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01:10 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-14#1834378 << yes, sold a small amount of btc via WU through this channel
01:10 a111 Logged on 2018-07-14 01:56 mircea_popescu: did pizarro ever build up a localbitcoins acct ?
01:13 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-14#1834379 << clickbank is fiat-only, and as for the "btc affiliate programs" http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828510
01:13 a111 Logged on 2018-07-14 01:56 mircea_popescu: did the clickbank account ever stand up ? etc etc, i dunno how executing on the lenghty list of items in the log these pasts month could put one behind.
01:13 a111 Logged on 2018-06-21 23:47 mircea_popescu: leaving aside the quite obvious question of why would one even entertain a wanna-be bitcoin thing that's uppity enough to not be here in the first place.
01:17 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-14#1834420 << he is positioned to do a far better job than i have/can, and i believe that he will
01:17 a111 Logged on 2018-07-14 02:43 asciilifeform: imho BingoBoingo is ideal for the job.
01:20 ben_vulpes for instance (attn asciilifeform, mod6, BingoBoingo), while reviewing books with mod6 recently i realized that i calculated s.mg's lease cost from the machine purchased from s.nsa (which we got bare, no storage), and not from the cost of the machine stuffed full of disks.
01:27 deedbot http://pizarroisp.net/2018/07/15/june-statement/ << PizzaroISP - Pizarro June Statement
01:31 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: the only marginally complicated thing about statements is tracking the customer equity line and invoicing for the month-to-month customers, i will hand over my notes and assist you should you take the gig
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02:19 mircea_popescu diana_coman fucking hysterical, whole package dead because some 'my_print_stacktrace' function ? printing is the death of "open source".
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02:50 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-14#1834459 << answer is no ; bitcoin is a shining example of yahoo usage of threading.
02:50 a111 Logged on 2018-07-14 13:25 brazilish: first question is: do initial sync benefits from moar cores?
02:53 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-14#1834507 << jesus god yes. unix is not even usable w/o screen.
02:53 a111 Logged on 2018-07-14 15:09 diana_coman: ftr screen also fails and I'd rather have it than not have it but it's not a eulora dep in itself
03:06 mircea_popescu this is bizarre enough, http://p.bvulpes.com/ still up, but if you try and paste anything it goes dead.
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07:33 * asciilifeform tried it just nao, seems to work
07:41 asciilifeform re 'screen' -- funnily enuff for many yrs asciilifeform did not use it aside from as rs232 terminal a la 'kermit'; for the absolutely fucking vital item of 'leave my bg processes alone when i disconnect', used simply 'nohup', which comes with afaik errry unix since system5
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08:41 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-14#1834346 <-- fwiw, I believe I'm also ill-equipped for this job. I'd only trust a spyked to get this right after he's delivered on at least a couple of self-directed projects, and even then... I need a wee bit more experience under my belt. on this note, /me finds http://trilema.com/2018/technology-and-governance/ to be a good reread.
08:41 a111 Logged on 2018-07-14 00:13 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-13#1834333 << I'll state for the record that I consider myself largely unqualified for the role (plus my hopper overfloweth atm)
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09:29 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: I am inclined to take the gig
09:31 diana_coman asciilifeform, re screen & nohup: metoo! but nowadays I do use screen a LOT
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09:33 diana_coman BingoBoingo, go for it!
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09:55 BingoBoingo brb, time to go for a walk
09:55 BingoBoingo But yes, I am on location. My name is on the fiat side paperwork. The incentives are lined up. Make Uruguay, Great Again!
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10:22 shinohai gm #trilema http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-13#1834119 <<< Ran a x86 node 3+ years with mechanical hdd, aggression patch did keep mine within ~10 blocks always.
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10:22 a111 Logged on 2018-07-13 15:31 diana_coman: asciilifeform> shinohai: trying doesn't hurt. and iirc somebody actually got a mechanical-hdd node to stay synced more or less decently with aggression patch -> yes, I did
10:23 shinohai When my rockchips arrive though, i guess i'll use one of my old rusty hdd's in one just for lulz, I have like 10 now.
10:33 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: congrats
10:35 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834721 << for comparison -- what was it like prior to 'aggression' ?
