#asciilifeform | 2022-04-06

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[http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-04#1092521] [10/10]

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Logged on 2022-04-04 21:28:21 signpost: also had several beers this afternoon with his other favorite j00

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vex sends big love

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-05#1092963 << ftr, i'm not defending or glorifying aristocracy, but i'm saying that you can't have some things while having other things. it's possible that non-debased currency and freedom of commerce are not compatible with high culture

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Logged on 2022-04-05 11:44:33 asciilifeform: in ru this kinda fantasism is memetically known as 'хруст французской булки' ('the crunch of the french baguette')

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the french baguette (i also like the term "grandma's silver spoons") is particularly noxious. it's basically peasants trying to tie their family's history to aristocracy, because life in soviet union was otherwise so unremarkable, having a secret family history was a kind of "i'm actually a princess, but was raised by peasants" kind of juvenile story telling

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it usually comes from people that somehow managed to combine aspirations to high culture with routine personal debasement

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in a way aristo requires a minority to convince the majority that they deserve (first by divine right and then by birth right) to recieve dispraportionate amount of resource, without necessarily generating corresponding economic activiity

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-05#1093086 << possibly -- and possibly not. asciilifeform's pt was that oughtn't be so quick to think that we even know why we ~had~ highculture to start with. and what turned off the tap.

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Logged on 2022-04-05 21:40:42 phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-05#1092963 << ftr, i'm not defending or glorifying aristocracy, but i'm saying that you can't have some things while having other things. it's possible that non-debased currency and freedom of commerce are not compatible with high culture

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asciilifeform: i'm fairly convinced that it was a product of multi generational leisure class, but i'm open to alternative theories

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so for instance atm (while petrosupplies last..) we actually have the mechanical civ basis for mass leisure class. simply most of the 'leisure' is covered up with bizarre makework where deskflyers 'write tps reports'. conceivably one day could dispense w/ the pretense. but rulers impose the makework, suspect, largely on acct of 'keeping lid on consumption', given as otherwise [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/201

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7-02-19#1615564]['the swine will overconsume']. but is bulk of bipeds necessarily swine ? imho unknown

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grr fucked link

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let's try that again

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... as otherwise 'the swine will overconsume'. but is bulk of bipeds necessarily swine ? imho unknown

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(trilema) 2017-02-19 mircea_popescu: !~google "viermi neadormiti"

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in e.g. current usa, maybe 10-20% of adult inhabitants in any way involved w/ keeping the physical plant going.

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possibly that my statement was incomplete, and you need other elements besides leisure, that are at present missing. i don't know how else to account for funkopop marvel generation.

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there's always been bullshit, most of it prolly doesn't get transcoded into the pages of history

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did anyone ever really have non debased currency

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"i'd be an earl if it wern't for the revolution"

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vex: man that's the same angle that asciilifeform is taking, and that's not what i'm ranting about. i'm lamenting about the bifurcation of human experience. either an egghead who knows life from books, or man of action who doesn't know his scylla from charybdis. i simply want other men in my life who both read the classics, and can go hunting from horseback :>

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you're a lord in my book phf

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it'd just get replaced over time with copper, or reissued with bronze core, or some shit like that

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things change quickly sometimes. your kids might me in charge of an asteroid mining op

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or i may simply be a single drop of rain, but i will remain

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sounds like 200 μg

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vex: i don't get the reference

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common lsd dose, i'm being silly as is my want

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yeah i figured it out eventually :D

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-05#1093105 << outta curiosity, why 'hunting, on horse' and not, say, 'flying biplane' ?

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Logged on 2022-04-05 22:15:43 phf: vex: man that's the same angle that asciilifeform is taking, and that's not what i'm ranting about. i'm lamenting about the bifurcation of human experience. either an egghead who knows life from books, or man of action who doesn't know his scylla from charybdis. i simply want other men in my life who both read the classics, and can go hunting from horseback :>

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or, for that matter, how come 'life' is 'hunting on horseback' rather than e.g. drilling for natgas

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-05#1093101 << right, was what asciilifeform was getting at. it aint the leisure, per se. plenty of folx w/ all the leisure anyone could want, and not producing anyffin of even passing interest.

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Logged on 2022-04-05 22:01:22 phf: possibly that my statement was incomplete, and you need other elements besides leisure, that are at present missing. i don't know how else to account for funkopop marvel generation.

