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00:07 asciilifeform !!up simonpenner
00:07 deedbot simonpenner voiced for 30 minutes.
00:07 simonpenner thanks and hi
00:07 simonpenner I've been invited here it seems
00:07 asciilifeform hello simonpenner. who might you be ?
00:08 simonpenner just a guy with opinions
00:08 simonpenner https://twitter.com/SatoshiShinohai/status/824947540688777220
00:08 simonpenner https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/824718526921449473
00:09 BingoBoingo Aha, you did get the invite
00:09 asciilifeform simonpenner: register a gpg key, per http://deedbot.org/help.html , then you will be able to voice yourself.
00:12 simonpenner BingoBoingo: I poked my head in here the other day on a fake name via webchat, to figure out what it is. Now I've got a bouncer set up and can IRC again
00:12 simonpenner to clarify in case you missed this: I did not write the days of rage post, that is a guestpost
00:12 simonpenner I did write liek 3/4ths of the rest of the site tho
00:13 BingoBoingo I did see that, but what can a person do?
00:13 simonpenner lol
00:15 BingoBoingo brb, news
00:17 simonpenner !!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ZtDIA/?raw=true
00:17 deedbot 2DE76FFD304CC7554792C06003D9B08C7502B214 registered as simonpenner.
00:18 BingoBoingo !!rate simonpenner 1 New News
00:18 deedbot Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/0RG4D/?raw=true
00:18 simonpenner what does that mean?
00:18 BingoBoingo !!v EE3FA0DF50F005DD03FB1C9C145151F6C9DA94729B36A14C87EF17D46DA7B8E4
00:18 deedbot BingoBoingo rated simonpenner 1 << New News
00:18 BingoBoingo simonpenner: You can now give yourself voice
00:19 BingoBoingo !!help
00:19 deedbot http://deedbot.org/help.html
00:20 simonpenner oh I get it
00:20 simonpenner you did a pgp auth right there?
00:21 BingoBoingo Indeed
00:21 BingoBoingo Well not an auth so much as a challenge/response
00:22 BingoBoingo Auth implies state and state is bad
00:22 simonpenner oh so you're all functional programmers too?
00:22 simonpenner or anarchists?
00:22 simonpenner or both?
00:22 BingoBoingo It's a mix. I am primarily an alcoholic in recovery.
00:23 BingoBoingo danielpbarron is an aspiring Theocrat
00:23 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes likes cars and wants his computers to be more like his cars
00:23 BingoBoingo asciilifeform is a dog that thinks himself a cat
00:23 BingoBoingo etc
00:24 simonpenner I mean, cats > dogs
00:25 BingoBoingo Depends on the work
00:30 simonpenner well thanks for the invite. interesting place here
00:30 simonpenner which one of you invented btc? :P
00:31 ben_vulpes simonpenner: cats are pests
00:31 BingoBoingo We haven't quite figured that out.
00:32 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: How do you control vermin population without cats?
00:32 asciilifeform i suppose ben_vulpes catches rats with own hands
00:32 simonpenner well foxes are like a hybrid dog/cat with the best of both worlds
00:32 simonpenner so you're on the right track I think
00:32 ben_vulpes what catch, my envelope has integrity
00:33 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Sure but the GARDEN!!!
00:34 simonpenner I've a cat. I love. I used to have a dog (ex's dog), I loved him. Both are good
00:37 BingoBoingo !!up simonpenner
00:37 deedbot simonpenner voiced for 30 minutes.
00:37 BingoBoingo simonpenner: Voice yourself
00:37 simonpenner 1 sec
00:39 mircea_popescu oh also terrorists
00:39 simonpenner see about that
00:39 mircea_popescu please to not forget the terrorists.
00:39 simonpenner am I going to get swat guys busting down my door for hanging out here?
00:39 mircea_popescu asciilifeform he misspelled. "pets".
00:40 mircea_popescu simonpenner allegedly.
00:40 BingoBoingo simonpenner: Nah
00:40 simonpenner lol
00:40 simonpenner I figure if you were actually up to no good you probably woudln't do it in public
00:40 asciilifeform simonpenner: you will, but there is a long queue, i've been waiting for gassing since '13
00:40 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9924E4C4DC7F32111B55091323E34CB4E15F9E1AAAFE1501993E1C23DF2F488A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1572...4187 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '81.210.54.28 (ssh-rsa key from 81.210.54.28 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (waw-srv2.kba-polska.pl. PL)
00:40 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9924E4C4DC7F32111B55091323E34CB4E15F9E1AAAFE1501993E1C23DF2F488A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1693...0403 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '81.210.54.28 (ssh-rsa key from 81.210.54.28 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (waw-srv2.kba-polska.pl. PL)
00:40 mircea_popescu this is a very naive presupposition.
00:43 BingoBoingo !!up simonpenner
00:43 deedbot simonpenner voiced for 30 minutes.
