#trilema | 2016-06-05

;;later tell mircea_popescu you still have a bunch of old l0gz links on your www, because didn't massage the 'log1.bitcoin-assets....' cases.

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The operation succeeded.

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;;ticker --market all --currency cad

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Bitstamp BTCCAD last: 745.2288, vol: 6621.82014231 | BTC-E BTCCAD last: 727.7625, vol: 6258.55713 | CampBX BTCCAD last: 718.059, vol: 0.15 | BTCChina BTCCAD last: 755.00053, vol: 55265.16610000 | Kraken BTCCAD last: 750.516, vol: 93.62476083 | Volume-weighted last average: 751.547933812

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;;ticker --market all --currency rmb

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BTCChina BTCRMB last: 3833.53, vol: 55249.78250000 | Volume-weighted last average: 3833.53

01:06

Reasons Bayer > Monsanto #786 https://www.bayeradvanced.com/find-a-product/lawn-care/bermudagrass-control-for-lawns

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01:38

alright, so now (still in test) but when someone [adds/edits/removes] a ticket via tb0t, those changes are propagated to the live website along with generated graphs.

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will continue testing a bit tomorrow, and if all is well, may deploy. the log part still needs a few tweaks, but main stuff is complete.

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http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/ << files here are being updated four times per hour.

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08:22

eh check it out, exceptions without surcease.

08:24

nice mod6 !

08:27

asciilifeform 284 rows affected.

08:35

[Trilema] The labyrinth of gender - http://trilema.com/2016/the-labyrinth-of-gender/

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08:59

http://8btc.com/thread-34259-1-1.html << if anyone can explain...

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;;later tell mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477259 << the node links all 404

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Logged on 2016-06-05 05:39 mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/ << files here are being updated four times per hour.

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The operation succeeded.

09:09

<mircea_popescu> http://8btc.com/thread-34259-1-1.html << if anyone can explain... << lol google translate "Who Trilema that? This study should be doing it? "

09:12

chinese is entirely opaque.

09:14

quite possible one has to reformat own head entirely to deal in it. becoming somewhat martian himself in the process.

09:16

also iirc it has pathologically liberal word order. hence the autotranslator soup appearing above.

09:21

asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2016/lets-do-chinese-together/#comment-117431

09:23

mircea_popescu is a winner. the euro fictions ~don't~ really compile in cn.

09:24

as i said years ago. as schwartz said. etc.

09:24

hey, i'm new. i spent most of my life not giving a shit.

09:25

them martianfolk dun care if we give a shit. they just silently take over...

09:25

i wonder how chinese children end up learning it.

09:26

afaik - quite fragmentarily. a 10,000 hieroglyph vocab. of a learned cn man would scarcely qualify as literacy in a euro lang

09:27

cn writing system is its own mandarin exam

09:27

deliberately loaded up on arbitrary crapola.

09:27

oh god the writing.

09:27

i wasn't even going there.

09:27

and that's SIMPLIFIED chinese we're talking about!

09:28

there is no actual future for chinese culture is there.

09:28

in tw - traditional. worse.

09:28

idish has better perspectives.

09:29

plenty of mas futuro. the insectoid way of organizing is - effective. sadly.

09:34

idish is ~dead, while 1 in every handful of live humans speaks (and might even read some) cn.

09:37

hm.

09:37

im not sure i know what you mean by insectoid.

09:37

so far in any case it seems that the chinese are the people and the usians the insectoids.

09:38

meant the very specific castrated mandarin / ~illiterate peasant mass thing.

09:38

unrelatedly : de niro's so obsexed with pacino, he had to have his very own scent of a woman (dirty granpa). you should see this thing. they manage to be so weird they spend half the movie apologizing, man-to-man-talking and etc for his eventual fucking (sort-of) this teenaged slut.

09:39

which is being replicated in usa as we speak, naturally

09:39

ridiculous with dingbats. and oh so poorly written, good lord.

09:40

'civilization' yields bug-men and cn has 5000 yrs of practice, while white man is a n00b.

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and in your daily "i'm doing research on social media and it ends up moving the market" news, http://www.collarspace.com/details.asp?v=2416633&bhcp=1

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e.g., the eastern folk are lightyearz ahead in the art of people-packin' as contemplated in mircea_popescu's 'female herd' articles

09:43

there's an ancient ro joke/sf story whereby people moved into the past "limitedly" for "research purposes", and ended up discovering that most everyone there is... them, with the actual locals a tiny minority.

09:44

mircea_popescu: linked site dead?

