#trilema | 2018-05-23

esthlos: what do you mean by fragment?

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mircea_popescu is also curious.

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mircea_popescu: perhaps naive model, in asciilifeform's head, but it would seem to me that in order for it to exist, it has to be either massive bag of usd , which eventually runs out, or to include a recirculator, i.e. some way to sell btc and get usd, in the system

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and given as there is no serious market to reliably sell btc for printola...

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or have private large buyers, or or or.

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this immediately comes back to the thief wires thing then.

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if the system has a usd intake.

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if, eg, i had found of bitcoin in 2015 as opposed to 2011, i might have conceivably bought a card concession like the debit store cards things, and simply offered it to the world until i had bought enough

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that I'm encountering two incommeasurable pictures of reality, and instead of solidly believing one, I try to straddle the gap. but this fails and always leaves me babbling incoherently

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they're not expensive to set up.

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right, 'bag' model

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asciilifeform was running a miniature ver of this, for pizarro, could say.

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alternatively, you know, can sell these chunks at auction, like usg pretends to have done. or w/e.

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but yes, broadly speaking, the model is either closed or recycled, as you say.

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the lack of closed model suggests that large fiatola holders prefer to buy coin on the sly or not at all. which makes sense in light of cowardice.

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to be clear, model A is standard USG model, where I most clearly see the fraud in the tech (if you recal, my original draw here was lispm, after I read history and saw current state of retardation), and model B is trilema, as I'm beginning to understand it

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asciilifeform: lol, you'd rather they move the market like crazy each time?

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they'd rather otherwise

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trinque: what market.

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gox chorus aint a market.

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so where'd you want them to buy again?

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i am not aware of a market in which large packets are advertised. the best kept secret of any brokerage, say, is when large packets are bought or sold.

00:14

if there is an actual free market in btc, i've never seen it, smelled it, heard it.

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asciilifeform, you're also deeply antisocial.

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on top of this, i haven't, i suspect, the table stakes.

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esthlos: I was looking for the thread where mircea_popescu mentions minds leaning schizoid or paranoid

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but be that as it may, many moons ago i eg sold some coins on an outfit davout worked for at the time ; they showed up in bank as advertised, closed at price as advertised etc.

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i believe.

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where is it now tho?

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i haven't been following so closely. iirc they at some point wanted i dun recall what paperwork, i sneered and turned off the light.

00:16

aa so absorbed into the beast then.

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anyway, what exactly is the standard you're following here ?

00:17

the elementary one: 1) no kyc, in any form 2) wot uber alles 3) no usg price-fiddling influence

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and i'm not even sure if 3 is physically possible

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me either. prices are finnicky, and price formation without actual economic activity a pipe dream in all cases.

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verily

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bitcoin is not yet economically integrated, like it or not.

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witness, even we, poll goxes to get 'usd rate'

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but we're working on it, evidently.

00:19

it bothers me that i can't even picture what a successful cut away of goxism would look like.

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trinque, http://trilema.com/2015/recursive-dunning-kruger/#footnote_2_60039

00:19

let's make a small gedankenexperiment , mircea_popescu

00:20

asciilifeform, afaik it looks like http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=!!pay-invoice+ben_vulpes+

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suppose we proclaimed , like ussr proclaimed for ruble, that btc is worth , e.g., 50k usd ea. nao and 4evah

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anyway, your 1 criterion is impossible -- to wire, must know at least an iban.

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but then anyone can come and work heat engine against usl

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*us

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aaa that's it! too bad search hasn't eaten the linked items yet

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asciilifeform, only for as long as they got the 50k or 1 btc.

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for so long as we're actually smaller than the goxes collectively

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aha

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mircea_popescu: i was speaking of usg-style kyc, with 'scans', 'where is the money from', clawbacks.

00:22

anyway, i struggle to conceptualize what it is you want here, in a way that'd take it out of storytelling and into reality. there's outfits selling gold for btc -- but they have to send it somewhere. iirc one even permits you to pick it up... but ummm... HOW are they to know "you" are picking it up ? and so on.

00:23

this "trade without physical existence" strikes me to come out of the same pot as "extrasensory events". really, ghost can interact with matter now ? how, prythee ?!

00:23

afaik each and every one of these, is guilty of selectively cancelling orders when exch rate swings wrong way

00:24

well, alternatively they charge an insurance. what third option is there ?

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esthlos: doesn't seem to me that the compartmentalization is anything other than a skill. only why be sad about it

00:24

this is a perpetual problem in time-settled deals, hence "cure period" trinque was mentiuoning etc

00:24

i don't demand the frictionless wheel, mircea_popescu . but currently all of the 'wheels' aint even round.

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they dun roll, at all.

00:25

they suck, you know how to push the buttons and make 'em go this way and that, enjoy it

00:25

i have yet to see a round wheel (to arbitrary standard of roundness).

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trinque: that's rather interesting. anyway, I'm sure you see the dilemma: everyone "successful" around me sees no fundamental problem with usg system, and when you say "this spec is atrocious; have you ever heard of the CLHS?" or any infinite variation on that theme, the only response is incredulity. but what, somehow I have the magic sauce and everyone around me is wrong? this is my current resistance to trilema thought

00:26

trinque: I'm a geometer, always searching for higher symmetries, unifying disjoint worldviews

00:26

anyway, the ~only time i was specifically interested, ie, when the question of defeating argentina's whore in the election was on the table, i personally moved macroscopic piles of dough for the purpose, with little difficulty.

00:27

i suppose i should say "i have no proof free market in btc exists as i've not given much of a shit re usd thence", but really now, how often needs the dough be proofed ?

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but i don't know, probably just have to grow up

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mircea_popescu: to be fair , pizarro dun necessarily need usd-flavour printolade, comceivably other flavours would suffice

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argentina did need, on account of its local crap being useless.

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rright i recall

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it went 90s-ruble

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gotta hit the sack for now, vtron tomorrow

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just about.

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esthlos: cya!

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nighty esthlos

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night!

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asciilifeform: what volume of printolade does pizarro need per month?

