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00:00 trinque good place for scientist types to ponder; makes sense
00:00 decimation the trouble is they still must eat
00:00 asciilifeform so long as the thing you like to do can be done in front of a computer in a converted broom closet - you're in heaven.
00:00 asciilifeform until the funding runs out
00:00 decimation one can hardly raise a family in the wash dc area for $80k
00:00 asciilifeform family no, reasonable monastic existence - yes
00:01 decimation yeah, I buy that, good job for someone 'married to work'
00:01 asciilifeform actually not at all
00:01 asciilifeform good job for someone who doesn't give half a flying fuck about work.
00:01 decimation heh good point
00:02 decimation what's conquest's third law?
00:02 asciilifeform didn't require selling soul or keeping secrets, either
00:02 asciilifeform everything we did was printed in academitard rags
00:02 decimation "The simplest way to explain the behavior of any bureaucratic organization is to assume that it is controlled by a cabal of its enemies. "
00:03 decimation asciilifeform: that sounds like a nice life, as long as you can work on what you want and aren't bothered by paperwork
00:05 asciilifeform it was.
00:06 mats so what i'm hearing is i should apply to be a clerk at the patent office
00:06 asciilifeform mats: heavens no. they make you work!
00:06 asciilifeform like post office!
00:06 decimation mats: go read glassdoor
00:06 asciilifeform complete with quotas
00:06 mats o
00:06 decimation yeah it's terrible work
00:06 asciilifeform uspto is self-funded
00:06 asciilifeform (like post office.)
00:06 decimation unless you minimize your time there to become a patent lawyer
00:06 asciilifeform bad, bad usg to work for.
00:06 trinque I'm blessed I suppose by seeing software as only incidental to business
00:06 trinque or any other such thing
00:07 trinque I think I'd kill myself at any govt agency
00:07 mats i enjoyed .mil service for this reason
00:07 mats got a lot of college courses and personal projects done in my downtime
00:08 asciilifeform mats: from my perch, it looks more like patent office (i.e. actual work) than the other kind
00:08 mats and during work hours when not out playing fuck fuck games
00:08 asciilifeform what good is downtime if it's in afghan with 300 baud modem-over-dead-goat
00:08 trinque what's a social institution that works for this?
00:09 trinque uber-wealthy king that funds research?
00:09 mats my biggest regret is not going to afghan
00:09 mats should've enlisted sooner
00:09 asciilifeform mats: but presumably not because of the high-quality ways to spend time off work there ?
00:09 mats well no.
00:09 decimation asciilifeform: if stuck on base, you got a burger king, they are apparently universal
00:10 asciilifeform decimation: being locked in a castle where quality food means 'burger king' sounds like my mental picture of jail
00:10 mats lol
00:10 mats i had a whopper this week and couldn't finish it
00:11 decimation asciilifeform: yeah I think that's kinda the idea
00:11 trinque it's not even food.
00:11 decimation your alternative is mystery meat from local orc
00:11 asciilifeform mats: one time when i was out of work for many months, i applied to be a... sysadmin in afghan. but was rejected, with polite letter that 'you gotta already be in the army.' for some reason this was not stated in the wanted ad.
00:12 mats lol
00:12 decimation asciilifeform: actually it would be interesting to be a russian speaker there
00:12 mats where did you find ad? usajobs?
00:12 decimation I bet you would find all kinds of obscure and interesting facts
00:12 asciilifeform decimation: the office next to mine at old work was inhabited by a russian fella. with rank of major.
00:12 trinque heh, I bet the locals would love a russian speaker around.
00:12 asciilifeform (warrant officer, naturally, will never go near a war)
00:13 asciilifeform mats: some snakepit. perhaps one of these. can't recall presently
00:13 decimation major isn't warrant officer, that's field grade
00:13 asciilifeform perhaps i am thinking of wrong term here
00:14 asciilifeform what is it called in usa when you are nominally an officer, but only because you had ph.d. when you put on the uniform
00:14 asciilifeform and never sent to command anything
00:14 * asciilifeform checks dictionary. 'warrant officer'
00:15 decimation heh
00:15 decimation in the army 'warrant officer' is a specific rank
00:15 asciilifeform hm.
00:15 mats asciilifeform: sometimes regular officer
00:15 decimation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrant_officer_%28United_States%29
00:15 assbot Warrant officer (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1MH3G0N )
00:15 mats through 'direct commission' e.g. med corps seeking doctors, nurses, other health professionals
00:16 mats also JAG
00:16 decimation yeah, they are 'officers' mostly in pay scale only
00:16 decimation I think they do a few weeks of basic
00:16 asciilifeform not only pay, but 'caste'
00:16 asciilifeform (e.g., he eats with officers, avoids beatings, etc)
00:16 decimation yeah, still get the 'customs and courtesies'
00:16 decimation lol beatings
00:16 asciilifeform is even permitted to grow fat
00:17 mats ha, yes.
00:17 mats get a 'walking profile' so you don't even hafta run the distance in fitness test.
00:17 mats is a vigorous walk but still... always made me chuckle.
00:17 * asciilifeform wonders where mats met these in the proper army
00:17 trinque my googling suggests it depends on the service
00:18 mats warrant officers
00:18 decimation asciilifeform: I've seen recruiters for medical folks for this kind of position
00:18 mats i spent some time loaned out like lawnmower
00:19 asciilifeform mats: i wonder when usa will adopt the ancient ru tradition of commanders 'borrowing' entire regiments to build their country houses, chop wood, etc.
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00:19 asciilifeform i imagine it will materialize when the nominal 'civilian control over army' evaporates
00:20 decimation asciilifeform: they used to do exactly this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapidan_Camp
00:20 assbot Rapidan Camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0BNT8 )
00:20 trinque order of magnitude or so of inflation I'd guess
00:20 decimation "The Marine Corps provided construction labor as a "military exercise."
00:20 asciilifeform l0l
00:20 decimation but that was 1929
00:20 asciilifeform and for potus
00:20 decimation today every labor union in the country would be up in arms
00:21 asciilifeform but not when mexicans build?
00:21 asciilifeform mexicans - 'a-ok' ; soldiers - no ?
00:21 decimation they are a class that is privledged with construction
00:21 mats all the joes would piss and moan, good luck getting anything done when they take smoke breaks every hour
00:21 decimation ^ yeah they probably would do a shit job
00:22 decimation a pro mexican (or in your area salvadoran) framing team can frame a house in a day
00:22 asciilifeform mats: they have not yet invented beating-the-shit-out in u.s. army ?
00:22 mats its a new, softer army
00:22 asciilifeform l0lrmy
00:22 decimation asciilifeform: I think they gave that up in the 90's
00:22 mats old traditions are alive in select groups
00:22 * asciilifeform bbl
00:22 mats ranger regiment does it informally to clear out trash
00:22 trinque I spent a couple summers on air force bases in texas in the jrotc thing
00:23 trinque the officers on base seemed like college bros
00:23 trinque angry, pissy, well dressed college bros, but nonetheless
00:23 mats because they are
00:23 trinque did not enlist
00:23 decimation well, technically officers are commissioned, not enlisted
00:24 trinque did not enofficer either
00:24 mats hes doing it wrong again
00:24 decimation it's all bullshit anyway, why bother with the distinction
00:25 decimation some grunt who has done honest work surely outranks some ditz with a degree in english
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00:26 mats dunno that i agree with that
00:26 mats somebody has got to drive the bus and another to read the map
00:27 decimation sure, but in centuries past the distinction was based on nobility vs. commoners
00:27 mats is this not the case?
00:28 mats going to college is a privilege
00:28 decimation heh
00:29 decimation I suppose what I am getting at is that having any kind of distinction at all flies in the face of usg's egalitarian sermonizing
00:31 mats i get it
00:33 decimation actually the fact that usg is weirdly reactionary is probably the only thing holding it together
00:35 mats i do not enjoy this game of catching the falling knife
00:35 mats where i remain resident in US
00:35 mats exciting, yes, healthy, no
00:36 * mats also off
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00:55 mircea_popescu "Brian Krebs, who talks about the weird symbiotic relationship he has with the criminal underworld" orly ?
00:55 mircea_popescu can i has break now, plox gimme.
00:56 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158726 <<< yeah, the pact two lamers made to proclaim each other cool is "a done deal". one nobody cares about, shillatron efforts notwithstanding.
00:56 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 03:06:53; asciilifeform: eff lobbyist who tells us that 'wassenar is a done deal, all that can be done is to litigate some of the edges off'
00:58 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158741 <--> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157787
00:58 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 03:16:13; asciilifeform: e.g., did bernard von nothaus get on front of nyt? why not?
00:58 assbot Logged on 09-06-2015 13:07:45; mircea_popescu: i will also observe that s.mg launches much awaited bitcoin's mmorpg, usg.agitprop is silent ; "blockstream" launches "much awaited" (by whom ?) nothing at all, the wsj seems compelled to write it up within the hour.
00:59 mircea_popescu "As of 11-JAN-2015, this post has now been read by over 30,000 people." << wrong metric, i guess.
01:01 mircea_popescu asciilifeform in fairness... rp oliver dude was beyond kooky. seriously, soviet conspiraci ?
01:14 mircea_popescu by the way, the history of the "national alliance" is one of the top keks in kook history. so, nazi-like thing created in the 70s by a physics prof. he died cca 2000. appointed successor some random schmuck, who managed to lose pretty much everyone's support over the ensuing decade. some other schmuck eventualy staged a coop. schmuck #1 declares fuhrerprinzip refuses to yield. most of the membership follows schmuck #2,
01:14 mircea_popescu because hey, new schmuck!!11
01:15 mircea_popescu except he gets nabbed for child pr0nz and perhaps underage rape. so organization goes back to schmuck #1, who now quits, because he had just married a stripper and "needs to spend time with his family", presumably servicing the black cock she's bringing home.
01:15 mircea_popescu http://www.erikasnydermakeup.com/about.html << she's now a "freelance make up artist" and none of the schmucks were ever heard from again.
01:15 assbot About ... ( http://bit.ly/1KUoeSc )
01:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44500 @ 0.00035971 = 16.0071 BTC [+]
01:31 mircea_popescu 29-MAY-2002: Michel Houellebecq charged with inciting racial hatred for stating, in an interview, that Islam was “the most stupid of all religions”.
01:31 mircea_popescu lol k. houellebecq is a ways from being purged.
01:32 mircea_popescu fallaci nigh-on got national funerals when she died mid 2000s
01:33 mircea_popescu not a very good list this. a collection of derps (middle school teacher, seriously ?!) and reasonably known people who had little to nothing to do.
01:35 mircea_popescu the import of "derp" is noted tho, good for haus.
01:46 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158770 <<< yeah, hiring, sure. as long as you can put up with being paid in confederate money while being stuck with fastfood management, it's hiring.
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01:46 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 03:38:39; asciilifeform: handle's usg is hiring.
01:46 mircea_popescu every pimp in baltimore is hiring on the same terms.
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01:46 mircea_popescu job prolly a lot more fun, even without lube.
01:48 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158783 << inb4 "no, the ~OTHER~ DoD". because ya know.
01:48 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 03:40:40; trinque: the "they" that's smart enough to kill 'em is dumb enough to http://betanews.com/2013/01/03/windows-8-is-good-enough-for-the-us-department-of-defense/
01:49 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158799 << no, no, the OTHER nsa.
01:49 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 03:45:11; decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/NSA-Salaries-E41534.htm < lol
01:50 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158806 << except they're not THAT guaranteed, are they. gotta hope your party wins, for one. other party has its own hangers.
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01:50 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 03:46:32; asciilifeform: plus the mega-benefits of guaranteed employment for life, fat pensions, health 'insurances', etc.
01:51 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158807 << yeah, sure, sure. meanwhile something awful lost its head of eve ops irl. no batallion.
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01:51 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 03:47:00; asciilifeform: herr handle bragged about keeping kid in day care 'guarded by battalion'
01:51 mircea_popescu i guess they were all busy wiping this guy's kid's nose or something
01:55 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158822 << i can guarantee that no part of the usg does this. the parts that should provably do not. the parts that aren't provable to not, do not actually exist.
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01:55 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 03:53:15; asciilifeform: the only reason the nukes have not yet 'wandered off' is that the 'serious' part of usg works the same way as my house, or mircea_popescu's
01:55 mircea_popescu the only thing silence means on this network is that there's actually no machine there.
01:55 mircea_popescu all connected machines - respond. as they shouldn't, myriad ways.
01:56 mircea_popescu the only reason the nukes haven't wandered off is that a) they're not actually flight worthy and b) they're not actually strategically useful.
01:58 mircea_popescu they'll fly off once the attention whores off social media get technically competent enough, which, barring any unemployed 40yo taxi drivers in fuckheadistan, pretty much means never.
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02:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27102 @ 0.00035688 = 9.6722 BTC [-]
02:02 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158827 << contractor schmontractor. all the people that are even half-competent are working for options and warrants, not piddly fucking pay.
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02:02 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 03:54:32; decimation: "cons: Process and management inhibit mission. Pay does not match market (as low as 60% of what you can get as a contractor)."
02:02 mircea_popescu a salary is for the office cocksucker and for that twerp who actually sat through ALL FOUR YEARS of computer school.
02:03 mircea_popescu these are not even "bright and brightest" of the 20th percentile.
02:06 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158831 << being a bureaucrat is much like being a housewife. it does, unerringly, without exception, require a broken brain.
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02:06 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 03:57:50; asciilifeform: no one ever talks about the 'up side' of being a bureaucrat, but i think it is necessary. otherwise you are stuck believing that these people are clinically insane (they are not.)
02:06 mircea_popescu one who is not mentally retarded can not BE a bureaucrat. they may temporarily work in a bureaucracy, but for short stints and fully loathing it, miller's cosmococcic empire style.
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02:07 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158834 << generally speaking, prison's a better deal. sleep ad libitum, for one.
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02:07 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 03:58:58; trinque: not that insane to collect a good check and be relatively certain of life
02:07 mircea_popescu how many people do you suppose actually and deliberately go to jail ?
