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05:11 ave1 trinque, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-12#1833848, working on it but this is going slowly (so not very soon)
05:11 a111 Logged on 2018-07-12 15:14 trinque: ave1: how far away is bit-identical build in your gcc?
05:14 ave1 btw the most recent version will only build static executables! so no support for shared anything. Does the musl / gentoo overlay depend on shared libs? (Python usually builds statically and depends for installable modules on it, etc.)
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10:05 mod6 mornin'
10:09 BingoBoingo Mornin
10:15 mod6 How goes today?
10:20 shinohai gm mod6, BingoBoingo .... #trilema at large
10:22 mod6 hey shinohai, how's it goin?
10:22 asciilifeform ohai shinohai !
10:22 asciilifeform shinohai: wb
10:22 asciilifeform shinohai: i've been enjoying your www
10:27 shinohai ah ty asciilifeform ... been busy with irl stuffs but hope to resume shortly.
10:27 shinohai goes well mod6 and u?
10:28 shinohai im following the rockchip stuff and been meaning to put my logbot in there
10:28 asciilifeform shinohai: issued 1st cuntoo box to pizarro customer the other day ( see l0gz )
10:28 asciilifeform shinohai: otherwise pretty busy, currently with ffa reignition
10:29 shinohai read that this morning with coffee, nice worx
10:30 shinohai i almost got one of trinques cuntoo's to build for mips64 to run on erl xD
10:30 asciilifeform shinohai: almost ? what was the obstacle ?
10:32 mod6 <+shinohai> goes well mod6 and u? << oh not bad, busy asf.
10:32 shinohai my obstacle is that erl has trouble reading some usb drives, gotta get another sandisk
10:33 asciilifeform shinohai: iirc it has a very modest max current, you need a small/slow drive, like the vendor's original
10:33 shinohai but it is tucked in neat beside the pogoplug, still chugging along and rsyncing blocks
10:33 shinohai the vendor original is shite ... literally
10:33 asciilifeform it is, but worx for so long as you dun write to it, lol
10:34 shinohai well of course lel
10:34 shinohai but still a neat box all in all for things like fw on cheap
10:35 asciilifeform shinohai: mine's been running ye olde freebsd, for 3yrs nao, 24/7
10:36 shinohai oh neat. i already got a 32G sandisk with bsd working, din want to overwrite since i had no spare
10:36 shinohai i more interested in rockchip now, because trb
10:49 mod6 asciilifeform: oh, interesting, thought it was netbsd
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11:04 asciilifeform shinohai: prolly the best result re trb on rockchip would be with 'adult' samsung sata ssd via usb3-sata snake ( you can buy short one, that fits in box )
11:05 asciilifeform shinohai: it is possible to buy e.g. 512G usb stick, but it is poor bang for bux proposition, it will quickly burn
11:05 shinohai yeah, not abt to try it without ssd
11:13 asciilifeform shinohai: trying doesn't hurt. and iirc somebody actually got a mechanical-hdd node to stay synced more or less decently with aggression patch
11:13 asciilifeform ( currently failing to dig up in the l0gz; going from memory )
11:16 asciilifeform rk3328-roc-cc + usb3sata snake + 1tb mech hdd -- might potentially make a working ~100bux trb node. worth a shot, shinohai , if you have a free hand.
11:19 BingoBoingo https://www.elobservador.com.uy/los-inmuebles-son-cada-vez-mas-caros-las-familias-que-quieren-comprar-n1254558 << Of Entomological interest
11:31 diana_coman asciilifeform> shinohai: trying doesn't hurt. and iirc somebody actually got a mechanical-hdd node to stay synced more or less decently with aggression patch -> yes, I did
11:38 shinohai neato diana_coman, also salutations!
11:39 diana_coman hi shinohai
11:47 shinohai congrats on discovery of new object in eulora
11:59 asciilifeform oh hey
12:00 asciilifeform diana_coman: didja ever post block timer readings from that node ?
12:01 asciilifeform diana_coman: and has it stayed reliably in sync ?
12:02 diana_coman asciilifeform, no, I didn't; and yes, it has stayed as far as I can tell (i.e. I check it daily to see if it's in sync and it has been in sync for several months now); if you have somewhere a step-by-step thing with what would be interesting to publish, I can go through it and do it but otherwise tbh I'm so swamped with other stuff that it's waaaay at the bottom of any queue
12:03 asciilifeform aite, this is not a desperately urgent q or anyffing of the kind
12:03 diana_coman shinohai, hey, thanks!
12:03 diana_coman asciilifeform, no, but it might even help at a later time; it wouldn't be wasted time at any rate
12:04 asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000256.html << for reference; the block timers.
12:04 diana_coman i.e. noob comes, wants to run node, can point him to minimal reporting guidelines sort of thing
12:05 asciilifeform i expect that soon n00b will be able to revv up a trb box simply by making use of trinque's builder and then 'emerge trb' or the like.
