| 00:01 |
mircea_popescu |
"an entire fanbase" ? what's that ? |
| 00:04 |
mircea_popescu |
"I think Nine Inch Nail's cover of Johnny Cash's "Hurt" was better than the original." |
| 00:04 |
mircea_popescu |
ahahah ok good one |
| 00:14 |
decimation |
!up thestringpuller |
| 00:23 |
mircea_popescu |
;;seen dreadknight |
| 00:23 |
gribble |
dreadknight was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 19 hours, and 31 seconds ago: <DreadKnight> that's not how you play frogger |
| 00:23 |
mircea_popescu |
;;later tell dreadknight ever played solforge ? |
| 00:23 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 00:23 |
Vexual |
famous last words |
| 00:26 |
Vexual |
ohey mp, did you sign up for lawschool yet? |
| 00:29 |
mircea_popescu |
takes a while neh ? |
| 00:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00092543 = 19.6191 BTC [-] |
| 00:30 |
mircea_popescu |
!up jadne_ |
| 00:31 |
Vexual |
depends how long you stay i guess |
| 00:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5535 @ 0.000919 = 5.0867 BTC [-] |
| 00:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31138 @ 0.0009178 = 28.5785 BTC [-] |
| 00:34 |
Vexual |
i dunno, one might ace the poop outta one sememster and let a good load of stuff done |
| 00:36 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
Hey |
| 00:36 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
I have an entropy question |
| 00:36 |
ben_vulpes |
oooh |
| 00:37 |
ben_vulpes |
these are always fun |
| 00:37 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
oooh indeed |
| 00:37 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
is this site safe: rushwallet.com |
| 00:37 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
to make a instant web based wallet you move your mouse around |
| 00:37 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
a few seconds later, tada you have a wallet |
| 00:37 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
is that mouse movement sae |
| 00:37 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
safe |
| 00:38 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
as a method of generating entropy or whatever |
| 00:38 |
ben_vulpes |
nah. |
| 00:38 |
Vexual |
i use my left hand |
| 00:39 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
thank you for that elaborate answer |
| 00:39 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
"nah" |
| 00:39 |
ben_vulpes |
i wonder if its trivially bruteforceable |
| 00:40 |
ben_vulpes |
RebeccaBitcoin: thou shalt not mix js and crypto, much less js and entropy. |
| 00:40 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
k, but why isn't this safe |
| 00:40 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
and if it isn't, how would you hack it |
| 00:40 |
fluffypony |
I don't think the mouse movey thing is any worse than the the way /dev/urandom collects entropy from mouse movements / keyboard entry |
| 00:40 |
fluffypony |
from an entropy perspective it's a perfectly viable aspect |
| 00:40 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
btw, this is owned by Kryptokit (ie Anthony) and his crew |
| 00:40 |
fluffypony |
as ben_vulpes points out there are other issues |
| 00:41 |
fluffypony |
RebeccaBitcoin: is your aim to have a Bitcoin wallet so you can send and receive Bitcoin, or is your aim to write a scathing review? |
| 00:41 |
ben_vulpes |
i mean it said "okay!" after a hilariously short period of time. |
| 00:41 |
ben_vulpes |
tengo mucho sospechosa |
| 00:41 |
Vexual |
up down left, yeah got it |
| 00:42 |
ben_vulpes |
up up down down right a b bitcoin! |
| 00:42 |
fluffypony |
ben_vulpes: I guess it's using the normal random available to JS and sprucing it up |
| 00:42 |
ben_vulpes |
but is it ====== random? |
| 00:42 |
fluffypony |
by some definition of "random" |
| 00:42 |
fluffypony |
as in: "omg, Ben's so random, lol" |
| 00:43 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
ok, change my question |
| 00:43 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
is it safe |
| 00:43 |
ben_vulpes |
hell no |
| 00:43 |
fluffypony |
no |
| 00:43 |
ben_vulpes |
thou shalt not etc |
| 00:43 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
like if I put 10 bitcoins in here |
| 00:43 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
for fun |
| 00:43 |
fluffypony |
definitely not |
| 00:43 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
would they get stolen |
| 00:43 |
ben_vulpes |
;;8ball RebeccaBitcoin ^^ |
| 00:43 |
fluffypony |
within what time frame |
| 00:43 |
gribble |
What are you asking me for? |
| 00:43 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
by safe I don't mean nerd safe |
| 00:43 |
ben_vulpes |
;;8ball RebeccaBitcoin ^^ |
| 00:43 |
gribble |
Come again? |
| 00:43 |
ben_vulpes |
;;8ball will the coins get stolen? |
| 00:43 |
gribble |
The outlook is hazy, please ask again later. |
| 00:43 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
I mean like reasonably safe |
| 00:43 |
fluffypony |
;;8ball will RebeccaBitcoin's coins get stolen? |
| 00:43 |
gribble |
The outlook is good. |
| 00:44 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
thank you gribble |
| 00:44 |
fluffypony |
well there you go |
| 00:44 |
ben_vulpes |
for the bruteforcers... |
| 00:44 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
nerd safe vs reasonably safe |
| 00:44 |
Vexual |
lol ben |
| 00:44 |
ben_vulpes |
meaningless distinction. |
| 00:44 |
fluffypony |
RebeccaBitcoin: it's not even reasonably safe, given the track record of web wallets |
| 00:44 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
so nerd safe = the type of people who print a paper wallet then toss the printer over niagara fallls |
| 00:44 |
fluffypony |
nah |
| 00:44 |
ben_vulpes |
no. it's a meaningless distinction. |
| 00:44 |
fluffypony |
I'm a nerd, I use Electrum |
| 00:44 |
fluffypony |
and it's safe by my standards |
| 00:45 |
peterl |
is it a risk to advertise which type of wallet you use? |
| 00:45 |
fluffypony |
peterl: nope |
| 00:45 |
Vexual |
yes |
| 00:45 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
its not a meaningless distinction. Someone told me yesterday that to make a paper wallet I should use a new laptpo, and a new printer, then I should take both and destroy them. Then I should put both in a fire |
| 00:45 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
like wtf |
| 00:45 |
fluffypony |
RebeccaBitcoin: those people are crazy |
| 00:45 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
yah |
| 00:45 |
fluffypony |
there's a middle ground between paranoid and convenient |
| 00:45 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
so thats my distinction between reasonably safe and nerd safe |
| 00:45 |
fluffypony |
a web wallet is not that middle ground |
| 00:46 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
to the earlier question, no, I'm not going to write a scathing review |
| 00:46 |
fluffypony |
middle ground is anything where you are entirely, solely, and completely responsible for the safety of your funds |
| 00:46 |
fluffypony |
not some third party |
| 00:46 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
apparently this is open source |
| 00:46 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
and its made by kryptokit |
| 00:46 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
which is also open source |
| 00:46 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
and you can run it offline |
| 00:47 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
my concern is that the mouse movey thing for like 5 seconds isn't all that secure |
| 00:47 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
someone else pointed out that there are other issues |
| 00:47 |
ben_vulpes |
we're trying to tell you that it ain't secure at all., honey. |
| 00:47 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
Ok good. |
| 00:47 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
can that be demonstrated |
| 00:47 |
ben_vulpes |
who are you again? |
| 00:47 |
mircea_popescu |
heya RebeccaBitcoin |
| 00:47 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
ah good |
| 00:48 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
Mircea is here |
| 00:48 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
I was hoping for Bitcoin Pete, but you'll have to do |
| 00:48 |
fluffypony |
lol |
| 00:48 |
mircea_popescu |
cheeky joo is she. |
| 00:48 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
Jewfro > bald |
| 00:48 |
Vexual |
zing |
| 00:48 |
mircea_popescu |
only if redhaired. |
| 00:49 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
haha |
| 00:49 |
justusranvier |
mircea_popescu: Did you ping me before? |
| 00:49 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
When does Peter get off work at Burger King? |
| 00:50 |
cazalla |
what's this prejudice against bald folk? |
| 00:50 |
ben_vulpes |
cazalla: bad genes |
| 00:50 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
http://trilema.com/ thats mircea right? |
| 00:50 |
assbot |
Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
| 00:50 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
He's rocking a skullet |
| 00:51 |
fluffypony |
well I guess the title of the site is a giveaway |
| 00:51 |
mircea_popescu |
you wanna see jewfro, http://trilema.com/2011/fototeca-de-haur/ and scroll down |
| 00:51 |
assbot |
Fototeca de Haur pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
| 00:51 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
haha |
| 00:51 |
mircea_popescu |
justusranvier possibly but now i forget. |
| 00:51 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
anyway back to my question |
| 00:51 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
mircea |
| 00:51 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
I don't know how to do the thing that makes your name light up |
| 00:51 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
anyway |
| 00:51 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
rushwallet.com |
| 00:51 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
secure or not |
| 00:52 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
Assuming no, why? |
| 00:52 |
fluffypony |
not |
| 00:52 |
mircea_popescu |
no dude. listen better. |
| 00:52 |
mircea_popescu |
because of many reasons which you will find reading the logs |
| 00:52 |
mircea_popescu |
this has been done to death. |
| 00:52 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
This particular site has been done to death? |
| 00:52 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
really? |
| 00:52 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: we already told her why |
| 00:52 |
decimation |
roll dice to generate your ecdsa key :) |
| 00:52 |
mircea_popescu |
^ |
| 00:53 |
mircea_popescu |
preferably made out of the bones of your enemies |
| 00:53 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
that doesn't explain why |
| 00:53 |
decimation |
perfectly level and razor sharp of course |
| 00:53 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
if I put 10 bitcoin in a wallet there |
| 00:53 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
can any of you steal it |
| 00:53 |
mircea_popescu |
(seriously tho, here's a good approach : make your dices out of ice. they will melt, yes, and not be even, yes. |
| 00:53 |
mircea_popescu |
BUT IMPREDICTABLY SO) |
| 00:53 |
fluffypony |
RebeccaBitcoin: it's not us you should be worried about. |
| 00:53 |
peterl |
does having a python script generate a bunch of random dice rolls count as rolling dice? |
| 00:53 |
Vexual |
melt roll melt roll |
| 00:53 |
decimation |
lol |
| 00:53 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
lol |
| 00:53 |
mircea_popescu |
RebeccaBitcoin you know we didn't steal any of the OTHER btc that got stolen, either. |
| 00:53 |
mircea_popescu |
this is scarcely an argument |
| 00:53 |
decimation |
somewhere your python script is calling random() or whatever |
| 00:54 |
mircea_popescu |
peterl no, and i hope that was being funny |
| 00:54 |
peterl |
right, how random is python's random()? |
| 00:54 |
mircea_popescu |
meh-random. |
| 00:54 |
mircea_popescu |
like a layer of meh on top of urandom's meh. |
| 00:54 |
decimation |
sigh, that's not even the issue, the real issue is how random is your linux or windows or mac's random |
| 00:55 |
decimation |
which is basically as good as moving your mouse around |
| 00:55 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
argh, now this is a typical nerd debate. |
| 00:55 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation not rly. it's not great, but it still takes ethernet disks etc |
| 00:55 |
decimation |
yeah it's more than keyboard mouse I know |
| 00:55 |
mircea_popescu |
RebeccaBitcoin you know, before you can think yourself better than everyone else you must put your tits in the tit gallery. |
| 00:56 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
"If I compile the php script and then reconcile it with a mysql database, then reconfigure it to your home computer's settings I can find your brain wallet" |
| 00:56 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
@mircea asshole |
| 00:56 |
cazalla |
RebeccaBitcoin, you bought ether, correct? theft is not a concern if you're giving your bitcoins away |
| 00:56 |
mircea_popescu |
i can find your brain wallet right now. sha512sum("iamhotshit"); |
| 00:56 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
Yes, I did buy some ether |
| 00:56 |
asciilifeform |
nerd safe = the type of people who print a paper wallet then toss the printer << this subject is worth exploring at length |
| 00:56 |
decimation |
rebeccabitcoin, ultimately what you are asking is "audit my security" which involves multiple levels of unkonown software |
| 00:56 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
and yes I realize I should ahve just bought it from mircea instead |
| 00:56 |
fluffypony |
RebeccaBitcoin: again - for ordinary users you simply need something that is completely under your control, and for your purposes Electrum is fine. It is small and lightweight, it doesn't download the full blockchain (about 20mb in downloads is all it needs thus far), and it has a 12 word mnemonic you write down to backup your wallet. It's literally all I need. |
| 00:57 |
decimation |
to do a proper job would require thousands of good man hours, which you can't afford |
| 00:57 |
asciilifeform |
in oil prospecting, salvage diving, etc. there is a concept where safety measures that the crew will not follow because they 'seen ridiculous' - are useless |
| |
↖ |
| 00:57 |
fluffypony |
RebeccaBitcoin: https://electrum.org |
| 00:57 |
assbot |
Electrum Bitcoin Wallet |
| 00:57 |
fluffypony |
there |
| 00:57 |
fluffypony |
problem solved. |
| 00:57 |
asciilifeform |
*seem |
| 00:57 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
I'm obviously not asking for that reason |
| 00:57 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
I'm not a retard, my cold storage is safe |
| 00:57 |
fluffypony |
Electrum isn't cold storage, it's a hot wallet to use every day |
| 00:58 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
brain wallet |
| 00:58 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
Becky's coins |
| 00:58 |
asciilifeform |
i still can't fathom what people mean when they ask 'is X safe' |
| 00:58 |
asciilifeform |
safe for what? |
| 00:58 |
decimation |
asciilifeform this is basically "don't blame the pilot" in the air-crash investigations |
| 00:58 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
Anthony Diloilorio |
| 00:58 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
made kryptoikit |
| 00:58 |
Vexual |
you wouldn't discard a printer |
| 00:58 |
decimation |
yes, you put a n00b who failed landing 101 in the cockpit, how did that happen? |
| 00:58 |
fluffypony |
asciilifeform: now you understand why those "trust seals" are so popular on websites :-P |
| 00:58 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
now he made this |
| 00:59 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
I assume not him, but his slaves |
| 00:59 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
or whatever |
| 00:59 |
fluffypony |
RebeccaBitcoin: it doesn't matter who made it |
| 00:59 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
sure it does |
| 00:59 |
fluffypony |
not really |
| 01:00 |
decimation |
fluffypony is right, just use electrum |
| 01:00 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
Next time someone is like "omg Rebecca Rushwallet is awesome you should totally use it" - I want to be able to say "No, its not safe because blah blah blah" |
| 01:00 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-mining-update-081614/ |
| 01:00 |
fluffypony |
you're assuming that he is impervious to stupidity or error |
| 01:00 |
fluffypony |
which is beyond unlikely |
| 01:00 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
no |
| 01:00 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
I'm ont |
| 01:00 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
not |
| 01:00 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
Obviously you're completely misreading this. Anthony is a little dweeb. |
| 01:01 |
decimation |
rebeccabitcoin nothing that runs on a von neumann machine connected to the internet using unaudited untrusted firmware is safe |
| 01:01 |
