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00:00 decimation asciilifeform: heh the vacuum has a 'GE' logo
00:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50439 @ 0.0003136 = 15.8177 BTC [+] {2}
00:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82100 @ 0.0003142 = 25.7958 BTC [+] {3}
00:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57050 @ 0.00030833 = 17.5902 BTC [-] {2}
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01:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7121 @ 0.0003091 = 2.2011 BTC [+]
01:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21250 @ 0.00030785 = 6.5418 BTC [-]
01:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52900 @ 0.00030785 = 16.2853 BTC [-]
01:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51050 @ 0.00030999 = 15.825 BTC [+] {2}
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01:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49800 @ 0.00031452 = 15.6631 BTC [+] {2}
01:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34156 @ 0.00031482 = 10.753 BTC [+]
01:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 147962 @ 0.00030541 = 45.1891 BTC [-] {3}
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02:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00030185 = 4.1052 BTC [-]
02:34 fluffypony q
02:35 fluffypony that was supposed to be me closing my IRC client
02:35 * fluffypony needs more coffee
02:35 * fluffypony is afk
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03:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52100 @ 0.00030185 = 15.7264 BTC [-]
03:14 BingoBoingo !up TheAdversary
03:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64050 @ 0.00030158 = 19.3162 BTC [-] {3}
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03:50 BingoBoingo Watchmen (2009) has a beautiful black Mac SE/30
03:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40100 @ 0.0003035 = 12.1704 BTC [+]
04:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.0003035 = 4.4008 BTC [+]
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04:23 scoopbot_revived An inconsiderable speck. http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/28/an-inconsiderable-speck/
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04:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26450 @ 0.00030345 = 8.0263 BTC [-]
04:48 davout mod6: nice work on the metrics gathering!
04:49 davout did you measure the total consumed BW for each sync?
04:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform o hey, nice.
04:53 BingoBoingo davout: How much of what kind of CPU is monero taking as it syncs?
04:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18338 @ 0.0003035 = 5.5656 BTC [+]
04:56 davout BingoBoingo: doesn't seem to use up a lot
04:57 davout I have ~16% CPU, 32% MEM
04:57 davout the box has 4gb ram
04:57 BingoBoingo davout: And it still takes so long to sync days?
04:58 davout I'm 158 days behind still
04:58 mircea_popescu sounds more like a weak network than anything
05:02 BingoBoingo If monero's still around in a year might be interested.
05:03 BingoBoingo That would still be like getting into Bitcoin in 2011-ish
05:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00031482 = 2.8649 BTC [+]
05:21 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2015#1146642 << at least it stopped checking out the teenaged prices.
05:21 assbot Logged on 28-05-2015 01:51:58; BingoBoingo: MPOE seems like It's been awfully stable at the 3 mark lately
05:21 BingoBoingo yeah
05:24 BingoBoingo This is probably either one of the best or the worst times to move into s.mpoe
05:24 * BingoBoingo rather... marinated... discovered #fatpeoplehate is a channel on freenode
05:26 BingoBoingo so cathartic
05:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52200 @ 0.00030543 = 15.9434 BTC [-]
05:27 BingoBoingo probably appeal less to #b-a members not in the god damned middle west
05:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61750 @ 0.00031483 = 19.4408 BTC [+] {2}
05:29 mircea_popescu it is /!
05:29 mircea_popescu ?!
05:31 BingoBoingo It really is. Apparently they organize around a reddit, butwho knows how long that part will last given reddit's censorship.
05:35 mircea_popescu heh
05:37 BingoBoingo Mebbe they move to 8chan for moar ad impressions?
05:40 BingoBoingo !up diana_coman
05:40 cazalla gee that was one awful hangover
05:41 * BingoBoingo not even done drinking and next hangover is beginning
05:41 cazalla imma go to AA or something lol
05:43 BingoBoingo But who will help keep the #b-a glass full?
05:44 cazalla "If you answered “yes” to more than 8 questions, you may have a serious level of alcohol-related problems requiring immediate attention and possible treatment."
05:44 * cazalla scores 22, what's this 8 business?
05:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.00030543 = 8.3688 BTC [-]
05:47 cazalla BingoBoingo, full? it's been spilling over for months if not years
05:48 BingoBoingo cazalla: We got to carry it inshifts like and olympic torch
05:48 BingoBoingo !s olympic
05:48 assbot 39 results for 'olympic' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=olympic
05:51 cazalla i don't really want to be a gold medal winner at drinking
05:51 BingoBoingo I kinda still do
05:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121881 @ 0.00031851 = 38.8203 BTC [+] {2}
05:52 cazalla the shit is too expensive anyway
05:53 BingoBoingo http://8ch.net/btc/res/331.html#340 lol
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06:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00031868 = 8.5088 BTC [+]
06:21 mircea_popescu lol jay
06:22 BingoBoingo Don't forget silent bob, he kinda filmed it
06:23 BingoBoingo I also kinda like/might have wrote http://8ch.net/btc/res/332.html#q341
06:24 cazalla don't link my drunken shit posting :P
06:24 BingoBoingo cazalla: I dun know how you imageboard post. You aussies are all alike.
06:24 BingoBoingo On that medium
06:24 cazalla dats raysis
06:25 BingoBoingo Not as racis as dem abbos
06:26 BingoBoingo Linked from fatpeoplehate IRC https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/xo41d/doctorsnursesredditors_what_has_been_your_most/c5o66p2
06:28 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2015#1146705 << ahaha win.
06:28 assbot Logged on 28-05-2015 03:26:41; *: asciilifeform spotted a gurl from transylvania today; she worked in a restaurant; queried based on accent, familiar from hanging out with mircea_popescu
06:28 mircea_popescu so where was she from ?
06:29 * BingoBoingo guesses Cluj
06:31 BingoBoingo Nice one whoever http://8ch.net/btc/res/322.html#q343
06:34 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2015#1146729 << heh nu zayet... moderately popular in ro of the 90s.
06:34 assbot Logged on 28-05-2015 03:50:21; asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt0BJ0QE-9Y << mega-relevant
06:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48750 @ 0.00031567 = 15.3889 BTC [-] {2}
06:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42943 @ 0.00031836 = 13.6713 BTC [+] {2}
06:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49257 @ 0.00031882 = 15.7041 BTC [+]
06:56 BingoBoingo !up PinkPosixPXE
06:56 BingoBoingo !up chatquack
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07:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26950 @ 0.00031086 = 8.3777 BTC [-] {2}
07:23 BingoBoingo !up gabriel_laddel
07:24 gabriel_laddel trinque: send you an email with the solution
07:31 gabriel_laddel s/send/sent
07:34 BingoBoingo lol http://wptavern.com/wordpress-theme-review-team-is-cracking-down-on-violations-of-the-presentation-vs-functionality-guideline
07:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59200 @ 0.0003147 = 18.6302 BTC [+] {2}
07:38 gabriel_laddel ;; later tell nubbins` where all did you live in Korea?
07:38 gribble The operation succeeded.
07:39 BingoBoingo lol http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2015/05/fifa_arrests_sepp_blatter_s_organization_might_actually_go_down_thanks_to.html
07:40 BingoBoingo gabriel_laddel: Isn't nubbsy in twodogs land?
