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00:18 shinohai !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Nt4yV/?raw=true
00:18 jhvh1 shinohai: The operation succeeded.
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00:36 BingoBoingo http://epmonthly.com/article/motovs-cocktails-sub-dissociative-ketamine/
00:43 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: brought to you by the same 400 yr puritan blight as 'graham cracker' ( look it up, the original ~deliberately designed~ shitfood , for mortification-of-the-flesh )
00:45 asciilifeform 'sub-dissociative' nonsense, yes, for you an' me; opio-cocainiferous goodness by the gigatonne, until head explodes, if he wants, for lizardman.
00:47 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-18#722630 << see also thread.
00:47 a111 Logged on 2014-06-18 00:36 asciilifeform: interestingly, sometimes the pharma folks fail: they spent some years trying to cough up a dopamine reuptake inhibitor that doesn't reduce to a synthetic cocaine, and, afaik, gave up
00:49 asciilifeform anything, anything at all to keep idiots buying 100k$ plastic porsche.
00:50 asciilifeform mustn't permit cheap , satisfying pharmasuicide to compete on level market with expensive, frustrating, slow konsoomer-goodz-suicide.
00:52 asciilifeform if a civilization can't win against dope od in an ~even~ match, it belongs in /dev/null.
00:53 ben_vulpes what would winning against an od look like?
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00:53 BingoBoingo Lizards are vulnerable to accidental dope OD too
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00:54 BingoBoingo Anyways how would the CIA lizards have any money at all without their trafficking business
00:56 mod6 asciilifeform: related, http://www.fox9.com/news/252863748-story
00:59 mod6 lol, "nuke this box 4 me!!1"
00:59 mod6 "kthxbye"
01:00 mod6 lmao
01:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform actually the premise for civilisation competing with dope od is finally here. prior to recently, the dorks were still needed for muscular power -- first, brute, then, finely controled by a cns, primitive as it was.
01:03 mircea_popescu but these days, even the fine motor control of hominid ain't worth jack. and so...
01:05 mircea_popescu but this promises to be yet another pandora box. obviously and of course.
01:06 BingoBoingo <mod6> asciilifeform: related, http://www.fox9.com/news/252863748-story << TORTILLA!!!
01:06 mircea_popescu in any case, a civilisation is not a sort of supermarket leaflet, to be judged by how well and how thoroughly it satisfies your perceived needs.
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08:42 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-09#1653756 << well noshit.jpg, it motors along whether the inmates like it or not
08:42 a111 Logged on 2017-05-09 05:06 mircea_popescu: in any case, a civilisation is not a sort of supermarket leaflet, to be judged by how well and how thoroughly it satisfies your perceived needs.
08:42 asciilifeform but it is still possible to observe that it -- preoccupied with plugging whatever escape holes -- is in fact of 'gulag' type
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08:44 asciilifeform whereas even in recent past, say 19th c britain, crown did not give half a fuck if you preferred opium to society. or whether you wanted to get on a boat and never be met with again, etc.
08:48 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-09#1653745 << it looks like self circa 1890s. when, e.g., opium, cocaine, were sold in corner shop, and most folx in fact had ~better things to do~ than to take'em
08:48 a111 Logged on 2017-05-09 04:53 ben_vulpes: what would winning against an od look like?
08:49 asciilifeform *selfsame
08:52 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-09#1653746 << lizards are for practical purposes ~immortal , but they do sometimes die of ennui. sometimes this takes the form of dope od.
08:52 a111 Logged on 2017-05-09 04:53 BingoBoingo: Lizards are vulnerable to accidental dope OD too
08:54 asciilifeform incidentally, happy apple-conclusively-failing-to-buy-russia-in-'45 day, folxx.
08:56 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-09#1653759 << no, no. the sad fact of the matter is that what people want is without exception stupid and harmful. not even one, both. a functional civilisation provides people with a good story as to why they're getting something other than what they want. whether what they actually get happens to also be a) what they actually need, as opposed to $random ; b) actually competitive with the vario
08:56 a111 Logged on 2017-05-09 12:42 asciilifeform: but it is still possible to observe that it -- preoccupied with plugging whatever escape holes -- is in fact of 'gulag' type
08:56 mircea_popescu us environment threats, such as you know, other civilisations, volcanoes and aliens landing is entirely up for grabs. these points make the good/bad adequate/inadequate distinction, not whether the "inmates" "like" it in their "hearts of hearts". for one thing they're not inmates, lacking the capacity of outmating ; for the other thing they can't like and for the third they've no heart of hearts.
