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00:00 asciilifeform bitcoin-ruby:0.0.6 << l0l
00:00 asciilifeform did not know this existed.
00:05 cazalla Birdman, i know a game up in binghamton, ya interested?
00:05 cazalla full of municipal workers but i reckon you could take it down
00:05 Birdman I appreciate the offer but that is too far for me
00:06 asciilifeform ;;later tell kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280658 << for wiki ?
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00:06 assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 02:32:46; asciilifeform: Bucephalus: 216.15.33.203:8333
00:06 gribble The operation succeeded.
00:06 mircea_popescu is this from rounders ?
00:06 cazalla mircea_popescu, lol yeah
00:11 asciilifeform ;;later tell ben_vulpes consider installing a therealbitcoin node in your little shop of horrors ?
00:11 gribble The operation succeeded.
00:12 asciilifeform we could very much use more of these sitting on proper commercial wires, with static ip, qos, clean mains power, etc
00:13 mircea_popescu !up vkmc
00:14 mircea_popescu cazalla so didja manage to get it going ?
00:15 cazalla nope
00:15 cazalla http://dpaste.com/046YK9Z.txt at which point i sat and wished i could actually use a computer
00:15 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1WcGYCP )
00:17 cazalla busted muh steam games (tf2 and csgo) in the process somehow, prob all the shit i installed at the cli without having a clue what it was
00:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15459 @ 0.00074445 = 11.5085 BTC [-] {3}
00:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00075234 = 23.9244 BTC [+] {3}
00:36 deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The disadvantages of funding, translated and adnotated. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/20/the-disadvantages-of-funding-translated-and-adnotated/
00:43 mircea_popescu cazalla betcha you didn't do the export lines like it's said in the recipe
00:43 mircea_popescu used multiple windows or who knows what.
00:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00074411 = 11.4965 BTC [-]
00:50 mircea_popescu hey mike_c if you read this... need a super noob crafter in eulora. or i guess mod6 ? you ever crafted mod6 ?
00:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00074411 = 12.8731 BTC [-]
00:55 asciilifeform http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/20/the-disadvantages-of-funding-translated-and-adnotated << i dare say the ro was more readable !!
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00:55 assbot The disadvantages of funding, translated and adnotated. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1KFbBwz )
00:56 mircea_popescu o.O
00:56 mircea_popescu romanian not really pete's strong language is it ?
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01:03 asciilifeform ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/20/the-disadvantages-of-funding-translated-and-adnotated/#comment-31000
01:03 assbot The disadvantages of funding, translated and adnotated. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1KFcQvJ )
01:03 gribble The operation succeeded.
01:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37800 @ 0.00074758 = 28.2585 BTC [+]
01:09 mod6 mircea_popescu: i'm somewhere around lvl 70 crafter.
01:09 mircea_popescu ah
01:10 mod6 looking for someone with lower rank?
01:10 mod6 I successfully made a samovar once, and then turned my attention to mining :]
01:16 mircea_popescu :p
01:16 mircea_popescu yeah need someone who's practically a virgin
01:17 mod6 ah ok. thanks for checking though.
01:18 asciilifeform zoolag: 54 bucephalus: 19
01:20 mircea_popescu 188.68.240.159 got 15 (if we're talking connections)
01:22 asciilifeform this leads me to unpleasant 'we are a parallel universe' line of thought
01:22 asciilifeform how many boxes might we suppose presently exist that are honestly describable as a bitcoin node ?
01:23 asciilifeform i.e. no 'headers-first' or other gavinisms, no ssl or other hearnias, etc
01:24 cazalla mircea_popescu, obviously 50 windows and ran the commands in each one multiple times
01:26 cazalla seriously though, tried to cook it on 14.04, nfi if that is why i had issues but probable given guide is for 10.04
01:27 cazalla can settle for 12.04 but steam does not work on 10.04 so useless for me for desktop
01:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18850 @ 0.00074411 = 14.0265 BTC [-]
01:32 mircea_popescu aha
01:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform well, like a dozen i guess.
01:33 mircea_popescu cazalla did the first step (compiling cal3d) return with errors ?
01:33 mircea_popescu sorry, cs not cal3d
01:34 cazalla i wouldn't even know tbh
01:34 cazalla spat out all manner of shit that might as well be in another language
01:35 cazalla configure.in didn't have a line with AM_USE_UNITTESTCPP to comment out either
01:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11082 @ 0.00074758 = 8.2847 BTC [+]
01:36 cazalla i'll dig another hdd out the garage to install 10.04 on and try again
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02:24 punkman hmm, I see the backup gremlins have been working extra hard the last couple weeks
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02:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81700 @ 0.00074383 = 60.7709 BTC [-] {5}
02:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17243 @ 0.00074694 = 12.8795 BTC [+] {2}
02:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3276 @ 0.00074758 = 2.4491 BTC [+]
02:53 mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats
02:53 gribble Current Blocks: 375438 | Current Difficulty: 5.933535123386657E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 376991 | Next Difficulty In: 1553 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 16 hours, 14 minutes, and 26 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
02:58 cazalla https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/644971360008011776
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03:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7181 @ 0.00074758 = 5.3684 BTC [+]
03:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.0007435 = 4.3867 BTC [-]
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03:44 punkman http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/08/pr0n_app_takes_blackmail_pics_ransom/
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03:44 assbot URRGH! Evil app WATCHES YOU WATCHING PORN, snaps your grimace • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1gFmS3O )
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04:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.0007435 = 4.1636 BTC [-]
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04:35 punkman http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/21/us-japan-security-idUSKCN0RL08Z20150921
04:35 assbot Support for Japan’s Abe sags after security bills passed| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jk9065 )
04:35 punkman "Public support for Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe fell after the passage of controversial national security bills, which could let troops fight overseas for the first time since the end of World War Two"
04:39 punkman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPX6YVcUAAEMpa7.jpg:large "Life vests left by refugees on Lesbos, Greece"
04:39 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lr4p7X )
04:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00074333 = 19.4009 BTC [-] {3}
04:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00074758 = 6.3171 BTC [+]
04:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48500 @ 0.00074325 = 36.0476 BTC [-]
05:01 punkman "There is an accusation that current British Prime minister David Cameron 'put his genitals in the mouth of a dead pig' in a frat style initiation ceremony. The book was co-written by one of his former colleagues and one of the biggest donors to Cameron's political party."
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05:01 punkman https://twitter.com/charltonbrooker/status/645738919426920448
05:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00074325 = 13.2299 BTC [-]
05:04 punkman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPYb1X1W8AAs3ps.jpg:large
05:04 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lr5GMx )
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05:29 fluffypony https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3lrjeg/psa_i_end_up_losing_17_on_p2p_lending_sites_after/
05:29 assbot [PSA] I end up losing 17% on P2P lending sites after 2 months. I strongly advise avoiding using them if you are a lender. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lr76ql )
05:29 fluffypony that is truly surprising
05:29 fluffypony I'm so surprised
05:29 fluffypony this is my surprised face
05:30 mircea_popescu supa suparised.
05:30 mircea_popescu !up ffmad
05:40 shinohai Lending to gamblers is always a great idea, fluffypony
05:41 punkman I thought you were supposed to only lose ~20% a year
05:44 punkman "How many investments did auto-invest make for you?" "About 30 on BTCJam. I'm hoping to turn the loss into profit with the Law of Big Numbers though I'm not optimistic."
05:46 mircea_popescu ahahaha
05:50 fluffypony lol
05:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16304 @ 0.00074518 = 12.1494 BTC [+]
06:01 cazalla Invested:0.17 BTC.. almost like scammers trying to out-invest fellow scammers but get scammed themselves
06:04 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 22.28508574 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b21
06:05 mircea_popescu the fellowsheep of the scamvestor
06:05 mircea_popescu the irony being that all this is EXACTLY like silicon valley vc / generally vc.
06:05 mircea_popescu except those schmucks don't have friends in the printer house.
06:06 shinohai http://www.coindesk.com/quiz-do-you-know-the-basics-of-bitcoin/ <<< For so,e reason I can't see this
06:06 assbot Quiz: Do You Know the Basics of Bitcoin? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wd3ons )
06:06 shinohai 21 friggin scripts just to view an article. Fuck you coindesk.
06:07 mircea_popescu obviously you don't know the basics of webcoin.
06:08 cazalla half expected to get some CPA offer at the end of that quiz shinohai
06:08 cazalla then again, have ublock going so it probably had one but was blocked
06:08 shinohai Or "Congrats, you passed! Here's some VC monies to get started."
06:09 * cazalla tries again without ublock
06:10 fluffypony how is knowing about BitLicense a "basic" of Bitcoin?
06:11 fluffypony what a stupid quiz
06:11 shinohai I like mircea_popescu 's quiz better.
06:11 cazalla fluffypony, shut up, i got 10/10 ok, i'm a certified expert now http://i.imgur.com/D5lGwFS.png
06:11 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NO6Zqv )
06:11 fluffypony so did I
06:11 fluffypony and I didn't become a certified anything :-P
06:16 mircea_popescu im trying to think what'd be more irrelevant to bitcoin than "bitlicense".
06:16 mircea_popescu ethereum, perhaps.
06:16 mircea_popescu bitcoinxt
06:16 mircea_popescu o check it out, 2/3 items in cazalla's screenshot are about usgavin's scamcoin. and wtf is sabr.io
06:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28150 @ 0.00074471 = 20.9636 BTC [-] {3}
06:17 shinohai sabr.io is that new venture that promises to help LE track down bitcoin criminals.
06:17 cazalla "SABR monitors multiple blockchains to identify and locate criminal activity."
06:18 shinohai http://www.coindesk.com/startup-sabr-io-could-have-caught-silk-road-founder-in-days/
06:18 assbot Startup Sabr.io is Helping to Catch Bitcoin's Criminals ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wd4Cio )
06:26 mircea_popescu hm, anyone with a bunch of time on his hands wanna do some social media work for me ?
06:27 mircea_popescu lol could have caught my foot.
06:27 mircea_popescu !up Anduck
06:27 mircea_popescu yo anduck what are you doing these days ?
06:27 kakobrekla !rated Anduck
06:27 assbot You rated user Anduck on 22-Dec-2014, with a rating of -5, and supplied these additional notes: idiot. does not understand how bitcoin works..
06:28 mircea_popescu that, i know.
06:28 kakobrekla k
06:29 mircea_popescu where's vexual when you need him.
06:30 shinohai mircea_popescu: What sort of social media work may I ask?
06:30 mircea_popescu deviant art.
06:31 shinohai Kewl.
06:31 mircea_popescu specifically : i need a large drawing to illustrate "death" in eulora. the job is to trawl the entire fucking site until you find GOOD, gothy-like drawings of at least 2k px wide, and show them to me
06:31 mircea_popescu if i like em, ask the author if he'd like to have it featured in game, bring him over here, he gets some btc dust, all is well.
06:32 mircea_popescu basically spend all day clicking through deviant art.
06:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.00074325 = 26.1624 BTC [-]
06:33 shinohai I'll trawl some and see what I find. That artist that drew your bitcoin collage can't draw "death" ?
06:33 mircea_popescu of course he can.
06:34 mircea_popescu but i'd rather give some guy a chance to strike a conversation with deeply disturbed 16 yo girls first.
06:34 shinohai xD
06:36 mircea_popescu oh, i thought you meant jason juta, the guy that made the thing http://minigame.bz/splash.png was based off.
06:36 mircea_popescu the bitcoin collage was actually drawn by a chick.
06:36 shinohai http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs17/i/2012/171/b/6/angel_of_death_aka_grim_reaper_by_sinslave-dimt0u.jpg <<< I like this death already.
06:36 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wd6jfR )
06:37 mircea_popescu anyway, i don't really want line art. i want stuff more like that yeah
06:37 mircea_popescu actually that one's not half bad.
06:37 mircea_popescu ask the author.
06:38 mircea_popescu tho if you had any sense you'd stick to womenz.
06:38 * shinohai will attempt to find women that aren't sjw's and insane on deviantart
06:39 mircea_popescu what's wrong with sjw ? :D
06:40 davout hello
06:40 mircea_popescu ohai.
06:40 davout "if we don't have a plausible scaling story soon, banks are going to start experimenting with permissioned blockchains."
06:40 mircea_popescu ONOES
06:40 mircea_popescu how about banks start experimenting with fitting my cock up their uvula.
06:41 davout every single time I think reddit has hit the bottom, it out-stupids itself
06:41 mircea_popescu it's going there anyway.
06:41 davout and digs moar
06:41 mircea_popescu anyway, bbl.
06:41 shinohai I like this one too, and she is Spanish female: http://orig05.deviantart.net/e250/f/2012/314/8/0/angel_of_death_by_maiarcita-d4vfk40.jpg
06:41 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wd6GHl )
06:41 mircea_popescu shinohai not bad but wrong proportion. i need landscape that's portrait.
06:41 punkman here's an artist suggestion http://problemglyphs.org/
06:41 assbot Problem Glyphs ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wd6Iii )
06:43 davout mircea_popescu: liked the "You know what gets no airplay ? Unflattering truth." a lot
06:44 davout also pls to x.eur, we're the 21st...
06:50 cazalla http://joakimericsson.deviantart.com/art/Four-Horsemen-Death-355293920 probably not what you want size wise
06:50 assbot Four Horsemen - Death by JoakimEricsson on DeviantArt ... ( http://bit.ly/1OpdWyh )
06:52 cazalla http://orig14.deviantart.net/d84d/f/2013/023/a/1/alone_in_the_wasteland__sacrifice_of_the_innocents_by_joakimericsson-d5sgq5b.jpg
06:52 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oped4a )
06:57 jurov hi davout, i requested x.eur delivery, still not on paymium
06:57 jurov or it's waiting on mircea too?
07:07 mircea_popescu davout ah yes, here you are! ok euroing.
07:07 mircea_popescu you know who else liked it a lot ? twitter, apaprently!
07:08 mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/trilema/status/645573044300304384
07:08 shinohai How have I been here ~6 moths and never found the trilema twitter account.
07:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00075107 = 20.5042 BTC [+] {5}
07:09 mircea_popescu because new chick on the block (social media expert in civil life) insisted to make a bunch of those shits YESTERDAY
07:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43004 @ 0.00074206 = 31.9115 BTC [-] {3}
07:10 punkman did she buy a bunch of retweets?
07:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4792 @ 0.00074113 = 3.5515 BTC [-]
07:14 danielpbarron speaking of social media, allow me the first to mention that #BaeOfPigs is a thing, and probably the best hashtag ever conceived
07:16 punkman pretty good :D
07:16 cazalla sheeit, poor gavin relegated to the edges of the photoshoot https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPMCxcjUEAAISNo.jpg:large
07:16 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JkooiR )
07:16 shinohai Goog God Gavin is a Fat Fuck, isn't he?
07:18 cazalla i get the impression charlie lee and bobby lee are brothers in the sense some white american couple bought them from an orphanage or something
07:27 mircea_popescu davout you should be all set.
07:27 mircea_popescu punkman looking at it i guess she must have.
07:28 mircea_popescu which is weird because where the fuck would she get moneyz.
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07:28 * mircea_popescu idly hoovered over the faces, saw various VC minded folks, didn't realise retweets are a different rubric.
07:29 punkman could be some kind of spamtweet exchange too. tweet shit, get credits, spend em on other tweets
07:29 mircea_popescu it now occurs to me this is maybe not even coincidental.
07:29 mircea_popescu o you know... damn.
07:29 mircea_popescu so that's what they do on the cellphones all day.
07:29 mircea_popescu !up VariaVarietatis
07:30 mircea_popescu danielpbarron what's bae of pigs ?
07:31 punkman mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280804
07:31 assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 09:01:16; punkman: "There is an accusation that current British Prime minister David Cameron 'put his genitals in the mouth of a dead pig' in a frat style initiation ceremony. The book was co-written by one of his former colleagues and one of the biggest donors to Cameron's political party."
07:31 mircea_popescu cazalla at least he fattened nicely.
07:31 mircea_popescu o
07:33 kakobrekla i lost track of node, are dulap, zoolag and incitatus still in game?
07:33 kakobrekla nodes
07:33 VariaVarietatis mircea_popescu: I got a question about one of the footnotes in that article vi if peter is trading away 80% of his company to Richard for 1m at a 5m valuation?(number she used) but selling it at a 20% discount does that mean the term value is 4m and the valuation is 5m how does that work?
07:33 mircea_popescu kakobrekla except for dulap iirc.
07:33 kakobrekla ok
07:34 mircea_popescu VariaVarietatis peter's company ?
07:35 mircea_popescu anyway, 20% discount because he gets to own 20% of the million he brought himself, as well as of richard's company.
07:35 mircea_popescu he doesn't trade 1mn for 20% of richard's company. he trades 1mn for 20% of richard's company and 20% of 1mn.