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-05#1093114 << flying biplanes or drilling for natgas are also acceptable

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Logged on 2022-04-05 22:28:42 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-05#1093105 << outta curiosity, why 'hunting, on horse' and not, say, 'flying biplane' ?

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imho the q of why 'eggheads' not drilling for natgas, or working as geologist like e.g. efremov -- or the converse q, why gas drillers not writing epic novels -- is answerable.

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not enuff cycles?

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asciilifeform's proposed answer ftr.

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Logged on 2022-01-25 19:23:44 asciilifeform: lizards in usa 'solved' the 'unions problem' by getting rid of labour, creating caste of lumpens on left side of bell curve and caste of paper shufflers on right side, with the sleight-of-hand moar than sufficing to ramp down expectations of life for all of'em

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i.e. successful imposition of a rigid caste society.

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su offered history's only alternative, and nao that it went to /dev/null, we're back to the 'egyptian' system, with peons, priests, and little cross traffic

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i knew a handful of biplane people, and they were very salt of earth. dks is one of them, and he's an army man, smart, shrewd operator, but not much into classics

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right, he's a kshatriya

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asciilifeform knows several.

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phf: any idea whether d00d is still alive, incidentally ?

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he is, i visited him in oct

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a

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asciilifeform noticed his ebay shop empty for ~2y nao, hence the q

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possibly asciilifeform bought his last remaining stock

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whats so manly about flying a biplane

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risky truck driving?

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mats: if 'manly' has a meaning, and it dun include biplane, then nfi what it could mean

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or per mats's lights, requires a ww1 to fly it in ? or wat

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hey mats, bosch make an excellent electic oven

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lol

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seriously

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asciilifeform: his remaining stock requires technical and engineering skill to get to a packaged state

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in a thousand years men will be wistfully chatting about how there aren't any men hopping from rock to rock in nothing more than an aluminium can, a tank of air, and gravity assist

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phf: last thing he sold asciilifeform ftr

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Logged on 2022-03-28 10:18:19 asciilifeform: has 5 'ivory' cpu stashed, 4 of'em brand-new, for microscopy, for which to this day 0 time/budget

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fucking fags and their epstein drives

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(arguably in this category)

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mats: archaic tech tends to be moar accessible and moar 'athletic' obv.

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moar folx flying 'cessna' than mig, recreationally

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e.g. board with falty pals. there's a pal programmer, there's a original lisp code to upload necessary bit map onto pal, there's even reference pals to clone. there's only one person (two if you count myself) who can do this operation and you've met him that one time.

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*boards

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phf: lulzily asciilifeform set up to burn ( & even bruteforce-reverse ) pals/gals in '19. but notenuffcycles grr

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there's a large, for the period, cpld on the ivory3 which is annoying.

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Logged on 2020-02-04 20:41:34 asciilifeform: what it did not include, was any info on the supporting peripherals present on the 'ivory' board. in particular, there's a 1200 gate cpld, which interfaces the thing to the old apple bus; and also some GALs

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i'm just having fun, no debate intended

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was never a scholar-horseman, classics don't interest me anymore and horses have a tightly linked mental association with parasite class that loves watching Yellowstone and owning hobby farms

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asciilifeform concurs re horse. very strong assoc. in his head as described by mats

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asciilifeform interested in classics but has 0 pretense to be a serious scholar of subj and does not expound, a la mp, about it

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there's not surprisingly not that many classics buffs at mma schools, or customizing cars for offroading, or ricer, or hunting, or ... communities either.

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vex also not clasiclly read

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phf: 'не по масти'. usa -- caste society.

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in fact having read ancient mythology strongly implies love for science and extensive knowledge of marvel universe!

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at this pt, in usa, having read anyffin other than a street sign, likely does, lol

02:58

shit fuck classics, falkner? scott fitzgerald? 19th century american frontier writers, like what's his name jack london?

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half the time i hear or read someone referencing the classics, its from an insufferable twat like verisimilitude

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'read? as in fuckingbooks? like fags?' -- prolly erry natgas driller in reich naodays

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exactly

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mats: see, this is how you get an india.

