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00:01 BingoBoingo ;;google theymos scammer tag
00:01 gribble [CLOSED] GLBSE drama - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=117235.0>; Scammer tag : Nefario, theymos, others known and unknown - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/scammer-tag-nefario-theymos-others-known-and-unknown>; AMA Request: The most powerful man in bitcoin, Theymos. | The ...: <http://thebitcoinnews.co.uk/2013/05/02/ama-request-the-most-powerful-man-in- (1 more message)
00:03 TheNewDeal oooo this looks good
00:05 BingoBoingo %t
00:05 atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 188 Ask: 225 Last Price: 188 24h-Vol: 152k High: 195 Low: 188 VWAP: 192
00:05 BingoBoingo %d
00:05 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 186726.40 in 1990 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -90.06
00:06 BingoBoingo !up dreamstring
00:06 dreamstring Alright im ready to have my ass handed to me
00:07 dreamstring im on the defense on you shooting down the altcoin
00:07 BingoBoingo dreamstring: Just admit you were woefully under prepared and you are gong to actually read.
00:08 dreamstring Oh that was a sad sad attempt at what I thought would be a two second plug
00:09 dreamstring I'll be much more willing to discuss the details of what i have planned once i know how this place operates though, thanks.
00:11 BingoBoingo dreamstring: I'm kind of expecting that if you read you can have a few thousand words on why it was broken
00:11 BingoBoingo !s ATC
00:11 assbot 924 results for 'ATC' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=ATC
00:12 dreamstring Just through the logs bash?
00:12 BingoBoingo ;;topic
00:12 gribble http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com
00:13 BingoBoingo dreamstring: blogs and bash are a quicker primer, logs take a while
00:13 BingoBoingo !s litecoin experiment
00:13 assbot 1 results for 'litecoin experiment' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=litecoin+experiment
00:15 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: Imma hypothesize that few things introduce people to each other and unite communities as effectively as teargas. <<< candida, actually :D
00:15 dreamstring word, thanks for the reads. Im gonna cash out for the night while i delve into some of theses. thanks guys.
00:16 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: lol
00:20 mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/ << 162 confirmed bets. a rrrrrrecord.
00:20 assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (86%) on Yes, 186.56 B (14%) on No | closing in 6 months 4 days | weight: 55`100 (100`000 to 1)
00:26 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Which part is the record in this case?
00:29 mike_c ;;calc (199609 / [ticker --last]) - 314.6
00:29 gribble 56.5377200974
00:29 mike_c woohoo warren. running like a man in his 70's.
00:29 mircea_popescu !up laurita
00:29 mircea_popescu mike_c got a solid 20% there.
00:30 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo iirc it was like 87 or so
00:30 mike_c he's killing it. we'll see if he can keep it up.
00:30 mircea_popescu he was underwater by abou 10% at some point there
00:31 mike_c he hadn't heard about the bet yet
00:31 mircea_popescu anyway, remember all the knowitalls that explained how unfair a bet it was, right then ? because OBIVOUSLY etc.
00:31 mike_c ^ the story of all interesting bitbets
00:31 mircea_popescu peepz just got this irresistible impulse to believe they know shit.
00:32 mircea_popescu a btw mike_c : http://trilema.com/2014/petameta/
00:32 assbot PetaMeta pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
00:32 mike_c I saw :) i disagree with a couple points, but a counter-rebuttal.. too meta
00:36 TheNewDeal this thread is goldem
00:37 mike_c mencken has some interesting quotes, doesn't he.
00:37 TheNewDeal love how many dumbasses / psuedonyms thermos exposed to back himself
00:38 mike_c lol fluffypony. you don't get to accept! assbot rates who assbot wants.
00:38 BingoBoingo ;;seen penguirker
00:38 gribble penguirker was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 10 hours, 42 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <penguirker> New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/butterflylabs-refund-date-updated-08132014/
00:39 BingoBoingo http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/13/record-large-public-bitcoin-bet-reached/
00:39 assbot Record Large Public Bitcoin Bet Reached | Bingo Blog
00:39 mike_c i was too lazy to look. did anybody get kicked out of assbot L1?
00:40 BingoBoingo mike_c: dexx7, danielpbarron, checkdavid
00:41 mike_c ah. 30 people right now. i wonder what the right # is.
00:42 BingoBoingo Prolly between 2 and 78
00:42 penguirker New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/13/record-large-public-bitcoin-bet-reached/
00:42 BingoBoingo 150 would definitely be too many
00:46 BingoBoingo !up nubbins`
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01:02 BingoBoingo !up dpb_reddit
01:02 BingoBoingo !Up RagnarsBitch
01:06 assbot kyuupichann +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
01:09 assbot kyuupichan +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
01:12 assbot kyuupichan +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
01:13 dub !up kyuupichan
01:13 kyuupichan dub: tq
01:14 TheNewDeal bitcoin is not against rich getting richer
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01:39 BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/TefPoe Alderman arrested in Ferguson
01:39 assbot Tef Poe/FootKlan (TefPoe) auf Twitter
01:54 ben_vulpes <mircea_popescu> make a connection. << http://survantjames.com does objective-c whatever, provided you're willing to pay fiat objective-c rates for people who actually know what they're doing.
01:54 assbot Survant James - Design & Engineering
01:58 FabianB $mpexstatus
01:58 empyex FabianB: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
01:58 empyex FabianB: MPEx-Status: mpex.ws (884 milliseconds), mpex.bz (1177 milliseconds), mpex.co (error), mpex.biz (787 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (929 milliseconds)
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02:18 ben_vulpes mpex.cpanel (error)
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02:44 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes nope. i'm willing to pay a pittance to take over code already written and not making a penny.
02:49 BingoBoingo !up m4rCsi
02:50 mircea_popescu <BingoBoingo> Prolly between 2 and 78 << hopefully 200ish
02:51 BingoBoingo In time
02:56 BingoBoingo Oh, I went from having under 10k Meat in merchandise in my mall store to...
02:57 BingoBoingo Approaching 50% of danielpbarron's marketcap for his BTC/MEAT asset in just shit from years ago
02:59 danielpbarron :O
03:06 BingoBoingo !up Anon29486307___
03:06 BingoBoingo Hello Anon29486307___
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03:35 RagnarDanneskjol mircea_popescu - I have my bot dev on the other line - he is reading the logs right now. This guy runs the bot for my room. lemme know if you're around to chat it up w/ him
03:36 RagnarDanneskjol thats him
03:36 RagnarDanneskjol dunno if he's around Molo, hang in for a bit
03:37 BingoBoingo !up MolokoDeck
03:37 RagnarDanneskjol oh yea
03:37 MolokoDeck hello, ragnar
03:37 RagnarDanneskjol ahoy
03:38 MolokoDeck so, I'm still reviewing the bitcoin-assets log related to a bot project involving posting and cryptosigning cryptodocuments.. or something to that effect.
03:40 MolokoDeck ok. so it handles both pre-encrypted and plaintext documents.
03:41 MolokoDeck authentication test from a single-point trusted registry.
03:42 MolokoDeck insertion of validation hash onto the bitcoin block chain with a transaction: requires use of the bitcoind API or connection to the bitcoin mining network.
03:43 BigBitz mircea_popescu I like LastPass, actually :)
03:43 MolokoDeck also requires the bot to have a wallet.
03:43 RagnarDanneskjol nothing to do with inserting hash to bitcoin
03:43 MolokoDeck am I reading the same thing you are?
03:43 RagnarDanneskjol and not necessarily running bitcoind / wallet. i will let mircea elaborate
03:44 RagnarDanneskjol yes
03:44 MolokoDeck "2. all the valid deeds received in a specified interval, say 512 seconds, are appended together, hashed, and the resulting hash is inserted into a bitcoin transaction, which becomes part of the bitcoin blocchain."
03:44 mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol more or less.
03:44 mircea_popescu MolokoDeck hey there.
03:44 MolokoDeck only the validating hash goes on the blockchain, not the entire block of documents, I take it?
03:44 MolokoDeck hello.
03:45 mircea_popescu yes, only the hash.
03:46 MolokoDeck the bot has to buffer state and monitor for validations, which could take tens of minutes, then inform the irc channel, and update the central web logs for public notice.
03:46 BigBitz mircea_popescu you're trying to create some new bot? what purpose?
03:46 mircea_popescu tis in teh logs.
03:46 MolokoDeck automated contract notarization I would think.
03:47 mircea_popescu MolokoDeck validations of what ?
03:47 MolokoDeck or something entirely general purpose.
03:47 BigBitz mircea_popescu you know I am lazy. :(
03:47 RagnarDanneskjol bigbitz http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2014#789365
03:47 assbot #bitcoin-assets log
03:47 BigBitz thanks RagnarDanneskjol.
03:48 MolokoDeck the block of documents gets cryptosigned with a hash of the documents inside. That hash gets sent to the blockchain. The other validation (initial validation) is of the cryptosignature on each document. The documents have to be legit before they go into the bundle that get's logged and recorded permenently as a hash on the blockchain.
03:48 MolokoDeck so I overloade the term "validate".
03:48 MolokoDeck overloaded.
03:49 MolokoDeck the blockchain is being used to make an immutable public record of the authenticating hash of the document bundle being published.
03:51 MolokoDeck since the hash is inserted as a comment in the blockchain, I think one might be able to create bogus blocks that have the same has by inserting a salt and mining a single hash here.
03:51 MolokoDeck lemme think about that.
03:51 MolokoDeck you can't change the hash, but you could make any block match the hash, possibly, if you had enough mining time.
03:52 BigBitz Negative.
03:52 MolokoDeck it wouldn't be on the central trusted registry though, but that may not be entirely secure. or someone would have to check an document the recieved by another channel against the central registry or website.
03:53 BigBitz the nonce, at best, you could influence.
03:53 MolokoDeck ok. am I clueless?
03:53 BigBitz the block hash you cannot influence (AFAIK)
03:53 MolokoDeck right, you'd dither the nonce until you got some other block to match the hash.
03:53 BigBitz heh, I may be clueless, but I don't think a miner can influence the hash value of the clock.
03:53 MolokoDeck oh nevermind. It would have to match the ENTIRE hash. megayears. ok. i get it.
03:53 BigBitz err block.
03:53 BigBitz Yup - correct.
03:53 BigBitz If they had some quantums, maybe :P
03:54 MolokoDeck I'm not sure there's a quantum algorith for SHA256 that's particularly leveraged, but there are supposedly turing-complete quantum gate computers that could accellerate that. Let's not go into that.
03:55 MolokoDeck those don't exist yet at any meaningful scale.
03:55 BingoBoingo lol, There was an optical computing conversation this week...
03:55 MolokoDeck whatever happened to that optical matrix multiplcation chip?
03:55 MolokoDeck ok. getting distracted.
03:55 BigBitz :)
03:55 MolokoDeck hi.
03:55 BigBitz hey.