10:35 a111 Logged on 2018-07-15 14:22 shinohai: gm #trilema http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-13#1834119 <<< Ran a x86 node 3+ years with mechanical hdd, aggression patch did keep mine within ~10 blocks always.
10:36 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834717 << there's really not a substitute for 'screen' if you're leaving ~interactive~ cmd line processes in background (e.g. shells) , aha
10:36 a111 Logged on 2018-07-15 13:31 diana_coman: asciilifeform, re screen & nohup: metoo! but nowadays I do use screen a LOT
10:36 shinohai Pretty much same as I always reported, usually stayed several "days" behind, this did not improve until I purchased samsung ssd about a year ago.
10:37 * shinohai has always used tmux, but did use screen for some time.
10:38 asciilifeform incidentally, a miniature raid (i.e. harness 4 cheapo hdd to 1 usb3 cable) would be a very useful thing. which afaik unfortunately does not exist.
10:40 shinohai A friend of mine has one of those mediasonic mini raid boxes, i cant remember how many drives it holds.
10:40 asciilifeform shinohai: afaik these all use 'software' raid
10:41 shinohai bummer
10:41 asciilifeform stupidly expensive, too, for what they do.
10:44 shinohai Thankfully, pogo turned out to be great NAT device, I run a mech hdd in the dumb-as-bricks vertical hdd slot, and a samsung t3 portable ssd from the top usb connector.
10:44 shinohai SO have entire trb chain backed up in case of failure ( also www, etc)
10:44 asciilifeform shinohai: didja bake own nat thing for it, or used the vendor's shitware ?
10:45 asciilifeform shinohai: speaking of www, yours seems to be down just nao ?
10:45 shinohai nah, i made own setup after the arch linux install, just do a gentoo chroot once in to sort of unify my setup
10:46 shinohai yeah www is down for netbsd upgrade
10:46 asciilifeform aa
10:47 shinohai pogo also makes a handy local binhost, for those who don't wish to build the same 500 packages when trying new stuff on gentoo.
10:47 asciilifeform nat is very much a 2edged sword, just 2 or 3 nat boxen with heavy use will saturate typical GB lan switch
10:47 asciilifeform nas, rather
10:48 shinohai yeah s/NAT/NAS above
10:55 asciilifeform shinohai: i've found that trb state can't be effectively backed up without stopping the node ( otherwise indices turn to barf . ) how do you do yours ? periodic stops ?
10:56 asciilifeform and whole concept of 'backing up trb' strikes me as wrongheaded -- the most effective backup is simply a 2nd node.
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10:57 asciilifeform a new node plugged directly in ( i.e. over lan ) to a working trb node, with 'aggression' should sync in week or 2.
10:58 asciilifeform ( if we had the 'configurable checkpoints thing' discussed 2y ago, this would sync in 3 days or so )
10:59 asciilifeform i.e. at ~max speed permitted by the disk writes.
11:00 asciilifeform you can approximate the effect with dumpblock/eatblock.
11:01 shinohai asciilifeform my system is by no means perfect .... but yeah periodic stops, I only scheduled rsync for twice weekly to pogo, to minimize downtime. Never results in more than half-hour downtime.
11:02 shinohai Which is far better than starting from zero when hdd crashed that time and I lost whole thing xD
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11:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform check this out : i got a bundle which compiles to 64 bits except one lib, which compiles to 32 bit and then i get " wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32 Program exited with code 0177". the configure for it manages to ignore both enable-lib64 --disable-lib32 and CFLAGS=-m64 CXXFLAGS=-m64 LDFLAGS=-m64 sets of flags. you ever heard of such ?!
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11:39 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-14#1834507 << read and enjoyed your porting process for mysql. this will be how things go. many items already have patched ebuilds in the musl-overlay, which your system is using atop traditional portage. some wont, and will need to be fixed.
11:39 a111 Logged on 2018-07-14 15:09 diana_coman: ftr screen also fails and I'd rather have it than not have it but it's not a eulora dep in itself
11:40 mircea_popescu i can't tell you just how fucking thrilled we are it was actually approachable in this level.
11:40 mircea_popescu usualyl when you end up going into codepile to ablate idiocy you discover the broken glass
11:40 trinque indeed, glad to see she got right through
11:41 mircea_popescu anyway, fwiw : mysql existing as gnat/cuntoo item (combined with its deployment in mp-wp, eulora etc) pretty much guarantees by now that tmsr db will be mysql derivative.
