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00:12 BingoBoingo https://i.sli.mg/rJn1UP.png
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04:59 Framedragger oh mein gott, the language of these "abuse complaints"... your Server/Customer with the IP: [...] has attacked one of our servers/partners. The attackers used the method/service: *ssh*
05:00 Framedragger canyoubelieveit, i used *ssh*!!11 it's..super effective
05:00 Framedragger fucking jokers
05:06 Framedragger s/jokers/wankers/ , on further reflection
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08:24 shinohai http://archive.is/4A8Dt <<< lulz
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08:41 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 12139488149070232138243954377 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Li-Wen Kuo <li-wen@gmx.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A2E79EF558F70013AEC0461FCCE1B3DD2C2D67242AEDA15EA5C2BE283491CD3D
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09:18 asciilifeform ;;later tell trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-23#1470694 << it missed a whole bunch of these
09:18 a111 Logged on 2016-05-23 12:41 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 12139488149070232138243954377 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Li-Wen Kuo <li-wen@gmx.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A2E79EF558F70013AEC0461FCCE1B3DD2C2D67242AEDA15EA5C2BE283491CD3D
09:18 gribble The operation succeeded.
09:22 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-23#1470660 << neato
09:22 a111 Logged on 2016-05-23 02:23 Framedragger: asciilifeform et al.: a couple of representative ssh host key samples (e,N,ip_address) - two /8's - pipeline was masscan (sort of nmap+zmap with custom tcp stack) -> ssh-keyscan (manually parallelized) -> custom conversion into CSV
09:29 mircea_popescu Framedragger "modern democracy", that's what it is. a collective of wankers posturing as people.
09:31 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you'll end up working at teh mortuary you know.
09:32 mircea_popescu anyway ; yes, fat isn't innervated nor particularly perfused, and the more distant the less connected. which is why really fat people CAN'T actually lose weight. how would they, it is closer to a burlap backpack than a tissue.
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09:33 mircea_popescu shinohai oh, wait, 100 upvotes "speaking out" ? that's literally two cents.
09:36 mircea_popescu ;;later tell funkenstein_ please send me a statement of accounts thanks.
09:36 gribble The operation succeeded.
09:43 shinohai Democracy our voice will be herd!
09:51 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-23#1470702 << i'm pretty sure none of the folk in the ru photos of auschwitz etc piles were fat.
09:51 a111 Logged on 2016-05-23 13:32 mircea_popescu: anyway ; yes, fat isn't innervated nor particularly perfused, and the more distant the less connected. which is why really fat people CAN'T actually lose weight. how would they, it is closer to a burlap backpack than a tissue.
09:51 mircea_popescu asciilifeform none of the arrested jews were > 300 lbs, either.
09:52 mircea_popescu but sure, over time it perfuses. just, have to maintain an active lifestyle and a catabolic metabolism for years on end.
09:54 mircea_popescu anyway, the margin phenomena of the human sphere are platelet agglomeration on one end ; and aerobic necrosis on the other. the former makes a scab. the latter makes what fly maggots eat. which way the wound goes is decided by how much useful blood shows up per unit time.
09:55 mircea_popescu the human skin, unbreached, is a fantastic barrier to all this ; but like everything else it requires irrigation to function.
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10:11 asciilifeform recall orlov's hypothesis re how american-fat will kill the victim if he begins to burn it ?
10:18 * mircea_popescu came up with this obvious point independently, but ok!
10:19 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-01#1289392 ftw.
10:19 a111 Logged on 2015-10-01 07:57 mircea_popescu: the OTHER however, and in the us population without exception the more important, is toxin load. the body has two approaches to dealing with toxins : excretion and fat burial.
10:19 asciilifeform aha i recall thread
10:19 asciilifeform it will be interesting to see the hypothesis tested in the flesh.
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10:42 mircea_popescu and in other news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/cebca20a7d992a5e1f0cfded1e75ed1d/tumblr_n28w04wx071qmafq2o1_1280.png
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10:43 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: for some reason this reminds me of the grenade proposal
10:43 mircea_popescu well yeah.
10:44 mircea_popescu cooperation! anarchy!
10:50 shinohai http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-23#1470719 <<< wicked >:3
10:50 a111 Logged on 2016-05-23 14:42 mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/cebca20a7d992a5e1f0cfded1e75ed1d/tumblr_n28w04wx071qmafq2o1_1280.png
10:54 deedbot [Trilema] Tropic Tunder - http://trilema.com/2016/tropic-tunder/
10:56 mircea_popescu soo, chinese govt unloaded half a trillion "western world and modern democracy" (WWMD) paper in 2015, including ~300bn us treasuries. that's about 1/6 of their total exposure to usg bonds.
10:56 mircea_popescu SO FAR THIS YEAR they've dumped about as much.
10:57 mircea_popescu if the trend continues, 2018 will be the last year the us can finance ANY imports.
