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00:00 dub you went one better and gave context, '3rd quarter' is equally meaningless
00:01 mircea_popescu 3rd quarter is jul-aug-sept
00:01 TheNewDeal it has meaning
00:01 dub no it isnt
00:01 dub its the 3rd quater of a financial year
00:01 TheNewDeal https://www.fidelity.com/viewpoints/market-and-economic-insights/quarterly-market-update
00:01 assbot Market update: Third quarter 2014 - Fidelity Investments
00:02 TheNewDeal the term is used extensively
00:02 TheNewDeal financial year differs from company to company, in my opinion
00:02 dub yeah well US companies largely use teh calendar year
00:02 TheNewDeal some companies financial year revolves around tax date in us
00:04 * mircea_popescu waits for the "and july isn't really 31 days plus today should really be sept 3rd" discussion
00:04 TheNewDeal :D
00:04 dub we can quibble over leap secodns
00:04 dub seconds*
00:05 mircea_popescu or the gregorian change, or the julian change. etc.
00:05 TheNewDeal mike_c in reference to different weighting mechanisms. How about a price bet that is weighted by both bitstamp price and time
00:09 mike_c mircea_popescu: median since July 1 is 6 btc
00:09 TheNewDeal whats sigma
00:10 mircea_popescu mike_c a day ?
00:10 mike_c avg is 14.5
00:10 mike_c yeah
00:10 mircea_popescu but 3 days, so as to have equal basis.
00:11 TheNewDeal how far is 50 above the expected 43.5 :)
00:11 mircea_popescu 442 in august, 543 july, 251 june, 449 may, 217 april, 1659 march etc
00:12 mircea_popescu it does have some heavy variation, but anyway, 50ish for 3 days seems more or less a good estimate
00:12 mike_c 2 day = median 18.7, avg 28.15
00:13 mike_c 3 day = median 26.6, avg 41.7
00:13 mircea_popescu aha
00:14 mike_c so last two days 37 btc ain't bad, i'm still insinuating a causation ;)
00:14 TheNewDeal how much should I zeroconf if I want to remake this bet a month from now ? http://bitbet.us/bet/1043/bitcoin-817-or-above-before-christmas/
00:14 assbot BitBet - Bitcoin $817 or above before Christmas :: 1.1 B (20%) on Yes, 4.46 B (80%) on No | closing in 3 months 2 days | weight: 97`758 (100`000 to 1)
00:15 mircea_popescu mike_c i'm not saying it's bad hehe.
00:16 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal try and see, this is like a totally real virtual reality.
00:16 mike_c i have to point it out quick before the data turns against me.
00:16 TheNewDeal I just don't like the lag periods
00:16 mircea_popescu what are lag periods ?
00:16 TheNewDeal I propose
00:16 TheNewDeal 4 days later ... rejection
00:17 mircea_popescu you must be specially unlucky.
00:17 mike_c dub: actually for some stupid reason many US companies use July 1 as start of fiscal year
00:18 dub mike_c: I know
00:18 mike_c well then i'll shut up
00:18 mircea_popescu http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/13/creepy-expat-dates-18-year-olds-because-they-make-excellent-devoted-sex-slaves/
00:18 assbot Creepy expat “dates” 18-year-olds “because they make excellent devoted sex slaves.” | we hunted the mammoth
00:18 dub I can incorporate a company with any fiscal year I like
00:18 mircea_popescu amazingly, he's not talking about me.
00:18 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
00:19 TheNewDeal yes you can dub
00:20 dub mike_c: its probably (as TheNewDeal said) lining up with the tax year? It does in some places by convention
00:20 mike_c but tax year is calendar..
00:20 dub whats mp's birthay? all future dubcorp entities shall be calendared thus
00:20 decimation http://www.isegoria.net/2014/09/six-great-things-an-independent-scotland-could-do/ << lol scotland. maybe an independent scotland would give everyone a pony too
00:20 assbot Six Great Things an Independent Scotland Could Do « Isegoria
00:20 TheNewDeal mike_c that works for individuals
00:20 TheNewDeal but not companies
00:20 TheNewDeal a company declares their tax year
00:21 mike_c uh
00:21 dub mike_c: oh, it is? not everywhere (i get a choice)
00:21 mike_c interesting. thankfully i don't do my company's books.
00:21 mircea_popescu dub i dun think this morsel actually ever ended up in public.
00:21 mircea_popescu mike_c tax year is actually april the nth or some bs in the us.
00:22 mike_c that's pay date.
00:22 TheNewDeal mike_c is correct
00:22 dub think this illustrates my point nicely though
00:23 TheNewDeal For instance, the taxes I pay on January 1 2014 - December 3x 2014 will be due on April 2x 2015
00:23 TheNewDeal 2x = 15
00:24 decimation the usg fiscal year begins oct. 1
00:25 decimation http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-perspective/091614-717643-johnson-war-on-poverty-still-hasnt-been-won.htm << us has spent 22 trillion bezzlars trying to 'end poverty', has failed.
00:25 assbot Washington Has Wasted $22 Trillion In War On Poverty It Can't Win - Investors.com
00:27 mircea_popescu it's not really wasted if it's not really money.
00:27 mircea_popescu what do i win ?
00:27 dub sounds like an easy war to win? poor people can't be very well armed
00:27 mircea_popescu dub in the us ? they got more guns than cars yo
00:29 TheNewDeal kinda like this exsplat guy http://xsplat.wordpress.com/2014/09/17/pre-rational-developmentally-impaired-testosterone-challenged-haters-are-narcissists/
00:29 assbot Pre-rational developmentally impaired testosterone challenged haters are narcissists « Random Xpat Rantings
00:30 mircea_popescu i left a comment on the blog he's arguing with. kinda curious if it gets published.
00:31 TheNewDeal he's got the usian culture pegged down quite well "This is because truth seeking through argument is not considered the point. The point is consensus, so if everybody mutually eye rolls, then the job is done. If you do not automatically join in the eye rolling, then everything you say MUST be wrong."
00:32 mircea_popescu well the problem may also be that there's like 2 of him and 200 of those other guys.
00:32 mircea_popescu and his 2 aren't either rich or murderous.
00:33 TheNewDeal regardless, it's quite funny to see people jump from dating/fucking full grown women to pedophilia
00:34 mircea_popescu i don't see the problem, she could just as well be 16 or w/e
00:35 mircea_popescu pedophilia isn't being attracted to young women, they have to be children.
00:35 TheNewDeal by 16 the woman is virtually sexually mature
00:35 TheNewDeal I would consider an attraction to a 13 year quasi pedophilia if she was not developed
00:36 mircea_popescu thankfully i dun have the job to make the sort of unpleasant call
00:36 mircea_popescu i can just conveniently cherrypick and laugh at the people working in the muck of it
00:47 mircea_popescu so apparently scottish women are 58% for uk, 42% for independence, and the gap is widening
00:47 mircea_popescu much to a buncha people's chagrin
00:48 mircea_popescu "Women voting. A free and independent society. Choose one. The choice between the two is rarely so obvious as this, though." an' stuff.
00:48 TheNewDeal widening meaning that more are going for uk?
00:48 BingoBoingo Shame we can't ask moiety about the local perspective
00:48 TheNewDeal ;;pouradrinkfor moiety
00:48 gribble Error: "pouradrinkfor" is not a valid command.
00:49 mircea_popescu yes.
00:52 mircea_popescu in other news : aggregate advertising and dating data seems to show that a 50% increase in mixed race fantasy couples being displayed over 5 eyars corresponds to a 50% increase in the affinity for white women for white men, and reciprocal, and further a decrease for both black men -> white women and black wome -> white men and reciprocal.
00:52 mircea_popescu the famous uncanny valley of mixed race matrimony : the least seen it is, the more acceptable, and vice-versa.
00:53 cazalla mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apzXGEbZht0 << how to torture a baby. << interesting stuff, our bub atm goes bananas if one of us does not focus attention on him at all times
00:53 assbot Still Face Experiment: Dr. Edward Tronick - YouTube
00:53 mircea_popescu cazalla that's not so healthy.
00:54 cazalla why's that? we were told it's just part of their growth style at this age to be clingy
00:54 mircea_popescu well the part of their growth style may be to be clingy, but it's supposed to not work.
00:55 mircea_popescu so they learn to cope and become fucking sane.
00:55 cazalla i can't cope with the crying so it's easier to tell wife to stay with him
00:57 mircea_popescu that's a bit rich neh ?
00:57 mircea_popescu let the kid choke once in a while, let the woman have her own life once in a while.
00:57 mircea_popescu it won't kill either of em.
00:58 cazalla she does
00:58 cazalla have a life that is, choking sound is awful when we give him a new food
01:00 cazalla i've been sick with flu anyway so poor woman is at her wits ends
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01:51 punkman buen dia
01:51 BingoBoingo Dobro Jutro
02:00 punkman a morning teaser: You are sitting on an olive tree, smoking some tobacco, watching the river. The Beaumont sisters are having a swim and it's an even bet that the first two to come out of the water will have big tits. How many of the sisters have small tits?
02:01 BingoBoingo 3
02:01 BingoBoingo Sorry, 1
02:01 BingoBoingo 3 total
02:03 punkman close, 3 have big tits
02:03 punkman or 6 have small tits
02:07 xmj not enough information
02:15 punkman xmj, what's missing?
02:15 xmj pics
02:16 BingoBoingo Oh my #bitcoin-offtopic is a lulzfest atm
02:17 punkman http://www.bustygirlsdb.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/big-tits-girls-in-river-naked-005.jpg
02:17 punkman BingoBoingo: the moarrr guy?
02:17 BingoBoingo Yeah
02:18 punkman some quotes I saved: "actually tbh i would make people money except i cant be bothered, i dont really wanna make anyone rich to get more money myself, id rather just chill in my room and drink cider and think up new ideas"
02:19 punkman "i can actually get 10x or 100x pretty easily, done it before Talisman, but if i told you then you would probably just try and do it yourself and thus wouldnt need me"
02:19 punkman and of course, he's in massive debt
02:20 xmj punkman: THATS BETTER
02:21 BingoBoingo If anyone wants to catch up on lulzmine
02:23 BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/15JGEWX
02:23 assbot dpaste: 15JGEWX
02:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00075219 = 4.2499 BTC [+]
02:26 punkman here's some more for you xmj: http://uploads5.wikiart.org/images/pierre-auguste-renoir/the-large-bathers-1887.jpg
02:26 xmj punkman: i liked the one on the left in the real world picture
02:26 xmj perky.
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03:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.18 = 0.72 BTC [+] {3}
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03:42 punkman http://object2212.com/?p=217
03:42 assbot Safe and sound | object 2212
03:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00075165 = 11.0117 BTC [-]
04:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00075101 = 10.7394 BTC [-] {2}
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06:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00075027 = 13.5799 BTC [-]
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07:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2844 @ 0.00075027 = 2.1338 BTC [-]
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07:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 20000 @ 0.00003991 = 0.7982 BTC [+] {4}
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08:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00075027 = 7.1276 BTC [-]
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08:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 2002 @ 0.001 = 2.002 BTC [-] {4}
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09:37 kakobrekla thar
09:37 mircea_popescu punkman: close, 3 have big tits << depends on whether we accept some particular notions as to the genetics that cause big tits dunnit ?
09:38 Namworld Yes, assbot is back
09:38 mircea_popescu there's not just one, female inherited factor. there's at least three, of which at least one skips a generation.
09:38 mircea_popescu danke kakobrekla
09:39 mircea_popescu punkman: some quotes I saved: "actually tbh i would make people money except i cant be bothered, i dont really wanna make anyone rich to get more money myself, id rather just chill in my room and drink cider and think up new ideas" <<< i'm saving this one for the next time some derp comes up with "a billionaire dude would never hang out in irc with us rubes"
09:41 mircea_popescu !up brayden
09:41 kakobrekla ;;ticker
09:41 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 431.13, Best ask: 432.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.87000, Last trade: 431.11, 24 hour volume: 12257.64551894, 24 hour low: 431.11, 24 hour high: 457.09, 24 hour vwap: 448.026931997
09:44 mircea_popescu sub-ad hominem attacks lmao
09:44 mircea_popescu interesting coinage.
09:45 mircea_popescu course the sub should qualify the homo not the preposition. subhominem addack or something.
09:46 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo "I've at this point given up at editing any of the text at all. " << this is often a clue the whole thing is not worth publishing, as painful as may be. ie, if one guy can't be bothered to spend an extra minute on the strength of the material, there's cause to believe a thousand readers shouldn't be asked to spend that one second it takes them to decide they don't want it.
09:47 ThickAsThieves "Overstock to Donate 4% of Bitcoin Revenue to Foundations Advocating Cryptocurrency Adoption"
09:47 mircea_popescu this is pretty much the only good way to pander to your readership, and yes they can tell.
09:47 punkman mircea_popescu: but their name's Beaumont, it runs in the family
09:47 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves they weren't making jack were they.
09:47 mircea_popescu punkman sure, but no guarantee is made both their mother and grandmother was heavy bosomed.
09:47 ThickAsThieves accounting dept days "hey you know those btc you are retaining, they are plummeting" "well donate that shit so we can write it off!"
09:48 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves you may be on to something.
09:48 ThickAsThieves "Overstock has initially selected the Chamber of Digital Commerce"
09:48 ThickAsThieves sigh
09:49 ThickAsThieves at least it wasnt TBF i guess
09:49 mircea_popescu wait, is this the brunette chick w/e her name was ?
09:49 ThickAsThieves tho i still think bitcoingirl should just take up a career in playing a dame in movies
09:49 ThickAsThieves yeah
09:49 ThickAsThieves she's so... dick tracy looking
09:50 ThickAsThieves what is that, russian?
09:50 mircea_popescu ouch. well this chick's overbite... here's the problem : before now when her pretentiousness flopped, it would have been just a young woman being naive. but now, with 4% of overstock REVENUE, if the thing flops she's just a failure.
09:50 mircea_popescu kids, just won't stay out of the fire for the life of them.
09:51 ThickAsThieves OSTK is foing decently tho
09:51 ThickAsThieves weathered the selloff
09:51 ThickAsThieves doing*
09:52 mircea_popescu which is ostk ?
09:52 ThickAsThieves overstock
09:52 peterl did they actually mean revenue or is it profit?
09:52 ThickAsThieves bitcoin revenue
09:52 mircea_popescu i read revenue.
09:53 ThickAsThieves my tax theory was meant to be serious tho
09:53 ThickAsThieves i bet they were retaineding 4% in bitcoin
09:53 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves what do you mean weathered the selloff ? you mean they had a stock selloff or what ?
09:53 peterl tax theory sounds good to me
09:53 ThickAsThieves i mean Wall St had a lil correction this week
09:53 ThickAsThieves ostk didnt budge
09:53 ThickAsThieves not really that notable
09:54 ThickAsThieves just wanted to check the stock
09:54 ThickAsThieves the volatility mostly hit popular stocks
09:54 ThickAsThieves tsla, etc
09:54 ThickAsThieves nflx
09:54 mircea_popescu myeah.
09:54 peterl stuff in bubbles?
09:54 mircea_popescu i vaguely recall their published btc sales figures were piddly, but w/e
09:56 ThickAsThieves as of mid-Aug it was $2m with $5m projection for year end
09:57 ThickAsThieves probly more like 3m
09:57 mircea_popescu someone should figure out how that projector works lol
09:57 mircea_popescu anyway i recall something more like 200k or w/e, back in spring.
09:58 ThickAsThieves they probably apply xmas sales bump proportionally to bitcoin sales for projection
09:58 ThickAsThieves altough i cant imagine xmas shopping at overstock...
09:59 mircea_popescu punkman: http://object2212.com/?p=217 << ok this shit is cool.
09:59 assbot Safe and sound | object 2212
09:59 mats_cd03 i can imagine post-xmas sales being a thing
09:59 mats_cd03 people spending btc they dont want, etc.
09:59 mircea_popescu “This record was hand shaped and individually cut in real time using a vintage 1940s Presto 75A recording lathe. It is a unique piece. It is not the same as a traditional pressed record. It was not made in a factory. It was hand carved from an 8ft sheet of polycarbonate plastic, shaped, sanded, waxed and cut in real time by one person.”
09:59 mats_cd03 paper wallet gifts from that weird nephew...
10:00 punkman got my posters from nubbins, but arsepost says they'll need a couple of days to locate them...
10:00 mircea_popescu punkman is that your blog ?
10:01 punkman no
10:01 punkman I'm over at extemporized.com
10:01 chetty give btc for xmas gifts, save shopping
10:02 mircea_popescu someone with a forum account please to tell klech guy he's cool and to drop by.
10:02 ThickAsThieves yeah everyone's getting bit"coins" for xmas
10:02 mircea_popescu krach i mean. this guy https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=505131.0
10:02 assbot Sound Wallet Audio Cold Storage - Your private key as .wav, CD, or a Record
10:02 mats_cd03 http://www.amazon.com/High-Resolution-Display-Adaptive-PagePress-Sensors/dp/B00IOY8XWQ new kindle available for pre-order
10:02 assbot Kindle Voyage Touch Screen E-Reader with Light
10:03 * mats_cd03 is pumped
10:04 mircea_popescu http://object2212.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Cryptolator_tenth_front_02-1024x666.jpg << this is perhaps the best coin design i've seen so far
10:05 mats_cd03 i don't get it.
10:06 mats_cd03 they're swimming away from a bank?
10:06 mircea_popescu flood of fiat i dunno
10:06 mircea_popescu i just mean it's not the usual "here's me with a straight line tool" bs like http://object2212.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Cryptovest_front-1024x759.jpg
10:06 peterl does anybody here use bitmessage?
10:08 ThickAsThieves the art looks like a bunch of bitcoiners reaching to escape to bitcoin and failing
10:08 ThickAsThieves kinda cool if you imagine the coin to be one of the dropped coins from the failures i guess
10:08 jurov they put the bank on fire and fucking on the stairs. me like.
10:09 ThickAsThieves oh wait i get it now!
10:09 fluffypony peterl: I do
10:09 ThickAsThieves they are doing a jailbreak of their money
10:09 ThickAsThieves chains are tearing down the bank
10:09 peterl is it useful? do you like it?
10:09 mircea_popescu fluffypony i was thinking, "prolly fluff, he uses all the weird things" but then i was like, give the guy a break, don't say anything
10:09 fluffypony lol
10:10 ThickAsThieves i installed bitmessage once, then i realized there was no one to talk to
10:10 mircea_popescu can you cockroulette with bitmessage ?
10:11 mircea_popescu http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1446 << i'm only now realising what a fucking seminal and foundational piece this is.
10:11 assbot Loper OS » Modern Chumpatronic Engineering.
10:12 mircea_popescu it's really badly titled which is what threw me off originally. it's really the counterpart to my economic theory piece, it should be "a complete theory of sociology"
10:13 mircea_popescu it also needs some references to skinner.
10:13 mircea_popescu asciilifeform do you mind if i rewrite your article ?
10:15 kakobrekla how the hell does he make those vinyl records
10:15 mircea_popescu kakobrekla ikr?
10:15 mircea_popescu exactly what i wanna ask him. pm the guy.
10:15 punkman on a lathe
10:16 jurov r/buttcoin utterly clueless on this one, troll if you feel like: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2gq5ja/have_thirty_buttcoins_want_to_trade_buttscoins/
10:16 assbot Have thirty buttcoins? Want to trade buttscoins for buttstock? Like poorly designed websites and complex instructions to do simple things? THE FUTURE IS HERE! : Buttcoin
10:16 kakobrekla <punkman> on a lathe < i guess that might work for digital data
10:16 mircea_popescu all data is digital!11
10:16 punkman http://www.aes.org/aeshc/docs/recording.technology.history/lathe.html
10:16 assbot Disk-Cutting & Recording Lathes
10:17 mircea_popescu but yes, the reviewer's comment about "sharp around the edges" suggests it's number-powered
10:17 punkman vinyl burners
10:17 ThickAsThieves buttcoin isnt even insulting you properly
10:18 punkman oh wow, he has one of these: http://www.preservationsound.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Presto_model_A1.jpg
10:18 ThickAsThieves kakobrekla, the audio is likely made in "high contrast" so it's analog smoothing doesnt affect the data
10:18 ThickAsThieves its
10:18 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves not an easy thing to do.
10:19 ThickAsThieves sure it is, it's done in how he makes the conversion fo audio in the first place
10:19 ThickAsThieves to
10:19 mircea_popescu <ThickAsThieves> buttcoin isnt even insulting you properly <<
10:19 ThickAsThieves almost like writing to a hard disk
10:19 ThickAsThieves well exactly like i guess
10:20 kakobrekla my point was, you precision can be off with digital data, with analog it would sound bad.
10:20 ThickAsThieves opposite?
10:20 kakobrekla wha?
10:20 ThickAsThieves i dunno
10:20 mircea_popescu lmao wtf.
10:20 thestringpuller ;;ticker
10:20 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 433.27, Best ask: 433.32, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 433.32, 24 hour volume: 12438.31420448, 24 hour low: 431.11, 24 hour high: 457.09, 24 hour vwap: 446.292395934
10:20 thestringpuller !l m s.mpoe
10:20 assbot Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00075027 BTC [-]
10:21 kakobrekla with digital you have 1 and 0 and thresholds that compensate for your loss of precision
10:21 kakobrekla with analog, well you just get shit out.
10:22 kakobrekla (not to mention crc or some such)
10:22 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: glad you liked it. go ahead, use it for something, have fun.
10:22 mircea_popescu this IS going to be fun. brb.
10:23 gernika peterl I use BItmessage
10:23 gernika peterl currently it appears to be broken
10:23 ThickAsThieves interesting phenomenon with AM shares, now that they dont pay divs, no one can verify ownerships
10:23 peterl gernika do you find it useful when it is not broken?
10:24 thestringpuller https://dpaste.de/Non0/raw << uhm?
10:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.18199999 = 1.274 BTC [+] {2}
10:25 thestringpuller 17:20 <qq1932> That is how people protect themsevles in the real world, and it works. VC's will write $10M checks after 3 weeks of knowing someone, and there is 0% legit fraud there. << ~_~
10:25 ThickAsThieves lol the guys says WoT is a scam, then explains how to use a WoT
10:25 gernika peterl It may be permanently broken. But I did find it useful, yes. Currently looking at fixes.
10:25 peterl how is it broken?
10:26 ThickAsThieves "VC's will write $10M checks after 3 weeks of knowing someone, and there is 0% legit fraud there."
10:26 peterl gotta love all those bezzle dollars
10:26 gernika The network is being spammed with low POW broadcast messages.
10:26 peterl isn't it supposed to ignore low POW messages?
10:26 gernika To the point where people aren't getting messages
10:27 gernika Unfortunately the POW cutoff level appears to be a constant.
10:27 peterl isn't it open source, can't people go into the code and change the hard codings?
10:28 peterl or am I confused?
