdefbf7e153a88a194e3cfcce9da785f377
13:38 assbot Successfully added a rating of 1 for shinohai with note: fresh meat bitcoind hacker
13:41 shinohai xD
13:41 shinohai thanks
13:42 williamdunne You're now in L2 of Assbot and can !up yourself
13:43 danielpbarron !up ascii_field
13:43 danielpbarron !up bitcoinfailed
13:44 jurov shinohai: don't forget other goodies like put deeds, send email to btc-dev mailing list (once it syncs with assbot)
13:45 bitcoinfailed is anyone even trading on the mpex exchange?
13:45 bitcoinfailed or is it still just bots and mircea
13:45 bitcoinfailed why did mpex stop listing calls/puts?
13:45 danielpbarron i think there's a blog post about that
13:46 danielpbarron why don't you go and read the log
13:46 bitcoinfailed from pornographer popescu
13:46 bitcoinfailed why dont you fuck off and tell me instead.
13:46 bitcoinfailed that what the chat for
13:46 danielpbarron !down bitcoinfailed
13:46 ben_vulpes !up bitcoinfailed
13:46 danielpbarron lol
13:46 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149686 << afaik it was never merged
13:46 assbot Logged on 01-06-2015 14:53:54; mod6: <+shinohai> To whatever peers it connects to instead of specifying ip's << hi! glad you're having some success,.. I thought we added ascii's dns snip patch? Or did I mis-remember that? you did have to use "addnode=" in your bitcoin.conf right?
13:46 ben_vulpes tiberius, is that you?
13:46 shinohai np jurov, I signed up for mailing list last week
13:47 mod6 <+ascii_field> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149686 << afaik it was never merged << it wasn't. but I had him apply it while helping him get setup.
13:47 assbot Logged on 01-06-2015 14:53:54; mod6: <+shinohai> To whatever peers it connects to instead of specifying ip's << hi! glad you're having some success,.. I thought we added ascii's dns snip patch? Or did I mis-remember that? you did have to use "addnode=" in your bitcoin.conf right?
13:49 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes heh just you wait till kid actually showis up.
13:49 mircea_popescu cazalla has the scoop on that
13:49 mod6 He was running deb8 on one box, and then stock v0.5.3.1-RELEASE worked fine. but on a seperate instance of deb8, he reported the boost type issues, so I had him follow these instructions: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000082.html
13:50 mod6 Then it was working well as far as I know.
13:50 ascii_field mod6: i was simply pointing out that it is not, afaik, part of the official therealbitcoin tree as of yet.
13:51 mircea_popescu jeez check out the butthurt with the redditard crowd.
13:51 mircea_popescu nobody's fault you don't matter, peeps. talk to urmoms.
13:52 ascii_field wai wat
13:52 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: what are you reading?
13:52 jurov whole r/bitcoin is like let's move to bitcoin-xt
13:52 mircea_popescu teh log
13:53 thestringpuller yea. everyone is lining up to suck Gavin's dick more eagerly.
13:53 thestringpuller denial before acceptance tho mr. popescu
13:53 ascii_field let'em move to gavincoin, dogecoin, feathercoin
13:53 ascii_field why is this of concern to us ?
13:53 thestringpuller ascii_field: it's entertaining.
13:54 mircea_popescu i think ipmi is the most retarded thing ever invented
13:54 mod6 <+ascii_field> mod6: i was simply pointing out that it is not, afaik, part of the official therealbitcoin tree as of yet. << ahh corret.
13:54 * williamdunne checks, and sees exactly 15 bitcoin-xt nodes
13:54 mircea_popescu "let's make web interface for luser home routers a thing for servers"
13:54 mod6 *correct
13:54 * williamdunne lel
13:55 * williamdunne points at cpanel, sorry Mr.Popescu, your billion dollar idea has already been done! Its magical!
13:55 ascii_field mircea_popescu: it's a mandatory usg rapehole; the remote admin thing is just a way to squeeze a bit of marketing juice out of it, since it is already there
13:55 mircea_popescu mandatory how
13:56 ascii_field try buy intel box with ecc support (read: xeon) without it.
13:56 mircea_popescu what's wrong with colocate box with the thing smashed.
13:56 ascii_field mircea_popescu: recent 'xeons' won't init unless thing is on the bus and functioning
13:57 ascii_field this was discussed here in the past
13:57 mircea_popescu apparently i've not been paying attention.
13:57 mircea_popescu anywya
13:57 williamdunne Couldn't this be partially solved with a rather stringent firewall policy (off-machine ofc)
13:58 mircea_popescu obviously machine won't listen to you.
13:58 mircea_popescu what's off machine, another machine ?
13:58 williamdunne mYeah, but one not running the same shit
13:58 ascii_field not to mention the fact that it hijacks your nics
13:59 ascii_field and that it is far from certain what precisely the magic packet looks like
13:59 mircea_popescu if you have one not running thre same shit just run that then
13:59 jurov williamdunne: it could accept perfectly ordinary tcp packet
13:59 williamdunne Hardware firewall doesn't run web servers too well..
14:00 ascii_field jurov: sure. i was trying to point out that the answer 'well firewall it off' is not a pill against this kind of thing
14:00 williamdunne So when are we buying those Russian servers?
14:01 mircea_popescu heh
14:01 trinque the steam computer?
14:01 mircea_popescu lol williamdunne owns #bitcoin-xt ?
14:03 ascii_field williamdunne: afaik they are not sold to public.
14:04 ascii_field but to 'k00l k1dz' only
14:04 mircea_popescu i didn't find a supplier.
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14:04 williamdunne I do indeed
14:04 ascii_field afaik nobody's found a supplier.
14:04 williamdunne Hence "For discussion of the bitcoin-xt potentialt"
14:04 williamdunne Cheeky joke in the end there
14:05 ascii_field when do we get 'bitcoin-at' ?
14:05 williamdunne After bitcoin-bh
14:07 jurov no, bitcoin-jr
14:07 jurov :DDD
14:08 mircea_popescu lol
14:08 ascii_field bitcoin-64
14:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50667 @ 0.00031932 = 16.179 BTC [+] {2}
14:19 thestringpuller !up ascii_field
14:28 mircea_popescu !h
14:28 assbot http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
14:36 williamdunne Its really amazing what we can do with proper scientific procedures..
14:36 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
14:36 williamdunne http://www.financialexpress.com/article/industry/and-the-stinkiest-people-in-europe-are-french/78441/
14:37 williamdunne "And the ‘stinkiest’ people in Europe are French
14:37 williamdunne A new study has officially proved that French are smelly and Dutch, Germans and Scandinavians are the cleanest ones."
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14:38 jurov lol they prolly didn't do the study in central/eastern eu
14:39 williamdunne Facebook has added PGP support..
14:39 williamdunne http://thehackernews.com/2015/06/facebook-pgp-keys.html
14:40 jurov "All the emails you receive from Facebook will be protected with encryption, ensuring that no one — even NSA or any other spy agency — can read the content of the messages without the access to your private key." rofl
14:40 trinque ...what
14:40 mircea_popescu o.O
14:40 mats http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/how-a-reviled-african-ruler-survived-a-coup-hatched-in-the-united-states/2015/05/31/a9fc1772-0485-11e5-8bda-c7b4e9a8f7ac_story.html
14:41 trinque so facebook is a keyserver now
14:41 jurov http://vaide.ro/craiova-izoleaza-termic-gardul-cimitirului/ << related
14:42 mats USG discovers american citizens involved in foreign, would-be coup, decides to sell them out to local security rather than dealing with it themselves
14:43 ascii_field mats: i distinctly recall hearing of this before
14:44 ascii_field in one of the old 'failed micronations' threads
14:44 williamdunne Lol, confirmed
14:44 williamdunne http://imgur.com/a/cRzeN
14:45 williamdunne Yeah, its a keyserver now..
14:45 ascii_field usg reserves some of its fastest and least-bureaucratized immune reactions for mutinies which might attract u.s. 'men of action'
14:45 williamdunne But yeah, like thats going to combat the NSA
14:45 williamdunne Keyserver thing could be ...kinda useful I guess?
14:48 * williamdunne has just been flagged to NSA by facebook as someone who uses PGP
14:49 mircea_popescu jurov wait what's that ?
14:50 trinque williamdunne: holy lol @ the idea that them encrypting email to me does *anything*
14:50 jurov mircea_popescu: it's same lulzy "protection" as the facebook gpg stuff
14:50 mircea_popescu ah lol
14:50 trinque what they don't have a database now?
14:52 williamdunne trinque: IKR? Pretending that the NSA isn't already embedded 12 inches in their rectum
14:52 trinque bullshit factory produces bullshit, more at 11
14:54 trinque and then google chrome ships a diddled gpg plugin
14:55 * trinque revels in this new watershed of freedom post-lapse of the patriot act
14:55 williamdunne Which'll require that you import your key..
14:55 trinque of course the browser will need the private key
14:55 trinque for reasons
14:56 williamdunne huehuehue
14:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00031397 = 2.449 BTC [-] {2}
14:56 williamdunne http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140527021842/oliver-jameson-enterprises/images/f/f4/Stereotype-jew.gif
14:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34889 @ 0.00031356 = 10.9398 BTC [-] {2}
14:57 trinque d-did the jews do facebook?
14:57 williamdunne Zucker*burg*
14:57 trinque meine got!
14:57 trinque *mein gott
14:57 trinque well now it all makes sense
14:57 williamdunne USG already pays good money to dell and the likes for information on who buys what from them, and what bitcoin addresses are involved in the transaction
14:58 williamdunne So wouldn't be surprised if they just outright buy facebook's data
14:58 trinque why wouldn't they? isn't that what facebook's business is?
14:58 trinque gather sheep, whore them out?
14:58 williamdunne I thought that was the Kiwis?