09:45

but that's nothing ; the case is still fresh in my mind when BingoBoingo made up some stupid shit about how a guy was so fat he used a stick to wipe his ass ; and other perverse defecation tales - which then became the ACCEPTED STANDARD of "what fat people do" according to "everyone" on social media.

09:45

aaaaactually

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this confusion of meta for literal is its very own doom.

09:45

the stick exists

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dan mocsny described it

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477297 <<< with a handy imgur album of horsefucking cartoons yet.

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Logged on 2016-06-05 13:42 mircea_popescu: and in your daily "i'm doing research on social media and it ends up moving the market" news, http://www.collarspace.com/details.asp?v=2416633&bhcp=1

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from own travels

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circa 01 or so

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hm.

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$s reach implement

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1 results for "reach implement", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=reach%20implement

09:46

shinohai and a bunch of nude selfies.

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it can be had from the same folk selling the reinforced toilets etc.

09:51

asciilifeform link to this 01 item ?

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would link but google's usenet archive ~dead.

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i'll have to pull it off optical disk.

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of course nonsensical hysteria can just as well be periodically rediscovered.

09:52

look into sumo

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but that aside, as many people use a stick to wipe their own ass as died of fan-mediated asphyxia.

09:53

the sumo men are well documented to use apprentice fighters as arse wipers.

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sure ; different story.

09:53

similar story. geometrically.

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http://www.amplestuff.com/bathshop.aspx

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brb

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<mircea_popescu> but that's nothing ; the case is still fresh in my mind when BingoBoingo made up some stupid shit about how a guy was so fat he used a stick to wipe his ass ; and other perverse defecation tales - which then became the ACCEPTED STANDARD of "what fat people do" according to "everyone" on social media. << ty, but that is credit for TOO much

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i honestly believe the item exists because you were bored one day ; and people couldn't distinguish between "social media signal" and actual need.

09:56

Who knows how many fat people were helped in this version of legend because they moved up from not wiping at all thanks to stick discovery!

09:56

having seen in real life the circa freaks in question, i find it plain as daylight that they cannot reach own arse

09:57

asciilifeform that part's not in any doubt.

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stick existed but obsoleted by water gizmoes

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BingoBoingo thought asciilifeform had not seen nor believed in them. Or were they in Chiraq the other week?

09:58

srs, brb

09:58

BingoBoingo: i've seen them, they simply aren't to be met with regularly anywhere i've been

10:04

BingoBoingo will be stimulated to learn that there is some sort of comic book convention going in washington and i saw 'land whales' last night in a train, headed from it to dinner

10:07

asciilifeform checked out "moron lab". didn't live long did it.

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mircea_popescu: it was pre-urbit-release

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the release was quasi-forced, i found where he kept it and linked publicly (it was not well-hidden)

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ic.

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sometimes i wonder if i'm the only guy who ever had one blog.

10:09

fella wasn't quite certain what he wanted, and soon after the publication, devil approached him with bargain.

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which he took.

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in fairness, it's the optimal use for "his idea" such as it was.

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sure is.

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devil has a head on his shoulders, to an extent.

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to a large extent. 7 heads or what was it.

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aha!

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in other news, kill is fucking useless.

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i want what used to be signal 6, ABRT ; indicating to the receiving item to immediately drop whatever subroutine is doing and continue above.

10:36

this because interaction between firefox and javascript is nothing short of noxious

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but can i ? mmmmno.

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mircea_popescu: kill -9

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the others are ~useless.

10:39

no. i do not want to kill the program. i want to force it to drop what it's doing and pay attention.

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just like irl works.

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ahahahaha http://www.loper-os.org/?p=215

10:40

myeah.

10:41

no dice on idiot c machine.

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where there is no such thing as clean aborts even if author wanted this.

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ftr, since "micro atx", no, not the power switch.

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aha iknow

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anyway, what's the big fucking whoop. when caught sigabort, return(6) or w/e.

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what, forcing program writer whores to procedurize sanely is too onerous ?

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mircea_popescu: what do you do with the progressing system calls?

10:44

drop them all.

10:44

not how it worx

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not like i care "how it worx"

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carry on not caring. but unix remains a pile of shit.

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that may be, but there's still absolutely no reason it can't IMMEDIATELY RETURN WHATEVER CURRENT PROCEDURE ITS IN

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the result is ~certain to be barf.

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so write better programs.

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"every stack frame can at any time and for no reason return ; handle this."

10:46

hey dunlookatme, e.g., 8ball, survives interruption at whatever point

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mircea_popescu: you can't do this on c machine, because it has, e.g., a heap also

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who will clean up when 'returns whenever'

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upon return, whatever was allocated for it on heap is free.