10:57 asciilifeform where exactly lives the mythical paper-ANYTHING that is not usg-exposed ?
10:57 mircea_popescu this includes chips, cars, oil, cheese, you name it.
10:58 mircea_popescu asciilifeform recall the thread about the ICBC that's about as large as the sum total of us banks yet trades in ny on the pink sheets ?
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10:58 mircea_popescu there
10:58 asciilifeform and no usgtronics baked into it at all ?
10:58 asciilifeform e.g., invests in nothing in not only us, but eu, jp, ... ?
10:58 asciilifeform neutron bomb usa and it won't move a mm ?
10:58 mircea_popescu you should see their tower in bsas.
10:58 mircea_popescu neutron my foot.
10:59 mircea_popescu "will it beat up superman" "dude... you think this is the cartoons ?"
11:00 mircea_popescu and speaking of "fed policies" : the fed created a "bull market" that was really a paper bubble devoid of any economic substance whatsoever. guess who rode it to the very peak ?
11:00 asciilifeform i just don't see this mythical 'fiat but not at all usgtronic' planet.
11:00 asciilifeform the same folks have their hands in all pies.
11:00 mircea_popescu china bought 120 bn worth of us stocks from 2008 to 2015. it liquidated q2/q3 2015.
11:01 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is like "apple could buy russia" talk. no, they do not. they like to pretend they do. and much like the dumb housewife of some random local tough, some people BELIEVE THEM.
11:01 mircea_popescu but otherwise... nope.
11:01 asciilifeform i've wondered, what's it even mean to 'buy russia'
11:01 mircea_popescu maps quite exactly on your "hands in pies" theory.
11:02 asciilifeform e.g., who bought russia in '92 ?
11:02 mircea_popescu ~me.
11:02 asciilifeform and did it cost much ?
11:02 mircea_popescu and it was a lovely decade, too.
11:02 mircea_popescu not so much.
11:02 mircea_popescu the ever-obnoxious reality of economics is that the people you want buying you never pay much ; and the people who pay much you never really want.
11:02 deedbot [Qntra] Ingsoc Victory: Britain's Children Too Fat To Breathe - http://qntra.net/2016/05/ingsoc-victory-britains-children-too-fat-to-breathe/
11:02 mircea_popescu works in marriage, the same way. and so on.
11:04 mircea_popescu (ah and in case anyone wonders where the money went ? M&A market. if you don't know what this is - it's when i buy your daughter to take her to shanghai.)
11:05 BingoBoingo Anyways Bayer upped its bid to 62 bn USD for monsanto
11:05 BingoBoingo From 48?-ish
11:05 mircea_popescu (and where's the money come from, you wonder ? ah, well, usg.fed.jpm and usg.fed.gs are lending companies money to buy their own stock back :)
11:06 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this'd be an almost exact analogue to ru privatization, neh ?
11:06 mircea_popescu wouldn't it.
11:06 asciilifeform hand out printolade to favourite sons, who are now 'legit owners' of x,y,z
11:06 mircea_popescu the past ten years, share buybacks were ~3bn. of which 500 bn 2015 and 500bn 2014.
11:07 asciilifeform you mean 3tn ?
11:07 mircea_popescu meanwhile 2 obama, 2 bush, 2 clinton and a bush sr back, the share buybacks were 5% that.
11:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform aha. damned zimbabwe, losing tracks of zeros already
11:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform not even a matter of sons ; the usg has no sons, nor any vigor in the seed. it's a matter of desperation - everything americans don't buy, the chinese buy, take apart and move to china.
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11:09 mircea_popescu at least in the ru privatisation, the driver was personal appetite, egotism, a will to live. that's good, no matter what the losers say. fuck the losers with a flaming spiked club.
11:09 asciilifeform it isn't entirely clear to me what the chinese even need from usa
11:09 mircea_popescu in the us however, it's dry ambition. or to quote,
11:09 asciilifeform i.e. why they trade
11:10 mircea_popescu " So we understand each other : John is some poor and kinda stupid kid from some ghetto in some indistinct townlet. One day, Mircea the Bad comes there on whatever business, sits down in the bar with his two bitches curled up at his feet and drinks a rum or something. The girls from the ghetto, for love of their country (in our example, that sad ghetto) pick John up forcibly, sit him down at the table next to mine and curl
11:10 mircea_popescu at his feet, just like the other two. They're definitely not slavegirls, they have neither the training nor the skills nor in the end the needs or structure of that relationship, and no marble columns, no gardens where water sprinkles among the cypress nor artesian fountains springing forth marzipan await them at home, but instead the nude concrete walls, the [low class mass produced kitsch wallhanging stuff], the bedbug inf
11:10 mircea_popescu ested pressed shitboard nightstand. But indifferent to all these points, they play a role to support a theory : the theory that here too, in the assghetto of shit "we got fine stuff", and a John who, even if only four letters long, is still quite as great as any Mircea come from afar.