02:12 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158924 << not so russian. what the roman army did in between the marian reforms and the utter collapse.
02:12 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 04:19:17; asciilifeform: mats: i wonder when usa will adopt the ancient ru tradition of commanders 'borrowing' entire regiments to build their country houses, chop wood, etc.
02:23 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158956 << if only. compare like things : some ditz with a degree in english with some derp with ten years' counterstrike experience
02:23 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 04:25:02; decimation: some grunt who has done honest work surely outranks some ditz with a degree in english
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03:03 scoopbot_revived Why I can't be bothered with Formula 1 anymore. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/10/why-i-cant-be-bothered-with-formula-1-anymore/
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03:25 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1158421 <<< would ya bang her?
03:25 assbot Logged on 09-06-2015 19:41:12; shinohai: Meth, hell of a drug: http://np.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/330c0u/bailey_jay_is_le_proof_inside_woops_i_made_a/
03:31 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158555 <<< http://i.imgur.com/sJaLVBR.jpg
03:31 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 00:01:41; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1158532 << i've said it before, and will say it again - au is a usg-owned zoolag where they try out new and bleeding-edge idiocies
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05:44 thestringpuller "If Bitcoin was to be controlled by a popularity contest, we're pretty doomed."
05:47 shinohai Consensus at work
05:49 wyrdmantis materials for a qntra piece: http://qz.com/423739/mastercard-makes-the-case-that-its-safer-and-faster-than-bitcoin/
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05:52 BingoBoingo wyrdmantis: Feel free to write it up. I'm taking part a Preet Bharara turd atm.
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06:17 scoopbot_revived Bharara Seeks To Prosecute Silk Road Trial Commenters http://qntra.net/2015/06/bharara-seeks-to-prosecute-silk-road-trial-commenters/
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06:17 BingoBoingo ^ I love that picture
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06:47 wyrdmantis BingoBoingo article is almost ready
06:47 BingoBoingo cool
06:47 BingoBoingo thanks
06:48 wyrdmantis first time for me, how do i send?
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07:07 shinohai Good article, 1 grammatical error: It's judges like this that will be taken out and short. FTFY.
07:07 BingoBoingo shinohai: It's a quote
07:08 shinohai ah k
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07:32 scoopbot_revived MasterCard Requests Regulation Break Bitcoin http://qntra.net/2015/06/mastercard-requests-regulation-break-bitcoin/
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08:03 jurov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMo6v_uFZKU wow such whoring. complete with peroxide blonde.
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08:42 punkman http://www.zachtronics.com/tis-100/
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08:54 wyrdmantis ;;bc,stats
08:54 gribble Current Blocks: 360302 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 561 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 15 hours, 25 minutes, and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 49378249574.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.75851
08:55 punkman http://swedenreport.org/2015/06/02/goodbye-sweden/
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08:59 jurov "american" complains about addition of foreigners? color me surprised
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09:20 funkenstein_ 早上好比特币-财富人 <-- mornin' b-a
09:21 funkenstein_ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158673 <-- selector for what?
09:21 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 00:35:40; asciilifeform: use of linux/bsd is a legal nsa 'selector.' this is publicly known by now.
09:22 funkenstein_ so i threw a coin at s.nsa the day of first phuctoring.. can't help but notice that was the last listed volume
09:25 funkenstein_ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158732 <-- interested parties might follow the story of one Russel Maroon Shoatz
09:25 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 03:11:07; asciilifeform: aha, escaped prisoner is 'affront to the majesty of the law' (tm) (r)
09:28 funkenstein_ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158798 <-- always bothered me we still use the phrase "private sector" when the bill is paid by the public
09:28 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 03:43:55; decimation: no doubt it's the private sector where usg showers it cash
09:32 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158990 << last i saw, the 'confederate money' buys a good bit of btc.
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09:32 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 05:46:33; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158770 <<< yeah, hiring, sure. as long as you can put up with being paid in confederate money while being stuck with fastfood management, it's hiring.
09:35 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158998 << mircea_popescu is posting through a temporal modem from 1870s ? because 'spoils system' in usg civil service is long, long gone. nobody at nsa, usually not even the director (they don't stick around long anyway) worries about which party is in the white house.
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09:35 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 05:50:29; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158806 << except they're not THAT guaranteed, are they. gotta hope your party wins, for one. other party has its own hangers.
09:36 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159000 << what was this ?
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09:36 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 05:51:18; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158807 << yeah, sure, sure. meanwhile something awful lost its head of eve ops irl. no batallion.
09:36 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159003 << understand, they don't do it through deliberate choice, but inertia. nothing more recent than 'microvax' is (last i heard) approved for 'minuteman' rocket, etc.
09:36 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 05:55:27; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158822 << i can guarantee that no part of the usg does this. the parts that should provably do not. the parts that aren't provable to not, do not actually exist.
09:38 funkenstein_ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159015 <-- one can simulate such a broken brain with a functional one dontcha think?
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09:38 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 06:06:06; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158831 << being a bureaucrat is much like being a housewife. it does, unerringly, without exception, require a broken brain.
09:38 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159011 << this has to win some sort of prize for 'martial in atomic dirigible.' EVERYBODY i ever met in usa works for salary. i suppose it follows that neither i nor anyone i know in meatspace is 'even half-competent.'
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09:38 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 06:02:04; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158827 << contractor schmontractor. all the people that are even half-competent are working for options and warrants, not piddly fucking pay.
09:38 asciilifeform *martian
09:39 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159017 << didja read last night's tale re: how i worked in the ultimate bureaucracy ?
09:39 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 06:06:36; mircea_popescu: one who is not mentally retarded can not BE a bureaucrat. they may temporarily work in a bureaucracy, but for short stints and fully loathing it, miller's cosmococcic empire style.
09:39 funkenstein_ people say they work only for the money but in fact work is also done because it is worth doing
09:39 asciilifeform funkenstein_: i work for the money.
09:40 asciilifeform funkenstein_: i also do 'things worth doing' but nobody pays for those
09:40 asciilifeform or is ever likely to.
09:41 asciilifeform i suppose i should clarify, again, that i wasn't speaking of -actually working- as bureaucrat - that is, sitting in meetings, filing reports in triplicate. just that being paid to do, in effect, whatever the fuck you want, is almost like being rich.
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09:41 asciilifeform and that you can get this, if lucky, in the bowels of u.s. dod.
09:43 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158992 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159018 << mircea_popescu travelled for years through usa but did not, apparently, discover the caste system we have here. said system explains why you will never see an engineer contemplate 'working with a pimp' or considering whether prison may be a good vacation.
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09:43 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 05:46:46; mircea_popescu: every pimp in baltimore is hiring on the same terms.
09:43 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 06:07:27; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158834 << generally speaking, prison's a better deal. sleep ad libitum, for one.
09:44 asciilifeform brahmin would demand 'orbital' hazard pay just for -being in the same room- with an untouchable for a few hours.
09:44 funkenstein_ allow me to hypothesize that what you do for the money is not totally useless
09:44 asciilifeform funkenstein_: i can guarantee you that it is. from the big-picture standpoint.
09:44 asciilifeform funkenstein_: allow me to explain. i work for something quite like an antivirus firm.
09:44 funkenstein_ incidentally i have very little luck with this argument in UK
09:45 funkenstein_ if one person appreciates what you do, my argument is proven
09:46 asciilifeform funkenstein_: i've met folks who 'appreciate' what preet bharara does. and obama. etc
09:46 funkenstein_ !up Petit_Dejeuner
09:46 funkenstein_ merci garçon
09:46 asciilifeform funkenstein_: does it follow that they are in 'useful work' ?
09:47 funkenstein_ I think so. Cocksuckers have their use.
09:48 funkenstein_ what their use is to humanity is another question
09:48 asciilifeform funkenstein_: if you don't grasp the fact that some folks do work which ultimately helps destroy everything that is good and bright, i have very little to say.
09:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64520 @ 0.00036405 = 23.4885 BTC [+] {2}
09:50 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159076 << you know full well what kind of 'foreigners' sweden is importing, and why.
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09:50 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 12:59:34; jurov: "american" complains about addition of foreigners? color me surprised
09:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38530 @ 0.00036902 = 14.2183 BTC [+]
09:50 asciilifeform standard socialist-flavoured cultural collapse.
09:51 funkenstein_ very true, sadly..
09:52 funkenstein_ and many of them have been fooled by this whole "work is for the money" nonsense
09:56 asciilifeform how the fuck do i even parse this.
09:59 asciilifeform did funkenstein_ miss the entire collection of threads re: 'the bezzle' (term from galbraith) ? and mircea_popescu's 'tin woman' essay? re: how imbeciles print money like toilet paper, and the only way to afford food & rent in usa is to work for the folks who get first or second dip into the freshly-printed bucket ?
09:59 asciilifeform (to a first approximation)
09:59 funkenstein_ no no, sorry I speak to quickly as usual
09:59 funkenstein_ *too
10:01 funkenstein_ one needs to get the tokens to pay for food and rent, this implies you have something to do with your tokens, not just working "for tokens"
10:02 funkenstein_ and we usually need the tide variety
10:02 asciilifeform funkenstein_: there are folks who work for food and roof more or less directly (soldiers, mexican slaves.) it is useful to distinguish the categories.
10:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19634 @ 0.00036902 = 7.2453 BTC [+]
10:03 funkenstein_ even in that circumstance it is useful to realize one has the option to starve and be homeless, which one should take over some jobs
10:03 asciilifeform funkenstein_: have fun with that
10:04 funkenstein_ if you offer me "destroy what is good and bright or be homeless" I will gladly take the latter
10:05 asciilifeform funkenstein_: go, take. if you're gainfully employed in usa, you are almost certainly either one of the destroyers or supplying necessities to those who are.
10:05 funkenstein_ Henry Miller goes on and on about his right to starve, rather unconvincingly
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10:06 asciilifeform 'in its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread.' (tm) (r)
10:07 funkenstein_ lol, majestic
10:07 funkenstein_ if I were so employed, perhaps I could be a useful mole for you.
10:08 funkenstein_ but yeah, sometimes i think even the indirect handling of fiat would put me in the category of destoroyer
10:09 funkenstein_ and so I should ask you lords, if this is a pardonable offense
10:09 funkenstein_ in all seriousness
10:10 lobbes a lot of people here are in that category. 'if you starve enough' etc
10:10 lobbes I surely am in that category
10:10 * lobbes shrug
10:10 lobbes I like living, though
10:13 asciilifeform in other news, http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A76BF4503AE2C55107D537EDABB05BDFB3DB93A3CAF697C1C5073FDD9EEF8F4E http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/63016E43A530350EC983F09A74C50EC8E87FEB92F3DEAC355BE2E64CA7985921
10:13 assbot Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1dwj2bX )
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10:13 asciilifeform ^^^ where the hell is my ticker ?!
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10:14 shinohai another one bites the dust.
10:14 asciilifeform i dare to say these are more interesting than what happened every minute on 'havelock'
10:14 asciilifeform but that's just me
10:14 * kakobrekla agrees.
10:14 lobbes I'd agree
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11:29 mircea_popescu cazalla well, dja wanna quit ?
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11:30 mircea_popescu i mean, people can quit, it's a job not a conviction.
11:39 mircea_popescu who/what is a bailey jay
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11:41 mircea_popescu "So basically I like to follow the philosophy of Toaism and the concept of wei wu wei, the closest English translation apparently is "action without action" which basically means you don't do anything. "
11:41 mircea_popescu and why the fuck do i follow these reddit links even.
11:41 mircea_popescu one in a dozen or so is still too much
11:41 mircea_popescu toaism, aka sitoncouchism.
11:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.00035086 = 17.9289 BTC [-]
11:44 shinohai http://www.amazon.com/Dr-Pinks-Anal-Brightening-Cream/dp/B007CLTKH4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1348978283&sr=8-1&keywords=anal+bleach
11:44 assbot Amazon.com: Dr. Pinks Anal Brightening Cream - Natural Ingredients - No Hydroquinone - All Skin Types,50 ML/1.7 FL OZ: Health & Personal Care ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4ulHD )
11:44 mircea_popescu oooookays
11:45 shinohai "Your asshole is looking a little dingy my dear. Freshen that up, will ya?"
11:45 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159046 <<< juuuust teh fact that mastercard perceives the need to make this case...
11:45 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 09:49:38; wyrdmantis: materials for a qntra piece: http://qz.com/423739/mastercard-makes-the-case-that-its-safer-and-faster-than-bitcoin/
11:46 mircea_popescu glwt. housewives everywhere have been making the case that they are safer and faster than hitchhikers
11:46 mircea_popescu who ever fucks a housewife and who ever passed up the chance to wet it in random roadkill ?
11:46 * shinohai will dip his pen in whatever ink presents itself ...
11:48 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159051 <<< ahahahaha fuckwit
11:48 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 10:17:47; scoopbot_revived: Bharara Seeks To Prosecute Silk Road Trial Commenters http://qntra.net/2015/06/bharara-seeks-to-prosecute-silk-road-trial-commenters/
11:48 mircea_popescu dude do the stupid go to a special stupid school that makes them self defeating or what the fuck is it
11:49 shinohai Welcome to the land of the free, and the home of "What the actual fuck."
11:56 wyrdmantis !b 2
11:56 assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2AJ2JRG.txt )
11:59 mats http://www.peakprosperity.com/podcast/92943/former-cia-director-were-not-doing-nearly-enough-protect-against-emp-threat << what.
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11:59 assbot Former CIA Director: We're Not Doing Nearly Enough To Protect Against The EMP Threat | Peak Prosperity ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4wHGA )
12:04 mircea_popescu trinque wtf happened to teh deedbot yo!
12:04 trinque wut
12:04 * trinque checks
12:04 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/preet.txt << there you go, a qntra exclusive.
12:04 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4xDuu )
12:06 mats i loled
12:07 mircea_popescu curious how'll they sort this one out.
12:07 mircea_popescu ty!
