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00:05 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-04#1476894 probably
00:05 a111 Logged on 2016-06-04 18:44 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 the openssl people hosed your stator script by moving their turdball without a redirect. can we plz stop linking to derps in trb autoloaders ?
00:07 mod6 yeah, that thing you told me about alf. yesterday?
00:07 mod6 day before
00:10 asciilifeform aah
00:16 pete_dushenski http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/06/06/intel_xeon_e7_v4/ << TWENTY-FOUR TERABYTES OF RAM
00:17 pete_dushenski unrelatedly, can anyone recommend a 15min UPS for a workstation ? the power in this building/town is going to the fucking pits, even if it is really goddam cheap.
00:18 pete_dushenski anyone used cyberpower ? or is it apc all day everyday
00:22 pete_dushenski 15min at 400w, to be more specific
00:23 pete_dushenski http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX32714 << one option
00:28 pete_dushenski https://www.amazon.ca/APC-BR1500G-BACK-UPS-10-Outlet-1500VA/dp/B003Y24DEU/ref=sr_1_3 << another option
00:28 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: May I instead suggest Honda EU3000iS
00:29 pete_dushenski why don't you suggest i run mercedes inside house ?
00:29 pete_dushenski 5.6L of power right there
00:29 BingoBoingo No, make a cage outside house for it
00:30 pete_dushenski or exhaust out tailpipe emissions from garage
00:30 BingoBoingo Nah, don't want to fuck with CO
00:30 pete_dushenski mercedes is ~200kW
00:30 pete_dushenski yolo
00:30 BingoBoingo But at what fuel price?
00:31 pete_dushenski buck a litre
00:31 pete_dushenski bizniz expense
00:31 BingoBoingo No, I mean how much fuel to make the powah?
00:31 BingoBoingo That affects runtime in case all the oilsand burns in a wildfire
00:34 BingoBoingo Anyways diesel is better generators, but there aren't non-chicom small diesel inverter generator makers.
00:35 pete_dushenski i'd guess about 15-20hrs of runtime on a 90L tank
00:37 pete_dushenski so about $5/hr to run a neighbourhood's workstations
00:38 pete_dushenski less heat loss, transmission loss, obvious practical issues, etc.
00:38 BingoBoingo Or that honda with its ~14 liter tank can also hit 21 hours, but with less plugged in.
00:39 BingoBoingo Exact runtime/fuel consumption can be readily calculated on the Honda
00:41 pete_dushenski moar decentralised too
00:43 BingoBoingo seriously. Also man portable for quality man.
00:45 BingoBoingo Instead of ports man.
00:47 pete_dushenski ya not a lotta portsmen in the prairies or midwest
00:47 pete_dushenski in other white news, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/06/03/racism_row_hits_african_internet_registry/
00:49 trinque They have always claimed that we Black cannot run an organization like AFRINIC (too complex for our small bird brain...) ... I have leaved [sic] through that during my 10 years as CEO both in Africa and globally. But the reality is that our own people let this kind of thing perpetuate. << muh sides
00:49 pete_dushenski which can pretty much be summed up by this : https://65.media.tumblr.com/c48259277b779bf1ae794ce5ae95fa74/tumblr_o7w0i51Y5C1vvj8mlo1_500.jpg
~ 2 hours 30 minutes ~
03:19 jurov pete_dushenski: i don't believe these can sustain anywhere like 15min at 400W
03:22 jurov but a desktop usually won't eat 400W either, or are you mining? have 24" CRT?
~ 4 hours 51 minutes ~
08:13 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1477896 << 'liebert'
08:13 a111 Logged on 2016-06-07 04:17 pete_dushenski: unrelatedly, can anyone recommend a 15min UPS for a workstation ? the power in this building/town is going to the fucking pits, even if it is really goddam cheap.
~ 15 minutes ~
08:29 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski if you own rather than rent, buying a large unit is a good home improvement move. for one thing, all electronics benefit from power filtering etc, tv sets, whatever has chips in it. for another thing, redundant power is great and brownouts a thing everywhere. not the worst 5-10k you ever spent, can just sit in the basement and make your day for a week each decade or w/e.
08:31 mircea_popescu oh look at that, south african race relations are a paragon for the entire world :D
~ 28 minutes ~
08:59 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1477901 << gensets, either BingoBoingo or mircea_popescu's, do absolutely nothing until ~30sec or so after total blackout
08:59 a111 Logged on 2016-06-07 04:28 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: May I instead suggest Honda EU3000iS
08:59 mircea_popescu asciilifeform normally it's a unit consisting of generator, inverter, batteries.
09:00 asciilifeform well yes
09:00 asciilifeform the battery in this case ( mircea_popescu's outdoor wagon ) is used to start the diesel.
09:00 mircea_popescu so yes, it filters power throughout ; it supplants short timed blackouts electronically ; and longer course ones while the fuel lasts.
09:01 asciilifeform nobody keeps serious battery (for double-converting ups) outdoors, they die 10x faster
09:01 asciilifeform esp in a climate with <0 temps
09:01 asciilifeform which yes, mircea_popescu doesn't ever see
09:01 mircea_popescu all this, incidentally, was pioneered by filming crews.
09:01 asciilifeform naturally. lamps.
09:01 mircea_popescu asciilifeform hey, it's a profession, he gets it properly instaslled.
09:01 mircea_popescu yeah the large lights were very vulnerable, and expensive as fuck.
09:02 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: here in the north americanistans he can get absolute rubbish installed for maxint.
09:02 mircea_popescu well that's sad.
09:02 mircea_popescu but in any case : serenity starts with autonomy ; and autonomy has some very practical underpinnings.
09:03 asciilifeform and my point was that you can get a ~very~ good, and almost man-portable double-converting ups for almost nothing.
09:03 mircea_popescu for instance, romanians in the 90s moved off the "central heating" paradigm on to individual gas units.
09:03 mircea_popescu etc.
09:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ah, i wasn't criticizing your thang.
09:03 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what's so spiffy about this. so now they can rely on ru gas instead of own coal ?
09:03 mircea_popescu that they rely on a machinery in their own hands with a commodity input
09:04 mircea_popescu rather than rely on machinery in state owned building.
09:04 asciilifeform dunno about ro, but where i live gas is piped in by the city
09:04 asciilifeform just like steam was in su
09:04 mircea_popescu also, romania has plenty of gas ; was running out of coal at the time.
09:04 asciilifeform then logical.
09:04 mircea_popescu meanwhile stopped exploiting it altogether iirc.
09:05 mircea_popescu also ro-ru gas relations and energetics altogether have always been cordial.
09:05 mircea_popescu the ru know that ro have plenty of their own ; also tech leader. no motivation to pester them whatsoever.
09:05 mircea_popescu nothing's nicer in this world than a russian with his balls in vice.
09:06 asciilifeform ;;later tell pete_dushenski look for 'double-converter' ups - 1500VA and up. these draw current at all times, and lack the familiar relay 'click' - the inverter is always on. they come ~exclusively~ in rack-mount shape.
09:06 gribble The operation succeeded.
09:06 mircea_popescu i suppose "power standards for tmsr home" is yet another item we should eventually write up huh.
09:07 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the 'no motivation to pester' thing is possibly changing, as ro is slowly converted into usg forward base
09:08 mircea_popescu myeah
09:09 mircea_popescu romania does have a happy tradition of ending up caught in conflicts between various idiots, i'd be much surprised if this changed.
~ 18 minutes ~
09:28 jurov mircea_popescu: wtf is with mpex? it's like third time new order receives a signed receipt from mpex, and then completely vanishes
09:28 jurov till someone pesters you
09:29 jurov i'm not interested to keep coinbr running on such "fundament"
09:29 mircea_popescu we're enjoying teh benefits of well running servers.
09:30 mircea_popescu jurov is something caught right nao ?
09:33 jurov yes
~ 50 minutes ~
10:24 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4222B8F63EF091A0CD257743909482862B9D7D34A7FD4E635A71C9471097BEEA << this fella checks his key ~every single day. herr kucera, if you are tuned in, speak up !
10:24 deedbot [Trilema] A quick word on feminism - http://trilema.com/2016/a-quick-word-on-feminism/
10:27 mod6 So tb0t has a test plan, and is entering the final testing phase. Will keep ya posted.