14:59 trinque ehehehehe
15:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00032477 = 9.2235 BTC [+]
15:09 williamdunne ECUREX bragging about being FATCA compliant, top kek
15:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16004 @ 0.00031339 = 5.0155 BTC [-] {2}
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15:33 jurov mircea_popescu: i see eulora moving, can we talk about release engineering reward?
15:33 mircea_popescu about who ?
15:34 jurov me
15:34 mircea_popescu what is release engineering reward ?
15:35 williamdunne Compiling binaries?
15:35 jurov putting together somehow mostly-reliably working binaries
15:36 mircea_popescu oh oh
15:36 mircea_popescu yeah, shoot.
15:36 williamdunne Someone is trying to crowdfund £150,000 to open an airport
15:36 scoopbot_revived MiniGame (S.MG), April - May 2015 Combined Statement http://trilema.com/2015/minigame-smg-april-may-2015-combined-statement/
15:36 jurov 0.5BTC or 5000 shares per version per platform (linux, osx, windows)
15:36 williamdunne I shit you not
15:36 williamdunne Imma invite them on here
15:37 mircea_popescu !t m s.mg
15:37 assbot [MPEX:S.MG] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.00009 / 0.00009 / 0.00009 (103015 shares, 9.27 BTC)
15:37 mircea_popescu easier to give you btc i think. which windowses can you do ?
15:38 jurov vista+
15:38 mircea_popescu which windowses are even around anymore ? brb looking.
15:38 jurov i don't think win compatibility is major problem
15:39 jurov (xp's are really old, tho)
15:39 williamdunne Win compatibility is actually really good tbh
15:39 mircea_popescu Windows 7  58.39%
15:39 mircea_popescu Windows XP  15.93%
15:39 mircea_popescu Windows 8.1  11.16%
15:39 mircea_popescu can you do these 3 ?
15:39 chetty >>> doubts it will run on xp at all
15:39 mircea_popescu or just 7/8 ?
15:39 mircea_popescu !up flyplymouth
15:39 williamdunne Hello flyplymouth
15:39 mircea_popescu flyplymouth you the dude with the 150k airport ?
15:39 jurov will ask my dude what would entail xp compatibility
15:39 flyplymouth well I am one of them
15:40 mircea_popescu you know, tracking radar is about 100x that
15:40 mircea_popescu chetty why ?
15:40 williamdunne http://www.flyplymouth.com/ How about an MPEX listing mircea?
15:41 flyplymouth Recomissioning is circa £30m
15:41 mircea_popescu jurov what about osx ?
15:41 williamdunne mircea_popescu: Biggest thing in their favour is that it was an airport that was closed, doesn't need 100% rebuilding
15:41 chetty graphics drivers
15:41 mircea_popescu chetty nvidia tho.
15:41 flyplymouth Put it into context £7bn for rail-link
15:41 mircea_popescu exactly.
15:41 williamdunne flyplymouth: So raise £150,000, then what?
15:41 williamdunne Also, who is involved and how the hell are they qualified to run an airport?
15:42 williamdunne Seems unlikely that someone who wants to run a social-enterprise is qualified to do anything more than make coffee
15:42 jurov mircea_popescu: looks like it can be snow leoprd and newer
15:42 flyplymouth there has already been pledges of funds £20m to date but this cannot e accessed without the business plan being stress tested. We have done this already but has to be stress tested to Heathrow / Gatwick standards to access serious money (e.g Government etc)
15:42 mircea_popescu jurov which one is that, 7.x ?
15:42 mircea_popescu flyplymouth hoiw is a business planb stress testedf ?
15:42 flyplymouth Ha ha. Social Enterprises take a lot of rap.
15:42 jurov 10.6
15:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 9900 @ 0.00111 = 10.989 BTC
15:43 jurov 7.x is powerpc era :) that would be like another platform completely
15:43 flyplymouth Stress test the business model to see if passenger numbers stack up and ticket prices.
15:43 mircea_popescu jurov ok, so then osx 10.10, win 7 and win 8.1 to start ?
15:43 jurov ok
15:44 mircea_popescu addy ?
15:44 jurov and 64bit linux, no?
15:44 williamdunne flyplymouth: In comparison to Exeter how big was Plymouth? Exeter is kinda shit. I prefer just to go to London something
15:44 mircea_popescu jurov these first.
15:44 jurov ok
15:44 mircea_popescu 64/32 bit linux later for the noobs, but give sane people a chance to make their stuff first.
15:45 jurov 1AByKSJ5JUPDhq19xYehNixB1RoM75UX93
15:45 flyplymouth The business model is completey different from Exeter. To be fair Exeter do quite a good job for its size. We'll be smaller planes as a 'connecting airport' so you won't initially get many holiday destinations but it would connect into key cities and hubs.
15:46 williamdunne flyplymouth: Key cities in.... UK or abroad? Tourism isn't much of a concern
15:46 flyplymouth Also we will have some Fixed Based Operators onsite which absorb alot of the running costs.
15:47 williamdunne flyplymouth: And I know business model is different, I meant more along the lines of bandwidth, plane size etc
15:47 mircea_popescu i still don't understand what stress testing a business plan involves.
15:47 williamdunne Super complex simulations
15:47 williamdunne You wouldn't understand MP
15:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 437 @ 0.00239989 = 1.0488 BTC [-]
15:47 mircea_popescu apparently not.
15:47 mircea_popescu !up ascii_has_newz
15:47 flyplymouth Business Model so far works on Manchester, London, Glasgow, Dublin (connect to us), Amsterdam. We have submitted 10 destinations for passenger numbers which come back viable.
15:47 cazalla deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0PYPXAV.txt
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15:48 deedbot- accepted: 1
15:48 mircea_popescu flyplymouth isn't that primarily an airline concern ?
15:48 ascii_has_newz http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1F31C79912C1899F639860FCC37F4789264841127A6F8AED81C73A222D9080A2 << google employee, magic-keyed
15:49 trinque oh shit
15:49 mircea_popescu o.O
15:49 flyplymouth Where Plymouth got into trouble in the past was it was reliant on BA flights. We'll set up the flights directly
15:49 mircea_popescu ...
15:49 ascii_has_newz can't recall if he was one of the magic 98 or not
15:49 williamdunne https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CduA0TULnow
15:50 ascii_has_newz possibly manually submitted iey
15:50 ascii_has_newz key
15:50 williamdunne flyplymouth: Not sure how that works, so I won't comment. Anyhow. How do you stress test a business plan?
15:50 mircea_popescu ascii_has_newz yeah he was
15:50 mircea_popescu #19-21
15:50 ascii_has_newz aha ok
15:50 * williamdunne thinks bringing a business plan here is the best stress test available
15:50 mircea_popescu flyplymouth so wait you're going to be like, an airline with an airport ?
15:50 williamdunne More like an airport with a pet airline I think
15:50 williamdunne Or maybe flogs flight paths off to airlines?
15:51 flyplymouth In aviation terms, they will review passenger journeys to see how many people travelled from Plymouth to the destinations, they will look at plane types and prices paid and give you a report back on whether your calculations make sense.
15:51 mircea_popescu !up Landgull
15:51 mircea_popescu !rate Landgull 1 new bloods
15:51 assbot Landgull is not registered in WoT.
15:51 mircea_popescu Landgull get in the wot already
15:51 Landgull I'm registered with gribble.
15:51 Landgull Do I need to re-register with assbot?
15:52 williamdunne No, you need to register with ass also
15:52 * mats fires up the gas grill
15:52 Landgull Aha.
15:52 williamdunne flyplymouth: So, why do you need funding to do this?
15:52 jurov Landgull if you regged with btc addy, assbot did not pick you
15:52 Landgull I registered with GPG key.
15:53 williamdunne flyplymouth: (The stress testing)
15:53 mircea_popescu Landgull when ?
15:53 flyplymouth Before you can attract airlines you need to demonstrate passenger demand. There are models used around the UK which almost charter planes to use as an airline. If you have demand / good seat occupancy it works well. This happens in a lot of airports around the UK but planes are badged with other airlines.
15:53 Landgull About two weeks ago.
15:53 mircea_popescu !h
15:53 assbot http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
15:53 mircea_popescu Landgull ^ see there.
15:53 mircea_popescu flyplymouth how much does one of these checks cost ?
15:54 williamdunne flyplymouth: And do you not think you could attract some actual investment if this wasn't a social enterprise?
15:54 flyplymouth If you are using your own money to reopen the airport, you can just go ahead and open it. But to access money which is not repayable, whether it from Government or otherwise, they have to see that it stacks up over the long term and importantly that it has a wider benefit to the local / regional economy
15:55 flyplymouth The social enterprise model doesn't prohibit us from attracting private investment.
15:55 williamdunne flyplymouth: You didn't answer the question at all
15:55 Landgull So you're relying on government money?
15:55 williamdunne flyplymouth: You said you don't want to make money for shareholders
15:55 williamdunne flyplymouth: That prohibits you
15:55 williamdunne Well..
15:56 trinque he's talking about some govt funding program for public benefit
15:56 flyplymouth not at all social enterprises can now attract investors
15:56 trinque does "social enterprise" have a UK legal definition?
15:56 Landgull Or rather, my question would be: How much of the actual investment/operating capital needs to come from private sources, after you've satisfied the nonsense of central planner stress testing.
15:56 mircea_popescu flyplymouth so let me see if i understand. you're trying to get a small sum together to pay for various studies that then you can turn around and give the british government which will spend a lot of its own money to do the thing you came up with ?
15:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 950 @ 0.00111 = 1.0545 BTC {2}
15:57 williamdunne trinque: There are a couple of legal structures for it, like a community corporation or something of similar name
15:57 williamdunne trinque: https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/office-of-the-regulator-of-community-interest-companies
15:58 williamdunne Summin like that
15:58 trinque ah
15:58 mircea_popescu but these are basically charities.
15:58 mircea_popescu only with more pompous verbiage.
15:58 flyplymouth As you will have seen in news of late, Transport Secretary and others have said it can reopen, the question is who opens it. We want to safeguard the airport for the long term.
