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08:58 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'm not even convinced that 'purposeful newton' is artifact of socialist schooling; meatsacks without the exploratory instinct the gods gave dog, cat, rat, are doomed to believe in some variant of this
09:09 deedbot http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/06/15/eucrypt-manifest-file/ << Ossasepia - EuCrypt Manifest File
09:10 diana_coman phf, please add the last 2 patches of eucrypt: http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/05/03/eucrypt-chapter-13-smg-rng/ and http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/06/15/eucrypt-manifest-file/
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09:33 asciilifeform funnily enuff, seems like the earliest vtree to include manifest was : FG -- http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=fg
09:34 asciilifeform ( admittedly, small )
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10:22 mod6 mornin'
10:27 asciilifeform ohai mod6
10:28 mod6 how goes today asciilifeform ?
10:29 asciilifeform slowly.
10:30 mod6 yeah, same. need a coffee.
10:40 asciilifeform dun in the literature last night re chip 'glitching' . for some reason everybody, to date, focuses on glitching ~specific~ instruction, rather than scrambling sram bluntly. ( to be fair, the blunt approach is only of any conceivable use if you can pre-emplace the nop slide, as is apparently possible on cr50 ) ; state of the open lit art seems to be the 'xbox 360' pill demonstrated in 2015
10:41 asciilifeform *dug in
10:42 asciilifeform focused emp , apparently , is a pretty good glitching method, but needs somewhat complicated instrument
10:43 asciilifeform ( and the line between glitch and magicsmokerelease, is thin )
10:43 asciilifeform can also glitch by manipulating clock, but it is not presently known whether cr50 has external clocking ( my current understanding is that it does not, but has internal oscillator )
10:44 asciilifeform https://archive.li/uGNyx << a likbez re the latter .
10:45 asciilifeform !#s metastable
10:45 a111 10 results for "metastable", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=metastable
10:45 asciilifeform ^ see also
10:50 asciilifeform state of art afaik re emp probe , https://www.usenix.org/system/files/conference/woot17/woot17-paper-cui.pdf ( sorry , pdf )
10:52 asciilifeform once i get another coupla cr50 boards , will try above method with a small twist ( spoiler : chinese pulse welder as the current source! new!111 original!11 )
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10:52 asciilifeform but hands , sadly , currently full
10:57 asciilifeform ideal apparatus would be something like the multi-coil rig used for noninvasive brain diddling experiments
11:00 asciilifeform this is the approach where a die shot, even under optical microscope, would be of some conceivable use ( make slightly less blunt/blind target )
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11:04 asciilifeform for cr50 in particular, a continuous (e.g. xray) rather than intermittent (emp shooter) glitcher might be preferable, as the thing has a convenient unlock command that you can fire via the uart continuously, then , theoretically, irradiate until it happens to skip the right instruction
11:05 asciilifeform (i.e. it is not in fact necessary to glitch the rsa check, but would entirely suffice to glitch the unlock command conditional jump)
11:15 mod6 Interesting paper there.
11:16 mod6 and interesting use of 3d printer :D
11:16 asciilifeform any x-y positioning system would do, really
11:16 mod6 pretty neat
11:16 asciilifeform ( even the hand-cranked one asciilifeform uses, with wheels )
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11:38 BingoBoingo Next Uruguay game is Wednesday at noon. I suspect nothing is happening in this country that day. Opponent is Saudi Arabia, the worst team in the tournament.
11:48 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/06/british-court-places-rappers-under-musical-court-supervision-for-3-years/ << Qntra - British Court Places Rappers Under Musical Court Supervision For 3 Years
11:53 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, no part of the empire is ~deliberate~. socialism, pantsuitism, inca, et all are the unexcited level of gray matter.
11:54 mircea_popescu it's not like someone on mars sat around thinking "hey, how do we fuck up earthnling's world ???".
11:54 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: tumour mass yea
11:54 mircea_popescu it's simply what dumb people do. they come up with "we're all equal" and "it's the universe, man" and listening to the worst part of female nature and pretend there's nothing else on their fucking own.
11:55 mircea_popescu just like all mongoloid produces some version of ooga booga, exactly so all retarded girly produces some version of "it's inappropriate to go about naked and suck cock" and every idiot comes up with "social security".