08:57 asciilifeform how not inmates ?
08:57 mircea_popescu they can't be not-inmates.
08:58 asciilifeform every once in a while, somebody breaks out, neh
08:58 mircea_popescu yes. and every once in a while one gets hallucinations.
08:58 mircea_popescu pathology is no basis for anthropology.
08:59 asciilifeform prison is not part of man's physiology either, and escape is not pathology, wtf
08:59 mircea_popescu monkeys are social rather than solitary. this goes with "have two limbs and opposable thumbs". how exactly they make use of those limbs or invest that sociality is also up for grabs, but doesn't speak to the principle.
08:59 mircea_popescu asciilifeform your definition of prison === human condition.
08:59 asciilifeform a stock monkey troupe is < 300.
09:00 mircea_popescu sure. we weren't discussing prison size.
09:02 mircea_popescu if your theory of man had any feet, solitary confinment weren't regarded as the mother of all torture. physiologically, people lose their minds. maybe you or i wouldn't care, or maybe we think so in our ridiculous, adolescentine misapprehension. but this anecdote doesn't do much.
09:03 asciilifeform can't say until i try it, lol
09:04 asciilifeform it is possible that solitary prisoners go mad from simple boredom. notice that nobody is ever imprisoned in a library.
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09:05 asciilifeform to insist that it is from 'lack of company' always , is disingenuous.
09:06 mircea_popescu afaik they get a book a week or some shit, i dunno, haven't followed.
09:06 mircea_popescu it's not implemented by the batiscaphe, at least not usually.
09:06 asciilifeform in american supermax they, iirc, do not
09:07 asciilifeform stone oubliette-with-food.
09:07 mircea_popescu still, the boredom angle... let them prove all the theorems yes ?
09:07 asciilifeform hard without paper.
09:07 mircea_popescu i guess.
09:07 asciilifeform you get the scenario in 'chess novella' - madness.
09:08 mircea_popescu truth be told, the human brain isn't either intented or designed to exceed 30 years of continuous abuse.
09:08 mircea_popescu people go mad with age anyway.
09:09 asciilifeform follows 'bathtub curve', like every other wear part.
09:11 mircea_popescu apparently they can even make phone calls o.O
09:11 mircea_popescu can also get... television. gimme a break.
09:11 asciilifeform to usg lawyer, lol
09:12 mircea_popescu and no, definitely can get books. apparently no actual limit, either! mostly because... nobody ever fucking wants any.
09:12 mircea_popescu dude americans are weird.
09:12 * asciilifeform skeptical of these supposed features
09:13 asciilifeform but kakzynsky did manage to get hold of paper, there's that.
09:13 mircea_popescu can get family visits! "o noes, it's through phone/plastic windows!!"
09:13 phf` the one dude who reads through chemistry textbook in solitary also probably doesn't make the headlines of "horrors of solitary"
09:13 asciilifeform supposedly. i must admit some disbelief.
09:14 mircea_popescu it seems rather certain at this point that us "SHU" ~= being locked in library.
09:14 mircea_popescu that nobody makes use of the library part seems rather a comment on the nobody.
09:15 asciilifeform or that the other subtle torments dissolve the man. e.g. what they feed him, or the light that never goes off, or guard waking up hourly at night.
09:15 mircea_popescu i dunno about the last point. they used to pay someone for just that, in the middle ages.
09:16 mircea_popescu but yes, i expect prison food is a shade below rather than a shade above what they feed the cattle normally at the mall food court.
09:17 mircea_popescu strangely enough, none of the people i knew in jail ever complained.
09:17 mircea_popescu nor, come to think of it, wanted books.
09:17 phf` !#s prison spread
09:17 a111 4 results for "prison spread", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=prison%20spread
09:17 mircea_popescu cigarettes, yes.
09:17 mircea_popescu whores, if at all possible, definitely.
09:17 mircea_popescu a steak ? can't recall. gardner's math amusements ? nope.
09:18 asciilifeform phun phakt: no cigs in usg fed prison
09:18 mircea_popescu well my experience is ancient and from outside the best korea
09:18 mircea_popescu phf` seems you have an interest in the item ?