12:07 mircea_popescu deedbot- http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/preet.txt
12:07 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4xDuu )
12:08 trinque too many spaces for teh regex
12:08 mircea_popescu deedbot- http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/preet.txt
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12:08 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4ygEq )
12:08 deedbot- accepted: 1
12:08 mircea_popescu ah ok ty.
12:08 trinque np
12:09 mats i wonder who will be the first to be hanged for #b-a association
12:10 mircea_popescu i wonder how much time will elapse between t1 where we reach hanging parity and t2 when there's 100 usis hangings per historical b-a hanging
12:10 mats hue
12:10 mircea_popescu provided we stop at 100
12:11 mircea_popescu tho it kinda is historically the outer bound of responsibility.
12:11 mircea_popescu moreover, you need better stuff than shit assemblages to not crumble way before any sort of parity is to be had.
12:12 mircea_popescu !up ascii_field
12:13 ascii_field http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/preet.txt << l0l neato
12:13 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4ygEq )
12:14 mircea_popescu no, seriously, i'm curious how the majesty of the turd statue is going to recover from something like that.
12:14 ascii_field mircea_popescu: the usual way!
12:14 mircea_popescu no, not really. notice that they knew enough to try and do it in secret.
12:14 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#700916
12:14 assbot Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
12:14 mircea_popescu you know why this is.
12:14 ascii_field ^ that's how
12:14 mircea_popescu oh, so i get legal immunity ?
12:14 mircea_popescu cool.
12:14 mircea_popescu hopefully now the rest of you know how that goes.
12:14 ascii_field the immunity of 'it never happened, move along'
12:15 mircea_popescu coolness.
12:15 mircea_popescu that's all the immunity i ever need.
12:15 mircea_popescu i hope their daughters lubricate well.
12:16 ascii_field their 'daughters' probably have shriveled syphilitic cocks.
12:16 ascii_field (if all else is any indication)
12:16 mircea_popescu all else is never an indication about daughters.
12:18 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159189 << ancient scamatron. see, e.g., http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-12-2014#951698 (and up a few lines)
12:18 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 15:59:15; mats: http://www.peakprosperity.com/podcast/92943/former-cia-director-were-not-doing-nearly-enough-protect-against-emp-threat << what.
12:18 assbot Logged on 12-12-2014 00:03:19; asciilifeform: chemically-powered emp bomb is one of those weapons that really fails basic physics, for almost any scenario, but the brass can't ever fall out of love with it
12:20 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159063 << for a moment i expected it'd be gavin accepting some award for spice girls career achievement or something.
12:20 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 12:03:13; jurov: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMo6v_uFZKU wow such whoring. complete with peroxide blonde.
12:23 mircea_popescu "But what makes me the most pessimistic about Sweden’s future is how the social fabric itself has been undermined. " << heh. NORDIC SYSTEM!!11
12:23 ascii_field no meat without flies.
12:23 mircea_popescu like the mouse system. "it works for as long as there's cheese to eat".
12:24 ascii_field ^ applies to all living things
12:24 mircea_popescu no. only applies to SOME living things.
12:24 mircea_popescu some other living things make their own cheese.
12:24 ascii_field out of grass
12:24 ascii_field etc
12:25 mircea_popescu do you feel particularly like twenty gallons of ocean water today or something ?
12:25 ascii_field approximately.
12:25 mircea_popescu yes eventually everything applies to all things. in this sense preet's a respectable fellow - hey, how many indians own their own suit ?!
12:25 mircea_popescu nevertheless...
12:26 ascii_field l0l
12:26 ascii_field i really can't help but wonder what motivates the man
12:26 ascii_field torquemada, as i understand, believed in god
12:26 mircea_popescu what motivates all quislings ever ?
12:26 ascii_field what does preet believe in ?
12:26 mircea_popescu a perceived social consensus and low self esteem.
12:26 mircea_popescu doesn't believe in anything, why should he ?
12:27 mircea_popescu there's a minimum bar to belief, and it's "not being made out of pressed shitboard"
12:27 mircea_popescu he doesn't pass it.
12:27 ascii_field because being inquisitor is something like work ?
12:27 mircea_popescu only to you.
12:27 ascii_field folks generally do work for a reason
12:27 mircea_popescu yes. a perceived social consensus and low self esteem.
12:28 ascii_field i'd imagine having men thrown in chains at one's say-so does something for 'self-esteem' ?
12:28 mircea_popescu and you'd be wrong.
12:29 mircea_popescu vast expanses of marble arches do nothing for the self esteem of the slavegirls chained there.
12:29 mircea_popescu yes, it's "their" palace, or in proper words their master's palace.
12:29 ascii_field it isn't clear to me whether preet understands that it isn't 'his' palace
12:29 mircea_popescu right.
12:30 mircea_popescu because self esteem built on self delusion works
12:30 mircea_popescu this is how the us became the most beloved, greatest and best country in the world.
12:30 mircea_popescu herp.
12:32 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159086 << last i saw, you said http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158580
12:32 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 13:32:58; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158990 << last i saw, the 'confederate money' buys a good bit of btc.
12:32 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 00:09:38; asciilifeform: if i were to obtain (fell out of airplane, aha) a crate full of benjies, it would do exactly zero for my situation.
12:32 mircea_popescu at some point you'll have to reconcile the two.
12:32 ascii_field nothing to reconcile
12:32 ascii_field the confederate money just needs to be 'legitimated'
12:32 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159088 << was briefly gone. it's coming back, and in a big way. ask around.
12:32 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 13:35:11; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158998 << mircea_popescu is posting through a temporal modem from 1870s ? because 'spoils system' in usg civil service is long, long gone. nobody at nsa, usually not even the director (they don't stick around long anyway) worries about which party is in the white house.
12:33 * ascii_field knows buncha folks working in civil service, not one gives a flying fuck which party is in office
12:33 mircea_popescu are they consulting for $$$ or just taking living wage as zeks ?
12:33 ascii_field both
12:34 mircea_popescu strange.
12:34 ascii_field gotta understand, the dod mega-projects have lifespans of decades and contracted for $maxint in advance
12:34 mircea_popescu and the contractors keep getting shuffled.
12:34 ascii_field as one fella put it explaining to me, 'it doesn't matter if they elect the democrats, republicans, or lesbians. i get paid.'
12:34 mircea_popescu and whether the next budget overrun is going to be ok'd or not is always up in the air
12:34 mircea_popescu and while people might pretend like it's not the case, everyone depends on their contacts and the days of the dual-head contracts are coming to an end
12:35 mircea_popescu (which is what the recent prosecutions around the govt of ny marks)
12:35 ascii_field 'lockheed', 'raytheon', etc. laugh at the budget crap.
12:35 ascii_field they are attached straight to the bezzle reactor core.
12:36 mircea_popescu by what conduit ?
12:36 * ascii_field does not know, has not touched with own hands
12:36 ascii_field i suspect by the conduit of 'we get paid or the lot of you die'
12:36 mircea_popescu again, this is what the coumo associates prosecutions mark. not that it wans't a fact a while before.
12:36 mircea_popescu that conduit is politically vulnerable, whoever has the courts can send the guy up river.
12:37 mircea_popescu which is why i spend my time publicly humiliating bharara rather than "the liberal lion elizabeth warren"
12:37 mircea_popescu or the set of schmucks over at state.
12:37 mircea_popescu either much softer, easier, lulzier targets.
12:38 ascii_field wake me up when there's a humiliated rockefeller.
12:38 mircea_popescu uh
12:38 mircea_popescu what, seriously ? that's your golden standard ?!
12:38 ascii_field nah just snap example
12:39 ascii_field rothchild, if you like more
12:39 mircea_popescu bad one, eh. what was the entire "we will herd you over at wh and tell you where to donate your money - it's not confiscation btw" episode than this ?
12:39 mircea_popescu all the young schmucks enthusiastically approving the obamaplans.
12:39 ascii_field that was done to middle class
12:40 mircea_popescu no, it was done to a collection of "scions" of rockefeller and rotschild and the like.
12:40 ascii_field rockefeller - laughs.
12:40 mircea_popescu orly.
12:40 mircea_popescu http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/20/fashion/white-house-hosts-next-generation-young-and-rich.html << to make sure we're on same page here.
12:40 assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1L1wfaZ )
12:40 ascii_field mircea_popescu argues that -all of these folks- are in 'we'll show you what to sign, herr hindenburg' mode ?
12:41 mircea_popescu no.
12:41 ascii_field so there we go. the remaining ones are our $rothchilds
12:41 mircea_popescu they're in "we thank the party for its great idea to make an orphanage in our ex country house - we would have done the same if we were as smart as it" mode
12:41 ascii_field ah same thing
12:42 mircea_popescu and there's no remaining ones, except for this place.
12:42 mircea_popescu i guess similar thing yeah ok
12:42 ascii_field what of saud? brunei ?
12:42 mircea_popescu if you go abroad it gets complicated.
12:42 ascii_field or let's try the zaibatsus
12:44 mircea_popescu there's a large contingent of liberts (such as bharara, on the bureaucratic side, such as http://qntra.net/2015/01/pierre-omidyar-also-started-a-qntra-back-in-october-his-failed/ on the accounting side etc)
12:44 assbot Pierre Omidyar also started a Qntra back in October. His failed. | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1KWduTt )
12:44 mircea_popescu freed slaves with "a lot of money" or "power" or "influence"
12:44 mircea_popescu usually castrated prior to their ascension and torn to pieces by the crowd after.
12:45 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
12:45 ascii_field freed slaves aha.
12:46 mircea_popescu they're cheap.
12:46 mats http://blog.jacobtorrey.com/my-minilock-concerns
12:46 assbot Jacob Torrey - My MiniLock Concerns ... ( http://bit.ly/1KWdN0p )
12:46 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=13-05-2015#1130032 << related
12:46 assbot Logged on 13-05-2015 05:12:34; decimation: heh there are amusing layers here > "In 1854, when sculptor Thomas Crawford was preparing models for sculpture for the United States Capitol, Secretary of War Jefferson Davis (later to be the President of the Confederate States of America) insisted that a Phrygian cap not be included on a Statue of Freedom, on the grounds that "American liberty is original and not the liberty of the freed slave". "
12:46 mircea_popescu which is the point of all the immigration
12:47 ascii_field mats: gotta love the shitgnomatic pgptrons and truecryptrons
12:47 ascii_field 'easy to use!! no keys files!!!'
12:47 mircea_popescu ascii_field there's a bit to go with that : the more or less official hymn of the romanian revolution, which is this thing : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkI42zPuH7w (very neener tune, incidentally, much like the argentine's favourite thing - and btw those guys put the cap everywhere)
12:47 assbot Imnul golanilor - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KWe0kn )
12:47 mats if you put enough secret sauce in there, maybe no one will want to taste it
12:47 ascii_field aha the damned cap is everywhere
12:48 mircea_popescu it goes "better a hooligan than a communist" etc, and it specifically says "we do not wish for original liberty and other lies"
12:48 ascii_field mircea_popescu: didja know, even u.s. senate has it in their logo ?
12:48 ascii_field and (at least formerly) u.s. army ?
12:48 mircea_popescu the notion that anyone can have a peculiar, different, original liberty...
12:48 mircea_popescu mats myeah, exactly.
12:48 ascii_field mats: if i were fuhrer, i'd fire these louts. the crap isn't even -trying- to be plausible !
12:49 mircea_popescu "the limit on open source is the open sourcer's willingness and ability to read code - so put more code in there!11"
12:49 mircea_popescu ascii_field if you were fuhrer we wouldn't be at war in the first place.
12:49 scoopbot_revived Space travel isn't for you. There are no virgins there either. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/10/space-travel-isnt-for-you-there-are-no-virgins-there-either/
12:49 mircea_popescu the only reason we're here is that they're too stupid to understand they need to negotiate, and yesterday, or for that matter to correctly evaluate their hand
12:50 ascii_field https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-June/007785.html << mega-l0lz
12:50 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KWeuqH )
12:51 ascii_field aaaand
12:51 ascii_field https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-June/007774.html
12:51 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KWeE19 )
12:51 ascii_field 'Fwd: [Cryptography] Did Intel just execute its warrant canary ?'
12:52 mats ^silliness
12:52 mircea_popescu ahahaah wait, INTEL had a warrant canary ?
12:52 mircea_popescu wtf is this roflmao
12:52 mircea_popescu !up referredbyloper
12:52 ascii_field hey, if apple could
12:52 ascii_field why not intel
12:52 ascii_field 'right hand bites left hand'
12:52 mircea_popescu because intel's not cool.
12:52 mircea_popescu you understand ? beria may rape women off the street.
12:53 mircea_popescu the hero of the soviet union, marshall zhukov... no.
12:53 ascii_field now this one's a definite yes.
13:00 ascii_field mats: http://blog.jacobtorrey.com/my-minilock-concerns << i -still- insist that if your brainwallet is crackable, you are a moron
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13:00 assbot Jacob Torrey - My MiniLock Concerns ... ( http://bit.ly/1KWfQkY )
13:00 ascii_field it is the ultimate 'iq test'
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13:00 ascii_field with instant results
13:01 mircea_popescu iam not so convinced.
13:01 ascii_field tests mental nimbleness, originality, memory, everything which makes someone worthy contender
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13:01 mircea_popescu let's work this out. ascii_field would you agree that the mental cost PER UNIT of generating five random bytes is larger than generating six ?
13:01 mircea_popescu ie, that the marginal cost monotonically increases ?
13:02 ascii_field this is mistaken right off the bat
13:02 mats it can't be that hard
13:02 ascii_field they don't need to be generated on the spot
13:02 mats i use a memory palace
13:02 ascii_field ^^^
13:02 mircea_popescu ok, we can aproach this one too.
13:02 ascii_field perhaps i generated it when i was 5 y.o.
13:02 mircea_popescu mats would you agree that your palace is standing ?
13:03 mats not sure where we're going with this, but ok
13:03 mats yes
13:03 mircea_popescu did i just make a prediction about your palace ?