07:40 gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: I've nfi what twodogs land is and idk
07:40 BingoBoingo !s twodogsland
07:40 assbot 0 results for 'twodogsland' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=twodogsland
07:40 BingoBoingo !s twodogs land
07:40 assbot 0 results for 'twodogs land' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=twodogs+land
07:40 BingoBoingo !s two dogs land
07:40 assbot 0 results for 'two dogs land' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=two+dogs+land
07:40 BingoBoingo huh
07:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56900 @ 0.00030878 = 17.5696 BTC [-]
07:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42300 @ 0.0003066 = 12.9692 BTC [-] {2}
07:54 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo basically, these dudes allowed the us into soccer in the 80s, now the us doesn't want them to be the bosses anymore.
07:54 BingoBoingo pretty much
07:54 mircea_popescu pretty cheeky.
07:55 mircea_popescu in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdd3hurG6I1ri9dzjo1_500.gif
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07:56 BingoBoingo Kinda what US just doing what it does
07:56 mircea_popescu fifa should probably just convict "us prosecutors" for fraud etc.
07:57 BingoBoingo Basketball and Hockey were US tamed pretty readily, but the last couple years European teams started doing a bunch of exhibition games in the US and selling out so Nike and Gatorade had to call their congressmen
07:57 mircea_popescu lol
07:57 BingoBoingo Because OMG Serbia Vs. Croatia sold 45,000 tickets in a third tier midwestern city for and exhibition game
07:59 mircea_popescu that said, a bunch of these twerps were pretty rotten. jack warner being a fine example
07:59 mircea_popescu of course he got kicked out years ago, but whatevs.
07:59 gabriel_laddel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji6aYOJJHhY << re: stoya (MP's latest news)
08:00 gabriel_laddel re:ass-pussy (buggery) http://cdn.ftvgirls.com/images/super/update/large/065.jpg
08:01 gabriel_laddel also, http://cdn.ftvgirls.com/images/super/update/large/183.jpg
08:02 gabriel_laddel !s epic mega-series
08:02 assbot 1 results for 'epic mega-series' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=epic+mega-series
08:02 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: To be fair in illustrating the US's humiliation over the soccer situation the US's most bezzel'd league had teams selling tickets under five dollars to not fill stadiums in some the same cities soccer was selling out.
08:02 BingoBoingo They are embarassed
08:04 BingoBoingo They also don't so anything in the way of running a minor league either, but...
08:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72300 @ 0.00030537 = 22.0783 BTC [-] {2}
08:08 BingoBoingo The hockey situation in the US/Canada isn't much better. A number of great players drafted by NHL teams are staying in the KHL
08:09 BingoBoingo ;;google vladimir sbotka
08:09 gribble Vladimír Sobotka - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladim%C3%ADr_Sobotka>; Vladimir Sobotka - St Louis Blues - NHL.com: <http://blues.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8471743>; Vladimir Sobotka, Blues - Stats - NHL.com - Players: <http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8471743>
08:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28657 @ 0.00031416 = 9.0029 BTC [+] {2}
08:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40726 @ 0.0003194 = 13.0079 BTC [+] {2}
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09:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21352 @ 0.00031981 = 6.8286 BTC [+]
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09:30 gabriel_laddel hola pete_dushenski
09:30 gabriel_laddel !up pete_dushenski
09:31 pete_dushenski hola gabe !
09:31 gabriel_laddel so what jurisdiction are you visiting today?
09:31 pete_dushenski bern today.
09:32 pete_dushenski and the sun is *finally* shining !
09:32 pete_dushenski 22C and crystal clear blue skies
09:32 pete_dushenski spring is definitely in the air in switzerland
09:32 gabriel_laddel sorry, bern?
09:32 gabriel_laddel ah
09:32 gabriel_laddel ohhoho
09:33 pete_dushenski my goodness can these people garden
09:33 gabriel_laddel that sounds lovely
09:33 pete_dushenski it is :)
09:33 pete_dushenski sort of a quieter, smaller scale japan full of big-eyed folks
09:34 gabriel_laddel pete_dushenski: you've been to JP?
09:34 pete_dushenski ayup.
09:34 pete_dushenski tokyo, osaka, nagasaki
09:35 pete_dushenski spent a few days in each
09:37 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-05-2015#1144993 << heh.
09:37 assbot Logged on 26-05-2015 00:50:22; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski the funniest part about the medieval japanese cuts is that at the time, bare cunt was the standard there and nowhere else. meanwhile, they have to pixelate it today, lest it jumps out and eats their head or something.
09:38 * pete_dushenski imagine a japanimation lockness bursting forth from between girl's legs
09:39 gabriel_laddel Oh that would make a lovely hentai. Breaking the 4th wall pixellation of privates.
09:40 pete_dushenski one wonders what it'll take to break the pixelation wall
09:41 pete_dushenski fukushima... wasn't enough.
09:41 pete_dushenski i can see the idiots giving up on their idiocy after a good chinese butt pumping.
09:42 gabriel_laddel JP is weird. I don't know that they're censoring it because they find it "offensive"
09:42 gabriel_laddel did you see the signs telling schoolchildren to "beware the chikan"?
09:43 gabriel_laddel BAD (#bitcoin-assets distro) update #3. Install works (writing this from a machine formatted in the past 24hrs) and is a massive PITA. Next TODO on my list is to radically simplify (automate) the install. I've updated install doc if anyone is interested: gabriel-laddel.github.io/system.html
09:43 gabriel_laddel mod6: ^ is based on funtoo, a variant of gentoo.
09:44 gabriel_laddel mod6: Idk what exactly your goals are on your gentoo quest, but have you reached the conclusion that portage is insane and must go?
09:44 pete_dushenski http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/24945225.jpg << this 'chikan' ?
09:45 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2015#1146846 << my first impression was that the instrument is a very long... spoon
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09:45 assbot Logged on 28-05-2015 11:55:42; mircea_popescu: in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdd3hurG6I1ri9dzjo1_500.gif
09:45 gabriel_laddel ^ I can't read Japanese, but that looks correct from what I've read of the phenomenon.
09:45 pete_dushenski asciilifeform clearly a horsewhip
09:47 pete_dushenski gabriel_laddel it looks effective to me. at least as much as any fuzzy rat puppet (in canada) telling kids not to trust strangers
09:48 gabriel_laddel pete_dushenski: ah, but the weird bit is that this is (according to asa akira) the *most common* offense in JP, and happens to a huge percentage of the population.
09:49 gabriel_laddel So, they put up signs warning schoolgirls about being molested on the packed trains, but never put any effort into... putting personal space on the trains or the like.
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09:50 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: they did proclaim female-only train cars iirc
09:50 pete_dushenski gabriel_laddel how does one insert personal space onto an small mountainous island ?
09:51 pete_dushenski this is like trying to build a concrete foundation under a mountain
09:51 gabriel_laddel pete_dushenski: how I would go about it - pastebin.com/AdTXnKT6
09:51 pete_dushenski under *the whole thing*
09:53 pete_dushenski gabriel_laddel this is the spec/manifesto for BAD ?
09:53 gabriel_laddel pete_dushenski: nah, it was a message to someone on #lisp
09:53 gabriel_laddel also, I tried getting someone doing housing in SF excited about it
09:53 pete_dushenski good god man get yourself a blog already.
09:53 pete_dushenski what is this, 1960 ?
09:54 gabriel_laddel (he raised something like 30MM - is doing traditional housing)
09:54 gabriel_laddel fucking moron
09:54 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: cars (at least of the petrol variety) underground is a ventilation nightmare. use trains, like sane people
09:55 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: noted.
09:55 pete_dushenski gabriel_laddel what 'it' were you getting mr. sf-house-builder excited about ?
