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13:42	thimbronion	Anyone else read "Intellectuals" by Paul Paul Johnson?
13:43	thimbronion	Eh, just one Paul in that name.
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14:03	thimbronion	!s intellectuals
14:03	lekythion	100 results
14:03	lekythion	http://trilema.com/2013/the-23-yo-intellectual/
14:03	lekythion	The 23 yo intellectual on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.
14:03	lekythion	The poster sez some 23 yo creepy geek considers himself an intellectual, and would like freshly shaved, juicy teenage/twennysomfin cunt...
14:03	lekythion	...suggest moar intellectuals and moar written words. It certainly works...
14:03	lekythion	http://trilema.com/2013/queers/
14:03	lekythion	Queers on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.
14:03	lekythion	...intellectuals, you see. Do you ever wonder what these "intellectuals...
14:03	lekythion	...goes like this : Wikipedia intellectuals, id esti people who heard...
14:03	lekythion	...upper class", leaving alone "intellectuals" ?! Since when are bar...
14:03	lekythion	All results can be found at http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=4wsB
14:11	asciilifeform	thimbronion: is one of those 'marx, engels, et al summarized for esluzers' pieces ?
14:16	thimbronion	asciilifeform: Rousseau, Marx, Engels, Shelley, Tolstoy, Ibsen, Emmerson, etc. Not necessarily summary, but biography of their despicable lives.
14:17	asciilifeform	vs., outta curiosity, which non-despicable lives ?
14:20	thimbronion	asciilifeform: anyone who lived as they suggested others live, in the case of Marx.
14:22	asciilifeform	wordless biomass will be wordless biomass, whether or not there is a marx to suggest anything to it
14:24	asciilifeform	so far sounds like riotous esltardism, 'didja know!! freud couldn't get his cock to stand! ergo, being a wordless luser is a-ok! lean back, suckle the tv!'
14:25	asciilifeform	wonder, did it mention that e.g. ayn rand ate $6figs of usg.welfare, or omitted.
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14:49	thimbronion	Not everyone is a big deal, including Marx, and he is worse than some lumpenprole for the pretensions, yes.
14:49	thimbronion	The writer does come from the Libertard perspective.
14:50	asciilifeform	thimbronion: the author (strictly from the summary above) aint esp. eager to take 'own medicine' (i.e. 'shuddup, better to be wordless lumpen, than to potentially write down defective philosophies')
14:53	asciilifeform	whether yer cosmography features marx as a crackpot, or prophet, or 'nobody' (lol -- who, then, 'somebody' ? j. rando. anglofuckwit?) imho has 0 bearing on the q
14:54	thimbronion	asciilifeform: I think it's a valuable resource for the recovering libertard who is fed all the slop from these intellectuals w/o the benefit of being exposed to their personal actions, and who has not yet (but undoubtedly soon will) suffered the consequences of heeding their drivel.
14:56	asciilifeform	how about the nutter that got nailed to a cross, will 'valuable resource' also warn of the consequence of heeding his drivel ?
15:01	asciilifeform	i've encountered more than enuff similar drivel browsing bookstores in washingtonistan. 'freud's cock didn't stand, marx mooched off his friends, and btw gulag!!1111 marx, ergo gulag! so shuddup, stop reading books, lean back and watch kardashian like patriotic ameritard'
15:01	thimbronion	I don't see how that last part naturally follows.
15:02	asciilifeform	thimbronion: it automatically follows from attack on 'intellectuals' as a concept.
15:03	asciilifeform	rather like the killing fields logically follow from khmer rouge's similar programme.
15:04	thimbronion	I see it more along the lines of Taleb's "skin in the game" argument.
15:04	asciilifeform	the folks spreading 'fud' re: 'the old gods', endorse the new. if not directly, then by implication.
15:05	asciilifeform	thimbronion: elaborate ?
15:05	thimbronion	You have a series of monumental disasters arising from this bunch of guys who spoke one way but acted another.
15:06	thimbronion	So before taking the next bunch seriously, have a look to see if they practice what they preach.
15:07	asciilifeform	i don't, incidentally, buy into the status quo bias that turns e.g. su, into 'monumental disaster' (while the thousand-year autocratic hell preceding it, somehow 'not disaster, move along now')
15:08	asciilifeform	and moreover, concept of philosopher 'practicing what preaches' is somewhat ill-conceived -- his prescriptions are necessarily for very different types of creature than himself, almost diff. species in the general case.
15:08	thimbronion	asciilifeform: I am in partial agreement with you there. At least Russia is still Russian.
15:09	asciilifeform	thimbronion: phun phakt : 'desovietization' produced larger population (in particular, white pop.) decline in ex-su, than ww2.