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coupla grand or something like that if memory serves

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trinque: see today + yesterday invoice

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or piz_tab

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!#s piz_tab

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4 results for "piz_tab", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=piz_tab

00:33

doesn't look like the whole picture, but I'm not going to piece it together myself

00:34

one option would be to formalize the process and present it to the wot; surely there's a few grand of buying per month on rotation at the very least

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trinque: i suspect that this is the only viable pill

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incidentally, i might as well put it in the open : if anyone in the l1 / my wot is trying to buy bitcoin but has trouble doing so, i'll sell you a few as a courtesy so we don't find ourselves in this situation where clerical difficulties enact a division in the republic.

00:36

but definitely feed eg pizarro first.

00:39

(and incidentally, a process for price formation was actually proposed, back in the pre-pizarro tmsr isp days : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1738849 )

00:39

Logged on 2017-11-15 11:26 mircea_popescu: every fixing day (arbitrary day of week we choose), tmsr.isp lists the TOTAL it has to pay, and makes a bitcoin/usd offer. it can be arbitrarily anything, but in practice it'll be the output of !~ticker --market all Volume-weighted last average: bit (which is fucking ridiculous already, we're tracking bitfinex who the fuck came up with this) or else whatever rate whatever exchange the isp uses.

00:40

though i'm guessing pizarro might actually prefer monthly rather than weekly fixings

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it irritates asciilifeform that hitler gets to set the exch rate, by way of goxes, and ride the waves

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but otoh the time for stalin's ruble peg prolly hasnt come quite yet.

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trinque: it's about 5kusd/mo, will go up somewhat in the near future

00:43

needs a wire and a WU-gram; and speaking of, BingoBoingo anything to report on the .uy corp formation front?

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asciilifeform, there is no possibility of secret pricing.

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you understand, there's a list of impossible economic objects, yes ?

00:43

who said 'secret'

00:43

" hitler gets to set the exch rate"

00:43

he sets it openly. just , today he knows tomorrow's rate

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iirc the stumbling block to a single transaction is that we want to avoid pushing BingoBoingo's local account over the minimum tax line. with i think the local equiv. of an llc BingoBoingo can receive money and it won't count as his income until it hits his account.

00:44

buit sure, you can limit the visibility to arbitrary set, say l1, and ask thjem to nda, if you must.

00:44

and trades on it

00:44

ben_vulpes, you wire to the dc acct neh ?

00:44

mircea_popescu: and then dc pays bingo his food allotment in cash from the extra?

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novel!

00:44

i thought that was the wu

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i guess i misread

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multiple wires being entirely impossible

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mircea_popescu: i dun like that it's tied to goxes, not the fact that it's public

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now now, i dislike the extra wire fees and coordination overhead trinque .

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asciilifeform, ah i see whjat you mean now, i thought you meant you hate the idea hitler can see pizarro-set price and ride.

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naaa

00:45

yes they are possible, and to date have been firing in tandem

00:46

albeit one to western union for reasons of tax bracket.

00:46

prices are published, how else, esp if selling, as we evidently must ( tho i muchly wish it werent so ) to heathendom

00:47

i'd guess a 5k ish wire is actually an "optimal" in the sense of "lowest worth actually wiring" amt.

00:47

here in this monkeystan, a wire costs fiddybux.

00:47

a wu, oddly, costs slightly less.

00:47

just about, more or less.

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( and independent

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asciilifeform, i thought wu was extortionate.

00:47

no clawbacks on the wu

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ly of qty, oddly )

00:48

there's your 15 bucks of overhead for interacting with the fiat banking system.

00:48

mircea_popescu: depends, apparenty, on receiving country

00:48

wasn';t it a "$5 if up to 50 bux, $20 if up to 100 bux, $75 if up to 1k which is max" or somesuch ?

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to ru.

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weird.

00:49

and admittedly i last saw during bush reign.

00:49

so if wu is cheaper and no clawbacks, why not use it

00:49

to BingoBoingostan -- 36.

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mircea_popescu: dc dun eat wu, afaik.

00:49

BingoBoingo: objected to walking two grand usd over the the dc; shit was busy at the time and i didn't press.

00:49

you asked them ?!

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he did ?!

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i don't have notes on this, he may contradict, but that is my memory.

00:50

hey BingoBoingo , does dc eat paper wu output ?

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i'm pretty sure there's a bunch of wu/store credit cards for bitcoin outfits that actually work

00:50

surety based on the fact that i now and again send girlies around the world various $nothings.

00:50

5k-weighing nothings ?

00:51

nah, fiddy bux or whatever.

00:51

did intel cast shade upon wu-firing localbitcoins accounts?

00:51

different, i suspect, worlds.

00:51

ben_vulpes, not afaik reviewed.

00:51

the reluctance to have cash in pocket might abate with proper human lodgings

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trinque: this, i press. and for reason.

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certainly

00:52

ben_vulpes, confirmed, not within scope of review.

00:52

while i agree in re 'penny saved is penny earned', wr and wu fee diff does not rank 1st, or even 20th, in the expenses table

00:52

it is somewhere below bus fares

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asciilifeform: fertile ground tho, no telling where the conversation might go.

00:52

asciilifeform, i dislike being skimmed, s'all.

00:53

makes sense

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http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1738849 << i had entirely forgotten this, ty mircea_popescu

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Logged on 2017-11-15 11:26 mircea_popescu: every fixing day (arbitrary day of week we choose), tmsr.isp lists the TOTAL it has to pay, and makes a bitcoin/usd offer. it can be arbitrarily anything, but in practice it'll be the output of !~ticker --market all Volume-weighted last average: bit (which is fucking ridiculous already, we're tracking bitfinex who the fuck came up with this) or else whatever rate whatever exchange the isp uses.

00:53

being shaved a half penny by dishonest riding broker is not anywhere in "will arbitrage work or not work" risk table either ; but so help me i'llfucking shoot the one that tries.

00:53

and so following.

00:54

not just wonder why the pennies are walking to the station?!

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hm

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i mean, "hm ?"

