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06:02 mircea_popescu phf unsurprising ; indian industrialization happened mostly under the soviet... "influence".
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10:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: here, have some lulz:
10:41 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: there are 1955176872 lines of debug.log between block 419220 and 419221
10:42 mircea_popescu aha.
10:42 asciilifeform ~that~ was where the thing sat stalled, for eons
10:43 mircea_popescu and yet.
10:43 asciilifeform but interestingly, quite recently was able to reconnect to the 'first connected to' node, the idiocy i described yesterday, and sync just a bit.
10:45 mircea_popescu so the working theory being, that a) node spent ~weeks trying to digest block 419221 and failing ; b) eventually managed but by then not able to obtain the next one because of reasons discussed except ; c) recently it managed to briefly connect to the magic node it would talk to and get another 100 or so blocks ?
10:45 asciilifeform http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/wtf/1000000_since_419373.txt
10:45 asciilifeform ^ for convenient reading
10:46 asciilifeform 'recently' is a poor choice of word, i cannot say exactly when.
10:46 asciilifeform can only estimate, like archaeologist using carbon14 decay..
10:48 mircea_popescu myeah.
10:48 asciilifeform and if you grep this for 00000000000000000136 , guess what
10:48 mircea_popescu it's about my own conclusion. i'd say it belies the need for some fixing.
10:48 asciilifeform you see exactly what i described -- your node asks, and asks, and asks peers for it
10:48 asciilifeform never gets.
10:48 mircea_popescu yep
10:49 asciilifeform because - i dare say - they ain't nodes
10:49 mircea_popescu very miserable design for a "peer to peer" network.
10:49 asciilifeform they're pseudos
10:49 asciilifeform who don't ~have~ it.
10:49 mircea_popescu this is entirely possible.
10:49 asciilifeform hence 'wires' etc.
11:03 asciilifeform btw mircea_popescu your node spent ages trying to ~get hold of~ 419221. not to digest it.
11:03 mircea_popescu mmm
11:04 asciilifeform digested, as per the log, more or less immediately
11:12 asciilifeform meanwhile, völkischer beobachter entertains, https://archive.is/XajR5 << 'President Trump on Saturday angrily accused former president Barack Obama of orchestrating a “Nixon/Watergate” plot to tap the phones at his Trump Tower headquarters last fall in the run-up to the election .. no evidence ...'
11:13 asciilifeform (i don't recall seeing a 'ru mega-hack accusation ... no evidence' in the beobachter.
11:13 asciilifeform evidence, evidently, is something to demand of mr.t only )
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11:30 asciilifeform !!up mrottenkolber
11:30 deedbot mrottenkolber voiced for 30 minutes.
11:30 mrottenkolber wait trilema is a person
11:31 mrottenkolber this feels awkwardly like a person cult now
11:33 mrottenkolber so I'm curious, where do you guys stand politically?
11:34 mrottenkolber Like, self perception
11:35 asciilifeform mrottenkolber: could try reading the logs
11:37 mrottenkolber right, I'm a dick
11:37 asciilifeform in pygmystan, they have not invented writing yet, gotta retell same yarn again and again and... again. we -- have writing.
11:38 mrottenkolber I know, I know, people are not REPLs
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12:11 PeterL http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-04#1621939 << I am not sure this would happen, you would still have to verify the blocks - unless you have absolutely no connection to anybody else, in which case you would be equally stuck under current conditions
12:11 a111 Logged on 2017-03-04 01:53 asciilifeform: (if you ~only~ requested by height, anyone could put you on 1way voyage to pluto and you'll stay there.)
12:20 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D20C2568A16A9E767370BA58A20ED6B2AE063D889E43A436B94BC613FC328C47 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1586...2833 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.90.176.90 (ssh-rsa key from 93.90.176.90 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (backoffice.c4h.com. DE)
12:20 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D20C2568A16A9E767370BA58A20ED6B2AE063D889E43A436B94BC613FC328C47 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1586...9937 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.90.176.90 (ssh-rsa key from 93.90.176.90 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (backoffice.c4h.com. DE)
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12:47 ben_vulpes hey hey! i've got a node wired up to dulap.
12:48 ben_vulpes neat street, stan my man
12:48 asciilifeform congrats to ben_vulpes , the first d00d to request , and be issued, a wire to dulap.
12:48 asciilifeform ( ideally this won't end up a star topology around this 1 poor box !! )
12:49 ben_vulpes i don't have a master in place yet, but i am also willing to extend wire peerings to my l1
12:49 ben_vulpes it is what, ten minutes of work to set the master up
12:50 asciilifeform imho the Right Thing is, each node is wired to a handful of serious people.
