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00:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83711 @ 0.0002939 = 24.6027 BTC [-]
00:10 mats https://github.com/nologic/idaref
00:11 asciilifeform mats: l0l you oughta have this in yer head
00:11 mats ive been moving between x86 and arm a lot
00:11 mats its disorienting
00:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30989 @ 0.00029376 = 9.1033 BTC [-] {2}
00:19 asciilifeform http://valaamov-osel.livejournal.com/171595.html << unrelated. catalogue of a soviet 'birch' store (sold products to K00l K1dz for d0ll4rz) circa 1975.
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00:46 danielpbarron !up paxtoncamaro91
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01:04 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu unrelated to anything, but for the classicz translation olympics: http://dpaste.com/0BP7BQQ << this time, not mine. but obscure, and very l337
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01:05 gribble The operation succeeded.
01:19 scoopbot_revived IRS Confirms Breech Reported 2 Months Ago http://qntra.net/2015/05/irs-confirms-breech-reported-2-months-ago/
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01:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22350 @ 0.00029104 = 6.5047 BTC [-]
01:25 ben_vulpes breach
01:25 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: ^^
01:25 BingoBoingo Fuck Imma have to start using that word all together
01:26 BingoBoingo !up Vexual
01:27 Vexual \who did a wot now
01:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69969 @ 0.00028298 = 19.7998 BTC [-] {4}
01:28 BingoBoingo I said the IRS was back of the cannon'd for all da information
01:28 Vexual !s endeavour
01:28 assbot 33 results for 'endeavour' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=endeavour
01:31 Vexual da fuq https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or3U2rXxvQw p19
01:34 ben_vulpes <asciilifeform> [01:32] rather, it is a u.s. aircraft carrier - which simply happens to be made of earth << girl and i both lold
01:38 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or3U2rXxvQw
01:39 mats taiwan is a very nice aircraft carrier
01:41 Vexual quatar does oaky
01:42 Vexual all business all day
01:43 Vexual cunt even allow smoking
01:44 Vexual knobsuckya business
01:44 Vexual *innaya
01:48 Vexual soz chan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcuAw77J8_Y
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02:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83050 @ 0.00028953 = 24.0455 BTC [+] {2}
02:18 BingoBoingo http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/34146752/ << lulz
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03:57 BingoBoingo ;;calc 170.0/2.2
03:57 gribble 77.2727272727
04:07 scoopbot_revived The death of geography. http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/27/the-death-of-geography/
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04:23 BingoBoingo !up Vexual
04:23 BingoBoingo !up check
04:24 BingoBoingo !up mixdio
04:24 BingoBoingo !up DreadKnight
04:24 BingoBoingo !up diana_coman
04:24 diana_coman thanks BingoBoingo
04:24 BingoBoingo yw
04:32 DreadKnight bacon
04:32 DreadKnight bbl
04:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37744 @ 0.00027815 = 10.4985 BTC [-] {2}
04:46 mircea_popescu Apocalyptic the expectation would be that it'd be divisible by 32bit-shifted 1 + 1, ie 100000000000000000000000000000001 ie 4294967297
04:48 mircea_popescu the most that can be said of a number produced through taking a composite (moduli are composites - of two primes yes, but composite) and applying the 32bit mirroring process is that you'll obtain an odd number. that's it. the probability of a number that large being prime is roughly speaking n/ln(n)
04:50 mircea_popescu which for a 4096 key comes to about 0.03% or 1 in 3k
04:53 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146099 << my homeland begins and ends in that place where stupidity goes unrewarded.
04:53 assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 05:04:30; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu unrelated to anything, but for the classicz translation olympics: http://dpaste.com/0BP7BQQ << this time, not mine. but obscure, and very l337
04:53 mircea_popescu that's it. fuckall i give a shit about whatever any woman hummed in any circumstance and whatever tree or bird or wheeltrack through the mud.
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05:01 mircea_popescu Apocalyptic in retrospect, the discovery that out of the 89 so mirrored factors, any more than 0 are ~actually~ prime would contradict reasonable expectation significantly,
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05:02 mircea_popescu or numerically, the confidence that none is prime is something like 97% or thereabouts.
05:05 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2015#1145911 << omg let people reserve their judgement. would you need new limbs ? what kind ? how big ?
05:05 assbot Logged on 26-05-2015 23:24:50; Adlai: smaller? larger? dynamiker? polymorfic?
05:06 mircea_popescu you'll never be able to go to the moon with just the two pairs you got!
05:08 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2015#1145932 << the problem with finance isn't "that there exist numbers" but "that there exists unknowns". fixed inflation is not fundamentally different from zero inflation just as long as the inflation is known. which of the two is more convenient (and it's purely a matter of clerical convenience) reduces to a discussion of whether humanity is an ever-expanding cancer or a c
05:08 assbot Logged on 26-05-2015 23:32:32; Adlai: trouble is, there'll come a day when bitcoin inflation is lower than monflation
05:08 mircea_popescu yclical process like adp metabolism.
05:09 mircea_popescu i happen to believe the later's the case, but i would certainly regret to see the alternative viewpoint bereft of an experimentally available venue, because i am by no means certain this is so.
05:11 mircea_popescu for this reason, monero's choice is reasonable whatever anyone involved may personally believe - because bitcoin already exists
05:18 mircea_popescu that said, i'm still waiting for fluffypony to come an' say alright guyse, this is ready to present to b-a. because stuff like https://getmonero.org/knowledge-base/about or https://getmonero.org/design-goals/ ... srsly, colored rectangles ? WOW!11
05:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8397 @ 0.00028816 = 2.4197 BTC [+]
05:20 fluffypony mircea_popescu: it's an open-source project, so I'm waiting for contributors to fill that stuff in :)
05:20 mircea_popescu makes sense.
05:20 mircea_popescu still, from the other pov... fuckall knows what's in there.
05:20 mircea_popescu now, it's true that the first time around (ie, bitcoin), i spent my own money/time to get it researched. but expecting the same be done the 2nd time around is unreasonable.
05:23 mircea_popescu Other issues with ZKP include the RSA private key used to initiate the accumulator, which must be trusted to be destroyed by the generating party. << for the record, this isn't "other issues". this is enough to render the entire thing a joke.
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05:23 mircea_popescu no further issues needed.
05:24 mircea_popescu zero coin seems to me exactly designed as a lizard hitler back-up, "alt-bitcoin" bs.
05:26 mircea_popescu fluffypony in any case, comparisons with dead cows like zerocoin, coinjoin etc aren't interesting. i'd like to hear a comparison with bitbet mixing, which is to my eyes the golden standard in bitcoin anonimizing of chain-visible transactions.
05:29 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2015#1145933 << ayup. there's really no secret that the clay legged giants of the fiat world are both unable to compete and only great in their own imagination.