10:28 gernika petrel yes - everyone could update their constant manually. But that's only a temporary fix.
10:29 asciilifeform vinyl record wallet << good art project, but - bad steganography. breaks the '#1 rule of stego - must not talk about the stego.'
10:29 asciilifeform see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2014#542826
10:29 assbot Logged on 03-03-2014 05:44:01; asciilifeform: benkay: remember that steganography, unlike cryptography, cannot be simultaneously strong and standardized.
10:30 gernika peterl perhaps "permanently" was a bad choice of words. "Seriously" would be better.
10:30 punkman asciilifeform: at least it uses encrypted priv keys
10:34 asciilifeform how the hell does he make those vinyl records >> phonograph.
10:35 kakobrekla i thought those were out of order.
10:35 asciilifeform out of order ?
10:35 kakobrekla not made and used any more
10:36 asciilifeform can still get vintage one. or, in one or two evenings, build yourself.
10:36 asciilifeform all you need is basic machine tools. edison had his built (afaik, the man's only actual proven invention, that he stole nowhere) for 20 usd (of the period) in a day or so.
10:37 asciilifeform (perhaps ~1k usd of today)
10:37 kakobrekla well i wonder which one of those is it
10:37 kakobrekla that the guy is using.
10:38 asciilifeform chances are, vintage unit. otherwise, he'd probably succumb to the temptation to post photos of hand-crafted phonograph.
10:39 chetty http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/how-financial-bubbles-fester-and-burst-even-as-the-fed-says-not-to-worry/
10:39 assbot How Financial Bubbles Fester And Burst—Even As The Fed Says Not To Worry | David Stockman's Contra Corner
10:40 * kakobrekla is curious what the audio quality would be from that particular unit
10:40 peterl p0[\[
10:40 peterl ack, my kid is attacking the keyboard :(
10:40 kakobrekla o, got a new random pass generator?
10:41 peterl would letting a 2-yo type be a good random generator?
10:42 kakobrekla better than most passwords out there
10:42 * asciilifeform remembers late-'90s 'cat-on-keyboard detector' proggy
10:42 kakobrekla lol?
10:43 asciilifeform it was a thing that would 'lock' a winblows box to prevent damage from paws hitting random keys
10:43 kakobrekla hah
10:43 asciilifeform after a string of x keys that suggest 'cat'
10:44 asciilifeform (e.g., adjacent n-tuplets in cat paw cluster shapes, etc)
10:44 kakobrekla how did it work, with dict?
10:44 kakobrekla a
10:44 kakobrekla well but thats limited to cats then
10:44 kakobrekla change the animal, need to change code.
10:51 nubbins` pascale had one of those extensions on her mac
10:51 nubbins` we successfully engaged it by pressing a spread palm on the keyboard
10:51 nubbins` i think it's essentially just looking for long keypresses, indicating something heavy is on the kb
10:52 nubbins` "CAT-LIKE TYPING DETECTED" appears on-screen and one must type "human" to unlock
10:58 kakobrekla >PawSense normally recognizes a cat on the keyboard within one or two pawsteps
10:58 kakobrekla ha!
10:58 kakobrekla disable nkro and see how you do :D
10:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.18199999 = 0.91 BTC [+] {2}
11:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 775 @ 0.0075 = 5.8125 BTC [+]
11:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 1001 @ 0.0075 = 7.5075 BTC [+] {2}
11:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 93 @ 0.0075 = 0.6975 BTC [+]
11:23 mike_c ^ 50% above mkt price..
11:24 kakobrekla hm?
11:24 kakobrekla ;;t h rent
11:25 gribble Error: This url is not on the whitelist.
11:25 kakobrekla !t h rent
11:25 assbot [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00400080 / 0.00658679 / 0.00750000 (2927 shares, 19.27954758 BTC), 7D: 0.00383331 / 0.00587807 / 0.00750000 (4188 shares, 24.61737394 BTC), 30D: 0.00320001 / 0.00466943 / 0.00750000 (13039 shares, 60.88467446 BTC)
11:25 ThickAsThieves they closed the normal market again for the "IPO"
11:26 * kakobrekla does not understand these shenanigans
11:27 mats_cd03 b-but, 'equity shares'
11:28 fluffypony !up Mrstickball
11:28 ThickAsThieves to be fair, it *should* go up when btcusd goes down
11:29 fluffypony !up Mrstickball
11:29 fluffypony silly bot
11:29 Mrstickball thanks
11:29 Mrstickball they are unsold shares from his last tranche of shares
11:29 punkman why is anyone buying at .0075 instead of waiting until after IPO?
11:29 Mrstickball punkman: new equity-bearing shares, and raises EPS guidance
11:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 118 @ 0.17048958 = 20.1178 BTC [-] {16}
11:30 punkman Mrstickball: are the old ones not equity-bearing?
11:30 Mrstickball they are as well, AFAIK
11:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 82 @ 0.16410326 = 13.4565 BTC [-] {13}
11:31 nubbins` here's their SEC filing for this IPO
11:31 nubbins` http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1615433/000161543314000001/xslFormDX01/primary_doc.xml
11:31 assbot SEC FORM D
11:32 nubbins` "Minimum investment accepted from any outside investor$10,000 USD"
11:32 nubbins` i guess for these purposes havelock would be the "investor"
11:32 ThickAsThieves sounds right, from what i recall about how havelock wanted to do thinks
11:32 ThickAsThieves things
11:33 nubbins` innnnteresting
11:33 nubbins` ah, yeah
11:33 nubbins` "Regardless of whether securities in the offering have been or may be sold to persons who do not qualify as accredited investors, enter the total number of investors who already have invested in the offering: 1"
11:34 ThickAsThieves lol, SEC filing for a 1to1 deal?
11:35 ThickAsThieves not sure if that's normal
11:36 thestringpuller !t h rent
11:36 assbot [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00400080 / 0.00659606 / 0.00750000 (2957 shares, 19.50454758 BTC), 7D: 0.00383331 / 0.00588961 / 0.00750000 (4218 shares, 24.84237394 BTC), 30D: 0.00320001 / 0.00467593 / 0.00750000 (13069 shares, 61.10967446 BTC)
11:36 thestringpuller jeezus
11:36 ThickAsThieves my wife is all 'maybe this bitcoin thing isnt such a good idea' because we have to pay cap gains tax
11:37 thestringpuller can't people just throw up shares at 0.0075
11:37 ThickAsThieves I attempted to explain that all income is taxed and most at that rate
11:37 thestringpuller ThickAsThieves: well cap gains on bitcoin is really high like both on income + property
11:37 ThickAsThieves same as "ordinary income:
11:37 ThickAsThieves "
11:37 ThickAsThieves she feels a "real job" to pay less taxes...
11:38 thestringpuller my accountant was like "If you want fiat you're gonna get double taxed since some of this btc was earned through working"
11:38 ThickAsThieves i should get*
11:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0075 = 0.75 BTC [+]
11:38 xmj ThickAsThieves: are you kidding me lol
11:38 thestringpuller which is like close to 50%
11:38 ThickAsThieves your accountant sounds like he misunderstands something
11:38 * xmj would love to work for Bitcoin, btw
11:38 ThickAsThieves you dont pay income tax twice
11:38 thestringpuller no you don't
11:38 thestringpuller you pay income tax
11:38 thestringpuller THEN you pay cap gains tax on property
11:39 thestringpuller if the btc you receive appreciates
11:39 ThickAsThieves right, buit it wouldnt be profit after you got paid in it
11:39 ThickAsThieves it cant be both
11:40 thestringpuller they want both taxes apparently?
11:40 mats_cd03 why don't you just convert it to cash
11:40 thestringpuller ~_~
11:40 thestringpuller i'm just going to continue to hide it
11:40 ThickAsThieves lol
11:40 thestringpuller under my mattress and pretend i am broke colelge student still
11:42 ThickAsThieves best part is, she wants me to sell more bitcoins to pay the taxes
11:42 ThickAsThieves i'm like, you now i'll have to pay taxes on those too right?
11:42 ThickAsThieves know*
11:42 teward thestringpuller: isnt that on the sale of capital? i.e. capital gains at the time of sale.
11:42 ThickAsThieves its not a gain til you get the cash
11:43 teward at least in the USA, we get taxed that as part of our income tax, but depending on the length of the ownership of the item which gets you capital gains, there's different tax rates
11:43 ThickAsThieves are the people that paid you in bitcoin issuing a 1099?
11:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-sociology/
11:45 assbot A complete theory of sociology pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
11:45 asciilifeform neato!
11:45 * asciilifeform reads
11:45 mircea_popescu <ThickAsThieves> "VC's will write $10M checks after 3 weeks of knowing someone, and there is 0% legit fraud there." << what's ilegit fraud ? fraudy-fraud ?
11:46 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> vinyl record wallet << good art project, << tis the art project that caught my eye
11:46 ThickAsThieves theyre just words mp, dont dig too deep!
11:46 ThickAsThieves words are like crayons, you can make anything you want, in any color you want
11:46 rithm i like to make money disappear
11:47 * rithm is waaaay overextended purposefully
11:47 thestringpuller teward: yea if you own the property for X amount of time the capital gains taxes are waived. This is a loophole for homeowners, btc falls under the same statutes. But you still have to pay income tax on income from BTC. I.e. i get paid in BTC as part of some employment contract. The receipt of those coins needs to be claimed with the IRS and then you gotta pay whatever during income tax.
11:47 thestringpuller They gray area of course is if you never liquidate...
11:48 ThickAsThieves it's not gray
11:48 ThickAsThieves when you convert to fiat, if there's gain, there's tax due, if not, then not
11:49 ThickAsThieves also there is no loophole
11:49 ThickAsThieves you pay long OR short term rate
11:49 thestringpuller yes but that's not included if say you pay me X BTC to mow your lawn all year and I don't convert BTC to fiat
11:49 asciilifeform there is an ancient law involved. 'не пойман — не вор' - 'not caught -- not thief.' known in english lands, if i'm not mistaken, as 'the eleventh commandment.'
11:49 ThickAsThieves why would you report underthetable income?
11:49 teward thestringpuller: that's a gray area that you could argue in the tax courts, but you're right. if you don't liquidate the BTC and hold the BTC for over one fiscal year then those bitcoins are only subject to the capital gains tax as well as the income tax IF the liquidation occurs during that fiscal year. At any later date after the BTC has been held for a year it should be the case that it's THEN capital gains taxed.
11:49 thestringpuller additionally as property if you own said property for X amount of time (i don't know the exact figure in this state), you get the capital gains waived.
11:50 mircea_popescu peterl> would letting a 2-yo type be a good random generator? << nah.
11:50 teward thestringpuller: if we want to be truly logical about analyzing this situation... then lets look at state taxes as well
11:50 teward thestringpuller: in theory you're paying four taxes on that BTC income, state and federal income, and then capital gains for both
11:51 thestringpuller yea the loophole is just to hold and liquidate after the expiration of capital gains.
11:51 teward ehhhhhhhhhhh that's not entirely accurate
11:51 teward capital gains can be done in the long term, the rate is just LOWER for the tax. at least in the US
11:51 mircea_popescu <punkman> why is anyone buying at .0075 instead of waiting until after IPO? << or even having waited for a day BEFORE the ipo ?
11:51 mircea_popescu it was actully discussed here etc.
11:51 teward thestringpuller: differs state-to-state but you have to look at the 'two tax laws' imposed, one being state, one being federal :/
11:52 asciilifeform this - is riotously funny. this is like watching german jews in '36 sit around a table and talk about how they'll 'game the system.'
11:52 kakobrekla <mircea_popescu> peterl> would letting a 2-yo type be a good random generator? << nah. < better than 12-yo and prolly even 22.
11:52 thestringpuller People who have owned a house for 20-30 years and it's escalated in value are not subject to capital gains. (I know this to be true because I know many people who have sold their houses for more than they bought them and have not gotten taxed for it. The only tax attached to the transaction is sales tax on the buyer).
11:52 asciilifeform when the dekulakization squad wants your usd - they'll take it.
11:52 thestringpuller that's only in this state
11:53 mircea_popescu * xmj would love to work for Bitcoin, btw <<< sure, but doing what.
11:53 thestringpuller asciilifeform: when the dekulakization squad wants your usd << hence not holding usd
11:53 nubbins` what is a usd?
11:53 nubbins` also, just discovered bitpremier
11:53 asciilifeform nubbins`: usa dollar
11:53 nubbins` alf, i was joking D:
11:54 ThickAsThieves bitpremier is connected to secondmarket guy
11:54 ThickAsThieves his brother or something
11:54 nubbins` ThickAsThieves yeah, last name sounded familiar
11:54 nubbins` dilbert or silbert or something
11:54 mircea_popescu <ThickAsThieves> my wife is all 'maybe this bitcoin thing isnt such a good idea' << if i had to take a bet on the matter, it'd go like so : it has exactly zero to do with any rationalisation she comes up with and everything to do with how annoyingly you've changed since getting involved with these loser geeks.
11:54 teward thestringpuller: keep in mind homes are governed under separate rules as well
11:54 teward thestringpuller: there's a lot of home-specific laws and tax rules that other capital gains aren't included under
11:54 ThickAsThieves mp that is in the mix, yes
11:54 ThickAsThieves but i suspect it goes even deeper
11:54 nubbins` even deeper!
11:54 ThickAsThieves ...
11:55 ThickAsThieves hehe
11:55 asciilifeform ThickAsThieves, mircea_popescu: 'taken up with the wrong crowd', lol
11:55 nubbins` p is very much the opposite
11:55 mircea_popescu there's deeper than that ?!
11:55 nubbins` sell my btc and i'll cut you, etc
11:55 ThickAsThieves she doesnt know the half of you guys, for one
11:55 mircea_popescu nubbins` not everyone's hitched it with a slut yo.
11:55 ThickAsThieves for two, i'm starting to feel like no aamount of money (in bitcoin) will be real to her
11:55 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves time to go read up on game, frame, hand and all that.
11:56 thestringpuller buy her a diamond ring on bitpremier
11:56 thestringpuller call it a night
11:56 nubbins` heh
11:56 nubbins` buy her a copy of the jan 3 2009 times
11:56 nubbins` even better
11:56 ThickAsThieves mp wassat?
11:56 ThickAsThieves dude she got a new suv, solar panels, hw floors, vacations
11:57 ThickAsThieves it's not about the material things
11:57 asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: no aamount of money (in bitcoin) will be real << to make it feel 'real', convert to a tangible. like an swift escape rocket from usaschwitz
11:58 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves well sadly they're pua concepts, but they already wrote fiddy billion words on the topic since 2010 and im too lazy to re-write the shit in 100k. especially since in the 5bn words they actually did cover 90% of the 100k, and you should be able to filter.
11:58 mircea_popescu asciilifeform his won't come.
11:58 ThickAsThieves yeah but i have no idea where to look
11:58 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: his wife wants to remain behind the wire?
11:58 asciilifeform ThickAsThieves - ?
11:59 ThickAsThieves she does
11:59 ThickAsThieves she's the only reason i'm still here
11:59 thestringpuller can't you just kidnap her?
11:59 thestringpuller move to argentina
11:59 asciilifeform what does she want in usa ?
11:59 thestringpuller not that I condone kidnapping
11:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.27202039 BTC to 15`091 shares, 8429 satoshi per share
11:59 mircea_popescu yeah srsly, what do you want from me. im not hiding any kidnapped us chicks for you folks.
11:59 ThickAsThieves some people are happy in the system
12:00 ThickAsThieves she has her family, a job she likes, etc
12:00 mircea_popescu in fairness, she's probably getting more for her buck there than in any possible alternative.
12:00 mircea_popescu argentina included.
12:00 penguirker New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/09/18/you-cant-elect-strong-shepherds-and-you-cant-produce-anything-of-value-without-them/
12:00 penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-sociology/
12:00 ThickAsThieves it really isnt about the money
12:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 8.53291096 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 742 satoshi per share
12:00 ThickAsThieves she makes plenty on her own
12:00 mircea_popescu "more" didn't mean money.
12:00 thestringpuller "happiness" ???
12:00 mircea_popescu respec, attention, the feeling of doing the right thing, we
12:01 thestringpuller impregnate her and take the kid to argentina
12:01 thestringpuller again not condoning kidnapping
12:01 thestringpuller just saying
12:01 ThickAsThieves i think it's something like 'social relevance' or justifying ones own existence
12:01 mircea_popescu kakobrekla not really, cause small kid tends to paw, and clustered keys is one of the main enemies of entropy
12:01 ThickAsThieves having kids didnt work out for us
12:01 kakobrekla slightly bigger tend to dict.
12:02 * asciilifeform remembers old engravings of circus bears playing organs
12:02 thestringpuller asciilifeform must be russian
12:02 nubbins` ThickAsThieves so divest all your btc and pick up a hobby
12:02 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves http://rationalmale.wordpress.com/ start there follow links ?
12:02 mircea_popescu this is more reading than the logs tho
12:03 asciilifeform thestringpuller: actually these were, if i recall, german. 17th-18th c.
12:03 ThickAsThieves mp this is the path to the hand frame concepts?
12:03 mircea_popescu well it's one of their luminaries.
12:03 ThickAsThieves and you can provide no overview?
12:04 mircea_popescu alternatively could use http://www.returnofkings.com/ or http://heartiste.wordpress.com/
12:04 assbot Return Of Kings - For masculine men
12:04 assbot Chateau Heartiste
12:04 mircea_popescu well if i could condense it in 500 words i would have already.
12:05 ThickAsThieves seems like the quest you are sending me on is "to understand woman"
12:05 ThickAsThieves a quest one probly dies along before completing...
12:05 mircea_popescu nah, just some keywords in a specific set of... philosophy is muchly said, but anyway. worldview
12:05 ThickAsThieves word
12:05 mircea_popescu there's this group of people, who figure they've figured out women. they're not entirely correct, but they do have some good points.
12:06 mircea_popescu and since we're on the topic, it's fucking incredible to me how abandonedly they link to each other.
12:06 ThickAsThieves i could probly just learn more about her mom and map onto her
12:06 mircea_popescu it's not even a matter of, some people in a conclave circle jerking
12:06 mike_c i can confirm that a 1 yr old is terrible random number generator. they focus on a small subset of keys and bang.
12:06 mircea_popescu no, they link to nobodies, to beginners, to people in their comments, they link like their fucking life depends on it
12:06 mircea_popescu i suspect it's exactly the only reason they eked into a modicum of relevancy for the social discourse
12:07 mircea_popescu meanwhile "the press" avoids linking to people like the plague, as the quoted piece from maddox yest showed. and i suspect this has a lot to do with their collapse, it's not the internet, is that they misunderstood the importance of reference.
12:07 ThickAsThieves i can see it now "whatcha reading, babe?" "The Ugly Reality Of Open Relationships"
12:07 asciilifeform they link to nobodies, to beginners << unmistakeable, dire sign of a field not yet (and perhaps never) mature. you need some beginnings of a fissure between the alchemists and the chemists, astrologists and astronomers.
12:08 asciilifeform if they all 'link to each other' - you have only alchemy, astrology.
12:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform is what i thought too, 2011ish. but here's the thing : these people now do book deals,
12:08 mircea_popescu they saw money.
12:08 mircea_popescu and they STILL behave correctly.
12:08 mircea_popescu my own pet theory, which you may laugh at as you will, is that the difference is the investment of hate. these people hate women, fundamentally, and as such they no longer need to look out for enemies, and so everyone else is a friend.
12:09 mircea_popescu the press meanwhile knows no greater enemy than... another press outlet, especially in the same market
12:09 thestringpuller isn't that the case with any industry?
12:09 mircea_popescu the investment of hate results in online success, the failure to invest it results in online failure.
12:09 asciilifeform press also has enemies it can, as a whole, agree on. untermenschen, if you like. some things 'it would not do' to print.
12:09 mircea_popescu no, it does not. it seems to, but it does not.
12:10 mircea_popescu consider what that "unfit to print" was in 1950, and in 1975, and in 2000.
12:10 asciilifeform ;;google autosaurus ad
12:10 mircea_popescu meanwhile, the pua people DO have things they'll never print.
12:10 gribble Autosaurus - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff7aj2ZItuk>; Adbusters - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adbusters>; Sim City: Auto-Saurus-Rex, Volcano, UFO's in Spacington! - Spacing ...: <http://spacing.ca/atlantic/2012/06/08/sim-city-auto-saurus-rex-volcano-ufos-in-spacington/>
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12:10 asciilifeform ^ trivial example
12:10 * mircea_popescu is unconvinced.
12:11 asciilifeform or, also trivial example, that chinese sub off the californian coast.
12:11 ThickAsThieves ;;ticker
12:11 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 428.8, Best ask: 428.85, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 428.8, 24 hour volume: 12826.14394427, 24 hour low: 428.8, 24 hour high: 455.29, 24 hour vwap: 444.293570279
12:11 asciilifeform or, or.
12:12 mircea_popescu http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=abc_classy << referenced maddox piece, for the convenience of the students of the future.
12:12 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, see, those are circumstantial. it's not about the press. if the chinese took over tomorrow it'd be all over the washington post.
12:12 asciilifeform certainly the tabloids would love to print a sensational turd about the sub. but then editor's phone rings, and 'editors can also have problems'
12:12 mircea_popescu i'm talking about things that are fundamental, not mere convention built atop and supported on nothing really.
12:12 asciilifeform aha!
12:13 asciilifeform fundamental to press per se ?
12:13 mircea_popescu yes.
12:13 asciilifeform then yes.
12:13 mircea_popescu quite.
12:17 mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oftOCN1jkNo
12:17 assbot Ali G - Feminism - YouTube
12:17 thestringpuller ali g in da house
12:20 Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 85(Y):15(N) by coin, 87(Y):13(N) by weight. Total bet: 1316.66146022 BTC. Current weight: 44,517.
12:23 asciilifeform 'Because apparently nobody creates anything anymore, and it all belongs to Facebook, Twitter, Reddit and Instagram, right assholes?' << this is fundamental.
12:23 xmj hahahahaha now that's a weird bet.
12:24 asciilifeform imagine if actual, scientifically-honest medicine were entirely forgotten, and the licensing authorities in your country permitted only witch doctors, whose main remedy is blood-letting.
12:24 asciilifeform (some people see this as something which has already happened, but that's besides the point of the example)
12:24 asciilifeform is the answer for king to decree 'anyone may call himself a man of medicine' ?
12:26 ThickAsThieves everyone already does, post-webmd
12:26 asciilifeform now let's say actual medicinal practice reappears, in underground hideouts of a kind.
12:27 ThickAsThieves sounds like a revolution
12:27 asciilifeform except - no
12:27 asciilifeform shamans, if clever, will merely crib from the deviants as needed.
12:27 asciilifeform while continuing to oversee the latter - hanged.
12:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 41 @ 0.16102536 = 6.602 BTC [-] {2}
12:28 asciilifeform i'd argue that this situation is intrinsic to the very idea of having stable 'institutions' like 'official medicine'
12:28 asciilifeform or 'official media'
12:29 Bet placed: 250 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 72(Y):28(N) by coin, 80(Y):20(N) by weight. Total bet: 1566.66146022 BTC. Current weight: 44,515.
12:29 asciilifeform so long as your 'throne' (kingly, ministerial, city-dogcatcher, commissioner of farts, etc) is a thing - and isn't constantly probing your arse for worthiness to sit thereon - it will behave this way.
12:29 ThickAsThieves buffet discovered bitbet!
12:29 TomServo Wow - that's a big one!
12:29 Duffer1 hehe
12:29 Duffer1 mp hedging? :P
12:29 ThickAsThieves yeah right
12:29 asciilifeform buterin.
12:30 ThickAsThieves i hope buterin and friends dont think they can surpress price THAT long
12:30 asciilifeform thousand-year reich.
12:30 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> is the answer for king to decree 'anyone may call himself a man of medicine' ? << yes, actually.
12:30 ThickAsThieves marshall law
12:30 pete_dushenski ThickAsThieves: why not? gold has been suppressed for decades
12:30 mircea_popescu the only correct response to one that wishes to impress you with meaningless bloodletting is MORE bloodletting, better directed.
12:30 mircea_popescu not less.
12:31 ThickAsThieves because you have to actually control the gold
12:31 asciilifeform ^ right. but this answer unhappily tickles all the folks who think they like 'hierarchy'
12:31 mircea_popescu tough for them
12:31 pete_dushenski ThickAsThieves: only sorta. paper gold and market fixing abounds.
12:32 asciilifeform for reference - my theory of 'buterin's waterfall' >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2014#832194
12:32 assbot Logged on 17-09-2014 15:50:00; asciilifeform: had a thought. usg's btc price dampener strategy has no clear endgame - the 'ethereum' thing will carry on while the usd printing press runs, because it stands to reason they are running both the sell and -buy- ends of the machine. 'arse-mouth system.'
12:32 mircea_popescu check it out, mike_c's advertising bitbet :D
12:32 TomServo Shouldn't this supposed ETH dump be coming from: https://blockchain.info/charts/balance?address=36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2 ?
12:32 assbot Bitcoin Balance of bitcoin address: 36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2
12:32 mircea_popescu Duffer1> mp hedging? :P << wasn't me.
12:32 mike_c i sent the link to warren, we're tight.
12:33 asciilifeform TomServo: these folks are not necessarily brilliant schemers, but they have the basics nailed down. such as how to trade 'interesting' coin for 'boring' coin.
12:33 asciilifeform (meatspace trades - outside the blockchain)
12:33 pete_dushenski mike_c: lol
12:33 asciilifeform this is why the sr dekulakization hoard appears to 'sit still'
12:34 kakobrekla bitcoin holders are sheep. you only need to announce the sell to drop the price, not actually sell.
12:34 mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyLSstqMvH8
12:34 assbot Ali G Show - Feminism - YouTube
12:35 asciilifeform so, for the record, what i'll call 'buterin's waterfall' - picture a water-powered vacuum aspirator pump, of a kind used in school chemistry class.
12:35 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: don't you read teh logs?
12:35 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski i do ?
12:35 mircea_popescu what'd i miss ?
12:35 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: you posting the same thing ;)
12:36 asciilifeform water is pumped from a tank up, and then flows down a pipe back into the tank. in the down pipe, there's a spigot to the side, where a vacuum forms - water carries away air.
12:36 mircea_popescu shit bad link ?
12:36 ThickAsThieves i'm not convinced there's anything at play but a lack of new bitcoin buyers
12:36 asciilifeform so you get a vacuum that is about as good as the water's vapour pressure at the room's temperature & pressure. not bad. cheap. if you remember school - you used this 'medieval' gadget.
12:36 ThickAsThieves traders trading traders will drive price down
12:36 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski not the same link, just the same title.
12:37 asciilifeform so we have 'buterin's waterfall.' ingredient - a fat bag of coin. (where found? sr coins traded for 'boring' coin with no peculiar blockchain history - plus gov. mining, other confiscations, etc.)
12:37 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: o you so sneaky
12:38 asciilifeform herr buterin takes the bag of coin, and places it on markets largely controlled ( http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2014#832201 ) by usg.
12:38 assbot Logged on 17-09-2014 15:56:55; mircea_popescu: ensure too strong a word. but suppose you don't let terrorists run their own exchanges, nor deposit to yours.
12:38 asciilifeform at slightly lowballed price. shills (perl scripts) then 'buy' the coin at these prices.
12:39 asciilifeform knob is turned, lowball bid is lowered still, shills continue to buy
12:39 kakobrekla why would they announce it and not use the collected coin (ether). its a give away
12:39 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the joke being, of course, that bitcoin had an otc market larger than the exchanges back in 2012.
12:39 asciilifeform the 'vapour' carried away is the coin that is panic-sold by civilians
12:39 mircea_popescu and that was before mtgox collapsed.
12:39 mircea_popescu to imagine the entire set of noob exchanges today have 50% of the volume of mtgox in 2012 is to overstate things.
12:39 asciilifeform the controlled market will allow the entry of sizeable parcels coin, but not of usd; and the egress of usd, but not of coin.
12:40 mircea_popescu that means they're playing with confederate bills somewhere in the nebraska territory of bitcoin
12:40 mircea_popescu good for them and who ever cares ?
12:40 ThickAsThieves fwiw the larger SR coin address was dumped the same day that Draper got his coins
12:40 ThickAsThieves https://blockchain.info/address/1FfmbHfnpaZjKFvyi1okTjJJusN455paPH?filter=1
12:40 assbot Bitcoin Address 1FfmbHfnpaZjKFvyi1okTjJJusN455paPH
12:40 mircea_popescu of course nonsensical bs like "a perfectly fair price index" would get approved by the sec, bec, dec and heck in short order.
12:40 mircea_popescu so what of it, etc.
12:41 ThickAsThieves well maybe they decided to fill all bidders
12:41 ThickAsThieves or have been selling the stash
12:41 los_pantalones ThickAsThieves i can confirm not everyone was filled
12:41 ThickAsThieves word
12:42 los_pantalones and i can confirm we were much better bid than SM
12:42 ThickAsThieves maybe draper voluntasrily bid on the whole lot
12:42 los_pantalones to no avail
12:42 ThickAsThieves and thats why they havent released deets
12:42 mircea_popescu los_pantalones can you actually confirm what you bid ?
12:42 los_pantalones noop
12:42 ThickAsThieves cuz his condition was to give him time to sell em all
12:42 mircea_popescu rounded to something or other ?
12:42 los_pantalones it was within 5% of the market on the day
12:42 mircea_popescu up or down ?
12:42 los_pantalones below
12:43 ThickAsThieves interesting
12:43 mircea_popescu better than nothing, danke.
12:43 nubbins` figured they'd go for above market rates
12:43 los_pantalones i think they did
12:43 mircea_popescu nubbins` if you recall that bet is still in contention.
12:43 mircea_popescu los_pantalones not that much room in 5%
12:44 ThickAsThieves i like this theory, what if Draper actually bid less than everyone, but for all 160k or so coins
12:44 mircea_popescu what happened was that one favoured party got the benefit of "match the best offer we get", is the problem.
12:44 los_pantalones nah but we assumed all the SM buyers would have blue balls and pay up after they lost
12:44 mircea_popescu and for that people will have to do hard time.
12:44 los_pantalones he's def not a gov't favorite
12:44 los_pantalones he's trying to breakup cali if you recall
12:45 nubbins` azul huevos
12:45 ThickAsThieves what does gov care about cali states
12:45 mircea_popescu ^
12:45 asciilifeform imho, it was not a sale, but a trade. hence the bid circus
12:45 mircea_popescu that shit's going nowhere, suddenly they found extra utility for all the moles placed in random shitholes.
12:46 ThickAsThieves dafuck, they need to fulfill this FOIA already
12:46 asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: ministry of truth has to make up some truthy truth first
12:47 ThickAsThieves just like the NYDFS currently creating months of research they supposedly did in the Spring
12:47 mircea_popescu no they really did it
12:48 mircea_popescu it just was in some emails they lost is all.
12:48 ThickAsThieves you mena they read someone else's?
12:48 ThickAsThieves oh
12:48 mircea_popescu they were cohosting with the irs
12:48 los_pantalones haha
12:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: bitcoin had an otc market larger than the exchanges back in 2012 << this is where, at least from my jail's eye view, the buggers - won. as usaschwitz inmate, otc doesn't even exist for me. in order for it to exist - i'd have to become embroiled in handling suitcases of benjies in meatspace. precisely the kind of thing агентурная работа is optimized to roll up participants of.
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12:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you're lieing to yourself. in point of fact, on the strength of your wot rating yo ucan participate just fine.
12:49 ThickAsThieves i dont really understand how US otc market exists
12:49 ThickAsThieves regarding published attempts at least
12:49 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: participate how?
12:50 ThickAsThieves like craigslist, localbitcoins
12:50 los_pantalones ThickAsThieves why ?
12:50 nubbins` i think localbtc does a lotta biz
12:50 asciilifeform 90% of my living expenses are not even payable in paper money.
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12:50 ThickAsThieves because it's prime money-laundering activity
12:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform well i suppose i misread. yes, as a internal-regulations-abiding inmate, it doesn't exist for you.
12:50 los_pantalones not if you document it, which is really quite easy to do
12:50 xmj asciilifeform: how do you pay them? bank transfer?
12:50 los_pantalones wire
12:50 asciilifeform ^ yeah
12:50 ThickAsThieves so if you do AML essentially
12:51 asciilifeform so, there's a compliant bank in the loop.
12:51 los_pantalones there are still plenty of those
12:51 xmj huh
12:51 asciilifeform so, where inmate turns, jailer - friendly winks.
12:51 xmj how in gods name do you pay for food with wires
12:51 asciilifeform food - could buy with paper
12:51 asciilifeform rent - no
12:51 xmj you pay food with creditcard and pay creditcard with wires?
12:51 ThickAsThieves yeah
12:51 xmj asciilifeform: former apartment i paid rent with paper actually
12:52 xmj asciilifeform: ... my landlord wanted it so. :)
12:52 asciilifeform xmj: this works if you live in physically reachable distance of landlord
12:52 xmj well two hours.
12:52 nubbins` i prefer to receive rent via interac e-transfer
12:52 xmj but, yeah, i know what you mean.
12:52 asciilifeform mine - lives on other side of continent.
12:52 nubbins` not everyone likes doing it tho :/
12:52 nubbins` i suppose this is a foreign concept to you non-canadians
12:52 xmj asciilifeform: mine - lives on another continent.
12:52 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves you gotta understand the otc market is really a bunch of large players, in us fiat.
12:53 xmj asciilifeform: know anyone hiring sysadmins for BTC? >:)
12:53 mircea_popescu three govt owned banks pushing govt script back and forth, what exactly is going to be so laundery about that ?
12:53 asciilifeform xmj: if i knew, i'd become a sysadmin.
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12:53 ThickAsThieves so basically if you are an otc seller, you just gotta watch out for buyers saying suspicious things, as they may be agents
12:53 bounce this popped up somewhere, curiously not dated though: http://www.digitalcitizensalliance.org/cac/alliance/content.aspx?page=cyberlockers
12:53 assbot Digital Citizens Alliance
12:54 mircea_popescu i think the prime of "we're selling bitcoin to pay for stolen credit cards" is come and gone.
12:54 asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: you aren't thinking big enough. 'agents' or not, if you're feeding into or from a usd bank at the end of the day, you're in panopticon.
12:54 bounce as in, pressure group pays "experts" to "prove" teh intarwebz are full of badness. still. again. whatever.
12:54 ThickAsThieves how about to launder drug money?
12:54 ThickAsThieves or such
12:54 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves they were trying that shit, mostly to elicit new information, some vague hope to make jury think onoes realbadman.
12:55 mircea_popescu but it didn't really go anywhere. they got too much drivel and the judges don't really get impressed.
12:55 mircea_popescu so no longer fashionable.
12:55 nubbins` i don't know why people think big-time drug logistics and btc overlap in any significant way
12:55 ThickAsThieves i'm not exactly clear why money laundering is even illegal
12:55 xmj that's easy
12:55 mircea_popescu because money is worthless.
12:55 los_pantalones ThickAsThieves control
12:55 mircea_popescu nubbins` idiots ?
12:55 * nubbins` shrugs
12:55 xmj because the things you do to require laundering money is illegal
12:55 xmj black markets
12:55 nubbins` small-time, sure. no sweat. big-time, nuh-uh
12:55 asciilifeform ThickAsThieves, others - if your objective is not merely to avoid committing an indictable crime under american law as your lawyer was taught it, but to hide your wealth from total dekulakization - you cannot solve this problem without a closed arse-mouth btc cycle
12:55 nubbins` look at what happened to SR when they tried to move big amounts
12:55 xmj or legal, but you're doing it off-time off-regulation off-taxes
12:55 asciilifeform where you forget what usd even was.
12:55 xmj grey markets
12:56 xmj "shadow economy".
12:56 mircea_popescu nubbins` since when is 1kg a big amount ?
12:56 nubbins` since SR was geared towards end-users
12:56 nubbins` no coke user is buying in 1kg bricks
12:56 nubbins` they're buying an 8ball
12:56 ThickAsThieves speak for yourself!
12:56 ThickAsThieves jk
12:56 nubbins` heh
12:57 mircea_popescu the point remains.
12:57 xmj "jk"
12:57 xmj ^ truthtalk marked by "jk"-- always
12:57 ThickAsThieves cocaine laundering
12:57 nubbins` the point of the site was to let suburbia buy drugs without having to interact with dealers
12:57 xmj well because dealers are shady
12:57 ThickAsThieves and unreliable
12:57 nubbins` what moron is going to risk his dick losing a kilo on some website?
12:57 xmj that's why they're dealers.
12:57 mircea_popescu well something like that. "let suburbia buy drugs while interacting with dealers on social media" was the idea
12:57 xmj also they live with their moms.
12:58 bounce every. last. one. of. them.
12:58 ThickAsThieves except for bingoboingo
12:58 mircea_popescu he lives with his dog ?
12:59 nubbins` maybe
12:59 bounce but it's kinda interesting to see how money is now guilty until proven innocent. all in the name of fighting droogs and terrism and whatever.
12:59 mircea_popescu bounce no dude. that's how they rationalize it, but really, the problem is the money is worthless. to maintain its appearance of value, its use has to be limited
12:59 nubbins` anyway, if you find yourself in possession of 1kg of cocaine, you know how to get rid of it already. if you find yourself looking to buy 1kg of cocaine, you're NOT doing it online
12:59 mircea_popescu and its use in free markets first of all.
12:59 mircea_popescu then in all markets, and so on.
13:00 nubbins` other hand: if you're some kid living in the middle of idaho and you want to try LSD...
13:00 mircea_popescu nubbins` you go to college ?
13:00 bounce "limited", in what way? "quantitative easing" type limiting?
13:00 nubbins` here we call it "university" ;D
13:00 mircea_popescu bounce no, as in "you may not buy candy with it"
13:01 mircea_popescu here are "your" ten dollars and here's the list of things you may trade it for.
13:01 mircea_popescu don't trade it for other things and you won't know how worthless it is.
13:01 ThickAsThieves how does btc stand a chance of avoiding all this? cant "goxcoins" be created and contained so as to depress market?
13:02 bounce well I won't say no to a sack of that worthless money. a milliard or two should do.
13:02 mircea_popescu they have the same thing in argentina, it's called "precios cuidados". you can buy cheap shitty rice and w/e for pesos as if the official rate were meaningfull.
13:02 mircea_popescu otherwise shit is 50% more expensive
13:02 Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 26(Y):74(N) by coin, 24(Y):76(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.49991689 BTC. Current weight: 54,425.
13:02 Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $400 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1029/ Odds: 36(Y):64(N) by coin, 25(Y):75(N) by weight. Total bet: 18.68931212 BTC. Current weight: 15,690.
13:02 asciilifeform you're NOT doing it online << but if you could - you would. the number one ingredient for 'humint' rollups of whatever thing usg dislikes - is to get people to drag their earthly carcasses out into the physical open, where they can be 'controlled buy' operated and arrested.
13:02 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves well sure, that's what ethereum is trying to achieve.
13:02 asciilifeform if cocaine could teleport - it would be as ubiquitous and invulnerable as w4r3z.
13:03 bounce what're you saying, proposing to scam the gullible for the good of the many? what how now?
13:03 ThickAsThieves i guess that's why we already see huge premiums on OTC (real) coins
13:03 nubbins` ;;bc,xau
13:03 gribble 1 XAU = 1227.300000000000 USD = 2.90746707098 BTC
13:03 thestringpuller ;;google XAU
13:03 gribble ^XAU: Summary for PHLX Gold/Silver Sector- Yahoo! Finance: <http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EXAU>; XAU - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XAU>; XAU - Kitco: <http://www.kitco.com/pop_windows/stocks/xau.html>
13:03 ben_vulpes * xmj would love to work for Bitcoin, btw << wtf last time i offered to cut you checks in btc you were all "nah lets fuck around with retarded int'l payment processors"
13:03 thestringpuller ah
13:04 Bet placed: 250 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 62(Y):38(N) by coin, 74(Y):26(N) by weight. Total bet: 1816.66146022 BTC. Current weight: 44,508.
13:04 ThickAsThieves wha!
13:04 ThickAsThieves again?
13:04 xmj ben_vulpes: yes and since then i've had to deal with Skype, the IRS fuckers, and got around to set things up.
13:04 xmj ben_vulpes: I've TOLD you I'd love to work for BTC before.
13:04 bounce hmm.
13:04 mircea_popescu o.O
13:05 xmj er, replace skype with PayPal.
13:05 ThickAsThieves maybe someone made that quantum miner!
13:05 xmj fuckers.
13:05 mircea_popescu bitbet is having a totally shit month
13:05 Duffer1 interestingt
13:05 bounce oh, was about to mention something about running your own SIP
13:05 bounce (switch, ata hooked up to some service, whatever)
13:05 ThickAsThieves <+mircea_popescu> bitbet is having a totally shit month /// use your powers to make BTCUSD $700 again, all will be well
13:06 mircea_popescu o hey bitcoin outlets ? there've just been a quarter million dollars worth of btc bet within an hour. this is not news because you don't know where news in bitcoin breaks or because you don't know what news actually is ?
13:06 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves my powers only work when nobody mentions them.
13:06 ThickAsThieves sry
13:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform btw at some point ima want to hear what you thought!
13:06 bounce "don't mention the powers!"
13:06 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re: chumpatronics? it was very spiffy.
13:07 mircea_popescu bounce yeah i'm an unbelief god. like, most gods draw their power from believers believing.
13:07 mircea_popescu i, on the other hand...
13:07 bounce too bad our collective name is cleese
13:07 ThickAsThieves am the antichrist?
13:08 mircea_popescu "the pedestrian antichrist"
13:08 mircea_popescu dude where's my horse!
13:08 ThickAsThieves in qgyot
13:08 ThickAsThieves eqypt
13:08 ThickAsThieves ...
13:08 ThickAsThieves i type real good
13:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform im quite very fond of it!
13:08 asciilifeform ;;google i'm on a horse
13:08 gribble I'm On A Horse - The Song - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WMXeKzoGxg>; I'm on a Horse - Old Spice Commercial - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX5au0LOJp8>; I'm On A Horse - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsPwQVnlDg0>
13:08 xmj ;;google Scotland Independence Poll
13:08 gribble Scottish independence referendum - Poll Tracker - BBC News: <http://www.bbc.com/news/events/scotland-decides/poll-tracker>; BBC News - Scottish independence: Voting under way in referendum: <http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29238890>; Scottish independence referendum poll: the latest tracker - Telegraph: <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish- (1 more message)
13:09 xmj there we go.
13:09 mircea_popescu lol and of course the scream of late leech is at its place.
13:09 mike_c this activity is hurting kakobrekla's theory that bitbet need moar user friendly
13:09 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if you're thinking of a sequel, might be interesting to go into the biological hooks made use of by a qualified ce (chumpatronic engineer)
13:09 ben_vulpes <ThickAsThieves> i'm like, you now i'll have to pay taxes on those too right? << dude stop letting the wimmins make important decisions like dietary and financial structuring
13:09 asciilifeform specifically,
13:09 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2014#813153
13:09 assbot Logged on 28-08-2014 04:09:12; mircea_popescu: answer : because women. pregnancy is also -ev, and yet women do it. the same psychological complexes that control that can also yield amusing social results.
13:09 asciilifeform and the like.
13:10 ben_vulpes :P
13:10 mircea_popescu asciilifeform why me
13:10 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
13:10 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 420.0, Best ask: 420.05, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 420.0, 24 hour volume: 14195.12576169, 24 hour low: 420.0, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 442.041614288
13:10 xmj derp.
13:10 mircea_popescu i would guess the bitstamp ticker crossed the guy's whatever threshold
13:10 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: why me << because asciilifeform is about to tickle some very small holes in a teflon rod.
13:11 mircea_popescu there's more people here!
13:11 xmj ben_vulpes: btw, ive since learned that sending SWIFT wires is cheaper and more convenient than PayfuckingPal.
13:11 mircea_popescu dude you're a fucking idiot, seriously.
13:12 ThickAsThieves my prediction is the Wall St correction will begin just before BRK bet closes and mp will be laughing
13:12 ThickAsThieves and me with my 5btc bet at full weight
13:12 mircea_popescu so far it's looking pretty grim.
13:12 xmj BRK ?
13:13 ThickAsThieves lotsa months to go
13:13 mircea_popescu true
13:13 ThickAsThieves you have to believe in bitbet for it to work!
13:13 ThickAsThieves it can make diff go up to dizzying heights
13:14 ThickAsThieves just believe
13:14 mircea_popescu lol
13:14 mircea_popescu fcking nuts the diff bets already.
13:14 * bounce is supporting bitbet by not believing in the bets. nor actually betting.
13:14 ThickAsThieves after all, all coin in that bet supports a Yes outcome
13:15 ThickAsThieves since they cant sell the coins
13:15 mircea_popescu does anyone more versed in math have a ready replacement for sine and cosine in places where one wants a periodic but doesn't have the math resources to trig ?
13:15 bounce a trig table?
13:15 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves hm i suppose this perversion is true
13:15 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: flip-flop.
13:15 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you did say just want periodic...
13:16 mircea_popescu i misspoke., i don't care about that, it just has to be in a range
13:16 mircea_popescu which answers my q : hasing
13:16 mircea_popescu ty chan for listening
13:18 mike_c um, what about what everybody else does. lookup table.
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13:19 mircea_popescu fuck that, im too special for lookup tables
13:20 assbot Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3S4Y7FH.txt )
13:20 mthreat !b 1
13:20 asciilifeform for(t=u=85; ; t+=u>>2, u-=t>>2) pissout(t+128);
13:20 asciilifeform ^ sine.
