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10:34 mircea_popescu trinque ^
10:39 shinohai "Cloudy with a chance of packeting" -freenode
10:40 mircea_popescu in other news, bitcoin difficulty looks like it's finally come out of the crazy and into economic coupling, check it out, past six months it's been evidently kept in place by fiat exchange rates.
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10:43 mircea_popescu seems the ~true value~ of peta hash is about 4-500 bucks.
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10:44 mircea_popescu should be very interesting to see what happens next year -- we might discover, for the "yet unknown bitcoin flaws file" that indeed halving rewards induce halving of mining-security.
10:49 mircea_popescu and should we discover that, suddenly all the early, romantic era preaching about inflation being bad ~per se~ will need to somehow be adjusted into "inflation bad because a) market-impredictable and b) government-arbitrary", and a lot of pointing out that "systems with preknown and immutable inflation are exactly equivalent to systems with no inflation", "because in functional analysis all constants are equally C" or somesuc
10:49 mircea_popescu h.
10:49 mircea_popescu anyone even recall this, btw, back when "people themselves" were gonna somehow UGC into existence the dawn of a new world ?
10:50 mircea_popescu that'd be back before they started folding left and right like cockroaches, on the slightest of pressures, each and all of them discovering they'd much rather be "media personalities" with a side-job of dishwasher than practically anything else.
10:52 * mircea_popescu sees quite the bridge uniting http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/ dood with http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-07#1893476 dood with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-14#1834544 dood and so following.
10:52 a111 Logged on 2019-02-07 19:47 BingoBoingo: In other wild finds relating to http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/ See: Pinned Tweet Charlie Shrem Verified account @CharlieShrem 20 Feb 2017: Watch me go from CEO to Dishwasher in "Disrupting Money" (derpurl)
10:52 a111 Logged on 2018-07-14 16:11 mircea_popescu: !!rate dooglus -10 http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/
10:54 mircea_popescu turns out that "left to their own devices", "the people" will reproduce the sterility cycle again an' again an' AGAIN and forever, to the exclusion of all else.
10:55 mircea_popescu the females' perl apparatus at least produces babies, yo! what the fuck's the male perl machine do ?
10:56 mircea_popescu !Qcalc 1800 * 3500 / 24 / 3600 / 35000
10:56 lobbesbot mircea_popescu: 0.00208333333333
10:58 mircea_popescu nfi what i did above to get http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894617, but anyway : 1800 coins / day, 3500 each say, 24 hours in that day, 3600 seconds in the hour and 35k or so PH/s network speed atm, give or take. makes the true value of the ~exa~hash about two bucks.
10:58 a111 Logged on 2019-02-10 15:43 mircea_popescu: seems the ~true value~ of peta hash is about 4-500 bucks.
11:01 shinohai "There are now 1375 live ETH dApps. 86% of them had 0 users today. 93% of them had 0 tx volume today."
11:02 mircea_popescu lol what's the rapehole got to do with anything.
11:02 shinohai The amount of hash *those* guys waste is staggering. "Mah cryptokitties" and such.
11:02 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893804 -> sadly I must say that I failed to find a way to terminate the program if/when one of the tasks is just looping infinitely ; I tried: abort of the looping task -> nothing,because task is "not in an abortable region"; Abort_Task(Current_Task) from the main program -> still stuck because apparently it takes it to mean "will stop AFTER all my dependent tasks stopped too!"; raising an uncaught except
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11:02 a111 Logged on 2019-02-08 18:11 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893756 -> this makes in fact a lot of sense esp given asciilifeform's observation that indeed, that's an unrecoverable error state; so this sounds good: if child task doesn't die when aborted then kill self (taking the task with self too ofc); I'll experiment with this but afaik so far it should work
11:02 diana_coman ion -> ditto, still stuck
11:02 mircea_popescu i tell you i dun see it. what amount ?
11:03 diana_coman I also tried asynchronous transfer i.e. supposedly "try this and if timeout then do that" but apparently it's in fact still "oh, but ONLY if abortable"
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11:03 mircea_popescu diana_coman keks, so ada is actually stop-broken ?
11:03 shinohai Actually, you're right: https://etherscan.io/chart/hashrate
11:03 diana_coman this is what I understand so far: IF you have the misfortune of calling something that won't stop for whatever reason, you're fucked
11:04 diana_coman and I don't know what does this make re I/O operations because you can't quite control they are "in an abortable state" afaik
11:05 diana_coman I'm all ears if anyone has some idea re this supposedly simple thing: how to kill-self in ada, whole program but guaranteed to work i.e. without any bullshit "oh, but only if/when..."
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11:05 mircea_popescu shinohai just because a buncha kids take 2-3 ppm of hash and play with it, by cutting it into as many various boxes with labels on them (which are now "things" dontchaknow) as the square of the kiddypool headcount mean nothing. that's how industry works, back when the parents were atthe foundry making nails, kiddies had bits and segments of nails in all the pockets to play with.
11:05 mircea_popescu diana_coman or rather, "how to a) kill something b) in a manner that's guaranteed to work".
11:07 * mircea_popescu is seriously considering switching back to c ; 90% of the codebase there already...
11:08 diana_coman ugh, can't say though I'd really want to implement more c/cpp
11:09 mircea_popescu what the fuck am i going to do ?
11:09 mircea_popescu i'm not about to give control of the box to "ada".
11:09 diana_coman ctrl-c from outside still works!
11:09 diana_coman lolz
11:09 mircea_popescu o ? how come, it's "not in abortable state".
11:09 mircea_popescu fucking bullshit.
11:10 diana_coman well yes, outside doesn't care /know about state, the uncaring outside, obv
11:10 mircea_popescu how the fuck dares it love its children more than its owner!
11:11 * mircea_popescu will NEVER fucking support this, i don't care what it is, people, software, whatever the fuck. husband above ALL children, operator above internal state, no fucking exceptions.
11:12 mircea_popescu i'd rather write a new ada.
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11:12 * diana_coman is afraid THAT is where we're heading to
11:12 mircea_popescu inb4 "o but mp, lips also doesn't think so much of anyone besides the social worker conduit to govt dole keks"
11:12 mircea_popescu lisp*
11:16 diana_coman I suppose I still have to try...calling pthread_kill from within ada or somesuch madness
11:16 mircea_popescu at the rate this is going, main will be c and calling ada bits. and killing them.