05:29 assbot Logged on 26-05-2015 23:32:41; mats: fun fact: nasdaq runs the investor relations portals for most of the fortune 500 companies, on adobe coldfusion
05:29 mircea_popescu much like any two bit bitcoin-wallet / what have you, their time to "be hacked" will come.
05:30 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2015#1145941 << from the crypts of the lost : "Can you run Monero miner through TOR? If yes, what change would need to made to the bat file on the opening page? I'm using Windows. thanks"
05:30 assbot Logged on 26-05-2015 23:37:37; mats: a surprisingly large number of folks run java EE and .NET application servers
05:31 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2015#1145944 << and in this BingoBoingo would be exactly correct.
05:31 assbot Logged on 26-05-2015 23:39:59; *: BingoBoingo imagines what happened was Adobe was giving schools Phree Dreamweaver for classes, and they just ran with it all the way
05:33 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2015#1145951 << yes, it should. it can not, and it will not, which essentially renders "the uk governmenty" null and void.
05:33 assbot Logged on 26-05-2015 23:45:41; williamdunne: "The UK government should apply the same regulation and identification requirements to bitcoin wallets as it does to bank accounts, Accenture has advised."
05:36 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1145970 << alternatively, you could just go join #adlai. seeing how idem.
05:36 assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 00:57:54; Adlai: it's only information if you care about it
05:44 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1145990 << dude, that was possibly the craziest most riveting day in memory.
05:44 assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 01:12:26; danielpbarron: and this http://trilema.com/2013/marketplace-excitement-with-expert-commentary-for-your-vicarious-trading-pleasure/
05:44 mircea_popescu course dunno how comprehensible it all is by now.
05:46 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146024 << quotes belong around our :)
05:46 assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 01:33:20; decimation: where's our 'snowden' from that world?
05:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140400 @ 0.00028136 = 39.5029 BTC [-]
05:50 davout monero is pretty neat, the only real problem I see is that it'll bloat even faster than bitcoin given the fact that ring signatures are pretty expensive
05:50 davout (size-wise)
05:52 mircea_popescu how expensive ?
05:53 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146036 < division of labour eh ? "you build a city out of vacant lots"
05:53 assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 01:40:00; decimation: where each part manufacturer will 'application engineer' their peice
05:53 davout mircea_popescu: if i understood correctly it's up to the sender, the idea being that you obfuscate where the money's coming from by signing a group of inputs that you may or may not contrel, only one of them being actually spent
05:53 davout *control
05:53 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146039 << i recall this. one of the pillars of my original "lol apple is not worth money" notions.
05:53 assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 01:45:02; mats: fun fact: the original iPhone shipped without privilege separation, and in tandem with a libtiff bug Chris Wade wrote an exploit that made it possible to root a user visiting a web page
05:53 davout fluffypony: this correct? ^
05:54 mircea_popescu davout see kinda why i'm waiting for him to decide to present it.
05:54 davout you could, again if i understand correctly, decide to only spend a single input and work in a bitcoin-like 'degraded' mode
05:54 davout in this case the sig may actually be smaller
05:54 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146043 << that weight being entirely novel, and ulterior to the first iphone.
05:54 assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 01:46:08; decimation: yeah interestingly apple outta be an exception, given the weight they can throw around
05:55 mircea_popescu davout the problem of bloat is not something that can be individually addressed. in a sense/under a certain perspective this is like saying that 1800s london was incredibly smoky because of all the heating coal usage, but you could also burn clean coal, which was only slightly more expensive.
05:56 davout fluffypony: what was that podcast you made in which you explained how monero works?
05:56 mircea_popescu sure... and whether you do or don't, your clothes will be gray.
05:57 davout so far my actual experience with monero is that the initial sync is horribly slow
05:59 davout i built the daemon five days ago, have it running since then, and it's still 220 days behind apparently
05:59 mircea_popescu out of what, 350 ?
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06:00 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146069 << apparently to hear cazalla, not so long. sounds like you could get land in montana for a tenth of what they make him pay.
06:00 assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 02:39:04; decimation: australia may be a fucked up place but it is long on land
06:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63100 @ 0.0002883 = 18.1917 BTC [+] {3}
06:01 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146083 << dun tell me that fruit is keiser ?!
06:01 assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 03:14:10; williamdunne: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CF-d6RBUMAEalVh.jpg:large
06:01 cazalla 95% of australia isn't livable
06:03 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146095 << looks exactly like the "democratic" german mag they probably copied/translated.
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06:03 assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 04:19:15; asciilifeform: http://valaamov-osel.livejournal.com/171595.html << unrelated. catalogue of a soviet 'birch' store (sold products to K00l K1dz for d0ll4rz) circa 1975.
06:03 mircea_popescu cazalla no fresh water ?
06:04 cazalla no anything
06:04 cazalla http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46620000/gif/_46620451_aus_pop_distribution_466map.gif
06:05 mircea_popescu o shit, the tins of soviet caviar.
06:05 * mircea_popescu still has a salivation reflex.
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06:05 mircea_popescu dude if the soviets did something right... caviar's been dead since the 90s.
06:05 fluffypony davout: yes - the sender chooses a mixin, although in ~2 years the minimum mixin goes up to you + 4 others (for each input)
06:05 mircea_popescu those bare metal tins FULL of it to the popping...
06:05 mircea_popescu fluffypony how ?
06:05 fluffypony but we can prune and retain the txoset and the key image set
06:05 fluffypony mircea_popescu: you mean how does the sender choose?
06:05 mircea_popescu no i mean how do you know what happens in 2 years.
06:06 davout http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146212 <<< pretty much
06:06 assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 09:59:24; mircea_popescu: out of what, 350 ?
06:06 fluffypony oh - in the protocol we have a block height that is approx. 2 years from now where the minimum mixin kicks up to 4
06:07 mircea_popescu aha
06:07 fluffypony it's just privacy improvements, per this: MRL-0004: Improving Obfuscation in the CryptoNote Protocol (https://lab.getmonero.org/pubs/MRL-0004.pdf)
06:07 mircea_popescu asciilifeform lmao zwarte kat. did i call it or what.
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06:08 mircea_popescu fluffypony how does someone else using a 1 instead of a 5 degrade my privacy ?
06:09 fluffypony mircea_popescu: if you use a 5 and the recipient then sends funds on using a mixin of 1 then there's a risk that the real input can be unmasked, which links it back to the previous transaction
06:09 * fluffypony bearing in mind that it's on a per-input basis
06:09 mircea_popescu ah i c
06:10 fluffypony https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/ltb-e202-understanding-monero
06:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23809 @ 0.00029022 = 6.9098 BTC [+]
06:11 fluffypony that's the LTB podcast where I explain a bit about it
06:11 mircea_popescu i'm too far gone to be help-able by video.
