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00:00 decimation how to fit std::map and std::vector in head? bastards designed by committee
00:00 asciilifeform which is why i think that at a certain point the advantage of a 'bitcoin' which can be -understood- will outweigh the danger of failing to enumerate every possible corner case of the original turd when crafting the ada safety-critical bitcoinatron
00:01 decimation yes. but until that point comes, I agree that there's alot of cruft in there - there's no reason why working memory needs to be gigabytes
00:03 asciilifeform we'll know when it comes when the folks who have skin in the game say it did..
00:03 asciilifeform (see excellent old thread re: this subject)
00:04 decimation the folks being everyone holding bitcoin (with expectation of trading them for something)
00:06 decimation asciilifeform: amusingly the yugoslav guy said that 'his' design included an audio cassette for program storage (using simple FSK I presume)
00:06 asciilifeform that was sop
00:07 asciilifeform where else are you gonna store
00:07 decimation he said that the yugoslav radio station would actually interrupt music broadcast to send - fsk encodings of z80 games
00:07 * asciilifeform has trouble believing that this came to any good unless you lived next door to the station
00:08 decimation well, if the SNR was high and the bitrate was low, it would work well enough
00:08 decimation I suspect it was something like 300 baud "bell 202" type modem
00:09 * asciilifeform as a boy sometimes listened to his brother's 'bk-0010' tapes
00:09 asciilifeform we didn't have the thing at home. just the tapes
00:10 asciilifeform (his school didn't have tape decks, you had to bring yer own if family had one)
00:10 decimation heh interesting
00:11 decimation Yeah before flash and cheap hard drives/floppy drives your only option was tape
00:11 decimation or 'prom'
00:11 asciilifeform tape was the mega-storage because just about everyone could beg/borrow/steal a deck
00:11 asciilifeform no special hardware needed
00:12 decimation yeah also common and cheap I guess
00:13 asciilifeform incidentally, long after connecting analogue tape decks to computer was a forgotten misery in the west, ru folks were connecting vcr and getting respectable (10-20G) backup
00:13 asciilifeform as late as early 2000s
00:14 asciilifeform vhs tape can hold a surprising amount (helical scan head!) but tends to rot rather quickly
00:15 decimation yeah you would need heavy forward error correction
00:15 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> which is why i think that at a certain point >> that point is conceivably after our times.
00:15 asciilifeform definitely after my time.
00:16 decimation mircea_popescu: you think folks will make do with shit c++ code for our lifetime?
00:16 mircea_popescu <decimation> he said that the yugoslav radio station would actually interrupt music broadcast to send - fsk encodings of z80 games << i had games i had downloaded off the natl tv station.
00:16 mircea_popescu CRACKED games.
00:16 decimation heh that's amusing
00:16 decimation for c64?
00:16 asciilifeform decimation: c64 was not a z80 box
00:16 mircea_popescu for tim-s
00:16 mircea_popescu which was a z80 clone.
00:16 decimation yeah I know
00:16 decimation ah interesting
00:17 decimation c64 had a version of 6502 like apple II
00:17 mircea_popescu this was the 48kb + 16kb for basic interpreter thing
00:18 mircea_popescu but you could also wipe the 16kb if you never called the thing, via DMA of the time
00:18 mircea_popescu user could poke arbitrary ram
00:18 mircea_popescu (instruction being called... POKE)
00:18 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: interpreter wasn't in rom on your thing ?
00:18 mircea_popescu the notion of "allocation" being unknown. of course it's allocated - the machine's on isn't it ?
00:18 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it was in rom and copied to the ram at startup iirc
00:18 asciilifeform ah
00:18 mircea_popescu not run FROM rom
00:19 decimation from the comments on that yugoslav interview: "Also, there was not a ?ban on importing computers? in former Yugoslavia ? it was a by-product of a (stupid) government policy of trying to stop the drain of foreign currency. The customs law prevented a legal import of any goods that cost more than 100 DM (German marks, about 50 Euros in todays money). "
00:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33139 @ 0.00031476 = 10.4308 BTC [-]
00:19 asciilifeform exercise for readers: describe -why- it was common (as is today) not to run directly from rom.
00:20 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'peek' and 'poke' were sop on c64 and most micros of the time, aha
00:21 asciilifeform the two most useful 'basic' keywords, yes.
00:21 asciilifeform arguably none of the others needed to be learned..
00:22 decimation asciilifeform: was it because loading the contents of the rom into ram allowed a single address space?
00:22 asciilifeform decimation: it was a single address space no matter what
00:22 asciilifeform (not one of these things had an mmu, nor was there any conceivable need for such a thing on a single-process os)
00:23 asciilifeform the reason is that you can do local vars ('static' to a 'c' programmer) in ram
00:23 asciilifeform but in rom, you need a ram stack/heap and can't simply shit where you eat
00:24 decimation it seems that you could pull this off
00:24 decimation but it would be highly non-portable
00:24 asciilifeform you can - but it takes planning
00:24 asciilifeform x86 never runs from rom. not even on warmup when sdram waitstate timer is not yet initialized
00:25 asciilifeform (how? 'cache as ram' mode of x86 cpu)
00:26 asciilifeform hypothetically, one could run an x86 box without any ram inserted, given a clever bios made for this occasion.
00:26 asciilifeform i thought about actually making this, some years ago, as it had useful applications
00:26 decimation especially with modern cpus that have tons of cache
00:27 asciilifeform (cpu is warm and 'remanence' is a non-issue. think, crypto.)
00:27 decimation plus low power, small form factor
00:27 asciilifeform and no wait-cycles
00:27 asciilifeform good for data-compact number crunching problems
00:27 asciilifeform (of the kind i was working on with al schwartz and others)
00:27 decimation to the poor slav z80 coder, the 'naked' xeon has embarassingly rich resources
00:28 asciilifeform hell, the 8MB cache of my ancient 'opteron' is more than i had in my 486dx2
00:28 asciilifeform (of total ram)
00:29 decimation asciilifeform: ideally you would want to connect this naked cpu to others via the memory bus
00:30 decimation but God help the poor soul who would try
00:30 asciilifeform nah we're talking about off-the-shelf iron
00:30 asciilifeform and making best use thereof
00:30 asciilifeform but i have thought about connecting generic x86 boxen via the ram slots
00:30 decimation well, off the shelf you could attach to a good 10gigE card with netboot
00:30 asciilifeform $$$$$$$
00:30 decimation yeah exactly
00:31 decimation it would be cheap to use a 1 gige, but it would also have sad throughput
00:31 asciilifeform ethernet, also, has ludicrous cpu overhead
00:31 asciilifeform so the maximal throughputs are virtually never reached in practice
00:31 decimation yeah, especially if ip stack
00:33 asciilifeform (connection via ram slots is not, as it may appear, lunacy, but could be done with fpga, which would pretend to be a slice of sdram to two boxes at the same time, ignoring refresh cycles and managing locking somehow)
00:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23850 @ 0.00032766 = 7.8147 BTC [+] {2}
00:35 decimation yeah I can imagine it for a pair of cpus, but what if you wanted N cpus?
00:35 asciilifeform there was an outfit which sold something quite like this (fpga on sdram stick) and even one in the shape of a cpu, which could sit down in ordinary cpu socket on multisocket mb
00:35 decimation I suppose a ring of some sort
00:35 asciilifeform but it got nsa'd
00:35 asciilifeform ring, yes
00:35 asciilifeform or preferably 2d fabric
00:36 asciilifeform (compass arrows)
00:36 decimation yeah
00:36 asciilifeform hell, crossbars.
00:36 asciilifeform i assume that the folks who a) want this b) can afford it --- have it.
00:36 asciilifeform as always.
00:39 decimation yeah, but if they can afford it they can also probably also afford to design a custom motherboard
00:39 asciilifeform economy of scale
00:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38444 @ 0.0003267 = 12.5597 BTC [-]
00:40 asciilifeform can get that many more generic turdboards for same price
00:40 asciilifeform ever since the '1024 chickens' transition, that is generally how it was done
00:42 asciilifeform folks with infinite money do bake own mb, yes
00:42 asciilifeform but even there, there are not ten thousand on one board
00:42 asciilifeform usually there is some interconnection bus.
00:42 asciilifeform (between boards)
00:42 decimation the original 'cray' machines used differential ecl lines
00:42 asciilifeform 'hippi' aha
00:42 asciilifeform or what was it.