09:55 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: i will also note that i tried the opengl thing, and barfed
09:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49557 @ 0.00031132 = 15.4281 BTC [-] {2}
09:55 * pete_dushenski is using trains to bounce around la suisse.
09:55 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: right?
09:56 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: it doesn't map to henderson-style 'functional graphics' at all
09:56 gabriel_laddel OpenGL needs to be taken out back and shot, along with its creators
09:56 gabriel_laddel pete_dushenski: modular, robotically assembled human habitation
09:57 * asciilifeform bbl
09:57 pete_dushenski gabriel_laddel ah ok.
09:57 gabriel_laddel pete_dushenski: how do the trains compare to your merc?
09:58 pete_dushenski lol the scenery out the window is prettier. also, tracks are a hell of a lot smoother than shitty alberta roads.
09:58 pete_dushenski swiss tracks in particular.
10:00 pete_dushenski the train system here is fantastic : frequent scheduling, short trips, stations are conveniently located.
10:00 pete_dushenski it helps that everything is tightly packed together.
10:00 pete_dushenski a 45 min or even 2 hour trip doesn't eat your day up
10:00 pete_dushenski the 6-9 hour train i took across spain and portugal a few years ago most certainly did.
10:01 gabriel_laddel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women-only_passenger_car#Japan << lol
10:02 gabriel_laddel !up pete_dushenski
10:02 gabriel_laddel debuggering
10:02 gabriel_laddel !up pete_dushenski
10:02 pete_dushenski aha 'chikan' means groping
10:02 * pete_dushenski shakes fist at slow-ass-assbot.
10:04 gabriel_laddel pete_dushenski: are you traveling the world, or do you take up residency in these countries from time to time?
10:06 pete_dushenski i just travel for a few weeks here and a few more weeks there.
10:06 pete_dushenski it's a hobby more than anything.
10:06 pete_dushenski homebase is still in canada.
10:08 pete_dushenski traveling keeps me sane and clear-headed. edmonton is pretty dull but that's where my roots are.
10:08 pete_dushenski i'd leave at the drop of a hat if push came to shove, but it hasn't yet.
10:09 gabriel_laddel https://www.linkedin.com/in/richling << Impressive resume. Mitch also has a collection of CL mathematics hacks, mjrcalc.
10:12 gabriel_laddel pete_dushenski: ever been to China or Korea?
10:13 pete_dushenski mhm. i've been to pusan (where i have a cousin), beijing, shanghai, and hong kong.
10:14 pete_dushenski ftr my cousin isn't korean, his wife... is.
10:14 pete_dushenski gabriel_laddel just curious ? have you been to kr and cn as well ?
10:15 gabriel_laddel pete_dushenski: Nope. Consider this a request for a blog post on your travels in these two regions.
10:16 pete_dushenski i'll take your request into consideration :)
10:17 gabriel_laddel !up pete_dushenski
10:17 * gabriel_laddel is going for a walk
10:17 pete_dushenski cheers !
10:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61100 @ 0.0003058 = 18.6844 BTC [-] {2}
10:28 pete_dushenski "In a fifth floor office just off Zurich's main shopping street, researchers at UBS (UBSG.VX) are testing dozens of technologies to see what could make the world's biggest wealth manager more appealing as fortunes pass to the next generation."
10:28 pete_dushenski ""How do you get under the skin of clients today, because they often work on their mobiles and they manage their wealth in their spare time," said Dave Bruno, head of UBS's innovation lab. "It might be in the bathroom, it might be waiting for a flight.""
10:28 pete_dushenski "Bruno and his team are designing video games, including a prototype puzzle for iPads and smartphones, and looking at virtual reality simulations to help people visualise what are often complex investment portfolios."
10:28 pete_dushenski "They are also working on technologies that allow clients to log into their accounts using their voice patterns and facial features, doing away with the time consuming and frustrating need to answer security questions."
10:29 pete_dushenski the future of this country... looks awful.
10:29 pete_dushenski thankfully, there are plenty of relics and pieces of art to pick from once they shoot themselves in the head 9 more times.
10:30 pete_dushenski also, it's worth mentioning that for anyone into 100+ year-old deadtree books, switzerland is where it's at
10:32 pete_dushenski i've never seen so many beautifully preserved copies of literature, philosophy, history, biology, you name it. in german, french, latin, english too
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10:32 pete_dushenski i saw one such bookstore in manhattan a couple years back, complete with $30,000 copy of le petite prince, but that was just one shop.
10:33 pete_dushenski there are a handful of such stores in pretty much every town here !
10:33 pete_dushenski it's pretty heavenly, i have to admit.
10:42 gabriel_laddel copypaste: re: your ddos / anon problems, have you read about wotnet in the logs? \
10:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00030502 = 3.6602 BTC [-]
10:45 pete_dushenski "Avago, a maker of chips for the wireless and industrial markets, is offering Broadcom shareholders $17 billion in cash and Avago shares valued at $20 billion in one of the biggest deals ever in the chip industry." << i have to admit that i'd never heard of 'avago' before.
10:46 pete_dushenski though apparently they recently purchase 'emulex' as well
10:46 pete_dushenski !s avago
10:46 assbot 0 results for 'avago' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=avago
10:52 gabriel_laddel !up pete_dushenski
10:52 pete_dushenski "Broadcom is known as a fabless company. It outsources all semiconductor manufacturing to Asian merchant foundries, such as GlobalFoundries, Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation, Silterra, TSMC, and United Microelectronics Corporation." << ahaha. so what the fuck did $37 bn even buy ?
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10:53 mod6 <+gabriel_laddel> mod6: Idk what exactly your goals are on your gentoo quest, but have you reached the conclusion that portage is insane and must go? << this project had to take a pause; I need to get some cash together to buy a physical box to put together steps for configuration on real hardware as opposed to aws or other cloud infrastructure. no, for now, I'm trying to stick with a Gentoo-amd64-uclibc-hardened. That's the goal anyway.
10:53 mod6 I should be able to get a box for this sometime after the 1st.
10:54 gabriel_laddel mod6: what is your ultimate goal with the gentoo quest?
10:54 mod6 it's in the logs.
10:58 gabriel_laddel !up TheAdversary
11:09 mike_c http://i.imgur.com/XSCaapg.png
11:10 mike_c we gotta get more chinese in here.
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11:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134588 @ 0.00030168 = 40.6025 BTC [-] {4}
11:36 mod6 gabriel_laddel: also, it'll get discussed in the Monthly Address.
11:36 mod6 so, stay tuned :]
11:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00030137 = 5.7712 BTC [-]
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12:11 mod6 incase anyone missed this: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000093.html
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12:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00030411 = 5.4132 BTC [+]
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12:29 ben_vulpes (it's a boy)
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12:33 mike_c ben_vulpes: your baby arrived?
12:34 ben_vulpes naw, just the sonogram
12:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00030411 = 5.8389 BTC [+]
12:34 mike_c ah. correct # of fingers and toes?
12:34 ben_vulpes looked like
12:34 ben_vulpes many measurements
12:34 mike_c congrats!
12:35 ben_vulpes then the machine ran out of paper and there were many windows error modals
12:35 mike_c hehe
12:35 mod6 ben_vulpes: congrats!!
12:36 ben_vulpes ty mod6
12:38 mod6 yw. glad to hear the good news.
12:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81536 @ 0.00030778 = 25.0952 BTC [+] {2}
12:39 ben_vulpes probly best to reserve congratulations for when it survives that first night on the porch
12:45 mike_c everybody's bringing their newborns to c4, right?