12:06 diana_coman reporting is still a different thing
12:06 asciilifeform ( i.e. the old 'rotor'-on-conventional-linux process will finally be obsoleted )
12:07 asciilifeform diana_coman: reporting block r/w times currently requires pressing with the little patch that takes the times. ( it is not part of 'flagship' trb )
12:08 diana_coman right; I didn't press that patch
12:09 asciilifeform notably , the patch started life as a general-purpose profiling of a whole buncha things in trb, but i ended up cutting out all but block timing, given as that was where something like 99% of ~active~ (i.e. as opposed to waiting for rain to fall, this was pre- aggression) cycles are spent
12:10 asciilifeform at any rate, the block processing delay was a kind of red herring, turned out that 'wait for rain to fall' was in fact the culprit in all ( known to asciilifeform ) cases of 'trb node won't stay in sync'
12:12 asciilifeform the longest block-processing delays i ever measured were 4-5 minutes, still well below the 10min magic mark
12:12 asciilifeform ( on mech hdd )
12:13 diana_coman the by-now-usual "it's stupider than you'd think"
12:13 asciilifeform actually stike that, there were a few 10-15 min data points
12:13 asciilifeform but rare.
12:14 asciilifeform *strike
12:15 asciilifeform ( point being, it may very well be feasible to run a reliable infrastructural trb noad on mech hdd. certainly worth test. )
12:15 diana_coman I suspect it is tbh but yes, we need some data on this
12:16 asciilifeform i suggested it specifically to shinohai because he's apparently still experimenting with trb and afaik isn't tied up with anyffing else.
12:18 asciilifeform conceivably, even 256MB-pogo-cum-mech-hdd-cum-swap-partition-cum-aggression might work.
12:19 asciilifeform ( admittedly a stretch )
12:20 asciilifeform shinohai: consider taking a short at porting cuntoo to pogo, oughta be relatively simple
12:20 asciilifeform *shot
12:20 * asciilifeform bbl,meat
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13:48 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-13#1834133 << probably just get sane logging in there, then can have noob paste from the respective logfile.
13:48 a111 Logged on 2018-07-13 16:06 diana_coman: reporting is still a different thing
13:48 mircea_popescu iirc ben_vulpes was working on something like that prior to pizarro adventure.
13:51 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: he actually baked a patch, about same time as my aggression item, http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-December/000282.html
13:53 asciilifeform afaik it doesn't auto-timestamp tho, iirc ben_vulpes , trinque , and possibly others, use linux system log to 'cheat' and get timestamps from trb
13:53 mircea_popescu ~sane logging~
13:55 asciilifeform aha. ( imho a Trooly sane log oughta even have separate log, for : block # / time received / time verified & written to db / from where received )
13:56 asciilifeform the mempool crapola oughta be separate log ( even while we do not yet have mircea_popescu's mempooltron-blocktron cut )
13:56 mircea_popescu yeah, should drop a pile of textfiles in /log
13:57 asciilifeform btw , while on subj, how are mircea_popescu's 'aggression' nodez doing ? i.e. stay in sync ?
13:57 asciilifeform mine - yes, iirc mod6's also, and diana_coman's
13:59 mircea_popescu i've not been having syncing problems
13:59 mircea_popescu (not even on classical prb)
14:00 asciilifeform i recall at least 1 episode specifically with mircea_popescu's node, was stuck for, what , 6 wks
14:00 asciilifeform but that was a while ago
14:00 mircea_popescu indeed.
14:00 mircea_popescu also when i got aggressive with iptable configs.
14:01 asciilifeform ( i vaguely suspect there exists even a 'herd immunity' of sorts, where aggressive trb helps other peers, of whatever config, stay in shape )
14:01 mircea_popescu probably.
14:01 asciilifeform re iptables, asciilifeform's old 'ban all aws' trick worked wonders for asciilifeform .
14:02 asciilifeform ( a surprising % of the moar outrageous prb & quasi-forkolade derps, are stingy, parked on aws )
14:03 mircea_popescu amusingly enough, the shit's so advanced in the soup, all bans help. even http://trilema.com/2018/how-to-remove-usgalphabet-usually-called-google-by-the-jews-pantsuit-from-your-web-experience/#comment-126128
14:04 asciilifeform lol! they also have shitnodes?!
14:04 mircea_popescu they're involved in about half the efforts to make the net a shittier, slower, stinkier, buggier place.
14:05 asciilifeform naturally. but thus far ~all google activity asciilifeform's observed is centered on port80
14:05 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: What about google's email spamming?
14:06 asciilifeform ( formerly i banned it from phuctor, but after the db optimizations i let it live, shows up occasionally & crawls the broken keys, it dun create any particular problem to date )
14:07 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: moar specifically ?
14:09 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The deal where email was a thing and then google made Gmail and ate it
14:09 asciilifeform aa BingoBoingo , i dun expect to see a resurrection of email tho.
