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00:13 mod6 well, I've got tbot now checking if a person is in L1, and if they are currently voiced before it'll answer commands: http://dpaste.com/3GA9QJJ.txt
00:14 mod6 so that's a start
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06:48 shinohai http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471093 <<< nifty ping me plox if you are testing later
06:48 a111 Logged on 2016-05-24 04:13 mod6: well, I've got tbot now checking if a person is in L1, and if they are currently voiced before it'll answer commands: http://dpaste.com/3GA9QJJ.txt
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07:24 shinohai http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471076 <<< Will do in a bit, wrote last night before bed so ....
07:24 a111 Logged on 2016-05-24 02:30 BingoBoingo: shinohai: rewrite, add links to prior qntra
07:25 mircea_popescu ;;later tell funkenstein_ plox liquidate and send proceeds - your fee to 1JPvucRfu3ZzEvfBUQTJwsxMrZjeTqD6zR thanks.
07:25 gribble The operation succeeded.
07:25 mircea_popescu so here's a question/job for any ai/machine reading afficionados :
07:26 mircea_popescu currently, trilema title redirects one if clicked ot a random (english language) article. what i'd want it to do is to redirect one to a randomly chosen ~related~ article.
07:26 mircea_popescu how do you establish relatedness of texts 500-1k words long out of a list of thousands ?
07:27 mircea_popescu an' in morning news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/6e4945b5fcff01f31591c2c1e1229015/tumblr_mxeqm89D5p1s7wncoo1_500.gif
07:30 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471087 << this isn't even an idle consideration as all that.
07:30 a111 Logged on 2016-05-24 02:57 funkenstein_: "Nero is white and Porter is black. " <-- they reference no measurements of epidermal albedo. how disappointing, we find that such an important detail
07:31 mircea_popescu a large factor that collapsed "the quaint institution" (from the pov of the insiders, mind, who cares what foreigners think) was the sheer inability of distinguishing at the edges. "why is this white man black ?" "book sez so"
07:33 mircea_popescu generally, linking societal preeminence to phenotype has the major disadvantage that men (and no, NOT women, as the claim is currently fashionable among wanna-be republicans without the republic) broadly prefer to fuck socially inferior women.
07:33 Framedragger mircea_popescu: friend actually wrote is masters thesis on this iirc (not that you care about appeals to bureaucracy, i know) on this, i can later check for linx. new shit in town is compositional distributional models of semantics. see http://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/activities/compdistmeaning/ - also i can dig up our application for funding for doing what you want to do i think :D
07:33 mircea_popescu in fact the historical justification for broad female slavery is that the sex is better that way.
07:34 mircea_popescu Framedragger ehehehe i'd read what you dig up, so by all means.
07:35 Framedragger lol @ title on that cs.ox page "meets quantum info flow".. it's just that they use cool shit from category theory, tensors, etc.. but need to be careful not to be drawn into believing a priori what the people in the tower say
07:35 mircea_popescu wtf is with this "quantum" shit anyway.
07:35 mircea_popescu us stem edu went to udder crap.
07:36 mircea_popescu QUANTUM JUST MEANS DISCRETE MOTHERFUCKERS!
07:36 Framedragger dis not US (well but effectively US, yea)
07:36 mircea_popescu damned town population is a QUANTUM VARIABLE!
07:36 mircea_popescu uuuuu "i fucking love science, look at all deze galaxy catpictures"
07:36 mircea_popescu idiots.
07:37 mircea_popescu wtf is "quantum info flow" supposed to even be ? what random exotic property of subatomic scale did they arbitrarily decide to use the wrong word for ? is it lorenzian flow, ie, if you face it head on you discover there's really not that much, for it somehow contracts, whereas from aside it seemed like there's a lot ? i noticed this property!
07:38 Framedragger some time ago upon enquiring on his work i was told to read http://anthology.aclweb.org/J/J15/J15-1004.pdf and http://nlp.stanford.edu/projects/natlog.shtml but i can't recommend in good faith, for i haven't read myself. nevertheless should be relevant stuff. but not at implementation-ready-to-use-level...
07:38 mircea_popescu or maybe it's schroedingerian flow, ie, it's only there if you don't look. like social media utility.
07:39 mircea_popescu or maybe something something relativistic something ? another word they raped with the flaming globes of zigmund.
07:39 mircea_popescu Framedragger ima skip the pdf for want of a blowtorch, but lessee the other.
07:40 mircea_popescu (ftr my idea was to enumerate all words that appear more than once less than a dozen times in the whole article body, then consider "related" articles which diverge from the average in the same way on the same words, with arbitrary cut-offs. none of which is anything but 1800 tech)
07:41 mircea_popescu Framedragger omfg tell your friend to not use dead three letters, such as "NLP" in grant applications. suicide pact what.
07:41 mircea_popescu check this shit out omg, they're "taking it back" http://nlp.stanford.edu/static/img/logos/nlp-logo-small.gif
07:42 Framedragger heheh.. natural language folks actually employ NLP all the time, though it's become a bit of a catch-all shitty acronym, like A.I.
07:42 mircea_popescu mandatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWdVwt2deY4
07:43 mircea_popescu Framedragger except anyone with money remembers it as "neuro linguistic programming"
07:43 mircea_popescu you know, how to pick up sluts in the 80s
07:43 Framedragger anyone with money, rly?
