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03:27 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/printul/ << Trilema - Printul.
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06:12 ave1 does anyone have a ru to eng or de translation dictionary as a text file?
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07:35 spyked in other oddities: http://archive.is/9haFQ <-- potential alternative to http://btcbase.org/patches/vtools_fixes_static_tohex#L8 (also see: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-01#1786600 , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-29#1790868 and others). ftr, it didn't do much for me. or, to be more precise:
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07:35 a111 Logged on 2018-03-01 13:52 spyked: anyway, comment was that I managed to compile and run vdiff with small mods; error: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/BiBTI/?raw=true and fix patch: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9mOiz/?raw=true (tested this with the generated vdiff); I can try to link this reply later in a comment to test.
07:35 a111 Logged on 2018-03-29 10:22 spyked: phf's ld might add an "static" to "inline"; or not, not sure; can verify by objdump'ing vdiff and seeing if there appear multiple (with local linkage) definitions of xnmalloc in the same file.
07:37 spyked 1. pressed latest vtools; 2. changed all "static inline" to "extern inline __attribute__((gnu_inline))" in http://btcbase.org/patches/vtools_fixes_static_tohex#L5 ; 3. compiled; 4. diffed the symbols in the generated vdiff against the unmodified version => no changes, xnmalloc et al. are not included in the final binary.
07:40 spyked the __attribute__((gnu_inline)) attr is of course very stupid through its lack of portability, but as per https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Inline.html , it seems that the wrecking to this compiling/linking behaviour of inline was done pretty early on (C90).
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07:44 spyked (or that might be C99, actually)
07:48 spyked it might also in a way be interesting to report how I stumbled upon this: I tried to recompile gnupg-1.4.10 on my broken debian system and got the same "multiple definition" linking errors as in vtools' case (though I *did* use gcc<5). so I dug and found the usual kochs "fixing" things to compile gnupg on newer gccs.
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07:49 spyked might as well add reference for archival: https://lists.gt.net/gnupg/devel/59492
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10:34 mod6 Mornin' TMSR~
10:48 trinque hey mod6, how goes?
10:51 mod6 Alright! Yourself?
10:56 trinque doing just fine. watching the rain come down.
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11:22 asciilifeform !!ledger
11:22 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/FVPBv/?raw=true
11:23 asciilifeform !!sent-invoices
11:23 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/sPViA/?raw=true
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11:40 mod6 trinque: yeah, I think it's gonna rain here today too.
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12:34 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-21#1816308 << is there any need for that alternative? from my research static inline is one of the few behavioral commonalities between c99 and pre-c99. it also supposedly works across different compilers, etc.
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12:34 a111 Logged on 2018-05-21 11:35 spyked: in other oddities: http://archive.is/9haFQ <-- potential alternative to http://btcbase.org/patches/vtools_fixes_static_tohex#L8 (also see: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-01#1786600 , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-29#1790868 and others). ftr, it didn't do much for me. or, to be more precise:
12:34 phf i'm alive by the way, will start catching up on the mother of logs
12:35 esthlos anyone have a good idea for generating unique identifiers for v's gpg keyring name? I just spent a painful hour debugging because CL's #'get-universal-time is only precise to the second
12:35 asciilifeform esthlos: (gensym)
12:35 asciilifeform phf: wb
12:36 phf asciilifeform: that's not going to work cross-invocations though. gensym is incremental across the instance, so same invocations should produce roughly same gensym numbers
12:36 phf (i assume he's basically asking for a lisp-only "mkstemp")
12:36 esthlos phf: was about to mention that
12:36 asciilifeform why does it need to work cross-invocations tho
12:37 asciilifeform it's a temp dir, should live for, what, a few seconds
12:38 asciilifeform ( if you need a heavy-duty gensym, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-28#1790082 works and is easy to implement )
12:38 a111 Logged on 2018-03-28 19:32 asciilifeform: funnily enuff, if working rng were standard on pc, 128bits from it would give unique-gensym ( the supposed problem , according to the gcc nitwits, with mktemp , is collision ) without O(N) searching ( as in mkstemp) with probability ~1
12:38 esthlos but under current behaivor, program won't clean up tempdir when it eggogs
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12:38 phf true, i'd still just go for an ffi to mkstemp. you're dealing with a unix substrate, might as well use unix tooling. otherwise you have to juggle file-probe, create-directory, but restart if there's exception, etc.
