00:00 |
asciilifeform |
vex: lol saw the sodimm and thought 'hm finally an rk w/ expandable ram?' then 'mnope, yet anuther cpu-on-sodimm + periphs snoar board' |
00:00 |
asciilifeform |
over9000 of these |
00:01 |
asciilifeform |
( double snoar considering it's a 'raspberry' ) |
00:01 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-27 18:14:00 asciilifeform: re 'raspberry', see also e.g.. |
00:02 |
asciilifeform |
infamous 'blob to boot, blob to run' shitchipset, and over9000 aggressively pushed by vendor for decade+ nao |
00:02 |
phf |
asciilifeform: can also put in risc-v if so desire, TBF. (i had a moment of weakness, was contemplating it, eventually realized that it's utter trash) |
00:02 |
vex |
apparenylt the plastic is shitastic also |
00:03 |
asciilifeform |
phf: prolly could, if can get 1 for the socket. |
00:03 |
phf |
asciilifeform: no no i mean they sell it |
00:03 |
asciilifeform |
( but wainot an actual mb ? ) |
00:03 |
asciilifeform |
a |
00:03 |
vex |
risc is new |
00:03 |
asciilifeform |
never understood wai no one ever sold a pc-style mb for'em |
00:03 |
asciilifeform |
y'know, the kind that eats standard ram, standard pci/pcie, ports, etc |
00:03 |
phf |
https://www.clockworkpi.com/product-page/copy-of-clockworkpi-core-r-01 |
00:03 |
* |
asciilifeform had one w/ a xilinx where cpu normally lives |
00:04 |
mangol |
is riscv's niche different from mips? |
00:04 |
verisimilitude |
I loathe RISC. |
00:04 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-03 00:29:41 verisimilitude: RISC-V is a stupid cult of masturbating academics who think spending ten years on the description of a shitty toy instruction set is anything resembling a reasonable action; it's naught, but stupidity. |
00:04 |
asciilifeform |
mangol: see likbez |
00:04 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-02 13:40:41 asciilifeform: PeterL: originally riscvism was a licensetard 'reaction' to the mips patents |
00:04 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-01 20:43:52 asciilifeform: vaguely suspects that the riscv thing is, for lack of a better term, a 'stopper' -- i.e. exists to occupy the market niche just enuff to prevent the appearance of the real thing. |
00:05 |
mangol |
but now mips is open too? |
00:05 |
asciilifeform |
mangol: last mips patent expired many yrs ago |
00:06 |
verisimilitude |
In nearly every instance I observe an old computer architecture discussed, I read it being described as a RISC; it's irrelevant how many instructions are available, their forms, or what operations they perform, as is how much memory was available to its machines; it will likely be described as a RISC. |
00:06 |
verisimilitude |
`` I've also seen the supposedly rare CISC be described as RISC, because it's ``RISC internally''; this dissonance of ideas that would lead to idiots giving everything a meaningless label makes sense when these idiots are correctly identified as cultists. There's a compulsion to colour everything with a particular shade, so the dominion of the cult becomes the world. This is a general pattern of note.'' |
00:07 |
asciilifeform |
'riscv' is effectively mips cosmetically mutilated to get around orig. patent; but in actual practice was an 'openwashing' scheme to push vendorlockwares of various flavours |
00:07 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-10-25 13:15:43 asciilifeform: bonechewer: there's this variety of 'pseudo-open source' that is esp. pestilential in re: hardware -- y'know, where 'you can have the src, but all you can do with it is gawk because missing x,y,z,p,q,r essential parts, with various excuses' |
00:08 |
mangol |
thanks |
00:08 |
asciilifeform |
incl. xilinx's 'periph cores' and other 'well here's a cpu , but whatcha gonna do w/out sdram, nic, etc, here's ours' |
00:08 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-10-25 13:11:41 asciilifeform: bonechewer: what's the newsworthy part ? there's already 'over9000' riscv already posted, and some even fit in ice40. (the issue with all of these is that they either fit in ice40, xor have decent performance. typically for the latter relies on various proprietary ram controllers & other periphs not included in src) |
00:08 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-10-25 13:16:12 asciilifeform: 'oh of course it doesn't have a sdram controller, we licensed altera's' etc |
00:08 |
mangol |
from wikipedia MIPS article: |
00:08 |
mangol |
In December 2018, Wave Computing, the new owner of the MIPS architecture, announced that MIPS ISA would be open-sourced in a program dubbed the MIPS Open initiative. The program was intended to open up access to the most recent versions of both the 32-bit and 64-bit designs making them available without any licensing or royalty fees as well as granting participants licenses to existing MIPS patents. |
00:08 |
mangol |
In March 2019, one version of the architecture was made available under a royalty-free license, but later that year the program was shut down again. |
00:08 |
mangol |
In March 2021, Wave Computing announced that the development of the MIPS architecture has ceased. The company has joined the RISC-V foundation and future processor designs will be based on the RISC-V architecture. In spite of this, some licensees such as Longsoon continue with new extension of MIPS-compatible ISAs on their own. |
00:08 |
asciilifeform |
a very common flavour of scamsauce, reminiscent of e.g. intel's 'open source bios' (which built only on mswin and w/ 400MB of blobs) |
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00:09 |
mangol |
literally 400MD? |
00:09 |
mangol |
*MB |
00:09 |
mangol |
i.e. not hyperbole |
00:09 |
asciilifeform |
what mips needs imho is 'undevelopment', lol |
00:09 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-01 21:35:09 asciilifeform: fond of mips , w/ exception of the liquishit instrs w/ unaligned byte and 'halfword' access; fuck unaligned loads. |
00:09 |
verisimilitude |
That's tiny nowadays, mangol. |
00:10 |
asciilifeform |
mangol: actually weighed moar, but iirc at least that |
00:11 |
asciilifeform |
