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00:00 mircea_popescu so you make a commitment to a house that exceeds the commitment you make to the woman in question.
00:00 decimation The thing that the '10 year rule' fails to capture is the opportunity cost of leaving for better opportunities elsewhere, whatever that may be
00:00 mircea_popescu seems a bad equity play.
00:00 The20YearIRCloud And that varies by case decimation
00:00 mircea_popescu decimation no because zek can't leave anyway!
00:00 The20YearIRCloud then what assets do you suggest that you can live in?
00:00 decimation There's no doubt a man needs shelter
00:00 mircea_popescu the fact that i can live in it is about as much a consideration as the notion i could fuck my bonds.
00:01 decimation THe question: does he want to live in his savings account/lotto ticket?
00:01 mircea_popescu sure, i could. what diff does that make! i'll just buy the living separately from investment
00:01 The20YearIRCloud If real estate wasn't profitable, few would be in it
00:01 mircea_popescu few are.
00:01 mircea_popescu and besides, bitcoin is profitable and few are in it
00:01 The20YearIRCloud 70% of americans?
00:01 mircea_popescu the wisdom of the crowd doesn't go too far.
00:01 decimation The20YearIRCloud: many real estate agents don't make jack shit, only the good ones make $$$
00:01 The20YearIRCloud That's the case with virtually any industry that's on comission
00:02 decimation also the market is extremely distorted by USG, which is run by real estate agents and lawyers, who all want to get their piece of the pie
00:02 mircea_popescu strippers make $$$ kinda ll the way to the middle.
00:02 The20YearIRCloud The total spending of the us realestate sector for lobbyists vs the others is pretty slim
00:02 mircea_popescu or at least made, da fuck knows what's it like there anymore.
00:03 The20YearIRCloud and even then, real estate is local based on state law/local laws, the laws I encounter here in ohio are completely different than CA or NY
00:03 The20YearIRCloud And, when you look back on real estate prices in the US from 1880-1920, it still was a pretty stable pricing trend
00:04 The20YearIRCloud and back then the USG had very, very little involvement in the market
00:04 decimation that might be true, but it ain't 1900 anymore
00:04 mircea_popescu not sure how far i'd trust that trend, but anyway.
00:05 The20YearIRCloud Well, since data was collected, it shows itself to be a relatively good investment (not the best mind you) but one that's pretty decenty
00:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00075104 = 4.0556 BTC [+]
00:08 The20YearIRCloud But , if you're in the mindset that everything is going to collapse imminently, then there's few good investments outside of raw land, weapons and food
00:09 decimation The20YearIRCloud: how would you plan to keep the 'raw land' if you don't have an army to help you?
00:09 The20YearIRCloud Why do you assume I don't have one, nor one could be easily armed/developed?
00:10 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud that's not the mindset. merely that owning one house is more hassle than its worth
00:10 mircea_popescu if you're going to be into real estate, own multiple.
00:10 mircea_popescu if you can't be bothered to own multiple, rent.
00:10 mircea_popescu the magical "just one house" position is fiction, nonsensical etc.
00:11 The20YearIRCloud And from what i've personally seen, working with people who buy, own ,maintain , manage, get divorced, declare bankrupcy, have their house burnt down, find radon/asbestos/lead paint, that overall real estate isn't a bad investment for your common guy
00:11 mircea_popescu a case of "zero, infinity. no one."
00:11 mircea_popescu well, maybe. i dun see it, but then again, each his own castl.e
00:12 The20YearIRCloud granted my data is from a few hundred homeowners in central Ohio, with a few out of state people as well
00:12 mircea_popescu let's work this another angle.
00:12 mircea_popescu suppose you were a billionaire, and owned a real estate company that owned about ten thousand units on average in each state.
00:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33715 @ 0.00074919 = 25.2589 BTC [-] {2}
00:13 mircea_popescu now, would you buy your own house or just use one your company already owns ?
00:13 The20YearIRCloud prolly buy my own
00:13 mircea_popescu well that's that, you've got an aesthetic preference :)
00:14 The20YearIRCloud The guys i know who are in similar positions have done the same
00:14 mircea_popescu so suppose you had that army from ten lines back.
00:14 mircea_popescu would you use it to defend your house or get a different guard for it ?
00:14 decimation The20YearIRCloud: it seems that this could be a 'marketing opportunity' for a real estate baron
00:15 The20YearIRCloud depends on the value of the resources I have ,defendability, ect
00:15 The20YearIRCloud Which specific thing decimation ?
00:15 The20YearIRCloud -
00:15 decimation 'invest in my company, look at my own personal success story, etc'
00:16 The20YearIRCloud Some do that
00:16 The20YearIRCloud kind of what i'm doing
00:16 decimation ownership would assist in the embellishment
00:16 decimation but not required
00:16 mircea_popescu all it needs is some neoprotestant varnish and it could start its own gulch.
00:16 The20YearIRCloud like galts?
00:16 mircea_popescu yeah.
00:16 mircea_popescu well like whatever chile dudes.
00:17 mircea_popescu or w/e that was
00:17 decimation yeah the one that was a total scam
00:17 The20YearIRCloud i've got many that want to do it
00:17 The20YearIRCloud but it isn't in the cards for 5 years ors o
00:18 mircea_popescu it just occured to me : the berkshire bets happen just as it crossed the 6 months threshold.
00:18 mircea_popescu maybe that's th estory here : bets more than 6 mo out are too far out.
00:21 mircea_popescu http://dollarvigilante.com/blog/2014/8/27/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-on-galts-gulch-chile.html if anyone cares
00:21 assbot The Good, The Bad and The Ugly on Galt's Gulch Chile
00:22 The20YearIRCloud 1st rat to jump ship
00:23 mircea_popescu i had no idea they had good drama.
00:23 The20YearIRCloud recently they have
00:23 mircea_popescu goes with the argentina bashing some other guy was doing linked earlier.
00:23 The20YearIRCloud Yeah
00:24 mircea_popescu for the record, i agree with both negative estimates. it is incredibly stupid to go out in the fucking sticks, if you're on a budget.
00:24 decimation my spindy-sense was tingling when I went to their website a few months ago and they had no details whatever
00:24 mircea_popescu hardy pioneers mosty died there.
00:24 mircea_popescu decimation i was just wtf'ing now, looking at it. really, pictures of one jar of honey, a bunch of SIGNS and a bunch of mountain range ? THAT ?
00:24 The20YearIRCloud in the sticks in a somewhat economically hostile country without quality advisers/professionals to help guide decisions
00:24 mircea_popescu im not paying someone to move ~there~
00:24 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud and without an army.
00:25 The20YearIRCloud it'd be like me throwing a dart at a map of Ohio and saying "I'm gonna build an acid plant here, it's sure to make money!"
00:25 mircea_popescu settlement is dubious even when you're settling VETERANS.
00:26 mircea_popescu but these are all practical considerations. i wouldn't do this even as a banal every day person.
00:26 mircea_popescu but for people to try and create a "bitcoin" or "ayn rnd" or w/e community.... this is so idiotic it defies description.
00:27 mircea_popescu why the fuck do you think feminists don't go to hide in utah on a farm ? perhaps because they don't want to end up on the receiving end of the stick, like the mormons ?
00:27 mircea_popescu why do they hide in well populated urban areas ?
00:27 mircea_popescu the more annoying you are to larger groups of people, the less advisable it is to go into a fucking ravine. stick to the town, everyone's annoying there.
00:31 The20YearIRCloud There are still quite a few hippie communes in the US
00:31 The20YearIRCloud Not huge mind you, but 100-500
00:31 mircea_popescu "Dear Hearts and Gentle People" is a thing for a fucking reason.
00:31 mircea_popescu if you're annoying in a rural setting you get killed.
00:31 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud yeah, but not on indian land.
00:31 The20YearIRCloud Yeah, not on the rez
00:32 mircea_popescu http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Hate-Small-Town-Simple-Minded-People/984101
00:32 mircea_popescu http://www.experienceproject.com/groups/Hate-Small-Town-Simple-Minded-People/61728
00:32 mircea_popescu sort of thing.
00:38 mircea_popescu "I first wrote about La Estancia as being "Galt's Gulch" in 2011. I went on to talk throughout much of early 2012 about how exciting I found the concept and how I would like to do one myself." fucking preachers without a church, teenaged boys trapped in sagging old bodies trying to get patrons to carve them a parish.
00:38 mircea_popescu except instead of addressing the lordship, they swindle innocent old people, the traditional victims of psychopathic piano salesmen.
00:44 mircea_popescu We sat down for dinner in Santiago with John Cobin and his partner who had brought us the property and that's when things started to get strange. Cobin and his partner had some bizarre plan to zone a few thousand acres with 3,000 lots including golf courses, hotels and all manner of grandiose things. They actually had a business plan that went into the billions of dollars in revenue.
00:44 mircea_popescu My first thought was that it would be terrible to turn this serene, perfect mountain valley into a complete suburban-like area. And my second thought was, "3,000 lots? Doug Casey has been operating La Estancia de Cafayate for more than five years and hasn't even sold 200 lots!"
00:44 mircea_popescu Everyone at the table told me that it was a "sure thing" which I found preposterous. But then, Cobin, his partner and Ken started talking about putting a down payment on the property with a "rubber cheque". They were essentially saying that we would give the owner a cheque that had no real money backing it and then raise the funds to buy the property.
00:45 mircea_popescu By that point I had had enough. "I don't do business that way," I said, and nearly got into a fist fight with Ken Johnson over it. However he and the others all assured me that this was "totally normal" in the real estate business to do... and over time they, and especially Ken, talked me into doing it. Ken told me, "this is how the real estate business works."
00:45 mircea_popescu Excited by the property and the potential I decided to trust Ken on his knowledge of how to do real estate deals and we then raised the money with four key investors who we still to this day call "the founders". All were TDV readers and they were excited about the potential.
00:45 mircea_popescu fucktards.
00:45 mircea_popescu listen kids. a) this isn't how any business works ; b) "totally normal" is no argument ; c) don't be this loser. don't be the 9 yo kid telling the tall tale about how you "nearly" got into a fist fight with the bad boys that ruined your sunday clothes.
00:47 mircea_popescu "I was assured that the property could be rezoned (at least somewhat) and that it had water rights and I returned to North America and Ken and I agreed we would be 50/50 partners on the deal (with a certain percentage for Cobin and his partner and for the founding investors) and I told Ken that I had no time nor qualification to operate or manage a real estate development so he would be the Managing Partner and that th
00:47 mircea_popescu e plan was for us to bring in qualified people to help us develop the property as I brought in the marketing interest for lot purchasers. "
00:47 mircea_popescu 50-50s ar for the qualified people in question. there is NOTHING, nothing at all, no benefit, zero, zilch, gulch for the guys with the "idea" or the "vision". fuck your vision and get lost, it's not worth a cupful of piss.
00:49 assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2V3VHQA.txt )
00:49 BingoBoingo !b 3
00:49 Duffer1 50/50 partners on the deal (with a certain percentage for.. the investors..
00:49 Duffer1 i'm sure this all ended well
00:50 mircea_popescu Very quickly after the purchase of the property I received an email from Ken that there was a lot of errors and the property not only can't be rezoned for 3,000 lots but only for 12! And, it had no water rights for much more than 12 livable units!