15:58 chetty why would someone invest in something not intended to make money?
15:59 williamdunne flyplymouth: Its not about if you're legally allowed to do it, its more I'm a billionaire, why the fuck do I give you money for a social program? While it can work with a small homeless shelter, you're talking about an airport. Not like there is one landlord who owns half of Plymouth and the surrounding area who wants to increase property values.
15:59 flyplymouth It will make money, social enterprise and charity are compltely different. Social Enterpise makes profit for purpose, where as Charity is not for profit
15:59 chetty oi
16:00 flyplymouth In terms of social enterprise, most of our transport infrstructure is based on social enterprise model
16:00 williamdunne flyplymouth: Most of our transport infrastructure is government owned
16:01 williamdunne flyplymouth: Anyhow, Social Enterprise makes profit but pays no dividends
16:01 williamdunne flyplymouth: Which is what investors want
16:01 flyplymouth If you are a billionaire, then there are options for private investment.
16:01 williamdunne Have you spoken to Plymouth's sole billionaire?
16:01 flyplymouth it also depends on how they choose to invest equity/ fixed return etc.
16:02 Landgull Plymouth, what people are asking you is why a billionare would rather put his money with you than either 1) putting it in some blue-chip stock, or 2) directly giving it to a charity that they care about.
16:03 williamdunne flyplymouth: I doubt Chris Dawson is too bothered about having to go to London to catch a flight
16:03 Landgull You need to have a better risk-adjusted return than 1, or a better cause than 2.
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16:04 williamdunne Chris Dawson is a man after my own heart..
16:04 williamdunne v
16:04 williamdunne http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Plymouth-billionaire-Chris-Dawson-lambasted/story-26199605-detail/story.html
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16:05 williamdunne "Mr Dawson said it was a Budget for everyone, that the prices of food and fuel had come down, and that thanks to the Budget he yesterday signed off a deal with a European country to build factories.
16:05 williamdunne But speaking about NHS staff unhappy at their low wages, Mr Dawson suggested they could retrain and work in another industry."
16:05 Landgull Thanks!
16:05 mircea_popescu williamdunne yeah, that's happening
16:05 flyplymouth why would a billionaire invest in an airport? If they want to develop and grow Plymouth whilst also generating a good return. Recent studies from aviation industry have said that Plymouth Airport could add 240 jobs to local economy and £20m a year to wider economy. It also helps having one of the largest naval bases in Europe in Plymouth, which attracts manufacturers and business to visit the area
16:06 mircea_popescu jurov sent.
16:06 williamdunne flyplymouth: How would they generate returns? This is what we're asking. You can't pay dividends so..?
16:07 flyplymouth divdends are not the only way to generate a return. Bonds / Investment Agreements.
16:07 williamdunne flyplymouth: Okay, so loans
16:07 flyplymouth Bonds and loans are not techically the same thing.
16:07 Landgull Ok, what kind of rate could you sustain on your bond, and what exactly are your creditors entitled to seize?
16:08 williamdunne flyplymouth: Promise of interest in return for money today, I'm not too bothered by technicalities
16:08 williamdunne flyplymouth: Everyone on this channel understands what bonds are, dw about that
16:08 williamdunne (hence the -assets)
16:09 williamdunne !up flyplymouth
16:09 danielpbarron in other news https://twitter.com/BitcoinBelle/status/605409957094268929
16:10 jurov mircea_popescu: got it
16:10 williamdunne flyplymouth: So once you've "stress tested" this business plan, rather than going for government money, why don't you become the first CIC to issue publicly traded bonds?
16:10 williamdunne flyplymouth: Certainly talking about enough money to justify it..
16:11 flyplymouth if you want to chat more about investment, you best contacting us direct
16:11 williamdunne danielpbarron: Shhh, don't tell her we've seen it!
16:11 williamdunne flyplymouth: Why? Anything I want to talk to you about I will talk to you about here
16:12 Landgull Dude, if you don't have a good answer, you're a lot better off just admitting it and asking for advice. Not just with finance, but in life as a whole.
16:12 williamdunne flyplymouth: A bond is something that people with actual money can get behind
16:15 williamdunne flyplymouth: Here ya go, an ebook even comes with it! http://www.ca-cib.com/our-offers/global-debt-markets-and-debt-capital-markets.htm
16:16 williamdunne Lol, their testimonial is one of their employees saying how he is properly worked
16:16 williamdunne I like it
16:16 flyplymouth If you want talk serious finance then you need to talk to FD.
16:16 williamdunne flyplymouth: FD? FlyDover?
16:16 flyplymouth ha ha
16:16 williamdunne flyplymouth: Can you just get him on here?
16:16 * trinque pats deedbot- on the hood
16:16 trinque little guy seems to be doing alright
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16:17 trinque I haven't had to hit it with a wrench in a bit
16:17 flyplymouth nope
16:17 williamdunne flyplymouth: Whats his number, I'll try and get him on here.
16:17 flyplymouth if you want to talk serious then I can set it up
16:18 williamdunne flyplymouth: Of course I want to talk serious
16:18 williamdunne Worth noting, I have no idea who any of you are. Missing from your website.
16:19 flyplymouth media@flyplymouth.com drop me a line and I'll connect you.
16:20 williamdunne Well that was sudden
16:20 Landgull I don't think he liked the results of the stress test.
16:21 williamdunne No, nor the advice "Social Enterprise is stupid" is the only thing I think he heard
16:21 williamdunne The idea I think is actually ok, Plymouth does need to be better connected, but they're definitely derping around with it
16:22 williamdunne And they don't have to rebuild everything..
16:22 Landgull They need to stop talking about what they need and start talking about what they will do for their investors.
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16:22 williamdunne Aye
16:22 williamdunne Landgull you can up yourself now
16:24 ben_vulpes what they will do for their investors?
16:24 ben_vulpes i know i know
16:24 ben_vulpes buy some ad space
16:24 ben_vulpes rent an office
16:24 ben_vulpes make everyone feel really cool for investing
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16:24 ben_vulpes and then disappear
16:24 ben_vulpes DAFUQ AIRPLAINES?
16:24 Landgull Oooh, fancy. Thanks guys.
16:24 trinque ....aaand it's gone!
16:24 williamdunne ben_vulpes: Not just airplanes, a whole airport
16:24 ben_vulpes i read the thread.
16:25 Landgull I think they should take the 150k, buy a cessna, and ferry people around as a social enterprise.
16:25 ben_vulpes but let's start with the "how is anyone involved qualified to derp near expensive-ass capital equipment"
16:25 ben_vulpes > 150k
16:25 ben_vulpes > airport
16:25 ben_vulpes > 150k
16:25 ben_vulpes > airplane
16:25 ben_vulpes what am i missing here
16:25 Landgull Well, they wanted 150k for a stress test.
16:25 Landgull A "stress test".
16:25 ben_vulpes what the fuck is a stress test
16:25 ben_vulpes novel scamhold is what i hear.
16:26 williamdunne Something something statistics something something customers something something viability
16:26 williamdunne https://www.google.com/maps/place/Plymouth+City+Airport/@50.4211911,-4.1094124,1077m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x486ced727fc3be65:0xdbc605f04af77367!6m1!1e1
16:27 Landgull My guess is, you pay a bureaucrat to tell you that your made up numbers look like his made up numbers.
16:27 williamdunne For reference, this is what they're talking about
16:27 ben_vulpes that's what it meant in the context of the us banking retardation
16:27 ben_vulpes and what world is this where scammers take cash to build out a model and then verify it with bureaucrats?
16:27 ben_vulpes this is bitcoin
16:27 ben_vulpes we lower bureaucrats into pederasty.
16:27 williamdunne They're not raising bitcoin
16:27 williamdunne They're raising fiat
16:27 williamdunne I invited them here
16:28 williamdunne Thought they were derpy so wanted to discuss it on a public forum
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16:28 ben_vulpes !up pete_dushenski
16:28 pete_dushenski thx ben_vulpes :)
16:28 ben_vulpes mhhhhm
16:28 williamdunne http://www.flyplymouth.com/
16:29 williamdunne http://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/flyplymouthairport-reopening-project
16:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78609 @ 0.00031319 = 24.6196 BTC [-]
16:30 williamdunne Maybe they can do more crowdfunding with the latest Havelock IPO?
16:30 ben_vulpes FLYPLYMOUTH has developed a plan to reopen Plymouth airport, reintroducing aviation services and air passenger services that is stepped and incrementally profitable at each stage. We believe that this objective is deliverable in two to three years and that by working together with the City around a demonstrably credible plan supported by independent feasibility analysis Plymouth will be able to benefit from new job creation and better
16:30 ben_vulpes connectivity.
16:30 ben_vulpes mk well they're even tapping into the local welfare spigot
16:30 ben_vulpes i am exhausted of fucks
16:30 pete_dushenski looks like nonsense on a stick
16:30 williamdunne If it was 5 miles to the left of its current position they could massively tap into European welfare spigots, which is even more hilarious
16:31 mircea_popescu fuckshausted ?
16:32 williamdunne Take it back, about 7 miles to the West for Euro welfare
16:34 thestringpuller i really wish it was practical to just kill the redditards
16:36 diana_coman hello, could I please have an eulora account?
16:37 mats http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/05/30/no-women-pass-army-ranger-school-three-invited-to-start-over.html
16:39 jurov diana_coman: you managed to compile the new ver already?
16:39 diana_coman jurov not yet, as I just saw the post on trilema, but I will get onto it as soon as possible and I have some experience...
16:39 mats ranger school: churning out a cripple for every leader
16:40 pete_dushenski mats it's a balance.
16:44 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149704 << this place has it's fair share of consensus too. just imagine the insane levels of groupthink on teh outside !
16:44 assbot Logged on 01-06-2015 15:08:46; Landgull: Mmm, echo chambers only matter to politicians pandering to votes, though. Or 50%+1 attacks via democracy, I suppose.