mangol: see, btw, asciilifeform's mips (kudos to phf for keeping that mirror, btw) -- most of what's in the mips dun need to exist at all |
00:11 |
mangol |
M, yes |
00:11 |
asciilifeform |
^ will disappoint folx who learned mipsism from schoolbook, e.g. hennesey |
00:11 |
phf |
obligatory lone tear for SPARC, which /is/ both open and royalty free, but too lovely of a design to actually develop |
00:12 |
* |
asciilifeform once managed to actually build & enxilinx 'opensparc' |
00:12 |
verisimilitude |
I've heard good things about implementing Lisp under Sparc, yes. |
00:12 |
asciilifeform |
ultra-heavy |
00:12 |
verisimilitude |
I'm joking. |
00:13 |
verisimilitude |
Personally, I think the SH architecture and the NEC V50 look nice. |
00:14 |
verisimilitude |
Knuth's MMIX is particularly nice, but doesn't exist as a chip. |
00:14 |
phf |
last sparc i worked with https://navspark.mybigcommerce.com/navspark-arduino-compatible-development-board-with-gps/ |
00:15 |
asciilifeform |
phf: ha, i've a 'riscv' thing from apparently same vendor that loox physically identical. but unsurprise given that they're actually chinese fpga (altera clone, sadly 100% closed toolchain) demo boards |
00:15 |
asciilifeform |
so 1 has a riscv, 1 -- sparc, possib others |
00:15 |
asciilifeform |
iirc the fpga turd is actually reflashable, w/ the toolkit in principle could load own |
00:18 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: personally moar interested in taking all that crystal real estate and planting sumthing useful in place of the fucktarded mmu / tlb logic, e.g. iron gc |
00:18 |
verisimilitude |
A systolic array is neat. |
00:19 |
asciilifeform |
( who the fuck needs mmu if pointers never exposed to user , and if he wants to 'jail' a process, can simply evaluate its sexpr in an env where symbols are bound how he likes ) |
00:20 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: some things neat from 'great pyramid of cheops is neat' pov, but not so much from pov of someone who has to inhabit |
00:20 |
verisimilitude |
It's APL in hardware. |
00:20 |
asciilifeform |
afaik mostly used in gpu & similar , where nought to do w/ apl, naodays |
00:21 |
verisimilitude |
One thing is certain to me: People should avoid designing hardware without a real problem to guide it. |
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00:21 |
asciilifeform |
gotta be careful when thinking 'x is y-in-hardware'. is it? |
00:21 |
asciilifeform |
or is simply sumbody's misguided idea of how to 'hardwarize' y |
00:22 |
asciilifeform |
or is entirely other thing, and through wishful thinking reader thinks 'aah finally y in hardware' |
00:22 |
verisimilitude |
Most systolic array designs are for neural network nonsense, nowadays. |
00:22 |
asciilifeform |
proper 'hardwarization' actually eliminates complexity, rather than merely moving it |
00:23 |
asciilifeform |
take nn. e.g. the '80s attempts to bake ~analogue~ nn (i.e. outta op amps in vlsi) -- actually reduces the complexity, and devonneumannizes . the current-day crapolade -- not so much |
00:23 |
phf |
was expecting tmsr to fully move onto oberon eventually |
00:23 |
verisimilitude |
That can be a matter of perspective. |
00:24 |
verisimilitude |
I've seen an analog neural network design lately. |
00:24 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: for sale, and w/ datashit ? |
00:24 |
asciilifeform |
( or, lol, in 'paper' ? ) |
00:25 |
phf |
asciilifeform: it was a college project somebody published, so yeah paper |
00:25 |
asciilifeform |
lolk |
00:28 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-07#1094070 << at this pt, imho, all the heft dragging from the obese lardcarcass of current-day comp is a problem per se |
00:28 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-07 20:20:07 verisimilitude: One thing is certain to me: People should avoid designing hardware without a real problem to guide it. |
00:29 |
asciilifeform |
take even the bus . |
00:29 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-17 14:14:26 asciilifeform: behold, e.g. pci bus init on x64 pc. book-length horror. |
00:29 |
verisimilitude |
``The hardware can floorb as quickly as possible; wait, do I need to floorb?'' |
00:29 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: aha, see above re e.g. tlb |
00:30 |
asciilifeform |
( iirc up to 10-20% of modern-day cpu die -- tlb cache ! ) |
00:31 |
asciilifeform |
... or the idiocy of ieee floatingpoint. |
00:31 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2018-11-15 asciilifeform: and buncha crapola -- page table, floating point, etc. that simply dun need to exist. |
00:32 |
asciilifeform |
( a 'feature' which makes approx as much sense as ibm's 'bcd' ) |
00:32 |
phf |
can replace with lambda calculus |
00:33 |
asciilifeform |
even if you work on thermonuke sims, if yer numerics people can't work in integer arithm to do whatever, fire'em and get new ones |
00:33 |
asciilifeform |
hire e.g. carmack, with his integer quake. |
00:35 |
asciilifeform |
and recall infamous 'fdiv bug'. say, if instead of that nonsense, had rational arithmetic tower ? |
00:38 |
verisimilitude |
Take my NaN from my NaN you NaNs! |
00:39 |
verisimilitude |
Joking aside, none of my programs touch floating point. |
00:39 |
asciilifeform |
( or recall the webtards' beloves js, where 1-1+1-1... after not long gives you an 'epsilon' ) |
00:39 |
asciilifeform |
*beloved js |
00:40 |
asciilifeform |
( by 'logic' analogous to this, 'hmm we can only have one, so let's pick float' ) |
00:40 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-05 16:33:59 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-05#1093063 << the lispms had proper lower case. ( legend has it, 'dark age' irons which had only enuff rom for 1 font case, initially were to have the moar readable lower, but some churchgoing type objected, 'we oughtnt write the lord's name in lowercase'...) |
00:40 |
vex |
1995 angelina jolie had never heard of it |
00:41 |
vex |
were they sitting in coffee shops in that movie? |
00:41 |
* |
asciilifeform not gets the ref |
00:41 |
phf |
cool? it sounds like a bunch of communist propaganda to me |