07:36 mircea_popescu kakobrekla but there's also my unnamed one as well as bucephalus or w/e the recent one got called.
07:40 fluffypony https://twitter.com/ROCLASI/status/645882306163515392
07:43 kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280729 < hope i got this right http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin/nodes
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07:43 assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 04:06:16; asciilifeform: ;;later tell kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280658 << for wiki ?
07:43 assbot the_real_bitcoin:nodes [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1JkrP9b )
07:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00074681 = 2.8005 BTC [+]
07:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22310 @ 0.00075224 = 16.7825 BTC [+]
07:49 VariaVarietatis mircea_popescu: so he gets 200k cash 800k goes into the company account richard gets 80% peter gets 20% going from PP1 to PP2 here? also how does the note part work I thought notes didn't get converted into equity until the company investors or is he filling his own note? still lost.
07:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 35150 @ 0.00024109 = 8.4743 BTC [-]
07:49 mircea_popescu he gets no cash.
07:50 mircea_popescu well at least not normally.
07:50 VariaVarietatis mircea_popescu: where does the 200k go?
07:50 mircea_popescu nowhere.
07:51 shinohai thx kakobrekla for making list.
07:51 mircea_popescu kakobrekla missing 188.68.240.159
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07:52 kakobrekla which one is that, does it have a name?
07:52 mircea_popescu it's mine.
07:52 kakobrekla ok
07:52 mircea_popescu i never named it.
07:52 kakobrekla you just did
07:53 mircea_popescu whatever.b-a.link ?
07:54 kakobrekla added
07:54 mircea_popescu worx
07:55 VariaVarietatis mircea_popescu: so the company only gets 20% of the 1mn, what about the other 80% where does that come in?
07:55 mircea_popescu dude. richard has a fish. peter has a million. they make a deal, now peter has 20% of (fish+million).
07:56 mircea_popescu so he paid 1mn for 20% of fish + 20% of million. so he paid in the end 800k for 20% of fish, so he got fish at 1mn with 20% discount.
08:00 * mircea_popescu is bbl.
08:03 davout !up VariaVarietatis
08:03 davout VariaVarietatis: when it's said peter owns 20% of the million after the deal, he owns it indirectly through richard's company that owns 1mn, he now owns 20% of
08:12 VariaVarietatis davout: think got it. was getting mixed up thinking only 800k went in
08:12 davout /r/buttcoin seems slightly butthurt about this jstolfi leaving situation... https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3log4j/ujstolfi_goes_the_way_of_whollyhemp_after_death/cv8bzkr?context=3
08:12 assbot davout-bc comments on /u/jstolfi goes the way of whollyhemp after death threats from scientologists ... ( http://bit.ly/1JkvIuB )
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08:12 VariaVarietatis but discount comes from owning it after the money is already in.
08:13 davout VariaVarietatis: to me it's just a confusing way of saying exactly the same thing
08:22 funkenstein_ Them footnotes made me think for a moment Ted Nelson's vision is finally springing to life :)
08:25 funkenstein_ good morning WoT cattle *tips hat*
08:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35790 @ 0.00075224 = 26.9227 BTC [+]
08:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00074113 = 21.3445 BTC [-] {2}
08:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39400 @ 0.00074016 = 29.1623 BTC [-] {3}
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09:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13196 @ 0.00074002 = 9.7653 BTC [-]
09:11 davout jurov: is mpex dead for you too? (empty stats)
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09:36 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.04307875 BTC on 'No' - Dow Jones Industrial Average (^DJI) to drop below 14,000 before 8th October - http://bitbet.us/bet/1202/dow-jones-industrial-average-dji-to-drop-below/#b7
09:39 asciilifeform ;;later tell kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280942 << nope. >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-09-2015#1277110
09:39 assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 11:43:36; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280729 < hope i got this right http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin/nodes
09:39 assbot Logged on 17-09-2015 00:37:40; asciilifeform: over, for the time being. zoolag @ 173.73.235.152:8333.
09:39 gribble The operation succeeded.
09:42 kakobrekla fixed
09:42 asciilifeform ty
09:43 asciilifeform http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/0.5.3-todos << frightfully out of date, prolly ought to be zapped
09:43 assbot 0.5.3-todos [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1KuoDJM )
09:46 kakobrekla done
09:46 jurov davout: don't see it (but yes, happens)
09:48 asciilifeform kakobrekla: is there a link to therealbitcoin.org in there ?
09:49 kakobrekla search says no.
09:52 davout deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3WZ461M.txt
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09:52 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KupUk9 )
09:52 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu if you are running the item described in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2015#1269180 this would handily explain why your node is so easily wedged. it lacks the db locks fix (and, on top of this, still stores fucking orphan tx, even)
09:52 assbot Logged on 10-09-2015 02:07:13; mircea_popescu: hm you know i think you're right, this is an older thing
09:52 deedbot- accepted: 1
09:52 gribble The operation succeeded.
09:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35700 @ 0.00074278 = 26.5172 BTC [+]
09:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33350 @ 0.00074002 = 24.6797 BTC [-]
10:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41300 @ 0.00074459 = 30.7516 BTC [+] {3}
10:03 asciilifeform from the l0lfarmz: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/us/politics/george-w-bush-made-retroactive-nsa-fix-after-hospital-room-showdown.html
10:03 assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kurxyk )
10:06 asciilifeform 'Doxycycline, an antibiotic, went from $20 a bottle in October 2013 to $1,849 by April 2014, according to the two lawmakers.'
10:06 asciilifeform (from same fishwrap, http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/business/a-huge-overnight-increase-in-a-drugs-price-raises-protests.html )
10:06 assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1KurX7R )
10:08 asciilifeform 'This is not the first time the 32-year-old Mr. Shkreli, who has a reputation for both brilliance and brashness, has been the center of controversy. He started MSMB Capital, a hedge fund company, in his 20s and drew attention for urging the Food and Drug Administration not to approve certain drugs made by companies whose stock he was shorting.' << mega-l0l
10:13 asciilifeform nothing like an inherited wealth vermin
10:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109650 @ 0.00073919 = 81.0522 BTC [-] {5}
10:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40207 @ 0.00073853 = 29.6941 BTC [-] {2}
10:31 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280751 << well ya, and aristotle's nicomachean ethics was more readable in greek. so what ? not like translations are targeted at readers of the tongue of the original. this article is for pretty much anyone who isn't stan, mp, or hanbot :)
10:31 assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 04:55:05; asciilifeform: http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/20/the-disadvantages-of-funding-translated-and-adnotated << i dare say the ro was more readable !!
10:32 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: also, http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/20/the-disadvantages-of-funding-translated-and-adnotated/#comment-31039
10:32 assbot The disadvantages of funding, translated and adnotated. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kuwc3k )
10:35 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280754 << it isn't. but it doesn't help that my translation efforts are ~starting~ with post-phd-level writings THAT DON'T EVEN HAVE ACCENTS
10:35 assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 04:56:41; mircea_popescu: romanian not really pete's strong language is it ?
10:36 pete_dushenski it's like trying to read straight torah right out of the scrolls without ever having seen a layperson's text that distinguishing 'bet' from 'vet'
10:36 pete_dushenski in other news, http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/20/us-health-dementia-idUSKCN0RK15220150920
10:36 assbot A third of Britons born in 2015 will develop dementia: study| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1KuwQh2 )
10:37 pete_dushenski see ? socialism is statistically guaranteed to rot your brain. even socialists agree.
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10:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25050 @ 0.00073791 = 18.4846 BTC [-] {3}
10:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.0007376 = 12.7605 BTC [-]
10:57 pete_dushenski http://www.lavanguardia.com/economia/20150919/54436644972/mas-colell-espana-obligada-pagar-pensiones-catalunya-independiente.html << bahaha. o man, wtf does 'la independencia
10:57 assbot Mas-Colell dice que España está obligada a pagar las pensiones ... ( http://bit.ly/1KuAk39 )
10:57 pete_dushenski ' mean to the people ?
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11:07 punkman http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/21/amazon_medical_gaffe/
11:07 assbot Techie finds 1.5 MEELLION US medical records exposed on AWS • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1KuBY54 )
11:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.0007487 = 11.3428 BTC [+] {3}
11:15 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280793 << since details are so utterly lacking on 'el reg' >> http://research.zscaler.com/2015/09/more-adult-themed-android-ransomware.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zscaler%2Fresearch+%28Zscaler+Research%29
11:15 assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 07:44:56; punkman: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/08/pr0n_app_takes_blackmail_pics_ransom/
11:15 assbot Zscaler Research: More Adult Themed Android Ransomware ... ( http://bit.ly/1KuDm7B )
11:16 pete_dushenski naturally, it uses paypal
11:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00075235 = 9.3291 BTC [+]
11:25 pete_dushenski !up thestringpuller
11:28 pete_dushenski "AMD's top microprocessor architect Jim Keller has walked from the chip vendor, just months after the company unveiled a shift in strategy to reinvest in high-end FX CPUs. Keller quit on Friday, having returned to AMD in 2012 after most recently working at Apple."
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11:30 pete_dushenski and in still other news, "Apple has published a workaround after some iPhone and iPad users were left stranded in the middle of the iOS 9 update process. The Cupertino giant has acknowledged multiple complaints that devices were unable to progress past the "Slide to Upgrade" screen when moving to the latest version of iOS. Apple's remedy: wipe your device and hope you made a backup."
11:34 gernika And this is actually ok because the contents of their devices is *worthless*.
11:35 pete_dushenski perhaps objectively
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11:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00073954 = 6.434 BTC [-]
11:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25092 @ 0.00073732 = 18.5008 BTC [-] {4}
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12:13 BingoBoingo !up ascii_field
12:14 BingoBoingo !up thestringpuller
12:14 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281036 << amd opteron is the single most precarious 'strategic good' in my particular household (can't speak for others)
12:14 assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 15:28:09; pete_dushenski: "AMD's top microprocessor architect Jim Keller has walked from the chip vendor, just months after the company unveiled a shift in strategy to reinvest in high-end FX CPUs. Keller quit on Friday, having returned to AMD in 2012 after most recently working at Apple."
12:16 ascii_field the one and only workstation-class chip that will run 100% blobless
12:18 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281021 << it is necessary to somehow explain why virtually all of the mathematics worth anything whatsoever in 20th c. happened under the red flag
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12:18 assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 14:37:42; pete_dushenski: see ? socialism is statistically guaranteed to rot your brain. even socialists agree.
12:19 thestringpuller been syncing blockchain on essentially raspberry pi for 33 days and 1 hour
12:19 ascii_field raspi is an astonishing piece of shit
12:20 thestringpuller It's not a raspi just in terms of power it's about a rasbpi
12:20 thestringpuller it's a VPS but it's smallest footprint size
12:21 thestringpuller even so it's going to cost about 80 bucks to sync a full blockchain from zulag or dulap - genesis to current.
12:22 thestringpuller at the very least*
12:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78850 @ 0.00073579 = 58.017 BTC [-] {3}
12:22 ascii_field thestringpuller: -connect ?
12:22 thestringpuller yes with -connect
12:23 ascii_field ftr i don't get the point of running a node on vps
12:23 thestringpuller better internet.
12:24 thestringpuller i.e. more uptime, not all of us have business internet in our houses :P
12:24 ascii_field it is rather like 'all you can eat soup' but with no spoon and your hands tied behind your back.
12:25 thestringpuller who cares if I have to eat like a dog for a single sync
12:25 thestringpuller at least I have valid blockchain :P
12:25 thestringpuller i.e. soup won't be poisoned
12:25 ascii_field and you know this how ?
12:26 thestringpuller VPS can magically change running code and storage? dis VPS skynet now?
12:26 ascii_field nothing magic about it
12:26 thestringpuller If VPS is magically changing blockchain the client would wedge which it has not...
12:27 ascii_field does not follow.
12:28 thestringpuller this magical attack vector doesn't seem feasible
12:28 thestringpuller to change running process and storage in way that bitcoin client is validating invalid blocks...
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12:29 ascii_field how often your machine validates ancient blocks ?
12:29 BingoBoingo ^
12:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35600 @ 0.00075235 = 26.7837 BTC [+]
12:29 ascii_field (if you think this happens on boot, you are mistaken - read the source.)
12:29 BingoBoingo thestringpuller: Someone else runs the real machine your "virtual machine" runs on
12:30 thestringpuller ascii_field: I will find out when I do --validate on the blocks on my local machine.
12:30 thestringpuller there is more science to be done to minimize risk
12:32 ascii_field validate ?
12:33 thestringpuller tis a joke
12:35 thestringpuller the actual command is -checkblocks=0 no? (check all blocks on startup)
12:37 ascii_field http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/db.cpp#0587
12:37 assbot Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/db.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mmf1nr )
12:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00075235 = 6.0188 BTC [+]
12:42 thestringpuller ascii_field: so it doesn't actually validate all the blocks? if I'm reading correctly it goes through all blocks in "best chain" if checkblocks is selected...
12:43 ascii_field aha
12:44 thestringpuller am i close? (that's what she said)
12:44 ascii_field close
12:46 BingoBoingo !up ascii_field
12:46 BingoBoingo !up thestringpuller
12:48 thestringpuller i guess I don't fully grok ascii_field
12:48 ascii_field ;;later tell mircea_popescu lulzy: urbit's bastard gossipd: http://happut-fopnys.urbit.org/home/tree/pub/release-0/materials/whitepaper#a-ames-networking
12:48 gribble The operation succeeded.
12:48 ascii_field ;;later tell mircea_popescu their bastard 'v' : http://happut-fopnys.urbit.org/home/tree/pub/release-0/materials/whitepaper#c-clay-filesystem
12:49 assbot Tree ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mmg4nc )
12:49 gribble The operation succeeded.
12:49 ascii_field '%g is the application system, currently %gall (1300 lines) %gall is half process table and half systemd, sort of.' << satan preserve us.
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12:50 ascii_field 'With this mechanism, Urbit can update a distributed system (such as our own :talk network), upgrading both applications and protocols, silently without user intervention or notification. ' << itching to try this yet ?
12:52 ascii_field 'A sufficiently smart optimizer doesn't need to optimize every Nock formula that could calculate a decrement function. It only needs to optimize one: the one we actually run. The only one we run is the one compiled from the decrement function ++dec in the Hoon standard library. So there's no sense in which our sufficiently smart optimizer needs to analyze Nock formulas to see if they're decrement formulas. It only needs
12:52 ascii_field to recognize the standard ++dec.' << ahahahahaha.
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12:52 ascii_field same old.
12:53 ascii_field '... And jets do not have to be correlated with built-in or low-level functionality; for instance, Urbit has a markdown parser jet.'
12:53 ascii_field srsly??!!!
12:53 ascii_field 'let's run same old idiot c-machine but with sprinkle of haskell on top for flavour'
12:54 ascii_field 'galaxy, star, planet, moon, comet' << glorious. they retired the naval org chart (before that, prior to mr mold selling out to usg, it was feudal titles of nobility - as in my former 'dukedom')
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12:55 ascii_field i suppose destroyers and frigates were too right-wing yet, for the new mr mold
12:55 ascii_field somehow it has to be more 'neutral flavour' while yet more megalomaniacal. hence stellar objects.
12:57 ascii_field ok this is precious,
12:57 ascii_field 'Broadly, the design difference between Urbit and a blockchain network is that blockchains are "trust superconductors" - they eliminate any dependency on social, political or economic trust. Urbit is a "trust conductor" - engineered to minimize, but not eliminate, dependencies on trust.'
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12:57 ascii_field 'For instance, bitcoin prevents double-spending with global mining costs in multiple dollars per transaction (as of 2015). Trusted transaction intermediation is an easily implemented service whose cost is a tiny fraction of this. And the transaction velocity of money is high; transactions in land are far more rare.'
12:58 * ascii_field has had enough for one sitting.
12:58 thestringpuller ascii_field: don't want you to have a stroke now...
12:59 ascii_field i just think it is grimly hilarious how everything we've spoken of here ~will~ be implemented in bastardized usg versions
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12:59 ascii_field because usg has the means to feed full-time programmers, and we do not.
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13:06 ascii_field 'In February 2003, the FBI assigned a team of FBI personnel --- "Team 10" -- to work full-time at the NSA to manage the FBI's participation in the program. Team 10's primary responsiblity was to disseminate PSP information through [censored] ECs to FBI field offices for investigative or other purposes. However, over time, Team 10 began to participate in the PSP in other ways. For example, Team 10 occasionally submitted
13:06 ascii_field telephone numbers and Internet communications addresses to the NSA to be searched against the bulk metadata collected under the PSP...'
13:06 ascii_field ^ l0ltr0nic
13:07 ascii_field (from earlier link, https://cryptome.org/2015/09/nsa-stellarwind-ig-nyt-15-0919.pdf -- official release! the parallel construction thing is not even an official secret any longer.)