06:11 mircea_popescu http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5504/morbid-anatomist9.5b/0_61cb6_a69b63cb_orig.jpg << bwahaha oh 80s! where are you!
06:12 fluffypony it's even worse, it's audio only :-P
06:12 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146101 << would you look at that. my wp auto-redirects to new url if i fuck up a title. you two gotta look into that.
06:12 assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 05:19:44; scoopbot_revived: IRS Confirms Breech Reported 2 Months Ago http://qntra.net/2015/05/irs-confirms-breech-reported-2-months-ago/
06:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00031546 = 1.6877 BTC [+]
06:25 cazalla fixed the typo in the url
06:25 scoopbot_revived IRS Confirms Breach Reported 2 Months Ago http://qntra.net/2015/05/irs-confirms-breach-reported-2-months-ago/
06:26 cazalla bwahah btc.com already closed up shop
06:26 cazalla http://bitcoinist.net/press-release-btc-com/
06:27 cazalla who ever could've guessed
06:27 mircea_popescu cazalla a cool
06:28 mircea_popescu cazalla poor roger ver really belongs in the gallery of famous tragic characters, with brave, brave, brave sir robert, the tragic clown and his faithful wife nedda etc.
06:29 mircea_popescu here's the story of a simple country boy, one could say a cock-eyed optimist who got himself a number of pleabargained felonies after which the sun seemed to shine, and all his long held frustrations as to relevancy for business, intellectual prowess and whatnot seemed to realise! finally! oh, how this moment had been pined for.
06:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25800 @ 0.00029527 = 7.618 BTC [-]
06:30 mircea_popescu but then... horror of horrors! everything he touches turns to shit, and now here he is, stuck trying to hold on to the status long after the water's gone out.
06:30 mircea_popescu thousands of bitcoin donated to a shitty foundation ? gone, as is the foundation.
06:30 mircea_popescu paltry attempts to make it stay relevant about as effectual as spitting in the wind.
06:30 cazalla i figured him as autistic tbh
06:31 mircea_popescu the guy spent more than it was worth (in bitcoin treading for a pittance) to acquire a "valuable" domain, as if a domain name could ever be valuable.
06:31 cazalla in his videos his eyes have that glassed over, empty look
06:31 cazalla but anyway, btc.com and bitcoin.com, 2 diff things just occuring at the same time
06:31 mircea_popescu and now he's stuck in a world where others may entertain his pretense (to "professionalism" or to "business-like" or whatever else), but a) only third worlders, and b) only for as far as they find it net positive.
06:31 fluffypony when they say it "lead to the loss of the domain" what do they mean
06:31 fluffypony GAW owns the domain?
06:31 mircea_popescu so no, okpay isn't gonna pay him "what the contract says". okpay doesn't belong to the space of delusion he belongs to.
06:32 mircea_popescu fluffypony it means the fountain of shit these people create as a byproduct of their metabolism.
06:32 mircea_popescu the domain no longer has an owner, it's a toxic asset now
06:32 mircea_popescu much like the original bitcoin magazine
06:32 mircea_popescu for exactly the same reasons.
06:32 cazalla fluffypony, garza "bought" it last year for 1 million.. to pay off in installments over 36 months.. but garza has no money left apparently.. so he leases it to bitcoinist, pockets the money and the real owner of the domain takes it back as garza late/failed to make payments leaving bitcoinist up shit creek
06:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55800 @ 0.00029942 = 16.7076 BTC [+]
06:33 fluffypony ah
06:33 mircea_popescu cazalla there's at least three parties if not like five with some sort of claim oiver it, all of which cost more to prosecute than the thing would cost to replace.
06:33 cazalla but the bitcoinist guy should've known better seeing he already went through this with garza last year when garza was going to buy bitcoinist and mate tokay wanted green card, 200k, lambo, unit and all that other shit
06:33 mircea_popescu which is why we don't believe for a second that this is a bona fide business dispute.
06:33 mircea_popescu just more smokefronting.
06:34 cazalla kids and their pokemon cards
06:35 chetty appeals court ruled against obama amnesty stuff, sometimes the law kinda works, but I doubt it will stop anything, courts cant enforce and there is history of O thumbing nose at them
06:35 mircea_popescu if ballas were around the one thing i'd ask him would be to write up this particular story. it's something else, "the failures of roger ver's pretense on the jagged shores of reality - 2010 - 2015"
06:35 mircea_popescu chetty which one is this again ?
06:36 chetty O made exec order about giving illegals status and green cards and stuff, Texas sued
06:36 cazalla i thought his amnesty was quite limited to who and time (3 years?)
06:36 mircea_popescu o. heh.
06:37 mircea_popescu chetty and i presume the people in question already received the green cards right ?
06:37 chetty well I bet some did, coursts issued injunctions but I think the agencies just ignored it
06:38 mircea_popescu and obviously nobody's going to jail for any of this.
06:38 mircea_popescu no "20 years to life for wilfully breaking the law from a position of government".
06:39 mircea_popescu just you know, "Dear Judge Forrest,"
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08:30 mircea_popescu !up goregrind
08:30 mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats
08:30 gribble Current Blocks: 358240 | Current Difficulty: 4.880748724468138E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 358847 | Next Difficulty In: 607 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 8 hours, 48 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47387880401.5 | Estimated Percent Change: -2.90858
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08:55 mircea_popescu !up referredbyloper
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10:09 jurov http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/05/the-moose-is-loose-linux-based-worm-turns-routers-into-social-network-bots/
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10:10 jurov long overdue
10:10 jurov hope someone does this for gsm baseband soon, too
10:10 jurov ;;rated davout
10:10 gribble You rated user davout on Tue Apr 22 11:42:23 2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: bitcoin-central; met IRL.
10:13 asciilifeform <jurov> hope someone does this for gsm baseband soon, too << these have remote login with default creds ?
10:14 asciilifeform 'Once the router is powered off, it restarts without the worm present.' << lamers
10:16 jurov i wouldn't be surprised at all if baseband has that
10:16 jurov it's done by the same chumps as these routers
10:17 asciilifeform jurov: at this point, it would take a good bit to surprise me.
10:17 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146154 << rootless kosmopolitan (TM) (R)
10:17 assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 08:53:47; mircea_popescu: that's it. fuckall i give a shit about whatever any woman hummed in any circumstance and whatever tree or bird or wheeltrack through the mud.
10:20 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146155 << not one of those things is prime, for perfectly valid arithmetical reasons (see Apocalyptic's note about 641 and 6700417. and you can prove it, but i'm leaving it as an exercise for now)
10:20 assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 09:01:53; mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic in retrospect, the discovery that out of the 89 so mirrored factors, any more than 0 are ~actually~ prime would contradict reasonable expectation significantly,
10:21 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146171 << see the old 'promises vs mathematics' thread also.