10:27 asciilifeform neato mod6
10:27 mod6 As soon as we get through the testing, will deploy here and hopefully can turn attention to trb stuffs.
10:28 mircea_popescu exciting mod6 :D
10:31 mod6 yeah, it should work -- it won't be perfect, but it should at least get us started.
10:36 jurov asciilifeform: how do you know it's him?
10:36 asciilifeform jurov: i don't. but it is not entirely unreasonable conjecture.
10:37 asciilifeform yes, could easily be his sworn enemy, praying for his key to pop, wahtevr.
10:37 jurov i posted the phuctor urls to his blog, and it's rather popular
10:41 mircea_popescu or random bot following links to "seo"
10:42 mircea_popescu this entire "web numbers map to people" theory is just about as ridiculous as the whole "bitcoin addresses map to people" theory.
10:43 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if bot, it was a spiffily human-like bot. when you have log scrolling in one eye all day, ~every day, you get a feel for the zoology
10:44 mircea_popescu the notion one can distinguish a supervised bot from a slightly less supervised bot is wishful thinking ; no matter the effort expended.
10:45 asciilifeform this is a typical and lulzy reversal of the usual mircea_popescu vs asciilifeform mega-threadz
10:45 mircea_popescu there's big money in this, of course, and has for decades. "advertising industry" "fraud detection". it never worked.
10:45 asciilifeform yes, in principle it is not difficult to pass 'log reader turing test'
10:45 asciilifeform but in actual practice, ~nobody bothers.
10:46 asciilifeform mainly because it cuts into throughput.
10:46 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1477843
10:46 a111 Logged on 2016-06-07 00:56 mircea_popescu: "Hi team at Trilema How are you? I came across your excellent gaming site: http://trilema.com " << one of the pleasures of keeping a personal blog is that well... what is it ?
10:46 asciilifeform (can write bot that operates sluggishly, human-like, loads various unnecessary sub-pages, etc. but this means fewer clickfraudulent clicks etc.)
10:46 mircea_popescu notrly.
10:48 asciilifeform how not ?
10:49 asciilifeform sure, if you ~only~ want to emulate 'human reader', it is not difficult. but what exactly is the point of this exercise.
10:52 mircea_popescu what appears to you as sluggish is simply thing doing sluggish for someone else meanwhile.
10:52 mircea_popescu it pays to do it that way, stays under rader.
10:52 mircea_popescu radar*
10:54 asciilifeform i meant, what is the use of this.
10:54 asciilifeform what does the bot operator get out of it ?
10:55 asciilifeform it isn't as if the site somehow resists crawling of the usual sort.
10:55 phf ;; later tell mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1477847
10:55 a111 Logged on 2016-06-07 01:02 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475379 << best api would be kako log format "<whatever incremental id your message has>;<unix timestamp>;<nick>;<message>" and "<id>;<timestamp>;*;<nick> <message>" for /me messages, with a parametrized endpoint, that takes since_time and since_id that return all messages since timestamp or all messages since id, empty document when there are none, and 400 if there's more messages the
10:55 gribble The operation succeeded.
10:55 asciilifeform even google has the pretty much whole surface-visible structure indexed now.
11:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's just how the bot is written to work.
11:00 asciilifeform yes but ~why~
11:01 mircea_popescu because one size fits all ; and easier to have it work this way universally.
11:01 asciilifeform fact is, a good chunk of the traffic on dulap 80 is from traditional bots who loudly proclaim themselves.
11:02 mod6 phf: you sent that to me yesterday right?
11:03 mod6 the biggest pain about that format is the incremental id.
11:03 mod6 but the rest I can do, and I won't be logging messages as this thing will drop pms.
11:05 mod6 anyway, thanks again for pointing me to that
11:08 mircea_popescu sure.
11:09 mod6 i meant phf, but you too Mr. P. :]
11:17 mircea_popescu i was talking to alf :) sure, lots of bots are loud.
11:18 mod6 ahh. lol.
11:18 mod6 my bad.
11:20 phf maybe the id can be optional, but fwiw it doesn't need to match what the btcbase has. as long as it's unique and incremental on your system. the main usecase is that if the bot drops, for the duration of reconnect logger wants to know what happened on channel. so can do since_time=<+-10 minutes around drop time> and then fuzzy shuffle messages in
11:21 phf but then i was thinking that i can periodically poll all the sources since_id=<last id for the source> and check things for consistency, etc.
11:24 mircea_popescu mod6 he has a point you know, simply setting an index as "autoincrement" in your sql should supply this.
11:25 asciilifeform $up fromphuctor
11:25 deedbot fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes.
11:25 asciilifeform hello fromphuctor !
11:26 asciilifeform eh.
11:29 mod6 mircea_popescu: yah, it makes some sense.
11:29 mod6 im proud to say no sql is used :]
11:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform bot :D
11:30 mircea_popescu mod6 so what do you do, flatfile ?
11:30 mod6 anyway, i can make it happen. just gotta ensure its fast, don't want any io to slow stuff down.
11:30 mod6 ya. flat file for everything
11:30 mircea_popescu so get the line number.
11:30 mod6 sure, that'd be something too
11:31 mod6 i'll work something out for it. i see how it can be handy.
11:31 mircea_popescu or unixtime. etc.
11:31 mod6 werd
11:31 mircea_popescu ah nm, he said incremental.
11:31 mod6 well, that's probably incremental, just not sequenced
11:32 mod6 but yeah, i getcha
11:41 * shinohai asked tb0t for a cup of tea, only got hot water.
~ 1 hours 12 minutes ~
12:54 mod6 worked through the test plan after 2 small fixes, seems to be working as designed.
12:55 mod6 gotta add one last part before we can really use it in here; get it a pgp key, register it with deedbot, then build in functions to selfvoice
12:55 mod6 shouldn't be too bad
~ 30 minutes ~
13:26 asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkZ3GkeU9kg << l0l, mr mold - lives! no more ships, now 'comets', 'moons', ...
13:27 asciilifeform last slide: 'ready for self-hosted address space crowdsale'
13:28 asciilifeform ^^ -----> say hello to new ethercrapcoin
~ 15 minutes ~
13:43 shinohai God these shitty crowdsale?ICO coins are like viruses. They keep mutating.
13:47 asciilifeform arguably that one pre-dated the others. just took a while to fully bloom.
13:48 asciilifeform see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-04#1224582 http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-04#1224594
13:48 a111 Logged on 2015-08-04 21:44 ascii_field: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/urbit-dev/RoQrSFJ_M9o/ca3-nbSuIc0J << moar, for aficionados
13:48 a111 Logged on 2015-08-04 21:35 ascii_field: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/urbit-dev/qgxfZ-I-nJ4/q6mKVUA7b1oJ << obligatory, the mega-flamefest that followed
13:50 asciilifeform ^ mr mold, apart from the 1,001 other atrocious design decisions, added cherry to the shitcake by making his 'coins' have 9 lives.
13:50 asciilifeform as in, max transactions PERIOD.
13:50 asciilifeform specifically to 'we do not want to be bitcoin, bitcoin users will be crushed by usg'
~ 21 minutes ~
14:12 trinque jesus christ, the "umm"s coming out of this guy
14:13 asciilifeform trinque: last time i saw him on video, it was https://vimeo.com/9262193
14:14 asciilifeform and the man is very clearly not camera-ready.
14:14 asciilifeform has various strange 'darth vader' nervous ticks, presumably from years of living in cave
14:14 trinque take a breath and think about what's coming out your mouth hole
14:14 asciilifeform $up gabriel_laddel
14:14 deedbot gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
14:17 shinohai umm's and ahhs\'s seem to be common mannerisms amongst basement-dwelling scammers.
14:17 trinque skipped ahead, heard tripe on prediction markets being "just an advanced form of democracy"
14:17 trinque it's anything but
14:17 trinque what, everyone has the same amount of capital?