12:49 jurov http://pastebin.com/AdTXnKT6 that's some elaborate shannonizer?
13:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3369 @ 0.000315 = 1.0612 BTC [+]
13:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42200 @ 0.000315 = 13.293 BTC [+]
13:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.0003162 = 1.6442 BTC [+]
13:25 jurov ben_vulpes: congrats! hope it'll be mangy after the daddy!
13:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137727 @ 0.0003094 = 42.6127 BTC [-] {4}
13:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57698 @ 0.00029985 = 17.3007 BTC [-] {3}
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13:48 mircea_popescu mike_c omaigerd...
13:50 mircea_popescu heh yeah. stoya is probably the defining woman of the 2000s.
13:51 mircea_popescu shoulda been jolie's crown. but libertardism can ruin anything.
13:52 felipelalli Finally in English: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/37maml/the_fabulous_bitcoin_island/ - thank you danielpbarron for the help.
13:56 mircea_popescu jurov in any case he means consumed not "consummate"
13:57 mircea_popescu consummation is what happens to virgin brides.
13:58 mircea_popescu so now the choice is between system-d and system.html ?
13:59 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2015#1146904 << it's a crop.
13:59 assbot Logged on 28-05-2015 13:45:46; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2015#1146846 << my first impression was that the instrument is a very long... spoon
14:00 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2015#1146910 << i think the idea is that the warning enhances the experience.
14:00 assbot Logged on 28-05-2015 13:49:33; gabriel_laddel: So, they put up signs warning schoolgirls about being molested on the packed trains, but never put any effort into... putting personal space on the trains or the like.
14:02 mircea_popescu for the record, egypt had women only cars in the subway
14:02 mircea_popescu i know because i got into one.
14:03 chetty but you cant do that in the west, it wouldnt be fair to have women only stuffs
14:04 mircea_popescu chetty oh remember how giggly they were when we ended up in the wrong car ? lol
14:04 chetty hahahahaha
14:05 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2015#1146972 << most of the old jewish haunt, from berlin to moscow, is a huge pile of old books looking for new onwners
14:05 assbot Logged on 28-05-2015 14:32:02; pete_dushenski: i've never seen so many beautifully preserved copies of literature, philosophy, history, biology, you name it. in german, french, latin, english too
14:06 * mircea_popescu personally doesn't care about books anymore, but can readily see the collector's mindset.
14:08 mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/XSCaapg.png << heh best cycles ever. we're getting back to the baseline, which was 1820
14:09 chetty I still like the feel of an actual book, but the worlds libraries on your lap is hard to beat
14:09 mike_c except for europe. i don't think they're going to turn it around
14:09 mircea_popescu i think they are probably going to be 20-30% forever.
14:09 mircea_popescu the last major invention in the world (the cellphone) is yurpean.
14:09 mircea_popescu the last time the us invented something, hitler wasn't born yet.
14:10 mike_c the nsa invented bitcoin
14:10 mircea_popescu oh right, i forgot.
14:10 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2015#1147000 << congrats! even thousdand too look at that.
14:10 assbot Logged on 28-05-2015 16:29:59; ben_vulpes: (it's a boy)
14:11 felipelalli ben_vulpes: congrats man! :)
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14:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31150 @ 0.00030821 = 9.6007 BTC [+] {2}
14:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00029906 = 7.8952 BTC [-] {2}
15:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7368 @ 0.00030144 = 2.221 BTC [+]
15:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56611 @ 0.00030144 = 17.0648 BTC [+]
15:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00030201 = 3.156 BTC [+]
15:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49800 @ 0.00030732 = 15.3045 BTC [+]
15:29 mircea_popescu mod6 o hey check it out, early report
15:30 asciilifeform mircea_popescu et al: is anyone interested in seeing the (elementary) 4294967297 proof as a proper article ?
15:30 asciilifeform or is it obvious to everyone by now
15:30 mircea_popescu documenting things is always a good idea.
15:30 mircea_popescu so go right ahead
15:31 asciilifeform well yes, but is there any part of it that isn't obvious
15:31 mircea_popescu no.
15:40 williamdunne Mm should be in Bucharest in a couple of weeks..
15:45 asciilifeform mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, mod6, et al: has anyone considered the effect of not storing 'orphan transactions' ?
15:46 mod6 I can't remember if we discussed that or not, outside of the context of your OrphanageBurner
15:46 asciilifeform not related
15:46 asciilifeform or rather, not directly
15:47 asciilifeform our 0.5.3.x has MAX_ORPHAN_TRANSACTIONS but the boojum is that a malicious (or 'cosmic rayed') node can transmit orphan transaction of any size, iirc
15:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43000 @ 0.0003016 = 12.9688 BTC [-] {3}
15:48 asciilifeform 1) and thus, valgrind will not see this as a leak, because the memory is theoretically reclaimable
15:48 mod6 ah!
15:48 asciilifeform 2) tiny turds, stored and then reclaimed, lead to fragging
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16:02 ben_vulpes interdasting
16:02 asciilifeform about to try this.
16:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48949 @ 0.00030149 = 14.7576 BTC [-]
16:03 ben_vulpes intentionally filling a 0.5.3.x with orphans?
16:03 asciilifeform no, the opposite
16:04 ben_vulpes *.x << contains thermonuke?
16:04 asciilifeform naturally, with thermonuke also
16:04 ben_vulpes <asciilifeform> about to try this. << still failing to parse
16:04 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: it will make sense once you read the patch.
16:13 asciilifeform ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000094.html
16:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10865 @ 0.00030149 = 3.2757 BTC [-]
16:16 asciilifeform gentlemen, start your engines.
16:16 asciilifeform mine is at 87132 and counting.
16:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17919 @ 0.00030149 = 5.4024 BTC [-]
16:18 * asciilifeform takes off 'madman muntz' napoleon bicorn
16:21 asciilifeform ;;later tell mod6 please consider this patch for your test rig
16:21 gribble The operation succeeded.
16:22 * asciilifeform is stuck wondering why nobody tried this
16:23 asciilifeform https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/CVE-2012-3789 << the power ranger version
16:27 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu this patch sorta sits right down and has lunch right on top of your 'clean air filter' third rail discussed in c3. but this gordian knot -will- have to be cut one way or another.
16:27 gribble The operation succeeded.
16:31 ben_vulpes why not just rewrite the memory allocation engine at this point, asciilifeform
16:33 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: because the simplest way to get more space, so to speak, in one's house, is to -stop- bringing in and keeping driftwood, dead animals, neighbour's garbage
16:33 asciilifeform rather than building bigger house
16:33 asciilifeform or hiring a housekeeper
16:33 asciilifeform and ought to be tried first.
16:34 asciilifeform !s hoarders buried alive
16:34 assbot 0 results for 'hoarders buried alive' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hoarders+buried+alive
16:34 asciilifeform ;;google hoarders buried alive
16:34 gribble Hoarding: Buried Alive | TLC: <http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/hoarding-buried-alive/>; Hoarding Moments Season 1 | Hoarding: Buried Alive | TLC: <http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/hoarding-buried-alive/videos/videos/>; Hoarding: Buried Alive - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoarding:_Buried_Alive>
16:34 asciilifeform ^ see also.
16:37 asciilifeform 133060 & counting.
16:37 asciilifeform ~69M.
