00:26 |
asciilifeform |
meanwhile discussion point on pestnet. |
00:26 |
bitbot |
(pest) 2022-01-13 asciilifeform: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2022-01-12#1002644 << we're gonna need some means of identifying keys for purposes like this w/out leaking bits. possibly e.g. crc32(sha512(key)). will amend spec after folx comment. |
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00:26 |
bitbot |
(pest) 2022-01-13 asciilifeform: ( prolly obv imho, but nobody but the 2 peers who are using a key have any biz knowing even leading N bits of it ) |
00:26 |
asciilifeform |
and worth reposting this lul here. |
00:26 |
bitbot |
(pest) 2022-01-12 signpost[asciilifeform|billymg]: meanwhile lol @ us.mil finally leaking this https://assets.ctfassets.net/syq3snmxclc9/2mVob3c1aDd8CNvVnyei6n/95af7dbfd2958d4c2b8494048b4889b5/JAG_Docs_pt1_Og_WATERMARK_OVER_Redacted.pdf |
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04:59 |
mats |
that's a weird way to do redactions |
05:00 |
mats |
lots of black bars, but 'xxxxx' for some names |
05:14 |
mats |
getting some traction, but nothing interesting said https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/jan/12/marine-researcher-covid-19-virus-made-chinese-lab-/ |
05:19 |
mats |
dunno why you'd edit a document like this if you want it to be believable |
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06:25 |
gregory5 |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-12#1072597 << sure, but how does nc(1) know that the host/port (to which it tried to send the datagram) was unbound? |
06:25 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-12 13:00:21 asciilifeform: gregory5: under unixlikes you gotta bind the socket to listen (i.e. tell os which process the incoming packets oughta hand off to, and reserve a port) |
06:26 |
gregory5 |
would that not imply that the host/port, if unbound, emits an error (or, alternatively, that the host/port, if bound, emits an ACK)? |
06:26 |
gregory5 |
how does that not completely violate the spirit of UDP? |
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~ 6 hours 31 minutes ~ |
12:58 |
PeterL |
gregory5: are we talking about seeing if UDP is bound on your own machine or on a remote machine? |
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~ 53 minutes ~ |
13:51 |
gregory5 |
PeterL: a remote machine. |
13:56 |
gregory5 |
you can try this experiment yourself. on machine A, run: nc -l -p 1234 -u |
13:57 |
gregory5 |
on machine B, run: nc -u $ADDRESS 1234 |
13:57 |
gregory5 |
send some lines of text from machine B to machine A. then terminate the process of machine A. |
13:58 |
gregory5 |
the process of machine B will proceed to terminate itself. |
13:58 |
gregory5 |
then, do the experiment again, using your own UDP listening program on machine A, instead of nc(1). |
13:59 |
gregory5 |
the same thing happens. |
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~ 15 minutes ~ |
14:15 |
asciilifeform |
gregory5: if the remote box has icmp enabled, you get a 'destination port unreachable' response for it, even for udp. see also. |
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14:17 |
* |
asciilifeform oughta move the endnote re killing icmp on pest stations to moar visible spot in the spec |
14:19 |
asciilifeform |
and in fact the 'unreachable' propagates as a signal and apparently crashes blatta, which doesn't catch it. |
14:19 |
bitbot |
(pest) 2022-01-13 PeterL[asciilifeform]: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=hznF << yesterday my blatta crashed, I'm not sure what this output means? |
14:20 |
asciilifeform |
a serious pest station in principle ought to emit 0 icmp packets. incl. ping responses. |
14:20 |
asciilifeform |
icmp not only demasks the presence of a station, but is a traditional ddos amplification vector. |
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14:53 |
asciilifeform |
$ticker btc usd |
14:53 |
busybot |
Current BTC price in USD: $44105.63 |
14:53 |
asciilifeform |
!w poll |
14:53 |
watchglass |
Polling 14 nodes... |
14:53 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=718485 |
14:53 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=718485 |
14:53 |
watchglass |
71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.038s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=718485 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
14:53 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=718485 |
