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00:00 danielpbarron Jick needs to get a real job
00:00 Mexual yo, ben said i could use his computer
00:03 cazalla what a lulzfest that was
00:03 danielpbarron well that was useless for eveyrone involved
00:07 decimation I stopped listening awhile ago; did they answer your questions or ignore?
00:07 mircea_popescu <justusranvier> What happenes when somebody produces a platform just as useful, but without the need for an appcoin? << thinking is racist.
00:07 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIvlkfqtrwI
00:07 assbot BLACK BOX Ride On Time YouTube - YouTube
00:07 danielpbarron decimation, what do you think? :D
00:08 mircea_popescu <cazalla> if bitcoin = bad, ether = good, why would they sell ether for bitcoin? << it's the bitcoin patriarchy raping them.
00:08 cazalla decimation, they ignored them
00:08 Mexual ill be here when bitcoinity spawns new racist gifs
00:09 mircea_popescu <kakobrekla> so you are at home? <<< ahhh win
00:10 mircea_popescu <Mexual> head north from toddler << omfg this is actually vexual ?!
00:10 mircea_popescu shit man, you had me.
00:10 Mexual yes, with calming tequila
00:10 assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1GYR9D1.txt )
00:10 BingoBoingo !b 3
00:11 mircea_popescu everyone changes their name, from benkay to ben_vulpes and from bitcoinpete to pete_d. vexual changes too.
00:11 mircea_popescu to mexual.
00:11 BingoBoingo Only for the tequila it seems
00:11 mircea_popescu if this isn't diogenes pushing his tub up and down i dunno what is.
00:11 Mexual well, i thought it was about as cool as cargo pants, so i did it
00:13 Mexual but honestly i was hoping you'd talk to me in spanish
00:13 mircea_popescu i only talk spanish to my horse
00:13 mircea_popescu or filly, as the case may be.
00:14 mthreat mr. eduardo
00:18 Mexual !up mike_c_minus_key
00:23 Mexual whats the difference between paris hilton and robin williams?
00:24 Mexual paris still does coke
00:28 Mexual the best part about that joke is that i think rw might have liked it
00:33 Mexual bullshit
00:33 Mexual found your compuetr did you?
00:34 Mexual !up mike_c
00:34 mike_c i brought shit with me, wasn't going to bother setting up this laptop. but catching up on logs takes forever when sleep deprived.
00:34 Mexual its like 2 in the afternoon
00:34 mike_c i forgot to sleep last night
00:36 Mexual its tommorrow herw
00:41 Mexual where did you come from?
00:41 mike_c NYC
00:41 Mexual figures
00:41 mike_c because i'm so fucking cool?
00:44 Mexual on consideration, yes
00:47 Mexual bet u cant ghet a decent slice in portlkand
00:48 mike_c no bet. i won't try.
00:48 Mexual indeed
00:49 mike_c wtf am i supposed to eat here? probably some fish or something.
00:49 Mexual lol
00:49 Mexual trout ah la creme
00:53 Mexual perhaps mr vuples will get his generous nose out of whichever moot it's in and give you some advice
00:59 Mexual ill summon him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmtlqB0x59Y
00:59 assbot Traveling Wilburys End Of The Line - YouTube
01:01 Duffer1 mexual = vex?
01:01 Mexual sie
01:01 Duffer1 hola mang
01:01 Mexual hola
01:13 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CL6n0FJZpk if you cant work google hagout you cant make an altcoin
01:13 assbot Dr. Dre - Still D.R.E. ft. Snoop Dogg - YouTube
01:15 trixisowned http://i.imgur.com/29RDECV.png
01:15 trixisowned tehe
01:16 Mexual movers and shakers
01:20 BingoBoingo lulzy shit http://coinfire.cf/2014/08/12/opinion-motivation/
01:20 assbot Opinion: My Motivation - Coin Fire
01:20 mircea_popescu <mike_c> wtf am i supposed to eat here? probably some fish or something. <<< beef.
01:20 mircea_popescu Duffer1 how's your gut ?
01:21 Duffer1 swollen hehe thanks for asking though
01:21 mircea_popescu it'll pass :)
01:21 Duffer1 i need non creepy nurse gift ideas
01:21 mircea_popescu trixisowned where's that pix from anyway ?
01:21 mircea_popescu Duffer1 coffee. good, premium coffee.
01:21 Mexual looks like hes working for kyle
01:22 Duffer1 that's a really good idea
01:22 mircea_popescu best thing you can get a nurse.
01:24 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBnls_zoYQk because
01:24 assbot Night Shift - Bob Marley - HQ Sound [HD] - with lyrics - YouTube
01:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4466 @ 0.00169998 = 7.5921 BTC [+] {2}
01:27 Mexual suitcases=zombie?
01:27 trixisowned mircea it seems to be from a old twitter
01:27 trixisowned of some sort
01:27 trixisowned theres others
01:27 trixisowned with his shirt off
01:27 trixisowned etc
01:28 trixisowned i feel bad about linking those
01:28 trixisowned :P
01:28 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8_zG1-ks6A
01:28 assbot Ziggy Marley - Shalom Salaam - YouTube
01:29 trixisowned mircea_popescu, http://i.imgur.com/tZvePeq.png
01:29 cazalla that's prime for a dick photoshop with i love cocks on the postit note
01:30 Mexual hes already licking a hammer
01:30 mircea_popescu trixisowned interesting nick btw. what's the "is owned" part ?
01:30 cazalla rename file andreas_xyz, resize, put it inside other images etc etc so google images picks up hundreds of variations of it when searching his name
01:30 trixisowned couldnt tell you, its a name from like 2002
01:30 trixisowned that ive had since
01:31 trixisowned i think trix was taken on efnet
01:31 trixisowned so i made my name "trixisowned"
01:31 trixisowned like, the name is owned
01:31 cazalla trixisowned, picking a handle is like naming your son, i call bs
01:31 trixisowned already
01:31 trixisowned lol.
01:31 Mexual lemonade stand champion
01:32 cazalla then again, how many noobs used their real names first time on a bbs, maybe this explains mircea_popescu name etc?
01:32 trixisowned srsly, i bet thats how i came up with it
01:32 Mexual i ne're went on any bbs but mine
01:32 trixisowned i would have been 12
01:32 trixisowned lol.
01:33 cazalla Mexual, why call them when they can call me?
01:33 mircea_popescu trixisowned typical name for a slavegirl, to indicate that well... she's owned.
01:33 trixisowned well it fits with my faggotry
01:33 Mexual oh yes, tru dat
01:33 Mexual also i needded tas reasons
01:34 Mexual *tax
01:34 Mexual i loved hearing hits
01:35 Mexual oooh someones dialing in
01:36 Mexual fee usenet
01:36 Mexual free
01:37 Mexual i was buying inf o bv4 googefuck
01:37 cazalla if you were claiming line rental or something on tax back then, you're older than i assumed, how old are you Mexual
01:37 Mexual older than you
01:39 Bet placed: 9 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Jan 2015 over $200 at any point in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/776/ Odds: 15(Y):85(N) by coin, 23(Y):77(N) by weight. Total bet: 34.75204745 BTC. Current weight: 43,108.
01:40 Mexual my first modem had an airgap and wad 300 baud
01:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 522 @ 0.00169999 = 0.8874 BTC [+] {3}
01:43 cazalla did you buy it or your parents
01:43 Mexual neither
01:43 cazalla back of truck?
01:43 Mexual if hung around the back of trucks since i was born
01:44 trixisowned https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52E8GOAqOAs
01:44 assbot Andreas Antonopoulos Stares Into Your Soul - YouTube
01:45 cazalla he's a male feminist trixisowned and he looks dead inside
01:45 Mexual but i still remmeber my first at
01:46 Mexual ibm
01:48 Mexual i played lemonade stand endlessly
01:51 trixisowned http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2dm1n9/andreas_antonopoulos_stares_into_your_soul/
01:52 assbot Andreas Antonopoulos Stares Into Your Soul : Buttcoin
01:52 trixisowned upvote
01:52 trixisowned oops
01:52 trixisowned wrong channel
01:52 trixisowned ahahaha
01:52 trixisowned sorry dudes
01:52 trixisowned i always do that
01:54 Mexual thats not how you play frogger trix
01:54 cazalla eat the fly, eat the fly!
01:59 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FE194VN6c4
01:59 assbot Snoop Dogg - Beautiful ft. Pharrell Williams - YouTube
02:03 Mexual why do you hunt in a pack?
02:04 Mexual in case of accident
02:04 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq-kfVmtzOI
02:04 assbot Dillinger Cocaine in my brain - YouTube
02:13 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yZ9LnpSNlI
02:13 assbot B.U.G. Mafia - Cine E Cu Noi (feat. Nico) (Videoclip) - YouTube
~ 16 minutes ~
02:29 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fOFWRqy98k
02:29 assbot The Black Seeds - So True (Official Music Video) - YouTube
02:35 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H6amDbAwlY
02:35 assbot Tequila - The Champs - YouTube
02:40 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H6amDbAwlY hi punkman
02:40 assbot Tequila - The Champs - YouTube
02:40 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDp5HBVg-jw
02:40 assbot Chingy feat. Snoop Dogg and Ludacris - Holidae Inn Music Video(uncensored) - YouTube
02:43 Mexual !up usagi
02:43 usagi Hello friends. Haven't been here in nine months. I just stopped by to answer any questoins or respond to any statements regarding my previous issues. Although I only have a limited time right now (20-30 min before work).
02:43 Mexual do you like fugu?
02:43 usagi I've never tried it although it's supposed to be a delicacy.
02:44 Mexual do you want to come to my house any try some? im not certified
02:44 usagi What's a mexual? Is that like, someone who only has sex with Mexican people? I'm not biased, I'm just curious about different people and cultures.
02:45 Mexual no im just a guy who cuts fish as a hobby and sustinence
02:45 Mexual i just happen to be in mexico presently
02:46 usagi ah so da ne yo ta da.
02:46 Mexual if from australia, i have a big imagination, and many computers
02:47 Mexual you're not really japanese
02:47 usagi I didn't say I was Japanese.
02:48 Mexual no, thats true
02:48 usagi I do like to study Japanese though. I think it's a very beautiful language phonetically.
02:50 Mexual you may not know thos, but i have been likened to you casually
02:50 Mexual i prefer chinese culture
02:52 usagi Yeah I used to like Chinese culture a lot, still do, but the recent trends in Chinese linguistics have put me off a bit
02:52 Mexual yes, i understand
02:53 Mexual however i think the changes are only good
02:54 usagi Well according to studies, literacy rates have not improved among literate people.
02:54 usagi Meaning, among those who are literate, they are not "more literate" now than they were before the changes.
02:54 Mexual your statistics are bullshit
02:54 Mexual thats a little ausralian for you
02:54 usagi My statistics? Sorry, I was quoting J.E. Dew :)
02:54 Mexual either way
02:55 Mexual the thing you say first is what peopl hear
02:55 usagi So who do you follow in linguistics then?