13:17 BingoBoingo !up ascii_field
13:17 BingoBoingo !up thestringpuller
13:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22650 @ 0.00075235 = 17.0407 BTC [+]
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13:42 deedbot- [Qntra] Bet Over Ethereum's Survival Rockets Past 100 BTC in Wagers - http://qntra.net/2015/09/bet-over-ethereums-survival-rockets-past-100-btc-in-wagers/
13:43 ascii_field BingoBoingo: Etheruem ?
13:43 BingoBoingo fuck
13:43 BingoBoingo How is it actually spelled?
13:44 ascii_field like in the title iirc
13:44 BingoBoingo fixed
13:53 BingoBoingo !up ascii_field
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14:10 shinohai !s https://medium.com/quantum-bits/break-rsa-encryption-with-this-one-weird-trick-d955e3394870
14:10 assbot Break RSA encryption with this one weird trick — Quantum Bits — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1PkJZwA )
14:10 assbot 0 results for 'https://medium.com/quantum-bits/break-rsa-encryption-with-this-one-weird-trick-d955e3394870' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=https%3A%2F%2Fmedium.com%2Fquantum-bits%2Fbreak-rsa-encryption-with-this-one-weird-trick-d955e3394870
14:11 ascii_field shor is old nyoo
14:11 ascii_field z
14:11 ascii_field go, build.
14:13 shinohai I found it to be a mealy-mouth article. Was wondering if it had been discussed and I missed those bits.
14:14 ascii_field !s rsa pill
14:14 assbot 9 results for 'rsa pill' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rsa+pill
14:14 ascii_field ^ see logz
14:16 ascii_field phun phakt: it is not a proven fact that the difficulty of the rsa problem as such is equivalent to that of factoring.
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14:16 ascii_field merely conjecture.
14:19 BingoBoingo Oh https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3ltxhd/bet_over_ethereums_survival_rockets_past_100_btc/
14:19 assbot Bet Over Ethereum's Survival Rockets Past 100 BTC in Wagers : ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1PkLnzs )
14:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00074013 = 13.5444 BTC [-]
14:22 shinohai ^ kek
14:25 shinohai !up ascii_field
14:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00074013 = 3.3306 BTC [-]
14:33 phf it's interesting to see how fast urbit "turned" both politically and on technical questions. markdown jet? choosing markdown is a copout in itself (there's a naggum rant where he says that plaintext markup languages are designed by people who don't understand NLP), but why would you outsource something so traditional as a text blob parser? seems like an opportunity to showcase your language's text manipulation facilities, etc.
14:34 ascii_field i am not sure about the political, but on technical questions it was DOA
14:34 ascii_field (mr mold's 2010 notes are still up, http://moronlab.blogspot.com - decide for yourself)
14:35 assbot Moron Lab ... ( http://bit.ly/1YvZesU )
14:39 phf on technical merits i thought it was kind of like if evola fans started writing their own operating system in INTERCAL (with apologies to don woods) hosted on top of brainfuck vm, a dadaist project where impracticality and absurd were the main driving force behind decisions. the reality turned out to be a lot more banal
14:40 ascii_field not far from the facts though.
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14:40 ascii_field i followed the project for years largely on account of NOBODY-else-is-pissing-on-backwards-compat
14:43 HeySteve BingoBoingo, you're going to make Gavin and Mike cry with articles like that
14:48 phf i guess that's why dadaist groups all have long history of denouncement, usually ending with the original founder remaining. otherwise you always have some entrenched fuck proposing a markdown jet, because useful and doesn't hurt and shrug. but when it's the founder itself..
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14:48 phf *the only member remaining
14:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00075136 = 22.8413 BTC [+] {3}
14:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13994 @ 0.00074013 = 10.3574 BTC [-]
14:59 lobbes !up ascii_field
14:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26094 @ 0.00073588 = 19.2021 BTC [-]
15:07 jurov !up King_Rex
15:07 * jurov throws ein kaiser mit schinken
15:10 phf ascii_field: what'd you think of quality of lisp in "land of lisp"?
15:11 ascii_field good book for a kid
15:14 phf i did technical review for it, which was pretty stressful. barsky is a poliglot and writes with a lot of grahamisms, so i rewrote a lot of bits to make them more "common lisp", though i don't think i fully reached that goal
15:14 ascii_field it is a spiffy book
15:17 phf yeah, we bonded over the need for more books that are kind of like "writing games in basic" on one hand, but use sensible technologies
15:19 phf fits in head™
15:30 lobbes !up ascii_field
15:36 lobbes jurov throws ein kaiser mit schinke << kein Käse?
15:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14521 @ 0.00073933 = 10.7358 BTC [+]
15:46 BingoBoingo <HeySteve> BingoBoingo, you're going to make Gavin and Mike cry with articles like that << Thank you
15:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29051 @ 0.00075202 = 21.8469 BTC [+] {3}
16:02 jurov Rex mag kein Käse.
16:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00075165 = 16.6115 BTC [-]
16:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16739 @ 0.0007404 = 12.3936 BTC [-] {3}
16:10 BingoBoingo !up King_Rex
16:10 BingoBoingo !Up ascii_field
16:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25011 @ 0.00073705 = 18.4344 BTC [-]
16:21 BingoBoingo Lol ascii_field USG has its own pogo now too https://archive.is/zDd5y
16:21 assbot 21 Inc Announces 'Bitcoin Computer' for Developers ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wec5hk )
16:21 ascii_field BingoBoingo: they had a shitpogo earlier
16:21 BingoBoingo ascii_field: This is a newer stinkier shit pogo
16:22 BingoBoingo Difference appears to be mouse shit versus moose shit
16:22 ascii_field these are the 'buy light bulbs that mine for usg' log-reader folks aren't they.
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16:22 BingoBoingo "The product will include a Wi-Fi adapter, RPi 2, power supply, USB-to-laptop cable and 128GB SD card, and come equipped with a "factory-installed" copy of the blockchain. It is not known how much hashing power the miner generates."
16:22 BingoBoingo Yes
16:22 BingoBoingo "The reason you can do these things so quickly is because the 21 Bitcoin Computer includes a built-in 21 mining chip (so you can easily buy things for bitcoin)"
16:23 ascii_field all hail the gavincoin asics
16:23 ascii_field includes hearniated client for phree!
16:23 BingoBoingo "factory-isntall"Chain
16:24 ascii_field aha. how else.
16:24 BingoBoingo The 128 GB SD card is prolly not going to last that long
16:24 jurov they are never going to fully validate blockchain on SD card
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16:25 jurov not even 1M one
16:25 ascii_field who said anything about validation
16:25 ascii_field or rather, 'validation' to these folks means something quite else
16:25 BingoBoingo No need to validate, Factory installed
16:25 ascii_field 'zap terrorist transactions'
16:26 BingoBoingo !up psztorc
16:26 BingoBoingo !up ShawnLeary
16:27 BingoBoingo !up thestringpuller
16:27 thestringpuller ascii_field: https://21.co/ << prepare to have seizure
16:27 thestringpuller oh you are lolling over it already
16:27 ascii_field looks like a snorefest so far
16:28 thestringpuller all this VC money is just being flushed down the toilet
16:28 thestringpuller You'd be better off wiping your ass with alpaca socks than buying into this nonsense.
16:28 ascii_field thestringpuller: this is just usg's answer to 'china refuses to mine gavincoin or run hearnia client'
16:28 shinohai So what does that thing do that a pogo can't ?
16:29 ascii_field take compulsory remote updates from usg ?
16:29 shinohai hue
16:29 ascii_field mine a satoshi a day so redditard can feel l337 ?
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16:29 thestringpuller ascii_field: take compulsory remote updates from usg ? << srsly. it's backed by Cisco aka Spookware Incorporated.
16:29 thestringpuller Who could ever trust this device...
16:29 ascii_field 'Yes, you can indeed make a profit with the 21 Bitcoin Computer. However, you would do so not by directly selling bitcoin, but by selling digital goods for bitcoin. That is, you are not going to get rich by immediately selling the bitcoin mined by the device for offline currency, but you can potentially do very well by selling digital goods and services to others for their bitcoin. ' << hilarious. worth a read, for the lulz
16:29 phf it's got an obligatory "connected to macbook pro" picture for one
16:30 ascii_field 'you can make a profit but you would not do so by making a profit'
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16:30 ascii_field 'your margins on bitcoin earned by selling digital goods and services with the 21 Bitcoin Computer are likely going to be much better than your margins from bitcoin mined with the 21 Bitcoin Computer. That is because the 21 Bitcoin Computer allows you to use bitcoin as a true digital currency for taking worldwide payment for your APIs. The mined bitcoin just provides continuous liquidity into the system. '
16:31 shinohai https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=67058 <<< TradeFortress banned for mentioning theymos' dox ?
16:31 assbot View the profile of Tf | Banned for mentioning theymo.s dox ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wedep1 )
16:31 ascii_field i lack the lsd to properly grasp what is being spoken of here.
16:31 thestringpuller ascii_field: they are trying to use mining as a way to hedge your investment by giving you access to inflation as you sell shit for btc.
16:32 shinohai How is that thing going to mine ANY appreciable mount of btc
16:32 thestringpuller I'm pretty sure ASICminer tried this with the USB miners
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16:32 phf ascii_field: i think it's just written for "guy on a street" layman. "no you can't mine bitcoins anymore, because it's totally unprofitable without a giant asic farm, but you can use this thing to buy and sell bitcoins"
16:33 shinohai Like, you know, a *regular bitcoin client*
16:33 ascii_field at the upper end of the claimed hash rate, and supposing phree mains current, the thing will mine, at TODAY's difficulty.... 0.0012 btc/day.
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16:33 phf i.e. target audience is rpi crowd with no unix, bitcoin, etc. experience. see also "maker" thread
16:33 thestringpuller yea. so you get 0.0012 btc/day, and while you sell shit with the computer it kinda buffers it.
16:34 thestringpuller basically they are hedging on you selling shit for btc to make it pay for the computer which is fucktarded.
16:34 ascii_field even for a scam, this stretches the bounds of the plausible
16:34 thestringpuller no point in including an asic
16:34 ascii_field sell ~what~ with it
16:34 thestringpuller Your API's man!
16:35 ascii_field and what happened to the fucking light bulb
16:35 ascii_field now ~that~ was a quality chumpatron
16:35 thestringpuller So you can post naked pix to instagram through snapchat using twitter and facebook
16:35 thestringpuller and you get paid in BTC for letting people access it!
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16:35 thestringpuller REVOLUTIONARY MAN
16:35 thestringpuller you just don't understand innovation ascii_field
16:35 BingoBoingo https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3lucwl/21co_website_has_just_been_updated_introducing/cv9do2i
16:35 assbot Naviers_Stoked comments on 21.co website has just been updated: "Introducing the first bitcoin computer" ... ( http://bit.ly/1OM0Iek )
16:35 ascii_field if any of you lot have the time and energy, buy one of these things & reverse it
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16:36 ascii_field the hidden functionality of this thing ought to be an entertaining lulzmine
16:37 phf ascii_field: you're too sane, to comprehend this madness. the way stupid thinks in this case, "want to sell bitcoin device, can't really make pogo, because no "value add", so must add some hardware to make it seem like useful hardware." of course they don't have enough sense to say add a ecc sig verifier asic, so add probably stolen miner asic code, which is not going to mine anything for anybody, hence the dodgy justification code.
16:37 phf *justification text
16:38 trinque that's a raspberry pi
16:39 ascii_field http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/91aUgUqFTIL._SL1500_.jpg << daughterboard separate. middle of photo
16:39 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OM1c3U )
16:40 ascii_field presumably - the miner.
16:40 trinque yup
16:41 trinque raised 121.1M according to crunchbase
16:41 ascii_field apparently they have a bastardized wot as well.
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16:41 trinque !up ascii_field
16:41 ascii_field http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014RD021C << vendor page.
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16:41 assbot Amazon.com: The 21 Bitcoin Computer ... ( http://bit.ly/1OM1qrM )
16:41 cazalla FAQ sorta conflicts with the idea of making money with this thing by selling goods.. "we think payment in BTC is not as big an improvement at the present time over standard ways to purchase macroscopic physical goods."
16:42 ascii_field https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/G/01/vince/boost/detailpages/21inc6._SR1000,750_.jpg << knockoff of 'otc', sort-of.
16:42 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1WeeAjx )
16:42 phf https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/G/01/vince/boost/detailpages/21inc3b.jpg
16:42 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1WeeI2C )
16:43 thestringpuller 125mn for this piece of shit?
16:43 thestringpuller 125mn invested to produce this piece of shit*
16:43 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281194 <<< comes preloaded on sdcard
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16:43 assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 20:24:53; jurov: they are never going to fully validate blockchain on SD card
16:44 phf https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/G/01/vince/boost/detailpages/21inc8d._SR1062,670_.jpg << note that the tag on asic seems to be blurred, compared to very readable labels all around it
16:44 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OM1Sq1 )
16:44 mike_c they're pushing micropayments, not buy a $400 hunk of silicon.
16:44 ascii_field mike_c: also pushing a usgized wot knockoff
16:44 ascii_field and otc knockoff
16:45 mike_c yeah.. the whole "not a mining pool" thing is weird
16:45 ascii_field incidentally, i would not be the least bit astonished if the miner die contains a second, inactive circuit for an alternative workfunction
16:45 ascii_field when usgcoin proper comes online.
16:46 ascii_field the laughable hash rate will not matter ~then~.
16:47 mike_c what was it, 140 ghs?
16:47 mike_c ah, 50-125
16:47 mike_c quite a range
16:48 ascii_field aha, from reject pile at ft meade
16:48 ascii_field (what commercial chip do you know of that sells as a ~range~ of possible performance ??!!)
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16:49 ascii_field so, to round off this hypothesis,
16:49 mike_c maybe it's power dependant?
16:49 ascii_field thing has an antifuse bridge inside
16:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.0007392 = 23.9501 BTC [+]
16:49 ascii_field that will be blown by a future 'mandatory update'
16:49 mike_c x volts = 50, y volts = 125?
16:49 ascii_field permanently turning it into a usgcoin miner.
16:50 ascii_field (useless for any other purpose, and, importantly, specifically nonfunctional for conventional bitcoin)
16:51 ascii_field this will be hailed as a great leap forward by the redditard crowd, because difficulty in this altcoin will initially be very low, making their 50-125 appear to 'count for something'
16:53 mike_c well, can't say that i'll be blowing 2 btc on it any time soon.
16:53 ascii_field if my hypothesis is correct AND the makers have half a brain, there is nothing to be learned from buying the board presently. unless you have access to electron microscope.
16:53 mike_c weren't you building one of those in your garage?
16:54 ascii_field nope
16:54 ascii_field i don't even have a garage.
16:54 mike_c ah, first the pick and place, then the electron microscope :)
16:54 cazalla http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2015/09/21/21-inc-releases-first-product-a-bitcoin-computer/ "Mr. Horowitz compared the potential of this computer to early web browsers and his time helping build Netscape back in the 1990s."
16:54 assbot 21 Inc. Releases First Product, a ‘Bitcoin Computer’ - MoneyBeat - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1OM3hgp )
16:55 ascii_field cazalla: see log
16:56 cazalla posted link as it contains some quotes, that's all
16:56 phf (usg agents reading the logs, "ascii always have some good ideas for us")
16:56 trinque "If I find fifty righteous people in Silicon Valley, I will spare the whole place for their sake."
16:57 ascii_field phf: the light bulb miner iirc was suggested here.
16:57 mike_c speaking of new hardware, how goes routing ascii_field?
16:57 cazalla not to mention the fact bitbeat has been used to push all manner of scams
16:57 ascii_field mike_c: very very slowly.
16:57 BingoBoingo 63 GH/s and $56 https://www.bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020141017110427977rQGR3pcf06BE
16:57 assbot BITMAIN ... ( http://bit.ly/1OM3FLN )
16:58 mike_c ugh. maybe you should get a 21 and pay someone else to do it with your constant stream of bitcoin.
16:58 ascii_field mike_c: typically i leave the thing grinding before going off to the minez and check on it in the evening.
16:58 ascii_field very 1970s/batch-processy.
16:58 mike_c heh. so it's mostly auto-routing?
16:59 ascii_field 'auto' would be a lie. but nominally, yes.
17:00 ascii_field phf et al: from my (admittedly very distant) perch, my understanding of usg's engineering problem is as follows
17:00 ascii_field breaks into two parts: 1) create properly usgistic altcoin
17:00 ascii_field 2) siphon the value and ultimately move the nash equilibrium from honest bitcoin to (1)
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17:00 ascii_field the hard part is (2).
17:01 ascii_field although i can easily imagine there being some disagreement among hitler's minions about the exact shape (1) ought to take
17:02 ascii_field it is the siphoning that is the tricky bit.
17:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23350 @ 0.00075234 = 17.5671 BTC [+] {2}
17:13 BingoBoingo !up ascii_field
17:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17820 @ 0.00075234 = 13.4067 BTC [+] {2}
17:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00075235 = 16.5517 BTC [+]
17:23 BingoBoingo https://slimgur.com/images/2015/09/21/17c9a4a078351735389d797dcf5b23f6.jpg
17:23 phf ascii_field: aha
17:26 phf BingoBoingo: all the fat whites that i've seen in turkey were american, literally every one of them would start speaking english at some point while we were watching. in fact approaching u.s. the number and variety of fat people increased dramatically up to the philadelphia saturation levels
17:27 BingoBoingo phf: By Philadelphia saturation levels I assume you are referring to the "cream cheese" which helps them bulk to their size?
17:28 phf philly cheese stake and microbrew beer culture
17:29 BingoBoingo Ah
17:30 phf i live in the area with apparently "highest number of lesbians after san francisco", so lots and lots and lots plus sized sjw types
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17:32 BingoBoingo I see. That must be rough.
17:39 phf mostly amusing, at the local coworking i've probably seen all the stereotypes in flesh. girls with social sciences ph.d. doing research projects, guys pushing feminist rhetoric in every conversation, black transgender talking about white oppression, all manner of "you can do anything" mentality. it's like irl tumblr out there
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17:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141100 @ 0.00075364 = 106.3386 BTC [+] {6}
17:39 BingoBoingo fuck
17:40 BingoBoingo So reading about how USG wants to expand VW's sphincter I can across this enviroscam for the first time http://www.volvotrucks.com/trucks/australia-market/en-au/trucks/environment/Emissions_technology/AdBlue/questions_answers/Pages/question6.aspx
17:40 assbot question6 - Q&A : Volvo Trucks - Australia ... ( http://bit.ly/1YwueZN )
17:41 phf there's an organic food coop here, with stereotypes buying groceries from stereotypes selling it. you'd have a field day
17:42 BingoBoingo "If the AdBlue tank is not topped up at this point – we recommend a minimum top up of at least 3 litres - the ‘Refill AdBlue No start in XXX miles’ message will appear. You will be able to drive the distance shown but you will subsequently be unable to start the engine." >> http://www2.mercedes-benz.co.uk/content/unitedkingdom/mpc/mpc_unitedkingdom_website/en/home_mpc/passengercars/home/corporate_sales0/fleet-after-sales/you
17:42 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1YwuwzD )
17:42 BingoBoingo -and-adblue.html
17:42 BingoBoingo lol phf
17:43 phf ooh ooh, a chubby english major, who's a perpetually broke works random jobs, but aspires to be a singer, but nobody has a heart to tell her that she's not very good
17:45 cazalla phf, she wouldn't believe them anyway eh
17:46 BingoBoingo Yeah, or write it off as oppreshun because people don't understand her condishuns
17:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15933 @ 0.0007529 = 11.996 BTC [-]
17:47 phf there's an organic food place here, ran by, i'm pretty convinced of that, former MOVE hangerons. black folk be talking about prana, and the power of positive thinking, that REALLY WORKS man. typical cliental involves angry black woman talking about taking her daughter to africa and how refreshing it was without all the white folk looking down on you
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17:48 phf i'm not paraphrasing the last bit by the way
17:49 phf there's a coop yoga place, that designed "as a sort of community wellness center", good thing that the owner owns the building too, because they can't seem to quite break even, and periodically have strategic brainstorm sessions about how to make money
17:50 BingoBoingo lol
17:50 phf could make a portlandia show about west philadelphia, if it wasn't all so derivative already
17:51 BingoBoingo It's amazing how much failure gets passed along as "progress" in USistan
17:51 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
17:51 BingoBoingo From the geniuses of Reddit https://i.imgur.com/pe5i8Mb.jpg
17:51 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1YwvPP6 )
17:54 cazalla thanks for ruining my morning cuppa BingoBoingo
17:55 phf and here i am being upset that you can't find a bidet anywhere in u.s. except for muslim neighbourhoods
17:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00075488 = 5.0577 BTC [+] {3}
17:56 phf would probably also solve problems of the creatures in that reddit thread
17:57 BingoBoingo seriously
17:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40211 @ 0.0007529 = 30.2749 BTC [-]
18:02 deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b23
18:05 lobbes 'I'm going to try this. I've been pooping in the shower for years...' << lmao. I don't envy the plumber that finally gets called to snake that drain
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18:26 deedbot- [Qntra] Pirateat40 Pleads Guilty To Securities Fraud - http://qntra.net/2015/09/pirateat40-pleads-guilty-to-securities-fraud/
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18:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10071 @ 0.00075417 = 7.5952 BTC [+] {3}
18:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform unrelatred items.
18:51 mircea_popescu hory shit 130 eth bet.
18:53 * BingoBoingo still astounded that if one wants a new diesel vehicle thanks to the EU it will refuse to run if you don't fill up a second tank with pisstein (urea)
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18:53 mircea_popescu lol srsly ?
18:54 BingoBoingo Government Motors kills people with flimsy ignition locks and VW decides their smallest car is fine without pisstank, yet VW is the bigger villain
18:54 BingoBoingo srsly
18:54 BingoBoingo they call the shit "adblue" 35% urea in aqueaous solution. Gets pissed into the exhaust stream
18:55 mircea_popescu but... why ?
18:55 BingoBoingo Because of Nitrogen oxides
18:55 mircea_popescu lol im sure the "blue" is purely concindental. not like trying to pretend it's not piss.
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18:55 mircea_popescu oh.
18:56 BingoBoingo Because instead of letting efficient diesels with their turbos and insane compression produce a bit more oxidized nitrogen, make them emulate naturally aspirated gasoline vehicle
18:57 mircea_popescu bureaucracy at work. "one thing got away and all other things got to be that thing now. because easier to have a central exception"
18:57 mircea_popescu this is the fundamentally centralizing nature of bureaucracy. "gotta have one king, and preferably he be dead."
18:58 BingoBoingo Because why accept engineering compromises when you can instead invent a tank that pisses into the exhaust and feed monsanto more bezzel
18:59 punkman why don't they have a piss-funnel for the driver? fill it up during the 8 hours of commuting.
18:59 * BingoBoingo remebers there supposedly being a piss backed atlcoin advertised on bitcointalk at one point
18:59 BingoBoingo <punkman> why don't they have a piss-funnel for the driver? fill it up during the 8 hours of commuting. << Biologic piss isn't good enough. Need special monsanto pure piss.
19:00 punkman http://exple.tive.org/blarg/2015/09/20/bourne-aesthetic/
19:00 assbot The Bourne Aesthetic – blarg? ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlKktU )
19:00 mircea_popescu but you could add a gas cromatograph in the exhaust, diagnose driver's odds of getting kidney stones
19:00 mircea_popescu while he waits in traffic.
19:00 BingoBoingo lol
19:00 shinohai BingoBoingo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=600639.0 ?
19:00 assbot [ANN][URO] A Real Long Term Currency: 1 Uro = 1 Metric Tonne Urea Fertilizer ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlKlhp )
19:00 BingoBoingo Well, now diesel exhaust contains ammonia, because THAT is SO MUCH BETTER than NOx
19:00 BingoBoingo shinohai: That one
19:01 shinohai That one gave me quite a few lolz
19:03 phf http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~mihaib/kernighan-interview/
19:03 assbot An Interview with Brian Kernighan ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlKy45 )
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19:19 punkman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPXUG8q4jKU "I dont wanna live in a city where a rat cant drag a hard-earned slice of pizza down a subway staircase without being tormented by the media"
19:19 assbot New York City rat taking pizza home on the subway - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlLwgR )
19:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.0007392 = 4.1395 BTC [-]
19:22 mircea_popescu i cant even.
19:27 mircea_popescu "No, you pedo-peso hoarding little shit lizard. One of your sociopathic free-market libertarian brethren took it upon themselves to threaten a real person and people around them in their place of work making them genuinely fearful."
19:27 mircea_popescu ahahaha what the ever living fuck.
19:28 mircea_popescu who the fuck is stolfi and who the fuck cares about his bizarro cover-up for his own retirement.
19:28 mircea_popescu guy got bored of being stupid, i get it, no need to pretend like HORRIBRU FORCES AFOOT.
19:28 BingoBoingo lol
19:29 mircea_popescu anyway. if this works so well, i guess we need to sean more of sa then ?
19:29 mircea_popescu put the fear of god into them, as that guy said.
19:31 mircea_popescu https://archive.is/eTq1K because lulz.
19:31 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbUhiH )
19:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00073675 = 8.4358 BTC [-] {3}
19:36 mircea_popescu (that guy, J.E. Freeman)
19:38 mircea_popescu btw, asciilifeform you know who invented "teledildonics" rite ?
19:38 asciilifeform nope
19:38 mircea_popescu "HTML is precisely what we were trying to PREVENT" guy.
19:38 mircea_popescu ted nelson.
19:38 asciilifeform l0l
19:38 mircea_popescu he's right, too. it is.
19:39 * asciilifeform owns pretty much the whole of nelson's collected output, on dead tree
19:39 * asciilifeform still working his way through it, sporadically
19:39 mircea_popescu (not for the reason he cites, or at least not exactly, he fails to understand the deep rpoblems with "rights management", (which are what "version management" is in an edulcorated form)
19:40 mircea_popescu but otherwise, yes, link rot and no bijection. who the fuck wants this piece of shit.
19:41 mircea_popescu hint : the "expectations" about "what the internet is" which were build in the 90s by people about as informed or inclined to think as the current "blockchain technologies" crowd, are predicated on a MAXIMAL EXTENSION of an optimal ideal nelsonian network.
19:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25901 @ 0.00074452 = 19.2838 BTC [+] {3}
19:41 mircea_popescu they have zit to do with the html&javascript internet of today.
19:41 BingoBoingo That Lopp fellow shilling for 21 nao
19:41 asciilifeform the micropayment thing has to be taken in context. it was 1960s and his vision was arguably an improvement of 'if you want to make money from thinking, have a job in usg academia'
19:41 BingoBoingo https://archive.is/8Wb1W
19:41 assbot The 21 Bitcoin Computer : bitcoinxt ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbViaw )
19:42 asciilifeform *improvement over
19:42 mircea_popescu all that shit re culture and whatnot, all the pretense of wikipedia to relevance, the whole kaboodle : an overstated maximal output of an optimistic evaluation of a technological base that a) never actually existed in fact and b) has meanwhile been substituted by a provably worse alternative IN ALL THE POINTS
19:42 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo he was always 21 "evanghelism" afaik.
19:43 asciilifeform the other thing that folks often forget is that neither nelson nor anybody else seriously expected illiterate derps to get their hands on the machines
19:43 BingoBoingo Ah
19:43 mircea_popescu this is how vc circus works, spend 10-20mn on "a venture", part of which goes to "a respectable voice" etc.
19:43 asciilifeform any more than schoolchildren are given bulldozers to play with
19:43 mircea_popescu in the 60s ?
19:43 asciilifeform aha
19:43 mircea_popescu in the 60s they didn't even realise their own children will be marrying into illiterate for lack of alternative.
19:44 asciilifeform 'computer' had stopped being a job title, but was still very much a ~place~
19:44 mircea_popescu when i was a kid, the #1 question hopeful spouse had to handle with the fambly was "are they smart enough"
19:44 mircea_popescu us forgot this somehoiw.
19:44 mircea_popescu who the fuck said "honey, she's too dumb for you and her house smells of poor people" the past decade.
19:45 asciilifeform afaik this is still very much a thing in usa
19:45 mircea_popescu ("smells of poor people" is in no small part ABSENCE. "intellectuals" are used to the mild allergenic reaction of paper dust mites + old ink smell in trace amounts. because 5k books around.)
19:45 asciilifeform aha!
19:45 asciilifeform to the point that if i travel for week+ and come home, it knocks me over nearly
19:46 * mircea_popescu doesn't keep books anymore
19:46 asciilifeform they didn't fit into the space capsule aha
19:46 gernika My encyclopedia britannica smelled - not good
19:46 gernika used to it now
19:46 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i took a gamble of sorts. it kinda worked.
19:46 phf man can't keep up with that guy, first email, now books
19:46 asciilifeform gernika: what vintage ?
19:46 mircea_popescu what guy ?
19:47 phf you
19:47 asciilifeform gernika: i have a 1958 one, smells great
19:47 mircea_popescu lol.
19:47 shinohai Sent 20 emails out today regarding your art commission, get one chick to reply 10 minutes ago. I gave her a link to chat.
19:47 mircea_popescu hey, i count it like giving up drinking.
19:47 mircea_popescu i don't aim to defend it.
19:47 gernika asciilifeform: 1958 - complete with class schedule of a junior high student from 1969.
19:47 asciilifeform gernika: we might disagree on what means 'smells great'
19:48 gernika asciilifeform: it's a slightly chemical smell - perhaps ammoniaish?
19:48 asciilifeform gernika: not in mine (as far as naked nose can tell) - oddly enough
19:48 asciilifeform other than possibly on the colour plates.
19:48 mircea_popescu ahahahaah alf has a nose cosy ?
19:49 asciilifeform cosy ?
19:49 mircea_popescu o you dunno what a cosy is ?
19:49 asciilifeform just now saw it for the first time
19:49 asciilifeform apparently a kind of sock ?
19:49 mircea_popescu it's a great thing. the main by-product of the knitting culture. little clothes made to measure by bored old women for things like teapots.
19:50 * asciilifeform does not own a knitted cone (or any other kind) to wear on the nose...
19:50 mircea_popescu it has all the symptoms of childrearing apparatus gone berserk.
19:51 asciilifeform https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/pool/21inc << l0l
19:51 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbWoTx )
19:51 asciilifeform and here i was thinking that hearncoin was through
19:53 mircea_popescu so dumbass "political campaign" for some twerp here tried to have a huge rally (which is how i woke up, fucking drummers). but it's been raining, and nobody gives a shit about their crap, so they took refuge under a huge awning and there they've been, playing this inept 2 minute political soundclip (lo que la gente quiere, blabla fuckhead rodrgues) etc. this for a while, until
19:53 mircea_popescu <mircea_popescu> those fuckers. NOBODY FUCKING QUIERES.
19:53 mircea_popescu *hanbot* i'm dressing.
19:53 mircea_popescu <mircea_popescu> huh ?
19:53 mircea_popescu *hanbot* i am going out there to tell them to shut the fuck up.
19:53 mircea_popescu <mircea_popescu> this i gotta see.
19:53 mircea_popescu so she went down there and they stopped. and then... were quiet for like... ten minutes.
19:53 mircea_popescu then they started again
19:53 mircea_popescu for maybe five minutes. and then left.
19:54 mircea_popescu let it never be said that woman can not break things. woman can break men's spirit, and that's major.
19:54 asciilifeform l0l
19:54 mircea_popescu she fucking shoo'd a political campaign away from the fucking downtown landmark!
19:54 mircea_popescu valkyrie on a stick.
19:55 mircea_popescu i gotta teach her how to work the backpack flamethrower.
19:55 hanbot ^ yes please.
19:55 mircea_popescu lmao. remember that monthy python supermarket scene ?
19:55 mircea_popescu woman buys flamethrower ?
19:56 hanbot i've got a fever, and the only prescription is moar dakka.
19:56 mircea_popescu haha
19:57 cazalla asciilifeform, same seller you have mentioned from time to time? http://kremlin.enterprises/post/129364443055/your-code-is-so-bad-we-had-to-make-etclocal
19:57 assbot your code is so bad we had to make /etc/local/... - kremlin_t ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbX7UP )
19:57 punkman http://xm42.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/EASDFS3.jpg
19:57 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbX778 )
19:58 mircea_popescu punkman nah that's mickey mouse.
19:58 mircea_popescu golden standard is this ru 8 gallon pre-pressured mix thing
19:59 asciilifeform cazalla: looks like dks's house, aha
19:59 asciilifeform cazalla: (a few photos in)
19:59 asciilifeform cazalla: i have the 3620 (first photo)
19:59 phf above is just a portable propane poofer, which is a sort of rite of passage for construction among burning man steel&propane crowd
20:00 mircea_popescu ah. yea
20:00 asciilifeform or perhaps not dks. no idea.
20:01 punkman above uses gasoline/diesel and electric pump
20:01 asciilifeform 'the situation was as follows: an older eccentric millionaire type had lots of this equipment rotting in his basement from years past. it needed to go, and he didn’t care much about scoring big for it. the people paying the market price for all this stuff would certainly mistreat it as they’d just flip them to profit. he wanted to see them go into loving hands who would restore them and treat them properly, but mostly want
20:01 asciilifeform ed to see them go out of his basement. there was a lot of equipment besides the lisp machines.'
20:01 phf for effective flame thrower you really want a gelling agent
20:02 mircea_popescu ^
20:02 asciilifeform aha!