14:18 asciilifeform trinque: mold was actually representing sanity in that one
14:18 gabriel_laddel $s prediction markets are for tards
14:18 a111 1 results for "prediction markets are for tards", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=prediction%20markets%20are%20for%20tards
14:18 trinque wtf was/is bitbet
14:18 asciilifeform some derp named hanson was pushing a crackpottery called 'futarchy', where you have a bitbet-like item that is actually plugged into a robotic monarch that issues edicts
14:18 gabriel_laddel ^ this is what I've encountered people pushing irl
14:19 gabriel_laddel under the name of "prediction market"
14:19 gabriel_laddel trinque: a betting site?
14:20 trinque where people made predictions and were paid for them if they were correct
14:20 trinque and losers lost capital which diminished their ability to take part
14:21 gabriel_laddel The lesswrong people I've run into out the bay area all tacked on idiocies like "if someone had a really good betting run, then you would pay them to make decisions for you regarding your own life"
14:21 gabriel_laddel Where should I / my kid attend school etc.
14:21 trinque soon as someone does something that works some other idiot comes along and wants to make a religion and government out of it
14:22 asciilifeform the 'futarchy' folks were trying to give ye olde demoooooocracy a new spray paint coat.
14:22 asciilifeform i have nfi whether they're still at it, and if so - how.
14:22 asciilifeform can't be arsed.
14:23 trinque gabriel_laddel: whole thing is fucked as soon as the cultural notions of born slaves enters the process
14:23 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: have you sailed across the river to montevideo yet?
14:23 trinque oh, we will find our stalin and then follow him
14:24 asciilifeform trinque: nobody was looking for stalin. instead it was 'capitalist' spray paint on the old popular vote nonsense.
14:26 gabriel_laddel trinque: didja see your quote on the new McCLIM site?
14:26 trinque which?
14:26 gabriel_laddel https://common-lisp.net/project/mcclim/excite.html
14:26 trinque ha!
14:26 trinque how bout that, I'm lispfamous
14:26 asciilifeform lel
14:27 gabriel_laddel Thanks for your words.
14:27 asciilifeform now if only clim weren't dog-slow.
14:27 asciilifeform and motif-infested.
14:27 asciilifeform MOTHERFUCKING athena widgets.
14:27 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel a number of times.
14:27 * asciilifeform allergic, breaks out in hives when sees it
14:28 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: one step at a time. I cut out all the "backends" and got the LoC count to 100,803 lines of CL.
14:28 asciilifeform more than whole os + bitcoinatron ought to weigh.
14:28 asciilifeform much less some piddling gui.
14:31 gabriel_laddel We do have to deal with X...
14:32 shinohai Hey that Gsharp thing looks pretty nifty.
14:32 asciilifeform why does clim have to use any of the native gui widgets ?
14:32 asciilifeform all it really needs is a 2d output port.
14:32 gabriel_laddel It doesn't.
14:32 asciilifeform which can be x or anything else
14:32 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1478060 << still with that stupid shit ?
14:32 a111 Logged on 2016-06-07 17:50 asciilifeform: specifically to 'we do not want to be bitcoin, bitcoin users will be crushed by usg'
14:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: well, still in the sense that the urbit thing chugs along
14:32 mircea_popescu ima buy him for making salami eventually. "who crushes who, bitch ?"
14:33 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: I use the CLX native backend and will be moving to framebuffer when it makes economic sense.
14:33 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477341
14:33 a111 Logged on 2016-06-05 14:09 asciilifeform: fella wasn't quite certain what he wanted, and soon after the publication, devil approached him with bargain.
14:33 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: so explain the atrocious athena soup
14:34 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1478065 <<< one of the funniest things to me re webtard community was that they read enough trilema to find ancient political meeting videos and hurr durr critically at my performance.
14:34 a111 Logged on 2016-06-07 18:14 trinque: take a breath and think about what's coming out your mouth hole
14:34 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: it just LOOKS like that. All of those widgets are just handle-repaint defmethods.
14:34 asciilifeform and if you think i will use scrolls that don't respond to mouse wheel, EVER, think again.
14:34 mircea_popescu AS FUCKING IF there exists the webtard that can emulate my rhetoric ability.
14:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: would it make much difference if there could ?
14:34 mircea_popescu yes. i'd study them to get better.
14:35 mircea_popescu buncha fuctards, can't speak in public, opine as to consummate public speaker's performance ; never as much as owned a suit of clothes, comment the suits of dude that's been wearing one since highschool. on it goes.
14:35 gabriel_laddel Oh, and when I say "widget" I really mean gadget.
14:35 gabriel_laddel In the sense of: http://bauhh.dyndns.org:8000/clim-spec/index.html
14:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: wai where was this
14:36 mircea_popescu which this ?
14:36 asciilifeform 'opin as to .... performance'
14:36 asciilifeform 'never owned suit of clothing'
14:37 mircea_popescu uh i don't recall where specifically. tardstalk prolly. or reddit/twitter/whatever.
14:37 mircea_popescu maybe something awful forums ?
14:39 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1478076 << hysteresis no longer taught in schools i take it |?
14:39 a111 Logged on 2016-06-07 18:18 asciilifeform: some derp named hanson was pushing a crackpottery called 'futarchy', where you have a bitbet-like item that is actually plugged into a robotic monarch that issues edicts
14:39 asciilifeform nor nelson b hunt etc.
14:40 mircea_popescu nor for that matter fucking fractals and/or positibe feedback
14:40 asciilifeform like any good organized fraud, the futarchy folks consist of a few conscious sc4mz0rz who know exactly what they're doing, and a buncha useful idiots.
14:41 asciilifeform but i actually have nfi if that particular chumpatron is still rollin'. all i ever knew of it was from the mr mold film linked earlier.
14:41 asciilifeform which is eons old.
14:41 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1478082 << if you run into any more make them read http://trilema.com/2016/multivariate-calculus-for-experts/
14:41 a111 Logged on 2016-06-07 18:21 gabriel_laddel: The lesswrong people I've run into out the bay area all tacked on idiocies like "if someone had a really good betting run, then you would pay them to make decisions for you regarding your own life"
14:41 mircea_popescu for as long as that article stands "less wrong" seriously can't exist intellectually.
14:42 gabriel_laddel sent.
14:42 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i also missed this when it happened, but it imploded.
14:42 asciilifeform in, imho, an interesting way:
14:42 mircea_popescu which this now ?
14:42 asciilifeform 'less wrong'
14:42 mircea_popescu ah ah. usg nigger cut funding ?
14:42 asciilifeform the wind fell from its sails, and the cultists scattered to the four winds
14:42 asciilifeform no ! interestingly !
14:43 asciilifeform the opposite.
14:43 mircea_popescu that's a new one, i didn't know any other cause is even possibru. wha happened ?
14:43 asciilifeform yudkowsky successfully bootstrapped his inner cult to the next level, of being a properly institutionalized and usgized org, and he didn't need the public www any moar.
14:43 asciilifeform left it floating without engine.
14:43 mircea_popescu uh.
14:43 mircea_popescu so wait, less wrong got #bitcoin-asset'd ?
14:43 asciilifeform aha!
14:44 asciilifeform in its own way.
14:44 mircea_popescu and for no fault of their own ?!
14:44 asciilifeform aha!
14:44 gabriel_laddel $s slatestarcodex
14:44 a111 11 results for "slatestarcodex", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=slatestarcodex
14:44 asciilifeform ^ described in agonizing detail therein, iirc
14:44 asciilifeform pet reads it, i can't be arsed
14:44 asciilifeform i get briefings periodically.
14:44 mircea_popescu interesting.
14:45 asciilifeform $up gabriel_laddel
14:45 deedbot gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
14:45 mircea_popescu anyway, my opinion of yudkowsky fellow has been
14:46 mircea_popescu rather low ever since i taught him how to write and he... failed to engage.
14:46 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: he's on the other side.
14:46 mircea_popescu rather too like the inept romanian wanna-bes for my taste.
14:46 asciilifeform big fat surprise he won't engage.
14:47 mircea_popescu why ? twerp is writing fiction "didactically" and "challenges" the world.
14:47 asciilifeform serves hitler, in that enthusiastic and demented way that only a mengele can.
14:47 gabriel_laddel "impotence is just as much fun"
14:47 mircea_popescu da fuck, how dares he not humbly suck cock when the world condescends to slap him silly.
14:47 gabriel_laddel *"intellectual impotence is just as much fun"
14:47 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: he is already full of cock, just not yours
14:47 mircea_popescu then why's he going around asking for it.