02:55 Mexual yes
02:55 Mexual what do you know of japan?
02:56 usagi Cuz im just saying, if you aren't following the latest trends in linguistics, then of course you wouldn't know about the studies surrounding literacy in China.
02:56 usagi In that case I would rather talk about something else, my time is rather limited
02:56 Mexual do tell us brother usagi
02:56 usagi Are you offering to pay me to educate you?
02:57 Mexual i would like to hear what you have to say
02:57 usagi Well like I said my time is limited, I don't really "do" education of this sort, but I've already mentioned J.E. Dew, look up "6000 Chinese Characters", it mentions literacy trends over several corpus studies like BLI and CYY done in China.
02:58 usagi or not, lol.
02:58 Mexual dont link some other fuck, tell us what you think
02:58 usagi I think you're fucking noob.
02:58 HeySteve hey wasn't there a bitbet about russian forces in ukraine?
02:58 HeySteve because http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-14/putin-punks-west-again-guardian-reports-russian-troops-enter-ukraine
02:59 assbot Putin Punks West (Again): Russian Troops Enter Ukraine, Guardian Reports | Zero Hedge
03:05 Mexual i thought i was educating you , usagi, if we move onto japane, youu may feel hurt
03:07 usagi It's ok.
03:07 Mexual if you claim to be one some thing,
03:09 Mexual in japan the comparasin is different
03:10 usagi I'm not sure what you mean, but if you have some honest advice I will take it from the source it's given.
03:10 Mexual shall we meet again?
03:11 usagi My answer would be the same
03:12 cazalla what's with weeaboos and scamming
03:12 Mexual wgar answe is that?
03:13 usagi Well like I said, what do you think I should do? Do you have any advice?
03:14 Mexual i apologise for digressingf romthe theme
03:14 cazalla !up usagi
03:14 Mexual what is the question?
03:14 cazalla channel is typically quiet around this time
03:15 usagi cazalla; Are you asking me? Question came out of nowhere :)
03:16 Mexual ;;8ball
03:16 gribble _I_ don't know.
03:17 Mexual can i amke it in tokyo next to the emporers palace? ;;8ball
03:17 Mexual ;;8ball
03:17 gribble _I_ don't know.
03:17 usagi I sense a theme.
03:18 Mexual i sense yu are wrong
03:18 usagi ;;8ball
03:18 gribble It shall be.
03:18 usagi Guess so :)
03:19 Mexual what can you tell us of tokyo?
03:20 usagi Dunno, never been there.
03:20 Mexual maxico city?
03:20 usagi Nope, sorry.
03:20 Mexual sydney?
03:20 usagi Uh uh
03:20 Mexual perth?
03:21 usagi Well, the Perth mint is located in Perth. Apparently.
03:21 usagi But other than that, no, I don't really know about Perth.
03:21 Mexual austin texas?
03:21 usagi I think pirate lives there.
03:21 Mexual they got guns too
03:21 Mexual bankok city?
03:22 Mexual srutgaard?
03:22 usagi Wouldn't know.
03:22 Mexual paris?
03:22 usagi It's closer to Wales than Bankok iirc
03:22 Mexual shenzen?
03:23 usagi It has a special economic zone.
03:23 usagi !up HeySteve
03:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 500 @ 0.00163312 = 0.8166 BTC [-] {10}
03:23 usagi Lol... assbot told me to up myself
03:24 usagi "go up youeself, usagi!!!" hahaha
03:24 Duffer1 it must like you
03:24 Duffer1 never seen that before hehe
03:24 Mexual jakarta
03:25 HeySteve heh
03:25 HeySteve !up aabtc
03:26 cazalla usagi, you said you didn't have much time but most people are doing other things at this time so you won't get many questions, may i suggest hanging around until some of those in the lordship show up
03:27 Mexual id hazard the lords dont gibe a flying fuck
03:28 cazalla well, i have my popcorn.gif at the ready just in case
03:28 usagi cazalla; Yeah I get that, but I'm in asia. I might stop by later tonight in U.S. primertime
03:29 usagi The thing you have to understand, is that most of the people who are tearing shit up about me are liars and/or hypocrites.
03:29 usagi For example, when tahoe-ldap lost their privkey people here were saying how sad it was. They lost over 300 btc
03:30 usagi But when I lost my privkey (along with approximately zero btc) I was called a criminal and a thief who had absconded with user's bitcoins
03:30 usagi It's a bit of a joke, actually. Some scammer turns up? Oh, must be the next usagi.
03:30 HeySteve usagi did someone else up you? that would explain why you can't up others
03:30 usagi Lol
03:30 cazalla HeySteve, i did
03:30 HeySteve oh right, makes sense then
03:31 punkman criminal negligence is a thing
03:31 Mexual id have a beer with you usagi. i love tetacle porn
03:31 usagi punkman; So is malicious criminal libel, ne?
03:31 punkman nonsense
03:32 usagi punkman; Usually, due to jurisdictional problems. However there have been a few recent developments.
03:32 usagi punkman; Let's just say, that if you want to talk specifics, I am here. Do you have any specifics?
03:33 punkman usagi: what do I care, I'm just here for the lulz
03:33 usagi punkman me too :)
03:33 punkman usagi, so you didn't lose any BTC?
03:33 Mexual if teflons is non stick, how do they get it on the saucepan?
03:34 usagi punkman; No, there were no bitcoins in the address. Later on I sent .15 of personal funds to the address by accident (instead of to my vps host), bit of a facepalm there but nothing serious
03:34 usagi punkman; You could say I "lost" btc buying a nas backup but I dunno, it's more of an asset really?
03:35 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr4wz4-27PY
03:35 assbot Ciara - Oh ft. Ludacris - YouTube
03:37 punkman here you go mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2s03sH1VgQ
03:37 assbot Lemon Jelly - '64 aka Go - YouTube
03:41 assbot usagi +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -5
03:41 Mexual punkman, it was months since i hit the desert trying to get xloser to mp
03:43 Mexual fourty days ans forty nights
03:45 Mexual i went very mad
03:45 punkman should've had less peyote
03:46 Mexual no peyote in this desert
03:46 Mexual just einstein
03:49 punkman https://buckysroom.org/photos/users/7016/resized/9b176eae533a43e144d042b4c4029543.jpg
03:50 xmj gentlemen
03:50 xmj does anyone have some international Freelance contracts lying around, and some NDAs?
03:50 xmj poke fluffypony mircea_popescu
03:50 RagnarDanneskjol yes, pls standby
03:50 Mexual i can write new ones
03:51 fluffypony xmj I have a standard freelancer contract we use that includes a non-disclosure and indemnity
03:51 xmj interesting
03:51 xmj fluffypony: in english, cross jurisdictions? or RSA specific?
03:52 fluffypony English, and it specifies resolution in SA, but the wording has been checked by attorneys in the US / Canada / Germany
03:52 fluffypony haven't had an issue thus far
03:52 xmj i love you
03:52 xmj fluffypony: can i paypal you some dollars and have that as libreoffice-readable?
03:52 Mexual ill drop the c word in court to cover my contracts
03:52 fluffypony it's plain text, I'll send it to you now
03:53 RagnarDanneskjol @ xmj http://pastebin.com/taHEtECK
03:53 assbot contractor agreement - Pastebin.com
03:53 RagnarDanneskjol that ones pretty basic, I got lotsa them
03:54 RagnarDanneskjol http://pastebin.com/0YQWRg7e
03:54 assbot nda - Pastebin.com
03:54 RagnarDanneskjol let me kno if you need somthin more specific
03:55 Mexual send bitcoin, o'll read it
03:56 RagnarDanneskjol ;;later tell mircea_popescu I fixded my keys, go ahead
03:56 gribble The operation succeeded.
03:56 trixisowned https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/t1.0-9/1660230_10101391997582482_7128564792374070253_n.jpg
03:57 Mexual god know you prolly missed something
03:58 Mexual which is what you py for
03:58 Mexual theoreitcally
04:00 jurov Andreas Antonopoulos Stares Into Your Soul << fu he can't stare straight
04:00 trixisowned ahahahaha
04:00 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0Sp500ZVI0
04:00 assbot Dr. Dre - Let Me Ride - YouTube
04:01 trixisowned https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52E8GOAqOAs
04:01 assbot Andreas Antonopoulos Stares Into Your Soul - YouTube
04:01 trixisowned needs to be linked again
04:02 Mexual !down usagi
04:02 Mexual !up usagi
04:03 xmj RagnarDanneskjol: thanks for the links
04:03 xmj RagnarDanneskjol: reading through them now
04:03 xmj RagnarDanneskjol: it's adjusted to United States legalese, correct?
04:03 RagnarDanneskjol more or less
04:04 xmj ah
04:06 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySgOds3bzcc
04:06 assbot Jack Nicholson in Easy Rider - YouTube
04:08 trixisowned http://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/fergusonSniper.jpg
04:09 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9EKqQWPjyo
04:09 assbot Bob Dylan - Things Have Changed - YouTube
04:11 xmj o-ho
04:11 xmj RagnarDanneskjol: i like the 40/40/20 billing
04:11 Mexual ohai
04:12 RagnarDanneskjol yea, most employers dont like it tho
04:12 Mexual i charge by the hour
04:13 xmj eh, i'm going to steal that and require it from my clients
04:13 Mexual itd mutuslly beneficial
04:13 xmj Mexual: So is correct orthography.
04:13 Mexual ueah well... you know
04:14 jurov Mexual you charge parring of fish by hour?
04:14 xmj 3 kinder surprise eggs per hour
04:16 cazalla xmj clearly never had a yowie (soon back on the market)
04:16 xmj whats that
04:16 * Mexual wondered if he was born of jurov
04:17 cazalla an aussie kinder surprise
04:18 jurov mexual come hither, my spawn
04:19 xmj so far i have not been in Australia
04:19 cazalla ;;ud yowie
04:19 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yowie | yowie. A squatchy creature who only eats peanut butter, cookies, and texas toast. It also prefers vodka over all other liquids. It traditionally has a HGR that is ...
04:19 Mexual i am frighten
04:20 xmj o dear god.
04:20 trixisowned http://semitolerable.tumblr.com/post/94787182624/i-dont-understand-what-she-thought-was-going-to
04:20 assbot , I dont understand what she thought was going to...
04:20 trixisowned omfg
04:20 xmj that sounds like one of the Lower castes of White Trash.
04:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.3089991 = 0.927 BTC [+]
04:22 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdpoIVGzHts
04:22 assbot Billy Bunks - Take The Bus - YouTube
04:23 Mexual frim cazalla town
04:23 xmj ah
04:23 xmj fluffypony: have you heard about this one ? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=711069.0
04:23 assbot 2014 Malla Autumn Retreat, Estonia (Sept 19-28)
04:24 Mexual fuck ill go to estonia with a case of booze
04:24 Mexual im all about the lulz
04:25 xmj why would you bring a case of booze to estonia?
04:25 xmj that's like bringing owls to athens.