00:46 decimation "Each cable between the modules was a twisted pair, cut to a specific length in order to guarantee the signals arrived at precisely the right time and minimize electrical reflection. Each signal produced by the ECL circuitry was a differential pair, so the signals were balanced. " < https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cray-1
00:47 asciilifeform exotic then, but today every piece of shit lcd is plugged in through something entirely like this.
00:47 decimation heh yeah. or pcie
00:48 asciilifeform just about anything.
00:48 asciilifeform try find a pc mb without 'meanders'
00:49 decimation well, with clock rates above 500 mhz, your pcb starts to look like an rf transmission line
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01:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45800 @ 0.00032774 = 15.0105 BTC [+]
01:24 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> arguably none of the others needed to be learned.. randomize usr eh.
01:34 mircea_popescu "and managing locking somehow" win of the day award lol
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01:34 mircea_popescu alternatively, it would be 72 cubits high, translucent, ageless, nonmenstruating and deliver pregnancy to term within the day
01:38 mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/stoya/status/604010790950150144
01:42 mircea_popescu mostly because http://trenchcoatx.com/about lulz. "We believe in high quality product, fair prices for the consumer, and fair pay for the people who work for us. Right now we’re in beta, figuring out how these values fit into today’s adult entertainment industry. "
01:43 mircea_popescu glhf. the problems of being born in the 80s, ie, too late.
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03:42 punkman http://arstechnica.co.uk/business/2015/05/data-furnaces-arrive-in-europe-free-heating-if-you-have-fibre-internet/
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03:50 mircea_popescu amusingly, this is EXACTLY how communists ran their industry in romania of the 60s
03:50 mircea_popescu "free heating if you live next to a mfg plant!"
03:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00031723 = 4.0923 BTC [+]
03:52 mircea_popescu "eRadiators makes the data more secure: "It becomes nearly impossible to know what data is where, when it is there and how to get to it," Nerdalize's Florian Schneider told the BBC."
03:52 mircea_popescu yeah, right.
03:52 mircea_popescu and i have a bridge to sell.
04:02 punkman I wonder how they'll keep the workload at 1kw when the box doesn't have work to do, run some useless code?
04:03 punkman maybe cpu-mine bitcoin for a couple satoshis :P
04:10 punkman mircea_popescu: "free heating if you live next to a mfg plant!" << "Academica has installed a new 2MW database server centre ... Water warmed while cooling the servers will go on to provide heat for 500 homes or 1,000 flats ... After the heat is extracted, the water will be recycled back to cool the servers again."
04:10 punkman not a bad approach if you don't have to suffer the smog I guess
04:12 punkman !up Vexual
04:13 Vexual lol tamper proof, not in my loungeroom
04:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119250 @ 0.00032727 = 39.0269 BTC [+] {4}
04:15 punkman and some frenchies with the same idea http://www.qarnot-computing.com/technology
04:20 Vexual id put a little rainbow sticker on a kb and get alf and mp 'round with a case of cognac
04:21 Vexual tell em its a z80
04:25 scoopbot_revived Planes, trains, automobiles, and atomic dirigibles der Schweiz. http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/29/planes-trains-automobiles-and-atomic-dirigibles-der-schweiz/
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06:00 jurov <ben_vulpes> quick poll: who writes in cursive? << i do, but for internal use only. block letters otherwise
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06:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29187 @ 0.00033108 = 9.6632 BTC [+]
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07:59 mircea_popescu and in other news, http://sidewalkcircus.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/baskethead.jpg
08:00 mircea_popescu punkman the correct way to do this would be with heat exchangers of course.
08:00 mircea_popescu but the arrangement prolly more expensive than the dc
08:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00032721 = 6.6424 BTC [+] {2}
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08:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52500 @ 0.0003331 = 17.4878 BTC [+]
08:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66200 @ 0.00033042 = 21.8738 BTC [-] {2}
08:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52100 @ 0.00033344 = 17.3722 BTC [+] {2}
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09:29 asciilifeform ;;later tell Vexual maxpeers 1 addpeer local doesn't test behaviour against torrential 'orphan' crapolade, and other wild things
09:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103700 @ 0.0003328 = 34.5114 BTC [+] {2}
09:29 gribble The operation succeeded.
09:31 asciilifeform in other news,
09:31 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pub/heap_195115_MEM_LIVE.txt and http://www.loper-os.org/pub/heap_195115_MEM_MAX.txt
09:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30256 @ 0.00033413 = 10.1094 BTC [+] {3}
09:35 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147610 << notice that it wants to vent to the street if you don't want the heat. let me guess, air intake is -not- selectable. this means that it would eat your air-conditioned air in the summer, heat it, and blow to the street. scam.
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09:35 assbot Logged on 29-05-2015 07:42:01; punkman: http://arstechnica.co.uk/business/2015/05/data-furnaces-arrive-in-europe-free-heating-if-you-have-fibre-internet/
09:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23694 @ 0.00033482 = 7.9332 BTC [+]
09:39 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147596 << laugh, but it isn't so hard if you are emulating ordinary sdram. if one side issues a write cycle, the other gets a wait-state signal (gets to think that the dram is in refresh state)
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09:39 assbot Logged on 29-05-2015 05:34:06; mircea_popescu: "and managing locking somehow" win of the day award lol
09:42 asciilifeform ;;later tell jurov 'Source Code Browser' link on http://thebitcoin.foundation/index.html appears to point to unpatched generic 0.5.3 ?
09:43 gribble The operation succeeded.
09:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00031508 = 5.9235 BTC [-]
09:53 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pub/heap_195921_end_total.txt << totals after we sigterm bitcoind
09:54 asciilifeform ^ not especially useful, afaik
09:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50300 @ 0.000321 = 16.1463 BTC [+] {2}
09:55 * mod6 looks
09:55 mod6 btw my test with both of your patches {thermonuke} + {tx amputation} is at 193988
09:57 asciilifeform mod6: post pmap -x -p [yourprocessid] plz
09:59 mod6 ok. -p doens't seem to be a thing...
09:59 mod6 one sec
10:02 mod6 http://dpaste.com/12NDD1X.txt
10:03 asciilifeform ty mod6
10:03 mod6 np
10:03 asciilifeform the interesting number, btw, is 269868
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10:03 asciilifeform (current total of 'dirty pages')
10:03 asciilifeform in kB
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11:23 BingoBoingo Oh lol, Gavin might run of to HearnCoin http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/34155307/
11:27 BingoBoingo Obligatory Derpatary wit much Hernia https://archive.is/SNAlx
11:33 BingoBoingo !up phf
11:34 phf thanks
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12:03 BingoBoingo !up thestringpuller
12:04 BingoBoingo !up phf
12:04 danielpbarron !up rwg
12:04 rwg hello
12:04 rwg about to head out.
12:04 rwg packing the car lol
12:05 danielpbarron no problem; i'll keep upping you till you get a gpg key registered
12:05 rwg lol
12:05 thestringpuller mircea_popescu asciilifeform : http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/34155307/ << this nigga has declared war on the anti-forkers... seems like spinning wheels but knowing hearn, we'll likely see an XT release with the 20MB removed.
12:06 thestringpuller now that axe-time is essentially at doorstep...
12:17 punkman heh http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/bitcoin-development/thread/CANEZrP15X2JbMazMN7Rw2oxums6X-D3m5zBP02YoqTa6UTzfHQ%40mail.gmail.com/
12:18 punkman "There's a feeling on this list that there's no consensus, or that Gavin and myself are on the wrong side of it. I'd put it differently - there's very strong consensus out in the wider community and this list is something of an aberration."
