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01:00	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10060 @ 0.00082725 = 8.3221 BTC [+]
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01:17	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43350 @ 0.0008237 = 35.7074 BTC [-] {3}
01:18	moiety	http://lovemeow.com/2014/06/cat-and-lynx-become-inseparable-friends/ :D
01:18	assbot	Cat And Lynx Become Inseparable Friends
01:26	assbot	[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 500 @ 0.00227025 = 1.1351 BTC [+] {3}
01:30	Apocalyptic	;;calc 1.3462**1.04
01:30	gribble	1.36230380511
01:30	Apocalyptic	Mats_cd03, ^
01:36	FabianB	mircea_popescu: jurov: it should do bait << it should do mp approved bait. <-- it kind of does now, even probably not what you expected
01:47	BingoBoingo	!up Vexual
01:48	BingoBoingo	;;bc,stats
01:48	gribble	Current Blocks: 306443 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 2004 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 10 hours, 50 minutes, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11878747551.5 | Estimated Percent Change: -11.7647
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02:16	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2980 @ 0.00082725 = 2.4652 BTC [+]
02:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.20023447 = 0.6007 BTC [-] {2}
02:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21750 @ 0.00082464 = 17.9359 BTC [-] {2}
02:37	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40750 @ 0.00082731 = 33.7129 BTC [+] {2}
02:44	moiety	!up Vexual
02:46	moiety	!up Vexual
02:46	Vexual	ohai
02:46	moiety	hai :]
02:47	Vexual	whats new?
02:51	Apocalyptic	so Argentina is refusing to pay some US hedge funds some settlement on their debt
02:52	Vexual	yeah i read that 1.5 bn
02:52	Vexual	can't afford it ?
02:53	moiety	what will happen next?
02:53	Vexual	they will still not afford it
02:53	moiety	will it just stalemate?
02:54	Apocalyptic	apparently they sent a couple of lawyers to NY
02:54	Apocalyptic	to "discuss" the matter with the judge that ordered them to pay
02:54	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2001 = 0.6003 BTC [-]
02:54	Apocalyptic	Vexual, apparently it's more like 15 bn in total
02:54	Vexual	o
02:55	Apocalyptic	the 2 funds in question are indeed owed 1.4, but this settlement will trigger payments to others funds too
02:55	Apocalyptic	from what I read
02:56	Apocalyptic	central bank reserves in USD are 28,5 bn
02:56	Apocalyptic	kind of a big chunk
02:58	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.18952502 = 0.7581 BTC [-] {4}
02:59	Vexual	i guess they owe germany gold then?
03:01	Vexual	nothing a few thousand men couldn't scratch off the surface in a month
03:02	Apocalyptic	speaking of germany and gold
03:02	Apocalyptic	I wonder how much US sent them back so far
03:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 71 @ 0.02999989 = 2.13 BTC [+] {2}
03:04	Vexual	fucking nada
03:07	moiety	http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-27884323
03:07	assbot	BBC News - Hidden painting found under Picasso's The Blue Room
03:07	Vexual	those suits sent to ny will do well to slow proceedings
03:08	Vexual	no wonder that guy sells for big money
03:10	moiety	buy one, get one free!
03:12	Vexual	a proper old picasso print can be had for 1nc
03:12	Vexual	or real coin even
03:14	fluffypony	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=655464.0
03:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] DataTank Mining: 1.2MW 3M Novec Immersion Cooled 2PH Mining Container
03:14	fluffypony	so now everyone is rushing to verify that this is "nothing like Neo & Bee"
03:14	fluffypony	gotta love that group due diligence
03:15	fluffypony	"aving been in communication with these guys a bit I can say that they are definitely not NEO & BEE types. These guys definitely know what they are doing and they have proven that they can deliver since they have already done so. Unlike many offerings, their technical skills and abilities are pretty well proven."
03:16	moiety	because technical ability stops you running off with peoples monies
03:16	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00082789 = 12.5839 BTC [+] {2}
03:16	moiety	!up Vexual
03:17	fluffypony	obviously
03:18	Vexual	hif is buy now?
03:19	Vexual	looks like havelocks answer to ghash
03:19	Vexual	and it'd be timed exactly right if not for the 3-6 month deployment time
03:21	fluffypony	yeah
03:27	Vexual	but it smells like catpiss and the cat is technique
03:30	Vexual	pankakke?
03:31	jurov	;;bc,stats
03:31	gribble	Current Blocks: 306455 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 1992 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 12 hours, 20 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12833387688.7 | Estimated Percent Change: -4.67364
03:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00082264 = 10.2419 BTC [-]
03:33	Vexual	the prospectus has anxpro on a cg container, are they affiliated?
03:35	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SHA] 25 @ 0.042 = 1.05 BTC
03:43	Vexual	plus token white dude, dollar exchange, mining, stock market
03:43	Vexual	;;8ball
03:43	gribble	One would be wise to think so.
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04:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.21889486 = 0.8756 BTC [+] {4}
04:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.21929955 = 1.0965 BTC [+] {4}
04:14	pankkake	"their technical skills and abilities are pretty well proven" => same was said about kslaugther, presented as some rock star entrepreneur and engineer (when he was neither)
04:15	mircea_popescu	fluffypony neobee TYPES mind you.
04:16	mircea_popescu	these schmucks have sunk in the research and classifieds the typology nao.
04:16	mircea_popescu	the archetype of the neobee being, of course, that antonoderpulous guy.
04:17	Apocalyptic	pankkake, so was Zhou
04:19	fluffypony	yeah
04:19	fluffypony	well I had my say on the thread
04:19	fluffypony	and, of course, jimmothy is being retarded: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=655464.msg7375512#msg7375512
04:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] DataTank Mining: 1.2MW 3M Novec Immersion Cooled 2PH Mining Container
04:20	pankkake	his blind hate for anything MP
04:20	mircea_popescu	wait im involved ?
04:20	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: I dared to mention that a WoT presence might be a good starting point
04:21	jurov	"it was pretty hard to not reach a positive ROI by now with most asics." this doesn't have anything to do with mp
04:21	mircea_popescu	lol how's wot mp related
04:21	Apocalyptic	fluffypony, "Additionally, don't confuse the possibility of them being fiat profitable with them being Bitcoin profitable" too many derps don't distinguish between the two and will generally eagerly settle for the former
04:21	mircea_popescu	also most asics actually got no +roi.
04:21	mircea_popescu	$bait
04:21	pankkake	I don't mean made by MP
04:22	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic that's a problem, yeah.
04:22	pankkake	!up Vexual
04:22	mircea_popescu	the stupidity of people holding bitcoin is the one thing that can hurt bitcoin (as evidenced by say the pirate debacle, or by the fact that a million fucktarded stoners managed to give the usg a gift of 20k ish btcs)
04:22	mircea_popescu	luckily that tends to be a self-limiting problem
04:23	mircea_popescu	FabianB how does it do bait ?
04:23	pankkake	I hope you're right
04:23	mircea_popescu	pankkake well, it's finite see. the only way they can do something stupid in the first place is by giving it away
04:23	mircea_popescu	that's the definition of self limiting
04:24	mircea_popescu	Vexual: can't afford it ? << actually, they could, they just dun want to.
04:24	mircea_popescu	moiety: what will happen next? <<< probably us court will try to confiscate various argentine assets in various countries, further straining its relations with the world.
04:25	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic: I wonder how much US sent them back so far << the us had more sense than to put a clause in there that the matter is to be judged according to frankfurt law.
04:26	mircea_popescu	"They have something better than WOT. Real names and real business experience." ahahaha help me rwanda.
04:26	fluffypony	I know
04:26	Apocalyptic	mircea_popescu, in the meantime i read that they are planning to get 50% back to frankfurt in a matter of seven years or so
04:26	Apocalyptic	so it's too soon to tell how it's going
04:26	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic they're also planning tobalance the budget
04:27	mircea_popescu	over about the same timeframe
04:27	mircea_popescu	or wait, was that, they're planning to actually send congress a budget at all, like required by law ?
04:30	Apocalyptic	<mircea_popescu> Vexual: can't afford it ? << actually, they could, they just dun want to. // yeah they could at the expense of roughly half their USD reserves
04:30	mircea_popescu	fluffypony " Given how reliant this company is on paying backend costs in fiat" I don't follow this part.
04:30	mircea_popescu	why would fiat costs pose a problem ? it's quite clear why fiat revenues are a problem for reits etc, but costs ?
04:30	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic right.
04:30	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: in other words, if they were paying staff and rent in Bitcoin they could present a business plan with amounts in Bitcoin
04:31	fluffypony	but they're reliant on the exchange-rate-at-the-time costs are due
04:31	mircea_popescu	so ?
04:32	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-04-28/
04:32	assbot	How to fail gracefully as a Bitcoin business
04:33	fluffypony	having fiat-denominated expenses is not in and of itself bad, but they're going to sink virtually the entire amount into fiat costs up-front
04:33	fluffypony	to pay for equipment etc. etc.
04:33	mircea_popescu	o well say it like that then
04:33	mircea_popescu	that makes sense.
04:33	fluffypony	-1 point for fluffyclarity
04:34	mircea_popescu	"by investing in this company you're buying chunks of a dollar-denominated investment, because they mostly plan to sell your bitcoin and pay off fiat costs."
04:34	fluffypony	yarp
04:34	mircea_popescu	it's funny tho, that completely disqualifies thyem from any sort of experience or competence in the field
04:34	mircea_popescu	quite contrary to that derps claims.
04:35	mircea_popescu	luckily we have years of amassed history and discussion to establish what competence/experience are, what they do and how they look like.
04:39	mircea_popescu	Mark Serbu told us, “I refused to sell my rifles to the NYPD, and when I talked about it online, it blew up like crazy. Everybody liked the idea of a gun law biting the government on the ass. There are only two manufacturers of semi-automatic 50-caliber rifles in the US, and neither will sell to the NYPD. This is like, ‘Screw you, New York.’ People are less safe without our rifles to protect you.
04:40	mircea_popescu	i had no idea they used the barrett as an anti-personnel device on the streets of the asphalt jungle
04:41	mircea_popescu	the army mostly uses it to blow up explosives iirc
04:42	BingoBoingo	Also works on trucks
04:42	mircea_popescu	i guess it'd work on anything short of a tank
04:45	BingoBoingo	Pretty much anything not specifically designed to prevent it working, with exception as defined by the laws of physics (mountains, clouds, the sun...)
04:46	mircea_popescu	i suppose the wanna-be cool dorks love it because it's so BIG and it looks JUST LIKE IN TH MOVIES OMAYGAWD
04:46	mircea_popescu	god help you if you have to use the thing indoors tho
04:49	mircea_popescu	fluffypony btw that article is quite useful
04:49	mircea_popescu	but srsly, make better urls.
04:49	fluffypony	I have already, will go fix past articles a bit later
04:50	mircea_popescu	a cool.
04:50	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: But expensive things with niche uses when less expensive more general purpose tools of quality are available is the American way!!!
04:50	mircea_popescu	One thing to note is that, generally speaking, a Bitcoin/altcoin mining operation is strictly profitable from a fiat perspective. Anyone who thinks they’re profitable from a BTC perspective needs to take a cold, hard look at the data for the past few years, and needs to couple the historical data with the inevitable delays when pre-ordering mining equipment. << this is quite true.
