00:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80506 @ 0.00041514 = 33.4213 BTC [-] |
00:10 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70329 @ 0.00040621 = 28.5683 BTC [-] |
00:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00040657 = 12.807 BTC [+] |
00:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84800 @ 0.00040408 = 34.266 BTC [-] {2} |
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00:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52500 @ 0.00039714 = 20.8499 BTC [-] {2} |
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01:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75300 @ 0.00039377 = 29.6509 BTC [-] |
01:28 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106950 @ 0.00040878 = 43.719 BTC [+] {2} |
01:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75300 @ 0.00040534 = 30.5221 BTC [-] |
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02:00 |
phf |
hello, i had some free time so i built bitcoind with patches up to "ver 5_4" on os x 10.8 |
02:00 |
phf |
it's doing all the right things, i.e. wouldn't connect until explicitly given addnode, discurding bastard blocks, hovering at 62mb. block count 129821 right now |
02:00 |
phf |
can anyone confirm that this looks like a complete list of patches to date http://paste.lisp.org/display/150429? (afaik those marked as U have been rejected on ml) |
02:00 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1LAxifh ) |
02:13 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40965 @ 0.00040534 = 16.6048 BTC [-] |
02:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59850 @ 0.00041015 = 24.5475 BTC [+] {4} |
02:19 |
BingoBoingo |
Oh phuctor passed a million moduli http://nosuchlabs.com/stats |
02:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49300 @ 0.0004008 = 19.7594 BTC [-] {2} |
02:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41800 @ 0.00039344 = 16.4458 BTC [-] |
02:34 |
BingoBoingo |
phf: It doesn't look wrong |
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02:50 |
BingoBoingo |
Commenters need to step the game up http://qntra.net/2015/04/obama-orders-war-on-computing-and-bitcoin-with-new-emergency-order-full-text/#comment-28596 |
02:50 |
assbot |
Obama Orders War On Computing And Bitcoin With New "Emergency" Order (Full Text) | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gygv8r ) |
02:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58332 @ 0.00041271 = 24.0742 BTC [+] |
02:58 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/former-white-house-chef-walter-scheib-drowned-accidental-death-autopsy-n380636 |
02:58 |
assbot |
Former White House Chef Walter Scheib Drowned in Accidental Death: Autopsy - NBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1GygRMj ) |
02:58 |
BingoBoingo |
^ For the nailgun chronicles |
03:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116900 @ 0.0003968 = 46.3859 BTC [-] {3} |
03:14 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112850 @ 0.00041425 = 46.7481 BTC [+] {2} |
03:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00041737 = 4.3406 BTC [+] |
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03:46 |
punkman |
http://1g1uem2nc4jy1gzhn943ro0gz50.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/retention_graph_average.png |
03:46 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1FAqQj7 ) |
03:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 164850 @ 0.0003948 = 65.0828 BTC [-] {2} |
03:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 244489 @ 0.00041601 = 101.7099 BTC [+] {4} |
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04:17 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120900 @ 0.00040884 = 49.4288 BTC [-] |
04:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61100 @ 0.00042029 = 25.6797 BTC [+] {2} |
04:31 |
cazalla |
looks like google has shitcanned confederate flags https://www.google.com.au/webhp?&gfe_rd=cr&ei=rGqKVbPaEcf98wedmIHwDg#q=confederate+flag&tbm=shop |
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04:31 |
assbot |
Google ... ( http://bit.ly/1KbZCr7 ) |
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05:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41750 @ 0.00041219 = 17.2089 BTC [-] |
05:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00041835 = 10.0404 BTC [+] |
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05:48 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83249 @ 0.00041835 = 34.8272 BTC [+] |
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06:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69200 @ 0.00041305 = 28.5831 BTC [-] {3} |
06:14 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154900 @ 0.000423 = 65.5227 BTC [+] {4} |
06:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103400 @ 0.00042664 = 44.1146 BTC [+] {2} |
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06:45 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47900 @ 0.00041344 = 19.8038 BTC [-] |
06:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148074 @ 0.00041362 = 61.2464 BTC [+] {2} |
06:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51447 @ 0.0004274 = 21.9884 BTC [+] {2} |
06:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 190603 @ 0.00042824 = 81.6238 BTC [+] |
06:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38438 @ 0.00042824 = 16.4607 BTC [+] |
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07:11 |
cazalla |
BingoBoingo, looks like they finally had the coins made one of your articles mentiond a few months back http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11694838/Islamic-State-mints-its-own-Islamic-Dinar-coins.html |
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07:11 |
assbot |
Islamic State mints its own 'Islamic Dinar' coins - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1SJsZCJ ) |
07:14 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52500 @ 0.00042676 = 22.4049 BTC [-] |
07:22 |
mircea_popescu |
<BingoBoingo> Oh phuctor passed a million moduli http://nosuchlabs.com/stats << age, cave, tace! |
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07:22 |
mircea_popescu |
500mn digits worth of P too. |
07:26 |
jurov |
did anyone with phuctored key write to you? |
07:27 |
mircea_popescu |
at least a coupla wrote to me to derp, back during the slashdot censorship days |
07:28 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman1 i'm frankly surprised at the hefty chunk left in the 90 days range. i think that graph is bogus, and the real graph is a lot more like f'(x) = f(x)^3.something, where we take probabilities as from 0 to 1. |
07:29 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla aww i was looking for a "as BingoBoingo said...". shame on 'em. |
07:32 |
mircea_popescu |
and what a shitty design. |
07:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107860 @ 0.00042756 = 46.1166 BTC [+] {2} |
07:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45682 @ 0.00042853 = 19.5761 BTC [+] {2} |
07:35 |
mircea_popescu |
"Councillor Karen Danczuk, wife of Labour MP for Rochdale, Simon, has been tweeting selfies that show her cleavage. The 31-year-old councillor for Kingsway, who also runs a deli with her husband, has uploaded photos of her cleavage in a bikini and another of her bare legs." |
07:35 |
mircea_popescu |
o noes, the bare legs of some rural wench. england prevails! |
07:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 223000 @ 0.00041603 = 92.7747 BTC [-] {3} |
07:43 |
mircea_popescu |
"With its subversive political allegory - including a terrorist as the leading man - and clear-cut leftist sensibilities, V for Vendetta is the kind of movie that the conservative right will have a field day with." |
07:43 |
mircea_popescu |
ahahaha WUT. |
07:43 |
mircea_popescu |
check it out, idiots imagine everything that happens is by idiots, about idiots, for idiots. |
07:43 |
mircea_popescu |
such a novel development. |
07:47 |
mircea_popescu |
more on point, http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/11/kevin-deanna-england-prevails/ |
07:47 |
assbot |
England Prevails | The Occidental Observer - White Identity, Interests, and Culture ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kckoqx ) |
07:47 |
mircea_popescu |
"The problem, of course, is that this is also the United Kingdom in the world we live in right now." |
07:47 |
mircea_popescu |
nazi[onal] socialism being, of course, just another socialism. |
07:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102900 @ 0.00041892 = 43.1069 BTC [+] |
08:01 |
cazalla |
so where are the pics? |
08:02 |
cazalla |
http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article4307576.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/Karen-Danczuk.jpg |
08:02 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1KcmgQc ) |
08:04 |
cazalla |
and another https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHrrhMDWEAAFx5u.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CG_NXShXAAA9Hs8.jpg |
08:04 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1GpDe7r ) |
08:04 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1GpDe7v ) |
08:05 |
jurov |
anime fangirls would kill for these eyes |
08:05 |
cazalla |
she appears to be posting more pics in response to that article.. https://twitter.com/KarenDanczuk/media |
08:05 |
assbot |
Photos et vidéos de Karen Danczuk (@KarenDanczuk) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1GpDl2O ) |
08:07 |
cazalla |
mircea_popescu, i forgot to ask.. did the spammer login with the password or hammer login with various passwords until he got in? |
08:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73273 @ 0.00040923 = 29.9855 BTC [-] {2} |
08:07 |
mircea_popescu |
the latter. there's two different things killing you if you try too many times. |
08:08 |
mircea_popescu |
from the logs, at some random point he just shows up, logs in and fills my buffers. |
08:08 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov right huh. |
08:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146077 @ 0.00040723 = 59.4869 BTC [-] {2} |
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08:28 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48600 @ 0.00041171 = 20.0091 BTC [+] |
08:32 |
funkenstein_ |
https://mrtalented.wordpress.com/ |
08:32 |
assbot |
Mr. Talented | 🇺🇸 America has taught Me that each Human being has 36,000 days to do something extraordinary. In less than 2,000 days, I've independently launched a start-up, wrote a book, obtained celebrity contacts & most importantly reached YOU. Here's my business card: MrTalented.org 30-sec ... ( http://bit.ly/1HgcObW ) |
08:33 |
funkenstein_ |
blogger claims feelings matter, doesn't know travel or whores exist, kills self |
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08:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140122 @ 0.00041511 = 58.166 BTC [+] {2} |
08:39 |
cazalla |
"Everyday people hurt my feelings and its not fair. " lol k |
08:40 |
mircea_popescu |
nuts. |
08:40 |
mircea_popescu |
mr talented is now my an hero. |
08:42 |
cazalla |
damn, he was 0 for 1500 with asian women |
08:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38074 @ 0.00040388 = 15.3773 BTC [-] {2} |
08:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90961 @ 0.00040165 = 36.5345 BTC [-] |
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09:04 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-06-2015#1174018 << he did speak of wanting wife, not whores.. |
09:04 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-06-2015 12:33:27; funkenstein_: blogger claims feelings matter, doesn't know travel or whores exist, kills self |
09:06 |
funkenstein_ |
asciilifform, good point |
09:07 |
funkenstein_ |
despite his inability to adjust strategy, he has 1) identified a common stupidity 2) taken action |
09:08 |
asciilifeform |
wai wut |
09:08 |
funkenstein_ |
i grasp at straws here this morning |
09:09 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/man-wanted-attacks-asian-women-found-hanging-reports-article-1.2267393 << claims - him |
09:09 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1HgkPxJ ) |
09:13 |
funkenstein_ |
Next time, Teach English in Guangzhou |
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09:14 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/wrongly-convicted-inmate-spend-1-weekend-prison-article-1.2248022 << other lulz from same fishwrap |
09:14 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1GpMPuT ) |
09:18 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/police-japan-seize-shoes-sold-upskirt-cameras-article-1.1950476 |
09:18 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1HgmSSn ) |
09:21 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform whores make the only sort of wife worth having tho. |
09:22 |
asciilifeform |
apparently mr elevator did not think so.. |
09:23 |
mircea_popescu |
what did he know. |
09:23 |
* |
asciilifeform tries to find example of similar hanging in the literature, but can only recall the 1890s electromechanical contraption built in new york prison by one fella, for his own (official!) hanging |
09:27 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-06-2015#1174034 << idk if this is still a thing. (who wants to 'marry the u.s. passport' today?) |
09:27 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-06-2015 13:13:53; funkenstein_: Next time, Teach English in Guangzhou |
09:27 |
asciilifeform |
or perhaps he didn't care for ~that~ kind of whore either |
09:28 |
mircea_popescu |
wife not being much of a whore is a little like husband not being much of a soldier. |
09:29 |
asciilifeform |
how's that work |
09:30 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Eulorian |
09:30 |
mircea_popescu |
hello there. |
09:30 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform which part ? |
09:30 |
asciilifeform |
'not much of a whore like not much of a soldier' |
09:31 |
mircea_popescu |
they're both a sort of selflessness. |
09:31 |
mircea_popescu |
selfish people don't marry well. |
09:31 |
Eulorian |
good |
09:31 |
Eulorian |
in spanish please |
09:32 |
mircea_popescu |
habla espanol ? |
09:32 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-06-2015#1173979 << probably time to throw it back into phuctoring gear soon. i was gonna wait for 1M submissions. |
09:32 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-06-2015 11:22:33; mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Oh phuctor passed a million moduli http://nosuchlabs.com/stats << age, cave, tace! |
09:32 |
Eulorian |
si |
09:32 |
asciilifeform |
292336/1298527 presently (sks set, walking backwards from end) |
09:32 |
mircea_popescu |
yo tambien, un poco. |
09:32 |
Eulorian |
entre porque me llamo la atencion un titulo en la web |
09:33 |
mircea_popescu |
aha ? |
09:33 |
Eulorian |
que decia bitcoin y mmorpg |
09:33 |
mircea_popescu |
ah, si, Eulora. |
09:33 |
Eulorian |
pero veo que el juego es para linux o estoy errado |
09:33 |
mircea_popescu |
ay windows tambien. |
09:33 |
mircea_popescu |
http://explo.yt/post/2015/06/05/Eulora-for-Windows < |
09:33 |
assbot |
Eulora 0.1.0 for Windows - serialized delusions ... ( http://bit.ly/1HgqYd8 ) |
09:34 |
Eulorian |
donde puedo entrar porque entre a una web que solo tenia archivos tar.gz |
09:34 |
Eulorian |
que creo q son extensiones linux |
09:34 |
Eulorian |
a bien |
09:34 |
Eulorian |
y popescu quien eres? |
09:34 |
Eulorian |
es tuyo el juego? |
09:34 |
mircea_popescu |
yo ? |
09:35 |
Eulorian |
si |
09:35 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google mircea popescu |
09:35 |
gribble |
Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/>; Romanian Bitcoin baron 'stumps up $20k to keep OpenBSD's lights ...: <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/20/openbsd_bailed_out/>; MPEx - Bitcoin Wiki: <https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/MPEx> |
09:35 |
mircea_popescu |
^ ver aya |
09:35 |
Eulorian |
ok gracias |
09:35 |
mircea_popescu |
np |
09:38 |
kakobrekla |
nemos problemos? |
09:38 |
mircea_popescu |
hahaha nemos. |
09:38 |
mircea_popescu |
dja mean "no mas" = not any more, or do you mean nema, as in, none ? :D |
09:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146018 @ 0.00041443 = 60.5142 BTC [+] {3} |
09:39 |
kakobrekla |
nfi |
09:39 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google Nema Problema |
09:39 |
gribble |
Croatian Phrases - Nema Problema - Croatia Report: <http://www.croatiareport.com/crophrases2.html>; Nema problema (1984) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0180867/>; Nema problema (1984 film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nema_problema_(1984_film)> |
09:39 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, funny how slavic spanish is. i suppose it's due to them both starting with s. |
09:39 |
kakobrekla |
lol |
09:40 |
mircea_popescu |
which is a small amount of con-fusion. |
09:46 |
punkman |
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9771219 "They value "the right technical decision" over human relationships and it doesn't seem to occur to them that the right outcome might be the one that makes someone else happy, or is the most diplomatic, even if it isn't "technically right"." |
09:46 |
assbot |
Ask HN: Do you work with dogmatic, stubborn developers/sysadmins? Are YOU one? | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ni42er ) |
09:46 |
punkman |
maybe if you stopped breaking things they'd like you |
09:47 |
mircea_popescu |
^ |
09:48 |
mircea_popescu |
this reads to me exactly like http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/#selection-101.300-101.317 |
09:48 |
assbot |
The definitive tract on sociopathy on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HguqVk ) |
09:49 |
mircea_popescu |
anyone who values "personal relationships" / "people themselves" / whatever other feel good idiotarianism over "abstract rules" / "technical" / blabla is ipso facto an idiot. |
09:49 |
mircea_popescu |
the entire trade is predicated on "in the contest between what's right and what's pleasant - i pick the pleasant" |
09:50 |
mircea_popescu |
and when the fuck did "hacker" news turn into pink collar support group already. if you don't like working with the people that make the things you like to use, go webcam. |
09:51 |
mircea_popescu |
and complain about how the speed of light is unfair and the camera view should be less made out of straight lines. |
09:54 |
jurov |
yes, for example chetty should stubborny say that eulora codebase stinks and she must redo it completely? |
09:55 |
midnightmagic |
looks like a high-quality HN trollpost |
09:56 |
mats |
usual hn fare... |
09:56 |
jurov |
i got an impression mp reels against something different that the OP |
09:56 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov haha ask chetty sometime how many times this redo completely already happened :D |
09:57 |
midnightmagic |
lol look at his post history. dude's a deliberate troll man |
09:57 |
mircea_popescu |
i think the loot code was rewritten fully about four times. this doesn't count all the times it got partially rewritten. |
09:57 |
mircea_popescu |
midnightmagic you know that theory that past a certain level of stupidity the two are indistinguishable yes ? |
09:59 |
mircea_popescu |
what she means when she says things like " she did not really know this part/the client thing in that much detail" is simply that well... she didn't have to rewrite it three-four times yet |
09:59 |
punkman |
I don't see this deliberate trolling you mention |
09:59 |
midnightmagic |
The other markers of stupidity are absent; his grammar is nearly perfect, and the observations are ironic and deeply philosophical -- *as troll posts*. |
09:59 |
* |