13:04 mats no.
13:04 mircea_popescu ...
13:04 mats perhaps i am not the right stand-in for this conversation...
13:05 mircea_popescu perhaps.
13:05 mircea_popescu i dun really think so tho.
13:05 ascii_field go guess a bi- or tri- lingual macaronic poem that some fella wrote in his head as a boy.
13:06 * ascii_field ^ not my key, for what it's worth. but example.
13:06 mircea_popescu ascii_field but it was written in a language nevertheless, right ?
13:06 ascii_field macaronic
13:06 mircea_popescu and the argument here isn't about "guessing", it's about reducing entropy.
13:06 ascii_field so, in this example, at least two languages
13:07 mircea_popescu even so. constraints are present.
13:07 mircea_popescu you wouldn't stand for this in your cardano rng.
13:07 ascii_field i can 'reduce entropy' of mircea_popescu's pgp key by telling that the factors are odd. what of it.
13:07 ascii_field still doesn't reduce it -usefully-
13:07 mircea_popescu this obviously will only be verified in practice
13:07 ascii_field it is certain to be.
13:07 mircea_popescu as it's now an utility rather than a math argument
13:08 ascii_field as it is, i would not trust serious coin, were i to have any, to anything other than brainwallet operated with optical keyboard connected to soviet z80.
13:08 ascii_field in dark room.
13:08 ascii_field (proper rng for the nonces, naturally)
13:09 mircea_popescu oic
13:09 mircea_popescu k
13:09 ascii_field this is the -real- difference between btc and gold
13:09 ascii_field go and store gold in your brain.
13:10 * ascii_field can even imagine 'disposable' computer for operating brainwallets. thermite brick after each transaction signature.
13:10 ascii_field hey, z80 is cheap!
13:10 ascii_field go look, 'ebay'
13:10 ascii_field $1 or so from hong kong
13:11 ascii_field so no, i have no patience for the 'brainwallets suck because you are stupid' argument.
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13:13 ascii_field incidentally, most people are already using the worst aspects of brainwallet -and- conventional crypto
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13:13 mircea_popescu brainwallets provedly suck in te general case
13:13 mircea_popescu and i have my doubts about the particular case.
13:13 ascii_field in that they keep multiple copies of their key around on the planet (or worse, don't)
13:13 ascii_field and hence the location of key, and any symmetric decrypt password to it, -is- the brainwallet
13:14 ascii_field i am not sold on the 'probably suck' bit.
13:14 ascii_field *provably
13:15 mircea_popescu but you've seen the general public lose btc to weak "brainwallets" ?
13:15 mircea_popescu that's "the general case", what you tell urmom to do
13:15 ascii_field yes
13:15 ascii_field and i don't give a fuck about general public
13:15 ascii_field general public cannot and must not operate reactors
13:15 mircea_popescu aha well k then
13:15 ascii_field or cut own appendix
13:15 ascii_field reactor man - operates reactor. surgeon - appendix.
13:16 mircea_popescu the entire thing was mostly about instructing the bitcoin-lemmings (peeps who think themselves "the community") about where to not step on the tiger.
13:16 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
13:19 ascii_field my point is that everyone here is either using brainwallet in some form already (backup of your key in a postbox in japan, symmetrically encrypted with pw in your brain, and postbox # also in your brain) OR is one stint in pow camp away from 'civil death' (total loss of key)
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13:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56729 @ 0.00035435 = 20.1019 BTC [+]
13:20 ascii_field so it is not a question of whether to use brainwallets - but whether to -also- use permanent copies of keys !
13:21 ascii_field i would also like to point out that framing the question of key quality in terms of 'bits of entropy' is slightly misleading
13:22 ascii_field because there are two kinds of 'entropy' here
13:22 ascii_field one kind of the strictly-quantifiable varieties (kolmogorov, shannon, etc)
13:22 ascii_field the other is actual 'guessability by enemy', a more nebulous thing
13:22 ascii_field my favourite example is 'digits of pi', which max out (1) while being rock bottom on (2)
13:23 ascii_field most defective (or subverted) electronic rng have similar property
13:23 ascii_field 128 bits from first 1 petabyte of digits of pi will be guessed
13:24 ascii_field 128 bits by a clever child in three languages - never
13:24 ascii_field even if kolmogorov complexity of both is equal.
13:24 mircea_popescu ascii_field i can see that angle.
13:24 ascii_field i urge mircea_popescu to eat some top ice cream and think of this.
13:24 mircea_popescu "machine-empowered brainwallet"
13:25 ascii_field machine is bonus. can hash on paper if you must.
13:25 mircea_popescu the disagreement mostly stems from definitions tho. what people mean when they say "don't use brainwallets for you are stupid" mostly reduces to redditard going on brainwallet.org
13:25 ascii_field (then - burn it.)
13:27 ascii_field i normally presume 'fella knowing what he's doing' as the subject of my ruminations.
13:28 ascii_field rather than 'will mr lamer shoot himself in the foot and blow away his entire torso'
13:43 mircea_popescu unsafe presumption :D
13:52 mircea_popescu !up referredbyloper
13:52 mircea_popescu !up referredbyqntra
13:53 referredbyqntra Thanks MP
13:53 mircea_popescu aha
13:54 referredbyqntra http://dpaste.com/1MXJF0H Popehat or rather CloudFlare banning gpg content
13:54 assbot dpaste: 1MXJF0H ... ( http://bit.ly/1KqkqtN )
13:54 referredbyqntra That's the response when I try to put your declaration in there.
13:54 mircea_popescu haha mmmmkay
13:55 referredbyqntra I tried with and without link to deedbot.org but it barfs the same. Maybe allergic to -----
13:55 mircea_popescu makes sense.
13:56 mircea_popescu then again, this is kinda why we don't give a shit about the lot of them.
13:56 referredbyqntra I see.
14:00 thestringpuller i wonder how much irc traffic is referred by qntra/loper/trilema to here
14:00 BingoBoingo So much log
14:08 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/preet.txt << there you go, a qntra exclusive. << To write up or paste verbatim?
14:08 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MoU1ei )
14:08 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo ah, not necessarily either, at your disposal.
14:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.015 = 1.5 BTC [+]
14:21 scoopbot_revived Popescu's Response to Bharara's Ulbrict Sentencing Commentary Inquisition http://qntra.net/2015/06/popescus-response-to-bhararas-ulbrict-sentencing-commentary-inquisition/
14:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39746 @ 0.00036001 = 14.309 BTC [+]
14:27 mircea_popescu poor reddit, stuck with this sad situation where it doesn't matter, and the people doing things are the people it hates.
14:27 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> mats would you agree that your palace is standing ? << My memory palace doesn't abide by such quaint physical conventions
14:27 mircea_popescu yeah but he doesn't drink as much :D
14:27 mats pot arguably rots the brain moar
14:28 mircea_popescu the penis too
14:28 mats o rly
14:28 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo mircea_popescu the text on that last qntra piece is overflowing instead of wrapping. it's broked.
14:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71700 @ 0.00036001 = 25.8127 BTC [+]
14:29 mircea_popescu prolly code element not playing well with long lines huh
14:29 mircea_popescu or pre or whatever's used
14:29 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: What browser?
14:30 BingoBoingo wraps on all my browsers
14:30 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo ah, seems to be safari-specific
14:30 pete_dushenski serves me right !
14:31 BingoBoingo Fuck safari if safari can't implement web standards
14:32 BingoBoingo This isn't even derpy HTML5OMGWTFBBQBUTTSEX, this is simple fucking text presentation
14:33 mircea_popescu odd huh.
14:33 pete_dushenski http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/08/g7-leaders-agree-phase-out-fossil-fuel-use-end-of-century? << look who's going back to the stone age. da g7 !
14:33 assbot G7 leaders agree to phase out fossil fuel use by end of century | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1MoZ7XY )
14:33 mircea_popescu "the interwebs doesn't worx ? oh, you must be on a different browser"
14:34 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski feelings fusion to provide free energy soon
14:34 pete_dushenski also soon : mars colonisation
14:35 pete_dushenski because it works in theory.
14:35 BingoBoingo Behold the glorious CSS which makes the <pre> text wrap: http://dpaste.com/19Q4G0T
14:35 assbot dpaste: 19Q4G0T ... ( http://bit.ly/1KqpLkI )
14:36 BingoBoingo Mozilla 1999, IE 5.5+, Opera since version 4, also works on Chromium and Midori that I tested
14:38 mircea_popescu cool
14:39 BingoBoingo It is literally THE CSS snippet used everywhere to make <pre> text wrap. And safari chokes on it?
14:40 pete_dushenski like apple's ceo chokes on it. yes.
14:43 mircea_popescu Prior to this years HOPE conference, a few articles appeared touting Nadim Kobeissi's new project, miniLock and him and I got into a heated debate regarding some issues that I, as a certified non-cryptographer, was concerned about in his design (at least what I could gather from it from the pre-release Wired article). The essence of my concerns boiled down to the fact that in miniLock, Nadim is using the human user as
14:43 mircea_popescu the sole source for entropy in the ECC key generation. At the time of the debate, Nadim suggested I wait until the big unveiling at HOPE to pass judgement as he had some research into secure human-generated pass-phrases that he was going to share.
14:43 mircea_popescu HOPE was last weekend (I didn't go) and finally the design specification has been posted along with the audited code. It appears that my initial concerns were warranted, each key is generated directly from the user's pass-phrase with no salt, thus leaving the true amount of entropy in the key generation process highly unknown.
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14:43 mircea_popescu bwahaha o gawd.
14:46 mircea_popescu and yet the guy ends his very apt article with "You can also find me on Twitter and GitHub."
14:47 mircea_popescu why ? what exactly is the value of 2k followers that he would use the irreproducible value of his intellectual output to prop up twitter ?
14:48 mircea_popescu more interestingly, facebook has had it's "turner buys myspace" moment, a while back. the only way it's going now is to that same 99.999% "value" drop. so did twitter. recently, so did github. the process of packaging the ignorant vouches of the average imbecile, selling them and running off has completed with facebook.
14:48 mircea_popescu the process of packaging the ignorant vouches of your average 20something aspie "young professional" / marketing expert slut idem, with twitter.
14:48 mircea_popescu finally, the ignorant vouches of random geek has been sold, in github. what's left ?
14:49 mircea_popescu the empire's running out of shit to pretend like it stole.
14:50 mircea_popescu maybe instead of phasing out "fossil fuels" the g7 tards should get together and phase out the pretense of gargle-economy.
14:51 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159090 ;;google Sean Smith
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14:51 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 13:36:02; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159000 << what was this ?
14:53 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159094 << it's not merely that i don't think. i know they can not. you try simulating a limp with working legs, see where it gets you.
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14:53 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 13:38:14; funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159015 <-- one can simulate such a broken brain with a functional one dontcha think?
14:53 mircea_popescu (and yes, i know these things from experience - i have the benefit that i can order slave girls do anything.)
14:54 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159096 << you personally misrepresent your income, for whatever reasons, but you actually are mostly working for warrants these past coupla years. the others - probably a combination of incompetence (note that high functioning autism is still mental incompetence) and similar misrepresentation, similarly for whatever reasons.
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14:54 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 13:38:16; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159011 << this has to win some sort of prize for 'martial in atomic dirigible.' EVERYBODY i ever met in usa works for salary. i suppose it follows that neither i nor anyone i know in meatspace is 'even half-competent.'
14:56 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu current best theory is that 'gargleconomy' will generate enough heat to keep homes warms in the winter and enough feelgoodery to keep bellies full year-round.
14:56 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159105 << no. being rich is not like that. being rich is like having the power to alter the course of the world, and the responsibility therein incumbent.
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14:56 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 13:41:24; asciilifeform: i suppose i should clarify, again, that i wasn't speaking of -actually working- as bureaucrat - that is, sitting in meetings, filing reports in triplicate. just that being paid to do, in effect, whatever the fuck you want, is almost like being rich.
14:57 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski hey, it did it once or twice before...
14:57 mircea_popescu to quote the pawnbroker, "more like a stench, if i remember"
14:57 pete_dushenski quite so.
14:58 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159107 << you're right, i have very little patience and give very little credit to the affectations of people. the usians are not special in this regard - like i don't give a shit for the argentines' or the romanians', similarly i don't give a shit there.
14:58 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 13:43:17; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158992 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159018 << mircea_popescu travelled for years through usa but did not, apparently, discover the caste system we have here. said system explains why you will never see an engineer contemplate 'working with a pimp' or considering whether prison may be a good vacation.
14:58 mircea_popescu caste schmaste.
14:58 pete_dushenski and being rich is most definitely not waking up at 7am every day to fill out paperwork and have coffee with a gaggle of geese
14:58 pete_dushenski which is what bureaucracy is.
14:58 mircea_popescu if the geese have nice tits...
14:59 mircea_popescu how's canada pimpin' these days btw ?
15:00 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu quite well !
15:00 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159107 << why shouldn't the poor blacks get some cheese ?
15:00 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 13:43:17; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158992 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159018 << mircea_popescu travelled for years through usa but did not, apparently, discover the caste system we have here. said system explains why you will never see an engineer contemplate 'working with a pimp' or considering whether prison may be a good vacation.
15:00 pete_dushenski summer is here at long, long last
15:00 mircea_popescu what, it hath been ordained for the "nordicx systems" only ?
15:01 mircea_popescu uh wrong url. i meant http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159124
15:01 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 13:50:05; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159076 << you know full well what kind of 'foreigners' sweden is importing, and why.
15:04 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
15:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98400 @ 0.00036128 = 35.55 BTC [+] {2}
15:05 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159506 << 'highly unknown' ?!?!
15:05 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 18:43:12; mircea_popescu: HOPE was last weekend (I didn't go) and finally the design specification has been posted along with the audited code. It appears that my initial concerns were warranted, each key is generated directly from the user's pass-phrase with no salt, thus leaving the true amount of entropy in the key generation process highly unknown.
15:06 mircea_popescu i agree, it is.