04:50	mircea_popescu	bitcoin mining is a perfect avenue for large players to dodge tax, whcih is why the hash is going quite so nuts.
04:50	fluffypony	yes
04:50	mircea_popescu	rack up the fiat expenses so you don't make a profit, take the bitcoin home.
04:51	fluffypony	but it serves no practical purpose as an investment vehicle for those already holding Bitcoin (or who are buying Bitcoin on a monthly basis with their fiat earnings)
04:51	mircea_popescu	on top of that there's some... maybe 1-2% by now, amateurs that get to jerkoff to the thought that they're "just as much a part of bitcoin AS ANYONE"
04:52	mircea_popescu	they used to be 10% earlier this year. then again they used to be 100% a coupla years ago
04:52	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo only recently. didn't use to be.
04:53	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves so is atc taking over the ltc role ?
04:53	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: American's didn't have the too much money problem until recently though (1950's) Kids who grew up with that mindset run the show nao though... or at least imagine they do
04:54	mircea_popescu	sad but true
04:55	BingoBoingo	All of these people who grew up when the rest of the world was crippled now imagine it still is.
04:55	BingoBoingo	%book
04:55	atcbot	35k@250 2k@240 16k@235 | 5k@150 49k@143 175k@142
04:55	mircea_popescu	how did the volume go again ?
04:56	mircea_popescu	%help
04:56	atcbot	%t | %ticker | %book | %diff | %tx <tx_id> | %bal <address> | %mined | %block <block_height> | %lb | %tslb | %cm | %ptp | %help | %h
04:56	mircea_popescu	%t
04:56	atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 150 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 7k High: 235 Low: 150 VWAP: 156
04:56	mircea_popescu	aha
04:56	mircea_popescu	%diff
04:56	atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 430638.11 in 667 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -39.80
04:56	Apocalyptic	it's in quiet mode before the diff retarget
04:56	Apocalyptic	will bring the hoppers back
04:56	mircea_popescu	seems so yeah.
04:57	mircea_popescu	funny tho the lockstep way it works. 1k - 4k - 1.5k - 5k - 2k - 7k - 5k diff sort of thing
04:57	mircea_popescu	seems the hopper's "optimisation" is nothing but a dream in their head
04:57	mircea_popescu	since they'll be counting the "high" 5k as "low" six weeks later anyway
04:57	mircea_popescu	might as well just have mined all through.
04:58	Apocalyptic	well the hooper's "optimisation" is disturbed by unbalanced's plan somehow
04:58	mircea_popescu	course this is a fact people who aren't familiar with atc history probably easily miss.
04:58	Apocalyptic	dunno if he started earlier than this diff period though
04:58	BingoBoingo	%t
04:58	atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 160 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 7k High: 235 Low: 150 VWAP: 156
04:58	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic i suspect it's only disrupted by the fact that atc has the sort of backing that makes it not go anywhere. it's nailed straight to the sun as it were.
04:59	mircea_popescu	this bit of info'd quite change the optimisation, if they had it.
04:59	BingoBoingo	%book
04:59	atcbot	35k@250 2k@240 16k@235 | 250k@160 500k@151 5k@150
04:59	Apocalyptic	mircea_popescu, it may well be so
05:00	Apocalyptic	http://www.boursorama.com/actualites/pour-la-cour-des-comptes-il-faut-baisser-le-nombre-de-fonctionnaires-ba3764c288078d33b05b57007f1062dc
05:00	assbot	Pour la Cour des comptes, il faut baisser le nombre de fonctionnaires
05:00	Apocalyptic	french people finally wake up
05:00	BingoBoingo	%t
05:01	atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 160 Ask: 201 Last Price: 160 24h-Vol: 7k High: 235 Low: 150 VWAP: 156
05:01	mircea_popescu	hahaha
05:01	mircea_popescu	how many are they anyway ? 20mn ?
05:01	BingoBoingo	;;ticker
05:01	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 607.51, Best ask: 609.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.49000, Last trade: 609.0, 24 hour volume: 8473.12848309, 24 hour low: 586.84, 24 hour high: 616.0, 24 hour vwap: 604.991375459
05:01	Apocalyptic	i wouldn't hazard a guess, too much for sure
05:01	pankkake	Apocalyptic: la Cour des comptes has been saying smart things for years, and has been ignored all the way
05:01	Apocalyptic	yeah pankkake
05:02	pankkake	http://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/societe/les-intermittents-du-spectacle-occupent-la-cour-des-comptes_1499906.html
05:02	assbot	Les intermittents du spectacle occupent la Cour des comptes - L'Express
05:02	BingoBoingo	%tslb
05:02	atcbot	-9 minutes and 49 seconds
05:02	mircea_popescu	ahahaha
05:02	BingoBoingo	^ mod6 negative %tslb???
05:02	assbot	Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/237PFCH.txt )
05:02	BingoBoingo	!b 3
05:02	pankkake	(translation : highly subsidied fake artists occupy the Court of Accounts)
05:03	BingoBoingo	%book
05:03	atcbot	2k@240 16k@235 50k@201 | 250k@160 500k@151 5k@150
05:04	BingoBoingo	http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/547767/unisys_phasing_decades-old_mainframe_processor_x86_chips/
05:04	assbot	Unisys phasing out decades-old mainframe processor for x86 chips - Computerworld
05:05	pankkake	http://boingboing.net/2014/06/16/i-stopped-a-10-million-dollar.html
05:05	assbot	I stopped a ten million dollar robbery - Boing Boing
05:05	jurov	http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/06/03/the-secret-service-wants-software-that-detects-social-media-sarcasm-yeah-sure-it-will-work/
05:05	assbot	The Secret Service wants software that detects social media sarcasm. Yeah, sure it will work. - The Washington Post
05:06	jurov	"Ability to detect sarcasm and false positives," the request reads.
05:06	Apocalyptic	jurov, at this point it must be trolling
05:07	jurov	Apocalyptic why? i wouldn't put it past them?
05:09	BingoBoingo	Maybe the headline is the test? Secret Service collecting references to it as data to feed the beast...
05:09	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you need a comment permalink, because nao i can't say thestringpuller;'s got a prettry interesting comment up there at http://devilsadvocate.biz/crabs-in-the-bucket/?replytocom=75#respond
05:09	assbot	Crabs in the Bucket
05:10	mircea_popescu	i could use some *people* that reliably detect my sarcasm
05:11	BingoBoingo	It's a hard problem in text
05:11	mircea_popescu	it's a hard problem irl, too.
05:12	mircea_popescu	ajhahaha that robbery link above :
05:12	mircea_popescu	Bill said, “We’ll lend $10 million IF we get the full $25 million on any default.” Here were the other terms Bill said.
05:12	mircea_popescu	- 15% interest, paid quarterly
05:12	mircea_popescu	- the full loan is due back in two years
05:12	mircea_popescu	- $600,000 fee paid to Bill up front.
05:12	mircea_popescu	- Bill wanted 25% of all the upside on the full $25 million in shares for the next ten years.
05:12	mircea_popescu	now THATs robbery.
05:14	BingoBoingo	How was the borrower agreeing to that not a red flag that they were a fake
05:14	mircea_popescu	it kinda is.
05:15	mircea_popescu	anyway, the post sounds legit. it's pretty much how something like that'd go.
05:16	BingoBoingo	Kinda the Roger Ver story, except he still praises and pays the loons that fleece him
05:16	mircea_popescu	“I have an idea,” I said, “I know the guy who wrote that letter. I’ll write to him and ask him if he wrote that letter. This way he independently verifies.” << the wot.
05:16	mircea_popescu	quote that to forum derp. this is exactly what we fucking do here, day in, day out.
05:17	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-06-2014#708635
05:17	assbot	#bitcoin-assets log
05:17	pankkake	!up Vexual
05:17	pankkake	Vexual: why still not on the wot?
05:17	BingoBoingo	fluffypony: Also get rid of that discus shit
05:17	pankkake	not that you could be easily faked
05:17	fluffypony	BingoBoingo: I hate all the other jekyll comment plugins
05:18	BingoBoingo	fluffypony: Just have a send all comments to X@Y.Z email address
05:18	fluffypony	too much like hard work
05:18	fluffypony	:-P
05:18	fluffypony	I'll see if there's something new out for jekyll that is non-JS-ish
05:18	BingoBoingo	Or... Just use Wordpress comments
05:18	fluffypony	I will never install Wordpress again. EVER.
05:19	BingoBoingo	Not the whole thing, just the comment form
05:19	pankkake	I've seen some automated systems to do it, finally. proper comments was the only thing I would miss with a static blog
05:19	pankkake	I haven't tried those yet though
05:19	fluffypony	there's this: https://github.com/mpalmer/jekyll-static-comments
05:19	assbot	mpalmer/jekyll-static-comments GitHub
05:19	fluffypony	not wild about it, tho
05:20	BingoBoingo	;;google site:trilema.com the hottest idea in bitcoin
05:20	gribble	Probably the hottest business idea of the moment in BTC… pe ...: <http://trilema.com/2012/probably-the-hottest-business-idea-of-the-moment-in-btc/>; Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/>; Some basic discussion of Bitcoin macroeconomy pe Trilema - Un ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/some-basic-discussion-of-bitcoin-macroeconomy/>
05:20	fluffypony	oh this is something I never noticed: https://blog.caurea.org/2012/03/31/this-blog-has-comments-again.html
05:20	assbot	caurea.org
05:20	fluffypony	it does an email address per post
05:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.2199997 = 1.1 BTC [+]
05:20	fluffypony	will take a looksie again when I have time
05:21	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2014#719018 to go with above link
05:21	assbot	#bitcoin-assets log
05:21	mircea_popescu	<BingoBoingo> fluffypony: Also get rid of that discus shit << srsly.
05:22	BingoBoingo	The reason to use wordpress is that it's the standard. Doing it right is hard, but all of the usefull standards are.
05:22	mircea_popescu	he's prolly tried wp past 1.x and got burned by how shitty it is
05:23	BingoBoingo	2.X for some values of X isn't bad. Same with 3.X with caveat, that for some values of X.
05:23	mircea_popescu	http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md2bx746Pd1r2b8jbo1_400.jpg << trap house!
05:23	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo ya i meat 2 not 1 my bad
05:23	fluffypony	;;ping
05:23	gribble	pong
05:24	fluffypony	so I asked Jimmy Boy: "I'll turn that around and ask you to list 3 mining operations that were Bitcoin profitable. To simplify, you can just list the asset, what the IPO share price was, and what BTC dividends to date would have been for 1 BTC invested."
05:24	fluffypony	to which he responds: "Petamine, asicminer, 100th mine, and most people who bought bfl hardware, AM hardware, knc hardware, bitmain hardware, a1 clones, avalon hardware, bitfury hardware."
05:24	fluffypony	apparently buying hardware == investing in an asset.
05:24	mircea_popescu	fluffypony he went to the us school of diversive argumentation.
05:25	fluffypony	and apparently "The whole internet is a web of trust."
05:25	fluffypony	he didn't read my comments AT ALL
05:25	mircea_popescu	serious politician : "name one policy your demagogy implemented that served the public"
05:25	fluffypony	stupid fucktard.
05:25	BingoBoingo	fluffypony: Maybe ask why hes till isn't Bitrich
05:25	pankkake	100th mine was profitable?
