| 00:00 |
asciilifeform |
ultima ratio regum (tm) !! |
| 00:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94328 @ 0.00060731 = 57.2863 BTC [+] {4} |
| 00:00 |
asciilifeform |
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/Ultima_Ratio_Regum_Cannon.jpg << him |
| 00:00 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1IsrSmf ) |
| 00:00 |
mircea_popescu |
yes there may be a why somewhere. maybe there is. maybe they jacked off and spludged in that shape. none of your busienss in any case. |
| 00:00 |
asciilifeform |
something quite like that. |
| 00:01 |
mircea_popescu |
consider the problem of cannon in ww2. obviously, an -ev machinery IN OUR CURRENT PEACETIME TERMS. |
| 00:01 |
asciilifeform |
but how do we end up ^there from _here |
| 00:01 |
mircea_popescu |
at the time, its ev was UNDEFINED |
| 00:01 |
mircea_popescu |
there were like 6 capital allocators |
| 00:01 |
mircea_popescu |
did this mean 6 cannons total ? |
| 00:01 |
asciilifeform |
this is why i said 'like cannon' aha. |
| 00:03 |
mircea_popescu |
not even necessarily a likely or in any case the only stable solution |
| 00:03 |
asciilifeform |
was trying to think of some others |
| 00:03 |
mircea_popescu |
but the ev consideration, and the capital allocation consideration, and operations are three points forming a triangle |
| 00:03 |
asciilifeform |
on the off chance that one of them happens to be engineerable |
| 00:03 |
mircea_popescu |
the obvious one is the communitard "cooperative" thing socialists always rave about. |
| 00:03 |
mircea_popescu |
"we've surpassed money" |
| 00:04 |
asciilifeform |
where is the 'coop' z80 ? |
| 00:04 |
mircea_popescu |
like you know, the one in the gand story |
| 00:04 |
mircea_popescu |
well of fucking course it doesn't work |
| 00:04 |
mircea_popescu |
(but that's because it never was given a chance. you know, like al's thing) |
| 00:04 |
asciilifeform |
it tried, i have a bag of'em here |
| 00:04 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00058431 = 5.3757 BTC [-] {3} |
| 00:04 |
asciilifeform |
but that was that |
| 00:05 |
mircea_popescu |
and i'm entirely at a loss as to why you'd want to engineer THAT |
| 00:05 |
asciilifeform |
(it is interesting that - afaik - no detailed production masks, notes, etc. from sov. clones of dec, zilog, etc. ever surfaced publicly during the collapse. quite possibly this is pure misfortune, the net did not arrive in time to catch'em, and/or no one digitized the materials) |
| 00:06 |
mircea_popescu |
"my faucet leaks so i wonder how this gravity curvature of spacetime thing could be made to work to my benefit" |
| 00:06 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform if only that were the answer. |
| 00:06 |
asciilifeform |
for the mundane reason of wanting own si. |
| 00:06 |
mircea_popescu |
the true answer is much more sad than that. |
| 00:06 |
asciilifeform |
^ that nobody gave half a fuck ? |
| 00:06 |
* |
asciilifeform knew that |
| 00:06 |
mircea_popescu |
so you don't want to own a faucet, instead prefer to alter schroedinger with your mind ? |
| 00:06 |
mircea_popescu |
wtf. |
| 00:06 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform no, not that. |
| 00:07 |
mircea_popescu |
you know what also was lost, exactly the same way, for exactly the same reason ? |
| 00:07 |
mircea_popescu |
the detailed procedures of industry, as employed in the 1800s. |
| 00:07 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
| 00:07 |
asciilifeform |
the top hats! |
| 00:07 |
mircea_popescu |
like, how they ACTUALLY made the fucking looms work. |
| 00:07 |
* |
asciilifeform recalls mircea_popescu's article re: same |
| 00:07 |
mircea_popescu |
the reason is... because... not having the much hated IP at the time, |
| 00:07 |
mircea_popescu |
there was 0 incentive for anyone wit ha clue to share. |
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| 00:07 |
mircea_popescu |
so they took it to grave and fuck you. |
| 00:08 |
asciilifeform |
like dks and the lisp machine blueprints, aha |
| 00:08 |
asciilifeform |
(i confronted him personally, at his house, he said 'stuff it') |
| 00:08 |
asciilifeform |
and 'ip' |
| 00:09 |
mircea_popescu |
myeah. |
| 00:09 |
mircea_popescu |
so you know... that's the large thing here. unless we manage to make the wot actually work for this purpose |
| 00:09 |
mircea_popescu |
we're in so many words proper fucked |
| 00:09 |
mircea_popescu |
because ip is going away, there's no fixing it. |
| 00:09 |
asciilifeform |
sorta what i was getting at |
| 00:09 |
mircea_popescu |
and without it, we're back to 1800 |
| 00:09 |
asciilifeform |
(among other) |
| 00:09 |
asciilifeform |
1300. |
| 00:10 |
mircea_popescu |
somewhere between maybe. |
| 00:10 |
asciilifeform |
1300+kalash |
| 00:10 |
asciilifeform |
(for a spell anyway) |
| 00:11 |
mircea_popescu |
the only good news is that wot can in fact owrk for this puropose. it solves it completely. |
| 00:11 |
mircea_popescu |
whether it catches tho... |
| 00:11 |
mircea_popescu |
but there's worse flags to die under, so there's that. |
| 00:11 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: in somewhat related nyooz, i've been experimenting with what for now i call 'v' - a very dumb 'versioner' that i've been writing, which eats solely 0) pgp keys 1) patches 2) signatures for same, many-to-many mapping of (2) to (1) |
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| 00:12 |
asciilifeform |
and walks graphz |
| 00:12 |
asciilifeform |
once actually useful, will post draft. |
| 00:12 |
mircea_popescu |
cool |
| 00:13 |
asciilifeform |
(i don't grasp the need for notions like 'check in' or 'check out', etc. one instead throws patches and sigs in a pot, and then proceeds to ask for graph, and then select a leaf on said graph - and get a src tree out.) |
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| 00:14 |
mircea_popescu |
to celebrate, a) http://36.media.tumblr.com/553cb4545aac61708c7ee0e5ed3731b4/tumblr_n4zbzvKHQ31sn0ybqo2_1280.jpg b) http://41.media.tumblr.com/c54ca2d22753e155762833ed0a90fab5/tumblr_n4zbzvKHQ31sn0ybqo1_1280.jpg c) http://40.media.tumblr.com/fba60944df78dda1dda52e448775a54e/tumblr_n4zbzvKHQ31sn0ybqo4_1280.jpg |
| 00:14 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1IssZ5B ) |
| 00:14 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1IssXdH ) |
| 00:14 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1IssZlU ) |
| 00:14 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform this sounds like it. |
| 00:15 |
asciilifeform |
programmatizing gpg is a pain, though. |
| 00:15 |
asciilifeform |
(sorta like gcc..) |
| 00:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38450 @ 0.00061555 = 23.6679 BTC [+] {5} |
| 00:16 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1229902 << i bet you that if you ship the suit and the si, hf etc to danielpbarron he's washing it. |
| 00:16 |
assbot |
Logged on 08-08-2015 01:41:29; asciilifeform: find me a fella willing to wear a gas suit and wash si in HF all day, every day, 'for the good of' something-or-other. |
| 00:16 |
asciilifeform |
or i wash it. |
| 00:16 |
asciilifeform |
which makes 2 washers. |
| 00:17 |
mircea_popescu |
two washers coming right up : http://41.media.tumblr.com/0f2114f3bb7da3c41291fd29457bf6c4/tumblr_nc1i5hod2J1sitnino1_1280.jpg |
| 00:17 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1IstjB6 ) |
| 00:17 |
asciilifeform |
mm neat. |
| 00:21 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1230197 << there is a famous and quasi-mythological story about ww2 factory where ппш-41 ( http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/11/112064/1619943-ars57_6.jpg ) was made. |
| 00:21 |
assbot |
Logged on 08-08-2015 04:07:42; mircea_popescu: there was 0 incentive for anyone wit ha clue to share. |
| 00:21 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1MXmF99 ) |
| 00:21 |
asciilifeform |
involved workmen pissing in barrels to anneal |
| 00:21 |
asciilifeform |
and a serious lapse in quality when somehow the staffing rotated and this was not done |
| 00:22 |
* |
asciilifeform believes that this tale, if has any factual ground, is a corruption of some other thing that was actually physically plausible |
| 00:23 |
asciilifeform |
the basic root of the matter is that 'industrial production' is an abstraction ~on top of~ craftsmanship in the same way as the digital computer is an abstraction on top of analogue solid-state physics |
| 00:24 |
asciilifeform |
the abstraction is imperfect and necessarily leaks. |
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| 00:24 |
mircea_popescu |
this is a recurring theme throughout the history of agrarian civilisations trying to internalise the industrial revolution - chiefly by putting a bit of their flesh i nthe machine. the jews supposedly making bread out of goy boy blood, the wine made by stepping on grapes, the sovet factory that ceased to work once they forbade huyspeak... |
| 00:25 |
mircea_popescu |
it's a thing. |
| 00:25 |
asciilifeform |
the last time this surfaced in a major way was when cnc lathe & mill were introduced, in the '50s (paper tape!) and engineers took to the notion that machinists could now be dispensed with |
| 00:25 |
asciilifeform |
this led to 'produce scrap metal at very high speed' (tm) |
| 00:25 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 00:28 |
cazalla |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229411 <<< seems after about age 5 the wind changed and hillary has remained ugly ever since |
| 00:28 |
assbot |
Logged on 07-08-2015 18:06:20; BingoBoingo: https://cryptome.org/2015-info/trump-hair/trump-hair-history.htm vs. https://cryptome.org/2015-info/hillary-hair/hillary-hair-history.htm |
| 00:29 |
mircea_popescu |
no way, hilary was a hottie in her teens and 20s |
| 00:30 |
asciilifeform |
!up benkay |
| 00:30 |
asciilifeform |
^ divorced ? |
| 00:30 |
benkay |
no no |
| 00:30 |
cazalla |
mircea_popescu, please to be providing example as i'm not seeing it |
| 00:33 |
mircea_popescu |
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/05/30/article-2333538-1A12D171000005DC-329_634x921.jpg sorta thing |
| 00:33 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1Isuv7K ) |
| 00:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00059264 = 6.3412 BTC [-] |
| 00:34 |
mircea_popescu |
http://41.media.tumblr.com/56a43e8b2097da536f106013219545ce/tumblr_nb8la5sWsj1tek4uno1_1280.jpg whatever. |
| 00:34 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1IsuznL ) |
| 00:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56700 @ 0.00061557 = 34.9028 BTC [+] {4} |
| 00:35 |
asciilifeform |
'where did all the ' txspam 'go, long time paaaassing, where did the' txspam 'go, long time ago...' |
| 00:36 |
asciilifeform |
where have all the phat blox gone, they're all under 300K every one... |
| 00:36 |
ben_vulpes |
'when will they ever learn?' |
| 00:36 |
asciilifeform |
oooh when will they eeever learn |
| 00:36 |
ben_vulpes |
where have all the core devs gone |
| 00:36 |
ben_vulpes |
long time paaaaassing |
| 00:36 |
mircea_popescu |
heh |
| 00:36 |
cazalla |
mircea_popescu, one good, lucky, weird angled shot or in other words the exception that proves the rule, this ain't hot for a college chick |
| 00:37 |
asciilifeform |
https://twitter.com/dakami/status/629822315837009920?s=09 << from the l0lfarms |
| 00:37 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla you know the comparison is drastically unfair because fucktarded feminists of the 70s had nfi they are required to take nude cuntshots in bathroom or wear makeup |
| 00:37 |
asciilifeform |
( https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3g7bpa/brainwallet_shut_down_permanently_due_to << re same ) |
| 00:38 |
mircea_popescu |
why would brain wallets want or need a derpy website ? |
| 00:39 |
asciilifeform |
why did 'truecrypt' ? |
| 00:39 |
asciilifeform |
(which went to the same garbage collector in the sky, in approximately the same way) |
| 00:40 |
cazalla |
a search of "1970s college chicks" turns up http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2706084/The-yearbook-never-An-arts-college-1970s-hair-big-parties-raucous-nudity-welcomed-VERY-liberal.html |
| 00:40 |
assbot |
'The yearbook we never had!' An arts college in the 1970s where the hair was big, the parties raucous and nudity welcomed among the VERY liberal | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1Isv8hq ) |
| 00:40 |
ben_vulpes |
"What if someone was using that site and now needs to be able to use the phrase that memorized to get back the keys??? |
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| 00:40 |
ben_vulpes |
Yes, I have an offline backup but say they did not? How can they find the equivalent thing to get back their keys???" |
| 00:40 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: if you think that no one is ~that~ retarded... think again |
| 00:41 |
asciilifeform |
but whole sheband is probably smoke for something else entirely. |
| 00:41 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla she was with the stupid girls, which is how she ended up in the shitter. |
| 00:41 |
ben_vulpes |
just a tiny lolfruit i picked for the lolfarm |
| 00:41 |
asciilifeform |
*shebang |
| 00:41 |
ben_vulpes |
sheband lol |
| 00:41 |
mircea_popescu |
think bitcoin chamber of commerce derpette, 40 years ago. |
| 00:41 |
ben_vulpes |
oh yeah what's miss boring up to these days? |
| 00:41 |
asciilifeform |
'Ryan is also the author of brainflayer, a utility that attempts to find a guided brute force solution to brainwallet addresses.' |
| 00:41 |
asciilifeform |
^ somebody reads #b-a logz |
| 00:41 |
asciilifeform |
re: 'coke machine' |
| 00:42 |
ben_vulpes |
http://www.neverobsolete.com/girls/this-weeks-boring-pics-49-photos/ |
| 00:42 |
assbot |
This Week’s Boring Pics [49 photos] – Never Obsolete ... ( http://bit.ly/1Isvjt9 ) |
| 00:43 |
ben_vulpes |
http://digitalchamber.org/ << good ol con con |
| 00:43 |
assbot |
Chamber of Digital Commerce - Chamber of Digital Commerce ... ( http://bit.ly/1IsvkNL ) |
| 00:44 |
asciilifeform |
boring << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-07-2015#1196931 |
| 00:44 |
assbot |
Logged on 10-07-2015 19:30:37; ascii_field: where i live - they're monosyllabic. mental age permanently 12 or so |
| 00:44 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla seems about as unhot as possible. |
| 00:45 |
mircea_popescu |
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/25/article-2706084-1FFCC19200000578-982_964x637.jpg < srsly ?! |
| 00:45 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1MXpfMu ) |
| 00:46 |
cazalla |
well shit that slipped by my radar, i was looking more at the painted ass http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/25/article-2706084-1FFB770600000578-256_964x643.jpg |
| 00:46 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1MXpkzO ) |
| 00:46 |
cazalla |
gotta be better than hillary anyway |
| 00:47 |
* |
mircea_popescu goes to nekkid parties / occsionally fucks a slavegirl in public but they never to date looked this shitty. |
| 00:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64050 @ 0.00061557 = 39.4273 BTC [+] {3} |
| 00:47 |
* |
ben_vulpes has nfi why hillary's past looks matter |
| 00:47 |
ben_vulpes |
she's as wrinkly as any other senator now |
| 00:47 |
ben_vulpes |
death comes for us all |
| 00:47 |
mircea_popescu |
DEATH! COMES FOR YOU ALL! |
| 00:47 |
asciilifeform |
why does the Al in bauxite matter ? |
| 00:47 |
mircea_popescu |
that was a great voiceover |
| 00:48 |
asciilifeform |
there isn't much else useful in ol'clitler |
| 00:48 |
asciilifeform |
than these photos. |
| 00:48 |
mircea_popescu |
keeping it clean, http://40.media.tumblr.com/26c6ff72d59f5d496e80ab828277284e/tumblr_n76h71CWWP1s8h5eho1_1280.jpg |
| 00:48 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1IsvOUd ) |
| 00:49 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-03-2015#1040717 << see also. |
| 00:49 |
assbot |
Logged on 04-03-2015 05:03:39; asciilifeform: to borrow dan mocsny's device, 'like the ruins of a great city, you can tell the woman was once beautiful - but you wouldn't want to move into parthenon' |
| 00:50 |
mircea_popescu |
anyone recalls the crazed dwarf from baldur's gate ? |
| 00:50 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: that one practically ~screams~ 'my brain is permanently 12 y.o.' |
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| 00:50 |
mircea_popescu |
you're not well advised to judge women by their looks. |
| 00:50 |
asciilifeform |
or city by ruins |
| 00:50 |
asciilifeform |
but if that's all the archaeologist has - judge, judge. |
| 00:51 |
mircea_popescu |
it's worse than that. your idea of looks is mostly build on interpreting clues, and appearing harmless is a survival technique. |
| 00:51 |
mircea_popescu |
the word for this is moe. |
| 00:51 |
asciilifeform |
and yes, 'don't judge the corkscrew, it could really be a clavichord' |
| 00:51 |
asciilifeform |
but i see corkscrew, dammit |
| 00:52 |
asciilifeform |
moe ? |
| 00:52 |
mircea_popescu |
moe. |
| 00:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00061054 = 6.1054 BTC [-] |
| 00:54 |
asciilifeform |
;;ud moe |
| 00:54 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=moe | The new meaning of 'moe' is entirely caught up in issues surrounding hobbies and taste. Specifically, 'moe' means be attracted to a specific character or its ... |
| 00:54 |
* |
asciilifeform did guess that jp |
| 00:55 |
asciilifeform |
'The picture becomes clearer when we hear the frequent use of 'moe' referring to specific elements or characteristics, such as 'weak girl moe,' 'young lady moe,' and 'glasses moe.' The meaning of 'glasses moe' refers to a taste that is taken with a character who wears glasses; furthermore, this taste fetishizes the feature itself of glasses-wearing. In this case, glasses are the 'moe' element.' |
| 00:55 |
asciilifeform |
how does this differ from ANSI standard 'fetish' ? |
| 00:55 |
asciilifeform |
is my 'meta' stack not deep enough to grok this, or what |
| 00:56 |
ben_vulpes |
phf has a moe |
| 00:56 |
asciilifeform |
!up phf_mobile |
| 00:56 |
phf_mobile |
thanks |
| 00:56 |
ben_vulpes |
evening. ca va? |
| 00:56 |
asciilifeform |
'Moe is when your heart gets a boner.' << l0lz |
| 00:57 |
ben_vulpes |
'oneitis' |
| 00:57 |
ben_vulpes |
aka 'have not yet slept with enough girls to have sampled the distribution' |
| 00:58 |
phf_mobile |
got a eulora mac built to a point of "brew install eulora"/"brew linkapps --local eulora" |