mircea_popescu is too meh over the entire ycombinator kaboodle to go look at hn. |
10:01 |
punkman |
https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/news_information/2015/NSA_Farmers_Market.shtml |
10:01 |
assbot |
2015 News and Information - NSA's Farmers Market ... ( http://bit.ly/1HgwP2i ) |
10:03 |
mircea_popescu |
in other news : http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8k9jflVbH1rcqfsko1_1280.jpg |
10:03 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1HgxqkD ) |
10:03 |
mircea_popescu |
sunglasses in the bath! |
10:04 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman ahaha someone should just replace the pics with pot and stuff, then republish it. |
10:05 |
punkman |
I see your sunglasses and raise you a monkey https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIRBn3qUYAAsoLc.jpg |
10:05 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1HgxTmO ) |
10:07 |
mircea_popescu |
haha what's that on the monkey's shoulder |
10:10 |
midnightmagic |
sunglasses in the bath would work better if there was actual sunlight which made the sunglasses a requirement |
10:12 |
mircea_popescu |
or if there wasn't steam, which is the bane of every glasses wearer. |
10:13 |
punkman |
dude sucks at tying rope too |
10:13 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91014 @ 0.00041185 = 37.4841 BTC [-] |
10:15 |
mircea_popescu |
finally, smoking in a steamy room also sucks. both because wet tobacco and because the steam-smoke mixture is like... ew. |
10:16 |
mircea_popescu |
basically, he is very bad at everything he attempts, and attempts a lot of things at the same time. |
10:16 |
mircea_popescu |
he should be a web developer. |
10:16 |
punkman |
probably is |
10:16 |
mircea_popescu |
looks more like an internet marketard to me. |
10:17 |
punkman |
same thing, no? |
10:17 |
mircea_popescu |
shit. |
10:31 |
punkman |
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/24/russian-troll-factory-sued-underpayment-labour-violations-vladimir-putin |
10:31 |
assbot |
Russian 'troll factory' sued for underpayment and labour violations | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1HgEPQO ) |
10:34 |
mircea_popescu |
oic. shame on them for hiring locally. there are some washington "civil servants" married to "entrepreneurs" that'd eagerly sell russia on the same process gavincoin used! |
10:35 |
mircea_popescu |
worked so well, too. and it wasn't even too expensive! |
10:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 173210 @ 0.00040944 = 70.9191 BTC [-] {3} |
10:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 165000 @ 0.00041609 = 68.6549 BTC [+] {2} |
10:44 |
jurov |
that would require more middlemen, with money leaking out at every step |
10:45 |
mircea_popescu |
heh. |
10:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116150 @ 0.00040347 = 46.863 BTC [-] {2} |
10:47 |
jurov |
joint american/russian embezzlement force.. now that's something to behold |
10:48 |
jurov |
!mpif |
10:48 |
assbot |
BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021444 B (Total: 426.05 B). Delta: 0.09 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+] |
10:53 |
jurov |
;;calc 0.0002144/1.05 |
10:53 |
gribble |
0.00020419047619 |
10:53 |
jurov |
;;calc 0.0002144/1.01 |
10:53 |
gribble |
0.000212277227723 |
10:53 |
jurov |
;;calc 0.0002144*1.01 |
10:53 |
gribble |
0.000216544 |
10:55 |
jurov |
;;calc 0.0002144*1.05 |
10:55 |
gribble |
0.00022512 |
11:10 |
punkman |
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIQhLaxWsAAkwoq.jpg |
11:10 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1TNfqnc ) |
11:12 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99900 @ 0.00040165 = 40.1248 BTC [-] |
11:13 |
shinohai |
When you forget to hire a proofreader .... |
11:14 |
jurov |
more like proofthinker |
11:14 |
punkman |
http://rt.com/news/269314-anti-russian-propaganda-netherlands/ |
11:14 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1TNfval ) |
11:18 |
thestringpuller |
https://xkcd.com/1270/ |
11:20 |
jurov |
pedophile lobby spreading anti russian propaganda, news at 11 |
11:24 |
mircea_popescu |
not terribly inaccurate a drawing, either. |
11:27 |
kakobrekla |
https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10358559_10153439794977372_1199518205687241080_n.jpg?oh=29b7b6afd2418d30e96a3bc4be7b211b&oe=562E871B |
11:27 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1TNfNhw ) |
11:33 |
thestringpuller |
mircea_popescu: re redditards doing math part 2 >> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ay0j6/block_size_userbase_size_1_mb_275000_users/ |
11:35 |
mircea_popescu |
they're welcome to it. |
11:37 |
pete_dushenski |
asciilifeform: re http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169689 any suggestions for 'starter' isolation transformers ? |
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11:37 |
assbot |
Logged on 20-06-2015 18:17:10; asciilifeform: (yet another reason to run on a double-converter 'ups' or at least an isolator transformer!) |
11:37 |
pete_dushenski |
i can't tell them apart and some are $100, some $300 |
11:37 |
lobbes |
'Also in order to have all 7 billion people use the blockchain directly' << hehe good one |
11:37 |
pete_dushenski |
and the double-converters ups are all $1k+ !!1 |
11:39 |
mircea_popescu |
lotta metal in em |
11:39 |
pete_dushenski |
asciilifeform: and any thoughts on mitigating this concern http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169693 are also welcome |
11:39 |
assbot |
Logged on 20-06-2015 18:18:35; asciilifeform: did i write here re: how a keyboard (esp. a decent 1980s 'ps/2' one) can be 'heard' from across the street ? |
11:39 |
pete_dushenski |
assuming 'model m' falls into the aforementioned camp |
11:40 |
kakobrekla |
it does |
11:40 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: no doubt they're worth it |
11:40 |
mircea_popescu |
we had some arguments re kbds, came to not much. |
11:40 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: but seems like overkill for home desktop |
11:41 |
mircea_popescu |
tho i suspect the cheapo plastic bump kbds are a little quieter than the model ms |
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11:41 |
pete_dushenski |
audibly quieter, perhaps not electromagnetically ? |
11:42 |
kakobrekla |
neg |
11:42 |
mircea_popescu |
i meant the latter. |
11:42 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla oh, not at all ? |
11:42 |
mircea_popescu |
a well, there goes the irony. |
11:43 |
kakobrekla |
no, the usb is quiet(er) |
11:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91600 @ 0.00040165 = 36.7911 BTC [-] |
11:43 |
mircea_popescu |
than ps2 ? lower voltage ? |
11:45 |
kakobrekla |
pete_dushenski https://www.blackhat.com/presentations/bh-usa-09/BARISANI/BHUSA09-Barisani-Keystrokes-SLIDES.pdf |
11:45 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1TNg7gb ) |
11:45 |
pete_dushenski |
kakobrekla: cheers |
11:49 |
kakobrekla |
perhaps a ps2 isolatior or batter powered kboard |
11:49 |
kakobrekla |
battery |
11:49 |
pete_dushenski |
what about effect of basic ps2-usb converter ? |
11:50 |
pete_dushenski |
kakobrekla: or is that what you mean by 'ps2 isolator' ? |
11:51 |
kakobrekla |
if its made properly it should be good afaik but dont take my word for it |
11:51 |
scoopbot_revived |
Ok, so what is Eulora disrupting ? http://trilema.com/2015/ok-so-what-is-eulora-disrupting/ |
11:52 |
mircea_popescu |
i doubt battery powered antenna is any weaker than mains powered antenna |
11:52 |
pete_dushenski |
^heh i was thinking about this eulora question, time to test my answers against the back page ! |
11:52 |
kakobrekla |
pete_dushenski the leak is happening via gnd, so if gnd is directly connected to usb gnd, i think the leak continiues |
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11:52 |
mircea_popescu |
pete_dushenski haha jit. |
11:53 |
pete_dushenski |
kakobrekla: right.. |
11:53 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: lol the window was probably a few weeks. tops. |
11:54 |
kakobrekla |
i havent tried but it not impossible a different cable would fix this |
11:55 |
kakobrekla |
at least to a some degree |
11:55 |
kakobrekla |
dunno, not the expert. |
11:55 |
pete_dushenski |
kakobrekla: nor am i, i appreciate the input. |
11:55 |
pete_dushenski |
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Hammond-Isolation-Transformer-171F-110V/111690504230?_trksid=p2050601.c100085.m2372&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140211132617%26meid%3Dd0028792a72c431aaa20fa7e8b9c16fb%26pid%3D100085%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D271849441378%26clkid%3D7089658866830618468&_qi=RTM2067268 << made in canuckistan |
11:56 |
assbot |
Hammond Isolation Transformer 171F 110V | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1TNgmrA ) |
11:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85518 @ 0.00041396 = 35.401 BTC [+] |
11:58 |
kakobrekla |
pete_dushenski just wait for ascii to piss on my suggestions. |
11:59 |
pete_dushenski |
such is the risk of conversing where experts can see you. |
11:59 |
pete_dushenski |
i'm sure he'll take a megaton dump on that little canadian ebay toy |
12:05 |
pete_dushenski |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-06-2015#1173976 << look like the result of one of those souvenir penny-pressing machines at zoos, museums, etc. |
12:05 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-06-2015 11:11:14; cazalla: BingoBoingo, looks like they finally had the coins made one of your articles mentiond a few months back http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11694838/Islamic-State-mints-its-own-Islamic-Dinar-coins.html |
12:06 |
pete_dushenski |
eg http://www.pennymachinesusa.com/Products.html |
12:06 |
assbot |
Penny Machines USA Products ... ( http://bit.ly/1TNgCqv ) |
12:06 |
pete_dushenski |
lulzy thing is that these machines still exist in canada even though 'penny' was phased out last year |
12:06 |
pete_dushenski |
because inflation ! |
12:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 179400 @ 0.00040162 = 72.0506 BTC [-] {2} |
12:11 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: 'And this is what I cal disruptive.' << |
12:11 |
pete_dushenski |
!up ascii_field |
12:13 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-06-2015#1174168 << i had a 'Sola EPC 210-60.' then replaced with gigantic doublecoverter ups, 'liebert' |
12:13 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-06-2015 15:37:13; pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: re http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169689 any suggestions for 'starter' isolation transformers ? |
12:13 |
pete_dushenski |
eg http://www.ebay.ca/itm/SOLA-EPC-210-60-ELECTRONIC-POWER-CONDITIONER-120V-AC-1000VA-B463951-/291262820966?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43d09df266 |
12:13 |
assbot |
Sola EPC 210 60 Electronic Power Conditioner 120V AC 1000VA B463951 | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1dgs2l6 ) |
12:13 |
ascii_field |
if getting the latter, find a secondhand unit with missing or rotten battery, replace by yourself (100 to 200 usd, assemble the pack manually) |
12:14 |
ascii_field |
^ it |
12:14 |
pete_dushenski |
ascii_field: thoughts on the 'hammond' unit linked above ? |
12:15 |
pete_dushenski |
that sola's $155 just to ship :( |
12:15 |
jurov |
well... sure it does not have blown output? can it be returned if so? |
12:15 |
ascii_field |
pete_dushenski: the hammond thing looks like just isolator, not stabilizer |
12:15 |
ascii_field |
(no gigantic caps) |
12:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00041396 = 9.8316 BTC [+] |
12:15 |
ascii_field |
why did you want this again ? |
12:16 |
pete_dushenski |
so that meta-lisard-nsa doesn't read my keystrokes through the mains ? |
12:16 |
ascii_field |
pete_dushenski: they're reading them from black van, cheaper atm |
12:16 |
jurov |
(i have replaced battery in my cheapo ups, tested it with 40W bulb... in shock watched the visible jitter, and it put out ~160V instead of 220) |
12:16 |
ascii_field |
^ l0l |
12:17 |
pete_dushenski |
ascii_field: and what about tmrw, when this moment has come and gone ? |
12:18 |
* |
pete_dushenski wants to plan ahead, prepare for future, build warchest. |
12:19 |
* |
ascii_field always thought 'warchest' meant gigantic bag of money (or, at least, ammo) |
12:19 |
pete_dushenski |
that's 'treasurechest' |
12:20 |
pete_dushenski |
and it's for one-eyed pirates with x-marked maps |
12:27 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-06-2015#1174181 << they aren't. |
12:27 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-06-2015 15:41:10; mircea_popescu: tho i suspect the cheapo plastic bump kbds are a little quieter than the model ms |
12:27 |
ascii_field |
it's the scan matrix that is 'heard' |
12:27 |
ascii_field |
100% same in all pc keyboards. |
12:29 |
punkman |
how would you mitigate that? |
12:30 |
ascii_field |
punkman: there is no 'off the shelf' consumer appliance that will do a lick of good here. |
12:30 |
ascii_field |
you could make own keyboard using fiber strain gauges, for instance. |
12:30 |
punkman |
that sounds like a pita |
12:31 |
ascii_field |
if want 'not pita' - surrender now. |
12:31 |
ascii_field |
surrender is the ultimate 'user friendly' (2nd only to death) |
12:32 |
BingoBoingo |
Muh Oppression as a 'Dukes of Hazard' fan |
12:32 |
BingoBoingo |
White Fandom matters |
12:33 |
ascii_field |
wai wat |
12:34 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-06-2015#1174201 << in the linked article, yes. in old thread of mine, i was describing conventional radio leak |
12:34 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-06-2015 15:52:32; kakobrekla: pete_dushenski the leak is happening via gnd, so if gnd is directly connected to usb gnd, i think the leak continiues |
12:35 |
ascii_field |
(linked article also describes optical snooping using mechanical vibration & reflections of sunlight etc) |
12:35 |
ascii_field |
i will describe what is probably the cheapest way to make a 'stealth keyboard' . but no one will like it. |
12:36 |
kakobrekla |
rf from ps2 cable ? |
12:36 |
pete_dushenski |
laser keyboard ! |
12:36 |
ascii_field |
no |
12:36 |
ascii_field |
no |
12:36 |
kakobrekla |
rf from switches |
12:36 |
kakobrekla |
aite |
12:36 |
ascii_field |
kakobrekla: from scan grid |
12:37 |
ascii_field |
so, consider a kaleidoscope. copper barrel, like victorian telescopes etc. eyepiece - glass, indium oxide (scavenge from old lcd; electrically conductive) |
12:37 |
ascii_field |
inside - led matrix 8x8, non-scanned, displays one letter. |
12:38 |
ascii_field |
device picks where in alphabet to start - at random (trng) |
12:38 |
pete_dushenski |
https://www.flickr.com/photos/usnationalarchives/sets/72157653877789929/page1 << coupla boys havin a gay ol' time |
12:38 |
assbot |
Vice President Cheney with President George W. Bush, Part 2 | Flickr - Photo Sharing! ... ( http://bit.ly/1fBvoAW ) |
12:38 |
ascii_field |
user peers in eyepiece, turns wheel |
12:38 |
mircea_popescu |
why not just have an array of em |
12:38 |
ascii_field |
when correct letter appears, presses it. |
12:38 |
mircea_popescu |
and just press the one you like |
12:38 |
ascii_field |
it is important that nothing can be determined by looking at user! |
12:38 |
ascii_field |
from outside |
12:38 |
ascii_field |
because you do not know where in the alphabet it began, each time. |
12:38 |
mircea_popescu |
how about getting a picture of a whole keyboard rather than a key then |
12:39 |
ascii_field |
what's the point of having so many pixels |
12:39 |
mircea_popescu |
so they're enough for everyone |
12:39 |
ascii_field |
8x8 non-scanned is practical. beyond that (e.g. graphical lcd) you now have a scanning matrix! |
12:39 |
ascii_field |
these are rf-noisy. |
12:39 |
ascii_field |
and hardly fit in telescope. |
12:40 |
ascii_field |
brass captain's telescope. |
12:40 |
kakobrekla |
im sure they will come, but would be funny if they will come with the unlikely usb sniffer instead of ps2 while the gang makes noise on ps2. sorta what happened in bosnia > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_F-117A_shootdown |
12:40 |
assbot |
1999 F-117A shootdown - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1dgv9tf ) |
12:40 |
* |
ascii_field ~did warn~ that no one will like this keyboard. |
12:40 |
ascii_field |
but it is 'secure' |
12:40 |
ascii_field |
! |
12:43 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla the part where the serbs were breaking nato codes is never given much airplay. |
12:43 |
asciilifeform |
!up ascii_field |
12:43 |
ascii_field |
it also would be logical for whatever consumes the sooper s33kr17 text string (e.g., salted password hasher) to actually live in that brass tube. |
12:44 |
kakobrekla |
mircea_popescu true, id say its more likely nato self leak, but anyway, the radar thing is quite lulzy |
12:45 |
ascii_field |
phun phakt: detecting 'stealth' airplane is easier today than ever |
12:45 |
ascii_field |
because of the cell tower shadow it creates |
12:47 |
mircea_popescu |
"stealth plane" is a dead idea. |
12:48 |
ascii_field |
still works great for original purpose for which was built (siphon of usg budget to good ol'boys, what did you think it was) |
12:48 |
BingoBoingo |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-06-2015#1173963 << Muh culture is being oppressed! |
12:48 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-06-2015 08:31:34; cazalla: looks like google has shitcanned confederate flags https://www.google.com.au/webhp?&gfe_rd=cr&ei=rGqKVbPaEcf98wedmIHwDg#q=confederate+flag&tbm=shop |
12:49 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field a magical toothpick works just as well for that purpose. |
12:49 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: http://skepdic.com/quadro.html << it |
12:49 |
assbot |
Quadro QRS 250G Detector - the Quadro Tracker - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1dgwf8v ) |
12:50 |
ascii_field |
(magic toothpick, approximately) |
12:50 |
ascii_field |
state of the art re: minimality, short of plain old $trillion-in-paper-cash-'missing'-in-iraq sort of siphon |
12:51 |
mircea_popescu |
pretty good. |
12:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00040827 = 6.0424 BTC [-] |
12:55 |
williamdunne |
For those that still use Twitter |
12:55 |
williamdunne |
https://twitter.com/scoopbotrevived |
12:55 |
assbot |
Scoopbot The Third (@ScoopbotRevived) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1dgwYX6 ) |
12:55 |
williamdunne |
Will publish anything that he posts here on twitter also |
13:03 |
scoopbot_revived |
ISIS About to Introduce Altcoin into Circulation http://qntra.net/2015/06/isis-about-to-introduce-altcoin-into-circulation/ |
13:04 |
mircea_popescu |
loller |
13:08 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo i don't get this distinction you propose. so "unlike the cryptocurrency Bitcoin, Gold seized immediately preserves its full exchange value.", what's this mean, that people paid less for faux Bitcoin the USMS was pretending to be selling than for faux Bitcoin pirate was pretending to be going to pay them ? |
13:08 |
mircea_popescu |
no such thing. |
13:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127750 @ 0.00040827 = 52.1565 BTC [-] |
13:10 |
BingoBoingo |
It means that if you seize some bitcoin and send it immediately to herpity derp service they might turp their way into "returning it" out of some misguided notion of ownership. Gotta at least use a solid mixer like BitBet |
13:11 |
mats |
this is not comprehensible |
13:11 |
ascii_field |
^ |
13:12 |
BingoBoingo |
See http://qntra.net/2015/06/coinjar-coo-ryan-zhou-caught-impersonating-dice-sites-developer/ where BTC-E "returned" coins a dice site gave away |