15:06 ascii_field i just love the weird twist of the tongue - symptom of some mental fissure, surely
15:07 ascii_field mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159515 << ah, him. i think diametric knew the fellow. ask'im
15:07 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 18:51:02; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159090 ;;google Sean Smith
15:08 mircea_popescu no need to ask nething really, it's all on public record.
15:08 mircea_popescu no batallion.
15:08 ascii_field battalion for some, for others - free burial
15:08 mircea_popescu this doesn't work as a theory.
15:09 mircea_popescu otherwise we'd still be on the pre-copernican astronomy.
15:09 mircea_popescu "revolution for some - ??? for others!"
15:09 mircea_popescu i can guarantee the schmuck in question had no "batallion", on the plain grounds that there isn't such a thing.
15:09 mircea_popescu the reason the potus "security" is such circus is exactly the reason oprah's pay is so advertised :
15:10 mircea_popescu to cover for the fact that i can go into the chambers of the ny comissioner for finance, and rape him.
15:10 ascii_field go steal mr o's 'football' then
15:10 ascii_field ought to be a convincing argument.
15:10 ascii_field esp. if it works.
15:10 mircea_popescu it does not trickle down.
15:11 mircea_popescu mr o's "football"'s security protects you, bharara, forrest and cuomo just as much
15:11 mircea_popescu which is to say not at all.
15:11 mircea_popescu the only true universal equality, the equality to zero.
15:13 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159517 << again it is very easy to simulate the limp if -no one if checking- and it is enough to say 'yeah i limp' see the bureaucracy thread.
15:13 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 18:53:12; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159094 << it's not merely that i don't think. i know they can not. you try simulating a limp with working legs, see where it gets you.
15:13 mircea_popescu it dun work thatway.
15:13 ascii_field *if no one is
15:13 ascii_field mircea_popescu: it worked great. they pay you, and you sit in a broom closet and mostly do whatever.
15:14 mircea_popescu worked, yes.
15:14 mircea_popescu in the past. always in the past tense, this.
15:14 ascii_field well, i personally only witnessed ~3 yrs of it, on account of the garden of eden having went under
15:14 mircea_popescu which was in no way related to any politics
15:14 mircea_popescu it just.... happened.
15:15 ascii_field (i personally was only in it by accident, and one cannot replicate an accident)
15:15 mircea_popescu aha.
15:15 shinohai *one cannot replicate an accident
15:15 ascii_field did not say 'this is a mega-system that will last 10,000 years and build many fine pyramids.' but was trying to explain why a thinking person might voluntarily work for usg somewhere
15:16 mircea_popescu and the explanation comes out to "any girl can get so horny one night she fucks a dog"
15:16 mircea_popescu sure.
15:16 ascii_field because per -hour of Actual Work- they demand, you get $10,000.
15:17 ascii_field and yes, not at post office
15:17 ascii_field or patent office
15:17 ascii_field but .mil
15:18 fluffypony !up hegemoOn
15:18 ascii_field and yes, this reduces to 'mouse economy', lasts while there is cheese
15:18 hegemoOn hello there
15:19 hegemoOn i wanted to share this arxiv.org research paper on bitcoin : http://arxiv.org/abs/1506.01513
15:19 assbot [1506.01513] Social signals and algorithmic trading of Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1FSBr9Q )
15:19 hegemoOn pretty fresh (4 june 2015)??
15:20 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159520 << l0l mircea_popescu, last i checked i was paying rent with usd, 100% of which comes from the fine fella i work for at $dayjob.
15:20 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 18:54:56; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159096 << you personally misrepresent your income, for whatever reasons, but you actually are mostly working for warrants these past coupla years. the others - probably a combination of incompetence (note that high functioning autism is still mental incompetence) and similar misrepresentation, similarly for whatever reasons.
15:20 mircea_popescu ascii_field unrealised income is not for that reason automatically not income.
15:20 mircea_popescu accounting's a fascinating field.
15:20 mircea_popescu hegemoOn written by whom ?
15:20 hegemoOn David Garcia, Frank Schweitzer
15:21 * ascii_field engineer not accountant. so can't say 'submarine is powered by future energy.' it has to be powered by what is aboard.
15:21 mircea_popescu never heard of 'em.
15:21 hegemoOn Chair of Systems Design, ETH Zurich
15:21 hegemoOn Weinbergstrasse 56/58, 8092 Zurich, Switzerland
15:21 mircea_popescu whatevs.
15:22 mircea_popescu let the man learn enough about how to use a computer to get a gpg sig and register it with the bot.
15:22 mircea_popescu until that day, he can continue playing with the xbox or w/e it is he's doing.
15:22 hegemoOn whom ???
15:22 shinohai hue
15:23 mircea_popescu either david garcia or frank whoever, chair of whatever else.
15:23 mircea_popescu you were under the impression they're adults or something ?
15:23 hegemoOn mircea_popescu: i think most of bitcoin trade are outside wot :)
15:23 mircea_popescu you'd think that, sure.
15:24 mircea_popescu most africans thing the world is africa, for that matter, and so outside of the world.
15:24 hegemoOn but if you are not interested i can understand, just wanted to share a good paper :)
15:25 mircea_popescu !gettrust hegemoOn
15:25 assbot Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user hegemoOn: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=hegemoOn | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/hegemoOn/
15:25 mircea_popescu why's it good ?
15:26 mircea_popescu so many people trying to matter in bitcoin "on their own terms" producing so much junk that's - to them, no doubt - meaningful and important that's not worth reading
15:26 mircea_popescu what's so special about this one that made you click ? start with that part.
15:26 mircea_popescu on its own strength, two kids pulling their dicks in zurich aren't worth the time of day.
15:27 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159523 << being rich, in my cosmography, simply means that your time is your own to do with as you please. everything else (starting wars, producing great inventions, etc.) is a cherry on the cake.
15:27 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 18:56:49; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159105 << no. being rich is not like that. being rich is like having the power to alter the course of the world, and the responsibility therein incumbent.
15:27 mircea_popescu it dun work like that, not really.
15:28 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> it dun work thatway. << easy enough to give onself an actual limp for arbitrary periods of time.
15:28 ascii_field pray tell, how not?
15:28 ascii_field all i personally want out of a hypothetical 'be rich' is for my daylight hours to belong to me and only me
15:28 ascii_field with all else - constant
15:28 mircea_popescu take the sexual metaphor. sure, sexual freedom would supperficially appear to be that situation where "the cunt;'s your own to do as you please". however, the cunt so liberated from a context wherein cocks make demands upon it is not in any sense something for you to do as you please, it's just a painful bit of bleeding garbage enbittering your existence.
15:29 ascii_field ^ i find this example utterly opaque
15:29 mircea_popescu (note that this example is gender-invariant)
15:29 ascii_field is it just me ?
15:29 mircea_popescu hm
15:29 mircea_popescu ok, something else then.
15:30 mircea_popescu horse's notion of freedom is "the ability to run where it will". nevertheless, absent a ground to push him up and an atmosphere to push him down, the horse's freedom's not quite what he imagined, but rather painful if short an affair.
15:30 mircea_popescu or, if you prefer, that chinese story where cocklet in love wished the entire world went away and was left with just his darling
15:30 mircea_popescu only to wish the world back into the picture piecemeal as the clock ticked seconds away
15:30 ascii_field mircea_popescu is trying to convince the horse not of the necessity of the ground, but of the yoke
15:30 * ascii_field is an entirely unconvinced horse
15:30 mircea_popescu no such thing.
15:31 BingoBoingo <ascii_field> mircea_popescu is trying to convince the horse not of the necessity of the ground, but of the yoke << Once free of yoke it becomes necessary to "protect your neck" to keep the yoke away
15:31 ascii_field BingoBoingo: this is compiled into my definition of 'freed'
15:32 mircea_popescu well then your definition of freed is compiled on gcc
15:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84683 @ 0.00036257 = 30.7035 BTC [+] {2}
15:34 hegemoOn can someone explain me what assbot just said ?
15:34 BingoBoingo !up ascii_field
15:34 BingoBoingo hegemoOn: assbot tickered a transaction on the tapeophone
15:37 ascii_field mircea_popescu: how much 'freed' is achievable by mortals can be debated, but i'd settle for mircea_popescu-grade 'freed.'
15:37 hegemoOn BingoBoingo: what kind of asset is it mpoe ?
15:37 mircea_popescu it comes with an obligation, unenforced but nevertheless perceived, to for instance http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159202
15:37 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 16:08:37; mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/preet.txt
15:38 mircea_popescu is that a yoke ? if not, why not.
15:38 ascii_field mircea_popescu: i get it, 'heavy is the crown' etc
15:38 mircea_popescu heavy is the frigian cap more like it.
15:38 ascii_field i'll take that 'heavy'
15:38 BingoBoingo !t m s.mpoe
15:38 assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00034281 / 0.00036145 / 0.00037646 (3520048 shares, 1,272.34 BTC), 7D: 0.00031083 / 0.00034987 / 0.00037646 (42475653 shares, 14,861.19 BTC), 30D: 0.00023904 / 0.00030515 / 0.00037646 (139278699 shares, 42,501.20 BTC)
15:38 mircea_popescu alrighty then. so apparently alf is a very convinced horse ?
15:38 BingoBoingo ^ hegemoOn that one
15:39 ascii_field crown != yoke
15:39 mircea_popescu orly.
15:39 hegemoOn it's a "futur" ?
15:39 lobbes still, you have the freedom to throw the crown off and sit on thumbs for a year
15:39 BingoBoingo hegemoOn: It's a stock
15:39 mircea_popescu hegemoOn do they have google in your country ?
15:39 ascii_field ^^
15:39 hegemoOn mircea_popescu: no just yahoo
15:39 mircea_popescu lol
15:39 ascii_field if mircea_popescu wanted to, he could vanish from the map and spend the rest of his existence in the company of ice cream, gurlz, and theorems
15:39 BingoBoingo hegemoOn: Look at that 30 day volume though
15:40 mircea_popescu lobbes sure. and in exchange, should you choose to do that, you get to see how they're "phasing out" grassland
15:40 mircea_popescu or whatever the shit they come up with next.
15:40 mircea_popescu sitting on thumbs and stroking cocks over "FOSS!111" has resulted in pretty much unusable software.
15:40 thestringpuller "Even as an avid Bitcoiner, I can't stand waiting for bitcoinqt to sync. Makes me wonder if Gavin/Mike sabotaged it." via https://twitter.com/BitcoinErrorLog/status/608621825703223296
15:40 ascii_field mircea_popescu: i'm not entirely certain that 'we' (en masse) -ever- had 'usable software'
15:41 mircea_popescu ms-dos worked.
15:41 trinque ascii_field | if mircea_popescu wanted to, he could vanish from the map and spend the rest of his existence in the company of ice cream, gurlz, and theorems << and meanwhile they're making theorems illegal
15:41 mircea_popescu and it WAS open source.
15:41 mircea_popescu aha trinque gets it
15:42 ascii_field ms-dos was not asked to do very much. at least, at first. but i still remember screwing with qemm, xms, etc. towards the last years.
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15:42 ascii_field it wasn't fun
15:42 lobbes and meanwhile they're making theorems illegal << just keep running? debatable if that is true freedom, but arguably you wouldn't run out of places to run before end of life
15:42 mircea_popescu lobbes this is EXACTLY what wall street has tried, 1945 - 2015
15:43 mircea_popescu if you think "they" have a different set of problems... they don't.
15:44 ascii_field what problems in particular ?
15:45 * ascii_field a bit puzzled
15:45 shinohai heh https://twitter.com/BitcoinErrorLog/status/608623448974307328
15:45 shinohai *is interesting
15:47 mircea_popescu ascii_field in this case, the "running" he describes.
15:48 ascii_field who is rothchild running from ?
15:51 scoopbot_revived OldApps.com under attack, or this is why you checksum. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/10/oldapps-com-under-attack-or-this-is-why-you-checksum/
15:52 pete_dushenski ^started with "safari sucks a bag o' dix"
15:53 pete_dushenski ended with a planted file on a website hosting old versions of browsers, irc clients, etc.
15:53 mircea_popescu o.O
15:53 mircea_popescu didja email them ?
15:53 pete_dushenski not yet. will now.
15:53 mircea_popescu ascii_field me.
15:56 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Give midori a go. Just keep in mind its SSL implementation is especially retared so http is not going to really offer much of an illusion even of protection
15:56 ascii_field mircea_popescu: wake me up when you catch him. i'd like a finger or toe as keychain.
15:56 ascii_field pete_dushenski: can haz the payload plz ?
15:57 pete_dushenski ascii_field http://www.oldapps.com/mac/firefox.php?old_firefox=14820 << click the floppy disk icon
15:57 assbot Old Version of Firefox 29.0 Download - OldApps.com for Mac ... ( http://bit.ly/1KqzyY7 )
15:57 ascii_field pete_dushenski: no
15:57 ascii_field pete_dushenski: i want -your- binary
15:57 ascii_field with signature
15:57 ascii_field who the fuck knows what is hosted at this moment.
15:58 pete_dushenski good point.
15:58 ascii_field don't ever think of the enemy as a mechanism
15:59 pete_dushenski gimme a sec.
15:59 BingoBoingo Ah, meter reading day.
16:04 BingoBoingo !up ascii_field
16:06 danielpbarron goodwill is my new favorite store! just picked up 5 pairs of shorts and 3 cat5e+ cables for under 30 USD
16:08 BingoBoingo danielpbarron: I still favor Rural king where you can get flowers, carhart, circus peanuts, and an AR-15 in the same trip
16:08 ascii_field BingoBoingo: sounds expensive
16:09 BingoBoingo ascii_field: Prolly would be. Never picked up that last item from there, but it is possible.
16:10 shinohai My closest solution to a decent fap bot thus far are categorized rss feeds.
16:11 BingoBoingo Another hypothetical Rural king shopping trip is beef jerky, well drilling apparatus, unsinkable brown water vessel, and hay.