| 00:58 |
ben_vulpes |
no shit |
| 00:59 |
phf_mobile |
this is like a personal dragon slaying quest |
| 00:59 |
ben_vulpes |
eulora quest |
| 00:59 |
ben_vulpes |
on mac |
| 00:59 |
ben_vulpes |
subquest of bitcoin quest |
| 01:00 |
asciilifeform |
kvest |
| 01:00 |
asciilifeform |
!up benkay |
| 01:00 |
asciilifeform |
splitz personality ftw |
| 01:00 |
asciilifeform |
speak to us, benkay ! |
| 01:01 |
mircea_popescu |
wordpress file uploader removes all dots except the last one |
| 01:01 |
mircea_popescu |
so .tar.gz -> tar.gz |
| 01:01 |
mircea_popescu |
motherfuckers. |
| 01:01 |
mircea_popescu |
who the fuck comes up with this shit |
| 01:01 |
asciilifeform |
~somebody USED the uploader ?!!~ |
| 01:02 |
mircea_popescu |
yea |
| 01:02 |
* |
asciilifeform fl00red |
| 01:02 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22850 @ 0.0006136 = 14.0208 BTC [+] |
| 01:03 |
* |
benkay shan't |
| 01:03 |
benkay |
and does it silently drop xml files too, mircea_popescu ? |
| 01:03 |
mircea_popescu |
no, you gotta download that service separately. |
| 01:04 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform in principle stabbing and raping are the same activity. something modulates the behaviour so that you mostly stab does and mostly rape moes. |
| 01:04 |
mircea_popescu |
that something is called moe. |
| 01:04 |
mircea_popescu |
!up n6 |
| 01:09 |
n6 |
I'm back again still trying to do http://trilema.com/2015/open-callgraph-for-therealbitcoin-in-svg-format/#comment-114958 I got gentoo working last night with the help of trinque and everyone else in here taking HOURS to help me. But today I stepped on the ethernet cable, and broke the modem in such a way cables won't work. I have a Edimax EW-7811Un but no clue how to go about getting this working with just a base install. and no internet. |
| 01:09 |
assbot |
[OPEN] Callgraph for therealbitcoin, in SVG format. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXrqQ2 ) |
| 01:10 |
mircea_popescu |
ahahaha i like this guy |
| 01:11 |
ben_vulpes |
omg the trials of n6 |
| 01:11 |
n6 |
Hard not to come back to finish after all the support given to me so far seems rude? |
| 01:11 |
ben_vulpes |
dood you know the reward already went out for that thing right? |
| 01:11 |
asciilifeform |
http://ithic.com/52-94-large/edimax-ew-7811un-150mbps-wireless-ieee80211b-g-n-nano-usb-adapter.jpg << neato |
| 01:11 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1MXrEGR ) |
| 01:11 |
n6 |
It was never about the reward |
| 01:11 |
ben_vulpes |
that's the attitude |
| 01:13 |
n6 |
Also I formated my usb drive with livecd, to watch Female Trouble (1974), so please no more reinstalls. |
| 01:14 |
phf_mobile |
can't help it, the girl can't help it |
| 01:16 |
asciilifeform |
!up Bingo_VACAY |
| 01:17 |
Bingo_VACAY |
Trap |
| 01:18 |
n6 |
both lspci and lsusb arent working i'm at loss for where to even look. (base install) |
| 01:18 |
n6 |
I guess only need lsusb but it's not here. |
| 01:21 |
mircea_popescu |
n6 how did you pick that one ?! |
| 01:22 |
n6 |
Amazon gave it to go with a beagleboard then it didnt work at all. |
| 01:22 |
mircea_popescu |
the movie i mean |
| 01:22 |
n6 |
oh your great blog post still working on getting my key sitatution fixed to rate you for such good work. |
| 01:22 |
asciilifeform |
n6: didja power that thing via microusb? needs >500mA if you actually use gadgets like this with that thing |
| 01:22 |
mircea_popescu |
phf_mobile i thought os/x just worked |
| 01:23 |
asciilifeform |
n6: plug the 5v cylindrical jack in |
| 01:23 |
ben_vulpes |
mircea_popescu: omg u troll! |
| 01:23 |
mircea_popescu |
waters fucking owes me! |
| 01:24 |
n6 |
asciilifeform: I'm not worried about the bone right now, only this graph. would be a shame if my 19 hours of gentoo installing came to nothing. |
| 01:24 |
Bingo_VACAY |
Future du hast |
| 01:24 |
* |
asciilifeform shudders at the thought of 19 ~actual keyboard hours~ somehow applied to gentoo |
| 01:25 |
n6 |
Not all keyboard hours a lot of time was spent trying to recompile on the free aws tier about 9 |
| 01:26 |
n6 |
before finding out about the real bitcoin guide. |
| 01:26 |
asciilifeform |
wai wat... |
| 01:26 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform every damned time. |
| 01:26 |
asciilifeform |
aws!!! |
| 01:26 |
ben_vulpes |
wait you tried to build a gentoo on aws? |
| 01:26 |
n6 |
ben_vulpes got me |
| 01:26 |
ben_vulpes |
the whole point is to not fuck with gentoo and just use something prebuilt |
| 01:26 |
asciilifeform |
that's like cooking a fine meal of rare sturgeon in a public toilet as cauldron |
| 01:26 |
ben_vulpes |
you have too much respect for your tools |
| 01:26 |
asciilifeform |
!up phf_mobile |
| 01:26 |
ben_vulpes |
i have |
| 01:26 |
ben_vulpes |
el minimo |
| 01:27 |
mircea_popescu |
hahaha |
| 01:27 |
ben_vulpes |
look guy wants to build bitcoin, go do it over there in the gentoo virtualization sandbox that Ju5t Werkz! |
| 01:27 |
n6 |
Tried to rebuild the kernal (I think) not really sure no understanding |
| 01:27 |
ben_vulpes |
gentoo quest |
| 01:27 |
ben_vulpes |
understanding is an quixotic illusion |
| 01:28 |
asciilifeform |
could try rotor |
| 01:28 |
n6 |
asciilifeform command not found. this is just a base install |
| 01:28 |
asciilifeform |
wai wat |
| 01:28 |
asciilifeform |
what command |
| 01:28 |
ben_vulpes |
$ rotor |
| 01:28 |
n6 |
did I miss something? |
| 01:28 |
* |
asciilifeform head-desks |
| 01:29 |
ben_vulpes |
WILKOMMEN |
| 01:29 |
asciilifeform |
n6: >> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000133.html << him |
| 01:29 |
assbot |
[BTC-dev] Rotor! ... ( http://bit.ly/1InQxW4 ) |
| 01:29 |
ben_vulpes |
dja know that i wrote assembly manuals for line operators, asciilifeform? |
| 01:29 |
asciilifeform |
can picture this. |
| 01:29 |
ben_vulpes |
designed things so as to prevent inquisitive operators from mutilating themselves? |
| 01:30 |
ben_vulpes |
i believe that i've mentioned this before |
| 01:30 |
ben_vulpes |
instructions, man. |
| 01:30 |
ben_vulpes |
almost not worthwhile. |
| 01:30 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes failed! just look at us. we're mutilated, myootilaited! |
| 01:30 |
asciilifeform |
!up benkay |
| 01:31 |
n6 |
asciilifeform: what does DETERMINISTIC mean here? |
| 01:31 |
asciilifeform |
y'know it's true, benkay |
| 01:31 |
asciilifeform |
n6: means you get same result regardless of phase of the moon |
| 01:31 |
asciilifeform |
or whether pissed in the barrel of your gentoo when it was annealing |
| 01:31 |
asciilifeform |
or not |
| 01:31 |
asciilifeform |
etc. |
| 01:31 |
n6 |
I still don't understand, sorry. |
| 01:32 |
mircea_popescu |
n6 you understand what a static build is ? |
| 01:32 |
n6 |
no |
| 01:32 |
mircea_popescu |
your question can not be answered at this time o.O |
| 01:32 |
n6 |
let me do some reading and come back. |
| 01:32 |
asciilifeform |
^ the right idea. |
| 01:33 |
phf_mobile |
this is like, from first principles |
| 01:34 |
* |
mircea_popescu has formally determined that the "what does deterministic mean here" inquiry can not be answered if "do you understand what static build is" comes out false. |
| 01:34 |
mircea_popescu |
i'm curious if anyone can come up with a (valid) answer. |
| 01:34 |
ben_vulpes |
in entirely unrelated news, the lil boy now kicks back when i poke at him |
| 01:34 |
* |
asciilifeform tried |
| 01:34 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes don't poke TOO much |
| 01:35 |
mircea_popescu |
!up n6 |
| 01:35 |
asciilifeform |
!up n6 |
| 01:35 |
mircea_popescu |
slowpoke |
| 01:35 |
* |
ben_vulpes wonders what poking too much would look like |
| 01:35 |
ben_vulpes |
like |
| 01:35 |
ben_vulpes |
no sex? |
| 01:35 |
n6 |
thanks guys got a wikipedia understand(not much) but it means compiled like apt-get packages? |
| 01:35 |
ben_vulpes |
n6: look up "dynamic linking" |
| 01:35 |
mircea_popescu |
we need a replacement wikipedia |
| 01:35 |
ben_vulpes |
also - what's your background? |
| 01:36 |
n6 |
ben_vulpes: just a long time casual pc user, ubtuntu copy past guides no real understanding of anything that seems to matter when deal with real problems. |
| 01:37 |
n6 |
*dealing |
| 01:37 |
ben_vulpes |
aha |
| 01:37 |
ben_vulpes |
well, 'grats on getting off windows |
| 01:37 |
ben_vulpes |
welcome to a whole new life of misery |
| 01:37 |
n6 |
I started this graph thing on os x and it couldn't do the job. then ben_vulpes told me to try AWS, but you can't just give someone a spaceship they have to earn it. |
| 01:38 |
ben_vulpes |
dude you're not flying spaceships right now |
| 01:38 |
asciilifeform |
more of an 'ohka' |
| 01:38 |
ben_vulpes |
do you want to do gentoo quest or do you want to play around with the callgraph generator? |
| 01:38 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: 'ohka'? |
| 01:38 |
ben_vulpes |
ahaha |
| 01:39 |
asciilifeform |
http://orig00.deviantart.net/63f3/f/2013/212/6/c/mxy7_ohka_kamikaze_rocket_paper_model_by_rocketmantan-d6g1w2i.png << her |
| 01:39 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1UuMj7x ) |
| 01:39 |
ben_vulpes |
aka 'baka' |
| 01:39 |
asciilifeform |
it. |
| 01:39 |
ben_vulpes |
a very funny name for gaijin to cook up. |
| 01:40 |
asciilifeform |
http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/613964-Ohka-as-Flyable-Forums << sim folks lovingly archaeologizing |
| 01:40 |
assbot |
Ohka as Flyable | Forums ... ( http://bit.ly/1UuMqzU ) |
| 01:42 |
mircea_popescu |
wait we now agree gentoo = kamikaze plane ? |
| 01:42 |
asciilifeform |
http://planemania.blogspot.com/2012/02/yokosuka-mxy7-ohka.html << linked for the sheer bowel-massaging power of the mistranslationz |
| 01:42 |
assbot |
Yokosuka MXY7 Ohka ... ( http://bit.ly/1UuMwHU ) |
| 01:42 |
mircea_popescu |
celebroat ! http://40.media.tumblr.com/20833081f7499d89abc7eb71e37d74e4/tumblr_nbcoe4yEu61tttg72o1_1280.jpg |
| 01:42 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1UuMwHZ ) |
| 01:43 |
cazalla |
ben_vulpes, did you end up going ahead with co-sleeping? |
| 01:45 |
ben_vulpes |
kiddo's still in-utero, cazalla |
| 01:45 |
asciilifeform |
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Ohka-Popular-Mechanics-graphic.jpg << from american 'popular mech.' and hey, whats the pr0blem, fastest machine of its time ! |
| 01:45 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1UuMNug ) |
| 01:46 |
asciilifeform |
and simplest |
| 01:46 |
ben_vulpes |
probably will for funsies, but it turns out the plan is to have a basinette next to the bed |
| 01:46 |
ben_vulpes |
girl on the left looks startlingly familiar |
| 01:46 |
cazalla |
was it someone else that mentioned it? getting confused with all these soon to be or recently arrived babies |
| 01:47 |
ben_vulpes |
and what the hell are they drinking |
| 01:47 |
n6 |
ben_vulpes: sorry reading I want it all |
| 01:47 |
ben_vulpes |
cazalla: i did mention cosleeping yeah |
| 01:47 |
ben_vulpes |
but those to whom that work has been delegated have other probably more sane ideas |
| 01:48 |
ben_vulpes |
as mp said one time "mothers care too much and fathers don't know wtf's in the box" |
| 01:48 |
mircea_popescu |
incidentally, the ohka was perhaps the least successful war machine of all time. |
| 01:48 |
mircea_popescu |
what was it, 20 carrier planes sent, 1 returned, virtually no hits ? |
| 01:49 |
ben_vulpes |
n6: good way to make minimal progress on everything |
| 01:49 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: most ended in the sea |
| 01:49 |
asciilifeform |
(carried on defenseless bomber) |
| 01:49 |
asciilifeform |
sources disagree on how many actually hit anything |
| 01:49 |
mircea_popescu |
wasn't one that punched through and fell past the ship ? |
| 01:49 |
mircea_popescu |
and most of them really needed the pilot to be alive throughout, etc |
| 01:49 |
asciilifeform |
there are mentions of going right through and exploding on other side, aha |
| 01:50 |
asciilifeform |
which to me sounds like a workmanship problem with detonator |
| 01:50 |
cazalla |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1230278 and reddit delivers within the hour https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3g7na6/serious_brainwalletorg_shutdown_and_now_i_am/ |
| 01:50 |
assbot |
Logged on 08-08-2015 04:40:12; ben_vulpes: "What if someone was using that site and now needs to be able to use the phrase that memorized to get back the keys??? |
| 01:50 |
assbot |
Serious: brainwallet.org shutdown and now I am wondering how to get keys back from the phrase? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1UuNbck ) |
| 01:51 |
ben_vulpes |
*** Luke-Jr (~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr) has quit: Excess Flood << hyu |
| 01:53 |
ben_vulpes |
anyways, good evening pete_dushenski |
| 01:54 |
ben_vulpes |
when's yours due? |
| 01:54 |
pete_dushenski |
howdy ben_vulpes |
| 01:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00060762 = 3.1596 BTC [-] |
| 01:54 |
pete_dushenski |
2 weeks ? |
| 01:54 |
ben_vulpes |
o wow |
| 01:54 |
pete_dushenski |
what is this #bitcoin-babies or something ? |
| 01:54 |
ben_vulpes |
doing anything wacky for the deploy? |
| 01:54 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 01:54 |
ben_vulpes |
limit of everything as time goes on is babies |
| 01:55 |
mircea_popescu |
it;d better be very wacky for cult's sake. |
| 01:55 |
pete_dushenski |
o it is. |
| 01:55 |
ben_vulpes |
hottub in the snow? |
| 01:55 |
pete_dushenski |
at least as far as canuckian standards go |
| 01:55 |
pete_dushenski |
lol |
| 01:55 |
mircea_popescu |
having it in a tub full of jello shot ? |
| 01:55 |
ben_vulpes |
on a boat? |
| 01:55 |
ben_vulpes |
with a goat? |
| 01:55 |
ben_vulpes |
the midwife is a groat? |
| 01:56 |
pete_dushenski |
more like pools, midwives, doulas. |
| 01:56 |
mircea_popescu |
btw, i understand this midwife business if you live with your wife and the other girl sleeps in between you two, |
| 01:56 |
mircea_popescu |
but what if you have more than two womenz ?! |
| 01:56 |
asciilifeform |
then multiple stators |
| 01:56 |
asciilifeform |
elementarily. |
| 01:56 |
mircea_popescu |
are all of them midwives ? |
| 01:57 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-04-2015#1085778 |
| 01:57 |
assbot |
Logged on 03-04-2015 03:22:33; asciilifeform: (if fella who turns, is 'rotor') |
| 01:57 |
asciilifeform |
^ see also |
| 01:57 |
mircea_popescu |
seems more like quarterwive and threequarterwive or w/e the case may be |
| 01:57 |
asciilifeform |
depends on how many phase. |
| 01:57 |
ben_vulpes |
> mid wife |
| 01:57 |
ben_vulpes |
>.< |
| 01:58 |
cazalla |
my missus had an elective c-section, made the day somewhat of a non-event when compared to hollywood/tv births |
| 01:58 |
mircea_popescu |
not really great for fertility is it ? |
| 01:58 |
ben_vulpes |
what drove that decision? |
| 01:59 |
cazalla |
just asked.. "cause i'm not sitting around in pain for 10 hours" |
| 02:00 |
ben_vulpes |
o.O |
| 02:00 |
ben_vulpes |
if y'r in pain for 10 hours y'r doing it wrong |
| 02:00 |
mircea_popescu |
depends on the ass. |
| 02:01 |
cazalla |
mircea_popescu, doesn't affect my fertility last i checked :P |
| 02:01 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 02:01 |
asciilifeform |
!up benkay |
| 02:01 |
n6 |
Have lost the plot, how does all this help me with my wifi working? |
| 02:01 |
cazalla |
although hers? who knows, tried the past 2 months and it didn't take yet |
| 02:01 |
asciilifeform |
!up phf_mobile |
| 02:01 |
phf_mobile |
obligatory http://oglaf.com/son-of-kronar/ |
| 02:01 |
assbot |
Son of Kronar page 1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1hpj6N5 ) |
| 02:02 |
mircea_popescu |
ahaha another oglaf fan ? |
| 02:02 |
pete_dushenski |
;;seen decimation |
| 02:02 |
gribble |
decimation was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 43 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <decimation> I enjoyed my time here, learned much, had many lolz. I do not wish to cause drama or be an impediment to improving bitcoin. Even though I presently have L2 rating from a few people, I am not going impose on their good grace by remaining. God bless all of you. |
| 02:02 |
pete_dushenski |
well that's that, i guess. |
| 02:02 |
asciilifeform |
pete_dushenski: lulzy, no? almost like poor fella confessed |
| 02:02 |
asciilifeform |
ergo was he a 'baron stierlitz', on our side! |
| 02:03 |
ben_vulpes |
much less protracted than the viragh episode |
| 02:03 |
ben_vulpes |
hi bobby! still reading logs? |
| 02:03 |
pete_dushenski |
does sound like a bit of a 'ya got me, pardner' moment |
| 02:04 |
phf_mobile |
i remember oglaf from when before they had rss feed. so i wrote one and hosted it on my machine. i still get ~~100 requests for now long missing file a day |
| 02:04 |
pete_dushenski |
cazalla: http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/06/la-serenissima-fender-flags-a-modest-proposal/#comment-25441 |
| 02:04 |
assbot |
La Serenissima fender flags: a modest proposal | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1hpjpaN ) |
| 02:04 |
mircea_popescu |
phf_mobile it's so popular here people do oglafbot by hand. |
| 02:04 |
mircea_popescu |
;;seen oglafbot |
| 02:04 |
gribble |
oglafbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 10 hours, 25 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <oglafbot> http://oglaf.com/medallions/ |
| 02:04 |
asciilifeform |
now if only 'sexy losers' were still running |
| 02:05 |
asciilifeform |
the ~other~ mega-comic |
| 02:05 |
cazalla |
pete_dushenski, do you mean for me to illustrate that S or actually draw that S into the logo? |
| 02:05 |
phf_mobile |
but i'm .. more .. then .. a .. man |
| 02:05 |
pete_dushenski |
cazalla: start with the easier one and work your way up |
| 02:06 |
phf_mobile |
different internet era |
| 02:08 |
cazalla |
pete_dushenski, well to be fair i already seen that image elsewhere |
| 02:09 |
pete_dushenski |
um, that's the point ? |
| 02:09 |
cazalla |
specifically https://i.warosu.org/data/g/img/0447/33/1413616113174.jpg so when i saw yours, first thought was that it was some jewish stockholm syndrome |
| 02:09 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1hpjY49 ) |
| 02:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00059499 = 11.3643 BTC [-] {4} |
| 02:09 |
pete_dushenski |
what, you think i made that shit up ex nihilo ? |
| 02:10 |
pete_dushenski |
lol dude, that's the joke ! |
| 02:10 |
pete_dushenski |