03:56 BigBitz I just you.
03:56 BigBitz and this is crazy.
03:56 BigBitz but here's my number.
03:56 BigBitz so call me maybe?
03:57 mircea_popescu <MolokoDeck> right, you'd dither the nonce until you got some other block to match the hash. << the nonce isn't actually large enough
03:57 BingoBoingo I just met you, this is crazy. Here's my weiner. So blow me baby.
03:57 MolokoDeck doable in php or python. php has a fairly bad reputation in cryptocurrency lately. And in computer science for different reasons (you can't predict the outcome of certain operations).
03:57 mircea_popescu you'd need a nonce as large as the keyspace of the hash
03:57 MolokoDeck also in php one would either have to use a package or use system calls to do the encryption.
03:58 MolokoDeck I've done it that way.
03:58 MolokoDeck I was wondering about that. I'm not clear on how much influence a nonce has on hash outcomes. so that explains that question.
03:58 BigBitz none is only 32 bit field.
03:59 BigBitz nonce. man. my typing is getting bad in my older years.
03:59 MolokoDeck I was considering just adding an arbirary number of bits to the bogus message.
04:00 MolokoDeck anyway, I think you've settled my question about the feasibility/non-feasibility of spoofing a single hash.
04:01 MolokoDeck the security of the bot sending something via bitcoin api ... still thinking about that.
04:02 MolokoDeck is this for everyone in the world to use, or only for a select community of presumable trusted parties?
04:02 MolokoDeck obviously they'd have to be registered with wot.
04:02 RagnarDanneskjol or just each other
04:02 BingoBoingo MolokoDeck: If you have a good source of entropy for nonces, electrum has a nice CLI, this thing prolly ought to be connected to a private electrum server though if going for that over bitcoind
04:02 MolokoDeck looking at a case where anyone can put a hash on the blockchain and present a document block with that hash.
04:03 mircea_popescu MolokoDeck to validate a hash has to be signed by someone in assbot's l2
04:04 mircea_popescu meh,. a message not a hash
04:05 MolokoDeck sure, a non-mining/non-blockchain-manitaining client.
04:05 MolokoDeck typos.
04:06 RagnarDanneskjol reading for later: http://bh.ht.vc/vhost_confusion.pdf - vhost exploits, sorry pdf only
04:06 MolokoDeck ok. not sure what my timeframe to completion on this would be presuming I would be doing it. My development resources are limited right now (one virtual host)
04:07 RagnarDanneskjol I got server space coming outta my ears
04:07 RagnarDanneskjol all those half finished projects
04:07 MolokoDeck ok. that's solved.
04:07 MolokoDeck heh. I know the feeling.
04:08 RagnarDanneskjol !up MolokoDeck
04:09 mircea_popescu MolokoDeck there's no rush.
04:09 mircea_popescu and yeah, we have ~ one trillion boxes.
04:10 MolokoDeck ok. my feeling about it now is doable. timescale more than a few weeks, adjustment of code until everyone's satsified, then some committment to maintain or modify it if desirable.
04:10 Bet placed: 3 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $500 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1006/ Odds: 64(Y):36(N) by coin, 60(Y):40(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.597 BTC. Current weight: 72,617.
04:10 MolokoDeck let me look into it.
04:10 BigBitz which market does that use, mircea_popescu?
04:10 BigBitz as Bitfinex hit sub 500.
04:11 BigBitz Ah uses Bitstamp.
04:11 * BigBitz stops being lazy and looks.
04:11 BingoBoingo ;;ticker
04:11 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 509.91, Best ask: 509.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.08000, Last trade: 510.0, 24 hour volume: 29402.57027823, 24 hour low: 508.12, 24 hour high: 562.04, 24 hour vwap: 538.760662926
04:11 RagnarDanneskjol Molo, please try to work on it some this weekend... I am actively recruiting until it gets done- first to finish line wins
04:11 MolokoDeck testing the bottom at 480-whatever seems reasonable.
04:11 mircea_popescu BigBitz nfi.
04:11 RagnarDanneskjol ;;rate MolokoDeck 2 bot wizard, smart alec
04:11 gribble Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
04:12 MolokoDeck ok, I'm not a big fan of races and bounties, but understood.
04:12 RagnarDanneskjol doof
04:12 BigBitz :_
04:12 MolokoDeck you should keep looking.
04:12 mircea_popescu srsly, it's not a huge rush, it's been waiting for the proper maker/maintainer for monthgs,.
04:13 MolokoDeck I'll stay in touch with ragnar about this.
04:13 RagnarDanneskjol gratzi, love ye man
04:13 BingoBoingo http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/
04:13 assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (86%) on Yes, 186.56 B (14%) on No | closing in 6 months 4 days | weight: 55`052 (100`000 to 1)
04:15 mircea_popescu if anyone cares, ultima forever is closing august 29th. http://forums.ultimaforever.com/index.php?topic=867.0
04:15 assbot Important Sunset Announcement
04:17 mircea_popescu 14 months is what a forever takes these days
04:17 RagnarDanneskjol heh
04:19 cazalla was it any good?
04:21 RagnarDanneskjol thats what she said
04:24 RagnarDanneskjol http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=ADA597771 please consider whatever trojan horsery might be hiding is pdf from this source. looks safe to be, but what do I know
04:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.28051001 = 0.561 BTC [+]
04:25 mircea_popescu ultima ? well... like a ultima i imagine.,
04:25 cazalla so pk fest
04:26 mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/LRQOrEX.jpg
04:36 BingoBoingo http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/08/woman-allegedly-steals-phone-calls-911-because-victim-was-harassing-her/
04:36 assbot Alleged phone thief calls 911 because victim wont leave her alone | Ars Technica
04:37 RagnarDanneskjol taken to King County Jail for investigation of robbery as well as for allegedly possessing three grams of crack
04:37 RagnarDanneskjol makes sense now
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04:54 Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $500 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1006/ Odds: 80(Y):20(N) by coin, 76(Y):24(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.597 BTC. Current weight: 72,569.
04:59 RagnarDanneskjol btc @ 499 on btce, good times
05:02 wyrdmantis ;;last
05:02 gribble [04:59:08] <RagnarDanneskjol> btc @ 499 on btce, good times
05:05 wyrdmantis ;;ticker
05:05 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 511.26, Best ask: 511.8, Bid-ask spread: 0.54000, Last trade: 511.8, 24 hour volume: 30566.58153234, 24 hour low: 506.66, 24 hour high: 558.0, 24 hour vwap: 537.336702671
05:06 wyrdmantis http://coinfinance.com/news/creating-the-largest-highest-density-bitcoin-community-in-the-world
05:06 assbot Creating The Largest, Highest-Density Bitcoin Community In The World
05:06 wyrdmantis wow such marketing
05:11 RagnarDanneskjol sounds uncomfortable, like this: http://static.messynessychic.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/kowlooncity.jpg
05:13 RagnarDanneskjol hadn't seen this one before: http://www.btcbeauties.com/
05:13 assbot bitcoin-beauties-
05:13 Bet placed: 1.00089999 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $500 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1006/ Odds: 81(Y):19(N) by coin, 78(Y):22(N) by weight. Total bet: 12.5979 BTC. Current weight: 72,548.
05:15 xmj http://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/konjunktur/nachrichten/neue-bip-berechnung-guten-morgen-wir-sind-reicher-seite-all/10329916-all.html
05:15 assbot Neue BIP-Berechnung: Guten Morgen, wir sind reicher! - Konjunktur - Politik - Handelsblatt
05:15 mircea_popescu looking into the source page... lol.
05:15 xmj this is how you make yourself EUR 80 bln richer, overnight: just include black market transactions in government GDP.
05:15 RagnarDanneskjol rough looking chicks in there
05:17 xmj meh
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05:51 pankkake https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/08/new_snowden_int.html
05:51 assbot Schneier on Security: New Snowden Interview in Wired
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07:45 Bet placed: 1.14323086 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $500 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1006/ Odds: 83(Y):17(N) by coin, 80(Y):20(N) by weight. Total bet: 14.13927827 BTC. Current weight: 72,380.
07:56 chetty Goooood Morning B-A
08:00 RagnarDanneskjol howdy
08:00 pankkake !up drawingthesun
08:00 pankkake !up CoalPowerGorilla
08:01 jurov afternoon
08:01 jurov almost every time i do something with hardware, there is blood
08:01 jurov yuck
08:02 pankkake :o never got to that point, though I often hurt
08:02 drawingthesun Hey
08:04 RagnarDanneskjol I'm on the other end, everytime I do something with software, there is blood and gnashing of teeth
08:05 jurov literal blood?
08:06 RagnarDanneskjol sometimes
08:06 RagnarDanneskjol fists against monitor and such
08:09 jurov unless you still use CRTs you must be pretty feeble creatures
08:12 RagnarDanneskjol Yes, I still rock a CRT 2nd screen for nostalgia & to help accelerate global warming
08:23 Duffer1 appendectomy
08:23 Duffer1 stomach is a basketball
08:23 Duffer1 it's good to be home
08:25 chetty Duffer1, ouch, wb, get well
08:25 Duffer1 oh thanks chetty :)
08:26 chetty !up wyrdmantis
08:27 wyrdmantis thanks chetty, i can voice myself now
08:29 chetty cool, grats wyrdmantis
08:34 wyrdmantis ;;seen punkman
08:34 gribble punkman was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 hours, 45 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <punkman> you wash some of your own btc, jerk some puppets, the muppets won't be able to resist
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08:50 wywialm hi
08:52 wyrdmantis hi wywialm
08:52 wywialm hi wyrdmantis
08:53 wyrdmantis ;;gettrust wyrdmantis
08:53 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask wyrdmantis!570281e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.2.129.230. Trust relationship from user wyrdmantis to user wyrdmantis: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=wyrdmantis&dest=wyrdmantis | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=wyrdmantis | Rated since: Mon Aug 11 07:05:19 2014
08:57 pankkake http://btctrading.wordpress.com/2014/08/14/short-term-update-genuine-crash-at-bitfinex-or-an-orchestrated-manipulation/
08:57 assbot Short Term Update: genuine crash at bitfinex or an orchestrated manipulation? | Bitcoin Trading Signals
08:58 wyrdmantis so this bitcoin empire we must obey :)
09:01 wyrdmantis "I see manipulation" <<<--- seems legit
09:13 wyrdmantis seems that i have to learn doing something useful for the WoT. I think what i know is not enough. I'm thinking to open a blog in Italian about my first steps in b-a, so people in italy can understand what is happening. Do you think it's a good idea?
09:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1158 @ 0.00175135 = 2.0281 BTC [-] {7}
09:28 chetty blogs are always a good idea
09:30 mircea_popescu wyrdmantis well, maybe, but if them people don't speak english they'll have a hard time understanding.
09:31 mircea_popescu Enky doesn't that look suspiciously like http://trilema.com/2012/icbitse-the-bucket-shop/ ?