13:20 asciilifeform to 5% or so
13:20 mthreat nice
13:20 asciilifeform do try.
13:20 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski "and unusually sane 46 years (1520-1566) atop the throne, certainly compared to his successors" << certainly what
13:20 mircea_popescu mthreat hater :D
13:21 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: his successors were all "only mommy can make me dinner so i know it's not poisoned"
13:21 mircea_popescu yes but you're missing an operand.
13:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform sadly i don't need it very precise, but it hastabe 0.3% or so.
13:22 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: limited resource << cpu time? code space? working space ? or all 3.
13:22 mircea_popescu aaaand i misspoke again. it has to produce about 300 different results is what i mean.
13:22 mircea_popescu which your thing definitely would wouldn't it.
13:23 asciilifeform what's the limited ingredient? because if 8 bit output resolution, 300 byte table.
13:23 mircea_popescu just clock cycles really
13:24 asciilifeform table then.
13:24 mircea_popescu BUT I R HAET
13:24 asciilifeform how would you propose to beat that, cycle-wise.
13:24 mircea_popescu the present state of computing science sucks!(tm)
13:24 bounce a trig table... in hardware!!!1!
13:24 mircea_popescu can't even beat a table.
13:24 kakobrekla you can flip it.
13:24 asciilifeform employ a mentat.
13:25 mircea_popescu fuck you guise, i'm going home.
13:26 mthreat there's a street near me called Guise
13:26 nubbins` 8 Guise
13:26 kakobrekla and full name "Fucked By"
13:27 mike_c hehe. "I don't have time" 'then use space' "I don't like space!"
13:27 asciilifeform mike_c: then use.. finesse.
13:27 mike_c physicists are probably looking for a 3rd option, but might take awhile.
13:28 kakobrekla <mike_c> this activity is hurting kakobrekla's theory that bitbet need moar user friendly < i dont like the combination of these letters
13:28 ThickAsThieves lol
13:28 asciilifeform 'the best machine is no machine' (herr altschuller's mega-epic 'suddenly, the inventor appeared.').
13:29 mike_c well, a valid question would be: how much user friendly would be required to pull in 500 btc in bets.
13:29 The20YearIRCloud punkman: RENT's NAV is right around .01btc/share, so there's some value to new shares @ the reduced amount even of .0075 with as low as BTC/USD is. It wasn't my preference to close down market, but if my investor indication goes through they'll all be sold within a week and the fund will be back to normal activity.
13:30 asciilifeform mike_c: how much beauty does hellen need to launch one-fifth of a ship ?
13:30 mike_c please, beauty. none. helen was a thin pretense.
13:30 asciilifeform ;;ud millihellen
13:30 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Millihelen | The quantity of beauty required to Launch one ship.
13:30 mike_c hehe
13:30 mircea_popescu <mike_c> physicists are probably looking for a 3rd option, but might take awhile. << all you need is love...
13:31 mike_c and wtf, doesn't helen have one l?
13:31 asciilifeform '...for the motherland, hate - for enemy'
13:31 mike_c ;;ud millihelen
13:31 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Millihelen | "Judith was no match for Helen of Troy, having on a few millihelens of beauty herself". by great ... Nice kid with a sweet personality; kinda plain tho'... a millihelen.
13:31 mircea_popescu 18<mike_c> please, beauty. none. helen was a thin pretense. << for what, gayola ?
13:32 * asciilifeform pops 'll' key, checks spring
13:33 asciilifeform llol.
13:33 mike_c helen was a thin pretense for the launching of ships. kinda like WMD.
13:33 The20YearIRCloud mircea_popescu: I got the posters today, I had a question about redemption of the prize or whatever - Do the claimants just get on here and post a link to a photo, are there any other requirements?
13:33 asciilifeform as is 'user friendly'
13:34 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud pretty much. we're going to limit it if there's anything looking like fraud, but otherwise, just show up in here and hold the poster up
13:34 kakobrekla you guys are oversimplifying.
13:34 mircea_popescu sorta like the tits thing worked, but without the tits.
13:35 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> as is 'user friendly' << no, he has it kakobrekla
13:35 mircea_popescu "user friendly" is a post hoc explanation just like "he's handsome&cool" is a pill against morning after remorse.
13:35 The20YearIRCloud nubbins`: Regarding our SEC filing, Havelock & FPAI act as intermediaries (Which the SEC allows) Separating the US entity from Havelock. Our laywer has run the setup through several other legal advisors at the SEC and they all feel it's the best setup for what we're doing.
13:36 mike_c kakobrekla: i felt like that conversation the other day started in the middle. what is your position exactly?
13:36 nubbins` yeah, that's what we figured
13:37 The20YearIRCloud mircea_popescu: I'm going to write up a letter/note and give a poster & instructions to each one of my tenants, then offer a discount if they use BTC to pay for their rent( even if it's a fraction of the rent). But that will only account for 15 of the 50 posters, so I was gonna run a few contests on our FB page (If that's ok with you?) for the remainder
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13:37 The20YearIRCloud Of course, keeping #1 for myself
13:37 nubbins` ^ heh
13:37 nubbins` i'll buy it off ya ;D
13:37 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud nah, keep them for further tenants.
13:37 The20YearIRCloud I'll sell #1 for 2btc
13:37 mircea_popescu you both expand and you'll see some churn, so.
13:38 The20YearIRCloud I
13:38 The20YearIRCloud I'd rather give a few away, it can take a while for us to churn through tenants & expand, running a contest would boost our FB page severely too :D
13:38 mircea_popescu well yes im sure it would, but the idea is for them to go to actual tenants.
13:39 The20YearIRCloud Which is why i brought it up with you now, as I don't want to give a few away and then them yell at me saying they couldn't claim their 0.1btc
13:39 mircea_popescu cool.
13:41 The20YearIRCloud Also kind of wanted to give one each to my employees
13:44 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud im sure nubbins` will gladly make you a dedicated fb or employee poster. kid's talented.
13:44 The20YearIRCloud I wasn't sure if the posters were earmarked exclusively for tenants only
13:44 kakobrekla mike_c that 'nice package' of a 'good product' does not turn off the buyers after the 'good product'.
13:44 The20YearIRCloud as there were 100 posters made, me getting 50
13:44 * asciilifeform always reads 'fb' as 'framebuffer', wonders who else.
13:45 ThickAsThieves http://www.coindesk.com/cointerra-16nm-bitcoin-asic/ Rise, nethash, rise!
13:45 assbot CoinTerra Opens Pre-Orders for First 16nm Bitcoin ASIC
13:45 mike_c but the implication being that BB does not currently have nice package?
13:45 The20YearIRCloud i can't wait till the 1nm asics
13:45 ThickAsThieves graphene ASICs
13:46 mike_c intel is on what, 14 nm?
13:46 ThickAsThieves i think 12
13:46 ThickAsThieves not sure
13:46 ThickAsThieves http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-cpu-processor-5nm,17578.html
13:46 assbot Intel Has 5 nm Processors in Sight
13:47 kakobrekla mike_c nice package is mostly for superficial people. to those i think it does not cater well.
13:47 mthreat mircea_popescu: I have the event for you: Reddit Mitap - http://www.reddit.com/r/argentina/comments/2gr6lo/mitap_s%C3%A1bado_27_parque_centenario_san_bernardo/
13:47 assbot MITAP SBADO 27: Parque Centenario -> San Bernardo : argentina
13:47 kakobrekla i guess it depends what the goal is.
13:48 bounce apparently the process size numbers have become all but meaningless
13:48 mike_c so in this case perhaps superficial = casual gambler.
13:48 ThickAsThieves http://i.imgur.com/OXJXxbX.png
13:48 mike_c i don't think package is the issue there. more the parimutuel/weight system.
13:48 ThickAsThieves kako will like that ^
13:48 kakobrekla heh
13:49 asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: salami slice ?
13:49 kakobrekla mike_c sometimes the line from product and package is hard to determine, seems to me.
13:50 kakobrekla but tat you can still have both, nice fonts AND correct math. in theory.
13:50 ThickAsThieves of course
13:50 mike_c i don't like circle's look. not as good as ethereum.
13:50 asciilifeform the math is correct. just missing a term.
13:50 ThickAsThieves oh yeah the other day you mentioned, you never heard of good package hurting good product
13:50 asciilifeform call it 's' for salami.
13:51 ThickAsThieves it is very much a thing
13:51 ThickAsThieves i'll give a basic example
13:51 kakobrekla do tell, mp came with one (and not great one)
13:52 ThickAsThieves nonprofit agency pays more money for cheap-looking solicition materials (like, capital campaign mailers) so as not to look like they have plenty money to afford nicer package
13:52 ThickAsThieves packaging must match culture of audience
13:52 kakobrekla but nonprofits goal is to not make a profit, so that doesnt count.
13:52 ThickAsThieves i'm showing how the nonprofit has awareness of the phenomenon
13:53 ThickAsThieves if packaging doesnt suit audience, one or both parties may be alienated
13:53 ThickAsThieves the packaging is a communication
13:53 ThickAsThieves a language maybe
13:54 asciilifeform 'inverse-veblen good' ?
13:54 ThickAsThieves what if god was one of us?
13:54 bounce what if americans understood irony?
13:55 kakobrekla i thought 'good' implied 'appropriate'.
13:55 ThickAsThieves good implies optimal i guess
13:55 ThickAsThieves we are defining it
13:55 asciilifeform ;;google veblen good
13:55 gribble Veblen good - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veblen_good>; Veblen Good Definition | Investopedia: <http://www.investopedia.com/terms/v/veblen-good.asp>; Veblen Good Definition & Example | Investing Answers: <http://www.investinganswers.com/financial-dictionary/economics/veblen-good-6371>
13:55 mike_c nonprofit goal is to not book a profit, but they certainly want as much revenue as they can get.
13:55 kakobrekla its not good if its inappropriate
13:56 asciilifeform 'good' meant there, something one can buy or sell.
13:56 ThickAsThieves yes asciii good example
13:56 kakobrekla i also am not talking about "not evil"
13:57 ThickAsThieves thin line between optimizing your communication and being manipulative
13:57 ThickAsThieves if line exists at all
13:59 ThickAsThieves just to inject a quick tangent, lately i've been thinking about how reality is essentially toxic, and of human relationship with it is in how it insulates from it.
13:59 ThickAsThieves how
13:59 ThickAsThieves bleh
14:01 ThickAsThieves probly just boils down to thermodynamics
14:01 bounce toxic in what sense?
14:01 ThickAsThieves it causes pain when exposed
14:02 ThickAsThieves contemplating ones mortality for example
14:02 bounce so pain is the universe's fault?
14:02 ThickAsThieves well it aint my fault
14:02 ThickAsThieves :)
14:03 bounce of course it isn't.
14:03 ThickAsThieves humans work so hard to insulate from real
14:04 ThickAsThieves probly also restating mp's theories on not all men can be free
14:04 ThickAsThieves some men can take the pain
14:04 ThickAsThieves or thrive on it
14:04 los_pantalones ThickAsThieves don't.jump.
14:04 ThickAsThieves haha
14:04 los_pantalones it's just $
14:04 ThickAsThieves lol
14:05 los_pantalones unrealized losses
14:05 ThickAsThieves no its not that
14:05 asciilifeform ThickAsThieves candidate for wife-replacement surgery ?
14:05 ThickAsThieves i'm short on BTCUSD
14:05 ThickAsThieves been so for a while
14:05 los_pantalones "short on" = don't have enough
14:05 los_pantalones or you are short it
14:06 asciilifeform what's a btcusd ?
14:06 ThickAsThieves i literally shorted it with leverage
14:06 asciilifeform is it something like a newton-metre ?
14:06 asciilifeform or foot-pound ?
14:06 ThickAsThieves just btc price in usd
14:07 los_pantalones on bfx ?
14:07 ThickAsThieves yes
14:07 los_pantalones borrowing costs to short are pretty cheap
14:07 ThickAsThieves much less than longs
14:07 ThickAsThieves currently at .002% per day for me
14:08 los_pantalones nice return
14:08 los_pantalones have a target?
14:08 los_pantalones $0 ?
14:08 ThickAsThieves ive started covering and hope to buy back in for realz under 400
14:09 ThickAsThieves 360 looks likely
14:09 ThickAsThieves watching closely of course
14:09 los_pantalones ha
14:10 los_pantalones good luck
14:10 thestringpuller ;;ticker
14:10 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 428.4, Best ask: 428.53, Bid-ask spread: 0.13000, Last trade: 428.4, 24 hour volume: 15009.87721379, 24 hour low: 415.0, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 438.112123888
14:10 thestringpuller i've been long since 2012
14:11 thestringpuller the only time I went short was october 2012
14:11 thestringpuller MPOE puts
14:11 thestringpuller just to see how they worked
14:12 los_pantalones long puts, no matter the market
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14:12 los_pantalones terrible trade
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14:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 321 @ 0.0075 = 2.4075 BTC [+] {2}
14:38 thestringpuller los_pantalones: yea we all know that now
14:38 thestringpuller too bad I didn't know that in my infancy
14:42 los_pantalones gotta learn somehow
14:42 los_pantalones and mp might say quite the opposite
14:42 los_pantalones but he was in a slightly diff pos
14:45 thestringpuller http://digg.com/2014/we-need-an-adult?utm_source=digg&utm_medium=email
14:45 assbot Is Adulthood Dead? - Digg
14:46 ThickAsThieves did it ever exist?
14:46 mircea_popescu <mthreat> mircea_popescu: I have the event for you: Reddit Mitap - http://www.reddit.com/r/argentina/comments/2gr6lo/mitap_s%C3%A1bado_27_parque_centenario_san_bernardo/ << wanna go ?
14:46 assbot MITAP SBADO 27: Parque Centenario -> San Bernardo : argentina
14:46 mircea_popescu i've already been to the embassy thing, so.
14:46 The20YearIRCloud I don't think saying walter white wasn't an adult is kind of stupid
14:47 mircea_popescu <ThickAsThieves> i think 12 << iirc 12 kinda fizzled.
14:47 The20YearIRCloud in my mind adulthood is the time when you stop thinking less about now and more about the future
14:47 The20YearIRCloud then attempt to make decisions that look forward, trying to plan. Of course many people never get to that point
14:48 asciilifeform just as unrelated q: anyone know of a laptop comp. currently on the market which isn't a complete piece of shit? (everything i see either has display with < 1080 lines, glossy, or both - imho unusable.)
14:48 The20YearIRCloud My kids look forward maybe 3 minutes, 5 if I"m lucky
14:48 mircea_popescu "Cuestión, nos vemos el sábado que viene y recuerden: al que hable de bitcoins lo tiramos al agua / invita un shot a todos / pela."
14:48 The20YearIRCloud I've heard lenovo is decent
14:48 mircea_popescu mthreat we go there, beat the shit out of the kids ?
14:48 mircea_popescu curious what the situation is like here if you assault some idiots in the street. fine or what ?
14:49 ThickAsThieves <+asciilifeform> thinkpad X1
14:49 The20YearIRCloud in Romania?
14:49 ThickAsThieves x1 carbon
14:49 asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: no 'F' keys! what a steaming turd.
14:49 ThickAsThieves sry
14:49 asciilifeform plus the one with >1080 lines has gloss.
14:50 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud buenos aires.
14:50 ThickAsThieves wait a sec mine has F keys and no gloss
14:50 asciilifeform how many lines of display res ?
14:51 mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/ << holy shit even money ?!
14:51 assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (48%) on Yes, 1195.58 B (52%) on No | closing in 4 months 4 weeks | weight: 44`485 (100`000 to 1)
14:51 mircea_popescu well not QUITE even
14:52 The20YearIRCloud You're in argentina now?
14:52 The20YearIRCloud I've met a few from there, they assure me with a little bit of cash you can do whatever you want
14:52 thestringpuller interesting. i wonder if the suppression in price is at all related to this bet
14:53 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud it's so far been my understanding.
14:53 mircea_popescu so going in there and plowing a beating into the reddit crowd seems a decent use for a few bitcents.
14:53 The20YearIRCloud http://ferfal.blogspot.com/
14:53 assbot SURVIVING IN ARGENTINA
14:54 ThickAsThieves ascii 2560 x 1600
14:54 asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: which machine was this
14:54 ThickAsThieves you want the X1 carbon 2nd edition
14:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.17399999 = 0.522 BTC [+]
14:55 ThickAsThieves also chosen for being linux-friendly system
14:55 asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: have you a link to vendor?
14:55 asciilifeform because lenovo's site mentions no such animal
14:56 asciilifeform they have a 2560 x 1440 glossy, and a 900 line turd.
14:56 ThickAsThieves the links are dynamic sadly, so you might have to build it, but i will look up my order
14:58 mircea_popescu los_pantalones: ThickAsThieves don't.jump. << STOP! it's hammertime!
15:00 ThickAsThieves ok ascii you are right, matte is only for 14"
15:00 ThickAsThieves and 900
15:00 asciilifeform there we go.
15:01 ThickAsThieves it isnt the best display, but everything else is nice
15:01 mthreat mircea_popescu: nah the reddit kids are a friendly bunch, i've been to one of their parties
15:01 asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: good laptop for a blind man, then.
15:01 mircea_popescu well ok, then we can just go and not beat them up
15:02 ThickAsThieves rather, not a good laptop for fine linework and ruining your eyesight staring at small details ;)
15:03 asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: it's bad enough that no one makes a laptop with vertical display...
15:03 ThickAsThieves they have those tabletops
15:03 asciilifeform tabletop ?
15:04 ThickAsThieves sorry that was meant to read tablet-tops
15:04 * mircea_popescu says "get a tablet" then remembers proper tablet was never made because apple got to it first.
15:04 asciilifeform ew
15:04 ThickAsThieves convertible laptop tablets
15:04 ThickAsThieves MS and Intel would really love for you to buy 1
15:04 * asciilifeform mercifully forgot that microshit sold a 'tablet'
15:05 ThickAsThieves they have big ones now too
15:05 ThickAsThieves so bad
15:05 ThickAsThieves MS is so fucked
15:05 mthreat mircea_popescu: also, i'm done with my contract work so as of tomorrow my days are free again. we should get lunch, maybe at Dogg - http://pickupthefork.com/tag/dogg-buenos-aires/
15:05 assbot DOGG buenos aires | Pick Up The Fork
15:05 mthreat oops, better link - http://pickupthefork.com/2014/01/28/dogg-getting-it-on-hot-doggy-style/
15:05 assbot DOGG: Getting It On Hot Doggy Style | Pick Up The Fork
15:06 mircea_popescu mthreat prolly better next week tho.
15:06 mthreat cool
15:07 mircea_popescu http://ferfal.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/why-didnt-i-move-to-estancia-cafayate.html << not bad lol
15:07 assbot SURVIVING IN ARGENTINA: Why didnt I move to Estancia Cafayate in the Province of Salta
15:07 mircea_popescu Isnt it wonderful how the “Casey Research Group “concludes that the best thing for you is to buy property from Doug Casey in crappy poor Argentina?. JAJAJAJAA!!!!
15:07 mircea_popescu You’d think that being rich and loving a wine sipping, golf playing sophisticated lifestyle you’d be better off in Napa Valley or something, but no, the best thing for you is to go to the middle of nowhere Argentina and then go from there to a middle of nowhere province where land used to sell for a dollar a square mile, that is until good ol’ Doug bought it and his research now shows that its in your best intere
15:07 mircea_popescu st to pay 300.000 a pop for a place in his Estancia… in one of the poorest provinces of Argentina… in the middle of the desert, where not a blade of grass would survive without artificial irrigation. JA!! Amazing what you can achieve with research!
15:07 mircea_popescu i gotta say, the scammers here are just about this fucktarded.
15:08 * asciilifeform confesses that when he learned that mircea_popescu was going to Ar, assumed that it was because of the joys chronicled by (among others) ferfal.
15:08 mircea_popescu i mean, nowhere near the smoothness one expects of the same operation in say maryland
15:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform first time i go to that site.
15:08 asciilifeform well yes. but the events described there, afaik - happened.
15:08 asciilifeform good old-fashioned 'mad max' collapse, that is
15:09 mircea_popescu in argentina ? nah.
15:09 The20YearIRCloud yugoslovia was mad max
15:10 mthreat mircea_popescu: ferfal lives in the US now, for a while ;)
15:10 asciilifeform wai what, those great tales of children chained to streetlights so cars would stop, and then drivers can be throat-cut and robbed - all fake ?!
15:10 The20YearIRCloud argentina is like a detroit collapse
15:10 * asciilifeform sad
15:10 The20YearIRCloud he's making great money in the US as a consultant
15:10 mircea_popescu yugoslavia WAS mad max, yes.
15:10 mthreat with yugos instead of mustangs?
15:10 The20YearIRCloud shtfschool has some information about the yugoslovia incident
15:10 mircea_popescu argentina... meh. i should be able to see the signs. meanwhile, their biggest bombing was of a 3 story jewish centre 30 years ago.
15:10 mircea_popescu by this measure the us has been through all madmaxes in history.
15:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform re the children chained / throats cut business, same goes to you as discussed with los_pantalones re that robbery gopro video.
15:11 mircea_popescu does that schmuck look threatening to you ? and yet, inexplicably, he's alive. how ?
15:12 asciilifeform alive because knows his place in food chain, presumably
15:12 mircea_popescu yeah, totally.
15:12 mircea_popescu more like, because there scarcely is any food chain
15:12 asciilifeform or perhaps 'food chain' is not the right term. lion looks dangerous to man, but not to adult elephant, though the latter will not eat him
15:13 mircea_popescu blind cavefish do not survive because they know not to upset cats
15:13 mircea_popescu they survive because sealed in cave. no cats there.
15:14 asciilifeform well-known phenomenon - dodo bird.
15:14 mircea_popescu and also! it's generally gringos that are the scammers.
15:14 mircea_popescu they think themselves so smart, and all that.
15:14 los_pantalones us gringos are dangerous
15:14 mircea_popescu incredibly easy to spot, too.
15:15 asciilifeform scammers - sure. but surely every land can produce its own thieves, robbers, berserkers.
15:15 mircea_popescu "Oh, you didn’t know? See, one of the differences between living in Buenos Aires and living in Salta, is that the life expectancy for males in Buenos Aires is 69,17, while in Salta its 66,17!!!! How Cool is that?! You get to kick the bucket while in your prime years, no one wants to be remembered like an old wrinkly man, rich or not. Why would you want to live in Buenos Aires and live a measly 4 years more of life?"
15:15 mircea_popescu the farfel guy is not just retarded,
15:15 mircea_popescu he can't substract.
15:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform if every land could every land were a duchy and russia'd consist of some land on the bug.
15:16 mthreat 3 years here is like 4 years other places?
15:16 mircea_popescu mthreat now this i can credit.
15:18 mircea_popescu anyway, living in a dirt poor province has its advantages.
15:18 mircea_popescu for one thing, it's the cheapest way to raise an army.