00:42 |
vex |
someone mentioned the 1995 movie hackers in your chan days ago. unless I dreamed it |
00:46 |
vex |
java indeed. call the thing sulaweisi |
00:57 |
* |
vex lost the plot. bbl |
01:03 |
asciilifeform |
meanwhile in fishwrap laffs. |
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01:28 |
vex |
woke |
01:36 |
vex |
wasnb't there a hot ny minute when woke meant the opposite? |
01:37 |
vex |
and Q was real? |
01:42 |
vex |
speaking of fishwrap.. whats coingeek up to? |
01:47 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Osqf4oIK0E8 |
01:52 |
* |
vex takes a noon sight |
02:00 |
vex |
close enuff |
02:08 |
vex |
I exist aprox where I thought |
02:21 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ5fIKmn1ok |
02:29 |
phf |
vex: woke started on the black fringe, and indicated being awake and aware of the hidden history. i've not actually heard woke being used to mean awareness of racial issues, maybe because people i was talking to were polite, or maybe it was grafted on later on. popular subjects were raw foodism, we waz kangs, or ((they)) keeping the black man down. |
02:30 |
vex |
I've never heard that one before |
02:33 |
phf |
in fact the kind of shit i talked to with woke blacks was the kind of stuff you later heard in qanon circles, it's basically robert anton wilson grade jambalaya of conspiracy theories. those conversations were always great fun, because it's like reading philip k dick, but live, and the person riffing has a very different perspective on this things. "see, brother, the jews, they killed jfk, because he was going to liberate the |
02:33 |
phf |
brothers. read rev. washington t. black, he talks about it!" |
02:34 |
phf |
shit, one of the early in person bitcoin conversations i had was with one of those post-MOVE west philadelphia black guys, who described every kind of food as either being pranic or not. he started telling me about bitcoin, on account of how it'll liberate the brothers from the jew bankers |
02:39 |
phf |
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-20#1852418 |
02:41 |
phf |
http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-21#1281344 |
02:42 |
phf |
so these guys will say "stay woke" meaning "you're clearly aware of what's /really going on/ and i approve of that, carry on" |
02:46 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyLnG1Sekvk |
02:47 |
phf |
vex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9OjPQMnY7c this is more conversation appropriate |
02:51 |
vex |
phf comes correctly |
02:51 |
vex |
nya slave |
02:52 |
* |
asciilifeform oughta add echo for phf's linx ( observe, they correctly tunnel to asciilifeform's logism ) but loathe to restart bot |
02:52 |
asciilifeform |
!q uptime |
02:52 |
dulapbot |
asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 295d 23h 48m |
02:52 |
asciilifeform |
( or phf plug bot in here ? ) |
02:53 |
phf |
oughta |
02:53 |
* |
asciilifeform was quite fond of phf's logotron, to this day not copied all the pheatures (e.g. backlinkage) |
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02:54 |
asciilifeform |
(iirc ran w/out sqlism, even, 100% in mmap'd ram) |
02:55 |
asciilifeform |
asciilifeform's logotron ftr. there are also a coupla billymg mods that possibly aint in there |
02:56 |
phf |
asciilifeform: original cmucl version was mmaped, but when porting to sbcl due to frequent crashes had to make the whole thing in memory, which is also major reason why ia haven't expanded it. needs to be made mmaped again, to support multiple channels. otherwise unreasonably memory heavy |
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02:56 |
asciilifeform |
a |
02:56 |
asciilifeform |
unlikely 'memory heavy' stood next to e.g. trb, lol |
02:57 |
phf |
Dynamic space usage is: 479,119,344 bytes. |
02:57 |
asciilifeform |
toobig for my msdos box but otherwise svelte |
02:57 |
phf |
500mb in memory! prepostrous! |
02:59 |
asciilifeform |
e.g. asciilifeform has iirc 4g cache set just for postgres. so stood next to ~that~, light.. |
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03:00 |
* |
asciilifeform running logotron & its www on 256g/32cpu hog. and still sometimes lags.. |
03:01 |
asciilifeform |
it also runs 'dulapnet' but that weights next to nuffin |
03:01 |
asciilifeform |
*weighs |
03:04 |
* |
asciilifeform pretty happy w/ current isp atm |
03:04 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-01 16:10:27 asciilifeform: ... for current shitpnoje wireless , is a visible to naked eye 'lolno'. but interestingly enuff asciilifeform's dc in fact delivered 'five nines' service in 2021. i.e. <6min of dead time in yr |
03:06 |
asciilifeform |
... and costs 10x less than piz cage ( let's say 5x, moar exactly, given that there's ~half of errything ) |
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03:16 |
phf |
asciilifeform: do you ever experience a problem with mc, where f6 a folder from machine to machine, it moves the files but leaves the folder behind? |
03:19 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k0ziDkXSV8 |
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03:44 |
asciilifeform |
phf: defo experienced, but iirc only on crapple |
03:45 |
asciilifeform |
( why -- mystery ) |
03:48 |
signpost |
maybe dotfile turds, .DS_Store or w/e? |
03:48 |
asciilifeform |
something peculiar re the fs , yea. iirc also seen on nfs mounts |
03:53 |
verisimilitude |
I was just reminded of the microplastics issue about which I can do naught. |
03:53 |
asciilifeform |
? |
03:54 |
vex |
truth be told |
03:54 |
asciilifeform |
watsa 'microplastic' ? |
03:54 |
verisimilitude |
It was simply brought again to the forefront of my mind that we're constantly being poisoned. |
03:55 |
verisimilitude |
Apparently, plastic breaks down into microscopic particles that behave similarly to estrogen, asciilifeform. |
03:55 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: ~plasticizer~ seep |
03:55 |
verisimilitude |
What? |
03:55 |
vex |
tooling up for proper work is a lost art |
03:56 |
signpost |
can remove quite a lot of them by avoiding buying certain products |
03:56 |
signpost |