00:50 mircea_popescu Ken told me it wouldn't be a problem and he'd get it fixed. And, while I had already begun to market the property I was generally okay in knowing that the four founders had bought a large piece of property that, at worst, they could live on and/or resell and no one would get very hurt from this mistake.
00:50 mircea_popescu Duffer1 ^ like that.
00:50 mircea_popescu and the bonus being that for all this time HE LIED ABOUT IT
00:50 mircea_popescu now he's spilling the beans. he couldn't do this post that same day.
00:51 mircea_popescu it'd have been "unbusinesslike", because that's "totally normal" in "business".
00:51 Duffer1 ha so it was scam from start to finish, but now this dingleberry is blaming "ken"
00:51 mircea_popescu fucking children. where are ye buffett with your "the incredible productive assets and unlimited human ingenuity existing in America". show them to me baby. what productive ?
00:52 mircea_popescu ingenuity, yes. they're about as ingenue as a 9 year old girl.
00:52 Duffer1 we flip burgers good
00:52 mircea_popescu "A few months passed and there wasn't too much developing when I got an email from someone (not even Ken) in June of 2013 that he had just committed to purchase a property with secure water rights near the initial property for over $6 million... and it had to be paid in full within three months!
00:52 mircea_popescu Also, he had hired some sales staff (all TDV readers) and all of them were emailing me telling me that what Ken had just done was crazy and he was trying to get them to sell a property that wasn't owned by GGC without any real details even about the property, how much water or water rights it had and whether it could be rezoned! They all said they were going to quit but Ken had begun to move forward and market it."
00:53 mircea_popescu basically the dollar vigilante thing is going to be prosecuted for fraud next year.
00:53 mircea_popescu the dollar vigilante scam ring *
00:54 Duffer1 http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2013/01/glenn_beck_is_planning_a_2_bil.php?page=all
00:54 assbot Glenn Beck is Planning a $2 Billion Libertarian Commune in Texas | Dallas Observer
00:54 Duffer1 sure to follow
00:55 mircea_popescu sigh
00:55 dub hey, smaller target to nuke
00:56 mircea_popescu "Since I had already brought in thousands of leads to GGC throughout 2012 and the start of 2013 and Ken had begun to market this new property that GGC didn't even own I was very distressed. However, at the same time, the amount of interest was staggering. I knew there would be demand for a project like this but I was amazed how much interest there was. Ken again told me that this is just how these type of deals are
00:56 mircea_popescu done and that GGC would have no problem pre-selling the lots to pay for the land. He also told me that he had negotiated a deal in such a way that even if the full payment can't be made in time that we could extend it.
00:56 mircea_popescu And so I decided that since I was already roped into this by association I had two choices. To stop promoting GGC and go public with the reasons why I was uncomfortable or to continue to promote it and hope it works. I chose the latter and very quickly money began flooding into the project and I began to think that maybe this would all work out and maybe Ken really knew what he was doing."
00:56 mircea_popescu by the book bitcoin "unintentional" scam this thing.
00:56 mircea_popescu it's incredible just how homologously stupid these derps are.
00:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40417 @ 0.00075104 = 30.3548 BTC [+]
00:57 asciilifeform beck gulch << what an old chumpatron, snore
00:57 asciilifeform !s citadel
00:57 assbot 9 results for 'citadel' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=citadel
01:05 asciilifeform a 'gulch' or 'compound' or whateverthefuck the turdmeister of the day calls it - doubly so if pitched with fanfare to the drooling hordes - is an elementary honeypot, whether deliberately built as such or not.
01:07 asciilifeform anyone who is bedevilled by the question of where amerikanische dept of vaterlandische seekoority is gonna get ten thousand 'terroristes' to hang - that's where.
01:08 ben_vulpes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vod9DL4IhBM << relevant
01:08 assbot Disney & Pixar's A Bug's Life - 2 mosquitos - YouTube
01:09 ben_vulpes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iudb0amH0sY << irrelevant
01:09 assbot Attempted robbery at gunpoint caught on GoPro!!! - YouTube
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01:33 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes again ?!
01:37 mircea_popescu just curios, anyone remember the scottish attempt to colonise the new world ?
01:37 mircea_popescu was a very similar affair, led by similarly inept cvasi-religious figures without an actual religion. ended up hanging an innocent young english sailor for no particular reason.
01:46 BingoBoingo Oh the Darien!
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02:28 penguirker New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/09/19/ncaa-football-its-week-4-already/
02:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.15983949 = 1.2787 BTC [-] {6}
02:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 97 @ 0.15432708 = 14.9697 BTC [-] {18}
02:43 punkman http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-r1v1CcyixwM/U45yRd-80DI/AAAAAAACaE8/2rovJ-SjayA/s1600/01_weirdscience_20_50girls50_willirgkfritz.jpg
02:44 punkman more here: http://dpaste.com/1JJJN8N
02:44 assbot dpaste: 1JJJN8N
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03:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00075021 = 20.1806 BTC [-]
03:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 784 @ 0.000728 = 0.5708 BTC [-]
03:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00074998 = 9.9747 BTC [-] {2}
03:25 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
03:25 gribble Current Blocks: 321477 | Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 | Next Difficulty In: 1082 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 23 hours, 28 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35399464278.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.67174
03:37 BingoBoingo !up banana_lotus
03:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27800 @ 0.0007521 = 20.9084 BTC [+]
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04:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 157 @ 0.15014401 = 23.5726 BTC [-] {8}
04:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 400 @ 0.00160026 = 0.6401 BTC [-] {4}
04:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 21 @ 0.15000176 = 3.15 BTC [-] {4}
04:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 792 @ 0.00150304 = 1.1904 BTC [-] {8}
04:29 Duffer1 ;ticker
04:29 Duffer1 ;;ticker
04:29 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 405.99, Best ask: 406.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 406.0, 24 hour volume: 24319.45764654, 24 hour low: 406.0, 24 hour high: 450.73, 24 hour vwap: 425.943838324
04:29 Duffer1 almost there
04:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.15 = 1.05 BTC [-] {2}
04:39 ThickAsThieves 3XX here we come
04:42 Duffer1 ;;ticker
04:42 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 400.0, Best ask: 400.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.99000, Last trade: 400.0, 24 hour volume: 25747.56203446, 24 hour low: 400.0, 24 hour high: 450.73, 24 hour vwap: 424.167684521
04:48 punkman ;;ticker
04:48 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 395.88, Best ask: 396.7, Bid-ask spread: 0.82000, Last trade: 398.3, 24 hour volume: 26795.95626919, 24 hour low: 392.0, 24 hour high: 450.73, 24 hour vwap: 423.482238781
04:48 punkman it happened
04:51 wyrdmantis next target $350 ?
04:52 xmj ;;ticker
04:52 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 401.01, Best ask: 402.2, Bid-ask spread: 1.19000, Last trade: 402.2, 24 hour volume: 26966.96434580, 24 hour low: 392.0, 24 hour high: 450.73, 24 hour vwap: 423.317480237
04:52 wyrdmantis after re-jump to 420 ?
04:52 xmj dat volatility
04:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.0007519 = 10.2634 BTC [-]
04:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00075192 = 7.444 BTC [+] {2}
04:55 wyrdmantis volatility on fire
05:08 Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $400 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1029/ Odds: 51(Y):49(N) by coin, 30(Y):70(N) by weight. Total bet: 24.47471334 BTC. Current weight: 13,700.
05:13 wyrdmantis wtf late betting!
05:14 xmj can someone lend me BTC10'000
05:14 xmj I need to short BTC so I can win money to buy back BTC
05:14 xmj (wait..)
05:14 wyrdmantis lol
05:15 Duffer1 pretty sure that 2 btc is gracious donation
05:19 ThickAsThieves http://bitcoinmagazine.com/16481/bitcoin-price-dropped-today/ fukn idiots
05:19 assbot Why The Bitcoin Price Dropped Today – Bitcoin Magazine
05:20 Duffer1 lmao wat
05:20 Duffer1 we took some lcd and stared at tea leaves for 10 hours straight.. ALIBABA!
05:20 ThickAsThieves shazam!
05:34 Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $400 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1029/ Odds: 53(Y):47(N) by coin, 31(Y):69(N) by weight. Total bet: 25.47471334 BTC. Current weight: 13,647.
05:34 ThickAsThieves lol!
05:35 ThickAsThieves today will be a fun bitbet support day
05:38 punkman ;;tblb 3600
05:38 gribble The expected time between blocks taking 1 hour and 0 seconds to generate is 1 week, 3 days, 22 hours, 54 minutes, and 52 seconds
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05:59 wyrdmantis Alibaba IPO? Totally unrelated to this downmove?
06:00 cazalla such good prices and i have car rego and insurance to pay, such a scam :\
06:00 ThickAsThieves for starters, how do you sell bitcoin the day before and manage to get that cash into your stock account for todday?
06:00 ThickAsThieves what you think this is, bitcoin?
06:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17773 @ 0.00075072 = 13.3425 BTC [-]
06:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.15 = 1.2 BTC [-] {3}
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06:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41873 @ 0.00075067 = 31.4328 BTC [-] {2}
06:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 291 @ 0.00540999 = 1.5743 BTC [-]
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07:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.156 = 1.56 BTC [+]
07:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.1628 = 0.814 BTC [+]
07:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.1628 = 0.814 BTC [+]
07:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.15 = 2.25 BTC [-] {4}
07:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.15 = 0.6 BTC [-] {3}
07:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 20000 @ 0.00003611 = 0.7222 BTC [+] {5}
07:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 134 @ 0.00575101 = 0.7706 BTC [-]
08:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00075278 = 4.2156 BTC [+]
08:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49800 @ 0.00074938 = 37.3191 BTC [-] {2}
08:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00074922 = 18.3559 BTC [-] {3}
08:18 dub ;;ticker
08:19 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 390.0, Best ask: 390.6, Bid-ask spread: 0.60000, Last trade: 390.0, 24 hour volume: 31730.43641858, 24 hour low: 386.03, 24 hour high: 441.3, 24 hour vwap: 416.710163468
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08:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 159 @ 0.13919185 = 22.1315 BTC [-] {15}
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08:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.00074912 = 22.998 BTC [-] {2}
08:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13519 @ 0.00075102 = 10.153 BTC [+] {2}
09:07 mircea_popescu that was fucking trippy. so i start irc client, it goes to login,
09:07 mircea_popescu * mircea_popescu already in use. Retrying with ...
09:07 mircea_popescu ;;seen mircea_popescu
09:07 gribble mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> * mircea_popescu already in use. Retrying with ...
09:07 mircea_popescu meh.
09:09 ThickAsThieves hehe
09:09 mircea_popescu turns out this is what happens when someone tries to squat on your name just before you show up
09:10 mircea_popescu dude these scammorz...
09:10 ThickAsThieves the other day i was imagining that the freenode password reset recommendation they gave was actually nickserv being honeypotted and needing to slurp up passwords
09:10 mircea_popescu me too.
09:11 mircea_popescu (no, i didn't change it. i don't change passwords when a third party says so. i change them when i change them.)