07:43 Framedragger yeahyeah meknows the other reference
07:43 Framedragger hm
07:44 Framedragger all in academic circles (i can hear our snort from here heh:D ) resolve it to the other reference, mind you
07:44 mircea_popescu well, maybe not mathematiclaly "any", but...
07:44 Framedragger *your
07:44 mircea_popescu i dun think so.
07:45 Framedragger yeah you know what, re. your idea, this is shit overwhelming, i'd also start with what you had in mind.. and think of simple markov models, etc.
07:45 Framedragger /me off for the time being
07:47 mircea_popescu fucking academia. in the rare cases they have a sane link, it's because they couldn't link to a list of pdfs from within their excel spreadsheet.
07:47 Framedragger p.s. so you don't read PDFs out of principle/security? i hear you.. but now i want to write some simple on-demand pdf to html converter just so i can send you goddamn PDFs to look at
07:49 shinohai bwahaha BingoBoingo forbes just now writing about gatecoingate http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertolsen/2016/05/24/hackers-steal-2-million-from-bitcoin-exchange-in-hong-kong-bounty-offered-to-recover-funds/
07:49 shinohai Eleven days after Qntra'd
07:50 mircea_popescu Framedragger asciilifeform had some sort of convertor either.
07:51 mircea_popescu but i don't read them out of principle, yeah. nothing to do with security per se, it's all political. in general i don't wish to encourage adobe ("oh, we couldn't do without them" bullshit, it's exactly the "Social media network effect matters" sole argument of usg it corporatardia) and in particular i don't think very much of what someone who expresses themselves in pdf might think or say. much like i wouldn't have read nigg
07:51 mircea_popescu er speech in 1750, because who the fuck cares what some voodoo practitioners think of any topic whatsoever.
07:52 mircea_popescu except bureaucrat is the new nigger.
07:52 shinohai http://linux.die.net/man/1/pdftohtml <<< worx
07:55 Framedragger mircea_popescu: but this means you preemptively dismiss, say (as an offhand example), lotsa mathematicians who put their stuff as preprints on arXiv and the likes. (generated with free software and renderable with free software (but, yes, using a shitty proprietary-wannabe format nonetheless))
07:55 mircea_popescu sane math people use tex.
07:55 mircea_popescu seriously, someone who uses pdf is a mathematician in the sense condolezza rice was an expert and obama a nobel prize winner.
07:57 Framedragger ..and then they render to pdf. but yeah good people also link to tex source on their websites, true..
07:58 mircea_popescu like the guy was asking yest "am i still welcome here", what the fuck do i care what they do to it. they can take the thing and put it through a leetspeak converter for all i care, what diff does it make.
07:59 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo so lisa dib is some strange aussie who is too fat to fuck dudes but discovered dogs don't mind. so she;s given up on dating and moved on to kennel life. good for her!
08:01 mircea_popescu "I’m all for filth but on my terms, bucko." << they can't quite figure it out lol. the ~only~ "on my terms" woman gets is if her terms happen to (silently!) coincide. otherwise... it's the dogs.
08:01 Framedragger shinohai: ah nice, should have known, worth a check thanks!
08:01 Framedragger /me really off nao
08:01 mircea_popescu later
08:01 shinohai it's pretty decent for lazy use.
08:01 shinohai lol
08:04 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471079 << so in the end ... the police gang fucked over the black gang. ok.... ?
08:04 a111 Logged on 2016-05-24 02:44 BingoBoingo: Ah, the news I was waiting for http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4462
08:05 mircea_popescu ;;later tell pete_dushenski wait, you had a PANDA baby ?!
08:05 gribble The operation succeeded.
08:05 mircea_popescu the shit they do in canada i swear.
08:05 mircea_popescu and then the way they spring it on you, too, you know, like it's the most natural thing in the world.
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08:45 deedbot [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 904359116964408528249771 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Shingondo <shingondo@shingondo.org>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/010E565743AC6268C327A10B9AEB8895E66ED05F3931E9B54673500CD5B5CA76
08:49 shinohai shingondo lol
08:56 mircea_popescu $up funkenstein_
08:56 deedbot funkenstein_ voiced for 30 minutes.
08:56 mircea_popescu you can self-up can't you ?
08:56 funkenstein_ too short :)
08:56 mircea_popescu lmao
08:57 mircea_popescu o look at that phuctoring. so asciilifeform here's my wonderment : 904359116964408528249771 includes 3. it therefore can't be the result of 8ball extension. so why does it pop now, i thought mutual factorization of moduli was complete ?
09:00 funkenstein_ liquidation complete, lemme know if I can be of further service
09:01 mircea_popescu o.O what, you worked that acct pro bono ?
09:02 funkenstein_ pro bono yup
09:02 mircea_popescu danke!
09:03 funkenstein_ bitte
09:03 funkenstein_ http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471115 <-- 100% agree
09:03 a111 Logged on 2016-05-24 11:36 mircea_popescu: QUANTUM JUST MEANS DISCRETE MOTHERFUCKERS!
09:03 funkenstein_ http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471110 <-- 100% disagree
09:03 a111 Logged on 2016-05-24 11:33 mircea_popescu: in fact the historical justification for broad female slavery is that the sex is better that way.
09:05 mircea_popescu with what exactly lol
09:08 funkenstein_ that anything could be more enjoyable when "slave"
09:08 mircea_popescu that's not germane is it ?