12:50 asciilifeform and if you have a trb built with wires, it is 10min work (on client end), 10 seconds on the master.
12:51 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: congrats to you, you did all the hard work. tank brigade goes nowhere without the engineers laying down bridgework
12:51 asciilifeform now it is also important to understand the limitations of the current wires patch. there is ~no~ prioritization .
12:51 asciilifeform the one thing you are guaranteed is that your node won't perma-drop the wire.
12:51 asciilifeform in fact if the peer on the other end of the wire goes down, you will get multi-MB whine in your log.
12:52 asciilifeform (i was unable to think of any reasonable way around this. if you silence the whine, you will never know that your wire peers dropped.)
12:53 asciilifeform there is no prioritization because of trb's fundamentally idiotic uniprocess socket handling. ( if there is no preemption - there can be no meaningful prioritization ! )
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12:54 ben_vulpes off the cuff, would an exponential whine backoff suck?
12:54 asciilifeform yes, because you go on a month's voyage and come back to 0 clue.
12:55 asciilifeform what the thing really needs is 'indicator lamp', i.e. a field in getstatus that shows last event that happened on each wire.
12:55 ben_vulpes ah
12:55 asciilifeform but i will leave this to other folx for nao
12:55 ben_vulpes well come now, "it didn't connect at minute 1, 2, 4..."
12:56 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: as is screamingly obvious from the earlier thread with mircea_popescu -- the debug log is terrifyingly inadequate for ~any serious work
12:56 mircea_popescu so it is.
12:57 asciilifeform not only timestamp is missing, also
12:57 asciilifeform and not only truncated (why?!) txid
12:57 asciilifeform but also, we never learn what came in , and from where
12:57 ben_vulpes hash and height for that matter
12:57 asciilifeform or what was sent, and to whom
12:57 asciilifeform and in response to what.
12:57 asciilifeform can ~infer~ , ~sometimes~, yes.
12:57 asciilifeform but this is a laugh.
12:57 ben_vulpes aight, aight, i forget that i'm the only person using svlogd
12:59 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: what's that do
12:59 ben_vulpes this is a desirable situation? that trb logging include timestamps and shit into log that which came from whom?
13:00 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: rotation and timestamping.
13:00 asciilifeform these are the smallest, by far, problems
13:00 asciilifeform and yes, if you want to debug, you gotta log. don't think the enemy doesn't log your plaintext.
13:00 asciilifeform (and with , i picture, much better detail than stock trb's log )
13:02 asciilifeform also imho mempool events oughta reside in separate log.
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13:06 asciilifeform incidentally, ben_vulpes , if mircea_popescu had ANY kind of reasonable log rotation in his node -- i would have had nothing to work with !
13:06 asciilifeform this is why i don't think much of auto-rotation
13:06 mircea_popescu you are not alone.
13:06 asciilifeform rotate -- manually. when you're satisfied that there is no further use for the multi-GB log
13:07 ben_vulpes aye aye
13:07 asciilifeform whereas if your node is launched to pluto, and you know that you will never read the log -- turn it off !
13:07 mircea_popescu speaking of which, recall our ancient discussion re "buried nodes" and my reluctance ? dja understand HOW MANY OF THESE THERE ARE, silent unknown failure modes ?
13:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: actually i have nfi how many
13:08 asciilifeform incidentally there is ye olde disk-is-full. and in future trbi with fixedwidth tx and block, node knows ~exactly when disk will fill, years in advance.
13:09 asciilifeform you bolt in a disk, and know 'this many TB -- this many year'
13:10 asciilifeform in classical trb, you have the 1MB/10min worstcase. but tightbounds are better.
13:11 ben_vulpes subject of trbi, did i miss a way for a parent to cancel a cask ask shy of fibbing?
13:11 asciilifeform (in trb, you also, recall, have the tx index db, and literally nobody knows what the dynamics are there)
13:11 ben_vulpes roll i mean, not ask
13:11 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: you didn't miss, there is no such thing
13:12 asciilifeform a promise that can be 'takebacked' any time, is no promise at all
13:12 asciilifeform it is either kept -- or not kept !
13:12 asciilifeform once made.
13:13 ben_vulpes yes, you walked the promises side of the problem exhaustively.
13:13 asciilifeform when you roll a cask, you are saying, ultimately -- to a tx maker -- 'there is a place in a block reserved for your tx, fire away'
13:14 ben_vulpes and there's no way to get transactions into blocks absent casks, right?