16:44 mats i've observed folks in various, interesting pipelines -- BUD/S, JTAC, SFAS, ...
16:44 mats the number of broke dicks getting churned out of ranger school is a leadership failure not a fact of life
16:45 ben_vulpes > broke dicks
16:46 mats the navy doesn't see nearly the same level of folks going to medical discharge boards
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16:46 pete_dushenski mats same goes for us universities.
16:47 pete_dushenski in the leadership failure aspect, not the medical aspect.
16:47 mircea_popescu jurov if you have one precompiuled it takes all of 10 minutes
16:47 mircea_popescu didnb't take me much longer anyway
16:47 mircea_popescu btw in case anyone's missed it - eulora! ask for accts.
16:48 jurov yes but it picked up misc system crud
16:48 davout mircea_popescu: acct pl0x
16:48 mircea_popescu whadda ya wanna be called ?
16:48 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
16:48 davout Godefroy de Montmirail
16:48 mircea_popescu screww that im not gonna keep asking. calling everyone their nick.
16:48 mircea_popescu nah this is the acct name.
16:48 mircea_popescu onesec
16:49 jurov i had to: ./configure --with-cs-prefix=/path/to/cs --without-mysqlclient --without-sqlite3 --without-postgresql --without-hunspell
16:49 mircea_popescu bwahahahagodefroooooy
16:49 mircea_popescu hunspell ?!
16:49 pete_dushenski mats universities as businesses, which is what they've certainly become with their 20th century 'mass adoption' approach to education, couldn't possibly lead their students to be anything other than broke dicks anymore than apple can with the kids who buy their iphonez
16:49 jurov nemtudom, as i said.
16:49 pete_dushenski universities as places of higher learning for the already learned, different story.
16:50 chetty love the char name davout
16:50 pete_dushenski but that's exclusive and not 'fair'
16:50 davout mircea_popescu: just call me ";drop database `eulora`"
16:50 mircea_popescu lol
16:50 pete_dushenski the same approach to flatness leads to failure in the military.
16:50 chetty lmao
16:51 mircea_popescu davout http://dpaste.com/2TCF1Z9
16:52 davout merci
16:52 ascii_field mats: http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/05/25/us-military-and-civilians-are-increasingly-divided.html << another l0l from same www
16:53 ascii_field 'Senior officers live in large houses, travel on their own planes and oversee whole continents with little direction from Washington.'
16:53 pete_dushenski "One reason to support increasing the block size: Luke-Jr is against it." << lulz via redditards.
16:54 pete_dushenski endless milking, these mooz
16:55 mircea_popescu http://adios-hola.org/advisory.txt moar lulz
16:56 davout this blocksize drama will end up spontaneously reinventing dogecoin
16:56 ascii_field mircea_popescu: aha, run moar winblows (TM)
16:56 mircea_popescu mhm
16:56 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149809 << i'm glad to hear someone actually tried. though if mp can't get his hands on them...
16:56 assbot Logged on 01-06-2015 18:04:15; mircea_popescu: i didn't find a supplier.
16:57 mircea_popescu davout it's kinda amusing to see just how butthurt "social media" gets when it turns out nobody cares what they think / nothing they could do makes any difference.
16:58 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski cursory examination.
16:58 ascii_field are we even seeing actual butts or astroturf
16:58 mircea_popescu astrobutts
17:00 mircea_popescu !up pete_dushenski
17:00 mircea_popescu what happened ot you.
17:00 pete_dushenski cheers !
17:00 pete_dushenski i'm in an airport.
17:00 mircea_popescu a a
17:00 pete_dushenski 3/4 of the way home from la suisse
17:01 davout lol, /r/buttcoin has it http://thecoinfront.com/andreas-antonopolous-threatened-with-murder-over-twitter/
17:02 ascii_field 'The exorbitant membership fee, 30 BTC, coupled with the fact that their twitter account hasn’t been touched since last June, suggests that the exchange is defunct, or at least no longer being actively promoted.' << tungsten, it melts in your mouth!
17:02 mircea_popescu lol wut ?
17:02 pete_dushenski heh, it's the one year anniversary of aantop's murder !
17:02 mircea_popescu happy rip.
17:05 mike_c jurov: not to be an ass since you just took the job, but do you have an idea for ballpark on binaries? my ubuntu box has trouble running eulora due to gfx card issues.. just wondering if it's days, weeks, or months.
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17:06 pete_dushenski doubt anyone will bother to show up at aantop's gravestone with oranges and braided bread for provda
17:06 mircea_popescu mike_c i put nvidia drivers in the binary bundle just in case.
17:06 jurov mike_c: best if you compile yourself then
17:06 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149828 << french part of la suisse definitely had more garbage strewn about than german part der schwiez
17:06 assbot Logged on 01-06-2015 18:37:26; williamdunne: A new study has officially proved that French are smelly and Dutch, Germans and Scandinavians are the cleanest ones."
17:06 mircea_popescu at any rate it'd better not be months, o.O
17:06 mike_c i tried to compile windoze version, didn't go so well
17:07 jurov mircea_popescu: that's not nvidia drivers, but some library crystalspace depends upon
17:07 mike_c mircea_popescu: didn't know that, i could try that
17:07 pete_dushenski the frenchies (lausanne in particular) were coming up with all sorts of creative ad campaigns to encourage people to pick up their fucking trash
17:07 pete_dushenski lemme dig up a pic.
17:07 williamdunne Sandhill Exchange fined by the SEC, lol
17:07 mircea_popescu mike_c you seen http://www.eulorum.org/Installing_Eulora yeah ?
17:08 jurov also, my windows/osx dude said he's away till 12th. so the position is in fact open
17:08 williamdunne (The company offering Derps, MPEX style)
17:08 jurov diana_coman will try on windows, too
17:08 jurov i'll forward or return the funds when someone picks up
17:08 mike_c mircea_popescu: yeah, i saw that. still not so easy without a clean box to get all those specific versions on
17:09 mircea_popescu williamdunne check it out, no credit no nothing.
17:09 chetty for the record I have gotten it to run on a laptop, but its very slow
17:09 mircea_popescu i actually got it to run on an old laptop too, but it was like 2 fps
17:10 pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Lausanne-hungry-garbage-can.jpg << this.
17:11 williamdunne mircea_popescu: Lol, yeah. Apparently they hedge theirs though rather than bear the risk
17:11 williamdunne William,
17:11 williamdunne You may be wondering why we’ve been so quiet lately.
17:11 williamdunne We started Sand Hill Exchange as a fun game to let people bet on startup valuations. It is an enjoyable experience, but when we pushed aggressively to monetize we received a cease and desist from the SEC.
17:11 williamdunne We never had any intention of operating in a regulated industry, nor do we have the resources required to do so. We reached a settlement agreement with the SEC and are reverting to the uncontroversial free version of Sand Hill Exchange.
17:11 williamdunne Sand Hill Exchange has always been strongest as a site focused on education and community. The paper trading version of our site preserves these values while providing a safe, fun experience.
17:11 williamdunne For full details on everything that transpired please check our blog.
17:11 williamdunne --
17:11 williamdunne The Sand Hill Exchange Team
17:11 mircea_popescu aha.
17:11 williamdunne Press release says they were fined $200k, email subject says $20k
17:11 * mircea_popescu will bbl, going to enterrtain teh eulorians
17:11 danielpbarron i also have run eulora on an old laptop
17:11 pete_dushenski what's a zero in fiat anyways ?
17:11 williamdunne They're doing it by issuing smart contracts so they're not the issuers technically, supposedly
17:11 williamdunne Any build available for buntu
17:12 williamdunne http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/383sl3/one_reason_to_support_increasing_the_block_size/
17:13 williamdunne derp
17:13 chetty williamdunne, it best if you compile yourself from the source, but its a breeze on ubuntu
17:14 pete_dushenski time to make my way to the gate. good evening y'all !
17:15 williamdunne chetty: Coolio, I'll look it up on the guide
17:15 williamdunne "25 days into our experiment, activity on the site was parabolic. Users were writing their own algorithmic traders. On most days, Sand Hill Exchange saw more trading volume than the New York Stock Exchange (circa 1840). Behind the scenes, we mapped out technology infrastructure to decentralize the exchange."
17:15 williamdunne "That’s when we received an inquiry from the SEC. And then a subpoena demanding a court appearance and all our documents and communications since the beginning of last year.
17:15 williamdunne We had less than $10,000 in the bank. We had no legal counsel to speak of."
17:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00031312 = 8.8926 BTC [-] {2}
17:22 * williamdunne remembers why he only uses languages with package management systems
17:24 thestringpuller ^lol like ruby?
17:24 williamdunne Never used Ruby personally
17:24 williamdunne C#, Elixir, D, and Java
17:25 williamdunne And more recently Meteor, although thats not a personal choice (but does have a great package manager)
17:26 williamdunne Oh god
17:26 williamdunne http://www.simondixon.org/iceland-is-the-most-important-country-in-the-world-right-now/2015/05/30/
17:27 thestringpuller i'm quitting the code life soon to pursue my dream of being a rapper
17:27 williamdunne M.C Goldburg
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17:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34414 @ 0.00031698 = 10.9085 BTC [+]
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18:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27494 @ 0.00031501 = 8.6609 BTC [-] {2}
18:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4556 @ 0.00031292 = 1.4257 BTC [-]
18:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25550 @ 0.00032542 = 8.3145 BTC [+]
18:48 menahem what do you guys think of this tee ?
18:48 menahem http://screencast.com/t/LxNozQwn7t3
18:49 williamdunne Well, its official, we're a cult.
18:49 menahem hahaha
18:51 menahem debating if i should add a quote to it
18:51 williamdunne "I'm better than you" should suffice
18:52 menahem "this Bitcock ain't gonna suck itself."