11:55 mircea_popescu it's ~exactly~ the same way every hunk of metal "comes up" with "being cold to the touch"
11:58 mircea_popescu physical property of matter at rest.
11:59 mircea_popescu and this is why i say things like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822118 all crumble before it because the alternative is dust at rest on the surface of the moon.
11:59 a111 Logged on 2018-06-10 18:58 mircea_popescu: so yes, it is not possible to fight tmsr when it comes to this. all shall crumble before it.
12:00 mircea_popescu this isn't some kind of encounter like between german socialism, american socialism and russian socialism, who oh who will win in the end ? (because we know as a matter of necessity that two will ally against one, crush it, then once that's done a) import everything and b) go at each other).
12:00 mircea_popescu this is an encounter like between newton and his servant who didn't want to clean boots. newton OWNS his servant, as any other object. what battle ?
12:03 asciilifeform somehow today there's 0 newtons but whole buncha useless bootblacks tho
12:03 mircea_popescu "somehow"
12:04 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824975
12:04 a111 Logged on 2018-06-13 15:42 mircea_popescu: it's gonna be such an open season of old woman head on pike soon enough. "but what did i do ?!" "you were someone's mom in the 90s/00s weren;'t you ?" "yes i was!" "fuck you, bitch."
12:06 mircea_popescu someone asked gorgo once, "how come we all have to sit on pikes as long as the car ?" and gorgo once answered : Επειδή γαμώ την ράτσα σου
12:06 asciilifeform if 'owns' were sufficient, the 'newtons' would not have succumbed, neh. evidently gotta also maintain the sharpened pikes in plain view
12:06 mircea_popescu not fucking so.
12:06 mircea_popescu newtons succumbed because overcheap overabundant food.
12:07 asciilifeform + sewers ?
12:07 mircea_popescu etc.
12:07 mircea_popescu "it's easy now".
12:08 mircea_popescu holy shit, google thinks motto is /ˈmädō/
12:08 mircea_popescu motherfucker on a stick, what is wrongggggg with these idiots.
12:08 asciilifeform lolwaat
12:11 mircea_popescu it's /mɒ`təʊ/, to not leave it in mystery. for one fucking thing, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS /ō/ in english. nor, for that matter, ä.
12:12 mircea_popescu the english vowels are /æ/ /ɑ/ /ɒ/ /ɑː/ /ɔ/ /ɔː/ /ɪ/ /e/ /ɛ/ /ʌ/ /ʊ/ and that's fucking IT.
12:14 mircea_popescu not like a dozen isn't plenty, in any case.
12:17 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825649 << not even a bad idea.
12:17 a111 Logged on 2018-06-15 14:52 asciilifeform: once i get another coupla cr50 boards , will try above method with a small twist ( spoiler : chinese pulse welder as the current source! new!111 original!11 )
12:18 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825652 << well, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1824343 so "soon" (tm)
12:18 a111 Logged on 2018-06-15 15:00 asciilifeform: this is the approach where a die shot, even under optical microscope, would be of some conceivable use ( make slightly less blunt/blind target )
12:18 a111 Logged on 2018-06-12 21:30 cnomad: floating an idea... do you folks have a batch of cr50s around that you might be willing to ship?
12:19 mircea_popescu lmao BingoBoingo! "The five young men have been ordered to inform police every time they release new music," << anyone recall ye olde soviet struggles with "rock music" ?
12:20 BingoBoingo AHA
12:20 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'ma try it, die shot or none
12:20 mircea_popescu i wasn't proposing you wait on rando.
12:20 asciilifeform worst thing , i nuke a board or 2.
12:21 asciilifeform 'go to war with army you have, not army you wish you had'(tm)(r)(bush II)
12:23 mircea_popescu i'm merely populating the list of answers for the inevitable later "shocked inquiries" of "wut did i do ?!?!?!"
12:24 mircea_popescu in other lulz, there's such a thing as "bitcoinbrat" on fetlife.
12:24 mircea_popescu spoiler : dumbass negress, thinks she's cool. "About me: your Goddess, your Princess, your Queen, your World, your Sole Life Purpose" etc.
12:25 asciilifeform was there a form for sending in cock cage measurements ?