16:40 mod6 <+asciilifeform> ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000094.html << wow! nice. will review & start up a test on this later tonight. many thanks. :]
16:41 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: more seriously, the only kind of allocator that is a sure pill against fragging is a compacting one. which means -relocating- !! just picture this in a cpp proggy not originally designed for it
16:41 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: sorta like the proverbial 'jet engine on a ford pinto' situation.
16:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39800 @ 0.00029847 = 11.8791 BTC [-] {2}
16:45 ben_vulpes 'twasn't serious.
16:49 mike_c slab allocation would prevent fragging too
16:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37563 @ 0.0003162 = 11.8774 BTC [+]
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17:04 danielpbarron !up antonosika_
17:05 asciilifeform mike_c: slab only really works when we have a small number of known sizes of object
17:06 mike_c like orphan blocks, no?
17:06 asciilifeform mike_c: we no longer have orphan (bastard) blocks..
17:06 asciilifeform (or at least i don't)
17:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42600 @ 0.00029844 = 12.7135 BTC [-] {2}
17:07 asciilifeform ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: incidentally, now that we have a bounded memory footprint, it may be time to try running pogo with swap space again
17:07 asciilifeform danielpbarron ^
17:07 asciilifeform danielpbarron: iirc you had something set up for this ^ ?
17:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56020 @ 0.00031694 = 17.755 BTC [+] {2}
17:14 danielpbarron yes my pogo uses 2 gigs of swap
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17:37 asciilifeform ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: incidentally, even though 'transaction orphanage amputator' may not be a magical pill against oom-on-pogo (my preliminary investigation suggests that it is -not-) it still rips out the idiotic ddos vector that every unbounded cache of anything whatsoever is.
17:38 asciilifeform and yes, even with the count-bound, the in-practice bound on the tx orphanage bytewise is ridiculous - 5GB ?
17:38 asciilifeform 'hoarders' belong in lunatic asylums.
17:40 asciilifeform imagine having a special door in your house through which perfect strangers are invited to dump in up to five thousand tonnes of gravel.
17:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00030959 = 10.0926 BTC [-] {2}
17:41 asciilifeform and in the case of 'pogo', the door is not in your house, but in... your car.
17:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00030099 = 7.615 BTC [-] {2}
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18:12 cazalla so it occurs to me that a #b-a version of archive.today might be useful, really nothing stopping whomever going back to edit archives whereas with our own, we could sign the archives we make
18:15 scoopbot_revived DoJ Charges Dark Market Coupon Merchant http://qntra.net/2015/05/doj-charges-dark-market-coupon-merchant/
18:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43400 @ 0.00029788 = 12.928 BTC [-] {3}
18:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00030254 = 5.5667 BTC [+]
18:21 hanbot cazalla, you can alter what you sign. you mean deedbot?
18:26 cazalla hanbot, well of course someone can alter what they submit but they risk their rep in doing so if found out
18:27 hanbot just like if unsigned then? :D
18:27 cazalla i'm sure there is a better way to do it but relying on archive.today probably isn't that great an idea but not sure what else to do (for example, all the bitcoin auction stuff has been completely removed from the US Marshall's website)
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18:28 hanbot ahaha. mp was calling them scammers a month ago, everyone was like "orly, mp is so crazu". turns out...
18:28 hanbot anyway, archive.today the deedbot page consisting of a dump of the page source of an archive.today page? haha!
18:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106915 @ 0.00032148 = 34.371 BTC [+] {5}
18:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14250 @ 0.00032262 = 4.5973 BTC [+]
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19:08 asciilifeform 184650, ~166M
19:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16878 @ 0.00030939 = 5.2219 BTC [-]
19:23 asciilifeform re: memory hunger: anyone investigated effect of https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E17076_04/html/api_reference/CXX/envset_memory_max.html ?
19:24 asciilifeform ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: ^^
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20:00 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: noooo
20:00 ben_vulpes have not, no.
20:01 ben_vulpes <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: sorta like the proverbial 'jet engine on a ford pinto' situation. << obligatory: http://www.ronpatrickstuff.com/
20:05 ben_vulpes "*** Update 7/18/06 *** You have to give the California Department of Motor Vehicles (the DMV) credit for creativity on this one. A DMV insider has disclosed to me that the DMV has made a formal request to a federal agency to rule if my Beetle constitutes a threat to national security based on what could happen if it got into the wrong hands."" << hah news to me since the last time i looked at the
20:05 ben_vulpes thing
20:11 BingoBoingo It's copper theft season again http://www.bnd.com/news/local/crime/article22358088.html
20:14 cazalla half figured that was going to be an electrocution
20:14 asciilifeform aaaaaand now for something completely different...
20:14 asciilifeform achtung, panzers!
20:14 cazalla common for people to get toasty'd on our rail way lines here trying to get at the copper
20:14 asciilifeform ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al:
20:14 asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000095.html
20:15 asciilifeform (EXPERIMENTAL) IgProf Hooks Apparatus !
20:16 asciilifeform mod6: you can use this to create a blockheight vs heap plot
20:17 asciilifeform just call getinfo along with profileheapdump
20:18 mod6 oh, darn. ok im compiling right now with : bitcoin-v0_5_3_1-RELEASE + { OrphanageBurner } + { TX Orphanage Amputation }
20:18 mod6 think I should stop and compile that in as well?
20:18 asciilifeform no hurry
20:18 mod6 well, was going to launch this for a full sync test.
20:18 mod6 nice tho!!
20:19 asciilifeform (goes without saying that you need igprof on your box for this to work)
20:19 * ben_vulpes dreams of a box beefy enough to run sync tests for every patch submitted
20:19 mod6 i've never used it. im guessing i can just compile/install via 3rd party package?
20:19 asciilifeform mod6: aha
20:19 mod6 ok.
20:19 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: your hardware is not the limiting reactant here
20:20 asciilifeform (the network is)
20:20 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: some several tb of disk would be nice
20:21 ben_vulpes anyways, that's a nifty muntzing in the first one
20:21 asciilifeform 2nd one is some dark magic, only serious sappers need apply
20:21 mod6 do you reccommend "Scientific Linux 5" or "Scientific Linux 6"?
20:22 asciilifeform mod6: i have never seen, smelled, touched - either.
20:22 ben_vulpes selinux? when what hum how?
20:22 mod6 oh, just looking for a version of IgProf to grab... maybe im looking at the wrong thing.
20:22 asciilifeform http://igprof.org
20:23 mod6 yeah, thats where i am, i just wasnt on the DL page, nm.
20:29 asciilifeform btw, after dumping a heap profile snapshot,
20:29 asciilifeform igprof-analyse -d -v -g -r MEM_TOTAL heap1 > heap1.txt
20:29 asciilifeform and so forth
20:29 asciilifeform gives the plain text output
20:30 asciilifeform (just like many other profilers, this one craps out somewhat terse encoded transcript by default)
20:31 asciilifeform this gives MEM_TOTAL (how much churned)
20:31 asciilifeform other options (e.g., MEM_LIVE) described in manual.
20:32 mod6 ok i'll come back to that, it's like a whole process to build that thing.
20:32 asciilifeform http://igprof.org/analysis.html
20:33 asciilifeform 'MEM_LIVE records the “live” memory – memory that hasn’t been freed. If the profile statistics file you are processing came from the end of the application’s run, this will be the memory leaked by the job. If the profile statistics file was triggered during the running of the job, it is a snapshot of the heap, i.e. a heap profile. The statistic is accurate (not statistical) and records the number of bytes allocated a
20:33 asciilifeform nd the number of calls involved.'