09:19 mircea_popescu "cuizine" lol. promising start.
09:20 mircea_popescu "Quite frankly some of the tastiest food I have ever eaten was cooked in the microwave by inmates." o brother.
09:21 phf` i find it both fascinating and horrifying
09:21 mircea_popescu see, alfie ? social behaviour. the dude will gladly state a nonsense to the outgroup (us) to gratify the ingroup. he's not even a part of it notably, but he aspires to see himself and hopes to be seen by us as if he were.
09:21 mircea_popescu he'll oppress his own tastebuds gleefully for this purpose.
09:22 asciilifeform link?
09:22 mircea_popescu phf` discorsi da letto, no more.
09:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's in phf's search.
09:22 * asciilifeform looks
09:22 mircea_popescu o look, squeeze cheese. ever more promising.
09:26 mircea_popescu wtf is with all the ramen anyway. they've no pasta where these people live ?
09:31 mircea_popescu speaking of this, here's something to piss alf off in so many ways :
09:31 mircea_popescu http://www.npr.org/2010/04/06/125630808/orange-is-the-new-black-in-federal-womens-prison
09:32 asciilifeform this was famous
09:32 mircea_popescu ah ok then
09:35 mircea_popescu ahahaha. really, chicks in female jail pretend to be butch for money ?
09:35 mircea_popescu i dun see it.
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10:08 mircea_popescu "Mix a can of Cherry Dr. Pepper with instant coffee, cocoa, cappuccino mix, a carton of milk, and some leftover sugar packets to make a drink that tastes as close to cognac as you will get in prison."
10:08 mircea_popescu bwhahaha.
10:08 mircea_popescu gimme a break, anyone who's someone can get a bottle or two of whatever they like. wtf.
10:12 asciilifeform most prisoners ain't 'somebodies'
10:13 mircea_popescu i suppose the keyword being "you".
10:15 mircea_popescu anyway. this phf` - enabled short survey through the us penitentiary culture leaves me unimpressed. not much of a culture, is it.
10:16 mircea_popescu then again fwih ru prisons also went to shit. all hope left is i guess brazil ?
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10:55 asciilifeform hope for what?
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11:30 asciilifeform https://archive.is/LKDqw << in other lulz.
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12:03 trinque ever closer to the goo-tube life
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13:09 asciilifeform in other lolmatics, https://archive.is/MVqGZ >> 'As bitcoin rises, Mt Gox approaches solvency (vs. claims). Now Reddit users are asking @MagicalTux to reopen. They even new designed logos.'
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14:28 mircea_popescu reddit users were rendered obsolete by "ai" back in the days of minsky.
14:30 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i've known gents who genuinely preferred living in prison you understand.
14:30 asciilifeform i believe !
14:30 mircea_popescu all hope for noretard area.
14:31 asciilifeform i'm neither solzhenitsyn, nor even weev, but would seem to me that this'd depend ~entirely on the other jailbirds
14:32 phf` “One day Trurl decided to build a reddit user, but he was afraid that Minsky was going to built one before him. Meanwhile Minsky was building a reddit user of his own, and was trying to hide him from Trurl. etc.
14:32 asciilifeform lol!!
14:32 asciilifeform then klapaucius unplugged the lispm.
14:33 mircea_popescu lol kharm lives!
14:33 asciilifeform lem
14:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform thing is, loser jailbirds get killed in normal prison.
14:33 mircea_popescu so you can actually end up with selected space where, to quote in translation, "with any luck i can go an entire week without drinking after an idiot"
14:34 asciilifeform ideal
14:34 asciilifeform in practice you get, e.g., 'bitch wars'
14:34 mircea_popescu you only get bitch wars when there's a ww2.
14:35 mircea_popescu if the dorks outside don't slosh too hard, what're you gonna get.
14:35 mircea_popescu some fucking peace and quiet.
14:38 mircea_popescu and for the record i've not that much respect for solzhenitsyn. yes, very accomplished child, child nevertheless. so he famously went and told mommy things and mommy really cared. good for the fucking tuna ; meanwhile what the fuck is he to know about the point in discussion.
14:38 mircea_popescu alt-language orwell.
14:38 asciilifeform i have 0 respect.