12:25 mircea_popescu https://paypal.me/bitcoinbrat << begging link
12:25 mod6 lol
12:25 asciilifeform prolly paypal api gives one
12:25 mircea_popescu ugly hambeast, too.
12:26 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: does it ever happen that ~nonugly~ nonhambeast demands 'your queen' and cage measurement , or is the linkage unbroken
12:28 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'sov struggle with rock music' is a massive reservoir of lulz largely even to this day untapped by entomologists. ( they tried something like a conditional surrender )
12:29 mircea_popescu surely happens. most of them post elaborately framed pics and herp derp about tru feelings and other https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX_Uj0un-Ks bs.
12:29 asciilifeform i suspect the brits will replay it soon enuff, holding e.g. Officially Blessed concerts by Officially Tame jihadi singers etc
12:30 mircea_popescu and speaking of the "twu wuv" bullshit : me opened yesterday http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/22642/pg22642-images.html ; on the very strong recommendation that d'annunzio actually is the dood mussolini copied, so as to give hitler a model of cool ~he~ could in turn copy. it's the original duce (of fiume), and really, the inventor of the whole personal-martial cool in degenerate euros.
12:30 mircea_popescu do you know what the fuck the whole thing's all about ?
12:30 mircea_popescu it's about how he had two women and never ordered them to eat each other out.
12:30 mircea_popescu PILES of pantsuit idiocy EVERYWHERE.
12:31 * asciilifeform not familiar
12:31 mircea_popescu a really ? how about the raid on vienna ?
12:31 mircea_popescu (dood flew over vienna in ww1, dropped leaflets)
12:32 BingoBoingo So many pantsuitist comparisons of Jihadi rap to US gangsta rap except... when the prototypical US ganster rappers NWA released "Straight out of compton" compton was majority black. Between then and now the hispanics ethnically cleansed Compton of black people.
12:32 mircea_popescu anyway. fiume, now in yugoshitia or something like that, was an italian colony that briefly went to war with usg's invented "italy" over this wholly own washington subsidiary not accepting their union.
12:33 mircea_popescu (pro tip : current "italy" is essentially the western sponsored invasion by the savoyards. about as italian as the mexican government of texas is truly canadian.)
12:34 asciilifeform unlike which other current eu 'country' ?
12:34 mircea_popescu mmm... pretty much all of them ? this is the stuff of the 1100s in other parts of the world.
12:35 mircea_popescu king of sardinia unifies italy, rly ? gimme a lulzbreak.
12:35 asciilifeform re vienna -- i've yet to read an airdropped leaflet that didn't have same flavour of 'author must be doing strong dope'
12:35 mircea_popescu hm
12:35 asciilifeform ( ever see the japanese ones ? )
12:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, http://static1.habsburger.net/files/styles/large/public/originale/.importupload_mutschlechner_3dannunzio.jpg?itok=DMU-Nw8D
12:37 asciilifeform ya they all say ~same thing, 'this could have been bomb! bow to $nigerianprince !'
12:37 mircea_popescu "to your blind headstrong government" etc.
12:37 mircea_popescu "their victory is like ukrainian bread, you die waiting" seems an apt turn of phrase.
12:38 asciilifeform german leflets made primo toilet paper, according to folx in the know.
12:39 mircea_popescu this sort of very cheap and therefore very dumb "courage" is exactly why you can't simply tell idiots to desist, but gotta first crack their heads.
12:39 mircea_popescu "oh, german makes great tp hurr durr aren't i socially signalling".
12:39 mircea_popescu it didn't came so far to it making great cumrags.
12:39 asciilifeform 0 courage involved, not so many su grunts could read de
12:39 mircea_popescu ah, i thought this was re london.
12:40 asciilifeform aa no
12:40 mircea_popescu lmao they seriously overflew russian villages ?
12:40 mircea_popescu nuts.
12:40 asciilifeform they had some ok ones, e.g. http://www.sovunion.info/posters/listovky/view.shtml?200
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12:40 asciilifeform , http://www.sovunion.info/posters/listovky/view.shtml?199 , etc
12:41 asciilifeform not villages, lol. positions.
12:41 asciilifeform ( speaking here of the 2nd war )
12:42 mircea_popescu aha.