11:17 diana_coman quite
11:17 mircea_popescu and ada kept to an arm's length absolutel minimum. i find it immoral to support development in femstate languages.
11:17 diana_coman absolute minimum is hard to define other than 0
11:17 mircea_popescu anyway. doesn't have to be decided this very sunday.
11:18 diana_coman hopefully there still is some way I've overlooked/haven't yet found, what can I say
11:20 mircea_popescu #trilema, never a dull moment.
11:21 diana_coman HA! so....GNAT.OS_Lib.OS_Exit(0) at least...works
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11:21 diana_coman to kill whole program I mean
11:22 diana_coman so now I'll have to study that and see how it does it...
11:24 diana_coman ofc: pragma Import(C, OS_exit, "__gnat_os_exit") and same for abort for that matter; so pretty much as above: to kill, call in C
11:24 mircea_popescu for fuck's sake. what's wrong with these people ?
11:25 mircea_popescu there can never be such a thing as an ada machine.
11:25 mircea_popescu you realise this, don't you ?
11:25 mircea_popescu and why ? because braindamaged morons ~deliberately made it so~.
11:25 * mircea_popescu sees YE BRIDGE EVER EXTENDING
11:26 diana_coman unless someone wakes up and shows me "here you idiot, THIS is how to actually stop at any time", yes
11:26 mircea_popescu "we wanna fight mommy just a bit so she thinks more of us, not so she gets the fuck lost and we start our own household"
11:34 auctionbot Buy order # 1039 has ENDED: No sale. Attn: BingoBoingo
11:38 BingoBoingo !Xbuy 154mn 18 500 Wired Filthy Fiats (WU is fine)
11:38 auctionbot Buy order # 1040 created by BingoBoingo: 500 Wired Filthy Fiats (WU is fine) Opening: 154mn ecu Ending: 2019-02-10 22:42:10.419382 UTC (17 hours)
11:38 BingoBoingo ^Take 4 at setting an exchange rate this month
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12:14 * asciilifeform eats log
12:16 asciilifeform diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894644 << >> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch16/os__ads.htm#44_24
12:16 a111 Logged on 2019-02-10 16:05 diana_coman: I'm all ears if anyone has some idea re this supposedly simple thing: how to kill-self in ada, whole program but guaranteed to work i.e. without any bullshit "oh, but only if/when..."
12:22 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894658 << there is not , in long term, any escape from 'write a new ada' (at the very least, even if there were no known gnat bugs -- and i've already found at least 1 -- on acct of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1892591 ).
12:22 a111 Logged on 2019-02-10 16:12 mircea_popescu: i'd rather write a new ada.
12:22 a111 Logged on 2019-02-05 01:00 asciilifeform: the ultimate win would be to get something other than gnat ( say, an adatron implemented in cl... ) that can build something resembling a working gnat. but sadly i suspect this is yrs away.
12:25 asciilifeform i dun think it even makes sense to think of the problem in terms of 'write a new ada' tho. the way i see ada, is as a junkyard wars workaround against the retardation of pc arch, where pointerolade, overflowable arrays, etc. if you had a sane arch, you could program in moar or less whatever you want (e.g on bolix, ada, fortran, c, lisp, were implemented as simply skins around the arch, and all shared in the nonoverflowability etc )
12:27 asciilifeform re the threads tho, i thought q was settled in the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893774 item.
12:27 a111 Logged on 2019-02-08 17:06 mircea_popescu: so then i'm guessing if indeed this problem is encountered thing should just die altogether.
12:32 asciilifeform nuffin keeps you from calling exit(-1) and nuking whole process + all children. i have nfi where is the puzzler here.
12:33 asciilifeform it's an exact repeat of the ancient thread re the 'acid' guarantees in sql.
12:37 asciilifeform will add to this also, that if yer thread is actually wedged, it will almost always be on acct of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893811 , i.e. waiting for a blocking unix i/o, and no matter what yer pthreads proggy is written in , c, ada, cobol, whatever, it will still become a zombie, cuz unix is retarded.
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12:37 a111 Logged on 2019-02-08 18:22 asciilifeform: incidentally, before $thread is forgotten, oughta add that unix's model of process-killin' is a convincing illusion, but not the Real Thing, given e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-31#1838388
12:37 asciilifeform i dun know of a workaround for this, either, other than to finally fucking bury unix.
12:38 asciilifeform unix per se aint http://www.loper-os.org/?p=215 or http://www.loper-os.org/?p=267 - compliant, noose at 11..
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12:54 diana_coman asciilifeform, your example in ch16 is same thing as e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894670
12:54 a111 Logged on 2019-02-10 16:21 diana_coman: HA! so....GNAT.OS_Lib.OS_Exit(0) at least...works
12:56 diana_coman the issue at hand being that ADA doesn't kill ; and to add to this, note that in this case (i.e. some wedged task) it won't actually *finish* even when its checks fail; so that promise that "program will stop running if erroneous state" is at best mis-stated: no, it won't always stop, it might..wait to stop
13:06 asciilifeform diana_coman: you tried exit() and it still sat ?!
13:06 asciilifeform nao i'ma have to reproduce this
13:07 asciilifeform diana_coman: how did you model 'wedged task' ? ( i.e. what didja put in it ? infinite loop? or eternal i/o wait ? )
13:08 feedbot http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/083-gutenberg-rsync.html << The Tar Pit -- Rsync'ing Project Gutenberg, a report
13:09 asciilifeform diana_coman: it is exactly == to GNAT.OS_Lib.OS_Exit(0) , yes, btw; i did the 'import' for the same reason as for the character i/o, i.e. to lose the dependency on the standard lib
13:13 BingoBoingo spyked: I'm curious what happens to the size of the archive if you split out the DVD's, mp3's and pdfs.
13:20 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/02/british-broadcasting-corporation-now-publishing-articles-in-language-they-describe-only-as-pidgin/ << Qntra -- British Broadcasting Corporation Now Publishing Articles In Language They Describe Only As "Pidgin"
13:30 BingoBoingo ^ Not news in the sense they just started, news in the sense "Here's a rich oil field of stupid the dole's funded" or market for how the ghost of Rhodesian unfairness is eating that US colony north of France
13:31 asciilifeform diana_coman: incidentally, per the std doc, raise PROGRAM_ERROR with "eggog!"; also oughta drop the whole process dead.