mebbe funny, probably not, but like i said, was just looking for an art project |
| 02:10 |
cazalla |
well you said maybe it was trolling so clearly it went over my head |
| 02:11 |
phf_mobile |
ben_vulpes: hey, if you have some time to try and build eulora, the following incantation should do it: brew tap homebrew/versions; brew tap pf/homebrew-eulora; brew install eulora; brew linkapps eulora |
| 02:11 |
cazalla |
but c'mon, adding a dash of red and deleting a line does not make it a design proposal |
| 02:11 |
pete_dushenski |
it's not like i'm taking this shit to get printed so i can cruise around downtown berlin at 200 kph with my ass out the window |
| 02:11 |
pete_dushenski |
fender flags bending in the breeze |
| 02:11 |
mircea_popescu |
phf_mobile he's in already. |
| 02:12 |
phf_mobile |
oh bah |
| 02:12 |
ben_vulpes |
not on os x! |
| 02:12 |
pete_dushenski |
cazalla: because ? |
| 02:12 |
cazalla |
pete_dushenski, well you already have the merc and that's 99% of the way there to adding the flags |
| 02:12 |
ben_vulpes |
running, phf_mobile |
| 02:13 |
mircea_popescu |
speakin' of the 70s, http://40.media.tumblr.com/d204563f478431af09aeb9ed6587cd94/tumblr_n9eqluUk6D1tttg72o1_1280.jpg |
| 02:13 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1hpksY9 ) |
| 02:14 |
ben_vulpes |
<mircea_popescu> because ip is going away, there's no << hear har |
| 02:14 |
pete_dushenski |
cazalla: looky, the car and the flags are but a symbol, and until the underlying material fact of diplomatic immunity is a reality, a day i intend to see but am not deluded enough to believe is here yet, then it's for personal enjoyment. |
| 02:15 |
ben_vulpes |
i like the fingerprint tho, pete_dushenski |
| 02:15 |
ben_vulpes |
kinda want mine painted on my rear fender |
| 02:15 |
ben_vulpes |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1230220 << tres tres tres nifty |
| 02:15 |
assbot |
Logged on 08-08-2015 04:13:57; asciilifeform: (i don't grasp the need for notions like 'check in' or 'check out', etc. one instead throws patches and sigs in a pot, and then proceeds to ask for graph, and then select a leaf on said graph - and get a src tree out.) |
| 02:16 |
pete_dushenski |
ben_vulpes: how's life with the vette btw ? |
| 02:16 |
ben_vulpes |
rather nice |
| 02:16 |
cazalla |
pete_dushenski, A+ for effort but that doesn't make it good, if i wanted a 2 minute knock up andy warhol photoshop job i could do it myself |
| 02:16 |
ben_vulpes |
everyone gets the fuck out of my way. |
| 02:16 |
ben_vulpes |
haven't rolled like that since the suburban i drove as a younger boy |
| 02:17 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes and pete_dushenski remind me, an associate of mine was offering up a car for btc |
| 02:17 |
asciilifeform |
also made me think of kakobrekla. |
| 02:17 |
ben_vulpes |
yes i would very much like to trade a rapidly depreciating asset for one that doesn't |
| 02:17 |
ben_vulpes |
o.O |
| 02:17 |
ben_vulpes |
although i have hopes the corvette will preserve some of its value. |
| 02:18 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes gonna put it in his pocket and take across the sea ? |
| 02:18 |
pete_dushenski |
cazalla: dude. it's not for you. fin. |
| 02:18 |
pete_dushenski |
asciilifeform: what kinda car was he selling ? |
| 02:18 |
asciilifeform |
iirc it was a 'mazda rx8' |
| 02:18 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: now why'd i do that |
| 02:19 |
pete_dushenski |
ben_vulpes: i'd fully expect to the vette to hold its value |
| 02:19 |
pete_dushenski |
asciilifeform: aha. 'wankel' 1.3L rotary engine |
| 02:19 |
asciilifeform |
it. |
| 02:19 |
pete_dushenski |
the 'rotor' of cars ! |
| 02:19 |
ben_vulpes |
wankel like electric is a perpetually recurring fad in cars |
| 02:20 |
pete_dushenski |
wankel drinks, as in -guzzles-, oil |
| 02:20 |
asciilifeform |
& petrol |
| 02:20 |
gribble |
Error: "petrol" is not a valid command. |
| 02:20 |
ben_vulpes |
pete_dushenski: seen the duke engine? |
| 02:20 |
ben_vulpes |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c19kn3drdFU |
| 02:20 |
assbot |
Duke Engines - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1eZlcS2 ) |
| 02:20 |
pete_dushenski |
gribble doesn't like cars |
| 02:20 |
cazalla |
pete_dushenski, then who is it for, just you personally? might want to correct your article then "a modest design proposal for La Serenissima" and youd better believe that #b-a Lords will have fender flags on their motor coaches" |
| 02:21 |
asciilifeform |
on their 'ohkas' |
| 02:21 |
pete_dushenski |
ben_vulpes: weird. new to me. |
| 02:21 |
asciilifeform |
chrysanthemum ftw |
| 02:22 |
pete_dushenski |
cazalla: there's layers here. if you insist on skimming from the top, you'll just get yourself annoyed. |
| 02:24 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: "chrysaanthemum"? |
| 02:25 |
asciilifeform |
jp imperial heraldic |
| 02:25 |
ben_vulpes |
ah nm |
| 02:26 |
cazalla |
pete_dushenski, what on earth would annoy me about something you drew (lifted) and pitched as your own design proposal? if the bar at which criticism bothers you is set so low, might be time to reevaluate things |
| 02:26 |
asciilifeform |
though apparently https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/44/150593208_548186fd71.jpg << cherry blossom |
| 02:26 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1eZlQ1U ) |
| 02:30 |
mats |
is a shame decimation is taking off |
| 02:30 |
mats |
consumed cycles, sure, but contributed with interesting conversation |
| 02:30 |
pete_dushenski |
ya, he brought decent news articles this way. also fellow econtalk listener |
| 02:31 |
mats |
could be worse. could be Anduck or vexual |
| 02:31 |
pete_dushenski |
;;seen Anduck |
| 02:31 |
gribble |
Anduck was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 1 day, 16 hours, 38 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <Anduck> hmm, seems to work. thanks! |
| 02:32 |
pete_dushenski |
name rings a bell, not sure i've ever chatted with ducky. |
| 02:33 |
mats |
but to be fair decimation is the only fella regularly engaging in conversation here I can think of that doesn't contribute to LA serenissima |
| 02:33 |
mats |
la* stupid mobile |
| 02:34 |
mircea_popescu |
"A friend's company took over an officespace previously rented by Crypsa, a Cryptocurrency Standards organization. They tried to sell us them their furnishings ... tables, chairs, etc. ... but my friend got a little suspicious, because they used to live on the same floor and heard that some people got free furnishings. So they approached the Landlord and asked where Crypsa got their furniture. It turns out that yes, th |
| 02:34 |
mircea_popescu |
ey did get it from the Landlord and of course, for free. So, the Landlord, now supremely pissed, went and confronted the guy running Crypsa. According to him, the guy just 'blubbered and stammered - he had no excuse.'. It's funny when people get caught in the act, but in this case, it was just sad." |
| 02:35 |
mircea_popescu |
how the heck are there all these bullshits nobody ever heard of. |
| 02:35 |
asciilifeform |
'standards organization' !!?!?! |
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| 02:35 |
* |
asciilifeform falls down |
| 02:36 |
pete_dushenski |
cazalla: i dunno what to tell you dude. if you don't like it, you can always take a yellow taxi with jurov. no one's holding a gun to your head around here. if more than one 'lord' likes the 'proposal', then 'lordS will have fender flags on their motor coaches' |
| 02:36 |
pete_dushenski |
and if not, then my proposal sucks, and it's just lil' ol' me ! |
| 02:38 |
pete_dushenski |
mats: y'know i hadn't noticed it, but looking at his ratings, it was immediately obvious (if ex-post) |
| 02:38 |
cazalla |
pete_dushenski, if it was a design proposal, you would be a little less stand offish when facing criticism, that said, it's the final product which explains why you've got yourself in a little tizzy |
| 02:39 |
pete_dushenski |
cazalla: so let's see this magic 's' of yours, ya ? |
| 02:39 |
mircea_popescu |
i give this cazalla trolling pete_dushenski thing a 4/10 |
| 02:39 |
pete_dushenski |
cazalla: might be an ozzie thing, y'know ? or mebbe commonwealth, i'm curious |
| 02:40 |
mats |
lol |
| 02:40 |
cazalla |
pete_dushenski, that S thing is http://i.imgur.com/U9IsW.jpg and i'm pitching design proposals in the first place |
| 02:40 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1hpmW90 ) |
| 02:40 |
pete_dushenski |
mebbe cazalla imagines that a mercedes 560 sel with 3/4 swastika fender flags will be on his driveway unless he says something now |
| 02:41 |
mats |
cazalla: I used to doodle that design in grade school |
| 02:41 |
cazalla |
mats, hence that S thing that every kid except pete_dushenski drew |
| 02:41 |
pete_dushenski |
cazalla: lol oooh ya, i totally remember those. but i never in a million years woulda imagined that's what you meant by 'that s that every kid drew' |
| 02:41 |
asciilifeform |
do we each get a dead empire to necromancy ? |
| 02:41 |
asciilifeform |
'cause i want one too |
| 02:42 |
pete_dushenski |
asciilifeform: who're you taking then ? |
| 02:42 |
pete_dushenski |
cazalla: and that's a good point, i sure as fuck never drew these. |
| 02:42 |
pete_dushenski |
saw other kids ? sure. |
| 02:42 |
asciilifeform |
pete_dushenski: su, or us, or whoever. |
| 02:42 |
mats |
I claim the qing. |
| 02:42 |
asciilifeform |
mm |
| 02:42 |
mircea_popescu |
!up n6 |
| 02:43 |
pete_dushenski |
mats if you're going asian, why not khanate ? |
| 02:43 |
mats |
I got a drop or two of Manchu. |
| 02:43 |
n6 |
Statically built programs link to libraries the system controls and DETERMINISTIC has everything you need included? |
| 02:43 |
mats |
not pure Han. |
| 02:43 |
pete_dushenski |
so diverse ! |
| 02:44 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.classtools.net/_FAKEBOOK/saved/1634/HjheNn/coverImage.jpg |
| 02:44 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1hpnjQR ) |
| 02:44 |
mircea_popescu |
n6 something like that. |
| 02:44 |
mats |
http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/249409-a-great-rabbi-stands-teaching-in-the-marketplace-it-happens |
| 02:44 |
assbot |
Quote by Orson Scott Card: “A Great Rabbi stands, teaching in the marketpla...” ... ( http://bit.ly/1hpnknL ) |
| 02:45 |
ben_vulpes |
statically built programs do not link at runtime, n6 |
| 02:45 |
ben_vulpes |
they have all the machine code they need in their executeable files |
| 02:46 |
cazalla |
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/07/toxic-mine-water-epa-colorado-animas-river drink from the rivers of gold |
| 02:46 |
assbot |
Toxic mine water accidentally released by EPA in Colorado river flows south | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1eZnv7y ) |
| 02:46 |
mircea_popescu |
mats heh wtf is that thing |
| 02:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26838 @ 0.00059499 = 15.9683 BTC [-] {2} |
| 02:47 |
mircea_popescu |
http://i.imgur.com/e2Fm0g4.jpg < heh |
| 02:47 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1eZnzUL ) |
| 02:48 |
asciilifeform |
l0l! |
| 02:48 |
mats |
an excerpt from a vaguely metaphysical and spiritual scifi series in the "ender's game" universe I read as a kid |
| 02:49 |
mircea_popescu |
mats do you detect the atrocious vulgarity of it or notrly ? |
| 02:50 |
mats |
well we have fundamentally different value systems |
| 02:50 |
asciilifeform |
reminds me of how, allegedly, a 'go' board and its stones made their way to leonhard euler. and he concluded that the game was played by tossing'em into the cavity at the bottom between the legs |
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| 02:50 |
mats |
so, while I enjoy the prose, I don't otherwise know what you mean by vulgarity |
| 02:50 |
mircea_popescu |
mats what's your definition of vulgarity ? |
| 02:51 |
mats |
a lack of refinement |
| 02:51 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.gobooks.info/pics/p15.jpg << it |
| 02:51 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1hpo24B ) |
| 02:52 |
mircea_popescu |
well that doesn't exactly help because i assume refinement is then a lack of vulgarity ? |
| 02:52 |
mats |
plebeian |
| 02:52 |
mircea_popescu |
right, made to appeal to the common man. |
| 02:53 |
mircea_popescu |
"all operating systems are monolithic because that's just how computers work" is a fine example of utter vulgarity. |
| 02:53 |
mircea_popescu |
it stays true for as long as the reader stays stupid. |
| 02:53 |
mats |
well, how do you find this to be vulgar beyond the appeal to plebs |
| 02:54 |
mircea_popescu |
like the os quote, it contains no truth, merely the figments of truth in the shape of nonsense that stays truthy on a first approximation basis |
| 02:56 |
mircea_popescu |
and on that note, http://40.media.tumblr.com/6a7619a26db80c736b2106ac3758446d/tumblr_n9eqhmGpP91tttg72o1_1280.jpg |
| 02:56 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1eZoaWK ) |
| 02:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42100 @ 0.00059499 = 25.0491 BTC [-] {4} |
| 02:57 |
cazalla |
warning, white pointers |
| 02:58 |
* |
mircea_popescu takes off. Laters! |
| 03:02 |
n6 |
mircea_popescu: are you hinting at the need to build lsub (here) and move it over to (there) In a DETERMINISTIC way? lsub seems to be what I need. |
| 03:02 |
ben_vulpes |
deterministic doesn't have much to do with what you're working on n6 |
| 03:03 |
n6 |
then why did I need to know about static linking? |
| 03:05 |
n6 |
ben_vulpes: How can I build lsub on my macbook and take it to my gentoo install? |
| 03:09 |
n6 |
Looks like I killed the channel sorry. |
| 03:14 |
ben_vulpes |
n6: that is beyond me, boss |
| 03:14 |
ben_vulpes |
nah, 'twasn't you |
| 03:14 |
ben_vulpes |
static linking is a thing to know about to hack on bitcoin related things |
| 03:14 |
ben_vulpes |
!up n6 |
| 03:19 |
n6 |
I will come back and try again when more people are around. sorry to waste everyones time tonight. |
| 03:23 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00059814 = 13.9965 BTC [+] |
| 03:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00059814 = 17.9442 BTC [+] |
| 03:44 |
punkman |
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: lulzy, no? almost like poor fella confessed << I was slightly baffled because I thought decimation was in someone's meat-wot, then realized I was thinking of diametric. anyway, quite suspect parting message. |
| 03:46 |
punkman |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1230653 << for more lulz http://info.datauthority.org/wordpress/standards/ |
| 03:46 |
assbot |
Logged on 08-08-2015 06:35:49; asciilifeform: 'standards organization' !!?!?! |
| 03:46 |
assbot |
Standards - DATA ... ( http://bit.ly/1IxUfgA ) |
| 03:47 |
ben_vulpes |
;;later tell -hf_mobile i'm going to give this another whack tonight and then knock off for a spell. cs seems unhappy about...something. |
| 03:47 |
gribble |
Error: That is an invalid IRC nick. Please check your input. |
| 03:47 |
ben_vulpes |
;;later tell phf_mobile i'm going to give this another whack tonight and then knock off for a spell. cs seems unhappy about...something. |
| 03:47 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 03:49 |
cazalla |
from that brain wallet drama https://rya.nc/cracking_cryptocurrency_brainwallets.pdf someone had 250 btc using "how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood" |
| 03:49 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1IxUvMI ) |
| 03:49 |
scoopbot_revived |
Pete moves up, Ver moves on. http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/08/pete-moves-up-ver-moves-on/ |
| 03:49 |
punkman |
cazalla, hah! |
| 03:49 |
pete_dushenski |
punkman: the diametric/decimation and undata/trinque things readily cause confusion. |
| 03:50 |
pete_dushenski |
to say nothing of benkay/ben_vulpes and bitcoinpete/pete_dushenski ! |
| 03:51 |
ben_vulpes |
undata and trinque are the same guy too, pete |
| 03:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3142 @ 0.00059499 = 1.8695 BTC [-] {5} |
| 03:52 |
pete_dushenski |
ayayay, i'm just not getting through today ! |
| 03:52 |
pete_dushenski |
ben_vulpes: *sigh* i know. |
| 03:52 |
pete_dushenski |
mebbe i need to hit the sack and try again tmrw |
| 03:53 |
trinque |
I go by this other, more specific piece of data now |
| 03:53 |
pete_dushenski |
lol but i liked undata ! |
| 03:53 |
trinque |
'twas alright |
| 03:53 |
punkman |
http://i.imgur.com/cxw3zdC.jpg |
| 03:53 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1IxUV5Q ) |
| 03:53 |
pete_dushenski |
trinque: i thought it was better than 'alright' |
| 03:53 |
pete_dushenski |
seriously |
| 03:54 |
trinque |
why thank you |
| 03:54 |
pete_dushenski |
but anyways, i'm off to sleep, bon soir a tous ! |
| 03:54 |
trinque |
gnite |
| 03:58 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00059814 = 1.1365 BTC [+] |
| 04:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00060366 = 7.6665 BTC [+] |
| 04:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00060761 = 8.2331 BTC [+] {2} |
| 04:27 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40400 @ 0.00061075 = 24.6743 BTC [+] {4} |
| |
~ 22 minutes ~ |
| 04:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00059964 = 12.8323 BTC [-] |
| 04:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00059631 = 22.0038 BTC [-] {2} |
| 05:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00059631 = 19.0223 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 15 minutes ~ |
| 05:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21550 @ 0.00059631 = 12.8505 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 21 minutes ~ |
| 05:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33017 @ 0.00059603 = 19.6791 BTC [-] {4} |
| |
~ 38 minutes ~ |
| 06:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29600 @ 0.00059964 = 17.7493 BTC [+] |
| 06:26 |
cazalla |
anyone know what this is? http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/4nQAAOSwPcVVxa0h/$_20.JPG supposedly some type of printer but prints what exactly? |
| 06:26 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1TdUySO ) |
| 06:27 |
cazalla |
i thought maybe some kind of old embossing machine |
| 06:30 |
jurov |
wow that log |
| 06:31 |
scoopbot_revived |
Mining Difficulty Advances For The Third Consecutive Time http://qntra.net/2015/08/mining-difficulty-advances-for-the-third-consecutive-time/ |
| 06:31 |
jurov |
mircea_popescu strucks me like -- "who needs the yucky plankton" said the whale |