04:25 Mexual coa i dont want to be blind
04:25 fluffypony xmj: yes - was considering going, but probably won't make it
04:25 Mexual as above
04:25 xmj i'll be in sofia @ http://2014.eurobsdcon.org
04:25 assbot EuroBSDcon 2014 | 25-28th of September 2014 – IEC, Sofia, Bulgaria
04:26 Mexual good luck to ya
04:26 xmj many people do conferences in late september, all overlapping, it's annoying
04:26 Mexual website looks like mpes
04:27 Mexual that cartoon dragon tells me you shouldnt get too drunk
04:29 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzYdPMVZsRQ
04:29 assbot Billy Bunks - Dr Suckbooze.wmv - YouTube
04:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.30000006 = 0.9 BTC [-] {2}
04:31 Mexual sinkin more piss than a swim team
04:33 Mexual !up usagi
04:34 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xS4BdvdRZk
04:34 assbot Billy Bunks - Evolve - YouTube
04:39 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr1s40S_8PY
04:39 assbot Leonor Varela Hell Ride 1 - YouTube
04:39 punkman "Summer Retreat (Aug 8-18)" "Autumn Retreat (Sept 19-28) "
04:39 punkman xmj, year-round retreat?
04:40 punkman I like that he still starts with the fake picture
04:41 xmj i don't know them
04:41 xmj fluffypony has been in Malla :)
04:41 punkman oh thought you went up there together
04:41 fluffypony punkman: the main building still has many months of restoration work
04:42 punkman fluffypony: or years
04:42 fluffypony yep
04:42 xmj punkman: i'm too poor for this entourage
04:42 fluffypony but there are out-building that are very nicely done up
04:42 * xmj chuckles
04:42 usagi I have to leave soon, but I'd like to say again if anyone needs anything, has a questions or concern/etc, I'm here to answer questions and statements regarding my businesses
04:43 fluffypony usagi: how are your backups going?
04:44 xmj ZFS I hope
04:44 usagi fluffypony: We have a DS-413 running on a wireless network, and a secondary server on bluehost will be set up.
04:44 Mexual usagi, gonnoreah goes unchecked here
04:46 usagi Actually I am really thinking of adding a DS213 air to the mix for redundancy, I like Synology's software.
04:48 usagi I've also set up a small mirror on my macbook which then goes out via time machine to a 1TB Toshiba drive. It should be okay now
04:48 Mexual suely you tro;;
04:49 Mexual *troll
04:51 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6IpFMsRfp4
04:51 assbot Sleepy Brown - Margarita ft. Pharrell Williams, Big Boi - YouTube
04:52 usagi Mexual: Well with the wonders of personal cloud technology, you just set up a synced folder on a bunch of different devices for redundancy and you're good to go
04:53 Mexual indeed
04:54 xmj there was this german company who called one of their product lines NSA
04:54 xmj iirc it was a backup drive
04:55 xmj so you could back up your stuff to the NSA and some accompanying software would facilitate things.
04:56 usagi http://www.zyxel.com/aspx/ProductTab.aspx?pid=20080220094256&idx=1&c=de&l=de
04:56 assbot Technische Daten - NSA-2401 | ZyXEL
04:56 usagi Features: o Support rsync for NSA to NSA and NSA to PC
04:57 usagi Lol they must have hired usagi to write their technical manuals or something
04:57 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktjDWucN1p4
04:57 assbot Snoop Dogg-20 Dollars To My Name - YouTube
04:58 Mexual lemonade stand
04:59 Mexual i spent 2 years tech drawing
05:00 Mexual i even go phone calls
05:01 Mexual noone ver said i explained something improprtly
05:05 cazalla you drinking Mexual
05:06 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACUCVTH6f0g yes
05:06 assbot Easy Rider - Freedom spoken by Jack Nicholson - YouTube
05:07 cazalla what are you drinking? i'm downing a few beers myself
05:07 Mexual tequila
05:08 cazalla i should've guessed, that was obvious
05:08 Mexual i usually dribj scotch
05:09 cazalla what sort
05:09 cazalla i like jw black, not bad for price
05:10 Mexual neer hrard o blsck
05:10 Mexual b lue?
05:11 cazalla never had blue tbh
05:11 Mexual oh, black
05:11 cazalla $100 is my cut off
05:12 Mexual urah
05:12 cazalla i should buy one just to try though
05:12 cazalla been drinking beer lately though
05:12 Mexual no, black is the same
05:13 cazalla i bought the double black which is a little more $ but it wasn't as good as the black imo
05:13 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgiQPdPUNvs
05:13 assbot Easy Rider - Joints & Venusians - YouTube
05:23 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKvA3AN3ApY
05:23 assbot Astronomy Class - Four Barang In A Tuk-Tuk (Audio) - YouTube
05:27 Mexual kids in portland just had a dufferent upbringding
05:29 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mwNbTL3pOs
05:29 assbot Nicki Minaj - Lookin Ass (Explicit) - YouTube
05:32 Mexual yeah um jeeping the diamonds
05:34 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j47MYli8pj4
05:34 assbot Busta Rhymes - #TWERKIT (Explicit) ft. Nicki Minaj - YouTube
05:39 Mexual roll like ebolA
05:39 Mexual missa a trick i told ya
05:43 Mexual mr womp will actually kill you
05:43 punkman http://en.gandi.net/domain/price/detail/hiv/
05:43 assbot Gandi Rates - .hiv domain names
05:43 Mexual of necssitate definately link you
05:43 xmj dear god
05:44 xmj Mexual: please stop changing names
05:44 Mexual its onlu one letter
05:44 xmj exactly, it works around my ignore list.
05:45 Mexual cool shit bro
05:46 punkman couple more letters and you can upgrade to Mezcal
05:46 Mexual ooj, i dont have the csctus for that
05:48 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcsEop0NPGM
05:48 assbot ODB- Brooklyn Zoo Video - YouTube
05:53 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hUrR44RlcY
05:53 assbot Not Many - The Remix! -Scribe (Official Music Video) - YouTube
05:55 BigBitz ODB & Brooklyn Zoo nice.
05:55 BigBitz ++++
05:55 Mexual tru dat, hes deded
05:56 BigBitz he is died.
05:57 Mexual indybutably
05:57 Mexual however we continue
05:57 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95fx6hklgKs
05:57 assbot Savage - Moonshine ft. Akon - YouTube
05:58 cazalla you listen to too much nigger music Mexual
06:00 cazalla guess ya not a true aussie battler
06:00 cazalla ;;ud aussie battler
06:00 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=aussie%20battler | aussie battler. An Australian worker, who is set against by hard working conditions and a tough environment, who perserveres despite the odds being stacked ...
06:00 cazalla lol fkn has it
06:02 Mexual let me endulge you melbourne fucj
06:02 cazalla hey, i wasn't born here
06:02 Mexual yeah but i know what u dont like
06:03 cazalla allow me to indulge you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cohkaLM3AjQ
06:03 assbot John Williamson - True Blue - YouTube
06:05 Mexual thi reminds me of when dub omly played waltzing matilda
06:05 Mexual nut he dint get it
06:09 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajeL87l3prM
06:09 assbot Billy Bunks - Devil's Clay - YouTube
06:11 cazalla into the trash it goes
06:12 cazalla i don't mind matty b though
06:12 cazalla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hYxmrzQAgM
06:12 assbot Matty B - "I'm A Joke" - YouTube
06:12 cazalla althought https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMYWC0tMZsk is more suitable for this evening
06:12 assbot Matty B - Fridays - YouTube
06:13 Mexual play im a joke first
06:14 Mexual u sure u not italian?
06:14 cazalla positive, you?
06:15 Mexual nope , im kinda dark
06:15 cazalla what's ya background
06:16 Mexual play fridaysa again for the orientals
06:16 Mexual 32 east
06:16 cazalla lebo?
06:16 Mexual me?
06:17 Mexual its friday
06:17 Mexual irush hamas
06:18 cazalla interesting
06:18 cazalla terrorists both sides eh
06:18 Mexual yeah any tribe
06:21 cazalla that's alright
06:21 Mexual excellent choice matty b
06:22 cazalla as my missus reminds, my parents were not even born here, she's been here since convict days yet i'm more opposed to immigration than her
06:22 cazalla my cousin (the one that knew choppa) met him a few times in perth
06:23 Mexual who is choppa?
06:23 cazalla chopper reid
06:24 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbsfupH8W1o
06:24 assbot Men at Work - Down under LIVE in Dortmund - YouTube
06:24 Mexual mad cunt
06:25 cazalla who, choppa or men at work?
06:25 cazalla maybe both?
06:25 Mexual choppa
06:25 Mexual deaded than kill tho
06:26 Mexual meen at work still a th‌ing
06:26 cazalla my mother has pics of him with my dead cousin in little memorial area in the loungeroom
06:26 Mexual yeah coz u melb mafia
06:26 cazalla it's weird, anyone that comes over, this is my omas and opas, this is my uncle, this is my cousin and this is choppa
06:26 cazalla to my parents that is
06:26 cazalla mafia hardly
06:27 Mexual define
06:27 cazalla cousin was a wannabe
06:27 cazalla who likely was done up by drug squad
06:27 cazalla can access police archives next year (10 years)
06:27 cazalla inquest didn't discover fuck all
06:29 Mexual yeah well
06:30 cazalla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj-82dn75bg
06:30 assbot Divinyls Pleasure And Pain - YouTube
06:30 cazalla shame she died
06:30 Mexual wee noth know
06:30 cazalla missus looks like her
06:30 Mexual ;p;
06:31 Mexual good stiff
06:31 Mexual *stuff, please dont kill me
06:31 cazalla lol
06:31 cazalla i only kill rabbits
06:31 cazalla fox got in other night
06:31 cazalla fucking cunts they are
06:31 cazalla upended cages, dug holes
06:32 chetty so much spam here this morning :(
06:32 cazalla bit the leg off a bunny
06:32 cazalla had to kill it
06:32 Mexual you'll do wel on the apple
06:33 Mexual a birf tells me its a good move
06:33 Mexual place is on the yp and up
06:35 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAgnJDJN4VA
06:35 assbot AC/DC - Back in Black - YouTube
06:35 cazalla Mexual, look at this shit http://imgur.com/dfLnhjB
06:35 assbot imgur: the simple image sharer
06:36 cazalla i had 2 rabbits in cage with just water so i could butcher following day
06:36 cazalla fkn foxes came same night
06:36 cazalla poor thing was still alive
06:37 Mexual fuck i thoihjt that was gonna be me licKung a hammrt
06:37 cazalla lol
06:37 cazalla last time they were here, they killed all my chickens
06:38 Mexual just a red eyed bunny
06:38 Mexual foxes?
06:38 cazalla yeah, big problem in melbourne
06:39 Mexual melb is alwys going on about how its like london
06:39 cazalla what, immigrants galore? yeah
06:40 cazalla they can't get to my breeding stock
06:40 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxjdg_D5YQY
06:40 assbot Wiley - Wearing My Rolex (Official Music Video) - YouTube
06:41 cazalla rolex? you don't read tlp?
