#trilema | 2015-09-24

ciberaj comments on Whats going on in Venezuela (Economically)? Outsider asking. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NVc5Bv )

00:07

brg444

"The government implemented a system in which you are given only one day of the week to be able to buy and this is decided according to your ID number."

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00:30

OH SHIT https://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/

00:30

BitBet - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination :: 10.02 B (95%) on Yes, 0.58 B (5%) on No | closing in 6 months 2 weeks | weight: 99`980 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KAXLHg )

00:30

yeah.. that's a good one

00:32

Already getting more bettors

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45800 @ 0.00074259 = 34.0106 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29085 @ 0.00075161 = 21.8606 BTC [+] {3}

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01:36

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14515 @ 0.00075577 = 10.97 BTC [+]

01:43

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44671 @ 0.00075463 = 33.7101 BTC [-] {3}

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02:10

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8579 @ 0.00075168 = 6.4487 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14061 @ 0.00074259 = 10.4416 BTC [-]

02:18

<asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: one example of something which Must Die is 'subkeys' << absolutely. i have no fucking idea what chickenbrain thought that's a thing. "o hey, you know what this chevy is made out of ? chevys! because they didn;'t get me that lego set when i was nine and now im fucked in the head."

02:18

it's up there with the fucking PICTURE.

02:18

shoot anyone who ever put a fucking pic in their god damned comment field.

02:18

i mean, a blob i can see, for whatever crazy purposes. but an actual fucking picture ? with like a dog and a dumbass hat too ? shoot the fucker.

02:19

http://i.imgur.com/i1u3sqq.gif hashtag selfie

02:19

... ( http://bit.ly/1ixO1am )

02:22

at first i thought she's tied up to that thing

02:24

<asciilifeform> the other major atrocity is the fingerprint (yes). << im noit so sure. hash functions are fixed length output.

02:27

<asciilifeform> in other nyooz, 73 connexions on zoolag, 41 - on bucephalus. << i see 64. not really a big deal there.

02:28

venezuela is one step ahead of argentina on the path of being the future of the united states.

02:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.00075305 = 21.5372 BTC [+]

02:33

but anyway, sure, if anyone's looking to buy she-meat, in this side of the world, fine place to do it.

02:36

i imagine that is like buying a car mircea_popescu

02:36

more like buying a mule.

02:37

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXEI5LoE8AA

02:37

So You Want to Buy a Mule? - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1L7Btn1 )

02:39

(mostly quoted for the part where the guy says you can tell the animal's disposition by its coat color.)

02:40

white ones are higher maintenance too

02:44

eh, higher. what's it, 6% ?

02:44

if you're that squeezed for margin you don't belong there anyway.

02:44

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40450 @ 0.00074187 = 30.0086 BTC [-] {3}

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03:06

incidentally mod6 , i'm seeing just about 1.2g memory footprint. how about yours ?

03:17

mircea_popescu, can't be many here who would be in the position to buy em anyway

03:18

kinda need an arizona or i guess australia ranch for that.

03:18

mule's kinda no good outside of scrub brush.

03:22

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00075305 = 2.2968 BTC [+]

03:35

https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3m3zfu/why_is_cppethereum_now_calling_their_projects/ << ethereum derps wanna misrepresent themselves as "Web 3.0", because yeah, totally, that's something you wanna be after the shocking failure of web 2.0 and the trail of black eyes it left behind. o reilly turned a publishing powerhouse into a vanity press stuck churning the memoirs of ex boxers, Derp-on Derpopo-lous and Br

03:35

Why is cpp-ethereum now calling their projects webthree? : ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1VbQiUY )

03:35

ette Fiddler by betting on web 2.0 so why would any sane team with a good strategist not jump right into that toxic sludge pool!

03:36

and of course create a ton of confusion downstream because hey, why the fuck not be as weird as Mr. W.T.F Osstrich here : http://cointelegraph.com/storage/uploads/view/659f9790a30cc72738a89b2f5fa59297.jpg

03:36

... ( http://bit.ly/1VbQrb2 )

03:36

i hope whoever's in charge of this got paid for being this fucking stupid, it just wouldn't do any other way.

03:37

buncha fucken farm hands and colored pest control professionals mistaking themselves for white men in suits, for a pinata of ridiculous the likes of which.

03:40

im starting to inkle towards understanding what prussian school officers must have felt and thought meeting the russians "on the field" cca 1916, in the sense that if they chased fast enough they could sorta get within a hundred leagues of the revolutionary committee organised "military units" running away from the front.

03:40

"an army of the people!!11"

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http://i.imgur.com/4IlW6E2.jpg 80085

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... ( http://bit.ly/1VbRgke )

03:46

80085 wuts ?

03:47

boobs

03:47

i only see two!

03:48

anyway, who's the girl ? dja know 'er ?

03:49

hmm google says "Velma chan"

03:50

lol bitpay's "free forever" nonsense lasted almost about a whole year.

03:51

and they STILL haven't got the fucking lesson of Natalie, or a first inkling about how to communicate.

03:52

http://i.imgur.com/Z7SOa1U.jpg and backside

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... ( http://bit.ly/1VbRY0K )

03:52

;;isup archive.is

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gribble

archive.is is up

03:53

i dun think so. all it got up is a linein, img src="http://www.henley-putnam.edu/Portals/_default/Skins/henley/images/loading.gif"

03:53

"Accredited Online University, Counter Terrorism Training"

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which... whatevs.

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works here

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maybe i'm special.

03:55

http://dpaste.com/2A0ZWZ2 << is that their ga code punkman ?

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dpaste: 2A0ZWZ2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1iNtTli )

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ah on the last bit.ly link, yeah I get that too

03:57

does it even archive direct image links?

03:57

i get that on the root.

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I get the usual page on archive.is root, weird

04:10

are you seeing 128.199.255.85 or a diff server ?