10:21 assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 09:23:44; mircea_popescu: Other issues with ZKP include the RSA private key used to initiate the accumulator, which must be trusted to be destroyed by the generating party. << for the record, this isn't "other issues". this is enough to render the entire thing a joke.
10:24 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146219 << my understanding is that similar establishments, under ru management, existed in the 'colonies' under a variety of names
10:24 assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 10:03:44; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146095 << looks exactly like the "democratic" german mag they probably copied/translated.
10:25 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the wares were marketed mainly to diplomatic staff, who were paid in a peculiar kind of scrip rather than ruble (which was Officially non-exportable)
10:26 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146225 << yeah, same. i nearly imploded upon seeing that.
10:26 assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 10:05:20; *: mircea_popescu still has a salivation reflex.
10:28 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146238 << thing is about 50/50 'best of ru' and imported things.
10:28 assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 10:07:45; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lmao zwarte kat. did i call it or what.
10:29 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the comments were gold. folks pointing out that if you want to eat these things -today-, you need -significantly- better connections and de-facto 5-10x the money.
10:30 asciilifeform (the trick was, the scrip was available on the black market, in exchange for ordinary - or as they were called, 'wooden' - ruble.)
10:31 asciilifeform in other news,
10:31 asciilifeform gavin & the merry band of shitgnomes used their magic key to transmit 'Warning: This version is obsolete, upgrade required!'
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10:32 asciilifeform i have a number of 'conventional' nodes where this warning now appears.
10:32 asciilifeform !up thestringpuller
10:32 thestringpuller https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/hardware/ << apparenlty this is shipping today? 2 months ahead of schedule...
10:32 thestringpuller 6 times more than a pogo tho
10:33 asciilifeform costs like a real computer
10:33 jurov lol my parents were in '87 to moscow/leningrad and naively went shopping to "beriozka" for rubbles ... were told "dolary" and shown the door
10:34 asciilifeform jurov: common experience. vysotsky even had a mega-popular song about it.
10:36 thestringpuller asciilifeform: seems like "clustefuck to the hard fork" type deal goin on.
10:37 jurov have you seen gavin complaining research doesn't clearly support it?
10:38 jurov http://gavinandresen.svbtle.com/analysis-paralysis
10:39 asciilifeform thestringpuller: the trick with pogo, incidentally, is that its price is a rather artificial thing. my understanding is that they were sold 'at cost' and presently sold at liquidation price.
10:40 asciilifeform nothing - and i mean, -nothing- remotely comparable is available for any less than 6x the cost.
10:41 asciilifeform it is -literally- the cheapest device on the planet which runs bitcoin.
10:41 jurov there are n900's with broken gsm module available cheaply, and they have 32GB flash storage
10:41 asciilifeform jurov: ram ?
10:41 jurov 512
10:41 asciilifeform and l0l try running your node over a gsm modem today
10:41 asciilifeform or wat, broken ?!
10:41 jurov 80211n no, wifi still works
10:41 asciilifeform aha
10:41 asciilifeform how cheap is 'cheap' ?
10:41 jurov 30eur
10:42 asciilifeform 2-3x the cost of pogo.
10:42 asciilifeform and phone flash is typically dog-slow
10:42 jurov no here it's same as pogo
10:42 asciilifeform not to mention that 32GB is undersized.
10:42 asciilifeform you'd have to throw it out in a year or so.
10:43 asciilifeform (likely sooner)
10:43 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146305 <----> http://trilema.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/ and other unrelated matter.
10:43 assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 14:09:39; jurov: http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/05/the-moose-is-loose-linux-based-worm-turns-routers-into-social-network-bots/
10:44 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: there is no shortage of folks doing this even now.
10:44 jurov also you forget that you have to buy ssd for the pogo
10:44 asciilifeform jurov: true
10:44 asciilifeform jurov: but this applies to any device
10:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nor is there any hope for naive "social media" pseudo-businesses in the future.
10:44 jurov danielpbarron: how big is .bitcoin on pogo?
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10:44 mircea_popescu by which i mean facebook and its spawn, twitter, reddit etc.
10:44 asciilifeform because if something were to ship with the 128GB or whatnot that a sane person would ask for a node - built-in, the device would have a capped lifespan
10:45 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the payola from usg continues, life carries on. at no point are actual users required.
10:45 asciilifeform see also orlov's 'dead souls' essay.
10:45 mircea_popescu the idea isn't to make it impossible for the usg to pretend like itexists.
10:46 mircea_popescu the idea is to make it impossible for anyone to use it for any useful purpose.
10:46 asciilifeform jurov: i haven't a synced one. ask danielpbarron
10:46 mircea_popescu otherwise, the "republic of china" can carry on.
10:47 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i can scarcely remember a time when it -was- usable for some useful purpose.
10:47 asciilifeform perhaps '06-07
10:47 mircea_popescu weren't you insisting, a day or two ago, that "these folks can still eat - unaffacted" ?
10:48 asciilifeform aha
10:48 asciilifeform because they get fed by usg automagically
10:48 mircea_popescu but then you yourself do notice that no, they can't eat, when you say "folks pointing out that if you want to eat these things -today-, you need -significantly- better connections and de-facto 5-10x the money."
10:48 mircea_popescu arentcha a bundle of contradictions!
10:48 asciilifeform wai wat
10:48 mircea_popescu in any case : the beatings will continue.
10:48 mircea_popescu soon enough usg folk will be able to eat paper and so on.
10:49 asciilifeform link to 'beriozka' is pertinent because at no point did the senior managerial caste lose their access to goodies
10:49 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146331 << heh. nature red in tooth and claw. except of course those claws aren't all that impressive for mankind. not anymore at any rate.
10:49 assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 14:31:51; asciilifeform: gavin & the merry band of shitgnomes used their magic key to transmit 'Warning: This version is obsolete, upgrade required!'
10:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the usg senior caste has.
10:50 mircea_popescu look into what they eat for primo steak.
10:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: when i spot obama in my local shitgrocery i will then agree.
10:50 mircea_popescu go eat at the wh sometime.
10:50 asciilifeform when he is picking the less-rotten tomatoes with his own two hands
10:50 mircea_popescu now that you have the experience of actual steak.
10:51 asciilifeform as far as i'm concerned, wh menu may or may not include flesh of virgins
10:51 asciilifeform postmen - will eat paper, yes
10:52 mircea_popescu lmao schmuck is STILL going on with his retarded "no comments allowed" posts about how bitcoin this or that ?
10:52 asciilifeform i've been informed that some already are
10:52 mircea_popescu ridoinculous.