14:48 asciilifeform habit?
14:48 * mircea_popescu takes poorly to false advertising.
14:48 mircea_popescu where the fuck was that thing anyway.
14:49 mircea_popescu it was some derpy fanfic wtf was it
14:49 asciilifeform anyway he successfully distilled the most hardcore folks from his original cult into a new thing, is moar funded than ever before, as far as i can tell, and is happily fellating thiel with renewed vigour.
14:49 gabriel_laddel harry potter and the methods of rationality?
14:49 mircea_popescu oh oh! ty
14:49 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2015/the-harry-potter-challenge/
14:49 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: wait what does his new thing have to do with thiel?
14:49 asciilifeform also he has some variant of harem.
14:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no ?!
14:50 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: sole, afaik, sponsor.
14:50 mircea_popescu wait, he got ONE FRAGMENT right, alone, by itself ?
14:50 mircea_popescu had no idea this is even possibru.
14:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: either yes or very elaborate ruse, including some folks who dun like him no moar participating.
14:50 mircea_popescu how does one sit atop the pile of chicks and still derp ineptly ?
14:51 mircea_popescu harem is healing.
14:51 asciilifeform maybe defective chix.
14:51 asciilifeform maybe not enough of'em
14:51 gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: is the "nightlife" in montevideo the ~same as BA?
14:51 mircea_popescu hm.
14:51 asciilifeform maybe if derp finds The Ring of Popescuinity in the mud, and cleans it up, and wields some of its powers, he still isn't mircea_popescu ?
14:51 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel roughly yeah.
14:52 mircea_popescu asciilifeform sanity is homeostasis. what is this "functioning liver by itself" ?
14:53 asciilifeform nothing so strange. somewhat rhetorically-savvy fella, gathers a buncha sillycon valley types, and convinces them that (in their words) 'smartest human who ever lived.' money rains in, chix put out, etc.
14:53 asciilifeform as with mr mold, yudkowsky 'cheated' by being a rather good librarian
14:54 asciilifeform he did not personally invent his crackpotteries, but carefully cut out of actual works of philosophy, translated to sv porchmonkey language, and marketed.
14:54 asciilifeform successfully.
14:54 mircea_popescu no such thing ; the dead mechanism either rots and stinks ; or else exactly immitates life - so much so as to be actually alive ; and if actually alive - it heals.
14:54 asciilifeform ustards specialize in exploring the borderland between life and putrescent soup.
14:54 mircea_popescu much like the "bitcoin corrupts" argument - harem heals. if you actually get one, you can't be "yourself".
14:55 asciilifeform tell this to the lunatic sultans.
14:55 asciilifeform who wrecked their empire.
14:55 mircea_popescu well that one didn't work.
14:55 asciilifeform so then.
14:55 asciilifeform harem - not always heals.
14:55 mircea_popescu if it's alive it does.
14:56 asciilifeform beyond this i cannot say, i do not have a mole in y's harem.
14:56 mircea_popescu if it isn't... hm. you saying basically they only visit with performance gas mask on ?
14:56 asciilifeform quite possibly.
14:56 asciilifeform not so different from every ustard's 1 gurl.
14:56 mircea_popescu tsk. it's unstable as all fuck though.
14:56 asciilifeform who also lives with gas mask.
14:57 mircea_popescu this is precisely how you end up with whores in the matress.
14:57 asciilifeform what's that
14:58 mircea_popescu you ever read bitter moon, say ? or i guess saw the movie, which was terrible, but i suppose still carries ?
14:58 asciilifeform nope
14:58 mircea_popescu ok, let's try a general statement. the trite rules of common sensical behaviour exist principally not because they're good or useful or productive ; but because they are banal, and in being banal are safe.
14:59 mircea_popescu he who steps outside of their braindead protection will encounter great power ; which, without control, will ruin their life ; in such catastrophically major ways as to defy plain description.
14:59 asciilifeform a la lottery winners ?
14:59 mircea_popescu quite very much so.
15:00 asciilifeform and as per the 'money and power, car and petrol' thread
15:00 mircea_popescu right.
15:00 asciilifeform most commonly, 'helpful' folks will come straight up out of the earth itself to 'help' mr. rich spend 'his' moneys.
15:00 asciilifeform wife, mother, brother, ... whoever.
15:00 asciilifeform until he is $maxint in debt, even.
15:01 mircea_popescu harem heals ; and what that means if it's dead rather than alive ... god only help you.
15:02 asciilifeform mircea_popescu is probably still thinking of yudkowsky as a rich man, even if in the lottery sense. but he is actually, in effect, an employee - simply a very highly-compensated one
15:02 asciilifeform the infrastructural work of keeping weevils out of the stash is, presumably, handled by his master.
15:02 mircea_popescu what differece could it make ?
15:02 asciilifeform the difference that the death he was supposed to die as per mircea_popescu's observation is forestalled.
15:02 mircea_popescu that's a story of money ; cunt works differently.
15:03 asciilifeform the cunt is responding to the man being a master of an army.
15:03 mircea_popescu what, his mother handles his harematic affairs, as per abdul hamid ?
15:03 asciilifeform this is where i say that i have absolutely nfi. was only conjecturing as to why the 'ring of popescuinity' has not melted his flesh from radiation damage.
15:04 trinque http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/06/polyamory-is-boring/#comment-13604 << yudkowski might be a cuck
15:04 asciilifeform could be -- i've heard it rumoured that his harem includes dudes
15:04 mircea_popescu is polyamory when chicks fuck around ?
15:05 trinque says he only dates women dating other men
15:05 mircea_popescu that's cuckooing not cuckolding :D
15:06 trinque heh yeah, it can go that way too
15:06 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: wouldn't it depend on who 'wins' ?
15:06 mircea_popescu "This is a post about applied luminosity in action: how I hacked myself to become polyamorous over (admittedly weak) natural monogamous inclinations. "
15:07 mircea_popescu lulz what the fuck am i reading.
15:07 mircea_popescu asciilifeform understand, a major part of the appeal of prostitutes for many people is that they already have a pimp. contrary to what polite society likes to believe, men don't generally want THAT much to do with women.
15:07 asciilifeform noshit.jpg
15:08 asciilifeform 'pay to go away'
15:08 asciilifeform which is why i was initially puzzled at mircea_popescu's setup
15:08 mircea_popescu i've known plenty of folk who'd only do say married womenz. "she's married already".
15:08 mircea_popescu i've known even more folk who wouldn't deflower a girl, myself included. etc.
15:08 asciilifeform eh why not ??
15:08 trinque has no idea how to do it
15:08 mircea_popescu cuz she sucks at fucking ?
15:09 trinque ^
15:09 mircea_popescu asciilifeform not everyone that gets invited to be taken for a ride is invited to stay.
15:09 mircea_popescu not even close.
15:09 asciilifeform well sure
15:09 asciilifeform but why install any
15:09 mircea_popescu because good.
15:10 asciilifeform i can see this.
15:10 mircea_popescu you ever read asylum in the end ?
15:10 asciilifeform yes!
15:10 mircea_popescu frankie explains. "organised fun"
15:10 asciilifeform see, i dun need convincing, i have a pet installed, and in principle room for moar, but never found any moar.
15:10 mircea_popescu her job anyway.
15:10 asciilifeform well yes.
15:12 trinque and something that probably kicks on in her when there's wealth.
15:12 trinque asciilifeform: and we both live in poorasfuckistan
15:12 mircea_popescu ah there is that. harem reproduces, just like "monogamous fambly".
15:12 asciilifeform trinque: which something
15:13 mircea_popescu if you're poor she can readily be excused.
15:13 asciilifeform did i miss a line
15:14 trinque asciilifeform: the desire to increase the number of women
15:15 asciilifeform properly-configured petz don't cost much
15:15 trinque it's a reproductive thing
15:15 asciilifeform esp if they are 'inpatient' and share infrastructure.
15:15 asciilifeform per asciilifeform's lights, 'properly configured' means reliably sterile
15:16 mircea_popescu children cost even less ; yet it's a matter of perception.
15:16 trinque you're not a chick!
15:16 trinque lol
15:16 mircea_popescu here's a good idea : singular, anecdote ; plural, anecdata.