18:53 williamdunne +1
18:53 williamdunne Fuck it, I'd buy it
18:54 * danielpbarron already has the b-a official t-shirt thanks to nubbins`
18:57 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2014#698785
18:57 assbot Logged on 02-06-2014 15:57:38; nubbins`: ;;sell 1.0 "OFFICIAL #bitcoin-assets t-shirt" @ 25/{bitstampask} BTC "Worldwide shipping included. Optional '#bitcoin-assets / freenode' text on back. http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx"
18:57 BingoBoingo williamdunne: http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Plymouth-billionaire-Chris-Dawson-lambasted/story-26199605-detail/story.html << What about NHS workers moving from "Airstrip One" to somewhere which would pay them better... Like Ferguson.
18:59 williamdunne Well I think the essence, is if what you're currently doing isn't working, fucking change it
18:59 williamdunne But yeah
18:59 williamdunne Lots of options how to go about it
19:00 danielpbarron ;;later tell nubbins` could you make a few dozen business cards for me and have them arrive at my house by the 20th of this month? and what would that cost?
19:00 gribble The operation succeeded.
19:00 BingoBoingo Landgull: Dude, if you don't have a good answer, you're a lot better off just admitting it and asking for advice. Not just with finance, but in life as a whole. << Wait, there is now an aeronaut ninjaspamzor???
19:00 danielpbarron !up indiancandy1
19:01 indiancandy1 thanks dan
19:01 indiancandy1 whats up
19:02 danielpbarron eulora is up!
19:02 danielpbarron you into video games?
19:02 mats https://soundcloud.com/frances_music/grow-1
19:05 indiancandy1 erm
19:05 indiancandy1 depends really
19:05 trinque !up diana_coman
19:05 chetty yup eulora is live ;)
19:05 indiancandy1 lol
19:05 indiancandy1 nice mix mats
19:05 indiancandy1 i like it
19:12 indiancandy1 any one 24 here
19:14 williamdunne 24?
19:14 williamdunne The age?
19:21 decimation mats: the us military likes to keep its elborate hazing rituals
19:28 decimation https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/05/cybersecurity-and-tylenol-murders < "Yet none of the proposals now in Congress are aimed at actually increasing the safety of our data. Instead, the focus is on ?information sharing,? a euphemism for more surveillance of users and networks. These bills are not only wrongheaded, they seem to be a cynical ploy to use the very real problems of cybersecurity to advance a surveillance agenda, rather th
19:31 BingoBoingo !up indiancandy1
19:31 mats gas grills are an amazing invention
19:31 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
19:31 decimation usg actually should subsidize rather than punish hackers. Like terrorists, they provide the perfect excuse to expand state power with little opposition
19:32 BingoBoingo So, new low in wikipedia "art" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Antarctopelta.jpg Seriously dinosaurs and ducks never co-existed
19:33 indiancandy1 yh
19:33 indiancandy1 age
19:33 mats nommin on ma homemade white wine and shallot pork sausages
19:33 decimation BingoBoingo: one wonders how much 'high brow' trolling/bullshit has been incorporated into wikipedia
19:33 BingoBoingo decimation: I imagine that's what most of it is
19:33 mats decimation: were that only the case... imo its a holdover from a different, 'harder', era
19:34 decimation mats: note that militaries have had hazing rituals since time immemorial
19:34 indiancandy1 how do u make white wine
19:34 decimation u ferment white grapes
19:34 mats loled
19:35 indiancandy1 then
19:35 indiancandy1 it turns into liquid
19:35 indiancandy1 did u make it urself
19:35 indiancandy1 thats dope
19:35 mats my syntax is terrible
19:36 mats "white wine, shallot, and pork [sausage]"
19:36 indiancandy1 whats shallot
19:36 mats it all goes into one casing, the pork is braised in the wine
19:36 indiancandy1 ohhh ahahah
19:36 indiancandy1 damn
19:36 decimation the 'liquid' is a combination of sugar water and yeast shit
19:36 mats shallots are in the onion family
19:37 decimation although in most european style wines the sugar is mostly gone
19:37 decimation http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermentation
19:38 indiancandy1 are you in the eur
19:39 indiancandy1 oops eu
19:40 decimation I am not
19:40 indiancandy1 usa
19:41 indiancandy1 i ddint know u could cook sausage with wine
19:41 decimation yes
19:41 indiancandy1 i will try it
19:46 williamdunne Where are you based?
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20:03 danielpbarron !up indiancandy1
20:03 danielpbarron !up WolfGoethe
20:03 WolfGoethe yo
20:04 WolfGoethe anyone here actively do any peer to peer trading?
20:04 jurov WolfGoethe: sometimes
20:05 danielpbarron I think I do, but I never called it that
20:05 WolfGoethe jurov what payment methods do you use?
20:05 jurov sepa
20:05 WolfGoethe I do bank deposit, and paypal my cash
20:06 WolfGoethe ah europe, ok, where do u guys trade #bitcoin-otc ?
20:06 WolfGoethe danielpbarron what do you call it?
20:06 jurov yes there. anyone tries transferwise?
20:06 danielpbarron otc I suppose
20:06 WolfGoethe never tried transferwise, what premiums do u get with them?
20:07 WolfGoethe what sites are you guys on? LBC, bitwallet paxful ?
20:07 danielpbarron i mostly deal with my meatwot; not internet ppl
20:07 WolfGoethe meatwot ?
20:07 danielpbarron face to face people I know in person
20:07 WolfGoethe ahh in person trades, k
20:07 jurov apparently they ask 0.5% or $1
20:07 WolfGoethe i'm in NYC, dudes got robbed here inperson
20:07 jurov going to try
20:08 danielpbarron oh neat, I'm in CT
20:08 WolfGoethe i like high premiums, paypalmy cash gets up to a 100% sometimes
20:08 danielpbarron well I only deal with people I know; not randos
20:08 mxtm < massholes represent
20:08 indiancandy1 im in london
20:08 danielpbarron so chances of getting stuck up are very low
20:08 WolfGoethe what offers u guys got active now?
20:09 WolfGoethe there is a nice uk peer to peer trading site right?bit trust.couk ?
20:10 trinque mxtm: I was just describing to someone moving to Boston the difference in culture between new england and here (PDX) .... how did I forget "massholes"
20:11 indiancandy1 massholess meaning assholes in quantity?
20:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43867 @ 0.00032542 = 14.2752 BTC [+]
20:11 mxtm no indiancandy1, meaning people from massachusetts
20:12 mxtm and trinque, hah
20:12 trinque portland pussies stand no chance there
20:12 indiancandy1 why are they aholes
20:14 WolfGoethe portland was nice. met a super model lookin type girl there... she told me she hasn;t had a date in 6 months.. i was like why??? she said because the guys in portland are to scared to even say hi to her... lol
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20:14 WolfGoethe ortland has a dope ass bar arcade tho...
20:14 trinque WolfGoethe: nice town as an outsider yeah
20:15 mats i hope you took her on a date
20:15 mxtm i've never been to portland
20:15 trinque WolfGoethe: ground control?
20:15 WolfGoethe yeah, we just hung out and had fun, took for a ride on my bike, was going cross country
20:15 WolfGoethe no intimiate stuff tho lol. i'm not a player.. just a geek :)
20:16 WolfGoethe forgot the name of the arcade bar.. but they had all the old skool games. went for sf2 and tmnt.. had a blast with the model girl there
20:16 trinque girl goes home sadly to her hitachi
20:16 trinque lol
20:16 WolfGoethe lol
20:16 trinque WolfGoethe: was probably ground control
20:16 trinque I enjoy that spot
20:16 trinque get drunk on whiskeys and play galaga
20:17 WolfGoethe wanna go back, me nad her talk on FB, she got friends. I'm not into tall skinny blondes. like my women thick and short
20:17 WolfGoethe city had a cool vibe tho
20:17 trinque WolfGoethe: every time I build up enough piss and vinegar to leave, I find a reason to stay
20:17 WolfGoethe unrelated question.. anyone got some paypal my cash codes they wanna trade for some btc?
20:17 trinque I'm originally from TX
20:18 trinque !gettrust WolfGoethe
20:18 assbot WolfGoethe is not registered in WoT.
20:18 WolfGoethe I am in NYC. portland was nice. I rode thru texas. liked it Galveston and austin were awesome
20:18 WolfGoethe web of trust? how do i reg there?
20:18 trinque !h
20:18 assbot http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
20:18 trinque WolfGoethe: ^
20:18 trinque not that I'm personally buying, but that'd probably help
20:20 williamdunne indiancandy1: Oh I'm not the only one
20:20 WolfGoethe thanks
20:21 WolfGoethe i checked bitcoin-otc .. no paypal my cash there
20:21 williamdunne Oh wow
20:21 indiancandy1 what about london ppl
20:21 WolfGoethe can i post a link to ym trading profile here or is that not allowed?
20:21 indiancandy1 whose on instagram
20:21 williamdunne I sent an email to SandHill saying "So when are you moving then", and this was their response:
20:21 williamdunne "The US is our home -- they may be acting like nincompoops but I don't want to completely uproot over this."
20:21 williamdunne Lol
20:21 williamdunne They deserve to be fined
20:22 williamdunne indiancandy1: Nah, only UK, and I don't have a vagina so don't have an instagram account
20:23 WolfGoethe my instagram big booty feed is CRAZY
20:23 WolfGoethe the finest fitness booty imaginable.. it never ends
20:23 trinque williamdunne: but you do twat...