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139.162.197.127 if I ping it

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nope al;so dun work.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53000 @ 0.00074169 = 39.3096 BTC [-] {3}

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apparently these are popping up in australia, remote area no less (Eurora, VIC - which is like 3 hours from Melbourne) yet i've never even seen on the road http://i.imgur.com/F89Wi8C.jpg

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... ( http://bit.ly/1iNwbAL )

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never seen one as in never seen a tesla irl

04:33

you kinda have to have the powerstations before you can really sell the cars i think

04:36

apparently they're being installed along the hume highway which is a highway around 1000km in length which connects sydney<->melbourne as well as a bunch of rural towns together, but from what i've read, you'd have to stop every 200-250 km to recharge this car for 45m, meaning the trip takes an extra 3 hours.. keeping in mind my piece of shit car does 750km of that trip on one tank

04:37

bonjour messieurs dames

04:37

australia sounds like one of the worst fits for electric cars

04:38

well... they could put cells on the roof... prolly help a lot.

04:38

one of the first things I was told when arriving in melbourne was

04:38

"don't like the weather? wait half an hour"

04:38

"if she's not blonde she prolly has aids" ?

04:38

oh.

04:38

kek

04:39

davout, yeah melbourne is a bit like that.. 4 seasons in one day is the saying

04:42

voted world's most livable city but really, the food is shit, the people are shit, the architexture is shit, the weather is shit, the soil is shit, the housing is shit stacked upon shit, the traffic is even shittier, it's shit

04:43

obviously, nfi who votes for such rigged polls in the first place

04:44

cazalla: you guys do have good weed

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though :D

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well i wouldn't know anything of the sort but last i heard, it was all asians growing hydro

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i agree on the food though

04:47

although you can always go to nimbim for mardigrass, lovely girls and all that http://tonylpartridge.com/2015/nimbin-mardigrass-2015/

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Nimbin MardiGrass 2015 | Tony Partridge Photography ... ( http://bit.ly/1iNxH65 )

04:48

i stayed with an audtralian roommate, he was amazed that i actually cooked

04:48

as in anything different than "open package, shove in mouth"

04:49

[Trilema] Time to rehash that old strategic superiority discussion. - http://trilema.com/2015/time-to-rehash-that-old-strategic-superiority-discussion/

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05:05

deedbot- only does trilema.

05:05

?

05:13

davout, it does all the feeds now

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punkman: hm, dropped mine apparently, last X.EUR statement didn't make it <<< trinque

05:24

cazalla all those chicks are dressed ?

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provided they're not actually skinny guys...

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seen better pics before, just can't remember where

05:25

and fucking google thinks i'm searching for mardi gras

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here ya go lol http://hermetic.blog.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/00/01/39/97/1399780/files/nimbin-mardi-grass/ganga-faerie-elders.jpg

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... ( http://bit.ly/1OvSEiy )

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can't unsee

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courtesy of google

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seems australian alright.

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who else paints their snatch dogvomit green

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i'd be tempted to ask "who paints their snatch in the first place"

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well... they shave it, they butter it... might as well.

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butter ?

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well yeah ?

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fanny doesn't shea butter ?

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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Préparation_du_beurre_de_Karité_-_Mali.jpeg

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501 Not Implemented ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvT08V )

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heh, i was mentally picturing this -> http://www.avosassiettes.fr/img/le_beurre_aux_cristaux_de_sel_de_guerande_paysan_breton_pack.jpg

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... ( http://bit.ly/1OvT1JV )

05:36

anyway, buy her a chunk see what happens. stop keeping the poor girl in the basement of medieval scarcity culture!!1

05:36

sounds like a plan

05:38

anyone seen black mass yet?

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nope, what is it ?

05:39

johnny depp as whitey bulger

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released last week, so i was tempted to actually go to the cinema, but of course.. not released in australia until next month

05:44

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27962 @ 0.00074283 = 20.771 BTC [+]

05:45

australia is where they try out the nutty coercion schemes, not the entertainment.

05:45

i hear the same things from asciilifeform

05:51

seems to be something has changed down under over the past 25 years but i can never be sure if actually has always been this way and this 25 years bullshit is just the process of growing from a child to an adult

05:51

i'm mostly following his theory :p

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Holy shit punkman, nice assets to wake up to >>> 03:52 +punkman

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http://i.imgur.com/Z7SOa1U.jpg and backside

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... ( http://bit.ly/1VbRY0K )

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http://freakoutnation.com/2015/09/oath-keepers-member-were-sending-armed-militia-to-arrest-lawmakers-and-obama-for-treason/

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Oath Keepers Member: We’re Sending Armed Militia To Arrest Lawmakers And Obama ‘For Treason’ | FreakOutNation ... ( http://bit.ly/1LPyXfJ )

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[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b7

06:48

nice /r/buttcoin find https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/3m0y75/daily_discussion_wednesday_september_23_2015/cvbzto8

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zanetackett comments on [Daily Discussion] Wednesday, September 23, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1L7Wm1k )

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bitfinex's "updated calculation is more accurate thus removing the large variance in accuracy"

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one doesn't just make that up

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nb.

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lol buttfinex still pretending ?

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it does have entertainment value

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 262950 @ 0.00075313 = 198.0355 BTC [+] {10}

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284191 <-- in related news "happy birthday" became officially not owned by evil. Not that any gcj user cares about that kind of "official" anyway.

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Logged on 24-09-2015 00:45:54; BingoBoingo: Java not only sucks, it is owned by evil

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284308 <-- not for me either. Keep AMA and FDA "medicine" far away from me please. I'll do whatever it takes to prove I'm not eligible.

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Logged on 24-09-2015 01:32:26; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: medicaid is for everyone. It just isn't for you... yet

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284333 <-- There is always an "enabler".

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Logged on 24-09-2015 01:41:43; mircea_popescu: so how do the fatties survive ?

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284439 <-- I had a dream y'all released a stack of 10 fresh coins

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Logged on 24-09-2015 02:09:11; mike_c: BingoBoingo: i don't know about safety net, we couldn't even protect altcoin

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69852 @ 0.00074266 = 51.8763 BTC [-] {3}

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what, like pigeons from the hagia sofia ?

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31403 @ 0.00073981 = 23.2323 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71100 @ 0.00073981 = 52.6005 BTC [-]

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http://i.imgur.com/7jN9ige.jpg

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... ( http://bit.ly/1YD6cMz )

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http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1443090849

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Junta Readies ‘Great Firewall of Thailand’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1YD6mDJ )

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http://edition.cnn.com/2015/09/24/middleeast/stampede-hajj-pilgrimage/

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Stampede kills hundreds at Hajj pilgrimage near Mecca - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1YD6AKZ )

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cranes fall, fire, now stampede.