11:10 mircea_popescu Well, that's patriotism, the girls in this example show "love of their ghetto" and that's the thing upon which socialist Romania was built, if you're curious - a structure otherwise borrowed from Carlist Romania. Totul pentru patrie!"
11:10 asciilifeform in so far as i can tell from my pit, they only need usd, and only need it because of an elaborate chumpatron which encompasses ~everyone
11:10 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this happened once before, at the very least. americans used to go to yurp and buy "art" in the 1880s.
11:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nobody needs usd for any purpose ; nor does that ~everyone extend past your pit.
11:11 mircea_popescu i keep having to state this, my counter was barely 16 bits and so it overran. how many 65536 times did i say it already ?
11:11 asciilifeform then wtf is cn doing shipping anything to this here zimbabwe
11:11 asciilifeform they took too much lsd, or what
11:11 mircea_popescu same thing murican oil magnates bought in milano cca 1886.
11:12 mircea_popescu ~cunt, basically.
11:12 asciilifeform archaeological artifacts ?
11:12 mircea_popescu (no, not directly. but nevertheless)
11:12 mircea_popescu no. cunt.
11:12 asciilifeform who in his right mind would buy ~that~ in usa
11:12 mircea_popescu again - not the item per se.
11:12 mircea_popescu the item in conceptio.
11:12 asciilifeform how's that work
11:13 mircea_popescu suppose you're an alien unicorn being of pure energy and infinite capacity. and you go to hollywood.
11:13 mircea_popescu now in this situation, you have a number of possible avenues.
11:14 mircea_popescu 1. you kill anyone and everything that displeases you. this will coallesce the more competent cunts around you, and unite the idiots against you. let's call it the swift scenario, for you're creating a confederacy of dounces.
11:15 mircea_popescu 2. you invest in all the studios, and let them manage it. this will coallesce into a situation where you're "loved" in the particular way the mob loves. let's call it the marc anthony situation, why the hell not. you'll die at their hands, eventually, somehow. that's their love.
11:16 mircea_popescu 3. you create a major alien studio out of shit from the spaceship. this reduces to either 1 or 2 ; generally the mob will fluctuate and undulate and try to fuzz you out, see which of the two reductions works best for them.
11:16 mircea_popescu 3. you BUY all the studios, take them apart, and reform a large alien studio out of the parts. this is the end. hollywood will no longer mean anything to anyone outside of what it means to you.
11:16 mircea_popescu so... cunt. in this sense.
11:17 asciilifeform that last one is ~same as what soros et al tried to do to ru
11:17 asciilifeform what was the result ?
11:18 BingoBoingo In other news the popular press is referring to the company that invented the LED as a "seeds" company. Not even a chemical company anymore. Just a Burpee catalog with higher profit margins.
11:19 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the monsanto that invented led lives in the same place as atari
11:19 mircea_popescu asciilifeform hey, the premise is not to be violated. when the fuck did soros become that powerful.
11:19 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: no trace of it remains
11:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not so much power required, you said yourself, ru was cheap at the time
11:20 BingoBoingo There's prolly a shed frull of cremains somewhere.
11:20 mircea_popescu infinite capacity means, first and foremost, an infinite capacity for erection.
11:20 mircea_popescu something very close to what tmsr demonstrates on a daily basis when "hey, here's a hole, who wants to fuck it" gets a hot rod ramming it within the day.
11:20 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the premise said "of infinite power".
11:21 mircea_popescu to imagine that a horse in the barn requires a man to steal, but the same horse out in the field "is not so strongly owned so even a toad could steal it" is nonsense.
11:21 mircea_popescu you're stealing the thing you're stealing, not its meaning to some arbitrarily chosen party. cunt is cunt and stays cunt, even if currently in a bored, tedious marriage.
11:21 asciilifeform i'd like to know where in usa is the horse.
11:21 asciilifeform i.e. the hidden, still-valuable thing worth taking.
11:22 mircea_popescu cunt.
11:23 mircea_popescu it's not hidden, and it's not valuable. it's just there.
11:23 asciilifeform i could even see cn 'we shall bulldoze north american for liebensraum!1111' or the like
11:24 asciilifeform but the contents ?!
11:24 mircea_popescu well, before buldozing you take the contents out right ?
11:24 mircea_popescu less opposition to buldozing an empty frame structure than a "our home".
11:25 mircea_popescu but the discussion mayn't reduce to this. mere lateral example.
11:25 asciilifeform whatever's worth taking before pounding flat
11:25 mircea_popescu no. whatever's perhaps meaningful to someone somewhere.
11:25 mircea_popescu there is no such thing as "worth" and "value" like you keep advancing them. there's only meaning.