06:41 Mexual i dont have a watch
06:41 Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 86(Y):14(N) by coin, 87(Y):13(N) by weight. Total bet: 1308.85848814 BTC. Current weight: 54,723.
06:42 Mexual that foxtel bitch was blinged up
06:42 Mexual go figure
06:43 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ5KlZNh1WA
06:43 assbot Official Video: Snoop Lion "La La La" (prod. Major Lazer) - YouTube
06:45 Mexual piy uoir hand up if you have a questiob
06:45 cazalla tbh we have foxtel but missus pays for it because i refuse as i don't want it
06:45 Mexual cross eyed fucker
06:46 Mexual i dont buy i either, i like the saleswomen
06:47 cazalla there's nothing on, i don't know why she wants it
06:48 Mexual its bullshit
06:49 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u6DcnNuIPw
06:49 assbot Snoop Lion - Tired of Running [Music Video] - YouTube
06:49 cazalla $100 month out of her own pocket is cheap to shut her up though
06:49 Mexual ouch
06:49 cazalla i like this snoop track https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dem1UxdwZWU
06:49 assbot 2Pac Feat. Snoop Dogg - Wanted Dead or Alive (HQ) - YouTube
06:49 Mexual these nuts
06:50 cazalla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f3XuKiPzbM good too
06:50 assbot Snoop Dogg - Vapors (Official Video) - YouTube
06:57 Mexual so vapour
06:57 Mexual i might have to exit if i wasnt mecyal
06:59 Mexual when i come to the north i bring my own fuxkin vikings
07:02 Mexual punch a moose. no guns
07:03 cazalla you must be drunker than i am
07:04 Mexual yes
07:04 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWFb5z3kUSQ
07:04 assbot Fever Ray 'Keep The Streets Empty For Me' - YouTube
07:04 cazalla last longneck and then i'm done :\
07:04 Mexual you get drunk once a motnh
07:05 cazalla me?
07:05 cazalla 1-2 times a week atm
07:05 Mexual you
07:05 cazalla i stopped for like a month but this fkn kid and the crying
07:06 cazalla i do morning/lunch shift (she uses machine to express milk) so i have arvo/evening to myself
07:06 Mexual imma take moeity to the summit of ben nevis
07:06 cazalla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ofrqm6-LCqs
07:06 assbot Midnight Oil - Blue Sky Mine - YouTube
07:07 cazalla who's gonna save me?
07:08 Mexual union?
07:08 Mexual vex?
07:10 RagnarDanneskjol http://benalpert.com/2012/08/03/preventing-xss-json.html
07:10 assbot Preventing XSS attacks when embedding JSON in HTML – Ben Alpert
07:11 cazalla Mexual, union lol, useless
07:12 Mexual im a one man union
07:12 Mexual better than bitrcoin 2.0
07:14 Mexual whos gonna save me?
07:15 Mexual then you change your tune wutha new hat
07:15 Mexual my hat went missing
07:16 Mexual that was a good hat
07:16 ben_vulpes here's an odd thing: "*** You can't join #bitcoin-court because you're banned (+b)"
07:16 Mexual ever had a hat stolen ben?
07:17 Mexual grrr
07:18 ben_vulpes interestingly, yes.
07:18 Mexual my vest fedora ever
07:18 ben_vulpes maybe just amusingly.
07:18 Mexual got lost atop a lever
07:18 Mexual a man from afar
07:18 Mexual showed me a jar
07:19 Mexual and my hat gto swapped for some lkweather
07:19 Mexual *leather
07:20 Mexual nessitating asterixes since b4 benkjayu jay here
07:20 Mexual *was
07:21 Mexual i am tequila
07:22 cazalla i'm empty :\
07:22 cazalla knew 3 long necks was not enough but at least i won't regret tonight tomorrow
07:23 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML9h3I5Uktw
07:23 assbot GANGgajang - Sounds Of Then (This Is Australia) - YouTube
07:23 ben_vulpes danielpbarron: your otc profile's getting hilarious
07:30 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqjoHKISCVU
07:30 assbot YouTube Ram Jam Black Betty - YouTube
07:31 Mexual slovakisran!
07:34 cazalla that's why i like danielpbarron, he keeps on true to his ideals regardless of the negs
07:35 Mexual louisiana is rioting?
07:36 danielpbarron heh, usagi contacted me on twitter because apparently he is a "christian" and wants to go at it from that "angle"
07:36 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVeyC849E54
07:36 assbot Creedence Clearwater Revival - Lookin' Out My Back Door - YouTube
07:37 Mexual are you the google hangoi guy?
07:37 danielpbarron one of them
07:37 Mexual the one without the dogexoin tshirt?
07:39 danielpbarron i wasn't "in" the hangout; I was asking questions in the troll box
07:40 Mexual oh, you arent the cross eyed guy?
07:40 Mexual did they ansder any questions?
07:41 Mexual there as almist 10 people wyavhing
07:41 danielpbarron nope
07:41 Mexual watching
07:42 Mexual and they pretty much said altcouns ar ecool
07:45 chetty <danielpbarron> heh, usagi contacted me on twitter because apparently he is a "christian" and wants to go at it from that "angle"//being christian is an angle?
07:45 cazalla Mexual, they didn't answer shit from trollbox
07:46 danielpbarron he wants me to remove my rating on him; is it true that he didn't actually lose any BTC?
07:47 BigBitz you mean you rated based on conjecture?
07:47 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqSKVv6YO8g
07:47 assbot The DL - Amy Winehouse 'Valerie' Live - YouTube
07:48 danielpbarron no, read the rating; i used his own words
07:48 danielpbarron at the time he was still looking for a backup or something
07:48 danielpbarron I guess he found it?
07:50 BigBitz "Now that I have recovered everything except the wallet file the actual loss should be pegged at less than $2,000, twelve hundred of which is the cost point of our new backup system."
07:51 BigBitz seems a lot less than $10K - which is good.
07:55 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7NENSbrSl4
07:55 assbot Michael Buble - Feeling Good - Lyrics - YouTube
07:56 Mexual pous
07:59 ben_vulpes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz0YvS-rSUQ
07:59 assbot Black Rebel Motorcycle Club - B.R.M.C. (2001) [Full Album] - YouTube
08:00 Mexual 12teen and shit
08:01 Mexual down and out
08:03 Mexual lost in portland
08:03 Mexual play it again
08:04 Mexual i just saw a nubbins poster and ill ner drink tequila again
08:05 Mexual !b1
08:12 Mexual shit a brick, thats exactly how frogger is played
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08:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.25500001 = 7.65 BTC [-]
08:25 Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Silver price over $23/oz in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/972/ Odds: 44(Y):56(N) by coin, 51(Y):49(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.26206987 BTC. Current weight: 69,417.
08:37 ben_vulpes "Getting an email address was once a nerdy right of passage for Gen-Xers arriving on college campuses." << *sigh*
08:41 ben_vulpes http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/08/advertising-is-the-internets-original-sin/376041/
08:41 assbot The Internet's Original Sin - The Atlantic
08:41 ben_vulpes unrelated
08:46 ben_vulpes "Companies like Facebook want get as much of that money as possible, which means chasing users and reach.", "This personalization means that two readers of The New York Times may seen a very different picture of the world" << dear atlantic. not paying for competent proofreading is why your ad rates suck.
08:46 ben_vulpes !s atlantic
08:46 assbot 53 results for 'atlantic' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=atlantic
08:58 ben_vulpes (although i did get this out of it: http://idlewords.com/2006/04/argentina_on_two_steaks_a_day.htm)
08:58 assbot 404 Not Found
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09:18 chetty <ben_vulpes> (although i did get this out of it: http://idlewords.com/2006/04/argentina_on_two_steaks_a_day.htm)// pretty good article on argentine eating habits
09:18 assbot 404 Not Found
09:27 mod6 %d
09:27 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 169319.11 in 1980 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -90.98
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10:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.294 = 1.176 BTC [+]
10:42 copain_reac ;;seen mircea_popescu
10:42 gribble mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 hours, 9 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> trixisowned typical name for a slavegirl, to indicate that well... she's owned.
10:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [BTM] 305 @ 0.0018 = 0.549 BTC
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12:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 2.66855470 BTC to 29`438 shares, 9065 satoshi per share
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12:23 wywialm hi all
12:34 danielpbarron hi
12:42 wywialm ;;later tell mircea_popescu re:La Serenissima and personal sovereignty. What about limited liability as a concept? To the dustbin, may stay as it is (how?), or only in the form of limited partnership with at least one partner assuming unlimited liability?
12:42 gribble The operation succeeded.
12:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 387 @ 0.00163 = 0.6308 BTC [-]
12:43 wywialm if anyone else has some ideas re limited liability as well, please let me know
12:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 643 @ 0.00162 = 1.0417 BTC [-]
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13:13 danielpbarron !up thestringpuller
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13:29 ben_vulpes wywialm: there is no recourse in bitcoin.
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14:34 wywialm ben_vulpes: from S.WOL Listing Agreement "4.2. The liability of any person or entity party to this contract, either direct, indirect, incidental, tortious, punitive, exemplary or otherwise shall in no case exceed such sums as may be proven that person or entity has in fact received through the working of this contract. Signatories and investors agree to indemnify and hold harmless any
14:34 wywialm party from any claims that may exceed such sums. "
14:37 wywialm this probably serves as a partial answer to my question to MP
14:52 mircea_popescu wywialm well, what about it ?
14:52 mircea_popescu seems to me limited liability is not directly involved in the discussion. it's true that there's at work in the fiat world this mechanism whereby liability is limited automatically, in order to conceptually prop the corporation.
14:53 mircea_popescu we don't need that mechanism, nor does it have much value really. without it, limited liability survives just fine.
14:54 mircea_popescu a fine example of how problematic this is : financial services, because they are companies, are also unliable. meanwhile, medical services, which aren't companies, are liable. the result ? rampant financial speculation exploiting the public resources of local authorities, and unaffordable healthcare.
14:55 mircea_popescu what if limited liability weren't improperly tied to the notion of corporation ? like it worked in the soviet union : medical practice is unliable, and so cheap and affordable.
14:55 mircea_popescu of course they also made financial speculation liable in excess of sanity, which didn't work out for them on a macro scale, but the point remains : there's no good reason to exploit the concept of limited liability as a sort of exclusive monogamous relationship with the company.
14:55 mircea_popescu the latter's too ugly, or as the kids today say, has no smv.
14:56 mircea_popescu and also, had you asked this on teh blog post, this comment'd have ended up on the blogpost. now it;s on the log. if some guy reads the post six months from now, i'll remember it, but vaguely, and i'll say "it's in the logs". how does that help him ?
14:57 mircea_popescu so remember folks! whenever you ask here about a trilema post instead of asking in that post's comment section, you are helping communism.
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15:18 Bet placed: 1.16685734 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $450 before September" http://bitbet.us/bet/1010/ Odds: 23(Y):77(N) by coin, 17(Y):83(N) by weight. Total bet: 15.65008056 BTC. Current weight: 41,760.