mircea_popescu |
<asciilifeform> safe for what? << maid safe. |
| 01:01 |
asciilifeform |
RebeccaBitcoin: seems like two separate questions in your original question. 1) mouse movement as method of generating key and 2) particular web-based gizmo for doing so |
| 01:01 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
k |
| 01:01 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
1) Is mouse movement, as used in rushwallet.com safe? |
| 01:01 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
2) If rushwallet.com safe |
| 01:01 |
decimation |
3.) does the javascript upload privkey to the server? |
| 01:02 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
Safe = If I put 10btc in a wallet and post the public key here, will it get stolen within 90 days |
| 01:02 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
apparently not |
| 01:02 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
they say open source but I can't find the source |
| 01:02 |
asciilifeform |
exercise for student (or bored person of any other species) - log a typical 'mouse wiggle' session; fit to curves (your choice.) |
| 01:02 |
decimation |
if you can't find the source of the javascript on your webpage you are in a world of hurt |
| 01:02 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
is it that easy? |
| 01:02 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
I just open safari's developer stuff and click source? |
| 01:03 |
decimation |
you can't run it if you don't have the source |
| 01:03 |
decimation |
that being said, it might be compressed/obfuscated |
| 01:03 |
asciilifeform |
RebeccaBitcoin: will it get stolen within 90 days << this is an uncommonly poor tactic (yes, popular in the 'computer insecurity' business, but it sucks still) - would you test, say, a door lock this way? |
| 01:03 |
asciilifeform |
'house not burgled in 90 days - perfect lock' |
| 01:04 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
yes |
| 01:04 |
kakobrekla |
on the other hand, locks safety is defined by how much time it takes to break it. |
| 01:04 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
exactly |
| 01:04 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
I can pick my apartment lock in approximately 5 minutes |
| 01:04 |
kakobrekla |
(not saying its not stupid!) |
| 01:04 |
asciilifeform |
but would you assume burglars will line up to try, simply by virtue of you having wished it? |
| 01:04 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
if I could pick it in 30 seconds I would concerned |
| 01:04 |
decimation |
afaik high-leve usg safes are 2 hours |
| 01:05 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: nitpick. usg-blessed safes are optimized for tamper-evidence, rather than absolute strength |
| 01:05 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
if I put money in a wallet |
| 01:05 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
give you the public key |
| 01:05 |
asciilifeform |
(one usually is more concerned that seekrit dokument isn't stolen undetected, rather than mere fact of theft) |
| 01:05 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
inform you its on rush wallet |
| 01:05 |
fluffypony |
RebeccaBitcoin: if you put 10 BTC in a wallet and posted about it on Reddit and some netsec mailing lists and gave it 90 days that would be a concrete test |
| 01:05 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
and say "Go" |
| 01:06 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
and it takes you more than 90 days to crack it, I would call it "reaosnably safe" |
| 01:06 |
asciilifeform |
RebeccaBitcoin: but why would we 'go' ? |
| 01:06 |
decimation |
I think they distinguish between overt and covert entry |
| 01:06 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
You would "go" because with 10 coins you could safely move out of your moms basement |
| 01:06 |
asciilifeform |
RebeccaBitcoin: pill against your particular system may well be worth > 10 btc. |
| 01:06 |
decimation |
http://www.fedsafes.com/frequently_asked_questions.php "Class 6 safes are used for the storage of documents, maps & drawings. They provide protection against 30 minutes of covert entry & 20 hours of surreptitious entry. Class 5 safes are used for the storage of documents, weapons, drugs, funds, sensitive materials & equipment. Class 5 safes have the same covert & surreptitious entry protection as class 6 safes but they also protect |
| 01:06 |
assbot |
Frequently Asked Questions| Fedsafes.com |
| 01:06 |
decimation |
against 10 minutes of forced entry." |
| 01:07 |
asciilifeform |
RebeccaBitcoin: so attacker could move from mother's basement into a palace, were he to sell the attack to a higher bidder, vs. your 10 merely moves him to a new flat. |
| 01:07 |
fluffypony |
there's that too |
| 01:07 |
mircea_popescu |
<RebeccaBitcoin> and it takes you more than 90 days to crack it, I would call it "reaosnably safe" << takes about two hours, if someone could be arsed. |
| 01:07 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
really? |
| 01:07 |
mircea_popescu |
someone here could not be arsed for 10btc, and someone who could be arsed ain't here. |
| 01:07 |
mircea_popescu |
yes really. |
| 01:07 |
Vexual |
or the attacker has some benefit from showing the attack' |
| 01:07 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
you could crack rush wallet in 2 hours? |
| 01:08 |
mircea_popescu |
some derp-ass "mouse clicks" js webwallet ? |
| 01:08 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
yes |
| 01:08 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
rushwallet.com |
| 01:08 |
mircea_popescu |
it's just hashing you know. like mining/ |
| 01:08 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
yes I realize that |
| 01:08 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
if you put your brilliant mind to it, how long would it take you to crack rushwallet.com |
| 01:08 |
mircea_popescu |
you seem to realise somehow halfway in the middle. |
| 01:09 |
mircea_popescu |
there';s no mind involved. asciilifeform already told you the process. |
| 01:09 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu is a cracker now? |
| 01:09 |
FabianB |
RebeccaBitcoin: main concern with sites like rushwallet are probably not third-parties but the site owners themselfes, private key is in the url, readable by javascript; even if the private key is not read by current js, they can change it any second, read it, send it to their server |
| 01:09 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
noted |
| 01:09 |
fluffypony |
seriously - there are people that specialise in this that could probably do it faster than anyone here, and even we can ascertain what the threat model is |
| 01:09 |
asciilifeform |
RebeccaBitcoin: if you were to set to it, how long would it take you to build a small two-cycle petrol engine? |
| 01:09 |
decimation |
from ore? |
| 01:09 |
Vexual |
coupla days |
| 01:10 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
I'm not sure what that is |
| 01:10 |
Vexual |
yep |
| 01:10 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
my first step would be to copy and paste that to craiglist |
| 01:10 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
then hire someone |
| 01:10 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
then tada, I'm done |
| 01:10 |
decimation |
orlov is right |
| 01:10 |
asciilifeform |
RebeccaBitcoin: then you learn another useful lesson - what a professional machinist charges. |
| 01:10 |
asciilifeform |
(you'll be quite surprised.) |
| 01:11 |
asciilifeform |
(and possibly tempted to change professions) |
| 01:11 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
I'm an aspiring hacker |
| 01:11 |
Vexual |
then build it offline and run at it |
| 01:11 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
k heres my plan |
| 01:11 |
decimation |
that's assuming that you designed the parts too, he's gonna charge way more if you need design help |
| 01:11 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
take rush wallet |
| 01:11 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
put it online |
| 01:11 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
on a different domain |
| 01:11 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
use your stealy stuff that records the private key |
| 01:12 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
set up a bot to monitor the balances of the private keys |
| 01:12 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
get 29823832892389 coinz |
| 01:12 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
put those coins on mpex |
| 01:12 |
fluffypony |
ok have fun |
| 01:12 |
fluffypony |
let us know how it goes |
| 01:12 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
etc. |
| 01:12 |
decimation |
one can design black boxes with assumptions inside all day; what matters is the ability to master the details implict in all the assumptions being made |
| 01:13 |
asciilifeform |
brings to mind an ancient recipe for chicken soup (attributed to the gypsies, but accounts vary) |
| 01:13 |
asciilifeform |
1) find a chicken. |
| 01:13 |
asciilifeform |
2) ... |
| 01:14 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
So in conclusion: I should not store any coins with rush wallet, unless the amount is such that I don't mind losing them. |
| 01:14 |
asciilifeform |
1) get 29823832892389 ... |
| 01:14 |
kakobrekla |
121 ? |
| 01:14 |
fluffypony |
RebeccaBitcoin: yes |
| 01:14 |
decimation |
well, what is certainly true is that you have run the privkey generator on your own machine, using reasonably open software, you have more (not absolute) confidence that your keys are not compromised |
| 01:15 |
ben_vulpes |
RebeccaBitcoin: mind you, that amount can change rapidly based on their fiat denomination, and your lazy self might decline to move them until it's too late. |
| 01:15 |
ben_vulpes |
there's a saying |
| 01:15 |
ben_vulpes |
"anything worth doing is worth doing well". |
| 01:15 |
decimation |
absolute confidence is impossible until asciilifeform gets his room-sized fpga |
| 01:15 |
ben_vulpes |
treat your satoshis well and your integer btc will treat you well. |
| 01:16 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: nope. until you (in general sense of 'you') do... |
| 01:16 |
decimation |
heh yeah well we need to find a sufficiently rich prince |
| 01:16 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
Before this conversation got out of hand, i was mainly referring to the ability of this site to generate a random wallet. I've read before that mouse entropy is crap. While there are 2892383289 ^298289 possible private keys for Bitcoin, a wallet like this might be much more limited. As such, a system like this might only be capable of generating a |
| 01:16 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
certain number of private keys, thus making the possibliity of hashing all of the possibilities possible, then draining any accounts. |
| 01:17 |
asciilifeform |
good summary re: mouse in principle |
| 01:17 |
ben_vulpes |
RebeccaBitcoin: <ben_vulpes> i wonder if its trivially bruteforceable |
| 01:17 |
decimation |
asciilifeform stated this above, more or less |
| 01:17 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
So yes, right? |
| 01:17 |
asciilifeform |
but, other fact, question of what was actually served up to you when you browse the site on a particular occasion. |
| 01:17 |
decimation |
and what your client transmits in response |
| 01:18 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
Assuming I download the source code, it seems legit, I put it on an offline computer. |
| 01:18 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
no uploading, no shady shit |
| 01:18 |
decimation |
what would be the point of an offline web wallet? |
| 01:18 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony im a jack of all trades |
| 01:18 |
asciilifeform |
RebeccaBitcoin: work involved in determining 'legit' is roughly equal to writing your own. |
| 01:18 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
ok |
| 01:18 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: *off |
| 01:18 |
asciilifeform |
larger, in most cases. |
| 01:18 |
fluffypony |
:-P |
| 01:18 |
Vexual |
^so fro |
| 01:18 |
* |
fluffypony makes joke |
| 01:19 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
Thats pretty much all I wanted to know |
| 01:19 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
thank you |
| 01:19 |
kakobrekla |
now you know its not practical to be safe. |
| 01:19 |
mircea_popescu |
omg the zingers tonight |
| 01:20 |
mircea_popescu |
<decimation> absolute confidence is impossible until asciilifeform gets his room-sized fpga << but then where would he sleep ? |
| 01:20 |
mircea_popescu |
oh snap. |
| 01:20 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
haha |
| 01:20 |
asciilifeform |
novice can be considered 'graduated' and teachable, e.g. actual maths, when she stops saying 'safe' except to refer to a heavy metal box |
| 01:20 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform i think she was just playing dumb. |
| 01:20 |
decimation |
not that said box is safe, either |
| 01:21 |
* |
asciilifeform kicks old safe |
| 01:21 |
asciilifeform |
klang. |
| 01:21 |
ben_vulpes |
don't hurt yourself now |
| 01:21 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
| 01:21 |
Vexual |
fuck that kick it harder |
| 01:21 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
how can I change my name to the different colours that you guys use |
| 01:21 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
Mircea isblue |
| 01:21 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
ben is an ugly yellow |
| 01:21 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
decimation is somewhat red/maroon |
| 01:21 |
kakobrekla |
he just chinese. |
| 01:21 |
fluffypony |
you can't - it's whatever IRC client you're using colouring it |
| 01:21 |
asciilifeform |
you gotta love how pcb track to solenoid driver FET is exposed under the rubber keypad |
| 01:21 |
fluffypony |
your name is poo brown to me |
| 01:21 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
really? |
| 01:21 |
asciilifeform |
wonder if that's the case on all of these 'electric' safes. |
| 01:22 |
ben_vulpes |
RebeccaBitcoin: you gotta get a real client, for starters. |
| 01:22 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
no |
| 01:22 |
Vexual |
im getting troll pink from you rebeecca |
| 01:22 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
haha |
| 01:22 |
Vexual |
shit, im comprimised |
| 01:24 |
decimation |
http://www.fedsafes.com/X-09_locks.php << asciilifeform note USG uses electric locks... with a dial |
| 01:24 |
assbot |
X-09 Locks - GSA Approved High Security Safe Locks |
| 01:24 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: a very peculiar golden toilet. handle turns generator. |
| 01:24 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: you can pick these up on 'ebay' to play with. couple 100 usd. |
| 01:25 |
decimation |
it seems to me that the few mechanical inputs the better off you are |
| 01:25 |
decimation |
a keypad seems like a terrible design for sensitive data entry |
| 01:26 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
ya cause you can buy one of those heat things |
| 01:26 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
someone types it in, then a few mins later, take the thermal image |
| 01:26 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
find the secret code |
| 01:27 |
Vexual |
then you watch that drillbit get real hot |
| 01:27 |
ben_vulpes |
or dust for oil |
| 01:27 |
decimation |
re: drillbit << even usg safes are rated for only 10 minutes forced entry |
| 01:27 |
ben_vulpes |
or any million of other tricks |
| 01:27 |
decimation |
presumably the jackbooted thugs arrive before that time |
| 01:28 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
what's that term |
| 01:28 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
obscurity security |
| 01:28 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
or something |
| 01:28 |
Vexual |
like buy a known safe, and move the intenals? |
| 01:28 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
no |
| 01:29 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
like buy a known safe and put nothing in it |
| 01:29 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
then put your wads of cash in a hidden place |
| 01:29 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
like the dryer |
| 01:29 |
ben_vulpes |
ultimately, obscurity is your last line of defense. |
| 01:29 |
kakobrekla |
(under the safe) |
| 01:29 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
haha |
| 01:29 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
under the safe is a horrible idea |
| 01:29 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
they steal it |
| 01:29 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
are like "hey bro check it, there's money under it" |
| 01:31 |
Vexual |
what about a gps inside that only sees the sun if the crack it with one of those doorknocker things that jerusalem has |
| 01:31 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
lol |
| 01:31 |
mircea_popescu |
<RebeccaBitcoin> like the dryer << me goes to craigslist with that information |
| 01:32 |
Vexual |
10 minutes becomes useful |