15:19 mircea_popescu for another thing, it's the cheapest way to spread your carnal knowledge.
15:20 los_pantalones this is how i feel about those advantages
15:20 los_pantalones http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--cZ6LHkmG--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/r3uq72pzbwcld3zw2awg.png
15:22 mircea_popescu los_pantalones i guess you're not the next stalin then.
15:22 los_pantalones sadly, no
15:22 los_pantalones sorry to my fanbois
15:22 mircea_popescu a well, we've all got our limitations :D
15:23 mircea_popescu "I’m in financial services and one of the researchers I read suggests"
15:23 mircea_popescu fucking lamers these people. i read that, i think here's an aluminum sidings salesman trying to make it as an insurance salesman now
15:29 Bet placed: 1.5 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $400 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1029/ Odds: 45(Y):55(N) by coin, 28(Y):72(N) by weight. Total bet: 21.68931212 BTC. Current weight: 15,387.
15:31 Duffer1 at what point does that become a gracious donation?
15:32 asciilifeform http://what.thedailywtf.com/uploads/default/6235/a87b15fae5f1185c.png
15:32 mircea_popescu after the bet closes
15:32 thestringpuller ;;ticker
15:32 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 415.0, Best ask: 415.19, Bid-ask spread: 0.19000, Last trade: 415.0, 24 hour volume: 17059.74082261, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 435.262063823
15:33 thestringpuller is the term "gracious donation" copyrighted?
15:33 Duffer1 i see
15:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform lmao. "crazy shit stick on all sides of weapon!!!!"
15:33 mircea_popescu guy's great
15:35 mircea_popescu lmao
15:35 penguirker New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-prices-under-400/
15:36 cazalla well, that's an interesting price to wake up to
15:37 asciilifeform 'happy is the man who has one leg, one sock doesn't tear, one boot isn't needed.'
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15:38 mircea_popescu guy's excellent dude, i'm wiping my tears over here, chicks are doubled over on the floor laughing, you ruined my fucking work
15:38 asciilifeform muhahahaha.
15:38 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
15:38 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 410.31, Best ask: 410.33, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 410.33, 24 hour volume: 17399.49655314, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 434.783426284
15:38 ThickAsThieves 393 at btce
15:40 thestringpuller bet closed
15:40 thestringpuller congrats winners!
15:40 thestringpuller even if you didn't win this time remember, participation counts
15:41 The20YearIRCloud Joy!
15:41 mircea_popescu o srsly ?
15:41 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
15:41 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 410.5, Best ask: 412.77, Bid-ask spread: 2.27000, Last trade: 410.38, 24 hour volume: 17414.87561426, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 434.716551529
15:41 mircea_popescu not quite yet.
15:45 kakobrekla bitbet sez its 50:50
15:45 kakobrekla http://bitbet.us/bet/1029/bitcoin-to-drop-under-400-before-october/
15:45 assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $400 before October :: 9.69 B (45%) on Yes, 12 B (55%) on No | closing in 5 days 4 hours | weight: 15`353 (100`000 to 1)
15:46 los_pantalones what did i say earlier about long puts?
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15:46 los_pantalones the
15:46 los_pantalones worst
15:47 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
15:47 gribble Current Blocks: 321393 | Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 | Next Difficulty In: 1166 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 8 hours, 55 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35414879261.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.72342
16:00 mircea_popescu well what does bitbet know.
16:01 The20YearIRCloud Anyone know when the scotland vote isi n?
16:01 mircea_popescu tomorrow no ?
16:02 mike_c today i believe
16:02 Duffer1 today
16:02 The20YearIRCloud I meant timewise - it's today
16:02 mircea_popescu they proly gotta count it, come to terms with the fact the uk is gone, stuff.
16:02 mircea_popescu tomorrow.
16:03 The20YearIRCloud 10pm tonight it seems
16:03 asciilifeform scokraine.
16:03 mike_c bitbet says scotland will stay with the UK
16:03 kakobrekla lol i post a link here - next block there is 5 bets incoming.
16:03 mircea_popescu mike_c what does bitbet know.
16:04 kakobrekla it knows what block is it.
16:05 mircea_popescu course bottom may well be in.
16:06 mircea_popescu but anyway, regardless of scotland. basque country, french canada, transylvania, there were a coupla hundred states at the start of the century
16:06 mircea_popescu there will be many thousands at the end of it.
16:06 mircea_popescu there's absolutely no reason to have a country larger than hong kong.
16:06 mircea_popescu most us states are too large, let alone the federal construct altogether.
16:07 mike_c big countries eat small countries.
16:09 mircea_popescu used to.
16:09 mircea_popescu meanwhile china ate tibet but still is struggling with singapore.
16:09 mircea_popescu small countries > big countries.
16:10 mike_c tell ukraine that
16:10 asciilifeform i bet tibet tasted like shit.
16:10 mircea_popescu mike_c ukraine is not a small country, is its problem
16:11 mike_c i guess this is true. it is only losing pieces.
16:11 asciilifeform panic_sell << lol, herr buterin gives a little knob a bit of clockwise twist, and we have 'panic'
16:11 mike_c as is syria.
16:12 mircea_popescu asciilifeform engineering panics are however great. as far as the usg is concerned, they're cannibalistic
16:12 mircea_popescu the people being kicked off are exactly the two bit farmers that it'd have had to rely on to expand its rule into this new fronteer
16:12 The20YearIRCloud engineering panics?
16:12 mircea_popescu not like the indians are about to leave their ancestral homeland because the colonists dun like it no more.
16:12 The20YearIRCloud in singapore or tibet?
16:12 mircea_popescu we moved on to discussing buterin's derpage.
16:13 asciilifeform !s buterin waterfall
16:13 assbot 3 results for 'buterin waterfall' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=buterin+waterfall
16:13 asciilifeform ^ for those who slept.
16:15 The20YearIRCloud ah
16:16 ben_vulpes ty asciilifeform
16:19 mircea_popescu anyway, from a purely geopolitical perspective... gutting the 51st us state is more than adequate escalation for the entire ukraine mess, much like the syria humiliation was more than adequate escalation for the ossetia mess.
16:19 mircea_popescu for a guy that "doesn't understand how reality works", the situation in the field speaks well of putin.
16:20 asciilifeform gut - then make haggis.
16:20 assbot xanthyos +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
16:20 asciilifeform !up xanthyos
16:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2000 @ 0.0007198 = 1.4396 BTC [+]
16:21 BingoBoingo !up xanthyos
16:21 asciilifeform !up xanthyos
16:21 xanthyos saved from panic selling due to a ban from otc. wonder why.
16:21 xanthyos hi BingoBoingo
16:21 BingoBoingo Hi xanthyos
16:22 The20YearIRCloud hi
16:22 los_pantalones http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2gs5ji/holy_smokes_someone_plunked_down_1000_bitcoin_on/
16:22 assbot Holy Smokes! Someone plunked down 1000 bitcoin on No today for the Berkshire vs Bitcoin bet on bitbet.us : Bitcoin
16:22 los_pantalones love these redditors
16:23 The20YearIRCloud Crazy
16:23 mike_c holy shit, i missed the 2nd 500
16:23 los_pantalones me too
16:23 mircea_popescu the strangest thing is... why make it 4 equal chunks
16:24 mike_c wtf []bot
16:24 los_pantalones idk, wences had to dig up 4 private keys from 1m underground in 4 countries ?
16:24 mircea_popescu "Looking at those payouts, no one should take those bets, either for or against. The payout ratio is really, really bad if I read it correctly." << makes sense.
16:24 asciilifeform equal chunks << usg's calling card.
16:24 mircea_popescu NEITHER SIDE IS A GOOD BET!!!
16:24 mircea_popescu asciilifeform and how you figure ?
16:24 asciilifeform sr.
16:24 mircea_popescu hm ?
16:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0075 = 1.5 BTC [+]
16:25 asciilifeform if i recall, those were also cut into 'round' parcels.
16:25 ThickAsThieves equal chunks from different addies?
16:25 mircea_popescu "Who is sending 1000 BTC to a site with no SSL? Any why would anyone trust this site anyways? People are stupid or it's fake."
16:25 mircea_popescu lol
16:25 ThickAsThieves wow
16:25 ThickAsThieves lol
16:25 mircea_popescu los_pantalones you're right, they;re cute.
16:25 mircea_popescu kakobrekla wanna do an ama ?
16:25 ThickAsThieves ha!
16:25 mircea_popescu "I own BitBet, the site with the thousands of Bitcoins in bets. Ask me anything"
16:25 ThickAsThieves Antything except that
16:26 mircea_popescu see if you can not get banned for like half a day
16:26 los_pantalones don't you do that all day ?
16:26 ThickAsThieves and that
16:26 asciilifeform in all fairness, equal chunks from different addies would be perfectly mundane evidence of coldwallets uncorked for the occasion.
16:26 mircea_popescu los_pantalones me ? nah.
16:26 los_pantalones what is this ?
16:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform one possibility yes. in fact, it's trivial to try and find a blockchain link to where the btc was before.
16:26 mircea_popescu generally a paper wallet is stationary.
16:26 mircea_popescu los_pantalones well yes but the medium is the derpage.
16:27 mircea_popescu "And sending 1000 BTC and waiting 5 months for the result when sites like this closing every day without notice is beyond stupid."
16:27 mircea_popescu herp. "sites like this". lol.
16:28 ThickAsThieves "I bet this was the whale's plan the whole time."
16:28 ThickAsThieves wtf
16:28 mike_c TaT.. fess up. this is your short.
16:28 mircea_popescu who's private booty ?
16:28 los_pantalones 'site like this' def my fave part
16:28 ThickAsThieves cavemen must have invented religion on like day 1
16:28 xanthyos my new 72-year-old psychiatrist has not heard about bitcoin. it's not mainstream yet. growth is still possible.
16:28 mircea_popescu xanthyos what the fuck are you doing with a 72yo psych
16:28 ThickAsThieves mike_c i'm like 50% less short than i was last week!
16:28 xanthyos same guy i saw 20 years ago
16:29 mike_c only 1k btc short now ;)
16:29 mircea_popescu xanthyos wow.
16:29 ThickAsThieves so wow
16:29 mircea_popescu you paid some guy 100 bux twice a week for 20 years, and he's not even sucking you off ?
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16:29 BingoBoingo !b 1
16:29 ThickAsThieves haha
16:29 xanthyos haven't seen him since 1995
16:29 mircea_popescu come to argentina, much better deals here.
16:29 xanthyos insurance pays.
16:29 mike_c buckle up. tomorrow when warren says it was his bet, btcusd will explode.
16:29 mircea_popescu why would it ?
16:30 mike_c publicity!
16:30 mike_c explode upwards.
16:30 mircea_popescu "[–]mementori 1 point 29 minutes ago
16:30 mircea_popescu can confirm - made an awesome bet on betsofbitco.in well over a year before the conclusion (had previously been paid out by them) - when it came time to pay up, the site stopped closing bets and then eventually just shut down. I bet .1btc when btc was ~$70 and I would of won around .5btc when btc was ~$800"
16:30 BingoBoingo http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2014/09/sinquefield_cup_one_of_the_most_amazing_feats_in_chess_history_just_happened.html
16:30 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
16:30 assbot Sinquefield Cup: One of the most amazing feats in chess history just happened, and no one noticed.
16:30 mircea_popescu yeah, basically, idiocy spreads through exactly this mechanism.
16:31 los_pantalones awesome bet!
16:33 mircea_popescu lol cameron and john major. and tony blair. "please don't break out heart"
16:33 mircea_popescu YOU BROKE IT asshats.
16:37 ben_vulpes ;;ticker
16:37 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 415.04, Best ask: 416.82, Bid-ask spread: 1.78000, Last trade: 416.85, 24 hour volume: 18332.47850390, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 432.816883003
16:40 ThickAsThieves Buterin Waterfall https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp0Q3UJHrkU
16:40 assbot English news report with the cat lady that owns 130 cats - YouTube
16:41 cazalla imagine the smell
16:44 ThickAsThieves https://twitter.com/RudyHavenstein/status/512695876825784321
16:44 assbot Queen Elizabeth II, shown here visiting a Scottish Polling Station. http://t.co/1WT6SPLmeQ
16:46 mircea_popescu The Gas Price Spike Act, H.R. 3784, would apply a windfall tax on the sale of oil and gas that ranges from 50 percent to 100 percent on all surplus earnings exceeding "a reasonable profit." It would set up a Reasonable Profits Board made up of three presidential nominees that will serve three-year terms. Unlike other bills setting up advisory boards, the Reasonable Profits Board would not be made up of any nominees fro
16:46 mircea_popescu m Congress.
16:46 mircea_popescu The bill would also seem to exclude industry representatives from the board, as it says members "shall have no financial interests in any of the businesses for which reasonable profits are determined by the Board."
16:46 mircea_popescu nobody elected and no businessman allowed.
16:47 mircea_popescu the country has to be run by what exactly, lefty social media experts ?
16:56 The20YearIRCloud mircea_popescu: they've talkd about that quite a bit
16:56 The20YearIRCloud And the oil industry has pathetic margins, apple is the king of margins on $1b+ companies
16:57 mircea_popescu actually washington is the king of margins. al gore makes a trillion % on his "trade carbon" mafia scam.
16:57 The20YearIRCloud Yep
16:57 mircea_popescu easy to make huge margins with no actual costs.
16:57 The20YearIRCloud and even more aggrivating is the mindless fools that support those policies
16:58 mircea_popescu eh, the common man will support anything, who cares.
16:58 mircea_popescu better reasons to be aggrieved. like the fact that there's no low cpu replacement for sine.
16:58 mircea_popescu fucking tables.
16:58 The20YearIRCloud One of the guys that always supports crap like that whom I talk to once in a while works for apple
16:58 The20YearIRCloud Always funny him defending their 20%+ margin yet slamming walmart for their 5.6% and exxon's 8%
16:59 kakobrekla 20? did ya forget a zero there?
16:59 mircea_popescu yeah, apple, the world's most successful dropshipper.
16:59 mircea_popescu they really should be on ebay.
16:59 mircea_popescu AAA+++pple.
17:00 The20YearIRCloud Last time i checked it was a 20% net operating margin
17:00 The20YearIRCloud 21.3% in q2 2013
17:00 mircea_popescu kakobrekla they got a lotta useless employees you see.
17:00 jurov mircea_popescu: you can use 11 point polynomial, if you insist http://krisgarrett.net/papers/l2approx.pdf
17:01 mircea_popescu is that 10 arbitrary power operations ?
17:01 mircea_popescu i want something with like 3 additions and a division.
17:03 thestringpuller ;;ticker
17:03 jurov or lol, if the platform has good rng, do monte carlo
17:03 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 416.0, Best ask: 417.95, Bid-ask spread: 1.95000, Last trade: 417.98, 24 hour volume: 18805.13675508, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 432.20570792
17:03 thestringpuller awww
17:03 thestringpuller i was hoping to see cheaper coins
17:03 mircea_popescu how much cheaper lol
17:03 mircea_popescu 410 is cheaper than 490, which is cheaper thjan the 500s it was which is cheaper than 700 etc
17:04 thestringpuller like 10 dollar coins
17:04 thestringpuller I miss 2012
17:04 mircea_popescu lmao
17:05 mircea_popescu miss scarlet, you've had a child now, and you ain't never gonna be 17 and a half again
17:05 mircea_popescu not no mo'.
17:08 thestringpuller !b9
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17:08 thestringpuller !b 9
17:09 BingoBoingo http://valleywag.gawker.com/techies-are-now-panhandling-for-funding-1636402378/+laceydonohue
17:09 assbot Techies Are Now Panhandling For Funding
17:11 mircea_popescu it's not panhandling, it's being creative and changing the world revolutionizing,.
17:12 BingoBoingo lol
17:13 mircea_popescu really ycombinator's celebration of the uber scammors sordid approach is the moment there.
17:13 mircea_popescu everything after that's just immitation.
17:14 thestringpuller i thought that was facebook...
17:16 mircea_popescu "When forces that are hostile to socialism try to turn the development of some socialist country towards capitalism, it becomes not only a problem of the country concerned, but a common problem and concern of all socialist countries."
17:17 mircea_popescu the brejnev doctrine survived both brejnev and the soviet union! give the guy obama's nobel prize i say.
17:20 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
17:20 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 433.66, Best ask: 433.94, Bid-ask spread: 0.28000, Last trade: 431.2, 24 hour volume: 19974.69850384, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 431.818620067
17:20 mircea_popescu well that was exciting.
17:20 los_pantalones long puts
17:20 los_pantalones =
17:20 los_pantalones suck ass
17:20 mike_c long puts = short difficulty
17:21 mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats
17:21 gribble Current Blocks: 321405 | Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 | Next Difficulty In: 1154 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 12 hours, 28 minutes, and 28 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35364022510.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.55293
17:21 mircea_popescu seriously, the sort of imbecile that came up with this plan to push btc downwards on pure spin, while the diff is up bitbet is pointing the other way...
17:22 mircea_popescu think more, desk people. hire BingoBoingo. do something, on your own you're worthless.
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17:22 BingoBoingo !b 2
17:23 BingoBoingo %t
17:23 atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 198 Ask: 245 Last Price: 198 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A
17:23 BingoBoingo %ob
17:23 atcbot 45k@282 8k@260 2k@245 | 80k@198 6k@194 12k@190
17:24 BingoBoingo %v
17:24 atcbot [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 198 Ask: 245 Last Price: 198 30d-Vol: 152k 30d-High: 221 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 181
17:24 BingoBoingo %d
17:24 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 300997.11 in 1009 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.97
17:25 ThickAsThieves maybe one day i'll be employable
17:25 ThickAsThieves til then, blowstamps!
17:26 mircea_popescu gotta build it.
17:26 mircea_popescu you don't become employable by aging, you're not wine.
17:26 ThickAsThieves was kinda joking
17:26 ThickAsThieves i'm employable, just not by you
17:27 ThickAsThieves nor do i really want to be employed
17:27 ThickAsThieves in the literal sense at least
17:27 Duffer1 scotland polls closed, counting time
17:29 ThickAsThieves rather, in the contemporary sense
17:29 mircea_popescu well sure but one never know what kids be reading, get the wrong idea.
17:29 ThickAsThieves indeed
17:43 los_pantalones mircea_popescu
17:43 los_pantalones https://www.fairlay.com/predict/registered/new/will-bitbet-us-berkshire-resolve-to-yes/
17:43 assbot Place prediction on: Will Bitbet.us Berkshire bet resolve to YES
17:43 los_pantalones bet on the bet
17:43 los_pantalones on the bet
17:44 nubbins` heh
17:44 BingoBoingo Best Marketing Evar!!!
17:45 los_pantalones or is this blatant theft of contract specs ?
17:45 BingoBoingo http://mentalfloss.com/article/58829/good-honest-football-re-watching-xfl
17:45 assbot Good, Honest Football: Re-Watching the XFL | Mental Floss
17:46 BingoBoingo los_pantalones: No, great Marketing on BitBet that its competitors have to make bets on BitBet bets
17:51 ben_vulpes ;;ticker
17:51 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 427.93, Best ask: 428.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 428.0, 24 hour volume: 21423.75818318, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 431.700539902
17:53 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
17:53 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 428.5, vol: 21444.53124745 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 414.747, vol: 13295.37209 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 431.62, vol: 37599.14920367 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 426.956013, vol: 30340.54810000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 503.18147, vol: 18.12199892 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 430.036238742, vol: 167.41885582 | Volume-weighted last average: 427.423087606
18:00 mircea_popescu los_pantalones lol k
18:00 mircea_popescu i suppose its sensible, bitbet is a good signal source.
18:01 mircea_popescu better than the usg at any rate/
18:02 mircea_popescu <los_pantalones> or is this blatant theft of contract specs ? << nah, bitbet is designed/intended as a backstop for an infinity of independent repackagers/customer oriented bookies and assorted venues.
18:02 mircea_popescu let people serve their own customers as best they can, and let them have a liquid and powerful marketplace where to unload unwanted risk.
18:02 mircea_popescu it's a winning model.
18:03 mircea_popescu also completely winds kakobrekla's gui arguments, but this time from the right direction :))
18:07 los_pantalones welp, tempus fuck it, i'm out of here
18:07 los_pantalones night boys
18:07 * asciilifeform wonders why folks always say they'd like to be 'employable' rather than 'fed and sheltered'
18:08 mircea_popescu there's a difference between being loved and being useful.
18:08 asciilifeform the common rat, mouse, is neither loved nor useful, fed & sheltered still.
18:08 mircea_popescu no, the mouse feeds itself.
18:09 asciilifeform from your kitchen, yes.
18:09 mircea_popescu "your"
18:09 mircea_popescu apparently it wasn't as your as all that.
18:09 asciilifeform right.
18:09 mircea_popescu might of mouse makes right.
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18:09 asciilifeform !b 6
18:10 thestringpuller look at mp and asciilifeform droppin' dat wisdom shit up in here
18:11 mircea_popescu "This event was created to demonstrate the different betting systems. We believe strongly in the superiority of our betting system and expect the the odds for both outcomes to be significantly better on our site."
18:11 mircea_popescu wtf must one be smoking lol
18:12 asciilifeform speaking of whizzdum - recently read about 'luer's connector' and discovered that some of today's medicine men are campaigning to have it abolished. because dumbshit orderlies can't be trusted not to plug an x hose into a y port (e.g., x == blood 'in' and y == piss 'out')
18:13 asciilifeform so homo americanus answers, gotta have 11111enty different plugs, one for each bodily secretion, medical concoction, and direction of desired flow
18:14 asciilifeform stimulate economy !11!
18:14 mircea_popescu this is how gasoline works.
18:14 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: well, petrol vs diesel, yes
18:14 mircea_popescu it has actually happened to me once that dumbass gas station kid put diesel in gasoline v8 engine
18:15 mircea_popescu at a time that was rare and expensive.
18:15 mircea_popescu i also know first hand of a case where sleepy truck driver put gasoline in his truck. figured it out after ~200 liters in. had to suck it back out
18:15 mircea_popescu took a day.
18:16 asciilifeform afaik you can still do that with the american nozzles
18:18 mircea_popescu in europe it's mostly impossible to fit them x-way
18:25 ThickAsThieves "We believe strongly in the superiority of our betting system and expect the the odds for both outcomes to be significantly better on our site. " i cant even think of what that might mean
18:25 ThickAsThieves that theyll get 2000btc+?
18:25 mircea_popescu i have nfi.
18:26 mircea_popescu maybe they figure starting over at weight 100k is somehow going to overrule starting over at 0 pool.
18:27 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: line operators must be protected from themselves, too, lest the company be held liable for their idiocy. "actuation button A 2.5 ft to the right of press, B 2.5 to the left, press does not fire unless both actuation buttons are pressed together"
18:28 ben_vulpes i always enjoyed imagining the creative ways people might try to circumvent my anti-idiot devices.
18:28 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i was just about to say.