09:31 assbot Icbit.se, the bucket shop pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
09:33 wyrdmantis mircea_popescu yeah it will be just a translation service
09:34 mircea_popescu Io parlo italiano :)
09:41 wyrdmantis mircea_popescu pizza spaghetti & mandolino!
09:41 mircea_popescu no, en serio.
09:42 wyrdmantis ottimo allora mi capisci :)
09:42 mircea_popescu si.
09:43 wyrdmantis ma non abiti in italia, vero?
09:43 mircea_popescu ora in argentina.
09:51 RagnarDanneskjol Does anyone know how to buy btc on the street in china? resources/directories, etc
09:57 wyrdmantis RagnarDanneskjol no sorry, but would be interesting to know
09:59 RagnarDanneskjol yea - Im sure they have some go-to network that most folks use - All i know of is Bobby Lee. I have a client who needs to pay me a retainer and they are new to all this so need to figure it out for them, show them the ropes, but I got no clue
10:01 wyrdmantis http://reason.com/reasontv/2014/08/12/tech-visionary-george-gilder-bitcoin-is
10:02 assbot Tech Visionary George Gilder: "Bitcoin is the Libertarian Solution to the Money Enigma." - Reason.com
10:02 Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $500 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1006/ Odds: 85(Y):15(N) by coin, 82(Y):18(N) by weight. Total bet: 15.94927827 BTC. Current weight: 72,230.
10:05 wyrdmantis RagnarDanneskjol can't they buy bitcoins on OKcoin?
10:08 RagnarDanneskjol Sure, but I think there are approval times, limits, etc. They want to send me a large retainer fee [10k] like yesterday, and I want to have them to learn it the right way
10:11 RagnarDanneskjol I guess I should be asking this in otc
10:14 asciilifeform http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/08/permission-to-steal-everything.html << mega-lol
10:14 assbot ClubOrlov: Permission to Steal Everything
10:19 RagnarDanneskjol HA good lulz, great blog
10:24 wyrdmantis intersting blog, yes, thanks asciilifeform
10:24 wywialm asciilifeform, Orlov seems to be one of the best informed people I read on the Ukrainian affair
10:26 wywialm especially with regard to details
10:27 wywialm on the other hand, he sometimes is pretty one-sided
10:32 wyrdmantis i cant form an opinion but his version sounds more accurate
10:33 wyrdmantis media here in italy are superficial and manipulated
10:34 wywialm true, yet the russian media also add a lot of propaganda and russian population seems to be much more susceptible
10:35 wyrdmantis world is a mess
10:37 asciilifeform can't wait for the west to get carved up into fictional bantustans and the folks who object to be called propagandists.
10:38 pankkake ;;ticker --low
10:38 gribble 497.0
10:40 wyrdmantis asciilifeform are you referring to the immigration problem in europe?
10:40 asciilifeform wyrdmantis: nope. breakup of ussr
10:41 asciilifeform wyrdmantis: and the resulting cluttering of the map with fictional countries having no functioning military, economy, etc.
10:41 nubbins` http://imgur.com/IVmdOIh
10:41 assbot imgur: the simple image sharer
10:41 asciilifeform (but plenty of rabid 'patriots')
10:41 nubbins` ^ he shoulda just called this album "totally not on coke", amirite?!?!
10:43 jurov asciilifeform are there ingredients that enable it, like religion/language?
10:43 asciilifeform jurov: sometimes (e.g. kazakhstan) - at other times, a regional dialect was reworked with american help into a constructed 'language' (ukraine)
10:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.30297465 = 1.8178 BTC [+] {3}
10:44 jurov well, who'll help the muricans develop their languages?
10:44 BigBitz <$500 settled. good bet.
10:45 asciilifeform who will 'help' the americans, remains to be seen
10:45 asciilifeform (other than the 'four horsemen' naturally)
10:46 jurov you'll certainly find some foreign entity to blame in hindsight, ofc
10:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.32896566 = 16.4483 BTC [+] {14}
10:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1300 @ 0.00316671 = 4.1167 BTC [+] {11}
10:49 penguirker New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/08/14/the-bitcoin-dumping-charade/
10:57 wywialm asciilifeform, what countries do you suspect of being first in the line, apart from baltic & ukraine, as they barely can be classified as 'the west'
11:03 jurov perhaps scotland?
11:05 wywialm yeah, that would be a good shot, a independence + rather leftist political climate
11:08 wywialm but it is relatively off-center. the continental Europe is still very centralist, Russia does not have strength to penetrate it
11:10 wywialm Poland is on the frontier, but any pro-regional tendencies are almost nonexistent. moreover it is a very hard nation to administer and russians when they were stronger did not risk running it on their own
11:16 wywialm jurov, http://www.bbc.com/news/events/scotland-decides/poll-tracker as Scotland remains within UK, the bantustan scenario is more unlikely
11:16 assbot Scottish independence referendum - Poll Tracker - BBC News
11:24 TomServo I'm sure you guys will love this one: http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2014/08/whats-matter-with-pgp.html
11:24 assbot A Few Thoughts on Cryptographic Engineering: What's the matter with PGP?
11:24 TomServo "It's time for PGP to die."
11:26 dignork TomServo: main point if this article, gpg is not friendly enough for the masses. People running running windows, using facebook, posting photos of the ir credit cards on twitter.
11:31 pankkake I follow this blog, but that article was pretty weak
11:32 pankkake you'll never remove the learning curve of security, or you'll just provide bad security
11:32 pankkake and then "the defaults suck" well, ok, but why reinvent the wheel instead of changing them?
11:40 dignork on other hand, this description of TLS nightmare was amazing http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2014/04/attack-of-week-triple-handshakes-3shake.html
11:40 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
11:40 assbot A Few Thoughts on Cryptographic Engineering: Attack of the Week: Triple Handshakes (3Shake)
11:40 asciilifeform re: the pgp piece << classic hatchet job
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11:43 pete_dushenski https://twitter.com/cryptoweather/status/499935320558034944 << le flattery
11:43 assbot The Bitcoin dumping charade, explained: http://t.co/8ktvAWcPqG
11:43 pete_dushenski @cryptoweather: @pete_dushenski that's some bizarre ass language.
11:47 Bet placed: 8 BTC for No on "S.MG above 2x par on October 1st, 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/791/ Odds: 8(Y):92(N) by coin, 13(Y):87(N) by weight. Total bet: 15.24992437 BTC. Current weight: 23,853.
11:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 10.62588912 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 924 satoshi per share
12:00 penguirker New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-price-under-500/
12:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.76657328 BTC to 13`862 shares, 12744 satoshi per share
12:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] [PAID] 3.31314540 BTC to 162`012 shares, 2045 satoshi per share
12:08 wyrdmantis https://blog.coinjar.com/2014/05/30/pledge-bitcoin-kill-zombies/
12:08 assbot Pledge Bitcoin, Kill Zombies. | CoinJar Blog
12:08 wyrdmantis lol
12:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2001 @ 0.00166775 = 3.3372 BTC [-] {9}
12:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 1000 @ 0.00061999 = 0.62 BTC [-]
12:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 184 @ 0.006 = 1.104 BTC [-]
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12:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9469 @ 0.00005299 = 0.5018 BTC [+]
13:13 pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=739232.0
13:13 assbot World's biggest angel investor is Visa & Mastercard - do you want in?
13:18 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
13:18 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 520.0, vol: 25543.65927264 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 516.921, vol: 10879.90304 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 515.74, vol: 38948.88757602 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 537.88, vol: 94.37342622 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 510.34425, vol: 9760.91140000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 513.62215, vol: 16.72179682 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 529.254, vol: 135.78570134 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
13:20 ben_vulpes ;;ticker
13:20 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 518.71, Best ask: 519.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.28000, Last trade: 519.99, 24 hour volume: 25534.83203354, 24 hour low: 497.0, 24 hour high: 555.0, 24 hour vwap: 521.399046324
13:20 ben_vulpes 2014 - lost year?
13:22 punkman pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=739232.0 <- ninja shogun?
13:22 assbot World's biggest angel investor is Visa & Mastercard - do you want in?
13:23 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Seems like it now, but... Still a few months left
13:25 ben_vulpes punkman: reads like it.
13:25 ben_vulpes punkman: are you active on the forums? would you post a link to
13:25 ben_vulpes !s ninjashogun cereal
13:25 assbot 2 results for 'ninjashogun cereal' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=ninjashogun+cereal
13:26 punkman ben_vulpes: no I don't forum
13:27 ben_vulpes who forums?
13:27 punkman this is the forum anyway
13:38 kakobrekla !s storj
13:38 assbot 2 results for 'storj' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=storj
13:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 336 @ 0.001685 = 0.5662 BTC [-] {2}
13:44 kakobrekla ben_vulpes, cant. banned again.
13:45 kakobrekla the third or fourth time. i think i get the message now.
13:46 BingoBoingo I think kako_Number_5 will stick on the forum
13:47 kakobrekla not worth it, my handles dont last 5 posts.
13:48 TomServo Could someone fill in the blanks for me on how the connection between ninjashogun and usg was made? Sounds like an average scammer to me.
13:48 asciilifeform TomServo: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ninjashogun.txt
13:49 TomServo asciilifeform: I think I've read that twice now... I must be too dense to see the connection?
13:49 TomServo Or just the fact he was suggesting to cripple the cardano?
13:50 asciilifeform artfully.
13:50 BigBitz Oh Christ.
13:50 BigBitz ninjashogun.
13:51 asciilifeform he started here as 'robwizz22' and changed handles, as he promised to do in the tail end of ninjashogun.txt
13:51 asciilifeform or was it the other way around
13:52 * asciilifeform can't be bothered to remember
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14:32 HeySteve hello. for those who'd like to try out my game, the testnet chapter is up: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=736132
14:32 assbot COINAN: The Wrath of BitCrom - Blockchain-Powered Online Gamebook with Gambling
14:36 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 787 @ 0.0028001 = 2.2037 BTC [-]
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15:17 kdomanski !up nam-shub
15:18 nam-shub save ferris!
15:19 asciilifeform http://withendemanndom.blogspot.com/2014/07/slavoj-zizek-philosophaster-and_9.html << mega-lol
15:19 assbot Wi Endemanndom
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15:38 pete_dushenski http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=BRK-A+Interactive#symbol=BRK-A;range=1d << warren cracks $200k
15:38 assbot Berkshire Hathaway Inc. Common Stock Chart | BRK-A Interactive Chart - Yahoo! Finance
15:41 kakobrekla ;;ticker
15:41 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 513.73, Best ask: 515.35, Bid-ask spread: 1.62000, Last trade: 515.36, 24 hour volume: 24866.80245369, 24 hour low: 497.0, 24 hour high: 551.86, 24 hour vwap: 520.050303533
15:41 HeySteve KMac, scholarly troll extraordinaire
15:41 kakobrekla ;;calc 202730/520
15:41 gribble 389.865384615
15:47 Bet created: "Bitcoin under $100 before New Year" http://bitbet.us/bet/1023/
15:48 Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Berkshire Hathaway BRK-B to close at over $135 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/964/ Odds: 86(Y):14(N) by coin, 81(Y):19(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.3 BTC. Current weight: 64,982.