12:41 esthlos phf, I assume by ffi you mean a call to run-program, not a use of cffi?
12:42 esthlos oh I see, sbcl has its own ffi
12:43 phf cffi is compatibility layer to native ffis (a rather dodgy one too)
12:43 phf sbcl has both own ffi, and there's also SB-UNIX:SB-MKSTEMP
12:46 phf actually you want mkdtemp, but it's for some reason not included in sb-unix..
12:47 esthlos clozue doesn't look like it has equivalent functions
12:47 esthlos may just have to get dirty with the ffi
12:47 phf clozure doesn't need to, #_mkdtemp
12:48 esthlos is that a reader macro for system calls?
12:49 phf it's a reader macro for ffi
12:49 esthlos that's damn neat
12:49 esthlos gotta run for a bit, thanks for the info phf
12:49 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/05/another-set-of-undocumented-default-static-user-credentials-spotted-in-cisco-gear/ << Qntra - Another Set Of "Undocumented Default Static User Credentials" Spotted In Cisco Gear
12:51 phf ccl has a fancy system, based on hacked up gcc, for generating ffi mappings (called interfaces), which you then can use with (use-interface-dir :foo) (#_foobar ...)
12:55 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815927 << i'll take a look, i had further comments about diana_coman's original spec and the responses, but does this new spec replaces the other one entirely?
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12:55 a111 Logged on 2018-05-20 14:58 mircea_popescu: phf, Mocky ^
13:01 diana_coman phf, yes, it does; it's basically version 2.0
13:14 asciilifeform !!up pipp8
13:14 deedbot pipp8 voiced for 30 minutes.
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13:29 phf diana_coman: ty
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14:23 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-21#1816325 <-- it's not needed, at least not in the case of vtools. it may have been worth it if it had reduced binary size, but from my experiment it makes no difference. gcc seems to remove the definitions of static-inlined functions (after inlining them), but I don't really know if it does that in general.
14:23 a111 Logged on 2018-05-21 16:34 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-21#1816308 << is there any need for that alternative? from my research static inline is one of the few behavioral commonalities between c99 and pre-c99. it also supposedly works across different compilers, etc.
14:23 spyked but this is easy to verify with readelf -s | grep inlined_func
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15:00 BingoBoingo And we have another holiday. Battle of Las Piedras day.
15:03 phf spyked: you kind of have a choice between #define equivalent inline, which is going to be actual inline and increase the binary size, or else i don't think it really matters. supposedly the annotation makes the calls "faster", but the notion of faster is very vague. i suspect it's essentially an equivalent of "register" keyword: things are maybe sometimes reshuffled to make things maybe sometimes faster
15:05 spyked ah. my intuition was that static inline might increase the size by leaving unused definitions in every .o file generated from the respective .c that imported the header.
15:06 spyked I'm pretty sure that happens with functions qualified as static. but the inline qualifier might cause the compiler to eliminate those definitions.
15:20 asciilifeform meanwhile, in honeypot entomology, https://amrron.com/2018/05/02/product-review-amrron-dark-labs-adl-1-otp-generator , https://amrron.com/2018/03/18/amrron-dark-labs-otp ( https://archive.li/kxNrA , https://archive.li/dGneI )
15:21 asciilifeform somewhat to asciilifeform's surprise, the schematic is on the ( lulzy in 9000 ways ) linked www ; and even seems to use FG-like johnson noise source
15:22 asciilifeform no photos of device interior / shields, at least where i could immediately find. preprocessor seems to ( surprised? ) whiten.