10:48

this 'die now' business works for sigkill because it is quite obvious to os what to do to clean wholly dead process.

10:49

there's no difference re "wholly dead procedure".

10:49

wipe its shit.

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but in this case mircea_popescu wants proggy to carry on

10:49

sure.

10:49

how, if you 'wiped its shit'

10:49

you didn't wipe the program scope ; you wiped the frame in question.

10:49

do you recall my attempt at forcing trb to flush its mempool?

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yes.

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heap dun have frames, mircea_popescu .

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this is a superclass of that.

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DONT LOOK AT ME! I'm not the one who came up with that bright idea.

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c machine.

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there's ~no reason you couldn't allocate memory properly, c or no c.

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btw ada forces pointers to obey frame, interestingly. it is expensive.

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i'm willing to bet it isn't,.

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mircea_popescu: 'conscientious c programmer' is a mythical dragon of sorts, like 'honest bureaucrat'

10:52

the medium has a will of its own.

10:52

nothing can be more expensive than this "oops sorry firefox got lost in bootstrap.js".

10:53

try the experiment : open temp-mail.org in a browser let it sit for a day, then profile it.

10:53

iirc ff is a single threaded turd even.

10:53

was always turd.

10:56

the basic plague of c machine is that forces computation into semantic soup.

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where, e.g., bignums dun exist, only big puddles of ??? that the machine has nfi re the purpose of, etc

10:57

ditto process life cycle

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it's bullshit. of course the machine has fi. just... it likes to ambiguously pretend it does or doesn't, like a lazy bitch.

10:58

if it dun feel like doing what you want, "it has nfi" ; otherwise, if there's a virus or something, it knows them like its own tits.

10:58

see again the mempool example.

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the items in question were entangled.

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if you were right no sub could ever read anything back from memory.

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asciilifeform slams head on desk

10:59

this isn't the case ; and that it isn't the case is proof archsufficient it knows EXACTLY what's what and OPTS to not do what i tell it to.

11:06

;;later tell BingoBoingo http://themerkle.com/egyptian-dentist-apprehended-in-bitcoin-sting-operation-in-cairo << qntra ?

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The operation succeeded.

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mircea_popescu: my contention is not that it is impossible to write proggy that behaves sanely under unix when catches SIGABRT or whatnot, but that the effort required to do so and the verbosity of the resulting code is beyond most folk.

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this is what it means for 'shit os' and 'shit language'.

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that ~reasonable~ behaviour requires unreasonable degree of complexity.

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defective abstractions.

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well, pick different abstractions i guess, because the only response stavka has for "we don't have adequate tools" is coming down a gun barrel.

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'lose the other army!'

11:12

asciilifeform the best part of that article is random derp frothing about how "monero'd have made it impossible for egypt to be a shithole"

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waiiwut

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see comments.

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ah

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lulzy

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it's like the derps got kicked out of bitcoin, seamlessly moved to whatever.

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i thought monero was an ancient heresy

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'11 or sumthing

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had nfi it is still a thing.

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it's not clear it's heresy in any sense ; but the core of web-shannonizers is always the same.

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they're the same people who think islam means they get a nice wife courtesy of allah, just like that.

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technology that works by itself and solves their problems, that sorta stuff.

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the 'bitcoin but no public record of movement' thing is theoretically appealing but the math was defective.

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and the proponents - in denial.

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and the "punishes adultery and encourages marriage" thing - exactly the same.

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i could've sworn we had a monero thread

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not really. main dev was in #b-a, invited twice to argue his thing, declined twice to do so.

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funkenstein ?

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nah, fluffypony

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or what that somebody else

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ah

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funkenstein was doing something or the other (even more modestly) with some other coin, wood-something.

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american business folk have a term, 'technical debt', for this kind of horror

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it means, as i understand, 'this dun work but WE KNOW HOW TO FIX!111111 and will fix before anyone notices!11'

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well... mno ; they're not bad people, just, married to a context.

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married to a broken-down husk of a thing.

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it's one of those "i'll be a man and everything else will stay as it was when i was a child".

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technically i suppose the word would be emotional debt.

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the folks with the 'modest' coins always rubbed me wrong

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at least that's how i saw it ; "i ~~~just want to~~~ work on these technical problems, and will ignore/hallucinate/otherwise cope with the political implications"

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why ?

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they gave distinct impression of labouring under a notion that 'our thing will be different because we can keep the Bad People out by being Modest'

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rather than on account of mechanism.

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heavy on promise, light on protocol.