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cap de porc

00:55

i dun get what you're saying!

00:55

he wondered why the girlies walked to the station and didn't shoot the redditard

00:55

i think he's bringing up the fella who failed to shoot aha

00:55

wait, who did ?!

00:56

http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-22#360633

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Logged on 2018-05-22 19:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, http://uploads.gazetadecluj.ro/gazcluj/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/ion-clamparu.jpg << look at this ugly fuck. knowing he is known as "cap de porc" ie "pighead", tell me what he does for a living ?

00:56

ok, but how are the "rescued" hos figure into this ? why'd they shoot the random dweeb trying to convert them from honest workers into dependopopotami ?

00:57

the ho's are the pennies, the broker the redditard, mircea_popescu the pighead

00:57

oh oh oooohhh.

00:57

ok sorry about that, took me a while.

00:58

i'm planning to die on stage soon, this is good practice.

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ben_vulpes: yer riddles are nphard, lol, require stepping through all possible mappings!111

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^

00:59

for instance : given "he wondered why the girlies walked to the station and didn't shoot the redditard" the implicit read is "(he wondered why (the girlies (walked to the station) and (didn't shoot the redditard)))" not "(he wondered why (the girlies walked to the station) and (didn't shoot the redditard))"

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aha i also LL(1) parsed it

01:00

*whew* finally ate mega-l0g

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wd mod6

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15k words since last night, are4 you fucking kidding me, everyone current is reading two novels / week.

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well he wasn't pimping, they were chained

01:01

good evening Gentlemen.

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ohai mod6

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except of course novels are "jim opened the door" not "fuck you and here's 5 centuries' worth of accumulated reference in an endless maze HAAHHA"

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evening mod6 http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HPDq7/?raw=true

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mod6 looks

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asciilifeform bbl,sleep

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ni ni

01:04

should prolly change the topic to "if you'd like to help see $X, if you'd like to sleep you're fucked."

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mod6: belay that, read this http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/uh7Xt/?raw=true

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mircea_popescu: i am enjoying this pace!

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ben_vulpes: ok

01:12

ben_vulpes: Is there anything I can do to resolve my negrate?

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not hassle me while i chew through my whiteboard

01:13

Sounds good

01:13

i read the logs, saw your ping.

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danielpbarron

that you care about your bad reputation goes a long way for me, but i can't say there is anything in particular you can do to remedy. if you don't do anything else annoying i'll prolly switch it to positive the next time i go through my ratings.

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jurov: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/enD8E/?raw=true

01:16

Sounds good danielpbarron

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trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/PBypt/?raw=true

01:18

ahahaha oh man i just reread my douchebag rating

01:19

douchebag: yeah i'll drop the neg but you gotta work on picking up how shit works around here. the list of annoying crap you do is unenumerable but the two things that drive me personally up a wall are eg http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-23#361197 and then also posting screenshots of text

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Logged on 2018-05-23 00:20 douchebag: -----BEGIN RSA PUBLIC KEY-----

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which i can't even fathom dude because wtf you're willing to clutter up the logs with line after line of key noise and then otoh...screenshots

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Yeah, I'll definitely start using p.bvulpes.com more. It's just a bad habit because I use discord a lot where I can post multi-line messages & screenshots are automatically displayed to people.

01:25

dooooon't care, just stoppit. spend more time watching and listening and learning the cultural norms and if you're going to deliberately not follow them then i'm interested in your good reason per http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-23#361418

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Logged on 2018-05-23 03:16 mircea_popescu: "so what's wrong with following social convention ? it has its uses, such as you know, the rote possibility of meaning in language" "sure. there's nothing wrong with following social convention. but there's plenty wrong with attempting to enforce it on unwilling participants. maybe they have good reasons they're not following it ~in that case~."

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!!v E8314E9D628E6F35170D8D517C534BED72FB92C4D3DB073F929475394C4B6908

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ben_vulpes unrated douchebag.

01:28

I gotta catch some zzz's, but I'll talk to you all in the AM. Night!

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Night

01:28

later mod6

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<3

01:28

ya great softy

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:]

01:30

Mocky: why's that ada article not on the homepage of yer blog?

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also lol good footer

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01:48

mircea_popescu: Are you much of a wine drinker?

~ 17 minutes ~

02:05

not really ; i mostly keep up with the girls.

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http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817605 << i think he might have stolen it WITHOUT PERMISSION

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Logged on 2018-05-23 05:30 ben_vulpes: also lol good footer

02:09

on a scale of useless bullshit to practical for republican shared hosting, how useless are cgroups?

02:09

Ahh I see, saw an article earlier and I've had a taste for wine ever since

02:23

heh freenode webchat doesn't use ssl omfg!

02:27

asciilifeform: check my understanding of a thing please: if apache runs its own php pool, then user-level cgroups won't affect how much ram apache eats while serving a user's php, right?

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02:45

ben_vulpes, generally handled by ulimit neh ?

02:46

or what are you trying to achieve here ?

02:47

ulimit's per-process, yeah?

02:48

curious about how tractable, workable, and useful setting user-level memory limits on the shared hosting is.

02:48

it basically makes sure you can always talk to the box, even if apache maxes out, you won't be locked out of using say ssh.

02:49

that's probably some amount of useful.

02:59

it's the only amount of useful that makes sense. think about it : the whole point of the box is to pool resources. if you have 100 users and each can at all times use 1/100 of the ram you get much worse results than if there's 100 users and they can use whatever ram's available ; and if it gets too tight you start politely inviting the larger consumers to move up ion the world.

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trinque, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Jvk47/?raw=true

03:03

mircea_popescu: how is ram different from fs in the context of http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-18#358183

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Logged on 2018-05-18 01:51 mircea_popescu: be sure to make a point of pointing out this is true allocated fs space, as most everyone sells a number but delivers a best effort

03:04

much easier to enforce.

03:05

also much easier for user to interact with meaningfully, as the only way fs gets used up is by user personally putting something there ; whereas ram is eaten by 3rd party requests.

03:05

as in www?