14:09 asciilifeform it was eaten and digested and shat long ago.
14:11 asciilifeform gmail was a usg victory aol et al could only dream of, if you're stuck sending email today you're more or less stuck doing it from shitmail, or watch it silently vanish somewhere on the way.
14:11 asciilifeform ( in ~both~ directions )
14:12 asciilifeform i have a classical email box, complete with 'squirrelmail' etc, and pretty much only one i was able to have reliable 2way traffic with, was mircea_popescu -- back when he had a similar box
14:12 mircea_popescu heh
14:14 mircea_popescu anyway, tbh i can't find a use for email. if it's not a trilema-article-and-link nor a p.bvulpes-and-link then why isn't it in #trilema.
14:15 asciilifeform the 1 remaining use case is reaching out to heathens who can't be pinged through anything else, but i haven't had any result worth half a shit with that in aeons , so that leaves just about nuffin
14:16 asciilifeform i'm inclined to agree with mircea_popescu's item re the salvation of the drowning.
14:16 mircea_popescu i find fetlife sluts are about 10kx more interesting than hikikomori bois a la whatever set we've been contemplating, from curtis yarvin to rms.
14:16 mircea_popescu and all the menagerie in between.
14:16 asciilifeform well for starters they answer the fuckingmail, neh.
14:17 mircea_popescu in droves. and for other starters, they got tits, and i got pliers, and if they're annoying i twist nipples.
14:17 asciilifeform even http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-12#1833889 , is moar fun than talking to /dev/null .
14:17 a111 Logged on 2018-07-12 15:48 mircea_popescu: aand in today's dose of manilla humour, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/bEMvL/?raw=true
14:18 mircea_popescu i r agree!
14:23 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: tbh i'm surprised that email lived as long as it did. it was exactly 'dodo bird', 0 defenses against predation at all.
14:24 mircea_popescu strongly relies on implicit wot enforced by "not give tards net access"
14:24 BingoBoingo Pretty much
14:24 mircea_popescu much stronglier than, say, bbs.
14:24 asciilifeform aha, but somehow managed to outlive the tard flood by almost decade.
14:24 mircea_popescu the fact that people pretended "it still works" for longer is imo one of the best points of illustration of anglotards retardation.
14:25 mircea_popescu they have serious privacy issues, in the specific sense that the hole in the church roof bothers them a heck of a lot more than the hole in their outhouse
14:25 mircea_popescu notwithstanding a) nobody cares about church and b) getting drizzled on while shitting is the #1 distinction between nation of africa and nation of human.
14:26 asciilifeform word 'privacy' in application to email, was always a stretch
14:27 mircea_popescu i just mean, because they're being groped in the privacy of their own bedroom, rather than in the publicity of the subway, they tolerate it much better.
14:28 mircea_popescu and in the same way, pretend email is still a thing in 2010, while given up on pretense bbs is still a thing in 1995.
14:29 asciilifeform funnily enuff, most usa zeks couldn't bbs today even if wanted to, the faux voicetel-over-fiber thing they have won't carry modem
14:29 asciilifeform ( nor will cellpnoje )
14:29 mod6 <+asciilifeform> mine - yes, iirc mod6's also, and diana_coman's << aha, mine have been good, when the hardware has been sane. so, if I can find the time still this month, I want to add that vpatch to the main vtree @ thebitcoin.foundation
14:29 mod6 (and update the howto guide with that info)
14:29 asciilifeform tho asciilifeform was actually able to make 300 baud go , over '2g'
14:29 mircea_popescu of course.
14:30 asciilifeform ( at one time asciilifeform bought a number of cellmodems, of various makes , bag of 'sims', and did experiment )
14:32 asciilifeform '2g' , notably, is being phased out in usa, in many places ( and on most of the carriers) nao impossible to make a connection at all with these
14:33 asciilifeform ( '3g' and newer , mostly not available in inexpensive chinese modems, because they are made for civilized world, where different bands and protocol are in use )
14:33 mircea_popescu i'm not specifically defending bbs or anything. just making the point, comparably useless/dysfunctional approaches, one lived much longer.
14:34 asciilifeform bbs -- in so far as it represented 'can talk without necessarily going through nsa backbone in london' -- was a greater loss than email.
14:34 mircea_popescu im not aware that ever was a think. trunked is trunked.
14:35 asciilifeform it was, if you were calling local, you would go through 1 hop, local pbx.
14:35 mircea_popescu in 1975.
14:35 asciilifeform ( still largely 1970s iron , over here )
14:35 mircea_popescu today, it'd still go through nsa eavesdropping station in london.
14:35 asciilifeform if you have the 'latest and greatest' faux-voice-over-fiber -- then invariably.
14:36 asciilifeform sorta why they tightened the noose on old-school copper telecom.
14:36 asciilifeform ( it did not play well with 'put EVERYTHING through london' derpitude )
14:36 mircea_popescu right.