05:25	mircea_popescu	twerp : "guncontrolobamacareglobalwarmingsmokingbanclimatechangederpyherpyderpderpherp"
05:26	mircea_popescu	costs him about 100x less to run the mouth than it costs you, and so... he's using it.
05:26	mircea_popescu	this is why, incidentally, giving people a voice is such a bad idea.
05:26	mircea_popescu	the only thing it yields is a vicious circle of ever decreasing marginal investment in speech
05:27	pankkake	also people who bought bfl profited?!
05:27	mircea_popescu	what a healthy society needs are lemon laws for speech.
05:28	fluffypony	lemon laws!
05:28	xmj	mircea_popescu: lemon laws?
05:28	xmj	as in, The Market For Lemons ?
05:31	mircea_popescu	problem with trying to implement that however is that it's too fucking sweet for whoever's in charge to hijack it into oppression of dissent
05:31	mircea_popescu	so basically society only works for as long as society enforces some sort of equivalent by itself. which is also why there can never be a society of "laws not men".
05:31	mircea_popescu	men are needed to keep language meaningful.
05:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7724 @ 0.00008136 = 0.6284 BTC [-] {6}
05:33	BingoBoingo	Sorta like the dilema by which Bitcoin is great for a well lawed and ordered society yet incredibly hostile to regulation
05:33	mircea_popescu	well you can't cutthe knife
05:34	BingoBoingo	Plenty of tools cut knives.
05:35	mircea_popescu	sure. but nothing cuts itself. evntually you get to a prime mover.
05:35	mircea_popescu	bitcoin can't be regulated because it regulates you.
05:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00082119 = 7.7192 BTC [-]
05:37	BingoBoingo	Cake cutting for the lonely https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBU9N35ZHIw
05:37	assbot	The Scientific Way to Cut a Cake - YouTube
05:39	mircea_popescu	incidentally, what's the us black slang to denote a woman in her 20s that spends her life naked in the household of some local lord / trap star ?
05:40	mircea_popescu	or so common & obvious it really doesn't need a word for itself
05:40	fluffypony	a pie chart is called a camembert chart in French?
05:40	fluffypony	awesome
05:40	mircea_popescu	hehehe
05:40	BingoBoingo	The latter it seems from my limited knowledge
05:41	pankkake	fluffypony: fun thing, it's called just "un camembert", not even "graphe en camembert"
05:41	mircea_popescu	imo this should be backported to english
05:42	fluffypony	agreed
05:42	mircea_popescu	"his camemberts looked like blocks of fucking swiss"
05:42	fluffypony	hah hah
05:43	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i wonder how they manage to shoot videos tbh. if i were living the limited lifespan of a rappar, i couldn't give less of a shit as to what tv convntions are.
05:43	mircea_popescu	all my videos feature shots of the nekkid ladies
05:43	mircea_popescu	must seem so fucken plastic & fake. "whyz dese bitches dresst anyway?!?!"
05:44	pankkake	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snoop_Dogg%27s_Doggystyle
05:44	assbot	Snoop Dogg's Doggystyle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
05:44	FabianB	<+mircea_popescu> FabianB how does it do bait ? <-- not exactly, i mean this:
05:44	FabianB	$depth mpoe
05:44	empyex	FabianB: Want a bash? http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=91 Or use a valid MPSIC!
05:44	assbot	#bitcoin-assets bash
05:45	mircea_popescu	aok
05:46	mircea_popescu	but pankkake ... why'z dem bitchez dresst ?!
05:46	mircea_popescu	also wtf shitty chopjob
05:49	BingoBoingo	!up Vexual
05:50	BingoBoingo	;;bc,stats
05:50	gribble	Current Blocks: 306472 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 1975 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 2 hours, 17 minutes, and 31 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 13957917818.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.67937
05:53	BingoBoingo	http://bitbet.us/bet/901/fifa-world-cup-2014-goal-in-under-10/#c3100
05:53	assbot	BitBet - FIFA World Cup 2014: goal in under 10 mins :: 0.19 B (57%) on Yes, 0.14 B (43%) on No | closed 13 hours 27 minutes ago
05:56	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo it god paid out already neh ?
05:56	BingoBoingo	Yeah, amazing how sometimes events make the errors irrelevant.
05:56	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
05:57	mircea_popescu	:p
05:58	BingoBoingo	I was kinda hoping Ghana would have won that one
06:01	BingoBoingo	American Cities are now more valuable as set pieces than as functioning locations http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2014/06/transformers_premake_documentary_age_of_extinction_inspires_guerrilla_video.html
06:01	assbot	Transformers Premake documentary: Age of Extinction inspires guerrilla video essay (VIDEO).
06:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.21999999 = 2.64 BTC [+] {3}
06:03	BingoBoingo	Detroit and Chicago are cheaper stand ins for China than... China
06:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 64 @ 0.23955234 = 15.3313 BTC [+] {6}
06:03	mircea_popescu	hahaha
06:04	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.245 = 2.45 BTC [+] {2}
06:06	BingoBoingo	Jimmothy http://drgrumpyinthehouse.blogspot.com/2014/06/1207-am.html
06:06	assbot	Doctor Grumpy in the House: 12:07 a.m.
06:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 26 @ 0.24384615 = 6.34 BTC [-] {2}
06:07	mircea_popescu	ahahaha epic
06:09	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00082825 = 10.5188 BTC [+] {2}
06:12	mircea_popescu	"I was shaking. We had spoken to Evil on the phone." ahaha dude how fucking overdramatic can altucher get.
06:13	mircea_popescu	a fraudster stands to evil in the relationship an army major stands to the government.
06:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.22000065 = 2.2 BTC [-] {3}
06:16	BingoBoingo	I dunno if even a Madoff level fraudster makes it as an officer candidate in the Evil Army
06:17	mircea_popescu	well what is evil army ?
06:17	mircea_popescu	evil is traditionally used as the catchall for anything anyone perceives as contrarian or enmitous and isn't readily reducible.
06:18	BingoBoingo	Well, in the heirarchy I imagine Pol Pot makes Colnel... barely
06:18	mircea_popescu	davout http://fr.anco.is/2014/06/16/the-security-fail-blockchain-wont-tell-you-about/ << good points, but the blockchain wallet usecase isn't storying a lot of btc.
06:18	assbot	The security fail blockchain won’t tell you about | fr.anco.is
06:19	mircea_popescu	actually pretty much the only usecase i'm aware of is when you want to do basically the equivalent of issuing yourself a limited preloaded card.
06:20	mircea_popescu	i never use the cards associated with my various business accounts, ever. but if they came with a diy kit where i could create my own subcards, preload them and discard them... maybe, just maybe.
06:20	fluffypony	I've been wanting the same
06:20	mircea_popescu	irk ?
06:20	fluffypony	even if it's only creating virtual cards initially
06:20	fluffypony	load amounts in
06:20	BingoBoingo	Yeah, a decent low fee prepaid card is basically a money condom
06:20	fluffypony	and use them online for a month or two
06:20	mircea_popescu	no fucking way am i sharing an account that may well have fiddy million in it with some random guy with a pony tail in whatever restaurant
06:20	fluffypony	and then abandon them
06:21	mircea_popescu	no matter how ridiculous counting fiddy hundred dollar bills may look to the sort of people i don't fuck anyway
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06:21	BingoBoingo	!b 1
06:21	mircea_popescu	people do stupid sht like that all the time, too.
06:22	mircea_popescu	ever want to get a kickass car ? it's simple : buy a red jacket and a cap, sit by the entrance to an expensive restaurant
06:22	mircea_popescu	you'll get a free ferrari in five minutes flat.
06:22	fluffypony	lol
06:22	mircea_popescu	guy just hands you the key and walks off.
06:23	mircea_popescu	"o, he thought you were the vallet". well that's fine, you thought he was santa.
06:24	mircea_popescu	as joelkatz would say, "common misunderstanding"
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06:25	BingoBoingo	!b 6
06:29	mircea_popescu	Yiannis Chrysanthou, a security researcher who recently completed his MSc thesis on modern password cracking, was able to crack the password "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn1."
06:29	mircea_popescu	fuck me that sounds scary
06:29	mircea_popescu	up until you realise some total dork took a line off lovercraft, as-is.
06:31	jurov	http://explo.yt/post/2014/02/26/Bruce-Schneier-passwords-fail exactly as i wrote
06:31	assbot	Bruce Schneier passwords fail - serialized delusions
06:31	mircea_popescu	ayup
06:31	mircea_popescu	!up ansc
06:31	mircea_popescu	;;google romanian dicelist
06:31	gribble	Romanian Dicelist pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/romanian-dicelist>; Climax pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/climax>; On Making High-Entropy Paper Wallets | When Bitcoin Met Pete: <http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/03/14/on-making-high-entropy-bitcoin-paper-wallets/>
06:31	mircea_popescu	i really recommend that thing. fucking special characters rock for the purpose.
06:33	jurov	!up Vexual
06:34	Vexual	hehe
06:34	jurov	!down Vexual
06:34	jurov	hehe
06:35	BingoBoingo	!up Vexual
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06:35	mircea_popescu	!b 7
06:36	BingoBoingo	Bash hasn't updated in a while... is it on Mats_cd03's no poop pills?
06:37	mircea_popescu	lol
06:37	mircea_popescu	wasn't jurov modded ?
06:37	mircea_popescu	lazyboi!
06:37	jurov	!down mircea_popescu
06:38	mircea_popescu	you tryin' to go down on me ?
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06:38	BingoBoingo	!b 2
06:39	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointa.lk/index.php?topic=579498.msg6386721#msg6386721 << pretty epic shit.
06:39	assbot	[ANN] Altcoin Casinos | Invest | | Bitcointa.lk
06:39	mircea_popescu	why's that guy not in here ?
06:39	mircea_popescu	someone invite him
06:40	mircea_popescu	"Due to the fake account troll below this post has been moved." ahahaha
06:41	mircea_popescu	;;rated fluffypony
06:41	gribble	You rated user fluffypony on Mon May 26 08:18:51 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: I don't know him but his wife sends me selfies..
06:42	mircea_popescu	;;rate fluffypony 2 Businessman that now owes me a steak.
06:42	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user fluffypony has changed from 1 to 2.
06:43	fluffypony	lol
06:44	ansc	mp: what are your thoughts on icbit.se ?
06:45	mircea_popescu	;;google trilema icbit.se
06:45	gribble	Icbit.se, the bucket shop pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2012/icbitse-the-bucket-shop/>; Security Comparison of Bitcoin-Denominated Instruments ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2012/security-comparison-of-bitcoin-denominated-instruments-exchanges/>; Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/>
06:45	mircea_popescu	that's a year or two old by now. perhaps things changed. not sure why they would have.
06:46	mircea_popescu	ahahaah that thread just gives and gives and gives.
06:47	mircea_popescu	should be fucking framed. " Are you finished? Your wrong.", trhen guy goes back and edits it once it's pointed out
06:48	ansc	interesting piece. from that perspective, nothing has changed. no need to update. thank you for the link.
06:49	mircea_popescu	the boon #bitcoin-assets bestows upon they who come seeking wisdom is great indeed.
06:49	ansc	haha right. i must say i do agree.
06:49	mircea_popescu	fluffypony what's the xxxprofit story ?