09:09 mircea_popescu "the historical justification for human sacrificing was the theory gods care" "i don't agree gods even exist" "Sooo ?"
09:10 funkenstein_ ah I see
09:10 mircea_popescu gotta watch that emotional response mr dwarf guy :)
09:10 funkenstein_ the justification for owning ethereum is that its better than bitcoin
09:11 funkenstein_ ok hehe
09:11 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471175 << wrong.
09:11 a111 Logged on 2016-05-24 12:57 mircea_popescu: o look at that phuctoring. so asciilifeform here's my wonderment : 904359116964408528249771 includes 3. it therefore can't be the result of 8ball extension. so why does it pop now, i thought mutual factorization of moduli was complete ?
09:11 mircea_popescu ok but which part lol
09:11 asciilifeform 3 * x, where x includes some new factor
09:12 asciilifeform think!
09:12 mircea_popescu you keep asking me to think. what, you think that's what missing, i never ran into someone telling me to do it ?
09:12 asciilifeform it's a gcd output
09:12 mircea_popescu i have, this sad mangled result is what comes out of me thinking.
09:12 mircea_popescu ok, but the gcd output of oh.
09:12 asciilifeform lelk
09:12 mircea_popescu aite :)
09:12 asciilifeform aha.
09:14 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471126 << the academitards had their entirely own nlp...
09:14 a111 Logged on 2016-05-24 11:41 mircea_popescu: Framedragger omfg tell your friend to not use dead three letters, such as "NLP" in grant applications. suicide pact what.
09:14 mircea_popescu 904359116964408528249771÷90194313237 = 10026786440383 ; 904359116964408528249771÷1612042960484901 = 561001871 ; 10026786440383÷561001871 = 17873
09:14 mircea_popescu it'd seem no new factor after all ?
09:14 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> "I’m all for filth but on my terms, bucko." << they can't quite figure it out lol. the ~only~ "on my terms" woman gets is if her terms happen to (silently!) coincide. otherwise... it's the dogs. << Seriously
09:15 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> ... << so in the end ... the police gang fucked over the black gang. ok.... ? << In court. Cop dude skipped a jury and had a judge try the case. A *black* judge!
09:16 mircea_popescu yes. so usg gang > black gang.
09:16 mircea_popescu ie, an individual usg black dude sided with the usg side.
09:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: how did you even conceive of dividing latest gcd by earlier. it does nothing useful
09:17 mircea_popescu i do random shit like that.
09:18 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well, gotta stir the pot if they are going to make a black spring happen in Baltimore
09:18 asciilifeform yer making a good case for massaging out the primez
09:18 mircea_popescu so the new factor is a composite of the old factors ; both of them
09:18 asciilifeform before displaying
09:18 mircea_popescu you don't think this peculiar ?
09:18 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: nope. exactly how 8ball worx
09:18 asciilifeform the only way it worx
09:18 mircea_popescu you'll have to explain this to me again, i just thought the 8ball is a product of primes up to x
09:19 asciilifeform aha
09:19 mircea_popescu so if the product of primes up to x shook out a composite that includes NO OTHER FACTORS than the primes already found through mutual gcd'ing of extant keys
09:19 BingoBoingo In other not quite news: Facebook is revamping how editors find trending stories. "We could not fully exclude the possibility of isolated improper actions or unintentional bias in the implementation of our guidelines or policies," Facebook general Counsel Colin Stretch wrote. Of course, Facebook is going to train the human editors who work on their trending section; they're also going to abandon several automated tools it used to find an
09:19 BingoBoingo d categorize trending news in the past. Recode provides some examples, writing, "[Facebook] will no longer use its "1K list," a group of 1,000 websites it used to help verify headlines." Facebook will also get rid of several top publications, including the New York Times and CNN.
09:19 mircea_popescu these primes must then be some pretty fuckingmagical primes, and not the result of rand seeding.
09:19 asciilifeform and if gcd was once p1*p2, and now it is p1*p2*p3
09:20 asciilifeform then!
09:20 mircea_popescu yes ?
09:21 asciilifeform and what's more, this is how random turd behaves (try it)
09:21 asciilifeform loads of tiny primez
09:22 mircea_popescu well yes, because the probability of 5 being a factor is 1/5 and of 17 1/17, so three times rarer.
09:22 asciilifeform prime num theorem, etc
09:22 mircea_popescu ima go shake out these three numbers now and see.
09:29 asciilifeform also i had dream with motherfucking ~kirschner~ in it
09:29 asciilifeform i blame you lot!11111
09:30 mircea_popescu ahahaha
09:30 mircea_popescu the fugly argentine ex president ?!
09:31 asciilifeform aha
09:31 asciilifeform who else.
09:33 mircea_popescu ok so here's the wonder asciilifeform :
09:36 mircea_popescu 904359116964408528249771 = 3*7*61*293*641*6700417*561001871 ; 1612042960484901 = 3*7*61*293*641*6700417 ; 90194313237 = 3*7*641*6700417
09:36 mircea_popescu so now : we found the extra prime, 561001871.
09:36 asciilifeform ^
09:37 mircea_popescu 3, 7, 61, 293 and 6700417 we knew from before.
09:37 mircea_popescu word.
09:37 asciilifeform prolly i oughta display primes, not gcds.
09:38 mircea_popescu mebbe. depends on the work involved.