but yes, gonna be hard to get it out of the tap. |
03:56 |
verisimilitude |
I avoid plastics, but still. |
03:56 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: light organics added to plastics to make 'springy' (think 'water flasks' etc) |
03:58 |
asciilifeform |
they're only 'mostly' trapped in the solid, and on surface often enuff seeps out, esp. as it flexes |
03:58 |
* |
signpost uses filters that claim to remove 'em, and has silicone and glass for food containers |
03:59 |
mats |
think its a real stretch to say they all mimic estrogen |
03:59 |
mats |
considering how poorly understood they are |
03:59 |
* |
asciilifeform fwiw suffered continuous, yr-round allergy ever since came to usa. and when leaves -- stops. suspected all kindsa pollutants, but evidently culprit is something that is present in literally erry hotel room , house, etc in north a |
03:59 |
asciilifeform |
prolly not the plasticizers tho |
04:00 |
asciilifeform |
in re 'poisoned' |
04:00 |
vex |
buck up |
04:00 |
signpost |
mats: yeah, it's probably worse than such a simple answer. |
04:01 |
verisimilitude |
It's simply unpleasant to remember that I've been poisoned, mutilated, humiliated, and lied to throughout my life. |
04:01 |
signpost |
asciilifeform: I'm currently getting the immunotherapy to turn these down |
04:01 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: surely not 'just realized' today |
04:01 |
verisimilitude |
Of course not. |
04:01 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: how's that work ? |
04:01 |
mats |
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/odd-lots/id1056200096?i=1000556504548 |
04:01 |
verisimilitude |
Still. |
04:01 |
* |
signpost has zero allergies whenever in new england, though. |
04:01 |
mats |
https://archive.ph/Nig0z transcript |
04:01 |
signpost |
asciilifeform: they shot my back up with a grid of allergens and pure histamine |
04:02 |
signpost |
compare the allergens to the histamine, then they make you vials of everything that turned red |
04:02 |
* |
signpost had more or less 10x10 red grid, lol |
04:02 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: from that pov, asciilifeform already in 30th yr of 'immunotherapy'-by-exposure to $poison, eh |
04:02 |
verisimilitude |
I know the only reasonable action is to ignore it for the most part, but I felt like mentioning it. |
04:02 |
asciilifeform |
to 0 substantial effect |
04:02 |
signpost |
n of 1, but working for me. allergies are subsiding. |
04:03 |
signpost |
not without cost, had my left hip start acting up along the way, lost my voice last week. |
04:03 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: at one pt asciilifeform had 'allergy test', where 100+ pins stuck in his back, 'which turns red', none did |
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04:03 |
signpost |
getting shot up with concentrated shit to which I'm allergic, after all. |
04:03 |
mats |
a food sensitivity and allergy panel would be useful |
04:03 |
signpost |
huh |
04:03 |
mats |
two different things |
04:03 |
asciilifeform |
in re 'test for to what allergic' |
04:04 |
asciilifeform |
the testers came out with a 'yer not allergic' |
04:04 |
asciilifeform |
'to anything' |
04:04 |
signpost |
yeah, might be food, or what's in the "food" |
04:04 |
vex |
indeed in australia, you'd het a spponful of cement |
04:04 |
asciilifeform |
claimed that all known food allergens in there. nfi |
04:04 |
signpost |
or it's that shit the russians are pumping into the water in the bullseye. |
04:04 |
vex |
harden the fuck up |
04:05 |
* |
signpost does not subscribe to this school of manliness, where I'm going to avoid whatever science can do to remove nature's irritants. |
04:05 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: whatever it is , apparently present in dc, nyc, chicago, etc. yr-round |
04:05 |
asciilifeform |
but not in e.g. ro, uy |
04:06 |
* |
signpost doesn't imagine you eat sugar endlessly, but ever dropped e.g. carbs to clear out the butt fungus? |
04:06 |
asciilifeform |
tried moar or less erry variation |
04:06 |
asciilifeform |
and , again, ate plenty of sugar overseas |
04:06 |
mats |
do you have an air purifier? |
04:06 |
asciilifeform |
mats: in erry room |
04:06 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns15eHLDv1I |
04:06 |
signpost |
fwiw when I traveled to CR, perhaps the best my gut has ever felt. |
04:07 |
signpost |
that fresh ceviche is good stuff. |
04:07 |
asciilifeform |
mats: the type w/ activated charcoal, electrostatic trap, etc |
04:07 |
asciilifeform |
it does save on cpu fan clean |
04:07 |
mats |
like its part of your whole home hvac system or standalone units |
04:07 |
asciilifeform |
mats: there also |
04:07 |
mats |
sucks |
04:08 |
* |
asciilifeform tries all kindsa commercial 'solutions' to subj, interestingly the only thing that 100% worx is plane ticket |
04:08 |
mats |
have you used an air quality monitor? temtop makes a good one |
04:09 |
signpost |
yeah, curious about pollution. |
04:09 |
asciilifeform |
mats: installed. show 0 detectable anyffins |
04:10 |
asciilifeform |
( granted konsoomer sensors, typically rather coarse ) |
04:10 |
mats |
if you have a good hvac system it prolly doesnt matter |
04:10 |
asciilifeform |
mats: at one pt suspected forced-air duct systems ('endless trap for dust') |
04:11 |
asciilifeform |
but then lived in flat w/out one and 0diff |
04:11 |
verisimilitude |
So this is only in the US? |
04:11 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: so far |
04:11 |
verisimilitude |
Perhaps asciilifeform is allergic to FREEDOM. |
04:11 |
asciilifeform |
lolha |
04:11 |
asciilifeform |
fleadom |
04:11 |
verisimilitude |
Yes. |
04:12 |
phf |
god damn i was hue hueing through the end of the log, going to hit asciilifeform with a zinger, but verisimilitude sniped it |
04:13 |
* |
signpost figures this is the operant conditioning they give you guys at birth in the motherland to call you home. |
04:13 |
* |
asciilifeform not been to anyffin close to 'whole globe' so cannot say '~only~ usa'. but so far there and only |
04:18 |
verisimilitude |