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mats: yeah, people like verisimilitude don't help

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i thought he was autistic, but possibly skitz

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i don't give him credit like that

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tight-lipped fella, but gives reasons to suspect lol

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Logged on 2022-03-31 19:49:19 asciilifeform: mats: fwiw asciilifeform's guess was terrydavis pension, lol. but we won't know unless fella spills

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phf: the 'bifurcation' is interesting imho. e.g., most folx one runs into in usa who 'friends with books', seem otherwise complete invalids, and not even speaking of 'not flies biplane' or 'not customizes racecars' but folx helpless even to cement a hole in their wall w/ own hands.

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Logged on 2021-07-11 18:56:29 asciilifeform: i learned that in usa there are households where there is no hammer.

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and conversely.

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asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQkZzgXw_G8

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lol!

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phf: this prolly exactly how typical reich inmate sees subj

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'when i hear word 'culture', i cock my browning'(tm)(r)

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mp went to some law lectures. remember this one

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it's not my story, i think he extected some sluts and that was it

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*extracted

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maybe he learned enough and fucked off somewhere. i never saw the corpse

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA644rSZX1A to be fair, I never saw the mna

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*man

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8A9Y1Dq_cQ

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scoopbot

New article on A Syndication of Verisimilitudes: An Ada UDP POSIX Sockets Binding

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-05#1093109 << and I'll be back again, and again, and again...

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Logged on 2022-04-05 22:23:57 phf: or i may simply be a single drop of rain, but i will remain

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my heart lifts at "I fly a starship..."

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-05#1093143 << this sliding window of manliness is both true and necessary, or the thing doesn't slide.

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Logged on 2022-04-05 22:45:07 mats: in a thousand years men will be wistfully chatting about how there aren't any men hopping from rock to rock in nothing more than an aluminium can, a tank of air, and gravity assist

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-05#1093156 << horses are vehicles you have to treat like family. have lived on a ranch with 'em, fuck 'em.

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Logged on 2022-04-05 22:54:27 mats: was never a scholar-horseman, classics don't interest me anymore and horses have a tightly linked mental association with parasite class that loves watching Yellowstone and owning hobby farms

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upstack, it was 100% the soviet "sic itur ad astra" that motivated the planet into space in earnest.

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so much so that the piggies across the ocean deployed their captured german to hit the moon with an ICBM first.

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and notably, not shit but extracting efficiency from established technology has happened since.

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signpost misses soviet utopianism by proxy, almost.

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gotta play the cards at hand

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i intend to live forever

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just missed it

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaKNmOsLaro meanwhile, in moonrocks

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My latest article has interesting timing, it seems.

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-06#1093194 Tell me more about fucking horses, signpost.

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Logged on 2022-04-06 00:18:00 signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-05#1093156 << horses are vehicles you have to treat like family. have lived on a ranch with 'em, fuck 'em.

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dont fall off << protip

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljPFZrRD3J8

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5nlOwsMN-I

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PeterL, you oughtta see a cattle dog jump off the back of a ute. thing rolls into a ball until dogspeed, then keeps running

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Would making a Binance account help improve my standing here, mats?

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dog'l' go to jail forver to prtrect house

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if you don't have a reason to binance; i'd say no

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dunno your circumstances beyone why ameteur pshchiatry

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Allow me to help, vex. This is simple mockery.

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oh. i see

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ppl don't always know what you're on about

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are you skitzoid? you've said some viloent thinghs?

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Some of those violent things are jokes.

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cool. samew here

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I do seem to have ``schizoid personality disorder''.

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evident

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you don't find too many friends huh?

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i think you're pretty norml

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No, I don't.

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honestly, i don't undertand the situation

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Neither do I.

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it's okay man

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i dreamt that i left my thongs outside a shop

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I woke up with another set.

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somone stole my thongs

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nothing even happened

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8qJWCMJ7qs

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vex is the weed to adlai's acid?

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i'd love to revist that 1995

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people like verisimilitude are hard to trust.

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yrp

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf0Dm-OaTNk

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i love the cunt. don't get me wrong

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mangol is to snow as vex it to hot

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcb-h8z1uQo

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still snowy here

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-05#1093149 << ken thompson flew mig recreationally

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Logged on 2022-04-05 22:48:11 asciilifeform: moar folx flying 'cessna' than mig, recreationally

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hot here

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can't buy an f18 yet

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fi just bought some f35s for gigabucks

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"it is part of our long-term planning and has nothing to do with the current situation as such"

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harrier ftw

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canned heat were biker hippies? interesting combo

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C17 AINT NO JOKE

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accidectal caps

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arguably so was lemmy at one time, or close enough anyway. seems bikerdom helped avoid most of the hippie excess