15:10	asciilifeform	but you won't hear about this from the 'we won coldwar' wank lit which litters fancy bookstores in usa.
15:12	*	adlai wonders whether .. for lack of better strawmen, let's keep the same great ones: could Joe have written Karl's?
15:12	asciilifeform	if nkvd shot 500k traitorous scum in 1937, this is somehow 'crime against humanity!! that we will wank for 500yrs over'. whereas when 20mil die in '90s of cirrosis, chechens, street scum, malnutrition, and despair -- somehow not notable even enough to print.
15:13	thimbronion	asciilifeform: how is this not yet another case of lack of skin in the game though? Socialism for me and capitalism for thee, etc.
15:15	asciilifeform	thimbronion: capitalism (of the kind popularly wanked to) died in ww2. after it, various forms of socialisms for erryone, whether like or not, and of the nazi flavour. simply because (as summarized by orwell) 'who cannot manufacture airplanes in large numbers, it does not matter what his other politics' or how it went.
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15:16	asciilifeform	100% of the 'great fortunes' today were built via crown concession, just like in '40s germany.
15:17	thimbronion	asciilifeform: yes exactly.
15:17	thimbronion	Meanwhile we are told to "hustle."
15:17	asciilifeform	aaha.
15:17	asciilifeform	and, importantly, also told 'don't read marx'.
15:19	thimbronion	What evidence is there that he had any clue as to what he was writing about?
15:19	thimbronion	I'm not going to ready anything about industry from someone who never participated in it.
15:20	asciilifeform	can't resist to ask -- will also , if getting into chicken farming, insist 'won't read any refs unless authored by chicken' ?
15:22	thimbronion	Eheh. I don't see how Marx has the edge over a chicken here. I would read about it from a chicken farmer though.
15:24	asciilifeform	thimbronion: outta curiosity, read marx ? (which?) -- or only 'debunkings' thereof ?
15:26	thimbronion	asciilifeform: No. I have read Rousseau though.
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16:07	adlai	this conversation does not need oversimplification, wriiight?
16:08	*	adlai has, on the Best Shelf, the parallel to that "Intellectuals" (what a terrible title for a book!)
16:09	adlai	it is E.T.Bell's "Men of Mathematics" (and one chapter includes a female, because even men of ballistics and theontillogical wankery occasionally teach)
16:10	adlai	as opposed to the impression that I get from the aforementioned pop pulping of biographies into a book named by only one word, the book named by more than one word actually also teaches mathematics, despite being an inanimate object.
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16:35	thimbronion	Meanwhile(tm) http://voxday.blogspot.com/2020/12/if-google-wants-to-dance.html <-> http://thimbron.com/2017/08/vox-day-gpg/
16:43	thimbronion	adlai what this conversation really needs is some passive aggression and sarcasm though.
16:52	*	adlai forgot the local "Hey everybuddy, what's everyone doing, mmmkay" protocol, oops.
16:54	adlai	thimbronion: although I've not read any of that specific book in question, and barely keep up with the meanwhile[s], I have approximately three kilobytes of ascii to say on that topic.
16:55	adlai	it is covered adequately by your "HBD" friends, along with stan's questions, that are refreshingly eversoslightly more precise than the average internet claptrapple.
16:56	*	adlai would love to talk about how "HBD" is one of the most brilliant three-letter acronyms in the book of targeted aggression, although lacks a degree in intellectualism.
17:10	thimbronion	adlai Perhaps I'm a moron - likely I am - but I certainly feel like one whenver I try to figure out precisely wtf you're saying.
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17:10	asciilifeform	^
17:12	adlai	often, not much; beyond the trilemal [i.e., in the style of that guy who prefilled your alethiometer before it even existed] treatment of writing as an exercise in vocabulary.
17:14	adlai	how's this: I will continue my general trend of participating in fewer conversations, and respect for claims of published logs, by returning some other day, maybe with anything whatsoever new to say.
17:14	adlai	sarcasm, possibly; passive-aggression, considered a 100% content-free asbestos replacement meme; actual topics for conversation, too many, thus, I leave.
17:20	thimbronion	I don't get the hate for "alethepedia." People want to be all post-modern and say there's no such thing as truth while at the same time shitting out Wikipedia and claiming it's true.
17:22	asciilifeform	thimbronion: link to the 'all the hate' plox ?
17:23	thimbronion	asciilifeform: just referring to adlai's constant mockery of my having an "alethiometer."
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17:24	asciilifeform	thimbronion: at some pt, my understanding is, sumthing broke inside the fella's head, and all he can now do is mockeries. why -- i have nfi.
17:25	asciilifeform	could be -- substance abuse; could be -- the sucking soul vacuum which afflicts some folx upon cessation of a substance abuse; i've nfi in this case.
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