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12:19 danielpbarron EPiSKiNG-, this letter http://qntra.net/2015/05/ulbricht-to-be-sentenced-friday/
12:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18468 @ 0.00033147 = 6.1216 BTC [+]
12:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00033147 = 2.2374 BTC [+]
12:29 danielpbarron !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.Cusipzzz.-1:aa2a317c92fbd75f2a22c41ad0c1e50143a0b05f2b9b8e6adcb1995a92ca2b32
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12:29 assbot Successfully added a rating of -1 for Cusipzzz with note: banned me from -otc for speaking out against the fork
12:29 scoopbot_revived Gavin Threatens to Quit Bitcoin Development and Join Hearn's Fork http://qntra.net/2015/05/gavin-threatens-to-quit-bitcoin-development-and-join-hearns-fork/
12:30 danielpbarron !gettrust assbot Cusipzzz
12:30 assbot Trust relationship from user assbot to user Cusipzzz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=Cusipzzz | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Cusipzzz/
12:30 danielpbarron :D
12:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.00033147 = 11.1042 BTC [+]
12:40 BingoBoingo !up thestringpuller
12:47 BingoBoingo !up Xuthus
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13:06 BingoBoingo Phuctor is closing in on half a million moduli
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13:44 BingoBoingo !up ascii_field
13:49 danielpbarron !up sinetek
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14:15 BingoBoingo !up ascii_field
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14:50 mod6 !up ascii_field
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14:55 ascii_field l0l re: hearniacoin
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15:59 jurov asciilifeform: why do you think? the patches are not there? unless i made a mistake, it is the result of mod6's 0.5.3.1 release build script
16:08 jurov http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000069.html guess imma check against this
16:09 jurov mod6 why did you change directory layout in the .tar.gz? i either lose the ability ot compare it to other versions, or lose all files like README, auto.sh that are on the top level
16:10 jurov (the latter happened in this case)
16:13 jurov and looks like nobody ever followed the manual when submitting additional signatures to the turdatron :(
16:13 mod6 huh?
16:13 * mod6 looks
16:15 jurov mod6: original releases have src folder one level deep, your has it two
16:16 mod6 yeah, this is where these artifacts needed to be.
16:17 jurov and it's ever more important than consistency for comparisons?
16:17 mod6 it didn't make sense to me to build boost, openssl and bdb under the "bitcoin" directory.
16:17 mod6 I didn't have any clue this would impact anything that you had working.
16:19 jurov now you do. it does break recusrive diff
16:19 mod6 where are you having issues with this?
16:20 jurov i will have to flatten the hierarchy before feeding it to lxr browser ( and if you will move files further around, undo that as well)
16:24 jurov if it was convenience for build script, usually build scripts create new directories for their dirty stuff anyway, so i don't see the problem there
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16:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50850 @ 0.00032563 = 16.5583 BTC [-] {2}
16:44 felipelalli hi friends! If I want to sell 1000 BTC in Italy, is that easy to make this off-exchange? Any useful contacts?
16:46 jurov you need them how quickly?
16:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55896 @ 0.00032434 = 18.1293 BTC [-] {2}
16:51 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
16:51 ascii_field http://reason.com/blog/2015/05/29/ross-ulbricht-gets-life-in-silk-roa
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16:55 trinque yep, they're thowing away the key
16:55 trinque *throwing
17:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12932 @ 0.00032167 = 4.1598 BTC [-] {2}
17:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48278 @ 0.00031725 = 15.3162 BTC [-]
17:11 jurov https://twitter.com/chijs/status/603599293602234368 free led bulbs!!!11 :DDD
17:11 jurov no need to fuss with cable tv boxes, even
17:12 ascii_field 'Bitfury developed a light bulb that automatically mines Bitcoin when you screw it in' << for usg, aha
17:15 trinque has the govt announced an auction for the rest of ulbricht's coin?
17:15 ascii_field trinque: didn't agent force walk with it ?
17:16 trinque not sure how much he made off with
17:17 trinque http://www.forbes.com/sites/katevinton/2015/03/30/two-former-federal-agents-charged-with-stealing-bitcoin-during-silk-road-investigation/ << claims 20k were stolen by the agents
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17:19 decimation ascii_field: more interesting is this case: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/05/28/former-house-speaker-dennis-hastert-indicted/
17:20 ascii_field decimation: http://qntra.net/2015/05/former-us-house-speaker-indicted-on-attempting-to-evade-financial-surveillance
17:21 decimation he was indicted by a grand jury for... not telling usg what he was going to do with his cash
17:21 trinque "structuring"
17:21 decimation did you read the indictment?
17:21 ascii_field aha
17:21 decimation it's fucked up. if there's any good call for jury anullment, this is it
17:21 trinque I have not, taking a look
17:21 ascii_field cattle vote precisely as ordered to - whether at election or in jury
17:21 decimation now you know the reality is that the press and the prosecutors are going to talk about how he was dirty bastard or whatever
17:21 decimation but the actual fact is that he didn't submit to the government spies who work in his bank
17:22 decimation !up ascii_field
17:22 decimation another point to note - if the former speaker of the house/k street lobbyist can't access cash in an anonymous way, what chance to regular people have?
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17:23 trinque I wonder if it will ever be known how many usg intelligence agents have been planted in various public offices
17:23 trinque judges, so on
17:23 decimation trinque: there's not need. the bank is illegal if it doesn't comply
17:23 trinque perhaps just being a part of the same govt is enough for them to help each other
17:23 trinque does seem though that certain things always find a willing judge
17:24 decimation well, they are elected by the same cattle generally
17:24 trinque I always think of Jessie Ventura's story about being summoned to DC for questioning by the CIA
17:24 trinque topic of "where the fuck did you come from?"
17:25 ascii_field <decimation> another point to note - if the former speaker of the house/k street lobbyist can't access cash in an anonymous way, what chance to regular people have? << if he is on trial, then it follows that he first fell from grace
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17:25 felipelalli jurov: I'm not sure yet, it is not for me, but to my father. As soon I have more details, can I contact you in pvt?
17:25 ascii_field otherwise he would be untouchable
17:26 decimation yeah, somebody somewhere pulled the trigger, no doubt
17:26 decimation probably because of political enmity or whatever
17:26 jurov felipelalli: yes you can
17:26 felipelalli jurov: thank you.
17:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54000 @ 0.00031714 = 17.1256 BTC [-] {3}
17:33 danielpbarron https://i.imgur.com/OEqzSmC.png >> ...that thumbnail...
17:38 jurov win.
17:40 trinque ahaha
17:40 trinque opening trilema in public is always a dice roll
17:41 jurov felipelalli: i recommend explaining to your father asap that it's better not to sell whole package at once
17:42 felipelalli jurov: I said that to him. He said he'll study to keep (or distribute) some part in bitcoin. I already found sellers here in Brazil.
17:43 trinque decimation: in reading the indictment of the former speaker, the terrible consequences of using "intent" as a legal concept are apparent
17:43 trinque allows for a black hole of thoughtcrime charges
17:43 williamdunne felipelalli: You want to sell? I might be able to organize this for you
17:44 williamdunne !gettrust williamdunne felipelalli
17:44 assbot Trust relationship from user williamdunne to user felipelalli: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=williamdunne&to=felipelalli | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/felipelalli/
17:45 trinque it also brings to mind the way these things develop, where first intent may be something which increases or decreases the legal severity of some other crime, but over time becomes a crime all its own
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17:46 felipelalli williamdunne: move usd from Brazil to Italy. My father is studying to use bitcoin. A Brazilian exchange is helping me with that but the problem now is find buyers in Italy.
17:46 felipelalli williamdunne: are you Italian?
17:48 williamdunne I am not italian but I have access to euro
17:48 williamdunne You don't need money in Italy, you need money in Europe
17:48 williamdunne All the same money..
17:48 williamdunne But yes, I can't organize 200k in cash but I can probably find a buyer via bank transfer
17:48 felipelalli williamdunne: they can make free transfer between different countries?
17:49 williamdunne Yes, but why would you care about free on a deal that large?
17:49 felipelalli williamdunne: "free" I mean cheap.
17:49 williamdunne Yeah one or two euro
17:49 felipelalli it's free :)
17:50 williamdunne Aha, well yes. But on 1000 bitcoin even a wire transfer at 20 euros isn't really a problem :D
17:50 felipelalli sure!! :)
17:50 williamdunne But yes, do you need this? I will speak to someone
17:50 felipelalli But 1% would be a problem.
17:50 williamdunne Sure
17:50 felipelalli I have to talk with him again. I'm waiting his call.
17:50 felipelalli thank you guys.