11:42 mircea_popescu if anyone has serious issues with this better get a portage candidate up asap so it can be imported when cuntoo comes, because otherwise it's as dead as the woodchipped people.
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11:42 mircea_popescu postgres or w/e.
11:45 trinque musl will "break" where it refused to implement glibc feature-creep outside the posix libc standard. it's a stricter implementation.
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11:46 trinque some of this work won't have to be done completely ab initio; there are musltronic distros out there that can at least act as source material for research, alpine and void linux for example.
11:47 diana_coman trinque, cheers! glad it wasn't worse there really (will see for the rest :D )
11:48 mircea_popescu trinque im not saying it's impossible, by any means ; but it'll have to be either done or not done, there's no "i'm not waht i do i'm what i dream". like a wedding, "anyone wanting postgres/whatever speak now or stfu fe&e"
11:49 trinque 100% agree, and appreciate the underscoring of it. no "hobbyist approach" will work.
11:50 trinque to take a specific example, my mention of musl distros isn't an excuse for anyone to blindly pilfer patches and then sign because "built!!"
11:51 mircea_popescu great way to get whacked.
11:59 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834748 << trb node is one of the few items that ~can't~ be backed up in the usual sense. because what you get if you just blindly copy is a shitup not a backup.
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11:59 a111 Logged on 2018-07-15 14:56 asciilifeform: and whole concept of 'backing up trb' strikes me as wrongheaded -- the most effective backup is simply a 2nd node.
11:59 mircea_popescu bitcoin is not "blockchain technologies" shitheadery, it's precisely ~adnotated data~, lisp style. there's no meaning to it outside of context.
12:01 mircea_popescu and apropos of nothing/everything : " Magic: 7f 45 4c 46 02 01 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 " << this fucking annoys me.
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12:05 deedbot http://trinque.org/2018/07/15/deedbot-wallet-on-chain-operations-resumed/ << trinque - Deedbot wallet on-chain operations resumed
12:10 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834755 << pretty interesting -- what proggy was this ?
12:10 a111 Logged on 2018-07-15 15:38 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check this out : i got a bundle which compiles to 64 bits except one lib, which compiles to 32 bit and then i get " wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32 Program exited with code 0177". the configure for it manages to ignore both enable-lib64 --disable-lib32 and CFLAGS=-m64 CXXFLAGS=-m64 LDFLAGS=-m64 sets of flags. you ever heard of such ?!
12:11 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834762 << when i get own cuntoo test machine up, will test postgres also ( phuctor is currently baked on postgres, though in principle it would also work on mysql etc., simply never yet tried )
12:11 a111 Logged on 2018-07-15 15:42 mircea_popescu: if anyone has serious issues with this better get a portage candidate up asap so it can be imported when cuntoo comes, because otherwise it's as dead as the woodchipped people.
12:13 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834771 << from ~cold~ node it backs up as well as anything else . point was that i can't think of any good reason to do it that way, nodes ( correctly-built, i.e. with aggression ) are self-replicating reasonably quickly
12:13 a111 Logged on 2018-07-15 15:59 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834748 << trb node is one of the few items that ~can't~ be backed up in the usual sense. because what you get if you just blindly copy is a shitup not a backup.
12:14 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834764 << oh hm trinque already tried postgres ? it barfed ? where ?
12:14 a111 Logged on 2018-07-15 15:45 trinque: musl will "break" where it refused to implement glibc feature-creep outside the posix libc standard. it's a stricter implementation.
12:14 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834774 << where was this ?
12:14 a111 Logged on 2018-07-15 16:01 mircea_popescu: and apropos of nothing/everything : " Magic: 7f 45 4c 46 02 01 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 " << this fucking annoys me.
12:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform standard readelf output
12:14 asciilifeform aa
12:15 mircea_popescu anyway, it turns out the lib built ~is~ 64 bit, contrary to my assumption that error messages are useful.
12:15 mircea_popescu so strike all that.
12:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: btw were you building with trinque's gcc or with ave1 's ?
12:18 mircea_popescu vintage 4.x
12:18 asciilifeform well they're both 'vintage 4.x'
12:18 mircea_popescu right, but this is mine.