06:51	BingoBoingo	%book
06:51	atcbot	2k@240 16k@235 50k@201 | 250k@160 500k@151 5k@150
06:51	fluffypony	the dude seems like a reasonable guy, he's very open about that and the appliance thing being fiat businesses, but I think he's struggling to find anyone around him willing to invest because, hey, porn site
06:52	BingoBoingo	%ticker
06:52	atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 160 Ask: 201 Last Price: 201 24h-Vol: 7k High: 235 Low: 150 VWAP: 157
06:52	Vexual	link?
06:52	fluffypony	I told him to get on here and get in the WoT as it'll help with future ventures
06:52	punkman	https://icbit.se/node/69 always in beta (TM)
06:52	assbot	Price Calculation Fix | ICBIT - Bitcoin Exchange and Futures Market
06:52	mircea_popescu	what, i love pron sites. heck, im STILL trying to get in touch with that pleasantly uninhibited chick from reddit.
06:52	mircea_popescu	whatver her namne was
06:52	mircea_popescu	;;notes
06:52	gribble	I currently have notes waiting for agentx24, anarkitty, bakinat, buanzo, EricNakamoto, fbastage, frankenmint, Immukization, MurphyLawn, newyorkadam, nubbins, nubbins`i, organofcorti, Phinnaeus, plezoh, ryepdx, sic_nic, starsoccer9, ThickasTheives, unbalanced, and weenfan.
06:53	Vexual	lol lowecase me is gone
06:53	mircea_popescu	anarkitty. hey, this creates a new usecase for gribble. leave a note for osmeone, remember their name.
06:59	BingoBoingo	https://bitcointa.lk/index.php?topic=639298.0
06:59	assbot	Full Dox: BTC-ARBS.COM (and their undeniable links to HYIPs) | Bitcointa.lk
07:02	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo for what it's worth the dilemma is irreducible.
07:02	BingoBoingo	!up ansc
07:02	mircea_popescu	on one hand, the slipped up theory is convincing. on the other hand, the sort of scammer/internet fraudster depicted often tries to run a hosting business on the side
07:03	mircea_popescu	so it may be a clueless noob that got a GREAT webhosting offer
07:03	ansc	anyone seen this latest idiocy: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/290ed010-f567-11e3-91a8-00144feabdc0.html?siteedition=intl#axzz34snzDqLe
07:03	assbot	Financial Times | Error | Akamai Error
07:03	ansc	ok anyway, it's about the fed imposing exit fees on bond funds.
07:03	mircea_popescu	not surprising.
07:03	mircea_popescu	actually... i think it was predicted here months ago :p
07:03	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: It is indeed astounding how the bad habits of both groups align this way
07:05	BingoBoingo	A and B are indistiguishable at x,y because they do the same thing at that point.
07:05	BingoBoingo	!up Vexual
07:07	BingoBoingo	I wonder if herbi will ever try his hand at ATC again
07:08	Vexual	didn't you take all his moneys?
07:08	BingoBoingo	Vexual: Sure, at the time, but noa his is busy with OMG acquisitions!!! in his most recent messages.
07:09	Mats_cd03	lol you're a douche
07:09	BingoBoingo	Mats_cd03: Douches are good, they are a force for cleansing
07:14	punkman	this curses stuff is enough to make me curse, but it's getting there: http://i.imgur.com/Jj0xIdi.png
07:14	fluffypony	punkman: looks great
07:15	Vexual	neato
07:15	BingoBoingo	Nice punkman
07:16	ansc	interesting that the odds are so much in favor of btc with brk/a trading @189k
07:17	punkman	now it tells me when I've already bet on a proposition and calculates the total along with hypothetical bets. Handy for topping up a bet
07:17	BingoBoingo	Nice
07:18	ansc	so one could calculate the implicit interest rate of btc based on these probabilities
07:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8142 @ 0.00082492 = 6.7165 BTC [-]
07:21	BingoBoingo	ansc: Well, I think the tool being tried for the effort at large now is f.mpif
07:21	BingoBoingo	!mpif
07:21	assbot	BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021664 BTC (Total: 433.28 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021703 BTC [-]
07:21	BingoBoingo	!jd mpif
07:21	assbot	Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 171.02517117 BTC; +0.16054045 BTC (+0.0940%) since last check 11h 38m 47s ago.
07:21	Naphex	BingoBoingo: we're going live with EUR/USD next week. will you be sticking to ron or going for EUR/USD?;p
07:21	punkman	did klye re-ipo?
07:21	BingoBoingo	punkman: We can all hope so
07:24	BingoBoingo	Naphex: It depends on how the book looks. I'll prolly announce the June or July statement if I've moved into that pairing or not, pending consultation with the general manager. I'll watch at for least weeks, emphasis plural, before making a decision.
07:25	BingoBoingo	Naphex: In BTC/Fiat I am exceedingly cautions
07:25	BingoBoingo	I inhere the properties of cautions
07:25	Naphex	probably best:p
07:28	BingoBoingo	Naphex: I'm trading by hand so any moves into fiat occur only when I'm awake and ready to put in a lower bid very soon after fulfillment. << As this in in the chan it is an official disclosure. Nao.. Good luck figuring out my sleep wake cycle... if there is a discernable one.
07:29	Naphex	i don't trade at all
07:30	BingoBoingo	I as mentioned before really didn't start until I beat herbi. Before I occasionally bet substituting exchanges for bookies.
07:31	Naphex	how are you likeing it doing it as a full time job?
07:31	Naphex	or not full time
07:34	BingoBoingo	I do this pretty much as I mention in the statements. It's a thing... I do it. I'll offer a range of more than most actual work the lowest performing civil servants do, but still less than nubbins` when he is in extreme focused art mode. (I estimate that to be between 0 and all of the hours in a week)
07:35	thestringpuller	what hppened to pity the pool?
07:36	BingoBoingo	?
07:36	thestringpuller	its down for me
07:36	thestringpuller	!up Vexual
07:36	BingoBoingo	%diff
07:36	atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 430092.04 in 660 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -39.88
07:36	BingoBoingo	Really?
07:36	thestringpuller	yea
07:36	BingoBoingo	%tslb
07:36	atcbot	21 minutes and 6 seconds
07:36	thestringpuller	can you reach atc.pitythepool.com
07:37	BingoBoingo	I wouldn't know how. My fumbling attemps at mining never met going to a pool
07:38	BingoBoingo	http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2014/06/17/sen_claire_mccaskill_dissects_dr_oz_for_weight_loss_scams.html
07:38	assbot	Sen. Claire McCaskill dissects Dr. Oz for weight loss scams.
07:44	BingoBoingo	http://www.collegehumor.com/post/6973365/i-cant-believe-they-made-trophies-for-these-things
07:44	assbot	I Can't Believe They Made Trophies For These Things - CollegeHumor Post
07:45	BingoBoingo	I think one of the most important moments of my development was when as a child I learned the trophie store is an actual place
07:47	cazalla	that's a memory i have too.. i use to play soccer, cherished the ribbons and trophies, figured out you could buy yourself the biggest and engrave anything for doing nothing killed the motivation to play
07:49	Naphex	cazalla: the trick to being pro is getting paid to play :)
07:49	Naphex	not trophies
07:50	Naphex	you can scam trophies on everything :P
07:50	cazalla	i actually played with a pro, he got dumped from the aussie team this world cup though
07:50	cazalla	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_Wilkshire
07:50	assbot	Luke Wilkshire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
07:50	cazalla	he bought me a he-man for my 7th birthday party
07:52	BingoBoingo	cazalla: I took away that anyone can have anything engraved and realized you can conceal success.
07:52	Naphex	mircea_popescu: http://stirileprotv.ro/stiri/social/lov-moneda-virtuala-a-tiganilor-pe-care-nu-stiu-s-o-foloseasca-ce-stiu-romii-din-stefanesti-despre-banul-de-pe-internet.html
07:52	assbot	"Ce sa facem noi cu loveaua?". Moneda tiganeasca de pe internet pe care supusii lui Cioaba nici nu stiu sa o foloseasca
07:52	Naphex	a must see :))
07:53	Naphex	Romanian Gypsy king releases gypsy coin
07:53	Naphex	called LOV
07:53	Naphex	:))
07:53	Naphex	cryptocurrency :)
08:04	fluffypony	lol really?
08:04	fluffypony	that's hilarious
08:04	Naphex	Gypsy King said next month he has meeting with US VP
08:05	Naphex	and his gonna mention LOVECoin
08:05	Naphex	they want it recognized like baitcoin
08:05	Naphex	true story
08:06	Naphex	watch the video:P
08:08	BingoBoingo	too late http://www.cryptodefense.org/#!mission/cerb
08:08	assbot	The Cryptocurrency Defense Foundation
08:11	BingoBoingo	The abject poverty of too much money http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/06/18/nasa_funding_new_senate_bill_will_keep_us_relying_on_russians_for_rides.html
08:11	assbot	NASA funding: New Senate bill will keep us relying on Russians for rides to space.
08:12	pankkake	"us"
08:18	Naphex	http://www.cryptodefense.org/#!mission/cerb
08:19	Naphex	sry bad key :o
08:21	punkman	lolpatents
08:22	punkman	'Amazon patents 1-click blockchain transaction'
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08:38	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9061 @ 0.0008265 = 7.4889 BTC [+]
08:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.0687777 = 1.7194 BTC [-]
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09:07	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 26 @ 0.069 = 1.794 BTC [+]
09:17	mircea_popescu	Naphex ahahaha
09:19	mircea_popescu	nice punkman
09:21	mircea_popescu	<thestringpuller> what hppened to pity the pool? << ddos wars raging
09:25	mircea_popescu	peterl has an excellent point here http://trilema.com/2014/introducing-the-d-series/#comment-101367
09:25	assbot	Introducing the D. series pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
09:25	mircea_popescu	all sorts of arbitrages suddenly open
09:33	ThickAsThieves	[04:54] <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves so is atc taking over the ltc role ? /// well it *should* take over the role of all other coins of no distinction
09:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.0008265 = 6.0335 BTC [+]
09:47	ThickAsThieves	<+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves you need a comment permalink ///hrm, i'm not sure how to enable such ... ?
09:50	ThickAsThieves	<+mircea_popescu> incidentally, what's the us black slang to denote a woman in her 20s that spends her life naked in the household of some local lord / trap star ? /// gold digger, groupie, slut -- i'm not sure proper word exists, not that this is even a common thing
09:58	ThickAsThieves	<gribble> Sent 1 week, 0 days, 11 hours, and 38 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> Altcoin is holding me back. /// hehe, how can i help?
10:08	chetty	http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/us-patent-office-cancels-redskins-trademark-registration-says-name-is-disparaging/2014/06/18/e7737bb8-f6ee-11e3-8aa9-dad2ec039789_story.html
10:08	assbot	U.S. Patent office cancels Redskins trademark registration, says name is disparaging - The Washington Post
10:12	bitcoinpete	chetty speaking of bad words: he/she
10:12	bitcoinpete	http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/06/17/vancouver-school-boards-genderless-pronouns-not-likely-to-stick-if-history-is-any-indication/?__federated=1
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10:12	assbot	Vancouver School Board’s genderless pronouns xe, xem, xyr not likely to stick, if history is any indication | National Post
10:15	nubbins`	"a woman in her 20s that spends her life"
10:15	thestringpuller	nubbins`: do you have a tracking number for the shirt btw?