Tell us if Antartica suffers this as well, yes. |
04:19 |
* |
asciilifeform when smaller was dragged by parents to various medical quacks, who did over9000 expensive scans ('mebbe yer spinal fluid is leaking out yer nose!') , the allergy panels, etc |
04:19 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: i promise to say if end up there |
04:19 |
verisimilitude |
Actually, given how people live there, it may be likely. |
04:20 |
asciilifeform |
anyways all this apropos of 'poisons thrd' |
04:21 |
asciilifeform |
( at least fwiw whatever the fuck it is, aint cumulative, or plane ticket wouldn't 'cure' ) |
04:21 |
verisimilitude |
I should leave the US at least once in my life. |
04:22 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: if only to discover which continent yer allergic to!11 |
04:23 |
phf |
commendatori! |
04:26 |
* |
asciilifeform bbl |
04:27 |
* |
vex still paddle out |
04:28 |
signpost |
https://archive.ph/lWETy << could be we're all too damn clean. |
04:28 |
signpost |
need to eat moar poop. |
04:28 |
vex |
nah mate |
04:29 |
signpost |
I don't make the rules here vex, and mother nature's a sick bitch. |
04:30 |
vex |
true enough |
04:31 |
verisimilitude |
First horsefucking and now coprophilia; where does it end, signpost? |
04:31 |
vex |
i seen that rusina lake unrecue |
04:32 |
vex |
don't talk shit |
04:32 |
verisimilitude |
Don't talk shit, eat shit, apparently. |
04:33 |
mats |
in boston theres a place that will buy poo from donors |
04:33 |
mats |
some students made serious beer money doing it regularly |
04:33 |
mats |
open biome's waitlist was more than a year long when i signed up |
04:34 |
vex |
i practice rescues all the time |
04:35 |
signpost |
yeah, I know somebody that joined the sisterhood of the traveling poo. |
04:35 |
signpost |
apparently worked wonders on her celiacs issues. |
04:37 |
signpost |
verisimilitude: doesn't mean I like the idea, but the idea of "clean" food is probably pretty recent, certainly on evolutionary timescales. |
04:37 |
signpost |
we'll probably be taking tuned probiotic regimens when we understand it better. |
04:39 |
phf |
and then they eat da poo poo |
04:39 |
vex |
you make a figure of 8 if somone fslls off |
04:40 |
vex |
get eyes on the cunt. ignore the compass |
04:41 |
signpost |
phf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9c1tP5inhg << oblig |
04:41 |
signpost |
textbook "protesting too much" |
04:45 |
vex |
even if you come back around, someone has to scoop the cunt out of the water |
04:47 |
vex |
it's proper to practice whwen it's not happenning |
04:48 |
signpost |
wut |
04:50 |
vex |
alf for instance, need to know evry uhf descriptor |
04:51 |
vex |
if there's a fire in the engine room. that 400 mega |
04:51 |
signpost |
I've got null pointer exceptions all over this, my man. |
04:53 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tnbcuzQB30 |
04:56 |
vex |
thetre's a method where a captain save a soldier in the dark |
04:59 |
* |
signpost gonna knock off, cya |
05:01 |
vex |
it's easy to ignor a sinking man. also easy to know th e method |
05:01 |
vex |
first 5 minutes after the hour are quiet tiem on vhf |
05:03 |
vex |
one must listen for madays\ |
05:04 |
* |
vex never wailed for helm |
05:05 |
vex |
same rulez exist on hf |
05:06 |
vex |
master can wail anywhere for the sfaety |
05:12 |
vex |
the backstays are tuned just so |
05:13 |
vex |
making calcs inside |
05:18 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h3Sfl7-OyM |
05:23 |
vex |
i'd better fuck off too. bermuda triangle aint np joke |
05:23 |
vex |
victor echo xray. I'm frigtened |
05:27 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8alNxLjCBJc when u clap at the busstop |
05:40 |
vex |
that's called propwalk kids |
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11:27 |
mangol |
Fast-spreading HIV variant doubles rate of immune system decline |
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13:35 |
asciilifeform |
$ticker btc usd |
13:35 |
busybot |
Current BTC price in USD: $42870.8 |
13:36 |
asciilifeform |
!w poll |
13:36 |
watchglass |
Polling 15 nodes... |
13:36 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=730980 |
13:36 |
watchglass |
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13:36 |
watchglass |
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13:36 |
watchglass |
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watchglass |
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watchglass |
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watchglass |
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watchglass |
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watchglass |
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watchglass |
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watchglass |
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watchglass |
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watchglass |
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13:37 |
watchglass |
143.202.160.10:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.) |
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14:02 |
mangol |
in surrealism, pg twitter thread |
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~ 37 minutes ~ |
14:39 |
asciilifeform |
mangol: 0 surprises in there |
14:48 |
asciilifeform |
( pg is a rather undisguised reich mouthpiece ) |
14:48 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-10 11:21:10 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-10#1078670 << see also e.g.. |
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15:40 |
mangol |
asciilifeform: are you saying pg is the scott adams type of character? |
15:41 |
mangol |
technically competent and socially ambitious; social ambition eventually takes over, and semi-consciously turns self into mouthpiece |
15:42 |
mangol |
pg used to be a genuine contrarian on at least a few topics. now his twitter feed looks like he's trying to maximize "likes" from the startup social circle, with no regard for anything else |
15:49 |