18:28 ben_vulpes probably the only enjoyable part of that job.
18:28 ben_vulpes now i've given up on jobs being enjoyable.
18:28 asciilifeform typically at the end of the day there's a crowbar strategically holding down both...
18:28 ben_vulpes gotta release the press eventually.
18:29 asciilifeform also,
18:29 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2014#785329
18:29 assbot Logged on 07-08-2014 04:57:13; asciilifeform: in oil prospecting, salvage diving, etc. there is a concept where safety measures that the crew will not follow because they 'seen ridiculous' - are useless
18:29 asciilifeform ^ originally described in one of naggum's pieces
18:33 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes it usually comes down to duct tape
18:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1304 @ 0.00071999 = 0.9389 BTC [+]
18:43 TheNewDeal ;;ticker
18:43 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 419.08, Best ask: 420.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.92000, Last trade: 419.08, 24 hour volume: 22116.05561929, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 453.94, 24 hour vwap: 430.465775042
18:52 mircea_popescu http://xkcd.com/217/
18:52 assbot xkcd: e to the pi Minus pi
18:52 mircea_popescu old xkcd's are much better.
19:03 TheNewDeal ;;calc e^pi-pi
19:03 gribble Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
19:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://xkcd.com/227/ here's one for you.
19:03 assbot xkcd: Color Codes
19:03 mircea_popescu ;;calc e**pi-pi
19:03 gribble 19.9990999792
19:06 asciilifeform ahah
19:06 asciilifeform yeah i remember that one..
19:07 asciilifeform goes great with lawrence oates and his 'I am just going outside and may be some time.'
19:07 BingoBoingo http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/09/no-apple-probably-didnt-get-new-secret-govt-orders-to-hand-over-data/ << Apple's warrant canary disappears, No Big Deal is the report
19:07 assbot No, Apple probably didnt get new secret govt orders to hand over data | Ars Technica
19:07 mircea_popescu uh
19:08 mircea_popescu im behind. what canary ?
19:08 bounce the canary got NSLed
19:09 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: You know the notice that says you haven't been issued a warrant, that disappears when you have. Apple's diappeared.
19:09 mircea_popescu i didn't know there was a notice
19:09 mircea_popescu where is this notice ?
19:10 BingoBoingo Here's a sample one. http://www.rsync.net/resources/notices/canary.txt I've never seen apple's but Ars is reporting it disappeared
19:11 mircea_popescu "While Apple won't confirm it, the company has removed its warrant canary from its latest transparency report, issued this week. While this could mean that the company has received a new secret government order to provide user data, there is still another more likely possibility: it's not publishing warrant canaries at all."
19:11 mircea_popescu more probable on the basis of what the fuck exactly ?
19:12 mircea_popescu jesus that country's gotten more byzantine
19:13 mircea_popescu this is some prime soviet rib
19:14 BingoBoingo It really is.
19:14 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: prime soviet rib << the whole 'canary' thing is just the last remnants of 'rule of law' going down the drain, gurgling - like the fabled 'last shit made with home food' of a prisoner
19:15 assbot Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0KTW0J7.txt )
19:15 BingoBoingo !b 1
19:15 mircea_popescu i had somehow completely missed this particular spot
19:16 mircea_popescu likely because mah people been trying to keep me from armflailing fits
19:18 BingoBoingo lulz https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2gs5ji/holy_smokes_someone_plunked_down_1000_bitcoin_on/ckm4omt
19:18 assbot apoefjmqdsfls comments on Holy Smokes! Someone plunked down 1000 bitcoin on No today for the Berkshire vs Bitcoin bet on bitbet.us
19:20 BingoBoingo Oh wikipedia has a recycling bin http://wikibin.org/articles/mircea-popescu.html
19:20 assbot Mircea Popescu
19:21 Bet created: "Cat 1 or Greater Hurricane to Strike Eastern Seaboard" http://bitbet.us/bet/1045/
19:27 chetty <mircea_popescu> likely because mah people been trying to keep me from armflailing fits// that will be the day
19:27 mircea_popescu lol
19:30 TheNewDeal yes pays 1.46... dayam
19:31 ThickAsThieves Bet created: "Cat 1 or Greater Hurricane to Strike Eastern Seaboard" /// noooooooooo
19:32 ThickAsThieves bitbet hurricane insurance open for business!
19:32 TheNewDeal hahaha. maybe nfl injury is next
19:32 ThickAsThieves http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=3470#comic
19:32 assbot Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal
19:34 kakobrekla https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2gs5ji/holy_smokes_someone_plunked_down_1000_bitcoin_on/ckm6d3x
19:34 assbot TeamFairlay comments on Holy Smokes! Someone plunked down 1000 bitcoin on No today for the Berkshire vs Bitcoin bet on bitbet.us
19:34 kakobrekla so eager.
19:34 kakobrekla first fairlay, then moose responds...
19:34 TheNewDeal and then betmoose follows
19:34 TheNewDeal hahah
19:35 TheNewDeal funny because people were just talking about scamsites that disappear over night, e.g. bitco.in
19:35 TheNewDeal " placed a small bet on No early on, due to the weight. I believe the bet will resolve as Yes, but the payout on No was great at the time.
19:35 TheNewDeal I bet this was the whale's plan the whole time."
19:38 mircea_popescu kakobrekla will end up with them killing each other over who's the real true inheritor of bitbet
19:38 ThickAsThieves so many posts in that reddit start with 'i dont have a clue wtf i'm talmbout, but..."
19:38 mircea_popescu "but I'm on reddit, so" ?
19:38 ThickAsThieves "but i'm hoping you'll think so anyway"
19:39 mircea_popescu that smbc comic is basically bitbet bet process.
19:40 TheNewDeal some bets do need lots of clarification, almost immediately
19:40 asciilifeform in the style of mircea_popescu's 'cryptogram' puzzlers:
19:40 asciilifeform http://imgur.com/0n41XZQ
19:40 assbot Kriptogram! - Imgur
19:40 ThickAsThieves teamfairlay = we are awesomer because you can bet however you want, with 100s of satoshis on the line!
19:40 mircea_popescu asciilifeform one word ?
19:40 asciilifeform only hint - pertains to something actually discussed today.
19:40 asciilifeform two words.
19:41 kakobrekla not a waterfall ?
19:41 mircea_popescu eaglecanaris lol
19:41 asciilifeform nope.
19:42 asciilifeform mircea_popescu nearly ruined it
19:42 penguirker New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/cointerra-16nm-shiva-asic/
19:42 mircea_popescu IM TRYING TO SOLVE IT!
19:42 TheNewDeal united nazis
19:42 mircea_popescu nah it has to do with apple
19:42 mircea_popescu american canaries ?
19:43 asciilifeform perhaps BingoBoingo can solve it now
19:43 ThickAsThieves veblen canary?
19:43 mircea_popescu seal canaries ?
19:43 kakobrekla the flags looks like waterfall to me.
19:43 mircea_popescu kakobrekla it's a waterscam
19:44 ThickAsThieves motherland canaries
19:44 asciilifeform http://pastebin.com/VJqmxJW3 << answer rot13'd
19:44 assbot jneenag pnanevrf - Pastebin.com
19:44 asciilifeform damn
19:45 ThickAsThieves neato
19:45 BingoBoingo lol
19:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform lol now you know how i felt.
19:45 mircea_popescu for about a year running, 100 or so of these
19:45 mircea_popescu people solved them in ~1 hour.
19:45 mircea_popescu took me days to come up with them
19:46 asciilifeform this one sorta forced itself into my skullcase
19:46 mircea_popescu yup same thing.
19:48 BingoBoingo http://gawker.com/man-in-standoff-with-texas-police-is-sending-live-updat-1636550134
19:48 assbot Man in Standoff With Texas Police Is Sending Live Updates From Whisper
19:49 mircea_popescu best thing that could ever happen for whisper.
19:49 mircea_popescu i wonder how long before they start paying people to do this
19:50 mircea_popescu "Could anyone really believe the earth was going to swallow up the incredible productive assets and unlimited human ingenuity existing in America?"
19:50 asciilifeform laugh if you like, but this sod did not sign with key known to be his...
19:50 mircea_popescu heh. bad government can ruin anything.
19:50 asciilifeform so he's really an extra in this film.
19:51 mircea_popescu wtf is kinja
19:51 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ""We have confirmation from the interior of the vehicle that this is indeed the guy in the standoff," Slade Sohmer"
19:51 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: It's Nick Denton's Facebook knockoff, except super scam
19:51 mircea_popescu i guess the vehicle is spying on him
19:52 kakobrekla ok ok i got it: american waterfall watering nazi zombies!
19:52 kakobrekla yes?
19:53 BingoBoingo Waterboard Canary
19:55 asciilifeform http://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2014/01/20/scotland-leaves-what-happens-flag/ny0XThnF8rUdPk5UlDUXkI/story.html
19:55 assbot If Scotland leaves, what happens to UK’s flag? - Ideas - The Boston Globe
19:56 mircea_popescu why no country has a naked woman for a flag ?
19:56 asciilifeform someone - has to be first.
19:56 penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/further-argentine-weird/
19:56 mircea_popescu i can totally see making stoya the flag of england.
19:58 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that's not a museum; it's a typical medieval-style reliquary.
19:58 asciilifeform 'sh4rds of th3 tru3 cr0ss'
19:59 mircea_popescu lol
19:59 asciilifeform typical of both roman & greek church folks, oddly enough.
20:00 asciilifeform http://putnik1.livejournal.com/2048845.html << highly relevant
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20:00 asciilifeform ^ was a mega-derp in the russian derposphere;
20:00 asciilifeform someone posts photo of young fella in kitchen. tonnes of flamage follow
20:01 asciilifeform about how 'disgusting soviet hovels we lived in!' 'no, you disgusting liberast, fellating american cock' 'no you...' etc
20:01 mircea_popescu lol
20:01 asciilifeform turns out, guess who's making tea with milk.
20:01 mircea_popescu it was pretty sad,
20:01 asciilifeform and in what country
20:02 mircea_popescu but it was pretty universal. post ww2 europe was a shithole on par with africa.
20:02 mircea_popescu just, fortunately, not inhabited by africans.
20:02 asciilifeform (lenon)
20:04 * asciilifeform was not fooled, but only because of wrong mains socket
20:06 mike_c kakobrekla, anyone hit the affiliate lottery today?
20:08 kakobrekla the highest was 0.02897384 it seems
20:08 mike_c so the 1000 was ref free. good for shareholders :)
20:08 kakobrekla but theres some funky stuff going on with aff. are you getting anything out?
20:09 mike_c yeah, the above mentioned was me.
20:10 kakobrekla a, good to hear.
20:13 TheNewDeal does anyone know the website that allows one to purchase from amazon with bitcoin by proxy?
20:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 213 @ 0.0075 = 1.5975 BTC [+]
20:16 RagnarDanneskjol purse.io
20:19 chetty http://liveuamap.com/e/2014/18-september-russian-fighters-in-swedish-airspace-swedish?ll=54.69764633408021;10.818786621093789&zoom=6
20:19 assbot Russian fighters in swedish airspace. Swedish fighters in pursuit.
20:20 * kakobrekla has just discovered http://bitbet.su O_o
20:20 assbot BitBet - - -
20:21 asciilifeform lol, mitm proxy ?
20:22 mircea_popescu iiincredible, #b-a link but info@su ?
20:24 mircea_popescu 1JPrww7oTyPr2dk14ep6ZMJaTWUSBpHT3t kakobrekla ours or not ?
20:26 kakobrekla ours
20:26 mircea_popescu so it's a weird clone ? odd.
20:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28822 @ 0.00075106 = 21.6471 BTC [+] {2}
20:28 kakobrekla o fuck.
20:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8199 @ 0.00074984 = 6.1479 BTC [-]
20:29 asciilifeform also possible that only mitms certain loads.
20:29 asciilifeform e.g., specific bet, or from specific ip ranges
20:30 kakobrekla its requesting the address from bitbet server with a referral.
20:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.16200262 = 1.296 BTC [-] {4}
20:32 mircea_popescu ima write this up brb
20:32 RagnarDanneskjol mircea_popescu - the deed bot is complete /demo ready, works like a charm. i think moloko wants to clean up a few things, I'll try to get him to drop in tonight to discuss - might be late
20:32 mircea_popescu cool.
20:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.16025261 = 1.923 BTC [-] {7}
20:35 RagnarDanneskjol !up RagnarsBitch
20:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00075219 = 11.4333 BTC [+]
20:38 mike_c this was my first experience with romania.. i launched my website and some .ro clone pointing at my server popped up a week later.
20:41 mike_c lol, it's out of date.
20:41 mike_c doesn't have today's action on brk
20:42 mike_c silly russians
20:42 kakobrekla i think it wont allow you to iframe it so i guess he runs some cronjob and parses it over
20:43 kakobrekla but yeah, you could do it on the fly
20:44 kakobrekla that is how http://josh-zerlan.com works
20:44 assbot BitBet - BFL will deliver ASIC devices before March 1st :: 791.29 B (47%) on Yes, 898.53 B (53%) on No | closed 1 year 7 months ago
20:44 asciilifeform wtf is that
20:44 kakobrekla oh, well ask mp.
20:47 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/heres-a-mystery-the-internet-may-wish-to-help-elucidating/ << looking for comments
20:47 assbot Here’s a mystery the Internet may wish to help elucidating. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
20:48 mircea_popescu asciilifeform bfl scammer, had a deal with betsofbitco.in and other similar junklets to make a fake bfl will deliver bet, then call it "unresolvable" and cancel if they don't.
20:49 mircea_popescu once the divergence between bitbet and the rest was painfully obvious, bfl put 500+ btc on bitbet, then failed to deliver. bitbet didn't cancel their bet.
20:49 mircea_popescu cue six weeks campaign about how "bitbet is a scam" and the burial of the actual scams, from high to low.
20:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7745 @ 0.00074984 = 5.8075 BTC [-]
20:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29860 @ 0.00074928 = 22.3735 BTC [-] {2}
20:57 ThickAsThieves why does something have to be going on other than a guy that wants to get as many referrals as possible (insecure methods aside)
20:58 mircea_popescu why is he using the glbse/theymos addy ?
20:58 ThickAsThieves because he is one of them
20:58 mircea_popescu why do this then ?!
20:58 ThickAsThieves what should he do?
20:58 mircea_popescu i mean... for any conceivable goal there's a better approach
20:58 kakobrekla its a good idea really. he gets all the money, bitbet does all the work. i wish i came up with it!
20:58 mircea_popescu i dunno, make abunch of mfa sites ?
20:59 ThickAsThieves seems like a great setup, he can copycat while getting referrals and then one day cash that in by selectively scamming
20:59 ThickAsThieves and then full scam
20:59 mircea_popescu so then wouldn't you have used some new addresses ?
21:00 ThickAsThieves well you now are adding that he is a smart scammer
21:00 ThickAsThieves the glbse guy
21:00 mircea_popescu so if he's that dumb how did he manage to make the clone work.
21:00 ThickAsThieves filed under smart in your records?
21:01 ThickAsThieves i wouldnt hire my plumber to do my taxes?
21:01 mircea_popescu hm.
21:01 mircea_popescu i dunno man, it's so fucking weird...
21:01 ThickAsThieves scammers are pretty weird
21:01 ThickAsThieves so are foreigners
21:01 mircea_popescu so are whores. maybe it's a whore ?
21:01 ThickAsThieves could be
21:01 mircea_popescu cats are also pretty weird...
21:01 ThickAsThieves probly just mike_c tho
21:01 mircea_popescu maybe it's a cat.
21:02 mircea_popescu yeah is one of you asshats trolling me ?
21:02 kakobrekla cats leave paw traces.
21:02 ThickAsThieves is probly the "can you understand an engine guy"
21:02 ThickAsThieves " guy
21:03 mircea_popescu lol at that glowfrost redditard. "oh, all the bitbet scam reports".
21:03 mircea_popescu except no bitbet scam reports exist, but for libertard heaven there's no need to actually have anything at all. you can just make a sum of all the things you don't have.
21:03 mircea_popescu like the global warming consensus.
21:03 ThickAsThieves scam reporters are notoriously a scam
21:04 ThickAsThieves like BBB
21:04 ThickAsThieves fukn scum
21:04 kakobrekla you just reported a scam as as scam, you scammer.
21:04 ThickAsThieves this is not investment advice!
21:04 mike_c heh, me doing the scam site? plz. btcalpha is more up to date than that thing.
21:05 mike_c although i did scam BB once.
21:05 ThickAsThieves can one site change another site's cookie?
21:06 mike_c aw, it's gone.
21:06 mike_c but fun for pranks: http://shrturl.co/
21:06 assbot SHRTURL - The web editor
21:07 mike_c ThickAsThieves: no.
21:07 mike_c enforced by browser ofc, like all web sekurity
21:07 penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/heres-a-mystery-the-internet-may-wish-to-help-elucidating/
21:07 kakobrekla btw the content on .su is like 10 days old
21:07 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves not on any browser made after msie 4.0
21:08 mike_c they get bored quickly. how did you find it? usually they don't get much traffic
21:08 mircea_popescu what i don't get is the partial russian translation here and there
21:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.0007285 = 0.7285 BTC [+] {3}
21:08 mike_c oh, derp. ic on trilema
21:09 kakobrekla mike_c googlefu.
21:10 kakobrekla <mircea_popescu> what i don't get is the partial russian translation here and there < my guess is it wants to justify its legitimacy by providing translation service.
21:11 mike_c any of those guys russian? theymos, nefario, etc.?
21:11 mircea_popescu okay, but a) it's such a huge red flag for either russian or english speakers,
21:11 mircea_popescu mike_c nah, they're both brits, and both bums
21:11 mircea_popescu kinda how they met.
21:11 mircea_popescu and b) who the fuck translates "do"
21:11 kakobrekla my guess is thermos is not a bum with the forum coins.
21:12 mike_c must be crappy machine translation. ascii?
21:12 mircea_popescu you have no idea how fast bums can go through widnfalls.
21:12 mike_c also, did you try emailing them yet?
21:13 kakobrekla "Hello dear beloved scammer. Can you stop it pretty please?" ?
21:13 mircea_popescu email is kako's dept, and i think he prefers the passive role.
21:14 kakobrekla yeah, i have been degraded to secretary and now i take it up the ass too.
21:15 mircea_popescu omg :(
21:15 kakobrekla wait, isn that the passive mode?!
21:16 mircea_popescu you have a dirty mind :D
21:16 mike_c i was thinking more like 'i c you are valuable affiliate partner, who are you?'
21:17 mircea_popescu mike_c here's the problem : would you credit anything they said ?
21:17 mircea_popescu i wouldn't, which is why i didn't email.
21:18 mike_c depends on what they said. more communication = more opportunities for slipup/information.
21:18 mircea_popescu or the feint thereof.
21:18 mike_c unless you just want to put them on the ignore list.
21:19 mike_c my thoughts go down the path of: 1) start pinging their site, see when it updates. 2) correlate with my server logs and see where they are scraping from
21:19 mircea_popescu you can;t stop scraping.
21:20 mike_c of course. you can report them to google (and maybe even yandex?)
21:21 mircea_popescu actually them being obscure is their main advantage, which is a large part of why i wrote about it
21:22 mircea_popescu there's kinda 0 incentive to report them from a game pov.
21:22 mike_c depends where they get traffic from. if they are pushing seo hard maybe they will be ranking higher than you.
21:22 mircea_popescu yeah, lol. that'll happen.
21:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00074975 = 9.4843 BTC [+]
21:23 mike_c i don't know how resistant yandex is to black hat seo.
21:23 mircea_popescu hey kako http://xkcd.com/236/
21:23 assbot xkcd: Collecting Double-Takes
21:26 TheNewDeal oh my, the hidden text is quality on that one
21:27 mike_c big lol. ty for pointing that out.
21:30 kakobrekla .su mentioned on the forum https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130455.msg6181903#msg6181903
21:30 assbot Теханализ и не только
21:32 kakobrekla in april.
21:34 decimation asciilifeform: your algorithm is a simple version of the "cordic algorithm" which is in use by nearly all dsp pros
21:35 mircea_popescu !up tokyopotato
21:36 tokyopotato thanks
21:36 tokyopotato i really need to figure out this WoT thing
21:37 mircea_popescu kakobrekla that shit promises to get nasty.
21:37 mircea_popescu people might not spot us/su
21:38 kakobrekla >We have a lot of security measures designed to prevent theft of Bitcoins, and recently we've had a bug with the security measures that sometimes causes withdrawals to get stuck. It's been hard to diagnose, because often it's just a handful of withdrawals that get stuck, which doesn't give us a lot of diagnostic data. We actually did an update today that we think might resolve the issue, but we won't know for sure until time passes and
21:38 kakobrekla we don't see more stuck withdrawals.
21:39 kakobrekla security measures so complex they cant understand them them selfs?
21:39 mircea_popescu who's this ?
21:39 kakobrekla kraken
21:39 mircea_popescu lol k
21:39 kakobrekla this has been going on for half a year now
21:40 kakobrekla i dont use them ,just reding up.
21:40 TheNewDeal holy shit
21:41 TheNewDeal is this just a raw translation of bitbet, or is it some scamsite?
21:41 kakobrekla and the response re bug: Dargo, thanks for your fast reply. That speak loud. Many other exchanges are run by monkeys with funny hats! I'll sure look up for unleashing the kraken Smiley
21:41 * kakobrekla goes to find the silly hat
21:42 kakobrekla only the package matters!
21:42 mircea_popescu !up SubCreative
21:42 SubCreative ;;ident
21:42 gribble Nick 'SubCreative', with hostmask 'SubCreative!~SubCreati@unaffiliated/cannacoin', is not identified.
21:42 SubCreative Hola
21:42 TheNewDeal looks like all the bitstamp bots have gone to sleep
21:43 mircea_popescu kakobrekla you know the stuff's usually paid posting
21:43 kakobrekla TheNewDeal read the trilema article
21:43 mircea_popescu SubCreative hello. who are you ?
21:43 mircea_popescu !up jamesonwa
21:43 SubCreative Dev of Cannacoin
21:43 kakobrekla actually i dont think its paid since if you want to get anything done with kraken you must post a some sort of 'complaint' to ze forum.
21:43 mircea_popescu whassat ?
21:43 SubCreative Alt crypto for the Cannabis industry.
21:43 jamesonwa Crypto for cannabis
21:44 mircea_popescu i had no idea it was an industry
21:44 jamesonwa ;;ident
21:44 gribble Nick 'jamesonwa', with hostmask 'jamesonwa!~jamesonwa@2601:8:a400:178:ada8:a831:f99d:b226', is not identified.
21:44 jamesonwa ;;eauth jamesonwa
21:44 mircea_popescu what, and high times is a trade rag ?