| 06:32 |
funkenstein_ |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1230243 <-- alf's 4th law of thermodynamics |
| 06:32 |
assbot |
Logged on 08-08-2015 04:24:05; asciilifeform: the abstraction is imperfect and necessarily leaks. |
| 06:36 |
HeySteve |
cazalla my guess is some kind of basic injection moulder |
| 06:36 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00060444 = 17.0452 BTC [+] {3} |
| |
~ 37 minutes ~ |
| 07:14 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5007 @ 0.00059499 = 2.9791 BTC [-] {5} |
| 07:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.00059499 = 19.9322 BTC [-] {2} |
| |
~ 44 minutes ~ |
| 08:10 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10916 @ 0.00059499 = 6.4949 BTC [-] |
| 08:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7448 @ 0.00059499 = 4.4315 BTC [-] |
| 08:30 |
shinohai |
;;ticker |
| 08:30 |
gribble |
Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 272.16, Best ask: 272.54, Bid-ask spread: 0.38000, Last trade: 272.16, 24 hour volume: 16808.69151018, 24 hour low: 271.5, 24 hour high: 281.0, 24 hour vwap: None |
| 08:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00060092 = 11.778 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 40 minutes ~ |
| 09:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00059944 = 14.0868 BTC [-] |
| 09:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22380 @ 0.00060002 = 13.4284 BTC [+] {3} |
| 09:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00060218 = 14.7534 BTC [+] {3} |
| 09:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00060469 = 8.4052 BTC [+] |
| 09:55 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00060469 = 7.9819 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 44 minutes ~ |
| 10:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00060259 = 8.376 BTC [-] |
| 10:40 |
mod6 |
So now that we have 'rotor', most likly we won't need to have the gentoo guide. We'll see how it goes but in the future we'll probably just point people at the gentoo handbook if they want to run Gentoo. |
| 10:40 |
mod6 |
*likely |
| 10:41 |
mod6 |
It took me 6 weeks to build that thing with tons of Trinque's help. n6: I understand your frustration totally. |
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| 10:43 |
mod6 |
I appreciate your giving it a run through. |
| 10:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00060012 = 10.082 BTC [-] {3} |
| 10:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6687 @ 0.00060781 = 4.0644 BTC [+] {3} |
| 10:58 |
kakobrekla |
> Ironically, now that MCP runs on commodity hardware some elements of the MCP based software suite are no longer made available in source form by Unisys. <heh |
| 11:03 |
shinohai |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1230794 <<< agreed, but I'm not giving up. Despite how much I love Debian, systemd is a drawback. :/ |
| 11:03 |
assbot |
Logged on 08-08-2015 14:41:35; mod6: It took me 6 weeks to build that thing with tons of Trinque's help. n6: I understand your frustration totally. |
| 11:05 |
mod6 |
Sure thing. Agree 100%, but since 'rotor' can run on any "sane" linux (to quote ascii), we don't have to marry ourselves to Gentoo and thereby also provide steps to build Gentoo. As 'rotor' should work basically anywhere. Needs to really. |
| 11:07 |
mod6 |
The whole 'we need to get to a sane environment -- let's use Gentoo' idea was pre-dated the rotor. Now I just gotta get rotor to work for me :] |
| 11:09 |
shinohai |
I haven't got it to run 100% for me outside of a basic x86_64 build. I am waiting to see a build log for arm systems, then I think I can run with the cross-compilation thing. |
| 11:10 |
shinohai |
As it stands, I am still using stator. |
| 11:10 |
kakobrekla |
J_EDGAR_HOOVER is the main security guardian of the system, called upon at process start, file open, user log on, etc. < lmao |
| 11:21 |
shinohai |
Also mod6 I still have not resolved that rpc issue, will take a fresh look later this afternoon. |
| 11:28 |
shinohai |
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10026276 (/_-) #facepalm |
| 11:28 |
assbot |
Ethereum Cloud Mining for Dummies | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1TeyrM7 ) |
| 11:39 |
mod6 |
shinohai: ok, did you get a chance to try it on v0.5.3? |
| 11:39 |
mod6 |
It also couldn't hurt to describe exactly what you're trying to do in here. |
| 11:40 |
shinohai |
Not yet, gonna clear a space to try it. But I tried multiple times on the other versions and no dice. |
| 11:40 |
shinohai |
Simple rpc call is all, with auth |
| 11:40 |
mod6 |
other versions as in .. from us? or from power rangers? |
| 11:40 |
mod6 |
specifics are good :] |
| 11:41 |
shinohai |
All the versions of therealbitcoin. Power rangers are fine. |
| 11:41 |
shinohai |
For ref, this is what I tried: |
| 11:41 |
shinohai |
curl --user rpcuser --data-binary '{"jsonrpc": "1.0", "id":"curltest", "method": "getinfo", "params": [] }' 127.0.0.1:8332 |
| 11:41 |
shinohai |
Which asks for password, which I supplied as listed in my .conf |
| 11:42 |
mod6 |
Ok, yup, next try on v0.5.3 |
| 11:42 |
mod6 |
log results plz |
| 11:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00059674 = 14.1726 BTC [-] {4} |
| 11:43 |
shinohai |
kk. I am just trying to confirm if I am the only one having this issue. If so, then I am doing *something* horribly stupid. |
| 11:43 |
mircea_popescu |
!up wgromniak |
| 11:44 |
shinohai |
I fired up namecoind and used the same curl request fine :/ |
| 11:44 |
shinohai |
Phoundation v 0.10.0 works too |
| 11:47 |
mircea_popescu |
<cazalla> from that brain wallet drama https://rya.nc/cracking_cryptocurrency_brainwallets.pdf someone had 250 btc using "how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood" << the benefits of more adoption. i bet you he "just wanted bitcoin to work" and "we" should make sure that happens while he focuses on whatever the fuck he does. running for mayor in futopia, coming up with surnames for earthwor |
| 11:47 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1IxUvMI ) |
| 11:47 |
mircea_popescu |
ms, ~important~ stuff. |
| 11:48 |
phf |
;;later tell ben_vulpes if you can run `brew -v install cs >cs-debug.log 2>&1` (-v shows the underlying build output) and send me paste cs-debug.log that would be helpful. |
| 11:48 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 11:49 |
wgromniak |
mircea_popescu, thx, just lurking |
| 11:49 |
asciilifeform |
'Move your money out of any brainwallets youre using. Please. Dont get robbed. Somebody just lost $14K last week. Heres how.' << mega-l0l! >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159368 |
| 11:49 |
assbot |
Logged on 10-06-2015 17:00:38; ascii_field: mats: http://blog.jacobtorrey.com/my-minilock-concerns << i -still- insist that if your brainwallet is crackable, you are a moron |
| 11:50 |
mircea_popescu |
<punkman> http://i.imgur.com/cxw3zdC.jpg << i have nfi why porn is sorted by all sorts of dubious criteria rather than say "tit shape". "All girls pears volume MCXVI". "Catshaped Tits LMII". "That weird pubescent thing where the nipple is most of the tit XIV" |
| 11:50 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1IxUV5Q ) |
| 11:51 |
mircea_popescu |
in any case, http://40.media.tumblr.com/95f4dd82298be86b3e700ea8a403afc5/tumblr_na40uyFuJX1tttg72o1_1280.jpg |
| 11:51 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1DCHGnA ) |
| 11:52 |
shinohai |
>.> https://i.imgur.com/Zvq07tS.webm |
| 11:52 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1DCHLaQ ) |
| 11:52 |
mircea_popescu |
<jurov> mircea_popescu strucks me like -- "who needs the yucky plankton" said the whale << can you be specific ? what is this, neoimpressionism ? |
| 11:53 |
asciilifeform |
'Brainflayer could cover that search space in less than a week on EC2' << lamerz. when i heard 'brainflayer' i assumed it was this chair where victim is slowly electrified with character by character scrolling by and settling into place 'slot machine' style based on his reactions, as his eyelids are glued open |
| 11:53 |
asciilifeform |
(character of the pw) |
| 11:54 |
shinohai |
I assume one must have a brain before attempting to use a brainwallet .... |
| 11:54 |
asciilifeform |
either ^this or that 'f-mri' gadget where machine determines if 'has seen X before' |
| 11:54 |
asciilifeform |
and iterates through partial X-es |
| 11:55 |
mircea_popescu |
<mod6> Sure thing. Agree 100%, but since 'rotor' can run on any "sane" linux (to quote ascii), we don't have to marry ourselves to Gentoo << not clear there exist any sane linuxen ; not clear that if we don't marry to something there'll be anything left next year. that sorta thing. |
| 11:55 |
phf |
;;later tell ben_vulpes in fact if i manage to fix whatever cs issue future instruction should be to do brew install -v eulora > eulora.log 2>&1, so you don't have to rerun it twice if something breaks |
| 11:55 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 11:55 |
mircea_popescu |
but otherwise the point is correct, the gentoo choice predated the rotor and proibably was made obsolete by it |
| 11:56 |
asciilifeform |
even if using 'rotor', you still gotta live in that linux. |
| 11:56 |
asciilifeform |
use its xorg, userland, etc |
| 11:58 |
wywialm |
hello, I would like to request your comments on the project i am collaborating on |
| 11:58 |
wywialm |
https://quedex.net/ |
| 11:58 |
assbot |
Quedex Bitcoin Derivatives Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCIA3p ) |
| 11:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8343 @ 0.00060945 = 5.0846 BTC [+] {2} |
| 11:59 |
shinohai |
dat javascript |
| 12:00 |
wywialm |
works without :) |
| 12:01 |
mircea_popescu |
wywialm can you isntead make statements ? |
| 12:01 |
wywialm |
sure, statements about the exchange? |
| 12:01 |
mircea_popescu |
like "i'm collaborating on a project based on P1 P2 P3 being true and P4 and P5 being false, it is supposed to achieve Q. Any comments ?" |
| 12:02 |
mircea_popescu |
that works a lot better, not likely i'm going to form much of a useful idea from looking at a web interface. |
| 12:03 |
wywialm |
from the security perspective, it is based on the MPEx PGP standard |
| 12:03 |
mircea_popescu |
in other lolz, http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/#comment-114982 |
| 12:03 |
assbot |
A complete theory of economics on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TeDlc4 ) |
| 12:03 |
wywialm |
(see https://quedex.net/doc/pgp_messages) |
| 12:03 |
assbot |
Quedex Bitcoin Derivatives Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1TeDo7O ) |
| 12:03 |
mircea_popescu |
wywialm in the sense that what, users give you their key and all subsequent communication's encrypted and signed by it ? |
| 12:04 |
wywialm |
that is true |
| 12:04 |
mircea_popescu |
pretty cool. |
| 12:05 |
shinohai |
Leaving this here for google to index kthx. <<< lulz wut? |
| 12:05 |
mircea_popescu |
someone is new at the entire "spun content" business. |
| 12:05 |
mircea_popescu |
"make money while asleep!" |
| 12:06 |
phf |
next step in SEO, leaving links on b-a. "hitler lizard diddled singles! http://..." |
| 12:07 |
mircea_popescu |
i'd pay to see. |
| 12:07 |
mircea_popescu |
what is this, woman being ravished by komodo dragon with military cap ? |
| 12:08 |
wywialm |
from the financial perspective, it assumes that when running futures exchange, one should also provide options and have a complete market |
| 12:09 |
mircea_popescu |
"Thats like saying the dotcom bubble was a scam isn't it? You can certainly phrase it like that but is that really whats going on. An actual scam?" |
| 12:09 |
mircea_popescu |
where do these fucktards spawn from srsly. |
| 12:09 |
mircea_popescu |
wywialm options on what ? |
| 12:09 |
mircea_popescu |
for instance i had an open offer for a tsla short in here weeks ago, could it have filled it ? |
| 12:09 |
wywialm |
and that market should be bitcoin-oriented, i.e. contracts should be structured treading fiat currencies as foreign currencies |
| 12:09 |
mircea_popescu |
oh, fx futures you mean ? |
| 12:10 |
wywialm |
currently - on fiat currencies, but i'd very much like to introduce stock options |
| 12:10 |
mircea_popescu |
how do you resolve the liability issue ? |
| 12:11 |
mircea_popescu |
suppose i buy a million dollars to be delivered in q4. how do you resolve the part where you have to make sure whoever sold me the mn actually has it by then ? |
| 12:12 |
wywialm |
currently the contracts are financially settled, but when we move to the physical delivery (as soon as possible), the margins would increase as the contract approaches notice date |
| 12:12 |
mircea_popescu |
so sellers get daily margin calls ? |
| 12:13 |
mircea_popescu |
http://40.media.tumblr.com/52250483f30c6d161a3d9517789a4ac7/tumblr_n9eqdbprVo1tttg72o1_1280.jpg << quoted for the pained face and contorted body language of the derp in white. she KNOWS, like in her ovaries, that she's looking at exactly what she should be doing. she thinks, in her stupid head, that this is not something she could do. so she's in the physically detectable process of inventing contortions of nonsense to |
| 12:14 |
mircea_popescu |
"explain" and "make sense" of it all. because omfg, what if she just ditched the blouse o noes her mommy told her the sky would fall. |
| 12:14 |
wywialm |
margin calls might appear in real time, if the margin is not replenished quickly, the position is liquidated |
| 12:14 |
wywialm |
where quickly is defined in terms of price move |
| 12:14 |
mircea_popescu |
"quickly" |
| 12:14 |
mircea_popescu |
so it gets liquidated. what's that do for buyer ? |
| 12:14 |
wywialm |
:) |
| 12:14 |
mircea_popescu |
i bought 1mn in q4, yoiu're gonna give me 3/4 mn in q3 because hey, why not ? |
| 12:14 |
mircea_popescu |
im suing you. |
| 12:15 |
wywialm |
the liquidated contract is sold on the market at the market price |
| 12:16 |
mircea_popescu |
but you see what i mean do you ? |
| 12:17 |
wywialm |
yes, ultimately, the exchange provides reserves to cover for members' losses, which are planned to be strenghened by credit default swaps |
| 12:18 |
shinohai |
From: https://quedex.net/doc/security "The Cold Wallet is implemented on top of the Bitcoin Core client using watch-only addresses." <<< fail ? |
| 12:18 |
assbot |
Quedex Bitcoin Derivatives Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1TeFF2S ) |
| 12:19 |
wywialm |
shinohai that is why i'm asking you - could you please explain? |
| 12:19 |
mircea_popescu |
this will be the bane of your existence, on the general theoretic front. because like it or not, the unappealing dilemma is, either offer "renegotiable contracts", which is roughly what you're describing, and which fails at the only job futures have to do (ie, ensure the buyer of specified amount of specified merchandise on specified date), or else full reserve, which will kill your speculators without which no market |
| 12:19 |
mircea_popescu |
can function (irrespective of what idiots such as the eu central bank think). so there is that. |
| 12:19 |
mircea_popescu |
but in point of fact, for your daily life, you'll have a much more annoying problem. |
| 12:19 |
mircea_popescu |
what btc price do you use for settlement ? |
| 12:20 |
shinohai |
wywialm: still analyzing |
| 12:20 |
mircea_popescu |
shinohai will require a coupla engineers always on to watch the watchjer. this is unavoidalbe, bitcoin is a pos anyway. |
| 12:21 |
wywialm |
currently - an average across 4 USD exchanges, with cutting out outliers |
| 12:22 |
mircea_popescu |
problem being the market's illiquid enough to be easily pushed. but that's not something you'll manage to fix or really should be fixing. |
| 12:23 |
mircea_popescu |
what's the meaning of "collaborating on" in this context ? |
| 12:23 |
wywialm |
i am the economist behind all this |
| 12:24 |
mircea_popescu |
are you an outside consultant on a salary, a board member with an equity interest, a volunteer academic, none of the above. |
| 12:24 |
mircea_popescu |
(note that deferred salary payments and other promises make you a 3) |
| 12:25 |
wywialm |
re spot illiquidity - i acknowlegde this, currency futures as well as commodity futures should have physical delivery and we're working on it |
| 12:26 |
mircea_popescu |
if your future doesn't deliver it has a hole in it, sooner or later it'll infect and puss out. anyway. |
| 12:26 |
wywialm |
3) academic with deferred salary payments dependent of the performace of the exchange |
| 12:27 |
mircea_popescu |
why would you wish to risk your reputation (which, whatever you may think of it, is significant enough that you can come here and have my ear whenever you want to) on this thing ? for all you know you're reliving the neobee nightmare. you remember that ? |
| 12:28 |
wywialm |
i think it's a good idea, and i know personally people involved, and i needed your comments - how else could i get these? |
| 12:28 |
wywialm |
btw: thank you for kind words |
| 12:28 |
mircea_popescu |
why're these people involved not in the wot for instance ? who are they ? how do you know any word they say is true ? |
| 12:29 |
shinohai |
neobee provided so many lulz |
| 12:29 |
wywialm |
yes, i remember neobee very well |
| 12:29 |
mircea_popescu |
the way this usually works, and it has worked about 500 times to date with 0 variance, is that scammer gets a coupla sluts and a coupla "credible people" to contact respectable, well meaning folk, launches project. from the perspective of the public the respectable folk form an impenetrable visual barrier. from the perspective of said folk, the coupla sluts and couipla salesmen idem. and a year to a year and a half lat |
| 12:29 |
mircea_popescu |
er scammer runs witrh moey and the entire stack of noobs is left apologizing |
| 12:30 |
mircea_popescu |
!up n6 |
| 12:31 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/04/truecrypt_decrypted_by_fbi << lulz |
| 12:31 |
assbot |
Wait, what? TrueCrypt 'decrypted' by FBI to nail doc-stealing sysadmin • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1KXlcQK ) |
| 12:31 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform they finally giving up on all the pretense re truecrypt ? win. |
| 12:31 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess all the effort to parallel-construct was no longer worth it seeing how "nobody" really bought it anyway. |
| 12:31 |
wywialm |
i will of course invite them to WoT - but i know them for a long time irl |