09:43 BingoBoingo Reddit does landscaping https://archive.is/02C88
09:47 Framedragger ..i'm sorry to have to keep repeating myself, but i can't fucking resist: got another "abuse complaint" from www.cert.br; the entirety (non-snipped / non-excerpted) evidence it sites is (s/some_ip/[source_ip]): http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/4901af69-4295-411b-8bcb-84220a53b8b3/ - that's right, THREE PACKETS
09:47 Framedragger asciilifeform: is there some short write-up introducing phuctor? i see http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1331 and http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/theory - i want to provide a link to hosting providers to substantiate the "responsible netscanning" efforts (as naive as it sounds).
09:48 Framedragger *of its evidence ^
09:48 mircea_popescu there's a new faq page coming up, give it a day or two
09:48 Framedragger oh nice, awesome!
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11:24 asciilifeform in other lulz,
11:24 asciilifeform <kakobrekla> and yes there were bbet logs!
11:24 asciilifeform <kakobrekla> its how i implemented some of the anti-ddos features - need logs for that
11:27 shinohai ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/KKH
11:27 gribble The operation succeeded.
11:27 shinohai ^ Bruce Fenton lulz
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11:45 asciilifeform $up mp_at_olivos
11:45 deedbot mp_at_olivos voiced for 30 minutes.
11:45 mp_at_olivos danke!
11:45 asciilifeform when do we get mp_at_barriloche ?
11:45 mp_at_olivos lol someday!
11:45 asciilifeform i wanna see mp tour nazitown
11:46 asciilifeform at this rate the last german will croak there!1111
11:47 asciilifeform unless map lies to me, olivos is just the upper chunk of ba
11:48 mp_at_olivos something like that.
11:48 asciilifeform and here i was expecting some deserted island or spanish fort
11:48 * asciilifeform rockets off on small tour of BingoBoingolandia tonight
11:52 mp_at_olivos anyway, since i got a little time here, to round off the whole bitbet thing
11:52 mp_at_olivos the theory whereby "dead to me" is supposed to read "holds a substantial fraction of my assets" and "the difference between these two statements only appeared to me sometime late may, which is coincidentally months after the alleged causative event and also within minutes of channel discussion of the fabulous failure of the miner cartel love tap and subsequent attempts to cover it up" may be either partially false or entirely
11:52 mp_at_olivos the one thing it can´t be is actually true.
11:53 mp_at_olivos obviously, there´s a peculiar path through the lies we´re suggested to take as per the usual "modern democracy" or "science" or whatever the fuck,
11:53 mp_at_olivos but honestly the only thing that comes to mind looking at it is, how the fuck are all the fruits of the socialist tree always the same identical shit.
11:54 mp_at_olivos this could be "saddam has wmds!!11" for the same exact contortion value.
11:54 mp_at_olivos but this nonsense aside, the fact remains that as far as contracts are concerned, kakobrekla´s idea of bitbet wind down was for him to run off with the assets.
11:54 mp_at_olivos i forced a more equitable solution, by which everyone got paid, him included.
11:55 asciilifeform how could he lift the assets if mp was treasurer ?
11:55 asciilifeform (it would have to be by bamboozlement ?)
11:55 mp_at_olivos nevertheless, that solution does not provide him any indemnity for his idiotic behaviour. to my eyes the shareholders have decent claims for destruction of value against him,
11:55 mp_at_olivos and should they actually decide to pursue that, the 670 btc he made off with wouldn´t suffice to cover even the principal.
11:56 mp_at_olivos iirc bitbet traded easily 4x that, and of course there´ll be whatever fees there´ll be.
11:56 mp_at_olivos so in practical terms, he can´t treat that sum as anything but a risk provision, and in no case can proceed to spend it.
11:57 asciilifeform who's gonna pull it out of him ?
11:57 mp_at_olivos this practically means he´s bankrupt, and dealing with the bankrupt is always a risky proposition for the mindful businessman.
11:57 mp_at_olivos or, as the story goes, http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/
11:57 mp_at_olivos asciilifeform: i don´t know if anyone is or isn´t. but that´s besides the point.
11:58 asciilifeform iirc even pirate, sitting on the stake, never coughed up the coinz
11:58 mp_at_olivos business is what it is, by its own laws, not what derpy mc herperson "feels" it should be in his special pleaded case.
11:58 asciilifeform (because they were gone, likely)
11:58 mp_at_olivos likely. sure.
11:58 mp_at_olivos what´s that change.
11:59 asciilifeform simply that the man is likely laughing all the way to the fiatolade fountain with his 670.
11:59 mp_at_olivos http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471281 plain fraud, like anything else. this year sold shares to whatever buyers, next year burned the thing down. hurr.
11:59 a111 Logged on 2016-05-24 15:55 asciilifeform: how could he lift the assets if mp was treasurer ?
11:59 asciilifeform ah ru NEP style
11:59 mp_at_olivos yeah, well. for that matter mpex still has a claim against one harnett. as fate would have it, for a similar sum
12:00 mp_at_olivos that derp similarly tried to get a sort of confederacy of dounces going, in that i didn´t approve his version of events so he wouldn´t pay.
12:00 mp_at_olivos i´m ever so impressed to this date.
12:00 asciilifeform was that the bitvps kid ?
12:01 mp_at_olivos nah, "bitcoin banker" back in the days mp was stuck proving to the "community" of imbeciles that no.