14:53 |
watchglass |
54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.112s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=718485 |
14:53 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.084s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=718485 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
14:53 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=718485 (Operator: whaack) |
14:53 |
watchglass |
208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.204s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=718485 |
14:53 |
watchglass |
54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.262s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=718485 |
14:53 |
watchglass |
94.176.238.102:8333 : (2ppf.s.time4vps.cloud) Alive: (0.363s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=718359 |
14:53 |
watchglass |
82.79.58.192:8333 : (static-82-79-58-192.rdsnet.ro) Alive: (0.389s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=718359 |
14:53 |
watchglass |
103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.647s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=718485 |
14:53 |
watchglass |
75.106.222.93:8333 : Alive: (0.421s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=718485 |
14:54 |
watchglass |
143.202.160.10:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.) |
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15:27 |
whaack |
asciilifeform: top of the mornin' |
15:28 |
whaack |
price already recovering, how boring :( |
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~ 39 minutes ~ |
16:07 |
asciilifeform |
eh surely will unrecover many moar times |
16:18 |
asciilifeform |
wb punkman ! |
16:19 |
punkman |
happy new year! |
16:20 |
asciilifeform |
ty |
16:22 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: thimbronion's pestron meanwhile mostly worx, lotsa action on pestnet. when you have a chance, press 9983, and ping asciilifeform et al for keyz. |
16:22 |
punkman |
did the discussion move to pest already? |
16:23 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: 1/2 way there or so |
16:23 |
punkman |
haven't read logs for a few weeks |
16:23 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: billymg has a mostly working www log |
16:23 |
asciilifeform |
!q uptime |
16:23 |
dulapbot |
asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 211d 12h 21m |
16:24 |
asciilifeform |
^ dulapnet worx still, and asciilifeform intends to keep it going in near future (handy for e.g. n00b visitors) but eventually most of the life will be on pestnet, yes |
16:25 |
asciilifeform |
(and see also.) |
16:25 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-12-27 13:12:06 asciilifeform: (for sumthing as precarious as a 1-box irc net, dulapnet has worked surprisingly well. but it is rather unsuitable for long-term use, e.g. can't exactly announce isp outages on it, given as it lives in the rack) |
16:25 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-12-27 13:13:27 asciilifeform: when there's a 100% stable pestnet, will bridge dulapnet's #a to it, i expect. |
16:25 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-11 18:34:08 asciilifeform: and in particular, the next time the dc folx trip over the main breaker like in dec. of '20, pestnet is what'll be standing and dulapnet awol |
16:28 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: and incidentally there's a 2nd prototype by jonsykkel ( asciilifeform not tried yet tho ) |
16:28 |
asciilifeform |
iirc signpost is working on yet anuther 1 |
16:29 |
whaack |
maybe punkman should try jonsykkel's implementation, since everyone else is already debugging thimbronion's |
16:29 |
asciilifeform |
iirc jonsykkel's in fact implements ~entire spec, incl. addrcast, rekey, and getdata, even |
16:29 |
asciilifeform |
whaack: good idea imho |
16:30 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: iirc you were making one also ? |
16:30 |
* |
asciilifeform brb |
16:40 |
shinohai |
Wait ... isn't jonsykkel's smalpest still incompatible with testnet, or did I miss a patch? |
16:45 |
PeterL |
shinohai: I beleive blatta needs a patch to ignore the non-implemented commands |
16:47 |
shinohai |
ah kk. |
16:55 |
jonsykkel |
my prog can be peered with a blatta that has this patch aplyd http://zzz.st/up/jT70pm4A/9983-tmp-disgusting-hack.vpatch http://zzz.st/up/pG8KEMVi/9983-tmp-disgusting-hack.vpatch.jonsykkel.sig |