mangol |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2016-08-17#1523305 << can you explain this in more detail? are there actually handlers who tap on the shoulder of the pg's now and then and tell them now would be a good time to push an angle? |
15:49 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2016-08-17 asciilifeform: a good chunk of what the 'genius splitters' are kept around for is to be blown on annoyances like phuctor. |
15:52 |
asciilifeform |
mangol: typically pg-level operators aint given scripts, but 'play jazz', i.e. know what's expected and improvise ad lib |
15:54 |
asciilifeform |
mangol: re 'genuine contrarian' -- fella was involved (by own admission) in the yahoo pyramid scheme. then opened 'factory' which produced similar ones. |
15:56 |
asciilifeform |
( see e.g. mp re subj ) |
15:56 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2018-04-20 mircea_popescu: the "5k user discord server" is not substantially different from a piece of paper on which you wrote the number 5 followed by the letter k, or for that matter paul graham's yahoo scam ( http://trilema.com/2015/investigations-in-the-bone-heap-of-the-lost-generation-today-mashable/#footnote_6_59020 / http://trilema.com/2014/the-psychology-of-the-bagholder/#selection-117.0-117.539 ). |
15:58 |
asciilifeform |
... also produced lengthy series of various bloviations. |
15:58 |
asciilifeform |
prior to that, in '90s, wrote a notbad schoolbook re commonlisp. |
15:58 |
asciilifeform |
from there, 'down hill'. |
16:00 |
mangol |
contrarian compared to avg programmer, not compared to avg loper reader. early on he was constantly saying borderline-nsfw stuff, or struggling to contain the urge to say it |
16:02 |
mangol |
at some point the urge was all but gone, and public image curated to be just the right amount of edgy without actually saying anything disagreeable to his echo chamber du jour |
16:04 |
mangol |
"know what's expected"... to what end? what does a millionaire want to get, such that he needs to fulfill expectations to get it? |
16:05 |
asciilifeform |
mangol: 'significance' |
16:05 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-07 13:38:56 phf: i think mallory is the reason neither you nor signpost like horses, kek. man is an "avid skier" of the brandy at a lodge in aspen type, carrier apparatchik, living out his last days by way of his class. why do anything with symbolics assets when you can just feel self important by owning it, in that respect no different from a jade jewelry box from the orient, or a lion's head over a mantel |
16:06 |
asciilifeform |
mangol: and, the 'fulfill expectations' thing is largely automatic. these folx selected for it. |
16:06 |
mangol |
i.e. get comfortable in old age, and no longer want much of anything besides approval of wife and peer group? |
16:07 |
asciilifeform |
he 'is' the group. rather like gorby 'was kpss' |
16:10 |
mangol |
society raises x number of people who are gifted, ambitious and don't ask too many questions -> reich gives money and fame -> said people get comfortable and keep repeating working script? |
16:10 |
asciilifeform |
aaha. |
16:12 |
mangol |
so the only stage at which reich control is applied is selecting who to fund |
16:12 |
asciilifeform |
mangol: important detail: some of'em play role of judas goat, to lure next set into intake hopper. |
16:12 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-07 19:19:27 asciilifeform: oblig. 'adonis xiv' |
16:12 |
asciilifeform |
pg is (or was, iirc an apprentice took over) a key judas. |
16:14 |
asciilifeform |
mangol: and not only 'who to fund', but 'who to spam', 'for whom to make adhoc exceptions in law' (e.g. 'uber', 'airbnb', 'coinbase'), etc |
16:16 |
asciilifeform |
( re 'coinbase', see also e.g. ) |
16:16 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-11-01 15:58:55 asciilifeform: ( i.e. avg. rev. of 3-4 cents / qt. per user ?! ) |
16:16 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-11-01 16:06:09 asciilifeform: at any rate, seems obv. to anybody with 3 neurons to rub together that coinbase is simply 'lean' usg.spyagency masquerading as a gox. |
16:16 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-11-01 15:48:21 asciilifeform: 'Coinbase, in fact, has a regulatory moat as they were the first to work closely with regulators and hence have licenses to operate in all states in the US...' << lolyes |
16:20 |
asciilifeform |
pg's yc co. , as i gather, was orig. built to take ambitious young technical folx 'out of circulation', prevent'em from 'rocking boat'. but expanded beyond original charter, to also pull various politically-expedient stunts that reich needs pulled but not good fit for officials per se or 'ngo'. |
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16:20 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-07 13:52:55 phf: signpost: this is actually not megacorp, this is a different kind of beast, that 99% of americans don't know or understand. the NGO |
16:20 |
asciilifeform |
e.g. to bake reich's Official tame gox (coinbase), or saw away at whatever remaining labour laws (uber), etc |
16:20 |
mangol |
cool short film |
16:21 |
mangol |
pink floyd at the end?? |
16:21 |
mangol |
time |
16:22 |
asciilifeform |
nfi |
16:22 |
* |
asciilifeform dun recall that being in there |
16:24 |
mangol |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-08#1094355 << universities and corporate research labs have long been given gov't tasks, right? |
16:24 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-08 12:18:59 asciilifeform: pg's yc co. , as i gather, was orig. built to take ambitious young technical folx 'out of circulation', prevent'em from 'rocking boat'. but expanded beyond original charter, to also pull various politically-expedient stunts that reich needs pulled but not good fit for officials per se or 'ngo'. |
16:25 |
asciilifeform |
mangol: overt tasks. but 'long in the tooth', bureaucratized. pg's was to be 'lean' |
16:25 |
mangol |
maybe academia and corporations have been affirmative-actioned to the point that startup incubators are more expedient |
16:25 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
16:26 |
mangol |