12:01 asciilifeform ah him
12:01 mp_at_olivos ;;google patrick harnett
12:01 gribble Error: We broke The Google!
12:01 asciilifeform ^ methinks it's dead
12:01 mp_at_olivos heh. anyway.
12:01 mp_at_olivos stipid spanish keyboard, nothing´s where it should be.
12:02 asciilifeform woah mp on a heathen machine
12:02 mp_at_olivos hey, it´s what they have here. SOBERANIA NACIONAL!!!11
12:02 mp_at_olivos ergo keyboards must not work.
12:03 mp_at_olivos i had to copy-paste / out of urls to get it, otherwise who the fuck knows where it is
12:03 asciilifeform l0l!
12:03 Framedragger > indemnity for his idiotic behaviour
12:03 Framedragger mp_at_olivos: out of loop, but surely you mean more than one (unsigned) comment on a website?
12:04 mp_at_olivos http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471257 yaya i´msure.
12:04 a111 Logged on 2016-05-24 15:24 asciilifeform: <kakobrekla> and yes there were bbet logs!
12:04 asciilifeform recently i got my hands on a massive steel ibm terminal kbd. recently been sanding, repainting, it; and it had some lunatic layout without proper slash etc. i sawed controller out of it and replaced with new.
12:04 mp_at_olivos Framedragger: hm %
12:04 Framedragger you know, i'm not prepared to discuss it cause i'm out of my element here. i'll read more logs
12:04 mp_at_olivos asciilifeform: in a sane world i´d just keep my kbd layout on trilema and download into os wherever i need it. but no sane world.
12:05 asciilifeform aha.
12:05 mp_at_olivos maybe you know, i got claw hand and i want macro to sit were s is or whatever. dworak
12:05 * asciilifeform in sane world would carry keyboard in violin case wherever, and it'd work
12:05 asciilifeform mp_at_olivos: recall naggum's layout
12:05 mp_at_olivos nah, i think thatçs a different sort of sane.
12:06 asciilifeform (naggum had punctuation chars ~in the middle~, vertically)
12:06 mp_at_olivos motherfucker, im pissing utf everywhere like a cancerous half shark in seawater
12:06 asciilifeform what the living phuck is ç even doing on a sp kbd ?!
12:07 asciilifeform to write curaçao ?
12:07 asciilifeform where they don't even speak sp ?
12:08 asciilifeform or do spain and portugal share a kbd.
12:08 mp_at_olivos no ideaç.
12:08 mp_at_olivos but it plays the role of single quote, much like % is a question mark.
12:08 asciilifeform holy fuq
12:08 asciilifeform (fuç !)
12:08 mp_at_olivos let me give you the top layout for incredilolz Ñ
12:08 mp_at_olivos ·ª"/()¡!¿?₧+¨
12:09 asciilifeform ₧ ??
12:09 mp_at_olivos thatçs colon.
12:09 asciilifeform ¡ai caramba!
12:09 mp_at_olivos or no wait, ₧ is where equal sits, atop 0
12:09 mp_at_olivos Ñ is colon.
12:09 asciilifeform ¿por que such braindamage?
12:10 mp_at_olivos anyway, five minute call, ima be back later. prolly on a sane system, i sent out for.
12:10 mp_at_olivos hasta luegoª
12:23 jurov asciilifeform beware! tmsr considers selling shares of own business as stealing!
12:23 asciilifeform jurov: what's that to do with me.
12:25 jurov just in case you'll start having treasonous thoughts to sell some shares and withdraw from mpex
12:25 jurov yes, i know so far you never strayed from faith
12:25 asciilifeform but think about it, if the business consists of ~you, and you quietly sell shares to randos and remove all incentive for yourself to do your duty...
12:25 asciilifeform what's that make you.
12:26 asciilifeform i explained years ago that i never expect to sell my s.nsa shares, no matter how the thing goes -- for this reason.
12:27 asciilifeform which is likewise why not having mpex acct never especially bothered me.
12:27 jurov if my business lays golden eggs at least nce few months, why would it do it?
12:27 jurov *why would I do it?
12:28 asciilifeform it never wholly made sense to me why to issue shares for a thing made of one or two people.
12:28 asciilifeform considering that any selling is a serious signal of ill-confidence in own victory
12:29 jurov to sell half of future golden eggs upfront to investors?
12:29 asciilifeform yeah but imagine selling ~all~
12:29 asciilifeform and you are the goose.
12:29 asciilifeform why would anyone take you seriously after that ?
12:29 jurov kako sold all?
12:29 asciilifeform in ancient times, when you sold yourself into slavery, at least you'd be collected physically
12:30 asciilifeform jurov: i have nfi what kako sold or did not sell.
12:30 asciilifeform but if he sold the bulk of his bbet holding ahead of time, then yes, it was a betrayal
12:31 jurov he had 25% that was not on mpex thus not possible to sell. then he got another 25% which was *supposed to be sold to public*
12:31 asciilifeform in the meat world there were legalisms like 'key man clause' etc. for such cases.
12:35 asciilifeform jurov: he easily could have sold the 'unsellable' 25%, by ~promising the coin~ in the future.
12:35 asciilifeform all he couldn't do is ~sell it on mpex~, legitly
12:36 asciilifeform jurov: understand that the blade of conspiratorial conjecture has ~two~ edges.
12:36 asciilifeform and can cut as easily in one direction as the other.