10:16	nubbins`	chetty: cue the "counterfeit" redskins jerseys / memorabilia
10:17	nubbins`	thestringpuller: sorry, was waiting a couple days to see if more orders came in. shirt's getting printed today. tracking is too costly, most people opt out
10:17	nubbins`	you can add it if you like tho, i think it's around an extra $10
10:18	thestringpuller	ah
10:18	thestringpuller	we can discuss, i like tracking
10:20	nubbins`	$20 shipping for $15 shirt :D
10:21	nubbins`	oh and hey, did you say you wanted the #b-a / freenode text on the back?
10:23	chetty	re:redskins decision// que the counterfeit everything, trademarks just became a joke
10:24	nubbins`	;;calc just became XD
10:24	gribble	Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
10:24	nubbins`	i mean, uh
10:24	nubbins`	just became XD
10:29	mike_c	who is 'rethink-your-strategy'? that is some skilled trolling.
10:29	mike_c	pankkake?
10:30	pankkake	no
10:31	nubbins`	http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/06/17/vancouver-school-boards-genderless-pronouns-not-likely-to-stick-if-history-is-any-indication/?__federated=1
10:31	assbot	Vancouver School Board’s genderless pronouns xe, xem, xyr not likely to stick, if history is any indication | National Post
10:32	pankkake	"We are approve of this message." https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=655464.msg7378988#msg7378988
10:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] DataTank Mining: 1.2MW 3M Novec Immersion Cooled 2PH Mining Container
10:33	pankkake	nubbins`: French would drive them mad
10:35	nubbins`	ils seraient rendus fous XD
10:37	nubbins`	"they" generally works but would sound odd in a group setting
10:37	bitcoinpete	nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2014#723409
10:37	assbot	#bitcoin-assets log
10:38	nubbins`	ah haha i'm a dickhead
10:38	pankkake	the worst is job names. some can be gendered, some not, and even the French don't know what to do of them
10:38	nubbins`	chanteuse!
10:38	bitcoinpete	lol just 25 minutes late to the party
10:38	bitcoinpete	i suppose you want the cake now too?
10:38	nubbins`	D;
10:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 144 @ 0.06580291 = 9.4756 BTC [-] {13}
10:41	bitcoinpete	http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-roadshow-swag-special-car-giveaway-in-trek-america/ << these guys are from our local meet-up
10:41	assbot	North America's Bitcoin Roadshow Offers Free Car as Grand Prize
10:43	bitcoinpete	they're basically driving a kia across north america to "raise awareness"
10:43	bitcoinpete	then giving away the car or $10k worth of bitcoins
10:44	bitcoinpete	as fucking if someone takes the beat-up car instead of the coins
10:45	bitcoinpete	maybe mpex or bitbet should slap their logo on the side of this thing
10:45	bitcoinpete	i'm sure spots are for sale for an outrageous amount of money ;)
10:46	mike_c	ThickAsThieves: what do you think about creating seeds.therealaltcoin.org with node seeds.
10:47	mike_c	it's like this, you just add a bunch of A records: http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=a%3abitseed.xf2.org&run=toolpage
10:47	assbot	Network Tools: DNS,IP,Email
10:47	pankkake	the seeds I configured in the client are probably not working anymore
10:48	mike_c	they don't appear to be returning anything
10:49	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00082933 = 15.0109 BTC [+] {2}
10:49	fluffypony	mike_c: dnsseeds don't work that way
10:49	fluffypony	they're dynamic with a low TTL
10:49	mike_c	don't work what way?
10:49	fluffypony	not hard-coded
10:49	pankkake	not necessarily
10:49	fluffypony	it's a round-robin list that's dynamically refreshed on an ongoing basis
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10:50	mike_c	well that sounds like a nice enhancement eventually
10:50	pankkake	I've done all my altcoins with simple A records I updated myself
10:50	pankkake	but yes that requires knowning about the nodes
10:50	mike_c	but right now we are at ground zero with seeding.
10:50	fluffypony	here's the source
10:50	fluffypony	https://github.com/sipa/bitcoin-seeder
10:50	assbot	sipa/bitcoin-seeder GitHub
10:50	fluffypony	not exactly rocket-science stuff
10:50	fluffypony	and easy to adapt
10:51	mike_c	so.. you're saying you'll run it ;)
10:51	mike_c	seeds.fluffypony.org
10:51	fluffypony	lol
10:51	fluffypony	if someone gets the source code working I'll gladly throw it on a box
10:52	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.065 = 1.105 BTC [-]
10:53	mike_c	core dev? any spare time to port to altcoin-seeder?
10:54	thestringpuller	;;bc,stats
10:54	thestringpuller	;;ticker
10:54	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 607.11, Best ask: 608.95, Bid-ask spread: 1.84000, Last trade: 608.95, 24 hour volume: 8276.71700325, 24 hour low: 592.7, 24 hour high: 616.0, 24 hour vwap: 607.271648243
10:54	gribble	Current Blocks: 306507 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 1940 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 2 hours, 3 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
10:57	Mats_cd03	lol
		~ 15 minutes ~
11:13	punkman	that was a good pedicure, now I need a haircut
11:14	punkman	damn barber retired, gotta find a new one
11:14	chetty	http://www.infowars.com/supreme-court-agrees-to-rule-on-limiting-first-amendment/
11:14	assbot	» Supreme Court Agrees to Rule On Limiting First Amendment Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!
11:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 206 @ 0.0289003 = 5.9535 BTC [-]
11:21	mircea_popescu	punkman i hate it when that happens
11:24	nubbins`	i've been cutting my own hair for about 7 years now
11:24	nubbins`	sometimes it turns out terrible :D
11:30	Naphex	nubbins`: why would somebody cut their own hair?
11:30	nubbins`	what an odd question
11:31	nubbins`	why would anyone do anything for themselves?
11:31	punkman	it's one of those things you can't do very well on your own
11:31	Naphex	yes but why not just pay someone to do it
11:31	Naphex	you don't have to pay attention and maybe you get a sweet skull massage :)
11:32	punkman	Naphex, I cut them myself last couple of times, with a little help from the girl, since the barber is not around
11:33	punkman	my biggest problem is the shitty shampoo everyone has
11:33	mircea_popescu	nubbins` sucks his own cock, eats his own cooking, he's a solipsist.
11:33	punkman	and they use too much of it too
11:34	Naphex	:))
11:36	asciilifeform	i know plenty of people who cut their own hair.
11:36	asciilifeform	usually with electric razor.
11:36	Naphex	anything with electric razor or bald doesn't count:P
11:41	mircea_popescu	Naphex wears a pompadour.
11:41	mircea_popescu	I SEEN IT
11:43	chetty	we are on to hair cuts? what happened to the fingernail polish, ladies?
11:43	nubbins`	if i could suck my own cock i wouldn't be wasting my time on irc
11:44	fluffypony	nubbins`: you'd be on TV?
11:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 22 @ 0.0289004 = 0.6358 BTC [+]
11:44	nubbins`	heh
11:44	nubbins`	mp, i think that's not the first time you've called me that
11:44	mircea_popescu	what rly ?
11:44	nubbins`	maybe. not that surprising i guess
11:44	mircea_popescu	chetty http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/Charles_Dana_Gibson00.jpg
11:45	nubbins`	Naphex: i don't pay someone else to cut my hair for the same reason i don't pay someone else to cook my food
11:45	mircea_popescu	what, never ?
11:45	nubbins`	nah, just generally
11:46	nubbins`	me going to a barber for a haircut would make as much sense as going to a restaurant for a bowl of cereal
11:48	mircea_popescu	very small head ?
11:49	nubbins`	bike helmet says XXL
11:52	thestringpuller	;;ident
11:52	gribble	Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
11:53	chetty	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-18/putin-advisor-proposes-anti-dollar-alliance-halt-us-foreign-aggression
11:53	assbot	Putin Advisor Proposes "Anti-Dollar Alliance" To Halt US Aggression Abroad | Zero Hedge
11:54	mircea_popescu	http://www.listafirme.ro/polimedia-srl-22530016/
11:54	mircea_popescu	check out graph. to teh moonz!
11:55	mircea_popescu	;;bc,stats
11:55	gribble	Current Blocks: 306518 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 1929 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 8 hours, 19 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 15413140721.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.48876
11:55	mircea_popescu	nuts.
11:57	Naphex	18:24 <+nubbins`> i've been cutting my own hair for about 7 years now
11:57	Naphex	18:24 -!- mjr_1 [~Thunderbi@190.105.171.186] has joined #bitcoin-assets
11:57	Naphex	18:24 <+nubbins`> sometimes it turns out terrible :D
11:57	*	nubbins` nods
11:58	nubbins`	and then i can't even fix it because i throw out all my scissors and clippers when i'm done :(
11:58	nubbins`	unlike a barber shop, where you can come in the next day for a free tune-up if you don't like what they've done
12:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 27.09655160 BTC to 9`095 shares, 297928 satoshi per share
12:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 30 @ 0.02033915 = 0.6102 BTC [-] {7}
12:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.69867315 BTC to 9`095 shares, 18677 satoshi per share
12:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 457 @ 0.01949056 = 8.9072 BTC [-] {13}
12:07	mircea_popescu	;;seen korbman
12:07	gribble	korbman was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 15 weeks, 5 days, 22 hours, 32 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <Korbman> or else I wouldn't be on here haha :P
12:09	Mats_cd03	chetty: nails in da coffin
12:09	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointa.lk/threads/dattank-mining-any-chip-any-hardware-any-currency.330080/page-4#post-7067314 << is this guy actually using the dot to represent scalars (ie, as opposed to vectors) or wtf notation is that
12:09	assbot	DatTank Mining: any chip, any hardware, any currency | Page 4 | Bitcointa.lk
12:09	mircea_popescu	first derivative ?
12:11	fluffypony	still a better post than Jimmothy's comment on GPG
12:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.06329633 = 2.5319 BTC [-] {4}
12:12	mircea_popescu	no argument but im fucking curious, it makes no sense
12:15	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: with 30k usd profit, it is not too adventurous a guess that polimedia does not house mpex ?
12:16	mircea_popescu	course not
12:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6664 @ 0.00082981 = 5.5299 BTC [+] {2}
12:23	punkman	Fun fact: out of 10310 bitbets, only 313 have lost money betting on the winning side, and only 100 of those had a weight of 10k
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12:23	punkman	*more than 10k
12:28	mircea_popescu	and total value lost ?
12:28	punkman	1.55 BTC
12:28	mircea_popescu	heh. out of 10k.
12:28	punkman	pretty good
12:29	mircea_popescu	whoa uspo cancelled redskins trademark ?!
12:29	mircea_popescu	bwahgah
12:36	mircea_popescu	o look, south africa actually uses the ancient dce concept. nao i don't need to fumble trying to explain to people what domicile means anymoar! just reference south african law!
12:36	mircea_popescu	thank you internets
12:36	punkman	another tidbit: 52.3 % of bets picked the winning side, with total gain of 2644 BTC
12:36	mircea_popescu	total net gain ?
12:36	punkman	yes
12:36	mircea_popescu	interesting.
12:37	punkman	total amount in 9393 BTC, gain 2633 BTC
12:37	mircea_popescu	punkman you gonna collect all this in a blog post ?
12:37	punkman	it will be in the app
12:37	mircea_popescu	and what's average time ?