15:17 asciilifeform lel
15:17 mircea_popescu anecdata being what socially passes for "scientific studies" - enough badly curated data to lend apparent support to whatever fashionable political claim.
15:17 asciilifeform pretty sure i've seen this term used in precisely this light.
15:17 trinque pretty good
15:18 mircea_popescu yay, me reading trinque 's link was not entirely wasted.
15:18 trinque also wouldn't surprise me that anyone in amerika with a functioning nervous system has a strong instinct of "this place is done for" going off
15:19 trinque why would a woman's nesting behaviors go off under such circumstances
15:19 mircea_popescu "I have lived with them for seven months now and never once have I seen them get in a fight (I know there is way more to being a couple than not fighting but I’m trying to think of objective numerical evidence I can report here beyond “if you know them, you know what I mean”)." << it's a miserable fucking criteria wtf.
15:19 asciilifeform trinque: different folks respond differently to it. some - build walls.
15:19 asciilifeform others - ships. etc
15:19 mircea_popescu if your idea of "a fight" is one screaming his head off and the other begging forgiveness on knees and kowtows, then "no fights" is a completely dead relatopnship where no instruction is taking place ;
15:19 asciilifeform it remains to be seen whether any wall, including the sea, is tall enough
15:20 mircea_popescu if your idea of a fight is for the submissive to blather off, then o my fucking god what shambling abomnation is this!
15:21 mircea_popescu "They both go way out of their way to make the other happy, and although part of this is just that they’re both very nice people who go out of their way to make everybody happy, I think there’s got to be some love involved there too. They are engaged, working on the “getting married” thing, and have every intention of having lots of children and staying together for at least one lifetime." << california can't grow eno
15:21 mircea_popescu ugh lemons to fix america, i swear.
15:23 mircea_popescu "I once felt a small pang of jealousy when one of my girlfriends was having a very public display of affection with a non-Mike person I didn’t know quite so well. But I get upset with/jealous of public displays of affection in general, even among people I don’t know, and it’s very hard for me to disentangle this feeling from jealousy and it could have just been my imagination." << or otherwise, could start by defining "
15:23 mircea_popescu my".
15:23 mircea_popescu "one of the public whores (free as in beer) that i'm sometimes pumping was working some chump and this bothered me maybe" ?
15:25 BingoBoingo ;tldr sorry pete, Jews can't be pimps
15:26 mircea_popescu "Empirically the most ‘attractive’ man in our community including for purposes of casual sex is Mike Blume, who (I’ve asked a woman or two) achieves this by being extremely polite, reliable, and generating a feeling of being very safe to be around or date (contrary to a number of people who’d allege that this is beta-male behavior who I’m beginning to suspect are just sheerly empirically wrong)." << ahahaha win. che
15:26 mircea_popescu ck it : http://mikeblume.com
15:27 mircea_popescu "Mike Blume, gadabout and preterist, has grown bolder and bolder against Apostolic holiness traditions which he calls legalism. He has denied several of our ..." apparently the other priest dudes don't think so much of him.
15:29 asciilifeform prolly wrong blume mircea_popescu
15:29 mircea_popescu it's been a few years... just as likely right blume.
15:29 asciilifeform doubt it
15:29 mircea_popescu tucker max was a "finance expert" with scott lockinesque notions on bitcoin, last i looked,
15:29 mircea_popescu you know, the fiction genius.
15:30 * asciilifeform prolly wasn't here for that one
15:31 mircea_popescu aww, you missed such a nice pile of anecdotes. so this guy, on the basis of a web forum populated by anglo dorks, and with the help of a "strategist" whose name escapes me atm but whose badly shaped cranium i still recall, were going to "revolutionize" and shit.
15:31 mircea_popescu it was a very entertaining few years, i definitely recommend the study of "fratire" to the entomologist.
15:34 mircea_popescu bwahahyaha check this shit out :
15:34 mircea_popescu "Everything went according to plan: I can now comfortably describe myself and the primary relationship I have with MBlume as poly. <bragging>Since moving back to the Bay Area I've been out with four other people too, one of whom he's also seeing; I've been in my primary's presence while he kissed one girl, and when he asked another for her phone number; I've gossiped with a secondary about other persons of romantic interest
15:34 mircea_popescu and accepted his offer to hint to a guy I like that this is the case; I hit on someone at a party right in front of my primary. I haven't suffered a hiccup of drama or a twinge of jealousy to speak of and all evidence (including verbal confirmation) indicates that I've been managing my primary's feelings satisfactorily too.</bragging> Does this sort of thing appeal to you? Cross your fingers and hope your brain works enoug
15:34 mircea_popescu h like mine that you can swipe my procedure."
15:34 mircea_popescu how do they manage to stay mentally 12 ?! seriously now.
15:46 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> how do they manage to stay mentally 12 ?! seriously now. << By continuing to surround themselve exclusively with sick people.
15:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: who wrote the above ?
15:54 asciilifeform $up gabriel_laddel
15:54 deedbot gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
16:02 gabriel_laddel Masamune update while I'm here:
16:03 gabriel_laddel untangled the only gnarly bit of the masamune replication and promptly cooked my computer's hard drive
16:03 gabriel_laddel set back about 2 weeks.
16:03 asciilifeform replication?
16:04 gabriel_laddel Generate a RescueCD that rebuilds masamune using all the sources on disk
16:04 gabriel_laddel along with all the docs etc
16:04 asciilifeform neato
16:04 asciilifeform sorta like 'buildroot' ?
16:04 gabriel_laddel sorta
16:05 trinque bro... rsync
16:05 gabriel_laddel trinque: I don't know / use rsync. What should I have done?
16:05 trinque cronjob to rsync your whole dev machine elsewhere regularly
16:05 trinque or at least the code you want
16:06 gabriel_laddel you have no idea how much of a complete disaster my life is...
16:06 trinque start habits that make it otherwise!
16:06 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: you oughta have been here for the ' mircea_popescu arguing that there is no such thing as peformance dope ' thread the other day
16:06 asciilifeform i thought of you.
16:07 gabriel_laddel O? I have an event in an hour. Lemme catch up on logs...
16:07 gabriel_laddel No laptop, currently on a public box so can't get any work done.
16:07 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel had better not be in a motherfucking asylum
16:07 asciilifeform like adlai.
16:08 gabriel_laddel Nah. Stanford
16:08 asciilifeform similar enough.
16:08 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
16:09 gabriel_laddel cute girl with a "recreational mathematics" shirt on right next to me. it's not so bad.
16:09 gribble Current Blocks: {"blockcount":415255} | Current Difficulty: {"difficulty":199312067531.243} | Next Difficulty At Block: None | Next Difficulty In: None blocks | Next Difficulty In About: None | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
16:09 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477466 << thread.
16:09 a111 Logged on 2016-06-05 15:25 asciilifeform: how do you figure
16:14 gabriel_laddel Turns out is her bf's shirt and she does molecular bio so perhaps ascii was right...
16:14 trinque maybe he's into being cuckooed!
16:14 trinque I hear it's a progressive place, stanford
16:15 gabriel_laddel lol. not quite as progressive as yale. yet.
16:19 BingoBoingo Nah just as encancered. Just differently cancered.
16:20 BingoBoingo Tell her to call her boyfriend so he can watch her suck yo dick.
16:20 gabriel_laddel Hola BB.
16:20 trinque it's an opportunity for him to challenge the negative biases within himself and become a more open person
16:21 gabriel_laddel How is the sober life?
16:22 BingoBoingo Good. Happy, Joyous, and well... not as free as I like but maybe I'll kick the nicotine problem in the not too distant future.
16:23 gabriel_laddel Still got the agents watching you?
16:23 BingoBoingo Seems so
16:24 shinohai ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/PXU
16:24 gribble The operation succeeded.
16:25 BingoBoingo ty shinohai
16:25 shinohai Just a short PSA
16:26 asciilifeform $up gabriel_laddel
16:26 deedbot gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
16:26 asciilifeform waiwut what was i right about..?
16:26 trinque BingoBoingo: I'm working on kicking cigs too
16:26 gabriel_laddel stanford is an asylum.