13:12 |
assbot |
CoinJar COO Ryan Zhou Caught Impersonating Dice Site's Developer | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1dgz4Gt ) |
13:12 |
BingoBoingo |
It isn't an actual property of Bitcoins. It is a failing of the social structuring of the stupid. |
13:13 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo it makes no sense at all. |
13:13 |
BingoBoingo |
Mebbe I need to think about this moar |
13:13 |
mircea_popescu |
someone could steal your gold after you sent it just as well, what's that to do with the gold ? |
13:13 |
mircea_popescu |
most of the gold the spanish sent to spain ended up in london. |
13:14 |
* |
BingoBoingo rereads original ISIS article |
13:14 |
mircea_popescu |
!up ascii_field |
13:16 |
BingoBoingo |
Ah, I was refering to the need to get the keys or the coins, as in you can't take a laptop "full of Bitcoin" and have seized the coins: "Bitcoin on the other hand demands not only mere physical possession, but actual control of a set of keys necessary to transfer value. While gold is vulnerable to a simple change of possession, Bitcoin requires a more difficult but possible intellectual change of possession." |
13:16 |
BingoBoingo |
ANd in there is a link to http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1061 |
13:16 |
assbot |
Loper OS » Practical Cryptoanalysis of Elliptic Curve DSA. ... ( http://bit.ly/1dgzFIl ) |
13:17 |
mircea_popescu |
do you basically mean that bitcoin can not be held without tools, whereas gold can, or at least to a higher degree ? |
13:17 |
mircea_popescu |
this is a very different thing. |
13:18 |
ascii_field |
pretty easy to 'hold without tools' |
13:18 |
ascii_field |
brainwallet. |
13:25 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah, but there's a minimum brain size required. |
13:25 |
mircea_popescu |
there isn't a minimum hand size required by gold. |
13:25 |
ascii_field |
on the contrary |
13:25 |
ascii_field |
gold needs bigger fist than anyone has. |
13:25 |
ascii_field |
(to hold with same tightness as btc) |
13:25 |
mircea_popescu |
this is true. nevertheless, bitcoin is very elitist by its nature, which flows from this. |
13:26 |
mircea_popescu |
ie, it enforces a "must be this tall to ride" limit rather than allowing people to delude themselves about it |
13:26 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-06-2015#1159370 |
13:26 |
assbot |
Logged on 10-06-2015 17:00:45; ascii_field: it is the ultimate 'iq test' |
13:28 |
ascii_field |
speaking of 'brainwallet', mircea_popescu's picture of usg prison where 'lifetime pension' is probably not long for this world. |
13:28 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> do you basically mean that bitcoin can not be held without tools, whereas gold can, or at least to a higher degree ? << At the time more physical possession of gold is different from possession of bitcoin |
13:28 |
ascii_field |
it will be replaced - question of ~when~, not ~if~ - by something like an oubliette with a vending machine |
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13:28 |
ascii_field |
a meal costs, say, 5-10btc |
13:29 |
mircea_popescu |
hahaha good luck with that. |
13:30 |
ascii_field |
it won't be for ~every~ schmuck |
13:30 |
ascii_field |
just for the ones 'too kewl for school' |
13:30 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't buy from paypal, you expect me to trade with your vending machine ? wtf is this, "free market the way we like it" ? |
13:31 |
ascii_field |
machine will be marked 'mean - 5btc. skipped arse dilation session - 10.' |
13:31 |
ascii_field |
or somethinglikethat |
13:31 |
mircea_popescu |
for the record, that system already exists, for wall street pencildicks. |
13:31 |
ascii_field |
yeah but this'll be 100% automated |
13:31 |
ascii_field |
no need for fallible human torturer |
13:31 |
mircea_popescu |
about half the people currently working there have this episode in their life, "give us all your money and we'll agree to not let you work for x years" |
13:31 |
mircea_popescu |
it's pretty automated as it is. look through wall street "prosecutions" sometime. |
13:32 |
mircea_popescu |
the reason there's nothing left there but crooks is precisely that the onl;y deal available is "i try to steal as much as i can, if you catch me you get it and i take a vacation" |
13:32 |
ascii_field |
today 'vacation', tomorrow - esp. if they suspect you haven't in fact given 'it all' - the vending machine. |
13:32 |
ascii_field |
this is what being a prisoner ~means~ - you are a plaything for someone else's amusement |
13:33 |
ascii_field |
to use in laboratory for experiments, if they like. |
13:34 |
mircea_popescu |
heh. you have a very idealized view of marriage. |
13:34 |
mircea_popescu |
never works that way in practice. |
13:35 |
ascii_field |
worked great in cn (jp jailers experimenting with 'what internal organs does this fella ~really~ need' etc) |
13:35 |
ascii_field |
and in germany |
13:36 |
ascii_field |
'vending machine' is inevitable because, unlike torquemada's chambers, it ~can be built by 'pencil dicks'~ |
13:37 |
ascii_field |
like washing machine. throw schmuck in, get btc out, eventually remove dessicated corpse, rinse, repeat. |
13:38 |
ascii_field |
everybody stands a risk of being taken alive, and ought to be prepared mentally for this device. |
13:40 |
mats |
voluntold organ harvesting is still an ongoing thing in cn |
13:41 |
ascii_field |
mats: works great with above setup. optionally jailer doesn't wait for you to starve, a few wks without any signal from vending machine & you go to the harversing table (wide awake naturally) |
13:41 |
ascii_field |
*harvesting |
13:42 |
mats |
makes a lot of economic sense. why waste good meat. |
13:42 |
ascii_field |
aha |
13:42 |
ascii_field |
but in the future, death in captivity will be mainly about being 'helped to remember' brainwallets. |
13:43 |
ascii_field |
and only secondarily about meat |
13:46 |
asciilifeform |
!up ascii_field |
13:47 |
ascii_field |
for famous (or otherwise 'ransomable') folks, machine will have an externally-advertised btc addr |
13:47 |
ascii_field |
perhaps painted on outside wall of the jail |
13:48 |
mats |
lol |
13:48 |
chetty |
ascii_field should write sci-fi |
13:49 |
ascii_field |
nah, hanbot ought to write this one |
13:49 |
ascii_field |
prequel to 'shall be delivered' perhaps |
13:50 |
ascii_field |
i don't have a prayer of doing half as good a job as hanbot on this one. |
13:50 |
mats |
'donate 4btc to 1Alf153X to rotate asciilifeform's cell over shark pit' |
13:50 |
mats |
'5btc for quadrant with dogs' |
13:50 |
ascii_field |
'2btc for snakepit' |
13:51 |
ascii_field |
^ this'll be for candidates for 'national 5 minute hate' |
13:51 |
ascii_field |
infamous 't3rr0r1st4s' etc |
13:51 |
mircea_popescu |
voluntold lol |
13:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 417693 @ 0.00040776 = 170.3185 BTC [-] {5} |
13:52 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, nothing scifi here, it's more like emofi |
13:52 |
mircea_popescu |
clarke wrote scifi. orwell wrote emofi. not the same thing at all. |
13:53 |
ascii_field |
it's like orwell's 'telescreen' thing. inevitable tech |
13:53 |
ascii_field |
was well-obvious even then. |
13:53 |
thestringpuller |
didn't tv's exist in 1948? |
13:53 |
ascii_field |
aha |
13:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00040157 = 14.0148 BTC [-] |
13:55 |
ascii_field |
incidentally, usg - like the regime portrayed by orwell - spends $maxint on attempts to 'read minds'. not always even laughably stupid - the mri 'has seen this object or not before' trick appears to actually work |
13:55 |
ascii_field |
and could, in combination with something like the letter wheel described earlier, 'help remember wallet' |
13:57 |
ascii_field |
(and before someone chimes in with 'so don't use brainwallet' - ~every~ wallet that you can get to, but mr schmuck can't, because you know where you buried it, etc. is in fact a 'brainwallet') |
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14:02 |
ascii_field |
i'd much like to hear a persuasive argument re: why all of the above won't happen. |
14:04 |
mats |
my memory palace is dark and full of terrors |
14:15 |
ascii_field |
ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: can anyone recall why http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20141218/bitcoin-v0_5_3-rm_checkpoints_41327b9a962e6d27869f4d361d742ab5c7061ede.5.patch didn't make it in ? |
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14:15 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1GyQq8Z ) |
14:16 |
punkman |
because it blows up trying to verify all transactions |
14:16 |
ascii_field |
if it doesn't verify, it didn't happen in bitcoin ? |
14:16 |
ascii_field |
does the ~genuine~, honest blockchain actually contain blocks that never verified ? |
14:17 |
ascii_field |
(how?!) |
14:17 |
punkman |
they verified at some combination of bitcoind and openssl |
14:17 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91944 @ 0.00041442 = 38.1034 BTC [+] {2} |
14:19 |
jurov |
!up ascii_field |
14:21 |
ascii_field |
http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/0.5.3-todos << probably ought to be either updated or tossed ? |
14:21 |
assbot |
0.5.3-todos [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6TYAO ) |
14:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142985 @ 0.00040156 = 57.4171 BTC [-] {3} |
14:31 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 190400 @ 0.00041989 = 79.9471 BTC [+] {2} |
14:31 |
mod6 |
ascii_field: re: checkpoints: the patch worked fine to remove checkpoints, but it was tabled for the time being. the main discussion around this was that it could be helpful to hvae checkpoints in there to prevent spamming of blocks from timestamps before a checkpoint. |
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14:32 |
mod6 |
at a later time when we have everything setup for a checkpoint configuration file, then we can revisit. |
14:32 |
ascii_field |
i'm all for having them in there minus the 'skip checks prior to checkpoints' thing |
14:33 |
ascii_field |
skipping sig verifications ever, for any reason, is braindamaged |
14:36 |
mod6 |
wher is this now? |
14:37 |
ascii_field |
mod6: the original (in there now) checkpoint code |
14:37 |
mod6 |
the part you're talking about is in main.cpp right? |
14:38 |
ascii_field |
http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#0936 |
14:38 |
assbot |
Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1GyS0Ie ) |
14:39 |
mats |
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/white-americans-are-biggest-terror-threat-u-s-study-n380931 |
14:39 |
assbot |
White Americans Are Biggest Terror Threat in U.S.: Study - NBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1GyS4aS ) |
14:39 |
punkman |
http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#0936 << when I removed the IFs there it blew up before block 150k, wonder if it works for anyone else |
14:44 |
mod6 |
ascii_field: so you're saying you'd like to just git rid of line 939? |
14:45 |
ascii_field |
aha |
14:45 |
ben_vulpes |
where does fblock get set? |
14:45 |
mod6 |
where it's called |
14:45 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-02-2015#1005892 |
14:45 |
assbot |
Logged on 04-02-2015 04:26:05; asciilifeform: is the only place where fBlock is true |
14:45 |
mod6 |
check out line 435 |
14:46 |
mod6 |
yeah, line 1099 sets it to true. |
14:46 |
ben_vulpes |
hyu |
14:47 |
ben_vulpes |
what happens if the blockchain contains invalid blocks? |
14:47 |
ben_vulpes |
coffins for everyone involved with checkpoints? |
14:47 |
ben_vulpes |
not that they're not zombies already, but... |
14:47 |
ascii_field |
they already earned the coffins |
14:47 |
ben_vulpes |
my point is that they're still walking. |
14:48 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130100 @ 0.00039889 = 51.8956 BTC [-] {3} |
14:48 |
ascii_field |
at the very least i want to know ~why~ invalid block made it into the chain |
14:49 |
ascii_field |
and cui bono |
14:49 |
ascii_field |
and whether it is actually cryptographically invalid, or only protocol-invalid |
14:50 |
ascii_field |
(i.e. invalid on account of a field that can be corrected today without changing validity of signature) |
14:50 |
thestringpuller |
!up ascii_field |
14:52 |
ascii_field |
iirc this got lost in the noise of the great wedge thing at the time |
14:52 |
ascii_field |
and was forgotten when bdb locks patch discovered |
15:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 369950 @ 0.00041903 = 155.0201 BTC [+] {5} |
15:04 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 153350 @ 0.00042356 = 64.9529 BTC [+] {2} |
15:06 |
mod6 |
So anyway, we'll have to remember this when we revist the Checkpoints issue. My patch will be rejected then, and we'll come up with something that gets rid of line 939 as well as pulling the checkpoints themselves out of checkpoints.cpp and into a separate config file. |
15:17 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 236211 @ 0.00039808 = 94.0309 BTC [-] {2} |
15:22 |
mod6 |
!up ascii_field |
15:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 169700 @ 0.00039689 = 67.3522 BTC [-] {2} |
15:35 |
Naphex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-7xfBrjSA0 |
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15:35 |
assbot |
Bananas, Sardines and Sharks - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CtGBZl ) |
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~ 37 minutes ~ |
16:12 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 173300 @ 0.00041641 = 72.1639 BTC [+] |
16:15 |
trinque |
http://www.wsj.com/articles/nato-ramps-up-response-to-russia-1435174136 << "Breedlove" ... life imitates art? |
16:15 |
assbot |
NATO Ramps Up Response to Russia - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1LozQiB ) |
16:20 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122100 @ 0.00041673 = 50.8827 BTC [+] {2} |
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~ 22 minutes ~ |
16:42 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony http://blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?368748-New-Blender-Foundation-Transparency-Blog&p=2892541&highlight=#post2892541 |
16:42 |
assbot |
New Blender Foundation Transparency Blog - Page 16 ... ( http://bit.ly/1LoDZDq ) |
16:42 |
mircea_popescu |
should be interesting. |
16:46 |
fluffypony |
oh good |
16:47 |
jurov |
lol |
16:47 |
jurov |
on slightly related note, we hatched with thestringpuller a scheme for poor USians to take hold of X.EUR |
16:47 |
jurov |
when it works, we'll let you know |
16:48 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44991 @ 0.00039617 = 17.8241 BTC [-] {3} |
16:48 |
jurov |
(or you can inquire within if impatient) |
16:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92200 @ 0.00041363 = 38.1367 BTC [+] |
16:52 |
mircea_popescu |
i think that's gonna be the bitcoin thing - we're here to surprise you. |
16:53 |
mircea_popescu |
re rm_checkpoints, iirc mod6 has it. |
16:54 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes> coffins for everyone involved with checkpoints? << this is necessarily true. bitcoin hardforked once. |
16:57 |
asciilifeform |
!up ascii_field |
16:57 |
thestringpuller |
secret hardfork? |
16:57 |
nubbins` |
is testnet still forked? |
16:57 |
mircea_popescu |
nothing secret about it, satoshi did it. |
16:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95755 @ 0.000396 = 37.919 BTC [-] {2} |
16:59 |
ascii_field |
btw any reason not to amputate 'testnet' ? |
16:59 |
nubbins` |
nah |
17:00 |
nubbins` |
with no wallet, what's the worst you'd do to it? |
17:00 |
nubbins` |
relay a tx? |
17:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23317 @ 0.00039559 = 9.224 BTC [-] |
17:00 |
mircea_popescu |
the mystery of meat : http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7nmzvFXMC1rvaz2uo1_1280.jpg slut in seethrough outfit looks better than naked. |
17:00 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1LoHeKX ) |
17:01 |
ascii_field |
nubbins`: in point of fact, therealbitcoin includes wallet |
17:01 |
mircea_popescu |
ascii_field iirc the agreement was that it can go, as it serves no useful purpose nor has for a long time - but not a priority. we're atm working on getting the priorities in AND RUNNING |
17:01 |
nubbins` |
ascii_field don't mind me 8) |
17:01 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: no argument |
17:02 |
ascii_field |
mircea_popescu: other than the observation that shorter -> simpler -> everything is slightly less retarded and easier to make sense of |
17:02 |
mircea_popescu |
the and running part includes incontrovertibly a step where a page exists online that is substantially identical to http://www.eulorum.org/Installing_Eulora#Ubuntu |
17:02 |
assbot |
Installing Eulora - Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1LoHwRZ ) |
17:02 |
mircea_popescu |
the "navigate to /bitcoin" pointers y compris. |
17:02 |
mircea_popescu |
jam - tomorrow. today, this. |
17:04 |
thestringpuller |
it will be interesting the posts on reddit when you kill gavincoin just like doge mircea_popescu |
17:04 |
thestringpuller |
i wonder if they'll call you a tyrant |
17:05 |
punkman |
mircea_popescu: re:blender, why send paypal instead of btc (or even a wire)? |
17:05 |
mircea_popescu |
i've been a girl before. |
17:05 |
nubbins` |
hm |
17:05 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman because a) when i first asked, their idea was "buy a mug" ; b) the link i finally fished out did not include any reference either i or fluffypony found (see it in logs) - they have A DIFFERENT unlinked page for this purpose |
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17:05 |
nubbins` |
thought it was the other way around |
17:06 |
mircea_popescu |
and c) wire for 50 euro seems iffy, to me. |
17:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 432300 @ 0.00039423 = 170.4256 BTC [-] {5} |
17:06 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` s/girl/called a girl/ mr nubbins bedalins! |
17:06 |
nubbins` |
nubbins bedalins, is that like amelia bedelia? |
17:07 |
mircea_popescu |
aye |
17:07 |
thestringpuller |
they are pushing the blender cloud service pretty hard these days |
17:07 |
punkman |
what's the cloud service for, rendering? |
17:07 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah. makes a lot of sense, from what i've seen. |
17:08 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway - this is what the vanishing 1% intelligent gpu bitcoin miners did with their rigs. |
17:08 |
thestringpuller |
punkman: no it's like MSDN but for blender revolging around an open source movie |
17:08 |
nubbins` |
http://i.imgur.com/bmMPEbw.png |
17:08 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1LoIXA4 ) |
17:09 |
punkman |
thestringpuller: dafuq |
17:09 |
nubbins` |
it's like adobe CC but for blender? |
17:09 |
mircea_popescu |
thestringpuller wut ? |
17:09 |
thestringpuller |
Blender Cloud is a high quality web service in which we share all data of our previous films, all our training videos and files, and a continuous stream of data from the Gooseberry project. |
17:09 |
thestringpuller |
Blender Cloud subscribers can watch the creation progress closely, share this with others, learn from it, and even contribute back to it. |
17:09 |
punkman |
derp |
17:10 |
mircea_popescu |
gah |
17:10 |
trinque |
it's like... facebook, but for blender users, y'see |
17:10 |
mircea_popescu |
im pretty sure i saw rendering prices etc. |
17:10 |
nubbins` |
o |
17:10 |
nubbins` |
so it's like dvd extras |
17:10 |
nubbins` |
cool, where'd i put my money |
17:10 |
nubbins` |
;/ |
17:11 |