09:11 mircea_popescu !up Anon29486307
09:11 ThickAsThieves i didnt either, not like they can !up anyway
09:13 mircea_popescu the advantage of multi layered security : you get to know what the would-be attacker knows and what he doesn't.
09:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8636 @ 0.00074894 = 6.4678 BTC [-] {2}
09:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15464 @ 0.00074878 = 11.5791 BTC [-]
09:26 Bet placed: 5 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 49(Y):51(N) by coin, 41(Y):59(N) by weight. Total bet: 16.70228689 BTC. Current weight: 52,350.
09:28 kakobrekla o look below 400
09:28 kakobrekla only 400 to go!
09:36 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
09:36 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 395.08, Best ask: 395.87, Bid-ask spread: 0.79000, Last trade: 395.87, 24 hour volume: 34402.70319991, 24 hour low: 378.78, 24 hour high: 438.88, 24 hour vwap: 412.849427944
09:36 mircea_popescu o hey.
09:40 assbot only +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
09:40 mircea_popescu !up only
09:40 only thank you. so who's dumping and where do they have their coins from? :)
09:41 mircea_popescu good q.
09:41 only **I wonder
09:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.15145788 = 0.7573 BTC [+] {3}
09:57 jurov what exchange pulls it down? coinbase?
09:57 jurov or bitstamp?
09:58 ThickAsThieves no one is dumping, china is scamming
09:59 ThickAsThieves i think this is at least partly people subscribing to the whole China does mega% of btc volume lie
10:00 ThickAsThieves so shady exchanges can just manipulate and the rest follow
10:00 ThickAsThieves this probably means well have another gox in the winter/spring
10:00 ThickAsThieves goxing*
10:03 ThickAsThieves to be fair though, i think the same shenanigans are what got us all the major bubbles too
10:13 mircea_popescu won't last that long.
10:13 mircea_popescu well, winter, yea, technically it starts next month
10:14 ThickAsThieves so Scotland missed independence by 6%
10:14 ThickAsThieves they should just split of a country for the guys
10:14 ThickAsThieves off*
10:15 ThickAsThieves the news photos show a bunch of people either very happy or very sad about the vote
10:15 ThickAsThieves but i dont get what would be so exciting about staying
10:15 ThickAsThieves Yes, we dodged independence, I am SO stoked!
10:15 chetty well even staying there are getting more autonomy, no?
10:16 ThickAsThieves dunno
10:16 los_pantalones age distribution is pretty telling,
10:16 los_pantalones 65+ voted heavily to stay
10:16 los_pantalones didn't want to lose their health benefits
10:16 los_pantalones dude tried to bring in 16-18 demographic to fight that
10:16 los_pantalones almost worked
10:19 mircea_popescu quebec was if memory serves 50.5 - 49.5
10:20 mircea_popescu los_pantalones normally society has these natural mechanisms to let pressure get out, all involving violence. the english speaking world has been uncannily successful at pluging all of them.
10:20 mircea_popescu i fully expect to see old people hanged for the fault of being old in my lifetime.
10:21 los_pantalones you've seen too much mircea_popescu
10:21 los_pantalones how much more can you see?
10:21 mircea_popescu well that's the problem with the antichrist, not only has it seen it all
10:21 mircea_popescu but is condemned to forever keep on seeing it all again
10:21 los_pantalones http://leaprate.com/2014/09/19/trenton-shavers-bitcoin-ponzi-scheme-lands-him-with-40-million-fine-from-federal-judge-in-texas/
10:21 assbot Trenton Shavers’ Bitcoin Ponzi scheme lands him with $40 million fine from federal judge in Texas | LeapRate
10:23 diana_coman ThickAsThieves it was pretty much like a competition (football match) so they are excited their "team" won
10:23 diana_coman (I'm in the UK, so I saw some of the excitement first-hand)
10:24 ThickAsThieves weird,
10:24 ThickAsThieves i see it as YES voters were trying to hit a target, NO voters trying to dodge a bullet
10:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50600 @ 0.00074884 = 37.8913 BTC [+] {2}
10:27 chetty old folks generally have more to lose in any change in status quo
10:28 thestringpuller ;;ticker
10:28 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 403.97, Best ask: 404.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 403.97, 24 hour volume: 35222.97132326, 24 hour low: 378.78, 24 hour high: 438.88, 24 hour vwap: 410.504446309
10:31 mircea_popescu chetty moreover, old folks are in a better position to understand the futility of change anyway.
10:32 chetty mircea_popescu, that is a whole nother issue, especially since old folks are useless and irrelevant
10:33 mircea_popescu that's okay, everyone is.
10:36 kakobrekla bitbet.su updated their page
10:37 kakobrekla after liek 17 days
10:37 kakobrekla (injection still works ok)
10:37 thestringpuller i still can't reach that page
10:38 thestringpuller now I can
10:38 thestringpuller lol
10:43 jurov kakobrekla: shoulda make the alert in russian, too. and last i checked it did not work
10:44 jurov best to use mat
10:49 kakobrekla dunno, works here
10:49 kakobrekla anyway it wont spit out an address any more, so thats that.
10:50 jurov no popup in firefox not chromium
10:50 jurov *nor
10:50 The20YearIRCloud I'm curious if BTC is gonna stay sub 400 for a while. If it does, our dividends are gonna be stellar
10:50 kakobrekla jurov did you request a deposit address on .su?
10:51 kakobrekla here it works in all ze browsers.
10:51 jurov ah i see. i was thinking the popup was on fromtpage
10:51 kakobrekla that is cached locally with them
10:52 kakobrekla and was 17 days old yest.
10:52 kakobrekla brb
10:53 jurov put there something like "тенто сайт на хуй, исполизоват bitbet.US"
10:53 jurov (hope my broken russian provokes someone to make it better)
10:55 mircea_popescu nahuy part i good.
10:57 assbot only +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
10:57 assbot only +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
10:57 assbot only +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
10:59 chetty !up only
10:59 Bet placed: 4 BTC for Yes on "20% difficulty increase before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1036/ Odds: 65(Y):35(N) by coin, 63(Y):37(N) by weight. Total bet: 14.48041982 BTC. Current weight: 79,149.
10:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.15083333 = 0.905 BTC [+] {3}
11:00 chetty haha assbot doesnt love me anymore
11:00 bounce !up only
11:01 bounce !up only
11:01 bounce assbot is short on memory
11:02 bounce anyway. ``Netropolitan Is Facebook For The Rich, Only A $9000 Fee To Join'' -- gotta be reeech to fall for that
11:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42563 @ 0.0007512 = 31.9733 BTC [+] {2}
11:09 pete_dushenski ;;bc,stats
11:09 gribble Current Blocks: 321511 | Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 | Next Difficulty In: 1048 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 15 hours, 11 minutes, and 23 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35414635579.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.7226
11:09 mod6 wow
11:10 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: quebec was if memory serves 50.5 - 49.5 << ayup. pretty much each and every time they gave it a go
11:13 pete_dushenski anyone else read anna karenina? or seen one of the film adaptations?
11:13 pete_dushenski http://contravex.com/2014/09/19/repeating-anna-kareninas-mistakes/
11:13 assbot Repeating Anna Karenina’s Mistakes | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
11:14 pete_dushenski there are almost as many films of tolstoy's classic as interpretations.
11:14 pete_dushenski 1935, 1948, 2012.
11:14 penguirker New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/09/19/repeating-anna-kareninas-mistakes/
11:14 mod6 the 2012 film was meh
11:14 pete_dushenski and 1997, 1967
11:14 pete_dushenski mod6: didn't see it
11:15 pete_dushenski can't stand keira knightly
11:15 pete_dushenski the 1935 version was pretty epic
11:16 mod6 i'll have to watch that one. i don't think a film could ever do such a book justice.
11:16 thestringpuller nothing is more epic than fritz lang metropolis!
11:16 mod6 i'd probably always be disappointed.
11:18 pete_dushenski mod6: perhaps the whole story won't be there in all its intricate detail, but the costume and set design in the 1935 version are truly splendid and well worth the squeeze
11:19 pete_dushenski thestringpuller: will have to watch that next!
11:19 Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Gold above $1300 on October 1st" http://bitbet.us/bet/1022/ Odds: 13(Y):87(N) by coin, 38(Y):62(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.73414003 BTC. Current weight: 14,878.
11:19 thestringpuller http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolis_(1927_film)
11:19 assbot Metropolis (1927 film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
11:20 mod6 pete_dushenski: werd. i'll check it out.
11:21 pete_dushenski this bitbet.su thing is pretty interesting
11:21 pete_dushenski no small task, that
11:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 500 @ 0.0075 = 3.75 BTC [+]
11:27 thestringpuller remember. only by the one's with the stamps on em
11:27 thestringpuller ;;ud with the stamps on em
11:31 kakobrekla jurov the idea is that if you dont understand the interface, you wont understand the bet and translating bets in generally a bad idea.
11:39 los_pantalones https://twitter.com/_youhadonejob/status/512420686099677184/photo/1
11:39 assbot These people live among us. http://t.co/g3NDcoM0EX
11:44 pete_dushenski los_pantalones: lol!
11:54 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: decimation there used to be this thing that you're not a real woman if you give good head << missing a "don't" ?
11:55 pete_dushenski what kind of upside down world is it that only unreal women give good brains?
11:55 pete_dushenski in my mind, it's sorta the mark of a real woman.
11:56 pete_dushenski then again, maybe that was the point vis a vis the house ownership dealio
11:58 ThickAsThieves maybe it's a real woman, as self-defined, doesnt give good head
11:58 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: <decimation> 'owning' your home is partially renting from the government, partially speculation on mortgage bonds, and partially a 'ticket' to future 'wealth' << fucking bril << mhm.
11:58 ThickAsThieves a real woman as male-defined does
11:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.27202039 BTC to 15`091 shares, 8429 satoshi per share
11:59 pete_dushenski ThickAsThieves: because a self-defined real woman is good at making money instead?
11:59 ThickAsThieves hmm male- might be too narrow
11:59 pete_dushenski her own, that is
11:59 ThickAsThieves maybe
11:59 ThickAsThieves likely part of it
11:59 ThickAsThieves she's a "man"
11:59 ThickAsThieves and men dont give head
11:59 pete_dushenski right
11:59 pete_dushenski lol exactly
11:59 pete_dushenski nao we're getting somewhere
12:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 7.25642428 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 631 satoshi per share
12:00 pete_dushenski in this fairy tale, a real man would therefore be one who is good at dishes and cooking?
12:01 ThickAsThieves very much so
12:01 thestringpuller pete_dushenski: perhaps this is why iron chef's are predominantly male...
12:02 ThickAsThieves nah a man will get obsessive about any given hobby
12:02 thestringpuller some girls will too
12:02 ThickAsThieves "girls"
12:02 thestringpuller lol gender roles
12:02 xmj lol boobs what
12:03 ThickAsThieves it's certainly topical
12:03 ThickAsThieves the war on gender identity
12:04 xmj ThickAsThieves: in 2014 there is overall consensus gender and sex are not forcibly equivalent
12:04 pete_dushenski iron chefs being male has nothing to do with any kind of war on nouns
12:04 xmj you can have a virtual dick. or be a physical mangina.