20:02 mircea_popescu gas is only good for tv.
20:02 asciilifeform this is underappreciated
20:02 mircea_popescu two problems : the flame is "light" so it flies off and you can't get it ON things.
20:02 mircea_popescu such as people.
20:03 mircea_popescu you want the flame to be HEAVY so you can put it on the enemy from under cover by shooting an arc
20:03 mircea_popescu and you want it to stick around.
20:03 phf punkman: yeah, i've realised that i was wrong after seeing little trails on the ground
20:03 * mircea_popescu looks again.
20:03 cazalla yeah that line is what caught my attention, story sounded familiar to something you have said here before
20:03 mircea_popescu mmm, the way that ONE trail looked to me was, she's firing it at a puddle of flammable something
20:04 mircea_popescu because reflection.
20:04 asciilifeform cazalla: except that dks is not rich. he is a very old man living in a very small house - and - at least when i visited - had a boarder.
20:06 asciilifeform history of flamethrower - supposedly an uninterestingly low-tech thing - is actually full of twists
20:06 phf so according to the website, "Officially approved fuels: Gasoline (unleaded), gasoline-diesel mixture, alcohol." and "tilizes a high pressure electric fuel pump, powered by a 3S lithium-polymer battery typically used in R/C aircraft"
20:06 asciilifeform when ww2 started, state of the art was to have 'pilot light'
20:07 BingoBoingo <phf> for effective flame thrower you really want a gelling agent << polystyrene
20:07 asciilifeform but this drew fire, and so different ways were tried
20:07 asciilifeform the spout turned into something disguised as approximately a normal rifle,
20:07 asciilifeform and ignition was done electrically or even with a pistol blank cartridge.
20:07 mircea_popescu " there was also a demand for systems that could be easily introspected, debugged, and changed by individual engineers, which was something mainframes couldn’t easily do as one mistake by one engineer could bring down a system serving dozens" <<< since we're doing the entire underappreciated point thing.
20:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00073581 = 10.2278 BTC [-]
20:07 mircea_popescu the whole reason we EVEN THINK of software as user-serviceable is this.
20:08 mircea_popescu of fucking course it went to shit soon thereafter.
20:08 mircea_popescu it's a thin blade to walk.
20:09 mircea_popescu asciilifeform except they're not low tech at all. heck, fuel bombs are today state of the art even.
20:10 mircea_popescu "the amount of engineering effort that went into these machines far outweighs what you might get in a modern computer, and that’s something i don’t think the world will ever see again" << he's wrong, fwiw. the amount of competent work that went into art as the empire got fucked in the ass exceeded the amount before.
20:10 mircea_popescu just, to no benefit.
20:10 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform except they're not low tech at all. heck, fuel bombs are today state of the art even. << Only because enviro-frauds keep nuclear shaming
20:10 mircea_popescu but on the metric he proposes, he;'s wrong.
20:11 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo do the math, you'll see nuclear's not on the table.
20:11 BingoBoingo For flamethrower or bomb?
20:12 BingoBoingo Spz. I need a harbor? How long would that take to dig with ANFO vs. Nuclear?
20:12 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: iirc they used straight kerosene in ru, in those days.
20:13 mircea_popescu asciilifeform aha.
20:13 asciilifeform and a separate tank for compressed air.
20:13 asciilifeform worked well enough.
20:13 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo for bomb of equal effectivity as fuel bomb, made out of your own choice of nuclear.
20:13 mircea_popescu asciilifeform aha.
20:13 asciilifeform primary use case is really against a mostly-sealed container such as a tank or pillbox
20:13 asciilifeform burn out the air.
20:13 mircea_popescu many use cases.
20:13 mircea_popescu tank, pillbox, enemy behind close ridge,
20:13 mircea_popescu enemy in building,
20:14 mircea_popescu fucking mice, generally speaking.
20:14 asciilifeform the brits, in their typical 'if a thing is good, 100x of it is 100x better,' built a flamethrowing tank.
20:14 phf BingoBoingo: we've used all kinds of stuff during childhood experiments. motor oil, tar (there was plenty of that in the country house area), bicycle tire shavings
20:15 BingoBoingo Interesting
20:15 mircea_popescu tar is arguably even better.
20:15 phf not for flamethrower though, for "molotov"
20:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah lol
20:16 BingoBoingo http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/fairview-heights-man-claims-he-was-imprisoned-for-days-for/article_b8093e36-4708-594f-a92e-1fec01e3cf19.html
20:16 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbZ2J0 )
20:16 asciilifeform i've often wondered if a thermite-type reaction could be carried on in a liquid.
20:17 phf i think ping pong balls and badminton shuttlecocks (oh man european sport hobbies) was closest we've gotten to plastics
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20:17 asciilifeform it would be a devastating - if expensive - weapon, with armour being of little to no use - provided that you could find a way to avoid incinerating own barrel.
20:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no reason it shouldn't, huh.
20:17 mircea_popescu phf yup, it was so bad at some point sports suppliers refused to sell ping pong balls to boys.
20:18 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> it would be a devastating - if expensive - weapon, with armour being of little to no use - provided that you could find a way to avoid incinerating own barrel. << Probably ought to be dropped
20:18 mircea_popescu "fuck you, get a girl to do it."
20:18 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: dropped << that's old hat. i was speaking of man-portable projectile weapons specifically.
20:19 BingoBoingo What, weapon can be limited to use only from top of cliff
20:20 phf oh man ping pong balls the versatile weapon manufacturing device, i'm surprised they are not yet banned in u.s. stores. make a small hole, fill it with stuff, attach a fuse
20:21 mircea_popescu https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3lv58i/qntra_on_ethereum_vs_bitcoinxt/ << which one of you statist shills came up with the name.
20:21 assbot Qntra on Ethereum vs BitcoinXT : bitcoinxt ... ( http://bit.ly/1PlOGX0 )
20:21 mircea_popescu phf what fuse, stick a length of shoelace in there, good to go.
20:22 mircea_popescu we had specialist "turner" (kid who was adept at turning 1/4 wire around shoelace in a corkscrew pattern making ready to go puncher for ball.)
20:22 mircea_popescu (you just used the injection hole as a starter)
20:22 phf haa
20:22 mircea_popescu come to think of it... no fucking wonder romania doesn't need fire alarms.
20:23 mircea_popescu you'd have to be fucking insane to build things flammably.
20:23 mircea_popescu or had to, at any rate.
20:27 phf we actually did have fuse at some point. one of the kids had one of those "engineer" fathers, who, i remember gave us, of note, soviet spectrum knockoff, rc plane engines of various sizes. he's also the one who converted part of forest glade into a "proper" badminton field, and then, with his wife as a partner, proceeded to regularly slaughter us in regular tournament matches
20:28 asciilifeform i did the most ordinary fuses - rope soaked in saltpetre.
20:28 asciilifeform they worked great.
20:28 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281563 << ugh. plastic badminton shuttles. for the birds !
20:28 assbot Logged on 22-09-2015 00:17:16; phf: i think ping pong balls and badminton shuttlecocks (oh man european sport hobbies) was closest we've gotten to plastics
20:28 mircea_popescu but you gotta live in a shitty marsh where saltpetre is found!!1
20:29 BingoBoingo Apparently the New York Times endorses untrained bystanders doing cric because 'Murica is now too fat for the heimlich http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/09/14/what-comes-after-the-heimlich-maneuver/?smid=tw-nytimeswell&smtyp=cur&_r=0
20:29 assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fc0iM5 )
20:29 mircea_popescu too fat for hymen lick ? not surprising!
20:29 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281365 << ayup. to quote an alf :
20:29 assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 22:53:12; *: BingoBoingo still astounded that if one wants a new diesel vehicle thanks to the EU it will refuse to run if you don't fill up a second tank with pisstein (urea)
20:29 pete_dushenski !s i thought this was well known
20:29 assbot 4 results for 'i thought this was well known' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=i+thought+this+was+well+known
20:30 cazalla BingoBoingo, sure i read even heimlich stopped promoting the heimlich at some point
20:30 mircea_popescu i had no idea.
20:30 pete_dushenski isn't it incredible the hoops that plastic-badge-loving maroons will jump through ?
20:31 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski: [...] it isn't. but it doesn't help that my translation efforts are ~starting~ with post-phd-level writings THAT DON'T EVEN HAVE ACCENTS << he has a point there lol.
20:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28150 @ 0.00073532 = 20.6993 BTC [-]
20:31 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: well ya :D
20:31 mircea_popescu two or three more twists of the difficulty knob, you'll be almost at the level of archeologists trying to read some stone they found.
20:32 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281372 << not a piss consideration. entirely germany's 'green but not green so then blue' branding
20:32 assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 22:55:27; mircea_popescu: lol im sure the "blue" is purely concindental. not like trying to pretend it's not piss.
20:32 mircea_popescu real men skinnydip in the marian trench. DURING SHARK SEASON ONLY.
20:32 pete_dushenski all the german car co's do the 'blue' thing
20:32 mircea_popescu they had the grune punkt. why not green ?
20:33 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: real men dance on hot coals with other real men on their shoulders. in a blizzard.
20:33 pete_dushenski green is for ze amerikans
20:33 phf pete_dushenski: hard to source that sort of stuff in the middle of nowhere, by the time we would even consider destroying a shuttle, i'd be shredded beyond any sort of reasonable aerodynamic characteristics
20:33 mircea_popescu hm.
20:34 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: green is, ironically, dirty.
20:34 mircea_popescu phf wut srsly ? i take it YOUR soviet state wasn't friends with china back then huh ?
20:34 mircea_popescu nyah nyah.
20:34 mircea_popescu romania was awash in chinese exports. including the "drawing sets" and whatnot.
20:35 pete_dushenski when i was in china, the giant stadiums full of badminton players, all of whom i coulda mopped the floor with, used... plastic.
20:35 mircea_popescu i never saw a cock made out of anything but.
20:35 pete_dushenski i guarantee that there were private clubs in soviet russia that had feather shuttles
20:35 mircea_popescu maybe.
20:35 pete_dushenski just not for everyone
20:35 mircea_popescu badminton kinda had this bad rep as i grew up.
20:35 pete_dushenski they're around $3 a pop
20:35 mircea_popescu "what fat chicks do"
20:36 pete_dushenski the feather shuttles
20:36 pete_dushenski have been for years
20:36 phf i've not seen a chinese export, until the first wave of chelnok came back with bag full of stuff from turkey (traded as i recently discovered for priceless pre-soviet antiques for pennies)
20:36 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: i can see it. 'athletic but not'
20:36 pete_dushenski the backyard sorta game that most everyone knows is exactly this
20:37 mircea_popescu it wasn't even gay, like volley or what's that other thing, minisoccer with hands ?
20:37 pete_dushenski lolwut
20:37 mircea_popescu phf well they weren't priceless antiques yet. and i doubt many people seriously saw a putin future back then.
20:37 pete_dushenski handball maybe ?
20:37 BingoBoingo !b 12
20:37 assbot Last 12 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2A6X5KE.txt )
20:37 mircea_popescu as far as anyone could imagine, russia was going the way of ex euro colonies in africa.
20:37 mircea_popescu a yeah handball
20:38 mircea_popescu right, so volleyball and handball were the faggoty sports in that it's what the girls (and some guys) did. whereas you were supposed to play football like god intended, or MAYBE basketball. badminton was literally, healthclub fare, for old people and chicks of the third gender.
20:39 mircea_popescu (this is what you get when the state embraces sports and you get mandatory sport in school and whatnot)
20:39 phf mircea_popescu: huh, that's really odd, not much of that in su
20:39 mircea_popescu rly ?
20:40 phf well, i didn't know anyone else playing badminton except our group, purely on account said father and his wife being some sort of ranked competing amateur level at some point of their lives. but i've never encountered the whole "badminton is not real sport" until i came to u.s.
20:40 mircea_popescu honestly, most everyone was more open minded than romanians throughout forever. most hardline soviets in soviet union, would have hung nikita if possible after that thing. heck, ceausescu was trying to convince gorbacev of the errors of the past in 1987
20:41 mircea_popescu and before that, and hence.
20:42 pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Mmg7PVJ3rg << for example (and ftr) here are a couple of the guys i used to play against and train with, and what high-level amateur singles badminton looks like in canada
20:42 assbot 2013 Canadian Nationals - MS F - B.Milroy [BC] vs A.Pang [AB] - Match - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PlRinK )
20:42 pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi_qpF1ClrQ << some doubles, about the level i played at in my prime
20:42 assbot Black Knight British Columbia Junior Elite U19 Doubles Finals Badminton - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PlRmEf )
20:42 mircea_popescu (i am not seriously proposing there's objective hierarchy to the respectability of sports, if that's not obvious. merely recording lived history)
20:42 mats i don't get the basis for this 'old people and chicks of the third gender' shtick.
20:42 mircea_popescu mats you understand how social exclusion works rite ?
20:42 mats its accessible to the infirm and therefore, what...?
20:42 mircea_popescu therefore undignified.
20:43 mircea_popescu literally, the most common dismissal in kid circles was, "anyone could do that".
20:44 mircea_popescu and the proper phraseology for a challenge, "hey, can you do this ?"
20:44 mircea_popescu ie, "ba, tu poti asa ?"
20:45 cazalla handball was boys only down under, cant ever recall seeing girls play but many competitive boys matches amongst all the grades
20:45 pete_dushenski in canada, the equivalent to the 'sport for old ppl and chicks of third gender' is curling
20:45 pete_dushenski but really it's mostly the former, old ppl and small town folk
20:45 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281026 << well of course ? i mean, they did pay into the scheme, neh ?
20:45 assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 14:57:28; pete_dushenski: ' mean to the people ?
20:46 phf pete_dushenski: those videos make me itch, lol
20:46 mircea_popescu in today's fun exotism, curling means "ass I lick" in romanian.
20:46 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: so did americans, but it's not really sustainable for them ALL to get that pension they were promised. so they won't
20:46 pete_dushenski phf: like itch to play again ? :)
20:47 mircea_popescu which is why independence makes sense. demand you get it anyway.
20:47 mircea_popescu as a bloc.
20:47 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: bahaha
20:47 mircea_popescu better deal than getting raped as an individual.
20:47 pete_dushenski laugh was about "ass i lick"
20:47 phf pete_dushenski: doubles look weak though, like they are playing tennis, wouldn't fly with our teachers, since you were going to get one at the net, once you started camping so far back
20:48 trinque bocce is in my mind the essential old people's backyard drinking game
20:48 mircea_popescu ah, no drinking whatsoever.
20:48 mircea_popescu drinking games are a diff story altogether.
20:48 trinque oh, a friend and I drank plenty playing bocce at his house
20:49 trinque this is what I thought badminton was for as well; something absurd to do while drinking socially
20:49 pete_dushenski phf: ya, those kids aren't fantastic.
20:49 mircea_popescu as seen in amato's liceale. "Ve ho fregato perche non le porto!"
20:50 mircea_popescu drinking games mostly consist of "guess what article of clothing the boys are thinking about - if you guess right you gotta show it, if not take it off!"
20:50 phf the height of chic was to get an opponent into a dunking game, and then do a light drop right by the net. perfectly execute resulted in shuttle skirting the edge and dropping on the other side. not sure if that's properly legal though. many a games have been lost because somebody wanted to show off and ended up hitting the net on own side
20:50 cazalla mircea_popescu, the romanian handball is 5-6 squares with no wall or the shitty 1v1 or 2v2 players hit against the wall type of hand ball?
20:50 mircea_popescu cazalla it's that thing where you're supposed to shoot at a small goal gate from no closer than 7 meters
20:51 mircea_popescu special interdiction zone around it
20:51 cazalla no ace king queen jack dunce then i guess as we did here
20:51 mircea_popescu actually the wall thing didn't have a [single] name but it was perfectly acceptable passtime for getting the players together for a game o' football.
20:51 pete_dushenski https://youtu.be/TOxNOa-yZJ4?t=22m8s << for those interested, actual pro men's doubles badminton
20:52 assbot L.Yong Dae/Y.Y.Seong v M.Boe/C.Mog.|MD| Day 4 Match 6 - BWF Destination Dubai 2014 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fc2HGT )
20:53 pete_dushenski phf: what's 'a dunking game' ?
20:53 cazalla i guess handball is as ambiguous as football the world over then
20:53 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281036 << amd is so fucked ;/
20:53 assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 15:28:09; pete_dushenski: "AMD's top microprocessor architect Jim Keller has walked from the chip vendor, just months after the company unveiled a shift in strategy to reinvest in high-end FX CPUs. Keller quit on Friday, having returned to AMD in 2012 after most recently working at Apple."
20:53 pete_dushenski and yes, hitting the net is loss of point, but other than that, sounds legal/legit
20:53 phf pete_dushenski: i don't know any of the proper english terminology, but your video precisely illustrates my point
20:53 mircea_popescu as predicted by alf and others.
20:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00073532 = 2.5736 BTC [-]
20:54 pete_dushenski phf: maybe you're refering to full court 'lobs' ? these'd be called 'clears' en anglais
20:54 phf one side is doing the whole jump and direct hit, where's the other side counters equally strong, but then sneak lower energy response to the net. in the video chinese guy doesn't clear it though
20:55 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: inb4 amd opterons are going for $1k a pop
20:56 pete_dushenski just checked local classifieds, whole box with 'opteron' can be had for as little as $150 still
20:56 pete_dushenski ~0.5 btc
20:56 BingoBoingo https://i.imgur.com/JJ4CDlF.png
20:56 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fc3kjz )
20:56 phf pete_dushenski: right, according the wikipedia it's a series of lobs, followed by drop shot
20:57 pete_dushenski aha
20:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38100 @ 0.00073467 = 27.9909 BTC [-] {3}
20:58 pete_dushenski phf: after watching a bit more of that u19 boys doubles vid, both sides are awfully nervous
20:58 pete_dushenski which makes sense given that their parents are breathing down their necks 2' from the court
20:59 pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbZekuO-FJY << much better canadian men's doubles. no nerves here.
20:59 assbot Canadian Badminton Nationals 2011 - Bronze Medal Game - Men's Double 3rd set (2) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fc3GXm )
21:00 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: not all opterons are created equal
21:00 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: aha. so what's 'alf recommended' ?
21:00 pete_dushenski for the completely ignorant...
21:00 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: depends on what you're doing !
21:01 asciilifeform sorta like pete_dushenski would react if i asked 'recommend a car'
21:01 BingoBoingo Trying to take over the world?
21:01 pete_dushenski ok : bitcoin, pgp, web, text, youtube.
21:02 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: the hard part is to find the mobo with ecc/'registered' ram support
21:02 asciilifeform the cpu itself is (at this time) plentiful
21:03 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281255 << man o man is this worth a chuckle
21:03 assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 20:41:36; ascii_field: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014RD021C << vendor page.
21:04 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: see log
21:04 pete_dushenski they won't sell 10k of these things
21:04 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: o i did
21:04 mircea_popescu yeah, doubt the 1k a pop scenario is possible, amd never had good mb support.
21:04 mircea_popescu and i gotta learn to form my ideas in subsecond rather than subminute intervals, or else i just repeat the damned log!
21:05 asciilifeform i've been running 'tyan' boards for many years.
21:05 pete_dushenski i wish 21 could be relied upon to publish sales data, which they aren't, or else i'd try to short the tards
21:05 asciilifeform pretty much everything else afaik is junk.
21:05 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski where are they listed ?
21:05 pete_dushenski 21 is private afaik
21:07 pete_dushenski http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2015/09/were_number_16.html << heh. usistan drops from 10th to 16th in 'economic freedom' in a span of just 4 years
21:07 assbot We're Number 16! We're Number 16!, David Henderson | EconLog | Library of Economics and Liberty ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fc4EmD )
21:07 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281047 << because it was the one available escape from socialism ?
21:07 assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 16:18:27; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281021 << it is necessary to somehow explain why virtually all of the mathematics worth anything whatsoever in 20th c. happened under the red flag
21:08 asciilifeform escape l0l
21:09 hanbot BingoBoingo / cazalla , qntra submission for consideration: http://dpaste.com/1TAA9VJ
21:09 assbot dpaste: 1TAA9VJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fc4ZWh )
21:09 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you dispute ?
21:10 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not as such. but have to consider why the escape was, at least in certain cases, into mathematics rather than drink
21:10 mircea_popescu this never happened.
21:10 mircea_popescu undrunk ru mathematician ?!
21:10 mircea_popescu not even in highschool teaching.
21:11 asciilifeform or, possibly more to the point, why the escape from misery of the west is pretty much never into first-rate mathematics.
21:11 mircea_popescu because the misery of the west is not self aware.
21:11 mircea_popescu it's a sort of misery that masquerades as "good enough".
21:11 asciilifeform there is this. but also the other thing.
21:11 mircea_popescu which is ?
21:12 asciilifeform the western model of mass education, with the conscious goal of maximally intellectually crippling the victim ?
21:12 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281071 << why do you think this is either difficult or even rare on a vm ?!
21:12 assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 16:28:37; thestringpuller: to change running process and storage in way that bitcoin client is validating invalid blocks...
21:12 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the su had the exact same, exactly equally conscious goal.
21:13 mircea_popescu all education is an exercise in rape. that it's done by the state just improves the odds of it being unpleasant,
21:13 mircea_popescu but otherwise, education is rape.
21:13 deedbot- [Qntra] Have Nude Pics of Yourself, go to Jail - http://qntra.net/2015/09/have-nude-pics-of-yourself-go-to-jail/
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21:15 asciilifeform education in su, at least in so far as it pertained to maths and the physical sciences, was most certainly not a feature of a 'make'em stupid' plan of whatever sort.
21:16 asciilifeform the key difference is not even, as popularly supposed, in the fundamentals (although to some extent this was true)
21:16 trinque re: qntra what of the police officer's actively seeking to collect naked teen pix
21:16 asciilifeform but in the willingness to pluck out the exceptional and hand'em over to apprentice under masters.
21:16 trinque *officers
21:17 asciilifeform ftr i did not witness any of the latter personally.
21:17 asciilifeform but it was a thing.
21:19 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281751 << iirc this was in the logz week or two ago...
21:19 assbot Logged on 22-09-2015 01:13:51; deedbot-: [Qntra] Have Nude Pics of Yourself, go to Jail - http://qntra.net/2015/09/have-nude-pics-of-yourself-go-to-jail/
21:20 asciilifeform but since it is here again, i will note that it is precisely the arbitrary cruelty that is the ~goal~ here.
21:21 trinque maybe the cops just enjoy their fap material young.
21:21 trinque and you know, knocked around by the legal system a bit
21:22 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Hanbot includes the news where he now plea guilty, also hard to pass up her particular style of condemnation of evil
21:22 asciilifeform 'The real power, the power we have to fight for night and day, is not power over things, but over men.' He paused, and for a moment assumed again his air of a schoolmaster questioning a promising pupil: 'How does one man assert his power over another, Winston?' Winston thought. 'By making him suffer,' he said. 'Exactly. By making him suffer. Obedience is not enough. Unless he is suffering, how can you be sure tha
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21:22 asciilifeform t he is obeying your will and not his own? Power is in inflicting pain and humiliation. Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing.'
21:23 asciilifeform (oughta be obvious from where)
21:23 asciilifeform among the pua folks, this is known as 'shit test'
21:24 trinque I don't know that it's anything as centrally organized as Orwell's thing
21:24 trinque they can pick on teenagers for their normal sexuality, and so they do
21:24 asciilifeform this is not a necessary hypothesis.
21:24 asciilifeform and yes, for normal sexuality.
21:25 asciilifeform as described in the footnotes of http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-software-licensing-paradigm
21:25 assbot A new software licensing paradigm on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGVObY )
21:26 asciilifeform 'At a past time when the ownership of female humans was the principal method to control capital formation and the political process, the same sort of dead hand fictions proposed that they in fact control the usage of women, that anyone owning a woman does so only as a sublicense from their sovereign ownership of all women, and may proceed only in furtherance of the regulation they emitted as to how women may be used and may no
21:26 asciilifeform t be used and so on and so forth. Specifically excluded from all this - the woman in question. Particularly "criminal" at the time - using a woman in the manner she herself wishes to be used. Times have changed, women are now worthless, but computers aren't, and these same dead hand fictions propose anew : that they own all computers, that if you own a computer it's only a sublease from them, subject to furthering their regula
21:26 asciilifeform tions and so on and so forth. Specifically excluded from all this - what the code actually says and does. Particularly "criminal" - using a computer in the manner it itself allows to be used.'
21:26 asciilifeform ^ from mircea_popescu's piece, quoted for the logz.
21:28 asciilifeform the particular case in question is also an instance of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-08-2015#1232285
21:28 assbot Logged on 09-08-2015 15:21:43; asciilifeform: now, for the other prong of the question, 'omg121111!!1111 ch1ld pr0n!' prosecutions in usa are always, without exception about one thing: 'know that you can go to the camps for having certain bitstrings on your hdd. and that if we want to, we can put them there, aha.'
21:29 asciilifeform all cp prosecutions are, without exception, exercises of 'lettre du cachet' powers. on account of the impossibility of proving otherwise, plus the lack of anyone giving half a rat's arse re: said proof.
21:30 asciilifeform 'hackteam' leak revealed a spiffy, user-friendly bot module used by usg to remotely cp-ize winblowz users. it was mentioned in guess how many newspapers.
21:32 trinque I see that point; in this case I think it reflects the actual twisted beliefs of the population
21:32 asciilifeform and - ianal, but, afaik it is a 'strict liability' offence in usa. this means that considerations like 'i had no idea this was on my box' only count with respect to the decision to prosecute - that is, ~in the event the prosecutor deems it worthy of consideration~ - rather than on the matter of guilt or innocence.
21:32 trinque see: abstinence camps and so on
21:33 mircea_popescu trinque heh, i imagine there's some pretty decent policeman teen porn stashes.
21:33 trinque oh I'm sure they trade the things just like has been said about the NSA
21:34 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> but in the willingness to pluck out the exceptional and hand'em over to apprentice under masters. << kinda like outcast behaviour.
21:34 mircea_popescu "the kid has the M disease, what do we do ? " "i dunnoi, cast him in the M pit, let them tell him how to live with it. they obviously know by now"
21:34 asciilifeform it worked.
21:34 mircea_popescu that it happens to work well doesn't change what it is.
21:34 asciilifeform i personally don't give a damn if they had been doing it to please odin.
21:35 asciilifeform it fucking worked.
21:35 asciilifeform and in usa, it is anathema.
21:35 mircea_popescu but we were not discussing THAT.
21:36 mircea_popescu <trinque> maybe the cops just enjoy their fap material young. << everybody does. prime fuckmeat = nude teen chained to the wall.
21:37 mircea_popescu about as likely to change as the color of sunset.
21:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31950 @ 0.00075144 = 24.0085 BTC [+] {4}
21:37 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281212 << I can get 10k per day and it only cost me ~35 USD worth
21:37 assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 20:29:28; ascii_field: mine a satoshi a day so redditard can feel l337 ?
21:37 trinque yeah, I've got no problem with it; they're the ones protesting too much
21:37 trinque mircea_popescu: ^
21:38 mircea_popescu lol danielpbarron got himself a mining rig huh.
21:39 asciilifeform see logz for my hypothesis re: why usg is handing out almost homeopathically-small miners.
21:40 mircea_popescu i handed this one out.
21:40 asciilifeform speaking of the other one
21:40 asciilifeform the '21' thing
21:40 mircea_popescu <trinque> I see that point; in this case I think it reflects the actual twisted beliefs of the population << in all cases. that's how witchhunts work, and why they exist.
21:41 asciilifeform likely, somewhere in there is an antifuse that, e.g., switches the workfunction to use sha3, or the like.
21:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the notion of "Strict liability" even being allowed is lulzy.
21:41 mircea_popescu any matter with strict liability straight to jury nullification.
21:41 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it was originally limited to, iirc, traffic offenses.
21:41 mircea_popescu you want laws enforced, put some work into making them make sense.
21:42 asciilifeform jury nullification is, contrary to popular belief, not really a thing in usa. not in the sense that it is impossible - it is certainly possible, on paper. but in practice verdict (in criminal cases) must be unanimous, and it never happens.
21:42 asciilifeform ever.
21:42 asciilifeform and if the judge catches a juror actively persuading others to nullify, he can try him for 'contempt'
21:42 mircea_popescu only before deliberation.
21:42 asciilifeform the usual result is what is called 'hung jury'
21:43 mircea_popescu indeed.
21:43 * asciilifeform saw this from inside, personally hung it
21:43 asciilifeform this simply leads to a new trial.
21:43 asciilifeform with fresh meat puppets.
21:43 mircea_popescu ayup.
21:43 mircea_popescu more lulz @ usg expense.
21:43 asciilifeform oh noez the judge might have to work on fridays !
21:43 asciilifeform (true story.)
21:44 mircea_popescu yup.
21:45 danielpbarron at least a hung jury wastes more USG money
21:45 trinque in our "markets" the fetish of wealth, and in our courts and police stations the fetish of power
21:45 trinque what, they don't have enough to do in Baltimore/Ferguson/wherever ?
21:46 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281097 << if a hog fucks a goat in my presence, in the sense that i was in the same country at some point, this does not qualify the resulting hogbeast as "my bastard"
21:46 assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 16:49:58; ascii_field: '%g is the application system, currently %gall (1300 lines) %gall is half process table and half systemd, sort of.' << satan preserve us.
21:46 asciilifeform actually it does not matter at all to usg if a trial is a 'new' one, or rerun of 'hung jury' trial.
21:46 asciilifeform every trial is an exercise of usg power.
21:46 asciilifeform and they are cheap.
21:46 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281100 << dude that's fucking stupid
21:46 assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 16:52:26; ascii_field: to recognize the standard ++dec.' << ahahahahaha.
21:46 asciilifeform and they will deputize 'magistrates' and other faux judge-lite animals
21:46 asciilifeform as needed.
21:47 asciilifeform at minimal cost.
21:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i thought you said these people took math. at some point.
21:47 mircea_popescu you don't accept magistrate judge.
21:47 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that is why it is an exercise of ~conscious~ stupidity. mr mold ~knows~ what he is doing.
21:47 asciilifeform he knows that it is an atrocity.
21:47 mircea_popescu once one gets out of the paper bag of "hiring counsel", one discovers all sorts of little knobs on the papers.
21:48 asciilifeform i expect that fella who 'won't accept' will get some form of... persuasion, in his jail cell, in the form of broken teeth
21:48 asciilifeform until he likes magistrates again.
21:48 mircea_popescu except he doesn't.
21:48 asciilifeform why not ?
21:48 mircea_popescu because he might just as well run the jail like his own personal whorehouse.
21:48 mircea_popescu then da gets some form of persuasion,
21:49 mircea_popescu in the shape of broken teeth.
21:49 mircea_popescu what man does, man does, alfie. always remember.
21:49 asciilifeform why would a fella who can administer broken teeth to the d.a., end up in a jail at any point ?
21:49 mircea_popescu why not ?
21:49 mircea_popescu usg paid for security.
21:49 mircea_popescu usg paid for the whores.
21:49 mircea_popescu let it do what it likes doing.
21:50 asciilifeform i see the point here, i think. the (private) 'crime and punishment museum' in d.c. - the one with the famous electric chairs - has an example of mafia don's cell
21:50 asciilifeform with couches, escritoir, tiffany lamps, etc.
21:50 mircea_popescu the point is drastically more subtler than that.
21:50 mircea_popescu the point is that manhood is not substitutable resource.
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21:50 mircea_popescu in ANY contest of nine year olds, SOME nine year olds
21:50 mircea_popescu ALWAYS succeed, and some always fail.
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21:50 mircea_popescu no schooling, no government job, no friends and no other arrangements can ever change this.
21:51 mircea_popescu some are here to lead and some others are here to follow, it is a given like e is a given.
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21:51 mircea_popescu and da's are not really selected for manhood, not in the us, not these days.
21:53 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281105 << problem with the bezzletron is that words become dirty through their usage. which is why colored coins gotta become bitshares gotta become ripple gotta become ethereum and on and on.
21:53 assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 16:54:58; ascii_field: 'galaxy, star, planet, moon, comet' << glorious. they retired the naval org chart (before that, prior to mr mold selling out to usg, it was feudal titles of nobility - as in my former 'dukedom')
21:54 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281109 << "broadly the difference is that curtis originally didn't understand what this all is, then got called on it by http://trilema.com/2013/stage-n-bitcoin-exists/ then had someone who can actually think explain what's going on to him, then the next day came up with.... wait for it... HIS OWN IDEA OF HOW TO MAKE A BETTER BITCOIN.
21:54 assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 16:57:27; ascii_field: 'Broadly, the design difference between Urbit and a blockchain network is that blockchains are "trust superconductors" - they eliminate any dependency on social, political or economic trust. Urbit is a "trust conductor" - engineered to minimize, but not eliminate, dependencies on trust.'
21:54 assbot Stage n: Bitcoin exists. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MFKNie )
21:54 mircea_popescu becauyse yeah, totally, no "smart in his own mind" schmuck to date has managed to avoid this trap.
21:55 mircea_popescu what "go suck the cock of the people who made the thing that surprised you for a while, because obviously they know and obviously you don't". nonono, HE IS GOING TO HAVE IDEAS.
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21:55 mircea_popescu between stolfi and lew rockwell, a whole fucking massed galaxy of these imbeciles.