15:23 asciilifeform from comments, mar. 28, 2018 'I purchased one and am very happy with it. While I too have the dice, it is so time consuming, and this is so much quicker and simple. I have had no issues with the unit and plan on purchasing another.'
15:23 asciilifeform 'AmRRON Dark Labs, a type of Skunk Works for the Patriot community, has built a machine...' blah
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15:26 asciilifeform interestingly, whitens with... keccak
15:27 asciilifeform https://amrron.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/AD1_1_Firmware_Source.zip << sores.
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16:53 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> 'AmRRON Dark Labs, a type of Skunk Works for the Patriot community, has built a machine...' blah << LOL, FBI-otron in the wild!
16:53 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: classiest one to date, afaik
16:53 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well, the existence of FUCKGOATS raises the bar
16:54 asciilifeform another funny bit is that i described, in the l0gz, the simple scheme for ~identical gadget, on several occasions.
16:55 asciilifeform ( most recently detailed in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2146 )
16:57 * asciilifeform rereads, finds that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767833 link is dead ?!
16:57 a111 Logged on 2018-01-09 20:29 asciilifeform: in other oldies, seiko's 'DPU414' thermal printer, can be had for <fiddybux, and not only prints 80cols x infinity (continuous tape) but knows how to eat rs232 and... print hexdump (up to 19200 baud)
16:57 asciilifeform ^ bot sees it. but try in www browser
16:57 asciilifeform phf ^ ?
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17:33 phf asciilifeform: transliteration code failing, give me a sec
17:35 phf asciilifeform: fixed now
17:41 phf some of the unicode indiancandy was spitting cl-unicode doesn't have names for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767678
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17:41 a111 Logged on 2018-01-09 18:56 a111: Logged on 2017-01-15 23:05 a111: Logged on 2017-01-15 21:47 indiancandy: !!register <だ댧卾ᅟ룱ࢤ�ᫎ䂳䯫证慢ቊ콥贐较本덁㡚࠘譂ꘪ蜈出ᜄ粘锝⛥箥戴ᷜꔐ俟组․ഒ㻒㌕낌ᥥ款ړ忲䧚뾨շ脵됾쓰娊嫥៏䙿槥晥获᷑룜巵歛踈>
17:42 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767680
17:42 a111 Logged on 2018-01-09 18:57 mircea_popescu: unicode is the solution!
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18:06 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-21#1816385 << I doubt anyone can keep up with unicode's output
18:06 a111 Logged on 2018-05-21 21:41 phf: some of the unicode indiancandy was spitting cl-unicode doesn't have names for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767678
18:13 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-17#1814796 << in context of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814152 it bears pointing out incidentally that you still haven't explained ~why~.
18:13 a111 Logged on 2018-05-17 17:09 ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-17#357608 << since discarded notion of posting an ad on localbitcoins; but there are plenty of offers to pick from in the ~2.5-3% markup range.
18:13 a111 Logged on 2018-05-16 05:12 mircea_popescu: document, that's the right move. "here's an amazon page link, https://www.amazon.com/Libre-Computer-ROC-RK3328-CC-Renegade-Ethernet/dp/B078RMQYHS and here's some other provider https://www.loverpi.com/products/libre-computer-board-roc-rk3328-cc on which basis I'm guessing we should get the boards at around 4k total ; here's why i think the chassis costs so much ; here's why alf's delivery run need not include only 1k in airfa
18:13 mimisbrunnr Logged on 2018-05-17 14:40 mircea_popescu: what is behind comments like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814037, "I moved more recently than this fellow and I'll get my id after he does" ? "I don't, properly speaking, think bb is a person, at least not in the same sense / to the same degree I am" ?
18:14 mircea_popescu there's two important advantages of reasoned decisionmaking. first and foremost it gathers your people around you, this is what loyalty is made of, at its best. secondly and more importantly it permits history, which is to say humanity.