15:48 Bet placed: 23 BTC for No on "1BTC >= $10,000 USD" http://bitbet.us/bet/635/ Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 16(Y):84(N) by weight. Total bet: 670.49826824 BTC. Current weight: 27,204.
15:52 kdomanski http://imgur.com/YzkA0Gy seriously?
15:52 assbot imgur: the simple image sharer
15:57 HeySteve kdomanski I remember an MP article on that stuff, conclusion being that a unique address is better
15:57 kdomanski I read that one
15:57 kdomanski it's sweet how they linked to a "research article"
15:58 kdomanski "you gotta but this! science says you do!"
15:58 HeySteve yeah I wouldn't pay those domain squatters, they're like lazy thieves
15:58 kdomanski s/but/buy/
15:59 HeySteve I believe they pre-register a lot of commercially desirable names, like for medicines, vehicles and probably other stuff
15:59 HeySteve bullshit leech industry
16:05 kdomanski__ goddamn mobile internet
16:06 kdomanski__ HeySteve: I read an article once about registrars who preemtively register domains that people check for availability
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16:22 BingoBoingo !up wyrdmantis
16:33 dignork http://www.matlabtrading.net/main/2014/08/14/bitfinex-margin-call-cascade-algorithm-explained/
16:33 assbot Bitfinex: cascading margin calls resulting in flash crash - MATLAB TRADING
16:34 dignork probably confusing cause an effect
16:36 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
16:36 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 515.39, vol: 24860.40283364 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 512.226, vol: 10810.34961 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 512.5, vol: 38798.64924902 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 539.63, vol: 67.88741951 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 508.73875, vol: 10013.49190000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 513.62215, vol: 16.67179682 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 519.898633663, vol: 133.82728489 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
16:44 BingoBoingo %t
16:44 atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 188 Ask: 221 Last Price: 188 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A
16:45 mircea_popescu 0 volume ? fo reals ?
16:46 BingoBoingo %d
16:46 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 187555.13 in 1982 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -90.01
16:46 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Looks like the not unknown post dump standoff
16:46 mircea_popescu so retarded lol
16:47 mircea_popescu ;;bc,diff
16:47 gribble Error: "bc,diff" is not a valid command.
16:48 mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats
16:48 gribble Current Blocks: 315642 | Current Difficulty: 1.9729645940577133E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 316511 | Next Difficulty In: 869 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 22 hours, 30 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 23610240555.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 19.66885
16:48 mircea_popescu ;;calc 25/19729645940.577133 * 1878190.93
16:48 gribble 0.00237990957321
16:49 mircea_popescu is it 512 atcs per block ?
16:49 mircea_popescu ;;calc 0.00237990957321 / 512
16:49 gribble 4.64826088518e-06
16:49 BingoBoingo Yeah 512 per block
16:49 BingoBoingo %t
16:49 atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 188 Ask: 221 Last Price: 188 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A
16:49 BingoBoingo %d
16:49 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 187555.13 in 1982 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -90.01
16:49 BingoBoingo %p
16:49 atcbot [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.09 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1613.00 GH/s
16:50 mircea_popescu so 0.00000464 or 464 satoshi per atc at current diff, 46 satoshi per atc at next diff.
16:51 BingoBoingo It's amazing really that the stuff trades in the middle of those two extremes
16:51 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
16:51 pete_dushenski http://www.theonion.com/articles/tips-for-being-an-unarmed-black-teen,36697/
16:51 assbot Tips For Being An Unarmed Black Teen | The Onion - America's Finest News Source
16:51 BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/rabite/status/500017905619443712
16:51 assbot A travel agent just gave me back my money and said that he didnt feel comfortable with booking my flight. No federal interference here!
16:52 pete_dushenski "Try to see it from a police officer’s point of view: You may be unarmed, but you’re also black"
16:53 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo tell him it's probably someone who had invested in his failed keiser-led kickstarter clone thing.
16:53 mircea_popescu "you're a famous failure nao, bitch. deal with it."
16:55 BingoBoingo lol, I'll let him wonder. Some lessons sting more with a few years of hindsight.
16:55 mircea_popescu good to have for when he finally capitulates, 2020 or w/e.
16:55 mircea_popescu ima just go !s "you're a famous failure nao, bitch. deal with it." and all the greybeards will chuckle privately.
16:56 assbot Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0KQA9ET.txt )
16:56 BingoBoingo !b 5
16:57 mircea_popescu que "i'm such a jerk, and history coming to bite one in the ass is so unfair, and what sort of usg democracy is this where responsibility exists!!1"
16:57 mircea_popescu they were promised irresponsibility without consequence and a shot at megaupside, DANG IT!!!!
16:58 mircea_popescu free lottery tickets and billion dolar jackpots, that's what the american dream is all about!
17:01 mircea_popescu getting back to the atc thing,
17:02 mircea_popescu ;;calc 2048 * (188 - 46) / 100000000
17:02 gribble 0.00290816
17:02 mircea_popescu ;;calc 2048 * 512 * (188 - 46) / 100000000
17:02 gribble 1.48897792
17:02 mircea_popescu right. so whoever's doing the hopping thing makes about 1k every 4k blocks, which works out to about... 20 weeks or so ?
17:03 mircea_popescu this is less than unemployment benefits, by almost a degree of magnitude.
17:04 mircea_popescu it never ceases to amaze me how cheap people will work for just as long as they're free, or in reverse, how fucking insanely much tyranny has to pay its drone worker.
17:06 BingoBoingo Amazing isn't it
17:06 mircea_popescu in other news, turns out laurina is a major brand on birth control pills.
17:06 chetty well how much would you want to be paid to do drone work?
17:07 asciilifeform how cheap people will work for just as long as they're free << this goes back to what people actually need money for
17:07 mircea_popescu in romanian it sounds like it were "Piss's", if Piss were a restaurant or something
17:07 mircea_popescu "Joe's Diner", "La Joe"
17:07 asciilifeform la urina ?
17:07 mircea_popescu myeah
17:07 asciilifeform therapist/the-rapist
17:08 mircea_popescu also lulzy, http://tenplay.com.au/channel-ten/the-bachelor/bachelorettes/laurina
17:08 assbot Laurina - Network Ten
17:09 mircea_popescu "What is your best asset and why? I’m very playful and easy to have fun with."
17:09 mircea_popescu I guess it beats "i trickle"
17:11 mircea_popescu "How are you going to stand out from the other Bachelorettes? Be myself."
17:11 mircea_popescu bwahahaha oh internets...
17:22 mircea_popescu ;;later tell RagnarDanneskjol had you reg'd with a gpg address like respectable folk i would now have everything I need to send you an email. wtf am i going to do with a bitcoin address ?
17:22 gribble The operation succeeded.
17:22 los_pantalones mircea_popescu, i think we are going to trade some ether with you
17:22 los_pantalones still interested
17:22 los_pantalones would be small size
17:23 los_pantalones i have to work out the details on our side but i wanted to check you first
17:23 mircea_popescu if you're not going to go into some version of "but why do i have to actually take some risk on, isn't this one of those deals where people just get free resources for being people, like from the government ?"
17:24 mircea_popescu cuz im kinda getting sick of that approach.
17:24 los_pantalones you tell me the terms of how you are interested
17:24 los_pantalones and i'll decide if we are going to trade
17:25 mircea_popescu i made a model, it's been linked a few times, lemme find it
17:25 mircea_popescu !s from:mircea_popescu pastebin
17:25 assbot 30 results for 'from:mircea_popescu pastebin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Amircea_popescu+pastebin
17:25 justusranvier I heard a theory about Ethereum which I'm not sure has been floated here before.
17:26 justusranvier The theory is it's a laundring operation of the exact form use by politial campain fundraising
17:26 mircea_popescu los_pantalones http://pastebin.com/9NUvgUuS there
17:26 assbot -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Future Delivery Contract Fo - Pastebin.com
17:26 justusranvier The Ether "investors" are the same vendors who are going be paid using the received Bitcoins.
17:26 mircea_popescu but just as long as there's a clear delineation of risk, and you undertake the risk of ethereum not going anywhere, we can prolly hammer something out
17:26 los_pantalones yeah, this is what i had in mind
17:27 los_pantalones i send, i risk today to aug, you deliver ether then
17:27 mircea_popescu justusranvier didja see you got baronized meanwhile btw ?
17:27 justusranvier I did. Thanks. Do I get a castle or something now? Vassals?
17:28 los_pantalones and it would be really small, ~30 something btc
17:28 mircea_popescu justusranvier well you get the ability to permavoice ppls.
17:28 los_pantalones i just signed your gpg too
17:28 mircea_popescu los_pantalones that 30 something btc would not only be the biggest anyone's entertained yet,
17:29 mircea_popescu but it would actually exceed the sum total of ~20 or so different parties.
17:29 justusranvier Useful.
17:29 mircea_popescu los_pantalones well no point in signing it, seeing how it doesn't have your name on it and its past its own expiration clause
17:30 los_pantalones no, i signed your gpg outside of this, got the company i'm working with to start to come around on the idea of everyone having one
17:30 los_pantalones so i thought you were the best place to start
17:30 mircea_popescu oh oh you mean you signed my gpg signature ?
17:30 los_pantalones yes
17:30 mircea_popescu yeah makes sense. and yeah, get the bums in the wot.
17:30 los_pantalones agreed, have to start somewhere
17:30 mircea_popescu who knows, maybe next time they open the books, a baron is you :D
17:30 los_pantalones but i started a new one connected to this company
17:30 los_pantalones ha
17:31 los_pantalones well, not if i'm the biggest fool of the bunch!
17:31 mircea_popescu you know this multisig thing is tempting conceptually, much like multi addresses seem the only way to go.
17:32 mircea_popescu however, in practice, one quickly discovers that value accumulates, and a signature or a btc address is more like a domain name than even a domain name.
17:32 BigBitz mutlisig is nice.
17:32 BigBitz multisig as well.
17:32 mircea_popescu BigBitz i didn't mean the power ranger derpage. i just meant, one having multiple gpg signatures.
17:32 BigBitz subkeys you mean?
17:33 los_pantalones nah, new pubkey
17:33 los_pantalones i have a personal one, attached to my activities outside of work
17:33 los_pantalones and one for work porpoises
17:34 mircea_popescu maybe that's the right way to go and i'm just seeing the particular effects of my very peculiar personality, where i have no problem receiving slut selfies on office@
17:34 los_pantalones i don't technically own the trust i earn working for this company
17:34 los_pantalones i think would be the argument they would make
17:35 mircea_popescu why not ?