00:43 mircea_popescu oh he still can't self voice ?
00:43 simonpenner thx
00:43 simonpenner I can, just slow
00:43 simonpenner drinking makes crypto hard
00:43 mircea_popescu simonpenner so what do you do, other than aving started a blog last year where ppl guestpost
00:44 simonpenner I write software, people give me money for it
00:44 mircea_popescu any particular kind ?
00:44 simonpenner webstuff
00:44 mircea_popescu ic
00:45 simonpenner and you?
00:45 mircea_popescu you didn't bother googling me did you
00:45 mircea_popescu i'm fabulously rich, i don't do anything.
00:47 simonpenner I did, apparently didn't read far enough
00:52 simonpenner you've sure got an interesting story
00:53 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/01/first-wave-of-attorneys-challenges-trumpreich/ << Qntra - First Wave Of Attorneys Challenges Trumpreich
00:54 mircea_popescu lol ahahaha wait, derpy left narrative is now that random judge can STAY an executive order ?
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00:55 mircea_popescu in what fucking alt-universe is this how things work.
00:56 oglafbot http://oglaf.com/conjecturing/ << This one
00:58 mircea_popescu mmm. "savant of the strange, herald of the hypothetical, expert enigma"
01:00 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AC10BA793FB8C7D91493BFBE1A4B57AF12EDD346DF4B9F9A2F3AB0B22F278266 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1579...0943 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.57.179.29 (ssh-rsa key from 212.57.179.29 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown RU CHE)
01:00 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AC10BA793FB8C7D91493BFBE1A4B57AF12EDD346DF4B9F9A2F3AB0B22F278266 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1793...2933 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.57.179.29 (ssh-rsa key from 212.57.179.29 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown RU CHE)
01:05 mircea_popescu and today in epic butthurt : http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/08/31/radicalizing-the-romanceless/
01:06 mircea_popescu tl;dr : guy who inexplicably considers himself qualified to opine on others fails to understand why is it that spurious dude with no skills or abilities is spurious.
01:06 mircea_popescu "there is no good answer!!11" really ? "yes, because i will not consider the obvious point that this guy's supernumerary"
01:07 mircea_popescu "but he's a hard worker and gives 110%!!!" yes but 110% of shit is still worth nothing.
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01:28 BingoBoingo Well, then why does he have nipples?
01:29 mircea_popescu i have no idea.
01:31 BingoBoingo Compost all the supernumerary!
01:31 mircea_popescu 110%!
01:33 BingoBoingo Seriously a broken google cache link in the piece to http://mattforney.com/fat-girls-dont-deserve-loved/ Why no real link?
01:37 mircea_popescu because most of this shit is ephemeral, like the shitheads who author it.
01:37 mircea_popescu "With no experience or knowledge of the worlds of science, art, or literature, and deprived of the sheer necessity to earn their subsistence, my patients are rich in nothing but time on their hands, and so they embark upon the Liaisons Dangereuses of the slums. " from the much better https://www.city-journal.org/html/rush-judgment-12282.html
01:38 mircea_popescu In their late twenties the most intelligent among them say to me, "There's something missing in my life, but I don't know what it is." ; and i grin and if they have nice tits and are tall enough i show them to their cell.
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08:10 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ED7A32587D2275512A200ECD69E2758A918109BB6B82E71D130792461084B71A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9224...0213 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '186.167.34.114 (ssh-rsa key from 186.167.34.114 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown VE A)
08:10 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/756EA7EC2D73642CCB8E5FB086B32B42C7353C39CF1732A6FDFB57FE1A26C7A6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1156...5983 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '211.143.38.10 (ssh-rsa key from 211.143.38.10 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CN 43)
08:10 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ED7A32587D2275512A200ECD69E2758A918109BB6B82E71D130792461084B71A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1156...5983 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '186.167.34.114 (ssh-rsa key from 186.167.34.114 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown VE A)
08:10 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/756EA7EC2D73642CCB8E5FB086B32B42C7353C39CF1732A6FDFB57FE1A26C7A6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9758...1617 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '211.143.38.10 (ssh-rsa key from 211.143.38.10 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CN 43)
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10:51 deedbot http://www.contravex.com/2017/01/29/lavarice-et-lenvie/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - L’Avarice et l’Envie.
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11:59 asciilifeform in other lelz, https://www.dhs.gov/news/2017/01/29/department-homeland-security-response-recent-litigation
12:00 mircea_popescu heh
12:13 mircea_popescu o hey, in other lulz turns out sarah schneider (college humour) published topless for teh fappening.
12:15 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/do-you-understand-how-the-world-works/ << Trilema - Do you understand how the world works ?