| 01:34 |
decimation |
http://theden.tv/2014/08/05/a-cashless-society-in-the-world-of-fiat/ Israel wants to outlaw cash... so only outlaws use cash |
| 01:34 |
assbot |
A Cashless Society in the World of Fiat | Theden | Thedening the West |
| 01:35 |
decimation |
as this blog points out, the real reason they are doing this is to bar another escape hatch from the bezzle economy |
| 01:37 |
decimation |
this will only make bitcoin look better of course, as each government reduces its fiat to another altcoin (premined of course) |
| 01:39 |
mircea_popescu |
Israel wants to outlaw cash << israel needs to fucking burn already. |
| 01:41 |
mircea_popescu |
RebeccaBitcoin: Then I should put both in a fire >>> http://trilema.com/2014/spy-stuff/ |
| 01:41 |
assbot |
Spy stuff pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
| 01:41 |
decimation |
well, going down this road would be a good first step |
| 01:42 |
mircea_popescu |
i mean all the sympathy for them people being surrounded by a bunch of arab derpage, which they consistently own bareback. |
| 01:42 |
mircea_popescu |
however... they're like the vanguard of fucktarded socialistoid idiocy. |
| 01:43 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
lol |
| 01:43 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
I kinda like israel |
| 01:43 |
fluffypony |
but is Israel safe? |
| 01:43 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
;p |
| 01:43 |
fluffypony |
I don't mean paramilitary safe, but safe for ordinary people |
| 01:44 |
fluffypony |
:-P |
| 01:44 |
mircea_popescu |
safer than south africa for ordinary women, i gather :D |
| 01:44 |
fluffypony |
hah hah |
| 01:44 |
fluffypony |
touché |
| 01:44 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
south africa is scary |
| 01:44 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
I went there a few years ago and wtf |
| 01:44 |
fluffypony |
RebeccaBitcoin: which prat? |
| 01:44 |
fluffypony |
*part |
| 01:45 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
Pretoria |
| 01:45 |
fluffypony |
yeah PTA is shitty |
| 01:45 |
fluffypony |
nobody goes to PTA unless you have to |
| 01:45 |
fluffypony |
Cape Town -> Garden Route -> Durban and surrounds -> Sun City -> Kruger Park |
| 01:46 |
decimation |
is that where all the aliens (I mean rhodesians) live? |
| 01:46 |
fluffypony |
will take you about 4 weeks to do that route, and it's incredible |
| 01:46 |
fluffypony |
decimation: the Rhodesians are mostly in Johannesburg |
| 01:46 |
fluffypony |
Pretoria is the vanguard of old-school white Afrikaans-hood |
| 01:46 |
decimation |
where's the skyscraper that has filled with squatters and shit? |
| 01:46 |
fluffypony |
although given its political prominance they're been shuttered off to the suburbs |
| 01:46 |
fluffypony |
Johannesburg |
| 01:46 |
fluffypony |
Ponte Tower |
| 01:47 |
fluffypony |
we used to go up there when I was a kid |
| 01:47 |
decimation |
sad story that |
| 01:47 |
fluffypony |
yeah, the building ownership thing was a fuckup |
| 01:47 |
decimation |
Why wouldn't pretoria be a nice place if it's old-school Afrikaans? |
| 01:47 |
fluffypony |
it's incredibly, incredibly boring |
| 01:48 |
fluffypony |
and ugly, except when the Jacaranda trees come into bloom |
| 01:48 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
And from another perspective, doesn't seem "safe" ;p |
| 01:48 |
fluffypony |
then you drive down the streets with these beautiful purple blossoms everywhere |
| 01:48 |
mircea_popescu |
is pretoria like a sort of pennsylvania, amish et all ? |
| 01:48 |
mircea_popescu |
or how old school is old school ? |
| 01:48 |
fluffypony |
RebeccaBitcoin: Pretoria is quite safe, certainly much safer for an adventurous tourist than Johannesburg where tourists are best kept to touristy areas |
| 01:49 |
decimation |
my favorite south africa movie is "zulu". makes me want to visit natal |
| 01:49 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
It is safe by South African standards |
| 01:49 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 48604 @ 0.00004237 = 2.0594 BTC [-] {4} |
| 01:49 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: nah, Afrikaaners aren't like that at all, more like generally overweight, beer and whisky loving, meat-bbq'ing biltong eating men and women |
| 01:50 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ud biltong |
| 01:50 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=biltong | biltong. Meat, usually beef, that is salted / spiced and cut into strips and dried in the sun. Popular snack in Southern Africa. I like really fresh, wet biltong. |
| 01:50 |
fluffypony |
by old-school I mean that a lot of the older ones especially struggle to shed the ingrained views that Apartheid taught them |
| 01:52 |
decimation |
fluffypony do you see post-Apartheid south africa going the way of Zimbabwae? |
| 01:53 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
I see south africa getting worse and worse |
| 01:53 |
fluffypony |
RebeccaBitcoin: safe by most standards - just like any city in the world, there are areas you'd generally avoid unless you were familiar with it |
| 01:53 |
fluffypony |
RebeccaBitcoin: worse? far from it. |
| 01:53 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
You think South Africa is getting better as a whole? |
| 01:53 |
fluffypony |
decimation: nope - too many overseas companies with skin in the game, they won't let a despot ruin their income ;) |
| 01:54 |
fluffypony |
RebeccaBitcoin: yes, most assuredly, from all socioeconomic aspects |
| 01:54 |
decimation |
I donno, I recall that there were plenty of overseas companies involved in Rhodesia... |
| 01:54 |
mircea_popescu |
<fluffypony> decimation: nope - too many overseas companies with skin in the game, they won't let a despot ruin their income ;) <<< this is at best naive. |
| 01:54 |
decimation |
and the Congo too for that matter |
| 01:54 |
mircea_popescu |
and in... the ukraine. |
| 01:54 |
fluffypony |
decimation: Zim's bigger problem was its inability to oust Bob quickly |
| 01:55 |
fluffypony |
Congo, Ukraine, and Rhodesia aren't quite comparable |
| 01:55 |
fluffypony |
60% of the trade in the whole of Africa is done in Gauteng |
| 01:55 |
mircea_popescu |
under your criteria, specifically, a lot of foreign investment |
| 01:55 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
I don't know enough about it to really have a valid opinion |
| 01:56 |
fluffypony |
when Mbeki was providing staid, but ineffectual, leadership there were hands that moved him out the way |
| 01:56 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
I've heard from others that it is "continuing to go downhill" but that's based on a limited number of people, mostly from cape town |
| 01:56 |
fluffypony |
which is relatively easy - the ANC is the dominant political party, the president of the country is the elected leader of said party |
| 01:56 |
fluffypony |
so to remove him all you have to do is have a change of hands within the party |
| 01:56 |
decimation |
but how do you remove the ANC? |
| 01:56 |
mircea_popescu |
so how is a one party arrangement an improvement ? |
| 01:56 |
fluffypony |
RebeccaBitcoin: expats or still living here? |
| 01:56 |
fluffypony |
decimation: you won't |
| 01:56 |
fluffypony |
not for many years |
| 01:56 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
expats |
| 01:57 |
fluffypony |
they have "struggle credentials" still going for them (as in they fought Apartheid) |
| 01:57 |
fluffypony |
and that isn't something you can breeze past politically |
| 01:57 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
pete |
| 01:57 |
fluffypony |
RebeccaBitcoin: South African expats are literally the worst, they're a running joke on the /r/southafrica sub-reddit |
| 01:58 |
pete_dushenski |
RebeccaBitcoin: ask, and ye shall receive |
| 01:58 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
you missed my questions about entropy |
| 01:58 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
but |
| 01:58 |
fluffypony |
they're all like "every week I saw someone murdered right outside my house, until finally I packed up my family and we moved to safe America" |
| 01:58 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
haha |
| 01:58 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
more importantly wtf pete |
| 01:58 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
Bitcoin pete is no more |
| 01:58 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
what is a contravex |
| 01:59 |
fluffypony |
it's like contravene and latex |
| 01:59 |
decimation |
fluffypony do you think the ANC will avoid appointing another Comrade Bob? |
| 01:59 |
pete_dushenski |
RebeccaBitcoin: i read the logs. have you read http://contravex.com/2014/07/17/proof-that-mycelium-knows-how-to-make-a-better-rng-for-its-entropy-dongle-and-isnt/ ? |
| 01:59 |
assbot |
Proof That Mycelium Knows How To Make A Better RNG For Its Entropy Dongle. And Isn't. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski |
| 01:59 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
ya thats why I wanted to ask you my questions |
| 01:59 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
instead I got mircea |
| 01:59 |
pete_dushenski |
a ok |
| 01:59 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
and ben and the others |
| 01:59 |
pete_dushenski |
lol |
| 02:00 |
pete_dushenski |
they know more than i do anyways, so lucky you! |
| 02:00 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
The conversation quickly went downhill |
| 02:00 |
fluffypony |
decimation: I think the old guard within the ANC might have, but the younger guys are starting to care less and less about race, and just want to fix the lingering effects of decades of oppresion |
| 02:00 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
in the end it was mostly insults about bald people and so fourth |
| 02:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1850 @ 0.00092519 = 1.7116 BTC [+] |
| 02:00 |
pete_dushenski |
it's not every day you get mircea_popescu asciilifeform and ben_vulpes answering your burning questions |
| 02:01 |
pete_dushenski |
RebeccaBitcoin: insults? what are those? |
| 02:01 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
I said jewfro > bald mircea |
| 02:01 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
sticking up for you and such |
| 02:01 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony you know that strikes me as a very charitable read. |
| 02:01 |
fluffypony |
eg. your grandfather had no education and so lived in poverty, thus your father had no education and lived in poverty, and now you finally have an opportunity to get a reasonable education and can pull yourself out of poverty, but there are decades that must elapse before it's more "balanced" |
| 02:03 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: there are some, Julius Malema was the head of the ANC Youth League and often erred on the side of being overly aggressive against whites, but he was also overly aggressive against the ANC and got his ass booted |
| 02:03 |
pete_dushenski |
RebeccaBitcoin: well see the jewfro needs no sticking up for |
| 02:03 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
;p |
| 02:03 |
pete_dushenski |
it single-handedly got me a rating comment of "pimp" after all |
| 02:04 |
pete_dushenski |
kinda hard to beat that |
| 02:04 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
haha |
| 02:04 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony the concept boggles me. "overly" aggresive ? as in what, there's an appropriate level of aggresive ? |
| 02:04 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
I like your post about Y combinator |
| 02:04 |
fluffypony |
now he's started his own political party and is clamouring for nationalisation of the mining industry |
| 02:04 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
although not a fan of the philosophical democracy one |
| 02:04 |
mircea_popescu |
how about any aggrressive ==== his head on a pike. |
| 02:05 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: like there's no problem in saying that a lot of wealth in South Africa still lies in the hands of whites by virtue of being born into privilege and so on, this is a known thing and it is spoken about and there are policies that are trying to correct this by providing an easier route to good education for the less fortunate and so on |
| 02:05 |
decimation |
after all, as I recall the ANC would necklace anyone who got "overly aggressive" in cooperating with whitey |
| 02:06 |
pete_dushenski |
RebeccaBitcoin: 50% ain't bad really |
| 02:06 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
overall I would say more like 75% if we include everything |
| 02:06 |
fluffypony |
here, this is where Malema is generally considered to have crossed the line - http://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/2011/06/16/apartheid-taught-whites-to-be-racist-malema |
| 02:06 |
assbot |
Apartheid taught whites to be racist: Malema - Times LIVE |
| 02:06 |
mircea_popescu |
somehow i don't see this education angle too much. seems it's more a case of, "let's take the land and maybe white people will just pay us to be black" |
| 02:07 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: yes - that's what Malema pushed for, and it's one of the things that eventually got him booted from the ANC, because even they believe it's a stupid idea |
| 02:07 |
fluffypony |
you don't correct the problem with handouts |
| 02:07 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
"Bullshit" with Penn & Teller about reparations: a good episode about that in America |
| 02:08 |
pete_dushenski |
RebeccaBitcoin: that must be about the threshold to get people here |
| 02:08 |
pete_dushenski |
nao we know! |
| 02:08 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
;p |
| 02:08 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
its sooooper late, time to sleep |
| 02:09 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
I don't want to be late for Ronald in the morning. |
| 02:09 |
fluffypony |
decimation: they were fighting an incredibly oppressive regime, I don't think you can hold them any more accountable than those that continued to push Apartheid policies |
| 02:10 |
pete_dushenski |
RebeccaBitcoin: a lash for every second late? |
| 02:10 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
something like that |
| 02:11 |
pete_dushenski |
either way, i hope you don't use rushwallet anymore |
| 02:11 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
"anymore" |
| 02:11 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
lol |
| 02:11 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
suggesting I have used it in the past |
| 02:11 |
decimation |
fluffypony have you read moldbug on rhodesia? |
| 02:12 |
pete_dushenski |
RebeccaBitcoin: i stand corrected |
| 02:12 |
fluffypony |
decimation: no? |
| 02:12 |
pete_dushenski |
RebeccaBitcoin: have you read my paper wallet article? |
| 02:12 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
yes |
| 02:13 |
pete_dushenski |
good |
| 02:13 |
decimation |
http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/08/country-that-used-to-exist.html |
| 02:13 |
assbot |
Unqualified Reservations: The country that used to exist |
| 02:13 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
I use a different method |
| 02:13 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
but yours is good too |
| 02:13 |
fluffypony |
*clicks* |
| 02:14 |
pete_dushenski |
RebeccaBitcoin: not saying you have to use it, merely that it talks about the entropy of javascript mouse clicks |
| 02:14 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
ya thats why I wanted to ask you about the mouse entropy thing |
| 02:14 |
pete_dushenski |
have you been satisfied this evening? |
| 02:15 |
pete_dushenski |
if not by me, then by my, what shall we call them... colleagues? |
| 02:15 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
not quite sure what you're asking |
| 02:15 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
no, I have not been "satisified" |
| 02:15 |
decimation |
I must retire for the evening but I would be curious about what you think about that, given your proximity to the affairs in that region of the world. |
| 02:15 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
"satisfied" |
| 02:16 |
pete_dushenski |
RebeccaBitcoin: ok so what demonstration do you further require? |
| 02:16 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
I am satisfied with my learnings from this chat |
| 02:16 |
pete_dushenski |
lolk |
| 02:16 |
pete_dushenski |
then we're good to go |
| 02:17 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=satisfaction |
| 02:17 |
assbot |
Urban Dictionary: satisfaction |
| 02:17 |
pete_dushenski |
RebeccaBitcoin: try ;;ud "term" |
| 02:17 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
none of these were achieved: revenge, orgasm, college degree, a really hot dude's phone # |
| 02:17 |
pete_dushenski |
;;ud satisfaction |
| 02:17 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=satisfaction | satisfaction. The feeling you get when you obtain one of the following: revenge, orgasm, college degree, a really hot chick's/dude's phone #. (revenge/orgasm) IÂ ... |
| 02:17 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
;p |