14:38 asciilifeform but mega-classic of prison lit, forced to #include him.
14:39 mircea_popescu the item was not yet borne into being that'll force me to include anything. he's welcome to figure prominently in any she-anglotard "story of prison".
14:39 mircea_popescu doesn't really have much to do with either prison, or my book.
14:40 asciilifeform afaik d00d lied strictly re political, rather than mechanical, details.
14:41 mircea_popescu the contention is that he wasn't in any position to understand the working of the mechanical details, for all the shit between his eyes.
14:41 mircea_popescu orwell, technically, was physically present in india the dominion. similarly, failed to understand the working of the mechanical details, similarily for all the shit between the eyes : more committed to not admitting he's a shithead than to understanding anything.
14:42 asciilifeform is it given to anyone to properly grasp the mechanics of the selfsame woodchipper he is being ground in ?
14:52 mircea_popescu perhaps.
14:53 mircea_popescu sir thomas more may well be a sufficient example.
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15:27 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/05/nuclear-waste-storage-tunnel-collapses-at-hanford-site/ << Qntra - Nuclear Waste Storage Tunnel Collapses At Hanford Site
~ 22 minutes ~
15:50 mircea_popescu did they catch the homeless dude responsible or still shopping around ?
15:56 BingoBoingo It's too be determined
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16:42 asciilifeform meanwhile, moar sneakpreviewz, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/nDBmf/?raw=true .
16:43 asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/QJ4Tm/?raw=true << 'os'
16:45 mircea_popescu and to continue the penitentiary discussion : i don't seem to see all the fuckwits insisting that black dudes being jailed constitutes some kind of racism etc notice that a) google will serve you the "37% non-hispanic blacks" figure on a search for "us inmate population by gender" front and center, because who cares what you're actually searching for, have some nigger figures in any case and b) there's only 12k women for 175k
16:45 mircea_popescu men in the federal system.
16:46 asciilifeform 12k women for 175k << lol noshit.jpg
16:46 mircea_popescu this DOESN'T constitute some sort of misandrism, and it's NOT time to change the laws to you know, punish more girly shit ? how about 5 years in jail for watching netflix without a partner, speaking in a shirll tone, being fat or being obnoxious ? and striking male crimes suck as you know, fucking, from the books ?
16:46 asciilifeform !~google glass cellar
16:46 jhvh1 asciilifeform: What do feminists think about the ' glass cellar '? - Quora: <https://www.quora.com/What-do-feminists-think-about-the-glass-cellar>; Who cares if men are stuck in a glass cellar ? (They can change the ...: <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2146979/Who-cares-men-stuck-glass-cellar--They-change-bulb-theyre-there.html>; Glass cellar vs Glass ceiling (85% of the worst rated jobs are held by ...: (1 more message)
16:47 asciilifeform ^ the reddit folx had a word.
16:47 mircea_popescu i would say that in order to rectify historical injustices, there's strict need for about
16:47 mircea_popescu !~calc 175 * 175 / 12
16:47 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: 175 * 175 / 12 = 2552.083333333333
16:47 mircea_popescu about 2.55mn women in jail by fall, to sit there two or three decades at the latest.
16:48 mircea_popescu start giving them six months for going around dressed and obnoxious shit like that, i say.
16:51 mircea_popescu and if anyone has any objections, hey! "don't do the crime if you can't do the time" or how did the http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/niggers-rights-by-randall-munroe-560x570.png bullshit go.
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18:58 * mircea_popescu enjoyed reading the sage faq.
19:05 mod6 hai
19:07 mod6 asciilifeform: thanks for sharin'
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19:43 shinohai !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/OFXJB/?raw=true
19:43 jhvh1 shinohai: The operation succeeded.
19:48 mod6 Here's the results from the first entropy collection from FG #4: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg4.ent_run1.txt http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg4.dieharder_run1.txt
19:49 mod6 Here's the results from the second entropy collection from FG #4: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg4.ent_run2.txt http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg4.dieharder_run2.txt
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20:40 mircea_popescu nice
20:41 mircea_popescu meanwhile in pointless selfies trying to pretend like they're participation and message-y and whatnot, https://68.media.tumblr.com/672f03fddc8bd7293e7b6da7414d9bfb/tumblr_ntrixopVy91s3qr6wo1_1280.jpg
20:50 asciilifeform mod6, mircea_popescu : no word from the dh d00d, eh
20:50 asciilifeform i dun expect he'll ever write back
20:50 mircea_popescu who ?
