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02:55 signpost haha, had no idea re: walken in that music vid, but that's funny.
03:03 signpost has anyone mentioned yet that he's playing emperor shaddam in the second installment of remake?
03:06 signpost remake was forgettable, and they definitely did things like "Liet Keynes is now a Woman of Color, yey"
03:07 signpost the culture hasn't anything to say, and dares to "fix" things that did.
03:08 phf considering that 1984 liet-kynes is max von sydow…
03:10 phf or his fremen daughter chani is sean "do you like our owl?" young
03:11 phf the new dune better come with a series of free blowjobs
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06:05 verisimilitude I've noticed the latest commentator on loper-os has an interesting website.
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09:50 crtdaydreams http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-14#1102450 << oh hi, it's hayley from #common-lisp on libera
09:50 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-14 02:03:25 verisimilitude: I've noticed the latest commentator on loper-os has an interesting website.
10:01 crtdaydreams would also like to say fuck gentoo.
10:12 shinohai crtdaydreams: lol are you stuck on your install again?
10:13 crtdaydreams shinohai: yeah nah yeah
10:13 crtdaydreams I have spent 3 whole days this week sun up to sundown trying to get it working, I'm just gonna continue using void
10:14 * shinohai recalls much swearing in his forays into it, then one day "just clicked".
10:14 crtdaydreams I have literally not felt this primal anger for a long time
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10:14 crtdaydreams The frustration of compiling, recompiling and it just. doesn't. work.
10:16 crtdaydreams So yesterday, I got nvidia drivers going, turns out with a hardened kernel module signing is enabled by default.
10:17 crtdaydreams But some weird shit with xorg perms and and not having permission to access /dev/tty7 with 0 answers availiable as to why on the 'net, I decided today I was going to bulldoze, go from the top with a fresh frame of mind.
10:18 crtdaydreams ...and what good that did for me, now signing the nvidia driver doesn't work.
10:18 crtdaydreams Even disabling module signing in the kernel and recompiling fails to make a difference.
10:30 shinohai You don't by chance have `pam` module disabled system wide do you?
10:44 crtdaydreams if -pam in useflags counts then fml.
10:46 crtdaydreams nope, it's not diabled.
10:50 crtdaydreams I'm wondering if my approach is all wrong. I'm currently starting off trying to run a mimnimal build with complex useflags and package masks. I should probably just take a step back and get use it as is before moving onto dangerous optimisations.
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10:51 shinohai That might be a better move, plenty of time to rice it up and optimize further once you have a build that works. Then you can step through different config changes as time (and your understanding) permits.
10:53 crtdaydreams Eh. It depends how well things like to play. I'm inclined to believe that having a sane system + nvidia drivers just isn't possible.
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11:07 shinohai I think it was mentioned the other day, but might be best to use that particular machine as a toilet and try hand at Gentoo on a box that doesn't have that limitation.
11:10 crtdaydreams yeha. If I had a mobo w/ more than 1 pcie slot I'd be inclined to take the kvm route. i.e. a toilet virtualized on dulap
11:11 crtdaydreams pcie passthrough one gpu directly to the VM, you wouldn't know the difference.
11:11 crtdaydreams could run as many toilets on one box as ya want
11:12 crtdaydreams I'm not sleeping til i get this box going
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11:52 shinohai $ticker btc usd
11:52 busybot Current BTC price in USD: $28891.64
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12:08 crtdaydreams rip
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15:12 asciilifeform wb punkman
15:15 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-14#1102450 << indeed interesting. author's 'anti-minimalist' arguments are reminiscent of naggum's imho
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15:15 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-14 02:03:25 verisimilitude: I've noticed the latest commentator on loper-os has an interesting website.
15:15 dulapbot (trilema) 2015-08-07 asciilifeform: hence naggum pissing on scheme as a 'pedo' language that is only loved by folks who like the embryonic stage of things when they have no wrinkles (by his lights)
15:17 * asciilifeform however sees symptoms that subj had close contact with type III opensores and this left permanent scars
15:22 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-14#1102469 << buy an e.g. amd wx2100 (~100bux) and be done with it
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15:22 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-14 06:51:58 crtdaydreams: Eh. It depends how well things like to play. I'm inclined to believe that having a sane system + nvidia drivers just isn't possible.
15:22 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-07 20:24:04 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-07#1063729 << i got 1 of those amd cad card things that doesn't 3d ~at all. but worx with 100% blobless driver, and pushes 3 x '4k', which was all i needed.
15:28 punkman hey asciilifeform
15:28 punkman how's it going?
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16:03 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-14#1102467 << yep, this is why billymg questioned you about it.
16:03 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-14 06:48:39 crtdaydreams: I'm wondering if my approach is all wrong. I'm currently starting off trying to run a mimnimal build with complex useflags and package masks. I should probably just take a step back and get use it as is before moving onto dangerous optimisations.
16:03 signpost you can't change what the nvidia binwad wants on your system.