10:52 mircea_popescu asciilifeform so.go.eat.at.wh.sometime
10:52 mircea_popescu not like it's THAT hard.
10:52 asciilifeform l0l i think they actually guard the parties now
10:53 asciilifeform so yes, postmen - will eat paper. but less than 2 yrs ago i was a guest at a house party of a fella who, it turned out, was middle management at nsa. he is not eating paper.
10:53 asciilifeform he eats very, very well.
10:53 mircea_popescu <mircea_popescu> in any case : the beatings will continue.
10:53 mircea_popescu he will eat worse next year.
10:54 asciilifeform he will eat worse once he runs out of my and neighbour's fat.
10:54 asciilifeform and not before.
10:55 jurov if you so insist
10:55 asciilifeform jurov: dogs, then, also have fleas because they insist ?
10:56 jurov "on irc, no one knows i am a dog"
10:57 asciilifeform i like converse 'on the net, though no one might know, i am still a dog'
10:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform he has a point. yes, they will try, which is why you (the impersonal you) wants to get out of there.
10:57 asciilifeform and yes, if dog could get ddt - he would
10:57 mircea_popescu would it ?
10:58 asciilifeform certainly, if he knew of it
10:58 mircea_popescu how do you know this ?
10:58 asciilifeform cannot know, obviously
10:58 asciilifeform but only suspect
10:58 mircea_popescu maybe dog knows but believes it somehow is exceptional for him.
10:59 mircea_popescu "when i see birds using ddt i'll believe it" or somesuch
10:59 asciilifeform something almost aesopian about this
10:59 mircea_popescu indeed.
11:00 asciilifeform in other news, pump is running: http://nosuchlabs.com/stats
11:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105500 @ 0.00030206 = 31.8673 BTC [+] {3}
11:01 jurov btw, i have fully arranged moving my ass deep into western germany... if not for pet's problems would prolly already be there
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11:01 asciilifeform jurov: congrats !
11:01 asciilifeform germany is spiffy
11:01 mircea_popescu i will for the record point out that the way alf and apparently everyone else's adopted "pet" to refer to their SO is driving some of the slavegirls up the fucking walls.
11:01 asciilifeform l0l why
11:02 mircea_popescu because apparently tm
11:02 asciilifeform btw a pet is not simply any sex partner, but one that you keep fed, combed, vet visits, ..., etc. and don't send out to work for pay
11:03 mircea_popescu so = significant other
11:03 asciilifeform aha
11:03 jurov ;;ud tm
11:03 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=TM | I'm honoured by TM's presense! I'm glad to be at your service TM! TM is at the battlefield fighting some gauls, brb. (note on the fridge by Caesar to Cleopatra).
11:03 mircea_popescu trademark lol
11:03 asciilifeform when i say 'pet' i mean very specific technical term, 'creature kept around for company that isn't required to produce milk, pull cart, turn millstone'
11:04 mircea_popescu i suspek it's mostly because i use "good pet" as a congratulatory term. as opposed to variations of "you motherfuckin' bitch you!" and so on.
11:04 asciilifeform aha same
11:05 * asciilifeform bbl, off to the mines
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11:23 jurov http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32895048 lol fifa brass detained, "But Fifa says it plans to go ahead with an election for president as planned."
11:24 jurov honey badgers of soccer
11:26 jurov of power rangers of ~ ?
11:26 jurov *or
11:31 mircea_popescu amusingly, romania had a similar thing going coupla years ago, sent half the coaches/club heads/trainers etc in the country behind bars
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12:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 210579 @ 0.00029656 = 62.4493 BTC [-] {2}
12:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9100 @ 0.00014 = 1.274 BTC [-] {5}
12:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00030055 = 7.2733 BTC [+]
12:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 179950 @ 0.00030389 = 54.685 BTC [+] {3}
12:20 mats http://apnews.myway.com/article/20150526/us--obama-nsa-surveillance-93f69ee917.html
12:21 mats " Obama noted that the controversial bulk phone collections program, which was exposed by National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden, is reformed in the House bill, which does away with it over six months and instead gives phone companies the responsibility of maintaining phone records that the government can search."
12:32 mats http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-05-2015#1144460
12:32 assbot Logged on 24-05-2015 15:09:42; mircea_popescu: mats eh, this is just a dog and pony show for young rand etc. what'll happen is the wh backe,d house vetted solution where the nsa doesn't keep the records, phone companies do, nsa just asks for what it needs.
12:33 jurov https://lwn.net/Articles/639427/ wow what a shitgnomery. concerned only narrowly with performance,throwing the opportunity to encrypt file metadata out of the window
12:34 davout http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146426 <<< come to france sometime, eat some real food
12:34 assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 15:01:32; jurov: btw, i have fully arranged moving my ass deep into western germany... if not for pet's problems would prolly already be there
12:34 jurov lolk
12:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49400 @ 0.00030396 = 15.0156 BTC [+]
12:52 ben_vulpes <asciilifeform> gavin & the merry band of shitgnomes used their magic key to transmit 'Warning: This version is obsolete, upgrade required!' << 'alerts' can be delivered per-node?
12:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36483 @ 0.00030408 = 11.0938 BTC [+] {2}
12:56 ben_vulpes <asciilifeform> when i say 'pet' i mean very specific technical term, 'creature kept around for company that isn't required to produce milk, pull cart, turn millstone' << opposite of good husbandry, ftr
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13:07 mats http://news.usni.org/2015/05/26/document-chinas-military-strategy
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13:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71607 @ 0.00029627 = 21.215 BTC [-] {2}
13:50 danielpbarron !up ascii_field
13:59 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146462 << pray tell, why ?
13:59 assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 16:56:58; ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> when i say 'pet' i mean very specific technical term, 'creature kept around for company that isn't required to produce milk, pull cart, turn millstone' << opposite of good husbandry, ftr
14:05 ben_vulpes livestock vs pets
14:05 ascii_field i keep pet. other people, if they like, can keep livestock
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14:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100200 @ 0.00029267 = 29.3255 BTC [-]
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14:26 ben_vulpes !up ascii_field
14:26 ben_vulpes not husbandry in the marital sense, ascii_field
14:29 ascii_field i still don't get it
14:38 mats http://warontherocks.com/2015/05/the-a-10-the-f-35-and-the-future-of-close-air-support-part-i
14:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00029477 = 3.6699 BTC [+]
14:39 mats so, whats going on here is that the USAF has been trying to kill the A-10 aircraft for some time now, largely on the basis that they don't really give a shit about the Army and don't want to provide support to other programs with money from their own budget
14:41 mats which would be fine except there's no way to replace the capability of the A-10 with something else
14:42 ascii_field good riddance and three cheers to the eventual replacement of all usg aircraft with paper airplanes.
14:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18721 @ 0.00029477 = 5.5184 BTC [+]
14:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79036 @ 0.00029268 = 23.1323 BTC [-] {3}
14:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.0002924 = 8.3626 BTC [-]
15:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65500 @ 0.00029477 = 19.3074 BTC [+]
15:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 155507 @ 0.00029958 = 46.5868 BTC [+] {6}
15:11 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146367 << 45G .bitcoin/
15:11 assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 14:44:35; jurov: danielpbarron: how big is .bitcoin on pogo?
15:11 jurov wow
15:12 danielpbarron solidly in the "you need a 64g thing" territory
15:13 danielpbarron it's about the same size on my non-pogo node; how big is it for the "core" implementation
15:17 mod6 my full sync's (non-pogo) with v0.5.3.1 are about the same 44-45Gb
15:22 jurov 44G, too
15:22 jurov on 0.10
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15:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18799 @ 0.00030703 = 5.7719 BTC [+] {2}
15:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3301 @ 0.00030854 = 1.0185 BTC [+]
15:44 mircea_popescu ascii_field for the record ben_vulpes has a point. unmilked cow gets mastitis, unexercised slavegirl gets neurosis.
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15:45 mircea_popescu jurov seems they're making the point quite plainly : "we call this encryption, but really it's only intended to keep your pictures on stolen phones away from the thief. nothing absolutely to do with security, just a gimmick"
15:45 mircea_popescu the age old new jersey 90%.
15:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00030025 = 12.3703 BTC [-]
15:46 jurov more like "intended to keep application data away from phone owner"
15:46 mircea_popescu mats not just the thunderbolt. same story with the warthog. idea being basically "we wish to move on from this real-items tethered system of bezzle to a system of pure bezzle. we do not wish to have any further actual items involved in the entire allocation and expenditure of budgets thing"
15:46 jurov pics are nowhere mentioned, they§ll stay unencrypted
15:47 mircea_popescu i can see why, too. if there's no actual items involved there's much less risk to doing it all, as nobody can ever be shown definitively to have fucked up.
15:47 mircea_popescu the social "sciences" approach to life.
15:47 mircea_popescu jurov well all is good then :D
15:48 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
15:48 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146494 << l0l who said unexercised.
15:48 assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 19:44:02; mircea_popescu: ascii_field for the record ben_vulpes has a point. unmilked cow gets mastitis, unexercised slavegirl gets neurosis.
15:52 mircea_popescu ascii_field well inasmuch as that's what "produce milk, pull cart, turn millstone" means, you did.
15:53 ascii_field i do agree, pets must be exercised properly
15:53 ascii_field but there is more than one way to do it.
15:54 ascii_field some kinds of pet, for instance, may be turned loose to roam and hunt
15:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66150 @ 0.00030856 = 20.4112 BTC [+] {2}
15:54 ascii_field others - walked, on a leash
16:00 mircea_popescu http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8a/30mm_GAU-8_Avenger_round.jpg << warthog bullets ftr
16:02 ascii_field unrelated: anybody locate the inevitable pgp client which only looks at bottom (or top) 32 bits of each 64-bit modulus chunk when computing fingerprint ?
16:02 ascii_field because we know that it exists
16:02 ascii_field just not -which-.
16:02 mircea_popescu hunt for it has been ongoing, but we don't have one yet
16:03 mircea_popescu the chumps derping about self-importantly on "cryptographic" "lists" etc are certainly using it - but so far too dumb to realise they shyould be looking.
16:03 * mircea_popescu waves at idiots.
16:03 ascii_field perhaps time for a bounty ?
16:03 * ascii_field checks back pockets for loose coins
16:05 mircea_popescu unbountyable
16:05 ascii_field ?
16:05 mircea_popescu (i could diddle one too, what use is it. we need the actual item, not something custom made)
16:06 ascii_field naturally bounty would require proving that the animal existed in the wild prior to the discovery
16:06 ascii_field this is not entirely impossible
16:09 mircea_popescu i'd much rather take someone's word. which requires people motivated by their own functioning head.
16:09 ascii_field i conjecture that the overlap of these and the folks using chump-pgp is a null set
16:10 ascii_field so it'll have to be a digging expedition
16:10 ascii_field complete with ancient versions of winblows, etc
16:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103200 @ 0.00030914 = 31.9032 BTC [+] {2}
16:12 mircea_popescu since we were discussing airplanes : f-15, pretty much the only successful military jet to be ever designed and produced by the us by itself, has cost ~35 bn for the ~1200 items produced, and has managed a total kill score of ~100.
16:12 mircea_popescu this means each aerial victory the us has obtained through its most successful program to date cost ~350 million dollars.
16:13 mircea_popescu anyone wonder why they prefer to win imaginary victories via bribing whatever newspaper is fashionable that day ? shit's damned expensive.
16:13 ascii_field mircea_popescu: very much broken assumption here, though
16:13 ascii_field mircea_popescu: the airplane was not built for victories
16:13 mircea_popescu i don't care what people intend.
16:13 ascii_field mircea_popescu: it was made to 1) intimidate 2) churn money
16:14 ascii_field afaik it works great for 1+2 and therefore meets spec
16:15 mircea_popescu mig 21 was never intimidated by it.
16:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20633 @ 0.00030849 = 6.3651 BTC [-]
16:29 mircea_popescu speaking of pets, milk & all, http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdlu6dN1EE1r4oqcfo1_500.gif
16:31 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
16:32 * ascii_field just noticed anal pattern in mircea_popescu's links
16:32 mircea_popescu anal patel ?
16:33 ascii_field just that iirc all of the gurlz are being buggered
16:33 ascii_field 'different strokes for different folks' (TM) (R)
16:33 mircea_popescu maybe they're gay.
16:39 mircea_popescu by special demand : http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me9bqaiYSO1qivwiwo1_1280.jpg
16:43 * ascii_field amused that ^this is exotic while buggery - sop
16:43 ascii_field 'the irish maidens have not lost their virtue, merely misplaced it by an inch' (TM) (R)
16:43 mircea_popescu romanian expression of superlative chickdom being, "as fute-o si-n pizda"
16:43 mircea_popescu "i'd fuck her even in the cunt!"
16:45 ascii_field l0l
16:46 ascii_field i don't get it, how did buggery become the 'standard' ?
16:46 * ascii_field isn't tickled by the idea at all, confesses
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16:47 * ascii_field finds it an utterly incomprehensible taste, like the idea of fucking a garden hose
17:01 mircea_popescu ever tried it ?
17:01 ascii_field garden hose is far ahead on the list of what to try
17:02 ascii_field as is old boot
17:02 ascii_field and accordion
17:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24617 @ 0.00030849 = 7.5941 BTC [-]
17:02 mircea_popescu so you don't understand the appeal of something you've never tried. not so remarkable neh ?