13:14 asciilifeform not for anyone other than the miner
13:14 asciilifeform (miner can, if he likes, connect mouth hose directly to own arse, for so long as his blocks validate, he will simply forgo the fees then )
13:17 asciilifeform note that the miner is theoretically free to distribute some, or all of, the space in his block in any other way -- e.g. via dartboard, or sheep entrails, etc
13:18 asciilifeform the cask scheme is simply a way to impedance-match a high tx pressure to finite space in blocks, with maximally (afaik) frictionless market.
13:19 asciilifeform where you avoid the situation from mircea_popescu's old essay where 'in broken market, you give a bag of maybe-money in return for a bag of perhaps-potatoes' and everybody goes home to learn how cheated he was
13:19 asciilifeform key is to abolish the maybe-money in favour of money, and throw out the perhaps-potatoes in favour of definitively and immediately palpable potatoes.
13:22 asciilifeform and yes, this only works with nodes that have cryptographically hard identity. and not with the syphilitic orgy familiar to classical trb users.
13:23 ben_vulpes is the cask system design necessarily exclusive of a mempool design?
13:24 asciilifeform it is specifically a replacement for mempool
13:24 asciilifeform which is a dumbfoundingly idiotic concept: it is promisetronic IN BOTH DIRECTIONS
13:24 asciilifeform in the direction of tx-author -> mempool : 'here, i'ma take a dump, and YOU verify and store it'
13:25 asciilifeform from mempool operator to tx author -> 'oh here, take your dump, i PROMISE!111 i won't just throw it into the toilet'
13:25 asciilifeform and in no case does it offer a means of marketing one's path-to-miner
13:25 asciilifeform aside from ad-hoc wires-for-pay and other orc duct tape
13:26 asciilifeform (the logical end of ~that~, is visa and swift.)
13:26 ben_vulpes well there is the protocolitic commitment that if the transaction is included, the miner will receive a fee, but that's it.
13:27 asciilifeform none of the ~other~ people who made the show happen, get anything at all.
13:27 asciilifeform in the classical system.
13:28 asciilifeform all they get is the bill, for geometrically-expanding disk footprint and cpu burn.
13:29 ben_vulpes yes, if you want to drive, must have a car.
13:30 asciilifeform eventually this turns into 'if you want to fly, must have a plane'
13:31 asciilifeform or, worse, 'if you want to drive, must lay own asphalt'
13:31 ben_vulpes one of the things i took away from the past week of mega logs is that blockchains may have finite lifespans
13:32 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: absolutely ~everything~ has finite lifespan.
13:33 ben_vulpes myup.
13:33 ben_vulpes hey at least we get an interesting pricing exercise out of it!
13:34 asciilifeform incidentally the nonsense where 'hey, node operators get paid in Being Able To Use Bitcoin' needs to be put to rest properly
13:36 asciilifeform because Being Able To Use Bitcoin might pay the bills, for node operator today (or may not, some folx are stuck operating a node for other reasons, say, trb dev work) but enemy can drive up the cost substantially , with no guarantee of an increase on the other side of the balance to match it
13:36 asciilifeform and in fact the idiot variable-length tx scheme, with the attendant db, guarantees geometric growth in the cost
13:36 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-04#1622003 << just one more of the libertard words. "evidence", "science" "consensus" "Rape" etcetera.
13:36 a111 Logged on 2017-03-04 16:13 asciilifeform: evidence, evidently, is something to demand of mr.t only )
13:37 asciilifeform ( note that nobody guarantees you, node keeper, any kind of geometric growth in your income from Being Able To Use Bitcoin, even in happy dreams when you sleep )
13:37 asciilifeform result is a convergence to visa.
13:38 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-04#1622031 << yes but this is also the major drag on wires adoption. they buy, little.
13:38 a111 Logged on 2017-03-04 17:53 asciilifeform: there is no prioritization because of trb's fundamentally idiotic uniprocess socket handling. ( if there is no preemption - there can be no meaningful prioritization ! )
13:38 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they buy 1 thing -- a guaranteed avoidance of the situation of mircea_popescu's node
13:39 mircea_popescu it's not clear the node'd have asked the wire.
13:39 asciilifeform where 'prb, prb everywhere, and not a drop to drink'
13:39 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it asked, and asked, and asked, as far as i can tell, a great many peers
13:39 asciilifeform this, from the posted log.
13:39 asciilifeform nobody gave a useful answer.
13:39 asciilifeform nobody.
13:39 mircea_popescu there is that.
13:40 mircea_popescu should have permabanned them, is my current thinking.