14:36 mircea_popescu soviets had a helluva time tapping them, and all ye olde school "use phone booth" worked wunderbar.
14:37 asciilifeform ( copper telco exchanges are still , last i knew, stuck on nixon-era 'police tap box' , writes to... tape )
14:38 asciilifeform these are slowly getting the axe, 1 after another, most of the ( very solidly built, 2metre-thick walls etc ) exchange houses in usa, today largely empty
14:38 asciilifeform they put a 4u cisco thing in the basement somewhere and it replaces whole thing
14:38 mircea_popescu the zek herd has no fucking idea how to defend anything. kinda why they're not worth taking seriously.
14:38 mircea_popescu "oh, give me reasons to" "bitch... you'll just do it and like it, stfu."
14:39 asciilifeform jwz!!
14:39 mircea_popescu they're exactly ready, if tomorrow i start hanging "activists" the population will just clap along. just like the last time around.
14:43 asciilifeform afaik the 'fu, we'll make own internet, with hookers and blackjack, even if we gotta throw cables from window to window' thing had a brief life in usa, in '80s, then silently evaporated
14:43 asciilifeform today all that remains of it , is http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825757
14:43 a111 Logged on 2018-06-15 16:47 asciilifeform surveyed what remains of shortwave , it's mostly empty, and what remains is largely these derps, 'texas can you hear me' 'this is utah, we can hear you' etc etc
14:43 mircea_popescu it had a long life in romania. still happens today.
14:43 asciilifeform aha. 'fidonet' reportedly still exists in ru.
14:44 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/07/several-iphones-attacked-with-sideloaded-malware-apps/ << Qntra - Several iPhones Attacked With Sideloaded Malware Apps
14:45 mod6 I'm happy to announce that The Bitcoin Foundation's 2nd TRB node is fully sync'd and will be added to the list of Advertised Republican Nodeds.
14:45 mod6 Nodes, too.
14:45 asciilifeform congrats mod6
14:47 mod6 cheers!
14:52 asciilifeform funnily related story, back when asciilifeform was a uni student, cellpnojeism was beginning to spread among plebelands, and asciilifeform noticed that folx were paying telco fiddycents/minute to talk over 1-2km ! so asciilifeform went, like naive idjit, to engineering profs, with 'p2p telephony' proposal thing, reaction was the exact sort of through-the-teeth laughter of today's bernstein re phuctor .
14:52 asciilifeform 'It Would Be Wrong'(tm)(r)
14:53 mircea_popescu asswipes.
14:53 asciilifeform this was asciilifeform's 'intro course' to inca/star topology/etc.
15:03 asciilifeform nowadays they've 'progressed', happily pay not merely per minute but monthly ~lease~ on ipnoje, to talk across a street (via packets, via london, etc)
15:08 asciilifeform at uni we had a p2p lan warez thing, that somebody cobbled together. lulzily , however, ~searching~ relied on a central point of failure, at any given time 1 or 2 particular boxes, and they would live for 2-3 months until some rat ratted'em, then cycle repeated.
15:10 asciilifeform ( payloads were mostly pr0n , plus buncha 700MB-traditional film rips )
15:11 mircea_popescu nowadays there's lateral peer discovery and things
15:12 asciilifeform right. but nowadays there's also bonsaikitten-students.
15:12 mircea_popescu just saying, the "p2p protocol" as a broad construct seems pretty well fleshed out.
15:12 asciilifeform aha. item however was an ultra-lowtech ad hoc thing, low-effort.
15:12 BingoBoingo At uni there was a little java program called "mytunes" which turned iTunes LAN shared music (a feature only used because of the pirate thing's popularity) into a sort of anon ftp
15:13 asciilifeform the much later, public 'p2p sharing nets' succumbed to wotlessness ( i.e. seeded with infinite fakes and crapola )
15:14 asciilifeform they solved peer discovery, searching, etc. but not sybilism.
15:14 BingoBoingo Well this thing failed because at somepoint everyone ended up with all the same music.
15:14 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: that ain't a tech failure, that's a meat failure.
15:18 BingoBoingo There was a parallel meat/tech failure Junior year which ended it. Wifi routers were just starting to become a thing and people kept plugging the WAN cable into the wrong ports. This happened repeatedly in casacades of failure because "Internet doesn't work, port must be bad"
15:21 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is a good point, huh. eventually "private tracker" w/e was supposed to sorta-bandaid this
15:21 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: sorta where state-of-the-art got stuck, to present day.
15:22 mircea_popescu yeah.
15:22 mircea_popescu and they're fucking terrible at user acquisition, too.
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16:08 BingoBoingo !!up xdeller
16:08 deedbot xdeller voiced for 30 minutes.