12:17 Reuel mircea_popescu, diana_coman, re: your criticisms, I would say that, at the higher level, there is a choice in target audience, people who live democracy as implemented in the west and agree with it will find no trouble wasting time on a game like this, since it mimics familiar mechanisms (even if broken). In this particular channel, probably not enough ppl would be interested.
12:17 Reuel Then, if it would have to be implemented with what you would call more sane basics, the in game money would need to come from somewhere. Could be solved by making each vote costing actual irl money. Maybe even make many of the in-game actions cost money. So, either a per action cost that can be paid, or each player pitches in at the start to fill the nation's coffers.
12:18 Reuel I would say this would greatly increase complexity, as well as the cost of mistakes in the implementation.
12:19 mircea_popescu how can you make an evaluation as to what people'd do ?
12:19 Reuel I think, you believe that the choice in what to vote in is totally free.
12:19 Reuel But it would be a designed lawbook
12:20 mircea_popescu you don't take my meaning.
12:20 mircea_popescu let's work a thought experiment.
12:21 mircea_popescu so in a nameless city on a nameless street a spot of commercial space opens up. it has all the amenties and whatever.
12:22 mircea_popescu two people are interested in this space. one guy is a dwarf alchemist. he wants to put in there a large cauldron and other things, according to a complicated scheme he has, which at all junctures is justified formally and specifically, but in general it all backs into "because it'd be cool to do".
12:22 Reuel haha
12:22 Reuel i get it
12:22 mircea_popescu the other guy is an elven astrologer. she wants to put in there a large couch and other things, according to a complicated scheme she has, which at all junctures is justified formallyt and specifically, buyt in general it all backs into "because i think people'd like this".
12:23 mircea_popescu now, if the dwarf runs into trouble, his retort is work ; and if the elf runs into trouble, her retort is drink.
12:26 mircea_popescu much like to the elf and her friends any round refusal of "considering what people like" smacks, residually and vaguely, of "racism" ; just so to the dwarf and his friends any round refusal to refuse to consider "what people like" smacks, residually and vaguelly, of laziness. ie, the only reason the elf's an elf is because she's aforedecided she won't put in any work, and all that's left for her thereby is astrology and "what
12:26 mircea_popescu people would like".
12:35 Reuel seems like two extremes though
12:35 mircea_popescu well they're mythological creatures.
12:36 mircea_popescu but the problem remains : i can tell you why any engine doesn't work in all cases ; you can't tell me why people like or don't like anything in any case.
12:37 mircea_popescu to use a ballas-ism, people who allign their future to that vector how did it go
12:38 Reuel in the simple case of my game, it would be, at the bottom, the same as action movies for a large part of the population, power fantasies
12:38 mircea_popescu "the vast majority who have aligned theyir psychology to this vector will pursue an impossible fantasy at the expense of their labour and their lives."
12:41 mircea_popescu Reuel if i were into that, why wouldn't i do exactly what the retard with "coreboot" did, or that unmentionable dimwit with "tor" ?
12:41 mircea_popescu seems to me there's already a social media democracy game which costs nothing to enter ; and at least in the fantasmagoric minds of half the pariticpants promises to pay out.
12:41 Reuel haha
12:41 Reuel yeah
12:42 mircea_popescu if they were gonna put half a hour into the female gossip thing you describe, they'd have already found livejournal / instagram / whatever they use these days.
12:43 Reuel so the game is absolutely no match for the channel, no problem
12:43 Reuel my main goal here was to make a bot as to get involved a bit
12:44 mircea_popescu you mean an irc bot ?
12:44 Reuel the game I can still unleash on the unsuspecting masses
12:44 Reuel yeah
12:44 mircea_popescu so make a logger, look at Framedragger phf ben_vulpes 's for inspiration.
12:44 Reuel thing was I already started on the voting game back end
12:44 Reuel but, is there a need for a logger?
12:45 mircea_popescu well, only in the limited sense that it'll allow people to evaluate you.
12:45 Reuel fair enough
12:45 mircea_popescu why, you had a better idea ?
12:47 Reuel no, but if I make something useful, that would be of more benefit I guess
12:48 mircea_popescu well, there's various actually useful projects waiting for a hand. such as for instance http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-22#1588182
12:48 a111 Logged on 2016-12-22 06:41 mircea_popescu: ok so a) gotta see if ext2 / ext4 CAN EVEN HOLD this many symlinks. like, at all.
12:48 mircea_popescu go do hdd profiling on large symlink load, very useful.
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12:50 Reuel this is then partly hardware related as well then?
12:50 mircea_popescu not really, the inquiry is mostly re os
12:50 Reuel its setting up an experiment, not making a bot though
12:51 mircea_popescu yes.
12:51 mircea_popescu oh, you want a bot specifically ?
12:51 Reuel so this would be best to do on a clean hdd
12:51 Reuel ?
12:51 Reuel nah
12:52 Reuel Im looking to improve standing after all, although a bot sounded interesting
12:52 mircea_popescu well yeah, you want a hdd. if it's new or old don't su much matter, but empty.