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17:43 |
gregory5 |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-13#1072662 << that explains so much. thanks. |
17:43 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-13 09:15:03 asciilifeform: gregory5: if the remote box has icmp enabled, you get a 'destination port unreachable' response for it, even for udp. see also. |
17:54 |
gregory5 |
I have never studied the ICMP protocol. |
17:55 |
asciilifeform |
gregory5: best known use of it is the familiar 'ping' |
17:55 |
gregory5 |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-13#1072667 << this is so sinister. |
17:55 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-13 09:20:54 asciilifeform: icmp not only demasks the presence of a station, but is a traditional ddos amplification vector. |
17:56 |
asciilifeform |
gregory5: interestingly not so trivial to kill icmp completely under linux. seems like requires iptables rule. (i expect we're gonna need a kernel patch to make it 100% stick) |
17:56 |
gregory5 |
I think I found the "iptables" command: iptables -I OUTPUT -p icmp --icmp-type destination-unreachable -j DROP |
17:56 |
asciilifeform |
you'd want to nuke ping response also |
17:57 |
gregory5 |
maybe this would work: iptables -I OUTPUT -p icmp -j DROP |
17:57 |
asciilifeform |
worth testing on various linuxen |
17:58 |
asciilifeform |
echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_all is the popular recipe, but iirc only blocks pings and does nuffin re outgoing crapola |
18:00 |
gregory5 |
I will need to read the RFC of ICMP. |
18:00 |
asciilifeform |
to meet the 'indistinguishable from unplugged box' 'nothing to the stranger' criterion of the spec, gotta 100% nuke icmp on the station. |
18:00 |
gregory5 |
without familiarity with the RFC, you cannot be sure. |
18:01 |
asciilifeform |
gregory5: not even need to study the spec in detail, simply gotta make sure that the station never sends ip packet with protocol==1 . at all. |
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18:02 |
asciilifeform |
(ideally also drops'em before they eat cpu when any appear incoming. but that's strictly secondary.) |
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18:02 |
gregory5 |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-13#1072730 << how will we do that? Wireshark? |
18:02 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-13 13:01:32 asciilifeform: gregory5: not even need to study the spec in detail, simply gotta make sure that the station never sends ip packet with protocol==1 . at all. |
18:02 |
asciilifeform |
gregory5: asciilifeform naively assumed that there's a working knob, but currently seems that there aint one, will need kernel patch. |
18:02 |
gregory5 |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-13#1072731 << this is a problem. the "iptables" command only catches the packets as they are leaving the machine. |
18:02 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-13 13:02:00 asciilifeform: (ideally also drops'em before they eat cpu when any appear incoming. but that's strictly secondary.) |
18:02 |
asciilifeform |
( alternatively can do so on router standing b/w station and world ) |
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18:03 |
asciilifeform |
the logical conclusion of pest station, asciilifeform suspects, will be a dedicated box. |
18:03 |
asciilifeform |
a la this sketch. |
18:03 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-06-21 17:27:23 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: hypothetically solves ddosism (you can build, hypothetically, a device which forwards only validly-signed packets at GB/s) |
18:03 |
gregory5 |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-13#1072737 << speaking of which, do you personally use a router with customized firmware? which hardware/firmware would you recommend to others? |
18:03 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-13 13:02:44 asciilifeform: ( alternatively can do so on router standing b/w station and world ) |
18:04 |
asciilifeform |
gregory5: i use 'pfsense' currently. defo aint perfect, but beats the shit outta the extant alternatives imho |
18:05 |
asciilifeform |
gregory5: on an apu1, currently |
18:06 |
asciilifeform |
it dun 100% keep up with the Gb/s pipe, which is annoying, but i like that it is fanless and unfritzed fwiw |
18:06 |
gregory5 |