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16:42 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the 'private tracker' is really a step backwards, to the central-failure uni lan days. they live for a spell, then get killed/coopted/etc
16:43 asciilifeform ( cuz they're, elementarily, not really 'private', they're ~allcomers typically )
16:44 asciilifeform there is not a techno-pill against the requirement of wot, just as there is not a system of magnets and pulleys that gets you a working perpetuum mobile.
16:45 asciilifeform ( in either case, naturally there will be found folx who keep right on trying and trying.. )
16:46 asciilifeform 'maybe haven't found the right magnets yet!'
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17:09 asciilifeform anecdote : some time in 2004 or so, asciilifeform described , to a frustrated-with-lan-warez gurl, how proper p2p net might work, 'picture if each user only connects to folx he knows personally, and queries can hop if there's transitive trust', ~gossipd, etc , reaction : [horrified] 'omfg, like terrorist cells?! how couldyou!'
17:11 asciilifeform incaphilia, turns out, afflicts not only elderly greybeard profs.
17:12 * BingoBoingo reheating incan fried rice with some morcilla dulce.
17:12 asciilifeform lol
17:13 asciilifeform how's the butane fridge treating ya, BingoBoingo ? do i need to include a flammable hydrocarbon sensor in next crate ?
17:15 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It is so quiet
17:15 BingoBoingo And cold
17:15 asciilifeform maybe, for double lulz, it's an adiabatic (heater-driven) fridge...
17:15 BingoBoingo The isobutane appears to be a vastly superior refrigerant compared to R134a
17:16 asciilifeform eh they're all 'quiet and cold' when new.
17:17 asciilifeform !#s fram
17:17 a111 12 results for "fram", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=fram
17:17 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-08#1733947 << subj.
17:17 a111 Logged on 2017-11-08 02:05 asciilifeform: in related lulz, http://oldschgarage.blogspot.com/2014/11/old-fram-fridge-project.html << same fram ! i had no idea that it was an adiabatic cycle thing
17:17 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Back in old country there weren't even quiet and cold on the sales floor
17:18 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: there used to be this thing, mostly in orcistans ( 1950s su, ro, elsewhere ) where starvation-cheap fridge, no compressor, but driven by heat ( typically ammonia as working fluid ) , could even run off kitchen gas
17:20 asciilifeform err, adsorption, not adiabatic ( the latter's a different bag of crackpottery )
17:20 BingoBoingo They remain a rural crackpot thing in USistan as well along with R-22 to propane conversions
17:22 asciilifeform 'envirowhinerism trinity : expensive, shoddy, deadly' (tm)(r)(uncle al)
17:24 diana_coman asciilifeform, HA, a fram exactly like that was actually IN USE at the countryside 10 years ago; for all I know it might even still work if anybody plugs it in
17:25 asciilifeform diana_coman: i saw one at museum, in timis
17:25 asciilifeform ( wasn't plugged in, but prolly worked, supposing the coolant is still in. 0 moving parts. )
17:25 diana_coman I suppose my great grandparents' house could work fine as a museum
17:25 asciilifeform fwiw su fridges ( with compressors ) largely still work, and are prized items, healthy 2ndhand market believe or not exists
17:26 asciilifeform we had a 1950s 'zil' that still worked in '92 when we left.
17:26 diana_coman heh, that's grandparents', yes; next generation basically
17:28 asciilifeform https://krsk.au.ru/10190430/ << subj. ( visually superficially like that 'fram', but 'modern', i.e. with compressor )
17:31 diana_coman the sad part being that really, it's not *just* tech stuff that used to work for ages, it's ~everything
17:31 asciilifeform aha !
17:31 asciilifeform su vacuum cleaners, also prized today
17:31 asciilifeform 100% steel, ~eternal motor, etc.
17:32 diana_coman eh, I have some *clothes* that are older than me and look better than new stuff, what can I say
17:32 asciilifeform i have this, also.
17:32 asciilifeform overcoat from 1970s, etc
17:32 asciilifeform lost atlantean tech...
17:33 asciilifeform ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-05#1832119 << recent thread on subj )
17:33 a111 Logged on 2018-07-05 22:14 asciilifeform: and on subj, not long ago asciilifeform repaired, for relative, ancestral clock, what looked like cheap alarm clock but is actually an enlarged sov copy of ~swiss~ movement , made to 'cosmonaut' specs, believe
17:34 diana_coman not that much; I can make such clothes just like I can still make bread by hand; but the time needed to make them....
17:34 mod6 mircea_popescu, diana_coman : Ben and I have been pouring over the numbers (as i'm getting an education here), and the prorated cost for the rest of July for UY3 will be: 0.03542985 BTC
17:35 asciilifeform diana_coman: in principle you can make just about anyffing by hand. in practice...
17:36 * asciilifeform eats bread made by-hand also.
17:36 diana_coman in practice one single person has only 2 hands, that's the thing
17:36 asciilifeform aaaha.
17:37 mod6 I'd like to remind everyone here that Pizarro still desperately needs a manager, please inquire within if you're interested.