17:51 williamdunne Sure thing, I'll PM you if I know someone interested
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18:19 jurov wiring 200k euro isn't a problem if you're a company that does it like, every month
18:20 williamdunne Yeah thats fine, I could handle that
18:25 scoopbot_revived Ross Ulbricht Sentenced To Life In Prison http://qntra.net/2015/05/ross-ulbricht-sentenced-to-life-in-prison/
18:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.00032949 = 10.4448 BTC [+]
18:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10699 @ 0.00032904 = 3.5204 BTC [-]
18:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66800 @ 0.00032974 = 22.0266 BTC [+] {2}
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19:12 mircea_popescu hey check it out, nsa-dev goes to join ver-foundation in the pile of relevancy ?
19:12 mircea_popescu this is good for bitcoin.
19:16 mircea_popescu !rated sipa
19:16 assbot You have not rated sipa.
19:16 mircea_popescu ;;later tell sipa if you want to join #b-a and actually work on bitcoin for a change, i'll rate you so you can voice.
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19:16 gribble The operation succeeded.
19:16 mircea_popescu !rated BlueMatt
19:16 assbot You rated user BlueMatt on 06-May-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: one of the very few dudes in -dev actually doing something useful..
19:17 mircea_popescu ;;later tell BlueMatt if you want to join #b-a and actually work on bitcoin for a change, you have a rating already, so you can voice.
19:17 gribble The operation succeeded.
19:19 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147610 << incidentally, the fact that this has been funded is proof positive that bezzle IT industry broadly agrees with me : moore's law is dead.
19:19 assbot Logged on 29-05-2015 07:42:01; punkman: http://arstechnica.co.uk/business/2015/05/data-furnaces-arrive-in-europe-free-heating-if-you-have-fibre-internet/
19:19 mircea_popescu there's no expectation the contents of the boxes be obsolete any time before it amortises.
19:21 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147632 << i do, whenever i write by hand. the women and nurses can usually read it, but not really anyone else.
19:21 assbot Logged on 29-05-2015 10:00:11; jurov: <ben_vulpes> quick poll: who writes in cursive? << i do, but for internal use only. block letters otherwise
19:23 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147659 << obviously eats your air. engineering assumption being "where could we get a fixed 20 degrees source ?", otherwise who'd bother with the meatsacks.
19:23 assbot Logged on 29-05-2015 13:35:27; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147610 << notice that it wants to vent to the street if you don't want the heat. let me guess, air intake is -not- selectable. this means that it would eat your air-conditioned air in the summer, heat it, and blow to the street. scam.
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19:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36255 @ 0.00033716 = 12.2237 BTC [+] {2}
19:24 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147662 << in principle, but this is eminently one of those cases where the difference between theory and practice is that in practice theory does not exist.
19:24 assbot Logged on 29-05-2015 13:39:18; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147596 << laugh, but it isn't so hard if you are emulating ordinary sdram. if one side issues a write cycle, the other gets a wait-state signal (gets to think that the dram is in refresh state)
19:24 mircea_popescu "in theory, there's no difference between theory and practice, while in practice theory does not exist." fify!
19:26 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147678 << does your 32 mb inner core feel encouraged by this ? :D
19:26 assbot Logged on 29-05-2015 14:03:10; asciilifeform: the interesting number, btw, is 269868
19:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45050 @ 0.00033891 = 15.2679 BTC [+] {2}
19:41 mircea_popescu as BingoBoingo points out, this has been a very high lulz week.
19:41 mircea_popescu price increase incoming ?
19:41 BingoBoingo MPOE price is moving up
19:42 mircea_popescu oh that it is huh.
19:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform incidentally, the one interesting tidbit in all this : one difference between current bitcoin and hearn-bitcoin is that the latter replaces Jeff Garzik's DNS seed with the seed run by one Addy Yeow.
19:43 BingoBoingo Also this is only high lolz compared to recent weeks. We're probably still below December's lolz levels still.
19:43 mircea_popescu rather than simply getting rid of it.
19:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8917 @ 0.00033066 = 2.9485 BTC [-] {2}
19:43 mircea_popescu this should be enough indication of the importance of dns-in-bitcoin for the shitgnome.
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19:44 mircea_popescu not just from a "must be in there for we need all the dns-carried pores imported via glibc etc", but also in the much lower level "who's in charge of the it!!1" thing
19:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32533 @ 0.00032246 = 10.4906 BTC [-] {2}
19:45 mircea_popescu (addy yeow aka ayeowch, "bitnodes" bs)
19:47 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147702 << "the troops are just right over the horizon" and "real america supports me, for i am not a crook".
19:47 assbot Logged on 29-05-2015 16:18:27; punkman: "There's a feeling on this list that there's no consensus, or that Gavin and myself are on the wrong side of it. I'd put it differently - there's very strong consensus out in the wider community and this list is something of an aberration."
19:47 BingoBoingo Ah, the nodecounter that only counts post Hearnfork1 nodes
19:47 mircea_popescu is socialism ever getting a new playbook ?
19:47 BingoBoingo Of course software developers get no say. The say goes to the content farms in the Phillipines.
19:48 mircea_popescu "i paid someone to make five hundred thousand fake facebook pages that like me, SO THERE1!1"
19:48 mircea_popescu anyway, gavin best lolcow of 2015.
19:49 mircea_popescu i remember the sad days when all we had was kludge the banker and ponzi the smooth operator.
19:50 mircea_popescu got slightly better once mtgox got finished, but not by much. that year's lolcow promotion was delulded fatso, the pageantry genius with her "chamber of commerce", that schmuck in ny that meanwhile got sent to "privately practice" with his privates...
19:50 mircea_popescu 2014 wasn't altogether bad, but it doesn't hold a candle to 2015 so far.
19:52 mircea_popescu drastically humiliated cantor fitzgerald vp, drastically humiliated nsa assets, i can't wait for autumn.
19:53 mircea_popescu oh, and lets not forget http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2015#1147141
19:53 assbot Logged on 28-05-2015 22:27:06; cazalla: i'm sure there is a better way to do it but relying on archive.today probably isn't that great an idea but not sure what else to do (for example, all the bitcoin auction stuff has been completely removed from the US Marshall's website)
19:53 BingoBoingo "muricademia also getting pretty lulzy this year http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/05/29/laura_kipnis_title_ix_investigation_feminism_political_correctness_controversy.html
19:54 mircea_popescu mildly humiliated us marshalls service and slightly more humiliated federal prosecutors. tho both of these being public servants, they can do a lot better than this.
19:54 mircea_popescu slate still exists huh
19:54 BingoBoingo Yeah, hard for them not too.
19:55 BingoBoingo They still have enough name of their own that they can cut their expenses gawker style without collecting as much gawker stench
19:55 mircea_popescu now this is a point
19:56 mircea_popescu gawker was somehow the loss leader in that, but otherwise "industry"-wide it's been a serious case of "work for free or don't work at all, for money there isn't".
19:56 cazalla i overstated that tbh.. most of it has been removed, there are a few remnants but the majority is gone
19:56 mircea_popescu which, inasmuch as it's factually correct, is what it is.
19:56 mircea_popescu cazalla screenshotted teh remnants ?
19:57 mircea_popescu "On Friday, Kipnis published another piece in the Chronicle, revealing that, in a twist that's ironic on more than one level, she is now the subject of an investigation into graduate student complaints that her earlier column and a subsequent tweet violated Title IX, the law that prohibits sex descrimination in education."
19:57 mircea_popescu i do not get how this is "ironic"
19:57 cazalla most of it is pdf and xls files such as www.usmarshals.gov/readingroom/foia_logs/2014_foia_log.xlsx
19:57 mircea_popescu inasmuch as the woman's public communication is being indicted for failing to kow-tow to idiocy, it'd seem this is just cultural-revolution style maoism.
19:57 cazalla still shows foia requests unresolved
19:58 mircea_popescu cazalla ahahaha idiots. same derps did this purge job that did thew original reddit "bitcoin blocks consensus" purge job ?
19:58 BingoBoingo Ironically the definition of irony used on the ESL interwebz has expanded so much it has no meaning. It nao has as much meaning as "a" or "the"
20:00 mircea_popescu cazalla "Error: Network error." lol archive no werk
20:04 cazalla who knows who or if it was explicitly done or deleted along with other stuff as part of usms routine
20:04 cazalla so if anyone can enlighten me.. what typically happens to those that find themselves in prison during the collapse of a nation?
20:13 mircea_popescu depends. one counterfitter was freed from bastille.
20:14 mircea_popescu gheorghe gheorghiu dej went from common criminal to head of romanian state in a decade
20:14 mircea_popescu generally, the actual criminals do quite well.