13:40 mircea_popescu it seems to me, that if i make a request of anyone and anything - a woman, a shopkeeper, a dog, a bee, and that request is not satisfied,
13:40 mircea_popescu i crush the bee, shopkeeper, woman, etcetera.
13:40 asciilifeform i tried permabanning everybody-symptomatic-of-prbism
13:40 mircea_popescu what's so special about bitcoin nodes ?
13:40 asciilifeform didn't end well
13:40 mircea_popescu you fail to answer, you get bombed. hurray.
13:41 asciilifeform vermin-zapping worx best as part of a balanced died, of making friends with non-vermin.
13:41 mircea_popescu there is that.
13:41 asciilifeform *diet
13:42 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-04#1622055 << the discussion of separating logs happened when we last talked of logs and how to improve them, cca 2015ish.
13:42 a111 Logged on 2017-03-04 18:02 asciilifeform: also imho mempool events oughta reside in separate log.
13:42 asciilifeform aha! i tried to dig up the thread, so far failed
13:43 asciilifeform but iirc there was indeed a thread, where mircea_popescu suggested multiple log streams, that can be separated or combined as necessary
13:43 mircea_popescu yes
13:43 mircea_popescu like you know, among sane people.
13:49 asciilifeform no one will ever confuse anything we might recognize as trb for any artifact from the distant Planet of Sane People.
13:50 asciilifeform ( though i have never, myself, been to this paradise, and the only artifact i know of from it is via pure rumour, the marvelous orichalcum-powered golden dildoes )
13:51 mircea_popescu kek
13:52 mircea_popescu gold makes a terrible dildo, incidentally. silver's better, somewhat.
14:06 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
14:06 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1257.17, vol: 5085.29209634 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1253.0, vol: 4215.02807 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1265.3, vol: 16820.37490705 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1193.35145, vol: 7106.06290000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1260.001, vol: 1520.70750942 | Volume-weighted last average: 1247.67231371
14:10 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/03/bitcoin-network-mining-difficulty-up-yet-again-to-460769358090-71423340-for-new-all-time-high/ << Qntra - Bitcoin Network Mining Difficulty Up Yet Again To 460769358090.71423340 For New All Time High
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14:27 ben_vulpes in other rallies and gendered binary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKdi7MN7lCQ
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14:59 deedbot http://www.contravex.com/2017/03/04/the-diversification-scam-is-spreading-you-thin-and-stealing-your-money-so-knock-it-off-already/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The “diversification” scam is spreading you thin and stealing your money. So knock it off already.
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15:22 BingoBoingo http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=6821
15:36 ben_vulpes > find two or three prospective all stars
15:36 ben_vulpes lolk
15:37 ben_vulpes pete_dushenski missed vanguard takeover of the world? ria's successfully still hawk high load funds in the northeast?
15:37 pete_dushenski two or three is better than 20 or 30 for fee management
15:38 pete_dushenski and vanguard is mentioned. nfi what ria is
15:38 pete_dushenski registered investment advisor mabbe ?
15:38 ben_vulpes mhm, part of the sro song and dance they do down here
15:39 pete_dushenski also north of montana isn't really northeast yknow
15:40 ben_vulpes ah right
15:41 pete_dushenski anyways, i have no love lost for etfs even if their fees are lower than mutual funds of yesteryear. they're still a hodgepodge of thinly distributed garbage. i don't know anyone who seriously reaps a return from them.
15:46 pete_dushenski i like to remind anyone tempted to buy etfs "for safety" that cash outperformed every vanguard offering in 2007. lest we forget that ~half~ of the returns of us stocks during the last fifty years were dictated by only ten days.
15:49 ben_vulpes didn't cash outperform everything in 2007?
15:49 pete_dushenski you could probably find a few exceptions other than cash but not many
15:52 ben_vulpes i have no idea what you're getting at by pointing out that cash outperformed everything (incl. vg index funds, duh?) plus that index gains occur on a limited number of days
15:53 ben_vulpes gains in any asset.
15:54 asciilifeform lol fiatola 'savings'
15:55 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: simply the (perhaps obvious to log readers) point that diversification isn't a panacea particularly in the manner used by 'advisors', which is to say, within sectors and within asset classes rather than between them
15:56 ben_vulpes mhm
15:56 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: your airquotes just burst a million middle class bubbles
15:56 ben_vulpes hey, do sector rotation next!
15:56 pete_dushenski i thought you had the rotation covered ?
15:57 pete_dushenski and timestamping!