13:33 asciilifeform -- at least iirc, can't seem to dig up the pertinent chapter & verse just nao
13:41 spyked BingoBoingo, that's a very good q. I'ma make some quick stats with file types and their sizes, then will add them to the post.
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13:44 asciilifeform diana_coman, mircea_popescu , et al : other observation : based on my reading of https://www.adaic.org/resources/add_content/standards/12rm/html/RM-9-8.html , 'abort' oughta work as a hard kill unless you specifically put a deliberate 'do this before death' in the task. but does gnat actually obey the standard here, i currently do not know
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13:50 diana_coman asciilifeform, nope; I tried raise Program_Error and it was just as stuck
13:51 diana_coman hence my additional fuel on fire that no, it does not do what it promises
13:51 diana_coman model of wedged task was infinite loop, yes; and exit(0) was the only thing that did kill it but as you can see, that is C; imported in Ada, sure, but...C
13:52 diana_coman and no, abort does NOT work,at least not on ave1's gnat
13:53 diana_coman i.e. it "works" in the sense that it politely waits until that wedge task is kind enough to please come out of the loop so you can abort
13:53 diana_coman same if Main program does abort for that matter: it still waits for children tasks to be so kind as to...
13:54 diana_coman and I mean abort_task(current_task) as well as abort that_task
13:55 asciilifeform diana_coman: can you post plox the whole test jig, i'd like to reproduce the effect and see wtf , in gdb ( prolly won't get to it until nightfall tho )
13:56 diana_coman k, I'll take it down and post it a bit later
13:56 diana_coman ftr I DID look at it with gdb
13:56 asciilifeform in re 'had to import exit()', i found that this is troo for ~100% of os i/o, not only e.g. udp but character i/o, etc. i dunlike the standard i/o glue thing came with at all.
13:57 asciilifeform diana_coman: ah looked ? and what was it doing instead of exiting ?
13:57 diana_coman and it shows those tasks still there; ALSO: from within Ada, you can tell: if your code does abort Task_X and then check Task_X'Terminated , it'll still be false (idem 'Callable still true)
13:57 diana_coman it reported dutifully that thread got sig_abrt but then it was still there and ...nothing
13:57 diana_coman somwhere in __clone iirc
13:57 asciilifeform rright but what was the 'still there' 1 doing
13:58 diana_coman bbl, will post the thing
13:58 asciilifeform ty diana_coman
13:58 asciilifeform this worx 9000 better than 'telepathic debug'
13:59 asciilifeform i'ma go and do meat chores, will return around 2300 hrs orcistani time, and build diana_coman's tester
14:00 asciilifeform meanwhile ave1 didja ever genesis the gnat ? currently i haven't what to patch on.
14:01 asciilifeform and it does look like it'll havetobe patched.
14:02 * asciilifeform bbl,meat
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15:00 mod6 Well, during the information gathering of my blog post, I went to boot back into my never-has-failed me Gentoo installation on my 500Gb SSD. And now I'm getting: "Welcome to GRUB! \n error no such device: e45d853f-... \n error: unknown filesystem \n Entering rescue mode... \n grub rescue>" which doesn't let me boot by selecting: linux (hd0,1)/<kernel_name> root=(hd0,3) \n boot different than the normal gr
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15:00 mod6 ub command prompt.
15:00 mod6 I can still access the disk via Live CD... so at least I can get the data off the drive.
15:00 mod6 What a nightmare. This box has been rock-solid for nearly a year, but now I suspect that perhaps this is a hardware problem with the MB or something? Perhaps the 78 power-cycles and SATA disk swapping that I did over the last 10 days totally hosed the machine itself.
15:00 mod6 Anyway, I'll dig up the artifacts off the gentoo disk with the Live CD and still make a post. But regardless, I think I'm gonna have to buy a new machine to mess with this any further.
15:02 BingoBoingo I suspect file system corruption is more likely. This may mean hardware failure or it could mean an accumulation of small errors piling up during those power cycles.
15:09 BingoBoingo If you've got an extra or leftover SATA disk lying around, see if you can throw an OS on it and boot the OS using the machine in question.
15:11 BingoBoingo Don't waste your time with something requiring an involved install, something that takes a couple clicks an tosses up a heathen linux on a junkpile disk should be fine.
15:14 mod6 So during this adventure, I initially bought a WD 250Gb SATA SSD, upon which I installed cuntoo. Which I never did get to work. Upon initial suspicion that disk might be bad, I bought another 250Gb WD SSD and installed cuntoo on that also. Same error. So I at least removed the variable of "disk is bad".
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15:15 mod6 But that's what I've got now. 2 250Gb SSDs with Cuntoo on them, neither boot, and now a 500Gb Gentoo disk that has worked perfectly up until just this very moment, which also doesn't boot.
15:15 mod6 I think I'm just going to junk this box.
15:21 BingoBoingo But, you can read the disks with a liveCD running
15:24 BingoBoingo I suspect there's space for error in the process of setting up and keeping up the filesystems that will persist without regard for how many boxes get junked along the way
15:26 mod6 yeah
15:26 mod6 files backed up. ok, well, i've re-run `grub-install /dev/sda && grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg`. we'll see if this resolves it.
15:26 mod6 yup, ok that seemed to do the trick. no idea how mbr or bootloader would have been corrupted.
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15:26 mod6 *shrug*
15:31 diana_coman asciilifeform, and anyone else interested in testing Ada's failure to abort, minimal test setup: ossasepia.com/available_resources/test_tasks_ada.zip
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15:32 diana_coman basically the "hard stop" means *at most* that "next statements won't run" but not at all that "thread will stop"
15:41 trinque mod6: you really need to push through this "I have 3 broken things and no idea why, time to junk the box" impulse.
15:41 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-09#1894545
15:41 a111 Logged on 2019-02-09 19:55 trinque: btw this means that e.g. what mod6 is experiencing are more likely to be "I need to go understand kernels and lilo better" than "cuntoo is broken"
15:42 trinque like, "neither boot". why doesn't that come with some context?