15:29 xmj ;;gettrust xmj benkay
15:29 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user xmj to user benkay: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=xmj&dest=benkay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=benkay | Rated since: never
15:30 xmj boo
15:30 xmj ;;gettrust xmj ben_vulpes
15:30 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask ben_vulpes!~user@unaffiliated/benkay. Trust relationship from user xmj to user ben_vulpes: Level 1: 3, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=xmj&dest=ben_vulpes | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ben_vulpes | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013
15:30 xmj how do i update the notes on people i've ranked before, then?
15:31 mircea_popescu ;;rate x number new note
15:31 gribble Error: 'number' is not a valid integer.
15:42 wywialm ;;rate mircea_popescu 2 insightful and helpful
15:42 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded.
15:43 wywialm thanks for your answer. I'll remember to post further questions in the comments
15:52 punkman "Using his spreadsheets, this unknown agency was calling his debtors and collecting debt that was rightfully his. The debtors, of course, had no way of knowing who actually owned the debt. Nor did they have any reason to suspect that they might be paying thieves. They were simply being told they owed the money and had to pay."
15:52 punkman http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/08/15/magazine/bad-paper-debt-collector.html
15:52 assbot Log In - The New York Times
15:52 punkman "This was not a problem Siegel was used to handling. There had been no classes at Simon Business School on how to apprehend crooks who appropriated your assets. "
16:03 asciilifeform 'The debtors, of course, had no way of knowing who actually owned the debt. Nor did they have any reason to suspect that they might be paying thieves. They were simply being told they owed the money and had to pay.' << why should the wretches care - which thief ?
16:05 asciilifeform in usa, 'tax farming' - in the form of the bezzlatron described in the link - is SOP.
16:05 asciilifeform somebody call dr. guilliotin's exterminator service.
16:06 asciilifeform (what's a tax farmer? read about why antoine lavoisier, better known as a great chemist, lost his head.)
16:13 asciilifeform 'Federal Trade Commission notes on its website: “Although the collector may not sue you to collect the debt, you still owe it.' << how exactly does this work in bezzleworld ?
16:14 mircea_popescu heh.
16:14 mircea_popescu wywialm i take it that made sense ?
16:15 mircea_popescu "There had been no classes at Simon Business School on how to apprehend crooks who appropriated your assets." <<< what a shitty school.
16:15 mircea_popescu never mentions conversion ? rly ?
16:16 asciilifeform 'Border Patrol says that debts and “financial issues” may render candidates “unsuitable” for service.' << gold. how many of the stuffed uniforms are technically eligible to work, then
16:16 mircea_popescu a third or so.
16:17 wywialm yeah, sounds ok to me
16:17 mircea_popescu actually the latest (secret!!1) data shows about half of all us secret service empoyees across the whole shebang (yes, including the soopar-sikrit outfits, heh), just a shade above half are actually legally working
16:17 mircea_popescu the rest got in through ppl closing eyes to this that or the other, cause well... gotta fill the seats.
16:17 asciilifeform 'secret' << it was blown open in the 'washington post' afaik
16:18 mircea_popescu osmething like that.
16:18 asciilifeform usa is ripe for 'protection market'
16:18 asciilifeform what's a silenced .22 round cost? a penny?
16:19 mircea_popescu well in this sene, what's a gallon of screwdrivers cost ?
16:19 mircea_popescu ten bux ?
16:19 asciilifeform lol
16:20 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ever play sid meier's 'colonization' ?
16:20 mircea_popescu yup
16:20 asciilifeform 'colonists held the Boston Horse Party, where sixteen tons of horses were thrown overboard...'
16:21 mircea_popescu i fixed it by hexediting because trhe prices in amsterdam made no sense.
16:21 asciilifeform lol, same, more or less
16:21 mircea_popescu and also, the winingstrat was... 4 towns, all fortresses.
16:22 mircea_popescu (and also, you could hexedit the map. i made a 6 ore deposit - 4 sugarcane - 4 tobascco - 6 wheat island once0
16:22 asciilifeform lol!
16:22 mircea_popescu and liumberjacks were useless.
16:22 mircea_popescu the correct way to get wood ? like irl.
16:23 mircea_popescu build abandonable colony, cut wood acros it (with hardy pioneers)
16:23 mircea_popescu wagon to town.
16:23 mircea_popescu and ill bbl.
16:28 penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/my-life-is-hard-but-unfair-so-is-yours/
16:43 wywialm good night, folks
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17:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.296 = 0.888 BTC [+]
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17:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1140 @ 0.00156113 = 1.7797 BTC [-] {18}
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17:42 trixisowned https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGKQJowXxcE#t=392
17:42 assbot Best News Bloopers 2014 - YouTube
17:42 trixisowned here guys
17:42 trixisowned im sure you would like this part
17:42 trixisowned of the video
17:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 56 @ 0.0118 = 0.6608 BTC [-] {3}
18:04 mike_c ben_vulpes, you around?
18:05 mike_c ;;seen ben_vulpes
18:05 gribble ben_vulpes was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 hours, 36 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <ben_vulpes> wywialm: there is no recourse in bitcoin.
18:07 mike_c well, when you see this. i can't login in to van-ads, and my ads don't seem to be running.
18:09 mike_c ok, got login to work.. i get "mnope" two out of three times.
18:11 Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $450 before September" http://bitbet.us/bet/1010/ Odds: 28(Y):72(N) by coin, 20(Y):80(N) by weight. Total bet: 16.70008056 BTC. Current weight: 41,312.
18:17 mike_c and i finally saw an ad. i guess i'm just a cheapskate. close my customer support ticket.
18:17 assbot theodred +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
18:20 kakobrekla !up theodred
18:21 theodred kakobrekla: ty
18:21 theodred it usually works. has something been changed?
18:21 kakobrekla dunno, your rating ?
18:22 kakobrekla or your raters ratings
18:24 theodred as I said.. it usually works. anyways, how goes it?
18:27 kakobrekla survivable.
18:28 theodred one of those kinda days eh?
18:28 BingoBoingo ;;ticker
18:28 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 500.8, Best ask: 502.33, Bid-ask spread: 1.53000, Last trade: 500.79, 24 hour volume: 16568.42856170, 24 hour low: 481.55, 24 hour high: 521.79, 24 hour vwap: 501.108515649
18:32 cazalla apologies to anyone reading last nights dribble
18:32 cazalla wonder how vexual is feeling this morning
18:36 BingoBoingo You mean Mexual...
18:37 ben_vulpes looks like the character's doing a slow transform from vexual to muXne
18:39 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Muxne is the name of his pet key, Vexual is the name of his voice
18:42 ben_vulpes bewilderment
18:42 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: You mean bexwualderment
18:43 ben_vulpes buxderpalment
18:45 ben_vulpes maybe i'll key my keyid tatooed on my knuckles
18:46 ben_vulpes get* my
18:46 ben_vulpes ugh guys i suck at sales
18:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 390 @ 0.00155001 = 0.6045 BTC [-]
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19:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 811 @ 0.00155 = 1.2571 BTC [-]
19:11 mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot theodred
19:11 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user theodred: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=theodred | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=theodred | Rated since: never
19:11 mircea_popescu when did it usually work ?
19:13 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
19:13 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 501.27, Best ask: 502.98, Bid-ask spread: 1.71000, Last trade: 501.26, 24 hour volume: 16713.65731601, 24 hour low: 481.55, 24 hour high: 521.79, 24 hour vwap: 501.109066316
19:13 assbot theodred +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
19:14 mircea_popescu !up theodred
19:15 mircea_popescu !up guest3476
19:15 theodred ty
19:15 theodred mircea_popescu: see pm
19:16 mircea_popescu well okay. so voice is an ever changing beast.
19:17 BigBitz mircea_popescu send me 100BTC.
19:18 mircea_popescu what for ?
19:18 BigBitz So I can go to Vegas.
19:18 theodred mircea_popescu: are you greek?
19:19 mircea_popescu theodred no, i'm romanian.
19:19 mircea_popescu BigBitz there's plenty of people in vegas already you know.
19:20 BigBitz mircea_popescu sure. But I am not one of them.
19:20 BigBitz With your 100BTC I will document a trip to Vegas where I bet the whole amount on one roulette spin.
19:20 mircea_popescu now how would i know.
19:20 mircea_popescu or else, i could document the best porterhouse steak in the history of porter houses everywhere.
19:21 mircea_popescu i've just had it.
19:21 theodred mircea_popescu: nice.. ah, the ending escu in ur last name.. came to mind.
19:21 BigBitz We can do that also.
19:21 BigBitz mircea_popescu you can meet me there.
19:21 theodred porterhouse steaks? need cast iron for that
19:22 mircea_popescu theodred that's typically romanian an ending. like -ian for armenians.
19:22 BigBitz Portherhouse Waygu.
19:22 BigBitz Nice.
19:22 BigBitz Wagyu, even.
19:22 mircea_popescu and yes, it was served on a little stovelet at the table, with embers.
19:26 mircea_popescu in other news, if anyone was ever curious, i give you horse vices.
19:26 mircea_popescu http://redemption86.hubpages.com/hub/horse-vices
19:26 assbot Crib Biting & Wind Sucking
19:26 BigBitz mircea_popescu ... the 100BTC ?
19:27 BigBitz ;;calc 100 * [ticker --last]
19:27 gribble 50600
19:27 BigBitz chump change, for you, mircea_popescu :)
19:28 mircea_popescu i'd rather do something useful with it nevertheless.
19:28 BigBitz Fair.
19:28 BigBitz I would agree with that sentiment.
19:34 copumpkin man, bitcoin crashing, mpoe crashing
19:34 copumpkin nothing worth living for
19:35 BigBitz !copumpkinprice
19:35 BigBitz !copumpkinprice
19:35 mircea_popescu i hear great things about that bloomingdale's executives programme.
19:35 BigBitz :(
19:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 811 @ 0.00158728 = 1.2873 BTC [+] {4}
19:48 mircea_popescu justusranvier so what is this, basically an awkward rework of the b-a voice model without acknowledging the source and practical use thereof ?
19:48 mircea_popescu you trying to become an academic or something ?
19:48 ben_vulpes ;;ticker
19:48 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 500.79, Best ask: 500.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 500.99, 24 hour volume: 16601.42555722, 24 hour low: 481.55, 24 hour high: 521.79, 24 hour vwap: 501.157795826
19:48 ben_vulpes !t m s.mpoe
19:48 assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0007262 / 0.00077981 / 0.00088145 (3038672 shares, 2,369.61 BTC), 30D: 0.0007262 / 0.00081849 / 0.00094217 (12921666 shares, 10,576.28 BTC)
19:48 ben_vulpes !h
19:48 assbot List of commands:
19:48 assbot !up (desc: sending it via PM will voice you on chan given sufficient WOT rating)
19:48 assbot !up <nick> (desc: sending it on chan will give <nick> voice for 30 minutes)
19:48 assbot !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
19:48 assbot !last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
19:48 assbot !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
19:48 assbot !rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
19:48 assbot !exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
19:48 assbot !jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)
19:48 assbot !bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}
19:48 assbot !quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}
19:48 mircea_popescu kakobrekla maybe time to move that to a pastebin ?