03:15

lobbes, BingoBoingo (and mod6 and asciilifeform, mircea_popescu if he's inclined) here's a draft of the copy for the shared hosting landing page: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/PcA2p/?raw=true

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03:16

landing pages and ad copy is not a gadget i know how to work, so let me know what you think. this also has what i think the "

03:17

plans" should be, so look at pricing as well. if these rates are attractive to the market and we get out there and flog 'em i think there's some money to be made

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mircea_popescu recommends it to hanbot 's eye also.

03:31

ooh yes please

03:33

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816563 << on a fucking shared server ? gimme a break. personal fucking blogs, maybe some "baby's first steps with php". wtf else ?

03:33

Logged on 2018-05-22 16:11 trinque: "(b) la infracción a los derechos de propiedad intelectual e industrial" << so no seedboxen eh?

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04:10

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817453 << it's not so hard to end up the only repository of truth in a consensus-seeking group. the only thing consensus-seeking does predictably and well is error.

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Logged on 2018-05-23 04:26 esthlos: trinque: I'm a geometer, always searching for higher symmetries, unifying disjoint worldviews

04:11

your objection pretends to feed itself from "oh, there are 500 people here, they're all independent, and disjunct, and intelligent, what are the odds NO ONE ELSE found magos edible ?!?!".

04:11

except they're not 500 people in the first place, leave aside independent or intelligent. they're not even disjunct, they're just trying to monkey each other.

04:12

comparable to how copernicus needn't have been concerned re how the scholastics all agreed with themselves. of course they did, as part and parcel of what their cognitive system evben was, "consensus interpretations of aristotle".

04:16

magos = mangos, of course.

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08:29

http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-23#361702 << fixed

08:29

Logged on 2018-05-23 05:16 ben_vulpes: Mocky: why's that ada article not on the homepage of yer blog?

08:31

http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-23#361703 << you weren't supposed to read that...

08:31

Logged on 2018-05-23 05:17 ben_vulpes: also lol good footer

08:33

http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-23#361709 << nope, self-invented 10 days ago

08:33

Logged on 2018-05-23 05:54 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817605 << i think he might have stolen it WITHOUT PERMISSION

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09:03

Mocky: nope, still doesnt't show from your main page

09:03

or rather, only in header, but not in article list

09:05

yeah, it is a page not a post so not in post list

09:09

I can make it post, then it will show on main page, and archive

09:19

that's fixed now

09:20

meanwhile in classic trilema, http://trilema.com/2014/lets-pretend

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10:25

hey, ave1! I gave http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl-now-with-partial-and-parallel-build-support/ a run and I'm sad to report that it failed. attached a screenlog of the run at http://lmogo.xyz/randomio/gnat-musl-screenlog.0 (notice: file is ~5MB in size). unfortunately my hands are full now, so I've no time to dig further, but I'll provide any further info if you need.

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I'll also give it a shot on a machine with native gcc 4.9 (trying to do this in the weekend), to see if there's something wrong the system headers on the other one (so far this is the only guess I have re the failure)

10:34

Ah, a megalog night

10:34

lobbesbot

BingoBoingo: Sent 12 hours and 59 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> didja ever get that crate ?

10:36

asciilifeform: It appears the crate will be arriving today

10:41

oh hey.

10:43

spyked: this looks like classic gcc5ism

10:43

spyked: what ver gcc was it building with ?

10:44

asciilifeform, gcc --version returns adacore's (2016) 4.9.4

10:46

pretty odd

10:46

native gcc on the system is indeed >4 (5.4 to be more precise), but I expected that one to not be used at all? anyway, that might it. in this case I expect my next run to finish without trouble.

10:49

ave1, ^ if the error looks too cryptic, or if you've encountered it on broken systems -- or if you know that the system compiler is used at all, then don't let me waste your time. can report again after experimenting on system with proper gcc.

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http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817293 << i started writing a lispy make-temp-directory but the implementation is not particularly elegant (C concerns are at odds with lisp concerns), you can pouch the ccl bits though. i'm not sure if there's a better way to do errno handling, without relying on private ccl symbols

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Logged on 2018-05-23 02:43 esthlos: btw trinque, have made most of changes to vtron, just have to add mkstemp for ccl (which I know thanks to phf is #_mkstemp)

11:04

http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/25QyX/?raw=true

11:06

(i think a proper lisp interface ought to separate pathname defaults from the name pattern, so you call it like (m-t-d "fooXXX" #p"/tmp/") but return #p"/tmp/fooabc/". that's not a consequential concern for anyone except for me though)

~ 48 minutes ~

11:55

meanwhile, in a galaxy far away, 'where did bernstein go?' 'to write crappy stego apps' >> http://elligator.cr.yp.to ( https://archive.li/KwRAu )

~ 23 minutes ~

12:18

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817483 << Working on extracting incorporation pricing from candidates

12:18

Logged on 2018-05-23 04:43 ben_vulpes: needs a wire and a WU-gram; and speaking of, BingoBoingo anything to report on the .uy corp formation front?

12:24

BingoBoingo: is there a reason not to go straight to city hall or wherever the magic actually happens ?

12:25

why repeat the mistake with the accountant.

12:25

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817526 << I am wary of brining payments to the datacenter that they might lose, and during the earliest meetings they wrinkled their noses when I offered the possiility of showing up with envelopes of cash while waiting for a local bank account. I suspect they have a cultural hangup against eating anything other than wires due to their self images.

12:25

Logged on 2018-05-23 04:50 asciilifeform: hey BingoBoingo , does dc eat paper wu output ?

12:25

ave1

spyked, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817663, no problem in fact the opposite. This helps in getting the cowwebs out of the build process (I've also tested on machines with gcc 7). The build process is picking up the glibc linux headers at a point where only musl headers should be used. This is usually caused by a system library being picked up in the build process.

12:25

Logged on 2018-05-23 14:49 spyked: ave1, ^ if the error looks too cryptic, or if you've encountered it on broken systems -- or if you know that the system compiler is used at all, then don't let me waste your time. can report again after experimenting on system with proper gcc.