17:35 mircea_popescu fuck them lol. of course you do.
17:35 mircea_popescu !up shovel_boss
17:35 shovel_boss much thanks
17:35 mircea_popescu the very point of personal sovereignity is that you do, not they.
17:35 shovel_boss why do i get voice but not the other 200 peoples
17:35 los_pantalones yes yes, but when i'm acting on their behalf am i acting as a sovereign entity?
17:35 mircea_popescu because you're that special.
17:35 mircea_popescu los_pantalones yes. always.
17:35 shovel_boss ohhh noice
17:36 mircea_popescu !up _Crypto
17:36 mircea_popescu los_pantalones in the immortal words of pappy, "and on this issue there can be no debate"
17:36 los_pantalones ok well there are very well defined IP ownership clauses in my contract and i just thought this made sense as a starting point
17:36 mircea_popescu hey, im more into discussing the thing for the intellectual sake of theory
17:36 los_pantalones perhaps i'll merge them as it becomes clearer to me but it seemed like a cheap option to do it this way
17:36 mircea_popescu than anything
17:36 mircea_popescu i can see it.
17:37 shovel_boss mircea_popescu, mate can i post a channel name here
17:37 mircea_popescu you can, but it won't do much
17:37 shovel_boss ok mate
17:37 shovel_boss i do TA(technical analysis, tell you when to buy or sell) on coins, i do it for anyone and any coin.you can join me at #shovel_boss crypto related and un related chat everyone is welcome :)
17:37 mircea_popescu lol vanity chan srsly ?
17:37 jurov lol
17:37 pankkake even #bitcoin-assets isn't named #mircea_popescu
17:37 mircea_popescu they had a ta chan but i don't recall what it was atm
17:38 shovel_boss ahahahah, ok
17:38 shovel_boss i want to rename it sometime soon
17:38 mircea_popescu omg pankzzing
17:38 shovel_boss but people know me from twitter
17:38 shovel_boss so i named it shovel_boss :D
17:39 jurov what is the near term outlook?
17:39 jurov the price will be stable unless it changes?
17:39 chetty to the moon
17:40 jurov it was #bitcoin-anal no?
17:41 BingoBoingo pankkake> even #bitcoin-assets isn't named #mircea_popescu << #Kako_Chat would be a nice name for a channel
17:45 mircea_popescu -ChanServ- #iamaslut is now registered to mircea_popescu.
17:45 mircea_popescu !up RBecker
17:45 RBecker i'm idented :P hi
17:45 mircea_popescu ;;ident RBecker
17:45 gribble Nick 'RBecker', with hostmask 'RBecker!~RBecker@openvpn/user/RBecker', is identified as user 'RBecker', with GPG key id 8B2731A00F23E23F, key fingerprint 2C423D6DAE3CE952191B66EC8B2731A00F23E23F, and bitcoin address 1FgELbRe6ZnRU6xC4PvTXfDozEiAxVNL5P
17:46 mircea_popescu uh who the hell are you ?!
17:46 mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot RBecker
17:46 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask RBecker!~RBecker@openvpn/user/RBecker. Trust relationship from user assbot to user RBecker: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=RBecker | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=RBecker | Rated since: Sat May 7 15:15:25 2011
17:47 mircea_popescu o look at that, old timers so old even mp has nfi.
17:47 mircea_popescu for a moment i imagined pete_dushenski's rebecca's name actually is becker. for maximal lulz.
17:50 BingoBoingo !Up diana_coman
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18:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.30337504 = 1.5169 BTC [-] {3}
18:20 mthreat I just found out I'm a lord
18:21 dignork mthreat: congrats :)
18:22 mircea_popescu cue seinfeld finding out "She's into it".
18:22 artifexd ;;gettrust assbot mthreat
18:22 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask mthreat!~chris@cpe-70-116-50-78.austin.res.rr.com. Trust relationship from user assbot to user mthreat: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 5 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=mthreat | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mthreat | Rated since: Fri Jun 6 20:38:22 2014
18:22 mircea_popescu "i'd have to get new friends, orgy friends"
18:22 mthreat I'll have to buy a funny hat, or something
18:22 mircea_popescu "I'd have to grow a moustache and get all kinds of robes and lotions and I'd need a new bedspread and new ... "
18:22 mthreat Elton John is a lord, too, right?
18:23 mircea_popescu yeah, the right honorable sir elton john of butts.
18:24 mircea_popescu ahahhah if this style becomes a thing where one's known as Chris, Lord Mthreat or Juraj, Lord Jurov it'll be the lol of all time.
18:25 mircea_popescu the lorld of all time
18:28 mthreat the hardest street names to pronounce in Buenos Aires are the English ones, because they pronounce them as if they were spanish
18:28 mircea_popescu i could not get someone to take me to thames st.
18:28 mthreat "Thames" is "Tah-mez"
18:29 mircea_popescu lol.
18:29 mthreat I' not even sure what "loyola" will be
18:29 mircea_popescu loyola is spanish.
18:29 mthreat "loshola"
18:29 mthreat ya i guess it is
18:29 mircea_popescu problem is they think spanish is "casteshan" over here, and they speak spanish
18:29 mthreat there's a "Loyola Lane" in Austi
18:29 mthreat n
18:29 mircea_popescu except they speak kurdish.
18:30 mircea_popescu and i'll be drawn and quartered before i say lavalle like it was la vache.
18:30 mircea_popescu fucking insulting to the poor man's memory.
18:30 mircea_popescu (but if you want lulz at a party, ask local girl to say "lavalle qui rit")
~ 28 minutes ~
18:59 mthreat BRK breaks $200k
19:08 chetty http://www.politicalears.com/blog/bush-exonerated-isis-uncovers-weapons-of-mass-destruction-in-iraq/?utm_content=buffer7848d&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
19:08 assbot BUSH EXONERATED: ISIS UNCOVERS WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION IN IRAQ
19:11 nkuttler lulz
19:16 pete_dushenski dear bitbet mods, please to close http://bitbet.us/bet/1006/bitcoin-to-drop-under-500-before-october/ after low of $497 as per https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/bitstamp/btcusd
19:16 assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $500 before October :: 14.06 B (85%) on Yes, 2.47 B (15%) on No | closing in 1 month 1 week| weight: 71`620 (100`000 to 5`000)
19:16 assbot Bitstamp BTC/USD Charts - BitcoinWisdom
19:16 BingoBoingo ;;ticker
19:16 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 510.39, Best ask: 513.92, Bid-ask spread: 3.53000, Last trade: 513.92, 24 hour volume: 25563.58509467, 24 hour low: 497.0, 24 hour high: 551.86, 24 hour vwap: 516.653330765
19:17 pete_dushenski mmm spread...
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19:34 BingoBoingo !up thestringpuller
19:34 BingoBoingo !up godovo
19:37 mircea_popescu !up werds
19:40 BingoBoingo !up thestringpuller
19:40 mircea_popescu !up copain_reac
19:40 mircea_popescu lol.
19:40 Namworld That blog looks like the onion. Not visually I mean.
19:43 Namworld lol at related amazon wares
19:43 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: i am interviewing an assistant. part of the requiremenets are for her to get in wot. if you still need "office-esque" stuff done, she will be in channel in the future
19:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.02523161 = 0.5046 BTC [-]
19:53 godovo quick question - just how large are the "large early holdings"? except for the satoshi's
19:56 penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/la-serenissima-and-personal-sovereignty/
19:56 godovo not letting usg "get in" for cheap is directly related to the size of the early holdings
19:58 mircea_popescu thestringpuller not bad!
19:58 mircea_popescu Namworld which ?
19:58 pete_dushenski "Australian law firm Clayton Utz has developed a smartphone app for companies facing dawn raids on their offices from police, antitrust and securities regulators, and tax officers."
19:58 pete_dushenski "The Clayton Utz app allows in-house lawyers to choose which regulator is raiding their offices and guides them through how they need to act. It’s designed to be used even if regulators shut down an internal computer system."
19:58 mircea_popescu godovo bout 5mn give or take.
19:59 godovo are they "all or nothing"?
20:00 mircea_popescu plus minus four or so. yes, that'd be the idea.
20:01 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: footnote ii "What are you waifing for ?" << waiting?
20:02 mircea_popescu ;;google waif
20:02 gribble Home - WAIF, Whidbey Animals' Improvement Foundation - WAIF ...: <http://www.waifanimals.org/>; Waif - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waif>; WAIF 88.3 FM CINCINNATI: The Way Radio Was Meant To Be: <http://www.waif883.org/>
20:02 mircea_popescu meh.
20:02 mircea_popescu !up starsocceraway
20:02 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski it's supposed to be a play on words.
20:02 pete_dushenski ;;ud waif
20:02 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=waif | Apple touch icon Download the Free App! 1. waif. a very skinny person, especially woman. 1) supermodel kate moss 2)check out that waif-like indie chick .
20:03 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: lol aite i can dig it
20:05 mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/1006/bitcoin-to-drop-under-500-before-october/ lol peepz is having a riot.
20:05 assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $500 before October :: 14.06 B (85%) on Yes, 2.47 B (15%) on No | closing in 1 month 1 week| weight: 71`566 (100`000 to 5`000)
20:06 pete_dushenski "Why would you bet on no 3 separate times after the bet was satisfied yes?" << i wonder the same thing
20:06 mircea_popescu makes 3 of us.
20:07 pete_dushenski something smells fishy
20:07 kakobrekla gj not reusing the addy.
20:08 pete_dushenski godovo: i'm guessing you read http://contravex.com/2014/08/14/the-bitcoin-dumping-charade/
20:08 assbot The Bitcoin Dumping Charade | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
20:08 pete_dushenski basically, this is the usg's attempt to "kill" bitcoin
20:08 pete_dushenski they've no other avenue
20:09 pete_dushenski regulation ain't gonna cut the mustard, so why not print their way out like they always do?
20:09 pete_dushenski this will end predictably
20:09 assbot godovo +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
20:10 kakobrekla !up godovo
20:10 pete_dushenski but not before we all write a few more articles, sweat a few more bullets, and watch as the salvos wizz by
20:10 godovo ye I did
20:11 pete_dushenski kakobrekla: lol those bitbet trolls.
20:11 godovo so can't this be considered a pathetic attempt?
20:11 pete_dushenski depends where your own personal bar for pathetic lies, i suppose
20:12 godovo I mean, they know the early holdings are there and not going anywhere
20:12 pete_dushenski they might, but again, they have no choice but to do what they're doing
20:13 pete_dushenski at least they don't think so
20:13 cazalla pete_dushenski, why be bitcent racist, i only bet bitcents :\
20:13 ben_vulpes the best part of python is the "if this blows up"-driven control flow.