| 02:18 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/2013/a-very-unfair-perspective/ << another one. |
| 02:18 |
assbot |
A very unfair perspective. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
| 02:18 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
However to what you were really asking, yes, i am satisfied with the response to my entropy question |
| 02:18 |
pete_dushenski |
"There isn’t, nor is there going to be a way, manner, instrument or device through which to protect the passive from the active." |
| 02:19 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, i just picked up atlas shrugged today |
| 02:19 |
pete_dushenski |
we'll see if it's all it's cracked up to be |
| 02:19 |
mircea_popescu |
cool. |
| 02:19 |
pete_dushenski |
RebeccaBitcoin: wonderful. next time, we'll work on the rest |
| 02:19 |
RebeccaBitcoin |
Have a wonderful evening. Goodnight! |
| 02:20 |
pete_dushenski |
bon soir. |
| 02:24 |
Vexual |
fluffy, have you travelled outside za into the contient? |
| 02:28 |
pete_dushenski |
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2014/aug/05/standards-lab-overlooked-spy-agencys-cryptography-back-door-say-scientists |
| 02:28 |
assbot |
Standards lab overlooked spy agency's cryptography 'back door', say scientists - physicsworld.com |
| 02:28 |
pete_dushenski |
so much for Dual_EC_DRBG |
| 02:33 |
pete_dushenski |
http://jeremykun.com/main-content/ |
| 02:33 |
assbot |
Main Content | Math Programming |
| 02:33 |
pete_dushenski |
^just stumbled across a very interesting looking math blog, for those so inclined |
| 02:35 |
mircea_popescu |
heh |
| 02:36 |
pete_dushenski |
found it through szabo: https://twitter.com/NickSzabo4 |
| 02:36 |
assbot |
Nick Szabo (NickSzabo4) auf Twitter |
| 02:36 |
Vexual |
don't read that, read law |
| 02:36 |
pete_dushenski |
those of you who didn't kill andreas should definitely be following that dude |
| 02:37 |
pete_dushenski |
fascinating, vast array of interests |
| 02:37 |
mircea_popescu |
szabo is on his 4th acct ? |
| 02:38 |
pete_dushenski |
probably second with squatter filling in the gap |
| 02:38 |
pete_dushenski |
squatters* |
| 02:39 |
mircea_popescu |
plenty of crap in there too. docracy ? srsly ? |
| 02:39 |
pete_dushenski |
Vexual: ok let's see your cool law blog |
| 02:39 |
pete_dushenski |
and no bob loblaw |
| 02:40 |
Vexual |
buy the book cunt |
| 02:40 |
pete_dushenski |
it's on my shelf |
| 02:40 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2011/fototeca-de-haur/ << not a much of a smiler eh? |
| 02:40 |
assbot |
Fototeca de Haur pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
| 02:41 |
mircea_popescu |
what are the odds that someone cracked a good joke/compliment jsut as the flash went off ? |
| 02:42 |
Vexual |
even an slr on burst wont catch it |
| 02:42 |
pete_dushenski |
fake it till you make it |
| 02:42 |
pete_dushenski |
tell yourself the joke, what? |
| 02:43 |
pete_dushenski |
goodness knows you tell yourself enough compliments, neh? |
| 02:43 |
Vexual |
moi? |
| 02:43 |
pete_dushenski |
Vexual: of course… not lol, mircea_popescu |
| 02:44 |
Vexual |
oh, sarcasm detected, my apologies |
| 02:44 |
mircea_popescu |
what am i, an entertainer ? |
| 02:44 |
pete_dushenski |
one of the best |
| 02:45 |
mircea_popescu |
welll so then let the noobs smile :D |
| 02:46 |
Vexual |
moi? |
| 02:46 |
pete_dushenski |
"What sort of day have sort of day have you, had..., dear?" she asked querulously. Khan looked up briefly, wearily. "Oh, same as usual," he said, "violent." |
| 02:47 |
pete_dushenski |
"How...how's the work going... dear?" she yelped miserably. The soldier shook her. "Put some affection into it!" he roared. She sobbed again. "How...how's the work going... dear?" she yelped miserably again, but this time with a kind of pathetic pout at the end. The mighty Khan sighed. "Oh, not too bad I suppose," he said in a world weary tone. "We swept through Manchuria a bit and spilt quite a lot of blood there. |
| 02:47 |
pete_dushenski |
That was in the morning, then this afternoon was mainly pillaging, though there was a bit of bloodshed around half four. What sort of day have you had?" |
| 02:48 |
pete_dushenski |
from http://www.douglasadams.com/dna/980707-07-s.html |
| 02:48 |
assbot |
DNA/The Private Life of Genghis Khan |
| 02:48 |
pete_dushenski |
which is going into a blog post as we speak |
| 02:49 |
pete_dushenski |
i'll let your fertile minds play with that while i bid ye "hasta manana" |
| 02:49 |
Vexual |
queruoulyly and ruinable are similar |
| 02:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6173 @ 0.00092794 = 5.7282 BTC [+] {2} |
| 02:55 |
mircea_popescu |
https://btc.waroflife.com/gow/22/ |
| 02:55 |
assbot |
Game 22 - Death 9007 Life 993 Year 826 - War of Life |
| 02:56 |
mircea_popescu |
nuts, life < 10% |
| 02:56 |
Vexual |
dyo always bet on life? |
| 02:57 |
mircea_popescu |
nah |
| 02:57 |
mircea_popescu |
and with that, i wish you a merry xmas. |
| 02:58 |
Vexual |
wait, you got a dollar for the jukebox? |
| 03:02 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDr5wa0_RLM |
| 03:13 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o4Fgh0KW_4 |
| 03:19 |
punkman |
god morgen |
| 03:19 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aF9AJm0RFc |
| 03:22 |
Vexual |
gutten morgen |
| 03:23 |
punkman |
what's good vexual |
| 03:24 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1W0Unj04HI |
| 03:29 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA644rSZX1A |
| 03:29 |
Vexual |
6 to the dollar punkman |
| 03:37 |
punkman |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH9sxQ0b0uA |
| 03:37 |
assbot |
Mutha 'uckers - Flight of the Conchords - YouTube |
| 03:37 |
Vexual |
my transactional shit |
| 03:42 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT5AQIlmM0I |
| 03:43 |
Vexual |
boom boom assbot |
| 03:44 |
punkman |
assbot don't like your links |
| 03:44 |
Vexual |
asssbot got reamed recently |
| 03:45 |
fluffypony |
x-post from -otc - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfAwihDHS_A |
| 03:45 |
assbot |
interview with labcoin shareholder - YouTube |
| 03:45 |
Vexual |
lol will qatchg |
| 03:46 |
Vexual |
*watch (lights off) |
| 03:47 |
Vexual |
fluffy, its flsh requisiset |
| 03:48 |
Vexual |
lrn2utub |
| 03:49 |
Vexual |
may i use my imagination? |
| 03:49 |
punkman |
why not |
| 03:50 |
Vexual |
lets us hop in a thing and go totunisia |
| 03:50 |
fluffypony |
Vexual: not my upload, unfortunately |
| 03:51 |
Vexual |
i check all my shit for eastern europe and ios b4 i post |
| 03:53 |
xmj |
fluffypony: woo |
| 03:54 |
xmj |
fluffypony: I have the first customer asking if I can give'm a quote. |
| 03:54 |
punkman |
works without flash, whatchu talking about |
| 03:54 |
fluffypony |
xmj: awesome |
| 03:55 |
xmj |
fluffypony: that was the south-african Pty i poked you about. German/South african company |
| 03:55 |
fluffypony |
aaah ok |
| 03:55 |
xmj |
I think.. |
| 03:59 |
Vexual |
? |
| 04:03 |
Vexual |
ever bin zanzibar fluffy pony |
| 04:04 |
fluffypony |
nope |
| 04:05 |
Vexual |
thats a trade center from long way back |
| 04:15 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWA2pjMjpBs |
| 04:19 |
Vexual |
thats not how you play frogger |
| |
~ 27 minutes ~ |
| 04:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00094217 = 8.7151 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 1 hours 2 minutes ~ |
| 05:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5159 @ 0.00094182 = 4.8588 BTC [-] {2} |
| |
~ 42 minutes ~ |
| 06:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00093291 = 5.924 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 34 minutes ~ |
| 07:06 |
xanthyos |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJQc-noLQBM |
| 07:06 |
assbot |
Badger's awesome Star Trek script idea - from Breaking Bad Season 05 Episode 09 - YouTube |
| 07:19 |
pankkake |
http://www.coindesk.com/hackers-hipsters-study-reveals-bitcoins-changing-image/ |
| 07:19 |
assbot |
From Hackers to Hipsters: Social Media's Influence on Bitcoin Price |
| 07:20 |
pankkake |
funny that rushwallet thing, coindesk makes it news but I found a 1-year old announcement on reddit |
| 07:21 |
fluffypony |
yeah - I saw that too |
| 07:21 |
fluffypony |
where they got nailed for old nginx + broken SSL et. |
| 07:21 |
fluffypony |
*etc. |
| 07:22 |
pankkake |
when really matters is that they can steal anytime they want by serving malicious javascript selectively |
| 07:22 |
pankkake |
and so can google analytics! |
| |
~ 21 minutes ~ |
| 07:44 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.25600098 = 2.56 BTC [+] {2} |
| 07:51 |
fluffypony |
not only that, but if you're on the same wifi as a user you can just poison their arp cache so you can mitm, sslstrip, and voila |
| 07:51 |
fluffypony |
they don't have HSTS on |
| 07:51 |
fluffypony |
so that makes rushwallet an insane security risk |
| 07:54 |
BingoBoingo_ |
Isn't it weird that people want super detailed and incredibly specific information when we label a bad idea a bad idea, yet they take light teasing super seriously and start writing off people's opinions immediately... |
| 07:54 |
BingoBoingo_ |
That's what I got out of the Rushwallet wall of text |
| 07:56 |
fluffypony |
yep |
| 07:56 |
fluffypony |
she got super aggressive and insulting about it too |
| 07:56 |
fluffypony |
which was bizarre |
| 07:58 |
BingoBoingo_ |
Not bizzare at all, but disappointing |
| 08:04 |
chetty |
super aggressive and insulting is the new be nice |
| 08:05 |
pankkake |
nice is just another word for faggot |
| 08:06 |
fluffypony |
pankkake: you're so nice |
| 08:20 |
BingoBoingo_ |
!up thickasthieves |
| 08:21 |
thickasthieves |
yhx |
| 08:22 |
thickasthieves |
http://www.theverge.com/2014/8/7/5978011/can-we-stop-using-speech-bubbles-for-messaging-apps lol |
| 08:22 |
assbot |
Can we stop using speech bubbles for messaging? | The Verge |
| 08:22 |
thickasthieves |
can we stop using arrows for directions? |
| 08:23 |
thickasthieves |
so annoying! |
| 08:23 |
fluffypony |
can we stop using the stiffy disk icon to save files! |
| 08:23 |
pankkake |
I've never used an application with speech bubbles |
| 08:24 |
pankkake |
it looks like an horrible skeumorphism and waste of space |
| 08:24 |
thickasthieves |
so glad i got out of the design world |
| 08:24 |
thickasthieves |
it seems itll be at the forefront of idiocy for years to come |
| 08:25 |
thickasthieves |
iconography and branding are like the new politics |
| 08:25 |
fluffypony |
as long as you get your kerning right you're home free |
| 08:25 |
thickasthieves |
all these consumers being trained to discern aesthetic nuance, yet ignore substance |
| 08:29 |
chetty |
eye candy is where it is at! |
| 08:29 |
Apocalyptic |
sadly |
| 08:33 |
fluffypony |
to be fair, I to prefer form over function |
| 08:34 |
fluffypony |
otherwise I'd drive a Land Rover Defender |
| 08:35 |
thickasthieves |
well you can have both |
| 08:36 |
fluffypony |
yes you can for some things |
| 08:37 |
fluffypony |
but I think you often encounter Zooko's Triangle |
| 08:37 |
thickasthieves |
keeping in mind this is a post from a guy complaining he has 9 messaging apps wor whatever all using icons that make too much sense to him |
| 08:37 |
thickasthieves |
his problem isnt the icons |
| 08:40 |
thickasthieves |
zooko's triangle seems flawed |
| 08:40 |
thickasthieves |
is this really a thing? |
| 08:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28300 @ 0.00093049 = 26.3329 BTC [-] {3} |
| 08:41 |
thickasthieves |
ah it's a stoner programmer thing |
| 08:43 |
xmj |
there we go |
| 08:43 |
xmj |
i need one more "yes" to consider the team complete. |
| 08:43 |
xmj |
then it'll be seven guys on three continents. |
| 08:45 |
fluffypony |
thickasthieves: what's flawed with it? |
| 08:45 |
BingoBoingo_ |
xmj: What kind of team? Cricket? |
| 08:45 |
xmj |
BingoBoingo_: consulting startup |
| 08:46 |
xmj |
sysadmins around the world covering all timezones :) |
| 08:46 |
fluffypony |
badminton |
| 08:46 |
xmj |
beerpong. |
| 08:46 |
thickasthieves |
fluffypony it seems to make 3 properties that aren't exclusively linked or equally related and paint them in a triangle |
| 08:46 |
thickasthieves |
usability, decentralization, security |
| 08:47 |
pankkake |
it's not usability |
| 08:47 |
thickasthieves |
no? |
| 08:47 |
fluffypony |
nope |
| 08:47 |
chetty |
<xmj> then it'll be seven guys on three continents.// sexist! |
| 08:47 |
xmj |
i have not received one application from a female FreeBSD systems administrator |
| 08:47 |
xmj |
wonder why |
| 08:48 |
pankkake |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooko%27s_triangle <= human meaningful is a name like "pankkake" instead of 651BB507D9889CC0 |
| 08:48 |
assbot |
Zooko's triangle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
| 08:48 |
thickasthieves |
i also dont totally see how you could then go "applying" zooko's triangle to things not domain names |
| 08:48 |
fluffypony |
thickasthieves: apply it to Bitcoin addresses |
| 08:48 |
thickasthieves |
pankkake, you mean make your name more usable? |
| 08:48 |
fluffypony |
they are secure, and they are decentralized (no central authority) |
| 08:48 |
pankkake |
I guess |
| 08:48 |
fluffypony |
but they are not human-meaningful |
| 08:49 |
fluffypony |
unless you like memorising long base58 strings |
| 08:49 |
thickasthieves |
ok but what is the point of the triangle |
| 08:49 |
thickasthieves |
how do you apply it |
| 08:49 |
fluffypony |
domain names, otoh, are human-meaningful and secure (provably yours, unique) |
| 08:49 |
fluffypony |
but they are centrally controlled |
| 08:49 |
pankkake |
but as the article notes, namecoin actually achieves that for domain names |
| 08:49 |
fluffypony |
yarp |
| 08:50 |
BingoBoingo_ |
!up The20YearIRCloud |
| 08:50 |
thickasthieves |
so i'm right? |
| 08:50 |
BingoBoingo_ |
!up zoinky |
| 08:50 |
BingoBoingo_ |
!up davout |
| 08:50 |
pankkake |
yes, perhaps not intentionally :p |
| 08:50 |
thickasthieves |
lol |
| 08:50 |
fluffypony |
thickasthieves: there are things that can arguably hit all 3 corners |
| 08:50 |
fluffypony |
but most don't |
| 08:50 |
davout |
ohai |
| 08:51 |
chetty |
these days human meaningful is pretty squishy, I mane is bff,lol,txt really meaningful? |
| 08:51 |
thickasthieves |
and the point of the triangle is to say "pick two" ? |
| 08:51 |
fluffypony |
thickasthieves: yes |
| 08:51 |
fluffypony |
chetty: in this context it's clearly defined, though |
| 08:51 |
thickasthieves |
yet it's own wiki says picking 3 is cool too |
| 08:51 |
fluffypony |
chetty: "The quality of meaningfulness and memorability to the users of the naming system." |
| 08:51 |
fluffypony |
!up thickasthieves |
| 08:51 |
zoinky |
woop woop |
| 08:51 |
fluffypony |
thickasthieves: remember, this was "invented" by Zooko in 2001 |
| 08:52 |
fluffypony |
stuff that is the exception to the rule only came about 10 years later |
| 08:52 |
thickasthieves |
so the rule was wrong |
| 08:52 |
fluffypony |
yes |
| 08:52 |
chetty |
well I don't 'get' most of the icon stuff .. maybe I am not human |
| 08:53 |
thickasthieves |
i understand i have the hindsight zookoi didnt, but then why refer to his triangle anymore? |
| 08:53 |
fluffypony |
thickasthieves: I referred to it in the context of software |
| 08:53 |
fluffypony |
I was going to elaborate on it earlier |
| 08:53 |
thickasthieves |
sry |
| 08:54 |
fluffypony |
it's fine - you just jumped the gun a little, lol |
| 08:54 |
fluffypony |
I was going to say that with Zooko's triangle it was believed that a naming system couldn't be simultaneously human-meaningful, decentralised, and secure (you had to pick 2) |
| 08:55 |
fluffypony |
so with software I think that often times it's this intuitive to use - secure - performant triangle |
| 08:55 |
fluffypony |
and we tend to pick the secure & performant stuff, most users pick intuitive & performant, sacrificing security |
| 08:55 |
thickasthieves |
"price, speed, quality. pick two." |
| 08:56 |
fluffypony |
but just like Zooko's conjecture was proven wrong, there is the rare piece of software that meets all 3 |
| 08:58 |
thickasthieves |
is it a rarity or a degree though? |
| 08:58 |
thickasthieves |
referring to the earlier security conversation |
| 08:58 |
fluffypony |
hmmmm |
| 08:59 |
fluffypony |
wrt naming systems I suppose it's a degee |
| 08:59 |
fluffypony |
*degree |
| 08:59 |
fluffypony |
since even a Bitcoin address can be memorised if you're so inclined |
| 08:59 |
thickasthieves |
and even a decentralized network is centralized itself |
| 09:00 |
fluffypony |
yeah but the triangle refers to a centralised naming authority, so only decentralised in that sense |
| 09:00 |
thickasthieves |
just referring to degree again, all the aspects are degrees |
| 09:00 |
thickasthieves |
they each can pull from the other but not in any proportion or equality |
| 09:00 |
fluffypony |
that's true |
| 09:01 |
thickasthieves |
it's what bothered me about the triangle |
| 09:01 |
fluffypony |
I wonder if tox.im breaks the triangle |
| 09:01 |
fluffypony |
I haven't even tried it yet |
| 09:04 |
thickasthieves |
sry Tox has a word bubble icon, fuck that |
| 09:05 |
fluffypony |
which interface? |
| 09:05 |
thickasthieves |
the logo |
| 09:05 |
fluffypony |
Toxic is CLI only |
| 09:05 |
rithm |
zookoo's triangle should've had a privkey backup in it somewhere :| |