12:04 xmj :]
12:04 ThickAsThieves xmj, but what is not clear is whether that is a good thing
12:04 ThickAsThieves i suspect it is not
12:04 pete_dushenski and everything to do with who is the top of their field
12:04 pete_dushenski as in politics, science, etc.
12:05 ThickAsThieves right, obsessive about our pursuits
12:05 xmj ThickAsThieves: i'm stating facts eh
12:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 1.99324698 BTC to 29`438 shares, 6771 satoshi per share
12:05 xmj ThickAsThieves: the Cathedral defines as overall consensus whatever is in its best interest.
12:06 mod6 %ob
12:06 atcbot 45k@282 20k@273 7k@266 | 69k@198 6k@194 12k@190
12:06 thestringpuller %tslb
12:06 atcbot Time Since Last ATC Block: 0 hour(s), 44 minutes
12:06 thestringpuller damn
12:06 thestringpuller not good
12:06 thestringpuller block times on ATC have been pretty high recently
12:06 ThickAsThieves those personality tests need to also start addressing alpha/beta/lonewolf/"man"/"woman"
12:06 thestringpuller pete_dushenski: you know "the boss"
12:06 mod6 yeah, ever since the last diff change
12:06 mod6 %
12:06 mod6 %d
12:06 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 301190.90 in 987 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.96
12:07 mod6 ima reset this bot, got a fix for the pools output
12:07 pete_dushenski thestringpuller: nope
12:07 thestringpuller there is always a maternal component to a field
12:08 thestringpuller a woman teaching you is different than a man
12:08 xmj ThickAsThieves: lonewolf is already pretty well established
12:08 ThickAsThieves as?
12:08 xmj sigma
12:08 xmj in PUA lingo
12:09 ThickAsThieves heh, there i go reinventing the wheel again
12:09 mod6 %p
12:09 atcbot >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 117.28 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.24 TH/s
12:09 xmj ThickAsThieves: different people call it differently
12:09 thestringpuller damn I wish i had owned hashpower to point at ATC
12:09 xmj i heard of it first as Gamma (somewhere else), in PUA it's called Sigma
12:09 mod6 you can rent it at ispace iirc
12:09 ThickAsThieves it's funny i was literally trying to thnk of a name for this 20 min ago
12:10 ThickAsThieves i was like "delta?"
12:10 xmj ThickAsThieves: basically an alpha without a drive to LEAD people and with a drive to be left alone.
12:10 xmj http://krauserpua.com/2012/08/02/this-is-what-sigma-looks-like/
12:10 assbot This is what sigma looks like | Krauser PUA
12:10 thestringpuller ;;ud sigma
12:10 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sigma | Member of Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity Incorporated. Founded January 9, 1914 on the campus of Howard University in Washington, DC by the most honorabl...
12:10 thestringpuller boo
12:10 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: so you make a commitment to a house that exceeds the commitment you make to the woman in question. seems a bad equity play. << it's a terrible equity play. but plebs don't think in terms of +ev, only in the emotional "nao"
12:10 xmj backing up my claim.
12:10 xmj http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-15157.html
12:10 assbot Sigma, Alpha, or Beta?
12:11 xmj http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=3008
12:11 assbot Facing your inner alpha
12:11 xmj hey, even ESR has written something on sigmas.
12:12 xmj hm.
12:12 xmj ThickAsThieves: play rubberduck debugging for a second here
12:12 xmj ThickAsThieves: Moving from Sigma to Alpha is realizing that the current social systems suck, that you can do better, and that you will do so by disruption.
12:12 thestringpuller very mp-esque thought process there
12:12 thestringpuller xmj ^
12:13 xmj that was original xmj
12:13 ThickAsThieves well mp is most certainly an alpha
12:13 Bet placed: 250 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 44(Y):56(N) by coin, 60(Y):40(N) by weight. Total bet: 2566.68146022 BTC. Current weight: 44,220.
12:13 xmj and i think mp is my hidden evil twin that's why we hate each other so much.
12:14 ThickAsThieves !
12:14 xmj :]
12:14 pete_dushenski aga!
12:14 ThickAsThieves i do believe there is a certain phenomenon about hating your own traits in other people
12:14 ThickAsThieves or at least your own faults
12:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32133 @ 0.00075133 = 24.1425 BTC [+]
12:19 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: the more annoying you are to larger groups of people, the less advisable it is to go into a fucking ravine. stick to the town, everyone's annoying there. << or why jooz are avowed urbanites.
12:21 thestringpuller oh wo
12:21 thestringpuller w
12:21 thestringpuller people don't have faith in the bitcoin economy anymore :(
12:22 xmj ThickAsThieves: http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/09/17/your-evil-twins-and-how-to-find-them/
12:22 assbot Your Evil Twins and How to Find Them
12:22 xmj ThickAsThieves: what made you think about Sigmas?
12:22 chetty <xmj> and i think mp is my hidden evil twin that's why we hate each other so //how do you know you are not the evil one?
12:22 xmj chetty: read the blog, it doesn't matter who is evil
12:23 xmj and i just might, what with my exposure to neoreactionary thoughts...
12:23 chetty then proper statement would be opposite
12:23 xmj that'd make him the Good person.
12:23 xmj fuck if i know or care.
12:23 xmj :)
12:24 kakobrekla []bot> Bet placed: 250 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 44(Y):56(N) by coin, 60(Y):40(N) by weight. Total bet: 2566.68146022 BTC. Current weight: 44,220. < usg found more coin in the couch?
12:24 assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (44%) on Yes, 1445.6 B (56%) on No | closing in 4 months 4 weeks | weight: 44`218 (100`000 to 1)
12:25 xmj hmm
12:25 xmj ThickAsThieves: think some more
12:25 xmj https://dpaste.de/YGzO/raw
12:26 thestringpuller ;;ticker
12:26 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 402.99, Best ask: 403.5, Bid-ask spread: 0.51000, Last trade: 402.99, 24 hour volume: 36387.30268549, 24 hour low: 378.78, 24 hour high: 436.85, 24 hour vwap: 408.974711561
12:27 thestringpuller ;;calc 212133.16 / 400
12:27 gribble 530.3329
12:28 thestringpuller ;;calc 314.59764223 * 400
12:28 gribble 125839.056892
12:28 thestringpuller heh
12:29 thestringpuller ;;ticker
12:29 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 401.08, Best ask: 404.64, Bid-ask spread: 3.56000, Last trade: 401.08, 24 hour volume: 36354.50292038, 24 hour low: 378.78, 24 hour high: 436.85, 24 hour vwap: 408.94504521
12:34 los_pantalones thestringpuller what was that calc ?
12:34 los_pantalones ah, nm
12:34 los_pantalones i thought brk was over 220k or something
12:35 thestringpuller los_pantalones: i was just doing some basic arithemetic against the BRK-A bet
12:35 los_pantalones yeah, thought the brk px was off
12:35 los_pantalones but that is correct px
12:35 thestringpuller i was using today's price
12:36 thestringpuller to see btc / brk-a
12:36 los_pantalones yes yes, i thought brk was over 220k
12:36 thestringpuller not yet
12:36 thestringpuller interesting note. recently i realized brk-a has less market cap than AAPL
12:41 rithm i had brain surgery this week
12:44 thestringpuller good to see you are well and on irc rithm
12:44 rithm aww even if i died my bouncer is paid up for some time
12:44 rithm thanks though!
12:45 thestringpuller as lupe fiasco says
12:45 thestringpuller money ain't shit when there is wealth next to it
12:46 thestringpuller wealth ain't shit when there's health next to tit
12:46 thestringpuller as such i am thankful for your health good sir!
12:51 Bet placed: 4 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 59(Y):41(N) by coin, 49(Y):51(N) by weight. Total bet: 20.70228689 BTC. Current weight: 52,003.
12:53 kakobrekla it will tell us about 4 btc but not 250 ?
12:53 kakobrekla ah
12:53 kakobrekla still using twitter
12:54 los_pantalones there was 250 on X under 350 ?
12:55 kakobrekla see last 2 http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/#b199
12:55 assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (40%) on Yes, 1695.6 B (60%) on No | closing in 4 months 4 weeks | weight: 44`211 (100`000 to 1)
12:55 los_pantalones ah, more
12:56 los_pantalones MP goin the other way ?
13:00 punkman 150% profit on the original 1000, that's gonna be nice
13:01 jborkl los_pantalones> MP goin the other way ? <-- I think he goes both ways actually
13:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00075278 = 3.6886 BTC [+]
13:08 mats_cd03 i think he made it pretty clear he wasnt going to hedge
13:08 mats_cd03 correct me if im wrong
13:10 los_pantalones yes, just tryin to poke and rile
13:10 jborkl oh, I thought we were talking about something else
13:10 los_pantalones \trombone sound
13:11 mircea_popescu jesus gribble's slow.
13:11 fluffypony ikr
13:11 mike_c man, if i ran a site called bitcoin news i would be knocking down bitbet's door to get an interview about this huge bet going on.
13:12 mircea_popescu mike_c what if you ran the bitcoin chamber of commerce ?
13:12 mats_cd03 that sounds like an interesting enterprise i'd like to be a part of.
13:12 mike_c if i ran the chamber of commerce i likely have already written a dozen articles about bitbet :)
13:13 mircea_popescu mats_cd03 she's reasonably hot twist, for as long as that lasts.
13:14 penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/so-the-dollar-vigilante-scam-ring-is-going-to-jail/
13:16 mircea_popescu the beauty of liquidity : bitbet can actually cover any bet at the stated odds well up to 100 BTC.
13:17 mircea_popescu where else can you drop 50k on a side and not appreciably swing the odds.
13:17 mircea_popescu (i don't mean where else in bitcoin. i mean, where else in vegas)
13:18 los_pantalones larger bets in vegas they make you walk up to the window to get a special quote
13:18 los_pantalones and they try to profile you and fade your ass
13:19 mircea_popescu quite.
13:19 mircea_popescu this is well revolutionary, im noteven sure the chinese have access to such performance.
13:21 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the adonis-number needs a footnote probably
13:21 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it does, but im not giving it. let the wise have an easter egg.
13:22 jborkl point taken mike_c, the bet resolves so far out I have just been waiting
13:22 mike_c but the story is hot now. 1500 BTC bet short on bitcoin sounds like a juicy headline.
13:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0075 = 0.75 BTC [+]
13:24 jborkl yes it is , the amount has become very large. Let me get the basis of the article together and I will come back for more details and opinions
13:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: adonis << gonna be me, you, and that one other russian fellow who gets it..
13:25 mike_c jborkl: totally unsolicited advice: interview format might be good for this one.
13:26 mircea_popescu mike_c im not even sure what it's short on. but prolly bitcoin more than berkshire atm.
13:26 mircea_popescu than long berkshire*
13:26 mike_c certainly
13:27 mike_c berkshire is a constant
13:27 mircea_popescu not necessarily. guy's old, he might die etc.
13:28 mircea_popescu in finance there's no constants. just vairables with the appearance of constance in context.
13:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform perfect.