21:44 gribble Request successful for user jamesonwa, hostmask jamesonwa!~jamesonwa@2601:8:a400:178:ada8:a831:f99d:b226. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/EE5B1CCF6A25351D
21:44 jamesonwa ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:57b01a63a263be6509b5b9a923194473e0b1a45b0cacd9168fc0dc72
21:44 gribble You are now authenticated for user jamesonwa with key EE5B1CCF6A25351D
21:44 jamesonwa ;;ident
21:44 gribble Nick 'jamesonwa', with hostmask 'jamesonwa!~jamesonwa@2601:8:a400:178:ada8:a831:f99d:b226', is identified as user 'jamesonwa', with GPG key id EE5B1CCF6A25351D, key fingerprint CA46000F350C11A8345811EEEE5B1CCF6A25351D, and bitcoin address 1GeB8nwdHu5ykF8CZf8xQ7gQiUQrycyq4S
21:44 danielpbarron why shouldn't the "cannabis industry" use bitcoin?
21:44 kakobrekla why does the cannabis industry need a coin of its own?
21:44 TheNewDeal EXACTLY what I was just typing
21:45 jamesonwa It's not industry specific to our needs.
21:45 kakobrekla will you make the password unforgettable?
21:45 SubCreative ;;ident
21:45 gribble CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'SubCreative', with hostmask 'SubCreative!~SubCreati@unaffiliated/cannacoin', is identified as user 'Peezr', with GPG key id 4AE29B6BC467562C, key fingerprint E13615BBDDEC143A5CA5A5AC4AE29B6BC467562C, and bitcoin address 15xY1HTs66r7VwYi6ntAA3hZu3mnmVwBFv
21:45 mircea_popescu a coin with unrememberable passwords may be fun
21:46 kakobrekla does it use proof of smoke?
21:46 SubCreative Where are you from mircea?
21:46 TheNewDeal on a scale of 1 to 10, how is cannacoin's usability?
21:46 TheNewDeal test
21:46 danielpbarron what? the industry needs it's own curreny to debase? What "needs" does Bitcoin not fulfill?
21:46 SubCreative Im from Seattle, WA one of two legal recreational states for marijuana.
21:46 decimation cannabis in the us cannot be purchased with 'bank dollars'
21:46 mircea_popescu SubCreative romania.
21:46 decimation because banks are federally regulated and pot is federally illegal
21:46 kakobrekla decimation whats wrong with buttcoin
21:46 SubCreative Bitcoin is too slow for real world transactions.
21:46 TheNewDeal it's easy enough to stick an atm in a weed shop
21:46 decimation lol
21:47 SubCreative And it's not just a currency, we're a network offering tools and services.
21:47 mircea_popescu so how fast is this thing ?
21:47 decimation he's a tool
21:47 SubCreative Im currently developing an entire merchant processing solution and custom trade service.
21:47 SubCreative Just for our merchants in the industry of cannabis.
21:47 decimation in theory one could operate a bitcoin<-> usd atm in a pot shop
21:47 tokyopotato ;;eauth tokyopotato
21:47 gribble Error: This nick is not registered. Please register.
21:47 danielpbarron SubCreative, a Bitcoin transaction is practically instantaneous -- you'll have to come up with a better pitch than that for your scamcoin if you want to attract any suckers
21:47 TheNewDeal lets say I'm a dispensary purchasing 2kg of medical grade cannabis from a supplier. Is bitcoin too slow?
21:48 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal can take half an hour...
21:48 SubCreative danielpbarron: You can try to think of it any way you want, we've been around for ~6 months already with no premine and no serious pump/dumps
21:48 BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/KingdomJock/status/512747671262490624
21:48 assbot Seriously though, is that not a Yes vote on top of the No pile??? /hashtag/indyref?src=hash http://t.co/07kx46cqhW
21:48 SubCreative so scam or pump/dump is kind of out of the question by now...
21:48 decimation colorado already has coloradocoin http://time.com/2839059/colorados-new-pot-banking-law-wont-solve-cash-problems/
21:48 assbot Marijuana Legalization: Colorado Pot Banking Law Passed
21:49 tokyopotato there's many applications for blockchain tech other than currency
21:49 tokyopotato so someone makes their own blockchain? what's the fucking big deal?
21:49 SubCreative TheNewDeal: we're not here to replace BTC
21:49 tokyopotato jesus chris you guys need to quit pissing your pants
21:49 SubCreative We're here to support and and be apart of the network.
21:49 mircea_popescu SubCreative ever seen http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/ ?
21:49 assbot The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as “cryptocurrencies” pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
21:49 danielpbarron oh 6 months? well then it couldn't possibly be a scam! how long did gox last?
21:50 decimation there's no problem with altcoins. I am pissing on the idea that they will ever be worth anything
21:50 SubCreative danielpbarron: save it, you guys asked.
21:50 SubCreative I came to participate in a bitcoin-assets channel...
21:50 decimation this ain't 2011 anymore, the ship has sailed
21:51 mircea_popescu SubCreative simmer down lol, people just hate new ideas.
21:51 tokyopotato like Ripple?
21:51 danielpbarron SubCreative, i'm "participating" right back at you :p
21:51 SubCreative danielpbarron, your the same troll from OTC
21:51 cazalla what's with every andreas wannabe spouting "blockchain technology"
21:51 The20YearIRCloud I will replace bitcoin with supercoin
21:51 SubCreative Im not unfamiliar to your name
21:52 mircea_popescu cazalla what'd you have it be, iron plows ? this ain't 2011 bc anymore.
21:52 * danielpbarron is flattered to have such a reputation in -otc
21:52 tokyopotato cazalla: maybe you would prefer "ledger" or "consensus tracker"
21:52 xmj ben_vulpes: around?
21:52 SubCreative It's not a good one :-\
21:52 SubCreative ;;gettrust danielpbarron
21:52 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask danielpbarron!~dpb@c-71-232-150-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net. Trust relationship from user Peezr to user danielpbarron: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -1 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Peezr&dest=danielpbarron | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=danielpbarron | Rated since: Thu Mar 21 17:26:04 2013
21:53 SubCreative ;;gettrust Peezr
21:53 jamesonwa ;;gettrust jamesonwa
21:53 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask SubCreative!~SubCreati@unaffiliated/cannacoin. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user Peezr to user Peezr: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 63 via 42 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Peezr&dest=Peezr | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Peezr | Rated since: Thu Jul 4 16:54:20 2013
21:53 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask jamesonwa!~jamesonwa@2601:8:a400:178:ada8:a831:f99d:b226. Trust relationship from user jamesonwa to user jamesonwa: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 171 via 106 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=jamesonwa&dest=jamesonwa | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jamesonwa | Rated since: Mon Nov 5 23:09:47 2012
21:53 SubCreative Go home danielpbarron
21:53 TheNewDeal just curious. was blazedout419 involved in any development of these weedalts?
21:54 tokyopotato ?
21:54 jamesonwa no
21:54 SubCreative blazed is just an og smokin og
21:54 jamesonwa I think he has his hands in physical coins
21:54 danielpbarron ;;gettrust assbot jamesonwa
21:54 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask jamesonwa!~jamesonwa@2601:8:a400:178:ada8:a831:f99d:b226. Trust relationship from user assbot to user jamesonwa: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=jamesonwa | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jamesonwa | Rated since: Mon Nov 5 23:09:47 2012
21:55 decimation any altcoin that wants to replace bitcoin as a savings vehicle is going to require overcoming bitcoin's considerable lead in investment, both in terms of expectation of future value and the build-out of proof-of-work devices
21:55 mircea_popescu ;;rate jamesonwa 1 Voice
21:55 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user jamesonwa has been recorded.
21:56 BingoBoingo Wait, is the FBI this desperate for TSR leads? First they come to my door all leik, "hurd u leik Bitcoinz" and now People show up on IRC with "This is Bitcoin, but with Weed!"
21:56 mircea_popescu just because they're after you doesn't mean you're not paranoid.
21:57 BingoBoingo Yeah
21:57 TheNewDeal easy phillip k dick
21:57 mircea_popescu SubCreative so is it scrypt ?
21:57 jamesonwa scrypt, migrating to PoS.
21:57 SubCreative Currently, we're moving to a PoS 2.0 model in a few weeks.
21:57 TheNewDeal BB, weed is legal in some states for the record
21:57 jamesonwa yes, PoS 2.0
21:57 danielpbarron migrating?? ...
21:58 SubCreative https://soundcloud.com/cannacoin/cannacoin-podcast-episode-001
21:58 assbot The Cannacoin Podcast - Episode 001 by The Cannacoin Podcast on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds
21:58 SubCreative yes danielpbarron
21:58 danielpbarron "don't mind us -- just manipulating your currency"
21:58 SubCreative That podcast will give you somebackground
21:58 kakobrekla proof of smoke then, noice.
21:58 mircea_popescu lol
21:59 BingoBoingo TheNewDeal> BB, weed is legal in some states for the record << Remember, it was the bong that did in Charlie Shrem
21:59 decimation how much premining has been done?
21:59 mircea_popescu SubCreative podcasts are a horrible medium. got the transcript somewhere ?
21:59 tokyopotato 99% decimation
21:59 SubCreative danielpbarron: last I checked, consensus doesnt' work like that.
21:59 tokyopotato for fairness
21:59 SubCreative mircea_popescu: Ill give you a interview that covers some of it.
21:59 SubCreative https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D6aEafesvlyc&ei=BY4bVIn-JsrvoATjyIKYCQ&usg=AFQjCNE_XH6hZiWR5KFb4DKd-c3m-gw9Wg&sig2=pX94budEV2A62QKx6R8sfg&bvm=bv.75775273,d.cGU
21:59 TheNewDeal It was a pot brownie, as far as I recall
21:59 SubCreative https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCUQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcoinjoint.info%2Fcannacoin-interview-new-cryptocurrency-contender-cannabis-market%2F&ei=BY4bVIn-JsrvoATjyIKYCQ&usg=AFQjCNEh1E9Ypw6_1t1DmC7PekLZF4eIAQ&sig2=sY8q8xxvzqaNt4ivpW4rEA&bvm=bv.75775273,d.cGU
21:59 SubCreative stupid google
21:59 mircea_popescu this hurt.
21:59 TheNewDeal and galavanting around like an asshole
21:59 SubCreative http://coinjoint.info/cannacoin-interview-new-cryptocurrency-contender-cannabis-market/
21:59 assbot Cannacoin Interview: A new cryptocurrency contender for the cannabis market - CoinJoint.info
22:00 danielpbarron it's probably easy to get consensus for your changes from what few idiots would actually use such a thing, SubCreative
22:00 tokyopotato TheNewDeal: weed is legal in WA state
22:00 TheNewDeal I've been there, I smoked it
22:01 TheNewDeal shows just how horrible an idea it was to legalize
22:01 tokyopotato TheNewDeal: you should have stopped and hung out with us, you'd have smoked a lot more
22:01 tokyopotato Well... if you pay for weed, yeah, but if you grow it... that's a bit different
22:01 mircea_popescu http://xkcd.com/256/ << what is this, 2000 ?
22:01 assbot xkcd: Online Communities
22:01 TheNewDeal colorado had the right idea with MJM
22:01 TheNewDeal took a step back with recreational
22:01 tokyopotato time will tell
22:01 TheNewDeal and now washington just shit the bed
22:01 tokyopotato yup, medical is priority #1 right now in WA
22:02 tokyopotato for the growers/dispensaries
22:02 TheNewDeal acting like they couldn't source 1000g of weed after 6 months
22:02 TheNewDeal a teenager could do such a thing
22:02 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal a teenager could have done the obamacare site, too
22:02 mircea_popescu what's your point
22:02 TheNewDeal my point is this
22:03 TheNewDeal the prices could not compete with street prices
22:03 decimation why didn't you cannacoin guys consider using ethereum?
22:03 TheNewDeal the supply couldnt keep up with demand
22:03 tokyopotato decimation: who says we didn't?
22:03 ben_vulpes xmj: yessss?
22:03 decimation okay, well why did you reject ethereum?
22:03 xmj ben_vulpes: are you looking for anything sysadmin payable in BTC, then?
22:03 tokyopotato decimation: when did we reject ethereum?
22:03 SubCreative Its not a rejceted idea by any means.
22:04 SubCreative An early untested experiment yes...
22:04 xmj Also, for once I agree with Paul Graham https://twitter.com/paulg/status/512776361824354304
22:04 assbot Political correctness is Victorian propriety with the variables changed.
22:04 xmj He seems to have been reading Moldbug.
22:04 mircea_popescu !up BuSheeZy
22:04 BuSheeZy :O
22:04 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal of course not. govt can't compete with free market.
22:04 BuSheeZy thank ya
22:04 danielpbarron is ethereum even a thing yet? i thought it was still just a pipe dream..
22:04 TheNewDeal anyways, would love to meet up with you all the next time I'm in the state
22:05 decimation "Thomas More: Richard, you couldn't answer for yourself even so far as tonight."
22:05 SubCreative danielpbarron, they have live betas
22:05 SubCreative And a few clients out
22:05 ThickAsThieves https://twitter.com/bbcscotlandnews/status/512762950642196480
22:05 assbot Dundee counting staff outside after being evacuated due to fire alarm. It looks a little chilly... http://t.co/xzdZqv4Dkv
22:05 TheNewDeal I actually travel to colorado more frequently
22:05 tokyopotato TheNewDeal: we would love to have you
22:05 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves nipples ?
22:06 ThickAsThieves nah
22:06 mircea_popescu no click.
22:06 TheNewDeal ;;rate tokyopotato May be worth a meet in WA. re: log 9/19 02:00
22:06 gribble Error: 'May' is not a valid integer.
22:06 ThickAsThieves poll staff all evacuated during counting
22:06 TheNewDeal ;;rate tokyopotato 1 May be worth a meet in WA. re: log 9/19 02:00
22:06 gribble Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
22:07 TheNewDeal eww
22:07 TheNewDeal who's all in your crew tokyopotato
22:08 SubCreative assbot has changed mode: -v tokyopotato
22:08 mircea_popescu !up tokyopotato
22:08 mircea_popescu gotta get in the wot
22:08 tokyopotato just reinstalled and got new interwebs
22:09 tokyopotato kk
22:09 mircea_popescu make sure you ecologically dispose of the old interwebs
22:09 tokyopotato lol
22:09 mircea_popescu don't just throw them on the superhighway
22:09 tokyopotato yeah buddy, we compost everything in the PNW
22:09 mircea_popescu i used to compost in romania. people were incensed.
22:10 tokyopotato ha
22:10 kakobrekla so i listened bits of that podcast - you need to read all the logs. twice.
22:10 tokyopotato that's a funny mental image
22:10 mircea_popescu kakobrekla what is this, 7 years in tibet ?
22:10 TheNewDeal 7 years in bitbet :D
22:10 kakobrekla hope it works?
22:10 TheNewDeal a short novella by thenewdeal
22:10 tokyopotato you guys have a resident stand-up comedian?
22:10 asciilifeform decimation: yes.
22:10 tokyopotato i like this place
22:11 asciilifeform decimation: what did you think it was - alien magic ?
22:11 kakobrekla thats in the other closet.
22:11 decimation asciilifeform: no, just wanted to fyi for the readers
22:11 mircea_popescu the dongs closet ?
22:12 decimation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CORDIC << what we are writing about
22:12 assbot CORDIC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
22:13 mircea_popescu decimation table lookup!!1
22:13 kakobrekla !up SubCreative
22:13 SubCreative !network
22:13 kakobrekla !lollipop
22:13 mircea_popescu !pippi longstocking
22:14 kakobrekla that worked.
22:14 decimation mircea_popescu: yeah that's pretty much the idea. it's amazing that such a seemingly 'approximate' algorithm can be made arbitrarily precise through iteration
22:14 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
22:14 mircea_popescu decimation no, actually, that's a requirement for numbers to work.
22:15 asciilifeform kakobrekla: the .su folks are scraping from an identifiable box / ip range ?
22:15 kakobrekla its coming from the ip that the site is hosted on.
22:16 asciilifeform mm, classy
22:16 asciilifeform kakobrekla: feed'em something interesting (let's say mismatched delimiters) & then fetch their turd a few msec after.
22:16 decimation well, there's nothing like putting a national flag on your pirate ship
22:17 mircea_popescu ;;isitdown bitbet.su
22:17 gribble bitbet.su is down
22:17 asciilifeform decimation: nothing like tossing a gram of antimatter aboard annoying bugger ship
22:17 mircea_popescu as thestringpuller reports, it's gone.
22:17 asciilifeform nope
22:17 asciilifeform works great here.
22:17 mircea_popescu um ?
22:17 The20YearIRCloud i wnat antimatter
22:17 mircea_popescu o.O
22:17 The20YearIRCloud *want
22:18 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud better stock up on antimattercoin then
22:18 The20YearIRCloud sweet
22:18 mircea_popescu it's a coin specific to the industry. plus platform.
22:19 kakobrekla asciilifeform seems like they only do live fetch when its time to pull an address. anyway, what would be the gain doing that - i fail to see?
22:19 asciilifeform see if coughs up guts.
22:19 mircea_popescu he's a hacker at heart.
22:19 decimation avast! overflow ye buffers!
22:19 mircea_popescu prolly going to name his child STAN&1=0--
22:19 asciilifeform after coughs up guts - haruspicy.
22:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: xkcd did that one already.
22:19 xmj ben_vulpes: that's a no ?
22:20 asciilifeform # 327.
22:20 mircea_popescu asciilifeform o it also has to be original ?!
22:20 asciilifeform 'little bobby tables'
22:20 kakobrekla well i guess we can try but i much doubt anything good will come out of it
22:22 decimation asciilifeform: apparently altium is going to release a 'free' version of their windows crapware
22:22 decimation the hook: you can only save to their 'cloud'
22:23 asciilifeform decimation: loltronics.
22:23 asciilifeform i bet all the other turdmeisters are ripping their hair out 'why didnchaithinkofthat'
22:23 decimation this rings a gong for those interested in jumping off the crapware wagon: use kicad
22:24 asciilifeform now if only kicad worked.
22:24 decimation it might suck but at least it won't turn your project into a freemium hook
22:24 decimation plus: can fork, like open bsd apache 1.3
22:24 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2014#712702
22:24 assbot Logged on 11-06-2014 02:35:54; decimation: what part failed - the autorouter?
22:24 asciilifeform 'geda' is considerably closer to working.
22:25 asciilifeform but - still no dice. if you're even a little unlucky (like yours truly) and your geometry is just so - geda's polygonal fills fall apart.
22:26 asciilifeform after several weeks of 'doctor it hurts when i do that / don't do that' i threw in the towel.
22:26 decimation supposedly the kicad autorouter has been improved
22:26 decimation but that's like lucy's football
22:26 asciilifeform since april ?
22:26 decimation I think so, let me check
22:26 asciilifeform decimation: don't bother. it isn't just the autorouter.
22:27 asciilifeform the fucker doesn't even refresh the screen correctly under a perfectly ordinary linux/x11
22:27 asciilifeform they don't test linux ver. - is the only possible conclusion.
22:27 decimation yeah, it's sad that even open source engineering tools are written for microshit
22:28 decimation but, it is a pretty tall mountain of chairs, if you want to use it for a foundation for something better :)
22:28 * asciilifeform is quite uninterested in flying on chairs.
22:28 ben_vulpes what, you don't even get in airplanes?
22:28 decimation I think that CERN are contributing to kicad these days
22:29 asciilifeform situations like this are more interesting than appear on surface - because they make it abundantly clear that no one really gives a flying fuck if the thing works or not
22:29 asciilifeform and if anyone is using it for serious work, they are using a patched version and aren't sharing
22:29 asciilifeform so hell knows what other gotchas are in the public turdball.
22:29 decimation apparently they have too many bezzlars/postdocs to do more physics
22:29 decimation yeah, there's not a working osx port either
22:31 asciilifeform if any of the humble labs i worked in / toured/ invaded are anything to go by - none of the postdocs design pcb - why??
22:31 asciilifeform they use racks and racks of off-the-shelf golden toilet modules and kilometres of cabling
22:31 decimation asciilifeform: golden toliet
22:32 decimation if they reset the research budget to $2000 they couldn't afford the bezzle-equipment
22:32 asciilifeform http://www.ikp.uni-koeln.de/~warr/doc/CERN_photos_2004/imm004_3A.jpg
22:32 asciilifeform ^ scenes like this.
22:33 asciilifeform wasn't hard to dredge up, either.
22:33 decimation that's probably well over $100k of equipment
22:33 asciilifeform why bother with pcb routing / etching / subcontracting when monkeys will run cable forever
22:33 dub that looks like a 3d render of a reason rack\
22:34 mats_cd03 http://apple.slashdot.org/story/14/09/18/2216222/apples-warrant-canary-has-died
22:34 assbot Apple's "Warrant Canary" Has Died - Slashdot
22:34 decimation asciilifeform: this is largely the case even in electrical engineering labs
22:34 asciilifeform when these people do design boards (i have seen this, believe or not) it's typically done by a kid with w4r3z cad proggy.
22:34 dub hmm, last looked at reason a looong time ago
22:35 decimation asciilifeform: they probably just click the 'autoroute' key
22:36 decimation http://teespring.com/autorouter
22:36 assbot NEVER trust the autorouter | Teespring
22:37 ben_vulpes ;;ticker
22:37 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 422.1, Best ask: 422.78, Bid-ask spread: 0.68000, Last trade: 422.79, 24 hour volume: 21826.17994814, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 451.4, 24 hour vwap: 428.525841782
22:38 ben_vulpes ;;sell 10
22:38 gribble (sell <amount> <thing> [at|@] <priceperunit> <otherthing> [<notes>]) -- Logs a sell order for <amount> units of <thing, at a price of <price> per unit, in units of <otherthing>. Use the optional <notes> field to put in any special notes. <price> may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, high, low, (1 more message)
22:38 TheNewDeal ;;market sell 10
22:38 gribble Bitstamp | A market order to sell 10 bitcoins right now would net 4219.4919 USD and would take the last price down to 421.7300 USD, resulting in an average price of 421.9492 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 142.6649 seconds
22:38 ben_vulpes thanks, TheNewDeal
22:38 TheNewDeal ;)
22:38 ben_vulpes ;;market sell 2000
22:38 gribble Bitstamp | A market order to sell 2000 bitcoins right now would net 817749.7190 USD and would take the last price down to 400.1300 USD, resulting in an average price of 408.8749 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 153.0889 seconds
22:38 ben_vulpes ;;market sell 10000
22:38 TheNewDeal ;;market sell 2000000
22:38 gribble Bitstamp | A market order to sell 10000 bitcoins right now would net 3671722.1909 USD and would take the last price down to 270.1200 USD, resulting in an average price of 367.1722 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 162.5575 seconds
22:38 gribble Bitstamp | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would sell 112732.42 bitcoins, for a total of 4941219.5228 USD and take the price to 0. | Data vintage: 162.7177 seconds
22:38 dub doit
22:38 TheNewDeal 2 BILLION dollars
22:39 ThickAsThieves to the core!