12:39	fluffypony	heh
12:39	fluffypony	we're cool that way
12:40	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: I still use DCE when drawing up an MoU for a freelancer in another country
12:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31650 @ 0.00082842 = 26.2195 BTC [-] {3}
12:40	fluffypony	hard habit to break
12:40	mircea_popescu	i thought it was mostly forgotten as a legal term cca 1898 or something
12:40	moiety	ah chicago http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/chicago-nuns-take-strip-club-to-court-for-raucous-music-used-condoms-and-neon-lights-9545855.html
12:40	assbot	Chicago nuns take strip club to court for 'raucous music, used condoms and neon lights' - Americas - World - The Independent
12:40	benkay	dce?
12:41	mircea_popescu	benkay http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-04-28/ grep domicilium
12:41	assbot	How to fail gracefully as a Bitcoin business
12:41	fluffypony	benkay: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domicilium_citandi_et_executandi
12:41	assbot	Domicilium citandi et executandi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
12:41	mircea_popescu	anyway, imo the fiat approach is naive.
12:44	fluffypony	everyone seems to be doing it lately
12:44	fluffypony	valuing things entirely in fiat
12:45	fluffypony	and then almost as an afterthought "ohey, fundraising is in Bitcoin and so are dividend payments"
12:45	mircea_popescu	yeah, that's totally a good reason :D
12:45	fluffypony	lol
12:45	mircea_popescu	what i mean is specifically this : that the construction of recourse and remedy on the infrastructure of fiat is not going to work.
12:45	mircea_popescu	if it were going to work, fiat-based intl merchants wouldn't have such a fucking headache.
12:46	mircea_popescu	consider the earlier case described by altucher.
12:46	mircea_popescu	why did "bill" and everyone else involved seem to think that once the 10mn is wired, that's it, the fraudster won ?
12:46	mircea_popescu	why, specifically because the fiat method does not work.
12:48	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06899789 = 0.69 BTC [-]
12:48	fluffypony	I agree with that - it was more to show that personal liability is always an option on the fiat side (reckless trading etc.), so this idea that you can burn a registered company and walk away and start a new one is also flawed
12:48	fluffypony	because that's the other thing that seems to be big, especially on the forums
12:48	fluffypony	"I can show business registration papers so therefore"
12:48	mircea_popescu	depends if you make a business of it or not.
12:48	fluffypony	like registering a business in and of itself makes it flawless
12:48	mircea_popescu	if you do, you can. if you're random joe blow you can not, but then again this stuff is not for you anyway,
12:48	fluffypony	yep
12:49	asciilifeform	burn a registered company and walk away and start a new one << interesting historical degenerate case: russia during lenin's 'NEP' - 20s - folks would close a firm immediately prior to tax day, open new one the day after with same assets
12:49	benkay	"CAN I HAVE BITCOINZ NOA?" << lol
12:49	mircea_popescu	so it's really a blind alley : those on whom it'd work are probably the same set that think "bitcoin is bad" or w/e
12:49	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform and even so soviet tax collection was better than the tsar's.
12:49	asciilifeform	('nep' was an experiment with limited 'backslide' into capitalism)
12:50	asciilifeform	result was a miniature preview of the 'roaring '90s'
12:50	mircea_popescu	which brings an interestin point.
12:51	punkman	mircea_popescu: average time from winning bet placement to resolution is 42 days
12:51	mircea_popescu	i wasn't watching at the time, but did ayone in the early 90s/late 80s say hey, lenin's nep previewed what'll happen here ?
12:51	mircea_popescu	punkman ty!
12:51	asciilifeform	oh sure they did
12:51	asciilifeform	plenty of folks knew exactly how it would roll.
12:51	mircea_popescu	;;calc (2633 / 9393) ** (42/365)
12:51	gribble	0.863856328733
12:51	mircea_popescu	86% pa.
12:53	fluffypony	btw benkay - http://stealth.openwall.net/xSports/shocker.c
12:53	fluffypony	docker breakout PoC
12:54	punkman	9393 was only the winners' input btw
12:54	benkay	"don't run strange"
12:54	asciilifeform	http://cryptome.org/2014/06/nsa-spiegel-snowden-14-0618.pdf << 200 pgs. of new crapolade
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12:56	benkay	crapolades
12:56	benkay	accocraps
12:56	benkay	derpocalypse
12:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.0008269 = 16.9515 BTC [-] {3}
12:58	asciilifeform	all the good bits carefully censored out.
12:59	chetty	http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Graffiti-Suspect-Francisco-Canseco-Tagged-Courtroom-263528431.html
12:59	assbot	Brazen Graffiti Suspect Tagged Courtroom: Officials | NBC 7 San Diego
13:02	benkay	http://trilema.com/2014/people-us-dollars-are-not-worth-a-fifth-of-a-bitcent-stop-selling/#footnote_1_55053 // not strong, someday smart.
13:02	assbot	People! US Dollars are not worth a fifth of a Bitcent. STOP SELLING! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
13:08	*	chetty thinks MP has been reading tea leaves again// "- I suppose you’ve never learned of the law that protects people’s rights and propety "
13:08	chetty	goes so nice with theft of redskins trademark
13:09	asciilifeform	as i understand, not quite stolen yet - just some of the bolts holding it down removed.
13:09	asciilifeform	there are still state-level trademarks, afaik
13:12	chetty	the states stand up so well to the feds these days
13:16	asciilifeform	http://imgur.com/48WRuJ6,W7nuzd8#0
13:16	assbot	turdomatic - Imgur
13:16	asciilifeform	^ choice turdlets
13:18	punkman	asciilifeform: what's that
13:18	asciilifeform	punkman: snippets from the new spiegel collection
13:23	chetty	asciilifeform, greping for ips? wish I had some time for funs
13:23	Naphex	mircea_popescu: lol http://fundatiabitcoin.ro/
13:23	assbot	Fundatia Bitcoin Romania | Sustine Bitcoin
13:23	fluffypony	lol
13:24	asciilifeform	Radu Georgescu << gecad ?
13:24	Naphex	yes
13:24	Naphex	or coinzone or whatever
13:38	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 90 @ 0.01979875 = 1.7819 BTC [+] {2}
13:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06550729 = 0.6551 BTC [-] {4}
13:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.06323412 = 1.5809 BTC [-] {5}
13:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00082375 = 14.498 BTC [-] {4}
13:48	mthreat	asciilifeform: that nsa-spiegel-snowden PDF is pretty interesting. It seems like Germany is basically part of the "five eyes" countries, which would make it "six eyes"
13:49	asciilifeform	mthreat: the bnd thing is old hat.
13:49	asciilifeform	muppet state.
13:50	asciilifeform	(not to be confused with 'puppet state')
13:54	benkay	<mircea_popescu> incidentally, what's the us black slang to denote a woman in her 20s that spends her life naked in the household of some local lord / trap star ? // video ho in the rap industry
14:04	benkay	punkman: that's lookin all right man
14:11	mike_c	yeah, very cool. when do we get to play with it?
14:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00082603 = 4.0062 BTC [+]
14:22	davout	how does this guy get resolved if the auction is kept private? --> http://bitbet.us/bet/951/silk-road-coin-auction-extravaganza/
14:22	assbot	BitBet - Silk Road Coin Auction Extravaganza :: 1.39 B (58%) on Yes, 0.99 B (42%) on No | closing in 1 week 1 day| weight: 92`453 (100`000 to 1)
14:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 45 @ 0.0635 = 2.8575 BTC [+]
14:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.06349999 = 0.762 BTC [-] {3}
14:31	los_pantalones	does anyone know if the us govt has control the private keys on the silk road wallets ?
14:31	los_pantalones	i was always under the impression that they didn't have control of that
14:32	asciilifeform	los_pantalones: dpr might be sitting on a stake as we speak, coughing up the keys
14:33	los_pantalones	hmm
14:33	los_pantalones	color me skeptical
14:34	mike_c	possiblity? SR coins can be sold now. DPR coins can't be sold until conviction.
14:34	mike_c	ianal
14:34	los_pantalones	yes, i think that is true
14:34	los_pantalones	but still only theoretically
14:35	fluffypony	that's the way I understood it too
14:35	los_pantalones	fluffypony you understood that was the process or that the feds do not have the private keys
14:35	los_pantalones	or both
14:36	fluffypony	both
14:36	los_pantalones	tyvm
14:36	los_pantalones	i thought i was crazy
14:36	fluffypony	they don't have the keys (at least not that they've admitted to), but once they have them they can beat the keys out of him with a wrench
14:37	fluffypony	Joe "The Plumber" Kazinsci will work his wrench magic on DPR
14:37	los_pantalones	ha, idk, i don't doubt they will try
14:37	los_pantalones	but if it comes AFTER the conviction
14:39	los_pantalones	why would he care
14:39	los_pantalones	"welcome to jail for life"
14:42	FabianB	$traded
14:42	empyex	FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: S.MPOE X.EUR
14:43	benkay	;;later tell BingoBoingo herbi's back?
14:43	gribble	The operation succeeded.
14:50	chetty	http://www.coindesk.com/list-possible-silk-road-bitcoin-bidders-allegedly-leaked-us-marshals/
14:50	assbot	List of Possible Silk Road Bitcoin Bidders Allegedly Leaked by US Marshals
14:52	asciilifeform	'Avarus, Inc. (“we”, “us”, “our”) was incorporated under the laws of the State of Delaware on September 20, 2010. The Company was originally organized as a “blank check” shell Company to investigate and acquire a target company or business seeking the perceived advantages of being a publicly held corporation.' << lol!
		~ 15 minutes ~
15:08	trinque	chetty: amateurs
15:21	davout	the list is genuine
15:21	punkman	mike_c: fresh out of the oven https://bitbucket.org/abfg/bitbet.py/src
15:21	assbot	abfg / bitbet.py / source / — Bitbucket
15:23	mike_c	nice
15:24	punkman	no it's 15kb of pure horror
15:24	kakobrekla	title = AttrMap(Filler(Text(['BITBET.PY', '\n', 'DELUXE EDITION'],align='center'),valign='middle'), 'banner') < WIN
15:24	kakobrekla	only amazing edition can top that
15:24	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
15:25	punkman	there's some work to get to AMAZING
15:30	punkman	why isn't the hashbang working, how do I linux?
15:39	mike_c	don't you need a space?
15:40	mike_c	#! /usr/whatever
15:40	mike_c	doesn't look like it, ignore me.
15:43	punkman	oops forgot chmod +x
15:44	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00082697 = 7.7322 BTC [+] {2}
15:47	nubbins`	heh
15:47	nubbins`	nanotube, first name on the list
15:48	Naphex	so there is a list of bidders
15:48	Naphex	pretty interesting
15:48	Naphex	anyone did any intel on the bidders yet?
15:50	thestringpuller	nanotube is an associate professor
15:50	thestringpuller	never really knew his real name
15:51	Naphex	anyone got the full bcc?
15:52	los_pantalones	i think that was the full list
15:52	los_pantalones	don't think there were any bcc
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16:09	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.06943859 = 1.2499 BTC [+] {2}
16:10	los_pantalones	!up 1337
16:11	FabianB	1 != l
16:11	los_pantalones	!up 1337
16:11	chetty	!up l337
16:11	l337	oh, thanks chetty
16:12	chetty	yw
16:12	l337	why couldn't you do it, los_pantalones?