17:02 mircea_popescu unrelatedly, weirdest video of today https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7J87UP-9Ww
17:03 mircea_popescu take that vexual.
17:03 mircea_popescu !up ascii_field
17:04 ascii_field i haven't tried coprophagia either
17:04 ascii_field have you?
17:05 ascii_field perhaps it is instantly addictive!
17:07 mircea_popescu i know some people that have, let's put it this way.
17:08 mircea_popescu but the error here's thinking of sexual behaviour in objective terms. there's no such thing.
17:08 ascii_field well yes.
17:08 ascii_field hence the 'different stokes' proverb
17:08 mircea_popescu or as that chick in pride and prejudice points out, "sometimes it seems like wanting someone to stick his finger in your nose"
17:08 * ascii_field had not read it
17:09 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2015#1145139 << also, not anal.
17:09 assbot Logged on 26-05-2015 09:03:12; mircea_popescu: in other news, this is why the girl should be taller than you : http://31.media.tumblr.com/20c2f2e3dd873ef89624ae370538a6da/tumblr_mub7xj0noX1sjfxgho1_400.gif
17:10 ascii_field ambiguous
17:10 ascii_field but i can see it.
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17:30 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146556 <<< i know eh, they poop from there after all
17:30 assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 20:46:33; *: ascii_field isn't tickled by the idea at all, confesses
17:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25377 @ 0.00030025 = 7.6194 BTC [-]
17:41 danielpbarron http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp << is boost only needed for the FOREACH loops and some hardware control stuff in the mining functions?
17:42 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
17:42 danielpbarron !up ascii_field
17:42 ascii_field danielpbarron: needed for just about all of the data structures !
17:42 ascii_field srsly
17:42 ascii_field whole thing is, quite arguably, written 'in' boost rather than cpp proper
17:43 danielpbarron is it possible to replace all the foreach loops with regular old for loops?
17:43 ascii_field danielpbarron: in principle. bloating the code 20x
17:44 ascii_field and you would have to replace the lists, hashmaps, etc. with something equivalent
17:45 mircea_popescu yeah sadly this is not really distinct from plain rewrite
17:46 ascii_field not only this, but the inevitable result would be a re-implementation of 'boost.'
17:47 ascii_field cpp is a turd and it is boost which was used here to keep the turd sufficiently solid for lathe work
17:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171756 @ 0.00030673 = 52.6827 BTC [+] {4}
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18:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50266 @ 0.00031128 = 15.6468 BTC [+] {2}
18:21 mod6 <+ascii_field> whole thing is, quite arguably, written 'in' boost rather than cpp proper << i saw some power-ranger derping in -dev about how it only use boost for "FOREACH" loops. was thinking "have you actually even read the code?!?"
18:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.0002996 = 2.7264 BTC [-] {2}
18:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50300 @ 0.00029653 = 14.9155 BTC [-] {3}
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18:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27719 @ 0.00029225 = 8.1009 BTC [-] {2}
19:11 williamdunne How is everyone doing?
19:15 BingoBoingo Eh, doing
19:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32876 @ 0.00029173 = 9.5909 BTC [-] {2}
19:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15883 @ 0.00029071 = 4.6173 BTC [-] {2}
19:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35700 @ 0.00029115 = 10.3941 BTC [+]
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19:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13146 @ 0.00029115 = 3.8275 BTC [+]
19:57 trinque ;;later tell gabriel_laddel I did a git pull, and now the repl fills with dots perpetually instead of freezing, looks like the stumpwm process is doing a lot
19:57 gribble The operation succeeded.
20:00 BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2015#1146331 << Can confirm
20:00 assbot Logged on 27-05-2015 14:31:51; asciilifeform: gavin & the merry band of shitgnomes used their magic key to transmit 'Warning: This version is obsolete, upgrade required!'
20:02 danielpbarron ^ also can confirm
20:02 BingoBoingo Apparently when this started http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2015/05/21#l1432217513.0
20:03 mats https://plus.google.com/+gimp/posts/cxhB1PScFpe
20:04 BingoBoingo Not questioner is refered to https://archive.is/F1OK7 which does not mention latest alert
20:05 mats SourceForge has been diddling downloads for some years...
20:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13750 @ 0.0003115 = 4.2831 BTC [+]
20:11 mats https://youtu.be/-qqx3_e-kCA
20:12 danielpbarron lol gimp on winblows? is it so hard to crack photoshop these days?
20:14 williamdunne copy amtlib.dll paste
20:22 BingoBoingo Oh, and look what just popped up on reddit after being mentioned here another time: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/37j3cf/network_alert_circulating/
20:25 * ben_vulpes surfaces
20:26 ben_vulpes <ascii_field> i do agree, pets must be exercised properly << exercise for pets. yokes for my oxen, saddles for my horses, mice for my cats, and coyotes for my dogs.
20:27 mats a weighted vest is incredible for training a dog
20:28 mats and so are weighted toys
20:40 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.loper-os.org/pub/32rng.jpg
20:41 gribble The operation succeeded.
20:41 asciilifeform ^ just in now
20:44 BingoBoingo Beautiful
20:45 BingoBoingo So what all versions of bitcoin has everyone here been seeing alerts on? 0.7 series here. danielpbarron?
20:48 asciilifeform https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/2a822987dd710427328fa458a4141e060c39a755/src/main.cpp#L2019
20:49 asciilifeform ^ possible answer to the riddle
20:49 asciilifeform ^ shitgnome key not involved; but proliferation of shitgnomiferous nodes leads to the trap
20:49 danielpbarron yeah 0.7.2 here
20:49 danielpbarron did not see it on my 0.5.3.x
20:49 danielpbarron confirming that the patch did in fact remove it
20:49 asciilifeform danielpbarron: because the trap isn't there
20:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77116 @ 0.00031081 = 23.9684 BTC [-] {3}
20:56 BingoBoingo Oh, apparently that reddit post has a comment, but it is invisibru
21:07 BingoBoingo http://i.imgur.com/sNSMMbz.jpg
21:13 cazalla i've been getting those alerts for some months and i get hit with orphans and other shit when it happens and have to use a backup to start again
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21:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6782 @ 0.00030922 = 2.0971 BTC [-]
21:51 BingoBoingo MPOE seems like It's been awfully stable at the 3 mark lately
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22:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18150 @ 0.00030714 = 5.5746 BTC [-] {2}
22:10 mats its bumming me out
22:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.0003045 = 4.7807 BTC [-]
22:16 * BingoBoingo may or may not be backing into MPOE monthly. Provided a given person didn't put too much into MPOE at 8+ and MPOE stabilizes long term near 5, could still be profitable.