16:17 ben_vulpes ascii_field: galois's in on the btc-usg-bezzle?
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16:18 nubbins` dat time when -otc failed to produce a buyer for a lowly 1btc sell and nubs had to rely on circle
16:19 danielpbarron i woulda bought it
16:19 mod6 hey nubbins`, did you ever see that issue on gentoo that I was talkin about lastnight?
16:19 nubbins` i don't think so, log me up
16:19 nubbins` danielpbarron you still can
16:19 danielpbarron aha
16:20 nubbins` ;;ticker
16:20 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 228.72, Best ask: 229.02, Bid-ask spread: 0.30000, Last trade: 229.0, 24 hour volume: 10489.59325785, 24 hour low: 227.48, 24 hour high: 230.02, 24 hour vwap: None
16:20 mod6 I haven't looked too deep into it, maybe something I missed. I did apply your & ascii's patches. http://dpaste.com/0DSP4BS.txt
16:20 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KqDBUl )
16:21 nubbins` that's a new one for me
16:21 mod6 I'm using uclibc, so far going well.
16:21 mod6 ok.
16:21 nubbins` are you using the buildroot toolchain?
16:21 nubbins` or targeting gentoo
16:21 mod6 I did have to copy over all of the openssl headers as you were saying once upon a time, but maybe i'm missing something else.
16:21 mod6 no, its just straight v0.5.3.1-RELEASE, i'll get to buildroot eventually.
16:23 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159715 << now, i didn't see with own eyes. nor do i have own intel dept. like mircea_popescu. but from the evidence presently known to me - yes.
16:23 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 20:17:58; ben_vulpes: ascii_field: galois's in on the btc-usg-bezzle?
16:26 hanbot <asciilifeform> http://thewhet.net/2015/browder-the-bitcoinless << do you recall tlp's 'if you're reading it, it's for you' maxim? consider, why is this fella on front page of nyt? vs the $maxint other folks held without trial << i do remember, yeah. results of recommended consideration are grotesque for sure. all the more reason to hang out in here.
16:26 assbot Browder the Bitcoinless | The Whet ... ( http://bit.ly/1KqEqfP )
16:28 nubbins` http://imgur.com/jnkJfnc
16:28 assbot Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1QMQAj2 )
16:31 BingoBoingo Fuck you reddit. The one time there is something almost worthwhile they kill it https://www.reddit.com/r/fatpeoplehate
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16:31 assbot fatpeoplehate: this subreddit has been banned ... ( http://bit.ly/1QMQQP4 )
16:31 nubbins` heh
16:31 nubbins` fat people hate?
16:32 pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/FirefoxSetup29.exe.asc << ascii_field
16:32 ascii_field pete_dushenski: i thought this was a mac binary ?!
16:32 pete_dushenski you thought wrong !
16:32 BingoBoingo Even fucking /r/fatlogic was banned.
16:32 ascii_field and did you just clearsign a binary!?!??!
16:32 pete_dushenski see my article
16:32 ascii_field l0l!
16:33 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Indeed
16:33 ascii_field plz post virginal binary, with detached sig
16:33 ascii_field this one is not usable and i'm surprised your pgptron agreed to shit it out
16:33 BingoBoingo The one time I encounter a hate movement with quality momentum to take off it gets fucking banned.
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16:33 pete_dushenski lol one sex.
16:33 ascii_field (dashes removed, newlines swapped, other things which do not make for a usable winblows exe)
16:34 pete_dushenski ascii_field and there's no detached sig, only checksums
16:37 pete_dushenski !up ascii_field
16:37 pete_dushenski i gotta jet. i'll post it up later. cheers
16:38 nubbins` clearsigned bin :0
16:39 nubbins` no wonder pete has an attitude, he obv doesn't give a fuck :D
16:50 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2014#642266 << broken again
16:50 assbot Logged on 25-04-2014 11:29:00; random_cat: mircea_popescue: <a href="http://xeur.bitcoin-central.net/">here</a> on http://mpex.co/?mpsic=X.EUR is apparently invalid
16:50 danielpbarron ;;later tell davout ^
16:50 gribble The operation succeeded.
16:51 danielpbarron I'm curious as to how this future thing works through coinbr
16:51 BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Last I heard Jurov shows up at you case with a suitcase full of euros
16:52 danielpbarron that's if you have a key registered with MPEx
16:52 danielpbarron oh you said jurov
17:06 mircea_popescu hm yeh dead huh.
17:07 ascii_field ;;later tell pete_dushenski i got it, but you oughta post it publicly.
17:07 gribble The operation succeeded.
17:17 shinohai greetings danielpbarron o/ No news from the wonderful world of bitcoind?
17:17 BingoBoingo http://slimgur.com/
17:17 assbot SLiMGUR - A Shitlord Image Host ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxsFqR )
17:18 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
17:18 ascii_field wtf is a 'shitlord'
17:20 BingoBoingo ascii_field: It's what the social justice types call people who act like people. It was used as a slur too often and now people wear the title shitlord with pride.
17:20 danielpbarron shinohai, my 0.5.3.x pogo is 6 blocks behind my 0.7.2 full size machine, and I'm not sure if it's because the network doesn't like two nodes asking for the same blocks from the same IP or what
17:20 BingoBoingo ascii_field: A shitlord is basic anti-stupid
17:20 BingoBoingo in some form or another
17:21 trinque can confirm, am unrepentant shitlord
17:21 shinohai You got me interested in that pogo thingy. I got one ordered.
17:21 shinohai My other node, however, hums along perfectly of late.
17:21 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159520 << re: "high functioning autism" -- I just found out about this internet phenomenon -> https://youtu.be/wEKLxgRJnAc?t=2m20s
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17:21 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 18:54:56; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159096 << you personally misrepresent your income, for whatever reasons, but you actually are mostly working for warrants these past coupla years. the others - probably a combination of incompetence (note that high functioning autism is still mental incompetence) and similar misrepresentation, similarly for whatever reasons.
17:21 assbot (NSFW) "For J-R's Eyes Only.MOV" A.K.A. PUSSY EATING 102 [4/19/10] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxtfFb )
17:23 mircea_popescu ascii_field originally it was supposed to be some thing really cool 19yo girls with a modelling/pr career say about socially marginal, sexually undesirable geeks. five to ten years later it emerged as the new cool.
17:23 mircea_popescu you know, like "faggot"
17:23 mircea_popescu actually... perhaps more like "punk"
17:24 BingoBoingo https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/a5a81f7354b3aa3e797d973a7e6840f0e50e6533 << What the fuck. LibreSSL syncs fine
17:24 assbot configure: Detect (and reject) LibreSSL · bitcoin/bitcoin@a5a81f7 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxtHTK )
17:24 mircea_popescu lmao wut ?
17:25 mircea_popescu herp, luke being luke.
17:27 davout danielpbarron: werks nao
17:28 davout deedbot-: http://xeur.bitcoin-central.net
17:28 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxuiVK )
17:28 deedbot- accepted: 1
17:28 davout while we're at it
17:28 shinohai http://tpbit.blogspot.ca/2015/06/handling-bitcoins-during-hard-fork.html
17:28 assbot ThePiachu's Bitcoin Blog: Handling bitcoins during a hard fork - pondering Bitcoin XT ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxukgh )
17:35 trinque still chewing on that discussion of freedom
17:35 trinque I tend to think it's a bad concept to work with
17:36 ascii_field trinque: when you have ebola, your concept of health turns into 'not having ebola'
17:36 ascii_field this is both reasonable and practical.
17:36 ascii_field i know exactly what i want to be free of.
17:36 trinque right, one can consider being liberated from a particular shackle
17:38 trinque particularly considering human societies, do I want to be "totally free" whatever that means, playing cards on the worlds nicest beach, or do I want to be a part of the best-functioning giant human meat robot
17:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 178911 @ 0.00036883 = 65.9877 BTC [+] {4}
17:40 danielpbarron https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHKc3liU0AAMckE.jpg << check out my new business card (sorry nubbins` I'm not ready to be a baller yet)
17:40 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IGLvtA )
17:40 trinque I'm skeptical of the american notion of individualism, but am not precisely sure how far to take that skepticism
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17:41 shinohai nice danielpbarron
17:41 trinque probably not getting it across
17:41 BingoBoingo Reddit kinda lulzy at the moment shitlords are revolting against the admins https://www.reddit.com/r/all/
17:41 assbot all subreddits ... ( http://bit.ly/1IGLOED )
17:42 trinque the highest good being some kind of infinite individual liberation sounds like something we crapped into the mental ether
17:43 ascii_field trinque: it is what folks with ideas of their own generally want
17:43 * danielpbarron upvotes it all in total disregard for reddiquette
17:43 ascii_field i, for instance, have sufficient undeveloped inventions to occupy me were i to live even 10,000 years
17:44 trinque are you free of your desire to invent, or does it viscerally urge you without asking first?
17:45 ascii_field what do you think.
17:49 trinque !up ascii_field
17:49 trinque that I can choose to ignore my desires or not, but I have not yet found the controls if any for desiring itself
17:49 trinque they just seem to be there, built in
17:49 trinque this in my ignorance, I think, grasps for an explanation for why the rich don't simply count their gold all day
17:50 ascii_field trinque: see mircea_popescu's example about 'drinking the sea'
17:50 hanbot trinque what does it matter if you have visceral urges or not, beyond using them as a diagnostic to tell whether or not you're alive?
17:50 ascii_field thirsty man thinks he wishes to 'drink the sea'
17:52 trinque hanbot: it's not a question of mattering
17:52 trinque they *are*
17:54 trinque I take a breath because thats what a functioning human body does
17:54 hanbot yeah. but what of it? you can understand them and act rationally, or not. what else is there?
17:54 mircea_popescu <ascii_field> i know exactly what i want to be free of. << my tao cat smile is thiiiiis wide
17:55 mircea_popescu hint : you're well aware that eliberation is not necessarily the path to freedom. nuland's all about eliberations after all :D
17:58 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159753 << you know they could just go to 8chan and leave the corporapizde be.
17:58 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 20:33:45; BingoBoingo: The one time I encounter a hate movement with quality momentum to take off it gets fucking banned.
17:58 ascii_field mircea_popescu: i have been to free-time-land and it was the one part of my life that was actually worth living
17:58 ascii_field so no one can say that i speak of hypotheticals.
17:58 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: There's a settlement of diaspora folk there
18:01 BingoBoingo https://8ch.net/fatpeoplehate/
18:01 assbot /fatpeoplehate/ - We hate fatties ... ( http://bit.ly/1GfB3p6 )
18:01 mircea_popescu seems an imageboard way more adequate than reddit for the purpose anyway
18:02 mircea_popescu and for the record, "accepting" fat people on the mere basis of them being fat people is exactly as morally wrong / intellectually bankrupt as hating them for the same reason.
18:02 trinque hanbot: there's why bother to live in the first place, and act at all
18:03 trinque not something I can say to you, in my case
18:03 hanbot ascii_field i suspect the point is less about the where you are and more about the who you are. whatever gets to you in the present scenario will follow you to free-time-land or anywhere else, though probably in costume.
18:03 ascii_field possibly mircea_popescu did not know this, but in usa 'fat' is a proxy for other things (mainly caste-related)
18:03 trinque people-of-walmart ?
18:03 mircea_popescu fat has always been this.
18:03 mircea_popescu like, women with long nails -> do not need to work -> etc
18:05 trinque hanbot: something along the lines of "because the meat robot is programmed that way" way lower than whatever is having a conversation with itself
18:06 ascii_field mircea_popescu: except we have it here in reverse. in usa, grotesque fat is (in recent decades; not speaking of president taft etc) seen as a sign of poverty (not in the no-money sense, but in the offensively-stupid-poor (tm) )
18:07 mircea_popescu aha. the macula of welfare.
18:07 ascii_field (the 'why' is a separate subject, but it is not a baseless notion)
18:07 mircea_popescu "you may eat for free, but the food will make you stay here"
18:07 ascii_field (tm) (r) hades
18:07 mircea_popescu but mind that reverse-indication is still not different indicatively.
18:08 mircea_popescu whether fat = rich or fat = poor, fat signifies.
18:08 ascii_field in that sense yes
18:08 ascii_field they just flipped the sign bit.
18:08 mircea_popescu and judging by signifiers rather than by realities is exactly the path to perdition
18:09 mircea_popescu this is the crux of the entire discussion (of all text, as it were) : the ought/is debate is exactly this, observing the perils of judging by signifiers.
18:09 mircea_popescu the cause/purpose idem.
18:09 mircea_popescu the map/territory observation, idem.
18:09 ascii_field !s name of the song
18:09 assbot 3 results for 'name of the song' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=name+of+the+song
18:10 mircea_popescu in the end, whosoever references pointers is going to end up with bitrot.
18:10 mircea_popescu but yes, it is "faster". and of course "cheaper"
18:10 ascii_field ;;google Haddocks' Eyes
18:10 gribble Haddocks' Eyes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haddocks'_Eyes>; Haddocks' Eyes?: <http://www.haddockseyes.com/>; Haddocks' Eyes - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXBwWYFTcbE>
18:10 mircea_popescu and we might be able to spend our entire lives running from it
18:10 mircea_popescu or maybe not.
18:11 hanbot trinque i'm sure it's a worthwhile investigation :)
18:11 trinque been up one wall of my skull and down the other; I may be a barbarian
18:11 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> and for the record, "accepting" fat people on the mere basis of them being fat people is exactly as morally wrong / intellectually bankrupt as hating them for the same reason. << Hate is an emotional reaction, in this case to aesthetics
18:12 lobbes is a learned reaction, I would argue
18:12 ascii_field notice that nobody really hates other kinds of deformed folks
18:12 ascii_field e.g. paraplegics
18:13 ascii_field hence the caste connection
18:13 mircea_popescu i imagine the same thing drives people to kill cockroaches / rats / assorted vermin, to wash, to choose their sex mates and to reject fatties.
18:13 mircea_popescu it offends a sense of order.