16:29 BingoBoingo shinohai: I'm making runs at just pulling the bandaid off and learning a lot about physiological processes nicotine involves itself in that they don't really teach the kids about in school. For example: Nicotine causes causes stored sugahs to be released into the blood stream which means a substantial portion of the pain of acute nicotine withdrawal is related to the Beetus.
16:29 BingoBoingo Sorry ^ trinque
16:30 trinque interesting.
16:30 shinohai Applicable tho .... I have unsuccessfully tried quitting several times.
16:31 trinque I've quit before and got lazy, picked it back up
16:31 shinohai Don't want to become a vapefag though
16:32 asciilifeform shinohai: how come ?
16:32 asciilifeform why not get the nicotine without the CO ?
16:32 asciilifeform or what, it ain't proper honest sm0k3 unless yer gasenwagening yerself ?
16:33 shinohai Nope, the burn and taste is part of the reason I like it.
16:34 shinohai Fake smoke machine just doesn't do it.
16:34 asciilifeform fair nuff.
16:36 shinohai Actually vaping feels more like gasenwagening .. just add a can of zyklon B
16:37 BingoBoingo Yeah vapefag setups tryhard the temperature too much which is unpleasant and generates srs formaldahyde
16:38 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: how's that work? it is hotter than actual burning paper ?
16:38 deedbot [Qntra] Mere 265 Bitcoin Sell Causes Flashcrash At Coinbase, Chronically Thin Orderbook To Blame - http://qntra.net/2016/06/mere-265-bitcoin-sell-causes-flashcrash-at-coinbase-chronically-thin-orderbook-to-blame/
16:38 shinohai ^ top kek
16:39 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: filter on real cigarettes provides opportunity for smoke to cool pleasantly. They didn't become the standard for health reasons...
16:39 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: sure but how does this relate to whether formaldehyde forms ?
16:40 shinohai "possibly arbuscular mycorrhizal organisms" <<<lolz
16:40 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Anyways the people who sucessfully substitute vapes for cigs tend to run at 400-500 degrees which cooks many of the glycols theys use to maintain nicotine suspension into preservatives. If preserving lungs I'd rather do it with good old fashioned creosote.
16:41 asciilifeform interesting
16:42 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1478332 << random anon chick that yudk derp credits with his conversion to "polyamory"
16:42 a111 Logged on 2016-06-07 19:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who wrote the above ?
16:43 asciilifeform l0l!
16:43 asciilifeform was it alicorn ?
16:43 mircea_popescu yeah that
16:44 asciilifeform ^ interesting character from the lesswrong heyday. wrote 'harry potter and rationality' but for 'fifty shades'. also famous for having introduced 'offending wimminz is off limits' to lesswrong; and for suffering 'nightmares' on account of 'roko's basilisk'
16:44 asciilifeform $s basilisk
16:44 a111 9 results for "basilisk", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=basilisk
16:44 mircea_popescu fucking "my little pony" franchise reference. unicorn-pegasus wtf is wrong with esltards already.
16:44 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-20#1059184
16:44 a111 Logged on 2015-03-20 03:35 mircea_popescu: "Roko's basilisk is a thought experiment that assumes that an otherwise benevolent future artificial intelligence (AI) would torture the simulated selves of the people who did not help bring about the AI's existence. [...] The concept was proposed in 2010 by contributor Roko in a discussion on LessWrong. Yudkowsky deleted the posts regarding it and banned further discussion of Roko's basilisk on LessWrong af
16:45 mircea_popescu at least it could be snake bodied and feathered and also have many hands and could die on the cross.
16:45 mircea_popescu shitsoup 100%.
16:45 asciilifeform at any rate, the operative fact re yudkowsky is that he 1) took his cult to meatspace, nailing down funding, chix, sycophants, offices, etc 2) jettisoned the now-useless reddit
16:45 mircea_popescu thoth prolly needs to be in there also though...
16:46 asciilifeform the www forum was like the 1st stage of rocket.
16:46 asciilifeform burned, done.
16:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform for all the psycho-pomp, the whole thing reads to me rather infantile altogether. dumbass needed to crash, ended up crashing at apartment of derpy local chav and his whorish mahalagioaica.
16:47 asciilifeform his particular stated ambition is worth commenting on, also
16:47 mircea_popescu what, build eternal life spacesheep ?
16:47 asciilifeform y wants to form an all-powerful usg-like stooge force to get between anyone who might be crafting 'rogue ai' (ai not designed by y and sycophants) and their work
16:48 asciilifeform sorta like what existing usg tries to do with nukes
16:48 asciilifeform or at the very least it is his official thing.
16:48 mircea_popescu lol mkay.
16:49 mircea_popescu weren't we making "rogue ai" ?
16:49 asciilifeform https://intelligence.org << he renamed it. again.
16:49 asciilifeform it is an Official usg thinktank now!111111
16:49 asciilifeform with 'fellows'
16:49 asciilifeform and 'papers'
16:50 mircea_popescu pity it has no dao.
16:50 asciilifeform https://intelligence.org/transparency << cutting straight to the (claimed) chase.
16:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform seems dead ?
16:50 asciilifeform loads here.
16:51 asciilifeform https://archive.is/M1Ldm
16:51 mircea_popescu yes yes but ... strategic plan 1 year (2 installments) out of date ; "in review" idem
16:51 asciilifeform https://intelligence.org/topdonors
16:51 mircea_popescu ahahahaha jed mccalleb donated OVER 350k ?
16:51 mircea_popescu gtfo.
16:52 asciilifeform why should he publish financials, the idiots already coughed up the moolah!111
16:52 mircea_popescu the guy never had that much together.
16:52 asciilifeform who the fuck even was that
16:52 mircea_popescu old time bitcoin scammer ; kicked out around the time of the great mp scammer purge of 2013
16:52 mircea_popescu moved on to altcoin bullshit.
16:52 asciilifeform wasn't he the fella who robbed mtgox ?
16:53 mircea_popescu the finances of mtgox are unclear.
16:53 asciilifeform 'Jed McCaleb $631,137' << from the 'top donor' pg.
16:53 asciilifeform perhaps fella by same name.
16:53 asciilifeform i have nfi.
16:54 mircea_popescu i doubt it, seeing how they actually credit him for ripple.
16:54 mircea_popescu anyway : the numbers don't match ; total assets in 2014 ~2mn.
16:56 asciilifeform one, the other, both, neither, could be a fiction, i have nfi.
16:57 mircea_popescu anyway, the list as publishes sums to a suspiciously round 6,008,809. the assets claimed are ~30% that.
16:57 mircea_popescu bullshit through and through, i have no idea how they even summon the gall to publish this unauditable nonsense.
16:57 mircea_popescu vessenes & merck level "bitcoin foundation" sort of fraud.
16:57 asciilifeform had links to something claiming to be detailed audit dumps but i can't be arsed.
16:58 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it is not a mystery that y's thing is a kind of phoundation
16:58 deedbot [Qntra] US Newspapers Band Together In Defense Of Malware - http://qntra.net/2016/06/us-newspapers-band-together-in-defense-of-malware/
16:58 mircea_popescu i have the "independent accountant review" right here.
16:59 asciilifeform 'Ad-blockers undermine the ability of publishers to continue to provide free or reduced-pricecontent on the Internet because they undercut publishers’ ability to finance enterprisejournalism, and they threaten the livelihood of journalists and other content creators. These free-riding technologies are a clear and present danger to an ecosystem that hascreated a vibrant, content-filled Internet for the American public.' << gold
16:59 mircea_popescu it was prepared by some obscure los gatos ca house (snow, bittleston &co) and is every bit as ridiculous as the rest.
16:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: so why do you suppose they bothered ?
17:00 mircea_popescu anyway, in summary : 885k in bank ; 14k in something called "cyro currency" as an "investment", 50k in prepaid expenses and 307k receivables. not clear whom from, but anyway.
17:00 asciilifeform and iirc phoundation didn't even have a shill audit so this'd be classier, neh ?
17:00 mircea_popescu 10k worth of furniture and 6k worth of "computer equipment"
17:00 mircea_popescu oh and 8.6k worth of wells fargo credit card debt. lollercopter.
17:01 asciilifeform waaat
17:01 mircea_popescu we now have a precise sum of yudkowsky's total interest in this venture.