11:25 asciilifeform the italian painting example actually rings a bell
11:25 asciilifeform recall usa pumping out the ru maths, physics, etc folks ?
11:26 asciilifeform for ~no good reason~
11:26 asciilifeform just to set them up with taxi in nyc
11:26 asciilifeform i always saw it as a 'deny them to the enemy' thing but possibly it was really the italian thing ?
11:26 mircea_popescu value is merely an arbitrary, coincidental property of meaning. they stand in a relation similar to the relation the question "what;s the sun's value to us" stands with the question "what's the sun's meaning for us".
11:27 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i believe it was really the italian thing ; except in a larger system composed of (individual-su space) vs (individual-us space)
11:27 asciilifeform i was speaking of a very concrete notion of value - that is, to the taker
11:27 asciilifeform a meth-head who steals a broken alarm clock - to him it is valuable.
11:27 mircea_popescu ie, the INDIVIDUAL as a "us item", aspirationally ; denied the "su item" as a projection of his own, himself.
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11:29 asciilifeform there is also 'steal first, fence later'
11:29 mircea_popescu yes, and that'd be the obviosu construction, but i'm unpersuaded. it dun fit.
11:29 asciilifeform it fit in a few cases known to me
11:29 asciilifeform (folks shipped over, milked for a spell of what they knew, then cut loose)
11:30 shinohai Get ready for chimpout as Officer Edward Nero din do nuffin'
11:30 mircea_popescu anyway, to make that obscurity clearer : sentence structure is agent - verb - object - 2nd object. agent denies to x y. the agent = the INDIVIDUAL as a "us item", aspirationally ; the verb = denied ; the object = himself. "the "su item" as a projection of his own" is a third party, 2nd object.
11:32 asciilifeform shinohai: wat
11:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform understand that this image "emptied, cut loose" is entirely nonsensical. knowledge is not a substance to be filled with or emptied of.
11:35 asciilifeform 'emptied', to somebody running agents, is sort of same as empty applied to bottle of vodka - yes, '40 drops rule', you can keep shaking it and get >0 output almost asymptotically infinitely - but at some point the expense of the effort is > yield
11:36 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> shinohai: wat << Baltimore cop cleared of all charges. "Black Spring" incoming to James Lafond Presents Baltimore
11:37 mircea_popescu no, looky. if the case is that the knowledge vessel was a jwz, which is to say all juice no politics, then the truthful rendition of the situation is, that the knowledge in question was removed from its unstable situation, to a more sensible one. otherwise, if the vessel in question is a balanced construction, the attempts to "remove" run into the age old "nsa can't hold bitcoin and stay nsa" issue as discussed in the logs.
11:37 mircea_popescu now, i can appreciate you personally wish to look at things in this "management doesn't matter and doesn't exist, so no difference should be made between gasteropode and man", but this is really nonsense. there is such difference, and it's called a spine.
11:37 asciilifeform the example currently in my head is the ru nuke detonator bloke
11:39 mircea_popescu who ?
11:39 asciilifeform he is in the l0gz...
11:39 asciilifeform damn
11:39 mircea_popescu now so is she : http://67.media.tumblr.com/f9572b46436c5b017d74d800a261fda4/tumblr_mlf1themP61rw4i4so1_1280.jpg
11:39 asciilifeform the one sent to ir with doctored schematics, which he 'helpfully' fixed en route
11:40 mircea_popescu ah i recall this. ok, what of him ?
11:42 asciilifeform taken to usa, and milked, and eventually handlers concluded 'useless, what we have >= what he has, on all subj'
11:42 mircea_popescu so then what do oyu mean by "milked" ?
11:42 mircea_popescu "allowed to post on reddit all day for a spell" ?
11:42 asciilifeform he: 'i need a job' usg: 'you will be mule to ir'
11:43 asciilifeform iirc there was a specific report of what milking consisted of - he was sent to los alamos and asked to design detonator for nuke, and told that it would be tried, and had better be of quality
11:43 mircea_popescu ok... ?
11:43 asciilifeform and when he had done this, the result was judged and the milking deemed concluded.
11:44 mircea_popescu in the sense of, yet another dude that failed his job interview, notwithstanding that he came "highly qualified" and "he had bills to pay". that ?
11:44 asciilifeform aha!
11:44 mircea_popescu so how is this milking, and if it is who's milking whom.
11:45 asciilifeform well the interesting bit, iirc, is that it was not 'job interview' in the customary sense, usg had no intention of actually using the fella in the stated capacity, they simply wanted a plausible-looking piece of shit to 'hangout leak' to ir. so they took his, and munged the component values for good measure
11:45 mircea_popescu how do you know what intention employer had ?
11:45 asciilifeform and sent him (why? ask them , not me) to deliver the schems
11:46 mircea_popescu the courts of common pleas are full of this inept bullshit, usually dudette with absolutely nothing going for her argues that "company allowed her to interview to steal her ideas and give them to X team of theirs".