20:23 williamdunne trinque: I hide it well
20:23 williamdunne Its tucked underneath my tits
20:24 trinque (twitter)
20:24 williamdunne Oh yes, I'd be interested in seeing the male/female ratio on instagram/twitter though
20:25 trinque instagram is solely for hot women and pictures of their food/cats, this is true
20:25 WolfGoethe instagram has women like this... https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/e15/11230425_818749641507034_1768860839_n.jpg
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20:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49807 @ 0.0003255 = 16.2122 BTC [+] {2}
20:26 williamdunne Maybe I should get instagram
20:26 indiancandy1 i got a nice booty
20:26 indiancandy1 lol
20:26 williamdunne Yep
20:26 indiancandy1 how do u no
20:26 williamdunne Instagram
20:27 williamdunne Don't need an account to use it (Y)
20:27 trinque never do I look at my food or ass and say "goddamn someone needs to see this shit"
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20:27 WolfGoethe is this photoshopped? https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xfa1/t51.2885-15/e15/11326475_1582238262029854_1684735531_n.jpg
20:28 indiancandy1 did u see my insta account
20:28 williamdunne trinque: tbf I doubt your ass is as nice as indiancandy1's
20:28 trinque can confirm
20:28 williamdunne In fairness, didn't that one guy take a photo of a market up his ass at hanbot's request?
20:28 williamdunne *marker
20:28 WolfGoethe pics pls
20:28 indiancandy1 how did u see my insta
20:28 indiancandy1 i didnt link u it
20:28 indiancandy1 the link u sent is taking ages
20:28 WolfGoethe not the market up the udes butt.. girls
20:29 trinque indiancandy1: I haven't
20:29 williamdunne indiancandy1: You've told us your username before
20:29 BingoBoingo indiancandy1: You really don't give your twitter account enough love
20:29 williamdunne realshantidynamite
20:29 indiancandy1 that ass was nice
20:29 WolfGoethe Fav pic here? -> http://healthlevelup.com/fit-girl-gallery/
20:30 WolfGoethe squat booty rules all. skinny booty is a travesty worthy of jihad
20:30 williamdunne WolfGoethe: Urm... your link returned this
20:30 williamdunne https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/e15/11325010_484726545020911_527289776_n.jpg
20:31 WolfGoethe huh? lt the page load. there are women on there
20:31 WolfGoethe https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xpf1/t51.2885-15/e15/929255_1423984554587620_1726015887_n.jpg
20:32 WolfGoethe where do u see that?
20:32 WolfGoethe all i see is thick squat booty
20:32 williamdunne It was on maybe the second page of it
20:32 WolfGoethe https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xpa1/t51.2885-15/e15/11111522_642938059183228_394004934_n.jpg
20:33 williamdunne Opinions? https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1301&bih=676&q=holly+willoughby&oq=holly+wi&gs_l=img.3.0.0l10.1082.2302.0.3961.8.8.0.0.0.0.72.467.8.8.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..0.8.467._pnh2oflBjk
20:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34605 @ 0.00032759 = 11.3363 BTC [+] {2}
20:34 WolfGoethe she prob has zero boot
20:34 WolfGoethe y
20:34 WolfGoethe pass...
20:34 WolfGoethe https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xfp1/t51.2885-15/e15/11189527_901673319895202_1208079325_n.jpg
20:35 trinque indiancandy1: https://igcdn-photos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/11336143_644313775702435_915024639_n.jpg lol
20:36 williamdunne I'm trying to work out why
20:36 mats butts
20:37 BingoBoingo !up indiancandy1
20:37 indiancandy1 that pic
20:37 indiancandy1 is my friends x gf
20:37 indiancandy1 her name is tessa
20:37 indiancandy1 shes really into bdsm lifestyle
20:37 williamdunne indiancandy1: are you registered in the WoT?
20:37 indiancandy1 no coz i duno how to do it
20:37 indiancandy1 its so complicated
20:38 williamdunne Would you like some help?
20:38 BingoBoingo !up WolfGoethe
20:38 WolfGoethe the tatto girl?
20:38 WolfGoethe i'd tie hr up..lol
20:39 WolfGoethe nah not into that. tattoos ruin it for me
20:39 trinque prolly the chick who's a table
20:39 trinque WolfGoethe: same
20:39 trinque tried dating a chick once covered in tats, very distracting
20:39 WolfGoethe gross
20:39 williamdunne I like em', not gonna liea
20:39 WolfGoethe ride a bike and u talk to a lot fo tat girls.. do nothing for me
20:40 williamdunne Was thinking of getting a tattoo while in Prague actually..
20:40 trinque "you had this great body, then let 'artists' use it like a bar bathroom wall"
20:41 indiancandy1 yes will
20:41 indiancandy1 i would
20:41 indiancandy1 i got 11 tattoos
20:41 indiancandy1 dont hate
20:41 williamdunne indiancandy1: Mmk, what sort of computer do you have?
20:41 indiancandy1 laptop
20:41 Adlai !b 2
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20:41 assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3ZYPGRE.txt )
20:42 williamdunne Apple or other?
20:42 indiancandy1 hp
20:42 williamdunne k
20:42 indiancandy1 im getting a tattoo above my panty line this week
20:42 williamdunne What are you getting done?
20:42 indiancandy1 some horizontal tribal thin design
20:42 BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Did you ever get that pink netbook?
20:43 williamdunne indiancandy1: noice
20:43 williamdunne indiancandy1: Anyhow, go here
20:43 williamdunne indiancandy1: http://www.gpg4win.org/download.html
20:44 williamdunne And click the first big green button
20:44 williamdunne And then click run
20:44 williamdunne And wait for it to open
20:44 williamdunne Then tell me
20:44 indiancandy1 ok
20:44 danielpbarron BingoBoingo, lol no, I got outbid and forgot about it
20:44 mod6 Update: full sync of v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patche(s) { Orphanage Thermonuke } + { TX Orphanage Amputation } is up to block: 314713
20:45 BingoBoingo nice mod6
20:46 indiancandy1 i clckd run
20:46 indiancandy1 it says windows smartscreen csnt be reached atm
20:46 indiancandy1 wtf
20:47 trinque http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/internet-explorer/products/ie-9/features/smartscreen-filter
20:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63700 @ 0.00032827 = 20.9108 BTC [+]
20:48 indiancandy1 what is all this
20:48 williamdunne Just click ignore or ok or summin
20:48 trinque it's a hamfisted attempt to "protect" the user
20:49 trinque by crippling the software
20:50 indiancandy1 im confused
20:50 indiancandy1 u lost m
20:50 indiancandy1 e
20:50 williamdunne Ok
20:50 williamdunne So when you see the smart screen thing yes, what buttons can you click?
20:51 williamdunne Also, I'm a little disturbed by your usage of #latina on this https://instagram.com/p/0lS3nwB6Ip/
20:52 williamdunne I don't believe Greece, India, or the UK are in South America
20:52 trinque williamdunne: did you not hear the tunes?
20:53 indiancandy1 i dont handle it
20:53 indiancandy1 my insta
20:53 indiancandy1 some indian boy does
20:53 indiancandy1 in banglaore
20:53 williamdunne Ahahahaha
20:53 williamdunne Thats hilarious
20:53 trinque "my instagram guy"
20:53 williamdunne trinque: Sounded like electro-jamaican-indian to me
20:53 indiancandy1 the song is jamaican
20:53 trinque ah what do I know; I wasn't really listening :D
20:53 williamdunne trinque: I called it
20:53 trinque so then I'm the racist
20:54 indiancandy1 how
20:54 williamdunne trinque: Typical Eastern European
20:54 williamdunne Racist, all of em
20:54 trinque I thought that was some kind of reggaeton thing or w/e it's called
20:55 williamdunne indiancandy1: how what?
20:55 indiancandy1 did u call me eastern europnean
20:55 indiancandy1 ahahah
20:55 trinque <---
20:55 indiancandy1 aah
20:55 indiancandy1 were u from
20:55 trinque but I'm not
20:55 trinque I'm a mongrel from the US
20:56 williamdunne indiancandy1: Oops, meant trinque.
20:56 williamdunne I'm from the UK, which is just as bad
20:56 trinque some french, some italian, and a smattering of various UK miscellany
20:56 williamdunne trinque: I think you just described most Europeans
20:56 trinque heh! probably so
20:57 williamdunne Eh, I'll be in London on Sunday before flying to Bucharest on Monday
20:57 williamdunne :D
20:58 trinque williamdunne: what do you do that has you traveling
20:58 trinque indiancandy1: get in the wot! we need more beautiful women.
20:58 williamdunne Lady from Credit Agricole decided I have to open the account in person
20:58 williamdunne trinque: Do we have any other beautiful women?
20:59 trinque dunno, but one should always have more
20:59 williamdunne Can you up someone multiple times I wonder..
20:59 williamdunne !up indiancandy1
21:00 williamdunne !up indiancandy1
21:00 williamdunne Nah it just refreshes it
21:00 trinque hm, so this is a perfect example of a gossipd use case
21:00 williamdunne Forcing people to be registered?
21:00 trinque well, or just tagging along on someone's more permissive node if they don wanna
21:01 williamdunne Would she have got here in the first place if it wasn't for freenode webchat?
21:01 trinque like life :p
21:01 williamdunne I'm pretty fucking excited, Bucharest -> Prague -> Istanbul is gonna be fun
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21:01 indiancandy1 hii
21:01 trinque indiancandy1: did you install the thing?
21:01 indiancandy1 can u do it 4 me
21:01 indiancandy1 via teamviewer
21:01 indiancandy1 :P
21:02 trinque heh williamdunne do a join.me or something with her
21:02 williamdunne indiancandy1: Yes I can
21:02 trinque or yeah teamviewer
21:02 indiancandy1 yay
21:02 williamdunne Just let me install it one sec
21:02 indiancandy1 ergh turks
21:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83600 @ 0.00032887 = 27.4935 BTC [+] {3}
21:03 indiancandy1 jokes
21:03 indiancandy1 so trin where in uk r u
21:03 trinque nah US, portland oregon
21:03 trinque williamdunne's the limey
21:03 indiancandy1 ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
21:05 williamdunne indiancandy1: I dropped you a private message, if you give me your teamviewer details I'll sort it for you
21:06 trinque goes without saying but... do not paste that here
21:06 trinque :D
21:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73033 @ 0.00033146 = 24.2075 BTC [+] {3}
21:06 indiancandy1 okk
21:06 indiancandy1 i trade nudes 4 btc
21:06 indiancandy1 hahahaha
21:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12367 @ 0.00033542 = 4.1481 BTC [+]
21:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57600 @ 0.00033575 = 19.3392 BTC [+] {2}
21:10 trinque !up WolfGoethe
21:10 trinque WolfGoethe: while we're doing inductions, why don't you register too
21:10 trinque and I'll rate you so you can self-up later
21:11 trinque at some point we're gonna need a ritual
21:12 indiancandy1 !register A886215D072240C8D8632DA8564F4D7DAEEA5571
21:12 assbot Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: A886215D072240C8D8632DA8564F4D7DAEEA5571. This may take a few moments.