| 12:32 |
nubbins` |
re:neobee, wonder what happened to thickasthieves |
| 12:32 |
mircea_popescu |
wywialm there's know and there's know. not something i can help you with - but know you are in fact taking your fate in your own hands and make the call as to these people in full light of that. |
| 12:32 |
shinohai |
That means little to potential investors though. |
| 12:32 |
nubbins` |
i guess he got his cream and moved on |
| 12:32 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` iirc he narrowly survived that, a settlement being involved. |
| 12:32 |
nubbins` |
o! |
| 12:32 |
nubbins` |
he got way too much of a pass in here |
| 12:32 |
nubbins` |
for the amount of shady things he was into |
| 12:33 |
n6 |
Hey mircea_popescu I have been coming around last few days getting a ton of help, but it has all made me feel awful. Last year I really let your ideas down and ended up getting tricked by someone pretending to be a friend of mine. but in the end the basic ideas saved me from going to jail. would you help me work out? |
| 12:33 |
mircea_popescu |
it's a forum, this. really very free passage throughout. |
| 12:33 |
mircea_popescu |
n6 work out ?! |
| 12:33 |
nubbins` |
8) |
| 12:33 |
mircea_popescu |
like what, aerobics ? |
| 12:33 |
n6 |
Yep |
| 12:33 |
mircea_popescu |
o.O |
| 12:33 |
* |
nubbins` takes notes |
| 12:34 |
mircea_popescu |
what the fuck am i, jane fonda over here. talk to a woman in good shape, they know. |
| 12:34 |
n6 |
Have no gpg key to prove who I am |
| 12:34 |
nubbins` |
^ bummer |
| 12:34 |
wywialm |
mircea_popescu, i acknowledge this |
| 12:34 |
mircea_popescu |
!rated wywialm |
| 12:34 |
assbot |
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| 12:34 |
n6 |
but maybe my story can help others |
| 12:34 |
mircea_popescu |
!rate wywialm 3 Polish econ guy, trying to make quedex.net work. |
| 12:34 |
assbot |
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| 12:35 |
nubbins` |
!s thickasthieves |
| 12:35 |
assbot |
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| 12:35 |
nubbins` |
o jeez |
| 12:35 |
mircea_popescu |
!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.wywialm.3:8bbdc73128302d7bd5c78c2e2521b516d2041fa396c65d8d866b13e26f149a02 |
| 12:35 |
assbot |
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| 12:35 |
nubbins` |
LEL all those unrates. |
| 12:35 |
mircea_popescu |
wywialm best of luck. there isn't anything glaringly obvious to say else. |
| 12:35 |
mircea_popescu |
n6 so say your story. |
| 12:35 |
n6 |
working on it. |
| 12:36 |
wywialm |
mircea_popescu, i didn't expect this, but i'm thankful |
| 12:36 |
mircea_popescu |
was another guy did something similar, trying to remember |
| 12:36 |
mircea_popescu |
Duffer1 maybe. |
| 12:36 |
wywialm |
actually, there are two more issues i would like to ask you |
| 12:36 |
mircea_popescu |
shoot |
| 12:36 |
n6 |
Started reading reading trilema about 2.5 years ago, and it was all, I could think about. But my understanding was lacking. so I didnt talk in b-a took it to all my friends, none of them seeme to care. but then one guy cyperpunk sort of guy... we talked about it for about 3/mo then he dropped off the face of the earth |
| 12:37 |
wywialm |
first,is the dual market model - we are utilising auctions on openings and closes. Do you have any thoughts on it? |
| 12:37 |
n6 |
at some point he came back to a chan with just me and him and all he wanted to talk about was your site and doing mpex.. told him at first we didnt know anything we would just lose all our money to error or get robbed. but he kept pushing and I gave in and went to hook up with him in nyc |
| 12:38 |
nubbins` |
you went to hook up with him o.O |
| 12:38 |
mircea_popescu |
wywialm it's not an illegitimate approach. i can't evaluate how practically useful it'll be, but then again that's what you folks are in for right ? |
| 12:38 |
mircea_popescu |
n6 what's your first language ? |
| 12:38 |
n6 |
english |
| 12:38 |
n6 |
just very bad with it. |
| 12:39 |
mircea_popescu |
kk go on. |
| 12:39 |
wywialm |
second, is the stock options mentioned above - would you allow to issue options on S.MPOE, or would you allow creating an MPEx index to issue derivatives on it? |
| 12:39 |
n6 |
we had a longer friendship then 3/mo and he was the one who told me about bitcoin forums (how i found out about mpoe-pr). anyway once I got to nyc, saw we both didnt know anything so pretty much told him I couldnt keep keys and we would lose all our money |
| 12:39 |
n6 |
he still wanted to do it |
| 12:39 |
n6 |
told him he should just do coinbr and leave me out of it |
| 12:39 |
n6 |
said he was ok with losing all his money |
| 12:40 |
n6 |
told him I wouldn't have anything to do with fiat only bitcoin and we would have to move out of the states to do it. |
| 12:40 |
mircea_popescu |
wywialm i'm not required to allow trading of options. for as long as you hold some of the underlying, you can structure its ownership in any way you wish. such as through trading options on it. |
| 12:41 |
n6 |
he was also asking me to rep him in the wot ( told him he had to do that on his own ) |
| 12:41 |
mircea_popescu |
!gettrust n6 |
| 12:41 |
assbot |
Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user n6: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=n6 | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/n6/ |
| 12:41 |
n6 |
I'm not a user |
| 12:41 |
n6 |
no key |
| 12:41 |
mircea_popescu |
n6 how would you help him then ? |
| 12:41 |
wywialm |
legally - yes, but you would be a stakeholder in some sense, so i'd rather do it with you knowing about it |
| 12:42 |
n6 |
I was wrong. but your ideas saved me |
| 12:42 |
* |
nubbins` chuckles |
| 12:42 |
nubbins` |
i have 5 bucks says MP is getting a woman to read this back to him later |
| 12:42 |
n6 |
I couldn't help him, thought he would do some reading on his own but all he wanted me to do was save posts for him to read. |
| 12:42 |
n6 |
yep |
| 12:42 |
n6 |
more then 5 |
| 12:43 |
nubbins` |
your friend sounds like a chump |
| 12:43 |
n6 |
even showed me how to save a post on my desktop.... into a pdf |
| 12:43 |
nubbins` |
no offense |
| 12:43 |
n6 |
he isnt my friend he was someone pretending to be |
| 12:43 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` you lose. |
| 12:43 |
nubbins` |
:/ |
| 12:43 |
wywialm |
anyway, thank you for your comments |
| 12:43 |
n6 |
sorry for how I acted, mind if i come back around? |
| 12:43 |
nubbins` |
n6 when you said "cypherpunk" i stopped caring :P |
| 12:43 |
mircea_popescu |
wywialm well i'm not entirely sure how that'd work, not like i'm against it or anything. but gotta come up with something specific. |
| 12:44 |
nubbins` |
n6 heck, pull up a chair |
| 12:44 |
n6 |
nubbins` for good reason... but he was the only person around my level I could find to talk about this with. |
| 12:44 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` i always thought you're like the only cypherpunk here you know. |
| 12:44 |
wywialm |
sure, when technical stuff is ready i will let you know |
| 12:44 |
mircea_popescu |
n6 either i'm slow today or something's amiss. i don't get what exactly you think you did wrong from this story. |
| 12:45 |
n6 |
I didn't interact with my first friend using gpg auth so someoen else just stepped in and was able too.. |
| 12:45 |
n6 |
we had only ever met online |
| 12:45 |
mircea_popescu |
so what, i'm the patron saint of sane ops ? |
| 12:45 |
shinohai |
tl;dr use wot next time |
| 12:46 |
n6 |
yes |
| 12:46 |
mircea_popescu |
tell you what, wen i was about 10 a girl that really liked me in schooil called me on the phone pretending to be this other girl i really liked, and she tricked me into meeting at the movies. |
| 12:46 |
mircea_popescu |
i didnmt think to ask for a gpg sig. bought her an icecream and we even kissed! |
| 12:46 |
mircea_popescu |
will you ever forgive me ? |
| 12:46 |
mircea_popescu |
(yes, back when i was 10 kids went to the cinema on their own. fancy that.) |
| 12:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29900 @ 0.00060946 = 18.2229 BTC [+] {2} |
| 12:47 |
mircea_popescu |
(even got a discount) |
| 12:47 |
n6 |
Yes, do you forgive me for being an idiot and trying to fuck up what your building with derping around? |
| 12:47 |
wywialm |
ah, in case you, the assetteers, are interested - Quedex is running beta testing combined with trading challenge. Participation is greatly welcomed as well as any feedback |
| 12:47 |
mircea_popescu |
i srsly don't see a problem n6. relax an; enjoy. |
| 12:48 |
wywialm |
more info at https://quedex.net/challenge/ranking |
| 12:48 |
assbot |
Quedex Bitcoin Derivatives Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1gmATDD ) |
| 12:48 |
mircea_popescu |
wywialm you gonna introduce eulora copper derivatives ? :D |
| 12:48 |
mircea_popescu |
The sum of Bitcoin prizes in the challenge is 3.14159265 BTC. hahaha |
| 12:49 |
mircea_popescu |
"how do we do this, we don't have a lot of money to spend on it" "just pick a significant number, that's how mp always does it. people will think hey, it's metasyntactic!" |
| 12:49 |
n6 |
mircea_popescu: I'm still working on getting the callgraph http://trilema.com/2015/open-callgraph-for-therealbitcoin-in-svg-format/#comment-114958 working but seem to have lost my lsub file, on my gentoo install and need to build it on os x and move it over to my gentoo distro. think you could help me with that? |
| 12:49 |
assbot |
[OPEN] Callgraph for therealbitcoin, in SVG format. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXrqQ2 ) |
| 12:49 |
wywialm |
that is just beta :) |
| 12:49 |
n6 |
seems a shame to come all this way and not finish the job. |
| 12:50 |
mircea_popescu |
n6 notrly, i'm not much of a systems guy. |
| 12:50 |
n6 |
mircea_popescu: didn't you teach some kids how to use gentoo with RagnarDanneskjol ? |
| 12:51 |
mircea_popescu |
mno. just recommended him to give them something to do hopefully less retarded than what they were doing at the time. |
| 12:51 |
mircea_popescu |
(hostile messages won't be awarded points) << lol how da fuck do you police that. |
| 12:52 |
wywialm |
in case we notice :) |
| 12:52 |
n6 |
mircea_popescu: any ideas for how I might get back a lsub? |
| 12:52 |
wywialm |
the recommendations are moderated, also |
| 12:52 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno, build it. |
| 12:53 |
n6 |
where do I learn how to do that? |
| 12:54 |
n6 |
Got so much help from everyone in here, that was the only way I could even get the install working. even after reading docs for hours. need similar help here. |
| 12:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24250 @ 0.00061157 = 14.8306 BTC [+] {4} |
| 12:56 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't even fucking remember what lsub was |
| 12:57 |
mircea_popescu |
the usb lister thing ? |
| 12:58 |
n6 |
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Wifi#Hardware_Detection yes |
| 12:58 |
assbot |
Wifi - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1gmCY2y ) |
| 12:58 |
mircea_popescu |
isn't that lsusb ? |
| 12:59 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, writing an article, i'll bbl. |
| 12:59 |
n6 |
I need to compile it here and move it to there |
| 12:59 |
n6 |
ok ttyl thanks for letting me come back. |
| 13:03 |
shinohai |
!up n6 |
| 13:04 |
n6 |
thanks shinohai, but not sure anyone is around who can help me, going to do some reading. |
| 13:04 |
shinohai |
what did u need help with lusb? |
| 13:05 |
shinohai |
*lsusb |
| 13:05 |
n6 |
it's missing on my gentoo install and need to install some wifi ethernet is broken. |
| 13:05 |
* |
asciilifeform has nothing against n00bz, but has the distinct feeling of watching primary school pupils banging on the door of a university maths dept for help with arithmetic homework. |
| 13:06 |
shinohai |
Well that sux. I can't be of much help when it comes to gentoo tho :/ |
| 13:06 |
asciilifeform |
schools have grade for a reason? |
| 13:07 |
phf |
i need to reverse a list in lisp - use nreverse - no i need to do it manually! |
| 13:08 |
asciilifeform |
'here, have a magnetized needle' |
| 13:09 |
n6 |
woudln't know never went to school asciilifeform dropped out in the 7th grade. |
| 13:09 |
n6 |
and before that never did any work. |
| 13:09 |
n6 |
seems to have caught up with me in the end. |
| 13:09 |
asciilifeform |
n6: what did you do with the time you won ? |
| 13:10 |
* |
asciilifeform has several colleagues who didn't finish school, they put the time to good use |
| 13:10 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00061473 = 12.9708 BTC [+] {3} |
| 13:11 |
n6 |
I played video games and read selectively |
| 13:13 |
asciilifeform |
what's it mean to 'read selectively' ? |
| 13:15 |
n6 |
It means I didn't read to learn just read for enjoyment or until something got hard and gave up. |
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| 13:16 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform the first one's always instructive. |
| 13:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.00060905 = 7.8263 BTC [-] |
| 13:16 |
mircea_popescu |
very simple math in my head, "is this one doing a better job at X than the last/best one we saw to date". obviously in empty lines this is trivial. also perhaps not for everyone. |
| 13:19 |
n6 |
mircea_popescu: how does someone go about learning Romanian? |
| 13:19 |
shinohai |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231075 <<< That's the answer! Give up when it gets hard! |
| 13:19 |
assbot |
Logged on 08-08-2015 17:15:00; n6: It means I didn't read to learn just read for enjoyment or until something got hard and gave up. |
| 13:19 |
shinohai |
I've been doing it all wrong. |
| 13:19 |
mircea_popescu |
n6 same way you learn any language - find a native girlfriend. |
| 13:20 |
n6 |
never had a girlfriend. |
| 13:21 |
shinohai |
n6: http://backpage.com/ |
| 13:21 |
assbot |
Free classifieds - backpage.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2Qqpw ) |
| 13:21 |
mircea_popescu |
how old are you n6 ? |
| 13:21 |
n6 |
26 |
| 13:21 |
shinohai |
Christ on a stick |
| 13:21 |
mircea_popescu |
you're missing out. |
| 13:21 |
n6 |
was a recluse for 12~ years |
| 13:22 |
mircea_popescu |
who paid the bills ? |
| 13:22 |
n6 |
my mommy |
| 13:22 |
n6 |
and the govorment |
| 13:22 |
phf |
most romanian girls i've met on the east coast were doing work exchange at beach towns. they are very friendly and talkative because americans seemed to be scared of approaching them |
| 13:22 |
* |
shinohai not sure if trolling .... |
| 13:23 |
mircea_popescu |
phf gotta appreciate they grew up in a sane culture. you know, malecentric rapeworld of doom-evil thing. |
| 13:23 |
mircea_popescu |
so the world as reflected in their eyes doesn't actually suck the way it does for usian born and bred. |
| 13:24 |
phf |
i sometimes forget how it us outside of here |
| 13:25 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't think it's got a decade into it left anyway |
| 13:25 |
mircea_popescu |
the us way is after all easier. |
| 13:25 |
n6 |
shinohai: i'm not trolling |
| 13:26 |
phf |
mircea_popescu: you mean sane culture has a decade left to it? i've noticed the whole rapeworld thing happening to russian girls |
| 13:26 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2015#1146707 |
| 13:26 |
assbot |
Logged on 28-05-2015 03:27:41; asciilifeform: generally these folks have better sense than to come here. |
| 13:27 |
mircea_popescu |
phf "rapeworld". just because english tards use words doesn't mean much. |
| 13:29 |
phf |
i hope so, because the whole thing is toxic and oppressive |
| 13:30 |
mircea_popescu |
i think we'd greatly benefit from defining things here, i'm getting confused. |
| 13:31 |
mircea_popescu |
so, i see three things. 1) the actual rape culture as seen in "women are cattle" vory outlook on life and derivatives ; 2) the so-called "rape culture" wherein male dominance is generally recognised as natural within some bounds ; 3) the libertard nonsense, a recent reimplementation of the ancient socialist "great leaps forward". |
| 13:31 |
mircea_popescu |
i was comparing 2 and 3. were you thinking of 1 ? |
| 13:32 |
phf |
no, 2 and 3. i was saying that 3 is toxic and oppressive |
| 13:32 |
mircea_popescu |
oh i c. |
| 13:32 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno, it's really just meaningless. |
| 13:32 |
mircea_popescu |
toxic, i suppose, if one's bolted down. |
| 13:33 |
mircea_popescu |
like the nut tree's toxic. |
| 13:34 |
phf |
well, you're not experiencing it directly, and it seems palpable here, in the real world. like i went to a beach a few weeks ago in americatown (ocean city, md) and the vibes are just nasty. sluggish girls with stooped shoulders avoiding any sort of eye contact or making nasty faces at you if you linger on them too long |
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| 13:35 |
mircea_popescu |
so you say "hey, something bothering you" ? |
| 13:36 |
phf |
i thought maybe it's from too much internet, but no, there was a group of girls that acted like normal human beings, coy and playful and active. turned out they were slovenian |
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| 13:36 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35334 @ 0.00060022 = 21.2082 BTC [-] |
| 13:36 |
asciilifeform |
^ absolute iron SOP in usa |
| 13:37 |
nubbins` |
<+mircea_popescu> nubbins` i always thought you're like the only cypherpunk here you know. <<< wat |
| 13:38 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` srsly ? downshifting, hanging out with obscure bands and whatnoit making posters all day. whjat else ? |
| 13:38 |
scoopbot_revived |
The Structured Conversation http://trilema.com/2015/the-structured-conversation/ |
| 13:38 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu et al: phuctor reactor refueling now ! |
| 13:39 |
mircea_popescu |
phf it's funny to me, as a purely unconvinced observer of "culture" as a feeding epiphenomena, to notice just how fundamentally workable the whole species is. does it want a war ? it'll fucking fix the demographics and get it, and you can write any book you want - it'll help! |
| 13:39 |
nubbins` |
you make cypherpunks sound like slummed-out ne'er-do-wells |
| 13:39 |
nubbins` |
oh wait ;p |
| 13:39 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` did i leave out the psychoactives or somewhing ? whence the protest ? :D |
| 13:40 |
nubbins` |
:D |
| 13:40 |
mircea_popescu |
"guy with a pgp key and a bmezine archive" = cypherpunk |