11:46 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: recall, this turned into a disastrous scandal, when (quite plausibly, and with much courtroom wankery to follow) was leaked.
11:46 mircea_popescu fortunatelly they moved on to "sexual soimething or the other" now.
11:46 mircea_popescu but the whole nonsense is wholly predicated on the inner self-representatons of an intellect divorced from reality for a long while.
11:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform aha, how it usually works, the dudette then goes to the inept-woman-chorus and they wail for a while.
11:47 mircea_popescu at least until something happens on tv, or w/e.
11:47 asciilifeform recall, it was the opposite
11:47 asciilifeform (usg went to whine)
11:47 mircea_popescu hm ?
11:47 * asciilifeform digs futilely in l0gz for the story
11:48 mircea_popescu we might be tlking of diff guys.
11:48 asciilifeform the detonator guy
11:48 mircea_popescu these are the "partners" that went to russia in the end neh ?
11:48 asciilifeform neh, it was 1 guy
11:48 mircea_popescu hm.
11:50 mircea_popescu meanwhile, http://66.media.tumblr.com/d8e7df1dedc37017a0057f9527e0c556/tumblr_n1u6yuDsx21rmm9buo1_1280.jpg
11:50 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-29#997014 << thread.
11:50 a111 Logged on 2015-01-29 06:08 asciilifeform: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/jurors-tell-judge-they-cant-agree-in-cia-leak-trial-of-jeffrey-sterling/2015/01/26/db819f78-a57c-11e4-a7c2-03d37af98440_story.html?tid=hybrid_alt1_strip_1
11:50 asciilifeform article concerned a 'leak trial'
11:50 mircea_popescu uh
11:51 asciilifeform and usg somehow forced to cough up exhibits of what was leaked
11:51 mircea_popescu iirc that was a conviction neh ?
11:51 asciilifeform ^ whole thread under link.
11:51 asciilifeform iirc it was
11:51 mircea_popescu ah, i thought this was 70s, wtf 2015 recent events.
11:51 mircea_popescu i don't even count this sort of shit, for all you know it's a movie trailer.
11:52 asciilifeform the scam itself was circa '90s
11:52 mircea_popescu i recall now, the supposed.... whatever the fuck it was, bizarro clinton thing with iran. almost exactly the same quality of secret service work as the "saddam has wmds" thing.
11:53 mircea_popescu among other incredibly lulzy points : the guy's salary was ~60k a year.
11:53 mircea_popescu for a nuclear physicist risking his neck. fancy that!
11:53 asciilifeform orcs dun make market rate
11:54 asciilifeform why would they.
11:54 mircea_popescu eh gtfo.
11:54 mircea_popescu someone who has even an inkling of a chance of getting within 1% of succeeding here, doesn't need your piddly "what barrista makes" income.
11:54 asciilifeform plenty of ru defectors sold far bigger things for far less
11:55 asciilifeform what's the man gonna do if he decides 60k is chump change ? defect to zimbabwe instead ?
11:55 mircea_popescu dude. a) 2015 ; b) things, not own asshole ; c) you pay 60k a year you get exactly what you paid for, lmao.
11:55 mircea_popescu the whole idiocy of this construction - so the iranians were not going to compare the designs with other designs ?
11:55 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if we're still speaking of the same man, the thing played out in 1990s
11:56 mircea_popescu i don't put any stock in this story.
11:56 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: usg has this 'orcs are dumb' thing going. and isn't even always wrong - e.g., winblowz at natanz centrifuge plant
11:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform "operation merlin" was one of the countless usg ss blunders cca 1998 ; it actually did something cca 2001 ; described in a 2010 book, for which some black dude was sentenced to jail in 2015.
11:57 asciilifeform (or more recently, raghead general helpfully snapping selfie with ipnohe and uploading own coordinates to nsa)
11:58 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha, that
11:58 mircea_popescu these are unrelated matters.
11:58 mircea_popescu $google wen ho lee
11:58 deedbot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wen_Ho_Lee << Wen Ho Lee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://www.wenholee.org/ << WenHoLee.org | | http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/04/us/the-making-of-a-suspect-the-case-of-wen-ho-lee.html?pagewanted=all << The Making of a Suspect - The Case of Wen Ho Lee - NYTimes.com
11:58 mircea_popescu ^ equally lulzy case. accused of things, govt failed to prove ; eventually they settled, guy got 1.6mn out of the deal.
11:58 mircea_popescu A LOT MORE than 50k a year. right ?
11:59 asciilifeform pretty much everyone knows of wen ho lee
11:59 mircea_popescu incidentally, J.A. Parker's apology / trashing of the da should be mandatory reading for anyone on this "usg can do things in its own courts" tack.
12:00 asciilifeform http://www.wenholee.org << l0l!!!
12:01 * asciilifeform had nfi this existed
12:01 mircea_popescu heh.