18:21 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: it doesn't make sense to put delicate items acquired with much suffering like BingoBoingo's cedula immediately into the statists hopper (localbitcoins demands "an ID" to post ads), when one can pick from the sale offers and operate on the side of the transaction where id is not asked for
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18:21 lobbesbot ben_vulpes: Sent 22 hours and 13 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> is there a problem with the invoice ? ( aside from the fact that i forgot the 36 usd fee , in it ) ? how come i'm still waiting ?
18:21 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes, but you can also talk to ads already posted.
18:21 ben_vulpes that is what i am trying to say
18:21 mircea_popescu ah.
18:22 ben_vulpes asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i await a transaction to clear through deedbot, then i shall settle your invoices
18:26 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-21#1816296 << yeah. wasn't that some prime lulz (that meanwhile didn't happen / it didn't count, w/e).
18:26 a111 Logged on 2018-05-21 00:01 asciilifeform: by ~that~ measure it was dead 3+y ago , when it turned to openly infecting the stored tarballs
18:27 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-21#1816307 << this is actually a prime thing to have. didja ever publish asciilifeform ?
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18:27 a111 Logged on 2018-05-21 10:12 ave1: does anyone have a ru to eng or de translation dictionary as a text file?
18:28 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-21#1816312 << that's a pretty informative find / equiv proof actually.
18:28 a111 Logged on 2018-05-21 11:40 spyked: the __attribute__((gnu_inline)) attr is of course very stupid through its lack of portability, but as per https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Inline.html , it seems that the wrecking to this compiling/linking behaviour of inline was done pretty early on (C90).
18:30 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-21#1816338 << possibly do a composite, "time program was called"+gensym. that'll resolve the conflict.
18:30 a111 Logged on 2018-05-21 16:38 esthlos: but under current behaivor, program won't clean up tempdir when it eggogs
18:30 mircea_popescu usefully, too, if anyoen wants to keep these they're autosorted by run
18:33 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-21#1816354 << yes ; outside i guess of context from the old that may help inform the reader as to the new.
18:33 a111 Logged on 2018-05-21 16:55 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815927 << i'll take a look, i had further comments about diana_coman's original spec and the responses, but does this new spec replaces the other one entirely?
18:35 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-21#1816371 << good thing they came up with all this on their own hehe.
18:35 a111 Logged on 2018-05-21 19:23 asciilifeform: 'AmRRON Dark Labs, a type of Skunk Works for the Patriot community, has built a machine...' blah
18:36 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-21#1816385 << that wasn't even unicode, that was her attempt to register a binary dump of her pubkey.
18:36 a111 Logged on 2018-05-21 21:41 phf: some of the unicode indiancandy was spitting cl-unicode doesn't have names for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767678
18:47 ben_vulpes mod6 asciilifeform: a sales incentive scheme proposal: we kick back 5% of revenue to affiliates who've recruited up to 10 paying customers, 10% up to 25 paying customers, 15% to 50 customers and then 20% for recruiting over 50 customers, which'd be a tidy .03 btc/mo, way better than any other "while you sleep" scheme out there.
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18:48 ben_vulpes lobbes, BingoBoingo: thoughts re ^?
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19:06 mircea_popescu aand in today's aphorisms, "Licking the power socket will never kill the licking of power sockets, even though it may kill all lickers of power sockets."
19:11 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-21#1816404 << believe or not, i dun actually have a en<->de .txt . ( the arch-bestseller , v. k. mueller's en<->ru , is errywhere, e.g. http://www.alleng.ru/d/engl/engl150.htm )
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19:11 a111 Logged on 2018-05-21 22:27 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-21#1816307 << this is actually a prime thing to have. didja ever publish asciilifeform ?
19:12 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-21#1816417 << looks good to me
19:12 a111 Logged on 2018-05-21 22:47 ben_vulpes: mod6 asciilifeform: a sales incentive scheme proposal: we kick back 5% of revenue to affiliates who've recruited up to 10 paying customers, 10% up to 25 paying customers, 15% to 50 customers and then 20% for recruiting over 50 customers, which'd be a tidy .03 btc/mo, way better than any other "while you sleep" scheme out there.