asciilifeform: I will look into it. before I used Linksys WRT54G and AC1900 but I couldn't get OpenWrt working. |
18:06 |
* |
asciilifeform used the linksys 20y ago, was adequate for the pipe of the time but today rather ugh |
18:07 |
asciilifeform |
if you gotta have wirelessism, use a standalone thing for it hanging off a proper router |
18:11 |
whaack |
question for all: do you think view-block should return the list of transactions in a block? |
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18:12 |
whaack |
!e view-block 560000 |
18:12 |
trbexplorer |
height: 560000 |
18:12 |
trbexplorer |
size: 910011 |
18:12 |
trbexplorer |
version: 549453824 |
18:12 |
trbexplorer |
prev_hash: 0000000000000000002f0bc62e1afc2c8502728bb98c7af661b4e6e75cb60b15 |
18:12 |
trbexplorer |
hash: 0000000000000000002c7b276daf6efb2b6aa68e2ce3be67ef925b3264ae7122 |
18:12 |
trbexplorer |
merkle_root: 28ee01906672e5d3f3427d22e3890057bc04df3b42da1c130f26267aeebe269b |
18:12 |
trbexplorer |
timestamp: 1548389645 |
18:12 |
trbexplorer |
target: 389010995 |
18:12 |
trbexplorer |
nonce: 1623994776 |
18:12 |
trbexplorer |
num_txns: 3300 |
18:12 |
whaack |
currently it just returns the above metadata, and the number of txns |
18:12 |
whaack |
!e view-raw-block 560000 |
18:12 |
trbexplorer |
http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=kDSR 1 of 4 http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=a4os 2 of 4 http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=jUeR 3 of 4 http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=Xia- 4 of 4 |
18:13 |
asciilifeform |
whaack: prolly best to return in a paste rather than to eat a kilometre of log, imho |
18:13 |
whaack |
yeah that view-block command is a bit obnoxious |
18:13 |
gregory5 |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-13#1072749 << the RPC protocol of Ethereum requires a Boolean flag from the user specifying whether or not he wants to see the transactions. |
18:13 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-13 13:11:59 whaack: question for all: do you think view-block should return the list of transactions in a block? |
18:14 |
asciilifeform |
gregory5: in their debug log or where? |
18:14 |
* |
whaack cringes at the thought of taking inspiration from ethereum, although that sounds like the right idea. |
18:15 |
* |
asciilifeform aint sure how this pertains to the q of whether bot oughta spit over9000 lines into log |
18:15 |
whaack |
asciilifeform: that wasn't my question |
18:15 |
asciilifeform |
seems obv. that one's rather it didnt |
18:15 |
asciilifeform |
whaack: hm do i misunderstand, what was it then? |
18:16 |
whaack |
view-block currently does not return the txns in the block, it just returns the metadata |
18:16 |
asciilifeform |
a |
18:16 |
asciilifeform |
ideally would show the tx's, imho. (in a paste) |
18:16 |
asciilifeform |
y'know, errything typically shown in a traditional heathen block exploder |
18:17 |
whaack |
asciilifeform: right. one design goal is to have ZERO use for using heathen block explorers, (apart from heathen-specific interaction, i.e. dealing with segwit addresses) |
18:17 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
18:24 |
* |
asciilifeform orig. baked 'watchglass' specifically so could stop relying on increasingly trb-hostile heathen noad exploders; as i understand whaack is doing precisely similar for the block exploders |
18:24 |
asciilifeform |
this is an a++ proj imho |
18:25 |
asciilifeform |
( imho a hypothetical 'adult trb' oughta have 1 built in and optionally toggled, visible on localhost and routed elsewhere if noad operator wants. but we aint there yet ) |
18:25 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-11-11 22:31:08 asciilifeform: imho it is however entirely possible to transplant a sane db in place of bdb. |
18:27 |
asciilifeform |
billymg's thing arguably obsoletes watchglass, asciilifeform still uses the latter largely from habit and a desire to have noad history searchable in the logz |
18:28 |
asciilifeform |
hence wai asciilifeform thinks whaack's approach ( to have block exploder operable via either www or dulapnet/pest ) is the Right Thing |
18:36 |
billymg |
yeah, i was thinking of adding bot UI to crawler |
18:36 |
billymg |
would be easy to do |
18:36 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: i seem to recall that whaack had a prototype |
18:37 |
billymg |
i thought whaack's was for his block explorer? |
18:37 |