12:01 mircea_popescu "everyone knows" etc. anyway : the sterling dude had his discrimination suit thrown out of court because "sikrits". much more interesting angle than all the rest - where's the limit of "human rights" ?
12:02 mircea_popescu ie, what if the black dude were a white blond girl claiming rape ?
12:02 asciilifeform well recall, i recently learned that nsa has blanket license to piss on 'equal employment' crapolade
12:02 mircea_popescu this is prollypart of why
12:02 asciilifeform sikrits works great
12:02 asciilifeform for this.
12:04 mircea_popescu anyway, i feel dumber for having dug up into the unfunny pit of usg-ian unintentional comedy. was there a point to this excursion ?
12:04 asciilifeform was re 'stealing people for the sake of stealing'
12:04 asciilifeform or somethinglikethat
12:05 mircea_popescu i lend no credence to the theory.
12:07 asciilifeform alternative would be what..? that everyone was stolen with a clear purpose ?
12:08 mircea_popescu look - the blunders of usg post taliban beheading in 2001 are not more meaningful nor worthy of investigation in the direct sense than the movement of a salted snail. so i don't admit that whatever post 2001 example of behaviour or anecdotal poit of evidence may be used as part of a larger construction of ideas.
12:08 mircea_popescu and on the other hand, i don't admit that 'stealing people for the sake of stealing', whatever may mean, is either related to what we were discussing or a useful method to approach the subject matter we were discussing.
12:08 asciilifeform collecting su defectors was very much a pre-2001 thing
12:09 mircea_popescu my thinking is that this is a passive thing - the usg wasn't collecting them more than the sewer collects pearl necklaces.
12:09 mircea_popescu the us was just there.
12:09 asciilifeform and i have nfi what the motivation for vacuuming up most of the relevant folk, was. my entire point was that the motivation remains, to me, a mystery.
12:09 mircea_popescu the collecting of defectors, as a perceived phenomena, is imo best explained by the internal duality of the very defectors in question, fighting with their own demons.
12:10 asciilifeform this, doubtlessly
12:10 asciilifeform is the only ~reasonable hypothesis i know of for most of it.
12:10 mircea_popescu hence http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-23#1470831
12:10 a111 Logged on 2016-05-23 15:27 mircea_popescu: ie, the INDIVIDUAL as a "us item", aspirationally ; denied the "su item" as a projection of his own, himself.
12:11 mircea_popescu no recognizable "us" exists in the process, except if one's so culturally acclimated in the 1990s su mentality as to be able to reconstruct the world in their eyes.
12:13 asciilifeform hirin' folx away in order to kill something is very much a thing that exists, tho. consider what, e.g., microshit, did to borland.
12:14 mircea_popescu surely ; but you know what trotsky tried to do to whatever party ?
12:15 mircea_popescu there is this derpy episode when he wrote to some french wing to dissolve and go join whatever local socialists ; the plan "succeeded" because they were kicked out but when they got kicked out there were 300 of them, so SICK GAINZ!
12:15 asciilifeform obviously the larger snake eats the smaller, not vice versa
12:15 mircea_popescu the larger cow also eats the prions.
12:15 asciilifeform sure.
12:15 mircea_popescu this first level, mechanical approach to things isn't going to yield much.
12:15 mircea_popescu do you know how many girls ate me to date ?
12:16 mircea_popescu btw, do you know the joke with the angora rabbit at the brothel ?
12:16 asciilifeform hm?
12:16 mircea_popescu angora rabbit goes to brothel. he asks for a blowjob
12:16 mircea_popescu from a boa constrictor.
12:16 mircea_popescu so first borthel is like gtfo, it'll eat you and who's gonna pay ?
12:17 mircea_popescu eventually he finds some people willing to do it. so they put the little rabbit in a room with this eighteen foot monster of a snake
12:17 mircea_popescu which proceeds to swallow it hole.
12:17 mircea_popescu but fucking angora rabbit you know, all that fur, doesn't sit well with the snake
12:18 mircea_popescu so moments later the boa spits it out, and the rabbit goes flying over a large arc quarter mile wide
12:18 mircea_popescu and as he's hurling through the air, his doppler-effected voice can be heard going "now that's what i caaall a blooowjoooobbbb"
12:18 asciilifeform l0l!
12:23 mircea_popescu and in other mechanic's news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9mojeF5Nt1qmqccso1_1280.jpg
12:23 asciilifeform ^ glorious
12:25 mircea_popescu if porn weren't so fucking dead, i might be making some avantgarde anatomy explorations. such as the female stairwell.
12:26 asciilifeform stairwell?
12:26 mircea_popescu (tie womenz to stairwell, connect one's urethral intubation to the one below's laringeal intubation. pour cider in the mouthpipe of the topmost one)
12:26 asciilifeform ah hm
12:26 asciilifeform as per 'human centipede'
12:26 mircea_popescu measure creatinine clearance per intervals, send for publication to medical journals.