mircea_popescu |
https://render.st/ |
17:11 |
assbot |
Blender & V-Ray rendering on a fast Render Farm - Render Street ... ( http://bit.ly/1GIFMQc ) |
17:11 |
mircea_popescu |
apparently that was unrelated. |
17:11 |
mircea_popescu |
dude... |
17:15 |
cazalla |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-06-2015#1174461 <<< bananas cheap? they were around $15/kg a few years ago down under (on account of storms destroying the banana growing regions and the fact bananas cannot be imported into australia) |
17:15 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-06-2015 19:35:01; Naphex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-7xfBrjSA0 |
17:15 |
mircea_popescu |
o.O ?! |
17:15 |
mircea_popescu |
dude bananas are like 1 dollar / kg worldwide. |
17:17 |
cazalla |
about $2.99/kg atm but every few years the storms destroy the plantations and up the price goes |
17:18 |
cazalla |
that is for cavendish, lady fingers are around $7.50-$10/kg |
17:18 |
williamdunne |
mircea_popescu: What is the drink you have in your blender picture? |
17:19 |
mircea_popescu |
ugh |
17:19 |
mircea_popescu |
that is actually a mexican sundae. except with cognac. |
17:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98200 @ 0.00041306 = 40.5625 BTC [+] |
17:22 |
williamdunne |
That sounds pretty nice |
17:23 |
nubbins` |
"My boss wouldn't accept Bitcoin. I have since quit my job" |
17:23 |
williamdunne |
On that note: |
17:23 |
williamdunne |
bitcoin-logo-plainBitcoin |
17:23 |
williamdunne |
Blender Foundation can receive Bitcoin donations made using the following address: |
17:23 |
williamdunne |
17orEh51ab8HoU7g8Ezwcp76jCpeL7PabJ |
17:23 |
* |
nubbins` weeps as his sides crumble and fall |
17:24 |
nubbins` |
"My boss wouldn't accept Bitcoin. I have since quit my job, set up a competitor" |
17:24 |
nubbins` |
your poor boss ;p |
17:24 |
williamdunne |
Yeah that was about as derpy as it gets |
17:24 |
nubbins` |
of course the fucking dog dick is a "web designer" |
17:25 |
nubbins` |
someone should do a browser extension that changes all instances of "boss" in /r/bitcoin to "parents" |
17:26 |
mircea_popescu |
lol im sure his parents took bitcoin |
17:26 |
mircea_popescu |
also leaves, bits of their own front yard, inept 6yo drawings on bits of wallpaper etc |
17:27 |
williamdunne |
In fairness, unemployment rates are sub 10% while the rates of loozers are well over 50% |
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17:27 |
trinque |
"mom you stupid whore! where's my hot pocket?!" |
17:27 |
asciilifeform |
!up ascii_field |
17:28 |
thestringpuller |
my mom woulda put me in the ground had I spoken like that to her as a kid |
17:28 |
ascii_field |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-06-2015#1174561 << wai wat?! we're swallowing usg stats now ? |
17:28 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-06-2015 21:27:00; williamdunne: In fairness, unemployment rates are sub 10% while the rates of loozers are well over 50% |
17:28 |
williamdunne |
ascii_field: nah, but USG stats are what, 4%? I reckon 10% is about right |
17:28 |
ascii_field |
(usg counts as 'employed' anyone of working age who isn't collecting state-funded 'unemployment pension') |
17:29 |
williamdunne |
5.5% |
17:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 129574 @ 0.00040386 = 52.3298 BTC [-] |
17:30 |
nubbins` |
out of work and not looking? you're not unemployed. |
17:30 |
nubbins` |
STATS FTW |
17:32 |
trinque |
thestringpuller: I'm a firm believer in post-natal abortion rights. |
17:36 |
williamdunne |
nubbins`: Wouldn't that be fair anyway? |
17:36 |
williamdunne |
I always thought the stat was meant to reflect those looking for work who can't find it |
17:37 |
mircea_popescu |
i thought unemployed is "hasn't made 1mn clicks on fb stuff this month" |
17:43 |
williamdunne |
Thats employed, surely? |
17:43 |
mircea_popescu |
hm |
17:44 |
mircea_popescu |
better get the pm request special powers to investigate the content of people clicks |
17:44 |
mircea_popescu |
otherwise we will never be able to answer this dilemma. |
17:45 |
nubbins` |
i think that's included in the next omnibus bill |
17:45 |
nubbins` |
gotta get it going before mulcair gets elected |
17:51 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
17:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 162940 @ 0.00041371 = 67.4099 BTC [+] {3} |
17:58 |
lobbes |
!up ascii_field |
17:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47806 @ 0.00039302 = 18.7887 BTC [-] |
17:59 |
pete_dushenski |
trinque: that's called 'infanticide' and will apparently kill your chances with teh ladies |
17:59 |
pete_dushenski |
not unlike williamdunne telling them they belong in the kitchen, i suppose |
18:00 |
trinque |
pete_dushenski: so I hear, yet primate infanticide is most certainly a thing. |
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18:01 |
pete_dushenski |
insect too |
18:02 |
pete_dushenski |
throughout the animal kingdom, really |
18:04 |
williamdunne |
ahaha |
18:04 |
williamdunne |
Yes, infanticide might be slightly better |
18:06 |
trinque |
I've seen more than a few things published on whether "sudden infant death syndrome" (obviously a questionable concept on its own) is a more palatable "diagnosis" for infanticide |
18:09 |
pete_dushenski |
trinque that'd make sense y'know |
18:09 |
mircea_popescu |
!up kenburnes |
18:09 |
mircea_popescu |
eh from what i've heard, they convicted a buncha women for what actually was bona fide kids dying |
18:09 |
mircea_popescu |
in here kenburnes |
18:10 |
kenburnes |
hi |
18:10 |
mircea_popescu |
how goes. |
18:10 |
kenburnes |
ok |
18:12 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu go figure that the courts would find personal responsbility where there is none to counterbalance their continued lenience when it's actually there, as with 'insanity' pleas. |
18:13 |
trinque |
yeah, I can see how the thing resembles other media-fueled panics |
18:13 |
mircea_popescu |
i suppose on the surface "sudden infant death" seems insanity, as adults don't do anything like that. |
18:13 |
mircea_popescu |
nevertheless, spontaneous abortion is a thing, and obviously children inhabit some sort of continuum between that and adulthood, so... |
18:13 |
mircea_popescu |
who knows, nature's complex enough. |
18:16 |
pete_dushenski |
and the scope of science such as it exists currently is woefully inadequate to study the matter |
18:16 |
mircea_popescu |
not that inadequate. iirc it's the leading cause of death in small children in the western world. |
18:17 |
pete_dushenski |
i can see the epidemiology headline now : "sids linked to living in suburbia" |
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18:17 |
mircea_popescu |
but so far most of the productions on the topic are "smoking is bad and vaccines good mkay" |
18:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72900 @ 0.00042345 = 30.8695 BTC [+] |
18:19 |
pete_dushenski |
trying to control variables in any such sids experiment would require insane amounts of data and coordination |
18:19 |
cazalla |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-06-2015#1174589 <<< they kill other people's kids, not their own though yeah? |
18:19 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-06-2015 22:00:51; trinque: pete_dushenski: so I hear, yet primate infanticide is most certainly a thing. |
18:20 |
punkman |
dunno about humans, but baby goat is delicious |
18:21 |
mircea_popescu |
baby sheep's even better. |
18:22 |
* |
mircea_popescu spent his decade or so of acquaintance with indian cuisine eating pretty much nothing but lamb. |
18:23 |
BingoBoingo |
Goat and lamb both delicious, as are suckling pigs |
18:26 |
punkman |
kinda hard to distinguish baby goat/lamb after cooking, at least for my taste buds |
18:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121839 @ 0.00042345 = 51.5927 BTC [+] {2} |
18:30 |
BingoBoingo |
punkman: The difference is in the preparation that takes it to that point. |
18:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30046 @ 0.00042656 = 12.8164 BTC [+] |
18:39 |
pete_dushenski |
BingoBoingo "the later is simply for hire" << two t's |
18:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.00042656 = 5.0974 BTC [+] |
18:58 |
BingoBoingo |
pete_dushenski: Fixed |
19:04 |
pete_dushenski |
cool beans. i'm outie. laters! |
19:10 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41980 @ 0.00042725 = 17.936 BTC [+] {2} |
19:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 281592 @ 0.0004296 = 120.9719 BTC [+] {8} |
19:14 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-06-2015#1174609 << it was. |
19:14 |
assbot |
Logged on 24-06-2015 22:17:37; pete_dushenski: i can see the epidemiology headline now : "sids linked to living in suburbia" |
19:15 |
asciilifeform |
;;google sarah blaffer hrdy |
19:15 |
gribble |
Sarah Blaffer Hrdy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Blaffer_Hrdy>; Sarah B. Hrdy — Anthropology: <http://anthropology.ucdavis.edu/people/sbhrdy>; An Interview with Sarah Blaffer Hrdy on Mother Nature - Scientific ...: <http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/primate-diaries/raising-darwins-consciousness-an-interview-with-sarah-blaffer-hrdy- (1 more message) |
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19:16 |
asciilifeform |
^ has book, 'mother nature', where the thesis is laid out. recommended. |
19:17 |
asciilifeform |
http://bradhicks.livejournal.com/328184.html |
19:17 |
asciilifeform |
^ mega-review |
19:18 |
asciilifeform |
^ i posted it to 'reddit' when the latter was still readable, in '07, and for a while it held, i think, the 'vote' #1 record on that site |
19:19 |
phf |
so i'm running thermonuked version: at 180k blockcount, i got 44526 bastards, 44007 of which have been eventually accepted with an average 3 minute delay. |
19:19 |
phf |
bitcoind keeps rerequesting same bastard blocks before there's enough blockchain to accept it, on average i got 3-4 rejections for the same block, with a few worst cases of ~100 rerequests |
19:20 |
asciilifeform |
phf: read the src. bitcoind never 'requests bastard block', it requests 'next blocks' and ends up with a great many that aren't the precise next block we want |
19:20 |
asciilifeform |
'So she gave a preliminary paper on the subject in 1976, suggesting that more research was needed to explain how this behavior could possibly have evolved in primates, only to be interrupted in mid talk by an audience member, a prominent expert in her field. He stood up, tried to stop her from finishing reading her paper, announced that primate females absolutely do not ever murder their own children, and that if she had obser |
19:21 |
asciilifeform |
ved a primate colony in which primate females were killing their own children, it could only be because of something she had done to them; she must have committed some horrible breach of experimental ethics that so deranged these monkeys that she had driven them insane enough to do something that no monkey had ever done before. He then stormed out of the talk and went directly to the scientific press to denounce her for whatev |
19:21 |
asciilifeform |
er it was that she had done to that monkey colony, so it probably is a good thing that she was already planning on changing fields, no?' |
19:21 |
phf |
asciilifeform: that's how i understand it, just poor wording on my part |
19:21 |
asciilifeform |
phf: so it works precisely as one might expect. |
19:22 |
mircea_popescu |
phf am i reading what you're saying correctly , "thermonuked more efficient network utilization" ? |
19:23 |
ben_vulpes |
hi phf! |
19:23 |
ben_vulpes |
good to see you again. |
19:24 |
ben_vulpes |
phf: is this on os x? |
19:24 |
ben_vulpes |
!rated phf |
19:24 |
assbot |
You rated user phf on 16-Apr-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: lisper.. |
19:25 |
phf |
asciilifeform: right, no surprises there so far. i thought that maybe as blockchain grows the cumulative delay will increase, but i don't see that happening yet |
19:26 |
phf |
ben_vulpes: heya! yeah, i quit my previous job, so i have a lot more time for avocation |
19:26 |
asciilifeform |
phf: out of curiosity, what was the logic behind this hypothesis ? |
19:29 |
phf |
asciilifeform: a hunch, but also poor understanding of how blocks are requested. i thought that maybe bastards will compete for bandwidth with legitimate blocks |
19:29 |
asciilifeform |
phf: in the sense that they are uselessly occupying the pipe while they're moving - they do |
19:30 |
asciilifeform |
but 'bastard' from the perspective of a node is simply any block for which the immediate antecedent is not already on disk |
19:30 |
asciilifeform |
almost always it is a legit (main chain) block |
19:30 |
phf |
right |
19:31 |
phf |
bastard in this case is something that's will eventually be joined onto blockchain |
19:31 |
asciilifeform |
... or not |
19:31 |
asciilifeform |
(in cases of genuine crud blocks) |
19:32 |
asciilifeform |
understand, the entire sync mechanism as-we-have-it is profoundly retarded |
19:32 |
asciilifeform |
but there is no especially attractive way of fixing this, presently |
19:33 |
asciilifeform |
all that can be done is to have a node that 1) syncs, eventually 2) allows others to sync from self 3) doesn't go around writing blank cheques for the system resources of the box it runs on and handing them out to street scum |
19:34 |
asciilifeform |
it was in the interest of (3) that i amputated the 'orphan tx' cache as well. |
19:34 |
asciilifeform |
phf: both patches are presently considered 'experimental' and not yet ratified by therealbitcoin. |
19:34 |
phf |
mircea_popescu: i guess thermonuked is less efficient network utilization, but per asciilifeform better then less efficient memory utilization which was the case pre thermonuke |
19:35 |
asciilifeform |
it is demonstrably less efficient than if there were a cache |
19:35 |
phf |
right |
19:35 |
mircea_popescu |
phf do you intend to publish results of your run anywhere ? |
19:35 |
asciilifeform |
but we presently lack a non-retarded implementation of such a cache |
19:35 |
mircea_popescu |
!up execut3 |
19:35 |
asciilifeform |
(this is trickier than it appears, on account of, e.g., memory fragmentation effect) |
19:36 |
phf |
mircea_popescu: yes, will post here, once i have closer to complete blockchain |
19:36 |
mircea_popescu |
cool. |
19:36 |
mircea_popescu |
!rated phf |
19:36 |
assbot |
You have not rated phf. |
19:36 |
mircea_popescu |
!rate phf 1 New blood |
19:36 |
assbot |
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19:36 |
phf |
asciilifeform: memory fragmentation effect? |
19:37 |
asciilifeform |
!s fragging |
19:37 |
assbot |
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19:37 |
phf |
thx |
19:37 |
mircea_popescu |
!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.phf.1:a15501b9b874c832d39da21bd66e77d5c726136d1695025a7edffba5998423ff |
19:37 |
assbot |
Successfully added a rating of 1 for phf with note: New blood |
19:37 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-05-2015#1147075 |
19:37 |
assbot |
Logged on 28-05-2015 19:48:57; asciilifeform: 2) tiny turds, stored and then reclaimed, lead to fragging |
19:37 |
asciilifeform |
^ shortest explanation |
19:40 |
mircea_popescu |
http://blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?370981-Blender-s-future-on-Mac-is-in-jepordy-and-we-re-looking-for-support |
19:40 |
assbot |
Blender's future on Mac is in jepordy and we're looking for support ... ( http://bit.ly/1BBxgmZ ) |
19:40 |
mircea_popescu |
"Mac has never been a viable platform for professional production 3d work" |
19:41 |
mircea_popescu |
the things one finds on the internet. i thought mac survived principally because graphics shitheads. |
19:41 |
ben_vulpes |
illustrator != blender |
19:42 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: mno. that was '90s apple (the actual apple, prior to its death and devourment of corpse by 'next' corp.) |
19:42 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes nah, apparently the problem is that whatever actual driver support they had, marginal as it was, they're chucking in the new osx |
19:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113288 @ 0.00042687 = 48.3592 BTC [-] {2} |
19:43 |
asciilifeform |
today it survives principally because it is the only remaining commercial unix workstation vendor. |
19:43 |
ben_vulpes |
the graphics shitheads were illustrator users, not blender users. |
19:43 |
mircea_popescu |
apple wants to be a "mobile platform". because it worked so well for nokia, and for samsung, and for fucking blackberry. |
19:43 |
asciilifeform |
(why mac survives, i mean. rather than apple corp.) |
19:43 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: design happens on macs. |
19:43 |
ben_vulpes |
i went to parsons. i know. |
19:43 |
mircea_popescu |
well, it can only happen if the damned thing works./ |
19:43 |
ben_vulpes |
i work with the 'agencies'. design happens on macs. |
19:43 |
asciilifeform |
design of what ? |
19:44 |
mircea_popescu |
does it ? |
19:44 |
ben_vulpes |
'works' means different things for people who use computers vs program them. |
19:44 |
mircea_popescu |
oris it just the thing chicklets derping on facebook and calling themselves designers favour ? |
19:44 |
ben_vulpes |
creation of advertisement assets. |
19:44 |
mircea_popescu |
different things these. |
19:44 |
mircea_popescu |
mno, works means works. |
19:44 |
ben_vulpes |
"photoshop runs" means works. |
19:44 |
mircea_popescu |
but runs as in what ? "can't access the driver, here's a nice welcome box" ? |
19:44 |
asciilifeform |
'run commercial apps' + 'not microshit' == 'mac' |
19:45 |
asciilifeform |
approximately. |
19:46 |
asciilifeform |
more or less what ben_vulpes said; |
19:46 |
mircea_popescu |
if you want to process say a shader and it takes you half hour on mac and five minutes on gentoo then by this standard one would i guess say it doesn't work. |
19:46 |
asciilifeform |
it's a machine for running photoshit without being submerged in boiling cauldron of microshit |
19:46 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: as far as these folks are concerned, gentoo may as well be a particle accelerator at dubna, ru |
19:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79400 @ 0.00043133 = 34.2476 BTC [+] |
19:47 |
mircea_popescu |
those folks, whatever they may think, or wish the worlkd to be, still have to eat. |
19:47 |
mircea_popescu |
eating still comes out of work |
19:47 |
mircea_popescu |
eos |
19:47 |
asciilifeform |
aha, they eat via photoshit. |
19:47 |
asciilifeform |
which runs, yes. |
19:48 |
mircea_popescu |
apparently it's not going to. i dunno whence this idea comes that something can run magically-like. |
19:48 |
asciilifeform |
wai wat |
19:48 |
mircea_popescu |
if they don't have decent driver suport they COULD make some in house abomiation circumvent it all, and so on |
19:48 |
mircea_popescu |
but it is hardly a viable solution. |
19:48 |
asciilifeform |
what was the thread about, i'm having trouble telling |
19:48 |
asciilifeform |
somewhere a mac shipped with an unsupported graphics card ? |
19:48 |
mircea_popescu |
as the costs to prop it up just keep on growing and eventually tyhe whole "ecosystem" collapses |
19:49 |
asciilifeform |
(apple does not sell such a thing) |
19:49 |
mircea_popescu |
apparently they are unable to support opengl properly |
19:49 |
mircea_popescu |
let alone cuda |
19:49 |
asciilifeform |
iirc shaders are not part of 'classical' opengl ? |
19:49 |
mircea_popescu |
supporting "classical" opengl = not working. |
19:50 |
asciilifeform |
address hate mail to nvidia co. ? |
19:50 |
asciilifeform |
or whoever apple's current gpu buttbuddy is |
19:50 |