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though the stampede is kinda traditional

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locust next

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https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2430080/ieee-2014-counterfeit-integrated-circuits-a.pdf

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... ( http://bit.ly/1YD79EC )

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78950 @ 0.00073975 = 58.4033 BTC [-] {4}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61023 @ 0.00073855 = 45.0685 BTC [-] {4}

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https://i.imgur.com/xTTVeOb.jpg <<< hue, golden

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... ( http://bit.ly/1YD9fEy )

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"The best thing since the moth I ate yesterday"

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00074018 = 8.4381 BTC [+]

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all about the title: https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/21-bitcoin-computer-centralize-bitcoin/

09:45

Could The 21 Bitcoin Computer Centralize Bitcoin? - CCN: Financial Bitcoin & Cryptocurrency News ... ( http://bit.ly/1je2DMv )

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raspi + 3D printed case! they'll sell at least 100 of them, so that's around $1.2 million a piece to pay back the VCs. i am waiting for the « toasters » tho.

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http://blogs.ocweekly.com/heardmentality/vaporware07.jpg

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... ( http://bit.ly/1je3UTT )

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lol

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80100 @ 0.00073622 = 58.9712 BTC [-] {4}

09:54

;;later tell brg444 glad you make it here :)

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gribble

The operation succeeded.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76050 @ 0.00074069 = 56.3295 BTC [+] {3}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13543 @ 0.0007407 = 10.0313 BTC [+]

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284625 << aha. but ever notice that it's sha1, and can't be changed to anything else? and, likewise, self-sigs are hardcoded to use sha1? it is pestilentially pervasive in the rfc, and Must Die

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Logged on 24-09-2015 06:24:52; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the other major atrocity is the fingerprint (yes). << im noit so sure. hash functions are fixed length output.

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if the protocol had been designed by sane people, ALL SIGNATURES WOULD HAVE SAME FORMAT regardless of for what the signature is - for a file, or for the key itself, whatever

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and ideally one could specify the hash in a manner similar to bitcoin's scripts, rather than a hardcoded list of algos.

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284619 << i have yet to encounter an actual person who used this feature.

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Logged on 24-09-2015 06:18:18; mircea_popescu: it's up there with the fucking PICTURE.

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284688 << nope. run the numbers.

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Logged on 24-09-2015 08:38:06; mircea_popescu: well... they could put cells on the roof... prolly help a lot.

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(a panel which fits on a passenger car roof - let's even assume one on the hood, as well - would be lucky to pick up 200W at high noon on a cloudless day.)

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tesla should make much more than 200km at once on highway.. but i can imagine airconditioning on full blast is needed, too

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don't forget the stereo.

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(a solar panel would just suffice to run the stereo...)

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lol 200w stereo? with vacuum tubes?

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shinohai solves energy issues by using a steam turbine powered by tears of redditards forced to read #bitcoin-assets logs ....

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shinohai: burn their hopes and dreams directly, you'll get a better yield

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or farts

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hue

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thank you jurov

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http://fr.anco.is/2015/paymium-releases-a-remittance-protocol-rfc/ <<< comments welcome

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Paymium releases a remittance protocol RFC | fr.anco.is ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxh7QF )

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Nice davout :D

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is the RFC confidentially public?

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(see first page)

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reminded me of the MP license :D

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speaking of him, surely you have cleartext version... << davout

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jurov: of the RFC? no

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the idea is mainly to document stuff that's pretty obvious in order for the coinbase et al. derps to be unable to later claim invenshuns

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and we had it in a drawer anyway, so might as well publish

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I loathe coinbase so 3 cheers to davout

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so you don't actually implement it?

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jurov: of course the idea is to actually implement it

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but to do that you need another liquidity source on the other end of the tunnel

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well then.. why explicitly rely on HTTP(S)?

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it would work fine with gpg mpex-style

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http://www.infoblizzard.com/the-blog-smog/harvard-employee-accused-of-spending-80k-of-the-universitys-money-to-buy-legos-and-ipads

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Harvard employee accused of spending $80k of the university's money to buy Legos and iPads - infoBlizzard ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxia2V )

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that also implements it, so publishing the RFC also communicates that serious liquidity sources are welcome to knock on our door

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jurov: where does it say https?

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the oauth thing?

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it says "POST method" which is HTTP-only thing

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and yes, with GPG the oauth is unnecessary

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ah yeah, http APIs are assumed

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you're probably right it's not really necessary

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if you leave comments on the blog post i'll compile them all in the next version

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jurov: ^

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Oo http://taler.net/

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... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxiyi8 )

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hdbuck: yeah, i saw this one on /r/buttcoin

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it's not very new, and obviously completely braindamaged

11:43

davout french made ;)

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yep

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http://grothoff.org/christian/ > niggers.txt

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Christian Grothoff ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxje78 )

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and that'll be it

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hdbuck: there's a taler thread in the logs, with predictable conclusions

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phf thx, predictable conclusions indeed

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davout | punkman: hm, dropped mine apparently, last X.EUR statement didn't make it <<< trinque << http://deedbot.org/deed-375472-1.txt ?

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... ( http://bit.ly/1KxjJhk )

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trinque: don't see it in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015

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#bitcoin-assets log ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxk6Zp )

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the deedbotting was me manually feeding it here http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1280994, i'm referring to blog feed not being reflected, am i missing something ?

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Logged on 21-09-2015 13:52:40; davout: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3WZ461M.txt

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.0007407 = 4.0368 BTC [+]

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davout: oh gimmeh teh rss

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it used to werk!1

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what a world

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trinque looks at log

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deedbot-: feeds

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Feeds:

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1. http://trilema.com/feed/rss/

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2. http://qntra.net/feed/

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3. http://www.contravex.com/feed/rss

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4. http://nosuchlabs.com/rss

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5. https://bitbet.us/rss/betsbetsbig/

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davout: you sure that wasn't scoopbot before?