20:34 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pub/blockheight-115500_igprof_mem_live.txt
20:35 asciilifeform ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: ^^^^ sample output
20:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44000 @ 0.00030928 = 13.6083 BTC [-] {3}
20:38 asciilifeform ^ both orphanage-destroyers applied for this example run
20:40 * mod6 looks
20:40 mod6 oh wow, nice.
20:40 asciilifeform aha.
20:40 asciilifeform and you can get these -during runtime- now
20:40 asciilifeform instead of waiting for the thing to die, as in valgrind.
20:41 mod6 :]
20:41 mod6 very cool
20:42 asciilifeform also the thing appears to have better coverage of dynamic libs
20:43 asciilifeform (if you have libs with debug symbols, will display line #s therein as well)
20:44 asciilifeform iirc there might be some fancy html-output mode also. but - have not tried this yet.
20:47 mod6 good deal.
20:47 mod6 i'll work on building this tool here this weekend.
20:48 mod6 well, maybe after this sync is done with these 2 patches anyway. gotta still write this SoBA yet.
20:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24969 @ 0.00030496 = 7.6145 BTC [-]
21:04 danielpbarron !up referredbyloper
21:08 ben_vulpes quick poll: who writes in cursive?
21:08 * asciilifeform would, but had handwriting neural circuitry utterly nuked by alphabet switch in childhood
21:08 * asciilifeform now can only write in the worst possible print
21:09 asciilifeform interestingly, the longer i go without writing by hand, the more this part of brain rots
21:09 asciilifeform i even found myself, as of 4-5 yrs ago, often writing the 2nd letter of a word first
21:09 asciilifeform this -never- happened at any point when i actually picked up a pen on a daily basis (school)
21:11 referredbyloper The cancer of bureaucracy: how it will destroy science, medicine, education; and eventually everything else. http://gen.lib.rus.ec/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1016%2Fj.mehy.2009.11.038
21:14 ben_vulpes referredbyloper: and who are you?
21:14 ben_vulpes and hyu with that auto-downloading pdf
21:15 ben_vulpes <asciilifeform> interestingly, the longer i go without writing by hand, the more this part of brain rots << expected behavior
21:15 ben_vulpes i refuse to take notes on a computer
21:16 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: is there a russian equivalent to cursive?
21:16 ben_vulpes of course there is
21:17 decimation asciilifeform: you can get some of this kind of data with 'perf'
21:17 decimation which comes with the kernel
21:18 decimation but not the details
21:18 mod6 asciilifeform: full sync of bitcoin-v0_5_3_1-RELEASE + { OrphanageBurner } + { TX Orphanage Amputation } underway
21:25 decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2015#1146983 < primarily it bought a whole pile of sunk costs in existing designs, plus serfs who know how to manipulate the tools
21:25 assbot Logged on 28-05-2015 14:52:47; pete_dushenski: "Broadcom is known as a fabless company. It outsources all semiconductor manufacturing to Asian merchant foundries, such as GlobalFoundries, Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation, Silterra, TSMC, and United Microelectronics Corporation." << ahaha. so what the fuck did $37 bn even buy ?
21:26 decimation but when you consier that apple bought renasas for $0.48 bn, you gotta wonder if they are overpaying
21:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37000 @ 0.00031052 = 11.4892 BTC [+]
21:30 mod6 <+asciilifeform> re: memory hunger: anyone investigated effect of https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E17076_04/html/api_reference/CXX/envset_memory_max.html ? << I haven't, but I certainly wanna try this out.
21:31 mod6 What's the memory cap that you wanna use on a pogo? 256Mb?
21:31 danielpbarron !up rwg
21:31 * mod6 reminds himself to setup that pogo
21:35 williamdunne !up referredbyloper
21:35 rwg danielpbarron, yo
21:36 decimation !s referredbyloper
21:36 assbot 10 results for 'referredbyloper' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=referredbyloper
21:37 decimation http://www.reed.com/blog-dpr/?page_id=6 < "One project where my friend and officemate Steven T. Kent (now chief scientist and vice president at BBN, and a chief advisor to NSA) and I lost was our strong argument to put mandatory end-to-end encryption into TCP (and adaptations of the ideas to UDP-based protocols, such as RTP, hich I worked out but abandoned). "
21:38 mod6 asciilifeform: in the igprof_mem_live output, is the "Total" column in aggregate bytes - a sum of all bytes from the call's of said function?
21:38 decimation "Steve?s design was rejected, not because it was unsound, but because NSA did not want to see ANY encryption work going on in the public domain ARPA project, some say because they did not want to see the world be ?too secure? by default. (Rivest and friends had just invented RSA, and the government was trying to declare it Top Secret, then later prohibited under ITAR munitions control export laws)."
21:38 danielpbarron hi rwg !
21:38 danielpbarron do you know how to gpg ?
21:45 decimation mod6: here's how to read the output http://igprof.org/text-output-format.html
21:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36450 @ 0.00031052 = 11.3185 BTC [+]
21:46 decimation by my eye, it looks to me that ThreadMessageHandler(void*) is a turd
21:46 mod6 thx decimation
21:50 mod6 have you looked at ThreadMessageHandler2 ?
21:51 mod6 wait, these are not just bytes allocated during calls, these are LEAKED BYTES?!
21:52 decimation actually CBlock::AddToBlockIndex(unsigned int, unsigned int) [10]
21:52 decimation yes
21:53 mod6 lolol that's horrendus. ProcessBlock leaked 26`847`114 bytes over 346`507 calls?!
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21:54 decimation yes but noted that the leaks were all in its children
21:54 mod6 asciilifeform: how long (how many blocks) was bitcoind sync'ing while you took this sample?
21:54 decimation if you follow that trail you find it's AddToBlockIndex
21:54 mod6 ahh. ok
21:54 * mod6 looks
21:56 mod6 asciilifeform: oh nm, 115500, didn't see that in the URL
21:57 mod6 decimation: i see now
21:57 mod6 26'370'420 / 26'370'420 346'503 / 346'503 CBlock::AcceptBlock() [11]
21:57 mod6 leads to
21:57 mod6 26'370'420 / 26'370'612 346'503 / 346'506 CBlock::AddToBlockIndex(unsigned int, unsigned int) [10]
21:58 decimation There is all kinds of allocation that happens in that fuction
21:58 decimation this makes me wanna burn std::lib and boost
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21:59 mod6 !up ascii_modem
22:00 ascii_modem nonono not leaks
22:00 ascii_modem plz read manual
22:00 mod6 aight, me goes back to it.
22:00 ascii_modem there are no leaks in the usual sense
22:00 ascii_modem the flat graph from mod6 tells us this
22:00 ascii_modem thinkaboutit
22:01 ascii_modem as for the memlimit thing, it has to do with bdb only!
22:01 ascii_modem and 256m is insane, we only have 128 total
22:02 mod6 ah, ok, couldn't remember the amt.
22:02 ascii_modem db should't get more than 4 or at most 8
22:02 mod6 and yea, just for db.
22:02 mod6 ok
22:02 * mod6 reads
22:03 ascii_modem and - plz remember how to read profilers - the 'turd' is merely the procedure that is at the root of call graph tree
22:03 ascii_modem so naturally will appear 'heavy' because 'all roads lead to rome'
22:03 mod6 yah, werd.
22:07 danielpbarron !up rwg
22:10 decimation asciilifeform: all roads lead to home, yes, but home is a good place to start examining each potential pathway
22:14 decimation mod6: so you did a graph of vmstat calls? Is that what ascii is talking about?
22:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28472 @ 0.00031217 = 8.8881 BTC [+]
22:28 mod6 decimation: ah, no. graphs are from nmon. there is a document that goes along with all of that. it's in the mailing list and in the http://thebitcoin.foundation/test/perf/ root
22:29 mod6 http://thebitcoin.foundation/test/perf/nmon_tests_201505.txt
22:30 decimation so the goal here is to reduce memory use, not to find leaks?
22:30 mod6 is that directed at me with my perf tests? or at asciilifeform?
22:30 decimation I guess at ascii, why he bothered with igprof
22:31 decimation presumably the 'leaks' were found by igprof because he killed it after running a certain time, so memory wasn't freed?
22:31 mod6 yeah, im not even sure what i'm looking at anymore with that igprof stuff yet.
22:31 mod6 i was just getting started reading and got pulled away for a minute.
22:31 mod6 but as far as the nmon tests, I wanted to system level profile the entire sync process -- get some visuals, see what we're looking at as far as overall system usage, etc.
22:32 decimation it defintely thinks those areas are leaks, but that might be because of how it was killed, not because it was actually leaked (in the sense of the pointer was lost)
22:32 mod6 yeah, im not sure. i need to read more there.
22:32 decimation I see what ascii means about the flat graph (memory.png on the orphanage thermonuke)
22:33 mod6 in addition to the valgrind tests that ascii did earlier this month, i was going to dig into some of that myself in june.
22:33 mod6 and now, maybe learn the ropes on igprof.
22:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00032704 = 6.4754 BTC [+]
22:34 mod6 <+decimation> I see what ascii means about the flat graph (memory.png on the orphanage thermonuke) << ahh
22:35 asciilifeform decimation: where do you see leaks ?
22:35 asciilifeform and i will add, nothing was killed, that thing is running even now, without interruption
22:36 decimation the igprof documentation says that the report shows memory leaks
22:36 asciilifeform decimation: all i noticed is the same 'pocket change' leaks as valgrind shows
22:37 decimation "MEM_LIVE records the ?live? memory ? memory that hasn?t been freed. If the profile statistics file you are processing came from the end of the application?s run, this will be the memory leaked by the job. If the profile statistics file was triggered during the running of the job, it is a snapshot of the heap, i.e. a heap profile. The statistic is accurate (not statistical) and records the number of bytes allocated and the number of c
22:37 mod6 so the docs say, "MEM_LIVE records the ``live'' memory -- memory that hasn't been freed. If the profile statistics file you are processing came from the end
22:37 mod6 haha. was just typing that out ^^
22:37 asciilifeform well no shit it wasn't freed
22:37 asciilifeform it is in use !
22:37 asciilifeform as in, actually alive
22:37 decimation ah so it wasn't killed, that makes sense
22:37 asciilifeform this is not valgrind! it does not need the process to terminate.
22:37 mod6 cool.
22:37 * mod6 goes back to reading
22:38 decimation asciilifeform: so is your goal to trim out all the 'inactive' memory use?
22:38 decimation so that it fits more comfortably in the pogo?
22:38 asciilifeform decimation: my goal is to get it to sit down in 120M or so.
22:38 asciilifeform whatever it takes.
22:39 asciilifeform there is no acceptable reason for the thing not to go in this very generous box.
22:39 asciilifeform in fact, i want it in 32M.
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22:39 decimation heh. you realize this means you are gonna probably have to discard all the C++ shit
22:39 asciilifeform decimation: aaaaand without any major rewrite.
22:40 asciilifeform just by taking every piece of retarded cruft and shooting it in the head.
22:40 decimation yeah there's tons of cruft in there, no doubt
22:40 asciilifeform every piece of 'orphan' nonsense, where thing works 100% as well with it gone
22:40 asciilifeform every kind of cache
22:40 asciilifeform every idiot dependency that just adds retardation (e.g., dns)
22:41 decimation resolving the fixed hostnames?
22:41 asciilifeform every piece of shit that gets stored & kept around for no reason
22:41 asciilifeform fuck the fixed hostnames
22:41 asciilifeform didn't i kill those already ?
22:42 decimation I'm not sure, I need to get back on the patch train
22:43 mod6 <+ascii_modem> nonono not leaks << ok i see, so with -mp in the MEM_LIVE output we're just seeing a live heap. not leaks as the other doc page said.
22:43 mod6 <+ascii_modem> there are no leaks in the usual sense <+ascii_modem> the flat graph from mod6 tells us this << right
22:43 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pub/1172660_mem_live.txt
22:44 asciilifeform and
22:44 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pub/1172660_mem_max.txt
22:45 asciilifeform ^ where it is now
22:45 mod6 that other page about "text-output-format.html" threw me off.
22:45 * mod6 looks
22:45 asciilifeform l0l extra 0 in there
22:45 asciilifeform rather, extra 1
22:45 asciilifeform 172660, meant.
22:45 decimation asciilifeform: does it slow the processing down (igprof)?
22:45 asciilifeform decimation: not noticeably
22:45 decimation interesting.
22:45 asciilifeform then again, it is running on a very generously oversized box
22:46 asciilifeform ;;calc 144897106 - 74026911
22:46 gribble 70870195
22:46 asciilifeform where the hell did -these- go ?
22:46 asciilifeform this is -exactly- my complaint with valgrind.
22:47 mod6 http://www.loper-os.org/pub/172660_mem_max.txt << 404
22:48 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pub/1172660_mem_max.txt
22:49 asciilifeform yes, it's a typo
22:49 mod6 OH, i didn't actually need to take the extranious '1' out. gotcha
22:49 asciilifeform i'd fix it, but these links are not intended as permanent
22:49 asciilifeform i want everybody to try this at home.
22:50 decimation asciilifeform: your complaint is that valgrind doesn't catch all the memory use?
22:50 asciilifeform aha
22:50 asciilifeform trivially verified with pmap
22:52 asciilifeform let's put it another way:
22:52 asciilifeform there is absolutely no reason for bitcoind to ever use more than at most a few MB more than when it first boots.
22:53 asciilifeform is there even any reason ever to keep more than one or two (second being, one that is in the process of load/verify) blocks in ram at one time
22:54 decimation asciilifeform: it appears a big chunk of the memory in use is tied up in the CBlockIndex class
22:55 asciilifeform decimation: that might be the bdb cache
22:55 asciilifeform (see earlier link)
22:55 asciilifeform it does -not- appear to grow significantly as the thing runs
22:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13748 @ 0.00032704 = 4.4961 BTC [+]
23:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73528 @ 0.00031891 = 23.4488 BTC [-]
23:06 mircea_popescu o look at that
23:11 mircea_popescu mthreat interesting. so basically they run them looser and with a momentum-consuming groove in one spot.
23:15 asciilifeform mircea_popescu is awake !
23:15 * asciilifeform waits for mircea_popescu to eat the log
23:16 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes> why not just rewrite the memory allocation engine at this point, asciilifeform << this is two degrees of magnitude easier, at least.
23:17 asciilifeform none of it is hard.
23:17 asciilifeform but,
23:17 asciilifeform magical allocators are entirely the wrong place to begin.
23:17 asciilifeform that is how you get shitgnomatrons in the first place
23:18 asciilifeform (that is, by plastering over retardation with magic)
23:18 mircea_popescu lol "dark market coupons"
23:18 asciilifeform if, -after we nuke all of the powerranger cruft- - we end up having to go there - then we go there.