20:14 mircea_popescu deedbot- http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/usms-scammers-foia.txt
20:15 deedbot- Bad URL or network outage.
20:15 mircea_popescu ah come on!
20:15 trinque I've asked numerous times for a list of URLs people want whitelisted.
20:15 trinque I assume I should add trilema :D
20:15 mircea_popescu trinque no but just don't check url
20:15 mircea_popescu the idea being, ifsomeone absuses it we just negrate him.
20:15 trinque I suppose I can dial back the paranoia
20:15 mircea_popescu ty.
20:15 mircea_popescu gotta give people enough room to fail, otherwise people can't be good.
20:15 trinque that's reasonable
20:16 trinque when I build new things I tend to err towards caution
20:16 mircea_popescu understandabru
20:19 trinque mircea_popescu: ok give it another go
20:19 mircea_popescu deedbot- http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/usms-scammers-foia.txt
20:20 deedbot- accepted: 1
20:20 mircea_popescu yay
20:20 cazalla check it out, some people are stress testing the network to make the argument for a blocksize increase https://blockchain.info/new-transactions
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20:21 mircea_popescu how's this supposed to work.
20:21 mircea_popescu SummaryStatus: Disconnected lolk
20:21 cazalla apparently you bloat unconfirmed tx so that it's great than 1mb and then you point and say see, we need an increase cause i gotta wait 20m instead of 10m for 1 confirmation
20:22 mircea_popescu uhhh
20:22 mircea_popescu except this doesn't work lol.
20:22 mircea_popescu old coinbases still get priority.
20:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47900 @ 0.00031931 = 15.2949 BTC [-] {2}
20:23 mircea_popescu not to even mention... fee paying txn
20:23 cazalla well they probably don't have anything older than a few days anyway
20:23 mircea_popescu the beauty of this being that if you have say 1000btc in one chunk
20:24 mircea_popescu spending anything out of it makes BOTH the little you spent and the 999.x remainder NEW coinbases.
20:29 cazalla some coincidence a bunch of folk on /r/bitcoin get together to stress test the same day gavin threatens to take his ball/bat and go home with hearn
20:30 mircea_popescu imagine the "stress test" if the blocks ACTUALLY WERE 20mb.
20:30 mircea_popescu one can always spin up an arbitrary number of spammy txn.
20:30 midnightmagic Likely whoever it is who's paying the /r/bitcoin shills has an agenda, just like everyone else..
20:32 mircea_popescu "Kipnis was not allowed to have an attorney present during her interview with Title IX investigators, she writes, but she was allowed to bring along another faculty member as a "support person" provided that the person she brought did not speak. That support person later discussed Kipnis' situation at a "Faculty Senate" meeting—and has subsequently been accused of, yes, committing a Title IX violation."
20:32 mircea_popescu pretty lulzy.
20:32 mircea_popescu i think ima start "tit 1337" investigations of random people nao.
20:32 mircea_popescu why the fuck not even.
20:33 williamdunne midnightmagic: I think its most likely just stupid people, nothing nefarious
20:33 williamdunne Well
20:33 williamdunne Outside of the stupidity that is
20:34 mircea_popescu danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147706 logz ?
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20:34 assbot Logged on 29-05-2015 16:29:47; danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.Cusipzzz.-1:aa2a317c92fbd75f2a22c41ad0c1e50143a0b05f2b9b8e6adcb1995a92ca2b32
20:38 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147755 << seems adequate. "you mean kid in a dorm somewhere dared do something we disagree with on an ideological level ?!!!1?!?!?!"
20:38 assbot Logged on 29-05-2015 20:51:52; ascii_field: http://reason.com/blog/2015/05/29/ross-ulbricht-gets-life-in-silk-roa
20:38 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147766 << pretty much the entirety of the us claims in this case are puff.
20:38 assbot Logged on 29-05-2015 21:17:31; trinque: http://www.forbes.com/sites/katevinton/2015/03/30/two-former-federal-agents-charged-with-stealing-bitcoin-during-silk-road-investigation/ << claims 20k were stolen by the agents
20:39 decimation yeah but life in prison?
20:39 mircea_popescu they got money burnin holes in their pockets absolutely must buy guy's meal and doctor visits.
20:40 cazalla t-bone and chorizo and then a couple persimmons for breakfast.. i am so snake full
20:40 mircea_popescu what do you suppose is the difference between this life in prison and that life in prison anyway ? not like he was gonna buy himself a house.
20:40 decimation he could 'buy' 'a house' though
20:40 mircea_popescu so he did.
20:40 cazalla don't forget the 180m he owns USG despite em selling his proceeds
20:40 mircea_popescu honestly, if i was seriously contemplating living in the us, i'd seriously consider getting a life sentence. that way they're stuck paying for it all
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20:41 mircea_popescu you can just paint or w/e it is you wanted to do.
20:41 mircea_popescu become a literary critic.
20:42 cazalla but the food..
20:42 mircea_popescu eh, it's about on par with what people generally eat.
20:42 cazalla he'll be eating grilled cheese off the radiator
20:42 williamdunne cazalla: Owes 18m, they removed what they gained from selling the coins
20:42 decimation apparently in the us the strain of e.coli that eats your colon is considered to be an 'adulterant' in beef
20:42 mircea_popescu williamdunne and the part they didn't sell because their own agents stole ? removed that too ?
20:42 mircea_popescu lmao
20:42 decimation but in chicken, simonella (which can eat your brain) isn't
20:43 mircea_popescu salmonella ?
20:43 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> honestly, if i was seriously contemplating living in the us, i'd seriously consider getting a life sentence. that way they're stuck paying for it all << Get yourself Bariatric, then get the life sentence for maximum cost infliction
20:43 cazalla williamdunne, where do you get that from? justice.gov says "In addition to the life sentence prison term, ULBRICHT was ordered to forfeit $183,961,921."
20:43 williamdunne Can't remember which article I read it on
20:43 williamdunne But yeah
20:44 trinque does this come out of his deodorant and titty magazine account in prison?
20:44 mircea_popescu lol
20:44 williamdunne Said that while he was ordered to forfeit that much they consider what they sold to contribute towards it
20:44 decimation yeah salmonella
20:44 williamdunne mircea_popescu: Its not like that is the USGs responsibility </sarc>
20:44 mircea_popescu decimation very unfair contrast, this. e coli is natural gut fauna. salmonella is never found in healthy humans.
20:44 decimation apparently this comes from a court case in the 1970's
20:45 decimation where the chicken lobby argued that it would be insulting to the housewives of america if the government said that they couldn't handle some salmonella contamination
20:45 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> salmonella ? << It Birds and reptiles it is part of their normal flora. Can't be considered an adultrant
20:45 mircea_popescu but we're feeding us, not them
20:45 decimation BingoBoingo: but e.coli is in beef
20:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72250 @ 0.00033304 = 24.0621 BTC [+] {2}
20:46 BingoBoingo decimation: Depends on the strain of e. coli
20:46 mircea_popescu the idea is, that e coli is commensal or symbiotic, depending on your perspective, whereas salmonella is pathogenic
20:46 mircea_popescu these are about as unlike as steel and arsenic.
20:46 mircea_popescu notwithstanding you can make a steel sword and behead someone
20:47 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> the idea is, that e coli is commensal or symbiotic, depending on your perspective, whereas salmonella is pathogenic << unless you are a chicken or turtle... then salmonella is just normal poop bacteria
20:47 mircea_popescu well sure, i guess chicken fda has a diff take
20:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00033584 = 3.8118 BTC [+]
20:50 BingoBoingo Most people who self diagnose salmonella usually actually test positive for campylobacter anyways when chikken makes em sick
20:51 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147779 << goes right back to yesterday, and before's discussion re starving in the street.
20:51 assbot Logged on 29-05-2015 21:22:42; decimation: another point to note - if the former speaker of the house/k street lobbyist can't access cash in an anonymous way, what chance to regular people have?
20:51 mircea_popescu check it out alfie, guy is starving in the street. good enough yet ? :D
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20:54 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147788 << this is exactly irrelevant for anyone in the past. obviously, if trotsky ended up with a pickaxe in the head, it then follows that trotsky ended up with a pickaxe in the head. what of this is germane to any discussion of trotsky in any positive approach ?