15:42 trinque lilo does what when they attempt to boot?
15:43 trinque "doesn't know where the kernel lives" or "kernel starts logging things and hangs when trying to mount root" or "it ties my dick in a knot and slaps my mother"
15:44 mod6 trinque: I'm getting there, it'll be in the blog post.
15:45 trinque whatever ritual you prefer. I'm sitting right here, wondering wtf this angular communication is.
15:50 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894714 << it's not like there was any prior expectation for the malfunction on any basis whatever. yes, as far as i also knew, shit was supposed to work, from what i know of what they've said you'd expect it worked etc etc.
15:50 a111 Logged on 2019-02-10 18:44 asciilifeform: diana_coman, mircea_popescu , et al : other observation : based on my reading of https://www.adaic.org/resources/add_content/standards/12rm/html/RM-9-8.html , 'abort' oughta work as a hard kill unless you specifically put a deliberate 'do this before death' in the task. but does gnat actually obey the standard here, i currently do not know
15:50 shinohai Will the "it ties my dick in a knot and slaps my mother" be a feature in next version of bootstrapper?
15:51 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894713 << i specifically don't even WANT the "rich media" / dvds / epubs / pdfs / whatever bullshit. i don't even want their pagelong blathers about how all-important inca is or whatever shit.
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15:51 a111 Logged on 2019-02-10 18:41 spyked: BingoBoingo, that's a very good q. I'ma make some quick stats with file types and their sizes, then will add them to the post.
15:53 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: That was my motivation for the question. How much junk can be cut in the collection management process on the way to having a library
15:53 trinque shinohai: lol at this rate I'm calling it a high priority feature request.
15:54 mod6 trinque: what do you mean by 'angular'? If you mean, why so terse? Because I don't want to flood #t with a ton of information, as I'm afraid I'll also leave something out.
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15:55 trinque so stop being afraid and start coughing me up some deets like we did for what, years on end with trb, to great benefit of all
15:55 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894753 << i thought mbrs went out with the dos. still a thing ?!
15:55 a111 Logged on 2019-02-10 20:26 mod6: yup, ok that seemed to do the trick. no idea how mbr or bootloader would have been corrupted.
15:55 diana_coman mircea_popescu, asciilifeform fwiw my initial http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893804 was informed by the docs; because yes, docs say a lot of "stops"
15:55 a111 Logged on 2019-02-08 18:11 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893756 -> this makes in fact a lot of sense esp given asciilifeform's observation that indeed, that's an unrecoverable error state; so this sounds good: if child task doesn't die when aborted then kill self (taking the task with self too ofc); I'll experiment with this but afaik so far it should work
15:56 mod6 I've conducted quite a bit of work over these last 10 days, and I know mod6 seems like a "n00b" and "doesn't know what he's doing", but I have managed to install gentoo quite a few times since '15. But yeah, always learning.
15:56 trinque I'm certain the cuntoo script is *not done* which is why I'm having folks test it, but I want more out of these tests than "ow, it wasn't a debian installer"
15:56 trinque nobody's even talking about mod6's standing or intelligence here.
15:58 trinque I give even odds the lilo step of the script trashed your grub. one would love to know why.
15:58 mircea_popescu diana_coman the one question lingering here is : as ada actually elaborates an init and an exit, as it must, since it does in fact compile, whether there's a way to use these correctly in lieu of "call C-mommy to change diapers".
15:58 trinque why did 10 days elapse without a clue entering the forum? this is the "lets do business in #pizarro" thing again
16:02 mod6 Because after all the gentoo problems I had back in '15, I wanted to be sure that I had exausted all the things before bringing this forward.
16:02 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo and it is VERY HARMFUL fucking junk. having "All donations should be made to "Project Gutenberg/CMU": and are tax deductible to the extent allowable by law. (CMU = Carnegie- Mellon University)." or "Copyright laws are changing all over the world, be sure to check the copyright laws for your country before posting these files!!" in the lede of "The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare" promotes a most harmful
16:02 mircea_popescu and in any case uncountenable view whereby the fucktarded usgistan is at least more important than fucking shakespeare.
16:03 mircea_popescu it very well fucking is not. it's not even remotely as important. having usg.cmu or usg.anything-else spew on actual literature is nothing short of vandalism. i don't want their grafitti, and i don't care why they think they're owed it.
16:03 BingoBoingo mod6: Start bringing out the error reports earlier. It's one very good use of a blog, you compile detailed output of the problem condition and then drop the link here.
16:05 mircea_popescu this without even going into ridiculous nonsense a la "We produce about two million dollars for each hour we work. The time it takes us, a rather conservative estimate, is fifty hours to get any etext selected, entered, proofread, edited, copyright searched and analyzed, the copyright letters written, etc. This projected audience is one hundred million readers. If our value per text is nominally estimated at one dollar then w
16:05 mircea_popescu e produce $2 million dollars per hour" ; apparently nobody fucking there bothered to EVER confront http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-15#1656097 or http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-15#1684170 etcetera.
16:05 a111 Logged on 2017-05-15 01:15 mircea_popescu: gutenberg statistics ? 24 downloads for regrets sur ma vieille robe de chambre. in a fucking decade. because, of course, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-09#1653782
16:05 a111 Logged on 2017-07-15 09:02 mircea_popescu: and in other "internet is for lulz", http://www.gutenberg.org/files/43617/43617-h/43617-h.htm was downloaded... 77 times.
16:06 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Right. This shit has to get cleaned, and turned into an actual library collection rather than CMU subsidizing Google.
16:07 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894772 << it's not terse, mod6. compare and contrast http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894635 with http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894738 ; does it strike you where these are different ?
16:07 a111 Logged on 2019-02-10 20:54 mod6: trinque: what do you mean by 'angular'? If you mean, why so terse? Because I don't want to flood #t with a ton of information, as I'm afraid I'll also leave something out.