| 09:05 |
fluffypony |
so no bubbles there |
| 09:05 |
fluffypony |
rithm: that's Usagi's Square |
| 09:05 |
thickasthieves |
the logo on the website uses bubble |
| 09:06 |
thickasthieves |
DOA icon, sry! |
| 09:06 |
rithm |
sekrit rumor is tahoe-lafs lost their privkey |
| 09:06 |
fluffypony |
rithm: they did |
| 09:06 |
pankkake |
shouldn't the Bitcoin icon be a bubble too? |
| 09:06 |
fluffypony |
and there's like 340 BTC in it |
| 09:06 |
rithm |
so so sad |
| 09:06 |
fluffypony |
but that's ages ago |
| 09:06 |
thickasthieves |
pankkake it is a B in a bubble |
| 09:07 |
fluffypony |
rithm: they lost it 18 months ago - https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/wiki/BitCoinPage?version=4 |
| 09:07 |
assbot |
BitCoinPage Tahoe-LAFS |
| 09:07 |
fluffypony |
sad :( |
| 09:07 |
rithm |
o |
| 09:07 |
rithm |
my dialup modem takes forever to load rss feeds |
| 09:07 |
rithm |
i must be behind |
| 09:08 |
fluffypony |
thankfully they're raised 3.8 BTC on the new address, so there's that |
| 09:08 |
pankkake |
wait, tahoe devs can't backups? :/ |
| 09:08 |
fluffypony |
:-P |
| 09:08 |
thickasthieves |
hehe |
| 09:09 |
fluffypony |
;;balance 19jzBxijUeLvcMVpUYXcRr5kGG3ThWgx4P |
| 09:09 |
gribble |
358.519266 |
| 09:09 |
fluffypony |
ouch |
| 09:09 |
fluffypony |
mostly 2010 donations tho, so there's that |
| 09:10 |
rithm |
more than a car, less than a castle |
| 09:10 |
fluffypony |
lol |
| 09:10 |
rithm |
it's recoverable in time |
| 09:10 |
fluffypony |
just wait for those pocket quantum computers to come out |
| 09:11 |
rithm |
quantum computer can't touch my stellar bro |
| 09:11 |
fluffypony |
but Facebook can |
| 09:11 |
thickasthieves |
;;balance 36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2 |
| 09:11 |
gribble |
24082.7864308 |
| 09:11 |
fluffypony |
lolthereum |
| 09:12 |
fluffypony |
;;calc 24082*[;;ticker --last] |
| 09:12 |
gribble |
Error: ";;ticker" is not a valid command. |
| 09:12 |
fluffypony |
oh well fuck you, gribble |
| 09:12 |
fluffypony |
;;calc 24082*582.63 |
| 09:12 |
gribble |
14030895.66 |
| 09:12 |
fluffypony |
well at least he has a nice retirement annuity now |
| 09:13 |
rithm |
so like these pictures i'm seeing of rumored iphone 6c's |
| 09:14 |
rithm |
looks like a seat of beats headphones |
| 09:14 |
thickasthieves |
bitcoin dev funding = $0 ethereum dev funding = $priceless |
| 09:15 |
chetty |
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/07/new-infographic-reveals-what-you-can-purchase-with-one-dollar-around-the-world/ |
| 09:15 |
assbot |
New Infographic Reveals What You Can Purchase With One Dollar Around the World | TheBlaze.com |
| 09:15 |
fluffypony |
thickasthieves: yeah but the Bitcoin Foundation screws the left hand side of that up |
| 09:16 |
thickasthieves |
what did TBF fund that exists in main client? |
| 09:17 |
thickasthieves |
payment requests? |
| 09:17 |
BingoBoingo |
Prolly that. Also apparently CoinBase does that Bits garbage now as well |
| 09:17 |
thickasthieves |
my bet is that BitPay will take over core dev |
| 09:18 |
fluffypony |
that would be awesome |
| 09:18 |
thickasthieves |
you can get a whole bottle of wine for $1 in italy? |
| 09:18 |
thickasthieves |
6 bottles of mineral water? |
| 09:18 |
thickasthieves |
is it like a 3rd world country now? |
| 09:19 |
chetty |
well I can get some pretty good wine here for about 25 peso, and peso is about 12.5 to the dollar |
| 09:20 |
thickasthieves |
yer in argentina too? |
| 09:20 |
chetty |
ya |
| 09:20 |
thickasthieves |
neat |
| 09:20 |
thickasthieves |
they sell individual cigarettes in england? |
| 09:21 |
BingoBoingo |
thickasthieves> my bet is that BitPay will take over core dev << Why with all the money they ship the foundation? |
| 09:22 |
thickasthieves |
because bitpay actually has necessity |
| 09:22 |
thickasthieves |
they also have incentive |
| 09:23 |
thickasthieves |
http://cdn2.hiphopmyway.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/rihanna_ass_pic1.jpg |
| 09:29 |
fluffypony |
http://i.imgur.com/m3GWyik.jpg |
| 09:29 |
fluffypony |
hax0rz |
| 09:30 |
davout |
;;later tell mike_c the links to S.WOL on waroflife.com link to mpex.co, might want to change the url |
| 09:30 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 09:31 |
thickasthieves |
lol, billions of data |
| 09:31 |
thickasthieves |
datacoinz |
| 09:34 |
pankkake |
http://politics.slashdot.org/story/14/08/07/1234203/snowden-granted-3-more-years-of-russian-residency |
| 09:34 |
assbot |
Snowden Granted 3 More Years of Russian Residency - Slashdot |
| 09:36 |
BingoBoingo |
thickasthieves> because bitpay actually has necessity << No more than most. Anyways I though they were more focused on wallet fork. |
| 09:38 |
thickasthieves |
as opposed to? |
| 09:39 |
thickasthieves |
you mean copay? |
| 09:39 |
thickasthieves |
they seem to be putting a lot of effort into dev |
| 09:39 |
thickasthieves |
Bitcoin Core, Copay, etc |
| 09:39 |
thickasthieves |
imo it's just beginning |
| 09:40 |
pankkake |
also bitcore |
| 09:41 |
thickasthieves |
http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/08/07/russia-bans-food-imports-invites-higher-inflation |
| 09:41 |
assbot |
Russia Bans Food Imports, Invites Higher Inflation - MoneyBeat - WSJ |
| 09:42 |
BingoBoingo |
mega lol http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2718863/Russian-students-beam-racist-laser-depicting-President-Obama-eating-banana-US-embassy-Moscow-American-leader-s-birthday.html?%3Fito%3Dsocial-twitter=_mailonline |
| 09:43 |
thickasthieves |
racist? |
| 09:43 |
thickasthieves |
what's the pennant? |
| 09:43 |
BingoBoingo |
Against Bananas |
| 09:45 |
BingoBoingo |
Bitpay puts in a lot of Dev, but... How many foundation seats connect to them? |
| 09:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19863 @ 0.00092994 = 18.4714 BTC [-] |
| 09:48 |
thickasthieves |
i dont think bitpay cares about TBF beyond it's ability to serve as a tool to its own ends |
| 09:48 |
thickasthieves |
its |
| 09:48 |
thickasthieves |
simply put, bitpay is higher on the ladder |
| 09:54 |
thickasthieves |
tmobile ceo can censor wsj? http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/08/06/t-mobile-ceo-talks-sprint-smack-on-twitter/ |
| 09:54 |
assbot |
T-Mobile CEO Talks Sprint Smack on Twitter - MoneyBeat - WSJ |
| 09:54 |
thickasthieves |
no article to be seen |
| 10:04 |
mike_c |
davout: thanks, link fixed. |
| 10:12 |
BingoBoingo |
Identify the author: http://i.imgur.com/HbHjvhj.png |
| 10:12 |
BingoBoingo |
!up astRocre1p |
| 10:12 |
BingoBoingo |
!up nam-shub |
| 10:12 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Namworld |
| 10:14 |
BingoBoingo |
Don't everyone guess the author all at once... |
| 10:15 |
cazalla |
is that the unabomber? |
| 10:15 |
nam-shub |
do you have love ones who depend on you? What if the worst happens, have you considered life insurance? nam-shub can save you big big big! |
| 10:15 |
TomServo |
lolwut |
| 10:17 |
BingoBoingo |
cazalla: Yup |
| 10:18 |
BingoBoingo |
cazalla: Or as you may refer to him Dr. Kaczynski |
| 10:18 |
cazalla |
BingoBoingo, i like Ted's essays, wonder if it was all that mk ultra stuff that tipped him over though |
| 10:18 |
BingoBoingo |
Maybe even Dr. K |
| 10:20 |
BingoBoingo |
cazalla: Or you can go with what he said: "The best place, to me, was the largest remnant of this plateau that dates from the tertiary age. It's kind of rolling country, not flat, and when you get to the edge of it you find these ravines that cut very steeply in to cliff-like drop-offs and there was even a waterfall there. It was about a two days' hike from my cabin. That was the best spot until the summer of 1983. That summer the |
| 10:20 |
BingoBoingo |
re were too many people around my cabin so I decided I needed some peace. I went back to the plateau and when I got there I found they had put a road right through the middle of it... You just can't imagine how upset I was. It was from that point on I decided that, rather than trying to acquire further wilderness skills, I would work on getting back at the system. Revenge." |
| 10:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16205 @ 0.00092661 = 15.0157 BTC [-] |
| 10:26 |
cazalla |
BingoBoingo, i know the quote and he's understandably upset but to jump to bombs even before angry letters might be a bit much |
| 10:27 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 611 @ 0.0021 = 1.2831 BTC [+] |
| 10:27 |
BingoBoingo |
cazalla: You have to remember that pre-Internet trolling wasn't as viable outlet for dissent as it is now. |
| 10:28 |
cazalla |
do you think that has stopped copycats? |
| 10:29 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, who are the copycats now? |
| 10:29 |
cazalla |
no i'm asking in the sense that access to online porn and rapes dropped during same period |
| 10:30 |
cazalla |
post internet trolling being an outlet for people who may have sent bombs in the past if they didn't have it |
| 10:31 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, let's consider like versus like, now there are less middle aged and aging hermit sending mail bombs. They've been instead been replaced largely by 20 somethings who can't get laid and take it all out of one venue and they are spent. |
| 10:32 |
cazalla |
i don't really see the connection between unabomber and elliott rodger types besides the violence |
| 10:33 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, the Elliot Roger type is where the violence is now. |
| 10:35 |
cazalla |
they both kill people of no consequence though :\ |
| 10:35 |
BingoBoingo |
Though I wonder what Dr. K's FBI file looked like when he was in Academia |
| 10:36 |
BingoBoingo |
cazalla: Dr. K tried to kill people he though were of consequence |
| 10:36 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 408 @ 0.00209999 = 0.8568 BTC [-] |
| 10:37 |
cazalla |
i mean, some of the school shooters have a higher kill/death ratio than him |
| 10:37 |
BingoBoingo |
Most do. |
| 10:39 |
cazalla |
although none sustained a reign of terror for as long as ted did |
| 10:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37745 @ 0.00092738 = 35.004 BTC [+] {2} |
| 10:39 |
BingoBoingo |
Dr. K had a problem. How to put his writing in front of as many people as possible. Maybe the reign of terror was more a tool to that end than the writing a tool to jsutify the terror. |
| 10:40 |
BingoBoingo |
Think how many fingers wordpress could have saved back then. |
| 10:41 |
cazalla |
there was always fidonet |
| 10:42 |
cazalla |
clearly a smart guy though, his leftism essay helped me to understand some of the frustration i feel towards leftist people but wasn't smart enough to figure out myself |
| |
~ 31 minutes ~ |
| 11:13 |
BingoBoingo |
http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/08/07/1250204/massive-russian-hack-has-researchers-scratching-their-heads |
| 11:13 |
assbot |
Massive Russian Hack Has Researchers Scratching Their Heads - Slashdot |
| 11:14 |
BingoBoingo |
"But I can't answer that because the people who disclosed this decided they want to make money off of this. There's no way for others to verify." Wisniewski was referring to an offer by Hold Security to notify website operators if they were affected, but only if they sign up for its breach notification service, which starts at $120 per year. |
| 11:16 |
BigBitz |
I found it... strange... they announced it but then wrapped it up with their own 'Solutions' |
| 11:16 |
BigBitz |
and if Sophos research team can't expense $120 something is fucked. |
| 11:19 |
BingoBoingo |
Well... can they expense $120 per website? |
| 11:20 |
BigBitz |
Their point is around the inability to confirm the data as HOLD won't share/release it. |
| 11:25 |
chetty |
the protection racket moves into the 21st century |
| 11:27 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2347 @ 0.00201717 = 4.7343 BTC [-] {15} |
| 11:29 |
rithm |
yeah hold security going for the squeeze |
| 11:30 |
rithm |
the 'ol hack and hype |
| 11:33 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 396 @ 0.00196477 = 0.778 BTC [-] {6} |
| 11:35 |
mircea_popescu |
;;later tell moiety but it IS spam calls lol. pretty good social engineer skills on them cold callers huh ? how did the conversation go ? |
| 11:35 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 11:39 |
mircea_popescu |
http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsbnji940W1r3oxc0o1_500.jpg << in place of good morning. |
| 11:45 |
mircea_popescu |
"WeÂ’ve completed our investigation of your unauthorized payment claim. As the payment was sent as part of a billing agreement, it is considered to be an authorized payment. However, as a courtesy to you, we have issued you a refund for this transaction." |
| 11:46 |
mircea_popescu |
phear the people paypal aims to be curteous towards. |
| 11:49 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 584 @ 0.00193014 = 1.1272 BTC [-] {10} |
| 11:51 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 520 @ 0.00191 = 0.9932 BTC [-] {2} |
| 11:52 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c btw, perhaps a link to promotion in wol faq/news ? |
| 11:52 |
mike_c |
good idea |
| 11:54 |
mircea_popescu |
so what i wish to know is, anyone left on the internet that didn't shitlist mcdlv.net as far as stmp is concerned ? |
| 11:59 |
mike_c |
promotion linked. |
| 11:59 |
mircea_popescu |
le cool. |
| 11:59 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.71467340 BTC to 12`777 shares, 13420 satoshi per share |
| 11:59 |
mircea_popescu |
how's teh forum thread coming along ? you got banned yet ? |
| 12:01 |
mike_c |
it is chugging along. few hundred views. no banning yet, as no forum moderrators have been told to fuck off. |
| 12:01 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 15.60533716 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1357 satoshi per share |
| 12:01 |
Namworld |
That's the highest crime. |
| 12:01 |
mike_c |
this will likely change if one of them ever shows up in the thread. |
| 12:01 |
chetty |
no guts, no glory |
| 12:01 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 12:02 |
mircea_popescu |
no guts no gore i think it was |
| 12:02 |
mircea_popescu |
god damned i love answering people asking me "what's my budget" with http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mircea+popescu |
| 12:02 |
assbot |
Let me google that for you |
| 12:02 |
mircea_popescu |
being rich is no big deal, but being an asshole is worth all the gold in the world. |
| 12:07 |
mircea_popescu |
o look at that ben_vulpes, you neatly show in reflogs : http://www.van-ads.com/venues/btcalpha/468x60 |
| 12:07 |
assbot |
VAN iframe |
| 12:07 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c you're so far the winner of teh referrals contest. |
| 12:07 |
mike_c |
w00t. take note advertisers. |
| 12:10 |
mircea_popescu |
http://serverfault.com/questions/536058/sending-on-behalf-of-with-authorized-email-as-envelope-but-from-email-to-be-clie <<< this made me lol. |
| 12:10 |
assbot |
postfix - Sending on behalf of with authorized email as envelope but from email to be client email - Server Fault |
| 12:18 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2043 @ 0.00190005 = 3.8818 BTC [-] {9} |
| 12:26 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 100 @ 0.01 = 1 BTC [-] |
| 12:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 585 @ 0.0019 = 1.1115 BTC [-] |
| 12:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 176 @ 0.01 = 1.76 BTC [-] |
| 12:31 |
mircea_popescu |
pete_dushenski "2. Forbidden to ever make peace with a monarch, a prince or a people who have not submitted." << definitely how it goes for bitcoin. |
| 12:31 |
mircea_popescu |
none of this "adapt bitcoin to whatever laws" and none of that "adapt laws to bitcoin" either. submission, complete, not negociable. |
| 12:32 |
pete_dushenski |
100% :) |
| 12:32 |
pete_dushenski |
and how you beat penguirker to the punch never ceases to amaze me |
| 12:32 |
mircea_popescu |
you pingback you silly. |
| 12:33 |
pete_dushenski |
well duh |
| 12:35 |
mircea_popescu |
"The father Temüjin knew was not his biological father but his wife’s captor"... |
| 12:36 |
pete_dushenski |
yup |
| 12:37 |
mircea_popescu |
that his doesn't follow the way you want it to. |
| 12:37 |
mircea_popescu |
it attaches to the named. temujin had a wife as an unborn ? |
| 12:38 |
|
Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Tesla stock to close at over $250 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/955/ Odds: 88(Y):12(N) by coin, 87(Y):13(N) by weight. Total bet: 16.51494688 BTC. Current weight: 74,119. |
| 12:38 |
Namworld |
http://trilema.com/2014/time-for-some-bitlicenses-of-our-own/ << Of course they can regulate anything. Regulating never prevented people from doing whatever they pleased, neither does it in this case. Regulating involves having sticks to deter non-compliance if discovered. Anyone can do that for anything, provided they got a sufficient amount of sticks in the region they wish to regulate. |
| 12:38 |
assbot |
Time for some Bitlicenses of our own. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
| 12:38 |
Namworld |
They even didn't say that Bitcoin can't do X or Y, because they can't regulate that, obviously. They regulate what their own people can or cannot do/use. |
| 12:38 |
FabianB |
$traded |
| 12:38 |
empyex |
FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: S.MPOE |