15:57 pete_dushenski :)
15:57 ben_vulpes eh, won't be at this place long enough to make proper rotation worthwhile
15:59 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03247/assets_3247927b.jpg
16:00 pete_dushenski !~google gilts
16:00 jhvh1 pete_dushenski: Gilts Definition | Investopedia: <http://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/gilts.asp>; About Gilts - UK Debt Management Office: <http://www.dmo.gov.uk/index.aspx%3Fpage%3Dgilts/about_gilts>; Gilt -edged securities - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilt-edged_securities>
16:00 pete_dushenski uk bonds eh
16:01 ben_vulpes lol, n. am equities did so badly they didn't even make the screenshot?
16:01 ben_vulpes and where's cash in the 2007 col
16:02 pete_dushenski mia
16:03 ben_vulpes poor cash
16:03 ben_vulpes rip cash
16:04 pete_dushenski you'd be better off investing in old timepieces with overkilled documentation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li0mRLcGbU8
16:05 ben_vulpes eh i'd rather invest in dirt
16:06 pete_dushenski not quite as portable. jew's gotta stay on his toes imo.
16:07 ben_vulpes if invest time as well, returns are denominate in knowledge.
16:07 ben_vulpes denominated*
16:09 pete_dushenski always a +ev strategy that.
16:19 pete_dushenski bbl. someone's nap ended too soon
16:19 ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: siempre
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16:56 trinque hm, deedbot still trapped on a netsplit eh?
16:58 mircea_popescu seems so.
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17:36 asciilifeform 'A spokesman for Barack Obama on Saturday rejected claims by U.S. President Donald Trump that the then-president had wiretapped Trump in October during the late stages of the presidential election campaign, saying it was "simply false."'
17:36 asciilifeform lel, 'i am not a crook!1111' (tm) (r)
17:37 mircea_popescu did he offer proof ?
17:37 asciilifeform '"Neither President Obama nor any White House official ever ordered surveillance on any U.S. citizen. Any suggestion otherwise is simply false," Obama spokesman Kevin Lewis said in a statement.' << 'proof'
17:37 mircea_popescu ahahaha WHAT
17:37 mircea_popescu they assassinated us citizens. wtf, what planet is this ?
17:38 asciilifeform jesuitistically, it's tru! obummer does not order surveillance, pocket judge orders.
17:38 asciilifeform formally.
17:38 mircea_popescu "Now, both The New York Times and The Washington Post confirm that the Obama White House has now expressly authorized the CIA to kill al-Alwaki no matter where he is found, no matter his distance from a battlefield."
17:38 mircea_popescu today in things that never happened.
17:38 mircea_popescu where is my fucking razor for the internet ?
17:39 mircea_popescu "2010 too far away for ameritards hurr"
17:39 asciilifeform '"No president can order a wiretap. Those restrictions were put in place to protect citizens from people like you," Rhodes wrote on Twitter.'
17:39 asciilifeform didjaknow.
17:40 mircea_popescu it's vaguely amusing, just how idiotic the monkeys are.
17:40 asciilifeform it gets better:
17:40 asciilifeform 'Under U.S. law, a federal court would have to have found probable cause that the target of the surveillance is an "agent of a foreign power" in order to approve a warrant authorizing electronic surveillance of Trump Tower.' << this is the 'proof' apparently : 'if obummer did it, it Proves Ru Stooge'
17:41 mircea_popescu lmao ok.
17:41 mircea_popescu they need a new book.
17:45 asciilifeform 'The 8-year-old daughter of Anwar al-Awlaki, the radical cleric and U.S. citizen who was killed in a drone strike in 2011, was reportedly among those killed Sunday during a raid in Yemen. The Guardian reported that Nawar al-Awlaki was killed after suffering a gunshot wound to the neck.' -- feb.2
17:45 mircea_popescu aww.
17:46 asciilifeform kick-the-dog.
17:46 asciilifeform dog gotta stay freshly kicked at all times.
17:47 mircea_popescu the audacity, you know. criminal head of terrorist state, and they dare even speak.
17:47 mircea_popescu "oh, we were justified". bitch, the fucking towelheads say the exact same thing. you're all justified.
17:51 asciilifeform recall ghadaffi's kid also.
17:51 asciilifeform (iirc also 8 y.o. gurl, nailed on direct orders from reagan)
17:53 mircea_popescu she was us citizen ?
17:54 asciilifeform mno, but afaik the earlier one also not
17:54 asciilifeform only dog-kick.
17:54 mircea_popescu the daughter of us citizen wasn't us citizen ? how ?
17:55 asciilifeform actually i have nfi if d00d was ever formally drummed out of usa citizenship
17:56 mircea_popescu this isn't possible.