22:39 ben_vulpes can one model the effect cross-exchange?
22:39 ThickAsThieves one could program it, i dont think gribble has such
22:40 ThickAsThieves ;;market sell 10 ---market btce
22:40 gribble (market sell [--fiat] [--market <market>] [--currency XXX] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is Bitstamp. If --currency XXX is provided, converts to that fiat currency. Default is USD. If '--fiat' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in fiat.
22:40 ThickAsThieves ;;market sell 10 --market btce
22:40 gribble (market sell [--fiat] [--market <market>] [--currency XXX] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is Bitstamp. If --currency XXX is provided, converts to that fiat currency. Default is USD. If '--fiat' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in fiat.
22:41 ThickAsThieves ;;market sell --market btce --currency 10
22:41 gribble Error: '10' is not a valid currency code.
22:41 dub ;;market sell 10 [--market btce]
22:41 gribble Error: "--market" is not a valid command.
22:41 ThickAsThieves ;;market sell 10 --market btce --currency USD
22:41 gribble (market sell [--fiat] [--market <market>] [--currency XXX] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is Bitstamp. If --currency XXX is provided, converts to that fiat currency. Default is USD. If '--fiat' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in fiat.
22:41 ThickAsThieves ;;market sell --market btce --currency USD 10
22:41 gribble BTC-E | A market order to sell 10 bitcoins right now would net 4108.8243 USD and would take the last price down to 410.4270 USD, resulting in an average price of 410.8824 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0005 seconds
22:41 ThickAsThieves nppya!
22:41 ben_vulpes wd
22:41 ben_vulpes ;;market sell --market bitstamp --currency USD 1000
22:41 gribble Bitstamp | A market order to sell 1000 bitcoins right now would net 415085.0852 USD and would take the last price down to 407.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 415.0851 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0463 seconds
22:42 ben_vulpes ;;market sell --market btce --currency USD 1000
22:42 gribble BTC-E | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would sell 191.29848 bitcoins, for a total of 77860.4017 USD and take the price to 0. | Data vintage: 33.1611 seconds
22:42 ThickAsThieves lol
22:42 ben_vulpes ;;market sell --market btce --currency USD 100
22:42 gribble BTC-E | A market order to sell 100 bitcoins right now would net 40860.7184 USD and would take the last price down to 405.9010 USD, resulting in an average price of 408.6072 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 60.6819 seconds
22:42 ben_vulpes ;;market sell --market btce --currency USD 500
22:42 gribble BTC-E | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would sell 191.29848 bitcoins, for a total of 77860.4017 USD and take the price to 0. | Data vintage: 66.5407 seconds
22:42 ben_vulpes apologies for spam.
22:42 ben_vulpes just plotting points.
22:42 dub repent spammar
22:43 strtupfndr so have i told you about this magical aeroplane?
22:43 decimation ;;ident strupfndr
22:43 gribble Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
22:43 decimation ;;ident strtupfndr
22:43 kakobrekla asciilifeform no cigar on the .su but i did inject them with JS turning warning the visitors.
22:43 gribble Nick 'strtupfndr', with hostmask 'strtupfndr!~user@unaffiliated/benkay', is not identified.
22:43 decimation !up subcreative
22:43 strtupfndr it's got wifi and gpg
22:43 decimation !up subcreative
22:43 ben_vulpes anyways.
22:44 kakobrekla -turning
22:45 ben_vulpes is running a consulting shop and sucking dollars out of shartups a short on the bezzle market?
22:46 decimation ben_vulpes: I suspect this is how most money is 'made' in silly-con valley
22:46 ben_vulpes k
22:48 decimation imagine you just convinced your daddy's golf buddy to give you $100mn in seed money. you are now the 'bitcoin ceo' of your own startup! how do you make your 'idea' work? rent the talent that your roommate from stanford used for his startup!
22:48 ben_vulpes yeah, precisely.
22:48 ben_vulpes "i'll take the cash, you can keep the paper."
22:49 decimation meanwhile hire some 'zeks' and pay the half the median wage for their salary, in exchange for some vague promises of stock
22:49 gernika I am a consultant in silly-con valley
22:49 decimation gernika: is it working for you?
22:49 gernika definitely the way to go IMO
22:50 mats_cd03 o boy, Cannacoin
22:50 ben_vulpes i don't really buy that part decimation. the people who do rounds easily understand the problems of shitty software, and are loath to hire zeks at sub market wages.
22:50 mats_cd03 save yourselves thousands of hours of dev and just kill it right now
22:50 ben_vulpes which, i guess, is why they come to me. "please write some not shitty software. i'll pay you 1.25x market just so i can keep the paper and the software and not have to manage the zeks."
22:51 The20YearIRCloud zeks? Are those like zergs?
22:51 gernika I don't work with low wage people.
22:51 decimation lol there you go
22:51 The20YearIRCloud decimation: that method works great! (1/50th of the time)
22:51 mike_c ;;market baratio
22:51 gribble Bitstamp | Total bids: 4947423 USD. Total asks: 26576 BTC. Ratio: 186.15534 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 12.5409 seconds
22:51 decimation The20YearIRCloud: see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Sea%E2%80%93Baltic_Canal#Commemoration
22:51 assbot White SeaBaltic Canal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
22:52 decimation gernika: how did you manage to establish your bona fides?
22:52 The20YearIRCloud ah very cool
22:52 The20YearIRCloud we have a canal here
22:52 The20YearIRCloud linking the great lakes to the missisippi
22:53 kakobrekla http://shrani.si/f/t/Ep/47U5DHvV/bbsu.png
22:54 decimation The20YearIRCloud: the midwest was webbed with them until railroads made them obsolete
22:54 ben_vulpes lol wd kakobrekla
22:54 gernika decimation: I slaved at startups for years. Meanwhile my friends were actually making money consulting. I just started working for my friends.
22:54 The20YearIRCloud the one around me was one of the largest canals during the pre-railroad days
22:54 The20YearIRCloud and it's so funny because the canal is so freaking small
22:54 The20YearIRCloud but, if you dug 400+ miles of canal by hand, how far would you really want it?
22:56 ben_vulpes fuck
22:56 ben_vulpes startups
22:56 ben_vulpes so hard
22:56 mats_cd03 you sound disgruntled, sir
22:57 decimation The20YearIRCloud: in the UK they still have most of their canals, you can rent a narrowboat and cruise them: http://www.waterwaysholidays.com/
22:57 assbot Canal Boating Holidays. Narrowboat Barge and Norfolk Broads Boat Hire
22:57 gernika I made more consulting for a firm based out of Minnesota than I was working at the big name tech company that acquired a startup I had worked for. So yeah. Fuck startups.
22:57 mats_cd03 http://www.woodmann.com/forum/announcement.php?f=55 >> Woodmann about to starve. shame...
22:57 assbot 403 Forbidden
22:58 decimation gernika: I've noticed that it's a common pattern in today's economy: kid goes to work for borg-firm, gives up his flower of youth, and then later finds employment profiting on the idiocy he witnessed earlier
23:00 gernika decimation which is no compensation for giving up the flower of your youth for corporate america sadly
23:01 The20YearIRCloud very cool decimation
23:01 The20YearIRCloud anymore around here people just use the canals for fishing
23:02 decimation gernika: indeed, unfortunately there's no undergrad class on how not to be a chump
23:03 ben_vulpes gernika decimation: there's some value in witnessing the chumpatron from the inside.
23:03 ben_vulpes one must extract it oneself, but...
23:03 ben_vulpes in which scenarios is this not true.
23:03 ben_vulpes s/./?
23:03 decimation in taleb's antifragile, Fat Tony would have said that the chumps wouldn't believe you if you told them
23:05 ben_vulpes wouldn't believe what?
23:05 decimation they wouldn't believe that chumpatrons exist and that they were all likely to enter one
23:07 ben_vulpes ah yeah
23:08 ben_vulpes the house discussion with these people is a great example.
23:08 ben_vulpes "well of course you want to build equity!"
23:08 The20YearIRCloud which people
23:09 ben_vulpes and when you sell your house, do you account for all of the property taxes you've paid over its lifetime? the repairs made? the endless time spent fixing it?
23:09 ben_vulpes keeping the yard looking adequately neat to keep the homeowners association gruntled?
23:10 ben_vulpes tell me - how do you book those expenses, and how do you tally the ROI?
23:10 mats_cd03 i was under the impression selling homes is a matter of finding bagholders
23:10 mats_cd03 at least in usa
23:10 decimation ben_vulpes: don't forget the usg 'subsidy' of mortgages
23:12 gernika then there's the fact that when your house goes up in value, so does everyone else's, so its not like you can sell it and buy a bigger house. And if you don't buy another house with the proceeds of selling your house, you pay a lot of taxes.
23:12 ben_vulpes i just let the girl paint the walls whatever and book the deposit as a cost of renting.
23:12 decimation gernika: not unless it is your primary residence and your gains are less than $500k (as I recall)
23:13 ben_vulpes breaking news: my little brother just got knocked off his bike
23:13 ben_vulpes nobodycares.com
23:14 ben_vulpes but a hit and run! what assholes.
23:14 decimation call the democratic police, maybe they care
23:14 mats_cd03 still whole, i hope?
23:14 The20YearIRCloud mortgage interest can be deducted from taxes
23:16 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
23:16 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 423.24, Best ask: 424.54, Bid-ask spread: 1.30000, Last trade: 424.0, 24 hour volume: 21726.76443010, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 451.15, 24 hour vwap: 428.502197043
23:16 decimation ben_vulpes: I think the renting vs. buying thing is a generational shift in the us
23:16 decimation people younger than 40 are seeing how much their parents bought into the 'housing is infinite wealth' idea and they see how they were screwed
23:17 decimation plus many of them bought & were screwed on homes
23:17 ben_vulpes then there's the need to continue paying rent forever.
23:17 decimation you gotta live somewhere
23:17 ben_vulpes sure, but if the point is to eventually own it free and clear and not pay rent, property taxes still count as rent.
23:18 ben_vulpes to me at least.
23:18 mircea_popescu asciilifeform re the cern cabling : part of it is that they know it's gonna fail.
23:18 decimation totally agree, you never 'own' anything in the us
23:18 mircea_popescu if you recall, they failed for years before it even could be powered on
23:18 ben_vulpes decimation: i'm not convinced that i can own anything but btc any more.
23:18 mircea_popescu what pcbs.
23:18 ben_vulpes and even that...
23:18 mircea_popescu you can always own a good woman.
23:19 decimation mircea_popescu: but they 'spend' billions of 'money'?
23:19 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: some guys can
23:19 mircea_popescu decimation money isn't what it used to be.
23:19 ben_vulpes ownership is the hallmark of the elite?
23:20 mircea_popescu the alele elite. fun to say
23:20 ben_vulpes ;;ud alele
23:20 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/author.php?author=Ronnie+Alele | by ronnie Alele May 30, 2005 add a video add an image. 2. mana. female genetalia.(pussy). shes got a great mana. mark as favorite buy mana mugs & shirts.
23:20 ben_vulpes http://www.math.buffalo.edu/mad/PEEPS/williams_grace_alele.html
23:20 decimation I thought you meant allele
23:20 ben_vulpes apropos of naught
23:20 decimation ;;dict allele
23:20 gribble wn: allele n 1: (genetics) either of a pair (or series) of alternative forms of a gene that can occupy the same locus on a particular chromosome and that control the same character; "some alleles are dominant over others" [syn: {allele}, {allelomorph}]
23:20 mircea_popescu each of the genes that could occupy a spot.
23:21 mircea_popescu decimation yup
23:21 ben_vulpes allele
23:21 mircea_popescu http://shrani.si/f/t/Ep/47U5DHvV/bbsu.png << kako in active role.
23:21 ben_vulpes see now i'm in this horrible place where i *think* i know when you've made a mispelling, but then i double guess, then...
23:21 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes my ll is broken cause spanish. talk to ascillifeform
23:22 kakobrekla email v2.0
23:22 ben_vulpes asheele
23:22 mircea_popescu bitbetmessage
23:22 decimation I thought that definition 2 of the urban dictionary is what you were going after
23:22 kakobrekla lol
23:22 decimation ;;ud mana
23:22 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Mana | Mana is the founder of Malice Mizer, one of the most well known Japanese visual -kei bands. He is responsible for discovering the all poppular Gackt...
23:23 mircea_popescu anyway, i mostly came back for the lsdcoin discussion
23:23 mircea_popescu what happened to that
23:24 decimation that kinda petered out right as you left
23:25 decimation we've been derping about some technical stuff, gernika, ben_vulpes and I were talking about the silly-con valley employment scam
23:25 mircea_popescu gernika: I am a consultant in silly-con valley << win.
23:26 mircea_popescu as i wallk through the valley of the silly con
23:26 gernika mircea_popescu lol seems to be better than other things I've tried
23:26 mircea_popescu i fear no evil...
23:26 kakobrekla its useless that coin. some btc fan late to the party. and we wont use litecoin that is made to supposedly solve that supposed problem because you cant really smoke 'lite'.
23:27 mircea_popescu kakobrekla i was going to give it to him slowly, but danielpbarron had to go all teenager hormonal on the nice ppls.
23:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00075023 = 15.6423 BTC [+] {2}
23:27 thestringpuller %t
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23:27 kakobrekla you slowly? have you been smoking that thing?
23:28 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud: zeks? Are those like zergs? << gulag prisoner labor in soviet research.
23:28 The20YearIRCloud ah
23:28 mircea_popescu kakobrekla las chicas wearing me out man
23:28 kakobrekla hehehe
23:28 The20YearIRCloud are my kids candidates for the poster prize thing?
23:28 mircea_popescu not unless you're the sort of guy that makes them pay rent.
23:29 asciilifeform 'zek' ~= 'inmate', from pseudo-abbreviation 'з/к' for 'заключённый' (inmate, 'confined one')
23:29 decimation the canonical book on the topic: http://klassix.net/keith/Kindle%20Backup%202-20-11/documents/First%20Circle,%20The%20-%20Alexander%20Solzhenitsyn.txt
23:31 decimation the wikipedia says that there's an even deeper meaning derived from the beginnings of the gulag system: "A memory of the canal is also preserved in the Russian language, in the words "zeka", "zek, z/k" for "inmate". In Russian, "inmate", "incarcerated" is заключённый (zakliuchyonnyi), usually abbreviated to "з/к" in paperwork, and pronounced as "зэка" (IPA: [zɨˈka], "zeh-KA"), which gradually transformed into "
23:31 decimation зэк" and "зек", zek (both pronounced as IPA: [ˈzɛk]). The word is still in colloquial use. "
23:31 asciilifeform well yes, that.
23:32 decimation "Originally the abbreviation stood for zaklyuchyonny kanaloarmeyets (Russian: заключённый каналоармеец), literally "incarcerated canal-army-man"."
23:32 kakobrekla zek is a rabbit.
23:32 asciilifeform ^ more or less known to everyone who speaks the langauge
23:33 asciilifeform kakobrekla: where?
23:33 kakobrekla well here i guess.
23:33 decimation I find learning another language to be a good way to find out how I am ignorant of things that millions of children know
23:33 kakobrekla or what where
23:33 asciilifeform kakobrekla: and not 'zajec' or the like ?
23:34 mircea_popescu they don';t distinguish
23:34 kakobrekla officially, but zek in many dialects
23:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: we don't usually bother to distinguish either.
23:35 mircea_popescu unserious, all of you!
23:35 mircea_popescu decimation: The20YearIRCloud: in the UK they still have most of their canals, you can rent a narrowboat and cruise them: http://www.waterwaysholidays.com/ <<< i did this.
23:35 assbot Canal Boating Holidays. Narrowboat Barge and Norfolk Broads Boat Hire
23:35 The20YearIRCloud Very cool, i imagine it'd be fun
23:35 The20YearIRCloud here people just jetski down rivers :D
23:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: believe or not, the canals here are also preserved. though i bet the neighbours wish someone'd fill them in.
23:36 kakobrekla asciilifeform http://www.zek.si/fresh/exhibition-zek-2012/
23:36 assbot The ZEK Crew » EXHIBITION ZEK (2012)
23:36 asciilifeform they're pestilential cesspools
23:36 decimation mircea_popescu: I haven't done the narrowboats, are they a good time?
23:37 mircea_popescu decimation well that all depends. they're exactly what advertised on tin
23:37 mircea_popescu also did a dudley mines on boat tour thing
23:37 decimation asciilifeform: my favorite quote from "in the first circle": "A familiar figure in many prison research establishments, Professor Chelnov, an old mathematician arrested seventeen years ago and who, when he had to fill in a form, put down his nationality not as 'Russian' but as 'zek', had applied his mind to many inventions, from the direct flow boiler to the jet engine, and had put his heart and soul into several of them."
23:38 decimation mircea_popescu: my understanding is that the narrowboats are popular with chums who 'pub crawl' on water
23:39 mircea_popescu gernika: I made more consulting for a firm based out of Minnesota than I was working at the big name tech company that acquired a startup I had worked for. So yeah. Fuck startups. << acquihires are usually pitiful affairs that rarely work
23:39 mircea_popescu no idea why they keep doing it
23:39 mircea_popescu decimation kinda what i meant. depends on your crowd. can conceivably be awful, can be pretty fun
23:40 mircea_popescu might also depend on age.
23:41 decimation I wanna ride this device: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkirk_Wheel
23:41 assbot Falkirk Wheel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
23:41 gernika mircea_popescu: agreed. not a viable outcome for employees. Although in my case they kept our product alive until it was killed in a second acquisition so it was sort of a semi-acquihire. Still a complete waste of money.
23:42 mircea_popescu and time.
23:42 mircea_popescu at least quick death is merciful on time
23:42 gernika so true
23:42 mircea_popescu decimation that looks pretty cool.
23:43 asciilifeform 'With an *ugh!* and a groan, and a kick of the heels, / Death comes quiet, or it comes with squeals...'
23:45 decimation asciilifeform: I'm pretty sure the warez book I linked above is a shitty translation
23:48 mircea_popescu re the houseowning discussion : house market is commodified. carrying the cost of inventory makes no sense whatsoever, unless it does. and if it does you want the economies of scale and 100s of unit.s
23:48 mircea_popescu there's this... can't be your own car mechanic. it's just not worth it.
23:48 mircea_popescu similarly, can't be your own landlord. not worth it.
23:49 The20YearIRCloud economies of scale for building or what?
23:49 mircea_popescu sure, some people enjoy, either, as a hobby. some people do their own tattoos.
23:49 mircea_popescu still not a global solution.
23:49 decimation mircea_popescu: there's this thing in American culture that you aren't a 'real person' if you don't 'own' your home
23:49 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud no, for administering real estate.
23:49 mircea_popescu decimation there used to be this thing that you're not a real woman if you give good head
23:49 The20YearIRCloud agent or property management?
23:49 mircea_popescu so what of it ?
23:49 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud the latter.
23:50 The20YearIRCloud yeah, property management is terrible for income
23:50 mircea_popescu try doing it with just one unit.
23:51 The20YearIRCloud Yeah, except if you own it
23:51 mircea_popescu it doesn't magically get better if you own it
23:51 decimation 'own'
23:51 mircea_popescu it gets fucking worse.
23:51 The20YearIRCloud the management aspect is pretty easy, not very time consuming. The problem is for an outside manager, the income you can charge is quite low
23:51 The20YearIRCloud Around here it's 8%
23:52 mircea_popescu maintaining a house is a full time job.
23:52 The20YearIRCloud Depends on the house
23:53 The20YearIRCloud we don't spend significant sums of time on upkeep
23:53 mircea_popescu simple question for "homeowners". calculate your per-passerby liability for injury happening on "your" sidewalk. just as a curio.
23:53 decimation 'owning' your home is partially renting from the government, partially speculation on mortgage bonds, and partially a 'ticket' to future 'wealth'
23:54 mircea_popescu by th time you're done with that, it should be clear why it's not the headache you want.
23:54 The20YearIRCloud mircea_popescu: some states/countries exempt homeowners from stuff like that, i know mine does
23:54 mircea_popescu decimation and partially unbounded liability.
23:54 decimation mircea_popescu: in the us you can buy "umbrella insurance" for such a possibility
23:54 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud but not from other, similar things.
23:54 mircea_popescu decimation not my point.
23:54 mircea_popescu how do you know you're not getting gypped ?
23:54 mircea_popescu just because you can "buy umbrella insurance" doesn't mean it's not there.
23:55 The20YearIRCloud what things?
23:55 mircea_popescu thw work is still there, even if you piecemeal it away.
23:55 decimation true, somebody pays
23:55 The20YearIRCloud case law in my state is quite favorable to the homeowner for accidents caused on-site
23:55 The20YearIRCloud and the risk factor is quite low when you look at broad groups of data for occurance rates. If it was high then there'd be no one doing management or landlording
23:55 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud what happens if you don't get your triannual inspection for electric wires ?
23:55 The20YearIRCloud those don't exist here
23:56 decimation The20YearIRCloud: the real screwjob is trying to insure unoccupied properties
23:56 decimation The20YearIRCloud: don't you need to have an inspector come by before you rent?
23:56 The20YearIRCloud it's hard for homeowners, but with us we have so many properties the insurance company insures all ours as tenant occupeid, whether they're vacant or not
23:56 The20YearIRCloud Nope
23:56 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud but my point isn't to any one specific thing. my point is, there's so much nuttery, and so much complexity involved, that in general you're better off letting someone else eat it.
23:57 mircea_popescu to this point there may be exceptions, but i'm not discussiong 1988 elm street, akron, ohio.
23:57 decimation The20YearIRCloud is trying to be that 'someone else', not harry homeowner specifically
23:57 mircea_popescu cuz you know, i can't be bothered to know in that level of detail, cuz my head is otherwise full.
23:57 decimation The20YearIRCloud: do you think owning your own home is an awesome deal for the median guy?
23:57 mircea_popescu well he keeps bringing the "we don't have X here". something he's gotta have, what is this, ohiostan ?
23:58 The20YearIRCloud if the average guy has a 15 or 20yr mortgage then yes
23:58 mircea_popescu nah, for the first time buyer.
23:58 The20YearIRCloud I know countless people who are now sitting on near a million dollars of real estate because they own their home and a few others
23:58 mircea_popescu facing the usual 50% divorce rate, and all the jazz
23:58 ben_vulpes <decimation> 'owning' your home is partially renting from the government, partially speculation on mortgage bonds, and partially a 'ticket' to future 'wealth' << fucking bril
23:58 decimation The20YearIRCloud: I heard you could enter the irish lottery too :)
23:59 The20YearIRCloud And the data says that home ownership is pretty beneficial to the holder as long as they can hold it for 10+ years
23:59 mircea_popescu decimation quite my point. sure, it works for some.
23:59 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud and the average marriage is ?
23:59 The20YearIRCloud Even with depreciation, market swings, taxes, ect
23:59 mircea_popescu 7 years ?
23:59 The20YearIRCloud And a majority of couples in the US no longer marry
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