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22:36 decimation asciilifeform: didn't you need a note from stalin to shop in the dollar store in su?
22:37 decimation surely some prole showing up with dollars would be enough cause to send the local security to check him out
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22:58 decimation !up Jrum
22:58 decimation !up mogreen
22:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00030494 = 8.6603 BTC [+]
23:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26608 @ 0.00031178 = 8.2958 BTC [+] {2}
23:03 asciilifeform decimation: more complicated than this. you couldn't spend dollars per se in there, had to use special 'funny money'
23:03 asciilifeform which one got either by trading in dollars at airport (if you are a foreign tourist) or by having been paid in it in the first place, on account of being diplomatic staff or similar
23:03 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: So like the strip club
23:04 asciilifeform wai wat
23:04 asciilifeform what strip club works like this ?
23:04 decimation asciilifeform: so this was mainly limited to foreign embassy staff?
23:05 asciilifeform decimation: this particular variant of the 'k00l k1dz' store - yes
23:05 asciilifeform there were others
23:05 asciilifeform not sure if a complete list even exists
23:05 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: A number of shittier ones. You trade dollars for "club money" dancers trade the club monopoly money for dollars. Like casino chips, but more tarded
23:05 BingoBoingo !up kalki
23:05 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: presumably this is done to smooth the vig collection ?
23:06 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: indeed
23:06 kalki grettings
23:06 decimation kinda ths same idea at casinos?
23:06 kalki greetings
23:06 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: also for revenue reasons. No customer wants to wait to cash back into outside money at the end of the night.
23:07 BingoBoingo !up tcrypt
23:08 asciilifeform decimation: on second look, there were 'beriozka' ('birch') shops which took dollars directly
23:08 asciilifeform mainly near hotels.
23:08 asciilifeform https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%91%D0%B7%D0%BA%D0%B0_%28%D1%81%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%8C_%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%29#/media/File:%D0%A7%D0%B5%D0%BA.JPG
23:09 asciilifeform ^ funnymoney
23:09 asciilifeform back side reads 'this cheque is not subject to resale'
23:09 asciilifeform abolished in '88.
23:10 asciilifeform amusing story was, that the closure was announced in advance. and holders of the 'cheques' struggled to cash them in, somehow, somewhere
23:10 asciilifeform was a kind of 'bitcoin gem'
23:11 asciilifeform the shops ended up 'privatized'
23:11 asciilifeform and eventually disappeared
23:12 decimation heh that's amusing
23:12 asciilifeform in '91 dollars were legalized
23:12 asciilifeform and the remaining 'birch' took them directly from all-comers.
23:13 asciilifeform (to clarify, 'cheques' were abolished in '88, rather than the k00l k1dz shops)
23:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58000 @ 0.00031329 = 18.1708 BTC [+] {4}
23:14 * asciilifeform never saw one of these things alive, only knows secondhand
23:14 decimation so presumably these 'cheques' were only handed out to foreigners and people with notes from stalin
23:15 asciilifeform aha.
23:16 decimation I wouldn't mind collecting a few of those
23:16 decimation I would add them to my collection of weimar notes
23:17 asciilifeform decimation: could easily expand the collection with a dozen kinds of sov-era toilet paper
23:18 asciilifeform http://img35.olx.ua/images_slandocomua/132220713_3_644x461_kupony-ukraina-unc-kollektsionirovanie.jpg
23:19 * asciilifeform traded a shoebox full of these ^ for his first $1 usd
23:20 decimation heh all the pastel colors
23:20 asciilifeform these, incidentally, were printed on machines hastily flown in from usa
23:20 asciilifeform and there were some interesting production glitches
23:20 decimation http://snyderstreasures.com/images/paper/currency/5RM1Aug42F.jpg < the third reich currency is of much better quality (i have a couple of these too)
23:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50000 @ 0.00030578 = 15.289 BTC [-]
23:21 asciilifeform who's the fella in the picture ?
23:21 decimation donno, some dude I guess. I have another with a young woman on it too
23:21 decimation 'hitlerjunge'
23:24 asciilifeform https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%86#/media/File:UkraineP55-200Karbowanez-1942_f.jpg << occupation ua
23:25 asciilifeform mostly western ua, did not circulate in romanian zone
23:25 asciilifeform speaking of which,
23:26 * asciilifeform spotted a gurl from transylvania today; she worked in a restaurant; queried based on accent, familiar from hanging out with mircea_popescu
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23:27 asciilifeform this is only 2nd or 3rd time i ran into anyone from ro in 22+ yrs of sitting in usa
23:27 asciilifeform generally these folks have better sense than to come here.
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23:28 decimation my father had some romanian carpenters set his nice wood floor
23:29 decimation heh > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsmark < "The Soviet Union demanded copies of the engraving plates, ink, and associated equipment in early 1944, and on 14 April 1944 Henry Morgenthau and Harry Dexter White of the U.S. Treasury Department authorized the immediate air transfer of these to the USSR. Using a printing plant in occupied Leipzig, the Soviet authorities printed large runs of occupation marks. Since these were converti
23:30 asciilifeform this encounter was actually very interesting, because even from across the room and with naked eye, could tell she was not from usa --
23:30 asciilifeform because had a human face instead of 'robotic statue'
23:30 decimation heh
23:30 asciilifeform i almost wanted to ask 'what are you doing here, in the kingdom of malicious robots, fellow earthling'
23:30 decimation in my experience this is worse on the east coast
23:31 decimation I think people's reaction to high population density is to treat humans as if they were robots
23:31 asciilifeform can't say that we have 'tokyo' population density here in d.c. suburbs.
23:31 asciilifeform if anything, far lower than, e.g., buenos aires
23:31 asciilifeform but here - robots, there - people.
23:32 decimation yeah that's a fair point.
23:33 decimation perhaps it's the narcissism. "your real self" is only shown to those whom you select
23:33 asciilifeform perhaps only behind closed doors
23:33 decimation after all, if you could see the size of the egos in the dc area you would find tokyo roomy
23:33 asciilifeform when talking to chums, etc. in public, these folks have precisely same face.
23:34 * asciilifeform is speaking of women, primarily; men seem to wear proverbial 'poker face' just about anywhere
23:37 decimation asciilifeform: I wonder what it was like to walk around in a society where marriages were arranged
23:37 decimation thus freeing women from unwanted sexual attention to some degree
23:38 decimation !up mogreen
23:43 decimation !up Xuthus
23:50 asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt0BJ0QE-9Y << mega-relevant
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23:51 asciilifeform ^ 18th episode of ru cult-cartoon 'just you wait' - a kind of sov. equivalent of american 'tom & jerry', takes place in 'beriozka' shop
23:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00030836 = 5.0879 BTC [+]
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