12:42 mircea_popescu i suspect that was mostly to annoy the commisars.
12:42 asciilifeform 'leaflet war' is pretty dumb, imho, idea; the closest thing to successful tack was jp's, with the radio that played 90+% ameri-jazz and 10% 'your wife is getting waltzed'
12:43 mircea_popescu yep, that's definitely how you do it.
12:43 mircea_popescu directed porn, etc.
12:44 mircea_popescu exactly how all propaganda works, neh, they advertise cans to the washing machine while she watches tv instead of cooking.
12:44 mircea_popescu not as a matter of preference, but as a matter of necessity, "i can't not buy their junk because that'd mean not sitting here"
12:46 asciilifeform there's a crackpot theory that today's usa 'radio hobbyists' descend from usa troops in jp front ( and later korea ) building illicit radio sets to pick up jazz+wife broadcast
12:46 mircea_popescu i can see it.
12:47 mircea_popescu the problem is, the japanese didn't understand that the americans ~would prefer~ someone else fucking their wife while they play with the radio set. hence all the "airman's clubs" of putting house keys on coffee tablew and praying wife ends up with another's.
12:47 mircea_popescu this is always the problem with propaganda : ~because~ the propagandist wants, ~therefore~ the propagandist misunderstands.
12:47 * asciilifeform surveyed what remains of shortwave , it's mostly empty, and what remains is largely these derps, 'texas can you hear me' 'this is utah, we can hear you' etc etc
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12:48 mircea_popescu there's an ancient german kiddie book i got as a kid, and it is 100% the story of propaganda.
12:48 asciilifeform lol was it max and morris ?
12:48 mircea_popescu it had a story of a hedghehog on whose birthday all other animals brought gifts
12:48 mircea_popescu the lion brought a hunk of meat... the hippo a tub of dirt....
12:48 asciilifeform aaaa ! i remember that one
12:48 mircea_popescu you do ?!
12:48 mircea_popescu wtf was it called ?
12:48 asciilifeform yes ! tho can't recall where !
12:48 asciilifeform but definitely had it.
12:49 asciilifeform possibly it's a riff on aesop
12:49 mircea_popescu humph. i've been trying for years to recall which the fuck it was.
12:49 mircea_popescu certainly. but very modernist illustration if memory serves.
12:50 mircea_popescu anyway, just because the japs' would have cut their own appendix out before permitting such a thing didn't mean the americans weren't vaguely excited and generally happy about the idea some other doods fucking the wives
12:50 mircea_popescu (now tell me : why weren't blacks permitted in the service ???)
12:54 asciilifeform iirc they had a black corps
12:55 asciilifeform used sorta like a штрафбат
13:02 mircea_popescu yeah, but had to be kept out of sight of the people sitting in trenches pillboxes etc dreaming about how big alien cock is holding mary sue five feet high in the air while reorganizing her viscerae.
13:02 mircea_popescu ie, "tentacle porn" consumers, possibly just as much "descend from usa troops in jp front".
13:04 mircea_popescu the ustardian view of females and male sexuality is not a free idiocy. it costs. this is what it costs -- all sex is inhabituation and if you insist on inhabituating boys with anything other than joyous and readily offered female sexual service, as was the norm in europe, you get tentacles and racism and whatnot.
13:05 asciilifeform that, or goat fucking, but it aint as if city bois had access to goats
13:06 mircea_popescu for some reason abram gannibal didn't have to be explained quite to the degree obama had to. i wonder why, and especially curious as to any explanations besides http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1729826
13:06 a111 Logged on 2017-10-27 17:57 mircea_popescu: "Итак, тебе не заплачу я: Но если ты простая блядь, То знай: за честь должна считать Знакомство юнкерского хуя!" is not some kind of fucking joke.
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13:22 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825742 << that's beautiful, ought to be distributed in major american cities
13:22 a111 Logged on 2018-06-15 16:40 asciilifeform: they had some ok ones, e.g. http://www.sovunion.info/posters/listovky/view.shtml?200
13:23 mircea_popescu oh which reminds me! yo douchebag whatever came of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-08#1794007 ?
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13:23 a111 Logged on 2018-04-08 01:43 douchebag: If I need to print off these flier, if I include the reciept of the printed fliers will you remburse them ?