mircea_popescu |
no, apparently not their fault. |
19:50 |
asciilifeform |
wai wat |
19:51 |
kakobrekla |
http://www.techeye.net/news/us-navy-spends-millions-to-stay-low-tech |
19:51 |
assbot |
US Navy spends millions to stay low-tech | TechEye ... ( http://bit.ly/1BBxESy ) |
19:51 |
kakobrekla |
>The Navy tried to sail away from XP in 2013, but it seemed to hit some headwind with the project as of May this year it still had approximately 100,000 workstations running XP or the other software. |
19:51 |
mircea_popescu |
looks more like, "neither nvidia nor amd were willing to go into a intel-ms deal with fucking apple, because who the fuck do those assholes think they are and it's about time they figured out a) jobs is deads and b) if he weren't he'd be in jail ; meanwhile apple won't talk to intel or asus etc because they think they're too good to deal with lesser babka, and so they're saying fuck you to the entire modern computing g |
19:51 |
mircea_popescu |
fx stack" |
19:52 |
mircea_popescu |
at least that's what i got out of it. |
19:52 |
asciilifeform |
result will likely be that apple begins shipping arm-macs with their in-house gpu. |
19:52 |
mircea_popescu |
that will suck. |
19:52 |
asciilifeform |
(they are already shipping this chip in the pocket comps) |
19:52 |
mircea_popescu |
and no, i don't believe cook has the guts to even try. |
19:53 |
mircea_popescu |
they'll just pretend like the poroblem doesn't exist and will go away, like any mcdonalds. |
19:53 |
asciilifeform |
(how much it sucks is a question for serious apple aficionados, not for me) |
19:53 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: they don't need much gut here, the chip was designed under herr jobs and exists now |
19:54 |
mircea_popescu |
the need for guts comes in exactly too sizes : |
19:54 |
mircea_popescu |
immense and not too much. |
19:54 |
mircea_popescu |
they're the same size. |
19:54 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway. jobs could have pulled something like this off, maybe, as an outlier result. mostly, he'd have failed miserably while denying it all along. |
19:54 |
mircea_popescu |
anyone else they have left there won't even try |
19:55 |
asciilifeform |
apple's trajectory for years has been to merge 'iphonism' into their entire product line |
19:55 |
asciilifeform |
this'd be a logical conclusion. |
19:55 |
asciilifeform |
mac would turn into 'ipad' 'with keyboard.' |
19:55 |
mircea_popescu |
they'll make excellent gameboys in a decade. |
19:56 |
asciilifeform |
they could make almost anything and folks will buy so long as it is vaguely computer-like and doesn't run winblows. |
19:56 |
asciilifeform |
see the point re: 'sole remaining commercial unix ws vendor' |
19:57 |
mircea_popescu |
what idiots do isn't really in the scope of this discussion. |
19:57 |
mircea_popescu |
there are people with myspace accounts still. |
19:57 |
mircea_popescu |
heck, yahoo briefcase apparently had users, when it closed. |
19:58 |
asciilifeform |
not speaking of these. but of the folks who want a posix box that fits in a rucksack, where, e.g., 'suspend to ram' works, etc |
19:58 |
asciilifeform |
just ask ben_vulpes... |
19:58 |
mircea_popescu |
"And that article Richard posted just seems to exist to stroke Apple's ego. I don't think I know a single artist who would choose to buy one of the new Mac Pros for their work, especially considering the premium you pay and their reliance on AMD hardware in a field dominated by nV and CUDA." |
19:58 |
mircea_popescu |
there. |
19:58 |
asciilifeform |
^ must be microshit shill |
19:59 |
mircea_popescu |
heh |
19:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109181 @ 0.0004228 = 46.1617 BTC [-] {2} |
19:59 |
asciilifeform |
thing is, 'not microshit' is a hard criterion for many, many folks |
19:59 |
asciilifeform |
including myself |
19:59 |
mircea_popescu |
"The crappy 3D support on Mac OS is in direct conflict with that goal. Furthermore, as a non-Mac OS user, I would kindly request that no disproportionate developer effort be spent on such an inadequate and developer-hostile platform. |
19:59 |
mircea_popescu |
Sent from my iPad." |
19:59 |
mircea_popescu |
how about that. |
20:00 |
asciilifeform |
'mac' ~can~ be treated as something like an irix or solaris box, as a funny-looking frame around a bourne shell and x11 terminal |
20:00 |
asciilifeform |
winblows - not. |
20:00 |
mircea_popescu |
"Pixar does NOT use Apple computers to make 3D for their movies (modeling, animation, render, shaders, etc.). They use Linux, just like everyone else in the industry. Now they might use a Mac to paint a background or texture something but all feature animation is done in Linux (Disney, Dreamworks, Sony Animation, Blue Sky, etc. etc.). That's also true for SFX shops like ILM, Weta, Sony Imageworks, DD, etc. etc. All Lin |
20:00 |
mircea_popescu |
ux." |
20:00 |
mircea_popescu |
i had no idea. |
20:01 |
asciilifeform |
why would anyone use anything other than linux boxen for a headless render farm |
20:01 |
asciilifeform |
? |
20:01 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 1117 @ 0.00111 = 1.2399 BTC {2} |
20:01 |
mircea_popescu |
"modeling, animation, render, shaders" |
20:01 |
asciilifeform |
they, likely, have proper card specs from nvidia etc. under nda |
20:01 |
mircea_popescu |
why would someone use something other than the car to go shop ? "oh, this is for work!!1" |
20:01 |
mircea_popescu |
so it is. |
20:02 |
asciilifeform |
'pixar' does not live by same constraints as us mortals |
20:02 |
asciilifeform |
if they want the gpu datasheet - they get. |
20:02 |
asciilifeform |
(perhaps minus the 'nsa chapter' but enough to run shader.) |
20:04 |
mircea_popescu |
anyone can get the mafia to embed an engineer if they have money. |
20:05 |
asciilifeform |
sure. but why would the 'anyone' make the result available gratis to his competition ? |
20:05 |
asciilifeform |
(incidentally, the success history of ussr attempting this was spotty, to say the least.) |
20:06 |
mircea_popescu |
your ideas of competition come from this world with scarce work and plenty of high skilled folk to do it. this is not the case. |
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20:06 |
mircea_popescu |
there's an endless mountaineous heap of work, and the last time i talked to someone even halfway competent was last week. |
20:06 |
asciilifeform |
'embed engineer' sounds simple, but he has to be permitted near the jewels, know what's worth stealing, ~and~ continue working for ~you~ rather than the nice fella who now signs his bonuses |
20:07 |
* |
mircea_popescu waves hand |
20:07 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1174799 << i live there! |
20:07 |
assbot |
Logged on 25-06-2015 00:06:08; mircea_popescu: your ideas of competition come from this world with scarce work and plenty of high skilled folk to do it. this is not the case. |
20:07 |
mircea_popescu |
there's absolutely no value in software. let him steal. |
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20:08 |
asciilifeform |
the shortage is of work that 1) pays 2) doesn't make you want to shoot yourself in the head immediately |
20:08 |
asciilifeform |
1 or 2 alone - so plentiful that 'you can eat with your arse' |
20:09 |
asciilifeform |
1+2 - 'unicorn' |
20:09 |
asciilifeform |
and there is no shortage whatsoever of 'skilled folk.' there is only shortage at a particular price point. |
20:11 |
asciilifeform |
while (!hired(bid++)); << convenient algo. |
20:11 |
williamdunne |
Is this DPB? http://cointelegraph.com/storage/uploads/view/f42abf63ce15666be179844d74acfa74.jpg |
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20:11 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1BByC18 ) |
20:12 |
mircea_popescu |
williamdunne folk with beards all look the same to you don't they |
20:13 |
williamdunne |
Possibly |
20:13 |
williamdunne |
In my defence though, two bitcoiners who look pretty similar |
20:13 |
williamdunne |
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIRaK8aUcAAdXlR.jpg |
20:13 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1BByFdt ) |
20:14 |
williamdunne |
With the same bear |
20:14 |
williamdunne |
*beard |
20:14 |
williamdunne |
I'm pretty sure it is dpb |
20:18 |
mircea_popescu |
doesn't look like him to me, but hey. danielpbarron is it or ain't it ? |
20:19 |
mircea_popescu |
is blondy swallowing a casino chip ? |
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20:20 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102300 @ 0.00040995 = 41.9379 BTC [-] |
20:21 |
williamdunne |
Putting her money where her mouth is supposedly |
20:22 |
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asciilifeform wonders if mircea_popescu's idea of 'competence' approximately equals 'willing to dig in chernoble reactor for 2 rubles / hour' |
20:23 |
asciilifeform |
these - yes, good luck finding. |
20:23 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform no dude. it's "go do something useful". after interval, person has done something useful. |
20:24 |
mircea_popescu |
really very low bar, in any other time than the present |
20:24 |
asciilifeform |
not hard - yes, today - if ~pay~ |
20:24 |
asciilifeform |
this is ~not~ like the scarcity of, e.g., 'real computer', where ~it doesn't matter if you're rich, it doesn't exist~ |
20:25 |
mircea_popescu |
and yet <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: as far as these folks are concerned, gentoo may as well be a particle accelerator at dubna, ru |
20:25 |
asciilifeform |
well yes, because all of the things one can't even dream of affording 'look quite alike' |
20:25 |
mircea_popescu |
no amount of pay is going to deretardify reddit. |
20:25 |
asciilifeform |
no amount will put out the sun either |
20:25 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> oris it just the thing chicklets derping on facebook and calling themselves designers favour ? << Largely this. I know a person who "Does Video" for a and I am not making this up: "Storytelling Consultancy" or at least he did. Not sure atm what that douche is doing. |
20:25 |
asciilifeform |
i was speaking of problems that are at least theoretically worth solving |
20:26 |
asciilifeform |
e.g., laying down shaded pixels |
20:26 |
asciilifeform |
or getting $proggy built as-so |
20:26 |
mircea_popescu |
there's more pixels needing laying down than there are people who can do it. period. |
20:26 |
mircea_popescu |
infinite pay per capita would not fix this |
20:27 |
asciilifeform |
in the sense of 'this is like protein folding' - sure |
20:27 |
asciilifeform |
there is infinite appetite |
20:27 |
mircea_popescu |
that's the ACTUAL bargaining chip of the sv firms : if you ACTUALLY want us to pay market rate, market rate's infinity and we're paying it. get printing. |
20:27 |
asciilifeform |
sv pays in counterfeit money |
20:27 |
mircea_popescu |
it has to! |
20:27 |
mircea_popescu |
there's no way to pay five people to do six jobs! |
20:28 |
mircea_popescu |
for pay to work as you expect there's a strict requirement that jobs < people. |
20:28 |
asciilifeform |
if mircea_popescu wants to remove a pair of hands from sv, all he'd have to do is pay in actual money |
20:28 |
mircea_popescu |
o, wait, "actual money" = "fixed percent of all the money that'sd ever going to exist" ? |
20:28 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
20:28 |
mircea_popescu |
tyvm. but... what fixed percent of all the money that's ever going to exist is microsoft worth ? |
20:28 |
mircea_popescu |
0.0001% say ? |
20:28 |
mircea_popescu |
if that ? |
20:28 |
mircea_popescu |
so ima pay what, 10 btc for all of redmond ? |
20:28 |
asciilifeform |
microshit is worth what mosquitoes are worth |
20:28 |
asciilifeform |
i.e. with negative sign bit |
20:29 |
mircea_popescu |
this is getting pretty complex. |
20:29 |
asciilifeform |
what is the removal of the last mosquito 'worth' |
20:29 |
mircea_popescu |
and i mean that literally. a + bi |
20:29 |
asciilifeform |
if there were, e.g., a martian in orbit, known for his impeccable honesty, who offered to vaporize every last employee of microshit, present and past, for 10 btc - mircea_popescu would decline ? |
20:29 |
mircea_popescu |
yes. |
20:30 |
asciilifeform |
'not worth bullet' ? |
20:30 |
mircea_popescu |
for one think, iirc that'd do mike_c in. |
20:30 |
asciilifeform |
l0l |
20:30 |
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mircea_popescu is too old to fall for "progress" and "future" tricks. i'm not paying for that. |
20:30 |
asciilifeform |
fair |
20:30 |
asciilifeform |
and who's to say what weevils will breed in the crater |
20:31 |
mircea_popescu |
and on it goes. |
20:31 |
asciilifeform |
but as gedankenexperiment re: what a great blight is 'worth' |
20:31 |
mircea_popescu |
forget your own opinion, the thing trades on exchanges, worth what, 100bn ? |
20:31 |
mircea_popescu |
yes, i would trade 10 btc for 100bn "worth" of engineering work. |
20:31 |
asciilifeform |
sumthinglikethat |
20:31 |
mircea_popescu |
that's what, two million man-years ? |
20:32 |
asciilifeform |
measuring software dev in 'man-time' is ~how we got a planet with microshit in the first place~ |
20:32 |
mircea_popescu |
you're the one forcing me to use nonsensical terms to humor you |
20:32 |
asciilifeform |
l0l |
20:32 |
mircea_popescu |
now you bitch about their nonsensicalness ?! |
20:33 |
asciilifeform |
was trying to walk on tightrope between lunacy and sense |
20:33 |
mircea_popescu |
glwt! |
20:33 |
mircea_popescu |
it's simple, really : when jobs < people, you can pay. when jobs > people, you gotta let em volunteer. no other way. |
20:33 |
mircea_popescu |
yes, you gotta distribute resources back out somehow, but it can only be via equity. |
20:34 |
mircea_popescu |
fnance is what it is, its own kind of thermodynamics, off of which it is actually derived. |
20:34 |
asciilifeform |
when will mircea_popescu be volunteering for rat shooting detail in the abandoned factories of leningrad ? |
20:34 |
mircea_popescu |
you don't get to say what you'd like it to be like. |
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20:34 |
asciilifeform |
more rats than shooters atm |
20:34 |
asciilifeform |
hence 'all must volunteer' ? |
20:34 |
mircea_popescu |
well clearly no-one's payin' em ? |
20:35 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, the problem exists because it's global. not because "in this tiny island of rust beltlandia so and so rats". |
20:35 |
mircea_popescu |
this is the first seriouys problem we ran into, ever since this globalization paradigm. |
20:35 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1174884 << i can't pretend to any divine revelation re: the numbers, but what i do see is folks who pay lawyer $xxxxx to solve their problem, and offer programmer $xxx. and then wonder why their programmatic problems remain unsolved. they answer 'lawyer is a man and programmer is a monkey. and the latter gets monkey wage.' answer: you paid for monkey. so that's what you get. |
20:35 |
assbot |
Logged on 25-06-2015 00:34:08; mircea_popescu: you don't get to say what you'd like it to be like. |
20:37 |
mircea_popescu |
this scenario only plays out in your own mind (admittedly poisoned by a lot of interaction with idiots). in reality it's like this : there are more jobs than people. the system where you pay people a salary only works when there are more people than jobs. when there are more jobs than people you essentially create a large excavator of sense on a large mountain of problems, and divy up the results somehow. such as they |
20:37 |
mircea_popescu |
are. |
20:37 |
mircea_popescu |
this is what i mean by equity. |
20:37 |
mircea_popescu |
and yes this means people working can end up not making anything. it does. necessarily. |
20:38 |
mircea_popescu |
in theory it works out to better pay and better working coinditions than the alternative, but |
20:38 |
asciilifeform |
this is an approachable problem |
20:38 |
mircea_popescu |
generally when people compare the present with the option they imagine, they take selected bits of each. |
20:38 |
asciilifeform |
once you discover the hidden variable - that most of the creatures masquerading as 'people' are actually apes - you are left without one side of the equation |
20:38 |
asciilifeform |
ditto the 'problems' |
20:38 |
asciilifeform |
most of them are not actual problems |
20:38 |
mircea_popescu |
there's no option here, however. no way will be devised where the systematically wrong model can be employed. it's, essentially, what a scam is : the proposition that we've temporarily turned thermodynamics off. |
20:39 |
asciilifeform |
but the stink of ape-man shit |
20:39 |
mircea_popescu |
i am not sure this simplification works as you intend it to. |
20:39 |
mircea_popescu |
you're cutting off T on one side with dT on the other side. |
20:39 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: nobody turned thermodynamics off, but it is entirely possible to have a room full of lunatics mumbling 'vroom, vroom' |
20:39 |
asciilifeform |
which is what the 'computing industry' is largely about. |
20:39 |
mircea_popescu |
this while true, makes the problems not an iota smaller. |
20:40 |
mircea_popescu |
if your house is fulla shit, the realisation that an idiot shat your floor does not clean it any. |
20:40 |
asciilifeform |
it reduces the 'ocean of problems' to one particular - scientifically formulatable - problem. |
20:40 |
mircea_popescu |
arguably intellectual problems, such as software, are easier to clean for being virtual rather than physically embodied |
20:40 |
mircea_popescu |
but still not that much. |
20:42 |
asciilifeform |
people ask why 'computing is different' and answer is that the field had the misfortune to appear at the same time as the great 'democratization' shit-lathering of the 20th c. |
20:42 |
mircea_popescu |
not even true. computing appeared in the 50s. |
20:42 |
asciilifeform |
if, e.g., aeronautics had waited until such a time, 'airplane' would be synonymous with 'f-35' |
20:42 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: as did the rest of the rot. |
20:42 |
mircea_popescu |
rest of the rot, imo, appeared in the 80s. |
20:43 |
asciilifeform |
but computing in the modern, interactive-terminal sense came later. |
20:43 |
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asciilifeform distinguishes act of 'computing' from 'calculating' |
20:43 |
* |
asciilifeform bbl, off to pet pet |
20:44 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway. lawyering is only "different" because of your perception. most lawyers die in debt, still not having paid their college costs |
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20:44 |
mircea_popescu |
and that's not even counting for the currently alive set. |
20:44 |
mircea_popescu |
generally, the prospect of being a lawyer is strictly speaking dimmer than the prospect of being a programmer. |
20:44 |
mircea_popescu |
there's no lawyer that walks away with a bn from a successful buyout. |
20:44 |
mircea_popescu |
there used to be but... in the 50s! |
20:45 |
mircea_popescu |
as far as they are concerned, getting an even bummer deal than code monkeys. plus they have the family dynasties stuff to make it more painful. |
20:45 |
mircea_popescu |
"my grandfather was a senator, and my father made a billion, and i'd better do another line of cock^H^Hke before i think about this too muc" |
20:48 |
williamdunne |
The best off lawyer I know, made very little of his money directly from being a lawyer |
20:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00042239 = 8.7012 BTC [+] |
20:49 |
mircea_popescu |