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um.. looks like explo.yt fell out, too?

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dunno if it was scoopbot

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trinque: no, i'm not sure, imma fish the logs to double check

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gimmeh teh rssessss!

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I didn't get the list from scoopy

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http://explo.yt/feed/rss2

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serialized delusions ... ( http://bit.ly/1YDz4ED )

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deedbot-: feed add http://explo.yt/feed/rss2

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serialized delusions ... ( http://bit.ly/1YDz4ED )

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trinque: you're right, deedbot- never had it

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deedbot-: feeds add http://explo.yt/feed/rss2

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serialized delusions ... ( http://bit.ly/1YDz4ED )

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http://explo.yt/feed/rss2 added.

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barf of 5 posts incoming

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deedbot-: feeds add http://fr.anco.is/feed/

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fr.anco.is ... ( http://bit.ly/1YDzg6K )

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deedbot-: feeds add http://fr.anco.is/feed/

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fr.anco.is ... ( http://bit.ly/1YDzg6K )

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http://fr.anco.is/feed/ added.

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nice-u

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[serialized delusions] F.MPIF March 2015 trading statement - http://explo.yt/post/2015/04/01/F.MPIF-March-2015-trading-statement

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[serialized delusions] F.MPIF April 2015 trading statement - http://explo.yt/post/2015/05/02/F.MPIF-April-2015-trading-statement

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[serialized delusions] F.MPIF May 2015 trading statement - http://explo.yt/post/2015/06/01/F.MPIF-May-2015-trading-statement

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[serialized delusions] Eulora 0.1.0 for Windows - http://explo.yt/post/2015/06/05/Eulora-for-Windows

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[serialized delusions] F.MPIF June 2015 trading statement - http://explo.yt/post/2015/07/01/F.MPIF-June-2015-trading-statement

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[serialized delusions] F.MPIF July 2015 trading statement - http://explo.yt/post/2015/08/02/F.MPIF-July-2015-trading-statement

12:09

[fr.anco.is] X.EUR June 16th statement - http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-june-16th-statement/

12:09

[fr.anco.is] X.EUR July 16th statement - http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-july-16th-statement/

12:09

[fr.anco.is] X.EUR August 16th statement - http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-august-16th-statement/

12:09

[fr.anco.is] X.EUR September 21st statement - http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-september-21st-statement/

12:09

[fr.anco.is] Socialisme ordinaire - http://fr.anco.is/2015/socialisme-ordinaire/

12:09

[fr.anco.is] Paymium releases a remittance protocol RFC - http://fr.anco.is/2015/paymium-releases-a-remittance-protocol-rfc/

12:09

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10601 @ 0.00073518 = 7.7936 BTC [-]

12:09

it should ignore old entries...

12:10

I'm not spending the amount of time necessary farting around with an rss module

12:10

it does that once, and now you know what it missed :p

12:10

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37999 @ 0.00073436 = 27.9049 BTC [-] {3}

12:13

jurov: tyvm for the comments

12:23

trinque: http://www.btcalpha.com/feed/ it's not dead, i swear

12:23

Btc Alpha Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxn9kh )

12:24

deedbot-: feeds add http://www.btcalpha.com/feed/

12:24

Btc Alpha Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxn9kh )

12:25

what, it doesn't check for l1 and allow? ;)

12:26

!up ascii_field

12:27

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284828 << 'quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi' (TM)

12:27

Logged on 24-09-2015 15:32:28; shinohai: http://www.infoblizzard.com/the-blog-smog/harvard-employee-accused-of-spending-80k-of-the-universitys-money-to-buy-legos-and-ipads

12:28

^ 'lego' seems like an odd choice of luxury for an embezzler. it is a children's toy. little blocks that snap together. we had'em, cloned, nameless, in the su world

12:29

ascii_field: you have seen how much they ask for the original?

12:29

not in recent years

12:29

deedbot-: feeds add http://www.btcalpha.com/feed/

12:29

Btc Alpha Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxn9kh )

12:29

http://www.btcalpha.com/feed/ added.

12:30

http://www.amazon.com/LEGO-Duplo-My-First-Set/dp/B000SI9Y6A/ref=sr_1_3?s=toys-and-games&ie=UTF8&qid=1443112199&sr=1-3&keywords=first+lego+set

12:30

Amazon.com: LEGO Duplo My First Set (5416): Toys & Games ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxnIKZ )

12:30

[Btc Alpha Blog] Why is Bitcoin Crashing?! - http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/why-is-bitcoin-crashing/

12:30

[Btc Alpha Blog] A New Spin on Parimutuel Wagering - http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/a-new-spin-on-parimutuel-wagering/

12:30

[Btc Alpha Blog] Hot Slanted Bets - http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/hot-slanted-bets/

12:30

[Btc Alpha Blog] Get Your Bitcoin News Widget - http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/get-your-bitcoin-news-widget/

12:30

[Btc Alpha Blog] How much is a share of S.QNTR worth? - http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/how-much-is-a-share-of-sqntr-worth/

12:30

[Btc Alpha Blog] Explore the Web of Trust - http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2015/explore-the-web-of-trust/

12:30

^ just a gateway drug of 33 pcs

12:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65650 @ 0.00073317 = 48.1326 BTC [-] {4}

12:32

trinque: grazie

12:33

yw

12:33

[BitBet Bets Bets] 5.37074690 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b9

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13:15

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5791 @ 0.00073829 = 4.2754 BTC [+]

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13:50

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59271 @ 0.00073316 = 43.4551 BTC [-] {2}

13:51

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32929 @ 0.00073274 = 24.1284 BTC [-] {2}

14:01

14:01

DSLinux - Linux for the Nintendo DS ... ( http://bit.ly/1jeKnTl )

14:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49050 @ 0.00073829 = 36.2131 BTC [+]

14:06

lel https://www.mattcutts.com/blog/google-contributor/

14:06

Give Google Contributor a try ... ( http://bit.ly/1jeLiDk )

14:20

!up ascii_field

14:25

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.0007325 = 25.784 BTC [-] {3}

14:25

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284937 << masochism

14:25

Logged on 24-09-2015 18:01:09; shinohai: http://dslinux.org/

14:25

wtf is the point

14:26

maybe easier to port emulators?