17:56 asciilifeform it is possible on paper
17:57 asciilifeform i got passport right here, pg. 7 says: 'under some circumstances, you may lose your u.s. citizenship...'
17:58 asciilifeform https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1481 << here we go.
17:59 mircea_popescu that;s a novel notion.
17:59 asciilifeform now for some peculiar reason there are almost no cases.
18:01 mircea_popescu the theory being that "the dude gve it up by pariticpating in something we call a military of something we won't call a state" ?
18:01 mircea_popescu theory has no legal legs to stand on.
18:01 mircea_popescu until and unless us recognizes the state of taliban-isis, the guy'\s not covered.
18:02 asciilifeform probably why there appears to be 0 public record of any proceedings to revoke his citizenship
18:02 mircea_popescu myeah.
18:03 asciilifeform ( incidentally, lack of citizenship dun seem to keep, e.g., noriega, from sitting in american jail )
18:09 asciilifeform notice how it takes, what, six figs usd in dubious legal fees, to cancel u.s. citizenship voluntarily. and for no prosecution of anyone, ever, was it cancelled, quite the opposite, usg will happily extend honourary 'citizenship' to ~anyone, for $ 0 , and permanent room in the finest prison with it.
18:10 asciilifeform citizen is easier, rather than harder, to hunt, various orgs that do business in usa are coaxed into proactively keeping tabs on'em; this was covered iirc in a few old mircea_popescu pieces re bank
18:10 mircea_popescu i dunno what we're discussing now, but anyway. original point was re bahamas being a murderer liar etc.
18:10 asciilifeform i'll point out that mr.t signed off on the 8yo corpse
18:10 asciilifeform rather than obummer
18:11 asciilifeform (who signed off on the first two, al-alwaki and his son)
18:12 asciilifeform incidentally there is supposed to have been a mr.t ralley in dc today, but i found 0 mention of it on the net, 0 photos, etc.
18:12 asciilifeform very very helpful google.
18:12 mircea_popescu yes, but the fact that both trump and obama grabbed pussy is a detriment to the monkey.
18:12 mircea_popescu trump said he was gonna.
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20:51 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EAE9038BB39A9A622B1F2EB69574DA1D9901BAFC216C68CE9DE2BD27166EFDAC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1694...1807 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '70.168.8.58 (ssh-rsa key from 70.168.8.58 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (wsip-70-168-8-58.ri.ri.cox.net. US CT)
20:51 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EAE9038BB39A9A622B1F2EB69574DA1D9901BAFC216C68CE9DE2BD27166EFDAC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1592...4733 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '70.168.8.58 (ssh-rsa key from 70.168.8.58 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (wsip-70-168-8-58.ri.ri.cox.net. US CT)
20:53 BingoBoingo lol ri.ri
21:05 Reuel Hello guys, a bit of a tl;dr here
21:05 Reuel I wanted to contribute, and it irks me to admit, but I don't think there is anything meaningful I can contribute at this moment
21:06 Reuel So, for now, you will have to do with mere words: you have my sincere admiration
21:06 Reuel mircea_popescu, I would love to do the experiment you talked about -> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-29#1609441
21:06 a111 Logged on 2017-01-29 17:48 mircea_popescu: go do hdd profiling on large symlink load, very useful.
21:06 danielpbarron join eulora
21:06 Reuel however life is getting in the way at the moment, and I don't have time to go through all the TRB code, which is probably a must to understand the context of the experiment
21:06 Reuel I also hold some items in eulora which I should give back if you are on
21:06 Reuel There are 1001 questions I would want to ask here, but I'm starting to feel like a net taker which is a wretched feeling
21:06 danielpbarron you should do work in eulora!
21:06 Reuel vThe reason I keep buzzing around this place is that I get these pangs of inspiration when I visit, which is weird but great
21:06 mircea_popescu lel ok.
21:07 Reuel So I'll be going full lurk mode, except for maybe some feminine replies on Trilema, but let me at least leave a little something
21:07 Reuel This was inspired by this place: http://www.reuel.eu/writing/fiction/a-warm-welcome/ pasted version: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/FwIjU/?raw=true
21:07 Reuel So I'll dedicate it to the republic
21:07 Reuel ah are you on eulora?
21:07 danielpbarron yes
21:08 danielpbarron lol how is it possible two people have eulora accounts and don't know each other
21:09 Reuel well I only did some minor tasks and didnt play again
21:09 danielpbarron being a noob in eulora is a profitable venture, and it consists largely of being ready to do work when an elder needs work done
21:10 BingoBoingo Reuel: Submit a piece to Qntra. Find idiots behaving dumbly and write it up.