yc's immediate funding source is basically vc's like andreesen and his ilk |
16:26 |
asciilifeform |
not to mention that for some problem domains, 'over9000 expendable 19yos' is moar effective than 'uni lab w/ over9000 admins and 4 tenured profs' |
16:26 |
asciilifeform |
mangol: i.e. printing press. |
16:27 |
mangol |
do the vc's get told what kinda startup to fund and where to lead it? |
16:27 |
asciilifeform |
doubt it |
16:27 |
asciilifeform |
they 'play jazz' |
16:27 |
asciilifeform |
a quality apparatchik ~never needs to 'be told' |
16:28 |
mangol |
so 'ambition' is the natural lure? |
16:29 |
mangol |
drop vague territorial markers around certain objectives to make them seem ambitious. driven people will flock to these |
16:29 |
asciilifeform |
mangol: yc recruits from 'ambitious but disaffected with traditional institutions' types |
16:31 |
mangol |
so when reich wants to "optimize away" a trad. institution, these people are up to the task |
16:31 |
asciilifeform |
for instance. |
16:32 |
mangol |
patrons give the optimizers a couple yachts from the cost savings and take the rest of the yachts for themselves? |
16:33 |
asciilifeform |
mangol: not all reich activity directly for 'proximate' yacht. some is 'strategic', i.e. for continued viability of the structure itself. |
16:34 |
mangol |
apropos jwz |
16:34 |
asciilifeform |
for optimizers, reward -- yacht or 2 for directors, coupla milliyachts ea. for worker bees |
16:39 |
mangol |
so what would happen if pg woke up one day and decided to go rogue on twitter |
16:39 |
asciilifeform |
'I did make a bunch of money by winning the Netscape Startup Lottery, it's true. So did most of the early engineers. But the people who made 100x as much as the engineers did? I can tell you for a fact that none of them slept under their desk.' << surprisingly straight talk from infamous perp |
16:40 |
mangol |
lose 95% of social circle, possibly wife. hatchet job by ambitious journalist in some trade magazine |
16:40 |
asciilifeform |
mangol: hypothetically, endgame -- epsteined. but not aware of any instance of 'rogue' at that level |
16:41 |
mangol |
asciilifeform: jwz is completely disillusioned on corporate life. too bad he isn't disillusioned with much else |
16:41 |
asciilifeform |
mangol: 'generals' rarely defect. esp. when there is in fact nowhere to defect to. |
16:41 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-21 17:08:35 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-21#1086863 << familiar w/ the term 'sausage emigre' ? atm there aint a place 'with better sausage', and ergo 'nowhere to defect to' |
16:43 |
mangol |
the pg and scott adams types show trace amounts of honesty with self |
16:43 |
mangol |
so they could 'defect' to personal integrity |
16:43 |
mangol |
in practice, those who would are probably filtered a few steps earlier in the pipeline |
16:44 |
asciilifeform |
the conveyor from 'recruit' to 'general' is largely about such filtration. |
16:47 |
mangol |
irrigation, filtration, conveyors |
16:47 |
mangol |
...waste processing |
16:47 |
asciilifeform |
none of this is unique to current reich |
16:47 |
asciilifeform |
rather, basic mechanics |
16:48 |
mangol |
chumpatron with really high-achieving chumps |
16:49 |
asciilifeform |
well, 1-2 per over9000 |
16:50 |
mangol |
every food chain is a kind of ponzi scheme |
16:50 |
asciilifeform |
a ponzi is a foodchain where participation, typically, voluntary |
16:50 |
asciilifeform |
and leven n recruits actively n+1 |
16:51 |
asciilifeform |
*level n |
16:52 |
mangol |
i wonder what % of the people in positions of power understand in essence how the complete system works |
16:53 |
asciilifeform |
depends what mean by 'understand in essence' |
16:54 |
mangol |
e.g. the pg and scott adams level ("thought leaders") seem to be genuinely drinking the kool aid |
16:54 |
mangol |
at what level does every participant understand it's all bullshit |
16:55 |
mangol |
senate/congress? |
16:56 |
signpost |
this is what I've referred to as feeling in on the scam |
16:56 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-07 13:08:01 signpost: yep, they like the feeling that they're in on the scam. |
16:57 |
mangol |
but as you climb the power scale, at some level everyone has an accurate understanding of what the actual scam is |
16:58 |
mangol |
at least if you subtract top secret stuff like who planned 9/11 |
16:58 |
asciilifeform |
reich 'compartment' system worx quite well. |
17:01 |
mangol |
i.e. no one possesses the complete truth, by design? |
17:02 |
asciilifeform |
mangol: wouldja expect, at e.g. cocacola co., for there to be 1 head which 'possesses the complete truth' ? |
17:12 |
mangol |
not sure what the complete truth of coke is, but take e.g. the war propaganda or electoral politics |
17:12 |
mangol |
at some level, everybody has got to understand the two parties make no difference |
17:13 |
mangol |
that biden isn't the actual president, etc. |
17:13 |
asciilifeform |
mangol: 'at some level' e.g. folx inside football stadium understand that it makes 0 diff who wins. but nonetheless they buy tickets. |
17:16 |
asciilifeform |
mangol: reich system is a stadium without an exit door at any level. |
17:16 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-24 16:24:14 asciilifeform: well say a fella decides 'nyt is fulla shit, wish i could serve putin'. what's his next step. |
17:16 |
asciilifeform |
players & audience, for the most part, trapped inside. |
17:18 |
asciilifeform |
afaik nuffin resembling a viable 'opposition' (vs. controlled muppets) has existed in usa for ~century |
17:19 |
mangol |
but what drives the pg's of the world to say the bullshit they say on twitter, if not a belief that is mostly sincere? |
17:19 |
mangol |
at this point pg could say nothing, and face no reprimands |
17:20 |
asciilifeform |
likely 100% sincere. 'there's reich and, outside its walls, there's barbarism' etc |
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17:20 |
mangol |
that's the issue i was getting at |
17:20 |
mangol |
congressmen knowingly lie to an audience. it's a conscious performance |
17:21 |