20:50 asciilifeform author of 'dieharder'
20:51 mircea_popescu no word. who knows.
20:52 mircea_popescu honestly, from the past few years of involvement with "software engineers", i can squarely say i have no fucking idea what goes on in their heads, but if it came to light they're just randomly squirming like froglegs on electric plating i wouldn't be much surprised.
20:52 mircea_popescu there doesn't seem to be more rhyme or reason behind their decisions / behaviours / choices / "engineering" generally speaking than behind movement of clouds.
20:54 mircea_popescu for all i know dood hasn't even found that clicking plate with square nubbins on it for the past eight months.
20:55 asciilifeform !~google sage smartprobe
20:55 jhvh1 asciilifeform: Loper OS » A Complete Pill for the Sage SmartProbe .: <http://www.loper-os.org/%3Fp%3D1667>; Loper OS » Sage SmartProbe FAQ: <http://www.loper-os.org/%3Fp%3D1887>; Loper OS » The Care and Feeding of the Sage SmartProbe .: <http://www.loper-os.org/%3Fp%3D1821>
20:55 asciilifeform hah.
20:55 mircea_popescu lol. nice.
20:55 asciilifeform took this long for ~all mention of the original to fade away...
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21:36 asciilifeform in other lulz : https://smpake.com/tmp/1494143304871.jpg
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22:02 shinohai http://archive.is/LuqoC <<< Trumpgate!
22:02 asciilifeform 'President Trump fired FBI Director James B. Comey on Tuesday, at the recommendation of senior Justice Department officials who said he had treated Hillary Clinton unfairly and in doing so damaged the credibility of the FBI and the Justice Department.' << lol!
22:04 asciilifeform from same rag, 'President Trump’s sudden removal of James B. Comey as director of the FBI sparked immediate fears among legislators and others that the bureau’s probe into possible collusion between the Kremlin and the Trump campaign might be upended now that Trump himself can handpick its new supervisor.'
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22:41 mircea_popescu heh
22:42 mircea_popescu it really sucks being old dunnit
22:43 shinohai Getting older means an increase in burbujas after midnite.
22:44 mircea_popescu and a decrease in burbujas between teh legs.
22:44 mod6 <+asciilifeform> mod6, mircea_popescu : no word from the dh d00d, eh << tbh, I haven't even reached out myself yet.
22:44 mod6 I was going to finish all the tests, compile some info, then if he still hadn't written to us or shown up here, I'd write him.
22:44 mircea_popescu go for it, what can it hurt
22:44 mod6 exactly.
22:45 asciilifeform link him plox to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-26#1647896 .
22:45 a111 Logged on 2017-04-26 01:39 asciilifeform: imho it ought to return an ~algo~ for attempting a better-than-chance prediction of nth bit, given n;
22:49 mod6 yah, I think it's a good conversation
23:00 asciilifeform soooo mod6 tried to post a pgp-signed comment in my www
23:00 asciilifeform and it gets 1) BAD SIG when verified from paste from www
23:00 asciilifeform 2) GOOD sig when verified from paste from COMMENT EDITOR
23:00 asciilifeform 3) NULL DIFF b/w the two pastes if pasted into emacs each !!!
23:01 asciilifeform NULL, motherfucker, diff.
23:01 mod6 This is the actual pgp clearsigned data: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9AAL7/?raw=true
23:01 mod6 I paste into comments section on loper, doesn't verify.
23:02 asciilifeform except of course not null, but EACH TIME RANDOM place has extra space.
23:02 asciilifeform because ??!!!.
23:03 mod6 weird.
23:04 mod6 I wrapped with <pre></pre> tags.. i feel like somewhere a \n got snarffed or something
23:07 mod6 it's gotta be browser related. if you copied the PGP signed data out of the database comments field or what not, and it was ok, then ok. may not mangled. but perhaps the browser does some weird formatting hijinx and that's fuckin us up.
23:07 mod6 i dunno, maybe not.
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23:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform notice trilema doesn't suffer from same problem ; read mp-wp ; live happily ever after.
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23:56 mod6 <+asciilifeform> NULL, motherfucker, diff. << does vdiff give different output hashes?
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