16:07 a111 Logged on 2019-02-10 16:02 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893804 -> sadly I must say that I failed to find a way to terminate the program if/when one of the tasks is just looping infinitely ; I tried: abort of the looping task -> nothing,because task is "not in an abortable region"; Abort_Task(Current_Task) from the main program -> still stuck because apparently it takes it to mean "will stop AFTER all my dependent tasks stopped too!"; raising an uncaught except
16:07 a111 Logged on 2019-02-10 20:00 mod6: Well, during the information gathering of my blog post, I went to boot back into my never-has-failed me Gentoo installation on my 500Gb SSD. And now I'm getting: "Welcome to GRUB! \n error no such device: e45d853f-... \n error: unknown filesystem \n Entering rescue mode... \n grub rescue>" which doesn't let me boot by selecting: linux (hd0,1)/<kernel_name> root=(hd0,3) \n boot different than the normal gr
16:10 mod6 Well, it seemed to me there was a pretty lengthy conversation about Ada threading issues over the last two days, I didn't want to make my problems (with a possible questionable box) the center of attention for everyone.
16:10 mod6 Anyway, I think I'm just a bit frustrated.
16:10 * trinque invites a terse machine-gunning to the face of mod6's notes
16:11 trinque and less "shit's fucked, man" with a smoke out back.
16:11 mod6 Also, I'm remembering now, trinque, that I did ask alf about my inital hang that I had in #piz. He suggested that I had a kernel problem, but I never did really ask about it otherwise. I just tried to solve my own problem.
16:12 mod6 Well, if your frustrated with me, I apologize. I'm just trying to get this up and going so I can test Keccak TRB on here.
16:13 BingoBoingo mod6: The closest computers have come to the promised "intelligence amplified" I have ever seen is when detailed error reports in this channel and less frequently #pizarro and #asciilifeform yield detailed feedback.
16:14 mod6 I tend, lately to stay away from asking trinque questions, as I seem to get punched in the face as opposed to helpful responses.
16:14 mod6 This is perhaps why I never reached out.
16:14 BingoBoingo For my own selfish reasons I want to see what you hit your head on, because there is a very real chance when I go to try things I will also hit my head on the same rocks
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16:15 trinque mod6: is it possible you're just a bit too focused on feelings here?
16:15 mod6 I mean "lately" as in, the last year or so... which is fine. I should have just started blogging immediately instead of trying to resolve my issues for 10 days.
16:15 mod6 I'm not focused on any feelings. I just would rather not bother you.
16:16 BingoBoingo I'm seeing less punches and more error reports being presented in response to the way you are composing your own error reports. It's an error cascade.
16:16 * mod6 drops head.
16:19 BingoBoingo I suggest lifting head, making some hot chocolate, taking a walk to dump some adrenaline off and get a bit of calm, then returning.
16:19 trinque you're evaluating things towards the purpose of avoiding negative reflection upon you, rather than from the cause of your circumstances. thus when I ask you what was on your workbench when http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894746 happened, you either don't know or shy away from saying.
16:19 a111 Logged on 2019-02-10 20:14 mod6: So during this adventure, I initially bought a WD 250Gb SATA SSD, upon which I installed cuntoo. Which I never did get to work. Upon initial suspicion that disk might be bad, I bought another 250Gb WD SSD and installed cuntoo on that also. Same error. So I at least removed the variable of "disk is bad".
16:20 trinque if I hated you, I'd let you proceed and negrate you in a few months. I personally tire of $howOneAppears being the aim, instead of the side-effect of *doing things*
16:21 mod6 Guys, I'm gonna work on this blog post, then unbury myself from the latest 5" of snow that just landed on me. Let's take this all back up when this is done.
16:21 mircea_popescu mod6 no man, the difference ain't that one's topic is ada and the other's topic is cuntoo. the difference is that she said "here's the top level problem, here's the list of possible solutions, here's the failure mode of each, let me know if either the list's missing an item or wtf." ; you said "here's an error message pasted and i've been having problems".
16:22 mircea_popescu i have no doubt that you, as anyone who uses computers, occasionally encounters error messages, and occasionally has problems.
16:22 mircea_popescu but if these aren't structured in the manner where they're useful... unsurprisingly enough, they can't be used.
16:22 mircea_popescu hence the encouragement to go write a blog article about it -- the idea is that "well, maybe he's not so good at being succint, but if he's stuck telling the whole story then organisation will necessarily emerge for him from it".
16:25 mircea_popescu so either write the blog article or don't ; but in any case be like "yo trinque, the problem's X, reproducible through Y, approach a dun work because q happens, approach b dun work because w happens, wut do ?"
16:26 mircea_popescu fail that, even something as vague as "on particularly this-and-so hw mix this thing fails in a manner i can't fucking understand" is better than nothing, witness eg http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-14#1886738
16:26 a111 Logged on 2019-01-14 03:53 mircea_popescu: in other arcana : i have here a copy of trb that has died a mysterious death on dec 31st. the process itself hasn't returned, ps aux lists it as expected, however the last time it touched any files was two weeks ago, nor does a call to getinfo ever return.
16:26 mircea_popescu but it's not better than nothing ~by all that much~.
16:31 mircea_popescu other than that, from what i've seen i believe he's probably right, lilo setup possibly fucked your grub at some juncture. it'd be great to extract the juncture if at all possible.
16:43 feedbot http://pizarroisp.net/2019/02/10/pizarro-isp-update-february-10th-2019/ << PizarroISP -- Pizarro ISP Update February 10th, 2019
16:45 BingoBoingo This update raises a serious issue in the lack of success I have had setting a price point at auction this month http://pizarroisp.net/2019/02/10/pizarro-isp-update-february-10th-2019/#selection-31.0-49.104
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16:47 BingoBoingo I need to know what changes to how I have been handling auctions would get people in WoT to start bidding on auctions.
16:49 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo can just reuse old one i guess ?
16:49 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: This month I suspect I may have to.
16:50 mircea_popescu alternatively, you might do the 0-start auction and force people to either bid or lose out. tho that risky, "market can remain insane for much longer than you can remain solvent":
16:53 BingoBoingo Right, especially as after dropping the implied rate for take 2 and keeping that rate through takes 3 and 4 the spread between a low price not getting bids and what local liquidity is offering have grown.
16:54 BingoBoingo One temper on zero start auctions would be that the auction result determines the price basis for invoicing. Insane auction result leads to insane invoice.
16:56 mircea_popescu risky enough. dood who failed to bid when he was supposed to is much less likely to go "oh, this high invoice is what i deserve for my failure" and rather "o no, bill too high, won't pay [nevermind that i made it too high by being deliberately stupid, that shouldn't count, nobody should ever have to do anything]"
16:56 mircea_popescu and so...