20:54 assbot Logged on 29-05-2015 21:25:41; ascii_field: <decimation> another point to note - if the former speaker of the house/k street lobbyist can't access cash in an anonymous way, what chance to regular people have? << if he is on trial, then it follows that he first fell from grace
20:54 mircea_popescu is it related to his tooth brushing habits ? is it a function of being loose with women ?
20:55 mircea_popescu that is the point. to fall from grace there must be a grace first. there isn't.
20:56 BingoBoingo lol http://qntra.net/2015/05/gavin-threatens-to-quit-bitcoin-development-and-join-hearns-fork/#comment-25130
20:57 mircea_popescu https://i.imgur.com/OEqzSmC.png << bwahahaha.
20:58 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo, cazalla and i : bringing wtf to fb normies since a while ago.
20:58 cazalla normies get out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AAO92foBwA
20:59 BingoBoingo best thumbnail
20:59 mircea_popescu dude can't even screem wtf.
20:59 mircea_popescu sounds liek a prison rape.
21:00 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147807 << quite exactly.
21:00 assbot Logged on 29-05-2015 21:45:33; trinque: it also brings to mind the way these things develop, where first intent may be something which increases or decreases the legal severity of some other crime, but over time becomes a crime all its own
21:00 mircea_popescu once something gains legal relevance, there's no way to keep it from becoming severed.
21:01 BingoBoingo So it seems we have a young stray cat in the neighborhood that really likes it's dinner still screaming.
21:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50100 @ 0.00032301 = 16.1828 BTC [-] {2}
21:02 cazalla keel it! fuck i hate cats
21:02 BingoBoingo All last night, every 15 minutes, squeak squeak squeak as it plays with another mouse for quite a while liek it is eating a korean octopus dish
21:03 BingoBoingo cazalla: I didn't even interupt it. As much as I hated the noise, better it gets the mice than the mice get inside
21:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88174 @ 0.00031694 = 27.9459 BTC [-] {3}
21:03 cazalla what harm is a field mouse?
21:04 BingoBoingo if it gets inside it shits everywhere and dies
21:04 mircea_popescu "As I've written before, Silk Road was undoubtedly a net positive for the health, safety, and liberty of most of its customers and sellers. "
21:04 mircea_popescu random commentator on internets has an excewllent point
21:04 mircea_popescu that the defense failed to call out the moral-panic powered prosecution
21:04 mircea_popescu and to point out that the only person being helpful to the community in that room is the accused,
21:05 mircea_popescu whereas the rest of the derps are essentially going on a "holy shit something we never heard of before- BURN THE WITHCq!1"
21:05 mircea_popescu is perhaps the major-est failure in known legal history.
21:05 mircea_popescu whenever anyone tells you that fucktarded "he who represents himself has a fool for a client", do remember : at least it won't be as bad as the silk road defense.
21:06 williamdunne The lawyers derped there, big time
21:06 mircea_popescu nothing one can do accidentally or untinentionally can ever be as bad as the deliberate, calculated poison the officers of the court masquerading as "defense counsel" put forth.
21:07 BingoBoingo Dratel was the worst. Even Matlock would have done better and he's dead nao.
21:07 cazalla BingoBoingo, but cats shit every where too
21:08 BingoBoingo cazalla: Feral cats tend to not make it inside and outside of winter they don't really try to either
21:09 cazalla i can't say i've ever had a problem with mice or know of anyone that has down under.. cats though? huge problem, huge shits, lots of noise
21:11 cazalla fyi http://i.imgur.com/sr1rQaa.png
21:12 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1147945 << http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-otc/logs/2015/05/29#l1432915387.0
21:12 assbot Logged on 30-05-2015 00:34:33; mircea_popescu: danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147706 logz ?
21:13 decimation mircea_popescu: what conversation were you referencing "goes right back to yesterday, and before's discussion re starving in the street"
21:13 mircea_popescu !rate cusipzzz -10 ex-bitcoin merchant, meanwhile indicted over money laundering and released provisionally with an understanding that he'll use his supposed clout in the Bitcoin community in exchange for "lenience", whatever that may mean.
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21:14 mircea_popescu !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.cusipzzz.-10:7efb49656c3c4fe3426e105cd84804e418313f0ad96ac8ae211f55148c7a83cf
21:14 assbot Successfully added a rating of -10 for cusipzzz with note: ex-bitcoin merchant, meanwhile indicted over money laundering and released provisionally with an understanding that he'll use his supposed clout in the Bitcoin community in exchange for "lenience", whatever that may mean.
21:14 BingoBoingo Well, for what it is worth this cat sucks at being feral. I went out for a cig and it was just sitting under a tree. Might be someone wanted an outdoor cat as a pet.
21:14 mircea_popescu and that goes to the rest of you fuckheads. 1) i know who all of you are. this because your overlords can't keep secrets worth a shit. 2) my people are intangible or you get fucked.
21:14 BingoBoingo cazalla: You forget we have farms, woods, and native wild bunnies
21:14 mircea_popescu should be simple enough.,
21:15 BingoBoingo Oh, -otc basically a trap nao?
21:16 danielpbarron defo
21:16 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo -otc has all teh "relevancy" one could ever wish for.
21:21 BingoBoingo I kinda thought as much
~ 15 minutes ~
21:36 midnightmagic williamdunne: No, there are actual groups of people with years-long accounts who are paid. Coindesk or coinfire, or $random_lame_news_outlet "broke" the story a while ago including screenshots and lists of reddit accounts (which they kept private)
21:36 midnightmagic And they get paid by people they never met.
21:38 williamdunne Sure, I know shills exist, I was offered some myself
21:38 williamdunne I just thing the vast majority of the people are just derping
21:38 mircea_popescu this is broadly true, but much like the guy with the red stapler, that vast majority doesn't actually take the time and effort to prop conde nast's numbers while derping
21:38 mircea_popescu they just derp to themselves.
21:44 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1147922 << i noticed this on my two nodes; my pogo has been lagging behind by at least a few blocks and my bigger machine was also getting its memory pool jammed up
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21:44 assbot Logged on 30-05-2015 00:20:52; cazalla: check it out, some people are stress testing the network to make the argument for a blocksize increase https://blockchain.info/new-transactions
21:45 BingoBoingo midnightmagic> williamdunne: No, there are actual groups of people with years-long accounts who are paid. Coindesk or coinfire, or $random_lame_news_outlet "broke" the story a while ago including screenshots and lists of reddit accounts (which they kept private) << It was Coinfire. They've done a few excellent stories in their history, but the way they operate is just so fucking... odd
21:46 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo afaik it's just a hard working guy that is completely misguided as to what constitutes business etc.
21:46 mircea_popescu "professional"
21:47 williamdunne Won't even own any bitcoin because it could make him 'biased'
21:47 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: That and he's got a few fresh off the reddit faces he finds to help throw up occasional extra stories
21:48 mircea_popescu williamdunne yeah that's exactly the sort of thing. what clueless derp would think of the press bias in these terms ?
21:48 mircea_popescu fresh off a community college course in "introduction to journalism" from wichita ?
21:48 midnightmagic I'd heard of that guy. That's the coinfire guy is it? Huh.
21:49 williamdunne Financial Times writers no longer allowed to hold any commodity, currency, or other tradable asset.
21:50 mircea_popescu yeah, because they were going to. all bought on the generous pay their prestigious position with the times allows them.
21:50 mircea_popescu they can buy either 0 shares of any stock or no less than 0 contracts in any future.
21:53 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> williamdunne yeah that's exactly the sort of thing. what clueless derp would think of the press bias in these terms ? << Whichever Timothy go hooked into working for Vox faced this dilemma. Staid with Vox to his peril
21:53 scoopbot_revived The greatest failure in modern legal history, the story of Joshua Dratel http://trilema.com/2015/the-greatest-failure-in-modern-legal-history-the-story-of-joshua-dratel/
21:53 danielpbarron !up Bjander
21:56 decimation !gettrust belxjander
21:56 assbot belxjander is not registered in WoT.
21:56 decimation !gettrust bjander
21:56 assbot bjander is not registered in WoT.
22:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62750 @ 0.00031579 = 19.8158 BTC [-] {3}
22:08 mircea_popescu also http://trilema.com/2013/what-the-drug-trade-is-how-the-drug-trade-works-and-why-silk-road-didnt-work-and-didnt-matter/#selection-145.0-149.0 to go with that article.
22:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00032293 = 4.5533 BTC [+]
22:12 decimation representing yourself in us court is a recipie for disaster - the government clerks do not take kindly to people
22:13 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: ty very much for the timing of that one
22:13 mircea_popescu sure o.O
22:14 BingoBoingo decimation: You can hire a lawyer, but you gotta make sure they understand they are the hired help. They deal with the clerks and the bitchwork. You do the reading and make the decisions.
22:15 BingoBoingo Now how long we gotta wait on scoopy...
22:15 scoopbot_revived Some Other People Sentenced This Month in US Courts http://qntra.net/2015/05/some-other-people-sentenced-this-month-in-us-courts/
22:15 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo if you can find someone like this, it'll usually be a paralegal.
22:16 * BingoBoingo presently has a "good christian lawyer"
22:16 decimation A friend told me about how a local inspector came to examine his house (which he was building himself). The inspector told him that he should have hired a professional to do the plumbing (he did, but represented his own house to the inspector)
22:16 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: but yeah you hire them for their license and make em paralegal for you
22:16 decimation the inspector failed the plumbing on many counts. meanwhile the plumber who did the work had similar work passed by the same inspector on a different job
22:16 mircea_popescu "Danish Syed (archived) was sentenced to 18 months in prison for helping his half brother move to Pakistan." o.O
22:17 decimation My point is that if you represent yourself you are going to be 'presumed guilty of failing to genuflect before the government appropriately'
22:17 mircea_popescu well, in cases which are essentially this to begin with...
22:17 decimation exactly.
22:18 decimation well, this calls to mind the 'trial' of georges danton
22:18 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: On that one basically the half brother milked some fiat fails and went to Pakistan when charges hit. Syed helped some of his cash return to him.
22:18 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo wow check it out, woman betrayed teh pakistani ring!
22:19 BingoBoingo Tends to happen.
22:19 mircea_popescu "Chrisopher Serna (archived) was sentenced to 50 years in prison by a Florida court for cutting off his girlfriend's head and sticking it on a pole."
22:19 mircea_popescu o.O
22:20 asciilifeform in other news:
22:20 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pub/crate.jpg
22:21 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: And Serna is young enough to potentially leave jail after the full sentence
22:21 mircea_popescu i like qntra.
22:21 mircea_popescu asciilifeform shipment of small women from southeast asia ?
22:21 williamdunne qntra is good
22:21 BingoBoingo It's amaxing the filtering we happened upon. WHen nothing happens... qntra slows share creation slows. WHen shit goes down qntra heats up again.
22:21 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Is that the other kind of board?
22:21 mircea_popescu "If they continue imprisoning their betters the result is going to be technically savvy warlords."
22:22 decimation 50 years is less than life
22:22 mircea_popescu should bne interesting to see irl.
22:22 decimation apparently mr. silk road should have just beheaded random women
22:22 mircea_popescu decimation too late for him
22:22 mircea_popescu apparently EVERYONE ELSE should. preferably, starting wit hthe civil service.
22:22 BingoBoingo decimation: Nah, known women. Known is a mitigating circumstance
22:23 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147865 << good nyooz then, i'm loading the pistol to shoot the last vestiges of dns-in-bitcoin in the head as we speak
22:23 assbot Logged on 29-05-2015 23:43:29; mircea_popescu: this should be enough indication of the importance of dns-in-bitcoin for the shitgnome.
22:23 decimation asciilifeform: how to replace? .conf with ips?
22:23 asciilifeform and i will also point out that we can keep the irc sync mechanism and run it over gossipd.
22:24 asciilifeform (or not, and pass seed ip on commandline as discussed in old thread)
22:24 BingoBoingo <decimation> 50 years is less than life << This kinda depends on the age of the person at time of sentencing
22:24 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nb.
22:25 decimation asciilifeform: and then discover peers by asking the seed about his connections?
22:27 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1147958 << prisoners in usa are 'civil dead', i.e. they cannot communicate securely or pgp-sign. ask ted kazynski. so i'll take that bullet plz
22:27 assbot Logged on 30-05-2015 00:40:56; mircea_popescu: honestly, if i was seriously contemplating living in the us, i'd seriously consider getting a life sentence. that way they're stuck paying for it all
22:28 BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/604474262259265536
22:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform eh, privacy is overrated. especially in old age.
22:28 trinque mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/the-crime-of-being-american/ << ftr I agree with this 100%. this struck me years ago, occupies my mind daily
22:29 mircea_popescu !up baghodler
22:29 mircea_popescu trinque aha!
22:29 trinque one doesn't get to deny the blood they're covered in because "oh I wouldn't do that if I were fuhrer"
22:29 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1147996 << he fell from grace. let me know when buffet, musk, gates, thiel - starve.
22:29 assbot Logged on 30-05-2015 00:51:24; mircea_popescu: check it out alfie, guy is starving in the street. good enough yet ? :D
22:29 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo thats a point.
22:29 trinque great comic too
22:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what grace is this ?
22:30 mircea_popescu note that for it to be accepted in the discussion, it must exist prior to the event, not merely be constructed ex post facto as a contrapositive.
22:30 williamdunne mm asslag again
22:31 williamdunne Guessing its freenode servers
22:32 decimation it is interesting that they tried to stick hastert with this 'you lied to us about your cash' law
22:32 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148054 << with or without my two skull'n'crossbone patches ?
22:32 assbot Logged on 30-05-2015 01:44:59; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1147922 << i noticed this on my two nodes; my pogo has been lagging behind by at least a few blocks and my bigger machine was also getting its memory pool jammed up
22:35 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'grace' in the very general sense that these folks are untouchable (see gary condit, who even got away with killing a fucktoy) until they aren't.
22:35 danielpbarron without
22:36 asciilifeform <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform shipment of small women from southeast asia ? << next best thing. sealed sony trinitron, of what i think is the largest 4:3 size that was made.
22:36 BingoBoingo Nice
22:36 asciilifeform GDM-5402
22:37 decimation I had a 21 inch trinitron back in the day
22:37 decimation took to the dump a few years ago
22:37 BingoBoingo First stint of grad school I was so pissed when fucking druggy never returned my 9" trinitron
22:37 asciilifeform 2048X1536@75Hz, 1600x1280@96Hz
22:38 cazalla 144hz master race
22:38 decimation thing was a heavy bastard
22:38 asciilifeform this one is ~40kg
22:39 decimation I'm surprised they don't use those in medical applications where contrast is crtical
22:39 asciilifeform rather like the identical but aged, dim unit i have already on other desk
22:39 asciilifeform decimation: they did until very recently
22:39 asciilifeform (they do not, as we all know, last forever)
22:39 * BingoBoingo had a nice 9" trinitron rf signal display machine with integrated optical disk player. A historical, more trusting Bingo loaned it to a neighbor and gone.
22:39 decimation I suppose lcds are getting better w.r.t. contrast
22:39 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the ntsc trinitrons are not comparable
22:39 * asciilifeform retches from memory of ntsc screens
22:40 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Not at all, but compared to cheap LED's
22:40 BingoBoingo *LCD's
22:40 decimation thost little guide wires on the screen always made me a little happy
22:40 asciilifeform decimation: remember the knock-offs without the guidewires ?
22:40 decimation heh yeah
22:40 decimation was always easy to tell
22:41 BingoBoingo * asciilifeform retches from memory of ntsc screens << Sometimes... the content is already ntsc encoded...
22:42 BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/qntra/status/604477372625068033
22:43 decimation yeah I remember playing nintendo on an ntsc trinitron, was better than random shit tv
22:45 BingoBoingo Oh, I wasn't using this for games, but that would have been grand. I was right by a PBS station and could watch "The Victory Garden" in all its glory
22:45 asciilifeform thinking of buying three more of the gdm-5402 and replacing my 'eizo's
22:45 asciilifeform but not sure if house wiring can handle it
22:46 decimation heh. I don't think they take that much power do they?
22:46 asciilifeform or whether my desk will auger in
22:46 decimation I guess 200 watts
22:46 decimation yeah that's probably the first thing to fail
22:46 decimation heh 70 lbs
22:46 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> or whether my desk will auger in << What else are the studs in the walls for if not bearing weight?
