| 05:10 |
gregorynyssa |
Has anyone here read Asimov's Foundation trilogy? Is anyone watching Apple TV's adaptation? |
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| 05:10 |
gregorynyssa |
I will try to add `awt` as a peer. |
| 05:13 |
gregorynyssa |
Hello again. |
| 05:13 |
gregorynyssa |
Test message. Please ignore. |
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| 05:53 |
gregorynyssa2 |
Test message. Please ignore. A different username is used. |
| 05:53 |
unpx |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2023-07-28#1029574 <<< they totally spoiler the most important thing of the first books of the Foundation cycle |
| 05:56 |
unpx |
Moreover they changed the whole story line so it's just a bit Foundation (the book) and they blneded it so it doesn't even follow the original story and create a new plot in between ``the encyclopedists'' and ``the traders'' |
| 05:57 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2023-07-28 05:10:50 gregorynyssa[asciilifeform]: Has anyone here read Asimov's Foundation trilogy? Is anyone watching Apple TV's adaptation? |
| 05:57 |
unpx |
And putting even another spoiler from the end of Foundation (the book), like it is normal for people to have such powers. |
| 06:12 |
unpx |
Currently trying to finish ``Foundation and Earth'', but it gets me nervous |
| 06:25 |
gregorynyssa |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2023-07-28#1029581 << The TV adaptation took huge liberties with the material. |
| 06:25 |
gregorynyssa |
Someone wrote that the Hober Mallow in the show is a mixture of Mallow and Ponyets. |
| 06:30 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2023-07-28 05:56:14 unpx[asciilifeform]: Moreover they changed the whole story line so it's just a bit Foundation (the book) and they blneded it so it doesn't even follow the original story and create a new plot in between ``the encyclopedists'' and ``the traders'' |
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| 08:23 |
gregorynyssa |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2023-07-28#1029583 << There was a thirty-year gap between when Asimov wrote Second Foundation and when he wrote the remaining four books. |
| 08:24 |
gregorynyssa |
Those last four books are quite different in tone. I am not really a fan of them. |
| 08:27 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2023-07-28 06:10:27 unpx[asciilifeform]: Currently trying to finish ``Foundation and Earth'', but it gets me nervous |
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| 09:54 |
PeterL |
http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-07-28#1029070 << I read it, but it was about 25 years ago when I was a teenager, so I don't remember any more than the general plot |
| 09:54 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2023-07-28 05:10:30 gregorynyssa[jonsykkel|signpost]: Has anyone here read Asimov's Foundation trilogy? Is anyone watching Apple TV's adaptation? |
| 09:59 |
PeterL |
Did you watch the movie "I, Robot" (with Will Smith)? About the only thing it had in common with Asimov's book was the same title. The plot was actually closer to the book "Caves of Steel", but I guess they took the other name because it is more memorable |
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| 12:37 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: interestingly, xiafuxiangfei not shows up in loggers ( neither yours or mine ) |
| 12:38 |
asciilifeform |
gregorynyssa if he's using your client, it may be mishandling bounces |
| 12:38 |
asciilifeform |
wb PeterL |
| 12:47 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: i'm not even seeing xiafuxiangfei in my terminal |
| 12:47 |
asciilifeform |
06:49:19 xiafuxiangfei[jonsykkel] | hi │ |
| 12:47 |
asciilifeform |
06:50:18 xiafuxiangfei[jonsykkel] | i │ |
| 12:47 |
asciilifeform |
06:51:18 xiafuxiangfei[jonsykkel] | i'm gregory friend |
| 12:48 |
asciilifeform |
not seen on dulapbot tho |
| 12:48 |
billymg |
ah, from jonsykkel. interesting, my station's AT shows we're peered (last ping is current) |
| 12:49 |
billymg |
not sure why i'm not seeing it |
| 12:52 |
PeterL |
awt: I was going to try out Akris, but realized my Python3 is about 5 versions out of date, will have to upgrade that first |
| 12:54 |
PeterL |
I've not logged in for a while, and the way Blatta dumps backdata makes it hard to follow the conversation while it is still churning, I am looking forward to switching to a better client |