12:25

ave1

I will look into it further, but I have no time for it right now.

12:26

BingoBoingo: possibly they dun trust the employees to handle cash ? or aren't contracted with cash van co.

12:26

<asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: is there a reason not to go straight to city hall or wherever the magic actually happens ? << The paperwork prices for the gov's part is published online in a 3rd local currency, the "Index Unit" which needs to be converted to pesos.

12:26

<asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: possibly they dun trust the employees to handle cash ? or aren't contracted with cash van co. << Also common here

12:26

( handling cash in orcistan where cash van robbery is national sport, is , i'd expect, not inexpensive )

12:26

ave1

Could you check if you have any CFLAGS or LDFLAGS in your environment?

12:27

asciilifeform: https://www.agesic.gub.uy/innovaportal/v/2462/1/agesic/empresa_en_el_dia.html << One of serveral .gov.uy portals on the subject

12:27

<asciilifeform> ( handling cash in orcistan where cash van robbery is national sport, is , i'd expect, not inexpensive ) << Seems more like a tourist activity done by Chileños here

12:31

ave1, printenv | grep CFLAGS/LDFLAGS both return nil so I'm okay on that front. but my glibc/ld are post-gcc-4.9, so your explanation about system headers being used sounds plausible.

12:31

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817568 << When I tell the girls I am reading on the balcony they always ask "What book?"

12:31

Logged on 2018-05-23 05:01 mircea_popescu: 15k words since last night, are4 you fucking kidding me, everyone current is reading two novels / week.

12:33

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817627 << Will throw in the hopper

12:33

Logged on 2018-05-23 07:15 ben_vulpes: lobbes, BingoBoingo (and mod6 and asciilifeform, mircea_popescu if he's inclined) here's a draft of the copy for the shared hosting landing page: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/PcA2p/?raw=true

12:36

also holyfuq, what is 'index unit' ? is this like ye olde 'convertible ruble' ?!

12:37

asciilifeform: It's 3.6 ish pesos

12:38

https://www.agesic.gub.uy/innovaportal/v/6409/17/agesic/sa.html?padre=6407&idPadre=6 << This page shows the assorted filing fees as pesos

12:39

Much as dollars in Uruguay are U$S and pesos are $, the index unit appears as UI or IU

12:43

*

mircea_popescu is unsure mocky is ready for the whoa.

12:44

*

Mocky is unsure

12:46

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817644 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-03#1004896 (see eg http://thebitcoin.foundation/index.html )

12:46

Logged on 2018-05-23 12:33 Mocky: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-23#361709 << nope, self-invented 10 days ago

12:46

Logged on 2015-02-03 19:37 PeterL: mircea_popescu: "You do not have, nor you can ever acquire the right to use, copy or distribute this software" << should be "nor can you ever"

12:46

Logged on 2018-05-23 05:54 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817605 << i think he might have stolen it WITHOUT PERMISSION

12:49

damn

12:52

asciilifeform: Package made it, delivered to desk

12:53

http://trilema.com/2014/lets-pretend/#selection-257.0-257.156 ahaha eeepic.

12:53

BingoBoingo, win!

12:53

good to hear that in some form or fashion, things can make it there.

12:53

well I've seen the bitcoin foundation page before so evidently 'mocky invented' ~= 'mocky pulled from subconscious'

12:53

good thing you folk ~tried~.

12:53

Mocky, ha-HA!

12:54

1:0 beotch, take your alfred and fuckgoats it!!!1 mwahahaha.

12:55

reminds me of the time I 'invented' the trie in anger, meanwhile knuth vol 3 sitting on my desk (having not finished vol 1)

12:57

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817664 << did you mean "poach" as in what a poacher (hunter on other's lands) does ?

12:57

Logged on 2018-05-23 15:04 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817293 << i started writing a lispy make-temp-directory but the implementation is not particularly elegant (C concerns are at odds with lisp concerns), you can pouch the ccl bits though. i'm not sure if there's a better way to do errno handling, without relying on private ccl symbols

12:57

BingoBoingo: congrats!

12:57

Mocky, wait till you get to "cheating in wolf form".

12:58

BingoBoingo: took 20 days, from moment order put in, to nao

12:58

BingoBoingo: of which only 5 was spent , according to dhl, for crate to travel to UY

12:58

Everything after the scans were ack'd spent waiting for inspection.

12:59

BingoBoingo: and the cable cost 9.92 usd, but in total crate cost 57.58 usd , plus whatever BingoBoingo paid ( anything ? bus fares ? )

12:59

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817678 << i expect.

12:59

Logged on 2018-05-23 16:26 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: possibly they dun trust the employees to handle cash ? or aren't contracted with cash van co.

12:59

asciilifeform: It came to my desk once DHL got it back from Aduanas

13:01

!~ticker --market all

13:01

jhvh1

asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 7622.55, vol: 13732.14374654 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 7609.0, vol: 33476.92354476 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 7616.0, vol: 6972.7722204 | Volume-weighted last average: 7613.33503099

13:02

!!invoice ben_vulpes 0.00756304 FG<->rockchip TTL cables ( incl. orc delivery )

13:02

Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/a6YJM/?raw=true

13:03

!!v 643E588AD1C290B0358F5C0D268ED12167F9AD6E709F259685086DF6E8116C56

13:03

Invoiced ben_vulpes 0.00756304 << FG<->rockchip TTL cables ( incl. orc delivery )

13:04

^ this item, it appears cost literally its weight in gold, to deliver.

13:04

check it out lol, 10k reported sales brought it down 10%. such orcland prices.

13:07

mircea_popescu: i was thinking moar re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817438 thread. it is almost certainly the case that the usg gox ensemble would try to prevent a hypothetical usg-long mircea_popescu from buying up all of the coin and sending price to maxint. but what could they do to prevent 9000 types of insect who show up to buy 9k coin to take to 'we give 50k/per' dispenser.

13:07

Logged on 2018-05-23 04:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, only for as long as they got the 50k or 1 btc.

13:07

seems to me that anyone with a bag of usd, could thermonuke the gox price-dampener scam.