20:13 pete_dushenski godovo they could also voluntarily submit, of course
20:14 pete_dushenski but that would be rather out of sorts for a nation who imagines themselves the most powerful and important in the world
20:14 pete_dushenski cazalla: i guess it's more than most people wager
20:19 godovo what happens if they succeed to kill it's "mass appeal" tho? be it via insane price swings (the volatility argument), or by having big, known "holders" dumping big time?
20:20 justusranvier godovo: Mass appeal doesn't matter.
20:20 godovo the large early holdings will not move, yes, but at the same "redditors" will be hesitant to buy in
20:21 justusranvier redditors don't matter
20:21 godovo justusranvier: is it so?
20:21 justusranvier Bitcoin doesn't need to do anything but continue to exist in order to win.
20:22 justusranvier The central bank-issued currencies of the world are committing coordinated suicide.
20:22 godovo I thought the current market price is the reflection of exactly that
20:22 godovo it will certainly exist, but at what market cap?
20:22 BingoBoingo The current market shit seems to be an effort to make "paper" BTC a thing like it was at Gox, and well, cycles repeat themselves
20:23 justusranvier Do you have ADD or something? Zoom out, switch to a log scale, and be patient.
20:23 pete_dushenski "Japan GDP Plunges 6.8%, Consumption Down 19.2%, Private Investment Down 9.7%"
20:24 justusranvier It took almost 2 years to recover from the 2011 Goxxing, and the decline was far more severe than this selloff.
20:25 justusranvier BingoBoingo: No matter how often you tell people they don't actually own Bitcoins if somebody else controls the private keys, they don't seem to listen.
20:25 pete_dushenski justusranvier: well this one isn't done yet
20:26 justusranvier pete_dushenski: Right, and it hasn't even been a year yet. Too soon to start panicking.
20:26 godovo justusranvier: I'm not yield hungry - it's just that I don't understand what is happening. are they trying to kill it, or jump the train?
20:28 justusranvier There might not be a unified "they" all acting with a single purpose
20:29 TheNewDeal hey that was my comment
20:29 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: for people who're used to keeping hundreds of thousands of dollars at the broker and uncomfortable with their own computer security it's a not unreasonable position.
20:29 TheNewDeal 15gkx is definitely a bot
20:29 ben_vulpes doesn't mean it's not going to fuck them.
20:30 ben_vulpes ;;8ball write another python script or catch up on logs?
20:30 gribble Naturally.
20:31 ben_vulpes okay that's my fault.
20:31 ben_vulpes ;;8ball get another beer?
20:31 gribble The outlook is hazy, please ask again later.
20:31 ben_vulpes i'll take that as a yes
20:32 ben_vulpes ;;8ball read logs?
20:32 gribble The answer is a resounding no.
20:32 ben_vulpes FUCK YOU TOO GRIBBLE
20:32 TheNewDeal hahaha
20:32 justusranvier THe medium term solution to possible price manipulation is to get the bitcoins off the exchanges and web wallets
20:33 mircea_popescu godovo> so can't this be considered a pathetic attempt?
20:33 mircea_popescu pathetic or valiant, depends where you sleep.
20:33 mircea_popescu <pete_dushenski> cazalla: i guess it's more than most people wager << actually average is like 1btc
20:33 BingoBoingo And how soundly one sleeps.
20:34 mircea_popescu <godovo> what happens if they succeed to kill it's "mass appeal" tho? be it via insane price swings (the volatility argument), or by having big, known "holders" dumping big time? << bitcoin does not, never had and never will have mass apeal.
20:34 mircea_popescu bitcoin is the anti-mass.
20:36 * asciilifeform even thinks that the remaining 'mass appeal' must go away entirely - before anything like stability happens
20:36 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: i was more comparing cazalla to people with no bitcoin lol
20:36 mircea_popescu in richard's words, "there's a mass that follows me because it follows anything that moves."
20:36 godovo but your whole world domination thing is centered around it gaining huge value and the fiats dying off - how can it happen without the mass appeal?
20:37 mircea_popescu the bar for the mass temporarily thinking something appeals is incredibly low. take nikki minaj.
20:37 mircea_popescu godovo by it gaining elite appeal.
20:37 mircea_popescu not with the elites that were, mind you, the circular "elite because elite because elite"
20:37 mircea_popescu but with the elites that will be.
20:39 justusranvier http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#tgSzm1g10zm2g25zl
20:39 assbot Bitcoin Charts / Charts
20:39 justusranvier http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#tgSzm1g10zm2g25zl
20:39 assbot Bitcoin Charts / Charts
20:40 kakobrekla ;;google endoftheworld.swf
20:41 gribble End of the World. Flash Animation: <http://www.endofworld.net/>; endofworld.swf - End of the World: <http://endofworld.net/endofworld.swf>; End Of Ze World - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZMwKPmsbWE>
20:41 asciilifeform (hypothesis, straight from My Arse (TM) : usg 'spent' S SR coins to buy kS 'clean' coin, for some positive k > 1. these were dripped into 'eth' and are now being dumped.)
20:41 asciilifeform * < 1
20:41 asciilifeform danb
20:41 asciilifeform damn
20:41 * asciilifeform vacuums keyboard
20:42 justusranvier godovo: When the masses in the G7 countries experience a level of adversity compared to that of, for example, Argentina you won't need to explain to them why Bitcoin is important any more.
20:42 TheNewDeal what's with all the usg hypothesis?
20:42 TheNewDeal why can these be regular derps?
20:42 TheNewDeal cant*
20:43 justusranvier In general the people who you think about when you consider mass appeal will be the last ones to get into Bitcoin
20:43 asciilifeform TheNewDeal: regular derps presumably got vacuumed a year or two ago
20:43 mircea_popescu justusranvier you know contrary to what you may think people here are actually not feeling any adversity.
20:43 mircea_popescu here's an example : my buenos aires fanta screwdriver.
20:43 BingoBoingo lol
20:43 TheNewDeal hmph. I'm a regular derp and I'm just beginning
20:43 justusranvier mircea_popescu: Where is "here?"
20:43 ben_vulpes fanta screwdriver?
20:44 ben_vulpes soda and vodka?
20:44 mircea_popescu 6 kgs fresh oranges (35 pesos) -> 1.5liters juice ; 1.5l mineral water (15 pesos) ; fine local cognac, 700ml (80 pesos).
20:44 TheNewDeal today marks a glorius occasion, which is one to get in below my cost average
20:44 ben_vulpes in college i used to get the girlies pants off with cheap red wine and fanta.
20:44 mircea_popescu 120 peso = 10 dollars for... just about four liters.
20:44 mircea_popescu aka a galon.
20:44 mircea_popescu justusranvier argentina. i moved here, didn't you know ?
20:44 kakobrekla 6 kgs fresh oranges (35 pesos) -> 1.5liters juice ; 1.5l mineral water (15 pesos) ; fine local cognac, 700ml (80 pesos) ; holes in the wall (unfixable)
20:44 justusranvier I did not.
20:45 mircea_popescu kakobrekla i could fix em for about half what it costs in eeurope. thing is... why bother ?
20:45 mircea_popescu air is sweet.
20:45 mircea_popescu i tell you, "buenos aires" is no fucking joke. air is actually sweet.
20:45 justusranvier But for sure, the people who've lived there a while have gone through adversity. They've had a currency crash every decade or so.
20:45 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: We'd get punchbowls, a handle of gin, and mix with Orange Juice and Rainbow Sherbet
20:45 mircea_popescu justusranvier yes, but adversity on their own scale.
20:45 justusranvier Because they've experienced it, they know how to adapt.
20:46 mircea_popescu by this scale, a week in new york is a week in hell, the circle of horn rape
20:46 justusranvier I've heard that in general people there are a lot less squeemish about routing around bad government policy via black markets.
20:46 mircea_popescu quite. i've yet to actually do anything taxable.
20:46 mircea_popescu i pay in cash, get the vat back as a kickback, it's wunderbar.
20:47 assbot godovo +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
20:47 BingoBoingo !up godovo
20:47 ben_vulpes !up godovo
20:47 mircea_popescu anyway, http://trilema.com/2014/understanding-argentinas-coming-default-for-real-this-time/ if you care for local perspective.
20:47 assbot Understanding Argentinas Coming Default, For Real This Time pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
20:48 godovo why did you move there, mircea_popescu? why argentina?
20:48 justusranvier Sounds like an ideal place for Bitcoin adoption
20:49 godovo or a window into how west will look like (financially) in a few years?
20:49 justusranvier mircea_popescu: The Warlord is a rather obscure movie. I'm surprised to see that reference.
20:49 mircea_popescu good movie.
20:50 mircea_popescu godovo seems like a good place.
20:51 asciilifeform if the cognac is ~10 usd (0.12 usd / peso at today's official rate), the 700 mL is ~14 usd / liter. --> about what rotgut costs in wash. dc.
20:51 godovo Timisoara is a good place, too
20:52 godovo is it for the long-term, the move? I thought you were just traveling
20:52 justusranvier Funny thing about The Warlord is the younger brother is made out to be a villian and Charleton Heston made out to be heroic, however the younger brother is right every step of the way.
20:53 justusranvier Had he just listened, the entire movie would have been moot
20:53 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is really good stuff tho.
20:53 * asciilifeform believes
20:53 mircea_popescu ;;google reserva san juan extra anejo
20:53 gribble Queso Azul, Nueces, & Coñac – Blue Cheese, Nuts, & Brandy (or ...: <http://www.asadoargentina.com/queso-azul-nueces-conac-blue-cheese-nuts-brandy-or-cognac/>; The Tequila Superstore - Old Town Liquor | Order Tequila & Wine ...: <http://www.oldtowntequila.com/>; Old Town Liquor - The Tequila Superstore - Liquor Store | Facebook: <https://www.facebook.com/OldTownLiquor>
20:53 * asciilifeform did the arithmetic because believed
20:53 mircea_popescu justusranvier he's right "the wrong way" tho.
20:54 mircea_popescu he's not a knight, he's a rogue.
20:55 justusranvier Regardless.
20:55 mircea_popescu myeah.
20:56 mircea_popescu the same thing happens in science all the time
20:56 justusranvier The love interest gets married to a guy who she grew up with in the same house. Warlord refuses to allow the marriage on the grounds of incest. Problem averted.
20:56 mircea_popescu people who are fundamentally right get misrepresented as being utterly wrong because science progresses generally within a paradigm
20:56 mircea_popescu shifts are rare.
20:57 mircea_popescu justusranvier nah. 1) it wasn't incest by the legal definition they were using ; 2) warlord is no cleric.
20:57 asciilifeform do people not read tom kuhn any more ?
20:57 justusranvier Still, they needed his permission to get married. Means he could have denied it and saved a lot of death and property destruction.
20:58 * asciilifeform tried to find this film, or some discussion thereof - where is it ?
20:59 mircea_popescu justusranvier well the problem is... he couldn't have. this is like saying "usg could have fixed btc in 2010, saved a lot of 2014-16 headaches"
20:59 mircea_popescu no... they couldn't have.