19:48 ben_vulpes is there a book?
19:49 justusranvier mircea_popescu: It's an idea for a tool designed more for in-person, non currency trades
19:50 justusranvier Also more globally scalable
19:50 mircea_popescu ...
19:51 justusranvier If you're going to speak about credit though, as far as I know I was the first person to suggest ising GPG-signed ratings for Bitcoin trading.
19:51 mircea_popescu there's nothing wrong with seeing something you like and trying to understand how it works, or implement it. there is however something wrong with seeing something you like and imagining you invented it. that something is that in exchange for the stroking of vanity, it also isolates you from the exact people you don't really want to be isolated from, id est, those people who actually do the things you like.
19:53 mircea_popescu well that's what it is, this reads to me like someone joined b-a and went "you know what ? ima make an altcoin!!1"
19:53 justusranvier https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=484.msg6139#msg6139
19:53 assbot List of honest traders.
19:53 justusranvier ^ my first forum account
19:57 mircea_popescu that's pretty much right, yeah.
19:57 mircea_popescu can you still sign with that account ?
19:58 justusranvier I lost the password forum account, and don't have the email it was linked to any more. I may have an archived PGP key around somewhere that was linked to it though.
19:58 justusranvier I'd love to recover it for nostalgic purposes
19:59 mircea_popescu anyway. yes, that's the concept, it's not particularly novel or revolutionary, even if everyone from facebook to amazon ratings implements it very very badly.
20:00 mircea_popescu the reasons it's not well implemented are in no sense scientifical, but purely political, and so the solution isn't going to come from writing it up, but from a willingness to work with others already doing it.
20:00 justusranvier Of course.
20:00 mircea_popescu so in this sense "stop being stupid and use the b-a model" is about a billion times more effectual than "here's how you could do it theoretically"
20:00 mircea_popescu or at least, that's what i think on the matter.
20:01 justusranvier Mostly I just want people to start thinking along the lines of how to harden existing systems specifically different threat models than those they are accustomed to combating.
20:01 justusranvier I gave an example implementation, but it's purpose is mostly a thought exercise.
20:02 justusranvier I do think that invitation-only networks have a role in the future, and creating incentives for proper vetting will be important, however those are accomplshed.
20:04 justusranvier Here's the scenerio:
20:04 justusranvier In the near future, Uber and Lyft are going to win their battle with the established taxi mafias.
20:04 justusranvier They'll get in bed with the lawmakers and regulators and get the rules changed so they can participate.
20:05 justusranvier However, the process of doing so is going to be very expensive and consume the profits they should rightfully have made.
20:05 justusranvier Right about the time they win this battle, pure P2P versions of what they do will start cutting them out of the loop entirely.
20:06 justusranvier What will they do? Of course, they'll do exactly what the taxi drivers are doing to them - demand the government "do something"
20:06 justusranvier By this point, however, the only attack vector will be sting operations against individual drivers.
20:07 justusranvier So by the time this all happens we should have tools ready that are specifically designed to allow people to conduct in-person commerce with some assurance they are about to do business with a cop
20:07 justusranvier that they are *not* about to do business with a cop
20:07 justusranvier .
20:07 kakobrekla !help
20:07 assbot http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots
20:16 mircea_popescu ty kako
20:17 mircea_popescu !up dpb_reddit
20:17 mircea_popescu justusranvier none of that is controversial.
20:19 ben_vulpes $depth s.mpoe
20:19 empyex ben_vulpes: [S.MPOE] Bids: 52758 @ 0.00073978 16250 @ 0.00073885 14518 @ 0.00073828 3035 @ 0.00073788
20:19 empyex ben_vulpes: [S.MPOE] Asks: 9603 @ 0.00074093 4200 @ 0.00074164 3100 @ 0.00074318 6350 @ 0.00074370
20:24 mircea_popescu anyway, small, worthless transactions like say a cab ride aren't too adequate for this sort of application because people can't be arsed to bother.
20:25 mircea_popescu there's a reason the traditional "taxi mafia" is prevalent all over the world. that technology may force the government to release its extractive grip of said mafia tho... this is dubious. works for as long as people have the upper tech side, but this pendulum swings.
20:25 BingoBoingo !rules
20:26 mircea_popescu for easy comparison, argentina legally allows prostitution, but not pimping. this is roughly equivalent to allowing lyft/uber but not the traditional style.
20:26 mircea_popescu nevertheless, there's plenty of prosperous pimps.
20:26 BingoBoingo %tslb
20:26 atcbot 0 minutes and 0 seconds ago (right now!)
20:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103473 @ 0.00073914 = 76.481 BTC [-] {6}
20:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 153530 @ 0.00073689 = 113.1347 BTC [-] {12}
20:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107709 @ 0.00073588 = 79.2609 BTC [-] {8}
20:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1087 @ 0.00073866 = 0.8029 BTC [+]
20:34 copumpkin wow MPOE crash!
20:35 mircea_popescu !t m s.mpoe
20:35 assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00073342 / 0.00073748 / 0.0007468 (398319 shares, 293.76 BTC), 7D: 0.0007262 / 0.00077463 / 0.00088145 (3427764 shares, 2,655.25 BTC), 30D: 0.0007262 / 0.00081606 / 0.00094217 (13319985 shares, 10,870.04 BTC)
20:35 mircea_popescu funny that it goes the same way as btc this thing.
20:35 copumpkin yeah
20:38 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
20:38 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 497.62, Best ask: 497.79, Bid-ask spread: 0.17000, Last trade: 497.62, 24 hour volume: 16561.50479641, 24 hour low: 481.55, 24 hour high: 521.79, 24 hour vwap: 500.762394477
20:38 mircea_popescu heh.
20:39 kakobrekla its over, we can pack and go home put ba to +m.
20:40 kakobrekla throw in another comma inthere.
20:41 mircea_popescu but i am home!
20:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.298 = 0.894 BTC [+]
20:44 mircea_popescu from the lulz dept http://www.ofnumbers.com/2014/08/15/psa-got-hacked-yesterday/
20:44 assbot PSA: got hacked yesterday | Great Wall of Numbers
20:47 mircea_popescu https://blog.caseykuhlman.com/entries/2014/bitcoin-somaliland.html << and the usg press machine is making serious efforts at creating a bunch of interlinked blogs to cover the discussion in astroturf.
20:47 assbot On the Sovereignty of CryptoCurrencies -- What Bitcoin can Learn from Somaliland
20:48 mircea_popescu it's not just preston byrne or this or that derp. it's about a hundred of them by now, and as the old saying goes : the problem with this world is that while smart people are hesitant, government shills are full of words.
20:51 mircea_popescu http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/08/14/tory-2/ << read that to get a pretty much exact blow by blow of the hostile aggenda.
20:51 assbot I guess that makes me a Tory | Preston Byrne
20:51 mircea_popescu "Bitcoin is far from perfect.
20:51 mircea_popescu ECDSA is imperfect. The hunt for the perfect mining algo is ongoing; BitcoinÂ’s in particular has proven to be a tremendous waste of electricity, the process little more than an environmentally harmful race to the bottom. The protocol supports a mere 7 transactions per second. Protocol development has been difficult to implement on account of the centralisation of mining power and community inertia. "
20:51 mircea_popescu that's what teh boys got. how well bitcoin integrates (ie, how well some usg twerps nobody takles seriously have pretended to integrate with their puppet masters. herp.) and how unsovereign it is.
20:52 mircea_popescu meanwhile the guy's "business partner" drones all about how "you gotta live in real anarchy". because totally nobody ever did it outside of his dumb american ass, being leeched by some somalis for a few years.
20:52 mircea_popescu such valuable voices much point of view.
20:59 mircea_popescu !s tory
20:59 assbot 1 results for 'tory' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=tory
21:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33846 @ 0.00073432 = 24.8538 BTC [-] {2}
21:20 ben_vulpes how many txns per second does atc do?
21:25 decimation somalia would exist if not for the us decolonizing everything
21:25 decimation his example destroys his argument
21:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.00642887 = 0.6429 BTC [+] {6}
21:27 ben_vulpes come now that's not in his worldview
21:29 decimation mircea_popescu: surely you do not mean these guys receive paychecks from usg. plenty of people shill in the hope that they can get scraps from the master's table
21:29 mircea_popescu that's a paycheck.
21:29 mircea_popescu anyway, this is resulting in an article, so. gimme an hour here.
21:29 decimation okay that's what I thought
21:30 mircea_popescu !s large early holdings
21:30 assbot 5 results for 'large early holdings' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=large+early+holdings
21:31 mircea_popescu !up usg_press_machin
21:32 usg_press_machin Howdy, Bitcoin-assets.
21:32 mircea_popescu usg_press_machin i don't like you enough to pm. and no, not really. you can comment on it once it's done.
21:32 usg_press_machin Charming. Looking forward to it.
21:33 ben_vulpes who are you, usg_press_machin?
21:34 usg_press_machin http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/08/14/tory-2/
21:34 assbot I guess that makes me a Tory | Preston Byrne
21:34 usg_press_machin I saw a number of hits from argentina; my heart sank
21:34 ben_vulpes mr bryne? goodness.
21:34 usg_press_machin I've been following the logs for a couple of months and figured it was a good opportunity to pop in.
21:36 ben_vulpes welcome. into the wot with ye.
21:38 usg_press_machin Surely it can't be that easy.
21:39 ben_vulpes do you have a gpg key? a bitcoin address?
21:39 decimation asciilifeform: re: tax-farming :: in Maryland there is such a thing as 'ground rent' - 'landlord' can sell land from under your house if you don't pay
21:39 ben_vulpes surely if you're derping about bitcoin you've access to a privkey.
21:39 usg_press_machin Both
21:39 ben_vulpes you want ;;eregister and ;;everify
21:39 decimation he did not require an up, note
21:39 ben_vulpes oh wat
21:39 ben_vulpes ;;ident usg_press_machin
21:39 gribble Nick 'usg_press_machin', with hostmask 'usg_press_machin!6b033f2c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.3.63.44', is not identified.
21:39 ben_vulpes how is that now?
21:40 ben_vulpes decimation: mircea_popescu upped him
21:40 ben_vulpes troll
21:40 ben_vulpes ;;eregister
21:40 gribble (eregister <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will (1 more message)
21:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00073057 = 8.4016 BTC [-]
21:40 decimation oh sorry I missed that
21:40 ben_vulpes i'm sure you follow, usg_press_machin
21:40 ben_vulpes i recommend a better handle tho, lest you get stuck with that one.
21:40 mircea_popescu usg_press_machin just how often do you check them hits ?
21:41 decimation usg_press_machin: I assume you are dying to give us pro usg propaganda?