16:12	FabianB	because 1 != l
16:12	l337	ah, didn't notice that
16:14	l337	regarding this http://trilema.com/2014/people-us-dollars-are-not-worth-a-fifth-of-a-bitcent-stop-selling/
16:14	assbot	People! US Dollars are not worth a fifth of a Bitcent. STOP SELLING! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
16:14	l337	is MP pricing bitcoin @ $10k, did I get that right?
16:15	chetty	well he is making a point about not selling cheap if you got em to hold
16:17	chetty	I dont think we actually have very good price signals atm
16:17	bitstein	We don't.
16:18	l337	what would constitute a good price signal tho?
16:26	punkman	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7909791
16:26	assbot	Code Spaces data and backups deleted by hackers | Hacker News
16:27	punkman	clown-based backups
16:30	fluffypony	"Our backups were powered by Usagi"
16:30	fluffypony	I wish that was in there :(
16:30	punkman	better link http://beta.slashdot.org/story/203503
16:30	assbot	Code Spaces Hosting Shutting Down After Attacker Deletes All Data - Slashdot
16:31	davout	los_pantalones Naphex i have 21 more e-mail addresses in mine
16:33	los_pantalones	oh, fo realz? why didn't they get dox'd with the rest ?
16:33	los_pantalones	and are you bidding or just asked them a question ?
16:36	los_pantalones	sorry, per'aps that was something i shouldn't have asked
16:38	chetty	davout, +1 spy skills
16:38	davout	there are a few addresses that have no associated name, a couple folks that lead to multiple google hits
16:38	davout	also no, i'm not bidding, and i didn't inquire
16:39	los_pantalones	oh, got it
16:41	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16541 @ 0.00082894 = 13.7115 BTC [+]
16:42	chetty	!up l337
16:46	FabianB	l337: if you lurk a few month you'll know better
16:46	l337	will do
16:48	FabianB	l337: if you don't look short-time you might realize it's not current fiat/btc price that matters
16:49	l337	I seem to know that already, it's the long-term value I am interested in
16:53	fluffypony	long-term I already know the price of Bitcoin
16:53	fluffypony	by the time we hit 2030
16:53	fluffypony	1 Bitcoin will = 1 Bitcoin
16:53	fluffypony	you heard it here first
16:53	fluffypony	tell your kids
16:53	Mats_cd03	shit, nigga
16:53	fluffypony	Mats_cd03: I'm a regular prophet
16:54	fluffypony	;;8ball will 1 Bitcoin = 1 Bitcoin by the time we hit 2030?
16:54	gribble	One would be wise to think so.
16:54	fluffypony	even gribble knows.
16:54	FabianB	too many miners don't
16:55	l337	it must be painful spending it once the dollar goes to shit
16:56	chetty	whats a dollar?
16:56	jurov	hi all, any news around X.IDIFF.JUN?
16:57	mike_c	no settlement announcement yet
16:57	mike_c	i assume that means it will be capped.
16:57	FabianB	$depth X.IDIFF.JUN
16:57	empyex	FabianB: [X.IDIFF.JUN] Bids:
16:57	empyex	FabianB: [X.IDIFF.JUN] Asks: 4806 @ 0.01189900 100000 @ 0.01190000 1 @ 0.01200000
16:57	mike_c	dangerous trading on settlement day.
16:57	davout	chetty: "whats a dollar?" <<< just a letter away from a collar
16:58	fluffypony	chetty: it's like Bitcoin but centralised and it has a random annual inflation set by this centralised issuer. also no block reward, lame.
16:58	jurov	yes, it's frozen on coinbr and I would like to close it today, tmrw will be mostly afk
16:58	mike_c	mircea_popescu hasn't said anything
16:59	jurov	that's why i'm asking
16:59	mike_c	just highlighting him :)
16:59	*	jurov feels derpy nao
16:59	asciilifeform	;;later tell mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs_DORLTWLU
16:59	assbot	Nassim Taleb on Anti-Fragility - YouTube
16:59	gribble	The operation succeeded.
17:00	asciilifeform	^ finally forced myself to read that book - not a fan. despite not really disagreeing with the arguments (to the extent the man bothered to make arguments)
17:01	asciilifeform	it is very reminiscent of the 'atheism books' one finds in u.s. shops. if you were never a christian, they're a total snore.
17:02	asciilifeform	herr taleb alternates between ruminating on his personal sense of brilliance and excellent pedigree, and... punching a boxer's bag. how much fun to watch a man punch a bag?
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17:02	jurov	;;calc 4250217919*2.9
17:02	gribble	12325631965.1
17:02	jurov	def capped
17:03	mike_c	i would hope so. diff flipped on the 18th though.
17:03	jurov	did it? lol
17:03	mike_c	but since it hasn't been announced yet, i assume capped.
17:03	mike_c	(and i may or may not be talking my book here)
17:09	fluffypony	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=656861.msg7383469#msg7383469
17:09	assbot	CRYPTNEY- Bringing Crypto Currency to the Masses!
17:09	fluffypony	"If you are on my investors mailing list this is the email number. Please cross check.
17:09	fluffypony	To confirm email please match numbers.
17:09	fluffypony	Private investor email #134252"
17:10	fluffypony	lol
17:10	fluffypony	who needs gee pee gee when you have sekrit kodez on forumz
17:13	mike_c	if only there were a way to verify who wrote an email..
17:15	fluffypony	mike_c: I know
17:15	punkman	yo dawg I heard u like difficulty: "The header is signed with the coinbase transaction's private key, and the hash (SHA256(SIG(header, privkey))) of that signature is smaller than a second difficulty parameter Y. "
17:15	fluffypony	it would be a marvellous invention
17:15	punkman	http://hackingdistributed.com/2014/06/18/how-to-disincentivize-large-bitcoin-mining-pools/
17:15	assbot	How to Disincentivize Large Bitcoin Mining Pools
17:15	fluffypony	someone should add that
17:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00082643 = 8.099 BTC [-]
17:26	Mats_cd03	http://youtu.be/jaRsJvZgg2s
17:26	assbot	ZHU - Faded (ODESZA Remix) - YouTube
17:29	dignork	punkman: this proposition does not solve anything really. gigahash will run his private servers to solve the second puzzle, happily keeping 99% of hashing power.
17:29	punkman	I'm sure it's braindamaged
17:29	punkman	too long, didn't read
17:31	dignork	tl;dr version: we add another puzzle with controllable difficulty, which pool will have to solve, but it uses privkey, so he won't outsource it.
17:31	punkman	ah thx ;)
17:33	Mats_cd03	https://soundcloud.com/soundremedy/moby-almost-home-sound-remedy-remix
17:33	assbot	Moby - Almost Home (Sound Remedy Remix) by Sound Remedy on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds
17:39	mircea_popescu	<punkman> 9393 was only the winners' input btw << well yes.
17:39	mircea_popescu	* chetty thinks MP has been reading tea leaves again// << the funny thingbeing... i don't even drink that much tea :D
17:39	mircea_popescu	<asciilifeform> ^ choice turdlets << ahahaha the ips are the lulzy part.
17:40	mircea_popescu	<Naphex> tre' sa fie si puletii nostri in rind cu puletii lor, nu se poa'.
17:43	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.065 = 0.91 BTC [-]
17:45	Naphex	mircea_popescu: omu numa prostii observa si invata vad ca
17:45	Naphex	:)
17:46	Naphex	at some point maybe people will wise up and stop comming into bitcoin like its hipster web3.0
17:47	mircea_popescu	ok so believe it or not, trilema credits just had its first hash collision. two guys with very reasonable emails + their ips hash as the same thing. who knew.
17:48	Naphex	the cookie hashing scheme seemed a bit lacking
17:49	mircea_popescu	Naphex not gonna happen. remember patriciu thinking he's going to be rich by copying berlusconi (adevarul),
17:49	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00082578 = 6.6888 BTC [-]
17:49	mircea_popescu	or that sad sad mic.ro debacle ?
17:49	mircea_popescu	;;google moartea ca o veste buna
17:49	gribble	Octombrie 2010 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2010/10>; Lifespiel pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/lifespiel/>; La mormantul lui ARSENIE BOCA. Parintele a lasat cu limba de ...: <http://intamplarisavante.wordpress.com/2010/11/28/la-mormantul-lui-arsenie-boca-parintele-a-lasat-cu-limba-de-moarte-ca-nimeni-sa-nu- (1 more message)
17:49	mircea_popescu	bah
17:49	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2010/moartea-ca-o-veste-buna/
17:49	assbot	Moartea ca o veste buna pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
17:50	mircea_popescu	that should prolly be in english
17:51	Naphex	doubt it would sound that good in english
17:51	Naphex	romanian has a good way of adding feeling into writing :)
17:52	mircea_popescu	i guess so.
17:56	mircea_popescu	los_pantalones: does anyone know if the us govt has control the private keys on the silk road wallets ? << they claim they do.
17:56	mircea_popescu	sort -of, kinda.
17:56	penguirker	New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/xidiffjun-has-settled-2/
17:56	mircea_popescu	fluffypony: they don't have the keys (at least not that they've admitted to), but once they have them they can beat the keys out of him with a wrench << this is a dubious proposition at best.
17:57	mircea_popescu	the difference between us being, of course, that i've had occasion to beat things out of people.
17:57	TheNewDeal	MP, i thought the US has the wallets, but they do not have the password to unencrypt
17:58	mircea_popescu	all too often it goes like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-d5yU-aQ34
17:58	assbot	CASINO(1995) TORTURE SCENE.. - YouTube
17:58	Naphex	here is a question, will USMS send the bitcoin to the winer or give him private keys/paper wallet?:)
17:58	mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal right.
17:58	TheNewDeal	surprised he didn't have it backed up anywhere?
17:59	TheNewDeal	I am surprised *
17:59	mircea_popescu	they don't have the EXCLUSIVE now do they
17:59	mircea_popescu	info wants to be free.
17:59	mircea_popescu	for all the usg knows, we all have a copy, and the keys, and are sitting here lolling at their punk ass.
18:00	TheNewDeal	what do you mean exclusive, like the sole copy?
18:01	mircea_popescu	ya
18:01	mircea_popescu	punkman: no it's 15kb of pure horror << lol make it longer!
18:02	mircea_popescu	btw, if the usms manages to get SCAMMED out of the sale...
18:02	fluffypony	needs moar whitespace!
18:02	mircea_popescu	o boy. that'll be the lol of all time.
18:03	fluffypony	http://i.imgur.com/at1Klvk.jpg
18:03	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13013 @ 0.00082547 = 10.7418 BTC [-] {2}
18:03	mircea_popescu	thestringpuller: never really knew his real name << http://trilema.com/2011/fetele-bitcoin-ului-episodul-iii/ like.
18:03	assbot	Fetele bitcoin-ului, episodul III pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
18:03	asciilifeform	usms manages to get SCAMMED << had urge to bet on this, immediately after the press release. then understood that probably 'badBet.'
18:03	mircea_popescu	gotta read trilemaz.
18:04	mircea_popescu	punkman: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7909791 << clearly usagi has a future.
18:04	assbot	Code Spaces data and backups deleted by hackers | Hacker News
18:05	BingoBoingo	Bitpay continues burning money at an alarming rate http://valleywag.gawker.com/there-will-be-a-bitcoin-ncaa-bowl-game-1592534915/+laceydonohue
18:05	assbot	There Will Be a Bitcoin NCAA Bowl Game
18:05	mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03: shit, nigga << my words exactly :D
18:05	Naphex	mircea_popescu: was that interview in romanian or translated?