there are two overlapping misguiding things here. one is, the tournament market. you wouldn't imagine singer/songwriters are better off than you because britney spears, would you ? nor would you imagine "pundits are rich" because oprah, or limbaugh or whatever. |
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20:50 |
mircea_popescu |
in fact. most of these girlies are in the shitter, consider http://trilema.com/2014/holy-shit-technical-analysis-is-real/#selection-85.0-89.62 |
20:50 |
assbot |
Holy shit! Technical Analysis is real! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lpjm9Z ) |
20:50 |
mircea_popescu |
the other one is that, the government. yes, fucktards like shrem end up selling the house to pay "the lawyer". |
20:50 |
mircea_popescu |
the same would have been true if they were fighting cancer as is true when they are fighting the usg. |
20:50 |
mircea_popescu |
nevertheless, THE DOCTOR isn't seeing jack of all that. |
20:50 |
mircea_popescu |
nor is the laywer. |
20:51 |
mircea_popescu |
might as well say "you programmers don't need any money anyway, look at what google revenue is!" |
20:52 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> once you discover the hidden variable - that most of the creatures masquerading as 'people' are actually apes - you are left without one side of the equation << Ah, the Roof problem. Rook shot up nine respectable civilized folk. If he really cared to address his precieved problem his target ought to have been a crack house. |
20:52 |
mircea_popescu |
and so here is the (designed, by the way! deliberately, by the way!) impasse before the free world : one percent of the money spent on $profession actually goes to ~the individual members of $profession~, and then of that, 99% goes to the display monkeys, who are five people, and the remainder however many split the remainder 1%, which generally means they pay to participate. |
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20:53 |
mircea_popescu |
then coders (unlike doctors! or lawyers! and the lawyers would JUMP at the chance, if it were somehow feasible - but so far it's only feasible in banking and finance, mostly) get the option to work for equity, but |
20:53 |
mircea_popescu |
well.. "why can't it be like it was for oprah!!11" |
20:53 |
mircea_popescu |
well duh baby. because it never was, that's why. |
20:53 |
BingoBoingo |
Because Oprah's a hamplanet |
21:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70387 @ 0.00042707 = 30.0602 BTC [+] |
21:00 |
mircea_popescu |
and with math, too : if social expenditure for field is one trillion, and the headcount employed is one million, that means one million get to divy up a hundred million, thus making a whooping 100 a head. that's not even the fabled dollar a day. |
21:01 |
mircea_popescu |
and yes, the trillion spent means the govt got to offset 990 billion off another whatever indescript entry in its ledger, |
21:02 |
mircea_popescu |
and yes the trillion spent also means five people got two billion a pop give or take to be paraded across the country with a large jam tomorrow sign affixed. |
21:02 |
mircea_popescu |
cool, but what does it do ? |
21:02 |
mircea_popescu |
not like they can spend two billion to buy a hundred thousand aks and ammo for them and shoot the whole charade into the ground |
21:03 |
mircea_popescu |
because their 2bn is conditionally theirs on the understanding not that it won't get used "for terrorism", |
21:03 |
mircea_popescu |
but that it won't be used at all. |
21:03 |
mircea_popescu |
o, nm, you can "donate it". |
21:04 |
mircea_popescu |
just as long as it's a meaningless act, carefully sterilized, pointless and ineffectual. |
21:05 |
mircea_popescu |
meanwhile, i'll listen sympathetically to any programmer that can't feed himself ; and i'll be amused at any programmer that "but oprah!". the field's over there, and it takes all comers. don't mind the manure. |
21:10 |
mircea_popescu |
and in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7p2qfBWlJ1rbog77o1_1280.jpg |
21:10 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1LpmpPr ) |
21:17 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52850 @ 0.00043114 = 22.7857 BTC [+] {2} |
21:20 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50650 @ 0.0004229 = 21.4199 BTC [-] |
21:20 |
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asciilifeform back |
21:24 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu's summary is essentially correct re: 'software industry' |
21:26 |
asciilifeform |
but to bring it back to the 'dirty house, cleaners want wheelbarrow of gold, so must stay dirty' - i doubt mircea_popescu is suffering from any software problem that, say, terry davis (deliberately not nominating any of the folks here for this gedankenexperiment) couldn't or wouldn't fix for, say, 50000btc |
21:28 |
asciilifeform |
and yes, the 'software industry' is so utterly rotten that an individual act of deretardification has to be contemplated on own merits, rather than as 'market action', modellable with the usual rules. sorta like buying a russian nuke. sui generis. |
21:32 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1174939 << the magic of bitcoin is that 100% can go to the fella who is willing to dive in a pressure suit below five kilometres of liquid shit and retrieve grandmother's dishes from the sunken h.m.s. shitanic |
21:32 |
assbot |
Logged on 25-06-2015 00:52:54; mircea_popescu: and so here is the (designed, by the way! deliberately, by the way!) impasse before the free world : one percent of the money spent on $profession actually goes to ~the individual members of $profession~, and then of that, 99% goes to the display monkeys, who are five people, and the remainder however many split the remainder 1%, which generally means they pay to participate. |
21:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97800 @ 0.00043133 = 42.1841 BTC [+] |
21:33 |
asciilifeform |
but it'd have to be 100% of ฿escape_rocket, yes |
21:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.0004229 = 5.6034 BTC [-] |
21:38 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1174921 << i don't single out lawyers from naive 'but mine has mercedes!' observation, but because the lawyers who ~actually reliably magic away problems~ are not dying in debt. or worrying about rent. |
21:38 |
assbot |
Logged on 25-06-2015 00:44:04; mircea_popescu: anyway. lawyering is only "different" because of your perception. most lawyers die in debt, still not having paid their college costs |
21:39 |
asciilifeform |
ditto for surgeons who specialize in the nearly-impossible, etc |
21:41 |
BingoBoingo |
Lawyers who can reliably contain problems don't const $maxint. The only lawyers who charge $maxint aren't charging for their lawyering, but marketing. Hence Ulbricht hiring the maliciously incompetent Dratel snake. |
21:43 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: to be fair, we don't know what he paid. perhaps d. agreed to work for considerable discount.. |
21:44 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Dratel from what I understands works until open ended fundraiser is exhausted. |
21:44 |
BingoBoingo |
Pure chumpatron to drain actual Ulbricht supporters of resources |
21:44 |
asciilifeform |
plus lawyer was quite possibly the wrong tool for the job. ulbricht needed to hire 'blackwater' rather than lawyer. |
21:44 |
mircea_popescu |
i suffer from such a problem, yes. |
21:45 |
mircea_popescu |
!s $maxint |
21:45 |
assbot |
168 results for '$maxint' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%24maxint |
21:45 |
mircea_popescu |
according to you, at least. |
21:45 |
mircea_popescu |
apparently they'd have to bake a whole new silicone process. |
21:45 |
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asciilifeform did not say 'new process' ! |
21:45 |
asciilifeform |
just new standard cells |
21:46 |
mircea_popescu |
and i wouldn't give 50k to random unknown schmuck without a wot for the obvious reasons, regardless what they can or could do. |
21:46 |
asciilifeform |
and any undergrad 'ee' student can draw you the muller gate standard cell in cmos. |
21:46 |
asciilifeform |
after that, it's merely a matter of 'build skyscraper' |
21:46 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway. people who actually magic away problems, in any field, name their own terms. |
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21:47 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform and the dratel example is particularly on point. what that man did was the equivalent of a bitdaytrade "platform". |
21:48 |
asciilifeform |
the solution of very expensive problems with no precedent is quite possibly a lemon market, yes. |
21:48 |
mircea_popescu |
this is perhaps not painfully obvious to you on account of some version of the memory hole effect, but it can not be readily put into code, the degree of braindamage. perhaps a field full of gotos with no other instructions |
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21:48 |
mircea_popescu |
"this program does nothing" "yes, but it takes some time - like any other program!" |
21:49 |
asciilifeform |
i see dratel as a pretty obvious case of usg mole |
21:49 |
mircea_popescu |
<BingoBoingo> Pure chumpatron to drain actual Ulbricht supporters of resources << and the fact that kid would sign off on this - pretty disgraceful. |
21:49 |
mircea_popescu |
but THEY know what they're doing. they are doing exactly tyhis : make the chumps helpless. |
21:49 |
mircea_popescu |
"what's the point of donating - prolly go straight to a lawyer snake anyway" |
21:49 |
mircea_popescu |
nice. |
21:49 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform me too. the problem is - this was one of the more successful ones. |
21:49 |
BingoBoingo |
This is why for my still to be litigated misdemeanor charge attorney is still working off of his flat $150 pre-trial fee. |
21:51 |
asciilifeform |
herr ulbricht didn't have a 'lawyer problem,' he had a military problem. or could a sufficiently expert german lawyer have exonerated, say, the 'july plot' folks who failed to nail the fuhrer |
21:51 |
mircea_popescu |
you're misrepresenting things. |
21:51 |
mircea_popescu |
the goal here is not to "Exonerate" |
21:51 |
mircea_popescu |
the goal here is to do maximal damage to the system. |
21:52 |
asciilifeform |
leaving aside the fact that poor u. wanted to save own sorry hide, rather than 'damage system,' there is precedent. |
21:52 |
mircea_popescu |
oleander blosom doesn't run outof your mouth, plant itself back on tree. |
21:52 |
asciilifeform |
ted kaczynski ('unabomber') |
21:52 |
mircea_popescu |
oleander blosom sees to it that's the last time YOU're running anywhere. |
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21:52 |
asciilifeform |
read transcript of his trial some time |
21:52 |
mircea_popescu |
what of it ? |
21:52 |
asciilifeform |
fella was brilliant, and devoted entire trial to making 'rule of law' look as ridiculous as it is |
21:52 |
asciilifeform |
'max damage to system' |
21:52 |
asciilifeform |
ended with: muzzle. |
21:52 |
mircea_popescu |
indeed. |
21:53 |
asciilifeform |
and lifetime supermax |
21:53 |
asciilifeform |
(ditto with muzzle) |
21:53 |
mircea_popescu |
also ended with us here. |
21:53 |
asciilifeform |
and the 'damage' was a tiny scratch on the bumper |
21:53 |
asciilifeform |
need a microscope to see it. |
21:53 |
mircea_popescu |
or dja regard the present as unconnected ? |
21:53 |
mircea_popescu |
i beg to differ, i see it quite plainly. |
21:53 |
asciilifeform |
not certain how connected |
21:53 |
asciilifeform |
open to seeing the logic ? |
21:53 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't think the connections will ever be certain. |
21:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101400 @ 0.00040995 = 41.5689 BTC [-] |
21:54 |
mircea_popescu |
but broadly, "if the rule of law didn't suck, or if it did and nobody'd bother showing it - what then ?" |
21:55 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway. see the married men article. they who wish to be exonrated left,long ago. those who stay ALREADY MADE the choice to max damage. |
21:55 |
mircea_popescu |
turning back on one';s choices later is not another's problem. i am not held to explain why the guy that changed his mind failed both ways. |
21:55 |
asciilifeform |
what is this 'left', when the bottle has no outside. |
21:55 |
asciilifeform |
or is there a colony of 'left' on mars. |
21:55 |
mircea_popescu |
tough. |
21:56 |
mircea_popescu |
nobody said you get to make all the choices you might wish to. |
21:56 |
mircea_popescu |
and yes, it's a choice even if you didn't get to make it. |
21:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35750 @ 0.00040995 = 14.6557 BTC [-] |
21:56 |
asciilifeform |
yes, but mircea_popescu mentioned something like 'those who wished, left' |
21:56 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> the goal here is to do maximal damage to the system. << This. On my misdemeanor charge which it was suggest I settle organizational incompetence on the part of the police and prosecution seems to be scuttling whatever case they may or may not have had. Because people normally plea evidence was never collected or lost according to intel. Alleged "victim" is reportedly now a joke subject to taunts from coworkers wit |
21:56 |
BingoBoingo |
h any ability he might have had to use "powers of office" effectively castrated. |
21:56 |
mircea_popescu |
observably some people left. |
21:57 |
mircea_popescu |
Because people normally plea evidence was never collected or lost according to intel << lmao. |
21:58 |
BingoBoingo |
Seriously people were like "It's a misdemeanor don't fight it." I'm like "It's a misdemeanor and I'm white. They prolly don't anticipate having to prosecute it" |
22:01 |
asciilifeform |
back to thread where we http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1174986 >> demonstrably false in a sharashka. |
22:01 |
assbot |
Logged on 25-06-2015 01:46:57; mircea_popescu: anyway. people who actually magic away problems, in any field, name their own terms. |
22:02 |
asciilifeform |
in sharashka, the very best rocket designer's terms are 'i get to eat' |
22:02 |
mircea_popescu |
notrly. reread your source material. |
22:02 |
mircea_popescu |
people naming their own terms were in there - provided, of course, they got to magic away problems. |
22:02 |
asciilifeform |
well, he gets caviar while the worst gets beans, sure |
22:02 |
mircea_popescu |
this is strictly different from "jewish princesses imagining themselves special in own mind" |
22:02 |
asciilifeform |
just like sharashka where i live. |
22:02 |
mircea_popescu |
no. |
22:02 |
mircea_popescu |
do i need to quote verse and chapter to you ? because if i do you're eating crow. |
22:03 |
asciilifeform |
of what? solzhenitsyn? |
22:03 |
mircea_popescu |
sure. |
22:03 |
asciilifeform |
let's have actual, vs fictional personages ? |
22:03 |
asciilifeform |
say, korolev |
22:03 |
mircea_popescu |
pick one, they all have it, as part of being credible. |
22:03 |
asciilifeform |
did k 'name own terms' ? |
22:04 |
asciilifeform |
what if he has asked 'i want to live in manhattan as a free man' as 'terms' ? |
22:04 |
asciilifeform |
on the contrary, at the peak of his career, he had two goons stationed outside of his apartment door at all times. |
22:05 |
asciilifeform |
just to make sure that he doesn't - to manhattan (and, at least officially , that manhatten doesn't ~him~) |
22:05 |
mircea_popescu |
so we're switching "fiction as written by a respected source" to "fiction as alf feels like recounting it for the purpose of current convo" ? |
22:05 |
asciilifeform |
naturally i wasn't there, saying hello to k. in person |
22:05 |
asciilifeform |
if this means 'fiction' i should like to know where is reality. |
22:06 |
mircea_popescu |
in any case i'll score s above a, if you don't mind ? |
22:06 |
mircea_popescu |
at least he WAS there. |
22:06 |
asciilifeform |
;;google хлопнут без некролога |
22:06 |
gribble |
Sergei Korolev - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Korolev>; First get your facts straight... - RationalSkepticism.org: <http://www.rationalskepticism.org/pseudoscience/first-get-your-facts-straight-t46146.html>; How To Think Critically - RationalSkepticism.org: <http://www.rationalskepticism.org/general-debunking/how-to-think- (1 more message) |
22:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32547 @ 0.0004182 = 13.6112 BTC [+] {2} |
22:07 |
asciilifeform |
s. is approx. the same kind of guide to the subject as svetonius and '12 caesars' is to his. |
22:07 |
asciilifeform |
yes, he was there... |
22:08 |
BingoBoingo |
Maybe this is the wrong epoch's fiction being contrasted. Maybe 'Uncle Tom' and 'Gus' the christmas ornament would cover a larger range of outcomes. |
22:08 |
mircea_popescu |
well then we can't really say much can we. |
22:09 |
asciilifeform |
http://maxpark.com/community/4375/content/1932238 << primary sources |
22:09 |
assbot |
Арестованный №1442, он же — великий конструктор | АНТИСОВЕТСКАЯ ЛИГА ... ( http://bit.ly/1eIdf4t ) |
22:09 |
asciilifeform |
incl. letter of k. to beria |
22:09 |
asciilifeform |
re his treatment |
22:09 |
BingoBoingo |
Gus the Christmas ornament of course being one of the antagonists in the original blockbuster film |
22:10 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno that primary sources escape the suetonius objhection. |
22:10 |
mircea_popescu |
after all, he wrote with a purpose. |
22:10 |
BingoBoingo |
From an era before Whitey invented suburbia to concede sexual prowess to the african american |
| |
↖ |
22:10 |
asciilifeform |
incidentally k. did 'win from not signing the papers,' in a way. after recanting his confession (given under torture, which mutilated him in ways which ultimately led to his death) his death sentence was commuted to life-at-hard-labour |
22:10 |
asciilifeform |
(from which was eventually promoted to sharashka) |
22:17 |
decimation |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1174805 < lol software is the only game that pays |
22:17 |
assbot |
Logged on 25-06-2015 00:07:18; mircea_popescu: there's absolutely no value in software. let him steal. |
22:18 |
mircea_popescu |
yes, pays. like all knowledge. let him steal. |
22:19 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27750 @ 0.0004248 = 11.7882 BTC [+] |
22:20 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform amusingly enough, five minutes ago : |
22:20 |
mircea_popescu |
<waylow> I'm on mac so I couldn't figure out how to install the game |
22:20 |
mircea_popescu |
<mircea_popescu> oh macs. yeah that's been a pain. a binary for it is still being worked on, but it's slow going. if you have an ubuntu anywhere, from what i hear it's pretty smooth. also windows binaries work. |
22:20 |
mircea_popescu |
<waylow> I do - but it's been a while since I've run linux. no windows for me |
22:20 |
mircea_popescu |
teh exact customer you were talking about. |
22:21 |
decimation |
in theory bsd and mac should be similar |
22:22 |
decimation |
the problem is all the graphics shit |
22:22 |
mircea_popescu |
"all girls are similar until they strip" |
22:23 |
decimation |
heh |
22:23 |
decimation |
in theory you could make an X11 version if it already works on X |
22:23 |
decimation |
but performance would be shit |
22:25 |
BingoBoingo |
It's something of a pity that Mac survived and Amiga died |
22:26 |
BingoBoingo |
<decimation> in theory bsd and mac should be similar << BSD isn't all that similar to other BSD |
22:26 |
BingoBoingo |
They even all have their own libc |
22:26 |
mircea_popescu |
the difference is minute. amiga, just as bad assholes. |
22:27 |
decimation |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1174989 < https://github.com/xoreaxeaxeax/movfuscator |
22:27 |