| 12:38 |
Namworld |
They regulate people. |
| 12:39 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: right. should be "mother" instead of "wife" |
| 12:39 |
Namworld |
Regulating people usually involve punishment after the fact, since altering how the world works isn't really a possibility. |
| 12:40 |
mircea_popescu |
Namworld i think you're missing a major component here. what you describe, I can afford, the us can not. |
| 12:40 |
mircea_popescu |
the us may only exist as a LAWFUL body, not as merely a regulatory body. |
| 12:40 |
mircea_popescu |
so the sticks issue is moot. |
| 12:41 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 80 @ 0.01 = 0.8 BTC [-] |
| 12:42 |
pete_dushenski |
this is the garbage wallet rebeccabitcoin brought up yesterday: http://techcrunch.com/2014/08/07/kryptokit-launches-rushwallet-an-instant-cross-platform-bitcoin-wallet/ |
| 12:42 |
assbot |
KryptoKit Launches RushWallet: An Instant, Cross-Platform Bitcoin Wallet | TechCrunch |
| 12:43 |
Namworld |
Well one could argue they indeed have the means to enforce local regulation CURRENTLY. If that ends up being bad and hurts them afterward, they just loose power. |
| 12:44 |
mircea_popescu |
just as well one could argue they don't have the means. |
| 12:44 |
mircea_popescu |
either argument will come to the same test, |
| 12:44 |
mircea_popescu |
which will take time |
| 12:44 |
mircea_popescu |
time enough for the currently to have expired. |
| 12:45 |
Namworld |
I suppose so |
| 12:45 |
mircea_popescu |
moreover, the test is disproportionately expensive to undetake, for this reason. |
| 12:47 |
mircea_popescu |
on one hand, one party risks being maintained by the other, at its expense, well in excess of 100 btc a year, for a while. on the other hand, that other party risks complete disolution. |
| 12:48 |
mircea_popescu |
kinda why lenin and the gang survived the tsar just fine. |
| 12:49 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 900 @ 0.00179772 = 1.6179 BTC [-] {12} |
| 12:51 |
pete_dushenski |
sorry, lenin and co survived because they had the financial means to outlast the tsars? |
| 12:51 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2830 @ 0.00173658 = 4.9145 BTC [-] {7} |
| 12:51 |
pete_dushenski |
also, this is happens when you invade a country. they invade you back: http://www.armytimes.com/article/20140806/CAREERS03/308060058/New-one-star-U-S-military-s-first-general-born-Vietnam |
| 12:51 |
assbot |
New one-star is U.S. military's first general born in Vietnam | Army Times | armytimes.com |
| 12:51 |
pete_dushenski |
just like taleb's couscous observation |
| 12:52 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 212 @ 0.00251062 = 0.5323 BTC [+] {5} |
| 12:54 |
mircea_popescu |
pete_dushenski tsar (who ruled by divine right) govt (which HAD the authority to exist as a merely regulatory body) made a leninlicense. |
| 12:54 |
mircea_popescu |
which lenin did not bother to get. he was arrested, and accused of lenining without a license. this is the test above. |
| 12:54 |
mircea_popescu |
if lenin fails this test, his punishment is to... go to switzerland. |
| 12:54 |
mircea_popescu |
if the tsar's government fails the test, its punishment is to no longer exist. |
| 12:55 |
mircea_popescu |
this differential does not yield surprising results in practice, and the standing of the us govt is weaker than the tsar's was. |
| 12:56 |
pete_dushenski |
aic, ty |
| 12:56 |
pete_dushenski |
http://contravex.com/2014/08/07/this-is-the-bitcoin-empire-this-is-the-new-yasa/ |
| 12:56 |
assbot |
This Is The Bitcoin Empire. This Is The New Yasa | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski |
| 12:57 |
pete_dushenski |
^because i'll go gray waiting for penguirker |
| 12:57 |
ben_vulpes |
<pete_dushenski> if not by me, then by my, what shall we call them... colleagues? << it's the peerage ;) |
| 12:58 |
pete_dushenski |
ben_vulpes: yes, that's much better :) |
| 12:59 |
pete_dushenski |
and mr. ben_vulpes, as a student of power, you should enjoy this most recent blog post |
| 12:59 |
ben_vulpes |
it is now loaded into the tablist |
| 12:59 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 58 @ 0.01489998 = 0.8642 BTC [+] |
| 12:59 |
mircea_popescu |
hot on espn : the peerage vs teh derpage. |
| 12:59 |
ben_vulpes |
am only waiting for babe to enface-ify then it's bike to breastfast sammich time |
| 13:00 |
ben_vulpes |
followed by MOAR SERVER |
| 13:00 |
mircea_popescu |
enface-ify ? |
| 13:00 |
mircea_popescu |
she wears makeup biking ?! |
| 13:00 |
ben_vulpes |
great thing about new server is that i can run it as hot as i want without some virtualization layer going "mmmm, that's a little bit too hot. let's bork your input and ouput for a bit." |
| 13:00 |
ben_vulpes |
well, teeth. |
| 13:01 |
pete_dushenski |
tooth blush? |
| 13:01 |
mircea_popescu |
ahahh |
| 13:01 |
ben_vulpes |
har |
| 13:01 |
pete_dushenski |
dental mascara? |
| 13:01 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes yup. |
| 13:01 |
pete_dushenski |
gum liner? |
| 13:01 |
pete_dushenski |
"Google will begin using website encryption, or HTTPS, as a ranking signal – a move which should prompt website developers who have dragged their heels on increased security measures" << lulz |
| 13:02 |
ben_vulpes |
(plus 8 whole cores! oodles of memory!) |
| 13:02 |
* |
ben_vulpes is a happy camper |
| 13:02 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
| 13:02 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 13:03 |
mircea_popescu |
then he' |
| 13:03 |
asciilifeform |
no heartbleed, no pagerank. |
| 13:03 |
mircea_popescu |
s all "wait mpex costs 20k a month ?!?!?!" |
| 13:03 |
pete_dushenski |
asciilifeform: backdoors for all! |
| 13:03 |
pete_dushenski |
it's a right |
| 13:04 |
ben_vulpes |
<asciilifeform> no heartbleed, no pagerank. << search engines. next frontier of bitcoin. |
| 13:04 |
mircea_popescu |
pete_dushenski i know i treat teh backdoors as a right... |
| 13:05 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform the problem with google is that it's becoming rather irrelevant. think about your own data consumption process, how often do you include something you found on google ? and when exactly ? |
| 13:05 |
mircea_popescu |
generally you KNOW the sources. |
| 13:05 |
mircea_popescu |
if you dont, you know how to identify one, and google supplies a raw list, like a sort of research intern. |
| 13:06 |
pete_dushenski |
fluffypony: badminton << count me in for this team! 99.9% chance i'm the best player here :) |
| 13:06 |
mircea_popescu |
in any case, the people who end up places because google are generally speaking they too young or too stupid to have a populated mental space / bookmark list |
| 13:06 |
mircea_popescu |
and the more action driven among those are on the various muppetwitters already |
| 13:06 |
mircea_popescu |
so really there's not all that much left google can do. |
| 13:07 |
pete_dushenski |
or they just like typing in the url bar to get the wiki link |
| 13:07 |
mircea_popescu |
pete_dushenski i know i call lo... from the url bar to go places 10x as often as i call google. |
| 13:07 |
mircea_popescu |
and that's raw frequency. if moderated by importance... 99% of what google does for me is grep trilema. |
| 13:08 |
pete_dushenski |
backdooring google ;) |
| 13:09 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: unfortunately google has a watertight monopoly on at least one resource - usenet archive. |
| 13:09 |
mircea_popescu |
that's copied to all hell no ? |
| 13:09 |
asciilifeform |
not in totality, no |
| 13:09 |
mircea_popescu |
so what are you waiting for ? |
| 13:09 |
asciilifeform |
they bought (and zapped) 'dejanews' - the only reasonably total archive |
| 13:09 |
chetty |
lets go back to gopher |
| 13:10 |
mircea_popescu |
it'll be the lulz of all time if 20 years from now google survives as this grim, unwelcoming steward of usenet archive. |
| 13:10 |
mircea_popescu |
suing everyone everywhere. |
| 13:10 |
asciilifeform |
they'll survive - or not - as the same thing microshit is - u.s. department of search engine. |
| 13:10 |
asciilifeform |
(vs u.s. dept. of operating system) |
| 13:11 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 13:11 |
asciilifeform |
(nobody but me and perhaps half a dozen other weirdos give a flying fuck about usenet archive) |
| 13:15 |
BigBitz |
I used to like usenet. |
| 13:16 |
asciilifeform |
http://yarchive.net << for anyone unfamiliar with this unique collection |
| 13:16 |
assbot |
Yarchive |
| 13:16 |
asciilifeform |
^ one thinking man's 'best of' archive |
| 13:18 |
pete_dushenski |
http://contravex.com/2014/08/03/democracy-vs-aristocracy/#comment-1086 |
| 13:18 |
assbot |
Democracy vs. Aristocracy | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski |
| 13:19 |
pete_dushenski |
some nincompoop thinks zuckerberg can amass 1 mn btc. just like that. more lulz |
| 13:20 |
BigBitz |
I'm sure he could do a 51% attack if he /really/ wanted. :) |
| 13:20 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72000 @ 0.00091367 = 65.7842 BTC [-] {4} |
| 13:21 |
pete_dushenski |
BigBitz: ya, on dogecoin |
| 13:21 |
BigBitz |
yeah, because he wouldn't have the financial resources to do it on BTC.... |
| 13:21 |
asciilifeform |
does arsebook have its own crapcoin yet ? |
| 13:21 |
pete_dushenski |
they have credits kinda thingies |
| 13:22 |
pete_dushenski |
BigBitz: his resources are tied up in a stock which he basically can't sell |
| 13:22 |
pete_dushenski |
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/231278210449?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 << nifty |
| 13:22 |
assbot |
Apple MAC Macintosh Adjustable Keyboard Ergo Ergonomic Keypad M1242 Vintage Mint | eBay |
| 13:23 |
pete_dushenski |
and ending in 15m |
| 13:23 |
asciilifeform |
pete_dushenski: z's 'resources' mainly consist of his seat at the fuhrer's table (as propaganda minister) |
| 13:23 |
BigBitz |
Yeah that $3B he cashed out must be hardh, pete_dushenski. |
| 13:23 |
asciilifeform |
so hypothetically he could access various resources through means other than buying |
| 13:24 |
pete_dushenski |
BigBitz: $3b eh? news to me :) |
| 13:24 |
BigBitz |
He cashed out over $4B if I remember. |
| 13:24 |
BigBitz |
We would need to Google to confirm but, yeah, pretty sure he cashed out multi Billions. |
| 13:24 |
pete_dushenski |
;;google zuckerberg facebook stock sale |
| 13:24 |
BigBitz |
and he did some last year as well. |
| 13:24 |
gribble |
Zuckerberg to Pocket $1 Billion in Facebook Stock Sale - WSJ: <http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304773104579267833572235984>; Facebook and Mark Zuckerberg Sell Shares, Facebook Stock Price ...: <http://allthingsd.com/20131219/facebook-and-mark-zuckerberg-sell-and-so-does-wall-street/>; Facebook's Zuckerberg selling $2.3 billion in stock - USA Today: (1 more message) |
| 13:24 |
BigBitz |
So I guess he has cashed out over $5Bn. |
| 13:25 |
BigBitz |
Either way - don't fool yourself if you think the SUPER RICH couldn't do what they wanted with Bitcoin. Not saying it would be an easy thing but it's not at all impossible. |
| 13:25 |
pete_dushenski |
"While Zuckerberg will end up pocketing $33 million, his overall stake in Facebook is barely changing, and he’s donating $1 billion to charity." |
| 13:26 |
BigBitz |
Yeah that was the second cash out - he did $3Bn this year I am almost certain. |
| 13:26 |
pete_dushenski |
from the second link, dec 2013 |
| 13:26 |
BigBitz |
Let me goodl... |
| 13:26 |
BigBitz |
errr Google. |
| 13:26 |
asciilifeform |
SUPER RICH couldn't do what they wanted << they contracted it out. to usg. |
| 13:26 |
BigBitz |
According to a Facebook filing this week, Zuckerberg pulled the trigger on some 60 million shares worth of options at the end of last year, netting a profit of about $3.3 billion. He immediately turned around and sold more than 41 million shares while turning over 18 million, worth almost $1 billion at the time, to his favorite charity, the Silicon Valley Community Foundation. |
| 13:27 |
BigBitz |
So yeah... he got dat paper, yo. |
| 13:27 |
pete_dushenski |
well, if the "super rich" could touch bitcoin, they would |
| 13:27 |
pete_dushenski |
not like they're waiting for a mailed invitation |
| 13:28 |
pete_dushenski |
it's sitting right there |
| 13:28 |
BigBitz |
You change from "omg not possible" to "they would if they could" heh. |
| 13:28 |
BigBitz |
I suspect plently of rich people have Bitcoin. |
| 13:28 |
BigBitz |
If they want it they can get it. |
| 13:28 |
pete_dushenski |
BigBitz: dude, those two reduce to the same thing |
| 13:28 |
BigBitz |
ie; if Zuckerberg really really really wanted 1M BTC of course he could. |
| 13:28 |
mircea_popescu |
<asciilifeform> (nobody but me and perhaps half a dozen other weirdos give a flying fuck about usenet archive) << nonsense. history is history. |
| 13:29 |
BigBitz |
Anyways - I am not trying to incite an argument. I just think and believe that if they wanted it they'd get it. Cash is their king (and many others). |
| 13:30 |
fluffypony |
but amassing 1M BTC wouldn't cost him $660 M |
| 13:30 |
fluffypony |
the market implications are huge |
| 13:31 |
asciilifeform |
fluffypony: no market implications if you sink the usd into mining vs. buying. |
| 13:31 |
fluffypony |
that's true |
| 13:31 |
BigBitz |
that's why we need darkpool/iceberg ;) |
| 13:31 |
pete_dushenski |
fluffypony: 1 mn btc on the market would cost infinity billion ;) |
| 13:32 |
BigBitz |
bbl... no arguing :P |
| 13:32 |
mircea_popescu |
<asciilifeform> fluffypony: no market implications if you sink the usd into mining vs. buying. << think again. |
| 13:32 |
fluffypony |
not arguing, just thinking |
| 13:32 |
asciilifeform |
baking a sha2 core into 10mil consumer webcams/routers/ethernet-enabled dildos costs considerably less than 1b. |
| 13:32 |
mircea_popescu |
what btc revenue can you guarantee me today for a 1bn usd investment in s.rig ? |
| 13:33 |
mike_c |
;;calc 1000000 / (25 * 6 * 24) |
| 13:33 |
gribble |
277.777777778 |
| 13:33 |
mike_c |
hm, good luck getting 1mn through mining |
| 13:33 |
mircea_popescu |
<BigBitz> Either way - don't fool yourself if you think the SUPER RICH couldn't do what they wanted with Bitcoin. Not saying it would be an easy thing but it's not at all impossible. << i'm saying it would be impossible. |
| 13:34 |
mircea_popescu |
if it weren't impossible, it'd have been done already. |
| 13:34 |
asciilifeform |
hell, doesn't have to be below-board - sell next iPnohe with the understanding that $1 off monthly charge but gizmo mines for the fuhrer while plugged into mains for battery charge. |
| 13:34 |
mircea_popescu |
there's a reason only washed up nobodies a la pierce and twinkletoss come derping around to be impaled on the fence pikes. |
| 13:34 |
mircea_popescu |
that reason is that the people with some self respect left don't wish to play the part of decorative mosquito. |
| 13:34 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform even so. |
| 13:35 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c exactly. |
| 13:35 |
mircea_popescu |
<BigBitz> Anyways - I am not trying to incite an argument. I just think and believe that if they wanted it they'd get it. Cash is their king (and many others). << the world has new kings, meanwhile. the direct effect of this being that no, the old kings couldn't anything, whether they wanted it or not. |
| 13:36 |
asciilifeform |
chinese have useful concept, 'mandate of heaven' |
| 13:36 |
mircea_popescu |
Jefferson Davis couldn't sign a law, either. |
| 13:36 |
mircea_popescu |
BigBitz also you will notice, taking 1bn of stock and lavisingh it upon some charity does empathically not constitute a cash out. |
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| 13:37 |
BigBitz |
read the whole thread, mircea_popescu. |
| 13:37 |
BigBitz |
not the bit that supports your opinion. |
| 13:37 |
mircea_popescu |
it's a cash out when he takes 1bn of facebook stock and gives it to support rebels ousting the us from the ukraine. |
| 13:37 |
BigBitz |
he previously cashed out $3Bn worth. |
| 13:37 |
mircea_popescu |
that's cashing out : when you take your money and hit someone over the head with it. |
| 13:37 |
BigBitz |
Haha. |
| 13:37 |
BigBitz |
does it have to be Ukranians? |
| 13:37 |
mircea_popescu |
something i can do, if i want. i can sell out mpoe stock and put a 1bn dolar contract on obama's head. |
| 13:37 |
mircea_popescu |
if i feel so inclined one morning. |
| 13:38 |
BigBitz |
Well; you can't. |
| 13:38 |
mircea_popescu |
zuckerberg does not. which is why i'm a player and zuckerberg for all the press, is not. |
| 13:38 |
mircea_popescu |
yes, actually i can. |
| 13:38 |
BigBitz |
noone is stupid enough to pay $1Bn though :) |
| 13:38 |
mircea_popescu |
and whether i do or not is a matter of my own private and personal arbitrariety and nothing else. |
| 13:38 |
BigBitz |
arbitrary numbers are arbitary. |
| 13:38 |
mircea_popescu |
in the sense someone is stupid enough to pay 100bn for fb and 20k btc for eth... |
| 13:39 |
BigBitz |
Eth... the latest scam coin. |
| 13:39 |
BigBitz |
:| |
| 13:39 |
mircea_popescu |
i have little worry about the actual market value of things actually on the actual market. |
| 13:39 |
BigBitz |
It's scary what people throw money at... |
| 13:39 |
asciilifeform |
eth is astounding - proves that 2010 never ended |