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| 13:41 |
awt |
PeterL, you can try with the older version. Just causes problems building the static binary afaik. |
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| 13:56 |
billymg |
awt: i added `logger.info(event)` to the top of your `handle_enter` function, this is the output: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=Zf1a |
| 13:56 |
billymg |
so the handler is at least being properly called on enter |
| 13:57 |
billymg |
got it |
| 13:58 |
billymg |
it doesn't like num lock enabled |
| 13:58 |
billymg |
turning off numlock fixed it |
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| 13:59 |
billymg |
but i like numlock! how else am i supposed use the bean counter pad to enter numbers? |
| 13:59 |
billymg |
to* use |
| 14:01 |
gregorynyssa |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2023-07-28#1029594 << I set her client to bounces = 4. It looks like we are five or more hops away. |
| 14:02 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2023-07-28 12:36:03 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa if he's using your client, it may be mishandling bounces |
| 14:03 |
gregorynyssa |
What would be nice (maybe `awt` already has it) is a "traceroute" tool to view the shape of the network. |
| 14:03 |
asciilifeform |
gregorynyssa: this isn't possible as stated |
| 14:04 |
asciilifeform |
gregorynyssa: a station can only know what it receives via its peers. can, theoretically, view bounce counts tho |
| 14:04 |
gregorynyssa |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2023-07-28#1029617 << An "adversarial" traceroute tool is not possible, but an "opt in" version would be. |
| 14:05 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2023-07-28 14:02:25 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: a station can only know what it receives via its peers. can, theoretically, view bounce counts tho |
| 14:05 |
asciilifeform |
gregorynyssa: naturally folx can volunteer info re their topology if they feel like it |
| 14:05 |
gregorynyssa |
Same with ICMP, in theory. |
| 14:05 |
asciilifeform |
see statement re icmp in earlier spec tho |
| 14:06 |
gregorynyssa |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2023-07-28#1029622 << Of course, ICMP is a mess. I have even looked into how to leave it out of hte Linux kernel during compilation. |
| 14:06 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2023-07-28 14:04:07 asciilifeform: see statement re icmp in earlier spec tho |
| 14:07 |
asciilifeform |
( subj ) |
| 14:09 |
gregorynyssa |
EDIT. "the Linux kernel" |
| 14:11 |
gregorynyssa |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2023-07-28#1029592 << That was a good film nonetheless. As a teenager I found it to be quite inspirational. |
| 14:11 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2023-07-28 09:57:57 PeterL[asciilifeform]: Did you watch the movie "I, Robot" (with Will Smith)? About the only thing it had in common with Asimov's book was the same title. The plot was actually closer to the book "Caves of Steel", but I guess they took the other name because it is more memorable |
| 14:23 |
PeterL |
gregorynyssa: yeah, I liked it, and I thought it was a nice mix of various things that Asimov thought about, it just had a lot of creative liberities in turning it into a movie |
| 14:24 |
PeterL |
similar thing in the "Bourne Identity" series, the first movie has the same general plot as the first book, but the sequels had absolutely nothing in common between books and movies (I actually like the plot in the movies better) |
| 14:35 |
gregorynyssa |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2023-07-28#1029630 << Yep, same here. |
| 14:35 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2023-07-28 14:22:41 PeterL[asciilifeform]: similar thing in the "Bourne Identity" series, the first movie has the same general plot as the first book, but the sequels had absolutely nothing in common between books and movies (I actually like the plot in the movies better) |
| 14:44 |
gregorynyssa |
If I might ask, has Serpent been implemented yet using Peh? Is that feasible in the near future? |
| 14:45 |
asciilifeform |
gregorynyssa: would be monstrously inefficient ( for e.g. pestronics. for use in a peh tape, potentially useful . but anywhere else -- wai? ) |