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ5fIKmn1ok

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i hope wer'e sending an acdc cd with a bushmaster]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5adE83TYzQ hiding the beer under the seats

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mangol reading Synchronous Programming of Reactive Systems

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looking into this field confirms a lot of the "that's odd - why hasn't anyone thought of this?" hunches i've had about programming over the years

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indeed, other people have had the same hunches, drawn the conclusions i didn't quite dare to draw, and worked out a lot of the implications

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verisimilitude: a real neonazi wouldn't consider learning greek

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$ticker btc usd

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BingoBoingo: yer subscription expired apr. 3. do you intend to renew ?

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-06#1093205 << loller, whoops.

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Logged on 2022-04-06 00:51:55 verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-06#1093194 Tell me more about fucking horses, signpost.

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-05#1093098 << it's a convenient narrative for rulers, which should at least arouse suspicion. it took a lot of work to deskill, impoverish, neuter, the "untermenschen".

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Logged on 2022-04-05 21:55:08 asciilifeform: ... as otherwise 'the swine will overconsume'. but is bulk of bipeds necessarily swine ? imho unknown

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why so much work, if western man has a walmart in his soul?

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-05#1093101 << it's long been my line about the blacks that "drink water without lead, change diet, grow up without childhood terror, then let's measure IQ"

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Logged on 2022-04-05 22:01:22 phf: possibly that my statement was incomplete, and you need other elements besides leisure, that are at present missing. i don't know how else to account for funkopop marvel generation.

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same applies to other lowered and lowering groups.

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signpost ftr is an average american grunt that fed himself what education he could find.

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went to public school, dropped out of state college.

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still managed to eat some of the classics, and more recent philosophers.

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it's broken will I'd blame first for decay.

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signpost worked at $megacorp with people who had PhDs in compsci, still riven with fear that they weren't capable enough.

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Maybe they weren't.

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I'm not a neo nazi, mats.

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-06#1093285 << current reich quite fundamentally based on deliberate, methodical mass enswinement.

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Logged on 2022-04-06 11:55:42 signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-05#1093098 << it's a convenient narrative for rulers, which should at least arouse suspicion. it took a lot of work to deskill, impoverish, neuter, the "untermenschen".

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Logged on 2022-03-25 15:18:32 asciilifeform: see also e.g.

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So, asciilifeform, how does my UDP binding compare to thine?

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verisimilitude: loox like exactly what you described (i.e. similar to asciilifeform's mmap binding, where imports instead of .c)

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likely will suffer the same potential platform headaches as the latter

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I was finished with it weeks ago, but only finished the documentation yesterday.

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I'll bind over it with a nicer interface later, to put the box in a box.

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verisimilitude: were you thinking of writing a pestron? (or why udp)

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verisimilitude: why do you sometimes right-align and sometimes left-alight the items to the left of the colon?

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Yes, asciilifeform, and it will be used for other programs.

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It looks better, PeterL.

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-06#1093259 << plox to elaborate.

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Logged on 2022-04-06 03:24:20 mangol: indeed, other people have had the same hunches, drawn the conclusions i didn't quite dare to draw, and worked out a lot of the implications

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wouldn't it look better if you were consistent?

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-06#1093247 << tribute collection. erry reich satrapy is expected to buy some # of the flying clothes iron

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Logged on 2022-04-06 02:41:45 mangol: fi just bought some f35s for gigabucks

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Logged on 2020-08-12 13:14:04 asciilifeform: consider, e.g. manhattan project -- reportedly cost ~50 bil $ in today's $. f35 -- over $trillion.

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No, PeterL.

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when glancing at the code, if the next line is indented further, it should be a child of the current line. So I think adding whitespace inside the line instead of at the beginning is a much better way to align them

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do you have a better explanation for the inconsistency?

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I mean, I would understand if you right aligned all of them - if that is what you think looks better, but why mix the two formats in one file?

17:17

Sometimes there be a common suffix, instead of common prefix.

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17:41

http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-04-06#1093313 << in .fi case also informal nato membership application (part xyz). we and .se are more or less the last holdouts, but the impatience is palpable

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Logged on 2022-04-06 17:10:34 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-06#1093247 << tribute collection. erry reich satrapy is expected to buy some # of the flying clothes iron

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Logged on 2022-04-06 02:41:45 mangol: fi just bought some f35s for gigabucks

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Logged on 2020-08-12 13:14:04 asciilifeform: consider, e.g. manhattan project -- reportedly cost ~50 bil $ in today's $. f35 -- over $trillion.