13:28 mircea_popescu (also anyone who reads the logs, which by now is tens of thousands of people)
13:28 los_pantalones the trade pays in bitcoin
13:28 los_pantalones not sure either side is short bitcoin
13:29 mircea_popescu yeah he can be somewhat short bitcoin but not THAT short
13:30 mircea_popescu i suppose the statement would be "someone who's short the "up up up!" "
13:30 los_pantalones or lookin for cheap brk-a exposure
13:31 mircea_popescu actually, maybe he's shorting brk-a and looking for cheap insurance.
13:31 mircea_popescu this could be a structured deal
13:33 los_pantalones lots of uses when there is good liquidity
13:33 mircea_popescu if he wrote brk-a puts and he somehoiw has a default bitcoin put by some reason (say, the reason being large holdings) then this is a +ev move
13:33 mike_c this is nuts: http://www.btcalpha.com/bitbet/786/ you could drop 5,000 btc on either side and get decent returns.
13:33 assbot Bet 786 Analysis - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment - Btc Alpha
13:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 77 @ 0.0104245 = 0.8027 BTC [-] {3}
13:34 mircea_popescu except the problem is i don't see any large march brk puts hgaving happened this week
13:34 mircea_popescu course it could be otc.
13:34 mircea_popescu mike_c that's not even half of it. even 1k on either side wil probably draw reaction. i'd guess if you drop 5k on a side you'll get more volume on the other just on general principle.
13:35 mike_c definitely.
13:35 mircea_popescu it is after all 6 month out
13:35 mircea_popescu that 50 btc diff bet ended up 800 btc on the winning side two weeks out.
13:36 asciilifeform buterin's waterfall - going strong.
13:37 mike_c ;;calc 2816 * [ticker --last]
13:37 gribble 1128821.76
13:38 mircea_popescu teh million dollar bet ?
13:42 mike_c for now
13:43 ben_vulpes ;;ticker
13:43 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 401.77, Best ask: 402.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.23000, Last trade: 402.92, 24 hour volume: 34354.57634559, 24 hour low: 378.78, 24 hour high: 436.85, 24 hour vwap: 408.704816241
13:43 mircea_popescu !up Nick___
13:43 Nick___ Hello
13:43 mircea_popescu mike_c BITCOIN CAN ONLY GO UP NOOB
13:44 mike_c heh, yeah. i meant it will be millions plural once btc goes up and people flood into yes.
13:44 Nick___ I am looking for some help. One of the winning bets that closed on bitbet did not pay out to my addresses, looking for someone to look into it. Can anyone help?
13:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00075104 = 15.922 BTC [-] {2}
13:47 Nick___ mircea_popescu?
13:47 mircea_popescu Nick___ specifically ?
13:47 mircea_popescu (you can link to individual bets directly, do that)
13:47 Nick___ http://bitbet.us/bet/1005/russia-or-ukraine-formally-declares-war-on-the/
13:47 assbot BitBet - Russia or Ukraine formally declares war on the other before September :: 0.03 B (12%) on Yes, 0.22 B (88%) on No | closed 6 days 17 hours ago
13:47 mircea_popescu yes, but which one ?
13:48 Nick___ hold on one sec
13:48 Nick___ do you want the addresses i paid into or the ones i'm supposed to be paid out of?
13:49 mike_c Nick___: which bet was yours? hover over the 'time' column to get a link to the bet.
13:50 Nick___ http://bitbet.us/bet/1005/russia-or-ukraine-formally-declares-war-on-the/#b5
13:50 assbot BitBet - Russia or Ukraine formally declares war on the other before September :: 0.03 B (12%) on Yes, 0.22 B (88%) on No | closed 6 days 17 hours ago
13:51 Nick___ and http://bitbet.us/bet/1005/russia-or-ukraine-formally-declares-war-on-the/#b6
13:51 assbot BitBet - Russia or Ukraine formally declares war on the other before September :: 0.03 B (12%) on Yes, 0.22 B (88%) on No | closed 6 days 17 hours ago
13:51 mircea_popescu Nick___ i see. looking into it.
13:51 Nick___ thanks mate
13:54 mircea_popescu Nick___ seems a tx failed to propagate properly. sorry for the inconvenience. will be rebroadcast presently. thanks for reporting.
13:54 Nick___ thanks mate, no problems
13:54 Nick___ just glad you run a stand up site
13:54 assbot Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3QCXTRX.txt )
13:54 ben_vulpes !b 5
13:55 mircea_popescu i don't run it, kako does. i just get the cookies :D
13:55 Nick___ all the same, my compliments
13:55 mircea_popescu see kakobrekla, this is how cumstomer support is done, not the stuff you do!
13:57 kakobrekla it gets worse.
13:57 asciilifeform http://cryptome.org/2014/09/cia-treason-psychology.pdf << mega-lol
14:05 mircea_popescu !up BlueMeanie4
14:05 BlueMeanie4 heya MP
14:06 BlueMeanie4 hows things in bitcoin-assets land?
14:06 mircea_popescu not so bad. berkshire making waves today.
14:06 mircea_popescu did you forgot how to selfvoice meanwhile btw ?
14:07 BlueMeanie4 the real berkshire?
14:07 mircea_popescu well the bet.
14:08 BlueMeanie4 hmm im a bit confused
14:08 Duffer1 has anyone stepped up to claim the massive no bets?
14:08 jurov %tslb
14:08 atcbot Time Since Last ATC Block: 1 hour(s), 22 minutes
14:08 mircea_popescu Duffer1 not so far.,
14:08 jurov that's cuz i made a testing tx
14:08 mircea_popescu BlueMeanie4 http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/
14:08 assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (40%) on Yes, 1695.6 B (60%) on No | closing in 4 months 4 weeks | weight: 44`196 (100`000 to 1)
14:08 BlueMeanie4 you were placing bets on Berkshire?
14:09 mircea_popescu !up Masterbill
14:09 BlueMeanie4 ah
14:09 BlueMeanie4 were at an interesting impasse with BTC
14:09 BlueMeanie4 basically all the altcoins are pathetic jokes
14:09 Masterbill Haha Hey guys!
14:09 BlueMeanie4 btc has its warts for sure
14:09 mircea_popescu ;;calc sqrt(226**2 + 203**2)
14:09 gribble 303.784463066
14:10 BlueMeanie4 whats that the fibonacci pattern for btc?
14:10 mircea_popescu nah some eulora mining math
14:10 mircea_popescu chetty is valliantly fighting the engines
14:11 mircea_popescu los_pantalones omg no rate ? what is this!
14:12 los_pantalones on you? no reciprocation ?
14:13 los_pantalones i'll do now, i'm a selfish person
14:13 mircea_popescu ::rate los_pantalones 0 selfish person!1
14:14 bounce .oO( pot & kettle sitting in a tree... )
14:15 los_pantalones ;;rate mircea_popescu 1 fearless prognasticator and champion whack-a-mole'r
14:15 gribble Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
14:15 los_pantalones qua?
14:15 mircea_popescu you can't have misspellings.
14:16 los_pantalones makese sense
14:16 los_pantalones mircea_popescu 1 fearless prognosticator and champion whack-a-mole'r
14:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00075031 = 10.6169 BTC [-]
14:16 los_pantalones ;;rate 1 fearless prognosticator and champion whack-a-mole'r
14:16 gribble Error: 'fearless' is not a valid integer.
14:17 mircea_popescu :D
14:17 los_pantalones christ almighty
14:17 mircea_popescu ahh this was worth it.
14:17 los_pantalones haha, firshir
14:17 mircea_popescu ::rate los_pantalones 3 public accidents in tight pants
14:17 los_pantalones there he is
14:19 los_pantalones ;;rate mircea_popescu 1 fearless prognosticator and champion whack-a-mole'r
14:19 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded.
14:19 mircea_popescu aww so soon
14:19 los_pantalones \sigh
14:23 artifexd lol
14:26 los_pantalones https://twitter.com/jgarzik/status/489426693044436992
14:26 assbot Edward Snowden should not face trial, says UN human rights commissioner http://t.co/CUuhDLnWVu
14:26 los_pantalones just trollin for info on bluemeanie and came across that
14:26 mircea_popescu !s from:BlueMeanie4
14:26 assbot 541 results for 'from:BlueMeanie4' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3ABlueMeanie4
14:27 BlueMeanie4 something you want to know?
14:28 BlueMeanie4 its someone frightening that we form our entire opinion of someone these days by what shows up on google
14:28 asciilifeform 'This content has been removed as our copyright has expired.' << lol! wtf
14:28 BlueMeanie4 wasnt the internet supposed to relieve us of this sort of thing?
14:29 mircea_popescu BlueMeanie4 well i wouldn't imagine it'd be the entire opinions
14:29 Duffer1 there's always usenet <3
14:29 mircea_popescu !up Nick___
14:29 BlueMeanie4 Google has become WAY too powerful
14:29 mircea_popescu you need a wot account and then a rating from someone in assbot's trust list to be able to self voice.
14:29 mircea_popescu BlueMeanie4 word.
14:29 BlueMeanie4 ppl think they are the last word on anything
14:30 mircea_popescu either that or wikipedia
14:30 BlueMeanie4 meanwhile it's got NSA and friends written all over it from day one.
14:30 mircea_popescu which is actually worse.
14:30 BlueMeanie4 for sure
14:30 mircea_popescu Nick___ see http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
14:30 assbot first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
14:30 BlueMeanie4 i noticed wikipedia's slow demise at least 5 years ago
14:30 BlueMeanie4 its hard to see, but it's very biased
14:31 BlueMeanie4 the truth has been written down many times, the technology we used to write it wasn't the problem :)
14:34 asciilifeform http://www.jackpair.com << we love mitm! and prng; and luser-phriendliness...
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14:34 assbot JackPair
14:35 punkman http://www.soldatiki.su/data/b111_10_05.jpg
14:36 mircea_popescu !up BlueMeanie4
14:36 mircea_popescu punkman not bad.
14:40 BlueMeanie4 re. that Berkshire bet
14:40 BlueMeanie4 it should be calculated according to total market cap , no?
14:41 mircea_popescu hm ?
14:43 BlueMeanie4 per share? what if theres a split?
14:44 mircea_popescu it says it will see through splits and distributions
14:45 asciilifeform aaaand now we can add Salsa20 to the list of 'unsavoury' algos...
14:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28977 @ 0.00075048 = 21.7467 BTC [+] {2}
14:53 los_pantalones mircea_popescu brk-a splits and you win ?
14:53 los_pantalones want buffet's number ?
14:54 mircea_popescu los_pantalones sees through.
14:55 mircea_popescu you're familiar with the legal concept right ? "court will see through the veil" device in bankruptcy, probate and so forth.
14:55 kakobrekla ;;tslb
14:55 gribble Time since last block: 6 hours, 55 minutes, and 34 seconds
14:55 jurov <mircea_popescu> not necessarily. guy's old, he might die etc. <<< lol bitbet became assassination market >:D
14:56 mircea_popescu jurov oh for crying out loud.
14:57 BlueMeanie4 there are some real dangers were facing with these things
14:58 BlueMeanie4 seems these perpetual adolescents who browse 4chan think an anonymous assassination market would be real swell
14:58 mircea_popescu not so sure about that.
14:58 los_pantalones why is that a real danger ?
14:58 mircea_popescu los_pantalones well cause it's still cheaper to kill a guy than to annimate a corpse.