12:54 mircea_popescu do you understand the bitcoin end of things ? are you running a client ? ever got a v-build of trb to run for instance ?
12:54 Reuel no
12:54 Reuel i see it ties into bitcoin in the log but
12:55 Reuel is it necessary to run an experiment that answers your question
12:55 Reuel necessary to understand
12:55 Reuel the bitcoin aspect
12:55 Reuel ive ran core and other coins core but no deep knowledge
12:55 mircea_popescu ah. well, from a simple "cs competency" perspective, doing a trb build first is very good practice. i'll familiarize you with what's here a minimal bar of qualification and anywhere else above the reach of graduate students somehow. and it'll show you the power of the tools and the quality of the engineering.
12:56 mircea_popescu then you can look through mimisbrunnr and see the sort of load bitcoin db implies, then you'll be in a fine position to model adequate tests for the profiling thing above
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12:57 Reuel ok
12:57 Reuel step one is setting up a node then?
12:57 mircea_popescu use v to set up a trb node yes.
12:57 mircea_popescu see mod6's scripts
12:57 Reuel this works in ubuntu?
12:57 mircea_popescu should yes.
12:58 Reuel or should i use another os
12:58 mircea_popescu and if it doesn't, that's both interesting and you're already building standing as you say.
12:58 Reuel ah ok
12:59 Reuel good, I will start there then
12:59 mircea_popescu people generally look to answer the very simple "who the fuck is this guy again ?" ; "he found that quirk on so and so linux flavour" is a better response than "i dunno, he just started talking one day".
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13:24 asciilifeform btw mircea_popescu's list of Open Problemz imho should include (~usable~, unlike solrodar's) trb flow-graph
13:24 mircea_popescu yeah
13:24 asciilifeform it is much harder problem than i suspected originally.
13:24 mircea_popescu what was the problem there ?
13:25 asciilifeform !#s mouse find cheese
13:25 a111 4 results for "mouse find cheese", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mouse%20find%20cheese
13:25 mircea_popescu prolly should be memorialized in detail.
13:25 asciilifeform a graphical circuit with more than a handful of crossed lines is ~unreadable.
13:25 mircea_popescu myeah.
13:28 asciilifeform you want two things,
13:28 asciilifeform 1) relateds-physically-near-relateds
13:28 asciilifeform 2) minimal crossing.
13:28 asciilifeform this is -- noshit.jpg -- np-hard.
13:28 mircea_popescu iirc we discussed doing a sort of iterated attractor thing
13:28 asciilifeform there are well-documented algos for approximating solutions to this class of problem.
13:29 asciilifeform (simulated annealing, for one)
13:32 asciilifeform this is one of those items whose lack will be sorely felt every time sane folx go on a burst of Reading Old Code
13:32 mircea_popescu myeah
13:34 asciilifeform and the problem becomes ~tractable~ -- as many do -- when you know which guaranteed non-solutions to discard, e.g., per thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-02#1222081
13:34 a111 Logged on 2015-08-02 16:03 asciilifeform: the most critical thing re: the graph is probably to make it reflect ~only function calls~ rather than class membership
13:36 asciilifeform btw flow-graph is entirely isomorphic to electrical pcb routing.
13:36 mircea_popescu aha.
13:36 asciilifeform (where you also have Shortest Tracks and Crossing Is Expensive)
13:39 asciilifeform flow graph aside, it is interesting to note that existing tools for analyzing cpp hairballs do almost ~0 useful work.
13:39 asciilifeform for instance, can haz 'show me ALL OF THE PLACES MEMORY IS ALLOCATED'
13:39 asciilifeform dun exist.
13:40 asciilifeform assorted wankery, and generation of faux 'documentation' -- sure, by the megatonne.
13:40 asciilifeform useful inference ? none.
13:41 asciilifeform there's a thing for finding ~some~ buffer overflows. and that's it.
13:41 mircea_popescu myeah.
13:47 mircea_popescu actually a long term "c++ toolkit" is probably a very worth republican project. it's accessible by parts, like seen here, even if the parts are really above pay grade of most folk, and is certainly unevitable. we're stuck with a lot of c++ code and this isn't going to go away.
13:48 asciilifeform it isn't even a mega-mystery what this will have to look like:
13:48 asciilifeform modified gcc , with forcibly-removed AST-covering panties,
13:48 asciilifeform exposed to a lisp.
13:48 mircea_popescu probably, yeah.
13:49 mircea_popescu on the good news front, we do have lisp-in-linux-on-irc already.
13:49 mircea_popescu imagine a v-tree code analysis bot.
13:49 asciilifeform it isn't clear to me though that there are so many cpp hairballs that justify the salvage effort
13:49 asciilifeform trb is the only one i know of first-hand
13:50 asciilifeform and solely because of the 'grandfather's pistol' aspect
13:51 mircea_popescu there's also linux ; and eulora ; and gcc. and for that matter... emacs.