assbot |
Logged on 25-06-2015 01:48:21; mircea_popescu: this is perhaps not painfully obvious to you on account of some version of the memory hole effect, but it can not be readily put into code, the degree of braindamage. perhaps a field full of gotos with no other instructions |
22:27 |
assbot |
xoreaxeaxeax/movfuscator · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NcNaoV ) |
22:27 |
mircea_popescu |
there's in fact a heap of identical assholes that never made it, which nobody seemsd to ever know about. |
| |
↖ |
22:27 |
decimation |
not quite goto but similar idea |
22:29 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> the difference is minute. amiga, just as bad assholes. << Sure. The biggest difference was Amiga paid more for parts on each box so they could get the niche live video production market. All the assholes, reamed on their chosen niches |
22:30 |
mircea_popescu |
http://blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?368748-New-Blender-Foundation-Transparency-Blog&p=2892923&viewfull=1#post2892923 << le lulz. |
22:30 |
assbot |
New Blender Foundation Transparency Blog - Page 16 ... ( http://bit.ly/1NcNKCV ) |
22:31 |
decimation |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175076 < actually whitey moved the black folk into the cities - to push out 'white ethnic' voting blocks |
22:31 |
assbot |
Logged on 25-06-2015 02:10:44; BingoBoingo: From an era before Whitey invented suburbia to concede sexual prowess to the african american |
22:31 |
mircea_popescu |
we find the following things suspicious : romania, paywalls, and bitcoin. |
22:33 |
BingoBoingo |
decimation: Your problem is you assume a monolithic whitey |
22:33 |
mircea_popescu |
everyone else does, why single him out for it. |
22:33 |
mircea_popescu |
whites are like the jews, amirite ? |
22:33 |
decimation |
no, I don't |
22:33 |
BingoBoingo |
Because goddammit muh culture is bein oppressed |
22:34 |
decimation |
generally 'whitey' in this case are old-fashioned anglican wasps |
22:35 |
BingoBoingo |
decimation: Only when sane pale folk say whitey. When SJW's and the lower class blacks say whitey they mean poor whites. |
22:35 |
BingoBoingo |
Mostly poor rural whites, southern optional. |
22:36 |
decimation |
and those poor whites were largely the targets of black immigration to cities |
22:36 |
decimation |
having a large block of voting catholic irish - had to be crushed |
22:36 |
BingoBoingo |
Liberal palefolk assume whitey mean Bushes, Clintons, and Rothschilds. Radical whites and non-graduating blacks assume whitey is trailer trash. |
22:36 |
trinque |
BingoBoingo | It's something of a pity that Mac survived and Amiga died << heard "microkernel wank" a couple times round here, but I was a huge BeOS fan back in the day |
22:37 |
trinque |
ultra-stable, high performance, was miles ahead of the game re: graphics in its time |
22:37 |
BingoBoingo |
trinque: BeBox was the next gen victim of Mac survival |
22:37 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175101 << there was! but it is a mistake to lump in amiga. cbm was still under delusion that it sold ~computers~ rather than 'system' (that is, complete slave planet like apple, where peripheral makers pay danegeld, etc) |
22:37 |
assbot |
Logged on 25-06-2015 02:27:05; mircea_popescu: there's in fact a heap of identical assholes that never made it, which nobody seemsd to ever know about. |
22:37 |
trinque |
BingoBoingo: yeah |
22:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53600 @ 0.0004248 = 22.7693 BTC [+] |
22:38 |
asciilifeform |
cbm shipped ~schematics~ with machines. apple sold... yes, a key, with which the 'annointed' could open the b&w mac chassis |
22:38 |
BingoBoingo |
In Motorola era Amiga crushed. In PPC era BeBox crushed |
22:39 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> cbm shipped ~schematics~ with machines. apple sold... yes, a key, with which the 'annointed' could open the b&w mac chassis << You mean apple provided a target for the drill |
22:39 |
asciilifeform |
(there were really four outfits under name 'apple' - the folks who sold apple ii series; the folks who sold 'mac' until '99; rebranded 'next corp.' under herr jobs; the present-day zombie.) |
22:39 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: point was not that it was difficult to drill. aftermarket 'keys' appeared almost immediately. point was the symbolic meaning of this abomination |
22:39 |
decimation |
note that 'next' is basically modern osx |
22:39 |
decimation |
on top of bsd |
22:40 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: pre-'next' apple is as gone as cbm |
22:40 |
decimation |
yeah |
22:40 |
asciilifeform |
there is literally no trace of it remaining. |
22:40 |
BingoBoingo |
decimation: But on top of msot weirdo bsd |
22:40 |
asciilifeform |
in any of the products sold by that firm |
22:40 |
decimation |
c64 was probably better in its day anyway |
22:40 |
mircea_popescu |
than amiga ? definitely. |
22:41 |
asciilifeform |
c64 was unthinkably good for its day. |
22:41 |
mircea_popescu |
amiga sucked about as much as apple. |
22:41 |
asciilifeform |
did mircea_popescu ever see an amiga alive ? |
22:41 |
mircea_popescu |
they stand in my mind because when i first heard of apple i thought "hey... this is like... amiga ?" |
22:41 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform yes. friend had one. |
22:41 |
asciilifeform |
compare in the flower of their youth, rather than, say, '93 when cbm was a vegetable |
22:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39982 @ 0.0004248 = 16.9844 BTC [+] |
22:42 |
asciilifeform |
ferphuxxsake amiga had what we'd call a gpu today |
22:42 |
asciilifeform |
when apple sold b&w thing |
22:42 |
mircea_popescu |
no, im comparing the amiga i knew (early 90s) to the apple i saw (late 90s onwards) |
22:42 |
asciilifeform |
and it was ~documented~ |
22:42 |
mircea_popescu |
and while i agree with you re the distinction, i believe it's without a difference. |
22:42 |
BingoBoingo |
Apple II's apple's swan song the IIGS was a great machine |
22:42 |
asciilifeform |
the difference is that cbm did not sell a cult, it sold machinery |
22:42 |
mircea_popescu |
apple managed to somehow remain THE SAME assholes in spite of changing everything around jobs |
22:42 |
* |
punkman vaguely recalls some amazing Amiga games |
22:42 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
22:42 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: c64 was cheaper than apple ii as i recall |
22:43 |
asciilifeform |
afaik cbm did not ever attempt to extort tribute from peripheral makers, or software devs |
22:43 |
asciilifeform |
nor tied user's hands in any particular way |
22:43 |
BingoBoingo |
<decimation> asciilifeform: c64 was cheaper than apple ii as i recall << c64 was easily cheaply stamped product, Amiga was not |
22:43 |
asciilifeform |
it just sold boxes. |
22:43 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform i dunno how documented it was, not caring for such thing at that age. i know however that the amiga guy never made anything like a game. |
22:43 |
mircea_popescu |
we did, they sucked, how it goes. |
22:43 |
asciilifeform |
i'm ~still~ playing amiga games now |
22:43 |
asciilifeform |
(at least was, a few yrs ago, on emul.) |
22:44 |
asciilifeform |
quite comparable to mid-90s msdos, in terms of pure technical 'effect' |
22:44 |
mircea_popescu |
eh, shitty early playstation. fuck it. |
22:44 |
* |
BingoBoingo has never found a working Apple IIGS at an acceptable price. Played with one for a bit Phree then... |
22:44 |
asciilifeform |
again, it was a computer, sold as a computer, with 'anyone can write for this' and proper docs |
22:45 |
asciilifeform |
how this can be compared to 'playstation' i cannot fathom |
22:45 |
decimation |
http://www.theamphour.com/241-an-interview-with-chuck-peddle-charismatic-chipmaking-coryphaeus/ < chuck peddle claimed that 'basic' was the real selling point of the c64 |
22:45 |
assbot |
An Interview With Chuck Peddle - Charismatic Chipmaking Coryphaeus | The Amp Hour Electronics Podcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1NcPP1U ) |
22:45 |
decimation |
he was probably right about that |
22:46 |
asciilifeform |
the death of cbm is a pretty well-documented subject, and revolved around their one and only unforgivable sin - royally pissing off their c64 install base by breaking compatibility |
22:46 |
asciilifeform |
eventually they diverted revenue into making items like 'c128' but it was too late. |
22:46 |
asciilifeform |
!s jack tramiel |
22:46 |
assbot |
5 results for 'jack tramiel' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=jack+tramiel |
22:46 |
asciilifeform |
^ iirc we had a cbm thread here |
22:47 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform well ? THAT is how. |
22:47 |
BingoBoingo |
decimation: And warm climate agricultual labor was the selling point of involuntary immigration of Africans, but only because Mestizos were too expensive at the time. |
22:47 |
decimation |
yeah the other problem was jack tramiel left |
22:48 |
decimation |
because the commodore board was full of retards apparently |
22:48 |
mircea_popescu |
in other news : apparently blender has this official "marketplace" thing, which lists various assets for sale. so I go for a 16 bucks buy, on the theory that let's check it out. coinbase, of course. my payment is uncredited. they have a support email for just this case, i write to them... my email is rejected. |
22:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43244 @ 0.00042203 = 18.2503 BTC [-] {2} |
22:49 |
mircea_popescu |
apparently I'm the shady one for not using paypal and being romanian. |
22:49 |
mircea_popescu |
running off with payments and then blocking emails is a perfectly legit strategy. |
22:49 |
mircea_popescu |
im entirely certain they actually THINK THIS, too. |
22:49 |
mircea_popescu |
"weird bad, stupid good! for weird is weird and stupid smells like the home stable!11" |
22:49 |
decimation |
^ note that thier perception of what is 'weird' is purely what usg smiles upon |
22:50 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: email rejected ? |
22:50 |
asciilifeform |
as in bounce ? |
22:50 |
trinque |
it occurs to me that the fraud dept of paypal may look very much like some soviet bureau's office did |
22:51 |
trinque |
but we're free! because anyone can have their own dismal bureaucracy |
22:51 |
trinque |
they probably have a script they go by which includes something like "third world" on it |
22:51 |
mircea_popescu |
SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<support@cgcookiemarkets.com>: |
22:52 |
mircea_popescu |
554 5.7.1 ACL dns_rbl; Client host [188.68.240.159] blocked using |
22:52 |
mircea_popescu |
sa-ip4tset.blagr.emailsrvr.com=127.26.0.2 Cloudmark CSI. Please visit |
22:52 |
mircea_popescu |
http://csi.cloudmark.com/reset-request for more information on why this message |
22:52 |
assbot |
CSI IP Reputation Remediation Portal ... ( http://bit.ly/1NcQMqX ) |
22:52 |
mircea_popescu |
could not be delivered |
22:52 |
mircea_popescu |
the odds of me "visiting" some random agent in the "danegeld to email" scamring ? zilch. |
22:52 |
mircea_popescu |
interesting how the twerps keep changing name, too. i don't seem to recall this particular extortionist. |
22:52 |
decimation |
"The disagreement between Tramiel and Gould was so bitter that, after Tramiel's departure, the Commodore magazine was forbidden to state any of Tramiel's famous sayings or even mention his name." |
22:52 |
asciilifeform |
jwz! |
22:52 |
asciilifeform |
(y'know, the fella who said 'why aren'tcha using gmail, terrorist') |
22:53 |
mircea_popescu |
well not exactly. he was more into the "why should i punish google for google fucking up my email ?!?!?! i just want email to work!!11" |
22:53 |
asciilifeform |
phun phakt: tramiel sat in auschwitz. |
22:53 |
decimation |
!s damnatio memoriae |
22:53 |
assbot |
7 results for 'damnatio memoriae' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=damnatio+memoriae |
22:54 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: not auschwitz, Ahlem according to la wik |
22:54 |
decimation |
ah no he started in auschwitz |
22:54 |
mircea_popescu |
meanwhile irl, Checking 188.68.240.159 against 95 known blacklists... Listed 0 times with 0 timeouts |
22:54 |
decimation |
"Like many other inmates, his father was reported to have died of typhus in the work camp; however, Tramiel believed he was killed by an injection of gasoline. " nasty |
22:54 |
mircea_popescu |
the world totally needs 95 of these things. |
22:55 |
asciilifeform |
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/apr/12/local/la-me-jack-tramiel-20120412 << tramiel didn't give a rat's arse re: computing 'big picture.' he was running a manufacturing concern, in the old 19th. sense in his mind, complete with 'muntzing' |
22:55 |
assbot |
Jack Tramiel obituary: Founder of Commodore computers dies at 83 - latimes ... ( http://bit.ly/1NcReWb ) |
22:55 |
punkman |
did the qntra spam affect the other domains too? |
22:55 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: the electronics industry is still largely in that mode |
22:55 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx << not really. |
22:55 |
assbot |
Network Tools: DNS,IP,Email ... ( http://bit.ly/1NcRhBh ) |
22:55 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: if only. the 'intellectual property!!!111!!!!!' cancer has eaten most of it |
22:56 |
asciilifeform |
go and try getting full docs for anything larger than a full adder. |
22:56 |
decimation |
heh yeah |
22:56 |
decimation |
what I mean is that intel, for instance, just puts all their chips on the 'let's shrink dies' side |
22:56 |
decimation |
no one is re-thinking big picture |
22:57 |
decimation |
not that we would know it anyway, because of the nda problem |
22:57 |
asciilifeform |
actually the thing they put 'all their chips' is collaboration with microshit and the entire criminal pyramid |
22:57 |
asciilifeform |
the 'shrink dies' thing is pure sideshow. |
22:57 |
decimation |
it yields a few percent per year |
22:57 |
asciilifeform |
it is done ~solely~ so that microshit gets to release winblows $year |
22:58 |
asciilifeform |
with 20% more empty loops |
22:58 |
asciilifeform |
and 'indian' code |
22:58 |
decimation |
note that microsoft has dropped price of windows to $0 |
22:58 |
decimation |
even though it's really worth negative |
22:58 |
asciilifeform |
eventually will have to pay folks to touch it |
22:58 |
mircea_popescu |
and they will. |
22:58 |
mircea_popescu |
perfect way for the living wage introduction. |
22:59 |
decimation |
the only thing I use winblows for is to record tv shows, because they give free listing service |
22:59 |
mircea_popescu |
"pay people to use windows, to better technologee" |
22:59 |
decimation |
this was dropped in new windwos |
22:59 |
mircea_popescu |
exact equivalent of mcdonalds |
22:59 |
mircea_popescu |
which is the eventual fate of all government agencies. |
22:59 |
mircea_popescu |
fed to pleb fake money conveyor. |
22:59 |
asciilifeform |
this is already happening. but, as william gibson wrote, 'the future is here, but not evenly distributed.' |
22:59 |
mircea_popescu |
right |
22:59 |
asciilifeform |
i have winblows box. solely to run malware. which is one of the things i am paid for. |
22:59 |
decimation |
heh |
22:59 |
asciilifeform |
so in effect i am 'paid to touch it' |
23:00 |
mircea_popescu |
and you will be telling me about how hard it is to escape, right, because moving off windows will require "someone to provide the lost income" |
23:00 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: you almost need real metal box, because of all the vm detection |
23:00 |
mircea_popescu |
and i will just nod and carry on. |
23:00 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: aha |
23:00 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: of course they are specially designated physical boxes. |
23:00 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: i actually work for a firm which builds computers solely for this purpose |
23:01 |
asciilifeform |
believe or not. |
23:01 |
decimation |
ideally someone would make one with a button to freeze and dump all registers |
23:01 |
asciilifeform |
and guess what. |
23:01 |
mircea_popescu |
this must exist. |
23:01 |
asciilifeform |
it does. |
23:01 |
asciilifeform |
i built it. |
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23:01 |
mircea_popescu |
haha cool. |
23:01 |
decimation |
I believe it, you could make lots of headway against malware if you can control its hardware environment |
23:01 |
mats |
would love to read that secret sauce |
23:01 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: thing is, we discovered that not many folks are really eager to 'make headway against malware' |
23:02 |
asciilifeform |
they just want to collect the bezzle |
23:02 |
mats |
have dreamed of a usable reversible debugger for many moons |
23:02 |
mircea_popescu |
curious if mats gets hired now. |
23:02 |
decimation |
sure, why bother actually finding malware when people will pay you to pretend |
23:02 |
asciilifeform |
not many ~want~ to find |
23:02 |
asciilifeform |
because when you ~find~ strange, now you have to properly reverse it, document... |
23:02 |
asciilifeform |
and then it turns out to be usg-authored, and then what |
23:02 |
asciilifeform |
(who pays?) |
23:02 |
decimation |
heh |
23:03 |
decimation |
you could sell to another arm of usg |
23:03 |
asciilifeform |
so far, they ain't buying. |
23:03 |
mircea_popescu |
o yeah. definitely already here but not evenly distributed. |
23:03 |
mircea_popescu |
usg on usg love. |
23:03 |
asciilifeform |
for same reason, e.g., microshit isn't |
23:04 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: a large reason why this problem exists is becuase you can't sue microsoft for damaging your shit |
23:04 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: naturally |
23:04 |
mircea_popescu |
o yea. |
23:04 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: but only proximately. |
23:04 |
mats |
externalizing costs is how software engineers have jobs |
23:04 |
asciilifeform |
yes, they exempted software 'industry' from ~all~ consumer liability laws in '80s. |
23:04 |
asciilifeform |
but if only this. since then, an entire class of vermin sprang up |
23:04 |
asciilifeform |
who pretend to 'write software' |
23:04 |
mats |
much unlike a civil engineer responsible for faulty bridgeworks... |
23:04 |
decimation |
and now the 'rats run the ship' |
23:05 |
asciilifeform |
the notion that any kind of animal is even possible other than rat, is held to be a lunatic fringe thing |
23:05 |
decimation |
even simple programmers know what it would take to write bug-free code |
23:05 |
decimation |
about 100x less 'production' and 100x more 'thinking' |
23:06 |
decimation |
in fact, to even seriously consider writing software for which you are liable is to instantly consider dumping the existing c-machine |
23:07 |
mats |
while i'm on the subject here is there useful reversible debugging you're aware of, asciilifeform? |
23:07 |
mats |
gdb can kinda do it, but its slow and buggy. |
23:07 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: the folks who have 'must work' as hard requirement still prefer the whole 'spend ten years with magnifying glass' to 'rethink computing' |
23:07 |
mats |
rr is neat but limited... reversedb is limited to linux. |
23:07 |
mircea_popescu |
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/572468782057013248/WtdCdJXG_400x400.jpeg << /me notices how this guy is always in this quad double-dating sort of situation, but apparently always with a different gal. |