13:08

without any direct contact with goxes.

13:08

*usd-long

13:09

in general the way the proxy game is played is exactly like that, by proxy.

13:09

but yes, your intuition is broadly correct : usg lacks both the actual size and the self-perceived size of soviet russia. as a result, they don't come out with a "x per rouble" statement.

13:09

but is there a flaw in asciilifeform's logic ? if the goxes are really as shallowly supplied with btc as previously suggested, it ought to take a quite modest bag of usd, to do them in. and yet nobody's done ?

13:10

however, they also lack the very military modesty of soviet russia, being instead old spinster maids. so they make a ... "here's a not really value we were only kidding k ?"

13:10

like 15yo girls trying to get fucked if it's not painful.

13:10

asciilifeform, nobody other than you will attempt to play the game on enemy terms.

13:11

plox to expand ?

13:11

( 'nobody can be arsed' is imho a valid hypothesis, and i've nuffin to offer against it )

13:12

i'm not "earning" the sub's submission. you read say http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NQRtP/?raw=true now on the third pass through the logs ?

13:12

'this tank , it is inflatable, why to waste a bomb on it;

13:12

'

13:12

it's not that "nobody can be arsed". is that, unlike asciilifeform , nobody regards website-with-random-numbers as relevant. i also don't spend my time trying to "be mentioned by new york times".

13:12

!#s !~ticker

13:12

665 results for "!~ticker", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=!%7Eticker

13:13

^ not counted as 'regard as relevant' ?

13:13

tangentially, "Before December 2017, there was no market for bitcoin derivatives." https://www.frbsf.org/economic-research/publications/economic-letter/2018/may/how-futures-trading-changed-bitcoin-prices/

13:13

and no, it's not because of girly reason-substitute ("oh, it's too hard, rite, that's why you don't spend your life rasiing my spawn, because you ain't got what it takes!!!!") either.

13:14

recall, whole subthread started as, roughly, as asciilifeform:'why is there a gox in our process loop'

13:14

nyt is not in our process loops. yet for some reason gox is.

13:14

imho this is a bug.

13:15

asciilifeform, curl "http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ticker" | grep "mircea" | wc -l

13:15

% Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current

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Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed

13:15

100 27050 100 27050 0 0 64381 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 82721

13:15

1

13:15

the republican substitute for this purpose was documented last year. yes ? no ?

13:16

there's a substitute that doesn't use gox temperatures for anything ?!

13:16

o for fucks sake. will you start reading the logs at any point, or is the douchebag issue contagious.

13:16

i'm not objecting to the 'opens tcp to to usg server' part. but to the price signal.

13:17

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817543

13:17

Logged on 2018-05-23 04:53 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1738849 << i had entirely forgotten this, ty mircea_popescu

13:17

i did read this ( both 1st pass, when posted, and last night )

13:18

alright! so then what is the problem ? you wanna use gox for settlement, you're allowed. you don't wanna, there's an alternative scheme. you wanna use something else, all the better.

13:18

i intend to do this for the july bills.

13:18

it does not solve the problem ( am i only one who sees it as problem ? ), merely moves it , like the orthodox j00z moved their bread oven lighting to goy-modem

13:18

why sit and fret that "which thing i choose to do -- is the thing i choose to do" ?

13:18

i don['t follow.

13:19

if tomorrow usg decides 'btc will crash to 5k' and moves the arrow on goxes to 5k/per , everybody goes 'it's 5k', even folx who swear they never look at a gox. imho this is a bug. and no i do not have a proposed pill. is all.

13:20

so basically your objection is "why don't i have more friends" ? i dunno, why don't you ?

13:20

in linked thread , asciilifeform asks the q of whether this problem is even theoretically approachable.

13:20

have more friends / be nicerf to the folk who, however ineptly, tries to be your friends, talk to more people, etc.

13:20

and yes it prolly reduces to what mircea_popescu said, 'suck slightly less'

13:21

well ? i mean what, you want to control the future now, as a SIDE POINT ?

13:21

controlling the future is the ultimate point, there's no "if onlyt i could control the sunrise time i could make myself some cheap coffee"

13:21

'neuter the goxs' ability to ride pseudo-price wave' is not equiv to 'control all future', neh

13:21

it is.

13:21

because the reason the gox exist is that they're cheap to make, and therefore the democracy makes.

13:22

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817713 << I'm unfamiliar. I found this: http://trilema.com/2016/introducing-permanence/#comment-117184 But I don't understand. Many things here I struggle to understand in real time, in this case at all.

13:22

Logged on 2018-05-23 16:57 mircea_popescu: Mocky, wait till you get to "cheating in wolf form".

13:22

and it's way the fuck more expensive and involved to neuter all mosquitoes than it is for a mosquito to lay eggs.

13:22

they're cheap, but observe what happened to the ones that wouldn't reliably play ball with hitler. all of the current goxes exist by crown sufferance, afaik.

13:22

doh.

13:23

sending some thugs to scare the peons is the 2nd cheapest thing in the book.

13:24

so, to return frame upstack, per mircea_popescu the problem is not solveable short of total victory and nurembergification of the culprits etc ?

13:24

( horses watered in the potomak river , etc )

13:25

the problem defined as "alf does not want there to exist such a thing as a website printing random numbers" can not be solved in general. it can be rendered mute, but only by nuking the web, and the sort of item that produced it, which is to say neets.

13:26

if and only if everyone's in chains, then and then only can you be entirely sure nobody's linked two z80 chips together and cycling "alf is a pooperhead" back and forth between them.

13:26

can maybe skip the sophistry ? problem is emphatically not 'www site prints random numbers', but 'usg controls root of price signal hierarchy'

13:26

but anyway, im off to manage some efforts to research the world for pizarro's benefit inter alia, so bbs.

13:26

laters.

13:26

dude wtf is wrong with you.

13:26

usg controls A POSSIBLE ROOT.

13:27

you want to not credit it, don't. you want nobody to credit it, HAVE MORE FRIENDS.

13:27

wtf.