12:37 jurov im confused. what am i supposedly conspiring here?
12:37 jurov you are conspiring he sold something he should not as per some sinister end
12:38 asciilifeform jurov: well not you, or at least , not here.
12:38 asciilifeform other mega-thread.
12:39 jurov let's please not mix everyhing together. we have on table a new (to me) accusation kakobrekla sold share of bitbet under shady circumstances
12:40 jurov and the proceeds were thus impounded
12:40 trinque if you cross someone with whom you're doing business, and the cost to their reputation is not enough to harm them, they fuck you back.
12:40 jurov do you have anything to say to this one?
12:40 trinque you people are still going on like old spinsters trying to wrangle this thing legally
12:41 trinque asciilifeform: got your message; perhaps they come out rapidly enough that more than six get dumped at a time to RSS?
12:42 trinque I think the thing as written only ever barfs last six to avoid spamming the channel
12:42 trinque I could alter that
12:42 asciilifeform trinque: they do
12:42 asciilifeform trinque: they come out potentially maxint at a time.
12:42 asciilifeform but rss displays, iirc, 20.
12:43 asciilifeform (this is a knob and i can move it)
12:43 asciilifeform but yeah, hilariously kako's feed (he has one) got all of the phuctoringz
12:43 asciilifeform and ours - didn't
12:49 trinque ok, I can move my knob to 20
12:50 trinque done
12:53 deedbot [Btc Alpha Blog] Betting BitBet Both Ways - http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/betting-bitbet-both-ways/
12:53 deedbot [Btc Alpha Blog] A Year of S.MPOE - http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/a-year-of-s-mpoe/
12:53 deedbot [Btc Alpha Blog] BitBet Affiliate Ad - http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/bitbet-affiliate-ad/
12:53 deedbot [Btc Alpha Blog] A New Investment Fund - http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/a-new-investment-fund/
12:53 deedbot [Bingo Blog] Buffet Problems - http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/10/24/buffet-problems/
12:53 deedbot [Bingo Blog] Qntra: Nearly a month in - http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/10/31/qntra-nearly-a-month-in/
12:53 deedbot [Bingo Blog] ATC Closing Statement - http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/10/31/atc-closing-statement/
12:53 deedbot [Bingo Blog] BBWAA Awards Predictions - http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/11/08/bbwaa-awards-predictions/
12:53 deedbot [Loper OS] Comrade Ogilvy Nakamoto. - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1468
12:53 deedbot [Loper OS] Trilema 2014 - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1475
12:53 deedbot [Loper OS] Tungsten Will Melt in Your Mouth! - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1482
12:59 trinque d'oh
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14:15 asciilifeform in other lulz,
14:15 asciilifeform 61.216.2.15 - - [24/May/2016:18:09:53 +0000] "\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x0
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14:15 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471349 << funny. but no. selling shares in what you pretend to be a business and then setting that on fire however does open you to liability. because your job as a principal is to act in the best interest of the shareholders. that's the only criteria. the ONLY criteria.
14:15 a111 Logged on 2016-05-24 16:23 jurov: asciilifeform beware! tmsr considers selling shares of own business as stealing!
14:15 mircea_popescu and if you diverge from it, no matter how you justify the divergence to yourself, or to a random mob of uninvolved bystanders, you'll be held for it.
14:15 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: didja catch him sellin' or conjecture ?
14:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform we're discussing a general matter here, afaik ?
14:16 mircea_popescu you know, what every derpy socialist ever says, once his idiocy blows up. "i only meant well", as if that somehow provides immunity.
14:17 mircea_popescu what ceausescu died embracing, and each and every of 'em idiots to date. "they meant well" and left a hole behind.
14:17 asciilifeform aha but iirc it began with http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471297
14:17 a111 Logged on 2016-05-24 15:59 mp_at_olivos: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471281 plain fraud, like anything else. this year sold shares to whatever buyers, next year burned the thing down. hurr.
14:18 mircea_popescu asciilifeform guy's total deposit covered an account creation. whatever he has, he has from selling bitbet, logically.
14:18 asciilifeform from bbet ipo, according to him
14:18 mircea_popescu ipo = selling shares last i checked.
14:18 asciilifeform tru!
14:18 mircea_popescu so then.
14:18 asciilifeform but this is slightly different from 'i'ma sell it all then pull the plug, haha'
14:19 mircea_popescu how ?
14:19 asciilifeform yearz of working as described on box ?
14:19 mircea_popescu i guess.
14:19 jurov so, he had the premeditated plan of selling them and then waiting for a year to pull the plug?
14:20 mircea_popescu "the car worked fine until itblew up, producer not liable"
14:20 mircea_popescu jurov what difference would it make ?
14:21 mircea_popescu forget this entire "what derp meant to do". it's uninteresting. derp's judged on what he did. and if i'm to pay ~20 btc which nobody disputes i actually spent, because that's how the stars alligned, kakobrekla can sure as fuck pay ~2k btc that some think he earned, because that's how the stars lined up.
14:21 mircea_popescu davout set the precedent in, dangerous as it may be, we're now with it.
14:22 mircea_popescu he is, of course, idemnified as per contract to "amt actually realised". which is, to date, 670 btc and change, so there is that.
14:22 trinque there seems to be pervasive confusion as to what interacting as peers *means*
14:22 trinque as though the forum is to play the role of centralized mob-judge
14:23 mircea_popescu kinda why i'm entertaining the whole nonsense, supposed to be educative.