17:38 diana_coman mod6, BingoBoingo aren't you though in the best position to work this out?
17:39 mod6 Hmm?
17:39 mod6 No, this isn't really for me. And more-over I have too much to do already.
17:39 diana_coman mod6, honestly, how do you see this sorted ?
17:40 mod6 hire someone?
17:40 asciilifeform diana_coman: we have a pretty serious shortage of skilled hands.
17:41 diana_coman mod6, ok, but this doesn't strike me like a position that you can interview for exactly just like that, you print the ad in the newspaper and interview applicants or something
17:41 asciilifeform diana_coman: it really has to be a l1 person, and so far no takers.
17:41 diana_coman asciilifeform, well, who exactly do you think would fit the bill anyway?
17:41 asciilifeform phf, trinque , danielpbarron ^
17:42 asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2018/the-rivers-of-blood-article-or-the-lordship-list-fifth-year << for ref
17:43 asciilifeform hanbot, davout ^ also
17:43 asciilifeform iirc jurov already declined, as did mircea_popescu
17:44 asciilifeform ( i omitted diana_coman because presumably hands full, but whoknows... diana_coman ? )
17:45 asciilifeform ... lobbes ?
17:45 diana_coman asciilifeform, well, I'm full time at s.mg as it is
17:45 asciilifeform aite
17:45 diana_coman ave1 is l1 too
17:45 asciilifeform oh yes
17:45 asciilifeform ... spyked ?
17:49 mod6 mircea_popescu, diana_coman : Give me a thumbs up if you believe the box is ready for you to do your testing, and I'll invoice mircea_popescu.
17:50 mod6 (at the end of the month, invoices will be sent)
17:51 asciilifeform diana_coman: also then signal BingoBoingo to remove the kvm cables, the kvm box is in no real sense secure , having it plugged in for extended time is a small but definite liability
18:04 * asciilifeform brb
18:08 * BingoBoingo is standing by for the signal
~ 1 hours 33 minutes ~
19:42 BingoBoingo And I have discovered something to do with these beaches before the bikinis return: http://www.uruguaypesca.com.uy/2009/11/la-burriqueta-o-borriqueta-es-conoceda.html
~ 20 minutes ~
20:03 mod6 nice
20:13 lobbes http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-13#1834333 << I'll state for the record that I consider myself largely unqualified for the role (plus my hopper overfloweth atm)
20:13 a111 Logged on 2018-07-13 21:45 asciilifeform: ... lobbes ?
20:14 lobbes to my (admittedly, untrained) eye, it does seem like BingoBoingo is the ideal fit for the role; not only is he literally closest to the venture, but he also has sales experience iirc. Maybe what is needed is just a trusted "assistant manager", i.e. someone to handle the minutiae on a day-to-day basis under the direction of a chief strategist.
20:14 lobbes seems like that's what mod6 and BB are missing: "bandwidth to do X"
20:16 lobbes http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816438 << in other news, you were not kidding! my trb (hdd + aggression) has moved a mere 20K blocks in one month
20:16 a111 Logged on 2018-05-22 00:06 ben_vulpes: stand by to slow down
20:20 lobbes seemed to hit the wall right around height 350000
20:23 asciilifeform lobbes: your node sounds like a good candidate for the timer patch (i.e. determine, why not syncs, is it block db delay, or it somehow gets nuffin from peers, or which.)
20:24 asciilifeform mid 300s is iirc where the packed-to-the-gunwales 'stress test'(tm)(r) blox begin.
20:27 asciilifeform mircea_popescu had good point, in that if sane logging (i.e. with msec timestamps for everything) were standard, question could be answered immediately.
~ 53 minutes ~
21:20 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-13#1834276 << it was always a ((sexually worthless males) + (reproductive value women)) construct.
21:20 a111 Logged on 2018-07-13 21:11 asciilifeform: incaphilia, turns out, afflicts not only elderly greybeard profs.
21:23 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-13#1834299 << i had one at home growing up, too.
21:23 a111 Logged on 2018-07-13 21:26 asciilifeform: we had a 1950s 'zil' that still worked in '92 when we left.
21:23 mircea_popescu o look, it's even in the logs! http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-08#1012491
21:23 a111 Logged on 2015-02-08 05:44 mircea_popescu: http://media.englishrussia.com/new_images//zilmuseum-50.jpg << exactly the one in middle
21:23 mircea_popescu turns up top of the search if you try and find "zil fridge"
21:26 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-13#1834316 << hence by extension of http://trilema.com/2010/doua-fete-argumentul-economic/ , the harem as an economic necessity. the marginal cost to make bread for 12 as opposed to 3 is sub 50% ; the marginal benefit from having local taylor to make you a dress while you make bread...
21:26 a111 Logged on 2018-07-13 21:36 diana_coman: in practice one single person has only 2 hands, that's the thing
21:27 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-13#1834322 << this is a fine question. what's the envisaged happy ending here ?