16:04 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-14#1102458 << this is silly and immature. you're flailing at a tool without taking the time to understand the tool.
16:04 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-14 06:12:48 crtdaydreams: I have literally not felt this primal anger for a long time
16:04 signpost use gentoo if you want to know of what a Linux system is comprised. if not, straight to one of the preassembled systems.
16:05 signpost and you're going to have to give yourself the time to say, understand what dynamic linking is, what the dev filesystem is, what controls permissions in it, etc
16:07 signpost consider that in everything you wrote, I don't see where there's a xorg.log barf for anyone to look at.
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16:10 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-14#1102487 << a little like this, lol. what've you been up to, punkman ?
16:10 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-14 11:26:33 punkman: how's it going?
16:12 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-14#1102495 << this. is interesting how almost erry n00b has to be taught that telepathy dun exist, nor telekinesis, gotta actually post barf & read feedback...
16:12 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-14 12:05:22 signpost: consider that in everything you wrote, I don't see where there's a xorg.log barf for anyone to look at.
16:14 punkman all good, bit tired. been browsing some logs and blog posts today
16:15 punkman listening to whaack's podcast now
16:16 * asciilifeform must bbl
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16:40 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-14#1102474 << I did this often in my 20s, grand demonstrations of my veryveryserious intent to get something done.
16:40 dulapbot Logged on 2022-05-14 07:10:50 crtdaydreams: I'm not sleeping til i get this box going
16:40 signpost I invariably produced shittier work that I had to fix later.
16:42 signpost probably wouldn't be able to build pentacle if I was letting myself get galled at every step.
16:44 signpost current lulz there involve sifting through builds of gcc with diffoscope investigating causes of bit-churn.
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16:46 signpost excellent tool btw. imagine if I were instead hashing the build output, comparing hash, getting upset, going to flail at the build process, building again...
16:46 signpost if you can't see where a problem's coming from, try solving your blindness first rather than the problem.
16:56 shinohai diffoscope looks pretty nifty signpost, never heard of it until now.
16:58 signpost debian did a lot of work on reproducible builds.
17:10 signpost I'm using it via git's "difftool" command. example output: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=EVAO
17:10 signpost debug sections churning between builds
17:12 signpost the way I'm handling those is doing uses debug || strip -d ... in the pbuild.
17:18 punkman browsing random software docs and seeing Ukraine banners everywhere, how did this become a thing
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17:20 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-16#1096417
17:20 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-16 19:07:48 phf: i mean, why is nobody even questioning this aspect? the millions of compounding effects that pervasive internet has on humanity as a whole?
17:21 punkman been knee-deep in some "modern" php/javascript code last few weeks, the perverts are doing unspeakable things
17:21 punkman npm build some stupid javascript thing -> downloads 250mb of libraries
17:21 signpost ah welcome to hell punkman.
17:22 * signpost has transpiled some webpacked javashits in his day.
17:23 * signpost gonna enjoy sunshine at the pool for a bit.
17:24 billymg punkman: it's a nightmare
17:26 punkman I did find a nice javascript thing, alpinejs, got the UI I needed done in a couple days
17:27 punkman but looking PHP stuff, seems like they have gone full enterprise-java-mode
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17:30 punkman also this https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/big-sabotage-famous-npm-package-deletes-files-to-protest-ukraine-war/
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17:31 billymg i'll have to check out alpinejs. i've heard vue.js is supposed to be the new, lighter-weight, react, but haven't tried it myself yet
17:44 punkman billymg: vue seemed as horrible as any of the "reactive" frameworks. I rewrote multi-megabyte vue thing to 400-500 lines of vanilla-js/jquery a couple years back.
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17:46 billymg punkman: that was my intuition just going by the people who were pushing it
17:47 punkman alpinejs, you just drop a <script> tag and it works. no build,compile,transpile crap.
17:48 punkman although trying to figure out how to write "current" vanilla js is a challenge
17:48 punkman how many fucking ways do you need to define a function
17:51 billymg lol i thought there were still only two ways
17:53 punkman no no, we really needed this way to write functions: () => a + b
17:53 punkman makes total sense
17:53 punkman I think they copied it in PHP 8
17:54 billymg i like arrow functions, makes it more "functional" and lisp-like
17:57 billymg (a,b) => a + b vs. (lambda (a b) (+ a b)) vs. old school js: function myFunc(a, b) { return a +b; }
17:58 billymg can't remember if you can even do anonymous functions with the function keyword in js
17:58 billymg hm, i guess you can
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18:55 verisimilitude The word ``scribbler'' is obviously related to ``scribe'' related to the Latin SCRĪBERE.
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20:10 mats its going to be amazing when the fed stops buying mortgage bonds in june
20:10 mats consider going a little into cash
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21:36 signpost mmmmhm
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23:17 verisimilitude What's that article explaining how Bitcoin helps an apple seller against cartels?
23:18 verisimilitude I wish to criticize it.
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