21:41 usg_press_machin Roughly every thirty seconds or so, I spend my life glued to the computer.
21:41 usg_press_machin (Just by chance)
21:41 usg_press_machin Not really - we're not actually paid shills
21:43 usg_press_machin But I suspect we're not that far off - did you all watch that "Declaration of Independence" video?
21:45 decimation I did not.
21:45 usg_press_machin I recommend you take a look - then re-read the blogposts.
21:45 decimation What exactly do you mean by "ECDSA is not perfect. "
21:46 usg_press_machin https://www.ipa.go.jp/security/enc/CRYPTREC/fy15/doc/1004_R3_ECDSA.pdf
21:47 usg_press_machin But from a more practical perspective, some of the tools people use to interact with the blockchain e.g. brain wallets or faulty random number generators are weak points.
21:55 decimation you seem to confuse "widespread adoption" with "powerful"
21:56 usg_press_machin In what sense?
22:07 mircea_popescu <usg_press_machin> Surely it can't be that easy. << why not ?!
22:08 mircea_popescu <usg_press_machin> But from a more practical perspective, some of the tools people use to interact with the blockchain e.g. brain wallets or faulty random number generators are weak points. << how do you figure this has anything to do with ecdsa ?
22:08 mircea_popescu you can kill yourself with paracetamol too, doesn't make paracetamol faulty.
22:09 mircea_popescu !up usg_press_machin
22:09 mircea_popescu i keep forgetting about that and then talking at meanwhile devoiced ppls.
22:10 usg_press_machin Thanks mircea. Re WoT was just joshing around. Re: brain wallets etc., the point is that Bitcoin is as much a product of its users as it is the blockchain.
22:10 mircea_popescu not all its users.
22:10 usg_press_machin Not all of them, of course.
22:11 mircea_popescu so then it dun matter that the derps misuse it.
22:11 usg_press_machin Maybe. But the question is, do you want the derps to use it at all
22:11 usg_press_machin ?
22:11 mircea_popescu i don't care if they do.
22:12 mircea_popescu bycicling isn;t a functon of people who can't ride bikes either. do you want more people to ride bykes ?
22:12 usg_press_machin What do you want Bitcoin to achieve?
22:12 mircea_popescu maybe, i guess, on like the 3rd or so meta level.
22:12 mircea_popescu nothing lol.
22:12 usg_press_machin What're you in it for?
22:13 mircea_popescu to quote an old timer, "i have no idea, [you] just wandered in here one day and started talking"
22:14 BingoBoingo %tslb
22:14 atcbot 0 minutes and 0 seconds ago (right now!)
22:14 BingoBoingo %d
22:14 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 129090.06 in 1979 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -93.13
22:14 mircea_popescu bitcoin is a normal function of the adult mind, like writing, or like fucking. you're not into these for anything other than you know, being an adult, being alive, doing the things that there are.
22:16 BingoBoingo 44389, Almost 7 hours ago... I'm not sure ATC bot' %tslb... quite works...
22:16 BingoBoingo %p
22:16 atcbot [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.03 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s
22:16 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo wlel if hash went away ?
22:16 BingoBoingo I guess it's time to trade paper ATC IOU's (maybe joking?)
22:16 usg_press_machin So what's wrong with doing bitcoin while... say, obeying the law and paying taxes?
22:17 mircea_popescu what's wrong with having sex while not getting an erection ?
22:17 mircea_popescu nothing, i guess.
22:17 mircea_popescu there is definitely something wrong if trying to present that as anything but fucking weird.
22:18 mircea_popescu i mean i get it, some people can't. which is fine. but don't go around claiming impotence as a virtue.
22:18 usg_press_machin But this is the thing with my question about asking why you're into bitcoin.
22:18 usg_press_machin If you're into it to go to the moon - mass adoption (hence legal frameworks) are key
22:18 usg_press_machin if you're into it to fight the state, then go for it, I can respect that viewpoint.
22:18 mircea_popescu ;;later tell mike_c here's a good one for you : http://blogs.hbr.org/2014/08/venture-capitalists-get-paid-well-to-lose-money/ (Yet 2013 annual industry performance data from Cambridge Associates shows that venture capital continues to underperform the S&P 500, NASDAQ and Russell 2000.)
22:18 assbot Venture Capitalists Get Paid Well to Lose Money - Diane Mulcahy - Harvard Business Review
22:18 gribble The operation succeeded.
22:18 mircea_popescu usg_press_machin if you read the logs, you've seen how well this entire "try and force mp into our preconceived headboxes" worked before.
22:19 mircea_popescu i don't fit.
22:19 usg_press_machin What's your view on it then? I'm openminded.
22:19 decimation bitcoin doesn't need anyone to have an opinion or thought about it in order to exist
22:20 mircea_popescu myeah. it's not a collective dream.
22:20 BingoBoingo usg_press_machin: There's at least 800 different alternatives to your two presented options and there are 796 of those alternatives are compatible with at least one other option. GO! Math!
22:20 mircea_popescu and no, people don't "shape it" in that sense.
22:20 decimation bitcoin has already gone to the moon, some of the world hasn't figured that out yet
22:21 mircea_popescu asciilifeform and here's one for you : http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2014/08/whats-matter-with-pgp.html jeez im on a roll today.
22:21 assbot A Few Thoughts on Cryptographic Engineering: What's the matter with PGP?
22:21 mircea_popescu "It's time for PGP to die. " sez author.
22:24 BingoBoingo And a follow up talking around problems https://zyan.scripts.mit.edu/blog/certificate-transparency-for-pgp/
22:24 assbot certificate transparency for PGP? | discrete blogarithm
22:24 ben_vulpes !s with PGP
22:24 assbot 40 results for 'with PGP' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=with+PGP
22:24 decimation the fact that he says that the cryptography is old (and therefore bad) pretty much explains his cryptographic chops
22:25 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo it's so lulzy, the crap these people publish. "o i hate pgp, it's too secure, pls to use centrally distributed keys, so much lightyears better"
22:25 ben_vulpes y'r late, boss
22:25 mircea_popescu worst time to be stupid in the history of the world.
22:25 decimation but mircea_popescu, you are leaving out the masses
22:25 ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-08-2014#796144
22:25 assbot #bitcoin-assets log
22:25 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes omfg check that out
22:25 mircea_popescu im way late.
22:26 mircea_popescu sorry asciilifeform sorry chan. behind on my reading it seems
22:26 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: And they completely forget that if you NEED end to end encryption... A key exchange is happening privately nomatter what yahoo or Gmaul's shit insists on
22:26 mircea_popescu heh.
22:26 mircea_popescu as if you know, plaintext mail isn't end to end encrypted. why not ? i do it all the time.
22:27 BingoBoingo <decimation> but mircea_popescu, you are leaving out the masses << Is that what you want the oncologist to do?
22:27 mircea_popescu by now i can sorta distinguish the noobs from the veterans because the noobs send me gpg blobs with "Content-Type: multipart/mixed;" mixed in, whereas the veterans just neatly paste the pgp in the email body.
22:27 ben_vulpes gmanul
22:28 BingoBoingo gmanul gmauls gmail
22:28 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: tell me about it i had a dev send me an ssh key in a fancy attachment the other day
22:28 ben_vulpes "plz for to plaintext"
22:28 penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-great-post-of-rebuttals/
22:28 mircea_popescu "The lack of transparent key management in PGP isn't unfixable. For those who don't trust Google or Yahoo, there are experimental systems like Keybase.io that attempt to tie keys to user identities."
22:28 decimation I would agree with his point that the pgp protocol is complex, but I suspect that anything that tries to solve the same problems will have similar complexity
22:28 mircea_popescu yeah, THAT is the solution. keybase.
22:28 mircea_popescu please get me some anti-eyeroll tape i might strain something.
22:29 ben_vulpes kakobrekla: dunno if you're into this sort of thing but if you grabbed the logline in question with the same js that does the highlighting and slammed it into <title></title> would it show up for assbot to read directly into the chan?
22:29 mircea_popescu decimation what part is complex anwyay ?
22:29 ben_vulpes mind you i have no idea how assbot renders pages internally
22:29 ben_vulpes or if there are less retarded ways to accomplish same
22:29 mircea_popescu "(Let's not get into the NSA's collect-it-all policy for encrypted messages. If the NSA is your adversary just forget about PGP.)" << best part :D
22:30 ben_vulpes now if !s stuff defaulted to ignoring bots as well...
22:31 mircea_popescu "A proper approach to key management. This could be anything from centralized key management as in Apple's iMessage -- which would still be better than nothing -- to a decentralized (but still usable) approach like the one offered by Signal or OTR. Whatever the solution, in order to achieve mass deployment, keys need to be made much more manageable or else submerged from the user altogether."
22:32 mircea_popescu ahahaah that';s right. submerged altogether!
22:32 mircea_popescu how the fuck am i going to make gilded business cards then ?
22:32 kakobrekla ben_vulpes url hash tags dont get sent to the server.
22:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12717 @ 0.00072297 = 9.194 BTC [-]
22:33 ben_vulpes kakobrekla: if the js that highlights the line also alters the title node would assbot be able to read that title?
22:33 mircea_popescu usg_press_machin but anyway, a secondary point to your " obeying the law and paying taxes?" is that if you happen to be obeying the "laws" of a terrorist organisation and giving it money, you may end up in hot water with a lot of people.
22:33 kakobrekla there are ways to execute js w/o a browser but that is kinda silly.
22:34 mircea_popescu there's no rule of nature that says the us can never be so identified. for those people who do make that identification, you're a criminal.
22:34 ben_vulpes ah well
22:34 usg_press_machin mircea_popescu yes but I don't think paying taxes to the USG - no matter what the USG does - is Nuremberg material.
22:34 ben_vulpes another good idea dies on the spikes of pressed shitboard
22:34 mircea_popescu so you don't think.
22:35 mircea_popescu do you know who else didn't think ?
22:35 mircea_popescu everyone at nurnberg.
22:35 usg_press_machin Reductio ad, not going to take the bait there.
22:35 mircea_popescu how would you know ?
22:35 mircea_popescu the future is eminently unknowable. i for one am definitely going to push for hangings.
22:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00072316 = 18.9468 BTC [+] {2}
22:36 usg_press_machin It's a question of legal convention. Paying legal taxes to a legally installed government has never, ever been considered a war crime. I'll take my chances
22:36 kakobrekla it would be prolly better to detect log url, parse it and just go after the line directly in db
22:36 mircea_popescu here's the legal convention : anyone who worked for the tsar in any capacity, 20 years diging ice in siberia.
22:36 mircea_popescu it's what the tradition points to, at any rate.
22:37 mircea_popescu and as to "never ever" : pre nurenberg, this trying of a foreign power's officers and ministers had also never ever happened.
22:37 mircea_popescu precedent happens.
22:38 mircea_popescu in short : your notion that sitting with the usg is safe and joining the rebels is dangerous is fundamentally broken. sitting with the usg is safe except if the rebels get the upper hand.