asciilifeform |
how sincere -- can only be known once there's 'an outside'. as during e.g. su collapse, when over9000 'sincere' kpss mandarins flipped their sign bits |
17:22 |
asciilifeform |
or in berlin in '45, when gestapo switched to fulltime printing of phony id papers for exiting staff |
17:23 |
asciilifeform |
mangol: yes could 'say 0 and no reprimands.' but mandarins typically addicted to 'feeling of significance'. |
17:24 |
mangol |
exactly. but there's a feeling of significance that comes from leading people like you -- you are like them, just a bit better. i suspect the pg's are like this. |
17:24 |
mangol |
then there's another kind of feeling of significance that comes from looking down on your subjects and lying to them for your own gain |
17:27 |
mangol |
empirically, the major parties seem to be full of the latter kind |
17:27 |
mangol |
and not just in the us |
17:27 |
asciilifeform |
psychology of elite is complicated can of worms. but fundamentally selected for 'reich way or barbarism' and 'for us, yacht, for them, mcd' and all else compat. w/ said core |
17:29 |
mangol |
what you're getting at is, some % of elites is 95% lizard on a biological level, the rest need a story as justification to get past the occasional moral speed bump on the way to the next yacht |
17:29 |
asciilifeform |
the folx who experience 'moral bumps' unlikely to make it to anywhere near pg level. |
17:32 |
mangol |
but what would happen without drinking own kool-aid? |
17:32 |
asciilifeform |
mangol: elaborate? |
17:32 |
mangol |
assume it became a cynical power grab with no stories about barbarism and untermenschen |
17:33 |
mangol |
how many of them could keep it going? |
17:34 |
asciilifeform |
mangol: the military elephant on which reich 'turtle' stands, requires certain # of 'drinkers of koolaid' |
17:34 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-26 16:15:43 asciilifeform: this is why asciilifeform unable historically to muster much sympathy for 'iraq veteran, his bonus retro-withdrawn, evicted' -- motherfuckers, you could have, should have, shot 1) your officers 2) your landlord 3) anything with a harvard diploma -- half century ago. but no, gotta faithful-dog instead. |
17:36 |
asciilifeform |
less so, e.g., the financial 'elephant'. or the propaganda orchestra. in these, folx function quite well w/out any sincere belief req'd |
17:37 |
mangol |
propaganda orchestra = ministry of truth = mass media? |
17:38 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
17:38 |
mangol |
you think most "journalists" function just fine on a steady diet of will-to-power and "in on the lie"? |
17:40 |
asciilifeform |
mangol: regular 'flips' (recall, 'panic about covid is racist' -> 'pandemic!111' -> 'masks do 0' -> 'wear mask or yer a traitor' etc) select for what, do you supose. |
17:40 |
asciilifeform |
'pandemic!11, lockdown' -> 'blm crowds a++' -> 'pandemic, lockdown!11' |
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18:55 |
mangol |
i presume it's possible to believe in the "higher good" (good reich vs evil barbarians) without drinking that low-level kool-aid |
18:55 |
mangol |
i.e. "ends justify the means" lying |
18:58 |
mangol |
soldiers' belief probably stems in large part from having no other source of self-worth or positive identity |
19:00 |
mangol |
when you look past the advertising, few seem to think it's a glamorous job. disillusionment of us soldiers who've seen combat is common, if not the norm |
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19:53 |
jonsykkel |
my tower of blokcs also appears to have cemented sucesfully |
19:54 |
jonsykkel |
242000 -> 723000, 45 days, one 34min stall at height=508335 |
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19:54 |
jonsykkel |
723000 -> 731004, 4 days, with 10 or so restarts cuz frozen for hours |
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21:17 |
mats |
https://archive.ph/qXlkX |
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21:38 |
mangol |
"prosecutors said the defendants' own words showed they were rage-filled extremists who hoped to spark a kind of civil war that would keep Biden from becoming president." |
21:41 |
mangol |
fun to ponder who exactly is the target audience for narratives in this vein (which are now pretty common). you'd think "rage-filled" people would be the last to plan something as complex and disciplined as a "civil war" |
21:41 |
mangol |
you'd think "they were calm and calculating extremists who hoped to spark a kind of civil war" would be more realistic |
21:43 |
verisimilitude |
``The trial in Grand Rapids, Mich. has been closely watched as a test of the U.S. government’s ramped-up efforts to combat domestic terrorism, and the verdict is a partial defeat for the Justice Department.'' |
21:44 |
verisimilitude |
Niggers burning down cities and destroying small businesses are just protesting, however. |
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21:45 |
mangol |
the man was keeping them down |
21:46 |
mangol |
this pearl is a fine play on ambiguity of context as well: "Without accountability, extremists will be emboldened." |
21:53 |
verisimilitude |
There's a cartoon, ``Ghost in the Shell'', which I believe touches on this topic. |
21:54 |
verisimilitude |
It's called the ``Stand-Alone Complex''. |
21:54 |
verisimilitude |
I'm to understand, in a society with constant surveillance, the only way for attacks to succeed are ``lone wolf'' attacks. |
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21:56 |
verisimilitude |
So, the police find a ``group'' doing this, only to discover none of the ``members'' know one another. Guided solely by ideals and internal motivation, they worked together without any communication, and without realizing it. |
21:59 |
mangol |
a very concrete version of the idea of a focal point |
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23:24 |
phf |
signpost: can you please provide details of your water filter. just did a walmart run to fill a bunch of 5gal jugs, and as i'm carrying them back from the car that damn plastics conversation popped in my head.. |