14:58 BlueMeanie4 if you cant see the obvious problem with that im not going to run down that road with you
14:59 mod6 <+gribble> Time since last block: 6 hours, 55 minutes, and 34 seconds << this can't really be right is it?!
14:59 mircea_popescu mod6 blockchain is dead for ~6 hours too.
14:59 kakobrekla nope, its actually 12 hrs
14:59 mircea_popescu lol
14:59 BlueMeanie4 or maybe we can pool our money and have your unpopular opinion elimated for good if you catch my meaning?
14:59 kakobrekla aww
14:59 rithm blockchain.info #1 super trust
14:59 chetty <mod6> <+gribble> Time since last block: 6 hours, 55 minutes, and 34 seconds << this can't really be right is it?!/7 miners on strike?
14:59 mod6 wtf
15:00 rithm gribble needs to use chain API and join the VC shill rtevolution amirite
15:00 kakobrekla terrible lag inhere or is it just me
15:00 los_pantalones BlueMeanie4 the probability of you being successful in this endeavor is not 'real danger'
15:00 mircea_popescu mod6 i dunno, they failed. the blockchain seems just fine of itself.
15:00 mod6 i had some bad before, its ok for me now. we need irc.bitcoin-assets.com
15:00 rithm mod6 accidentally a word
15:01 BlueMeanie4 hold on so its not dangerous because 'the market' will weed out any undesirable assassinations?
15:01 mircea_popescu los_pantalones how do you quantify that ?
15:01 mod6 rithm: huh?
15:01 BlueMeanie4 every person can have an entry on the block chain that indicates the current value of their life
15:01 los_pantalones yes, perceived and real are different
15:01 los_pantalones quantifying stuff like that usually tends towards looking at willingness to pay for insurance and other similar protections
15:01 BlueMeanie4 therefore if you dont have a high life-value rating, you shouldnt express your opinions
15:02 BlueMeanie4 otherwise its cement shoes for you! yay lolbertarianism
15:02 rithm <mod6> i had some bad <insert subject here, i assume lag> before, its ok for me now. we need irc.bitcoin-assets.com </grammarnazi>
15:02 mod6 oh ya, thx.
15:02 mircea_popescu BlueMeanie4 it would put a lot of pressure on coallescing lordships
15:02 BlueMeanie4 it would? the lords are the ones with the money remember?
15:02 mircea_popescu "you can speak whatever you wish as long as the duke of parma protects you"
15:03 rithm so BlueMeanie4 is cool
15:03 mircea_popescu sorta like 1400 all over again.
15:03 BlueMeanie4 i cant wait
15:03 mircea_popescu well it was a time of great art.
15:03 BlueMeanie4 that was my favorite medieval century
15:03 chetty haha I can see it now, those who want one alive bidding against those who want one dead, what fun
15:03 BlueMeanie4 especially the part about burning heretics at the stake
15:03 mircea_popescu BlueMeanie4 well, only the annoying ones :D
15:03 mircea_popescu or i guess the poor ones
15:03 BlueMeanie4 like Galileo
15:03 mircea_popescu or the women that didn't suck cock well enough.
15:04 BlueMeanie4 he was so annoying
15:04 mircea_popescu BlueMeanie4 he died in his bed you know.
15:04 BlueMeanie4 everyone knows that if you keep sailing west you will fall off the edge of the world and dragons will eat you
15:04 mircea_popescu how did you get the idea galileo burned ?
15:04 BlueMeanie4 no excommunicated
15:04 BlueMeanie4 youre correct on that
15:05 rithm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaCKKHcpf0w
15:05 assbot Bill Burr Explains Why Yoko Ono Sucks - YouTube
15:06 mircea_popescu precisely because of the protection of the duke of toscana
15:06 BlueMeanie4 ok so we still think anonymous assassinations are great?
15:06 mircea_popescu we never thought that.
15:06 mircea_popescu you just did a poor job of arguing against them :)
15:07 los_pantalones i took umbrage with your use of the word 'real'
15:07 mircea_popescu BlueMeanie4 this is basically like smbc's technicality club. you can easily end up hammered into the dirt for having used the wrong adjective.
15:07 ben_vulpes re working at derpy shartups: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=u7tLFmD8
15:07 mircea_popescu as correct as otherwise your position may be.
15:08 rithm http://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/tcv
15:08 assbot Token Controlled Viewpoint (TCV) Genesis, Characteristics and Early Use Cases | Lets Talk Bitcoin
15:08 rithm channel needs token society
15:09 mircea_popescu i thought it was a crypto for black kids.
15:09 rithm pre-sale of exclusivity tokens
15:10 rithm * > ethereum is the new litmus test
15:10 mircea_popescu i have nfi how dumb it is, i didn't read.
15:11 rithm create your own altcoin, just to be allowed access to the forum, secret societies forming and such
15:12 mod6 mircea_popescu: yeah, they're smoking crack over at blockchain.info, btc.blockr.io shows 321555: http://btc.blockr.io/api/v1/block/info/last
15:12 mod6 ~4 minutes ago
15:12 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves http://bitbet.us/bet/1047/billion-dollar-bet/ << your dream came true ?
15:12 assbot BitBet - Billion dollar bet? :: 1 B (100%) on Yes, 0 B (0%) on No | closing in 5 months 1 week| weight: 99`989 (100`000 to 1)
15:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00075301 = 25.4517 BTC [+] {2}
15:21 rithm wtf bet
15:23 los_pantalones https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=150803.msg8891220#msg8891220
15:23 assbot BFL fucks us over again
15:23 los_pantalones raided
15:23 los_pantalones supposedly
15:24 mircea_popescu oh ?
15:24 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/preemptive-strike-to-have-on-hand-for-when-butterfly-labs-gets-hauled-off-to-jail-in-corpore/
15:24 assbot Preemptive strike, to have on hand for when Butterfly Labs gets hauled off to jail in corpore pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
15:24 mircea_popescu check me out, i'm so prepared :D
15:25 los_pantalones fearless prognosticator
15:27 mod6 so in #altcoin, i added an undocumented command to query btc.blockr.io for the last block time + last block number, looks like this: Time Since Last BTC Block (321557): 0 hour(s), 7 minutes
15:27 mod6 let me know if you want me to add it to atcbot and I will.
15:27 ben_vulpes rithm: steady state is an altcoin for everyone
15:28 rithm mircea_popescu: href typo -> involuntary humor http://mpex.wsdtng/c/src/135778037437.png
15:29 rithm not sure what's going on there
15:29 rithm some sort of / root path implication
15:30 rithm either way, i can't see the porn
15:31 mircea_popescu there is no pron
15:31 * rithm is saddened
15:33 ben_vulpes bwahahahat is going on there
15:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22550 @ 0.00075063 = 16.9267 BTC [-]
15:43 Bet created: "Gold above $1200 on November 1st" http://bitbet.us/bet/1046/
15:43 Bet created: "Billion dollar bet?" http://bitbet.us/bet/1047/
15:43 Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Billion dollar bet?" http://bitbet.us/bet/1047/ Odds: 100(Y):0(N) by coin, 100(Y):0(N) by weight. Total bet: 1 BTC. Current weight: 99,977.
15:43 Bet placed: 2.25 BTC for Yes on "Alibaba IPO mkt cap over $150B end of opening day" http://bitbet.us/bet/1019/ Odds: 86(Y):14(N) by coin, 72(Y):28(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.36874888 BTC. Current weight: 17,157.
15:43 Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 61(Y):39(N) by coin, 51(Y):49(N) by weight. Total bet: 21.70228689 BTC. Current weight: 51,711.
15:43 mircea_popescu lol watch out, the catchup begins
15:44 BingoBoingo asciilifeform> http://www.jackpair.com << we love mitm! and prng; and luser-phriendliness... << Amazing Honeypot
15:44 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
15:44 assbot JackPair
15:46 Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin over $600 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1025/ Odds: 16(Y):84(N) by coin, 32(Y):68(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.86810627 BTC. Current weight: 3,359.
15:47 devthedev Good afternoon everyone
15:47 thestringpuller GOOD NEWS EVERYONE
15:47 thestringpuller free cookies for everyone
15:48 bounce hungry now.
15:48 los_pantalones http://coinfire.cf/2014/09/19/developing-story-usms-ftc-raid-butterfly-labs/
15:48 assbot Developing Story: USMS and FTC Raid on Butterfly Labs - Coin Fire
15:50 devthedev Well it's about time
15:50 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
15:50 gribble Current Blocks: 321511 | Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 | Next Difficulty In: 1048 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 15 hours, 52 minutes, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35265697094.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.22331
15:50 BingoBoingo ;;nethash
15:50 gribble 268454074.757
15:50 The20YearIRCloud usms?
15:51 mircea_popescu us marshals
15:52 BingoBoingo Is this why they can't release auction results?
15:53 mircea_popescu different ones.
15:55 mircea_popescu why are all the dudes in the (stock i presume ?) coinfire illustration fat
15:55 The20YearIRCloud 'Merica?
15:55 los_pantalones 'muricah
15:56 ben_vulpes thestringpuller: cookies?
15:56 los_pantalones record corn crop this year, bitbet on 'muricah gaining avg 10lbs next year ?
15:56 mircea_popescu too hard to measure.
15:56 mircea_popescu besides, don't they make ethanol ?
15:56 los_pantalones not really
15:56 los_pantalones most corn -> HFCS
15:56 ben_vulpes well, crappy ethanol
15:56 ben_vulpes that is then shipped to S.A. for their "high grade" ethanol
15:57 ben_vulpes great big fuck off tankers carrying the same shit passing in the night...
15:57 The20YearIRCloud Really has nothing to do with HFCS and the fact that americans consume tons of sugar/carbs with low-ish exircise
15:57 mircea_popescu wait, wut ?
15:57 mircea_popescu you can trivially distill ethanol, what's this grade busness ?
15:57 The20YearIRCloud in my area virtually all corn from one county goes to ethanol, and they don't grade it
15:58 The20YearIRCloud Allthe corn in the US produced this year will go to raise more beef for next year, as beef prices are astronomical
15:59 mircea_popescu argentina plans to not export any this year
15:59 mircea_popescu which seems crazy.
15:59 The20YearIRCloud joy
15:59 The20YearIRCloud Wonder how much that'll push inflation
16:08 thestringpuller ben_vulpes: yes i will be shipping cookies soon.
16:11 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: some usians claim that some kinds of ethanol burn more "cleanly" than others.
16:11 mod6 %tslb
16:11 atcbot Time Since Last ATC Block (#45385): 0 hour(s), 17 minutes
16:11 mod6 %tslb_btc
16:11 atcbot Right now!
16:11 ben_vulpes %tslb_btc
16:11 atcbot Right now!
16:11 kakobrekla fast blocks
16:11 ben_vulpes guessing it rounds to minutes?
16:12 mod6 the website says "right now" too, so it looks correct to me on that last one
16:12 kakobrekla see, you dont need cannacoin
16:19 jborkl http://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-betting-site-bitbet-us/
16:19 assbot Bitcoin betting site Bitbet.us, over $1 million on one bet |
16:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14050 @ 0.00075045 = 10.5438 BTC [-] {2}
16:20 jborkl if anyone has opinions on it please later tell me, I constatly fix things
16:21 asciilifeform bfl assets seized << so, ft meade semiconductor plant is behind schedule, gotta 'steal candy from baby' now ?