| 13:39 |
mircea_popescu |
seems your entire argument line just ate itself. |
| 13:39 |
asciilifeform |
and who knows when will end |
| 13:39 |
BigBitz |
mircea_popescu? How so. |
| 13:39 |
* |
asciilifeform can't help but suspect a 'laundry' for stolen/usg-snarfed/etc coin |
| 13:39 |
mircea_popescu |
what, ima be trapped in meta jail now cause you're bored ? log's there. |
| 13:40 |
BigBitz |
The point was Zuckerberg has lots of cash/resources. If he was inclined to have lots of BTC I'm sure he would. |
| 13:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20150 @ 0.0009142 = 18.4211 BTC [+] |
| 13:40 |
mircea_popescu |
the point is that no, he does not have any. |
| 13:40 |
mircea_popescu |
he has lots of resources as long as he uses them a certain way |
| 13:40 |
BigBitz |
I forgot you and him were buddies. |
| 13:40 |
mircea_popescu |
and this way is not included there. |
| 13:40 |
BigBitz |
you know him /that/ well. |
| 13:40 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't need to be buddies with a cockroach to know why it can't fly. |
| 13:41 |
BigBitz |
but the American cockroach does fly. |
| 13:41 |
asciilifeform |
;;google joseph nacchio |
| 13:41 |
gribble |
Joseph Nacchio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Nacchio>; Former qwest ceo joseph nacchio: tales from a white-collar prison ...: <http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303983904579093173797712780>; Former Qwest CEO Joe Nacchio Tells Story of Fight Against NSA ...: <http://www.foxbusiness.com/business-leaders/2014/03/27 (1 more message) |
| 13:41 |
mircea_popescu |
not this one. |
| 13:47 |
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| 13:49 |
fluffypony |
near as I can ascertain |
| 13:49 |
fluffypony |
$600 million worth of mining hardware would not work |
| 13:49 |
fluffypony |
it would bump difficulty up to over 100 billion |
| 13:49 |
asciilifeform |
fluffypony: try 600 million sans electric bill |
| 13:50 |
asciilifeform |
or, alternatively, usurpation of existing capacity |
| 13:50 |
fluffypony |
ok - so assuming you userp all existing capacity |
| 13:50 |
fluffypony |
it still bumps diff to over 81 billion |
| 13:50 |
fluffypony |
at 0 electricity cost |
| 13:51 |
fluffypony |
assuming the usual profitability fall-off in mining |
| 13:51 |
fluffypony |
you'd take a year to break even |
| 13:52 |
asciilifeform |
which fall-off? block reward halving ? |
| 13:52 |
fluffypony |
no, increasing difficulty |
| 13:52 |
fluffypony |
although I suppose you'd have little in the way of competition at that juncture |
| 13:53 |
fluffypony |
still, with no fall-off, complete replacement of existing hashing power, and no electricity, you're still on break-even after 263 days |
| 13:53 |
fluffypony |
pretty sure if that happened they'd move the PoW to SHA3 :-P |
| 13:54 |
asciilifeform |
who is 'they' ? |
| 13:54 |
fluffypony |
His Royal Gavinness |
| 13:54 |
fluffypony |
He Who Is Weighted 40 for Gitian Signing |
| 13:55 |
asciilifeform |
fluffypony: if tonight he checks in hardcoded root pw for usg, will you install new ver.? |
| 13:56 |
mike_c |
we already know what happens when govt starts mining. difficulty bumps to 19B. |
| 13:56 |
fluffypony |
a change in PoW because the mining network is being replaced by a single competitor is a completely different value proposition |
| 13:57 |
fluffypony |
I'm confident we'd see acceptance of that change across the board in such an event |
| 13:57 |
asciilifeform |
'number one rule' of dominating mining - don't be an obvious idiot |
| 13:57 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 210 @ 0.00248687 = 0.5222 BTC [-] {5} |
| 13:57 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2635561 = 0.5271 BTC [-] |
| 13:57 |
asciilifeform |
(emphasis on 'obvious') |
| 13:57 |
fluffypony |
sure |
| 13:57 |
fluffypony |
either way, it's all hypothetical |
| 13:58 |
fluffypony |
I just don't think that this is entirely plausible through mining or market buys |
| 13:58 |
* |
asciilifeform knows no hard facts whatsoever about ownership distribution of existing mining hardware, and you - for any value of 'you' - don't either. |
| 13:58 |
mike_c |
how so? the possibilites aren't limitless |
| 13:59 |
fluffypony |
sure, but there are known mining entities |
| 13:59 |
fluffypony |
that get interviewed and are outspoken and own relatively huge mining farms |
| 13:59 |
mircea_popescu |
<fluffypony> $600 million worth of mining hardware would not work << kinda th point. |
| 13:59 |
fluffypony |
if they felt their hashrate was being unatturally displaced they would say something |
| 13:59 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: yes - I'm backing what you said up |
| 13:59 |
asciilifeform |
using methods known to even the lowliest spammer, you can make an arbitrarily large hash farm look like an arbitrarily large number of proportionately-smaller ones |
| 13:59 |
fluffypony |
I had to run the numbers myself to confirm my gut feeling |
| 13:59 |
asciilifeform |
distributed however you like around the globe |
| 14:00 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony yes, im agreeing with your backing :D |
| 14:00 |
fluffypony |
lol |
| 14:00 |
mircea_popescu |
<asciilifeform> 'number one rule' of dominating mining - don't be an obvious idiot << problem is the obvious symbol is only defined in the core dump |
| 14:03 |
asciilifeform |
in other news... |
| 14:03 |
asciilifeform |
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140806/07155928127/tektronix-uses-dmca-notice-to-try-to-stop-oscilliscope-hacking.shtml |
| 14:03 |
assbot |
Tektronix Uses DMCA Notice To Try To Stop Oscilloscope Hacking | Techdirt |
| 14:03 |
chetty |
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101884093 |
| 14:03 |
assbot |
Argentina sues US at Int'l Court of Justice over its sovereign debt |
| 14:04 |
mircea_popescu |
lalala |
| 14:09 |
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Bet placed: 1.09 BTC for Yes on "Tesla stock to close at over $250 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/955/ Odds: 90(Y):10(N) by coin, 89(Y):11(N) by weight. Total bet: 19.10454688 BTC. Current weight: 74,085. |
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| 14:30 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 797 @ 0.00196485 = 1.566 BTC [+] |
| 14:34 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 917 @ 0.0019648 = 1.8017 BTC [-] |
| 14:41 |
decimation |
re: google < I've heard from folks who work there that it has already become a sad bureaucracy |
| 14:42 |
decimation |
it's amusing to watch the half-life of a silly-con valley company - only takes ten years to go from young turks to us dept. of search engine |
| 14:44 |
thickasthieves |
so nasdaq has begun hyping COIN I see |
| 14:45 |
thickasthieves |
maybe it has preliminary approval |
| 14:46 |
decimation |
http://lubbockonline.com/interact/blog-post/bert-knabe/2010-12-22/battle-our-data-holiday-allegory#.U-PJXdMhfM0 |
| 14:46 |
FabianB |
what's COIN? |
| 14:46 |
decimation |
"Warrants become a lot easier to serve when it's only one or two mega-social sites involved rather than a multitude of host providers and network companies. (Conspiracy theorists are already taking note of that same Person of the Year article's mention of FBI Director Robert Mueller just dropping by to say hello to Zuckerberg in the midst of a company meeting.)" |
| 14:46 |
decimation |
facebook << us dept of 'social media' |
| 14:48 |
decimation |
thickasthieves is that the winklevii fund? |
| 14:48 |
decimation |
okay yeah it is http://www.forexminute.com/bitcoin-news/winklevoss-bitcoin-trust-etf-major-innovation-quickly-growing-etf-market-says-nasdaq-executive-40949 |
| 14:48 |
assbot |
Winklevoss Bitcoin Trust ETF is major innovation in the quickly growing ETF market Says NASDAQ Executive | Forex Minute - Financial News | Stock Market | Trading Commodities | Binary Options Updates - Forex Minute Portal |
| 14:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45700 @ 0.0009124 = 41.6967 BTC [-] |
| 14:58 |
thickasthieves |
that article is a robot or somrthing |
| 14:58 |
thickasthieves |
all kindsa dropped words |
| 15:07 |
decimation |
yeah sorry for the search engine spam, here's a better link: http://www.etf.com/sections/features/22835-nasdaqs-lavalle-bitcoin-etf-a-turning-point.html |
| 15:07 |
assbot |
Nasdaqs LaValle: Bitcoin ETF A Turning Point | ETF.com |
| 15:08 |
decimation |
the question is: if this isn't a scam, where are they going to trade bitcoin? |
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| 15:08 |
decimation |
that seems to be a pretty important detail |
| 15:14 |
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Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin over $1000 before September" http://bitbet.us/bet/866/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 25(Y):75(N) by weight. Total bet: 52.93365572 BTC. Current weight: 20,617. |
| 15:19 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/aug/07/hacker-bitcoin-mining-pool-internet-service-providers-canada-dell |
| 15:19 |
assbot |
Hacker makes $84k hijacking Bitcoin mining pool | Technology | theguardian.com |
| 15:29 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.00395048 = 0.7901 BTC [+] {4} |
| 15:29 |
kakobrekla |
As many as 8,000 Dogecoins, equivalent to $1.42, were lost as a result of the hack. |
| 15:29 |
kakobrekla |
prolly costs more to store this line in the logs. |
| 15:29 |
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Bet placed: 3 BTC for Yes on "Tesla stock to close at over $250 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/955/ Odds: 91(Y):9(N) by coin, 90(Y):10(N) by weight. Total bet: 22.10454688 BTC. Current weight: 74,054. |
| 15:29 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: seems like normal coin was involved as well. |
| 15:30 |
kakobrekla |
yeah, just thought it was funny a buck of doge gets a mention. |
| 15:30 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: presumably the artist didn't know what he'd find (alts, etc) and took the trouble to write a generic hijacker. |
| 15:32 |
asciilifeform |
incidentally, this is another good way to convert an ocean of fiat to btc. |
| 15:32 |
asciilifeform |
(since fiat is, well, fiat - doesn't matter so much if it isn't efficient...) |
| 15:37 |
asciilifeform |
the cheapest way to convert fiat to btc probably remains: hire a buterin, orchestrate media mouthpieces, watch the coin roll in. |
| 15:37 |
kakobrekla |
is the cobol source of the i presume ex swedish tax legislation online anywhere |
| 15:37 |
mod6 |
<+kakobrekla> prolly costs more to store this line in the logs. << lol |
| 15:38 |
decimation |
it will be interesting to see what happens to the bitcoin price when the COIN ETF turns on |
| 15:41 |
decimation |
poor exploit << sounds like a router hack |
| 15:41 |
decimation |
s/poor/pool |
| 15:43 |
FabianB |
;;cal 84000 / 600.0 |
| 15:43 |
gribble |
Error: "cal" is not a valid command. |
| 15:43 |
decimation |
asciilifeform it seems to me that a router is exactly the kind of device that 'wants' to be a dataflow architechture, |
| 15:43 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: everything 'wants' to be dataflow arch. |
| 15:44 |
asciilifeform |
'when two objects of unknown types encounter one another, does the Universe throw an exception ?' |
| 15:44 |
decimation |
yet cisco et.al. make obscure turdware and charge you to learn how to use it |
| 15:44 |
decimation |
lol that's a good quote |
| 15:44 |
FabianB |
;;calk 84000 / 600.0 |
| 15:44 |
gribble |
Error: "calk" is not a valid command. |
| 15:44 |
FabianB |
;;calkc 84000 / 600.0 |
| 15:44 |
gribble |
Error: "calkc" is not a valid command. |
| 15:45 |
kakobrekla |
but the unknowness is a presumption |
| 15:50 |
decimation |
http://www.virgin.com/entrepreneur/startup-cities-can-entrepreneurship-save-politics |
| 15:50 |
assbot |
Startup Cities: Can entrepreneurship save politics? - Virgin.com |
| 15:51 |
decimation |
"I met one trashpicker named Miriam who made her livelihood with her teenage daughter by selling plastic scraps for a dollar or two a day. She was telling me her story: the grinding poverty, the constant threat of extortion and murder by organized crime, the shooting of her husband, the sexual assaults on her daughter. In the middle of this heartbreaking story, her phone rings and she pulls out a nice smart phone, texts someone, and |
| 15:51 |
decimation |
turns back to me like nothing happened. Miriam faces these ancient human problems of violence and poverty, yet she owns a futuristic technology like a smartphone. This haunted me for months." |
| 15:57 |
xanthyos |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_BjSNX021c |
| 15:57 |
assbot |
four black painters - YouTube |
| 15:57 |
|
Bet placed: 1.69 BTC for Yes on "Tesla stock to close at over $250 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/955/ Odds: 92(Y):8(N) by coin, 91(Y):9(N) by weight. Total bet: 23.79454688 BTC. Current weight: 74,044. |
| 16:04 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 343 @ 0.01 = 3.43 BTC [-] |
| 16:06 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 412 @ 0.0018896 = 0.7785 BTC [-] {6} |
| 16:07 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 141 @ 0.01488 = 2.0981 BTC [+] |
| 16:12 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00091225 = 19.9783 BTC [-] {3} |
| 16:21 |
ben_vulpes |
everyone's getting 18% returns in the fiat market, and looking at me like the crazy one when i shake my head at the ridiculousness of it all. |
| 16:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24947 @ 0.00091213 = 22.7549 BTC [-] |
| 16:22 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 57 @ 0.01488 = 0.8482 BTC [+] |
| 16:23 |
pankkake |
http://www.coindesk.com/avalancha-online-store-argentina-bitcoin/ |
| 16:23 |
assbot |
Avalancha Opens Online Store to Argentina's Bitcoin Shoppers |
| 16:23 |
pankkake |
https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/08/the_us_intellig.html |
| 16:23 |
assbot |
Schneier on Security: The US Intelligence Community has a Third Leaker |
| 16:27 |
mike_c |
;;calc (194000 / [ticker --last]) - 314.6 |
| 16:27 |
gribble |
14.213559322 |
| 16:41 |
thickasthieves |
TSLA closed above $250 |
| 16:50 |
mircea_popescu |
<decimation> turns back to me like nothing happened. Miriam faces these ancient human problems of violence and poverty, yet she owns a futuristic technology like a smartphone. This haunted me for months." <<< all this meaningless bs. was the daughter hawt is all i want to know. |
| 16:52 |
FabianB |
$vwap s.mpoe |
| 16:52 |
empyex |
FabianB: S.MPOE 1 day: average: 0.00091986 high: 0.00094217 low: 0.00091213 volume: 642781 btc: 591.26873708 7 day: average: 0.00086209 high: 0.00094217 low: 0.00080628 volume: 3327774 btc: 2868.85610629 30 day: average: 0.00082003 high: 0.00094217 low: 0.00074501 volume: 9532989 btc: 7817.31985028 |
| 16:52 |
FabianB |
$vwap s.nsa |
| 16:52 |
empyex |
FabianB: S.NSA 1 day: average: 0.000101 high: 0.000101 low: 0.000101 volume: 1 btc: 0.000101 7 day: average: 0.000101 high: 0.000101 low: 0.000101 volume: 1 btc: 0.000101 30 day: average: 0.000101 high: 0.000101 low: 0.000101 volume: 3 btc: 0.000303 |
| 16:53 |
FabianB |
$vwap s.mg |
| 16:53 |
empyex |
FabianB: S.MG 1 day: average: 0.000091 high: 0.000091 low: 0.000091 volume: 1 btc: 0.000091 7 day: average: 0.000091 high: 0.000091 low: 0.000091 volume: 1 btc: 0.000091 30 day: average: 0.000091 high: 0.000091 low: 0.000091 volume: 3 btc: 0.000273 |
| 16:55 |
mircea_popescu |
pankkake third obvious one, anyway. |
| 16:57 |
mike_c |
mircea, you sweating yet? warren is still winning. |
| 16:57 |
thickasthieves |
lol |
| |
~ 29 minutes ~ |
| 17:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26050 @ 0.00091135 = 23.7407 BTC [-] {2} |
| 17:39 |
rithm |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGILISYllug |
| 17:39 |
assbot |
80 miles per hour question - YouTube |
| 17:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32750 @ 0.00091077 = 29.8277 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 28 minutes ~ |
| 18:14 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c what's a k to me. |
| 18:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00091242 = 3.376 BTC [+] |
| 18:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41880 @ 0.00091199 = 38.1941 BTC [-] {2} |
| 18:27 |
mircea_popescu |
and in other news, http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/07/29/emmag-31797/images/full/16.jpg |
| 18:27 |
TheNewDeal |
nice |
| 18:27 |
TheNewDeal |
was that thermo picture really a bra? |
| 18:28 |
mircea_popescu |
yup |
| 18:29 |
mike_c |
TheNewDeal: weren't you the one who liked late easy money bets on bitbet? you should check out the current game of the week on WoL. |
| 18:29 |
mike_c |
definitely some late game opportunities brewing. |
| 18:30 |
TheNewDeal |
i have no atc |
| 18:30 |
mike_c |
i meant the btc game |
| 18:30 |
TheNewDeal |
i didnt know yall supported that yet |
| 18:30 |
mike_c |
indeed. full featured. |
| 18:31 |
TheNewDeal |
game of the week you say? |
| 18:31 |
* |
mircea_popescu looks |
| 18:31 |
mike_c |
yeah. https://btc.waroflife.com/gow/22/ |
| 18:31 |
assbot |
Game 22 - Death 9300 Life 700 Year 930 - War of Life |
| 18:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00091077 = 15.4376 BTC [-] |
| 18:32 |