14:27

why would you port to ~that~

14:27

not sure realy, for a playthng or hobby i guess

14:27

whole thing smacks of the proverbial 'netbsd on dead squirrel in shoebox'

14:28

haha

14:28

Kinda like pogo

14:29

height 324217

14:29

mno

14:29

pogo is something quite like an actual computer

14:29

and is cheap

14:29

the nintendo is the exact opposite.

14:29

but i can't do anything with it much yet :/

14:30

Makes a nice irc server :D

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14:49

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98250 @ 0.00073227 = 71.9455 BTC [-] {3}

~ 16 minutes ~

15:06

Has anyone here read this guy? http://askepticalhuman.blogspot.com/2015/09/can-robots-be-conscious-if-so-how-could.html

15:06

A Skeptical Human: Can Robots Be Conscious? If So, How Could We Tell That They Are? ... ( http://bit.ly/1R3wYso )

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15:26

is the foundation client known to be slower syncing than the phoundation client?

15:27

or the opposite?

15:27

gernika: it does throw away blocks arriving out of order

15:30

Friend is claiming he can do a full sync in 6-8 hours using the phoundation client (non-ssd), while it took my OpenBSD box 3 weeks using eatblock. Not sure what I'm doing wrong.

15:33

gernika how much ram did you have?

15:35

gernika: The Phundnation client does something now called "headers first" which doesn't really verify much of anything

15:36

jurov: This account is allocated 2gb - seems to be using about 1.4GB

15:43

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/23/us-russia-mosque-idUSKCN0RN1UD20150923 << whether intentional or not (where 'not' seems the most dangerous case) it seems the USA has has started a number of fires near enough Russia for them to feel the heat

15:43

Putin opens Moscow's largest mosque, warns against extremists| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pyr7uf )

15:44

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/24/us-mideast-crisis-russia-airstrikes-idUSKCN0RO01320150924

15:44

Putin plans air strikes in Syria if no U.S. deal reached: Bloomberg| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pyrchv )

15:47

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/23/us-usa-nuclear-germany-russia-idUSKCN0RN12920150923

15:47

Russia may put missiles in Kaliningrad if U.S. upgrades nuclear arms in Germany: Interfax| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1FiNUKk )

15:47

another lovely day in US-Russian relations

15:55

:D

15:58

kakobrekla: how do you feel about adding an Access-Control-Allow-Origin: * to w.b-a.link?

16:01

why do you need that?

16:01

Cross origin ajax request

16:02

I was going to add an ajax search of the user page to the 'not found' btcalpha wot nick search page

16:02

would rather not do it server-side to reduce dependencies

16:05

try if works

16:05

it does, thanks

16:05

np

16:12

https://isocpp.org/blog/2015/09/bjarne-stroustrup-announces-cpp-core-guidelines

16:12

Bjarne Stroustrup announces C++ Core Guidelines : Standard C++ ... ( http://bit.ly/1FiSPuR )

16:23

mircea_popescu: wot user does a live search now if user isn't found, and/or provides a handy link for the JS-handicapped among us. http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/FooBar/

16:23

WoT User Not Found - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1FiU7G6 )

16:23

thx to kako for rapid server change.

16:25

o good job

16:32

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/09/24/almost-10000-syrians-have-registered-to-live-in-a-country-that-might-not-exist/

16:32

Almost 10,000 Syrians have registered to live in a country that might not exist - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxKnH3 )

16:32

liberland lives!!!

16:37

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57267 @ 0.00073902 = 42.3215 BTC [+] {3}

~ 17 minutes ~

16:54

[Qntra] India Imposes and US Considers Tariffs on Hot Rolled Steel - http://qntra.net/2015/09/india-imposes-and-us-considers-tariffs-on-hot-rolled-steel/

17:02

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47700 @ 0.00073679 = 35.1449 BTC [-]

~ 15 minutes ~

17:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50600 @ 0.00073367 = 37.1237 BTC [-] {6}

17:22

[Qntra] Eyewitness: People Walking Out of BitPay Office in Tears - http://qntra.net/2015/09/eyewitness-people-walking-out-of-bitpay-office-in-tears/

17:25

I was hoping for a photo :(

17:26

punkman: Some may be coming

17:26

Wanted to commit the report to the textual record as soon as possible

17:27

Pierre_Rochard

sad day, could’ve been a great business…

17:27

Because like CoinDesk is going to have a friend in Atlanta walk by the BitPay offices to take in the rumoured slaughte

17:27

Pierre_Rochard: It really is

17:28

BitPay is/was the non-retarded retail alternative to CoinBase

17:28

Pierre_Rochard

from the public info I read, they’ll continue with a skeleton crew, could make a turnaround if there’s a bubble soon :/

17:29

AH

17:29

ascii_field, mircea_popescu, et al: i've been experimenting with idea of trusted nodes in bitcoind. so far: address has levels of trust, ultimate, trusted and untrusted. adding an address with -connect gives it ultimate trust, with -addnode makes it trusted, otherwise (reported by other nodes, random connections, etc.) are untrusted. nodes have the same level of trust as their addresses. trusted nodes (i.e. both t. and ultimate) are allowed

↖ ↖

17:29

to misbehave, idle however long and send data as large as they want. what's not implemented: prioritizing trusted nodes over others during node selection: you might still lose connection by natural means, in which case -addnode nodes will be dropped, and a standard node selection mechanism is used. the patch so far is here http://paste.lisp.org/display/155710. i'm thinking that ultimate vs. trusted distinction might be unnecessary. i would

17:29

... ( http://bit.ly/1KxQWcH )

17:29

appreciate any comments on the subject.

17:35

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00074068 = 19.7762 BTC [+] {3}

17:35

phf if you recall alf had some kind of middleman problem.. and this won't help

17:35

!up StringMiller

17:36

!up RH311ish

17:37

jurov: this is in reference to this conversation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2015#1256535

17:37

Logged on 30-08-2015 15:45:26; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu (corrected) dulap still behind; i had a thought that the very possibility of this problem is an atrocious idiocy - why should an infrastructural node (so0opernoude!!!) rely on the whims of wild animals to learn latest blocks? we need the 'nobles'-never-disconnect table.

