04:12 |
adlai |
perhaps earlier thread deserves to be pulled further in this direction, rather than cluttering up alf's personal channel. |
04:12 |
snsabot |
(asciilifeform) 2020-12-28 asciilifeform: adlai: i won't pretend to have studied and understood ~every~ crackpot 'anon coin' scheme proposed in past decade. but will pick 1 example, schnorr's. which elegantly lends itself to being unraveled like ball of yarn if you can (and enemy -- can) find 'which end to grab' |
04:15 |
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adlai revives another thread from yonder, now that this place is somewhat less "other folx's". |
04:15 |
snsabot |
(asciilifeform) 2020-10-18 asciilifeform: adlai: i dun like flooding other folx's chans w/ bot spew. |
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11:47 |
asciilifeform |
adlai: if you want to discuss alt-etc, pleez do it anywhere but #trb. (e.g. #a.) it is riotously off-topic in #trb, which is about (surprise!!1!) trad bitcoin and in fact particular client. |
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12:07 |
adlai |
what part of pulling on a thread that is attached to a growing reorg bounty of the current best chain is not part of bitcoin? |
12:08 |
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adlai is referring specifically to "find 'which end to grab'" of contracts that become anyonecanspend, relative to trb (and other clients') logic, were miners to arbitrarily cease enforcing specific softforks. |
12:09 |
asciilifeform |
adlai: these -- do pertain to #trb. the linked thrd was re altcoinologies tho. |
12:09 |
adlai |
ah. I linked the specific message with 'end to grab' re:schnorr, hoping that this would be obvious without extra verbiage. |
12:09 |
asciilifeform |
adlai: why, do you have new observation re softphork unwindage? |
12:10 |
adlai |
no new observation, only the nagging gut feeling that the only fundamental force keeping miners from collaborating with such unravelings to^H^Hyesterday is that they need rapid coinbase maturities to keep their books balanced and investors happy. |
12:12 |
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adlai has hardly reached the "explain fundamental theorem of Galois theory to precocious teenager" stage of his own studies; so, do not expect any bombshell unknottings anytime soon. |
12:12 |
asciilifeform |
adlai: in so far as anything can be learned via naked eye re: miners -- they seem to be conflict-averse and optimize always for 'biz as usual', whatever that happens to mean |
12:12 |
asciilifeform |
cuz, elementarily, electric bill gotta get paid etc. |
12:13 |
adlai |
right, because they have been public figures during most of the past decade. this could change in future ones. |
12:13 |
asciilifeform |
adlai: not clear that public exposure or lack thereof has anyffin to do with it. simply, miners are vulnerable to sudden dips in exch rate. |
12:14 |
asciilifeform |
for so long as cost of energy is denominated in fiatola -- will be so. |
12:15 |
adlai |
as you have recently stated, the main fundamental cost and barrier to anonymous mining is heat dissipation, not the merely power bill; and this is not likely to change while mining remains a small percentage of humanity's power consumption. |
12:15 |
snsabot |
(asciilifeform) 2020-12-16 asciilifeform: the mega-heat is simply from 1e6 fingernail-sized ics under 1 roof. there's no particular reason why they ~have~ to live under 1 roof. (tho yes, is cheaper than alternative atm) |
12:16 |
adlai |
miners who are running a proper financial enterprise become rather unhooked from the exchange rate once a good rally gets going. |
12:17 |
asciilifeform |
adlai: given as you are (or were at some point) into altcoinisms, oughta know that there, already good % of hash rate is accounted for by distributed irons (mostly pwned boxen belonging to 3rdparties) |
12:17 |
adlai |
there's a big difference between generic altcoin scum, and coins that specifically compete against bitcoin for sha256d work. |
12:18 |
asciilifeform |
for 'asiccoin', yes, presently not economical. but if it becomes impractical to keep 'mines' in their present form, then similar practice will appear in btcism also |
12:19 |
asciilifeform |
it aint esp. difficult to bake a btc-asic which enciphers result to an antifused-in rsa pubkey prior to outputing |
12:20 |
asciilifeform |
these can be distributed geographically as widely as you like (whether advertised or not, in the past we discussed example w/ 'cable tv' boxes etc) |
12:20 |
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adlai has not studied the state of altcoins recently; nor, for that matter, much about bitcoin; as you answered correctly, it's been a terrible year, and I'm only now gradually returning to any sort of usefulness. |
12:20 |
snsabot |
(alethepedia) 2020-12-15 thimbronion: asciilifeform: just referring to adlai's constant mockery of my having an "alethiometer." |
12:20 |
snsabot |
(alethepedia) 2020-12-15 asciilifeform: could be -- substance abuse; could be -- the sucking soul vacuum which afflicts some folx upon cessation of a substance abuse; i've nfi in this case. |
12:21 |
asciilifeform |
adlai: you seen energetic enuff nowadays. so, congrats |
12:22 |
adlai |
thank you; it'll take a while to modulate energy into criticism constructive enough that it doesn't get misinterpreted as scorn, although that is a goal. |
12:24 |
asciilifeform |
adlai: as general rule -- if you have q's specifically re ~classical~ trb/bitcoin mechanics, that you think trb folx would benefit from reading answers to in future -- ask in #trb, and i'ma try to answer there. but otherwise plz to #a etc |
12:26 |
asciilifeform |
imho even speculations about the fate of miners / goxists / users in general, ideally oughta go somewhere else. these are likely not to be useful to hypothetical student of trb src 1y from today |
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14:04 |
shinohai |
http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/ <<< o hey I missed this was updated with obey_sendbuffersize ... ty jurov |
14:04 |
asciilifeform |
oh hey, fixed. ty jurov |