13:26 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825631 << updated, but it's a novel way of using manifest though: normally it requires a regrind where manifest is built up as you go, so the press order is enforced through graph. right now your manifest gives a press order, that's not enforced by anything
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13:26 a111 Logged on 2018-06-15 13:10 diana_coman: phf, please add the last 2 patches of eucrypt: http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/05/03/eucrypt-chapter-13-smg-rng/ and http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/06/15/eucrypt-manifest-file/
13:26 mircea_popescu phf but it can continue thenceforth correctly can it ?
13:27 phf yes! hence "novel"
13:27 mircea_popescu seemed to me the implicit "how to update projects w/o regrinding them"
13:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform if not know d'annunzio, also not know rop ?
13:28 mircea_popescu rops*
13:28 mircea_popescu http://i-exc.ccm2.net/iex/1280/1124813875/1588098.jpg etc
13:29 mircea_popescu https://assets.catawiki.nl/assets/2015/10/6/6/8/0/680c8ac4-6c0c-11e5-8255-f5c8c939fd32.jpg
13:32 mircea_popescu "Perchè l'uomo ha nella sua natura questa orribile facoltà di godere con maggiore acutezza quando è consapevole di nuocere alla creatura da cui prende il godimento? Perchè un germe della tanto esecrata perversione sàdica è in ciascun uomo che ama e che desidera?"
13:33 mircea_popescu holy hell i can't read this inanity.
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14:25 deedbot http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/06/15/the-most-patriotic-i-have-ever-seen-the-uruguayos/ << Bingo Blog - The Most Patriotic I Have Ever Seen The Uruguayos
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14:40 diana_coman phf, well, it brings an existing project to the point from where it can be further changed/developed correctly; with respect to the past it makes now explicit the intended order (which existed anyway but was previously less strictly enforced meaning on branches and when those are brought together only)
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14:59 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825782 << seems to me that d00d got stuck in some sorta infinite loop
14:59 a111 Logged on 2018-06-15 17:23 mircea_popescu: oh which reminds me! yo douchebag whatever came of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-08#1794007 ?
14:59 asciilifeform ( hey douchebag ! ^C^C^C^C^C^C !1111 )
15:00 mircea_popescu possibru
15:00 asciilifeform whoknows maybe he wakes up before he ends up ^D 'd
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15:31 phf asciilifeform: i got a feeling pay for your tits ruined him in a sense that he got micro optimized for hustle (which seems like it was his default mode to begin with). the only time he popped up since was when you proposed a 1btc for H1 crack
15:36 mircea_popescu why that and not say http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-13#1798263 ?
15:36 a111 Logged on 2018-04-13 18:59 thatbitchlola: I used to sell heroin to douchebag same area as him
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15:37 phf ahaha, i missed that. well, that's certainly a higher probability take
15:48 mircea_popescu yes, but that leaves us unfettered to take on your unfactual feeling. why oh why, my dear phf, would you get such feelings ? hm ? HMMMM ?
15:49 asciilifeform witness the 'mysterious' lack of randos logging in and 'hey i heard something about btc, i can build an emp rig!11' etc
15:50 asciilifeform speaking of h1 , phf didja get a working snake ?
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15:50 asciilifeform or lose steam
15:50 asciilifeform *lost
15:51 * mircea_popescu 'd have made a great ximenez
15:56 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825804 << lol wasn't that one of the man's own sybilmuppets ?
15:56 a111 Logged on 2018-06-15 19:36 a111: Logged on 2018-04-13 18:59 thatbitchlola: I used to sell heroin to douchebag same area as him
15:57 mircea_popescu you know, contrary to your interpretation, i'm persuaded it was mostly actual orcs.
15:57 asciilifeform out of curiosity, why ?
15:57 mircea_popescu i don't know how to answer that question.
15:58 mircea_popescu for instance, do you think the deluge of fet girls is me talking to myself ?
15:58 asciilifeform asciilifeform's ( imho parsimonious ) model is that not 1 of the camgurlz touched irc , they got 5 $ or whatever for order of 'write these letters on yer tits' and douchebag worked the rest
15:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'm persuaded that yours exist ( mircea_popescu is not in the habit of making ??? up from 0 , and did post his spamatron src and overall methodology )
15:59 mircea_popescu but... same parsimonious model is parsimonious in the same way for the same reasons ?