22:47 asciilifeform my doubleconverter ups would probably catch fire
22:47 asciilifeform it's already at ~70% load
22:47 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: this hovel, interestingly, has steel frame. first time i lived in such a thing. a real bitch to hang up anything in
22:48 asciilifeform the only time i drilled it, broke three ordinary bits before waking up and going out to the machine shop to fetch a boron nitride one
22:49 BingoBoingo Amazing. So you actually do have a frame that can handle pretty much whatever weight UPS packages can throw at it without bumping your shit down to "freight" treatment.
22:49 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
22:49 BingoBoingo ^lol labcoin reference
22:50 asciilifeform wai wat
22:51 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2013#296505
22:51 assbot Logged on 09-09-2013 19:00:25; kakobrekla: amazing company
22:51 decimation asciilifeform: actually this is probably a good faraday cage for low frequencies
22:51 decimation your steel frame walls
22:51 BingoBoingo decimation: I doubt he's as worried about submarines listening as... vans
23:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46850 @ 0.00031976 = 14.9808 BTC [-] {2}
23:04 danielpbarron !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.felipelalli.2:20778d891b1ba5e5a1a3a10728673c4f2804e99d0b8801794a2846a253ccebba
23:04 assbot Successfully updated the rating for felipelalli from 1 to 2 with note: enthusiastic aspiring writer
23:09 felipelalli thank you danielpbarron!
23:11 mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats
23:11 gribble Current Blocks: 358608 | Current Difficulty: 4.880748724468138E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 358847 | Next Difficulty In: 239 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 17 hours, 52 minutes, and 7 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47477961159.4 | Estimated Percent Change: -2.72402
23:13 cazalla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfvOcII_KT8
23:14 decimation whatever clicked on apparently clicked off
23:15 asciilifeform decimation: no good at all as faraday cage, they're frame only
23:17 mircea_popescu maybe it was just noise.
23:19 asciilifeform gentlemen! anyone else play with my patches from last night ?
23:19 BingoBoingo asciilifeform> decimation: no good at all as faraday cage, they're frame only << But if you replaced the drywall with classically done plaster...
23:20 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: read about utility ingresses for faraday chambers some time
23:20 asciilifeform imho the preoccupation with man-sized faraday cages is a classic usg idiocy
23:20 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: read about utility ingresses for faraday chambers some time << might as well look it up nao while waiting waiting for 1nd and third opinions on the orphan slaughter
23:21 asciilifeform plugging the wrong end of the funnel as always
23:21 asciilifeform last i heard, they had a mobile one made for the fuhrer himself
23:21 asciilifeform which he has to step out of every time he wants to check main on his iPnohe
23:21 asciilifeform *mail
23:23 asciilifeform !up RUchimp
23:24 RUchimp No need to voice, just gonna idle and see whats goin on.
23:24 asciilifeform RUchimp: consider reading the log on www
23:24 asciilifeform RUchimp: log.bitcoin-assets.com
23:24 decimation asciilifeform: did you see this: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/05/28/avago_broadcom/
23:25 BingoBoingo RUchimp: Introductions never hurt
23:25 decimation avago is probably going to slice and dice broadcom, sell off peices
23:25 asciilifeform if broadcom were hit by plague or asteroids, i'm not certain that i would notice or care
23:26 asciilifeform and would certainly shed not one tear.
23:26 asciilifeform unfortunately, their products will remain with us.
23:26 decimation heh yeah agreed
23:27 RUchimp \Sorry, using a different handle
23:27 decimation interestingly it was acquired by the former hp semiconductor division based in singapore, run by chinese
23:28 decimation asciilifeform: also related http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/30/business/dealbook/intel-takeover-of-altera-is-expected.html
23:29 decimation intel is gonna buy altera, after minting their chips for years
23:29 * asciilifeform waits for cocacola to buy pepsi
23:29 decimation heh
23:29 decimation more like pepsi being bought by its combined bottlers
23:29 asciilifeform the not-so-secret here is that intel wants to bake fpga directly on x86 die
23:29 asciilifeform for the usg market
23:29 asciilifeform which orbits around deep-packet shenanigans and likes fpga
23:29 decimation sure
23:29 asciilifeform and infinite money
23:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8982 @ 0.00033584 = 3.0165 BTC [+]
23:30 decimation but what's the probability that intel can deliver this functionality with non-retarded tools?
23:30 asciilifeform decimation: there is no question of non-retarded tools. in so far as is known, intel's entire toolchain is winblows
23:31 asciilifeform even their joke of an 'open' bios is built in vs, with megs (yes) of .bat script as build chain
23:31 asciilifeform at any rate, this product is 'not for people'
23:32 decimation also note that this is a tacit admission by intel that they can mint lots of transistors but have no idea how their customers want the transistors to be arranged
23:32 asciilifeform afaik every attempt by intel to sell something other than x86 has tanked
23:33 decimation yeah they keep trying to make mobile shit
23:34 decimation the writing on the wall is that the xeon stuff isn't gonna keep making money forever, especially when intel can only deliever 20% improvement per 5 years
23:34 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> afaik every attempt by intel to sell something other than x86 has tanked << I remember the netbook dying as soon as AMD had chips that could win this niche.
23:37 decimation umm, where are amd netbooks?
23:38 decimation netbook died because it cut out profits for everyone
23:38 decimation https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/05/tisa-yet-another-leaked-treaty-youve-never-heard-makes-secret-rules-internet/ < "But the latest leak has revealed more. The agreement would also prohibit countries from enacting free and open source software mandates"
23:39 * asciilifeform thought that it died because machine for viewing porn in toilet doesn't need keyboard
23:39 decimation asciilifeform: yeah but did you notice that the tablets that 'replaced' the netbook have less functionality?
23:39 asciilifeform naturally
23:39 decimation and cost twice as much
23:46 trinque https://www-ssl.intel.com/content/www/us/en/tech-tips-and-tricks/streaming-tv-shows.html << this was a particularly weird market for intel to get into, afaik nothing has come of it
23:47 trinque hm that one doesn't describe exactly what I was looking for
23:47 trinque I recall Intel saying they were going to make their own streaming service
23:48 trinque http://venturebeat.com/2013/09/27/intels-planned-streaming-tv-service-is-stalling-hard/
23:49 BingoBoingo * asciilifeform thought that it died because machine for viewing porn in toilet doesn't need keyboard << Life for it I saw on campuses was people who wanted laptop, but didn't want to carry a laptop. Same people the next years I saw with heavier tablet/keyboard combos
23:49 trinque http://newsroom.intel.com/community/intel_newsroom/blog/2014/01/21/verizon-to-purchase-intel-media-assets << bahahaha
23:51 BingoBoingo netbook as notetaking machine was a solid niche
23:52 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the crapification of 'netbook' stands out in clear, cartoon colours when compared with something like the 1997-1999 toshiba 'libretto'
23:52 BingoBoingo yeah
23:52 asciilifeform machine in all respects similar, but with decent keyboard and sans the 'disposable' chinese plastic feel
23:52 trinque asciilifeform: apparently now refers to a tablet monstrosity http://www.toshiba.com/us/computers/laptops/libretto
23:53 asciilifeform all models after '110ct' were halfway to the kind of garbage now familiar as 'netbook'
23:53 danielpbarron http://www.heca.be/museum/A_Portege610CT.jpg << i used one of these things with debian
23:54 asciilifeform ^ that's an ordinary laptop
23:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61950 @ 0.00033467 = 20.7328 BTC [-] {3}
23:56 decimation asciilifeform: yeah where are modern 'librettos' or hp lx200s?
23:56 asciilifeform decimation: in the same place as modern lisp machine
23:57 decimation or a portable machine with error correcting memory?
23:57 asciilifeform nowhere, unless mircea_popescu had one hand-soldered for his use by pretty gurlz
23:57 mircea_popescu laptocks sup.
23:58 asciilifeform !b 3
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23:59 decimation mircea_popescu: why is a laptop worse than a standard workstation console?
23:59 decimation other than the obvious ergonomic issues
23:59 asciilifeform why is a pine stake worse than a bar stool?
23:59 mircea_popescu othar than ?
23:59 asciilifeform other than the ergonomic issues
23:59 mircea_popescu ;;google laptop si oo coapte
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23:59 mircea_popescu google, you suck.
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