21:11 Reuel Yeah, but being profitable is not what I look for in a game per se
21:11 Framedragger Reuel: just fyi, and it's only my humble opinion, but you don't need the context of the whole trb to do the symlink experiment. from what i took of it, it's a matter of testing how various filesystems (probably starting off with ext4) can manage with (very) large numbers of nodes and large numbers of links to nodes. how seek times increase with those numbers of links to links, etc. (as an fs overhead, on top of hdd/sdd).
21:12 mircea_popescu Framedragger the thing is that by now i wouldn't trust the results anyway. dude clearly has nfi what he'd be doing.
21:12 Reuel well I get the hard disk part, but not how it relates to bitcoin
21:12 Framedragger aha, point taken - but reproducible documented methodology / code is still something.
21:12 danielpbarron Reuel, i'm not inviting you to come have fun (although you will probably enjoy it) but you indicated you want to do work in the republic but don't know how. i have told you how
21:12 mircea_popescu i guess so, but there seems no danger of such a wonder, so.
21:12 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/minigame-smg-february-2017-statement/ << Trilema - MiniGame (S.MG), February 2017 Statement
21:13 Reuel ok let me put it more bluntly, I didn't enjoy dragging tables across green hills
21:14 Reuel I guess that can probably be automated
21:16 Reuel BingoBoingo, does it have to be current?
21:16 Reuel as in news
21:16 BingoBoingo Yes, must be news.
21:16 Reuel right
21:17 Reuel Well there is a lot of failing going on in Dutch IT, I must say
21:17 danielpbarron everything can be automated. the only limit is your own ability to code it
21:18 Reuel danielpbarron, and time of course... but who knows
21:19 danielpbarron what is this, "i want to work but only if it doesn't take any time"
21:19 Reuel I want to work, and I will certainly give time
21:20 Reuel like I said, I dont like to be a net taker but I don't have much time atm
21:20 mircea_popescu lel check it out danielpbarron he stole your blog design!
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21:20 mircea_popescu lobbes i mean
21:21 Reuel whats the link?
21:22 mircea_popescu http://lobbesblog.com/2017/lobbesbot-autobid-functionality/
21:24 asciilifeform http://www.reuel.eu/writing/fiction/a-warm-welcome/ << reuel your box fell down..?
21:24 Reuel BingoBoingo if something crosses my path I will write it up. Government IT/big IT fails of interest?
21:25 Reuel Those are the gift that keeps on giving here
21:25 Reuel Or the gift that keeps on taking, tax money that is
21:26 mircea_popescu helps if it's bitcoin related.
21:26 Reuel asciilifeform, box?
21:26 Reuel ok
21:26 asciilifeform Reuel: your www
21:26 Reuel works for me
21:28 asciilifeform Reuel: not long ago, dutch gov made tall claims of 'blockchain analysis for police work' voodoo. could investigate, translate, post to qntra re which charlatan is selling this 'service', and which bureaucrat on the take -- 'bought', and wtf it consists of
21:29 Reuel hmm, there was something on the radio a few days ago about the Dutch central bank running blockchain tests
21:29 Reuel internal
21:29 mircea_popescu unrelated items.
21:30 Reuel I'll check it out
21:32 Reuel mircea_popescu, I have 2 items I want to return on eulora, are you on
21:32 danielpbarron auction them :p
21:33 Reuel nah theyre not mine
21:33 Reuel he gave them for work
21:33 danielpbarron so like.. as payment for?
21:33 Reuel no they are part of the work hehe
21:33 danielpbarron idk what those 2 items could possibly be
21:34 Reuel well to be honest I thought I still had claim keys
21:34 Reuel but
21:34 Reuel I only seem to have 2 enumerations
21:35 Reuel maybe my memory fails me
21:35 danielpbarron not even worth returning
21:35 Reuel ah ok
21:35 Reuel thats worth nothng then?
21:36 danielpbarron not 0, but not much
21:40 mircea_popescu Reuel dun worry bout it
21:41 Reuel ok...
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22:27 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/03/the-californian-dilemma-approaching-peak-lol/ << Qntra - The Californian Dilemma Approaching Peak LOL
22:34 lobbes http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-05#1622287 << he designed a nice, light-weight layout, what can I say :D
22:34 a111 Logged on 2017-03-05 02:20 mircea_popescu: lel check it out danielpbarron he stole your blog design!