mircea_popescu |
0.800000000.4911-0.7595 ouch |
| 18:32 |
TheNewDeal |
lol |
| 18:33 |
TheNewDeal |
that's what one gets for betting on life |
| 18:34 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c here's something i dont get |
| 18:34 |
mircea_popescu |
57010.1084-0.7710 |
| 18:34 |
mircea_popescu |
so the 1 buying at .1 lost 77%, whereas the .8 buying at 49 lost 90% |
| 18:34 |
mircea_popescu |
shouldn't the difference between .1 and .5 count for more than .23 to .1 ? |
| 18:35 |
mike_c |
absolutely, and it would/will. |
| 18:35 |
mircea_popescu |
? |
| 18:35 |
mike_c |
the thing is, there is currently a bunch of free money on the table. |
| 18:35 |
mircea_popescu |
so ? |
| 18:36 |
mircea_popescu |
"shouldn't the difference between .1 and .5 count for more than .23 to .1 in any and all circumstances" ? i guess |
| 18:36 |
mike_c |
so when it gets picked up it will increase the worth of life shares, and the guy who bought at .1 won't be so hurt. |
| 18:36 |
mircea_popescu |
but that's really besides the point |
| 18:36 |
mike_c |
;;calc 0.7595 / 0.8 |
| 18:36 |
gribble |
0.949375 |
| 18:36 |
mike_c |
;;calc 0.77 / 1 |
| 18:36 |
gribble |
0.77 |
| 18:37 |
mircea_popescu |
oh i see |
| 18:37 |
mircea_popescu |
;;calc (.23 / .0507) |
| 18:37 |
gribble |
4.53648915187 |
| 18:37 |
mircea_popescu |
same proportion roughly huh. |
| 18:37 |
mircea_popescu |
nm, rounding was playing a number on me. |
| 18:38 |
TheNewDeal |
speaking of free money, tesla made me some good money today |
| 18:38 |
mircea_popescu |
but was it free. |
| 18:38 |
TheNewDeal |
yes? |
| 18:39 |
mircea_popescu |
cool then |
| 18:40 |
TheNewDeal |
well technically the stock could have dropped 1.50 in the last hour, so there was *some* risk |
| 18:40 |
mircea_popescu |
stocks peak all the time. |
| 18:41 |
mike_c |
no way, stocks can't peak in bezzle world. |
| 18:41 |
TheNewDeal |
yes indeed, it peaked at 256 something earlier in the day |
| |
~ 26 minutes ~ |
| 19:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.00091049 = 23.9459 BTC [-] {2} |
| 19:10 |
TheNewDeal |
mike_c, which side am i supposed to buy shares upon? |
| 19:11 |
mike_c |
death. you know, if you think it's a good idea. |
| 19:21 |
mircea_popescu |
there should be a new constitutional amendment. "no one may run for elected office, be it presidential, as member of congress or senate or any other, who can not recite the entirety of all laws, regulations etc" |
| 19:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00091227 = 11.5858 BTC [+] |
| 19:36 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30483 @ 0.00091066 = 27.7596 BTC [-] {2} |
| 19:48 |
asciilifeform |
http://cryptome.org/2014/08/nctc-dti-the-intercept.pdf << 'terrorist identities datamart environment' >> parody horizon ? |
| |
~ 25 minutes ~ |
| 20:14 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/08/07/this-is-the-bitcoin-empire-this-is-the-new-yasa/ |
| 20:19 |
kakobrekla |
here is a random pic http://shrani.si/f/3A/4W/1Dwdwmwt/unnamed.jpg |
| 20:20 |
kakobrekla |
it looks nicer in rl though. |
| 20:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9021 @ 0.00091043 = 8.213 BTC [-] |
| 20:24 |
mike_c |
cool, what's the screen from? |
| 20:25 |
mike_c |
you should make the text run vertically with lines in columns instead of rows. then do your best matrix impression. |
| 20:26 |
kakobrekla |
not what but where. china. |
| 20:26 |
kakobrekla |
it has a built in matrix thingy, if you misaddress the pointer to the screen line it will automatrix. |
| 20:26 |
mike_c |
heh |
| 20:34 |
kakobrekla |
the purpose of this gadget is not irc. what is it? not tellin. do what i want. |
| 20:34 |
lobbes |
<mircea_popescu> there should be a new constitutional amendment. "no one may run for elected office, be it presidential, as member of congress or senate or any other, who can not recite the entirety of all laws, regulations etc" << Does that include all migratory bird treaties? |
| 20:35 |
mike_c |
lobbes: or.. there shouldn't be migratory bird treaties. it's like flat tax. simple, yet insufficient. |
| 20:38 |
lobbes |
yeah, it is pretty ridiculous |
| 20:45 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.0009142 = 8.8677 BTC [+] |
| 20:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7768 @ 0.00091019 = 7.0704 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 20 minutes ~ |
| 21:19 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: i've one quite like this. |
| 21:20 |
kakobrekla |
at this point, i would be surprised if you didnt! |
| 21:21 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: unsurprisingly, i've an embarrassingly large collection of these |
| 21:21 |
kakobrekla |
:D |
| 21:22 |
asciilifeform |
and is that a beheaded model m ? |
| 21:22 |
kakobrekla |
so called 'space saver' |
| 21:22 |
asciilifeform |
aha guessed as much. |
| 21:23 |
* |
asciilifeform never understood the need to save 'space' by abolishing numbers pad - unless living in a ship, manned capsule of some other variety |
| 21:23 |
kakobrekla |
i use a mouse. |
| 21:23 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 253 @ 0.00407389 = 1.0307 BTC [+] {5} |
| 21:24 |
asciilifeform |
for numbers ?! |
| 21:24 |
kakobrekla |
lol no, but numpad get in the way and im not much into numerical data entry. |
| 21:25 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: lathe coordinates ? |
| 21:25 |
kakobrekla |
not in a long time. |
| 21:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24317 @ 0.00091545 = 22.261 BTC [+] {3} |
| 21:27 |
* |
asciilifeform recently bought a 'proper' lathe - no coordinates, just cranks... |
| |
↖ |
| 21:27 |
kakobrekla |
the only thing i miss is that far right enter for some reason but i have a programmable hw ps2 to usb converter and remaped keys / macros |
| 21:28 |
* |
asciilifeform has pretty much the entire numpad programmed as emacs knobs of one kind or another |
| 21:28 |
kakobrekla |
mhm |
| 21:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00091599 = 6.8699 BTC [+] |
| 21:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4789 @ 0.00091019 = 4.3589 BTC [-] |
| 21:50 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: I have found the extra function keys on my unicomp "model m like" keyboard to be extremely useful for emacs |
| 21:51 |
kakobrekla |
fyi you can remap any key to act as a layer switch so have n of different full layouts |
| 21:52 |
decimation |
re: keyboards in space capsules: spacex went with a touchscreen with "emergency keys" > http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/05/spacex-shows-off-dragon-v2-its-brand-new-manned-space-capsule/#image-7 |
| 21:52 |
assbot |
SpaceX shows off Dragon V2, its brand new manned space capsule | Ars Technica |
| 21:52 |
decimation |
kakbrekla: do you mean something beyond the usual ctrl-meta combinations? |
| 21:52 |
kakobrekla |
yea |
| 21:54 |
kakobrekla |
theres a number of ways to achieve that, currently im using https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard |
| 21:54 |
assbot |
tmk/tmk_keyboard GitHub |
| 21:58 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00090935 = 11.3669 BTC [-] |
| 22:01 |
kakobrekla |
you can do most if not all of those tricks in os instead but ps2 is becoming a rarity anyway. |
| 22:02 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: what i thought you had: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=29483.0 |
| 22:02 |
assbot |
Happy Buckling Keyboard |
| 22:03 |
kakobrekla |
it is such http://www.clickykeyboard.com/2012/dec04/001.jpg |
| 22:04 |
kakobrekla |
restored, bolt modded. |
| 22:04 |
asciilifeform |
bolt? |
| 22:04 |
decimation |
huh do they have a unicomp controller gizmo? I assume it's a clone of the model m with usb gadget |
| 22:04 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00090834 = 5.0867 BTC [-] |
| 22:04 |
kakobrekla |
well you need to do that if you take it apart and put it together ... or what |
| 22:04 |
kakobrekla |
http://imgur.com/a/QroSL |
| 22:04 |
assbot |
Nut Bolt Mod for IBM Model M - Imgur |
| 22:06 |
kakobrekla |
decimation who has what? |
| 22:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00090834 = 13.1709 BTC [-] |
| 22:07 |
* |
asciilifeform wants a stainless steel 'model m', will probably end up making it personally at some point |
| 22:08 |
decimation |
replacement firmware for the unicomp keyboard: http://pckeyboard.com/page/category/SpacesaverM |
| 22:08 |
assbot |
Unicomp, Inc.: Spacesaver M / Mac OS X |
| 22:08 |
kakobrekla |
what is it that you want to achieve? |
| 22:09 |
decimation |
so this layer hack is a function of the firmware on the keyboard? |
| 22:10 |
kakobrekla |
my setup takes in ps2 signal, but you can hook it up directly to the keyboard matrix |
| 22:11 |
decimation |
ah I see, so it's hardware "matrix switch"? |
| 22:11 |
kakobrekla |
you can hook it up to something like https://www.pjrc.com/teensy/ |
| 22:11 |
assbot |
Teensy USB Development Board |
| 22:15 |
kakobrekla |
decimation scroll down that github page it should be clear |
| 22:20 |
asciilifeform |
'What bothers me is that you are saying what the agency wants us to believe -- they used to be great, but these days they have trouble reading the newspaper, the Internet is too complicated for them, there is so much traffic and they can't find what they want. It may be true, but it is what they have been 'saying' for years. It's convenient for N.S.A. to have its targets believe it is in trouble.' |
| 22:21 |
asciilifeform |
(attributed to... Whitfield Diffie. circa 1999. http://cryptome.org/nsa-hersh.htm) |
| 22:21 |
asciilifeform |
(linked piece, otherwise is tedious crud) |
| 22:23 |
decimation |
asciilifeform it seems that the meta-nsa doesn't exist in reality |
| 22:24 |
decimation |
Hayden emphasized that the personnel problems are far less significant than the technological ones: "The issue is not people but external changes. For the N.S.A., technology is a two-edged sword. If technology in the outside world races away from us -- at breakneck speed -- our mission is more difficult. It can be our enemy." |
| 22:24 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2014#772890 |
| 22:24 |
assbot |
#bitcoin-assets log |
| 22:25 |
decimation |
yeah I think you are probably right |
| 22:25 |
decimation |
at any rate it's not clear to me that clowns like Hayden or Alexander would even recognize skills if they saw them |
| 22:26 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: no actual need for this |
| 22:26 |
asciilifeform |
the real, long-term decisions are made at the level below political appointee |
| 22:26 |
asciilifeform |
(that is, by folks who have lifetime careers in the service) |
| 22:27 |
decimation |
if such people exist, they are probably pretty sad these days, given the point made a few weeks ago about how they would have to live as paupers |
| 22:28 |
asciilifeform |
paupers? you ever meet u.s. civil service folks? |
| 22:28 |
decimation |
well, it depends where they are on the pay scale I guess |
| 22:28 |
asciilifeform |
they aren't rich, in the customary sense (they must work, and are expected to follow a variety of curious social rituals, including living in very particular places) - but not paupers. |
| 22:30 |
decimation |
http://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/salaries-wages/2012/general-schedule/washington-baltimore-northern-virginia-dc-md-va-wv-pa-annual-rates-by-grade-and-step/ |
| 22:30 |
assbot |
Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-MD-VA-WV-PA - Annual Rates by Grade and Step |
| 22:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11919 @ 0.00090834 = 10.8265 BTC [-] |
| 22:31 |
decimation |
I wonder how many young technical folks joining the civil service are offered more than $60k? |
| 22:31 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: nsa, cia, nga - not subject to the traditional 'gs' ranks system |
| 22:31 |
asciilifeform |
they have their own |
| 22:32 |
asciilifeform |
what it is - i've no idea, but it was supposedly leaked not long ago; if you care, find it |
| 22:32 |
peterl |
who sells just one share of s.mg and s.nsa? |
| 22:33 |
decimation |
https://www.nsa.gov/psp/applyonline/EMPLOYEE/HRMS/c/HRS_HRAM.HRS_CE.GBL?Page=HRS_CE_JOB_DTL&Action=A&JobOpeningId=1049480&SiteId=1&PostingSeq=1 |
| 22:34 |
decimation |
" Salary is commensurate with education and experience. Salary range: $52,146 to $116,90" |
| 22:34 |
asciilifeform |
no longer seekrit, apparently. |
| 22:34 |
* |
asciilifeform actually applied for that same job once |
| 22:35 |
decimation |
Come live in Maryland, pay $500k for house with schools, get paid $80k per year - for your country |
| 22:37 |
decimation |
this goes back to Mircea's point - USG "wants" things, but it can't really afford them - it's running on the "fumes" of past memories |
| 22:40 |
kakobrekla |
peterl: jimmothy |
| 22:40 |
asciilifeform |
;;google senior executive service pay |
| 22:40 |
gribble |
Senior Executive Service Compensation - Office of Personnel ...: <http://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/senior-executive-service/compensation/>; Senior Executive Service - Office of Personnel Management: <http://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/senior-executive-service/>; Executive Senior Level - Office of Personnel Management: <http://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay- (1 more message) |
| 22:41 |
asciilifeform |
there's about 10,000 of them. |
| 22:41 |
peterl |
kakobrekla: You think he has enough money to afford that much? |
| 22:42 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/senior-executive-service/facts-figures/#url=Annual-Data-Reports |
| 22:42 |
assbot |
Facts & Figures |
| 22:42 |
asciilifeform |
^ interestingly, no data post-2010. |
| 22:42 |
kakobrekla |
peterl i imagine faucets still paying out |
| 22:42 |
asciilifeform |
'ses' are the people who actually run usg. |
| 22:43 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: http://www.nsa.gov/careers/FAQs/index.shtml Below are entry-level salaries (including locality pay) for several different skill fields. (Entry-level is defined as having a Bachelor's Degree or equivalent work experience.) Language Analysis & Intelligence Analysis $42,209 Computer Science $55,293 * Mathematics $51,894 * Computer/Electrical Engineering $56,375* |
| 22:43 |
assbot |
Frequently Asked Questions about the National Security Agency (NSA) |
| 22:51 |
mike_c |
peterl: it looked like fabian was testing mpex tools. |
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~ 17 minutes ~ |
| 23:08 |
decimation |
ah the model M terminal keyboard to usb hack is cool |
| 23:09 |
decimation |
I still don't understand why serial terminals went out of style, seems like the perfect solution to point of sale units, etc |
| 23:09 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: because microshit decreed it |
| 23:09 |
asciilifeform |
can't run winblows on a serial term. |
| 23:16 |
decimation |
that's pretty much the equivalent of breaking windows, replacing them with more expensive (yet worse) windows (heh), and counting the whole project as a net positive GDP |
| 23:17 |
BingoBoingo |
;;bc,stats |
| 23:17 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 314484 | Current Difficulty: 1.8736441558310238E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 314495 | Next Difficulty In: 11 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 hour, 39 minutes, and 37 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 19724887807.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 5.27553 |
| 23:18 |
BingoBoingo |
%d |
| 23:18 |
atcbot |
[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 687182.56 Est. Next Diff: 415114.30 in 66 blocks (#42336) Est. % Change: -39.59 |
| 23:19 |
decimation |
this fellow sells already modded model m F1 http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-Model-M-F1-122-Key-Vintage-Terminal-Keyboard-Cleaned-Bolt-mod-USB-converted-/331283161316?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item4d2203e0e4 |
| 23:19 |
assbot |
IBM Model M F1 122 Key Vintage Terminal Keyboard Cleaned Bolt Mod USB Converted | eBay |
| 23:20 |
decimation |
probably worth the price if you are in a hurry |
| 23:20 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: these, if i recall, suck |
| 23:20 |
asciilifeform |
the keys don't send 'break' codes |
| 23:20 |
asciilifeform |
i have a (stock) 122, gathering dust |
| 23:20 |
decimation |
so this means the controller must poll? |
| 23:21 |
asciilifeform |
'soarer's' converter is, if i recall, closed-source. |
| 23:21 |
asciilifeform |
this could mean - anything... |
| 23:21 |
decimation |
ah, yeah that sucks |
| 23:21 |
* |
asciilifeform has this keyboard and really wants to turn it into a useful thing |
| 23:22 |
asciilifeform |
but that means replacing all the silicon with something. and retrofitting leds. |
| 23:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00090945 = 9.8675 BTC [+] {2} |
| 23:28 |
BingoBoingo |
decimation: it will be interesting to see what happens to the bitcoin price when the COIN ETF turns on << "Paper" BTC sell |
| 23:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35231 @ 0.00090819 = 31.9964 BTC [-] {3} |
| 23:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34781 @ 0.00090319 = 31.4139 BTC [-] {2} |
| 23:59 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Shakespeare |