| 13:40 |
chetty |
<phf> i thought maybe it's from too much internet, but no,/usa girls are taught that all men are nasty pervs and must be avoided, and even those who dont buy it must behave like that in groups |
| 13:40 |
mircea_popescu |
what was your definition. |
| 13:40 |
nubbins` |
heh. |
| 13:40 |
nubbins` |
i actually went back to browse the BME community website thing |
| 13:40 |
nubbins` |
sad :/ |
| 13:40 |
mircea_popescu |
chetty the mindboggling thing is that they'd buy it. |
| 13:40 |
mircea_popescu |
since when do adolescent women listen to anyone., |
| 13:41 |
nubbins` |
since they encountered enough nasty pervs to realize? |
| 13:41 |
chetty |
they listen to their peers, or at least behave as they do |
| 13:42 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` these actually exist ? |
| 13:42 |
mircea_popescu |
they seem more akin to the counterfeit "collabolators" of soviet era. |
| 13:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36250 @ 0.00061715 = 22.3717 BTC [+] {3} |
| 13:48 |
ben_vulpes |
phf: running and logging the CS install |
| 13:48 |
ben_vulpes |
<asciilifeform> ^ absolute iron SOP in usa << i do not get this attitude of yourn |
| 13:49 |
phf |
cool thanks! |
| 13:49 |
ben_vulpes |
i have a wife, wear a ring, and dates are *still* very easy to procure |
| 13:49 |
ben_vulpes |
do you boys not /smile/ or something? |
| 13:50 |
phf |
ben_vulpes: i wasn't talking about "dates" |
| 13:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00061884 = 2.0422 BTC [+] {2} |
| 13:51 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe the east coast sucks this bad |
| 13:52 |
phf |
ben_vulpes: also beach in san diego was a lot more pleasant overall then the one in ocean city md, so it must be east coast thing |
| 13:53 |
* |
asciilifeform was brain-melted when visiting the distant lands where gurlz look like people, in apr. '14 and '15 |
| 13:54 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-04-2015#1106285 << see also. |
| 13:54 |
assbot |
Logged on 22-04-2015 02:23:24; ascii_lander: in usa perhaps 1 in 10 20-30y.o. females has the face of a human being, rather than a malignant motorized plastic doll |
| 13:55 |
ben_vulpes |
i think this whole routine of ascii's boils down to "the east coast sucks and more so in direct proportion to DC proximity" |
| 13:55 |
phf |
ben_vulpes: besides you're an american, let the expats bitch and moan :) |
| 13:55 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35144 @ 0.00059734 = 20.9929 BTC [-] {3} |
| 13:55 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: nyc didn't look detectably different to naked eye |
| 13:55 |
ben_vulpes |
you don't see much of a difference between nyc and the md burbs? |
| 13:55 |
asciilifeform |
not in the phenomenon discussed earlier |
| 13:56 |
ben_vulpes |
or is this just the girlfaces |
| 13:56 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
| 13:56 |
ben_vulpes |
i am mystified i tell you |
| 13:56 |
ben_vulpes |
coracle's caught up to 209425 |
| 13:57 |
ben_vulpes |
slurping dregs from dulap |
| 13:57 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: might wanna switch to zoolag for a spell, if too slow |
| 13:57 |
asciilifeform |
dulap is getting reactor rods swapped |
| 13:58 |
ben_vulpes |
what and wait for bitcoin to shut down? |
| 13:58 |
ben_vulpes |
noty. |
| 13:58 |
ben_vulpes |
plus, i have all century. |
| 13:58 |
asciilifeform |
lel |
| 13:58 |
* |
ben_vulpes shuts down bitcoind, sets reminder for self, wanders off to make coffee, dismisses reminder ('no way its's shut down yet'), forgetst to restart |
| 13:58 |
ben_vulpes |
been down this road too many times now. |
| 13:59 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: y'know it's ok to kill -9 it ~AFTER~ it lets go of db |
| 13:59 |
ben_vulpes |
what's the logline that indicates its let go of the db? |
| 14:00 |
asciilifeform |
lsof |
| 14:02 |
* |
ben_vulpes emerges more things |
| 14:04 |
ben_vulpes |
nifty, asciilifeform |
| 14:04 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: never seen it before ? |
| 14:05 |
ben_vulpes |
no sir |
| 14:05 |
* |
nubbins` claps |
| 14:10 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33950 @ 0.00059499 = 20.1999 BTC [-] {4} |
| 14:11 |
chetty |
usa girls are taught that all men are nasty pervs and must be avoided// on consideration not so sure they are wrong either |
| 14:12 |
* |
nubbins` gestures |
| 14:12 |
nubbins` |
bbl making cat posters ;p |
| 14:20 |
ben_vulpes |
;;later tell phf http://cascadianhacker.com/eulora/cslogs.tar.gz |
| 14:20 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1TeVkiG ) |
| 14:20 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 14:21 |
ben_vulpes |
there he is |
| 14:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00060486 = 18.6599 BTC [+] {3} |
| 14:22 |
phf |
got your log |
| 14:22 |
ben_vulpes |
i've not looked at it yet |
| 14:23 |
phf |
chetty: doesn't make for pleasant living |
| 14:30 |
phf |
ben_vulpes: mm, it looks like your install is picking up some extra packages that i don't have and haven't tested. specifically it's failing trying to build bullet related plugins. |
| 14:32 |
trinque |
mod6 | The whole 'we need to get to a sane environment -- let's use Gentoo' idea was pre-dated the rotor. Now I just gotta get rotor to work for me :] << for sure; my current efforts are directed at the problem of n00bs showing up, asking for a gentleman's computer, and getting five hundred contradictory answers on how to set it up |
| 14:32 |
phf |
i think that might be fixable using something like --disable-* or --without-*, i'll take a look at it in a bit |
| 14:33 |
ben_vulpes |
phf: possible holdover from macports? |
| 14:34 |
phf |
oh that makes things even more interesting :p |
| 14:35 |
phf |
ben_vulpes: do you have bullet installed in homebrew? brew list|grep bullet |
| 14:35 |
ben_vulpes |
well except i don't think i ever did |
| 14:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31050 @ 0.00061884 = 19.215 BTC [+] |
| 14:35 |
ben_vulpes |
myeah, let me rip that out and run it again |
| 14:37 |
phf |
yeah cs's configure takes --without-* param, so i'll harden the script too |
| 14:37 |
ben_vulpes |
installing again without bullet present |
| 14:37 |
ben_vulpes |
hopefully |
| 14:39 |
phf |
i think i found another issue, that's present on my system too. seems like cs requires openal, but i don't have it in dependencies (nor do i have it installed). not sure if it just went past the issue on my install or what |
| 14:45 |
ben_vulpes |
does your eulora boot? |
| 14:46 |
phf |
yes |
| 14:46 |
ben_vulpes |
lucky guy |
| 14:46 |
ben_vulpes |
i'll get there i'm sure |
| 14:47 |
phf |
i did three builds so far, one was manual toothpicks and gum, the other one was generated using a shell script, but that was just unmanageable, so i'll figured i'll try homebrew scripts, which is the most promising so far |
| 14:49 |
ben_vulpes |
set -e, write functions? |
| 14:49 |
ben_vulpes |
i can't do shell scripts without those two things. |
| 14:49 |
phf |
ben_vulpes: yes, of course |
| 14:49 |
ben_vulpes |
anyways, off for a spell |
| 14:50 |
ben_vulpes |
you'd think those things would be an 'of course', wouldn't you |
| 14:51 |
phf |
i was also trying to build gcc&co with the same script, which is where i drew the line. but if it's not self contained and i have to rely on homebrew anyway, might as well make it all modern and dwim |
| 14:57 |
phf |
ben_vulpes: i updated cs to not build untested plugins, so if you do brew update.. |
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| 15:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29350 @ 0.00059499 = 17.463 BTC [-] {3} |
| 15:30 |
chetty |
phf> chetty: doesn't make for pleasant living/perhaps not pleasant, just real |
| 15:31 |
mircea_popescu |
what's a "perv" |
| 15:31 |
mircea_popescu |
i suppose anyone not aiming to get them pregnant's perverse by the general definition. this also includes the girls in question. |
| 15:34 |
chetty |
well what is and isnt a 'perv' is a pretty personal definition. Some might go with the pregnant call but not many, imo. |
| 15:34 |
mircea_popescu |
still, the word has to have a shared meaning |
| 15:34 |
mircea_popescu |
what's this personal thing ? can't have personally defined words. |
| 15:35 |
chetty |
well lets make it easy then, most of the 'men' in this channel would seem to qualify under common understanding of the word. |
| 15:36 |
mircea_popescu |
which is ? |
| 15:37 |
mod6 |
asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes: rotor built successfully. |
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| 15:37 |
mircea_popescu |
yay |
| 15:37 |
ben_vulpes |
woo |
| 15:39 |
danielpbarron |
i think it's perverted to "preserve the innocence" of kids like how parents spell out "bad" words and avoid answering questions of a sexual nature and whatnot |
| 15:40 |
mircea_popescu |
certainly a frank approach of any matter is a more respectable thing to do than any alternative. |
| 15:40 |
chetty |
<mircea_popescu> which is ?// consider the general attitude of women mostly only fit to be cows or slaves ... |
| 15:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00061884 = 14.9759 BTC [+] {3} |
| 15:41 |
mircea_popescu |
chetty that's far from general is it. |
| 15:41 |
chetty |
nah, its general enough, this channel is just more honest about it |
| 15:42 |
mircea_popescu |
most people are in fact cows and would greatly benefit from making the step up to slavery, but afaik i'm pretty much the only one with that view. |
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| 15:42 |
chetty |
nah, its just most couch it more politely |
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| 15:42 |
mod6 |
trinque: would you be opposed to resubmitting your patch for the rotor to the ML as a attachment with a detached sig? I have a list of concise steps that is basically a simple script to do all of the steps to build rotor/static-deterministic-stator just need to get that piece into place. that's the only manual step at this point. |
| 15:43 |
mod6 |
If not, I can do it for you. Just let me know what works, or if you need help. |
| 15:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24567 @ 0.00061885 = 15.2033 BTC [+] {3} |
| 16:02 |
mod6 |
anyway, no rush. |
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~ 30 minutes ~ |
| 16:33 |
ben_vulpes |
;;later tell phf updated cs log bundle for you |
| 16:33 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 16:33 |
ben_vulpes |
still no dice |
| 16:33 |
ben_vulpes |
ran brew update, got new recipe, still no dice on cs |
| 16:34 |
ben_vulpes |
90% of what i do around here is compiling other people's software |
| 16:34 |
ben_vulpes |
then saying "hurr durr dun werk" |
| 16:38 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231237 << optimist |
| 16:38 |
assbot |
Logged on 08-08-2015 19:42:03; mircea_popescu: most people are in fact cows and would greatly benefit from making the step up to slavery, but afaik i'm pretty much the only one with that view. |
| 16:40 |
kakobrekla |
on which? people being cows? cows benefiting? cows taking up slavery? |
| 16:44 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00061884 = 6.1575 BTC [-] {3} |
| 16:49 |
mircea_popescu |
compound views! |
| 16:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00061524 = 9.0133 BTC [-] |
| 16:57 |
jurov |
i'd say alf was ironic |
| 16:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36700 @ 0.00061046 = 22.4039 BTC [-] {3} |
| 17:02 |
asciilifeform |
no. |
| 17:13 |
mircea_popescu |
http://40.media.tumblr.com/d81039aeca2faf776b4a10b87f1ee93d/tumblr_nnhnobQAX71tbvr5oo1_500.png << "no to racism, yes to welcome." |
| 17:13 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1gnlW4p ) |
| 17:14 |
mats |
http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh6U77vWR4ZOe1XYEY this is gruesome |
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| 17:14 |
assbot |
Terrible: Vendors Saw A Giant Whale Shark Into Pieces While It's Still Alive! (*Warning* Graphic) | New Video ... ( http://bit.ly/1gnm97C ) |
| 17:15 |
mats |
https://www.reddit.com/r/dragonsfuckingcars TIL this is a thing |
| 17:15 |
assbot |
reddit.com: over 18? ... ( http://bit.ly/1gnmeZ5 ) |
| 17:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36350 @ 0.00060837 = 22.1142 BTC [-] {4} |
| 17:21 |
shinohai |
Holy shit I feel like a bzillionaire now. |
| 17:22 |
fluffypony |
http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/1439045534-20150808.png |
| 17:22 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1DylCdS ) |
| 17:32 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231238 << and this is, imnsho, a huge part of why the whole sick scene has arrived at this terminally irresolvable level... because cowards. and why? pussy! haha... stuck in revolving door |
| 17:32 |
assbot |
Logged on 08-08-2015 19:42:46; chetty: nah, its just most couch it more politely |
| 17:32 |
hanbot |
i want to make sure i'm reading ml patching guide correctly: any/all patches desired must be 'applied' --before-- compile of reference implementation, yes? |
| 17:33 |
shinohai |
correct hanbot |
| 17:33 |
funkenstein_ |
mats, thankfully my eyes saved by no flash player |
| 17:34 |
funkenstein_ |
re: yes to welcome, i can't tell if she is african or arab |
| 17:34 |
shinohai |
;;gettrust fluffypony |
| 17:34 |
gribble |
Currently authenticated from hostmask fluffypony!~fluffypon@unaffiliated/fluffypony. Trust relationship from user shinohai to user fluffypony: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=shinohai&dest=fluffypony | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=fluffypony | Rated since: Sat Apr 6 08:20:32 2013 |
| 17:40 |
ben_vulpes |
mats: "vendors"? |
| 17:40 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/572036/immigration-Britain-family-Nigeria-Home-Office-migration |
| 17:40 |
assbot |
Britain forced to let deported illegal immigrant family BACK IN | UK | News | Daily Express ... ( http://bit.ly/1DynpzI ) |
| 17:40 |
mircea_popescu |
pretty lulzy |
| 17:43 |
shinohai |
No different here in the good 'ol USA. We have illegals all over the South. It gives the conservatives no end of angst. |
| 17:43 |
* |
shinohai which is fine by me. |
| 17:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00061884 = 8.7875 BTC [+] {2} |
| 17:44 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7LNOCgHh5g |
| 17:44 |
assbot |
Jonathan Bowden-'Lilith before Eve' - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1gnqBDo ) |
| 17:46 |
funkenstein_ |
how dare those people breathe air without having proper socialist papers |
| 17:46 |
shinohai |
Immigrants: https://i.imgur.com/iyBa76Z.jpg |
| 17:46 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1Dyo9VJ ) |
| 17:47 |
mircea_popescu |
there is a fundamental problem in proposing taxes be used for welfare, and then going around and redefining citizenship |
| 17:47 |
mircea_popescu |
seems dubious whoever paid the $$$ in question was all too thrilled about it being used to prop up the fortunes of even his own countrymen, |
| 17:47 |
mircea_popescu |
but random people... i dun see it. |
| 17:48 |
shinohai |
I feel lucky that the $$$ I paid in pays for my pension as is. |
| 17:48 |
funkenstein_ |
i can understand not giving somebody soup at the soup line, but walking across a border seems ok to me |
| 17:48 |
punkman |
"In June, 15,254 migrants and refugees arrived on Lesbos, according to the Greek Coast Guard, compared with 921 the same month last year." << island has around 80k people, dunno how it's not overrun yet |
| 17:48 |
shinohai |
"No soup for you!" |
| 17:49 |
funkenstein_ |
punkman, lol.. with that name I also can't understand how it's not overrun :) |
| 17:49 |
mats |
ben_vulpes: opportunists, eh |
| 17:49 |
trinque |
when you're talking about borders on the scale of a continent, talking about "illegal immigration" is yes, stupid |
| 17:49 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman the other sad fact of the matter is that africa is simply collapsing. |
| 17:49 |
trinque |
an unsolvable problme |
| 17:50 |
mircea_popescu |
derps prefer not to talk about this, but outside of chinese sponsored enclaves and whatever few others here and there, subsaharan africa is going to be a slightly larger yellowstone park in a decade or two. |
| 17:50 |
trinque |
"you can't enter this city without being in a resident's WoT" << sounds fine to me |
| 17:50 |
shinohai |
Anyone that has a realbitcoin node running that can try something for me this evening please PM |
| 17:50 |
mats |
fish are friends, not food |
| 17:51 |
fluffypony |
lol mats |
| 17:51 |
punkman |
"About 60 percent of the arrivals are from Syria. The next largest group, making up about 20 percent, are Afghans. But there are also arrivals from Somalia, Congo, Eritrea and Pakistan, among others." |
| 17:52 |
mats |
funkenstein_: plays as mp4 over here |
| 17:52 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2011/04/most-illegal-immigrant-families-collect-welfare/ |
| 17:52 |
assbot |
Most Illegal Immigrant Families Collect Welfare - Judicial Watch ... ( http://bit.ly/1DyoV4X ) |
| 17:52 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
anchor babies |
| 17:53 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't see how they wouldn't, practically. a drink's five bux in a bar, their monthly budget back home. what exactly would they do, not like they have any skills of any value |
| 17:53 |
mircea_popescu |
heck, most europeans don't. |
| 17:53 |
shinohai |
So pay them to gtfo |
| 17:54 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
well yeah but it is still something to consider |
| 17:55 |
mircea_popescu |
the only way you pay someone to gtfo is with machine gun fire. |
| 17:55 |
mircea_popescu |
money pays to stay not to go. |
| 17:55 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
there are plenty of bums who drink and it isnt at the bars |
| 17:56 |
mircea_popescu |
ag3nt_zer0 the immigrant isn't starting any multinational corporation with his 500 saved up pula, is the point. |
| 17:58 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
most people in america have just been infantilized into retardation and dont have the will to see clearly without internalized guilt frameworks sabotaging them at every turn |
| 17:59 |
trinque |
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rNhRzKsM0rY/UTsAl7amlgI/AAAAAAAAAss/wNYn9_GnSiU/s1600/1babylon.png |