14:26 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471359 << also supposed to be educative, if nothing else.
14:26 a111 Logged on 2016-05-24 16:28 asciilifeform: it never wholly made sense to me why to issue shares for a thing made of one or two people.
14:26 asciilifeform this, surely
14:26 asciilifeform anal education, in some cases, with spikes
14:26 mircea_popescu generally, recall, at the fucking time all this got started, the same "community" of imbeciles that had "forum bankers" and whatever the fuck, ALSO had "glbse" and "investments".
14:27 mircea_popescu yeah well, education is a square built off a line that reads "beatings"
14:28 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471379 << no, we don't. we have the situation where kakobrekla destroyed 2-3k btc of shareholder value, and the reasonable, at least to my eyes, civil claim against him by the victims.
14:28 a111 Logged on 2016-05-24 16:39 jurov: let's please not mix everyhing together. we have on table a new (to me) accusation kakobrekla sold share of bitbet under shady circumstances
14:29 mircea_popescu i've yet to encounter that mirabilis item, the bitbet ex-shareholder that thinks kakobrekla helped him. and that's that.
14:30 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471380 << the notion that kakobrekla had anything to be impounded is entirely based on kakobrekla's pretense, which is both late and contradictory to his own earlier statements. see http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471274
14:30 a111 Logged on 2016-05-24 15:52 mp_at_olivos: the theory whereby "dead to me" is supposed to read "holds a substantial fraction of my assets" and "the difference between these two statements only appeared to me sometime late may, which is coincidentally months after the alleged causative event and also within minutes of channel discussion of the fabulous failure of the miner cartel love tap and subsequent attempts to cover it up" may be either partially false or entirely
14:30 a111 Logged on 2016-05-24 16:40 jurov: and the proceeds were thus impounded
14:31 mircea_popescu this claim is not at any point considered or lent any credence by discussion of the shareholder claim item above. it's dead weight, and it won't be rescued by trying to tack it on to actual substantial issues.
14:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: kako's pov was ' mircea_popescu killed the value by sending 0fee '
14:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu's appears to be ' kako killed bbet by not kowtowing '
14:34 asciilifeform is there method to pick b/w these 2 other than 'which fella i like moar'
14:35 mircea_popescu bullshit. next time someone "saves" you from having to pay a 20 btc heating bill by burning down your house, call it kakologic.
14:35 mircea_popescu there's a very fucking obvious method. money.
14:36 asciilifeform house is gone, point
14:36 mircea_popescu anyway. there's a lot of wisdom fruits in all this for the general reader.
14:37 mircea_popescu somehow the very distant ballas criticism of the "single issue independent" doesn't strike home, unless we sit on the ruined remnants of the house.
14:37 mircea_popescu every dork thinks himself the main character in his own game, and somehow to be saved by divine providence just as long as he sticks to "his principles".
14:37 mircea_popescu well...
14:37 mircea_popescu reality ain't dork paradise.
14:40 mircea_popescu (and for the record : superman irl would last for about a week, before all the bills for torn down walls and destroyed cars would put him away permanently. seems important to have this in the fucking record omfg.)
14:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: who exactly puts superman anywhere he dun want to be ?
14:40 mircea_popescu right.
14:40 * asciilifeform mostly ignorant of the story, but isn't that sorta what his life is about ?
14:41 mircea_popescu no, pointedly not. because it's surogate fiction for castrated 1950s boys.
14:41 mircea_popescu so the story is not at all about this ; it's all about how it could be this, and then becauser it could be, it's ok that it isn't, and so he's "law abiding"
14:41 mircea_popescu well, civil judgement's good law, pay up.
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15:00 solrodar mircea_popescu: glad to hear that you confiscated kako's mpex account on behalf of the shareholders and not just yourself
15:00 solrodar I look forward to hearing how you will distribute the proceeds to them
15:00 mircea_popescu your reading's a thing of wonder.
15:02 solrodar is that not what you just said?
15:12 BingoBoingo * asciilifeform rockets off on small tour of BingoBoingolandia tonight << Nah, Chicagoland is basically anti-Bingolandia
~ 40 minutes ~
15:52 deedbot [Qntra] Bruce Fenton (WOT:nonperson) Tries Raising Dead - http://qntra.net/2016/05/bruce-fenton-wotnonperson-tries-raising-dead/
16:00 mircea_popescu heh.
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16:16 deedbot [Trilema] The Woman in the Window - http://trilema.com/2016/the-woman-in-the-window/
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16:41 mircea_popescu aaand in other news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/100e79b85b14b0f4ae481d9adffc46e8/tumblr_mxqk0yw9Pi1stt4xmo1_1280.jpg
16:49 asciilifeform 'The purpose of this email was to solicit input / advice from core [client fork] Devs and to let them know that the Bitcoin Foundation feels we represent all of Bitcoin including all of Core [client fork] and that we would welcome help and input.' << trololol!