17:39

one way it might help with ascii's problem specifically though is that your client will patiently wait for ascii's node, even though there might be periods of time where it would otherwise be completely unresponsive.

17:43

!up ascii_field

17:43

-connect based nodes in large avoid this problems because there's a mainloop that keeps adding same -connect supplied addresses over and over again, so even if elsewhere it's decided to drop the node, it'll be added and reconnected again on the next iteration. never the less a connect node can still be banned for misbehaving, which is something that his patch prevents from happening

17:44

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1285009 << trust without public key authentication of ENTIRE transmission is a waste of time !!

17:44

Logged on 24-09-2015 21:29:38; phf: ascii_field, mircea_popescu, et al: i've been experimenting with idea of trusted nodes in bitcoind. so far: address has levels of trust, ultimate, trusted and untrusted. adding an address with -connect gives it ultimate trust, with -addnode makes it trusted, otherwise (reported by other nodes, random connections, etc.) are untrusted. nodes have the same level of trust as their addresses. trusted nodes (i.e. bot

17:44

will say this again, 'trusting' ip p.q.r.s is IDIOCY

17:44

usg can and DOES mitm transmissions.

17:45

you could make bans on "trusted" nodes expire sooner

17:45

waste of time.

17:47

punkman: that specific loop can be closed much easier by checking for -connect during misbehave report and bailing

17:47

phf: all this will do is that you will waste cpu cycles on peers who are getting packetdropped by usg

17:48

(all of the mitm against my nodes has taken the form of vaguely plausibly-deniable packet dropping and delay)

17:48

strategic, incidentally, in that it did not trigger 'misbehave' listing on my end

17:50

misbehave is only triggered when counterparty sends malformed, but still recognisable packets, so that would be a much more noticeable attack

17:51

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284966 << headers-only sync is not sync. the phoundation client is not a bitcoin implementation and hasn't been for ages. on the other hand, a box that takes 3 weeks to sync FROM EATBLOCK ON DISK has something seriously wrong with it.

17:51

Logged on 24-09-2015 19:30:42; gernika: Friend is claiming he can do a full sync in 6-8 hours using the phoundation client (non-ssd), while it took my OpenBSD box 3 weeks using eatblock. Not sure what I'm doing wrong.

17:51

get a real computer somewhere ?

17:52

where's packet dropping and delay results in a no-consequences disconnect, similar to that "no activity in first 60 seconds"

17:52

aha

17:52

and, importantly, wasted time

17:52

as no useful activity can take place while this hangs

17:52

because the whole thing was written by the profoundly retarded

17:54

well, the patch gives special status to ips that were explicitly provided. if you're being mitm'd, your only recourse is operator intervention, the goal of the patch was to ensure that your recourse does not automatically become "use random shmoe"

17:55

the correct recourse is crypto.

17:55

and for 'trusted' peers, in the above sense, to be ones where all comms in both directions are authenticated.

17:55

as in rsa-signed.

17:57

!uo i-dont-know2

17:57

!up i-dont-know2

17:57

mircea_popescu once alluded to a dirty ad-hoc implementation of this by chinese operators, where nodes had vpn links to one another

17:57

ascii_field Thought it was real - 32 GB ecc ram, opteron 4226.

17:57

but that is not an adult answer.

17:58

gernika: and you were syncing from what?

17:58

as in, where did the blocks fed to 'eatblock' come from ?

17:59

both yours and mp's nodes.

17:59

in real time ?

17:59

i am asking ~specifically~ how the thing was put together

18:00

the correct way to use eatblock is with dumpblock coming from an already synced LOCAL node.

18:00

this does NOT take 3 weeks on my hardware.

18:00

more like 3 days.

18:02

Right. So I made it to 368xxx and got stuck on the large block syncing from one of your nodes over the network. I then (probably) had a bad shutdown and corrupted the db. I then used eatblock to sync from what I had on disk up to that point.

18:03

stuck?

18:03

as in, didn't have the bdb locks fix patch applied ?

18:03

wedged - due to not having the patch yes

18:03

then burn the whole thing & start over

18:03

srsly

18:04

let me guess, of the 3 weeks, most of the time was spent wedged ?

18:05

The node was not on the network, it was just eating from disk. It did not appear wedged, just processing one block after another.

18:06

but was the entire blockchain already present on disk to be eaten?

18:06

what i am asking is, did it at any point spend time waiting for an edible block to appear on disk.

18:09

Yes it did. I did not dump all.dat files at once. I would dump one, eat through it (in about 24 hours), then dump the next.

18:10

how much time spent on the dumps ?

18:10

(as distinct from the eating)

18:11

a couple of minutes.

18:12

the other important question is whether the node being synced was also accessing the net at the time

18:12

(eatblock is a locking operation)

18:14

It was started like this bitcoind -myip=x.x.x.x -caneat -datadir=/home/gernika/.bitcoin-8-14/

18:19

gernika: you know if the addr db empty? if you did a connect with that node at any point, it'll have a populated address database and start connecting immediately on startup

18:20

i don't have intuition for complete eatblock time, but 3 weeks does sound like surprisingly long time, even with all the checks enabled

18:23

It might not have been empty. That said, I didn't see the noise in the logs I would expect to see if it were connected to another node.

18:23

ah, word

18:25

phf what are u running again?

18:26

shinohai: what's the context?

18:28

oh, o.s.

18:29

shinohai: mac os x

18:30

O.o oh

18:31

reddit is awfully butthurt https://archive.is/XU83T

18:31

Eyewitness: People Walking Out of BitPay Office in Tears : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1gSyO2t )

18:31

^___________________^

18:35

shinohai: what prompted the question?

18:35

I was reading your conversation with gernika in logs, was only curious

18:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31300 @ 0.0007319 = 22.9085 BTC [-]

18:41

brg444

about bitpay, can't say they don't doesn't deserve what's happening to them :/ they're part of the reasons why we have a trove of redditard today who think everyone and their grandmother should be using BTC for retail purchases...