17:01 mircea_popescu he got ~8664 worth of groceries.
17:01 asciilifeform iirc prior to deal with the devil fella was worth ~0
17:01 asciilifeform he was booted out of school for insanity
17:01 mircea_popescu o look at that, "salaries" 258k ; payroll tax and employee benefits 22k.
17:02 asciilifeform and afaik neither worked nor mircea_popescud.
17:03 asciilifeform sounds like they employ 2-3 people.
17:03 mircea_popescu at 31 dec 2014 realized loss from ripples an' bitcoins of 138.5k ; unrealized loss of 17.3k
17:03 asciilifeform at starvation wage.
17:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah, they employ one catamite. the lack of payroll tax is a dead giveaway.
17:03 mircea_popescu that catamite pointedly isn't yudk derp.
17:03 asciilifeform conceivably he is paid under the table ?
17:03 asciilifeform i mean, if whole statement is a fiction.
17:03 mircea_popescu not under table again. 8664, i'm telling you.
17:04 asciilifeform incidentally in usa if someone is employed as 'contractor' there is no payroll tax reflected in corp statement.
17:04 asciilifeform the victi^H^H^H^H^Hcontractor is required to pay tax manually.
17:04 mircea_popescu right.
17:05 asciilifeform sooo he's paid california-style. given corp cc and off he goes.
17:05 mircea_popescu more like pedowales style.
17:06 asciilifeform iirc even steve jobs was paid this way.
17:06 mircea_popescu "all frustrated at the heads using him for a sockpuppet, runs off with corp cc, is then forced to give it back"
17:06 asciilifeform incidentally -$8k of cc doesn't conclusively prove this scheme, it is common for us corp to pump purchases through a cc for bureaucratic reasons
17:06 asciilifeform and for it to be in the - at time of audit.
17:06 mircea_popescu just my old vp intuition.
17:07 mircea_popescu i spent a lot of my life going through exactly this sort of bs.
17:07 mircea_popescu fin vp*
17:08 asciilifeform small corp in usa almost always has a cc, for roughly same reason as humans do, it can dispute charges stemming from cc scamz, pay vendors which won't take american cheques, etc.
17:09 asciilifeform and i find it mind-boggling that thiel would choose to pay him this way, vs hiring him as 'consultant' or fuck, gardener, or whatnot, and just handing him bags of money
17:11 mircea_popescu atm looks a lot more like someone in tax shelters is using this to hide from a few mn worth of tax liability ; than thiel or anyone else wanting to give yudks as much as a half smoked marlboro.
17:11 asciilifeform how does that work ?
17:11 mircea_popescu you ever seen "the strawberry blonde" ? 1930s film with cagney, de havilland and a still starlet rita hayworth.
17:12 asciilifeform thiel puts $sum in phoundation; then gets it back out? how ?
17:12 asciilifeform nope?
17:12 mircea_popescu not a bad film ; cagney's a dope, friend of his offers him a position in management for a company where all he does is read the nespapers.
17:12 mircea_popescu eventually govt deal obtained through tammany hall collapses an' he goes to jail.
17:13 asciilifeform sorta like,
17:14 asciilifeform 'You know how mentally limited people who agree to work for vague international companies doing the "clerical work" of cashing checks end up with a visit from the police ? ' ( http://trilema.com/2015/thattommyhall-that-kickstarter-scamsite-this-internet-life/#selection-125.2-125.173 )
17:14 mircea_popescu sorta like.
17:14 asciilifeform but that part i can see how it works (mule sends the money on).
17:14 asciilifeform but how here ?
17:14 mircea_popescu except hey, for as long as thiel's connected, who's gonna rustle his clientelle.
17:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform here mule claims to have received donations that never showed up. win-win as they say.
17:15 asciilifeform not only is this logical,
17:15 mircea_popescu the "assets match ~30% of theoretical income" is a major flag ; the periodic name changes a slightly less major flag.
17:16 asciilifeform but i suspect that ~all american 'nonprofits' operate some variant of this chumpatron.
17:16 mircea_popescu there's more. in any case - let it be said faux charities are today as were a century ago the principal tax fraud mechanism.
17:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform bout two thirds.
17:16 asciilifeform hey, since when even, children's crusade.
17:17 mircea_popescu anyway, it's a major factor in the "i can't explain why the fuck this guy went all usgtronic".
17:17 mircea_popescu well... odds are he's a principal in a charity somewhere that cooked the books. "seemed the right thing to do" "i just took people's word" "i just wanted to" etc.
17:26 deedbot [Qntra] Likely Next French President Wants Bitcoin Ban - http://qntra.net/2016/06/likely-next-french-president-wants-bitcoin-ban/
17:28 asciilifeform waiwut didn't they already..?
17:29 asciilifeform or what, now will be 2x as banned!1111
17:29 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Follow link for max lulz
17:29 asciilifeform like in ru every year
17:29 asciilifeform 'bitcoin is now MOAR BANN3D1111'
17:29 BingoBoingo "'Likely next French President Marine Le Pen (WOT:nonperson) has gone on the record stating that she would like a ban on Bitcoin. Remember kids that National Socialism is still socialism with all its kleptographic tendencies intact."
17:29 mircea_popescu hmm, anyone have the requisite pseudosocial media doohickey to contact this guy https://plus.google.com/101025241405784788544 ?
17:30 mircea_popescu eh the bitch's not making it.
17:31 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo double whether
17:31 BingoBoingo ty, fixed
17:31 BingoBoingo and if Trump-Clinton can do it so can Le Pen
17:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform laughably, idiot imagines bitcoin as part of "online payment" and opposes it because "it hinders individual property on money".
17:32 mircea_popescu total fucking shitshow.
17:32 asciilifeform hey and idiot imagines that camera steals souls
17:33 asciilifeform and that steam train will move a man too quickly for him to breathe, etc.
17:33 asciilifeform but the 'bitcoin == scam' isn't even wholly unreasonable for aboriginal whose entire experience of 'electronic money' has been chumpatronic
17:34 asciilifeform how is poor bastard to know that this airplane - flies.
17:34 mircea_popescu it is wholly unreasonable to discuss things you don't understand ; it is disqualifying to not understand certain things.
17:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform by not being "poor bastard".
17:34 asciilifeform well he ain't here! is derping in some parliament instead.
17:34 asciilifeform so - poor bastard.
17:36 mircea_popescu also, it's a woman.
17:37 asciilifeform ah lel i did not even read linked piece
17:37 asciilifeform it is, innit.
17:37 asciilifeform widow of what's his face
17:37 asciilifeform the fascist fella ?
17:38 asciilifeform but i was speaking of archetypical cargo cult derp, who is eternally male.
17:38 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Daughter of
17:38 asciilifeform ah
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18:00 asciilifeform in other lulz, the various gold chumpatrons must really be hard up for chumpz
18:01 asciilifeform i keep getting spam from 'goldmoney' for 'buy with 0 fee'
18:01 asciilifeform (eons ago, i actually used it)
18:01 asciilifeform (and it was very much not 0fee)
18:02 BingoBoingo http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4553
18:03 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: They are hard up. Their radio advertising has definitely fallen off these past few weeks. Likely can't afford it.
18:08 shinohai Looks like Bruce Fenton is resigning as director of teh Phoundation.
18:10 BingoBoingo Why am I learning about that in this channel and not a submission?
18:11 shinohai " BUT could stay same role w an assist, in co-ED role, advisor, rebrand or ^ funding" <<< meaning "Imma quit if you don't give me monies"
18:11 BingoBoingo lol
18:11 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: does anyobody even care ~which~ pedo directs the arisen corpse of the phoundation ??
18:11 shinohai I need more sauce, just a bit
18:11 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Gotta count the corpses
18:12 shinohai ^
18:12 BingoBoingo Not because it is important now, but for the later lolz when the dead try to do something else
18:14 BingoBoingo https://i.imgur.com/ZDpQQAZ.png
18:23 shinohai BingoBoingo: http://ix.io/PZV
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18:52 BingoBoingo ty, bringing it into concordance with existing qntra
18:58 deedbot [Qntra] Fenton Taking Leave Of Vessenes' Fundnation Corpse - http://qntra.net/2016/06/fenton-taking-leave-of-vessenes-fundnation-corpse/
19:01 BingoBoingo Back to the Yudocow cognitive dissonance disease https://i.sli.mg/LqRavv.jpg
19:02 shinohai ty BingoBoingo
19:06 mircea_popescu fundnation ?