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it could also simply be "we have to start somewhere"

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everything starts somewhere. but as observer i am more interested in whether it has wheels to begin with.

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and 'modest' folk in ~no cases do.

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"a modest proposal" had plenty of wheel ?

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sure.

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i was referring to the 'we are small and weak and please don't rape us gnomecoin folk' types.

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anyway, i'm sure there were people in america who believed the spanish showing up to be a good thing.

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people have this capacity to imagine what's going on in their head is most important, and everything happening outside a sort of minor companion point.

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hence all the vomit about imaginary links between "cypherpunks" and bitcoin. and so on.

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if it weren't for trilema, people'd still derp about how bitcoin is here to save the geeks and the poor.

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not wholly imaginary link, each was respectively filled up with idlers who played pretend

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and finance sprawling suspended gardens of the future where ecofeminist tribes will raise the blabla.

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in very similar ways.

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i guess.

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and then they want to legalize pot. worst fucking idea.

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how do you figure

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i know of no better heuristic for "idler"

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seems to go pretty well with the 'dope'em up to reduce barn repair cost' program

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myeah, in that sense i guess.

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observe how nobody's about to legalize the performance dopes.

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there also isn't such a thing.

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asciilifeform not mega-expert on dopes but is aware that certain types bring about excitability and amplify existing inclinations; others - torpor, lethargy, and a sort of living death

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see thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-25#808005

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Logged on 2014-08-25 03:08 asciilifeform: busy as a bee << funny that they show an idiot sow scrubbing, and not, e.g, paul erdos crapping out theorems

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let's put it this way : the most stimulants can do for you is stimulate ; but on the long term they still debalance.

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we had this thread also.

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elementarily true.

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and the principal problem of exceptional people is that they have trouble keeping balance.

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not that they're not getting enough done in 5 minutes.

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as a kind of dope user (of caffeine) i will put it differently

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it isn't the 5 minutes, but 'how far you can push the tachometer arrow in the absolute'

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that matters to breaking through a problem.

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asciilifeform brb doping

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there's much better solutions to this problem.

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mircea_popescu: oh?

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what might those be ?

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'be born more energetic' ? mega-solution.

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;;later tell jurov i recently dug up your oldie, http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-December/000186.html , and had a thought: did we ever investigate why, e.g., 0.8+, doesn't leak ?

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The operation succeeded.

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http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-01#1258074 << every six month hard fork killed monero iirc

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Logged on 2015-09-01 03:19 mircea_popescu: and i'm like..... mmmkay nevermind.

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in other non-nyooz,

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'Central to Mead's rescue project are a series of discoveries inconsistent with the prevailing conceptions of quantum mechanics. One was the laser. As late as 1956, Bohr and Von Neumann, the paragons of quantum theory, arrived at the Columbia laboratories of Charles Townes, who was in the process of describing his invention. With the transistor, the laser is one of the most important inventions of the twentieth century. Designed into

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every CD player and long distance telephone connection, lasers today are manufactured by the billions. At the heart of laser action is perfect alignment of the crests and troughs of myriad waves of light. Their location and momentum must be theoretically knowable. But this violates the holiest canon of Copenhagen theory: Heisenberg Uncertainty. Bohr and Von Neumann proved to be true believers in Heisenberg's rule. Both denied that t

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he laser was possible. When Townes showed them one in operation, they retreated artfully.'

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i wonder how many people understand what a BLIGHT niels bohr was on his field.

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for GENERATIONS.

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(quoted from book review of carver mead's 'collective electrodynamics')

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(mead - inventor of GaAs FET and buncha other useful things)

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asciilifeform: afaik no 0.8 investigation.

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and does it really leak less?

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jurov: yes.

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jurov: i have had for many years a box running said item, and it has never oom'd.

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https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/taler/2016-06/msg00014.html

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GNU Taler 0.0.0

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'We are building an anonymous, taxable payment system using modern cryptography. Customers will use traditional money transfers to send money to a digital Exchange and in return receive (anonymized) digital cash. Customers can use this digital cash to anonymously pay Merchants. Merchants can redeem the digital cash for traditional money at the digital Exchange. As Merchants are not anonymous, they can be taxed, enabling income or sal

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es taxes to be withheld by the state while providing anonymity for Customers.'

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enough said ?

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srsly the sheer lunacy baked into presuming that anyone needs or wants anything of the kind.

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in more interesting nyooz, the tel aviv tempest folks are at it again, http://m.cacm.acm.org/magazines/2016/6/202646-physical-key-extraction-attacks-on-pcs/fulltext

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^ extraction of gpg privkey via ~hour of microphone.