15:59 mircea_popescu so there you go. "why! because i follow the clues offered / the story seems credible enough"
16:00 mircea_popescu there's a difference, of course, between "why would you" (ie, an in general discussion) and "why would i" which is much more speciffic and narrower. you were asking why-the-former, yes ?
16:04 mircea_popescu i also don't think you're going on random luser routers and load webirc to then up youself, disconnect and get aggitated. why not ? "parsimonious" etc.
16:06 mircea_popescu you realise this, yes, it's not just http://trilema.com/2014/askfm-laid-bare-or-whats-half-a-million-uniques-to-you/ or http://trilema.com/2017/the-incidental-humiliation-of-obamas-clean-energy-policies-marc-andreessens-internet-of-farts-and-other-such-comedic-gold-bricks/ nor does it stop there. if we actually wanted to ~replicate~ weev's idea of "success", we could simply take over millions of "private" home routers, load #
16:06 mircea_popescu trilema via webirc and thereby obtain DEGREES OF MAGNITUDE more... whatever it is, than "social media" ever could or ever did or ever would provide.
16:07 mircea_popescu because no, there's no fucking difference. "facebook traffic", aka http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-you-dont-know-or-understand-about-facebook-everything/
16:07 mircea_popescu "what can you do ?" "umm.... i wasn't prepared to be asked this question." what the fuck is that ? "people" ? in WHAT FUCKING SENSE ?
16:08 mircea_popescu things i can mechanically replicate aren't people, that's the fucking definition, and no other definition could ever stand.
16:22 asciilifeform not same degree of credibility. i can't picture mircea_popescu sitting and cooking up random faux chix ( why?! ) whereas can easily picture bored 19yo zek doing same
16:26 asciilifeform real planet earth doesn't seem to offer a continuum between 'waste of meat' and 'does worthwhile things' , tho it could theoretically exist somehow . somehow it loox to be a binary.
16:27 asciilifeform there might somewhere exist a 'i build emp probe on mondays and read reddit on tuesdays' fella. but i haven't met one yet.
16:28 mircea_popescu so you just make a guess.
16:28 asciilifeform ( there could even be somebody somewhere who drinks whore street cognac on mondays and smokes crack on tuesdays. but ditto )
16:29 mircea_popescu the whole argument was centered on incomputability. you know it's incomputable, therefore you agree the why is weak, therefore that's all.
16:29 asciilifeform i dun propose it's mechanically litmusable, for all i know the hobo i met who claimed to be ex-general, really was. but 'smart money bets against'.
16:29 mircea_popescu traditionally this is signalled by the linguistic token "why not", though none of the bleaters active today understands the meaning of this (or any other token, come to thionkl of it)
16:30 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i dunno whose smart money.
16:30 * asciilifeform tightens gasmask
16:31 * asciilifeform habituated to working with heuristics , and generally does not enjoy the luxury of operating as if errything were equally possible
16:32 mircea_popescu what do you mean "haven't met one yet" ?! you met one yesterday, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-14#1825321
16:32 a111 Logged on 2018-06-14 05:13 asciilifeform: .. or maybe not? somewhat contradictory fella
16:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu resolved the contradiction tho
16:32 mircea_popescu but ~you~ nevertheless met.
16:32 asciilifeform dutch is consistent , turns out, sack of sad
16:33 asciilifeform glitches in mental model dun count as 'met', just like lsd eater dun really 'talk to god'
16:34 mircea_popescu anyway, the operating difference here isn't "whether everything is equally possible" ; but rather "whether everything is equally uninteresting". in point of fact the situation where dood made up all the girls would be more ~interesting~ than the actual reality. that's how your notion of parsimony fails
16:34 mircea_popescu you seek ontological minimums irrespective of how they stand on the gnoseological potential space.
16:35 asciilifeform how'd it be 'more interesting' ?
16:35 mircea_popescu whereas, in reality, parsimony is multiplanar. you seek minimums, yes, but the simplest object is not strictly an existence concern.
16:35 asciilifeform pretty simple algo, take a 100 $ and a camwhore site, who wants -- can replicate
16:35 mircea_popescu and then keep them straight ?