20:59 mircea_popescu ;;google imdb the warlord charlton heston
20:59 gribble The War Lord (1965) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059896/>; The War Lord Reviews & Ratings - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059896/reviews>; The War Lord (1965) - Full Cast & Crew - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059896/fullcredits/>
20:59 mircea_popescu that thing
20:59 asciilifeform aha
21:02 justusranvier It's a story about how sitting on the fence is the worst possible outcome.
21:03 justusranvier Had the protagonist had simply been ruthless and calculating about getting what he wanted, he could have done so without provoking a revolt. If he had decided to do the right thing, he'd have kept it in his pants and avoided the entire crisis.
21:03 justusranvier By trying to do both, he lost everything.
21:04 justusranvier Moral of the story: If you're going to be a good person or an evil person, at least put in some reasonable effortwhichever option you choose.
21:07 mircea_popescu human condition yo.
21:08 mircea_popescu had you known which is evil and which is good, you could have saved a lot of headache.
21:10 decimation like the non-criminals who failed to murder hitler before he became Hitler
21:10 justusranvier Well "good" would be, "don't be a warlord". Since he'd already decided to adopt the "might makes right" standard of ethics by being in that profession, he would have been better off staying consistent.
21:15 Mexual hola
21:16 BingoBoingo Hello Mexual?
21:16 mircea_popescu the norman period warlord is not exactly a might makes right stand.
21:17 mircea_popescu it's more like a reverberation of the constantine emperors "holy host" approach to battle.
21:17 mircea_popescu ie, in being blessed by christ he will always be mighty enough.
21:18 justusranvier so you're saying they also incorporated superstition and psyops into their arsenal besides brute force
21:18 BingoBoingo Yeah
21:18 BingoBoingo Psyops is old homie
21:29 decimation re: warlord being consistent asshole (linked from a moldbug post): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgUqk2tl31o
21:29 assbot Shogun 1980 - Beach Scene - Instant Punishment - YouTube
21:30 decimation !up stormlight
21:33 decimation !up starsoccer
21:34 mircea_popescu justusranvier self-psyops ?
21:39 decimation from that eth blog announcement (I'm reading pete's blog): " The remaining 1500 BTC will be sent to a wallet controlled by ??V, our development arm, and will be used to establish our sites in Berlin and Amsterdam and begin hiring developers;"
21:39 decimation 1500 BTC ain't going to go very far in Berlin or Amsterdam
21:39 decimation that's like maybe 3 man-years of competent help?
21:41 TheNewDeal that's a pretty hefty salary...
21:42 decimation well, okay, you could hire 50 peons
21:42 decimation lol "and among the expenses the largest is legal at $296,000" << every scam has a scam-lawyer
21:42 TheNewDeal I would say 200 BTC / year would attract some competance
21:43 decimation in Berlin?
21:43 TheNewDeal I would assume so
21:46 decimation is there someone here from the UK that can explain why there is such hatred for Poles there?
21:46 nkuttler poles are awesome, and brits are envious
21:46 decimation like, why would you be sad if you were overrun with hard-working white people? Your daughters might marry them and have white babies?
21:46 nkuttler ?
21:46 decimation I'm being sarcastic
21:47 nkuttler and i thought you were being racist
21:47 decimation I guess it depends what you mean by the word "racist"
21:48 nkuttler white babies sounds white powerish to me
21:48 nkuttler but then, almost everybody here is "white" anyway, so what do i know..
21:49 decimation I suspect the median white father would desire to have a white grandchild, does that make him racist?
21:49 nkuttler no idea, you'd have to make a poll with white grandfathers
21:50 trixisowned is there a way to decrypt a signature without the message that generated it?
21:50 trixisowned eg if you only had GzNYSvXCmHcyUXifOjZ+J4cAc3P2WuywdbgfNspe2vw14+CCd4SC1gs6z8TmduovwyN0Zuh6lHT0dwUofNgX8hM=
21:50 trixisowned could you get what that said
21:50 nkuttler looks invalid
21:51 Mexual lol
21:51 decimation trixisowned: probably not, but you have left out many details
21:51 trixisowned nkuttler, thats one directly generated from the bitcoin qt client
21:51 trixisowned so, its not~
21:51 trixisowned http://i.imgur.com/M372VrH.png
21:51 trixisowned was just curious what mark was doing here
21:51 nkuttler ah yes, bug-free software exists
21:51 trixisowned they clearly say something
21:52 trixisowned he deleted the tweets
21:52 trixisowned after he posted them
21:52 trixisowned AkHf/St2Y68RiadVqkGhIyTE+og7xQctpJwi56WiHR68dXyG3Wi5NXvGLEsOSyT7aLHAHynhJLExWly9qYKLbKM=
21:52 trixisowned and
21:52 trixisowned AhvXyxUHl2D1hiwXKOKeuHRYEL1Nsmp9QYS08c0Emdub+A/G5rFstLg1THv+gzpNWTbqdKOyA8PrVCQ9KdBJLFs=
21:54 kakobrekla just some private keys or whatever
21:56 mircea_popescu <nkuttler> poles are awesome, and brits are envious << penis envy basically
21:57 mircea_popescu <decimation> I suspect the median white father would desire to have a white grandchild, does that make him racist? <<< this is very us/midwestern. i don't think a majority of europeans identify in those terms or specifically care.
21:58 mircea_popescu telling the mobster guy that "moors are niggers" and they did so much fucking with sicillian women they "changed the bloodline forever" bothers the dude mostly cause he's murican.
21:59 nkuttler mircea_popescu: are you polish? ;)
21:59 mircea_popescu nope.
22:01 mircea_popescu trixisowned you can trivially obtain the message from the signature : create all the combinations of letters and test.
22:01 decimation lol
22:01 nkuttler yeah, i was replying in the wrong window...
22:01 decimation the second string is not valid base64
22:02 mircea_popescu if you're lucky and he uses the smallcaps convention, it's something like 30 ^ length.
22:02 Mexual prolly french
22:03 mircea_popescu in other news, http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/08/08/leylamorgan-31634/images/full/14.jpg
22:04 nkuttler that doesn't seem appropriate
22:04 Mexual eye carumba
22:04 decimation mircea_popescu: while the european grandfather might 'not care', do you think he would prefer that the UK would be overrun by say, turks? or west african arabs?
22:04 cazalla speaking of labia, http://big-labia-infatuation.tumblr.com/
22:04 assbot Big labia appreciation location...
22:05 mircea_popescu decimation the problem in the proposition is the overrun part, not the ethnicity part.
22:05 mircea_popescu he wouldn't want the uk to be overrun by manchester dweebs either.
22:05 mircea_popescu not that it isn't, but anyway.
22:06 Mexual when they finnaly get off welfare and into a low paid job, they find poles doing it better, and feel dejected
22:06 decimation that's a good point. yeah, my impression of the modern uk is pretty which trash
22:06 TheNewDeal cazalla wow thems some lips
22:06 decimation s/which trash/white trash/
22:06 mircea_popescu http://37.media.tumblr.com/bdfdce84c4f18f8c8bc076c616f6a788/tumblr_n23v2xviO41rmcyw3o1_500.jpg << is this snail play ?
22:07 TheNewDeal you are quick with the draw
22:07 mircea_popescu decimation that may also have a lot to do with you decoding difference as "white trash". just because the lassies drink themselves blind each weekend doesn't mean they ain't got class, in the uk sense of that term :D
22:08 decimation heh yeah the 'world stereotype' of the average uk subject being a druken lout seems pretty accurate
22:09 decimation I guess things haven't changed too much, in the past the nobility would gather in country homes and drink themselves silly while shooting various animals
22:09 mircea_popescu well so there you go. west african arabs don't drink, at least.
22:10 Mexual they couldn't be understood slurring
22:10 mircea_popescu "gather in country homes and drink themselves silly while shooting various animals" >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ7Tak6fK9w at least according to python.
22:10 assbot Monty Python-Woody & Tinny Words - YouTube
22:11 Mexual "tally ho" only sounds better after 25 gins
22:13 Mexual what is doctor forehead phd in feels and karate doing these days?
22:14 mircea_popescu you know i have no idea.
22:14 mircea_popescu free consultancy on forums ?
22:14 Mexual i could guess
22:16 Mexual closing his latest fund due to bitcoin stuff, then starting another
22:17 BingoBoingo !up Guest44884
22:17 mircea_popescu but we digress. http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/08/03/avadalush-31803/images/full/07.jpg
22:18 asciilifeform lol, poles in uk ?
22:18 TheNewDeal what in the fuck did I just watch
22:19 decimation http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1353362/Were-overrun-Brits-fear-immigrants-European-nation-poll-reveals.html
22:19 assbot 'We're overrun': Brits fear immigrants more than any other European nation, poll reveals | Mail Online
22:19 mircea_popescu %d
22:19 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 169319.11 in 1980 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -90.98
22:20 mircea_popescu %p
22:20 atcbot [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.09 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1800.83 GH/s
22:20 decimation "Nevertheless, almost half of British respondents (46 per cent), hit with a wave of so-called 'Polish plumbers' taking advantage of European Union mobility rules, said the numbers of immigrants coming into the UK were 'excessive'. "
22:20 mircea_popescu decimation you know the daily mail may not be the best source of porn. let alone anything else.
22:20 asciilifeform http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1111922/Oriental-Industry-claims-realistic-sex-dolls-date.html << linked from above
22:20 assbot Oriental Industry claims the most realistic sex dolls to date | Mail Online
22:20 decimation lol yeah but ascii seemed to want a source
22:21 decimation where else are you going to find a source on what the average manchester resident thinks?
22:21 TheNewDeal in reply to the monty python skit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okkhgZim5Ig
22:21 assbot Robin Williams Golf - YouTube
22:21 asciilifeform the 'poles in uk' is smoke to cover for the very real 'londonabad' phenomenon.
22:21 decimation yeah that seems to be a bigger issue to me too
22:22 decimation tooting is pretty much 100% paki
22:22 asciilifeform ;;ud tooting
22:22 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tooting | A place in south-west London, do not visit tooting unless u want 2 be mugged, stabbed or shot in the head! A ruff place wher de evil and most gangsta of the ...
22:22 mircea_popescu http://s.mlkshk.com/r/5FGS << lol
22:23 asciilifeform ^ ?
22:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform league of blood trial in japan
22:23 Mexual oriental manufaturers make sex dolls so good, they're ninjas
22:24 mircea_popescu an oriental manufacturers sex doll killed me auntie.
22:24 Mexual 2
22:24 asciilifeform what's the significance of the hoods ?
22:25 asciilifeform afaik these weren't a thing pre-meiji
22:25 mircea_popescu privacy protection
22:25 Bet placed: 4.5 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Jan 2015 over $200 at any point in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/776/ Odds: 20(Y):80(N) by coin, 28(Y):72(N) by weight. Total bet: 25.75194745 BTC. Current weight: 43,155.