13:51 asciilifeform on this list eulora is the only cpp proggy...
13:51 mircea_popescu not linux ?
13:51 asciilifeform ( mircea_popescu uses 'c' and 'cpp' interchangeably, but they are quite different , the way heroin and cocaine differ , though both are simply 'dope' to the uninitiated )
13:52 Framedragger linux is pure c, no?
13:52 asciilifeform pure c.
13:52 mircea_popescu i like the place where you live ; and would love to visit sometime.
13:52 Framedragger (re. v-tree code analysis bot, mmm sounds hot.)
13:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: kernel is 100% c/asm, wat.
13:53 mircea_popescu kernel is a ... kernel.
13:53 asciilifeform ditto userland toolz.
13:53 asciilifeform the only cpp in my pogo build was trb.
13:53 mircea_popescu what can i tell you.
13:57 asciilifeform to briefly revisit upstack, the difference matters here in the respect that a ~cpp~ call-grapher is a ~much~ taller order, because of the OOP soup
13:57 mircea_popescu yes.
13:57 asciilifeform (in cpp you not only have function calls, but invocations of methods, on objects with wildly varying lifespans and scopes)
13:57 asciilifeform and many 'action at a distance' idiocies
13:58 asciilifeform y'know, crapolade that dijkstra warned against in 1972, when it barely existed even.
14:00 asciilifeform imho it may or may not make sense to make a tool just for trb. just as raising most ww2 sunken submarines is not +ev, only the ones full of nazi gold.
14:01 asciilifeform or how cia/howard hughes built a massive robotic salvager JUST for that one sov sub.
14:01 mircea_popescu this is not exactly true. the raising of nazi submarines is +ev for nation-state ; as shown once ru sub sinks.
14:02 asciilifeform afaik most german subs are still right where they were left, on the bottom.
14:02 asciilifeform hence the inference that 'it's -ev'
14:03 asciilifeform then again i would not be the first to know, if this weren't so.
14:04 asciilifeform re hughes 'glomar explorer', story is that even AFTER cover was blown, the thing was sent to do the ~job claimed in the cover story~ -- undersea mining. and not 'raise ww2 ships', which even after the robot was built, remained -ev.
14:04 asciilifeform (mining was ditto -ev and thing was quickly auctioned for scrap)
14:05 asciilifeform or, hm, not so quickly. so perhaps it had undocumented adventures.
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14:55 shinohai In tacocat news: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cs7EuMGW8AAT7uZ.jpg
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15:33 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: except trump's caddy to be every bit as brash. and are the amerikans still claiming a growing economy ? really ?
15:33 deedbot http://www.contravex.com/2017/01/29/a-glimpse-of-great-during-the-first-week-of-great-again/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - A glimpse of Great during the first week of Great Again.
15:34 pete_dushenski apologies also for the delayed responses. as ^^ points out, i was away and pretty, pretty, pretty unplugged.
15:37 pete_dushenski danielpbarron: i hear you. and no disagreement here. pride will dig you into unnecessary ditches from which you'll then have to climb out. also, yw for auctioneering :)
15:37 pete_dushenski twas a good time.
15:42 asciilifeform in other wtf, old mobo comes back to life just as i readied to hoist replacement into place.
15:42 pete_dushenski heh the survival instinct was strong in that one
15:52 pete_dushenski in less acute instincts, this has to be the lousiest author bio i've seen in a while : "Gary Leff is one of the foremost experts in the field of miles, points, and frequent business travel - a topic he has covered since 2002. Co-founder of frequent flyer community Milepoint.com, emcee of the Freddie Awards, and named one of the "World's Top Travel Experts" byConde' Nast Traveler (2010-Present) Gary has been
15:52 pete_dushenski a guest on most major news media, profiled in several top print publications, and published broadly on the topic of consumer loyalty."
15:52 * pete_dushenski was reading up on trump's new eo for entry-exit
15:53 pete_dushenski wtf is most major news media ?
15:54 simonpenner pete_dushenski: is that this visa denial one or is there another one now?
15:55 pete_dushenski simonpenner: same one. sectioon 7 relating to biometric entry-exit tracking was just getting a bit of traction on the second go-around
15:56 pete_dushenski *section
15:56 simonpenner oic
15:58 pete_dushenski not that exciting, really. just thought the dude's bio was lulzy
16:03 pete_dushenski in other lines between the lines, even the lefty design pubs are finding it fashionable to besmirch globalism : https://www.fastcodesign.com/3067578/exposure/the-monotony-of-globalism-32-cities-32-identical-hotel-rooms
16:03 pete_dushenski it's not that the rooms are even all that similar, just that you gotta subtly prime the coming nationslism every way possible
16:04 pete_dushenski slism on some slissurp
16:06 mircea_popescu eh they couch surf anyway
16:08 Reuel Am I still up
16:09 mircea_popescu the half hour thing is for noobs only.