16:58 jurov !Xbid 1040 154mn
16:58 auctionbot Buy order # 1040: 500 Wired Filthy Fiats (WU is fine) Heard: 154mn from jurov. Ending: 2019-02-10 22:42:10.419382 UTC (12 hours 40 mins)
17:05 BingoBoingo ty jurov
17:07 BingoBoingo Anyways, if there is something I can do whether that is standardizing the length of auction, day of the month it starts, duration, etc feedback is welcome.
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17:10 mircea_popescu i personally am not generally bidding because broadly i want this thing to develop its own network and narrowly it's just twenty times the cost in overhead for whatever benefit it might produce, sorta like carrying strawberries by the boat one by one.
17:12 BingoBoingo That's healthy and consistent with your necessary turning of the screws since the 2017 power cycling incident to accelerate the purging of hallucinated optionality.
17:14 mircea_popescu that aside, i'm guessing i still supplied a large-ish chunk of pizarro's dubaloos in 2018. but anyway.
17:14 jurov BingoBoingo: I'm more likely to bid on smaller amounts, 500 wff is fine. Maybe you can split the sum into several auctions.
17:15 jurov If it's worth the clutter.
17:15 mircea_popescu the thing with price signals is that they get more precise the more bidders, not necessarily the larger chunk.
17:15 mircea_popescu a $100 bill on which 3 people bid is likely to sell closer to true value than a 2000 chunk on which there's 1 bid.
17:16 mircea_popescu so in this sense, entirely nothing is lost making them smaller for as long as it improves participation
17:19 shinohai http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-09#1894458 <<< I'm working on a simple trilema.com search function, lemme know if you'd like to see a demo.
17:19 a111 Logged on 2019-02-09 19:04 mircea_popescu: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/blog/bcinfobot.html << anyone want his bot in here ?
17:21 mircea_popescu sure.
17:28 BingoBoingo jurov: My disinclination to committing to splitting chunks and putting them all up for auction here comes from those times the local liquidity is more generous than the grizzled veterans bidding here. For the two reasons of prudence with Pizarro's capital and the cause of continuing to spread Bitcoin's corruption... the local market can't be ignored.
17:29 BingoBoingo On the other hand there is also the case where, when the datacenter is ready to be paid again, a flurry of undersized payments is likely to lead them to WTF. Further the local liquidity hits a bigger buy/sell spread with the volume the datacenter's monthly requirements demand (And then there are the consequences if third party fails to pay the datacenter to spec).
17:30 shinohai !!up bcinfobot
17:30 deedbot bcinfobot voiced for 30 minutes.
17:31 shinohai !~trilema sluts
17:31 bcinfobot http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/vMssB/?raw=true
17:33 mircea_popescu shinohai select query returns 67 rows. what's this do, basically google ?
17:33 shinohai It uses ddg api
17:33 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo defo you don't want to chunk up the dc payments
17:34 BingoBoingo Reluctant to take them out of WoT as well
17:46 mod6 http://blog.mod6.net/?p=42 << Ok, I've got that blog post up.
17:46 mod6 I've got to go do some snow removal, will be back in a bit.
17:47 feedbot http://blog.mod6.net/?p=42 << mod6's Blog -- A Cuntoo Adventure
17:48 mod6 oh hey, i guess i was added to the roll.
17:48 mod6 aight bbl.
17:50 trinque great! so lilo worked, and your kernel config was busted.
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17:50 trinque lilo's work is done the moment the linux kernel starts coughing up logs
17:50 * trinque leaves a comment
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18:14 trinque mod6: http://blog.mod6.net/?p=42&cpage=1#comment-8
18:18 trinque at any rate, don't trash your computer just yet!
18:32 BingoBoingo mod6: Please on your blog go into the settings and change the number urls to human readable urls before it is too late and you are stuck in the trap asciilifeform is
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18:33 BingoBoingo Your blog is young, if you wait the pain only grows
18:33 * BingoBoingo adds "human readable urls" to mp-wp setup steps
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18:35 trinque iirc the old ones all work if you change it
18:37 BingoBoingo The do on the same wp-database, yes
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18:56 mod6 trinque: thank you for your comment; will respond when I can gather up some more info.
18:57 mod6 BingoBoingo: what is meant by 'human readable'? I can mouse over them and they seem to be correct.
18:58 BingoBoingo mod6: In terms of ?p=42 versus a string composed of words with maybe some numbers corresponsiding to a date
18:59 BingoBoingo You can set this at /wp-admin/options-permalink.php for your blog's domain
18:59 mod6 hmm, ok.
19:00 lobbes see also: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/06/mein-kompendium-mp-wp/#selection-317.0-317.46
19:00 mod6 can this be set in the admin-thingy? or does this have to be straight into the PHP?
19:01 BingoBoingo mod6: From the admin-thingy
19:02 mod6 Settings->Permalink Settings->Month and name (radio button) looks like.
19:02 BingoBoingo Aha, any of those work
19:03 mod6 ok, that blog post is now: http://blog.mod6.net/2019/02/a-cuntoo-adventure
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19:03 mod6 cheers, bbl.
19:03 BingoBoingo Thank you o7
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20:18 hanbot !!key ave1
20:18 deedbot http://wot.deedbot.org/57EE94EA6F2049A47DAFA8568F4CE8F777BC59F9.asc
20:28 lobbes http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894807 << verily. And not even necessarily rocks he hit, but also rocks avoided that less experienced folx may hit (for e.g., I have never debugged a kernel before. Now, when my time to do that comes I know I can check http://blog.mod6.net/2019/02/a-cuntoo-adventure/ to re-read how mod6 did it).
20:28 a111 Logged on 2019-02-10 21:14 BingoBoingo: For my own selfish reasons I want to see what you hit your head on, because there is a very real chance when I go to try things I will also hit my head on the same rocks
20:28 lobbes And the utility of reporting applies to oneself too; even though my flailings in http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/01/initial-cuntoo-testing/ may not be of use to anyone else, -I- now have a ready history of wtf I was thinking/doing years down the line, from which to diff
20:33 lobbes btw, I managed to finally get a handrolled heathen gentoo installed the other day (my first one ever). Still wrestling with getting networking functional, but once I do I'ma get vtools set up, and then give the cuntoo bootstrap.sh another spin
20:33 hanbot diana_coman fwiw i ran into a few broken internal links on ossasepia today on account of their still pointing to dianacoman.com, see http://ossasepia.com/2018/03/08/eucrypt-compilation-sheet/ fo' instance.