| 17:59 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1DypBqT ) |
| 17:59 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
and they will kill you if you point that out.. with their mommy superpowers |
| 17:59 |
trinque |
try illegally immigrating to that city... |
| 18:00 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
hey trinque whats up man |
| 18:00 |
trinque |
good afternoon |
| 18:00 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque wasn;t a closed city afaik |
| 18:00 |
trinque |
mircea_popescu: ah, well maybe we could make some improvements |
| 18:00 |
mircea_popescu |
... |
| 18:00 |
shinohai |
;;later tell mod6 funkenstein_ confirmed that the bug is only on my end, and not in bitcoind |
| 18:00 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 18:00 |
trinque |
I mean surely merchants are allowed in |
| 18:01 |
trinque |
my thought is simply that you should be vouched for by someone in a place before you're permitted entry |
| 18:01 |
trinque |
you know, such as here. |
| 18:01 |
mircea_popescu |
the golden crescent didn't have the "rights" approach to things. |
| 18:01 |
mircea_popescu |
you took your life in your hands. if some guy with more men and a whip felt like it... you were meat. |
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| 18:01 |
mircea_popescu |
so best go there with guards. |
| 18:01 |
mircea_popescu |
but on this premise, sure, go wherever. |
| 18:02 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
well up until the early 70s in america we were mostly taking white immigrants who simply assimilate easier and are more aligned with the extant culture... Teddy Kennedy changed all that |
| 18:03 |
trinque |
my point's simply that talking about immigration at the nation-state scale is an absurdly large, unsolvable problem |
| 18:03 |
mircea_popescu |
kinda the internal combustion engine changed all that. |
| 18:03 |
trinque |
mircea_popescu: I see your point; if you have power, you're safe wherever you like |
| 18:03 |
mircea_popescu |
once you can move that fast, "immigration" is a weird concept. |
| 18:04 |
mircea_popescu |
trinque sorta like the lion sees it. are yo uan illegal immigrant in the savannah ? well... it all depends. how good's your roar ? |
| 18:04 |
trinque |
haha |
| 18:04 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
i want a nigger teleporter |
| 18:04 |
mircea_popescu |
in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvr0puOihe1qmk4gro1_1280.jpg |
| 18:04 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1Dyq8t5 ) |
| 18:05 |
funkenstein_ |
well i guess we have illegal plants and illegal numbers.. why not illegal people? |
| 18:05 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
and not just to set on deport |
| 18:10 |
hanbot |
re ml: where are sha256sums for, eg, http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000040.html (patch)? |
| 18:10 |
assbot |
[BTC-dev] Removal of DNS Seed Mechanism. ... ( http://bit.ly/1COYYgY ) |
| 18:10 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
mircea_popescu: oddly enough, this opposite of this argument is used by the left to prop up amnesty and all these things... that that's exactly what they are doing... bringing great contribution... and, someone has to pick my vegetables Im told... |
| 18:10 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
did anyone watch that GOP debate? |
| 18:10 |
mircea_popescu |
was it the first and biggest ? |
| 18:10 |
trinque |
I suffered through part of it; in general though, the outcome should by now be largely irrelevant to you. |
| 18:11 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
yeah i guess it is |
| 18:11 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
but just nice to see someone there on their own dime for a chnage |
| 18:11 |
trinque |
Trump's just froth on the top of the last real estate bubble |
| 18:12 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
sure but its his money in his pocket |
| 18:13 |
trinque |
I'm not going to deny that the man has made some money, but neither he nor anyone else has any ideas. |
| 18:13 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
maybe i am getting stupid, but I find it refreshing |
| 18:14 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
it lifts a bit of the fog of conformity |
| 18:14 |
trinque |
this is a man who hosted reality tv, rememeber |
| 18:14 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
yeah sure |
| 18:14 |
trinque |
*remember |
| 18:14 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
but he did it for the money |
| 18:14 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
i assume |
| 18:16 |
trinque |
far from being someone who can see the "big issues" with america, he benefited from all the worst of them |
| 18:16 |
trinque |
I don't expect anything good to come of him except a bitching monster truck rally sponsored by Brawndo |
| 18:16 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
haha |
| 18:17 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
could be right |
| 18:17 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
it must be a sign of how low we've sink that I would consider that an upgrade |
| 18:17 |
trinque |
indeed. |
| 18:20 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
so i got this meetup notice that there are some etherium frontier launch parties this weekend here in the Gay Area... one is a dress-up rainbows and unicorns party... |
| 18:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21298 @ 0.00061886 = 13.1805 BTC [+] {3} |
| 18:26 |
shinohai |
ag3nt_zer0: etherium launch parties. srsly ? |
| 18:26 |
shinohai |
Of course they picked gay areas. |
| 18:28 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
haha yeah... frontier launch i guess its called |
| 18:28 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
lols https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVZdq5ErcOY |
| 18:28 |
assbot |
Caitlyn Jenner Struggles Wearing a Swimsuit - I Am Cait NEW Video - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DysAQa ) |
| 18:28 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
sorry for the trash haha |
| 18:29 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
can't help it |
| 18:29 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
its like a sore tooth as bill hicks said |
| 18:29 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
cant stop touching it |
| 18:32 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
remember this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nbeu6TYT5LA classic... |
| 18:32 |
assbot |
Bill Hicks - El Rock es la música del diablo - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DysS9K ) |
| 18:32 |
shinohai |
I'd get dirty w/ Caitlyn for 5 BTC |
| 18:32 |
shinohai |
^ put dat shit on BitBet |
| 18:33 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
haha |
| 18:36 |
cazalla |
ag3nt_zer0, how much make up to they want to cake onto that thing? |
| 18:36 |
cazalla |
do* |
| 18:37 |
cazalla |
i am sure you will be keen to see this movie too ag3nt_zer0 !! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S8HVoWm9ec |
| 18:37 |
assbot |
See Elle Fanning as a Trans Teenager in the About Ray Trailer - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dytnk6 ) |
| 18:37 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
he learned from the best i think |
| 18:37 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
haha thx |
| 18:38 |
funkenstein_ |
ag3nt_zer0, Bill Hicks +1 thx, i skip the others ;) |
| 18:39 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
cazalla: man... |
| 18:39 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
funkenstein: tragic loss man... that's the "left" i used to love |
| 18:40 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
i wonder what he would have to say about the left today... |
| 18:40 |
trinque |
he wasn't left |
| 18:40 |
trinque |
he just took a lot of drugs |
| 18:40 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
well by his own admission he was |
| 18:40 |
shinohai |
funkenstein_: I will rate you for your help earlier, your feedback helped me fix this shit. |
| 18:40 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
but i often think he might have had a naivety about the political spectrum |
| 18:41 |
trinque |
struck me as someone mistrusting big govt |
| 18:41 |
funkenstein_ |
shinohai, many thanks, and happy to help :D |
| 18:42 |
trinque |
but otherwise I don't remember a specific mention of his political beliefs, aside from seeing it all as bullshit |
| 18:42 |
shinohai |
It was goddamned stupidity and paranoia on my part. |
| 18:43 |
funkenstein_ |
oh? some secret routing table? |
| 18:43 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HT84nMCwHtY |
| 18:43 |
assbot |
bill hicks ripping bush - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dyu0du ) |
| 18:43 |
shinohai |
Nope, files. Those little files appended with ~ |
| 18:43 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
here is where i remember that from |
| 18:44 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
its contextual but I think he considered himself on "that side" if any side |
| 18:44 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
these days I am certain he wouldnt |
| 18:45 |
trinque |
ag3nt_zer0: sure, hating bush isn't being a leftist |
| 18:45 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
trinque: yeah I think he was just mistrustful of gvmt power in general |
| 18:45 |
trinque |
he said it, but yeah |
| 18:45 |
trinque |
that's just binary thinking |
| 18:45 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
well thats what i meant about the political naivity |
| 18:45 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
its strange |
| 18:45 |
trinque |
agreed |
| 18:45 |
trinque |
consider his audience |
| 18:45 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
fueled by psychedelics |
| 18:46 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
it is not uncommon for folks to end up on the left |
| 18:47 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
something about the jesus would have been a socialist shit |
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| 18:47 |
trinque |
I've done piles of psychedelics |
| 18:47 |
trinque |
I think that's just hippy nonsense |
| 18:48 |
trinque |
never after a trip was I moved to join hands and sing |
| 18:48 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
well maybe its the music scene and the civil rights and the 60s and that whole ball of wax... that when people wake up on those substances, if they follow the "cultural |
| 18:48 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
thread, they are led back to those "movements" |
| 18:49 |
trinque |
that's what I mean about binary thinking. |
| 18:49 |
trinque |
somebody takes a strong chemical, realizes that they've mindlessly followed this or that |
| 18:49 |
trinque |
so in their ignorance, they stick a minus sign in front of what they believed last and call it a revelation |
| 18:49 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
yeah thats why I just got so disgusted with that side of things and those types of people |
| 18:49 |
trinque |
see: me listening to "satanic" metal at 14 |
| 18:50 |
funkenstein_ |
http://s171.photobucket.com/user/sisdecadence/media/subgenius_big.jpg.html |
| 18:50 |
assbot |
subgenius_big.jpg Photo by sisdecadence | Photobucket ... ( http://bit.ly/1DyuHn1 ) |
| 18:50 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
because for me the message was poignant and had a virile, solar, maculine type of force to it... just as much as it had the feminine nurturing aspects... |
| 18:52 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
funkenstein: hehe that old bag... RAW and co... fun stuff |
| 18:53 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
remember prometheus rising? |
| 18:53 |
funkenstein_ |
i don' t think so? |
| 18:53 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
i did that damn "visualize a quarter" experiment for a couple weeks and whne i finally found one, it was glued to the pavement |
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| 18:53 |
funkenstein_ |
you recommend it? |
| 18:54 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
which was not one of the proposed outcomes... which was perfect for the message |
| 18:54 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
hmmmm |
| 18:54 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
i usd to |
| 18:54 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
depends on where someone is |
| 18:54 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
now when i read some of that stuff it seems only good for a certain stage |
| 18:54 |
funkenstein_ |
i enjoy some trash scifi from time to time |
| 18:55 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
yeah sure give it ago |
| 18:55 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
hmmmm |
| 18:55 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
well if you want fantasy/scifi |
| 18:55 |
trinque |
visualize a quarter? |
| 18:55 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
from raw go with the illuminatis chronicles |
| 18:56 |
funkenstein_ |
i didn't know robert anton wilson had something to do with the subgenius |
| 18:56 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Historical_Illuminatus_Chronicles |
| 18:56 |
assbot |
The Historical Illuminatus Chronicles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dyvjcm ) |
| 18:56 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
the earth will shake... the first one... i had a great time reading |
| 18:56 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
2nd, ok, 3rd, meh |
| 18:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27050 @ 0.00061889 = 16.741 BTC [+] {4} |
| 18:57 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
funkenstein: yeah maybe i am mistaken but i recall that he penned the principia discordia |
| 18:57 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
or was somehow affiliated with that whole scene |
| 18:59 |
trinque |
forgive me, but I see a lot of this stuff as a sort of post-christian wankfest |
| 18:59 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
prometheus rising is described as an operaters manual for the human brain and is a syncretism of learys 8 circuit brain model , korzybski's langugae theories, quantum gobbldygook, and other brain change shit |
| 18:59 |
funkenstein_ |
"Rev. Ivan Stang originally planned on suing the authors for plagiarizing content from the Book of the SubGenius, but then realized that Principia Discordia had been written several decades earlier and that the Book of the SubGenius had technically plagiarized Principia Discordia" |
| 19:00 |
shinohai |
@ trinque anything post-christian is ok wid me |
| 19:00 |
trinque |
I am particuarly skeptical of simple models of consciousness |
| 19:00 |
funkenstein_ |
trinque, ones that fit in head? |
| 19:00 |
trinque |
heh, yes |
| 19:00 |
shinohai |
We live in a simulation. I suspect mircea_popescu is funding it. |
| 19:01 |
shinohai |
*kek* |
| 19:02 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
ok gonna go hack my monkey at the piano... good afternoon |
| 19:03 |
trinque |
later |
| 19:03 |
funkenstein_ |
cheers |
| 19:03 |
trinque |
funkenstein_: yes, how could you have a complete model of the thing inside itself? |
| 19:03 |
trinque |
sure I could say in some particular context you could model an aspect of my behavior |
| 19:06 |
trinque |
you can reach different conclusions here, I think |
| 19:06 |
trinque |
the one that makes sense to me is that having an identity is distinct from saying you have a model of your own consciousness |
| 19:06 |
trinque |
whereas I hear people try to link the two all the time |
| 19:07 |
funkenstein_ |
interesting, consciousness as identity. does every thread have a label? |
| 19:08 |
trinque |
explain the question? |
| 19:09 |
funkenstein_ |
making the analogy to silicon computer terminology, processes have labels - identities if you will |
| 19:10 |
trinque |
ah |
| 19:10 |
trinque |
at least in my case, certainly not |
| 19:11 |
trinque |
it would seem that human beings have much more going on mentally than they're aware |
| 19:12 |
mod6 |
<+hanbot> re ml: where are sha256sums for, eg, http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000040.html (patch)? << Hi, in the case of that patch email, the SHA1 sum is embedded in the file name. For example: asciilifeform_dnsseed_snipsnip_192f7bc7c14c1d31c7b417c9cd77be51c4d255f2.patch -- if you were to download this patch, you could then run `sha1sum asciilifeform_dnsseed_snipsnip_192f7bc7c14c1d31c7b417c9cd77be51c4d255f2.patch` and it sh |
| 19:12 |
assbot |
[BTC-dev] Removal of DNS Seed Mechanism. ... ( http://bit.ly/1COYYgY ) |
| 19:12 |
funkenstein_ |
it is interesting how studying computer science gives insights into our own heads |
| 19:12 |
mod6 |
If that's what you mean. So in this case, SHA1 instead of SHA256, unless that's not what you were referring to. |
| 19:13 |
mod6 |
<shinohai> funkenstein_ confirmed that the bug is only on my end, and not in bitcoind << ok thanks for the update |
| 19:14 |
trinque |
funkenstein_: makes sense to me that this would be useful for a brain |
| 19:14 |
trinque |
you go along absorbing knowledge, but don't always have time for conscious thought to intervene before action is taken |
| 19:15 |
funkenstein_ |
absolutely. trinque have you read the carlos castenada series? some great vocabulary introduced to discuss consciousness |
| 19:16 |
cazalla |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231116 <<< mobile phones mang, it's not just you + her on the beach but you + 1000 beta faggots who follow her twitter/facebook/instagram + her on the beach |
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| 19:16 |
assbot |
Logged on 08-08-2015 17:34:56; phf: well, you're not experiencing it directly, and it seems palpable here, in the real world. like i went to a beach a few weeks ago in americatown (ocean city, md) and the vibes are just nasty. sluggish girls with stooped shoulders avoiding any sort of eye contact or making nasty faces at you if you linger on them too long |
| 19:16 |
trinque |
funkenstein_: I have; entertaining, though yet again, I question any claims around having a system for consciousness |
| 19:17 |
funkenstein_ |
one does not need a full manual to learn to tweek a few nobs I hope? :D |