19:10 BingoBoingo Yeah. A socialist funding organization. Been using that on qntra for the Vessenes' scam since... forever?
19:10 BingoBoingo Phoundation is too legitimizing
19:14 shinohai ^ nb
19:24 BingoBoingo In other news, political ads are different in Missouri http://www.riverfronttimes.com/newsblog/2016/06/07/in-new-tv-spot-gubernatorial-candidate-eric-greitens-blow-stuff-up
19:29 shinohai Wow even other SEALS hate him.
19:31 BingoBoingo Come on this is politics, you can't believe anything being said by anybody involved other than blowing stuff up is fun.
19:37 BingoBoingo Seriously likely to win though
19:37 BingoBoingo $google site:qntra.net schweich
19:39 BingoBoingo Anyways, related http://qntra.net/2015/02/missouri-state-auditor-dies-of-gunshot-wound/
19:41 shinohai Hey BingoBoingo ... wasn't Boelens a former associate/employee of TF ?
19:43 trinque site doesn't work with the google search API
19:43 trinque nfi why
19:43 trinque $google qntra.net schweich
19:43 deedbot http://qntra.net/ << Qntra | Reporting the Intersection of Bitcoin, Technology, and Politics | https://twitter.com/qntra << Qntra (@qntra) | Twitter | http://qntra.net/about/ << About | Qntra
19:43 trinque rubbish
19:44 shinohai ;;google site:qntra.net schweich
19:44 gribble Error: We broke The Google!
19:44 trinque I would rather search the aggregated browsing history of my WoT than google
19:45 shinohai I switched search to ddg on my bot, but I think I broke it some time back.
19:45 trinque I used that for search a while back, ought to try it again
19:46 shinohai It's more regex friendly
19:46 BingoBoingo shinohai: He's some dutch kid kind of on the margins of everything
19:48 shinohai I only spoke with him a few times, but he seemed ok. Twas reading on tardstalk where someone doxed him over a 5 BTC loan or something.
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20:30 shinohai https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1495646.0 <<< selling `gavincoin.com` kek
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20:49 mircea_popescu "poets, literary men and artists in general are very peculiar fellows ; but what's very peculiar about it is that they're all the more peculiar the less talent they actually have, which makes it rather hard to explain why entirely ordinary people should be so very peculiar in the first place."
20:50 mircea_popescu $google site:qntra.net schweich
20:50 mircea_popescu hm.
21:03 trinque I just added qntra to the custom search panel thing explicitly; let's see if that did anything
21:03 trinque $google site:qntra.net schweich
21:04 trinque $google qntra.net schweich
21:04 deedbot http://qntra.net/ << Qntra | Reporting the Intersection of Bitcoin, Technology, and Politics | https://twitter.com/qntra << Qntra (@qntra) | Twitter | http://qntra.net/about/ << About | Qntra
21:04 trinque $google schweich
21:04 deedbot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Schweich << Tom Schweich - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/auditor-schweich-had-called-seeking-an-interview-just-before-his/article_879ddcd7-c997-5df3-bc61-39282c4f7434.html << Auditor Schweich had called seeking an interview just before his death | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schweich << Schweich - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
21:05 trinque wtf.
21:07 shinohai damned google
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21:37 asciilifeform lol gavincoin
21:42 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-08#1478598 << maaaaany years ago i chanced across the blog of a young (university student) math chick, who appeared to GENUINELY believe that she can become 'great' by cultivating the nervous ticks, compulsions, and miscellaneous dysfunctions paul erdos was infamous for !
21:42 a111 Logged on 2016-06-08 00:49 mircea_popescu: "poets, literary men and artists in general are very peculiar fellows ; but what's very peculiar about it is that they're all the more peculiar the less talent they actually have, which makes it rather hard to explain why entirely ordinary people should be so very peculiar in the first place."
21:42 asciilifeform 'darkmathgirl' if you are tuned in, speak up !
21:42 asciilifeform (long gone, as far as i can tell, from the net.)
21:46 asciilifeform $google darkmathgirl
21:46 asciilifeform ^___ ??? trinque
21:47 asciilifeform is it a nil or a what.
21:56 mircea_popescu $google darkmathgirls tits
21:56 mircea_popescu at least do it right if you're gonna
21:56 asciilifeform not them, either.
21:57 asciilifeform $google darkmathgirl's nsa career
21:57 asciilifeform also nuffin!
21:57 deedbot https://www.nsa.gov/careers/ << Careers & Programs - NSA.gov | https://www.intelligencecareers.gov/nsa.html << National Security Agency for Intelligence Careers | https://www.nsa.gov/psp/applyonline/EMPLOYEE/HRMS/c/HRS_HRAM.HRS_CE.GBL << Applicant Home
21:57 asciilifeform l0l
21:57 mircea_popescu intelligencecareers.gov ? bright.
21:58 asciilifeform you oughta see their bus ads.
21:59 asciilifeform http://www.reddotad.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Phone-62x43-downsized.jpg << example.
21:59 asciilifeform ^ there is a whole SERIES with the squirrel.
22:00 mircea_popescu i can picture the quality meatsacks they attract.
22:00 trinque asciilifeform: yeah that one doesn't shit anything out in google proper either
22:00 asciilifeform https://cdn.clearancejobs.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/270-CJ-Secret-Squirrel-Pics-504-03-Caption-032615.png << personal favourite.
22:00 trinque and I guess this google custom search doesn't do related searches?
22:00 mircea_popescu google shitstom search.
22:01 trinque doesn't do the directives like "site:"
22:01 trinque it's what I get for going the official route instead of screen scraping
22:10 mircea_popescu $google 1961 goldsboro crash
22:10 deedbot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1961_Goldsboro_B-52_crash << 1961 Goldsboro B-52 crash - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/nukevault/ebb475/ << New Details on the 1961 Goldsboro Nuclear Accident | http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/20/usaf-atomic-bomb-north-carolina-1961 << US nearly detonated atomic bomb over North Carolina – secret ...
22:10 asciilifeform iirc another in off the east coast
22:10 asciilifeform never officially found
22:10 asciilifeform (every decade or so, some salvage co goes looking)
22:11 asciilifeform another in spain - which went splat
22:11 mircea_popescu the pix are pretty good
22:11 asciilifeform and i forget where else.
22:19 asciilifeform http://www.ibiblio.org/bomb/ease.html << related lulz.
22:20 asciilifeform ^ spot where one of the bombz fell and sank into mud, never found.
22:27 mircea_popescu speaking of bombs, http://a1.ro/uploads/modules/news/0/2013/9/2/157543/138355122833a870da.jpg
22:28 asciilifeform lel what's this, a punctured magician's hat, around her waist ?
22:28 mircea_popescu wanna-be "corset"
22:36 mircea_popescu also to rest asciilifeform 's worries about web bots: trilema saw 59722 attempts to "POST /xmlrpc.php" within the past 12 hours.\
22:36 asciilifeform lel these come in by the megatonne ~everywhere i know of
22:36 mircea_popescu ie, more "visits" than average usg fishwrap gets in a week. none of them yielded anything ~whatsoever~, which discorages exactly no one.
22:37 asciilifeform they autopropagate.
22:37 asciilifeform junk router worm.
22:37 asciilifeform iirc
22:37 mircea_popescu nope.
22:37 mircea_popescu legit server space all over teh world.
22:41 mircea_popescu 5.135.17.28 (ovh sas - tons more from these) ; 188.120.41.9 (launchhost.net) ; 185.103.109.246 (bitcanal.pt), whatever A class, you name it, i've got it.
22:41 asciilifeform lulzy
22:44 mircea_popescu if a tenth of all this blind effort went into fucking up "the state" there'd be no state
22:44 mircea_popescu but hey, safely wasted in misdirected idiocy.
22:44 asciilifeform eh nobody risks his arse spamming
22:44 mircea_popescu nobody risks his arse raping the state, either.
22:44 asciilifeform hence why the net drowned in own shit
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