16:09 Reuel Ignore my test, also, have you guys automated the login process with the OTP etc?
16:09 mircea_popescu what do you mean ?
16:09 Reuel for yourselves
16:09 Reuel just wondering
16:10 mircea_popescu yes but what are you wondering ?
16:11 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: lol *expect
16:11 Reuel well I have to copy paste he OTP, run cmd line stuff, etc, just curious how many here automated the process
16:11 mircea_popescu ah. i haven't.
16:11 mircea_popescu if you end up losing connection a lot better fix your bouncer set-up than automate your identity
16:12 Reuel ah yeah there's some security risks ofcourse
16:13 mod6 this might be worth a read: http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-airgap-a-practical-guide/
16:14 Reuel oh yeah I read that before but had no practical use for it as yet, liked it though
16:14 mircea_popescu how goes mod6
16:14 mod6 very well, Sir.
16:15 mod6 Despite all of the recent discussion around multiple roots... I was able to get that working in the forthcoming version.
16:15 pete_dushenski bbl
16:15 mod6 At least, it looks like it's good so far.
16:15 mircea_popescu nice
16:15 Reuel but I can't wait to boil disks in tomato juice
16:16 mod6 I'm starting a huge testing phase as we speak. I thought it was worth the effort to /try/ get it working for others.
16:16 mod6 And looks like my couple of days playing with it paid off.
16:16 mircea_popescu bolognese!
16:18 mod6 Oh, speaking of cured meats... I hit up the deli again today and picked up a bunch of different salami.
16:18 mircea_popescu actually i was speaking of the pasta in tomato sauce with minced meat dish, but nevertheless :D
16:18 mod6 lol, these people think i'm nuts. they're like, "mod6, how much do you want? quarter pound?." i'm like waving it in. "gimme the whole thing."
16:19 mod6 so to the tune of boiling in tomato sauce... I did this.
16:19 mircea_popescu lel
16:20 mod6 but then after that, i scrubbed them all with very corase sand paper.
16:20 mod6 then after that I blow-torched 'em.
16:20 mod6 then after that I used a pair of metal cutting scissors and cut them in to very small pieces.
16:20 mircea_popescu "and then after i had threw them at the ugly mothers of my enemies"
16:20 mod6 if that doesn't do it, well then fuck me.
16:21 mod6 lol, exactly.
16:21 * diana_coman recollects of all a sudden a pocket-book from childhood: "Taiem porcul. Cum il preparam?"
16:21 mircea_popescu lol!
16:22 mircea_popescu diana_coman did you see that "amintiri din epoca de aur" antology ? there's a segment there re apartment gassing of pig.
16:22 mod6 Looks ike a decent meat book.
16:23 mircea_popescu mod6 pretty much 20th century ro traditional pig slaughter.
16:23 mod6 that would be awesome, actually.
16:23 diana_coman mircea_popescu, I missed that it seems
16:23 mod6 someday, I really wanna get into butchery
16:23 mircea_popescu when i was a kid ~every male was supposed to be able to do this.
16:23 mircea_popescu under pain of childhood.
16:23 mod6 yeah, its a basic life skill.
16:23 mircea_popescu diana_coman it's not terrible. mungiu &co.
16:23 mod6 i totally missed out on that.
16:23 diana_coman mod6, it was actually quite decent
16:24 mircea_popescu mod6 nothing you can't learn in a week. provided of course there's whom to learn from.
16:24 mod6 If shoot a moose or slaugher a pig, or whatever, gotta know how to take it apart and preserve the meat. Basic.
16:25 mircea_popescu moose is itself a coupla days for 3 people.
16:25 mircea_popescu not really same thing as pig
16:25 mircea_popescu chet actually did that in her alaskan youth.
16:26 mod6 Aha, I bet.
16:27 mod6 I was watching this recent show about this part of alaska that's now been deemed only for wild-life. It's this huge area in the artic circle. Some people still live there though, as they were granfathered in.
16:27 mircea_popescu i don't expect the whole "not for people" libertard thing will last.
16:27 mod6 Only like 7 families remain. Most of them live off of moose & caribu I would guess. Fish. etc.
16:28 mod6 I would like that kinda thing I think. Maybe in another life.
16:28 mircea_popescu maybe in another life you come as the caribou!
16:29 mod6 lol! and may the gods make me swift.
16:29 mircea_popescu srsly.
16:30 mircea_popescu anyway, yeah, the north is not particularily unfriendly food wise. it's just cold. meanwhile the south utterly sucks for food.
16:32 mod6 I suppose there are alyways things to hunt. Just not quite as large of game maybe? Although in the south east, they love, for instance, alligator.