16:55 * BingoBoingo inserted the "[client fork]" clarifications
16:56 asciilifeform i can see
17:07 shinohai thx BingoBoingo
17:19 deedbot [Qntra] Ken Starr (WOT:nonperson) Changes Tune On Clintons AND Sex Scandal Cover Ups - http://qntra.net/2016/05/ken-starr-wotnonperson-changes-tune-on-clintons-and-sex-scandal-cover-ups/
17:22 trinque BingoBoingo: s/American's/America's/
17:23 BingoBoingo fxd,ty
17:29 BingoBoingo In other lulz: "Facebook has apologized for banning a photo of a plus-sized model and telling the feminist group that posted the image that it depicts "body parts in an undesirable manner". Cherchez la Femme, an Australian group that hosts popular culture talkshows with "an unapologetically feminist angle", said Facebook rejected an advert featuring Tess Holliday, a plus-sized model wearing a bikini, telling the group it violated the com
17:29 BingoBoingo pany's "ad guidelines". After the group appealed against the rejection, Facebook's ad team initially defended the decision, writing that the photo failed to comply with the social networking site's "health and fitness policy". "Ads may not depict a state of health or body weight as being perfect or extremely undesirable," Facebook wrote. "Ads like these are not allowed since they make viewers feel bad about themselves. Instead, we recomm
17:29 BingoBoingo end using an image of a relevant activity, such as running or riding a bike." In a statement on Monday, Facebook apologized for its original stance and said it had determined that the photo does comply with its guidelines."
17:30 BingoBoingo ftr
17:36 shinohai ^ saw that this morning, lulzy
17:40 shinohai "Google's Paris HQ raided in tax probe"
17:42 BingoBoingo writing it up
17:48 deedbot [Qntra] Nth French Republic Raids Local Google Outpost - http://qntra.net/2016/05/nth-french-republic-raids-local-google-outpost/
17:51 mircea_popescu so basically, if feminists tell it to get fucked, facebook does change its mind.
17:51 mircea_popescu tsk tsk.
17:52 mircea_popescu from now on, this is the bar. facebook is held to do the exact same if i say so. because why the fuck not.
17:52 mircea_popescu and incidentally, any derp who is preoccupied with "changing society" because "women statistically don't make as much money as men" while not being preoccupied with "changing the definition of crime" because "the current definitions put more men in prison than women" is an utter hypocrite.
17:53 mircea_popescu criminalize being fat, decriminalize rape. then criminalize talking back, decriminalize domestic beatings. and keep going until female prison population === male prison population
17:54 mircea_popescu and we'll be bitching about how nominal equality, ie, 3 mn each, hides the fact that there's 2% more women so there should really be more, exactly in the manner they derp today about how women don't work as long, so they make less.
17:54 mircea_popescu equality wtf.
17:55 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471496 << the 'mra' derps, who tried to copy feminism, even created a name - 'glass cellar' - for 'why must garbage men and thieves be male!111'
17:55 a111 Logged on 2016-05-24 21:52 mircea_popescu: and incidentally, any derp who is preoccupied with "changing society" because "women statistically don't make as much money as men" while not being preoccupied with "changing the definition of crime" because "the current definitions put more men in prison than women" is an utter hypocrite.
17:59 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
17:59 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
17:59 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 445.16, vol: 3109.91508125 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 446.779, vol: 4963.7593 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 445.87, vol: 8566.592525829999 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 452.033246, vol: 24843.18730000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 444.675, vol: 1396.31921768 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 447.8682, vol: 37.97473541 | Volume-weighted last average: 449.454204169
17:59 gribble Current Blocks: 413286 | Current Difficulty: 1.99312067531243E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 415295 | Next Difficulty In: 2009 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 1 hour, 5 minutes, and 27 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
18:10 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu y'know how 'with aeons even death may die' ? sometimes opposite, shit that just won't die: http://dannybrewster.com/blog
18:10 gribble The operation succeeded.
18:11 asciilifeform ^ mega-'heroes' from 2014 ride even today.
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18:55 deedbot [Qntra] Bitcoin Difficulty Approaches 200 Trillion After 2.6 Percent Rise - http://qntra.net/2016/05/bitcoin-difficulty-approaches-200-trillion-after-2-6-percent-rise/
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19:26 mircea_popescu lmao
19:27 mircea_popescu asciilifeform rather well researched too, the half life of average "bitcoin community"-tard is just about 15 months.
19:33 mircea_popescu aaand in other news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/853ab86e4118f5bc7b04535d6d230fce/tumblr_mz9oz7YRYE1s4jw4io1_1280.jpg
19:41 BingoBoingo Fat ethics http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3603812/Woman-kills-husband-s-puppy-chihuahua-stage-miscarriage-pretending-pregnant-7-months.html
19:53 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471513 << reminds me of far more interesting case in 17th c where some chick had dead rabbits stuffed in uterus and 'birthed' them
19:53 a111 Logged on 2016-05-24 23:41 BingoBoingo: Fat ethics http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3603812/Woman-kills-husband-s-puppy-chihuahua-stage-miscarriage-pretending-pregnant-7-months.html
19:54 asciilifeform see if you can find
19:54 asciilifeform i bet mircea_popescu knows the incident...
19:54 BingoBoingo But that's old news and rabbits are adorable. Chihuaua is basically rat.
19:55 mircea_popescu nope.
19:57 BingoBoingo tldr; Bitch shoved a bunch of bunnies in her cunny
20:02 trinque fucking weirdo primates
20:03 trinque https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVE60zwXx1k
20:03 mircea_popescu i suppose it's a pretty decent way to drive people up the wall, as an angry teenager.
20:03 mircea_popescu fill your cunt with newborn rats, take panties off in class
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20:20 ben_vulpes > 7,000 dollar bond
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