22:25 mircea_popescu Boy: wanna cum my yard? Girl: Wher u live? Boy: Tooting. Girl: Hell no i aint going there homie i dnt wanna be killed!!! << wtf ud so gangsta nao ?
22:25 decimation privacy for the doll?
22:26 cazalla perhaps that explains recent influx of brits to australia
22:26 Mexual recent?
22:27 cazalla Mexual, the ones in more recent years
22:27 cazalla a lot of brits and irish knock on my door trying to scam me into switching electricity/gas provider
22:27 Mexual lol
22:28 Mexual $20 bux/hr is better than 2 and sixpence
22:29 cazalla being the child of immigrants doesn't stop me telling them to get the fuck off my door step and go back to england, get your gas for IRA plots elsewhere
22:30 decimation https://web.archive.org/web/20110718154206/http://revolutionarydemocracy.org/rdv4n2/brecht.htm "The Solution
22:30 Mexual i had one try to sell me foxtel
22:30 decimation After the uprising of the 17th June
22:30 decimation The Secretary of the Writers Union
22:30 decimation Had leaflets distributed in the Stalinallee
22:30 decimation Stating that the people
22:30 cazalla oh yeah, that too Mexual
22:30 decimation Had forfeited the confidence of the government
22:30 decimation And could win it back only
22:30 decimation By redoubled efforts. Would it not be easier
22:30 decimation In that case for the government
22:30 decimation To dissolve the people
22:30 Mexual i spent an hour explaining why i dn't own a television
22:30 decimation And elect another?"
22:30 mircea_popescu lol
22:31 decimation Mexual: do you have to pay a TV license like in the UK
22:31 Mexual ive no idea
22:31 cazalla decimation, we don't
22:31 decimation who pays for the ABC?
22:31 cazalla tax payer, i am corrected
22:34 decimation cazalla: Australia is pretty serious about turning away immigrants it seems, wouldn't surprise me if some Brits were attracted to that
22:35 danielpbarron trixisowned, are you @0xabad1dea on twitter or did you just find that image from her feed?
22:35 cazalla decimation, not really, we've been playing spot the aussie since i was a kid
22:35 decimation 'spot the aussie'?
22:35 trixisowned nah i found it
22:35 trixisowned on her feed
22:35 trixisowned danielpbarron,
22:35 danielpbarron whoops
22:35 cazalla ;;ud spot the aussie
22:35 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=spot%20the%20aussie | ... arabs or africans etc at the function, even though they are in australia. I'd never set foot in Footscray any more, its spot the aussie there. by *Luke February 01, ...
22:37 Mexual are you greek heritage caz?
22:37 decimation I had a friend (white girl with Australian father) who wen to Australia, and found a great deal of "anti-American" sentiment once people heard her accent
22:37 cazalla Mexual, german
22:38 cazalla decimation, we don't like seppos either :P
22:38 Mexual touche
22:38 decimation ;;ud seppos
22:38 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Seppo | Derogertory word used by the English and Australians for all American nationals. Derived from Rhyming slang (Septic Tank = Yank). Will those stupid seppos ...
22:39 decimation lol hadn't heard that one before
22:39 Mexual we're the only ones allowed to be loud and obnoxios on this island mate
22:42 Mexual ive never really ever been anywhere quite as multicultural as australia
22:43 TheNewDeal the land down under?
22:43 TheNewDeal where women glow and men plunder?
22:44 Mexual indeed
22:45 TheNewDeal kept on hearing that song while I was working the last couple weeks. looked up all the slang and found a new word for cannabis. Made my day
22:47 Mexual whats that?
22:47 TheNewDeal zombie
22:47 Mexual ahh
22:47 Mexual i know the lyric, i thought it was just a concept
22:47 Mexual ill have to scrape erowid again
22:48 TheNewDeal I hadnt the slightest clue. always end up looking for lyrics on songmeanings
22:48 TheNewDeal like so http://songmeanings.com/songs/view/16522/
22:48 assbot Men At Work - Down Under Lyrics | SongMeanings
22:49 TheNewDeal top comment " LOL, as a qualified Australian, let me translate this one:
22:49 TheNewDeal - A VW Kombi van is the Australian poor man's road trip vehicle of choice. "Fried out" means that it's in really poor condition and overheating"
22:49 TheNewDeal are australians really anti-usian? I've heard of folks traveling there with quite good reviews
22:50 Mexual anti asian? hell no
22:50 TheNewDeal unitedstatesian
22:50 decimation TheNewDeal: to be clear, my friend was trying to reside there and get a job, not tour a beach or whatever
22:50 TheNewDeal ahhh gotcha
22:51 TheNewDeal we typically pronounce it JERB
22:52 BingoBoingo ;;google took our jerbs
22:52 gribble Southpark - They Took Our Job! - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=768h3Tz4Qik>; Goobacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goobacks>; They Took Our Jobs! | Know Your Meme: <http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/they-took-our-jobs>
22:52 cazalla TheNewDeal, it depends where you go, up north, you'll find a lot of support for them but down my way in Melbourne, there is a lot of anti american , pro refugee, pro welfare type shit going on
22:52 Mexual nah you'll be right, just change your green back for real dollars before you land
22:52 TheNewDeal bitcoins?
22:52 Mexual sure
22:53 Mexual just remember the place is still full of convicts
22:53 cazalla worst thing to happen if you're ID as american is you would have shit hung on you
22:54 TheNewDeal bingoboingo thank you very much for that
22:55 BingoBoingo yw
22:55 pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBcJ5rsAGaI
22:55 assbot Hangout with Anthony Di Iorio of Ethereum, and Daniel Larimer of BitShares, with Special presente... - YouTube
22:55 pete_dushenski live!
22:56 cazalla oh ty pete_dushenski
22:56 pete_dushenski your lulz for the evening
22:56 Mexual 3 man years should see ethereum to cumputational autonomy no?
22:57 TheNewDeal is this really live?
22:57 cazalla who's speaking in this video atm?
22:58 pete_dushenski TheNewDeal: afaik
22:58 pete_dushenski cazalla: a dude with an accent?
22:58 TheNewDeal decentralization is such a gimmicky word nowadays
22:59 TheNewDeal just playing off bitcoinpetes article
22:59 cazalla he sounds australian and if i'm right, it's the real estate hustler turned bitcoin hustlerJamie McIntyre
23:01 pete_dushenski TheNewDeal: it's pete_dushenski now ;)
23:02 TheNewDeal I only listen to blargs
23:02 TheNewDeal were you the one who bought bitbet timeweight from me?
23:02 pete_dushenski lol yup bitcoinpete --> pete_dushenski
23:04 TheNewDeal niiice. I'm going to have some great deals in the upcoming months
23:04 TheNewDeal keep your bitcoins open
23:04 pete_dushenski lolk
23:05 Mexual why is it some crosseyed fool instead of the speaker?
23:05 decimation re: bitshares : I find it amusing that in order to be pretend to be "credible" one must have all sorts of bezzle-corporate logos pasted on their website
23:06 Mexual whos running the hangout?
23:06 Mexual electricity cost
23:07 pete_dushenski Mexual: nfi
23:07 Mexual :)
23:08 justusranvier All these projects seeking to build finanical instrument platforms, and also tie their platforms to useless altcoins?
23:09 justusranvier What happenes when somebody produces a platform just as useful, but without the need for an appcoin?
23:09 TheNewDeal gonna go get some food
23:09 danielpbarron lol cazalla
23:11 justusranvier At least there's Open-Transactions, which isn't falling for the appcoin scam
23:12 cazalla the guy Max Wright, looks like a MLM clickbank type scammer
23:12 danielpbarron all this futuristic live video chat stuff and irc is still the best way to get stuff done
23:14 decimation yeah who wants to sit and watch some derp mumble into his laptop for an hour
23:15 * danielpbarron gags on the pretentiousness
23:15 Mexual i want the nazi with the dogeshirt fullscreen
23:16 Mexual this other guy is sitting too close
23:19 danielpbarron lol, my question got removed instantly
23:20 danielpbarron i tried to be as polite as i possibly could be
23:20 cazalla i still see it
23:20 danielpbarron oh cool
23:20 danielpbarron oh i see it now; this interface is confusing
23:22 Mexual how do you comment? does one need a google account?
23:22 cazalla danielpbarron, i don't use g+ so don't be offended that i don't follow back
23:22 danielpbarron i don't use it either; none taken
23:23 danielpbarron if i understand this correctly, our questions are tied for #1
23:23 cazalla yes
23:23 danielpbarron "Who do you think has a stranger shaped head, Marc Andreessen or Vitalek?"
23:24 cazalla i wonder if they are displayed on the big screen bottom right
23:24 Mexual crosseyed is
23:24 decimation yeah I just opened it and cazella and danielpbarron's questions are the top two
23:26 cazalla if bitcoin = bad, ether = good, why would they sell ether for bitcoin?
23:26 decimation ask on the chat
23:26 Mexual maybe hey can make a better google hangout
23:27 kakobrekla cazalla its supposedly bitcoin 2.0 or like web was.
23:27 Mexual .bait
23:27 Mexual nope, regress to progress
23:30 decimation I think the bitcoin sale was a "hook", (con-man style) to cover the coin with a whiff of bitcoin's legitimacy.
23:31 cazalla danielpbarron, top lulz
23:31 decimation nice cazalla your question is #2
23:32 Mexual ask how long til it goes full skynet
23:33 Mexual objects in the mirror appear closer
23:37 Mexual whats new mr regret?
23:43 Mexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GZlJGERbvE
23:43 assbot Damian Marley - Welcome To Jamrock - YouTube
23:47 Mexual !up mike_c_minus_key
23:47 mike_c_minus_key grazie
23:47 Mexual authenticate
23:47 mike_c_minus_key i'm out of town. just don't believe anything i say
23:48 kakobrekla so you are at home?
23:48 Mexual thatll do
23:48 mike_c_minus_key heh, yeah.
23:50 mike_c_minus_key this you can believe: 5 hours on a plane with a toddler is 4.5 hours too many.
23:51 Mexual where you at?
23:51 mike_c_minus_key sunny portland oregon.
23:51 Mexual gonna habe a beer with ben10?
23:52 mike_c_minus_key are there assetters around here? ben_vulpes, you in portland?
23:52 Mexual head north from toddler
23:53 Mexual drink 2 beers, put unconcious ben in taxi and return
23:53 assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1WYHXAS.txt )
23:53 BingoBoingo !b 3
23:57 Mexual just go to his office, if hes not there take a girl to the bar
23:58 mike_c_minus_key i thought he worked out of coffee shops
23:58 Mexual its a rouge
23:58 BingoBoingo http://images.kingdomofloathing.com/otherimages/apology.gif << danielpbarron
23:59 danielpbarron wtf, i just gave him like 100 bucks
23:59 danielpbarron that's not enough to serve some php to a few dozen users?
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