| 14:45 |
asciilifeform |
for pestronics ideally you want serpentism in asm |
| 14:45 |
asciilifeform |
( or even fpga ) |
| 14:46 |
asciilifeform |
ditto the hashes |
| 14:46 |
gregorynyssa |
Of course, because of line-rate decoding. |
| 14:46 |
asciilifeform |
aaha |
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| 15:48 |
PeterL |
awt: I'm just trying to wrap my head around this Akris thing - you have two genesis patches, akris and akris-desktop, that are meant to be built completely separate from each other? |
| 15:59 |
awt_akris |
PeterL: Akris Desktop depends on Akris. Imports the client and server libs so it can start up its own station and connect to it. |
| 16:01 |
gregorynyssa |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2023-07-28#1029641 << So why is Blatta not used as the engine of Akris? |
| 16:01 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2023-07-28 15:57:21 awt_akris[asciilifeform]: PeterL: Akris Desktop depends on Akris. Imports the client and server libs so it can start up its own station and connect to it. |
| 16:01 |
gregorynyssa |
EDIT. "as the engine of the GUI of Akris?" |
| 16:02 |
PeterL |
so do I only need to build the Akris Desktop, or do I first have to install Akris? |
| 16:03 |
awt_akris |
gregorynyssa: akris is a rewrite of blatta. Akris, however, is multithreaded, and provides a JSON api over a local socket, rather than act as an IRC server. |
| 16:05 |
awt_akris |
PeterL, you just have to be able to run pip install (-e) <akris location> from inside the Akris Desktop environment. That should build the serpent binary and make the akris module available to akris desktop. |
| 16:06 |
gregorynyssa |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pest/2023-07-28#1029646 << Great to hear. |
| 16:06 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2023-07-28 16:01:56 awt_akris[asciilifeform]: gregorynyssa: akris is a rewrite of blatta. Akris, however, is multithreaded, and provides a JSON api over a local socket, rather than act as an IRC server. |
| 16:06 |
PeterL |
I mean, do I need to use v on both genesis patches, or is the desktop patch a superset of the akris one? |
| 16:07 |
PeterL |
(let me know if my questions are stupid, I feel a bit lost here) |
| 16:08 |
awt_akris |
PeterL: you need to press both Genesis patches in separate locations. |
| 16:09 |
PeterL |
ok, I think that was the problem I was running into, had them in the same place |
| 16:10 |
awt_akris |
aha ok noted. will try to make this more clear in the docs. |
| 16:10 |
awt_akris |
Akris is designed to be its own thing - I hope that other clients will be developed for it. |
| 16:10 |
awt_akris |
Like bots, other guis, etc. |
| 16:11 |
PeterL |
where in the directory tree do the images need to end up? |
| 16:12 |
awt_akris |
I like to put akris and akris-desktop under the same parent folder. |
| 16:12 |
awt_akris |
If that's what you mean by image |
| 16:12 |
awt_akris |
In python, akris and akris-desktop are considered "packages" |
| 16:13 |
PeterL |
I mean the two image files that were in a separate tar? |
| 16:13 |
PeterL |
looks like a bug of some sort? |
| 16:13 |
PeterL |
I mean, a picture of a bug, not a coding bug |
| 16:14 |
awt_akris |
oh lol yeah if you unpack that tar from akris-desktop, they should end up in akris_desktop/images |
| 16:14 |
awt_akris |
They are completely optional, btw |
| 16:16 |
awt_akris |
the bug is a locust |
| 16:20 |
gregorynyssa |
PeterL: awt_akris: As it is written in St Mark's gospel: en de ioannes endedumenos trichas kamelou kai zonen dermatinen peri ten osphun autou kai esthion akridas kai meli agrion. |
| 16:22 |
awt_akris |
gregorynyssa sees right through my obscure references |
| 16:22 |
gregorynyssa |
St John the Baptist ate locusts (akris) and honey (meli). |
| 16:23 |
PeterL |
ew, yuck |
| 16:23 |
awt_akris |
I had something like a locust once - I feel like it was undercooked. |
| 16:24 |
PeterL |
so "Akris" is a locus? |
| 16:25 |
awt_akris |
PeterL yes |
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| 19:41 |
shinoa |
So far akris very smooth, hardly notice it running on chinkpad. |
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| 22:40 |
shinohai |
For interested parties, I documented building akris on Gentoo: http://btc.info.gf/blog/building-awts-akris-pestnet-client-on-gentoo.html |