21:56 mircea_popescu this, incidentally, is what they mean when they discuss self-love as a sin. this is it. the delusional notion that you're good and valuable as you are will fuck you up every time you run into something that puts your worthless shitpersona in perspective. because you won't be able to go on knees properly for lack of practice.
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21:58 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/117CE64 << is that how it's supposed to look ?
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21:58 assbot dpaste: 117CE64 ... ( http://bit.ly/1LJwhQy )
22:00 phf neat
22:00 mircea_popescu but anyway, i appreciate that they're SO FUCKING PETRIFIED of bitcoin can't even talk of it other than under the SA guise.
22:01 mircea_popescu rly, "blockchain networks", go paint your asshole with lipstick, it's about as obvious.
22:02 mircea_popescu also, it's not exactly clear what the bitcoin per-transaction COSTS are, but it is quite obvious that a) mining is designed to be a ~0% margin activity and has been exactly that without exception through the history and b) the PRICE paid for a block which is usually 1-2k transactions is usually 25ish BTC, which is for simplicity 5k dollars.
22:03 mircea_popescu so their math is correct, it does cost MULTIPLE DOLLARS to properly settle a transaction, via the TRUSTLESS blockchain mechanism.
22:04 mircea_popescu and all the fuckwards derping about bitcoin and africa are more than welcome to explain who in this world exactly needs 2 dollar-fortified transactions to pay for his fucking plastic pocket protector or whatever the shit reddit buys from that one fat chick at the talent fair.
22:04 mircea_popescu these are the sort of schmucks that can't even afford pants to keep their money in.
22:05 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281113 << unavoidable. this is what being a thought leader entails : that EVERYONE ELSE is stuck trying to make your planes out of mud and sticks. for that is what they have and this is what they want.
22:05 assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 16:59:29; ascii_field: i just think it is grimly hilarious how everything we've spoken of here ~will~ be implemented in bastardized usg versions
22:06 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281114 << except i wouldn't hire them if they paid me.
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22:06 assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 16:59:46; ascii_field: because usg has the means to feed full-time programmers, and we do not.
22:06 mircea_popescu so, no. it does not. it has some shit, and it's so confused it doesn't even realise it.
22:08 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281139 << this happens to be true.
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22:08 assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 18:16:12; ascii_field: phun phakt: it is not a proven fact that the difficulty of the rsa problem as such is equivalent to that of factoring.
22:08 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281877 << b0rk3d
22:08 assbot Logged on 22-09-2015 01:58:55; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/117CE64 << is that how it's supposed to look ?
22:10 mircea_popescu and archive dies on http://happut-fopnys.urbit.org/~/on/0v4.fr10a.u9sem.37m45.gtp52.qui8p.json
22:10 mircea_popescu i guess we'll never know.
22:11 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281876 >> http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3185426046243327@naggum.net.html >> 'There is much less intellectual dishonesty among people who aren't smart enough to make up a sufficiently large part of the world that they can live in it, and the bigger part of the world you can create inside your own head, the more important it is that you don't move into your own mind, but keep
22:11 assbot Logged on 22-09-2015 01:56:31; mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is what they mean when they discuss self-love as a sin. this is it. the delusional notion that you're good and valuable as you are will fuck you up every time you run into something that puts your worthless shitpersona in perspective. because you won't be able to go on knees properly for lack of practice.
22:11 assbot Re: Israel Thomas and Marcus G. Daniels and respect for people - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1MFLvMg )
22:11 asciilifeform living in the real world, with its incredibly annoying habit of wrecking _every_ constructed expectation sooner or later.'
22:12 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281891 << mircea_popescu if you have an actual proof, i and 10,001 other people would enjoy reading it.
22:12 assbot Logged on 22-09-2015 02:08:10; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281139 << this happens to be true.
22:13 asciilifeform but afaik no such proof presently is known to exist.
22:13 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281152 << ianae but my reading at the original time (back when i even sponsored development in the then-nascent alt paradigm, see http://trilema.com/2013/so-this-urbit-thing/#selection-35.0-37.0 ) was that they actually had pretty much the same idea as alf, which is to say the old sherlockism : "once you've eliminated all stupid, what you're left weith, however improbable
22:13 assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 18:40:15; ascii_field: not far from the facts though.
22:13 assbot So this Urbit thing... on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LJxM1j )
22:13 mircea_popescu , must be smart".
22:13 mircea_popescu course meanwhile that fizzled.
22:14 mircea_popescu but it's what i had formed in my head in that week or however long the interest lasted.
22:14 asciilifeform it fizzled in 2010 when mr mold decided on 'jets'.
22:14 asciilifeform everything that came after that was nonsense.
22:14 asciilifeform there is no forgiveness for a stupid foundation.
22:14 mircea_popescu well in my defense i wasn't reading it then.
22:14 asciilifeform simply how it works.
22:15 asciilifeform http://moronlab.blogspot.com/2010/01/urbit-functional-programming-from.html?showComment=1263570771214#c6454142774827414532 << i did tell him.
22:15 assbot Moron Lab: Urbit: functional programming from scratch ... ( http://bit.ly/1LJy2gD )
22:16 asciilifeform now if only he'd listened! then he could starve in this ditch with me, instead of bathing in benjies and cocaine in his usg-filled wealthtub
22:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the fact that one is not the same as other is what happens to be true.
22:16 mircea_popescu ie, that it's a conjecture.
22:16 asciilifeform ah then yes!
22:16 mircea_popescu i have no idea how you'd prove that. at all.
22:16 mircea_popescu i expect if ever resolved it'll be like the fermat thing.
22:17 mircea_popescu btw re earlier feather discussion : http://trilema.com/2012/the-crime-of-being-american/ probably ties in.
22:17 assbot The crime of being American on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LJyc7I )
22:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: actually! this proof exists for rabin's pubkey algo!
22:17 asciilifeform go, read.
22:17 mircea_popescu after all, feathers, right ? from like, animals, right ?
22:17 asciilifeform see what such a proof looks like, readily.
22:17 asciilifeform and aha yes, ties in.
22:17 mircea_popescu not what i meant!
22:18 asciilifeform hm?
22:19 mircea_popescu i didn't mean "i should like for someone to show me how math works". i just meant i dunno that there's even a promising direction of research into the matter.
22:19 asciilifeform research - yes, promising (afaik) - no.
22:19 asciilifeform 'spreading on bread works! eating - not yet' (tm) (r) (su)
22:19 mircea_popescu so it'll prolly be resolved, if ever, by a totally unexpected and half nutty formalism
22:20 asciilifeform at the risk of mixed metaphor, the locusts have cleared out the low-hanging fruit, yes.
22:20 mircea_popescu right.
22:21 mircea_popescu btw wiles looks a lot like brin the elder wouldn't you think ?
22:21 asciilifeform i certainly see the resemblance.
22:22 asciilifeform though wiles has a gaunt and somewhat hobo-like flavour to him, from the extant photos
22:22 mircea_popescu mostly the mouth tho
22:24 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281864 , http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281866 << i see in the list 'lead' and 'follow' but where is 'fail' ?
22:24 assbot Logged on 22-09-2015 01:50:38; mircea_popescu: ALWAYS succeed, and some always fail.
22:24 assbot Logged on 22-09-2015 01:51:12; mircea_popescu: some are here to lead and some others are here to follow, it is a given like e is a given.
22:25 mircea_popescu incidentally, i suspect a lot of the mommentum for the entire "oh broken factors" comes from historical accident. it was in point of fact research into elliptic curves that yielded the fermat proof,
22:25 asciilifeform is life of a soldier, for example, a fail ?
22:25 mircea_popescu which has a very "factorization" flavour to it.
22:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform failure is a subjective point.
22:25 mircea_popescu which is why the stupid never fail and the smart never succeed.
22:25 asciilifeform l0l
22:25 asciilifeform i can see it.
22:27 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281155 << an alternative explanation would go like so : a. the value of all things is predicated on lulz and drama, and nothing else. even if we discovered this point with bitcoin, it's really - like all other things we discovered "about bitcoin", a universal property of reality.
22:27 assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 18:48:18; phf: i guess that's why dadaist groups all have long history of denouncement, usually ending with the original founder remaining. otherwise you always have some entrenched fuck proposing a markdown jet, because useful and doesn't hurt and shrug. but when it's the founder itself..
22:27 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281874 << the absolute worst risk category for this kind of disease is to be involved in computing. because there, it is largely ACTUALLY TRUE that everyone is retarded.
22:27 assbot Logged on 22-09-2015 01:55:29; mircea_popescu: what "go suck the cock of the people who made the thing that surprised you for a while, because obviously they know and obviously you don't". nonono, HE IS GOING TO HAVE IDEAS.
22:27 mircea_popescu b. the only people who give a shit about dadaist stuff are involved in it ; c. it's not fucking funny.
22:28 mircea_popescu ergo d. the only way for it to pay bills is through cannibalizing its own membership for the onlyt thing they're good for : butt tears.
22:28 asciilifeform i had to go and actually dig up a fucking lisp machine to figure out why it cannot be 'suck the cock of' and made a base for future work as-is
22:28 asciilifeform for example.
22:28 mircea_popescu this incidentally also goes for socialism, which yes, inasmuch as it's "the political ideology of the stupid" is indistinguishable from applied dadaism.
22:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i can see it.
22:30 asciilifeform likewise, the most egregious retardation is shat forth by one specific consideration - backwards compatibility.
22:30 asciilifeform ergo a rejection of the latter, always strikes the thinking man - and lunatic, alike - as the most enticing possible thing.
22:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's not even my angle. my angle is this : "yes it makes sense for the company YOU PAID MONEY BEFORE to protect your investment IN THEIR SHIT. but you didn't pay me jack, did you ? I WILL BURN IT ON GENERAL PRINCIPLE AND FUCK YOU FOR HAVING PAID THE ENEMY."
22:31 mircea_popescu same result in the end.
22:31 asciilifeform not necessarily same
22:31 mircea_popescu indeed.
22:31 asciilifeform what comes ~after~ depends, at least partly, on ~why~ we burned it.
22:32 asciilifeform if stupid-burned - it will be same old idiocy with different coat of paint.
22:32 mircea_popescu which is how the largest dispute to date we had has been over... fucking compatibility.
22:32 asciilifeform as mr mold's bad re-invention.
22:36 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281888 << wai wat
22:36 assbot Logged on 22-09-2015 02:06:16; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281114 << except i wouldn't hire them if they paid me.
22:36 asciilifeform how's that work
22:36 mircea_popescu if vc comes to me with 20mn on the premise i get to keep 1mn if i spend 10mn hiring these idiots
22:37 mircea_popescu i would not hire the idiots.
22:37 asciilifeform who in his right mind, would ?
22:37 mircea_popescu whosoever proposes they are actually valuable. by the flow of that conversation it seemed that includes you.
22:37 asciilifeform not exactly
22:37 mircea_popescu but if not - greenspun.
22:37 asciilifeform not-having-to-work-dayjob is valuable.
22:37 asciilifeform all else being equal.
22:38 mircea_popescu " But sitting in the parking lot it gave us the appearance of extravagance while inside the building we were living the frugal life--in a world starved for software development talent, it would have been hard to lose money paying MIT-educated programmers $50-85,000 base salaries plus an end-of-year bonus based on accomplishment and the firm's performance."
22:38 mircea_popescu exact quote.
22:38 mircea_popescu allow me to lol.
22:44 mircea_popescu (this, incidentally, is what 30 years did to the us.)
22:44 asciilifeform i might be thick, but - which this ?
22:44 mircea_popescu i wanna meet the guy that DIDNT loise money paying mit-educated anythings 50-85k a year to do whatever they did. which whatever may not include "being acquired" or other purely bezzlematic shenanigans.
22:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform when greenspun wrote that, he wasn't entirely wrong. yet.
22:44 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: actually he wrote this at the heights of the bezzlatronic 'dotcom boom'
22:44 asciilifeform iirc
22:44 mircea_popescu now it's a fucking laughingstock, like declaring it hard to lose money by playing scratch loittery.
22:44 asciilifeform so nothing really changed other than the particular flavour of muppet being bathed in benjies
22:44 mircea_popescu mebbe.
22:44 asciilifeform none of greenspun's cohort was thusly bathed for creating anything like a properly salable product that somebody, somewhere, actually ~wanted~
22:44 asciilifeform it was all acquisition/'exit' games, all the way down.
22:44 asciilifeform or straight ponzi, e.g., yahoo, amazon
22:44 mircea_popescu actually, his own description of arsdigita differs with your estimation.
22:44 mircea_popescu the facts of the matter are that it had a positive cash flow and no investment.
22:44 asciilifeform where did it go ?
22:44 mircea_popescu maybe some wiggle room between these.
22:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it was acquired by greylock and atlantic, who, according to him, fucked it all up.
22:44 asciilifeform 'During the spring of 1999, for example, recruiting 5 hires would earn the employee a Honda S2000. Recruiting 10 employees would net a Ferrari F355. A trophy F355 in bright yellow was kept parked outside of the Prospect Street office in Cambridge to entice employees into recruiting. Later in the summer of 1999, as new management was brought on board, the policy was quietly changed to a lease of the cars, not outright ownership
22:44 asciilifeform .' (pediwik)
22:44 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/arsdigita-greenspun.html << there, read the source for the quote. he meanwhile deleted it from his www but i had a copy.
22:44 assbot ArsDigita: From Start-Up to Bust-Up ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yxiqq4 )
22:44 asciilifeform l0l
22:45 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281185 << heh.
22:45 assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 20:22:11; ascii_field: these are the 'buy light bulbs that mine for usg' log-reader folks aren't they.
22:45 asciilifeform 'We'd paid nearly $1 million in income tax on our profits for calendar year 1999. Not so bad considering that we built everything from a $10,000 investment.' << at the risk of cribbing from obama's 'you didn't make that company', greenspun... did not make that idiot dotcom gold rush!
22:45 asciilifeform without it, quite likely, he would have been nothing.
22:45 asciilifeform but yes, he got to sell the pick axes.
22:45 asciilifeform for a while, anyway.
22:46 mircea_popescu this is not a valid objection.
22:46 mircea_popescu iirc they had some sort of graphical interface bs. there was demand for that in industrial circles quite legitimately
22:46 mircea_popescu iirc he names siemens ?
22:47 asciilifeform the 'web2.0'ism engulfed all
22:47 asciilifeform incl. siemens
22:47 mircea_popescu well of course. but this was calendar 1999
22:47 asciilifeform hell, recall what siemens is most famous for today.
22:47 asciilifeform (stuxnet platform)
22:47 mircea_popescu "cheap apple copy" ?
22:48 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281217 << should appeal to randi the clown and her cohorts.
22:48 assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 20:30:23; ascii_field: 'you can make a profit but you would not do so by making a profit'
22:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: imho the '21' thing is a genuine puzzler.
22:48 mircea_popescu why ?
22:48 asciilifeform aside from outlandish hypothesis like 'hidden usg altcoin miner' - i can hardly think of any logical reason for it to exist.
22:48 asciilifeform but possibly that's just me.
22:49 mircea_popescu how about the neobee "brick and mortar stores" ? could you see a reason for those to exist ?
22:49 mircea_popescu what about "bitcoin atms" ?
22:49 asciilifeform i slept through the neobee thing
22:49 mircea_popescu looky here : vc wants "adoption", and "adoption" means basically trying to hot topic all over something.
22:49 asciilifeform the 'bitcoin atm' at least has some sort of practical lure
22:49 mircea_popescu so they're blockchain technologizing.
22:49 asciilifeform where, then, is the 'consumeratronic' aesthetic ? why no injection-molded case, blinkenlights, touch panel ?
22:49 asciilifeform as with the atm
22:50 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281224 << years ago. never did much for them and quietly discarded.
22:50 assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 20:32:19; thestringpuller: I'm pretty sure ASICminer tried this with the USB miners
22:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you have to understand, the 21 thing is merely a remake of an ancient attempt by the coinbase/foundation scammers. it was called "coinlab".
22:50 mircea_popescu also quietly discarded. like this will be, in a few years.
22:51 asciilifeform yeah but this thing, at least on the surface, is laughably DOA
22:51 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281227 << that can not be right.
22:51 assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 20:33:23; ascii_field: at the upper end of the claimed hash rate, and supposing phree mains current, the thing will mine, at TODAY's difficulty.... 0.0012 btc/day.
22:51 asciilifeform 120 Gh/s?!! srsly?
22:51 mircea_popescu ;;bc,calc 120000
22:51 gribble use the 'gentime' command instead
22:51 mircea_popescu ;;gentime 120000
22:51 gribble The average time to generate a block at 120000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 59335351233.9, is 67 years, 17 weeks, 6 days, 4 hours, 15 minutes, and 47 seconds
22:52 mircea_popescu ;;calc 25 / 67 * 365
22:52 gribble 136.194029851
22:52 mircea_popescu tsk.