21:27 a111 Logged on 2018-07-13 21:39 diana_coman: mod6, honestly, how do you see this sorted ?
21:28 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-13#1834332 << she's technical rather than management track, also. much like you, and presumably a lot of other people in l1. which is a fundamental weakness we've been copacetically not really trying to address.
21:28 a111 Logged on 2018-07-13 21:44 asciilifeform: ( i omitted diana_coman because presumably hands full, but whoknows... diana_coman ? )
21:31 mircea_popescu (large part of the problem being, of course, that management folk are very disused to any sort or kind of actual work ; matter-of-coursedly display bizarre remunerative expectations on one hand and middling skills at busyworking/clockwaiting doubling an appetite for actual work verging on nil.)
21:36 lobbes asciilifeform: oya, I've squirreled away that link to the timer patch you dropped earlier in the logs. I'm thinking I'll apply it to my node once I get auctionbot2.0 through the conveyor, after which I can publish more concrete data.
21:50 mircea_popescu meanwhile in "sales/leads generating machines", http://trilema.com/contact-pgp/#comment-126230
21:52 mircea_popescu because the moron utterly has to http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/ ; can't simply come fucking here, register a key, do something useful as ordered. no, none of that, business school produces more special cuntlets than miss america competitions, he gotta sing his own fucking tune. because this is actually possible, every dick, tan and harry can come up with marching tunes.
21:53 mircea_popescu i'm about as impressed of this autistic waste as of pete_dushenski's latest lists of important bitcoin posts he thinks he's made, and whatever other monkey-emperors of "all they survey".
21:53 BingoBoingo lobbes et al: I'll keep taking stuff on my plate, but the reason Pizarro isn't BBISP is... A need for more direction.
21:54 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo in practical terms, you got a place to sleep and an internet connection. what specifically is keeping you from building up sales funnels ?
21:55 mircea_popescu trinque's provided a turnkey accounting solution, you do a !!ledger once a month, reconcile it with ops list and there you go, accounting's done.
21:55 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Nothing, updates from the funnel mines should be starting
21:56 mircea_popescu did pizarro ever build up a localbitcoins acct ?
21:56 mircea_popescu did the clickbank account ever stand up ? etc etc, i dunno how executing on the lenghty list of items in the log these pasts month could put one behind.
22:01 BingoBoingo I have one a localbitcoins account, started flirting with the alt-alt, and do have this lengthy list of items to push on
22:01 mircea_popescu alrighty.
22:04 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-13#1834328 << mod6 also ran this by me. most of my opposition stems from having a lengthy list of wallet features yet to build, which have been delayed by (quite necessary) gentoo confiscation.
22:04 a111 Logged on 2018-07-13 21:41 asciilifeform: phf, trinque , danielpbarron ^
22:05 BingoBoingo I am comfortable taking tech direction from alf. If mod6 wants to take the purse from ben_vulpes, that's a board.
22:05 trinque beyond that, what's not clear is whether management means directing, or doing a lot of hands-on work on machines. it's likely I have little time for the former, but have absolutely no time for the latter.
22:08 trinque the fact that wallet features benefit greatly from a live and healthy pizarro is also not lost on me, which is why I jumped to be (afaik) live customer #1
22:09 mircea_popescu trinque i don't think you have any business getting involved, fwiw. you're doing great in your line, keep doing that.
22:10 trinque yep, delicately saying as much. activist customer is about as far as I'm able to sign in blood atm.
22:10 BingoBoingo Well, pizarro has the dedicated boxes that require invoicing and the occasional standup. The rockchips that require invoicing and the occasional standup. Then there's the shared hosting server which is beefy as hell and runs a very lean gentoo.
22:17 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-13#1834322 << this is a fine question. what's the envisaged happy ending here ? << As I was saying, was hoping to hire someone.
22:17 a111 Logged on 2018-07-13 21:39 diana_coman: mod6, honestly, how do you see this sorted ?
22:19 mod6 I understand if this doesn't happen right away, but eventually, position will need to be filled. The offer stands, even if it stands for some time.
22:19 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: standing up boxen, to the degree that it can be done telerobotically, is asciilifeform's .
22:20 asciilifeform ( as with the most recent one )
22:20 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: And that has been a welcome change
22:21 BingoBoingo <mod6> I understand if this doesn't happen right away, but eventually, position will need to be filled. The offer stands, even if it stands for some time. << One way to handle this is... Take over what ben_vulpes on an interim basis and hand off tasks you don't have time for.
22:30 mircea_popescu mod6 yes hire someone, i get it, but really that's not how hiring works. hire someone that what ?
22:31 mod6 Yeah, I need to write up a job description.
22:31 mircea_popescu a new one ?!
22:32 mod6 And BingoBoingo, yeah, that's the plan. I'll do the best I can at this, but the more I learn about what was all involved day-to-day with ben_vulpes, the more I'm worried that I'm ill-equiped to do this work.