16:35 asciilifeform ( supposing the prize weren't meanwhile gone )
16:35 asciilifeform it isn't a particularly impressive feat of keep-straight
16:36 asciilifeform plus on at least 1 occasion he let crosstalk leak
16:36 mircea_popescu i dunno why you imagine sybilling is free. it's not. in point of fact, the "use humans" is so much cheaper, all sybils known to date worked that way.
16:36 asciilifeform not even farting is free in this sense. but it's cheap.
16:36 asciilifeform and naturally he used humans, to generate the photos.
16:36 mircea_popescu mah work in reddit / fetlife / whatever machine-infiltration is pioneering specifically because ~nobody else~ ever fucking does this. because it's expensive.
16:36 mircea_popescu they instead try to "brigade", which is wetware sybilling.
16:36 asciilifeform ( asciilifeform does not posit that the photos were of anyffing but actual chix )
16:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, we're discussing the strings here.
16:37 asciilifeform right
16:39 asciilifeform how many shots was it, 71 ?
16:40 mircea_popescu i dun recall, something like that.
16:40 asciilifeform i see it as elementarily more parsimonious , to suppose that d00d ( who in every other visible to us walk of life took the utmost laziest examtaker shortcut ) generated 71 btc addrs , and hired $ 5 camwhores , than the notion that 71 females in total have even touched bitcoin.
16:41 asciilifeform much less visited 19yo zek's hovel under whatever pretext.
16:41 mircea_popescu this is not what's proposed.
16:41 asciilifeform what am i missing
16:43 asciilifeform is mircea_popescu's version that he , for some unknown reason all from same handful of ip, actually put them on the chan ..?
16:47 mircea_popescu your theory is that dood opened 71 irc sessions and typed stuff in ; his theory, which i said seems to me persuasive, was that ... well im too lazy to dig it up, he put it in somewhere, something to the effect of giving them an irc link.
16:47 mircea_popescu exactly like i or you do it, for that matter.
16:47 asciilifeform and not 1 of'em asked where the promised coin is, why she's getting a fiver instead of two bitcents ?
16:47 mircea_popescu not one.
16:47 mircea_popescu nikki_ff also never thanked you for the up. not that i told her not to, or to.
16:48 asciilifeform i suppose this one'll only get properly settled if/when douchebag confesses
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16:48 mircea_popescu the other one asked for the notes spyked hasn't yet published when and because i told her to, otherwise it'd have stayed private.
16:48 mircea_popescu and so on.
16:48 asciilifeform tho perhaps even confession won't suffice, sorta how conan doyle believed to the end of his days that houdini was genuinely powerful shaman, rather than stage artist
16:49 mircea_popescu or the guy for which the kugerrand is named believed earth is plateshaped.
16:49 mod6 wasnt there a bunch of them nagging about withdrawls tho?
16:49 trinque yeeeep
16:49 trinque :D
16:49 mircea_popescu basically alf has trouble internalizing just how disciplined modern zek is.
16:49 trinque and lemme just say, if that was douchebag or the other guy PM-ing me, gay.
16:50 mircea_popescu things come "natural" to them that blow the anthropologist away. that's what socialization even fucking is.
16:50 mod6 :D
16:50 mircea_popescu do you understand that all over this planet there's blkjfdl to the right of sldkjldkjf 99.99999% of the time, and almost NEVER the other way around ?
16:50 mircea_popescu why should this be ?
16:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: prolly for the same reason as http://www.loper-os.org/bad-at-entropy/manmach.html
16:50 mircea_popescu and my telling you blkjfdl = fork and sldkjldkjf = knife helps resolve this mystery ? HOW ? WHY ?!
16:51 mircea_popescu asciilifeform rather like that.
16:52 asciilifeform at any rate if it somehow comes out that douchebag's claim was 100% god's truth, and asciilifeform's -- cruel libel, i'll smile
16:52 asciilifeform but thus far d00d's works, if you will, are consistent with my picture.
16:53 asciilifeform no ferraris thus far, only cardboard cutout.
16:53 asciilifeform ( recall the illustrious reptilia and his auto )
16:53 mircea_popescu the greatness of "your picture", this and others, is that most things are "consistent" with them.