18:13 ascii_field mircea_popescu: this is especially cartoon-coloured vivid in children
18:13 mircea_popescu ascii_field plenty of people do, actually. children certainly impulsivley hate all abnormality.
18:13 ascii_field this - yes
18:13 mircea_popescu aha!
18:13 shinohai so no BBW porn in the bot. got it.
18:13 mircea_popescu lol
18:13 trinque wah ha ha
18:14 trinque mircea_popescu: that sense of order thing might have something to do with what I'm babbling about
18:14 trinque the kids hate weird because.
18:14 trinque sure I have a rational reason for not wanting to be near someone sneezing
18:14 mircea_popescu https://media.8ch.net/fatpeoplehate/src/1433969031770-0.jpg << kinmda lulzy. who's the bespectacled geek ?
18:14 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1B7jokr )
18:14 trinque doesn't mean that's what hit me first, or caused me to consider it in the first place
18:15 shinohai Chairman Ellen Pao
18:15 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The Pao chick who is their new CEO, the one suing their former employer for insufficient promotions
18:15 trinque reality gives you the options, then you select
18:15 trinque there's no freedom to define reality itself
18:15 mircea_popescu oh
18:16 BingoBoingo But yes this obese underclass is typically refered to as hamplanets, they routinely exceed 350 pounds.
18:17 BingoBoingo It's the corn thing.
18:17 shinohai mircea_popescu should buy reddit and force her to wax floors or something
18:17 mircea_popescu if only it were ham
18:17 mircea_popescu it's usually lard.
18:17 mircea_popescu why would i bother / expend effort and energy to serve her ?
18:20 mircea_popescu anywya, i'm not gonna post on 8chan seeing how i still olathe captchas, but here's my contribution to resolving the conflict & fat acceptance : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI3tGgD4nMk
18:20 assbot Animaniacs - Schnitzelbank - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1B7jXuo )
18:21 mircea_popescu (nordic system)
18:21 nubbins` <+ascii_field> mircea_popescu: i have been to free-time-land and it was the one part of my life that was actually worth living <<< wait now, you've been getting it this whole time? :/
18:21 mircea_popescu lol
18:22 mircea_popescu he's perverse isn't he.
18:22 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
18:22 ascii_field what's so perverse here, l0l
18:26 nubbins` "fat people hate" = zzzz
18:26 nubbins` imagine being so empty of purpose that you put actual energy into creating internet fat shame memes
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18:27 nubbins` how depressing
18:28 mircea_popescu how's this different from "imagine being so empty of purpose that you put actual energy into dirtying paper"
18:30 lobbes ah, is this the cause/purpose thing again?
18:31 lobbes I guess if one genuinely enjoys making shame memes, go for it
18:32 lobbes just don't delude yourself that it is towards a purpose
18:33 mircea_popescu what, dja think those people imagine they're making a better world ?
18:33 mircea_popescu i thought that's the libertard fallacy.
18:34 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski and ben_vulpes are pretty cool though so I feel bad if I hate jooz nao. Hating on smelly butter golems though is fine.
18:34 trinque lol
18:35 ascii_field i'm happy to settle for the dream of making a -worse- world - for the enemy.
18:35 ascii_field good enough motivator for damn near everything i work on
18:36 lobbes BingoBoingo: what if one day you meet a butter golem you genuinely like? either hate big or don't hate at all, I say
18:36 lobbes go for the gusto
18:36 trinque ascii_field: I'm just going for "died on my feet"
18:36 trinque will revise as things improve
18:36 BingoBoingo lobbes: See, good hating begins with wordplay.
18:37 mircea_popescu what's a butter golem ?
18:38 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The sort of rollie pollie that needs a rag on a stick to clean itself and always is covered in an oily sheen
18:40 mircea_popescu oh
18:41 BingoBoingo There's a whole vocabluary. Mini moons are fat kids, hamplanets are big and round. ham galaxies are the ones so big they flatten out on surfaces... Beetus monsters are covered in weeping wounds on their legs
18:42 BingoBoingo Hating on the merely overweight is kind of a non-starter for me, but here in 'Murica there is no shortage of clearly celestial bodies to hate on.
18:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93750 @ 0.00035959 = 33.7116 BTC [-] {2}
18:44 ascii_field BingoBoingo: you would really enjoy dan mocsny's collected writings.
18:45 ascii_field mocsny wrote, among many things, re: how it is not really possible to become 'galactically' fat without a host of 'unsung heroes' - enablers who feed you, wipe arse, etc
18:46 ascii_field and how those folks never seem to get 'press'
18:46 ascii_field yet what they do is not unlike what mengele did
18:46 ascii_field in terms of sheer perversity
18:46 mircea_popescu they just mean to help
18:46 ascii_field mengele also 'helped'
18:46 trinque I hate Yellen far more than any hamplanet
18:47 trinque and many others
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19:12 BingoBoingo !up Pierre_Rochard
19:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125221 @ 0.00037746 = 47.2659 BTC [+] {5}
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19:40 mircea_popescu "The great thing about /r/fatpeoplehate was it was a prominent (6th most active) part of an extremely popular website. This is too private; we aren't pissing off fatties being here."
19:40 mircea_popescu ah mystery explained. k.
19:50 mircea_popescu and in the same ol news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc29b0C5lR1rfma9no1_r1_500.gif
19:50 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2FH87 )
19:53 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159143 << quite unconvincingly. the only reason that guy wasn't warhol is that at the time the libertard infrastructure did not exist that'd support a warhol. he tried and tried, but with libertardicy in its infancy he merely scraped by.
19:53 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 14:05:28; funkenstein_: Henry Miller goes on and on about his right to starve, rather unconvincingly
19:53 mircea_popescu (dali did a lot better, but dali quite specifically whored out to power rather than to plebes)
19:54 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159157 williamdunne's not been around in a few days, relax eh
19:54 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 14:13:23; asciilifeform: ^^^ where the hell is my ticker ?!
19:55 funkenstein_ lol :) well this helps me understand what is meant by libertardicy
19:56 Pierre_Rochard http://www.reddit.com/r/fatpeoplehate2/ < that was fast
19:56 assbot reboot of the newly destroyed fatpeoplehate ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2Giq7 )
19:57 mircea_popescu "we the people" misunderstood as "we the pointlessly hopeful and unwarrantedly aspirational"
19:57 funkenstein_ young, dumb, and full of bezzle ?
19:57 mircea_popescu http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A76BF4503AE2C55107D537EDABB05BDFB3DB93A3CAF697C1C5073FDD9EEF8F4E << interesting how these cluster. now we have a pure M * 29. rather than 11 or 13 rounding out, we get 29 diverging even further from expectation.
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19:57 assbot Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2GohH )
19:58 mircea_popescu funkenstein_ it's really dbezzle/dt. not bezzle yet.
19:58 mircea_popescu likely, not bezzle ever.
19:59 funkenstein_ ah right. "income".
20:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133200 @ 0.00035784 = 47.6643 BTC [-] {3}
20:02 funkenstein_ the latest ben fulford piece is pretty good
20:02 funkenstein_ not sure why i like him, considering a decade of wrong predictions once a week
20:04 mircea_popescu lol
20:07 mircea_popescu and since we're talking art an' freedom, http://trilema.com/2014/the-soft-underbelly-of-hedonism-exposed/
20:07 assbot The soft underbelly of hedonism, exposed. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2HiL0 )
20:14 funkenstein_ i can smell that sundae :)
20:14 funkenstein_ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159811 <-- reminds me of a joke translated to me from mandarin
20:14 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 21:40:27; trinque: I'm skeptical of the american notion of individualism, but am not precisely sure how far to take that skepticism
20:14 funkenstein_ american, african, and chinese are all asked, what's your opinion of your country's food?
20:15 funkenstein_ american says: wait what's my country?
20:15 funkenstein_ african says: wait what's food?
20:15 funkenstein_ chinese says: wait, what's my opinion?
20:17 mircea_popescu lol
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20:45 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159963 << go ahead & generate a few million 4096-bit turds using your favourite /dev/random. see how many divisible by 29.
20:45 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 23:57:56; mircea_popescu: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A76BF4503AE2C55107D537EDABB05BDFB3DB93A3CAF697C1C5073FDD9EEF8F4E << interesting how these cluster. now we have a pure M * 29. rather than 11 or 13 rounding out, we get 29 diverging even further from expectation.
20:46 mircea_popescu just about every 30th :D
20:46 asciilifeform so whence the 'divergence from expectation' ?
20:50 mircea_popescu we currently have 29 like 4 times (expected 2ish) and 11 or 13 0 times
20:50 mircea_popescu this is all re http://trilema.com/2015/the-strange-case-of-the-unentropic-entropy-and-other-bedtime-stories-of-primes-and-people/
20:50 assbot The strange case of the unentropic entropy and other bedtime stories of primes and people. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1f3ZkFJ )
20:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: try confining the search to the non-mirrored moduli
20:50 asciilifeform although these, too, may have odd properties, being (as far as i can determine) mutilated versions of 'proper' ones
20:51 asciilifeform not certain if we have a sufficiently large sample of these to make solid empirical conjecture
20:51 asciilifeform (number theorists in the audience, please ready your barf bags)
20:54 asciilifeform funkenstein_: i prefer: 'american says: what's food? chinese says: country ? african: wait, someone asked for my opinion?!'
20:55 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159915 << the problem with agreeing to become the ball in a game of liberasty football is that, well, folks will kick you
20:55 assbot Logged on 10-06-2015 22:26:59; nubbins`: imagine being so empty of purpose that you put actual energy into creating internet fat shame memes
20:59 asciilifeform !up Vexual
21:00 Vexual hi, the amount of alcohol required to parse the logs is increasing
21:02 asciilifeform mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al: did we ever discuss nuking the 'randomized change address' thing ?
21:02 asciilifeform because in my considered opinion, it is clinically retarded
21:02 asciilifeform and must die (tm)
21:02 Vexual just a matter of time
21:03 Vexual what the foundation policy on sending small amounts?
21:03 asciilifeform Vexual: none of this is 'matter of time.' if we shoot it in the head, it dies. otherwise - lives.
21:03 asciilifeform and i don't see how amounts matter.
21:03 Vexual yeah, that was more aabout the amount of alcohol reqd
21:03 asciilifeform l0l
21:04 Vexual so why disallow sending 1 satoshi?
21:04 asciilifeform Vexual: go, send
21:04 asciilifeform other folks won't retransmit, because 'sheepskin not worth the tanning'
21:05 Vexual yes yes
21:06 asciilifeform Vexual: we're not in the business of trying to euchre strange into the network rules. for that, go straight to phoundation.
21:06 asciilifeform i'm kinda surprised that gavin and his merry gnomish friends have not attempted to reinstate 'dust'
21:07 asciilifeform to help fill blocks
21:07 Vexual what of poorly designed services that might send unconfirmed amounts with fees then?
21:07 Vexual another matter^
21:07 asciilifeform what of poorly designed services that connect a user's mouth to his own arse ?
21:08 Vexual well im postulating, i dont know of any
21:09 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what's the problem with it ?
21:10 asciilifeform with what ?
21:11 Vexual dust
21:11 asciilifeform Vexual: just postulating that gavin & co would like to see blocks fill up, to help push their phork
21:14 funkenstein_ lifting all these blocks gonna give me a hearneia
21:15 mircea_popescu the change address
21:15 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the classical 'random change address' is absolutely lethal to wallet backups
21:15 asciilifeform thought that this was obvious to all
21:16 asciilifeform i have serious trouble grasping what justification there could possibly be for it
21:17 asciilifeform i can't fathom how a serious bitcoin user would be willing to tolerate it.
21:17 mircea_popescu nothing prevents you from generating any arbitrary count of addresses.
21:17 funkenstein_ one solution is to just rip out all the wallet stuff completely
21:18 mircea_popescu moreover, backups should be periodic anyway.
21:18 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: speaking here of the default 'sendtoaddress' behaviour.
21:18 mircea_popescu yes
21:18 asciilifeform funkenstein_: we spoke of this. i say that'd be braindamaged, because we are maintaining a -reference client-
21:18 mircea_popescu you can pre-load your wallet with 100k addresses for future use.
21:18 asciilifeform which means that it is a complete description of bitcoin.
21:18 asciilifeform this is why the cpu miner stays
21:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: yes, you can. but bitcoind as we have it will generate a 100,001th if you fire it.
21:19 asciilifeform (alternatively, we could deprecate 'sendtoaddress' in favour of 'sendmany' only)
21:20 mircea_popescu alternatively we could just leave this be for now and focus on CLOSING things rather than opening new things before we closed anything.
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21:20 asciilifeform did not say it has to be shot -today-.
21:20 mircea_popescu aha.
21:20 asciilifeform (not like it's a hard patch)
21:20 asciilifeform but as overall question.
21:21 asciilifeform why keep a pistol that fires towards the hilt in your pistol collection ?
21:21 funkenstein_ by random change address, I thought you meant the order it is listed in the TX
21:21 mircea_popescu because it's your father's pistol collection and nobody asked you anything ?
21:22 mircea_popescu throwing out the pistols that are on fire is one thing
21:22 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: by that token, ought not to touch any of it, l0l
21:22 mircea_popescu but the rest can be shaved later
21:22 mircea_popescu well...
21:23 asciilifeform i see the 'generate change addr' as a boobytrap for the unwary (and extra lines of code) with no rational justification for continued existence
21:23 asciilifeform but that's just me.
21:23 mircea_popescu but anyway, the change address mechanism is bizarre, esp in its interraction with backups, but imo not actually doing anything bad. you shouldn't have backups that it affects negatively anyway, if you comprehend backups.
21:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: how do you propose to create a backup that it won't affect ?
21:24 mircea_popescu there's a huge difference from taking out harmful stuff and taking out spurious stuff. these are never ghoing to be the first step, and we've not completed the first step yet
21:24 mircea_popescu ergo, they're untouchable for now
21:24 mircea_popescu asciilifeform when you speak of "a" backup you're already out in cosmic space. backups are a process not an item.
21:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the 'generate addr' for instance prevents the use of the hypothetical 'brainwallet' machine discussed earlier.
21:25 mircea_popescu tough :D
21:25 asciilifeform well, on closer look, it doesn't.
21:25 asciilifeform (you craft a tx and feed it into the machine for signing, when you visit the darkroom)
21:27 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: speaking of 'hands off father's pistols,' i'm still waiting for a 'meta,' 'theevenmorerealbitcoin.org' which will take issue with the excision of 'orphans' etc
21:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8872 @ 0.00037892 = 3.3618 BTC [+]
21:28 asciilifeform if the enemy had any class to speak of, this'd be a master trolltron
21:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5081 @ 0.00037212 = 1.8907 BTC [-]
21:30 asciilifeform unrelated:
21:30 asciilifeform has anyone contemplated collecting the set of sks keys which crash the parser ?
21:30 asciilifeform i bet a good chunk of those is stego blob
21:30 asciilifeform for botnet c&c, etc.
21:31 asciilifeform (since sks will apparently host -anything- purporting to be a key)
21:31 asciilifeform and - apparently - permanently
21:32 asciilifeform or is this, too, folks are waiting for me to do.
21:32 asciilifeform there is no reason to wait!
21:32 asciilifeform it isn't hard or anything.
21:32 asciilifeform not like i didn't post example code here.
21:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25909 @ 0.00037212 = 9.6413 BTC [-]
21:33 funkenstein_ easier to use pastebin or mega methinks
21:33 asciilifeform funkenstein_: nope.
21:33 asciilifeform funkenstein_: both are heavily censored, and entirely centralized
21:33 asciilifeform sks is more like usenet
21:33 asciilifeform write-only
21:34 asciilifeform or rather, write-once
21:34 asciilifeform i'm frankly surprised that it hasn't been spammed to cinders
21:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform enemy is not in it for aesthetic considerations
21:35 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aethetics are not entirely separable from utility here
21:35 asciilifeform in a propaganda war
21:36 mircea_popescu maybe, but this cockroach doesn't fly.
21:36 asciilifeform but where are the other insects, which -do- fly ?
21:36 asciilifeform why absent ?
21:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform judging by the alleged models they use, i'd be surprised too. except i don't believe even for a second the inept allegations of the shithead ycombinator parade.
21:37 asciilifeform which allegations ?
21:38 * asciilifeform has not been keeping up with the flea circus
21:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21751 @ 0.00037892 = 8.2419 BTC [+]
21:45 mircea_popescu that "this is just how sks servers work"
21:45 asciilifeform not like the code is not public
21:45 asciilifeform who wants - go, read.
21:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.00037677 = 4.427 BTC [-]
21:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32000 @ 0.0003771 = 12.0672 BTC [+] {2}
21:57 decimation asciilifeform: are you saying google is gonna buy sks servers and slowly fade them away?
21:57 mod6 Going back to this error from lastnight: net.cpp:1358:23: error: 'INT64_MIN' was not declared in this scope
21:59 decimation mod6 is there an INT64_MIN in bitcoin? jurov's tool doesn't see it
21:59 mod6 here's what I discovered: ``#define __STDC_LIMIT_MACROS'' is in ``headers.h''. But if I add ``#define __STDC_LIMIT_MACROS'' with ``#include <stdint.h>'' directly after the #define in net.cpp, then it compiles fine. I found the same errors in util.cpp and wallet.cpp. Added those two lines fixes it in all places.
22:00 mod6 decimation: should be line 1359 int64 nBest = INT64_MIN; of (net.cpp)
22:01 mod6 im not sure what jurov's thing shows. i go by what's in the v0.5.3.1-RELEASE.tar.gz with hash: 5c41fe6cf286770a25bf61ab0c35747d0c760f8656754296d2e1d3c4274b5686
22:01 decimation ls
22:03 mod6 anyway, after I fixed those hiccups, then I ran into this when linking. any thoughts here? this is a gentoo with nearly nothing installed... : http://dpaste.com/0HQTB32.txt
22:03 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KXrLiy )
22:05 decimation INT64_MIN is defined in stdint.h on my redhat machine
22:05 decimation adding #include <stdint.h> should be cool
22:06 decimation the linker is saying it can't find your built libssl and libcrypto
22:07 mod6 yeah, i tried with just ``#include <stdint.h>'', no dice, same error. my /usr/include/stdint.h has: #if !defined __cplusplus || defined __STDC_LIMIT_MACROS ... # define INT64_MIN (-__INT64_C(9223372036854775807)-1)
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22:07 mod6 <+decimation> the linker is saying it can't find your built libssl and libcrypto << hmm i guess i can understand libcrypto, but openssl was built with auto.sh... would have though it could ifnd it..
22:08 decimation did it actually build?
22:08 mod6 ip-172-31-2-241 bitcoin-v0_5_3_1 # whereis libcrypto libcrypto: /usr/lib/libcrypto.so
22:08 mod6 ah, it's an .so... so maybe it's looking for a .a
22:08 decimation yep
22:08 decimation you told it -Wl,-Bstatic
22:08 mod6 openssl? yeah, i believe it built just fine.
22:09 mod6 I have that whole part saved in a typescript. lemme check
22:09 decimation is your target libcrypto and libssl in /usr/lib or in your built auto.sh targets?
22:10 decimation like, libssl.a and libcrypto.a should be in /mnt/btc-dev/sandbox-20150609-v0531-gentoo-uclibc/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/lib
22:12 mod6 ip-172-31-2-241 sandbox-20150609-v0531-gentoo-uclibc # find /mnt/btc-dev/sandbox-20150609-v0531-gentoo-uclibc -name "*libssl*" \ /mnt/btc-dev/sandbox-20150609-v0531-gentoo-uclibc/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/openssl-1.0.1g/libssl.pc \ /mnt/btc-dev/sandbox-20150609-v0531-gentoo-uclibc/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/openssl-1.0.1g/libssl.a
22:12 decimation yeah but that's not in ourlibs/lib
22:12 mod6 the typescript does say that it had some error installing the documents or something though, but other than that, looks ok.
22:13 decimation yeah and when it failed to install documents it didn't move it to ourlibs/lib
22:13 decimation which is where bitcoin's makefile wants it
22:13 decimation you are probably missing that one tool
22:13 mod6 ah, thanks decimation. that's probably the other part of what nubbins` was saying before about not being copied correctly. i had to copy the headers by hand for it to compile...
22:13 decimation I think I told you about the docs
22:13 mod6 ah, ok.
22:14 decimation I remember looking into it
22:14 decimation I think I solved it by turning off doc generation
22:16 mod6 ok copied libcrypto.a and libssl.a into ourlibs/lib
22:16 mod6 got passed that problem... but now have something else.
22:17 decimation yeah it's that perl doc bullshit
22:17 decimation it makes make install fail
22:17 mod6 http://dpaste.com/2PJ42CQ.txt
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22:17 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KXtxAn )
22:22 decimation it's a weak symbol, the unwind shit is related to debugging
22:27 decimation I'm not sure what the issue is exactly, it's probably some complicated ulibc <-> gcc interaction
22:29 mod6 hmm. well, this didn't help either: recompile with -fPIC
22:29 mod6 maybe I have it in the wrong spot though.
22:31 mod6 gentoo has a page that mentions PIEs & PICs... maybe i can try without -fPIE and see what happens.
22:33 mod6 https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Hardened/Toolchain
22:33 assbot Hardened/Toolchain - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1KXvJYH )
22:39 mod6 didn't seem to help: http://dpaste.com/0FV0TC3.txt
22:39 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KXwD7n )
22:39 mod6 hmm...
22:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32484 @ 0.00036214 = 11.7638 BTC [-] {2}
22:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14266 @ 0.0003576 = 5.1015 BTC [-]
22:50 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160111 << i spoke of this a month or two ago. afaik - unsolved
22:50 assbot Logged on 11-06-2015 02:07:08; mod6: yeah, i tried with just ``#include <stdint.h>'', no dice, same error. my /usr/include/stdint.h has: #if !defined __cplusplus || defined __STDC_LIMIT_MACROS ... # define INT64_MIN (-__INT64_C(9223372036854775807)-1)
22:51 asciilifeform !s stdint
22:51 assbot 8 results for 'stdint' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=stdint
22:51 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160137 << you still have dns invocations in there
22:51 assbot Logged on 11-06-2015 02:17:35; mod6: http://dpaste.com/2PJ42CQ.txt
22:54 mod6 oh you think that's causing this issue?
22:54 asciilifeform mod6: two separate issues here!
22:55 mod6 well, i've got the stdint thing figured out for the time being. i've applied your patch "asciilifeform-kills-integer-retardation.patch" and "nubs-gentoo-sanity.patch".
22:55 asciilifeform this worked ?
22:57 mod6 no, those where in there from the beginning. i ended up adding ``#define __STDC_LIMIT_MACROS'' with ``#include <stdint.h>'' to net.cpp, util.cpp and wallet.cpp and then is ok.
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22:57 mod6 the other issue is the linking thing...
22:58 mod6 the linker is saying that an R_X86_64_PC32 relocation against an undefined symbol can't be used in a shared object... maybe your removal of the dns shit fixes this. not sure. will try adding that patch as well if this next thing doesn't work.
22:59 asciilifeform what symbol ?
23:00 mod6 __GI___pthread_cleanup_upto
23:01 asciilifeform ferphuxxsake
23:01 asciilifeform what triggers this ?
23:01 mod6 did you look at this? http://dpaste.com/2PJ42CQ.txt
23:01 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHDGUr )
23:02 mod6 unless i'm just dumb, and it's related to "getnameinfo()", but i honestly didn't think it was reated.
23:02 mod6 *related
23:03 asciilifeform methinks we got our first uclibc-ism here
23:03 decimation no getnameifo isn't at fault
23:03 decimation it's something to do with linking between ulibc, gcc, pthread
23:03 asciilifeform try building a boost-y 'hello world' statically with uclibc
23:03 decimation http://blog.docker.com/2013/06/create-light-weight-docker-containers-buildroot/ < some dude found the same problem
23:03 assbot Create lightweight Docker containers with Buildroot | Docker Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHDSmF )
23:05 mod6 decimation: i saw that there. lol, there aren't many people who've encoutered this.
23:05 decimation not this exact error, no
23:05 asciilifeform the set of folks doing static builds today consists - approximately - of us.
23:05 asciilifeform (and perhaps the linuxbios folks)
23:05 mircea_popescu and some more isolated pockets, but yeah
23:06 decimation yeah
23:06 asciilifeform microcontroller folks, too
23:06 asciilifeform but none of'em are stuck with cpp, much less 'boost'
23:09 decimation heh yeah only crazies would consider writing cpp for embedded or static linking
23:09 decimation mod6 what version of ulibc are you using
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23:10 decimation http://www.uclibc.org/downloads/ChangeLog-0.9.31_0.9.32 < "Date: Fri May 27 17:08:36 2011 +0200 Fix build issue due to missing symbols in !NPTL case: - _longjmp_unwind"
23:10 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHECIt )
23:11 asciilifeform does uclibs even contain setjmp() routines ?
23:11 asciilifeform *uclibc
23:11 * asciilifeform looks, learns that it does. or claims to.
23:13 mod6 <+decimation> mod6 what version of ulibc are you using << lemme see what i can find.
23:16 mod6 0.9.33.2 looks like: http://dpaste.com/21W7WXW.txt
23:16 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MqF6jN )
23:16 decimation asciilifeform: http://bugs.rosalinux.ru/show_bug.cgi?id=1127
23:16 assbot Bug 1127 – segmentation fault error when the busybox execute ... ( http://bit.ly/1MqFdvI )
23:16 decimation https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=32219
23:16 assbot 32219 – optimizer causes wrong code in pic/hidden/weak symbol checking. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MqFheX )
23:18 decimation lol it's a gcc bug reported in 2007, not fixed until 2015
23:18 decimation mod6: what version of gcc are you using
23:18 mod6 gcc (Gentoo Hardened 4.8.4 p1.5, pie-0.6.1) 4.8.4
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23:32 decimation unless the fix was backported, you need gcc 5.1
23:32 decimation if it's this gcc bug, it wasn't fixed until 13 feb 2015
23:34 decimation https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2015-02/msg00410.html < gcc patch that maybe fixed the issue
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23:34 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHHRQ2 )
23:36 mod6 hmm...
23:46 mod6 so this might not be a problem, but i was just looking at the environement to see if something is out of whack. it seems the /usr/bin/gcc isn't quite the same as the /usr/x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc/gcc-bin/4.8.4/x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc-gcc : http://dpaste.com/19T1QMN.txt
23:46 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHJehC )
23:46 mod6 Is this wrong?
23:47 mod6 they do have different hashes, etc.
23:47 decimation I'm not sure, but I do know if that if the fix I found above isn't integrated it might not matter
23:48 mod6 yeah. it seems weird from that other link that uclibc should have a fix applied in branch 0.9.32, or did i misunderstand that.
23:49 mod6 so thinking that my 0.9.33.2 /should/ be okay...
23:51 mod6 <+decimation> https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2015-02/msg00410.html < gcc patch that maybe fixed the issue << is there any likelihood that this patch can be applied to 4.8.4? or is 5.x required?
23:51 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHJJIt )
23:51 decimation I donno, I'm not a gcc expert
23:52 mod6 ok. np. the message didn't say. i guess i could try pulling the 4.8.4 source or whatever and see.
23:52 mod6 i would think i would need to build whatevre this is: x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc-gcc (Gentoo Hardened 4.8.4 p1.5, pie-0.6.1) 4.8.4 + the obscure patch in msg00410
23:53 mod6 makes me as jumpy as a longtalied cat in a room full of rocking chairs.
23:54 decimation hehe me too
23:56 decimation !up bekusoararu
23:57 mod6 mod6: Sir Grayhawk, I would like to use this recipe to craft a static apple pie. Sir Grayhawk: Let me traide you for this here Universe Schematic.
23:59 bekusoararu ^^
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