12:27 asciilifeform gandhi's zombie approves
12:27 mircea_popescu and yes, would work with colon hydration also.
12:27 asciilifeform $s morarji cola
12:27 asciilifeform damn
12:27 asciilifeform ;;google morarji cola
12:27 gribble Error: We broke The Google!
12:27 asciilifeform wtf
12:28 mircea_popescu actually i suppose one should be a darling and a) add VR headests to the girls and b) add lsd at the top.
12:28 asciilifeform what'll the headsets do
12:28 mircea_popescu then you could do various brainscan-to-vr combinations, and publish as "artificial intelligence" also
12:28 asciilifeform more interesting than ~100% of modern day academe.
12:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform im thinking bayesian "rule system" / markov chains based off the next girl's brain wavery./
12:28 mircea_popescu ikr.
12:29 mircea_popescu i'd make a pretty decent concentration camp doctor.
12:29 mircea_popescu i suppose in a sense i already DO make a ... hm...
12:29 asciilifeform lelz
12:29 mircea_popescu nuts.
12:29 asciilifeform speaking of, if i lived in s america, i would definitely try to at least sneak a peek at the german villages
12:30 asciilifeform has mircea_popescu ?
12:30 mircea_popescu nope. and they also have german villages in romania, fwiw.
12:30 asciilifeform in ro they aren't a '40s creation are they
12:30 mircea_popescu 1740.
12:30 asciilifeform aha like in ru
12:30 mircea_popescu just about ya
12:30 asciilifeform we are thinking of diff germans.
12:31 mircea_popescu is there such a thing ?
12:31 asciilifeform in south a, they are presumably descendants of ww2 folx
12:31 mircea_popescu eh.
12:32 mircea_popescu and the people in cincinnati are descendents of the roman republic.
12:32 mircea_popescu fun fact : there was such a thing as "transylvania" in the old us ; attested for instance in the "transylvania purchase".
12:33 asciilifeform there is a rome and even odessa in usa.
12:33 asciilifeform what of these.
12:33 mircea_popescu ~same relation i'd say.
12:37 mircea_popescu ;;seen adlai
12:37 gribble adlai was last seen in #trilema 3 weeks, 0 days, 7 hours, 16 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <adlai> either 60 "random" words have nothing to do with my life, or my basal ganglia are still swimming in lsd.
12:37 mircea_popescu was that fellow actually under psychiatric treatment etc ?
12:38 asciilifeform he got checked into asylum 2nd time 'properly' iirc.
12:39 mircea_popescu nuts.
12:46 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
12:46 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 441.94, vol: 3410.56096264 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 443.512, vol: 7262.61157 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 441.5, vol: 8813.625408669999 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 447.572748, vol: 20098.54120000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 441.72, vol: 3618.27114458 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 444.649821, vol: 47.59460491 | Volume-weighted last average: 444.716380484
12:46 BingoBoingo http://oglaf.com/offering/
12:47 mircea_popescu oh boy, that 2nd panel ? totally. my currenlty favourite fucking position.
12:47 mircea_popescu "grab your ankles"
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15:20 shinohai From node logs >>> /SatoshisBitcoinFullFork_PublicTest_At403562:0.11.2/ │ ec2-52-26-216-37.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com (52.26.216.37)
15:21 asciilifeform shinohai: old nyooz
15:21 asciilifeform shinohai: i suspect it was the craig whateverthefuck phork
15:22 shinohai I just haen't seen it pop up in a long time
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15:41 deedbot [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Beech. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/23/beech/
15:49 solrodar $unrate mircea_popescu
15:49 deedbot Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/f623b9ff-468f-4d71-acbc-8cbe60795ed3/
15:49 solrodar $v 01425D8479D4F3408FE4D359CAD07A0FA5C8057E90A196D3368974FF961E26BF
15:49 deedbot solrodar unrated mircea_popescu.
15:54 asciilifeform solrodar: gonna send back the prize money ?
15:55 solrodar prize? that was payment for work performed.
15:56 solrodar and more significantly, the guy made me think about new things for a year or so
15:56 solrodar which is why I'm not rating negatively
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17:45 mircea_popescu lol wut.
17:46 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: output of massive wank on old #ba
17:46 mircea_popescu ah. w/e.
17:46 asciilifeform safe to sleep through.
17:47 asciilifeform kako's become ~indistinguishable from artful usg agent.
17:47 asciilifeform worked hard to put his face in front of mircea_popescu's fist, and now 'aggrieved victim'
17:47 mircea_popescu i'm trying to recall who the guy is/was.
17:48 asciilifeform i thought mircea_popescu didn't drink vodka
17:48 mircea_popescu ah ah with the callgraph stuff. ie what phf ended up doing himself ?