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" The Runabout uses reflection to find visit methods. But instead of invoking the visit methods with reflection, the Runabout uses dynamic code generation to create code at run-time that will invoke the appropriate visit method." grothoff is just full of good ideas

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ben_vulpes: what's this

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<+asciilifeform> ;;later tell mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477259 << the node links all 404 << ah, thanks forgot that i changed the file name

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Logged on 2016-06-05 05:39 mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/ << files here are being updated four times per hour.

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asciilifeform: some java codegen thinger the taler guy wrote a while ago

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"or from 30cm away through a plain mobile phone placed next to the computer" ahaha airgap amirite

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30cm of air. desk, floor, etc. conduct pretty well.

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you can also get spectacular results with multiple microphones.

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still gotta trick me into decrypting your payloads

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well, sure, victim has to unsheath his keyz

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jurov, ben_vulpes, et al : old thread : http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-12#1271350

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Logged on 2015-09-12 17:11 asciilifeform: in other news, http://taler.net << the usg-approved, built-in-tax-collector-and-stoolie altcoin is finally rolled out.

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http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-12#1271361 << etc.

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Logged on 2015-09-12 17:13 asciilifeform: 'Unlike BitCoin or cash payments, Taler ensures that governments can easily track their citizen's income and thus collect sales, value-added or income taxes. Taler is thus a currency for the mainstream economy, and not the black market.'

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ok updated and fixed, thanks asciilifeform

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ben_vulpes: moar lulz from thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-12#1271821

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Logged on 2015-09-12 21:47 mircea_popescu: http://grothoff.org/christian/grothoff.jpg << this fellow specifically.

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yeah, i recall

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meanwhile france is usg because if yer not with us yer against us (tm) (r) ?

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which france ?

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and yes, who is not with us - is either against us, or furniture. this is elementary.

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asciilifeform bbl - meat.

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http://www.theverge.com/2016/6/5/11861924/jacob-appelbaum-sexual-mistreatment-assault-allegations

15:20

who's that again ?

15:24

One of the tor project developers.

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Think he wrote some Snowden articles or somesuch iirc

15:28

aok

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477534 << lel and the moron thought he'd actually collect his reward (what?) for faithfully fellating usg, censoring the docs

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Logged on 2016-06-05 19:08 shinohai: http://www.theverge.com/2016/6/5/11861924/jacob-appelbaum-sexual-mistreatment-assault-allegations

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Aha, useful patsy must hang too when milked of useful

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16:59

$rated vtheimpaler_

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diana_coman has not rated vtheimpaler_.

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$rate vtheimpaler_ 1 New to Eulora.

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vtheimpaler_ is not registered in WoT.

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$rate vtheimpaler 1 New to Eulora.

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Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/a7e1cf0b-9e3b-4145-b523-4df99a169a42/

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$v 22C0C9ACD2803BFDF649765D343E0635BEF88579DB1F9029D08B33E3DE1C16AE

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diana_coman rated vtheimpaler 1 << New to Eulora.

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$key vtheimpaler

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http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/300a6b9d-9017-4637-a1d0-c9732ac6a088/

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oglafbot

http://oglaf.com/incubus/

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oglafbot

'nick BingoBoingo

17:52

[Qntra] Egyptian Dentist Arrested For Having Money - http://qntra.net/2016/06/egyptian-dentist-arrested-for-having-money/

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lol!

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that article is jus' perfect lol

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ty

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;;later tell asciilifeform Story qntra'd

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The operation succeeded.

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477486 << you just calm the fuck down and load the problem in head. if it's an actual blocking thing you just naturally stop sleeping until it's resolved ; if not, head goes on into a sub thinking about it ; which will eventually return with the results. this is how most trilema articles are written.

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Logged on 2016-06-05 15:58 asciilifeform: what might those be ?

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[Trilema] Aveam niste case... - http://trilema.com/2016/aveam-niste-case/

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477510 << still depends on chosen ciphertexts.

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Logged on 2016-06-05 17:10 asciilifeform: in more interesting nyooz, the tel aviv tempest folks are at it again, http://m.cacm.acm.org/magazines/2016/6/202646-physical-key-extraction-attacks-on-pcs/fulltext

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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477560 << and if the problem is 5-10% too big for your head?

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Logged on 2016-06-05 21:54 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477486 << you just calm the fuck down and load the problem in head. if it's an actual blocking thing you just naturally stop sleeping until it's resolved ; if not, head goes on into a sub thinking about it ; which will eventually return with the results. this is how most trilema articles are written.

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perhaps mircea_popescu doesn't deal in such.

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but i do.

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every day.

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