16:21 BingoBoingo Looks that way
16:30 artifexd ;;rate nubbins` 2 Produces quality stuff but don't let him wrap Christmas presents unless you want to spend days unwrapping
16:30 gribble Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
16:30 artifexd ;;ident
16:30 gribble Nick 'artifexd', with hostmask 'artifexd!sid28611@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nfmpjndnxxclhbjm', is not identified.
16:30 artifexd ;;eauth artifexd
16:30 gribble Request successful for user artifexd, hostmask artifexd!sid28611@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nfmpjndnxxclhbjm. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/11D1433947A3327A
16:31 artifexd ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:a8e872c5fd617f835565a25b959766a3653ae4129b752735e66611b3
16:31 gribble You are now authenticated for user artifexd with key 11D1433947A3327A
16:31 artifexd ;;rate nubbins` 2 Produces quality stuff but don't let him wrap Christmas presents unless you want to spend days unwrapping
16:31 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user nubbins` has changed from 1 to 2.
16:31 artifexd ;;later tell nubbins` The poster is beautiful. Thanks!
16:31 gribble The operation succeeded.
16:34 BingoBoingo %t
16:34 atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 198 Ask: 266 Last Price: 198 24h-Vol: 32k High: 266 Low: 198 VWAP: 216
16:35 BingoBoingo %v
16:35 atcbot [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 198 Ask: 266 Last Price: 198 30d-Vol: 173k 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 188
16:38 mod6 %tslb_btc
16:38 atcbot Time Since Last BTC Block (#321570): 0 hour(s), 18 minutes
16:40 BingoBoingo Nice
16:40 BingoBoingo %p
16:40 atcbot >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 131.94 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s
16:41 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> bfl assets seized << all pointers seem to indicate the forum post is a prank.
16:41 mircea_popescu ;;tslb
16:41 gribble Time since last block: 8 hours, 41 minutes, and 49 seconds
16:41 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo what's going on there, miner down ? or we on invisible pool ?
16:42 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Our pools' still not on the bot
16:42 BingoBoingo http://104.131.60.126:8559/static/
16:42 assbot P2Pool
16:44 asciilifeform prank << ah well
16:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34837 @ 0.00075026 = 26.1368 BTC [-] {2}
~ 25 minutes ~
17:17 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
17:17 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 399.84, Best ask: 400.74, Bid-ask spread: 0.90000, Last trade: 400.74, 24 hour volume: 31890.07768146, 24 hour low: 378.78, 24 hour high: 436.85, 24 hour vwap: 404.276161033
17:18 mircea_popescu so 4 is this new 5 ? i don't like this fortran.
17:21 BingoBoingo http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/09/19/apples-dangerous-game/
17:21 assbot Apple’s dangerous game - The Washington Post
17:22 Duffer1 govt will just invoke patriot act and require them to backdoor it
17:24 mthreat From two days ago: https://twitter.com/alansilbert/status/512344713995628545
17:24 assbot Double bottom? /hashtag/oversold?src=hash /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash
17:25 mthreat That's the problem with double bottoms... they always look like double bottoms at first.
17:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 111 @ 0.14267264 = 15.8367 BTC [-] {8}
17:29 BingoBoingo !up tatonaplane
17:29 tatonaplane dude that apple article...
17:29 BingoBoingo Dude, you are on a plane
17:30 tatonaplane I thought unwashed reading bitcoinmagazine for a sec
17:30 tatonaplane lol
17:30 tatonaplane unwashed=I was
17:31 ben_vulpes zidarski on apple's seekyooritee: http://www.zdziarski.com/blog/?p=3875#more-3875
17:31 assbot Your iOS 8 Data is Not Beyond Law Enforcement’s Reach… Yet. | Jonathan Zdziarski's Domain
17:31 ben_vulpes nb, have not read yet
17:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40719 @ 0.00074981 = 30.5315 BTC [-] {2}
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18:09 dub like apple user doesnt secretly want her nude selfies leaked online
18:09 mod6 ya srsly
18:12 Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "Billion dollar bet?" http://bitbet.us/bet/1047/ Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 17(Y):83(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.06 BTC. Current weight: 99,913.
18:21 penguirker New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-betting-site-bitbet-us/
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18:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39200 @ 0.00074923 = 29.3698 BTC [-] {2}
18:56 penguirker New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/09/19/the-newest-biggest/
18:59 BingoBoingo http://www.mail-archive.com/picolisp@software-lab.de/msg04823.html
18:59 assbot Announce: PicoLisp in Hardware (PilMCU)
19:04 mircea_popescu <mthreat> That's the problem with double bottoms... they always look like double bottoms at first. << word.
19:05 mircea_popescu wtf is scoop.it
19:05 mircea_popescu <dub> like apple user doesnt secretly want her nude selfies leaked online << you mean the photoshopped nudies hackers obsessed with her made ?
19:07 BingoBoingo %p
19:07 atcbot >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 168.59 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.16 TH/s
19:08 mircea_popescu kakobrekla http://bitbet.us/bet/1046/gold-above-1200-on-november-1st/#c3959 ?
19:08 assbot BitBet - Gold above $1200 on November 1st :: 0.06 B (10%) on Yes, 0.54 B (90%) on No | closing in 4 weeks 1 day| weight: 99`341 (100`000 to 1)
19:09 kakobrekla what, they are right there?
19:09 mircea_popescu ah my bad
19:11 mircea_popescu so BABA mkt cap close to 1/4 trillion ?
19:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 14 @ 0.064 = 0.896 BTC [-]
19:12 mircea_popescu who knew we'll live in the time of such richness.
19:13 mircea_popescu i remember seeing films which thought 1mn dollars was a fabulous reward
19:19 mircea_popescu !up Jamesonwa
19:19 BingoBoingo I'm off for a bit. If I'm not back by Monday... maybe worry I've been captured.
19:28 mats_cd03 kek
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19:50 kakobrekla http://bitzuma.com/posts/blockchain-info-paper-backup-stores-private-keys-in-the-browser-history/
19:50 assbot Blockchain.info Paper Backup Stores Private Keys in the Browser History - Bitzuma
19:50 kakobrekla hehe
19:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.0007494 = 11.7281 BTC [+]
19:54 ben_vulpes HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
19:55 mircea_popescu web wallets are such a winningful idea.
19:56 ben_vulpes get outa hea!
19:57 kakobrekla seems ok that bitzuma, on the first glance
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20:17 mircea_popescu http://globaldatingdiaries.com/2014/05/15/disastrous-dating-in-buenos-aires-argentina-2008-edition/ << this is hysterical.
20:17 assbot Disastrous Dating in Buenos Aires, Argentina: 2008 edition | Global Dating Diaries
20:17 mircea_popescu us chick in a car with a stud that outruns the cops, she has something to bitch about.
20:19 mircea_popescu bonus points for strategically covering behind purse pic.
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20:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.0007494 = 17.461 BTC [+]
20:50 mircea_popescu so no lilo day huh.
20:52 asciilifeform http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/d/a/dargot/_eres.jpg
20:52 asciilifeform ^ 'heresy - it hurts.'
20:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20650 @ 0.0007494 = 15.4751 BTC [+]
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21:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 930 @ 0.00075 = 0.6975 BTC [+]
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21:49 decimation http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-reorgs-its-trustworthy-computing-group-cuts-some-staff-7000033878/ << microsoft seekyourity
21:49 assbot Microsoft reorgs its Trustworthy Computing group; cuts some staff | ZDNet
21:50 decimation the mind reels. one wonders who the patron of the said 'trustworthy computing group' would be... and why they are no longer calling the tunes?
21:50 asciilifeform decimation: easy riddle. 'fritz chip' was finished, shipped, now ubiquitous. no more need for group.
21:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know the story with the guy hired to make the best church ever
21:50 mircea_popescu then killed when done
21:51 asciilifeform a la egyptians
21:51 asciilifeform or the traditional 'they poked the architect's eyes out'
21:52 mircea_popescu so i joined all other bitcoin channels. (from http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/?net=freenode&chat=bitcoin )
21:52 assbot Bitcoin - Chat Rooms on IRC Network freenode - Bitcoin, Currencies - irc.netsplit.de
21:52 decimation There is indeed a relationship between the Microsoft Trustworthy Computer Group and the Trusted Computing Group http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/trusted-computing-conference-announces-microsoft-trusted-computing-group-wave-systems-1824245.htm
21:52 assbot The Trusted Computing Conference Announces Microsoft, the Trusted Computing Group and Wave Systems Corp. as Diamond Sponsors
21:52 mircea_popescu every fucking thing is dead. an hour and 0 content except for btc-pricetalk which is 100% derpage overdrive
21:52 mircea_popescu diamond eh
21:53 asciilifeform every fucking thing is dead << i started out in perhaps 4 different ones, stayed here because alive.
21:53 decimation Trusted computing group is indeed the author of the 'fritz chip' specs http://www.trustedcomputinggroup.org/resources/tpm_main_specification
21:54 mircea_popescu decimation if you're into humint, follow where the employees "let off" go.
21:54 mircea_popescu roughly the same as following marker iodine through a body.
21:54 asciilifeform who really believes they were let free into the world.
21:54 mircea_popescu anyway, an easily overlooked point about bitcoin is that it's well proven we can make terrorist computers
21:55 mircea_popescu should idiocy a la tcg actually arrive to critical mass
21:55 asciilifeform since 'tutankhamon' solution was presumably not used - then stowed away elsewhere.
21:55 mircea_popescu that threat alone is enough to prevent successful adoption.
21:56 decimation The problem that usg has is that they would have to get china to buy into whatever 'secure computing' solution they want to push
21:56 asciilifeform fritz chip carries on as a diversion only, not an honest effort. the folks in usg with remaining working neurons realized after 'clipper' that a plainly labelled bull's eye - is dumb.
21:56 asciilifeform diffuse poison - smarter.
22:00 asciilifeform analogous situation from history:
22:00 asciilifeform in early nukes, there was no lock.
22:01 asciilifeform when (americans - afaik, no one else) felt a desire for locks, the first such took the form of little 'safes', modules similar to car ignition boxes of the time.
22:01 asciilifeform this was a threadbare solution, for obvious reasons - easy to spot where 'the goods' sit; know where to 'hotwire.'
22:02 asciilifeform so then final lock was placed as a turd in the fissile core (in fusion nukes, fissile initiator, almost same)
22:02 mats_cd03 http://www.rense.com/general44/soros.htm >> jews
22:02 decimation http://www.commoncriteriaportal.org/iccc/ICCC_arc/
22:02 asciilifeform in such a way that the turd would interfere with proper operation unless fed the correct magic
22:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.0007494 = 9.5174 BTC [+]
22:02 mats_cd03 assbot dead?
22:02 asciilifeform and, being where it is, would neither be apparent nor easily reached by an enemy.