17:48 asciilifeform nope
17:48 asciilifeform it was the trb source callgraph
17:49 asciilifeform with the function flow
17:49 mircea_popescu ah right.
17:49 asciilifeform solrodar produced it, but it was unreadable
17:49 mircea_popescu well whatever, outreach doesn't ALWAYS work.
17:49 asciilifeform i proclaimed that it is not his fault tho, and that the graph is an intrinsic ball of yarn.
17:49 mircea_popescu yes i recall.
17:49 asciilifeform then he mostly vanished until the bbet warz.
17:55 asciilifeform i still wish i knew why mircea_popescu gave kakobrekla a claw hammer with which the latter will work for years trying to pry off anything insufficiently nailed down in tmsr.
17:55 asciilifeform imho it was a bad move.
17:56 asciilifeform could have just as easily sent the man off with the coin but no hammer.
17:56 mircea_popescu eh, it's the nature of the job, let the man work himself sore. gotta earn one's keep for once in his fucking life neh ?
17:56 mircea_popescu go around derping, who knows, maybe someone buys it. and if they do - all the better, for everyone involved.
17:56 mircea_popescu why should i want the esteem of "the general public" / solrodar / whatever.
17:57 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: respectable folk are quietly asking, 'why did he do it'
17:59 mircea_popescu same reason bartender eventually goes "you're drunk, go home".
17:59 mircea_popescu what, "oh no, someone bought me a drink here once, i now own the place" or somesuch ?
17:59 asciilifeform bartender doesn't normally send drunk home without his moneyz ?
17:59 mircea_popescu the drunk's claims as to "his moneys" are of interest perhaps to the other drunks.
18:00 asciilifeform fella's been sayin', to anyone who will listen, that he did not get what was owed to him by contract.
18:00 mircea_popescu but anyway, in general and unrelatedly, this consumerist notion that "oh, i have rights" has very little weight in wot terms. shit in your relationships, good luck with your "rights".
18:01 mircea_popescu fella has been saying versions of this since february, and got shown to have actually lied in the discovery process, to the syndic, for a profit motive.
18:01 asciilifeform that was my reading thus far. fist, face.
18:01 asciilifeform where was this
18:01 asciilifeform i missed ?
18:02 mircea_popescu well yes, you missed. because when a shithead tries to steal from me it's not news. but when a shithead lies about the reverse, your ears perk up.
18:02 mircea_popescu anyway, it's public, review the process to your satisfaction.
18:02 asciilifeform http://fr.anco.is/2016/bitbet-proposed-settlement-transaction << this one ?
18:02 mircea_popescu among others, the one where he wanted to get the proceeds of the house bets as free money.
18:03 asciilifeform hm
18:03 mircea_popescu but in general, the whole fucking exercise was a lengthy, tedious story of "gimme".
18:03 * asciilifeform digs.
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18:03 asciilifeform i thought kako was sitting on a tall pile of earlyadoptronium and didn't need moneyz
18:03 mircea_popescu whatever.
18:16 mircea_popescu in other lolz, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIclidm9nug
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19:17 deedbot [Trilema] Tropic Thunder - http://trilema.com/2016/tropic-thunder/
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20:33 mircea_popescu hey mike_c what's the outlook on btcalpha update ?
20:34 shinohai ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/Ky9 may need lots of work though, send back for rewrite if necessary
20:34 gribble The operation succeeded.
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22:27 asciilifeform ;;later tell BingoBoingo lulzy, https://www.ebay.com/itm/191863243899
22:27 gribble The operation succeeded.
22:29 asciilifeform ^ sorta how i imagine mircea_popescu's pgp laptop to look like.
22:30 BingoBoingo shinohai: rewrite, add links to prior qntra
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22:37 BingoBoingo $up funkenstein_
22:37 deedbot funkenstein_ voiced for 30 minutes.
22:44 BingoBoingo Ah, the news I was waiting for http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4462
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22:49 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
22:49 gribble Current Blocks: 413163 | Current Difficulty: 1.9425482028344403E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 413279 | Next Difficulty In: 116 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 16 hours, 34 minutes, and 17 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
22:50 funkenstein_ ty BingoBoingo
22:51 funkenstein_ mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/034JCC9
22:52 asciilifeform l0l! cop didn't even shoot this one...
22:52 BingoBoingo notable: bench trial!
22:55 funkenstein_ Lafond: "who cares about the details of the case, lets discuss the melination of those involved"
22:57 funkenstein_ "Nero is white and Porter is black. " <-- they reference no measurements of epidermal albedo. how disappointing, we find that such an important detail
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22:58 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: re earlier link, http://www.oldcomputers.net/grid1101.html
22:58 deedbot [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Wrip Wrap. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/23/wrip-wrap/
22:58 mod6 sup
23:04 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Sweet
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23:57 BingoBoingo https://archive.is/48QZf
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