16:54 mircea_popescu takes a little bit of escherian margins, it's true, but the result is quite artisitcally impressive.
16:56 asciilifeform i'd be that mircea_popescu doesn't like magic shows much.
16:56 mircea_popescu i don't like impudent magic shows.
16:56 asciilifeform ( to appreciate magic show, you gotta be at peace with being tricked, if only for sport )
16:57 ben_vulpes (matchsticks!)
16:57 mircea_popescu i enjoy them inside of doors, when my girls do tricks. but pompous asshole imagining he actually tricks me... heh. noty.
16:57 asciilifeform seems like he might have , tho ?
16:57 asciilifeform if mircea_popescu actually buys the 'gurlz spoke on irc' bit
16:57 mircea_popescu sure.
16:57 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes don't remind him of that one, he's still not solved it i bet :D
16:58 ben_vulpes nor fuckin i
16:58 asciilifeform i promise i'd say, if i had, lol
16:58 mircea_popescu nor ever will ye. IT IS TOO MUCH ALIEN TECHNOLOGEES
16:58 asciilifeform it and 9000 good magic trix
16:58 mircea_popescu aha.
16:58 asciilifeform ( that asciilifeform also not solved )
16:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu would make a pretty killer houdini
16:59 mircea_popescu no, i can still get it up.
16:59 asciilifeform lol
16:59 asciilifeform pretty sure d00d didnt live longenuff to have problem getting it up
16:59 mircea_popescu ithought he was famous for it.
16:59 asciilifeform haven't heard this one, lol
16:59 mircea_popescu really ?!
17:00 asciilifeform nope
17:00 * mircea_popescu shrugs. let's call it "not had any children and go to bed".
17:09 asciilifeform how d00d managed to avoid impregnating anyffing in 1900s -- is indeed good q. ( perhaps -- magic!111 )
17:09 mircea_popescu lol. escapist ejaculate.
17:10 mod6 whoop der it aint
17:10 mircea_popescu hahaha
17:10 asciilifeform 'how did it get into arse?!' 'sleight of hand!'
17:13 asciilifeform there was episode where he exposed a (very fuckable) mindreading chix, on account of being the only referee who wasn't fucking her
17:13 asciilifeform i suspect that he didnt swing that way
~ 27 minutes ~
17:41 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825808 << slow progress, snake soldered but untested. i realized last night that i don't have any linux devices, and was too tired to figure out how to do usb-serial/../new_id equivalent on a bsd.
17:41 a111 Logged on 2018-06-15 19:50 asciilifeform: speaking of h1 , phf didja get a working snake ?
17:42 phf i picked an x1 carbon from a pile, going to put trinque's cuntoo on it while i'm on the road..
~ 16 minutes ~
17:58 mircea_popescu meanwhile in belle epoque rotaku, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFAXs4c9Ync
~ 17 minutes ~
18:15 asciilifeform phf: aaaactually you can test the snake with the selfsame cbook, plug 1 end into usbc and other into the usb3 jack . in dev mode shell you will get the ttys , and can connect
18:15 asciilifeform no 2nd box needed.
18:15 * asciilifeform brb, meat
~ 16 minutes ~
18:32 phf asciilifeform: i guessed that might be the case, but i ought to get that carbon operational again anyway.
~ 30 minutes ~
19:02 asciilifeform phf: x60 finally croaked ?
~ 35 minutes ~
19:37 mircea_popescu meanwhile in literature, "La décadence de cette ancienne maison avait, sans nul doute, suivi régulièrement son cours; l'effémination des mâles était allée en s'accentuant" (huysmans)
~ 43 minutes ~
20:20 phf asciilifeform: the way it looks x60 is not going to be replaced anytime soon, but it's running freebsd, and i avoid putting unstable stuff on it. i want a linux box for messy hacking though.
20:22 phf !!up abrelosojos
20:22 deedbot abrelosojos voiced for 30 minutes.
~ 15 minutes ~
20:37 abrelosojos !!up
20:37 deedbot You may not $up yourself.
20:37 abrelosojos !!v
~ 44 minutes ~
21:22 mod6 !!up loper_os_cr50
21:22 deedbot loper_os_cr50 voiced for 30 minutes.
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