22:52 mircea_popescu ;;calc 25 / 67 / 365
22:52 gribble 0.00102228583112
22:52 asciilifeform there we go.
22:52 mircea_popescu quarter a day. how big is it ?
22:52 asciilifeform the gadget ?
22:52 mircea_popescu 120gh/s still need like 50W or so ?
22:53 asciilifeform more like 10W iirc
22:53 asciilifeform (the dev board it is attached to can supply no more)
22:53 mircea_popescu then they're not mining 120gh
22:53 asciilifeform advertised was '50 - 120' iirc
22:53 mircea_popescu im telling you, the numbers aren't aha lol.
22:53 mircea_popescu so you'll get 12.
22:54 asciilifeform but say it is 200, even. still pocket lint.
22:54 mircea_popescu this is more in line with what i had in my head. intel ran numbers came out with 0.0001 not 0.001
22:54 asciilifeform esp. after the halving, difficulty slide, etc
22:54 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: intel was right. my figure assumes a frozen universe
22:54 mircea_popescu there is some appeal to giving a kid a goose that lays a dollar egg each day.
22:54 asciilifeform a $450 egg ?
22:55 mircea_popescu hey, comes right out of their college fund :D
22:55 asciilifeform goose, rather
22:55 mircea_popescu besides, that $450 mud bike thery want is just gonna produce hospital bills.
22:55 mircea_popescu better get the goose.
22:55 mircea_popescu anyway, you'll know if this is their "killer ap" by xmas advertising.
22:56 mircea_popescu if they murder it, that's the plan.
22:56 asciilifeform it would make some elementary sense, even as a scam, if it were not for the exponentially decaying egg mass
22:56 mircea_popescu you clearly never had kids.
22:56 asciilifeform nope.
22:56 mircea_popescu if anything survives five seasons the kid should be taken to doctor.
22:56 mircea_popescu "say doc... why is my boy not breaking all his shit like all the other boys ?!"
22:57 asciilifeform l0lz
22:57 pete_dushenski this '21 math' is all too reminiscent of the very same exercise we did back in may of this year : www.contravex.com/2015/05/15/21-inc-and-comcast-sitting-in-a-tree-d-e-r-p-i-n-g/
22:58 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: same people, same basic idea, but for some reason scaled down
22:58 mircea_popescu actually, im mildly surprised at this very retarded approach. the correct way to do this would be - have intentionately crippled miner. to decripple, kid has to solve puzzles.
22:58 asciilifeform (it was to be a thing in 'every light bulb' and 'every tv set')
22:58 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: the reason being : reality
22:58 mircea_popescu the ultimate puzzle of course being how to flash the damned thing.
22:58 trinque asciilifeform: that was just the advertising to bring in that massive round
22:58 mircea_popescu i'd pay money for that if i had kids in the 9-15 range.
22:59 mircea_popescu trinque was it massive ? didn't they get like 20mn ?
22:59 asciilifeform 200!
22:59 trinque thought it was 120mn
22:59 mircea_popescu a, ok.
22:59 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281243 << dude get out, buy one. what do you think this is, the trezor ?
22:59 assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 20:35:54; ascii_field: if any of you lot have the time and energy, buy one of these things & reverse it
23:00 asciilifeform see thread. the boojum, if there is one, is prolly on the miner die.
23:00 mircea_popescu only indie schmucks deliver things. actually listed companies, be they s.nsa or 21co don't lower themselves to that!
23:00 asciilifeform l0l
23:00 mircea_popescu hehe
23:01 asciilifeform speaking of, last i checked, 'trezor' was still reflashable from the usb jack.
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23:01 pete_dushenski https://bitbet.us/bet/1100/cardano-to-ship-in-2015/
23:01 assbot BitBet - Cardano to Ship in 2015 :: 4.97 B (68%) on Yes, 2.34 B (32%) on No | closing in 2 months 3 weeks | weight: 25`126 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1YxlJxy )
23:01 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281238 << yeah because all those names you named haven't been desperate for revenue in the past decade.
23:01 assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 20:35:29; thestringpuller: and you get paid in BTC for letting people access it!
23:03 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281253 << dun tell me, that keybase thing ?
23:03 assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 20:41:24; ascii_field: apparently they have a bastardized wot as well.
23:03 asciilifeform the really galling thing, to me, re: the 200mil sc4mz0rz, is that for prolly less than half of that, a sane man could build a perfectly serviceable chip fab in the pampas or the like
23:03 mircea_popescu or w/e it was called ?
23:03 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not keybase this time. a fresh one.
23:03 asciilifeform (why?? ask them..)
23:03 mircea_popescu would you stop already ? have you read the vc article ? what "half of that".
23:04 asciilifeform of whatever they paid to have that thing shat out
23:04 mircea_popescu "In the deal, Hooli would invest $200 million for equity while in return the two companies would enter into a business development agreement on the side in which Pied Piper guarantees to spend that money in a massive consumer campaign on Hooli’s ad platform."
23:04 mircea_popescu you understand already ? what 200 million ?
23:04 asciilifeform or is mircea_popescu's argument is that the 200megabux is in 'recyclable real estate bezzle' usd, which, if spent on turkeys, would send shock wave that could topple cities ?
23:04 mircea_popescu this is not a deal in which k is valuing x at y. it is a deal in which X!!! is valuing k at y.
23:05 mircea_popescu contrary to how the book might read, it's not watson or wilson or w/e his name is that's begging.
23:05 mircea_popescu it's the other guy.
23:05 mircea_popescu this is how begging goes, "power men blablabla"
23:05 asciilifeform the guy who needs 200megatonnes of reactor fluid recirculated and laundered ?
23:05 mircea_popescu yeah.
23:05 asciilifeform then yes.
23:06 asciilifeform it would also explain why 'raspberry pi' and naked miner board circa 2012
23:06 mircea_popescu what's leftover out of these deals to actually do thinks is very much reminiscent of what's left of a drone's salary to buy smokes.
23:06 mircea_popescu "bad for you!11"
23:07 * pete_dushenski just imagined predator drone hacking darts. chuckled.
23:07 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281264 << it's altogether dubious whether they'll be able to keep up, even with it preloaded.
23:07 assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 20:43:43; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281194 <<< comes preloaded on sdcard
23:08 mircea_popescu (obviously the actual thing won'd do any sort of useful verification, but for academic arguments' sake)
23:08 asciilifeform easy to 'keep up' when you're headers-only-ing...
23:08 mircea_popescu aha.
23:08 BingoBoingo I honestly think these "Bitcoin Computers" are just 21 having stumbled into the lost cache of those missing BFL mini rigs and discovering they were exactly this.
23:08 asciilifeform i have my doubts that there is anything resembling even a gavinized parody of the blockchain in there, at all
23:08 mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats
23:08 gribble Current Blocks: 375556 | Current Difficulty: 5.933535123386657E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 376991 | Next Difficulty In: 1435 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 2 hours, 58 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
23:09 asciilifeform (incidentally, 67 connexions on zoolag, 28 on bucephalus, both at full height)
23:10 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281279 << dildonics!
23:10 assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 20:48:54; ascii_field: (what commercial chip do you know of that sells as a ~range~ of possible performance ??!!)
23:11 cazalla mircea_popescu, their words, not mine!
23:12 mircea_popescu aha.
23:12 cazalla http://www.wired.com/2015/09/4chan-sold/ nfi how much he got
23:12 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yxo0c2 )
23:13 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281314 <<->> http://trilema.com/2013/digging-through-archives-yields-gold/#selection-113.0-113.416
23:13 assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 21:00:48; ascii_field: 2) siphon the value and ultimately move the nash equilibrium from honest bitcoin to (1)
23:13 assbot Digging through archives yields gold on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yxo4Zk )
23:13 mircea_popescu "Government sponsored enterprises enter the business, in due course bad behavior is made mandatory, and the evil financial network is bigger than the honest financial network, with the result that even though everyone knows what is happening, people continue to use the paper issued by the evil financial network, because of network effects - the big, main issuers, are the issuers you use if you want to do business."
23:13 mircea_popescu etc.
23:13 asciilifeform 'adult supervision', ellen paoization, snippetysnips, in 5,4,3,2....1
23:13 mircea_popescu so yes asciilifeform i would say your understanding is broadly correct
23:13 mircea_popescu the bitch is, this particular space has so far offered and in general promises to offer in the indefinite future tools to feed the little biches their own crows.
23:14 mircea_popescu i confess however that the WHY is nebulous to me at this time, and the how come not much better.
23:14 mircea_popescu but there's something structural at work to do with the meaning of money.
23:16 mircea_popescu https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/G/01/vince/boost/detailpages/21inc6._SR1000,750_.jpg << o hey check out, the idiots haven't exactly learn what the nigger words are in bitcoin.
23:16 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1WeeAjx )
23:16 mircea_popescu good that they paid vin cerf or whoever for a sports endorsement
23:16 mircea_popescu too bad they couldn't afford fiddy cents to find out that "no, don't do that"
23:16 asciilifeform wai wut
23:17 mircea_popescu which part
23:17 cazalla for sake of logs - the 21.co blockchain on an SD card quote is http://dpaste.com/07AQSXN.txt
23:17 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1YxoTl0 )
23:17 asciilifeform 'haven't exactly... what the nigger words'
23:17 mircea_popescu the nigger words are magic words which you shouldn't say unless you're prepared to not be invited for dinner.
23:19 mircea_popescu https://slimgur.com/images/2015/09/21/17c9a4a078351735389d797dcf5b23f6.jpg << does this look like the face of an animal capable of love ?
23:20 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281328 << "soo... are you a lesbian or just fat?"
23:20 assbot Logged on 21-09-2015 21:30:48; phf: i live in the area with apparently "highest number of lesbians after san francisco", so lots and lots and lots plus sized sjw types
23:20 phf mircea_popescu: i don't think dadaism can be applied. the original joke seemed to be that you can pretend like you do art, have all the trappings of artists with no actual art involved, and it was precisely funny as long as a wealthy patron was laughing. it's not funny anymore because the joke was a response to malevich and joice, kind of like "if there's nothing else left to do it, let's just have artists pretend like they are doing art an
23:20 phf d get paid for it", but then repeated ad nauseam as if the original lack of art was art itself by people who have no skills or talents and later gavins, like warhol for general consumption. but it can't be applied, because there's nothing to apply there.
23:21 mircea_popescu say, dja ever read my "what is art" thing ?
23:22 phf yes, and what i got out of it is art is king says art is, which might be a misunderstanding
23:22 phf *what
23:23 mircea_popescu " was precisely funny as long as a wealthy patron was laughing"
23:23 mircea_popescu no more wealthy people, no more art as a possibility, is the proposition.
23:23 phf oh interesting
23:24 mircea_popescu in which sense dadaism is merely behaviour. ie, of the stupid.
23:24 mircea_popescu in this sense indistinguishable from socialism.
23:24 mircea_popescu the behaviour of the stupid in all fields being by definition about the stupid, not contaminated by the fields.
23:25 mircea_popescu (this neatly puts the "all art is activism" thingee in its proper terms, too.)
23:27 mircea_popescu https://i.imgur.com/pe5i8Mb.jpg << you'd think the us would catch up with the arab world in terms of civilisation already and introduce the water jets.
23:27 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1YwvPP6 )
23:28 phf but there were still wealthy patrons then, maybe the exchange was, well, you seem to be running out of money and we're running out of ideas, so let's all just laugh about it, and that'd be that. in my imagination anyway, pre-soviet revolution is roughly when the last patrons were living out their last days
23:28 mircea_popescu (i have never seen a toilet in the arab world, be it poor as fuck rural or not, that didn't have a water jet for your ass.)
23:28 mircea_popescu phf how was stalin (or ceausescu, for whom i have documentary evidence) not a patron ?
23:28 asciilifeform mega-patron.
23:29 asciilifeform nobody alive today is fit to be his boot sole, patron-wise
23:30 mircea_popescu well let's not exaggerate, but, i'd say "there's no way to draw a definition of patron that excludes stalin and still makes any sort of sense".
23:32 mircea_popescu meanwhile, in that same vein : there's no neo-nazi alive today or since the war invented, that would be fit to be stalin's boot sole in neonazism.
23:32 mircea_popescu howabout that one!
23:34 phf there was a line of patrons that all wanted same stuff but improved, fresh ideas rooted in the old ideas, or at least they accepted that as art. stalin did a sharp break with that, so maybe pre-stalin they were last patrons of the same lineage?
23:34 mircea_popescu salon de refuses, like ?
23:35 punkman mircea_popescu: https://i.imgur.com/pe5i8Mb.jpg << you'd think the us would catch up with the arab world in terms of civilisation already and introduce the water jets. << "if you can't afford a shitspoon, public shitspoon will be provided"
23:35 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1YwvPP6 )
23:35 mircea_popescu (the sticking point here, i suspect, is that you believe for whatever reason there's "value" in art. which is at best naive, at socialism bourgeois etc.)
23:36 mircea_popescu punkman no, it's just piped water with a faucet.
23:37 punkman mircea_popescu: no I mean they'll probably make a law that public toilets need to have a shitspoon
23:37 mircea_popescu o god
23:37 mircea_popescu i was not ready for this truth.
23:38 BingoBoingo !b 4
23:38 assbot Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/38F99H4.txt )
23:39 phf why, no. i'm thinking of, say, malevich's kvadrat, joyce's ulysses, bely's leningrad, all essentially as being the final point to a long conversation. the conversation might be valueless, but some wealthy people were watching and periodically clapping. stalin patronises essentially clean slate, in fact aggressively disinterested in the old conversation. but i guess i do see more value in pre-stalin art then i do in stalin's (mostly because
23:39 phf imho the poetry of soviet union was atrocious), so i see pre-stalin as last patrons
23:40 mircea_popescu i am unpersuaded by this thesis.
23:40 mircea_popescu my own private suspicion is that stalin was very deeply conservative, and just didn't get lucky (for the most part) to find someone COMPETENT.
23:40 mircea_popescu like at all.
23:40 mircea_popescu the task would have been to restate the old conversation in proper terms, for a very sweet life.
23:41 mircea_popescu but a) russian speaker who b) was actually a master of this trade and c) actually willing and able to stand on his own did not mostly happen to exist.
23:41 mircea_popescu note that the pope that da vinci had to daily argue with was a very stalinesque figure in his own right.
23:42 phf i think a lot of attempts were about that, like mayakovsky with his riffs on kvadrat theme
23:42 mircea_popescu and they were shit
23:42 mircea_popescu in a most egregiously scandalous manner.
23:44 phf so the idea is that stalin was the patron in that same old tradition, simply by then the point was strongly made and everyone was left speechless.
23:44 phf so stalin went "to fuck with the lot of you"
23:45 mircea_popescu quite exactly.
23:46 mircea_popescu and in my eyes the one to blame in this failure is !stalin.
23:47 phf how so?
23:47 mircea_popescu the only important, redeeming feature of art is that, like woman, will survive everything. in all times and places, its tits must poke out.
23:47 mircea_popescu it's not fuckin science, and it may never be silent.
23:47 phf well, stalin's art was shalamov's kolyma tales, for lack of better
23:47 mircea_popescu lacking that quality, the "artists" are posers.
23:48 mircea_popescu phf !stalin is "not-stalin", right ?
23:48 phf ooh ooh
23:50 mircea_popescu and also, all the "censored" "artists" have no excuse. why the fuck did da vinci EVEN PAINT women, at all ?
23:50 mircea_popescu not like he wanted to.
23:51 mircea_popescu imposed fucking topic by political power, apparently "women are a thing" in their twisted nonsensical view. what's he to do ?
23:51 mircea_popescu paint women, that's what.
23:51 asciilifeform eh day job
23:51 mircea_popescu what, gioconda ?
23:51 asciilifeform aha
23:51 mircea_popescu (it was, but, again - what, gioconda ???)
23:55 phf hmm, i see the point as it applies to mayakovsky. attempted to answer, had some promise, but then chocked. but i guess when it comes down to it, it's not so much that i see intrinsic value in art, it's that i'm claiming that shalamov is art. but then not being a wealthy patron, that's irrelevant. qed?
23:56 mircea_popescu good enough for me, i'll take it :)
23:57 phf heh, what an interesting resolution
23:58 mircea_popescu one of the many atrocities perpetuated by the "derp revolution" is the creation of young men with artistic taste but without a family fortune to inherit.
23:58 asciilifeform wai wut ?!!
23:58 mircea_popescu very similar to "made everyone a little noble, but absent the usual incentives to reproduce - made everyone choose between thinking and having kids"
23:58 asciilifeform these did not exist before ?
23:58 mircea_popescu and also on it goes, "everyone may read and write - so go gitbub"
23:58 mircea_popescu asciilifeform not before the "romantic period" at any rate.
23:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88792 @ 0.00075583 = 67.1117 BTC [+] {5}
23:59 asciilifeform ah hm
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