18:41

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00073785 = 14.9784 BTC [+]

~ 22 minutes ~

19:03

[Qntra] Editor Under Fire - http://qntra.net/2015/09/4274/

~ 1 hours 14 minutes ~

20:18

[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] BitBet is THE prediction market, which means it’s basically a megaphone. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/24/bitbet-is-the-prediction-market-which-means-its-basically-a-megaphone/

20:25

Oh MPIF is in on the Trump bet https://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b5

20:25

BitBet - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination :: 10.24 B (57%) on Yes, 7.84 B (43%) on No | closing in 6 months 2 weeks | weight: 99`567 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pzg83A )

20:25

ha.

20:25

almost even odds by now ?

20:26

Yeah, Looks like it is just you and the smaller MPIF share betting on trump so far with everyone else offering odds

20:27

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284785 << pay BACK the VCs ? da fuck's wrong with you!

20:27

Logged on 24-09-2015 13:50:30; hdbuck: raspi + 3D printed case! they'll sell at least 100 of them, so that's around $1.2 million a piece to pay back the VCs. i am waiting for the « toasters » tho.

20:27

you don't pay the credit card, you move the balance on a bigger credit card. duh.

20:28

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284796 << i suspek that's what they were trying to do with the sha1.

20:28

Logged on 24-09-2015 14:13:39; asciilifeform: if the protocol had been designed by sane people, ALL SIGNATURES WOULD HAVE SAME FORMAT regardless of for what the signature is - for a file, or for the key itself, whatever

20:28

and yes it will have to be redone if nothing else then for that reason.

20:29

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284802 << how fast do you expect to go in traffic ? 200W should be enough at the 1mph speed provided your bearings aren't made out of clay.

20:29

Logged on 24-09-2015 14:20:54; asciilifeform: (a panel which fits on a passenger car roof - let's even assume one on the hood, as well - would be lucky to pick up 200W at high noon on a cloudless day.)

20:31

https://i.imgur.com/xTTVeOb.jpg << dude who stole my cat.

20:31

... ( http://bit.ly/1YD9fEy )

20:33

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284827 << he has a point. the notion of putting http in there but then going "The settlement part isnt covered by the document, for the pretty simple reason that settlement is a business matter, not a technical challenge. It would also vastly complicate everything." is pretty wild.

20:33

Logged on 24-09-2015 15:32:14; jurov: it would work fine with gpg mpex-style

20:34

if you are going to put something, put pgp. not pki, and in no case http for a stateful machine.

20:34

("https" is not a thing. it's a flavor of usg-pki. burn it.)

20:35

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9794 @ 0.0007319 = 7.1682 BTC [-]

20:37

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00073785 = 2.8776 BTC [+]

20:37

also the correct way to handle this is through some sort of repo agreement. "A agrees to receive any sums from B throughout today, Sept 25th, and remit no later than by Sept 26th, at 8:00 gmt at address so and so a sum of btc equal to : the sum of btc received ; plus the sum of X currency received divided by Vx ; plus the sum of Y currency received divided by Vy ; plus [etc]."

20:37

this way B can send any payments its customers want, and A will idem send whatever payments its customers want, and at the end of the day the whole balance is BTC settled at the agreed upon price and that's that.

20:38

it can just be published as an item, you don't even need a "connection" between the two.

20:44

in other news, the pin of the association of plastic surgeons from lima, peru depicts as a logo a stylisized cunt.

20:45

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19049 @ 0.00073421 = 13.986 BTC [-]

20:47

Nice

20:48

last fucking place you want the dudes to get involved, the cunt and the other set of labia.

20:48

hands off the functional parts, yo! stick to tits and hips and whatnot

20:50

Seriously

20:51

It's nice that they put that warning up there

20:51

"Don't get anesthesia in Peru, They mess with the functional parts"

20:51

"Adopting Russian Orthodox Christian terminology for an important house of worship, the building is called the Moscow Cathedral Mosque. Its main golden dome and tall minaret reflected the style of many Orthodox churches, except for the Islamic crescents atop them."

20:51

lol stalinism survived, huh.

20:52

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284988 << lovely!

20:52

Logged on 24-09-2015 20:23:18; mike_c: mircea_popescu: wot user does a live search now if user isn't found, and/or provides a handy link for the JS-handicapped among us. http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/FooBar/

20:53

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19650 @ 0.00073761 = 14.494 BTC [+]

21:03

lol trend http://www.sdpnoticias.com/nacional/2015/09/19/reto-del-pasesito-de-coca-la-nueva-moda-entre-las-ninas-bien-mexicanas

21:03

"Reto del pasesito" de coca: la nueva moda entre las niñas bien mexicanas ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTkH95 )

21:06

notrly news is it ?

21:09

Nah, "Trend Piece" aka not news that sneaks into the news

21:13

Stroustrup said: You can write C++ programs that are statically type safe and have no resource leaks. You can do that without loss of performance and without limiting C++s expressive power. This supports the general thesis that garbage collection is neither necessary nor sufficient for quality software. Our core C++ guidelines makes such code simpler to write than older styles of C++ and the safety can be validat

21:13

ed by tools that should soon be available as open source.

21:13

check it out asciilifeform, "experts at Morgan Stanley" fixed the world!

21:13

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26584 @ 0.00073785 = 19.615 BTC [+]

21:14

Seems Stroustrup really went senile

21:15

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1285003 << not run by stephen pair.

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Logged on 24-09-2015 21:27:23; Pierre_Rochard: sad day, could’ve been a great business…

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1285009 << what abgout the idea of eulora on macos!11!!

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Logged on 24-09-2015 21:29:38; phf: ascii_field, mircea_popescu, et al: i've been experimenting with idea of trusted nodes in bitcoind. so far: address has levels of trust, ultimate, trusted and untrusted. adding an address with -connect gives it ultimate trust, with -addnode makes it trusted, otherwise (reported by other nodes, random connections, etc.) are untrusted. nodes have the same level of trust as their addresses. trusted nodes (i.e. bot

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but on the subject : the only thing that matters is the value transferred. any other approach is a waste of time.

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you gotta meter what txn they pass you and score them.