22:39 usg_press_machin Is there a rebellion?
22:39 mircea_popescu the situation is in fact quite symmetrical, whichever side you're on the other will prolly not like it.
22:39 mircea_popescu well, inasmuch as someone';s breaking the law and not paying taxes, yes. that'd be the definition of a rebellion.
22:39 usg_press_machin I'd disagree - that'd be protest. Rebellion implies something a bit more organised, serious, and threatening.
22:39 usg_press_machin And generally involving force of arms.
22:40 mircea_popescu how's this formal approach to things worked for you so far ?
22:41 mircea_popescu to me it sounds kinda like "a movie can't be good if it doesn't have car chases and those anti-physical sparks bullets make in hollywood"
22:41 justusranvier http://www.libertyroundtable.com/2010/03/30/bonds-what-bonds/
22:41 assbot Bonds? What Bonds? | Liberty RoundTable
22:41 mircea_popescu (but it rests me at ease to hear from the usg_press_machine itself that crypto is no longer armament)
22:42 mircea_popescu !up usg_press_machin
22:42 justusranvier I like Tom Baugh's tendency to corrupt the youth
22:43 mircea_popescu that's more sexual perversion than rebellion neh ?
22:43 justusranvier Read the last paragraph of that article
22:43 usg_press_machin Thanks Mircea. I think crypto has a place to carve out individual privacy, but I don't think it necessarily follows that the only option is to view the relationship in terms of conflict. Reading now
22:44 mircea_popescu all relationship is conflict.
22:44 usg_press_machin Maybe. Depends on the definitions we use.
22:44 mircea_popescu and privacy is not at stake. sovereignty is at stake.
22:45 usg_press_machin Again, maybe. It depends on where you draw that line.
22:45 usg_press_machin And what definitions you use.
22:45 ben_vulpes pity those of us fighting for sovereignty
22:46 mircea_popescu not like it's exactly a mystery what definitions i use :D
22:46 usg_press_machin If "sovereign" means "monopoly on the use of force" or determining how force should be used, I'm in the camp that the state makes that call. There should be exceptions and limitations, and it's the task of politically active people to make sure those lines reflect their views.
22:47 mircea_popescu you can be in any camp you want, because with bitcoin what camp you're in dun matter anymore.
22:47 usg_press_machin mircea_popescu definitely not!
22:47 mircea_popescu the state can't exist.
22:47 justusranvier Point of order: "the state" doesn't exist. People exist, buildings exist, guns exist, drones exist.
22:48 mircea_popescu love ?
22:48 usg_press_machin I mean, it's not a reified critter, definitely. But it qua legal fiction certainly exists - it's an abstraction.
22:48 justusranvier "the state" is an excuse one group of people make up to explain why their crimes are actually virtuous
22:48 mircea_popescu not an effectual one anymore.
22:48 usg_press_machin I think it was Hannah Arendt who pointed it out - "bureaucracy is rule by nobody"
22:48 mircea_popescu well bureaucracy needs to control the money, and so that's the end of that.
22:49 mircea_popescu the state as a voluntary association, all they who choose and wish to pay taxe sand obeys the law is what we have here already.
22:49 mircea_popescu and it dun look all that "normal".
22:49 justusranvier Murder is murder, no matter what kind of costume somebody wears. "The state" is the lie that a magic costume can turn murder into "public policy" or some other such nonsense.
22:50 mircea_popescu justusranvier you'll never get out of killing people.
22:50 mircea_popescu as distasteful as that reality may be.
22:51 justusranvier True, there will always be murders. What can be ended is the myth that murder isn't evil just because somebody drapes a fancy title on themselves and cloaks their actions in euphamisms
22:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18821 @ 0.00072497 = 13.6447 BTC [+]
22:51 ben_vulpes a wild!
22:51 mircea_popescu that's also never going away. if i thought the victim was kinda cool i'd not have killed them. once i killed them, obviously i will go on thinking they sucked.
22:52 justusranvier The myth has nothing to do with the mindset of the murder - it's about everbody else.
22:52 mircea_popescu maybe the murderer is persuasive ?
22:52 mircea_popescu statistically, some will be.
22:53 mircea_popescu the salem trials is the convenient case study here. you can decry them as "incipient government establishing itself the way government establiushes itself all time, all places : through murder". but just as well... people kill, and some killers are persuasive.
22:54 justusranvier Psychopaths gonna psycho in any situation. The current situation is that when certain psychopaths put on the right costume, all of a sudden something flips in everybody else's brains wherein they regard the actions of the psychopath in completely oppostie moral terms.
22:55 mircea_popescu well ok, so now we can agree, the problem is the red tape.
22:55 mircea_popescu "this isn't a good apple because its not fda approved" "have you tasted it ?" "i don't need to"
22:55 mircea_popescu has nothing to do with murder. everything to do with college degrees, global warming and so on.
22:58 usg_press_machin I think the problem is that governments can do nasty things. We each have our own way of dealing with it. I do so within the rules the system sets out; MP does it his own way. Different approaches.
22:59 mircea_popescu that ~used~ to be the problem, before we met, for many years.
22:59 mircea_popescu the reason we met is because for a few years that is no longer the problem.
22:59 usg_press_machin What, playing ball?
22:59 mircea_popescu the problem now is that government has no further reason to exist and no means of supporting itself.
23:00 usg_press_machin Agree to disagree on the last point.
23:00 mircea_popescu no biggy.
23:00 usg_press_machin Word.
23:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3557 @ 0.00072752 = 2.5878 BTC [+]
23:04 BingoBoingo ;;google malpidity
23:04 gribble Malpidity | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/04/malpidity/>; The Idiocrats | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/05/the-idiocrats/>; BingoBoingo | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/author/bingoboingo/>
23:06 usg_press_machin mircea_popescu if you're ever in London drop a line. Would be happy to thrash this out over a beer sometime.
23:07 mircea_popescu i hate london, and why do you think a pub somewhere'd be a better venue ?!
23:08 BingoBoingo USG likes roofies?
23:08 mircea_popescu people think best with a written record, i find.
23:08 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo lol yeah, ~that's~ totally happening.
23:09 BingoBoingo !up dpb_twitter
23:09 dpb_twitter KEOW KEOW OOI
23:09 dpb_twitter it's me, everyone's favorite xanthyos
23:09 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Doping your drink in London though might be the USG's one chance to try to rape you for a change
23:09 dpb_twitter dpb is pwning the forums with his #derpreport
23:10 usg_press_machin Ha! Not necessarily a better one. But as BingoBoingo pointed out, USG shillery always better in person
23:10 BingoBoingo In mean those drones with their extradition bombs and all that jazz
23:11 BingoBoingo The slavegirls mounting a rescue op to reverse-extradite
23:12 mircea_popescu anyone read teh derpreport in question ?
23:13 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I've been following his forum trolling a bit, some decent reads
23:13 BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/hashtag/derpreport?f=realtime&src=hash
23:13 assbot Twitter / Suche - #derpreport
23:14 * BingoBoingo swears the only thing worse than netsplits is netreunions
23:14 BingoBoingo !up usg_press_machin
23:14 usg_press_machin thx BingoBoingo
23:20 ben_vulpes ;;isitdown danielpbarron.com
23:20 gribble danielpbarron.com is up
23:22 ben_vulpes http://www.warriorforum.com/main-internet-marketing-discussion-forum/837801-anyone-using-bitcoin-yet.html#post9419497 << such patience
23:22 assbot Is Anyone Using Bitcoin Yet?
23:24 mircea_popescu speaking of specialised hardware, anyone got a box somewhere they want to rent me ?
23:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what kind ?
23:26 mircea_popescu the mining kind
23:26 mircea_popescu %p
23:26 atcbot [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.03 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s
23:26 mircea_popescu this thing needs some support.
23:26 mod6 yea
23:27 * BingoBoingo wonders how much a Petahash is to rent...
23:28 * asciilifeform wonders how much atomic dirigible is to rent
23:28 * ben_vulpes has estimated the roi on renting hashes for atc
23:28 * ben_vulpes has also forgotten the results
23:29 * asciilifeform catches up on log
23:30 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: veterans just neatly paste the pgp in the email body << wait, vs. what ?
23:31 asciilifeform anyone who worked for the tsar in any capacity, 20 years diging ice << nah. most of them (including herr dzugashvili...) just got a new krysha.
23:32 asciilifeform and not a few of the best gestapo folks ended up in stasi, etc.
23:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform firefox extensions and whatnot
23:33 asciilifeform lol!
23:33 mircea_popescu yeah, most of them had enough sense to get in the wot. kinda my point there.
23:35 usg_press_machin Right chaps, I'm out. Night all.
23:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00072509 = 12.8341 BTC [-]
23:43 decimation "what part is complex [of pgp]" << when I do a gpg --list-packets --verbose < pubkey I find much that I desire to be documented
23:44 decimation asciilifeform: do you know of a document that gives a detailed description of the innards of gpg file formats etc?
23:44 asciilifeform decimation: rfc-4880.
23:45 * asciilifeform has a well-thumbed hardbound copy of this thing next to keyboard
23:46 decimation ah yeah that's what I want thanks
23:46 asciilifeform (no, it isn't sold in dead tree, make your own if you must)
23:46 BingoBoingo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=739638
23:46 assbot Bitcoin sites leaked :( - Big bitcoin members emails database
23:46 decimation asciilifeform: do you think that this protocol could be made to be more simple?
23:47 asciilifeform decimation: it's pretty simple, at least with regard to the basics
23:47 asciilifeform decimation: one can - and i do - disregard the useless crud
23:48 mircea_popescu no argument there's a lot of useless crud in there.
23:48 mircea_popescu http://pastebin.com/KaWsDgdq << lulzy. what's with all the colors ?
23:48 assbot [MySQL] Bitcoin Database Hacked - more than 4500 emails/pass free - Pastebin.com
23:48 asciilifeform decimation: 'cardano, design and operation' will include a nicely whittled version of 4880.
23:50 mircea_popescu !up diatonic
23:50 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: "syntax: MYSQL"
23:53 decimation asciilifeform: I presume you are going to dump support for useless cryptos and compressions, etc?
23:53 asciilifeform decimation: how'd you guess.
23:53 decimation obvious is obvious I guess :)
23:54 mircea_popescu %p
23:54 atcbot [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.03 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s
23:54 decimation it seems to me that the cli for signing subkeys is less straightforward than it could be as well
23:54 asciilifeform decimation: that's nothing to do with 4880
23:55 decimation asciilifeform: no, that's a complaint about the gpg user interface
23:56 ben_vulpes "code works fine, user is broken"
23:57 ben_vulpes somewhere between "its possible but a nightmare" and "all defaults configured for you" is zen ui
23:58 Blazedout419 mircea_popescu --> https://www.miningrigrentals.com/rigs/sha256
23:58 assbot Mining Rig Rentals | Rigs
23:58 Blazedout419 never seen any rentals at the 1 PH rate though lol
23:59 mircea_popescu Blazedout419 do they do custom jobs tho ?
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