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12:18 asciilifeform aa
12:22 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834764 << trinque do you have a list of items you observed to be broken under musl ? or is this still in the works
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12:22 a111 Logged on 2018-07-15 15:45 trinque: musl will "break" where it refused to implement glibc feature-creep outside the posix libc standard. it's a stricter implementation.
12:23 asciilifeform the 2 major ones i specifically recall in logs were 'screen' and emacs
12:24 mircea_popescu though it's arguable emacs works in any sense.
12:25 asciilifeform [insert oblig emacs thread here]
12:25 mircea_popescu anyway, i expect neither gtk nor kde work, and i expect contrary to postgresetc discussion above, nobody likes any of 'em even vaguely enough to import.
12:26 mircea_popescu but should probably try X at some point i guess.
12:26 asciilifeform i can't picture anybody shedding a tear for gtk/kde/etc
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12:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform just as long as i can still use cuntoo to show cunts their cunts too!
12:26 asciilifeform plain x oughta suffice, for this.
12:27 mircea_popescu if it works. which...
12:27 mircea_popescu video drivers etc.
12:27 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: kernel mods dun use userland libc, so this should in principle not be affected by muslism
12:28 mircea_popescu i guess we'll find out soon enough.
12:29 asciilifeform will be interesting to put cuntoo on box with vga card and see if, for instance, any www browser can be made to run.
12:29 mircea_popescu re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-12#1833740 the above http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834793 is 4.4.3
12:29 a111 Logged on 2018-07-12 11:18 asciilifeform: trinque's gcc, btw, is exactly as was printed on the crate, x86_64-gentoo-linux-musl 4.9.4
12:29 a111 Logged on 2018-07-15 16:18 mircea_popescu: right, but this is mine.
12:30 mircea_popescu asciilifeform and by "any" you mean which ?
12:30 mircea_popescu i've conducted a review of extant browsers ; outside of opera ~none work worth a shit ; and in the lulziest of manners, eg, firefox 45 crashes about 4.5 times more frequently than firefox 10. and so on.
12:30 asciilifeform i meant 'any'. afaik the only remaining graphical www thing that builds even on asciilifeform's ban-flagged gentoo ( not even speaking of musl ) is old firefox.
12:31 asciilifeform i dun know much about ye olde closedsores opera -- if it was built statically, it oughta run on cuntoo
12:31 asciilifeform if not -- then guaranteed bomb
12:31 mircea_popescu kinda my point.
12:32 asciilifeform ( i assumed mircea_popescu was speaking of ye olde norwegian ministry of telecom or wherever 1MB closed x86 opera, rather than the 'modern' abortion )
12:33 asciilifeform commercial/closed binariolade 'for linux' will not run on cuntoo unless it was built statically, but prolly erryone realizes this.
12:36 mircea_popescu afaik they were, even as far as the 10.x series ; but this i've never put to the cuntoo test.
12:37 mircea_popescu here included by reference, the "acid3 test" lulz etc. who even remembers 2007 anymoar.
12:37 * asciilifeform fires up box with opera 12.16 -- confirmed static
12:38 asciilifeform so yes you could run it. tho on x86/amd64 strictly, naturally, afaik there was never a build for arm etc
12:39 mircea_popescu asciilifeform iirc that's the last one where it can even be claimed to be a thing, afterwards moved to being skin on chrome.
12:39 asciilifeform aha, sorta why i had it lying around
12:39 asciilifeform afaik it was the very last.
12:39 mircea_popescu imo that's the correct cut here : not "oh, is it the 1995 safari-clone by nowegians" but "oh, is it the thing before or after google gutted it"
12:41 asciilifeform google et al not only gutted it, but arranged for the orig src to be buried in cement, for the obv reason.
12:41 mircea_popescu also imported by reference, all the "oh, we're moving to webkit, it's so great and good and btw folks, totally A TECHNICAL DECISION OK!!!" then google drops webkit moves on to their in-house shitpile, oprea "dev" team is like... o yeah totally!
12:41 mircea_popescu this cock, it tastes so very technical!
12:41 mircea_popescu doesn't it amstan , you dirty little whore daughter of a stupid mother.
12:50 asciilifeform in other heathen wtf's, https://archive.is/Ovauh >> 'Covert radio communications: a viable tactic for international terrorists?'