asciilifeform |
ah yes nm he had a proto of www frontend for his exploder |
18:37 |
* |
asciilifeform on too many terminals , lol, too few head cycles |
18:44 |
whaack |
the blockexplorer is going to be published for anyone who wants to run it along with their trb |
18:44 |
whaack |
your 'blockexplorer' search history in many cases should be private |
18:45 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
18:45 |
asciilifeform |
using a public toilet to query 'have i been paid yet to this seekrit addr' rather defeats a basic point of using bitcoin to begin with |
18:46 |
* |
asciilifeform suspects that in this sense all major public blockexploders are honeypots for precisely this kinda thing |
18:46 |
asciilifeform |
'link addr to ip' etc nonsense |
18:46 |
asciilifeform |
reich finds this kinda noise interesting and occasionally pays a pittance for it |
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19:06 |
billymg |
since we're touching on this topic again, i had a follow up question that only occurred to me later, could clean (per asciilifeform's standards) be achieved via kyc exchange -> private wallet -> mixer -> private wallet? and if not, what means "clean"? |
19:06 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-10 14:10:47 asciilifeform: mats: well wouldn't be problem then, neh. would buy clean coin tho |
19:07 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: 'clean' in asciilifeform's conception simply means 'not from a gox' presently |
19:07 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: but how far back in its history? |
19:07 |
whaack |
asciilifeform: ugh sorry we are bouncing back and forth between chat logs, but i need to respond to the thread in pestnet here since here is where trbexplorer resides |
19:08 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: not immediately from a gox, i.e. didn't have to give some reich idjit yer postage addr, tax #, etc. to buy it |
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19:08 |
whaack |
!e view-txn 4945ea572a9595cef9529cd6f6afdcfdd72f3d83f7bffeae916872375100da9e |
19:08 |
trbexplorer |
http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=tgLV 1 of 1 |
19:08 |
whaack |
!e view-txn 450000 5 |
19:08 |
trbexplorer |
http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=2vop 1 of 1 |
19:08 |
whaack |
^the current block explorer allows access to txns both by (block height, index) and hash |
19:09 |
whaack |
note that the above 2 are same queries |
19:09 |
whaack |
err, the above 2 have the same result |
19:10 |
* |
whaack has to go for now |
19:10 |
PeterL |
asciilifeform: so if you buy from me and I send from gox to you, is that "clean enough" since you wouldn't have to interact with the gox directly? |
19:12 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: historically enuff, but in current day with tighter fascisms, if i buy it w/ e.g. bank wire, prolly 'as good as' if i bought from gox |
19:13 |
asciilifeform |
the correct algo today is prolly to 'buy' some benjies 1st and pay with that. req's living reasonably near yer wot folx tho. |
19:13 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-11 08:30:30 asciilifeform: cgra: nobody's in fact abolishing cash, it's an 'unprincipled exception' quite necessary for the reich to function, and attempts to phase it out give similar result to hruschev's idiocy |
19:15 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: observe that asciilifeform is 100% happy to accept coinz for rack service today, and doesn't particularly care where $customer got'em |
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19:16 |
asciilifeform |
the headaches start when you gotta deal w/ fiatola. |
19:16 |
asciilifeform |
(or if yer foolish/desperate enuff to resort to trading with strangers) |
19:18 |
* |
asciilifeform also not fiat-loaded to the degree where he could make an appreciable +% to his coin by purchasing -- hence not made much effort in this dir |
19:18 |
asciilifeform |
!q seen lobbes |
19:18 |
dulapbot |
lobbes last seen here on 2021-07-31 19:10:38: once re-established a home base of operations, I'll be able to sort some things out |
19:18 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: what about mixers? |
19:19 |
asciilifeform |
^ lobbes had a very handy auction bot, really oughta be used if folx intend to buy/sell coinz imho |
19:19 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: for what need mixers ? |