23:18 asciilifeform not before.
23:19 mod6 makes sense.
23:20 mircea_popescu cazalla i think she has a point actually. deed the pages, that's proof enough. and as the derps probably don't know (or don't know they should know), we might even catch a diddled page. maybe.
23:21 mircea_popescu asciilifeform "as far as we know" tm, there's no effect.
23:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re: which ?
23:24 mircea_popescu the berkley db mem allocation
23:25 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i get a ballooning all the way to ~23M during first few hours of runtime, where it stays (based on pmap data)
23:25 asciilifeform just for bdb
23:25 mircea_popescu i think it pre-allocates locks or something
23:26 asciilifeform according to docs, this is not a hard necessity.
23:26 mircea_popescu well no, just how it does it
23:27 asciilifeform there is a hard-ram-bound option, presently unused, and entirely separate from the locks constant. see link in log.
23:27 scoopbot_revived Former US House Speaker Indicted on Attempting to Evade Financial Surveillance http://qntra.net/2015/05/former-us-house-speaker-indicted-on-attempting-to-evade-financial-surveillance/
23:31 mircea_popescu decimation rather old news at this point, the entire "nsa hoped and lost"
23:32 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147258 << welcome to "we're improving bitcoin" bitcoin.
23:32 assbot Logged on 29-05-2015 01:53:57; mod6: lolol that's horrendus. ProcessBlock leaked 26`847`114 bytes over 346`507 calls?!
23:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: plz read log. these are not leaks...
23:32 mircea_popescu im parsing!
23:33 mod6 :] i read a doc from the igprof site that had me confused on what I was looking at.
23:33 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147270 << an' use what ?
23:33 assbot Logged on 29-05-2015 01:58:35; decimation: this makes me wanna burn std::lib and boost
23:34 mircea_popescu oh okay i see.
23:34 mircea_popescu somehow i thought we're still looking at valgrind stuffls.
23:35 decimation mircea_popescu: yeah but the interesting thing is to see how they were involved in the early creation of internet protocols
23:35 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: nah this is an entirely other animal, 'igprof.' takes malloc byte counts from a living (!) process
23:35 asciilifeform which is running still.
23:35 mircea_popescu by now i heard the "nsa didn't want strong encryption at all, and lobbied against inclusion of anything like it were microsoft on a bender" from so many people it's settled
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23:36 asciilifeform to do this, you need http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000095.html
23:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00031228 = 8.1505 BTC [-] {2}
23:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah i see. no clear call on whether they were leaked or not yet.
23:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: snapshot lets you take counts of live allocs as often as you like
23:37 mircea_popescu yea
23:37 asciilifeform any that monotonically increases is candidate for a leak. but mod6's test (and mine) suggests that there are no longer leaks in the classical sense
23:37 asciilifeform in that the total footprint does not exceed a certain size
23:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47622 @ 0.00031283 = 14.8976 BTC [+]
23:38 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147327 << the many things alf wants to fit in his mind, and the place where we find his brain is actually 32mb memory.
23:38 assbot Logged on 29-05-2015 02:39:30; asciilifeform: in fact, i want it in 32M.
23:38 decimation they are 'leaks' in the sense that the memory is in use and isn't free
23:38 asciilifeform decimation: 'leak' has a precise technical definition
23:39 asciilifeform which is, memory which ought to have been freed, but can -no longer ever be-
23:39 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i want the thing to shoehorn into, e.g., 'hootoo tripmate'
23:39 asciilifeform which comes with 32MB
23:41 mircea_popescu aha
23:41 mircea_popescu and he's not into anal sex
23:41 mircea_popescu he just likes shoving hot rods into tiny crevices.
23:41 BingoBoingo !b 5
23:41 assbot Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1NTMMD7.txt )
23:41 asciilifeform to each man, his favourite crevice
23:42 BingoBoingo damn too early
23:43 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147415 << this is beautifully and amply documented in 'the electronic privacy papers' by (yes) schneier (pre-lobotomy)
23:43 assbot Logged on 29-05-2015 03:35:55; mircea_popescu: by now i heard the "nsa didn't want strong encryption at all, and lobbied against inclusion of anything like it were microsoft on a bender" from so many people it's settled
23:43 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo old age problems
23:43 mircea_popescu used to be too late.
23:43 asciilifeform i have the dead tree
23:43 asciilifeform (one nice thing about dead trees is that they cannot be doctored remotely)
23:44 asciilifeform 'the great soviet encyclopaedia' and the 'corrections' mailed to owners, complete with razor for slicing out 'unpersons', notwithstanding
23:45 asciilifeform (btw it was a very spiffy encyclopaedia and unjustly gets shat on today)
23:46 asciilifeform incidentally, it would be a mistake to conclude that nsa was specifically raging against rsa and only it
23:46 asciilifeform but more broadly against crypto research outside of the castle walls, as a class
23:47 BingoBoingo Well, CPU time used to be expensive for kleptocrats too
23:47 asciilifeform in late '80s - early '90s, laughably weak symmetric crypto (even rotor machines !) were still in use worldwide, for instance
23:48 asciilifeform a great many ciphertrons sold by nato cocksucker nations (western europe) were actually electronicized versions of 'enigma'-style rotors
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23:49 decimation asciilifeform: your definition of 'memory leak' seems to be narrower than common parlance
23:49 asciilifeform decimation: common parlance, as always, is uselessly broad
23:50 decimation yes, point taken. but what do you call memory that might be a leak, or might not?
23:50 asciilifeform decimation: you call it 'i need to instrument the thing in real time and find out'
23:50 asciilifeform alternatively 'i need to fit the code in head'
23:51 asciilifeform the latter is the only reasonable goal, and the only reasonable purpose of the former is to advance it
23:53 decimation asciilifeform: http://www.theamphour.com/247-an-interview-with-voja-antonic-gerontogenous-galaksija-genesis/ < that podcast is an interview with voja antonic, who invented an 8-bit 'home computer' that was published in a magazine in yugoslavia
23:54 asciilifeform decimation: i think every sovblok pesthole had at least two dozen homebrew published z80 things
23:54 asciilifeform (on top of the mass-produced sinclair clones)
23:54 decimation in it, he says that he feels that code that is compiled and assembled from a higher level language (higher than assembly) isn't 'his'
23:54 decimation asciilifeform: yeah I think in this case it was a z80 clone
23:55 decimation apparently in the yugoslav case it was because it was illegal to buy a foreign device above a certain dollar value - but you could buy the parts and assemble yourself
23:56 asciilifeform they had genuine z80 !?
23:56 asciilifeform bought with dollars ?!
23:56 decimation now, thinking about what the assembly from (say bitcoind) would look like - our slavic human assembler would think that whoever wrote the code was afflicted with a case of 'word salad' madness
23:56 decimation asciilifeform: I think he said he bought with marks
23:57 decimation and yes, apparently parts were available
23:57 asciilifeform decimation: reading disasm of cpp crapolade is a misery
23:57 * asciilifeform does it regularly, does not relish
23:57 decimation right, so 'fits in head' fails in all languages higher than assembly, on the c machine
23:58 decimation because it's the bedrock yo
23:58 asciilifeform decimation has a point in that even a very trivial cpp proggy can have very peculiar manifest behaviour
23:58 asciilifeform even aside from cryptozoological animals like gcc errata
23:59 decimation right, the 'value' of c++ is that you can 'forget' about the crap like 'malloc' 'free' etc
23:59 decimation but these are precisely what you want to 'fit in head'
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