17:42

nato just shipped tons of hardware to baltic states on pretext of ukr

17:43

mangol: shipped bill also or is installment plan ?

17:45

asciilifeform: i got the impression usg "temporarily" moved their own hardware to the baltics, and also made the baltics promise to buy stuff for themselves

17:46

nice to have standard hardware across nato, especially when it's us-made and expensive as hell

17:48

.se make affordable and versatile fighter jets, not sure if they'll get any orders from europe anymore

17:49

will be moar interesting subj once the various hyped flying irons actually square off

17:49

atm is rather like situation w/ tanks in 1920s. erryone insists theirs 'versatile' etc

17:50

re: us aerospace, can't tell which project is more absurd, the F35 or the SLS

18:04

SLS -> sodium lauryl sulfate?

18:07

space launch system

18:09

'The test was scrubbed on Monday after a manual valve was, for some reason, left closed when it should’ve been open.' << random fishwrap

18:14

sls test?

18:20

apparently

18:20

apropos, lulzy us critic www re subj.

18:24

also known as the Senate Lunch System

18:24

lol

18:24

they're not even making a new engine

18:29

i was out of date on the .se fighter planes: the new saab gripen has been sold at a unit cost even higher than the F35

18:32

somehow feels weird to spend so much money on fighters. are we really to believe this is the decisive factor in current gen warfare?

18:32

reading various analysts, they don't even seem to agree on what kind of war is current gen

18:35

the most hardcore position basically is that anything except nukes and cheap drones is a waste of money

18:36

mangol: the planes seem to be optimized for embezzlement & tribute collection, rather than flight

18:36

+ conventional missiles

18:36

indeed

18:37

planes are part of creating and maintaining air superiority, they also function as an easy way for politicians to brag about "spending money on defense"

18:38

for most countries on the planet, effective defense = bow down to most favorable superpower

18:38

"nobody would dare invade us, we spent $megabucks on our military"

18:41

seems well established that nobody's invading US, CN, RU in their present forms.

18:42

why invade when you can subvert the target country from within

18:43

probably the only way to destroy a superpower

18:45

mangol: 1 traditional aspect of the subversion is to get opponent to burn resources. incl. on wunderwaffen.

18:46

indeed. china has been quietly buying up US property and bribing like nobody's business

18:46

would be mighty entertaining if the counterpunch against reaganism, is reaganism.

18:48

aka reaganomics?

18:48

specifically the attempt to bankrupt the soviets via method mentioned by asciilifeform

18:50

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Defense_Initiative << example of wunderwaffen

18:55

ah, classic. but did "star wars" cause soviets to overspend in an arms race?

18:57

I really started being less concerned about China when they were beaten in a skirmish by India.

18:58

china is formidable as an economic and to some extent cultural force, not so much military

18:58

Of course, I'm not concerned anyway, because what would my concern do?

18:59

If the US collapses, plenty of Chinese are going to starve to death anyway.

19:00

I may as well be concerned with what god thinks of me; it will have the same effect.

19:02

mangol: I'm not an expert, but the usual narrative within the US is that Reagan's programs prompted expensive soviet projects like Buran, new rockets, space weaponry attempts.

19:03

not sure whether the expense of these were of major impact, or whether the failures were just some of many within the larger context of dissolution.

19:03

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-06#1093194 << that could also be a traumatic experience similar to http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-31#1091114

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Logged on 2022-04-06 00:18:00 signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-05#1093156 << horses are vehicles you have to treat like family. have lived on a ranch with 'em, fuck 'em.

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Logged on 2022-03-31 16:51:47 signpost: was raised fundie as it gets, but maps 100% of current events onto unremarkable human failings.

19:04

sure, perhaps horse maintenance is enjoyable absent having a shitty time on a farm. will readily grant.

19:04

also when boarding is handled by somebody else, etc. :)

19:05

this for sure, the riding was fun.

19:06

i /know/ that i'm turning annoying about the whole horse thing, but i'd be honest, after the first few months of riding i had very much the feeling of "why was i not informed!"

19:07

nah, companionship with animals which spent a long time coevolving with humans is nice.

19:07

verisimilitude is going to make a horse-fucking joke again.

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