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Further news in 'Murican manufactering http://thesouthern.com/news/local/state-and-regional/caterpillar-now-is-not-the-time-for-peoria-headquarters/article_f1e69229-7903-599d-968c-3a42fac74b96.html

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mircea_popescu: it's already done! afaik ben_vulpes and gernika both have a mac built using my approach

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didja publish it ?

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1285041 << we can already do this using iptables like god intended. it didn't practically help in the field if you recall.

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Logged on 24-09-2015 21:54:55; phf: well, the patch gives special status to ips that were explicitly provided. if you're being mitm'd, your only recourse is operator intervention, the goal of the patch was to ensure that your recourse does not automatically become "use random shmoe"

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1285049 << that's ok, china is not an adult place.

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Logged on 24-09-2015 21:57:49; ascii_field: but that is not an adult answer.

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oh speaking of eulora, is the new version out?

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ayup.

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nice :]

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1285073 << this is a point that perhaps may pass unnoticed and trip people i think.

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Logged on 24-09-2015 22:12:13; ascii_field: (eatblock is a locking operation)

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machine can not do anything else during, if you're say making a large tarball at the same time odds are you'll cry.

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ahyeah http://minigame.bz/eulora/binaries/ << found it.

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... ( http://bit.ly/1VEKczm )

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so asciilifeform & mircea_popescu, I added a sync mechinism for V. but wanted to discuss it a bit, not sure if it's whats really ideal or anything.

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do tell ?

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so, to start, I dropped the vpatches, wot pub keys, and seals (sigs of vpatches) into a webirectory here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/

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Index of /v ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTlXJl )

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this way when one clicks on a node in the directed grap (from before), it takes you to the actual vpatch. anyway...

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aha

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http://thesouthern.com/news/local/communities/carbondale/grubbs-to-get-pay-raise-stipend-to-move-into-carbondale/article_a8840cd8-a507-5499-9a22-183c688d010c.html << $15,000 rent stipend. When I was there rented for $3,600/year fucking inflation

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Grubbs to get pay raise, stipend to move into Carbondale city limits : Carbondale ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTm0F4 )

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one possibility to publish releases in the future now that we have V is to create a manifest of V patches and have the co-chairs sign the manifest, as well as the patches.

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so for instance, I've made http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/TEST2.manifest, so far unsigned as its just for testing my code for a minute here..

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404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTm6wk )

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not found? wth

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i think this is the correct approach. also i like it.

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mircea_popescu: i did not publish the instructions, i will update http://www.eulorum.org/OS_X

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OS X - Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTmdbo )

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So I added subroutines to pull all patches, wots and seals from the foundation site, and/or audit what's already local by checking the local vpatch hashes against the manifest.

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or you can pull individual patches if one likes.

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phf you gonna get in game to get your pile of woooly shrooms ?

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spiffy mod6

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(incase there are patches added to the site webdirectory that are not included in the release manifest)

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thanks :]

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also, i'm leaving some room here for mirrors.

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mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/09/india-imposes-and-us-considers-tariffs-on-hot-rolled-steel/#comment-60869

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India Imposes and US Considers Tariffs on Hot Rolled Steel | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTmgDW )

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mircea_popescu: yes, once i do the publishing

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we could have a signed list of mirrors in the same location as the manifest so that there is some redundancy

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anyway sorry for the verbosity, thanks for listening. just wanted to see if I was on the right track before I get too far along.

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seems lovely mod6

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ty, having fun building it. :]

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:)

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lol https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3m91ls/eyewitness_people_walking_out_of_bitpay_office_in/cvd8pt5

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sciencehatesyou comments on Eyewitness: People Walking Out of BitPay Office in Tears ... ( http://bit.ly/1G5SwhF )

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285158 << this picture is not correct. 'locking' here refers to literal lock, the global big fat lock in bitcoind, the one that makes it only pseudo-multithreaded on account of just about every major routine hogging it

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Logged on 25-09-2015 01:22:51; mircea_popescu: machine can not do anything else during, if you're say making a large tarball at the same time odds are you'll cry.

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it does fucking lock the io somehow.

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(for n00bz - consider a lock as analogous to an airplane toilet door)

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mircea_popescu: the blockchain is tough on the disk i/o, yes. as illustrated by the abysmal failure of pogo-with-mechanical-hdd

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but this is a separate thing.

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aite

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285102 << presently they are quite unlike! hash type for general-purpose message signing is ~selectable~ from the handful of traditional algos; hash for signature ~of keys~ is hardwired to sha1 !

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Logged on 25-09-2015 00:28:18; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2015#1284796 << i suspek that's what they were trying to do with the sha1.

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yeah but they were "oh, you know what, sigs for THIS really need to be dependably known"

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sort of design-by-accident approach

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perhaps.

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but it is gnarly and broken.

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and no less so than if it had been designed to be.

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perhaps.

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285135 << it is also, to borrow a naggumism, theoretically ~possible~ for a mountain of garbage to lack a single fly.

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Logged on 25-09-2015 01:13:17; mircea_popescu: Stroustrup said: You can write C++ programs that are statically type safe and have no resource leaks. You can do that without loss of performance and without limiting C++s expressive power. This supports the general thesis that garbage collection is neither necessary nor sufficient for quality software. Our core C++ guidelines makes such code simpler to write than older styles of C++ and the safety

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in any case : one of the things i'd like to see is non-familiar stuff.

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!s cramer-shoup

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9 results for 'cramer-shoup' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cramer-shoup

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-09-2013#333713 << first mentioned here almost two years ago to the day

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Logged on 28-09-2013 09:10:42; mircea_popescu: my current curiosity in the field is why isn't cramershoup more widely usedf.

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mircea_popescu: i am very much leaning towards scriptable crypto.

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as in bitcoin's script.

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i saw it in the logs. i dun know what to say of this as of yet.

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it CAN be implemented correctly.

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Too far gone for makeup https://i.imgur.com/IuPprVq.jpg

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... ( http://bit.ly/1G5T8Ux )

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this means, almost inescapably - ada. with proofs.

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probably i am doomed to do this.

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(the set of mathematical operations used in crypto is quite limited, well-defined, and does not require a turing-complete interpreter to fully encompass.)

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the specificity-of-diddle 'theorem' more or less demands this approach.

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