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20:53 feedbot http://bingology.net/2019/02/11/just-about-everything-i-grew-up-understanding-to-be-normal-is-a-recent-invention/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Just About Everything I Grew Up Understanding To Be Normal Is A Recent Invention
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21:34 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894867 << is it clear which kernels work or what exactly as of yet ?
21:34 a111 Logged on 2019-02-10 22:50 trinque: great! so lilo worked, and your kernel config was busted.
21:34 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894872 << he's not trapped, he could change them today to no ill effect. he just opts to be irrationally weird about it.
21:34 a111 Logged on 2019-02-10 23:32 BingoBoingo: mod6: Please on your blog go into the settings and change the number urls to human readable urls before it is too late and you are stuck in the trap asciilifeform is
21:38 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i dunlike shit urls anymoar than anyone else, it's down there on conveyor , somewhere below the various roaring fires
21:38 mircea_popescu alrighty then
21:38 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894755 << ty diana_coman , got it, will report when replicated
21:38 a111 Logged on 2019-02-10 20:31 diana_coman: asciilifeform, and anyone else interested in testing Ada's failure to abort, minimal test setup: ossasepia.com/available_resources/test_tasks_ada.zip
21:39 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894874 << you know, you ~could~ just alter the setup yourself, make a patch or such.
21:39 a111 Logged on 2019-02-10 23:33 BingoBoingo adds "human readable urls" to mp-wp setup steps
21:39 mircea_popescu make the /year/slug format the default an' be done with it.
21:39 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re 'which kernels work?' : this is a++ q, but sadly incomplete, instead q is always 'which kernels for on $iron'
21:40 asciilifeform for instance asciilifeform has a known-working config for all dulap-like boxen; presently in use by diana_coman on iirc both diana_coman units; another for rkisms
21:40 mircea_popescu anything, really.
21:40 asciilifeform i regret to inform that i do not have a config that works on 'anythings'
21:40 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The default in the recipe has changed going forward after a bit of reflection reveals it was my failing
21:40 mircea_popescu "we have so far tried : X (a, b, c works), Y (b, d), Z (a, c, e). let us know if you try more please."
21:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i mean "any information whatsoever."
21:41 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847310 re earlier.
21:41 a111 Logged on 2018-09-04 14:50 mircea_popescu: alright. so basically, we have a july latest-kernel from alf at http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/conf_current.conf << diana_coman trinque erryone else interested read and see if it works for you / comment ?
21:41 mircea_popescu aha.
21:41 asciilifeform ( i keep it updated also, it is current as of the last rebuild )
21:42 mircea_popescu but that's just straight up a binary. and if you keep it updated, guess what, it's a ~changing~ binary.
21:42 asciilifeform the linked item is a text conf
21:42 mircea_popescu oh oh.
21:43 asciilifeform recently as experiment i build a 'latest' kernel with it; and it required curing ! lemme dig up thread :
21:43 mircea_popescu # Linux/x86 4.9.76-gentoo-r1 Kernel Configuration
21:43 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-19#1888343 << thrd
21:43 a111 Logged on 2019-01-19 17:56 asciilifeform: briefly revisiting the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-18#1888182 find : 'CONFIG_RETPOLINE=n' yields a working kernel (with gcc 4.x), for nao.
21:43 mircea_popescu CONFIG_64BIT=y CONFIG_X86_64=y CONFIG_X86=y << always a pleasure to read these.
21:43 asciilifeform the 'official' kernel is headed straight to bottom of the sea.
21:44 asciilifeform already beginning to tip, like titanic, and blowing horn one final time.
21:45 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's a reasonably compact kernel, to support various items currently in standard use, raid card, FG serial dongles, iptables.
21:46 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah, and has to set things nine different times because reasons. CONFIG_NORLYNOT32BiT=y #(note the i in there!)
21:46 asciilifeform all currently fielded asciilifeform kernels are small variations on that 1.
21:46 mod6 I can give it a try and report back on this as well. I have a couple of things to investigate for trinque first though.
21:47 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: good % of the flagolade is auto-set by the configurator, it's not exactly a civilized product
21:47 mircea_popescu aha.
21:47 asciilifeform ( afaik the last 'fits-in-head' kernel was 1.sumthing... )
21:48 trinque any chance of mechanically ripping the source out for anything set to "N", or did progress shit all over any hope
21:48 * trinque has not looked into this deeply
21:48 asciilifeform trinque: betcha it's actually doable
21:48 asciilifeform tho not necessarily mechanically, lotsa 'spaghetti' interwound liquishit in'ere.
21:48 mircea_popescu it might be doable if one is found to shit a weekend babying a machine.
21:49 asciilifeform optimistically
21:49 asciilifeform prolly moar like a yr+ of weekend.
21:49 mircea_popescu well, after the first one in much better position for guess.
21:49 asciilifeform ( consider how long took to clean , to reasonable level of non-sepsis, trb -- a 200x smaller product )
21:52 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894768 << nao if only ocr actually worked. ( asciilifeform admits, never had much enthusiasm for 'let's preserve gutenberg' on acct of most of it being ~unreadable, even the orig jpegs or whatnot are often '90s-quality and wtf to do with'em but throw out, and ditto the text )
21:52 a111 Logged on 2019-02-10 20:51 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894713 << i specifically don't even WANT the "rich media" / dvds / epubs / pdfs / whatever bullshit. i don't even want their pagelong blathers about how all-important inca is or whatever shit.
21:53 asciilifeform nao, http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892273 is ~also~ ocr'd! but the mistakes are ppm level, not '3 per para'. reason for this is that the ru folx ~actually fucking read~
21:53 a111 Logged on 2019-02-04 16:41 asciilifeform: http://flibusta.is is asciilifeform's routine 'gutenberg', been a while since i looked at the actual one
21:54 mircea_popescu omfg Mocky_ how do i link to a specific comment on your site!111
21:54 asciilifeform the anglosads, near as i can tell, scanning in their shakspeares and... never touched again.