19:12 * asciilifeform brb,meat
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19:28 lobbes ben_vulpes: Here's my initial q's: 1) Is that in perpetuity? 2) I assume this is a percentage of the revenue of the set of the customers the sales person recruits and not of the entire set of customers?
19:29 ben_vulpes lobbes: for so long as a customer is paying pizarro is the intention
19:29 lobbes makes sense
19:29 ben_vulpes and yes, of the affiliate's recruited set, not of all customers.
19:30 ben_vulpes this incentivizes the hunt for long term customers
19:30 lobbes and would this be for both shared hosting customers and rockchip (and anything else)?
19:31 ben_vulpes lobbes: shared shell alone, i haven't examined the implications of this scheme for rockchips yet
19:31 lobbes gotcha
19:35 lobbes well, sounds good to me.
19:36 ben_vulpes neato
19:45 lobbes in other news, lobbesnode1 just passed block height 300000!
19:45 lobbes getting there..
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20:06 ben_vulpes nice
20:06 ben_vulpes stand by to slow down
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21:12 mod6 made a landing page for ``blog'' posts: http://www.mod6.net/blog.html
21:15 mod6 lobbes: cool!
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22:58 asciilifeform meanwhile, for incorrigible rotakus strictly, http://manualul.info ( found, naturally, while digging for the orig kindergarten src of http://trilema.com/2018/printul )
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23:01 asciilifeform bahaha complete with anthem and tov. c in front covers!
23:03 asciilifeform http://manualul.info/Abecedar_82/Abecedar_82.pdf << subj. ( compl. with the 'un vis' )
23:10 asciilifeform 'Oriunde merg, / în tot ce simt / Alături ești / Iubit Partid!' lol!!
23:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, o ya. authentic item.
23:17 asciilifeform this thing has like9000 lethal doses of nostalgium. and it aint even asciilifeform's orcistan
23:17 mircea_popescu ha!
23:17 mircea_popescu but y9ou see, it wasn't a country, it was a world.
23:18 asciilifeform ooyea
23:18 mircea_popescu for space odyssey human, turkish delight or texas steak, still "from earth!"
23:18 asciilifeform quite a bit like asciilifeform's homeworld.
23:23 mircea_popescu also, that's not kindergarten. it's 1st year of school, reuniting children no older than 7 years.
23:23 asciilifeform hm that makes sense.
23:24 mircea_popescu anyway, the item is fulla all sorts of references, subversions, wordplay etcetera. "ana are mere" is a locus in ro vernacular even today, for instance.
23:25 mircea_popescu complete with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfXtKKFIFN0 say
23:35 Mocky http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815582 << >> http://mocky.org/Log-Reference-Why-Ada/
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23:35 a111 Logged on 2018-05-19 18:30 asciilifeform: ( folx-on-the-periphery-of-l1 : might be a good use of coupla hrs to dredge the logs for 'why ada' material that could point n00bz to, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682480 )
23:39 Mocky comments are disabled on that page, happy to take corrections / additions here
23:39 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/fireflies-and-other-things/ << Trilema - Fireflies and other things.
23:41 ben_vulpes trinque: it would be nice on my nerves and doublecheckment routines if pay-invoice OTPs had invoice memo and amount
23:43 trinque it's not as though the invoice numbers change, just check !!received-invoices first, but sure
23:44 * trinque tosses that one in the org file
23:50 ben_vulpes yeah, that's in the double checking routine
23:50 ben_vulpes not urgent by any means, possibly even a good switch-cover.
23:52 * ben_vulpes bbl
23:57 asciilifeform !!rate Mocky 1 'why ada'
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23:58 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/nSX1W/?raw=true
23:58 asciilifeform !!v BB79B3A8159EDB5C190E69B1EA57B1C43A2CC1F71E0BC8EBB0917A9B60BEAA37
23:58 deedbot asciilifeform rated Mocky 1 << 'why ada'
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