23:07 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1NcT5tU ) |
23:07 |
mats |
vmware got rid of record/replay after vmware 7 |
23:07 |
mircea_popescu |
swingin' london. |
23:07 |
asciilifeform |
mats: what, precisely, do you need reverse-gear for ? |
23:08 |
asciilifeform |
mats: what's wrong with rewinding by running proggy again |
23:08 |
mircea_popescu |
mats gdb is what eulora uses if that makes you feel any better. |
23:08 |
asciilifeform |
to whatever breakpoint |
23:08 |
mats |
slow |
23:08 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: gdb is what the entire free world uses |
23:08 |
asciilifeform |
at least in one form or another |
23:08 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: my own experience is that it's way more difficult to paper over shitty hardware in software than to make reliable hardware |
23:08 |
mats |
i want to easily see the values of all registers (as noted before) including bit flags, fp registers, ... |
23:08 |
asciilifeform |
mats: my favourite graphical skin on gdb is... ida. |
23:08 |
asciilifeform |
yes, ida. |
23:08 |
mats |
figures |
23:08 |
mircea_popescu |
ha |
23:09 |
decimation |
mats: you could probably do this with valgrind too |
23:09 |
asciilifeform |
it speaks 100% compliant gdb wire protocol |
23:09 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: valgrind is not a debugger |
23:09 |
decimation |
yeah but it does emulate x86, I gotta think someone has integrated debug |
23:09 |
asciilifeform |
mno. doesn't emulate anything |
23:09 |
asciilifeform |
must be confusing it with somethig else? |
23:10 |
asciilifeform |
mats: ida is a total monopoly on the kind of thing that it is, bar none. i don't know of any other product category anywhere in modern industry where there is ~ONE~ thing |
23:10 |
asciilifeform |
possibly 'mpex' |
23:10 |
asciilifeform |
that's pretty much it. |
23:10 |
asciilifeform |
the two of them. |
23:10 |
decimation |
ah yeah http://valgrind.org/docs/manual/manual-core-adv.html#manual-core-adv.gdbserver |
23:10 |
assbot |
Valgrind ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jk8H14 ) |
23:10 |
mats |
asciilifeform: i don't have anything specific in mind. have been developing my talents in exploitation but i'm kind of stuck as to how to move forward |
23:11 |
decimation |
but anway if you want to reverse software you need ida |
23:11 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: whatddayaknow, there is emulator. |
23:11 |
asciilifeform |
neato |
23:11 |
mats |
asciilifeform: i should probably sign up to be jr malware analyst or some such thing. |
23:11 |
asciilifeform |
mats: if you have the stomach ! |
23:11 |
decimation |
mats: i think there's a free version of ida for download |
23:11 |
decimation |
ancient |
23:11 |
mats |
i'm from the internets, why settle for free |
23:11 |
decimation |
well, I'm also sure there's warez too |
23:11 |
mats |
plenty of working license files floating |
23:12 |
mats |
or however that works. |
23:12 |
asciilifeform |
reasonably recent ida (having, e.g., 'hexray' plugin, more or less mandatory, and support for weird cpus, etc) is notoriously scarce on warez |
23:12 |
asciilifeform |
why? story is: irfan guilfanov builds custom copy for each buyer. |
23:13 |
asciilifeform |
who 'leaks' - is damned publicly and never dealt with again, has to buy support via shills |
23:13 |
decimation |
heh |
23:13 |
asciilifeform |
ilfak guilfanov. |
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23:13 |
mircea_popescu |
if only the guy could join teh wot. |
23:13 |
asciilifeform |
ask'im |
23:13 |
asciilifeform |
but iirc he sold the firm years ago |
23:13 |
mircea_popescu |
i dun know 'im |
23:13 |
asciilifeform |
now sits in belgium, angry |
23:13 |
decimation |
this sounds like the best mechanism for trying to enforce 'copyright' I've heard of |
23:14 |
mats |
its pretty easy to say 'well i got hacked plz gief another one' |
23:14 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: I bet you could control valgrind gdb with ida |
23:14 |
mircea_popescu |
mats same could be said re btc. |
23:14 |
decimation |
set breakpoints on mem leaks, etc |
23:14 |
asciilifeform |
the folks who own it now are profoundly aware of their position. you pretty much have to beg repeatedly to so much as be given an address to which to mail the cheque |
23:14 |
asciilifeform |
to buy a copy |
23:15 |
asciilifeform |
mats: 'got hacked' gets same treatment as 'leaked deliberately' |
23:15 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform maybe wot is the pill to no longer be angry. |
23:15 |
asciilifeform |
maybe |
23:15 |
* |
asciilifeform doesn't know the chap personally, can't help find him |
23:15 |
* |
mircea_popescu waves in the general direction of the ethers |
23:15 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: once you add a few more zeros to your bank account, probably can't be bothered with a few extra $k |
23:15 |
asciilifeform |
incidentally, 'ida' is a beast quite like 'bitcoind' |
23:15 |
mircea_popescu |
so i hear. |
23:15 |
asciilifeform |
terrible, monumentally stinking cpp turd |
23:16 |
asciilifeform |
to which there is no realistic alternative |
23:16 |
mircea_popescu |
/you are not expected to understand this |
23:16 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: understand, every 'legit' corp. on the planet which employs reverse-engineers, incl. the arms of usg, buys ida. |
23:16 |
mats |
most of the serious dudes i know have non-attributed ida licenses |
23:16 |
asciilifeform |
sure. |
23:17 |
mats |
which can be easily done by setting up a shell corp, or just lie. |
23:17 |
asciilifeform |
didn't say they buy one for each man! |
23:17 |
decimation |
why bother with attribution? |
23:17 |
asciilifeform |
thing is, it's attributed whether it displays your name or not |
23:18 |
decimation |
yeah, unless you are sending envelope of cash, he has your checking account |
23:18 |
asciilifeform |
vendor knows for whom the build (with particular order of static linked internals, etc) was built |
23:18 |
asciilifeform |
to really deal with this, would have to obtain a number of builds, and unravel the scheme |
23:18 |
asciilifeform |
afaik no one has ever bothered (why?) |
23:19 |
decimation |
because it would be like paying for the sun |
23:20 |
asciilifeform |
phun phakt: ~explotable~ crashes have been discovered in (some versions of) ida. |
23:20 |
asciilifeform |
*exploitable |
23:21 |
decimation |
as in, malicious? |
23:21 |
decimation |
or as in, can be exploited if reversing the wrong warez? |
23:21 |
asciilifeform |
as in arbitrary code exec as result of crafted sample |
23:21 |
decimation |
heh |
23:22 |
asciilifeform |
this did not annoy folks as much as it should have because until recently (linux ver. is new) everyone ran it on a designated turdbox with the other wincrap |
23:22 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: if you had a winblows computer for malware, it would also be useful to hit another button and display a complete diff between running state and 'known good' state |
23:22 |
asciilifeform |
...and guess what.. |
23:23 |
decimation |
and a third button that reverts machine to known state |
23:23 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9958 @ 0.00041107 = 4.0934 BTC [-] |
23:23 |
asciilifeform |
and guess what. |
23:23 |
decimation |
already implemented? |
23:23 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
23:24 |
decimation |
on a vaguely related note, I found an amusing show on 'the weather channel' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1gZSNdkajY |
23:24 |
assbot |
Prospectors | S01E01 | Breaking the Dry Spell - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NcVGEr ) |
23:24 |
asciilifeform |
a bit oversimplified description, but yes, we make this. |
23:24 |
decimation |
apparently there are people who spend their time trying to find minerals on federal land |
23:25 |
asciilifeform |
l0l what do they get? tax break ? |
23:25 |
decimation |
but since nobody is printing crystals, etc they can make $$ |
23:25 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: no mainly through nobody's doing, apparently it is still legal in the us to 'claim' federal land for mining |
23:25 |
decimation |
land open to this is mainly west of the mississippi |
23:25 |
asciilifeform |
wait till somebody finds something worth stealing |
23:26 |
asciilifeform |
then - poof. |
23:26 |
decimation |
yeah that's a whole episode |
23:26 |
decimation |
trying to get usg to care about your 'property rights' |
23:26 |
asciilifeform |
see and i didn't even need to watch it |
23:27 |
decimation |
in fact, it seems to me that claiming the land is counterproductive, just because it shows 'where to dig' |
23:27 |
decimation |
although it keeps the big obvious infringers off 'your' land |
23:28 |
asciilifeform |
why would i care ~which~ thief steals everything from me ? |
23:28 |
asciilifeform |
what difference if usg, or chinese emperor |
23:28 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: depends if thief is using hand ax or 300 ton earthmover |
23:30 |
decimation |
I saw a real-life gold mine the other day, saw a truck carrying 300 tons of rock |
23:30 |
decimation |
was about 20 ft wide and 40 ft tall |
23:30 |
decimation |
like house moving down the road |
23:30 |
asciilifeform |
back to the debug thing (because imho it is very educational) - it is very difficult to sell something which actually solves a problem, on account of the whole meatwot thing |
23:31 |
asciilifeform |
it is just like the 'programmers' thread from hour ago |
23:31 |
asciilifeform |
you get to an 'uncanny valley' effect where the better the thing works, the worse off you are, because 'not believable' |
23:31 |
decimation |
that and everyone copies |
23:31 |
asciilifeform |
and it can even come to where you have to lie, understate capability of product, even |
23:31 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00041107 = 11.5922 BTC [-] |
23:32 |
asciilifeform |
and copies. so you're stuck where you end up selling time on the machine, in somewhat circumscribed use cases |
23:32 |
asciilifeform |
because if you actually sell the thing full-bore, you are now 'asking money for the sun' |
23:33 |
decimation |
the apple model is to try to convert your software into hardware |
23:33 |
asciilifeform |
the apple model works if you're usg |
23:33 |
asciilifeform |
and have crown franchise to do the whole schmuck-herding thing |
23:33 |
asciilifeform |
where your idiocies have the force of law |
23:34 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: kinda related are the eda tools for designing chips |
23:34 |
asciilifeform |
100% usg-controlled |
23:34 |
asciilifeform |
afaik. |
23:34 |
decimation |
well, they are also useless if you don't have $1mil to get 'note from stalin' to make chips |
23:35 |
decimation |
and that's for one iteration |
23:35 |
asciilifeform |
typically takes a dozen or more. |
23:35 |
asciilifeform |
(iterations) |
23:35 |
asciilifeform |
at least, once did |
23:35 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: you might find this guy mildly interesting http://www.theamphour.com/254-an-interview-with-andreas-olofsson-adatevas-ampliative-abacus/ |
23:35 |
assbot |
An Interview with Andreas Olofsson - Adateva's Ampliative Abacus | The Amp Hour Electronics Podcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jkakvz ) |
23:35 |
decimation |
he describes this process |
23:36 |
decimation |
tried to sell 'new processor' idea on kickstarter, ended up hating kickstarter |
23:36 |
asciilifeform |
afaik those folks are arm licensees |
23:36 |
asciilifeform |
ergo, did not design 'new processor' |
23:36 |
asciilifeform |
but just 'riff on old tune' |
23:36 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: no, they use arm for board i/o control |
23:36 |
asciilifeform |
hm. |
23:37 |
decimation |
but they have their own silicon to perform dsp 'MAC' operation |
23:37 |
decimation |
the guy was a dsp designer and became disillusioned by all the shit that was stuffed into dsp chip |
23:38 |
asciilifeform |
wake me up when somebody bakes a turing-complete gadget with no winblows used ANYWHERE in the brain-to-silicon road |
23:38 |
asciilifeform |
(other than chuck moore. who did this, yes. but he is old, and not sure if his thing is even still made) |
23:38 |
decimation |
apparently it uses opencl program |
23:38 |
asciilifeform |
then turd firmly cemented in. |
23:38 |
decimation |
I think chuck moore's 'colorforth' runs on windows |
23:38 |
asciilifeform |
it runs on whatever |
23:38 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119292 @ 0.00040964 = 48.8668 BTC [-] {3} |
23:38 |
asciilifeform |
incl. bare z80 |
23:38 |
asciilifeform |
iirc |
23:39 |
asciilifeform |
point is, he 'licenses' nothing. |
23:39 |
decimation |
I tried to use it once, confusing as hell and also barely documented |
23:39 |
asciilifeform |
100% own-code |
23:39 |
asciilifeform |
right, why document when you know all of it |
23:39 |
asciilifeform |
because 1 user. |
23:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42850 @ 0.00041054 = 17.5916 BTC [+] |
23:39 |
decimation |
yeah the same podcast interviewed vic antonic fellow, who was serb who made his own 8-bit computer back in the 80's |
23:40 |
asciilifeform |
i have no idea what funds 'greenarrays' |
23:40 |
asciilifeform |
perhaps it's his personal coin from sofa cushions. |
23:40 |
asciilifeform |
the silicon equivalent of 'vanity press authors' |
23:40 |
decimation |
he said that he felt when writing anything higher-level than assembly, he feels like the code 'isn't his own' |
23:40 |
asciilifeform |
and he's right. |
23:40 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: the greenarrays site seems to imply they are in production |
23:41 |
decimation |
who knows how long they will last before they dry up and blow away |
23:41 |
asciilifeform |
who buys, last i saw, was a mystery |
23:41 |
asciilifeform |
perhaps mircea_popescu, to run his bitcoind-in-forth |
23:41 |
asciilifeform |
perhaps some other mircea_popescu |
23:41 |
asciilifeform |
('not shakespeare, but man by the same name') |
23:41 |
decimation |
probably some arm of usg |
23:42 |
asciilifeform |
if usg, probably just buying it to sink in the ocean |
23:42 |
decimation |
nah, probably because someone who knew what they were doing made it work |
23:42 |
decimation |
now usg is stuck forever |
23:42 |
asciilifeform |
like symbolics lispm. |
23:42 |
decimation |
precisely |
23:42 |
asciilifeform |
(there's one lab at ft. something-or-other that has ~eternal~ support contract with symbolics co.) |
23:43 |
decimation |
usg 'collects' technology in exactly this way |
23:43 |
asciilifeform |
this is public. |
23:43 |
decimation |
mainly through its defense-contract departments like lockheed, etc |
23:44 |
trinque |
asciilifeform: it just clicked into place that these computers are precisely those field radios, as you pointed out. |
23:44 |
asciilifeform |
i'd be surprised if archaeologists ever turn up a 'greenarrays' in usg gear |
23:44 |
asciilifeform |
but stranger things have happened |
23:44 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: the parallella guy was complaining that fpgas have 'eaten' the dsp market |
23:45 |
asciilifeform |
of course. whole point of dsp was for 'annoyingly custom' problems |
23:45 |
decimation |
and he did confirm that it costs about $1m to do a chip rev, if you go through the fab's preferred 'agents' |
23:46 |
decimation |
apparently his eda tools were a special 'deal' for startups, with the understanding that he pays later |
23:46 |
asciilifeform |
the other things, that $m is pure sunk cost if what you get in the post is a dud that doesn't even power |
23:46 |
asciilifeform |
which is not unheard of |
23:46 |
decimation |
yep, he did 4 revs |
23:46 |
decimation |
tried to simulate on fpga as best as he could |
23:46 |
decimation |
apparently they make massive 64-way fgpa boards to simulate a full chip |
23:47 |
asciilifeform |
more. |
23:47 |
asciilifeform |
up to 'refrigerator' size |
23:47 |
decimation |
which cost ~$100k themselves |
23:47 |
decimation |
or more |
23:47 |
asciilifeform |
100k is 'cheap' |
23:47 |
asciilifeform |
multi-$m is normal |
23:47 |
asciilifeform |
plus 'support' |
23:47 |
asciilifeform |
not really sold in the usual sense. more of a lease, like the old ibm mainframes |
23:47 |
decimation |
and note that doesn't help you completely with silicon, as you have pointed out before |
23:48 |
asciilifeform |
and god help you if your thing has to interact with components that you can't simulate (because you didn't design them, and what, other vendor is going to share its logic? dream) |
23:49 |
decimation |
plus third party 'ip cores' |
23:49 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
23:49 |
asciilifeform |
the whole 'chip business' is in many ways ~inherently usgizing~ |
23:49 |
asciilifeform |
because there is no way to effectively amortize the astronomical costs without running a scam of one kind or another. |
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23:50 |
asciilifeform |
ideally - a scam directly on the folks who print money |
23:50 |
decimation |
yeah he said that his business is very difficult because any kind of processing that he could do with his chip - can be done with a specialized asic |
23:50 |
asciilifeform |
why would folks who print money buy a device for saving a little money ? |
23:50 |
asciilifeform |
the basic dilemma here |
23:50 |
decimation |
so for any kind of an open standard - it is impossible for 'generic' solution to beat specialized asic |
23:51 |
decimation |
thus, closed-turd asic eats everything |
23:51 |
asciilifeform |
only thing it can beat it on is cost, and the folks who give a fuck re: cost can't afford ~it~ either. |
23:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48017 @ 0.00040741 = 19.5626 BTC [-] {2} |
23:52 |
decimation |
it's the hardware equivilant for the software phenomenon - first turd to market wins |
23:53 |
decimation |
hardware in general makes so little money it's a wonder anyone even bothers |
23:54 |
asciilifeform |
because it is necessary to enable other rackets |
23:54 |
asciilifeform |
'wintel' gets to exist for strictly, strictly that |
23:54 |
decimation |
yeah, good point |
23:54 |
decimation |
it becomes a vanity project for those who can print money |
23:54 |
decimation |
which is pretty much silicon valley |
23:55 |
asciilifeform |
this is why i believe that the discovery of integrated circuit was a serious 'degutenbergization' from which we have not even begun to recover. |
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23:55 |
decimation |
yeah and the 'die shrink' has only made things worse |
23:56 |
asciilifeform |
ic put the mega-org (in practice, arm of the state) in the driver's seat in much the same way as nukes once did (if you ask mircea_popescu) or still do |
23:57 |
asciilifeform |
even ~neglecting die shrink~ |
23:57 |
asciilifeform |
no one makes 'intel 4004' in their kitchen any more than he can make 'pentium' |
23:57 |
decimation |
yeah, it is a real problem for society when you literally need 10's to 100's of $bil to even try to 'make new ideas' |
23:58 |
decimation |
so everyone derps in playground that can be had for $1k |
23:58 |
asciilifeform |
in practice, it means that, e.g., cpu world is as conservative as ancient egypt |
23:59 |
asciilifeform |
where archs that would look entirely familiar to folks in 1960s are still considered 'state of the art' |
23:59 |
asciilifeform |
because literally no one can afford to take a risk |
23:59 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: nearly all the 'evolution' in modern cpus can be considered to be reincarnating things ibm did in the 60's |