19:19 |
asciilifeform |
( not that asciilifeform is even aware of any such thing operated by anyone in his l2 ) |
19:20 |
billymg |
to break an addresses link to reich's db |
19:20 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-13 14:08:00 asciilifeform: billymg: not immediately from a gox, i.e. didn't have to give some reich idjit yer postage addr, tax #, etc. to buy it |
19:20 |
billymg |
address's* |
19:21 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: asciilifeform not fond of 'send megacoin to a stranger and maybe get some of it back' apparatus. esp. when to counter a largely imaginary problem. |
19:21 |
billymg |
right, but say one was operated by someone in-wot |
19:22 |
billymg |
how is it an imaginary problem? you mentioned it as a requirement for acquiring coin (not linked to reich db) |
19:22 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: afaik the only presently effective snoopage happens at the direct gox level |
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19:23 |
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asciilifeform recalls a debate w/ signpost re subj but can't immed locate the log ptr |
19:23 |
billymg |
i read a case study recently, can't remember where, in which they went to much more trouble (though it was for ~60k of btc, maybe from btc-e?) |
19:24 |
billymg |
as in 60k btc, not dollars of btc |
19:24 |
billymg |
involved tracking isp records, etc. |
19:24 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: keep in mind that in 'famous' cases, the 'evidence is tortured until it talks correctly' |
19:25 |
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asciilifeform not aware of anyone on planet3 being gassed, fined, or even harassed 100% from btc tx 'evidence' ab initio, to date |
19:26 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: i suppose your publicly advertised rack service is also a testament to that |
19:27 |
asciilifeform |
for instance. |
19:27 |
asciilifeform |
justabout as loud and public, with trumpets, as could be |
19:28 |
asciilifeform |
the parsimonious hypothesis is that reich for the most part simply ignores poor folx. |
19:29 |
asciilifeform |
( and there are other hypotheses fwiw ) |
19:29 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-10 14:31:34 asciilifeform: mp's hypothesis, that they want not a corpse, but a suitable actor ready to act 'correctly' and enthusiastically in show trial play , prolly had some merit. |
19:31 |
asciilifeform |
re upstack tho, observe that even if in yr or 2 asciilifeform was gassed, won't be from 'evil tx' but from loudly beating the 'gas me' drum for yr after yr |
19:33 |
billymg |
yeah, just thinking ahead to when level required to be "not poor" (and therefore worthy of attention) changes sufficiently |
19:33 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2017-12-15 asciilifeform: awaits the first fractional-btc deathray trial. |
19:33 |
asciilifeform |
the various usg corps peddling 'blockchain analysis' is largely a 'favourite son' racket like f35, and of no consequence to anyone who not already 'on conveyor' to gulag |
19:34 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: in principle possible, but dun seem esp. likely imho |
19:34 |
dulapbot |
(alethepedia) 2020-10-11 asciilifeform: thimbronion: the altcoinists -- sure . but i was speaking of the fact that the exch rate prolly aint growing another 0 -- or rather, not w/out the dollar price of archaetypical sandwich also growing a zero. |
19:35 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: "loudly beating the 'gas me' drum" like McAfee? |
19:36 |
asciilifeform |
difficult to outdo mcafee, lol |
19:36 |
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asciilifeform not a deliberate competitor in this 'olympics', but doesn't make any seekrit of e.g. offering boxes for btc etc |
19:39 |
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asciilifeform historically trades w/ l1 folx entirely in the open, except when the latter specifically request otherwise. |
19:40 |
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asciilifeform bbl in a bit |
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22:38 |
scoopbot |
New post on Blog of Peter Lambert: Pest Network Example MetaPost Figures |
22:45 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: nifty |
22:45 |
asciilifeform |
(can put arrows on the graph edges tho?) |