13:27

http://qntra.net/2018/05/us-embassy-staff-member-suffers-alleged-sonic-brain-injury-in-china/ << Qntra - US Embassy Staff Member Suffers Alleged "Sonic Brain Injury" In China

13:28

this is reaching penis-theft proportions of lol

13:29

ben_vulpes: gotta love the 'sonic attack' usg.partyline idiocy. described item ( supposing it physically took place ) is 100% consistent with rf injury.

13:37

wouldn't put it past either the usg or cn engineering departments to fail at recreating the su rf-illuminated snooper but to screw up the power by a few orders of magnitude

13:38

ben_vulpes: the rf-illuminated snooper was re-created in '50s and is used by 100% of world today

13:38

( see e.g. nsa 'ant-2' catalogue, for a dozen examples )

13:39

!#s ragemaster

13:39

1 result for "ragemaster", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ragemaster

13:39

^ e.g

13:39

http://67.225.133.110/~gbpprorg/mil/photoanglo/ragemaster/index.html << re-create it yourself.

13:40

^ funnily enuff, his junkyard magnetron, is a... 'Decatur MV715 RangeMaster'.

13:40

perhaps orig usg author's -- also was.

13:42

http://67.225.133.110/~gbpprorg/mil/photoanglo/index.html << whole site, lulzy.

13:44

<asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: gotta love the 'sonic attack' usg.partyline idiocy. described item ( supposing it physically took place ) is 100% consistent with rf injury. << Or transient ischemia which is common in the chair sitting classes.

13:53

BingoBoingo: 17 'transient ischemia' in 1 day ?

13:53

i suppose it's possible if ~whole thing is disinfo , in the style of http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-18#1326332

13:53

Logged on 2015-11-18 14:54 asciilifeform: shinohai: 'i heard that ivan won a car in the lotto.' 'yes! but not ivan but piotr, not a car but an overcoat, not in lotto but at cards, and not won but lost'

13:53

asciilifeform: Sure, Poorly designed chairs and lunch high in vitamin K

13:53

lol

13:55

But no one talks about the Aeron Thrombolyticus Maximus chairs being installed that day

~ 51 minutes ~

14:46

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817710 << yes, i seem to make these kind of homonym errors a lot actually, and i reread the sentence every time, but don't see it until the issue is pointed out.

14:46

Logged on 2018-05-23 16:57 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817664 << did you mean "poach" as in what a poacher (hunter on other's lands) does ?

~ 2 hours 46 minutes ~

17:33

meanwhile, in entomology dept, https://archive.li/Uj74z << the reich claims ownership of all satellites

17:47

danielpbarron

in the is-deedbot-working dept, http://danielpbarron.com/2018/no-country-for-old-men/

17:57

http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TVDPi/?raw=true

17:57

There appears to be an issue w/ homebrew and Eulora.

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17:57

wtf is 'homebrew'

17:58

It's a MacOS package manager

18:08

douchebag: yeah it's the mac part

18:08

possibly the homebrew part

18:08

could be all the way down in the ruby

18:11

on a less glib line, homebrew changed the calling syntax on the tap. you should read the error message for the correction instruction.

18:13

brew edit $formula might help, but i ditched the mac nigh for reasons of pervasive upgradism like this a year ago, haven't looked back, can't suggest that you spend much time doing battle with republican softs on the crapple.

18:14

asciilifeform: it's a rubby trojan horse masquerading as a package manager that posts ~/.gnupg to www.google-analytics.com

18:15

lol notbad

18:15

douchebag: have you tried installing gentoo on your macbook?

18:16

ben_vulpes: I use MacOS as my main OS because it's actually pretty nice for work. However, all of my sensitive stuff (PGP) happens in Linux VM's

18:16

douchebag: a vm on the macbook?

18:16

Mhm

18:16

i do not think this does what you think it does

18:16

Can you elaborate?

18:16

what does using a vm on a compromised computer getcha?

18:17

Well, although many people will disagree with this statement. I'm a pretty boring person, and I'm not too concerned about if the NSA is watching me - if the NSA wants to watch me they will do it regardless.

18:18

so why bother with the vm

18:19

Even though most Linux applications work just fine with MacOS, a lot of them don't.

18:19

gnupg does, so for the third time why are you using a vm, what do you imagine it gets you

18:20

I'm not really imagining it does anything, I just happened to make my keypair in the VM because that's what I was using at the time I created thm

18:20

them*

18:21

ever wonder about how the deterministic number generator on that vm was configulated?

18:22

Nope, not really. Can you tell me about that or provide some resources?

18:24

i'm obliquely suggesting that you have nfi how your keys were put together because the layers of abstraction are too thick.

18:24

the debian rng bug is a good example of hosed RNGs, that's a fine place to start

~ 35 minutes ~

19:00

!!up LordMPofTMSR

19:00

LordMPofTMSR voiced for 30 minutes.

19:00

heya.

19:00

sat dish mp ?

19:01

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817820 << pretty lulzy ; but then again if you ask them...

19:01

Logged on 2018-05-23 21:33 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in entomology dept, https://archive.li/Uj74z << the reich claims ownership of all satellites

19:01

asciilifeform, yeah, hanging out with the neet crowd.

19:02

found it by accident when asked q of 'when's the last time they caught a sw pirate' ( answ: apparently not since 1st bush term )

19:02

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817823 << the only person who either managed or almost-managed (or, i guess, were going to manage) running eulora on mac was phf, maybe two years ago. i dunno it ever went anywhere ; nor am i all that sure macs are computers.

19:02

Logged on 2018-05-23 21:57 douchebag: There appears to be an issue w/ homebrew and Eulora.

19:02

LordMPofTMSR: anyffing good ? casino chix ?

19:02

notrly.

19:04

LordMPofTMSR: getting any nontrivial proggy to build on crapple, is a herculean labour , and typically not imho worth it

19:04

the vm on the mac thing was pretty great.

19:04

( commandline items like ffa generally work; anything with video/audio -- prepare to suffer )

19:05

imperial boons : a wife is a female that agrees with you for as long as you're not saying anything and a mac is a computer that works for as long as you're not trying to run anything.