22:46 Framedragger lobbes: any plan re. comments? curious if you have something without JS in mind. :) (this also answers (with quite a latency) mp's query http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608913 - there's no viable solution *without captcha _and_ without JS*.)
22:46 a111 Logged on 2017-01-27 23:48 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608443 << we don't ? when did this unhappen ?
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22:46 Framedragger (re. "coming soon" on lobbesblog)
22:52 lobbes I almost want to try something like a !Qcomment command via lobbesbot that'd store comment in a sqlite db. I'm thinking I may be able to 'default deny' input that way, somehow.
22:52 lobbes but I have not really thought it out much
22:53 Framedragger ah, that's one way to do it, via a saner interface with much less cruft...
22:54 lobbes right? then, if I was sure that the data coming in is not shit, I could perhaps automate the generating of the blawg pages, adding in comments from said db at whatever intervals
22:55 lobbes but no idea how to handle selection of blog post text
22:55 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-05#1622326 << just checked and realised that your trilema comments don't seem to have any JS, so it seems like i was wrong. (i now realise i had a (rather arbitrary) additional constraint with the original comment long ago, "make it work with a static site", but that's another matter/project altogether.)
22:55 a111 Logged on 2017-03-05 03:46 a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 23:48 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608443 << we don't ? when did this unhappen ?
22:57 Framedragger lobbes: selection as in on the website, to provide unique href to selection?
22:57 Framedragger (i'd like a static site + comments-without-captcha-or-JS setup, too, yeah)
22:58 lobbes yeah, seems like it'd be a pain for the commenter to have to manually input that info to the bot
22:59 Framedragger i guess they could include blog post number at least, but then not full proper quotation as you say. arbitrary selection within a DOM element only possible with some JS (trilema and archive.is at least have that JS piece tucked nicely in one place, not a total horror)
23:02 Framedragger so actually, if you were willing to use that text selection JS snippet, i guess it'd be possible, sorta. commenter would paste autogenerated link and write on irc `http://trilema.com/2017/minigame-smg-february-2017-statement/#selection-1017.0-1017.97 << kewl`; but then how about overall comment length (have a way of indicating a multi-irc-line comment), etc...
23:04 lobbes hm, yeah actually, I may end up going down that route
23:04 lobbes I cannot think of any other way either without even a tiny bit of JS
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23:06 lobbes either that or I'll just leave it without the ability to properly quote an arbitrary selection.
23:13 Framedragger my maybe-convoluted personal plan was to have a static site generator but to have the comment box be rendered by a dynamic component (hence loaded separately upon user clicking to comment, or sth.) that component does the 'fraud prevention without JS' magic (like with trilema's comments - IP address is sent to html form to be returned as hidden value / whatnot). when comment is submitted, it gets added to some queue
23:14 ben_vulpes you know we have 'fraud prevention without js' already
23:14 Framedragger (your sqlite could do, or something even simpler). when comment is approved, static site generator gets triggered to re-render necessary pages including 'newest comments' box (if present.) etc.
23:14 ben_vulpes !!key Framedragger
23:14 deedbot http://wot.deedbot.org/E2DF986D58A0D3876BA165FACC0510AAFD8AF4B7.asc
23:14 Framedragger ben_vulpes: yes, but it requires a dynamic component on the backend, right?
23:14 Framedragger ah, dat
23:15 Framedragger sure, but in that case one may as well just implement a gpggram-to-blog-comments interface (not that it's a wholly bad idea or anything)
23:15 Framedragger it sure would be nice to just be able to post simple comments on a blogpage, tho.
23:15 ben_vulpes fwiw i thought long and hard about this and ultimately migrated to mp-wp.
23:15 Framedragger :)
23:16 Framedragger i should keep that in mind lest i become unnecessarily overexcited here.
23:16 ben_vulpes my trinque-simulator sez "wtf with this sqlite; have a process listening for changes to the comments table and re-rendering the comments page upon submission"
23:17 Framedragger a postgres trigger, of course
23:17 ben_vulpes what else lol
23:18 ben_vulpes anyways, doing it right is a small shitton of work, very nearly all of which and more is wrapped up in oldish wordpress.
23:19 ben_vulpes the thing that finally sold me was unique footnote references across corpus.
23:19 Framedragger ahh, that *is* nice to have, yeah!
23:20 ben_vulpes aaand in other ultra amusing covers unearthed while partying at the cousins... http://archive.is/udKgb
23:21 ben_vulpes i have nfi what is in it, but spied the cover on the way out
23:21 Framedragger hah!
23:21 Framedragger (it's 4am here, fuck. g'night!)
23:21 ben_vulpes wakefulness ad libitum!
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