22:03 mats_cd03 it just occurred to me how much of a fight btc is going to be in for with the usd over the next decade
22:03 decimation asciilifeform: the analogous situation with computers is buried inside the silicon of course
22:04 mats_cd03 i mean, btc will win regardless, but... if buttstamp and co were able to dump btc with so few coins
22:04 mats_cd03 what can they do with 400k
22:04 decimation mats_cd03: we are still in the minor leagues it's true
22:04 asciilifeform decimation: right. why place 'fritz chip' as a distinct physical bugger, where it is both apparent and easily manipulated.
22:04 mats_cd03 at this juncture i think 30 BTCUSD is not infeasible
22:05 asciilifeform why not 0.30
22:07 kakobrekla wont go below 2.
22:08 asciilifeform at 2 kakobrekla sells his airplane and buys the entire lot ?
22:09 kakobrekla me - no. someone else - yes.
22:09 asciilifeform point re: 0.30 etc is that if the 'tame' exchanges are sufficiently decoupled from physical reality, then there is no bottom.
22:09 mats_cd03 i for one would buy thousands of btc if it went to 0.3, and im sure many in this channel would too. it'd hasten the demise of some common enemies
22:09 asciilifeform in that you won't be let through the door to buy up the cheapo coin
22:09 nubbins` !s warrant canary
22:09 assbot 5 results for 'warrant canary' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=warrant+canary
22:09 nubbins` ah
22:11 kakobrekla if you cant buy it, price is irrelevant
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22:11 asciilifeform correct
22:11 nubbins` 0-249
22:11 decimation if you guys really think that the exchanges are 'decoupled with reality' then you should buy while its cheap, right?
22:12 kakobrekla so, it decouples itself from otc
22:12 asciilifeform but an 'official' price will exist, if only for the consumption of the faux btc press
22:12 kakobrekla like gox decoupled from stamp
22:12 mats_cd03 perhaps they believe that it will get cheaper still.
22:12 kakobrekla was it stamp 500 and gox 100 or something like that?
22:12 asciilifeform buy while its cheap << go try and buy.
22:13 mats_cd03 even less at one point no?
22:13 decimation what is the usd price on -otc?
22:13 kakobrekla afaik is still following the exchange rate
22:13 kakobrekla i mean
22:14 kakobrekla 'the exchange rate'
22:14 nubbins` ^
22:14 nubbins` bitstamp is the null argument ;D
22:14 mats_cd03 22:12:52 <+asciilifeform> buy while its cheap << go try and buy. << not a problem for anyone thats not american, i suppose.
22:14 decimation if you find a mob who is all derping the same thing, is it a conspiracy or organic knowledge discovery?
22:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 120 @ 0.00690002 = 0.828 BTC [+]
22:15 kakobrekla nubbins` yeah but yuropeans are shy.
22:15 asciilifeform mats_cd03: if you use an american-style exchange (afaik, all public exchanges track participants' meatspace identities in some way) you haven't really escaped from anything.
22:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 331 @ 0.0104 = 3.4424 BTC [-] {2}
22:15 nubbins` all the canadian exchanges require id
22:16 mats_cd03 there's knowing my identity, though. and then there's being able to touch me.
22:16 kakobrekla if you can wire to EU than you can get btc in otc
22:16 kakobrekla for us idk
22:16 asciilifeform mats_cd03: know - today, touch - tomorrow.
22:16 mats_cd03 its okay, i have faith the usg will mismanage itself into oblivion long before the dollar fails from due course
22:16 nubbins` taste - thursday
22:17 mats_cd03 you dont have to wait til thursday nubbins` ;)
22:17 nubbins` ;D
22:17 mats_cd03 you faggot.
22:17 asciilifeform mats_cd03: usg is the only party you would like to keep from fully knowing how much you hold and what ?
22:17 nubbins` hey now
22:17 mats_cd03 sorry, i'm rude
22:17 decimation http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2756256/Coroner-bitcoin-exchange-CEO-committed-suicide.html
22:17 assbot American Bitcoin exchange CEO, 28, researched suicide methods before jumping from a Singapore highrise due to 'work and personal issues' | Daily Mail Online
22:17 mats_cd03 'bitcoin CEO'
22:18 nubbins` gross, daily mail
22:18 kakobrekla did he rm wallet.dat ?
22:18 decimation are we saying that the new york times is respectable now?
22:18 mats_cd03 asciilifeform: i guess not. but, that would be the least of my problems if i lived in, say, cape verde.
22:18 kakobrekla o wait, its a she
22:18 nubbins` the new what times?
22:18 mats_cd03 although islands are not particularly good for hiding from usg.
22:19 kakobrekla due to 'work and personal issues' < buttcoins take too long to load, imma jump !
22:20 decimation "On February 10, Radtke posted a link to an essay entitled 'The Psychological Price of Entrepreneurship' and commented obliquely that 'Everything has it's price'. In comments posted on the day her death was announced, her friend Krystal Choo, who founded the online travel firm ZipTrip, said that 'This exact post has been killing me."
22:20 asciilifeform next year, after binge of dope in cia operative station: 'trial of cocaine baron takes bizarre turn after evidence - bag from his toilet tank - turns out to contain treatise on suicide methods. kilo of cocaine found in pocket of shitcoin ceo who jumped from tower.'
22:20 asciilifeform so some fellow mixed up two parcels. happens.
22:20 nubbins` decimation: related links: "15 smallest celebrity butts"
22:21 decimation what is this 'price of entrepreneurship'? if your job sucks, leave? why jump out the window?
22:21 kakobrekla that one personalized to you nubbins`
22:21 cazalla i thought brock pierce knocked that chick off
22:21 nubbins` lel
22:22 decimation asciilifeform: in Singapore drug possession in sufficient quantity is punishable by death
22:22 decimation no need to stage suicide
22:22 asciilifeform decimation: folks can talk on the gallows.
22:23 asciilifeform and in trial.
22:23 asciilifeform wouldn't do.
22:23 asciilifeform elementary - otherwise, why ever kill anyone, when you can frame them
22:23 decimation I think it is more likely that some chinese mobsters got screwed
22:24 decimation not that it really matters much to the deceased
22:25 asciilifeform whoever bumped off the girl, the Sg gov happily covers for him.
22:26 mike_c this is ancient news, yes?
22:26 asciilifeform it being a tendril of the octopus in good standing (whatever appearances to the contrary) - why susprised.
22:26 asciilifeform *surprised
22:26 decimation yeah, the 'new news' is the coroner's report
22:26 asciilifeform mike_c: the death - ancient news
22:26 mike_c ah
22:26 decimation which octopus is the question
22:27 mike_c only 7 months for the coroner's report. efficient!
22:27 decimation actually singapore is one of the most efficient governments in the world
22:27 asciilifeform efficient - at what.
22:27 asciilifeform the word 'efficient' alone is meaningless.
22:28 mike_c efficient at examining dead bodies.
22:28 decimation efficient at producing ambigous reports
22:29 nubbins` efficient at don't chew gum
22:29 decimation http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/man-climbs-white-house-fence-races-toward-mansion-before-being-seized/2014/09/19/1c3a96aa-4065-11e4-b0ea-8141703bbf6f_story.html
22:29 assbot Man climbs White House fence; races toward mansion before being seized - The Washington Post
22:30 decimation another volunteer for the gulag
22:39 mats_cd03 a cry for help
22:39 decimation hey asciilifeform, how do you 'type' russian? Do you use an X keyboard overlay?
22:41 asciilifeform gtk input dialogue
22:41 asciilifeform or, when quoting, ordinary paste.
22:42 decimation ah interesting. I tried the 'german' overlay but I just found it really annoying ('tis a QWERTZ layout')
22:49 mats_cd03 https://blog.malwarebytes.org/malvertising-2/2014/09/large-malvertising-campaign-under-way-involving-doubleclick-and-zedo/
22:49 assbot Large malvertising campaign under way involving DoubleClick and Zedo | Malwarebytes Unpacked
22:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 28247 @ 0.00003549 = 1.0025 BTC [-] {11}
22:55 decimation another reason to use noscript I guess
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23:13 asciilifeform http://www.foia.cia.gov/sites/default/files/DOC_0006122432.pdf << censored official american 'intro' on lev theremin.
23:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2804 @ 0.00072952 = 2.0456 BTC [-] {4}
23:28 peterl question about bitbet: are fees booked as income when the bets are placed or when the bets are resolved?
23:36 mike_c to put a different way, is all that brk money going out as divs this month? :)
23:37 peterl yeah, that was what I was wondering?
23:37 peterl but other bets have been heating up too
23:38 mike_c monthly statements indicate it's when bets are resolved.
23:38 mike_c http://trilema.com/2014/bitbet-sbbet-august-2014-statement/
23:38 assbot BitBet (S.BBET) August 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
23:38 mike_c says 442 BTC in bets, but 1.96 btc was income from bets resolved
23:39 peterl aha, thanks
23:40 mircea_popescu peterl when resolved.
23:41 mircea_popescu so yes bitbet is sitting on something like 30 btc in unrealised fees that will come in during the next ~6 months
23:42 mircea_popescu mats_cd03: assbot dead? << well the logs were working
23:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.14222727 = 1.5645 BTC [-] {3}
23:42 mircea_popescu mats_cd03:it just occurred to me how much of a fight btc is going to be in for with the usd over the next decade < duh :)
23:43 mircea_popescu mats_cd03: i for one would buy thousands of btc if it went to 0.3, and im sure many in this channel would too. it'd hasten the demise of some common enemies << thousands, srsly ?
23:43 mircea_popescu i'd simply buy it all.
23:43 mircea_popescu kakobrekla: like gox decoupled from stamp << pretty much
23:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.141 = 1.128 BTC [-]
23:44 mircea_popescu decimation: if you find a mob who is all derping the same thing, is it a conspiracy or organic knowledge discovery? <<< it's the internet :D
23:44 peterl you can't buy it all, the rest of us want a share too
23:44 mircea_popescu jesus i missed all the fun
23:44 mircea_popescu peterl kinda the point.
23:46 mircea_popescu mats_cd03: its okay, i have faith the usg will mismanage itself into oblivion long before the dollar fails from due course << this is like hoping the heart will cease functioning long before the liver gives in. in reality, they're so interconnected their demise is a cvasi-simultaneous event willy-nilly.
23:46 mircea_popescu ugs can survive a coupla weeks with a dead currency ; currency can survive about five minutes with a dead usg on whose faith and credit it is based.
23:47 mircea_popescu assbot: American Bitcoin exchange CEO, 28, researched suicide methods before jumping from a Singapore highrise due to 'work and personal issues' | Daily Mail Online <<< they forgot to mention what he read. it was http://trilema.com/2010/viata-suge-cum-ne-omoram/
23:47 assbot Viata suge, cum ne omoram ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
23:50 mircea_popescu nubbins`: efficient at don't chew gum << win.
23:52 decimation dead usg << I find it amusing that folks like the20year think that owning some raw land is a defense against such cataclysms
23:53 decimation because 'own' has been redefined to mean "the government gives you permission to do X"
23:54 mircea_popescu well that depends.
23:55 mircea_popescu in general the more liquid an asset is, the more likely requisitioned. land is hard to carry so often left with it's alleged owner.
23:55 mircea_popescu what else ? a stash of gold is not "govt gives you permission" ? 300 bucks in a wallet ?
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