19:05

all the solved problems!

19:05

at one time , 2001-2014(?) it was ~usable as a xterm -- until they stopped shipping x !

19:06

download the carplanesubmarine app for not going anywhere!

19:06

ok, I found it: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-09#1401054 http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-09#1401055

19:06

Logged on 2016-02-09 18:09 mircea_popescu: cheat as much as humanly possible

19:06

Logged on 2016-02-09 18:09 mircea_popescu: then turn into your wolf form and cheat some more.

19:06

('hey, all the other commercial unix vendors croaked, we can do the bait an' switch nao')

19:06

Mocky, wd.

19:08

asciilifeform, in nomine diaboli avocando, maybe x finally became too large a pile of hair, exceeded their capacity to translate hair to wet noodles.

19:08

god knows x has had cancer for a decade.

19:08

they used same one, iirc, for ages

19:09

then i dunno

19:09

it eats disk, and they started selling a series of boxes with ludicrously small ssd, in 2010s, and decided that it can vanish

19:09

a that may be it then

19:10

'store moar lolcats'

19:10

my log reading suggests that asciilifeform has a massive workbench with projects in progress: e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-09#1401016

19:10

Logged on 2016-02-09 17:51 asciilifeform: jurov: my unreleased prototype is driven using (local) irc listener, yes

19:11

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817840 << this is not so different from saying "i have plenty of blood, and if the lice wants to get it they'll get it regardless." hygiene is not directly a consideration of denying the alimentary cycle of parasytes ; it's rather a question of self-respect, and in the 2nd line a question of socialization, because no matter how cool you might be "otherwise", at least some chicks won't fuck you with lice no matter

19:11

Logged on 2018-05-23 22:17 douchebag: Well, although many people will disagree with this statement. I'm a pretty boring person, and I'm not too concerned about if the NSA is watching me - if the NSA wants to watch me they will do it regardless.

19:11

what else.

19:12

Mocky: quite a few folx, not only asciilifeform .

19:18

LordMPofTMSR: I know, I just haven't seen evidence proving MacOS is comprimised other than the fact that it's a large company

19:22

well, i think most people hate them because they're inept and unwieldy, not specifically "compromised" whatever that even is.

19:26

douchebag: the pushing of multigigabyte files to "your" computer doesn't make you pucker at running gpg on the thing?

19:26

this is not a very secure perspective, mon frere.

19:26

or or, have you tried deleting "iPhoto"?

19:26

I've been running MacOS for about two years, prior I used Linux for 6 years. I love my Macbook, I find that I can multitask a lot better, the window manager is great

19:26

it doesn't tile, what fucking great.

19:26

ben_vulpes: I don't have iPhoto installed

19:27

purged it manually, after throwing the "no seriously i am a grownup" switch?

19:27

fwiw xquartz works fine

19:27

reports are that even exwm works with it

19:28

from coinbase: "Get $10 of free Bitcoin for every user you refer!" why not eth, ltc...

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douchebag: the incessant whining to "upgrade!", the lockout of gdb shy of signing executables for execution, none of this screams "not your computer! get your hands out of the machine!" to you?

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!!up LordMPofTMSR

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LordMPofTMSR voiced for 30 minutes.

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ben_vulpes: I've never had any issues doing what I need to do, I can get root privs so I never really noticed any issues.

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is "can get root privs" all you need to feel comfortable using gpg on the thing?

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they would never back your whole hdd, precious linux vms and gnupg keychains and all to icloud, no never.

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who the fuck needs the 'whole hdd'; why not just the key log.

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i'm not prodding you about "issues" you mighta "noticed" but to think about who's involved in your decryption and signing flow.

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you won't notice lead in the water until your kids are born all fucked up either.

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nevertheless, "once upon a time we made cars in flint, and the water was unsafe to drink in mexico. these days, they make the cars in mexico and flint's water is poison."

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http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817823 << the taps you're using are for previous release of eulora (which already had some odd issues on mac, but worked). i took a stab at updating them when the latest release came out, and enough targets moved that it was again non-trivial to build the stack. i've managed to hand build it/jerry rig homebrew to build it, but the result out of the box was working even worse (mostly i lost textures entirely). around t

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Logged on 2018-05-23 21:57 douchebag: There appears to be an issue w/ homebrew and Eulora.

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hat time it was concluded that the effort of mac upkeep is not there, and i believe that's also when mp/diana decided to go with a custom protocol for a future non-crystal space implementation

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*jury rig

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crystal space has some complicated, xml based module system, and planeshift, i believe, approached that module system not necessarily from first principles either. i couldn't really devote enough time (and i spent couple of weeks on the whole thing the first time as it is) to figuring out how the whole thing is supposed to come together. it's definitely possible to run it on mac, but the effort literally costs more than buying a dedicated linux box

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http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817898 << guess. meanwhile some other coinbase prints a "bitcoin domination" % (spoiler : it's very low, bitcoin dun matter bla bla bla), and then WHENEVER bitcoin moves the ENTIRE list of "blockchains" and "cryptocurrencies" movesd in sync. anyone with half a fucking clue would observe that if the movement is 100% coupled then yes tyvm, bitcoin domination = 100%. but then again, democratic

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Logged on 2018-05-23 23:28 ben_vulpes: from coinbase: "Get $10 of free Bitcoin for every user you refer!" why not eth, ltc...

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mind dun wanna.

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http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-24#1817911 << note that the protocol; is re comms ; what client uses is entirely at client writer's leisure.

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Logged on 2018-05-24 00:29 phf: hat time it was concluded that the effort of mac upkeep is not there, and i believe that's also when mp/diana decided to go with a custom protocol for a future non-crystal space implementation

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http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817627 << that thing is terrible ; not even worth fixing. complete re-do.

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Logged on 2018-05-23 07:15 ben_vulpes: lobbes, BingoBoingo (and mod6 and asciilifeform, mircea_popescu if he's inclined) here's a draft of the copy for the shared hosting landing page: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/PcA2p/?raw=true

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ok

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evenin TMSR~

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