16:32 mod6 Which can be pretty big I suppose. I had it once. Was pretty tasty.
16:33 mircea_popescu i had it in alabama. pretty good.
16:33 mod6 When I was out west, most of the deer were "mule-deer" much smaller than their northern conterparts. But there were wild-boar... so I guess I guy could have his pick from jack-rabbits or boar, or mule-deer. *shrug*
16:33 mircea_popescu sort-of shrimpy
16:34 mircea_popescu mod6 well if you mean north as in "past artic circle" then i mean south as in "past tropics"
16:34 mod6 I remember it being like a greasy chicken type thing. Even had some dark meat in there.
16:34 mod6 Ahh.
16:35 mod6 Yeah, no idea what they might have as far as game down in that region. Aside from like snakes. That's what I think of. Snakes.
16:35 mircea_popescu gnu
16:37 mod6 This one site says that there is amazing big game hunting in .ar: cougar, white-tail deer, "brocket" deer, and 'peccary'.
16:37 mircea_popescu ar is not really tropical though
16:38 mircea_popescu more like kansas
16:38 mod6 *nod* it is fairly warm there. it certainly isn't like where I'm at. I mean, it's less extreme. Here it gets really hot and humid in the summer, and extra cold in the winter.
16:39 mircea_popescu yeah nothing like cold.
16:39 mircea_popescu summers are humid though, my ac is literally pouring out a faucet.
16:40 mod6 aha. the autumn in .ar is pretty plesant though.
16:40 mircea_popescu ya prolly best time
16:42 mod6 In the summer, does it cool off quite a bit at night though?
16:43 mod6 So walks are not so punishing?
16:44 mod6 Wow. Tomorrow is supposed to be 34 deg. C.
16:44 mod6 Batten down the hatches.
16:51 mod6 <+diana_coman> mod6, it was actually quite decent << right on. how've you been lately? how's eulorian things?
16:52 mircea_popescu not really. i don't think it ever gets under 15
16:53 diana_coman mod6, fighting the planeshift jungle mainly; so Foxy gets to roam eulora mostly; did you ever get to set the client up ?
16:53 mircea_popescu mod6 it's not even "34 C". it's that the air is so moist, getting this to 24 is about 3x the joules it'd take you to get it to 24 in a sane climate.
16:54 mod6 ah. huh.
16:55 mod6 diana_coman: well, i've got a box. my main focus has been getting these V changes put in. and pretty much think that's complete, but got a ton of testing in front of me.
16:56 mod6 but, i'll see about getting that new client setup. i kinda want to use foxybot to mine stuff for me.
16:56 mod6 best game evar basically.
16:58 diana_coman mod6, testing is still in the future of eulora mostly ; sadly; and I get what you say there: I wouldn't spend the time now to set the client up if it wasn't already there and ready to be left on its own for days at a time
17:00 mod6 it actually doesn't take long to set it up at all. but i need every spare minute possible for V atm. but when I have a few spare cycles, I'll get that going. at least I have a box for it now.
17:01 mod6 as far as testing, it can not be understated how important the automated tests were for V to ensure that regressions did not happen. would be great to eventually have a framework build up for eulora so that functional and unit testing could be inplace the same way.
17:02 mod6 that could be an entire role for someone aspiring to help out in all seriousness.
17:03 mod6 I need to get the ball rolling for something like that with TRB as well.
17:03 mod6 we have very few tests, and we need probably thousands.
17:03 mircea_popescu myeah
17:05 mod6 eventually maybe, anyway.
~ 31 minutes ~
17:37 ben_vulpes http://www.thelocal.at/20170128/hotel-ransomed-by-hackers-as-guests-locked-in-rooms
17:37 mircea_popescu ahaha
17:37 mircea_popescu fail open, those derpy locks, did they.
~ 34 minutes ~
18:11 mod6 the current #trilema-mod6 log is pretty short, but I've done some upfront testing with mulitple roots. If you want to see the info, here's a log link to the goods: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema-mod6?d=2017-1-29#0fde4881-aaa8-4bf7-ba7c-9c0bd0d3856c
18:14 mircea_popescu o hey
~ 50 minutes ~
19:04 mod6 oh fwiw, like we discussed, I also added a "multiple roots found, continue?" question for the user.
19:04 mod6 http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/UGLyy/?raw=true
19:04 mod6 ben_vulpes: i like how wotpaste works in lynx btw.
19:13 asciilifeform sooo went over 'resurrected miracle' mobo with magnifying glass, there is indeed a leaking electrolytic cap (and a few pre-death ones, bulging like botulistic tinned food)
19:13 asciilifeform the odd part is that the thing boots and memtests etc. nao.
19:14 mod6 weird. must be within error tolerance eh?
19:15 asciilifeform knife's edge
19:16 mod6 re: question for the user to proceed with multiple roots; this adds a level of annoyance. thoughts?