| 19:17 |
trinque |
sure, his notion of 'seeing' for example |
| 19:17 |
trinque |
same thing a guy's trying to accomplish in zazen |
| 19:18 |
trinque |
or whipping himself with rope, or whatever |
| 19:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00061905 = 12.0715 BTC [+] |
| 19:18 |
trinque |
which is a level of discipline over one's focus |
| 19:19 |
funkenstein_ |
1st attention, 2nd attention.. shift the assembly point |
| 19:19 |
funkenstein_ |
zazen is new to me |
| 19:20 |
trinque |
the art of sitting... uncomfortably |
| 19:21 |
funkenstein_ |
lol |
| 19:21 |
funkenstein_ |
off for now laters -- |
| 19:24 |
cazalla |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231260 <<< harden the fuck up, people gotta eat ya know! |
| 19:24 |
assbot |
Logged on 08-08-2015 21:14:44; mats: http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh6U77vWR4ZOe1XYEY this is gruesome |
| 19:25 |
cazalla |
how does one humanely kill a whale anyway? it's already outta the water, just get it over and done with and saw that baby up |
| 19:27 |
trinque |
thing was probably dead pretty quick from blood loss after being sawed in half |
| 19:27 |
trinque |
and probably already not doing great due to lack of oxygen |
| 19:27 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00061905 = 9.781 BTC [+] |
| 19:27 |
shinohai |
cazalla: you sneak up behind it and give it whale tranquilizer and whisper "Shh .. It'll all be over soon." |
| 19:28 |
trinque |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VECtHHQjCqg |
| 19:28 |
assbot |
Cruel Nature: Lions eating their prey while it is still alive! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DyynFx ) |
| 19:29 |
trinque |
I'd rather get sawed in half |
| 19:30 |
cazalla |
this is probably the best/worst one i've seen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpuFoid8J_Q |
| 19:30 |
assbot |
Pregnant wildebeest attacked by two hyenas! Real Wildlife! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DyyvVr ) |
| 19:31 |
trinque |
see? abortion is natural |
| 19:31 |
shinohai |
LOLZ |
| 19:31 |
mats |
I've never had shark before |
| 19:31 |
trinque |
damn that's gnarly |
| 19:32 |
mats |
bet it's delicious with soy sauce and ginger |
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| 19:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19741 @ 0.00060763 = 11.9952 BTC [-] {4} |
| 19:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37068 @ 0.00060764 = 22.524 BTC [+] |
| 19:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63460 @ 0.00061715 = 39.1643 BTC [+] {4} |
| 19:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33223 @ 0.00060521 = 20.1069 BTC [-] {4} |
| 19:52 |
ben_vulpes |
<ag3nt_zer0> well thats what i meant about the political naivity naivte, you mean |
| 19:55 |
ben_vulpes |
<trinque> funkenstein_: yes, how could you have a complete model of the thing inside itself? << "to simulate a universe, you must have a universe" |
| 19:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46950 @ 0.00061937 = 29.0794 BTC [+] {4} |
| 19:59 |
cazalla |
Ethereum down -74.25 % today, much investment! |
| 20:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31606 @ 0.00062007 = 19.5979 BTC [+] {3} |
| 20:04 |
ben_vulpes |
;;later tell wywialm how does the gpg system integrate with the browser application? |
| 20:04 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 20:04 |
ben_vulpes |
users derp their keys into localstorage? |
| 20:04 |
ben_vulpes |
asks users to sign blobs? |
| 20:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00062008 = 4.7746 BTC [+] |
| 20:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18526 @ 0.00060445 = 11.198 BTC [-] {3} |
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~ 26 minutes ~ |
| 20:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00061817 = 10.2616 BTC [+] |
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~ 25 minutes ~ |
| 21:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1926 @ 0.00060445 = 1.1642 BTC [-] {2} |
| 21:07 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
ben_vulpes yes naiveté thanks ... i'll have to tell you my spelling bee story later heh |
| 21:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14237 @ 0.00059543 = 8.4771 BTC [-] |
| 21:19 |
phf |
ben_vulpes: so it looks from the log like it's still picking up bullet from somewhere. i updated the repo, so now there's an explicit --without-bullet in the script, if you do brew update and rerun. i tested it by installing bullet and then doing a cs build |
| 21:20 |
phf |
come to think of it i should probably test that it fails without the flag but with bullet present. i'll spin that up now.. |
| 21:25 |
phf |
ben_vulpes: wait, can you please check your log bundle. i'm getting diff identical folders from the first one i get and the updated one |
| 21:26 |
ben_vulpes |
myessir |
| 21:28 |
ben_vulpes |
33ff9cc085cfca6fa92443a0a17ef3dd7fe54765b6886b936d8955446f85a63e85298f79cd189345ebb54622084c5c414b68aba260e61c1ef22abebd8ed3ca82 << 512 of the recent logs |
| 21:28 |
ben_vulpes |
phf: |
| 21:29 |
ben_vulpes |
which does *not* match the one currently on my site. |
| 21:29 |
phf |
aye |
| 21:29 |
ben_vulpes |
aha, yes, i know precisely how i hosed this |
| 21:29 |
ben_vulpes |
updated! |
| 21:30 |
ben_vulpes |
achtung, spielr |
| 21:30 |
ben_vulpes |
spieler* |
| 21:31 |
phf |
ben_vulpes: it's missing cs-debug.log |
| 21:34 |
ben_vulpes |
ofc it is |
| 21:35 |
ben_vulpes |
try again, apologies, thank you |
| 21:41 |
ben_vulpes |
http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-july-2015-statement/#comment-114990 << what is a BTCiii ? |
| 21:41 |
assbot |
BitBet (S.BBET) July 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1hqOrPA ) |
| 21:44 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15625 @ 0.00059543 = 9.3036 BTC [-] {2} |
| 21:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00059578 = 3.6938 BTC [+] |
| 21:53 |
phf |
ok, bunch of annoyances, but all look like 1 point issues. |
| 21:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11913 @ 0.00060096 = 7.1592 BTC [+] {3} |
| 22:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00059411 = 17.9421 BTC [-] {4} |
| 22:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35700 @ 0.00060847 = 21.7224 BTC [+] {3} |
| 22:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00061367 = 8.0391 BTC [+] {5} |
| 22:32 |
asciilifeform |
meanwhile, |
| 22:33 |
asciilifeform |
al schwartz woke up |
| 22:33 |
asciilifeform |
fella checks his mail once a month.. |
| 22:42 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231228 << congrats mod6 ! |
| 22:42 |
assbot |
Logged on 08-08-2015 19:37:33; mod6: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes: rotor built successfully. |
| 22:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31300 @ 0.00059519 = 18.6294 BTC [-] {3} |
| 22:42 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231334 << this is still sop. nobody cancelled it any more than anyone cancelled gravity. |
| 22:42 |
assbot |
Logged on 08-08-2015 22:01:36; mircea_popescu: you took your life in your hands. if some guy with more men and a whip felt like it... you were meat. |
| 22:51 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.fastcodesign.com/3032911/kidnapping-death-pizza-how-dominos-lost-its-mascot << archaeological lulz |
| 22:51 |
assbot |
Death And Pizza: How Domino's Lost Its Mascot | Co.Design | business + design ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEnPUR ) |
| 22:58 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00059226 = 17.4124 BTC [-] {5} |
| 23:10 |
scoopbot_revived |
An Ivy League degree wasn't always a Louis Vuitton purse. http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/08/an-ivy-league-degree-wasnt-always-a-louis-vuitton-purse/ |
| 23:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00062007 = 4.6505 BTC [+] {5} |
| 23:12 |
pete_dushenski |
;;later tell mod6 http://dpaste.com/3YFS9YV.txt << test2 logs for ya |
| 23:12 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1KbfsND ) |
| 23:12 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 23:13 |
pete_dushenski |
^on debian 7 |
| 23:14 |
pete_dushenski |
looks like zlib problems |
| 23:14 |
pete_dushenski |
but i'm not a doctor. |
| 23:14 |
asciilifeform |
pete_dushenski: what the hell did you build, and on what |
| 23:15 |
asciilifeform |
1) therealbitcoin does not use zlib 2) therealbitcoin does not use dl* |
| 23:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00062007 = 10.9752 BTC [+] {2} |
| 23:15 |
pete_dushenski |
well that's interesting |
| 23:15 |
asciilifeform |
pete_dushenski: post your makefile plz |
| 23:15 |
asciilifeform |
and your buildscript |
| 23:16 |
pete_dushenski |
seriously all i did was install os and follow steps outlined in http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000140.html |
| 23:16 |
assbot |
[BTC-dev] UPDATE: v0.5.4-TEST2 Pre-patched Test Bundle : TestersNeeded! ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEslTm ) |
| 23:17 |
phf |
ag3nt_zer0: raw didn't pen principia, that's just a persistent misconception, in FACT it was revealed to trinque in its complete form by the divine mother HERSELF (hail eris!) during some of his particularly strong ACID trips (10 strip, they said it was weak, so he took 6, damn, man, i'm seeing things ain't even come up yet), at which point he traveled back in TIME to spread the good word to the honest people of california. this and much mo |
| 23:17 |
phf |
re was explained in grant morrison's INVISIBLES series. get your facts, straight son, straight from the source. fnord. |
| 23:18 |
asciilifeform |
pete_dushenski: i wrote rotor for a reason |
| 23:18 |
asciilifeform |
the reason being that this is a waste of life |
| 23:18 |
asciilifeform |
yes, i could sit down and debug this |
| 23:19 |
asciilifeform |
but seven other people will come and each one will bring seven idiocies from his local os |
| 23:19 |
asciilifeform |
and each of those will need seven workarounds to be forced with red hot irons to behave in FUCKING STANDARD WAY |
| 23:20 |
asciilifeform |
rotor differs in that it is enough for you to find ~one~ box where it can be made to go |
| 23:20 |
asciilifeform |
and use that binary for the rest of your life if you like. |
| 23:20 |
asciilifeform |
i STILL don't understand why just about everybody insists on building stator. |
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| 23:21 |
pete_dushenski |
asciilifeform: i know you wrote rotor for a reason, of this there is little doubt, but believe it or not, your instructions aren't dumbed down enough for me |
| 23:22 |
pete_dushenski |
they're not far off, mind |
| 23:22 |
asciilifeform |
pete_dushenski: if you're up to it, try building, i'll walk you through it while i'm awake |
| 23:23 |
pete_dushenski |
ok, lemme reinstall os and start fresh |
| 23:23 |
asciilifeform |
no need to reinstall os |
| 23:23 |
asciilifeform |
pick just about any linux box |
| 23:23 |
asciilifeform |
and go from there |
| 23:23 |
pete_dushenski |
oh ok |
| 23:23 |
asciilifeform |
if you can get a bash prompt, you oughta get a working build. |
| 23:24 |
asciilifeform |
start the recipe and prod me when you hit a stumble. |
| 23:24 |
pete_dushenski |
k |
| 23:28 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22150 @ 0.00062007 = 13.7346 BTC [+] {3} |
| 23:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00061517 = 5.9364 BTC [-] |
| 23:30 |
mod6 |
hi pete_dushenski |
| 23:31 |
mod6 |
Let me dig something up for you here quick. |
| 23:32 |
mod6 |
http://dpaste.com/3T9YGXC.txt |
| 23:32 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1KbgRDZ ) |
| 23:33 |
asciilifeform |
apt-get install -y libboost-python-dev |
| 23:33 |
asciilifeform |
apt-get install -y libbz2-dev |
| 23:33 |
asciilifeform |
apt-get install -y zlib1g-dev |
| 23:33 |
asciilifeform |
^ for fucks sake |
| 23:33 |
asciilifeform |
why? |
| 23:33 |
asciilifeform |
neither stator nor rotor needs these! |
| 23:33 |
asciilifeform |
HAVING THEM ON YOUR BOX IS USELESS AT BEST! |
| 23:34 |
mod6 |
Right, should be trying to bulid the Rotor, really. |
| 23:34 |
asciilifeform |
stator doesn't need them either ! |
| 23:34 |
asciilifeform |
if your stator did not build before but builds after running the above, IT IS NOT STATIC !!! |
| 23:35 |
mod6 |
However, I have seen that on Ubuntu & Debian if you build boost without libboost-python-dev boost will complain -- it will still compile, but it'll complain. it complains less with the python errors if it has that and the libbost-python-dev dependentcies installed. |
| 23:35 |
asciilifeform |
^ you are using CRUD FROM OUTSIDE THE STATIC BALL |
| 23:35 |
asciilifeform |
defeating the very purpose of stator. |
| 23:35 |
asciilifeform |
introducing local turdlets over which you have no meaningful control. |
| 23:36 |
mod6 |
er |
| 23:36 |
mod6 |
yeah. |
| 23:36 |
mod6 |
im mis remembering that from v0.5.3.1 |
| 23:36 |
asciilifeform |
why even bother then. |
| 23:36 |
mod6 |
pete_dushenski: don't bother with the testing for TEST2 (or anyone else), just work for now on building rotor. |
| 23:37 |
pete_dushenski |
okilee dokilee :) |
| 23:37 |
mod6 |
I appreciate you trying to build it. |
| 23:37 |
asciilifeform |
i also appreciated. how else would we have learned that i am the last one alive with a sane linux install, for instance. |
| 23:38 |
pete_dushenski |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MS56NLGqxU |
| 23:38 |
assbot |
Okily Dokily - Simpsons You Only Move Twice - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kbh9eb ) |
| 23:40 |
mod6 |
I can not wait until we get past all of this. |
| 23:41 |
pete_dushenski |
hehe i'm having fun ! |
| 23:41 |
pete_dushenski |
being a lab rat isn't world's worst job after all |
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| 23:42 |
pete_dushenski |
every day a new maze, then... cheese ! |
| 23:42 |
* |
asciilifeform still wonders what that 'cheese' thing would smell like |
| 23:43 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
phf: hahaha was that really in the INVISIBLES? |
| 23:43 |
pete_dushenski |
asciilifeform: napalm perhaps. |
| 23:43 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
shit about wilson and all that? |
| 23:43 |
mod6 |
asciilifeform: so, what my goal is, short term, is to produce a bundle that (similar to TEST2) is patched up through -verifyall that we can drop into the rotor, and use that for testing next. |
| 23:44 |
asciilifeform |
mod6: i think you already have this ? |
| 23:44 |
asciilifeform |
(rotor takes a stator) |
| 23:44 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
I never looked at that comic... I saw Morrison speak and thought he was weird haha |
| 23:44 |
mod6 |
yeah. but your bundle doesn't have the right directory structure, and doesn't really have a patching trail or anything. |
| 23:45 |
asciilifeform |
my rotor bundle doesn't come with a stator at all |
| 23:45 |
asciilifeform |
it has to be supplied by the operator |
| 23:45 |
mod6 |
so i don't wanna seem like im replicating work; just trying to clean it up a bit. |
| 23:45 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
i mean I get the whole thing he was on about but he was seemd stragley excited haha |
| 23:45 |
mod6 |
right |
| 23:45 |
mod6 |
it has to be downloaded seperately. thats fine. i did this today. |
| 23:46 |
mod6 |
was thinking that next I'll work on a patched bundle up through -verify all with rotor. and then work ourselves up to a place where we feel comfortable. |
| 23:46 |
pete_dushenski |
bbiab |
| 23:46 |
mod6 |
do you think we should even bother with block dump/eat, -verify all? |
| 23:47 |
asciilifeform |
mod6: i regard them as useful |
| 23:47 |
mod6 |
(in a "release") |
| 23:47 |
asciilifeform |
mod6: esp. for standing up nodes |
| 23:47 |
asciilifeform |
but also for debugging wedge states |
| 23:47 |
asciilifeform |
and generally. |
| 23:47 |
mod6 |
so it wouldnt be a waste of my time to proceed in that direction? |
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| 23:47 |
asciilifeform |
also it is possible to hash a blockchain using dumpblock |
| 23:47 |
asciilifeform |
(see ml for example of me doing so for a chain loaded from mircea_popescu) |
| 23:47 |
mod6 |
yup, i recall. |
| 23:47 |
asciilifeform |
not a waste by any means. |
| 23:48 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
phf: still lolzing haha thx fnord! fucking california haha |
| 23:48 |
asciilifeform |
i personally regard these as important knobs and their absence from the original bitcoin as an atrocity |
| 23:48 |
mod6 |
ok. that's my next basic goal. build a patched bundle up through verify-all with rotor. |
| 23:49 |
mod6 |
once we have that, and a new patch from trinque, i can complete my script and have a rotor that builds these test bundles with x86-64 |
| 23:49 |
mod6 |
make sense? |
| 23:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00060043 = 5.0736 BTC [-] |
| 23:49 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
| 23:49 |
mod6 |
:] |
| 23:50 |
mod6 |
was nice to see rotor build cleanly today btw. |
| 23:50 |
asciilifeform |
didja have to use trinque's patch ? |
| 23:50 |
mod6 |
yeah |
| 23:50 |
asciilifeform |
oughta be part of the official ball then |
| 23:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00060043 = 1.0207 BTC [-] |
| 23:51 |
mod6 |
was a gentoo/glibc environement -- compiled buildroot with the musl settings. didn't change anything to the "rotor" steps execept for adding the change to BDB configure options in trinque's message. |
| 23:52 |
mod6 |
yah, I left him a note to re-send a patch with a detached sig to the ML. can help or do it for him if required, etc. |
| 23:52 |
mod6 |
no giant rush tho. |
| 23:52 |
phf |
ag3nt_zer0: inivisibles is like a popcorn pulp version of pkd, illuminatus and magick. it's a fun read when you're 24, but definitely worth a read through if you're into that sort of stuff |
| 23:53 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
it's no secret that california shares a magickal connection based on the law of correspondences to the Hindu goddess of destruction and the final age of dissolution, Kali... nor is it coincidence that the sun sets on the western world in KaliforniCaitlynJender - Bernardino porno bender blender |
| 23:56 |
ag3nt_zer0 |
phf: i dunno; after he said he wrote his own reality and as he was writing the things he was writing were coming true I figured the comic couldnt be better than that... |