22:32 mod6 mircea_popescu: hmm?
22:34 mod6 To your question "hire someone that what ?" : That manages the day-to-day task for BingoBoingo, does accouting tasks (reporting, invoicing, payments), can possibly lend a hand with sysadmin tasks. That sort of thing.
22:34 mircea_popescu i dunno what the impediment is here. looky here : 1. you want to write a ~new~ job description, now. the job isn't new, so where's the old job description ? if you didn't have one then, why would you have one now, and if you didn't think you need one then, why would you need one now, and if it didn't occur to you to write it then why are you qualified to write it now ?
22:34 mod6 So, a job description would be helpful.
22:35 mod6 lol.
22:35 mod6 I have no idea. I'm just trying to swim upstream here, Sir.
22:36 mircea_popescu 2. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-02#1831375 STILL didn't get a direct answer, two weeks later. this "withdraw into busywork" reaction to uncomfortable realities may work (it doesn't work, but subjectively may seem to work) in lines typically well fit to the autistic. but as things stand here it's at least mildly insulting to BingoBoingo, that he's the dood on the ground and you're somehow looking right throguh him.
22:36 a111 Logged on 2018-07-02 18:37 mircea_popescu: well... so what are you gonna do, promote in house i suppose ?
22:36 mod6 No no.
22:36 mircea_popescu ima ask again the thing i asked you lot when you came up with the batshit insane options arrangement : do you think he's not a real person because he's actually DOING things, real things, scary real things such as fucking venezuelans, and real people are only the meditative kind ?
22:36 mircea_popescu because there's problems here, and you're not helping yourself with the approach.
22:37 mod6 I sent out personalized letters to two Lords asking if they wanted to fill the role. I didn't sit back and kick it.
22:37 mod6 And to the point of BingoBoingo, he has said before that he wants direction from a manager. As he said earlier tonight.
22:37 mircea_popescu the difference between these two is lost on me, seeing how the lords are at least sufficiently acquainted with the situation and sufficiently possessed of their own wits to volunteer if they feel it.
22:37 mircea_popescu yes, well, and i want kim kardashian to blow up my ass. we get what we get.
22:38 BingoBoingo mod6: A fairly hands off (i.e not day to day situation) report to the board situation is fine
22:39 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo and you! don't get into that situation where halp, has not what to eat and nothing's moving, you hear ? survival skills, yes!
22:41 BingoBoingo Since leaving the noise of the hostel that possible reality has been easier to hear.
22:43 mod6 <+a111> Logged on 2018-07-02 18:37 mircea_popescu: well... so what are you gonna do, promote in house i suppose ? << you know, when we talked about this a week ago... it never even considered BingoBoingo , not because i think he's not a person or any such nonsense. But because when we started this ventue, he said that he needed strict guidence.
22:43 asciilifeform imho BingoBoingo is ideal for the job.
22:44 mod6 But I missed what you were asking, you were asking if I was going to promote BingoBoingo. I totally didn't even get that until just now.
22:44 mircea_popescu ikr.
22:44 asciilifeform d00d survived the seven hells, fleas, brazilians.
22:44 BingoBoingo Well, the strict guidance thing was before ben_vulpes gave it a shot
22:44 mod6 And I agree that the man could be good at it. But I tend to believe a man when he says "hey, I need instructions, day to day".
22:45 mircea_popescu the more you believe that, the more the day-to-day instructions books grow...
22:45 BingoBoingo Week to week should suffice
22:45 mod6 Hey, nothing against BingoBoingo. At all. He has been through a battle, this is true.
22:45 trinque after surving all that, man just needs a mirror and to look once in a while
22:45 trinque "oh, should shave/eat/get dick sucked for wildcatting like a boss"
22:45 trinque actually fuck the shave, wildcatters grow beards
22:46 BingoBoingo <trinque> actually fuck the shave, wildcatters grow beards << This is true
22:46 BingoBoingo Shaving leads to razor bumps
22:46 mod6 Well...
22:46 mircea_popescu i got beard...
22:47 trinque trinque, beard also. the metaphor went sideways on me!
22:47 mod6 BingoBoingo: I'm gonna let you think about it for a few days if you need. Think about if you really want to take on major parts of this role. I think you ~can~ do it. But, I don't want you to feel overwhelemed or pushed into it either.
22:47 BingoBoingo Last time I tried the shaving it was maybe a week and a half before I had straight out of Africa shaving bumps
22:48 mircea_popescu mod6 seriously, pushing people into things, scary things especially, is what the job is. fuck him, let him swim already. what is this, the girlscouts ?!
22:49 mod6 i need the man to stay content with his situation, he's the boots on the ground.
22:49 BingoBoingo I'm not buddhist. Contentment is impossible
22:51 mod6 Alright.
22:51 BingoBoingo But we have just about burned through half of July since ben_vulpes' announcement
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