~ 25 minutes ~
19:41 mircea_popescu take out of seals people who cause the annoyance.
19:45 asciilifeform 'multiple roots' is 100% inevitably caused by patch curator (i.e. v operator) and never the submitters
19:45 asciilifeform i can trivially cause it on my box by throwing, e.g., FUCKGOATS genesis, into trb dir...
19:49 mircea_popescu myeah. rather than "proceed yes/no" it shouldask you which genesis you mean.
19:57 asciilifeform i still see 0 logical reason why 'flow' command has to barf -- it can happily display both flows. 'press', on the other hand, will NEVER have any problem knowing which flow to press to point P
19:58 asciilifeform any pressable P relies strictly on one particular genesis.
19:58 mircea_popescu ...
19:58 mircea_popescu are we going to go through this whole thing every single fucking time someone brings it up ?
19:58 mircea_popescu by now it's more like trolling than anything.
20:00 asciilifeform hey i genuinely disagree that power saw needs an 'am i sawing finger' sensor.
20:01 mircea_popescu so we'll have semantic difference between press and flow now./
20:01 mircea_popescu why not add the outside temperature to the flow. it'll be better that way.
20:08 asciilifeform unrelatedly, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/7dYa4/?raw=true
20:08 asciilifeform ( re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-29#1609373 )
20:08 a111 Logged on 2017-01-29 05:54 mircea_popescu: lol ahahaha wait, derpy left narrative is now that random judge can STAY an executive order ?
20:11 mircea_popescu if only people knew activist judges can stay executive orders, how much fun obamacare'd have been\
20:11 mircea_popescu pity earth sciences hadn't discovered this golf cross pattern earlier.
20:14 asciilifeform only works for the left.
20:14 asciilifeform as is typical.
20:18 mircea_popescu in the sense magic only works for the shaman lol
20:20 asciilifeform in so far as 1) activist-judge is still a judge, and mr.t's dhs 'announced that it will obey judicial orders' and 2) the rapefugees were let out of the airport and happily on their way to $destination -- it works.
20:20 asciilifeform the Have Rights (tm) (r) yousee.
20:21 asciilifeform *they
20:22 mircea_popescu i dunno what one must be smoking to imagine this will ever occur, but hey.
20:23 mircea_popescu inasmuch as derpy slum-dwellers with delusions of participation and importance believe it does, more power to 'em.
20:23 asciilifeform didja read the link ? or what, it is disinfo, and order will not be carried out ?
20:23 mircea_popescu what link ?
20:23 asciilifeform the ruling
20:24 mircea_popescu lol ruling. who cares.
20:25 mircea_popescu next congress is going to pass a debt ceiling or something.
20:25 asciilifeform how's that relate ?
20:26 mircea_popescu look, at the height of bushomania the dude's breaking-the-law dept was declaring on its website that "they obey the laws". and nixon's, idem. because wtf are they going to be, men ? the next mp, state "take it an shove it" plainly like that ?
20:26 asciilifeform there's a set of derps sitting in airport. they either get let in past customs -- or not let in. physical fact. activist-judge proclaimed 'let in.' and by all indications, mr.t -- kowtowed.
20:26 mircea_popescu meanwhile all sorts of dorks can importantly say whatever they please.
20:26 mircea_popescu they're not getting let past customs.
20:26 mircea_popescu the chances of black person without a twenty dollar bill making it in the us today is ~0.
20:27 mircea_popescu all the judges in the world gathered in conclave can do jack shit about this ground fact.
20:34 mod6 Hm. Well, maybe I'll take out the check then. And it's really up to the operator.
20:34 asciilifeform i for one like being able to correctly display ALL v-pressables on my entire box.
20:35 asciilifeform in 1 command.
20:35 asciilifeform but maybe that's just me.
20:38 asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/NPPE9/?raw=true << california joins the 'zerg attack'
~ 57 minutes ~
21:36 ben_vulpes dear lispers, what would compel someone to put a defpackage form inside an eval-when?
21:40 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: vodka
21:40 mircea_popescu antifreeze.
~ 1 hours 37 minutes ~
23:17 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> hey i genuinely disagree that power saw needs an 'am i sawing finger' sensor. << Ideally saw operator has said sensor
23:25 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/42BFA23A5B8BD5858D86542AC3B9E17B33BC241C0BD81EA720AB8A4BBD074CCA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1359...4209 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '202.32.176.23 (ssh-rsa key from 202.32.176.23 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (202x32x176x23.ap.38ns.net. JP)
23:25 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/42BFA23A5B8BD5858D86542AC3B9E17B33BC241C0BD81EA720AB8A4BBD074CCA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1431...1479 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '202.32.176.23 (ssh-rsa key from 202.32.176.23 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (202x32x176x23.ap.38ns.net. JP)
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