12:55 asciilifeform ( d00d, apparently, 'professional' doctrine/ops handbooks/etc spewer for usg )
12:55 asciilifeform 'Hank Prunckun is associate professor of intelligence analysis at the Australian Graduate School of Policing and Security, Charles Sturt University, Sydney' blah etc.
12:56 asciilifeform OfficiallyEndorsed by hitler!11 ( https://archive.is/wrqK2 )
13:08 mircea_popescu good thing they got trilema to crib
13:12 asciilifeform vintage, '14 lulgem, cribbing '13 trilema.
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13:56 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/lamb-aspic/ << Trilema - Lamb aspic
14:02 mircea_popescu meanwhile in the amusement files, MistressCrow20 20F Mistress 29m "How about YOU drop everything and kiss the ground in front of my feet? Im not kidding at all." LordMPofTMSR "No, because you're female."
14:02 mircea_popescu in carlin's own words, "that tends to hold them for about half an hour."
14:03 mircea_popescu oh, and to piss off trinque ave1 asciilifeform whoever else : quote last line of ldd --version on those vintage gccs ? :D
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14:49 BingoBoingo <trinque> some of this work won't have to be done completely ab initio; there are musltronic distros out there that can at least act as source material for research, alpine and void linux for example. <<As far as I can tell Alpine is a musl build of gentoo, comparatively clean. Void on the other hand is more like a tampon. Bloody inside and out
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15:11 mod6 Pizarro's bitcoins have been sent to my deedbot account in the amount of: 6.21445021 BTC
15:13 mod6 !!pay jurov 0.46713262
15:13 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mQfFE/?raw=true
15:17 mod6 !!v 43D6BFBE080DEEA6D24BCF04F12AFCEF9521797DC62C0B3749E97370D586A36C
15:17 deedbot mod6 paid jurov 0.46713262
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15:18 mod6 !!ledger
15:18 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/nZCBq/?raw=true
15:22 mod6 Remaining Pizarro Balance: 5.83211428 BTC
15:25 mod6 ignore this ^ some of my previous balance was added into that.
15:25 mod6 !Qcalc 6.21445021 - 0.46713262
15:25 lobbesbot mod6: 5.74731759
15:26 mod6 This is the current Pizarro BTC balance ^.
15:28 mod6 In other news, BingoBoingo has accepted the position as Pizarro Manager, and officially will take over in this role after the August Statement is published in the first few days of September. Congrats to BingoBoingo!
15:32 mircea_popescu check out this beauty : dpkg -S /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 > dpkg: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 not found. meanwhile $ ldd /usr/bin/glxinfo | grep "libGL" > libGL.so.1 => /usr/lib/mesa/libGL.so.1 (0x00007f129e644000)
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15:33 mircea_popescu it... maybe exists.
15:34 BingoBoingo Well, what would the GNU is gnu/lumix be without gnostic dilemmas?
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20:09 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/07/french-police-deploy-tear-gas-to-contain-riots-after-african-world-cup-victory/ << Qntra - French Police Deploy Tear Gas To Contain Riots After African World Cup Victory
20:13 mircea_popescu ahaha
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20:29 BingoBoingo Cooking steaks for the Peruana to celebrate the end of nationality as a thing
20:30 mircea_popescu sizzle dad shizzle!
20:30 BingoBoingo And the Uruguayos at the hostel were all in favor of unifying with Croatia before 2022
20:30 mircea_popescu lol
20:32 BingoBoingo Both cuntries are within 1,000,000 warm bodies of each other
20:32 BingoBoingo Both have lots of cows
20:34 mircea_popescu better tit in republica oriental.
20:34 mircea_popescu tehn again, better tall in lesser serbia
20:34 BingoBoingo Unlike the attempt at a maritime adventure, this effort has time on its side
20:38 BingoBoingo And for the logs the steaks in question are 402 grams of entrecot, cost of 130 pesos
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21:21 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834795 << nah, no list yet. I've yet to successfully build a lisp, but alpine has sbcl, so I don't wager it's impossible.
21:21 a111 Logged on 2018-07-15 16:22 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834764 << trinque do you have a list of items you observed to be broken under musl ? or is this still in the works
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22:18 deedbot http://blog.esthlos.com/log-reading-week-2/ << esthlos - Log Reading, Week 2
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