21:12 assbot Key AEEA5571 / "indiancandy1" successfully imported.
21:12 assbot Registration successful.
21:12 williamdunne Who is in the lords list?
21:12 indiancandy1 u done willz
21:13 williamdunne Can someone in the lords list please give indiancandy a rate?
21:13 williamdunne Nearly
21:13 trinque sure
21:13 williamdunne I'll just show you how to use it once you've been rated
21:13 trinque !rate indiancandy1 1 new blood
21:13 assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/e4597feaf7ab2130
21:13 trinque !v assbot:trinque.rate.indiancandy1.1:32279bb36b80ec9a60317e8aa0ca228d9837e259b890b090e1aa639427bd5da1
21:13 assbot Successfully added a rating of 1 for indiancandy1 with note: new blood
21:13 trinque welcome
21:15 asciilifeform http://www.getlofi.com/uploaded_images/85_1_b-766859.JPG
21:16 trinque asciilifeform: what's that guy?
21:16 asciilifeform idk
21:16 trinque looks... like it does... something
21:16 asciilifeform aha.
21:17 trinque google image search says it's chocolate
21:17 trinque fuck you google
21:17 trinque lol
21:17 asciilifeform l0l
21:18 williamdunne Who tried to set this up before for indiancandy1? She doesn't know what the password is to the key.. aha
21:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44577 @ 0.00032795 = 14.619 BTC [-] {2}
21:19 williamdunne Probably should have checked that before registering -.-
21:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35023 @ 0.00032498 = 11.3818 BTC [-]
21:20 trinque so close!
21:20 trinque williamdunne: and now you'll need to be able to use the old key to use !changekey
21:20 williamdunne Yep, wow
21:20 williamdunne Great start..
21:20 williamdunne Can kakro overrule this when he is online I wonder?
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21:21 trinque any simple guesses for the password?
21:21 WolfGoethe !register A886215D072240C8D8632DA8564F4D7DAEEA5571
21:21 assbot A key with that fingerprint is already registered by indiancandy1
21:22 williamdunne Its not her normal password, its not no password, and its not password
21:22 williamdunne (GPG4WIN asks for password even if there is none)
21:22 trinque lol so much fail
21:22 williamdunne Yep
21:22 WolfGoethe so i need to get a pgp key first?
21:22 williamdunne Guess we'll have to wait for kakro and see if he can fix it
21:22 williamdunne WolfGoethe: Yep
21:22 trinque WolfGoethe: yes, what OS are you on
21:22 WolfGoethe mac osx
21:23 WolfGoethe never messed with pgp
21:23 trinque WolfGoethe: https://gpgtools.org/
21:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00033869 = 6.3674 BTC [+] {3}
21:24 WolfGoethe thanks already dling beta 6
21:24 trinque WolfGoethe: 4096 bits recommended as the key size
21:25 williamdunne +1
21:25 trinque in the key creation dialog it will ask whether you want to upload the key, do that
21:25 trinque then assbot will be able to find it when you provide your fingerprint
21:26 williamdunne ;;later tell kakobrekla can you unregister indiancandy1? I was setting it up for her and forgot to check if she knew the password to her GPG key.. she hasn't authed yet
21:26 gribble The operation succeeded.
21:27 trinque asciilifeform: my only guess is some kind of supr s3kr3t radio disguisable as a beer can
21:27 trinque maybe the knob comes off, some kind of outer covering goes on
21:28 indiancandy1 what fingerprint
21:28 WolfGoethe i sent it to the keyserver, how do you look it up? name or email ?
21:28 mats https://www.change.org/p/protect-our-kids-pass-the-teach-safe-relationships-act
21:29 williamdunne indiancandy1: Its like an identifier for your key that I registered you with, the one you didn't know the password for
21:29 WolfGoethe key id?
21:29 trinque WolfGoethe: somewhere there will be listed a "fingerprint" of the key
21:29 trinque that's the argument to !register
21:29 WolfGoethe got it
21:29 trinque no spaces
21:29 WolfGoethe do i post it here?
21:29 trinque sure as indiancandy1 by way of williamdunne did
21:29 trinque but like.... better than they did :D
21:30 WolfGoethe !register A364FCEAC68953860519C8A5A66E2D65273F03BD
21:30 assbot Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: A364FCEAC68953860519C8A5A66E2D65273F03BD. This may take a few moments.
21:30 assbot No valid OpenPGP data found on pgp.mit.edu.
21:31 WolfGoethe hmmm
21:32 WolfGoethe i send public key to keyserver
21:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.00034103 = 16.0284 BTC [+] {2}
21:32 trinque WolfGoethe: either it wasn't the right one, or it takes a minute
21:33 WolfGoethe !register A364FCEAC68953860519C8A5A66E2D65273F03BD
21:33 assbot Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: A364FCEAC68953860519C8A5A66E2D65273F03BD. This may take a few moments.
21:33 assbot Key 273F03BD / "wolfgangX <wolfgangg432@gmail.com>" successfully imported.
21:33 assbot Registration successful.
21:33 WolfGoethe works
21:33 trinque !rate WolfGoethe 1 new blood
21:33 assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/59086853159ade6f
21:34 WolfGoethe what do i do with this key ?
21:34 trinque !v assbot:trinque.rate.WolfGoethe.1:1c0fe620b46c4634282678cb9daeae399403b84ad5669b4f1d8cc018fbe84b09
21:34 assbot Successfully added a rating of 1 for WolfGoethe with note: new blood
21:35 trinque WolfGoethe: when you want voice, send a private message of !up to assbot
21:35 trinque it'll send you a url, you decrypt the contents and give it back to assbot with !v
21:35 trinque as I did with my rating
21:35 trinque try it.
21:35 trinque !down WolfGoethe
21:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.0003433 = 7.5183 BTC [+] {2}
21:49 WolfGoethe wow
21:49 WolfGoethe thanks trinque
21:49 WolfGoethe that was an involved process
21:49 WolfGoethe only the geekiest of the crypto geeks would go thru all that just to post big booty pics
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21:51 williamdunne Lol
21:51 williamdunne Its as manly as it gets
21:54 trinque WolfGoethe: weeds out the morons; congrats
21:55 WolfGoethe cool
21:55 WolfGoethe i wrote a bitcoind core api server with full logging etc...
21:55 WolfGoethe open source of coz
21:55 WolfGoethe trying to give back with more than just phat instagram booty
21:56 trinque what good cult doesn't have booty
21:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00033904 = 9.1541 BTC [-]
21:57 williamdunne !up mj4_
21:57 williamdunne !up mjr_
21:57 mjr_ what up all
21:58 mjr_ i was going to say that we should have a ceremony with robes for voicing
21:58 trinque !gettrust mjr_
21:58 assbot mjr_ is not registered in WoT.
21:58 trinque who is we
21:59 mjr_ look up Josh_Rossi i thihnk
21:59 williamdunne Oh I didn't realize its Josh!
21:59 mjr_ !gettrust Josh_Rossi
21:59 assbot mjr_ is not registered in WoT.
21:59 williamdunne Hey Josh
21:59 williamdunne !gettrust Josh_rossi
21:59 assbot Trust relationship from user williamdunne to user Josh_rossi: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=williamdunne&to=Josh_rossi | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Josh_rossi/
21:59 mjr_ how did you find it wiliam?
21:59 mjr_ ah lower case r
21:59 williamdunne I'm registered, mjr_ isn't
21:59 williamdunne Oh, could be wrong
21:59 mjr_ i should be registered, aren't I?
22:00 trinque mjr_: yeah, otherwise you might as well be the pope
22:00 mjr_ http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/josh_rossi/
22:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33000 @ 0.00034352 = 11.3362 BTC [+]
22:01 danielpbarron !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.indiancandy1.1:036a1f902e6a7d0baf97178fc7a27e84060ce2a60228e1ed417f230871f4812a
22:01 assbot Successfully added a rating of 1 for indiancandy1 with note: indian viral video star living in london
22:01 williamdunne danielpbarron: She doesn't have her password unfortunately to here PGP key D:
22:01 mjr_ anyway, kakobrekla around?
22:01 trinque mjr_: you could be that guy, but how would anyone know?
22:01 mjr_ ugh
22:02 mjr_ ok hold on, let me plug in my other computer
22:02 mjr_ i don't know why anyone would care if i was that guy
22:02 mjr_ since it literally makes 0 difference
22:03 williamdunne !up indiancandy1
22:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95491 @ 0.00033597 = 32.0821 BTC [-] {2}
22:04 trinque mjr_: kakobrekla might if you're looking for him. consider if you will the value of making claims to an identity with hard proof
22:04 indiancandy1 thanks 4 the rateing D
22:04 mjr_ well, i will let kakobrekla be the judge of that
22:05 indiancandy1 isnt mp the owner of this irc
22:05 indiancandy1 ?
22:05 trinque the amount of bitching people do over 10sec of work...