21:55 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The solution to OCR is castle scribes spending man centuries, as mircea_popescu is deploying with Bimbo
21:55 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the other solution is that the folx who did the orig scan actually give half a shit and proofread. but this is evidently not ever happening in anglostan outside of dedicated effort like mircea_popescu's
21:56 BingoBoingo Too much to scan
21:56 mircea_popescu check out that horror, <div class="exampleblock"> <div class="content"> <div class="dlist"> <dl> <dt class="hdlist1">. and of course i can't use #hdlist1 because all comments are hdlist1.
21:56 mircea_popescu what am i gonna do now, exclude linking him cuz admin reasons ? scandal!
21:56 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: flibusta mirror was ~100G last i looked. of ~ascii text~ .
21:56 asciilifeform not pdf, not ??? , etc
21:57 asciilifeform ( well technically 'koi' txt, but still , txt, not bitmapolade )
21:57 asciilifeform diff is, those b00kz, from marshak's transl of shakespeare to the lowest pulp liquishits, ~get read~
21:58 mircea_popescu asciilifeform only reason they scan in "their" shakespears WHICH NEVER WERE NOR WILL EVER BE THEIRS, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-09#1711670 africans as they are, is so that they can add their self-important vomit up top. "copyrights blablabla" didntcha know.
21:58 a111 Logged on 2017-09-09 18:34 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-09#1711610 << loller. shakespeare, one of the oldest and most established audre lorde
21:58 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: these dun exist in the ru warez libs either
21:58 asciilifeform no 'headers', no copyrasty garbage.
21:58 asciilifeform goes straight to pg.1.
21:58 mircea_popescu right ? which is exactly all the proof i need.
21:59 mircea_popescu only reason ustard has book in library is as a pedestal for his tupperware sales pitch.
21:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this goes way back. lemme dig up a recently-found sad :
22:00 asciilifeform recently asciilifeform wanted to quote from s. brant's 16th c. lul 'narrenschiff'. mega-longseller-bestseller in all of europistan, incl. su. so went 'hrm, iirc there's an english'. guess what found ? http://www.gutenberg.org/files/20179/20179-h/20179-h.htm
22:00 asciilifeform ^ not only encrusted with gutenbergism, but quarter meg from orig 16th derp !
22:01 asciilifeform and the 'translation' -- ain't
22:01 asciilifeform it is clear that barclay didn't know a word of orig de !!
22:01 asciilifeform someone summarized for him, and he shat out a 'cliffs notes'
22:01 mircea_popescu heh
22:01 asciilifeform and added buncha rubbish, like ' praises of the "noble Henry which now departed late'
22:02 asciilifeform aand 'Of predestinacyon.'
22:02 asciilifeform and 9000 other ???wtfomfg.
22:02 asciilifeform the fucktards had 'gutenberg quality'... in 1500s!!!
22:02 mircea_popescu anglotards. not spontaneously generated, no.
22:02 asciilifeform this was so depressing, i did not even put in log
22:03 asciilifeform but nao i gotta, because it is exactly apropos
22:03 * mircea_popescu gives up, links mocky's whole article instead of intended comment.
22:03 mircea_popescu IF YOU LOVE ME YOU NEVER FORCE ME TO DO THIS SORTA THING!!!
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22:04 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: See http://trilema.com/2015/ok-so-what-is-bitcoin-disrupting/#selection-313.0-313.284
22:05 mircea_popescu word!
22:13 asciilifeform diana_coman et al : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4SpwP/?raw=true << built, replicated test jig; i'ma lay the thing out on vivisection table properly after sleep ( spent today , among other things, fixing a furnace, bent wrists out , gotta let'em snap back )
22:15 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-11#1894887 << i have not forgotten you, mod6 ! will grant wishes in the order lamp was rubbed, promise
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22:15 a111 Logged on 2019-02-11 00:03 mod6: ok, that blog post is now: http://blog.mod6.net/2019/02/a-cuntoo-adventure
22:16 * mircea_popescu publishes, then goes to look at spamtrap, there's EIGHTEEN items in it. "hory shit my spamthing finally croaked?!"
22:16 mircea_popescu nope... it's just bingo hitting it hard.
22:17 mircea_popescu (but, in other good news, your pingback thing also works fine.)
22:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: a++ plantator hat
22:17 mircea_popescu innit tho!
22:18 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> (but, in other good news, your pingback thing also works fine.) << ty, Lardner set me on a re-reading binge
22:18 mircea_popescu people HERE fcuking love it. bought an armful of roses few days ago, dood selling it was like "that's a great hat, mr! say, when you're done with it, don't throw it out, throw it at me, i'd love to have it."
22:20 * asciilifeform bbl , horizontal
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22:42 mircea_popescu trinque is it actually the case that cuntoo can't boot off a non-first drive ? if so easy enough to check.
22:53 trinque yeah, I'm specifying root=/dev/sda3 in lilo; whereas if I specified root=UUID=D9FCABCA-1F52-4A84-9CB8-4898F8DEC6AE, oughta be able to boot properly even if drive enumeration changes. that'd be nice for the infectious/reproductive angle later.
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22:55 mircea_popescu oh damn.
22:55 mircea_popescu well then of fucking course it can't find a sda3 that doesn't exist, he needs sda2 or w/e ?
22:55 mircea_popescu "kernel is bad" in the sense of beign very bad for being somewher eentirely else.
22:56 trinque if it's the case that he left it as an external usb disk, looks like kernel didn't know the disk was there, so the kernel he builds would have to know of the usb chip he has.
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22:57 mircea_popescu aha.
22:57 trinque but even if the kernel knew it was there, if that disk wasn't "sda", nah, wouldn't work. this didn't stick out at me because "bootstrapper" grew out of my own tooling for stamping out an internal boot disk for new machine.
22:57 mircea_popescu well at least this got somewhere. mod6 does the ^ make sense ?
23:01 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo different different metals ; count take them ; become and exercise ; against which the rest of the world moves against ; punative prison ; human chattle ; become and entrenched
23:14 BingoBoingo ty, fxd
23:23 BingoBoingo Comment replied to as well
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