22:05 mjr_ yeah i think he started it
22:05 mjr_ 10 seconds of work if you have your key on this computer...and you have used it recently
22:06 mjr_ you might have to go back a year or so to find the last time i chatted here
22:06 mjr_ but, i was at the first of the timisoara conferences
22:06 indiancandy1 okay
22:06 indiancandy1 good for you
22:06 indiancandy1 LOL
22:06 trinque !b 4
22:06 assbot Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0GM9H90.txt )
22:06 mjr_ and considering I don't think 10 seconds of work is worth it to say hi to someone
22:07 trinque mjr_: you're taking this far too seriously
22:07 trinque I was merely stating facts
22:07 mjr_ what was the fact?
22:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21259 @ 0.00034281 = 7.2878 BTC [+]
22:07 trinque that you are not you by virtue of saying "I am me" on IRC
22:07 mjr_ i didn't say i was
22:07 mjr_ i wasn't trying to prove that I am me
22:07 mjr_ i was asking if anyone has seen kakobrekla recently
22:08 trinque you put a link to indicate who you were
22:08 trinque which is retarded
22:08 mjr_ because someone else said "i'm registered josh isn't"
22:08 mjr_ eh, maybe to you
22:08 mjr_ i don't really care
22:08 trinque nor I
22:09 mjr_ so, why press the point?
22:09 mjr_ i wasn't necessarily talking to you about anything sensitive or financial in nature...
22:09 mjr_ so there is no reason for you to know who I am, or care
22:09 williamdunne mjr_: Oh, it was me that said it. I meant that I'm registered so assbot listened to me
22:09 mod6 wassup mjr: assbot doesn't have a fast time-out like gribble. so you can take your otp and decrypt on another box (air-gap) for instance and not have to worry.
22:10 mjr_ yeah, working on it now
22:10 mjr_ have to charge an old laptop
22:10 mjr_ but again, it doesn't really matter if its me or not
22:10 trinque mjr_: dunno why this is hard for you... you made a claim to an identity, and I informed you that you really had done no such thing
22:10 mjr_ or rather, it doesn't matter whether the person typing this is Josh Rossi or not
22:10 trinque as I would do towards anyone
22:11 williamdunne I can vouch that it is Josh Rossi
22:11 mod6 well, it does to me! we used to chat back in the day, i'd like to know if its mjr i.e. father of buttonwood or dog.
22:11 mjr_ eh, if you say it is a claim, it wasn't meant as such
22:11 mjr_ obvs
22:11 williamdunne mod6: It is buttonwood
22:11 mjr_ but again, I am not trying to prove that it is me
22:11 trinque had a conversation earlier about how flat text is sometimes, which applies here
22:11 indiancandy1 GOODNIGHT FELLAS
22:11 mjr_ in other words, i don't have anything to discuss that must be proven to have come from me
22:11 trinque indiancandy1: cya!
22:12 indiancandy1 by triny
22:12 decimation indiancandy1: do you live in a council house?
22:14 trinque mjr_: I'm amused that this offended you so deeply it required this much discussion
22:14 trinque if you don't want to auth by all means
22:14 mjr_ it didn't offend me at all, i was just saying that in my humble opinion, auth'ing is useful if you want to prove you are the one who said something
22:15 mjr_ since i don't have that need, it is not so important to me
22:15 mjr_ but i might as well after all this
22:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70850 @ 0.00032208 = 22.8194 BTC [-] {2}
22:16 trinque no, it's also so that those present can tell who the fuck you are
22:16 williamdunne Well, to be fair we already know who he is..
22:17 trinque you do, how do I?
22:17 williamdunne Well, hopefully you'd trust me enough to auth him. So you should think it is him even if you don't cryptographically know its him
22:17 decimation mjr_: the important part is that friends can be enumerated
22:17 trinque ^
22:18 trinque williamdunne: ever heard "trust but verify" ?
22:18 trinque I'm not insulting the guy by saying "hello, who the fuck are you?"
22:18 williamdunne Yeah, but I don't think its always that necessary
22:18 williamdunne i.e if he was signing a contract, you verify that
22:18 trinque so you do
22:18 decimation williamdunne: it's necessary when there's a world full of zombies who want to waste your time
22:18 williamdunne But if he's coming and saying 'hello' why the fuck does it matter?
22:19 trinque because if I can see your face, and I've seen the face before, I'll know it
22:19 trinque this is that for the internet
22:19 decimation if by 'he's saying hello' you mean 'he has nothing to say', then it matters because of clutter
22:19 williamdunne trinque: What about if I call you and say "Hey its Wil"
22:20 decimation williamdunne: a poor but typical substitute for gpg auth
22:20 trinque that conversation would a) not be a part of the public forum and b) if I knew you well, we could more or less establish who each other were by familiarity, but ^ it sucks
22:21 trinque people should auth here for the same reason the deedbot- doesn't take any tattered scrap of paper from the street
22:21 decimation imagine you were attending a lecture on the fourier transform. now imagine the lecture was taking place in an open booth on a london street
22:21 williamdunne I dunno, I just don't see auth as that important if they're not doing anything extraordinary
22:22 decimation would class be enhanced by random derps walking in and saying stupid shit?
22:22 trinque williamdunne: stating your opinion is no argument
22:22 trinque if it's not important why not remove the requirement on voice all together
22:23 trinque mjr_: note this is more a point about the general benefits; you can do as you please
22:23 decimation we used to have it that way; random derps would 'drop by and say hello'
22:23 trinque sounds fucking terrible
22:24 trinque see: every IRC channel that's ever been
22:24 trinque eventually rots
22:26 trinque !up liquidassets
22:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38759 @ 0.00032031 = 12.4149 BTC [-] {2}
22:28 trinque !up mjr_
22:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78914 @ 0.00032388 = 25.5587 BTC [+] {2}
22:49 mjr_ understood
22:49 mjr_ but i think comparing this to a class on a fourier transform is QUITE generous
22:50 trinque !down mjr_
22:50 trinque then go fuck yourself.
22:57 williamdunne Seems extreme
22:59 trinque williamdunne: modicum of respect is not a big ask
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23:00 williamdunne I'm not entirely sure what he said means, but it didn't sound that disrespectful
23:01 trinque I heard "fuck you" "gpg isn't that important" and "this place isn't that important"
23:01 trinque this aside, decrypting a message from assbot takes far less time than his protestations that "it's pointless!"
23:03 williamdunne Well, I'll agree with the second bit, would take less time to decrypt that assbot message
23:03 trinque this attitude of being above it all is so american
23:03 trinque he is, isn't he?
23:03 trinque that's my guess anyway
23:03 trinque or maybe it's leaking elsewhere
23:04 trinque I have no fucking time for it
23:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50900 @ 0.00031909 = 16.2417 BTC [-]
23:04 williamdunne Dunno, he's in Panama IIRC
23:04 williamdunne Don't know his nationality
23:04 williamdunne WTF did I just find..
23:04 williamdunne http://i.imgur.com/gqdhidB.gifv
23:06 williamdunne I think he is "some french, some italian, and a smattering of various UK miscellany"
23:06 williamdunne ;)
23:06 trinque heh
23:07 trinque guy shows up to a place, lets the people there know what they're doing isn't all that important
23:07 trinque hipsterism
23:07 trinque my well of hate for this mentality is bottomless
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23:10 williamdunne I don't think that was his intention, however you took it
23:12 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu you've got mailz
23:12 gribble The operation succeeded.
23:15 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu last line of broadcast is not strictly correct - i also have a small number that i hand-assembled. but these don't count for the purpose of evaluating mf. corp.
23:15 gribble The operation succeeded.
23:15 decimation asciilifeform: what do you think of the macrofab folk so far?
23:16 asciilifeform decimation: read this month's broadcast when it comes out.
23:16 asciilifeform won't spoil it.
23:16 WolfGoethe Williamsburg broolklyn would be a nitemare for u. hipster centetral.plaid and skinny pants n beards
23:19 trinque WolfGoethe: I live in portland oregon, hipster mecca
23:19 trinque serious influx of californians lately too, it seems
23:25 asciilifeform decimation: to make long story short, the folks at macrofab are helpful and apparently well-intentioned, but they assemble using slaves, and it shows.
23:25 decimation trinque: they are fleeing the reconquistada as well as usg 'sitting' upon silicon valley
23:26 decimation asciilifeform: yeah in their podcast they said that most of their placement was by hand, save the 'house parts'
23:26 asciilifeform decimation: double-digit defect rate.
23:26 decimation heh
23:27 decimation 90-95% yield is fairly acceptable
23:27 decimation but not with simple parts
23:28 asciilifeform it very seldom gets simpler than what i had them make
23:29 decimation what is the smallest pitch on your smt parts?
23:29 asciilifeform 100% 0805 passives, two soic-8 ics
23:30 asciilifeform it was deliberately designed for hand-assembly
23:30 decimation heh that's not exactly challenging
23:30 asciilifeform one would think!
23:31 asciilifeform well, there is a third ic, sot353
23:31 asciilifeform so that'd be the smallest pitch
23:31 asciilifeform but oddly enough, that one is 100% on target
23:33 decimation it might be on the pick n' place. or maybe the 'best' tech does the small stuff
23:35 decimation asciilifeform: was there tombstoning?
23:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49300 @ 0.00031292 = 15.427 BTC [-]
23:35 decimation you would have to try hard to tombstone an 0805
23:36 mike_c ;;later tell mircea_popescu: requeting 1 eulor acct please
23:36 gribble The operation succeeded.
23:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00031909 = 5.8074 BTC [+]
23:40 asciilifeform decimation: not visibly
23:43 decimation asciilifeform: have you used a 'termtek' dumb terminal like so: http://www.termtek.de/635b.htm
23:45 asciilifeform decimation: can't say that i have
23:45 asciilifeform why?
23:46 asciilifeform looks surprisingly 'modern'
23:47 decimation I want to used for a 'remote head' on a server
23:47 decimation in combination with rs-422 adapters to send serial over cat5
23:49 decimation plus, is fanless
23:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19211 @ 0.00031367 = 6.0259 BTC [-]
23:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66250 @ 0.00032439 = 21.4908 BTC [+]
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