18:05	TheNewDeal	3 year sponsorship... dman
18:05	mircea_popescu	translated. nanotube doesn't yet speak it
18:06	BingoBoingo	TheNewDeal: So 3-10 million burned
18:06	mircea_popescu	o hey, less than neobee
18:06	TheNewDeal	maybe even less
18:06	mircea_popescu	course, cyprus advertising is kinda useless
18:07	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo 2.5ish afaik
18:07	mircea_popescu	jurov: hi all, any news around X.IDIFF.JUN? << was announced.
18:07	mircea_popescu	mike_c ^
18:07	mike_c	i saw. wise decision.
18:07	BingoBoingo	2.5 ish is stil close to 10% of their last fundraising round
18:08	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: herr taleb alternates between ruminating on his personal sense of brilliance and excellent pedigree, and... punching a boxer's bag. how much fun to watch a man punch a bag? << kinda why i wanted him to come here.
18:08	mircea_popescu	it's my estimation that he's like a russian hound running with pudels,
18:08	mircea_popescu	which is the worst thing that can happen to the hound. the poodles... well... what do they care.
18:09	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo btw, do you know about how much a round COSTS ?
18:09	mircea_popescu	<mike_c> i saw. wise decision. << haha why, did it make you moneyz ?
18:09	mike_c	it might have :)
18:09	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: No, but I assume it costs a lot of sweat and treasure... and equity
18:09	mircea_popescu	fluffypony: who needs gee pee gee when you have sekrit kodez on forumz << epic lol
18:10	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo it costs money.
18:10	mircea_popescu	you gotta pay all sorts of people, and generally upfront fees.
18:10	mircea_popescu	this is why corps that blow a round and surivive are so rar.
18:10	mircea_popescu	e
18:11	mircea_popescu	also exactly where the vc wants them : once they're in the ring they pretty much gotta close, no matter what the termsheet.
18:11	mircea_popescu	the other side of course has no such constraints.
18:12	mircea_popescu	"Confirmado: no hay precio para el dólar. Nadie vende, solo compran a $ 12.30".
18:12	TheNewDeal	called that xdiff june was underrated
18:12	mircea_popescu	the peso looks well in trouble lol
18:14	TheNewDeal	which peso? so many
18:14	mircea_popescu	argentine
18:15	mircea_popescu	this country is getting so fucken sweet...
18:16	benkay	lol except for the machinery
18:16	benkay	how on earth are you supposed to run a machine shop when they hold your mills at the border?
18:16	mircea_popescu	"Overall, it provides a gentle fix to the recent GHash fiasco"
18:16	mircea_popescu	derp.
18:17	mircea_popescu	i guess scammers and academics will never stfu are they
18:17	benkay	seriously mircea_popescu how can one have a good time without CNC machinery?
18:18	mircea_popescu	why without ?
18:18	benkay	how to get a big-boy mill into ars?
18:19	mircea_popescu	The header is signed with the coinbase transaction's private key, and the hash (SHA256(SIG(header, privkey))) of that signature is smaller than a second difficulty parameter Y.
18:19	mircea_popescu	how the fuck can current miners preserve ths investment lmao
18:19	mircea_popescu	benkay you import it, like anything else ?
18:19	benkay	except that it gets stopped at the border.
18:20	mircea_popescu	"This mechanism is easy to devise following a community discussion that establishes the principles"
18:20	mircea_popescu	holy hell already.
18:20	mircea_popescu	benkay who told you this ? and why ?
18:21	mircea_popescu	anyway, gotta broadway nao. laters.
18:21	benkay	some argentinian. to keep me from doing things?
18:22	TheNewDeal	you can't import cnc equipment into argentina?
18:22	benkay	the word i got was that large, tech-heavy equipment gets stalled at the border.
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18:22	TheNewDeal	who's going to run a cnc shop? I work on cnc equipment at the moment
18:22	benkay	but i'd just looooooove to plop down 600k to test the theory.
18:23	benkay	it's on the list of things to buy, TheNewDeal .
18:23	TheNewDeal	we could import it in parts and then bujild it
18:23	TheNewDeal	you*
18:23	benkay	hue
18:23	TheNewDeal	ewe
18:24	dignork	just funny: http://techcrunch.com/2014/06/18/bitcoin-auction/
18:24	assbot	US Marshall Accidentally Reply-Alls Anonymous Bitcoin Auction Bidders In Email Fiasco | TechCrunch
18:25	TheNewDeal	noooo way
18:26	TheNewDeal	oh that's lame, they showed the email with blacked out names
18:27	dignork	TheNewDeal: dunno who blacked the names, somebody got the full list though
18:27	TheNewDeal	techcrunch did
18:27	dignork	usms later said that these are not bidders, just people that where asking for clarifications
18:27	TheNewDeal	or at least that is what the article claims
18:29	TheNewDeal	in other news, "US Marshal only spelled with one L"
18:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5136 @ 0.00082459 = 4.2351 BTC [-]
18:30	asciilifeform	benkay: i hear they'll let your machine through if you bring it as... carry-on baggage
18:34	TheNewDeal	good luck with that
18:35	TheNewDeal	you're asking for many questions from people who will be very suspicious and will not understand your answers
18:36	*	asciilifeform carried a fat oscilloscope and ominous-looking crate with sample boards through u.s, german, romanian customs; nobody blinked an eye
18:37	asciilifeform	i suppose if your cargo looks immediately valuable, you might have problems.
18:37	TheNewDeal	thats ridiculous
18:38	TheNewDeal	o-scope was phat though
18:38	jurov	you should have painted it as doomsday device
18:39	TheNewDeal	nuclear warning
18:39	asciilifeform	take analog scope, glue fins.
18:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 51 @ 0.068 = 3.468 BTC [+] {2}
18:40	TheNewDeal	how expensive is an analog scope?
18:40	asciilifeform	TheNewDeal: if you make the right friends - free.
18:41	asciilifeform	TheNewDeal: if you want a new unit with reasonable bandwidth - a few $K.
18:41	TheNewDeal	thats what I was seeing when I looked it up. quite amazed
18:41	asciilifeform	it'll put you over the weight limit for most airlines, though.
18:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06987478 = 0.6987 BTC [+]
18:43	TheNewDeal	50 pounds?!?
18:43	asciilifeform	approx
18:43	TheNewDeal	whaaaaat
18:43	asciilifeform	varies.
18:44	TheNewDeal	thats ridiculous
18:44	asciilifeform	analogue scope has its virtues. as i understand, most tech types own both kinds.
18:46	TheNewDeal	what do they have in university labs? I always assumed those ones were very inexpensive
18:46	asciilifeform	TheNewDeal: usually chinese digital scopes, like mine
18:46	TheNewDeal	ahhhh
18:46	asciilifeform	depends on the uni
18:47	TheNewDeal	of course
18:47	asciilifeform	mine must've had a good payola year, because they had costly hp units
18:49	TheNewDeal	oOo
18:54	BingoBoingo	http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/06/hacker-infects-synology-storage-devices-makes-off-with-620000-in-dogecoin/
18:54	assbot	Hacker infects Synology storage devices, makes off with $620,000 in Dogecoin | Ars Technica
18:54	TheNewDeal	ascii why did you say that buproprion is useless?
18:55	asciilifeform	TheNewDeal: useless is perhaps wrong word
18:55	asciilifeform	pharmacologically weak, like 'nonalcoholic' beer, rather.
18:56	asciilifeform	you can get 'real' dopamine reuptake inhibitors - but in dark alley, not pharmacy.
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18:56	assbot	Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2Q980S5.txt )
18:56	BingoBoingo	!b 4
18:57	BingoBoingo	I'm telling you that cholorine atom on the ring is the only thing holding it back from greatness and success in the back alley
18:58	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: snip it, add a methyl, ---> methcathinone
18:58	asciilifeform	(brief career as antidepressant in ussr)
18:58	TheNewDeal	what is the way to rate a dopamine reuptake inhibitor
18:58	asciilifeform	now a kitchen favourite in usa
19:00	asciilifeform	*snip methyl
19:01	BingoBoingo	It's really amazing how many catecholemine affecting drugs are merely the base chemical with various things snipped or tacked on...
19:01	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
19:03	BingoBoingo	Entirely different effects built from the same core https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propanolol#mediaviewer/File:Propranolol-skeletal.svg
19:03	assbot	Propranolol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
19:05	asciilifeform	http://imgur.com/JlsaEDI << drug for ThePoor (tm)
19:05	assbot	imgur: the simple image sharer
19:05	BingoBoingo	lol
19:10	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: http://i34.tinypic.com/34sqzx2.jpg
19:13	TheNewDeal	you two are ridiculous
19:26	jurov	dudes and gals, you were really in bashful mood recently
19:26	jurov	22 quotes added
19:31	Naphex	"The Amazon phone is finally here: Amazon unveils the Fire Phone" -> http://boygeniusreport.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/bgr-amazon-smartphone-kindle-fire-phone.jpg?w=952&h=575&crop=1
19:32	Naphex	so.. iphone with windows ui, got it
19:32	Naphex	lousy name for a product though, fire phone
19:32	mike_c	i think amazon runs custom droid builds
19:34	jurov	!up justlurking
19:35	jurov	!up dignork
19:35	punkman	but jurov he only wanted to lurk
19:36	justlurking	thanks jurov; I'm here pre-Yeshiva
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19:53	BingoBoingo	justlurking: Another one of Pete's jews?
19:53	benkay	lol
19:53	TheNewDeal	lol
19:55	BingoBoingo	justlurking: You could do the thing I did, pick a silly name and then later find out you are stuck with it.
19:55	justlurking	probably?
19:56	benkay	that will definitely happen.
19:56	benkay	pick a name you like and use it.
19:57	justlurking	yep, starting my 6 month indoctrination thanks to pete
20:03	TheNewDeal	I was actually allowed to change my name :D
20:05	mike_c	tredos something something?
20:05	BingoBoingo	!up justlurking
20:07	BingoBoingo	;;google manul
20:07	gribble	Pallas's cat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pallas's_cat>; Pallas's Cat Manul - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F13bkwYYcxE>; Manul – the Cat that Time Forgot ~ The Ark In Space: <http://www.arkinspace.com/2011/04/manul-cat-that-time-forgot.html>
20:09	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00082303 = 21.0696 BTC [-] {5}
20:10	TheNewDeal	so I was just reading about the sentencing of Sabu. does anyone know the first time a judge mandated a keylogger in the USSA?
20:10	BingoBoingo	That we know of...
20:10	TheNewDeal	what?
20:11	TheNewDeal	I was asking what was the first time you heard of that
20:11	BingoBoingo	The first time a keylogger was mandated may have come from one of those seekrit courts
20:12	BingoBoingo	You know like the ones that order those drone strikes
20:12	TheNewDeal	not really. never heard of a court mandated drone strike
20:13	BingoBoingo	Well, Obama's a lawyer so he just kind of holds these things himself
20:13	BingoBoingo	It's why BitBet is a better court
20:14	TheNewDeal	reading about it as we speak
20:18	moiety	http://i.imgur.com/qQn4C.jpg
20:19	TheNewDeal	manul!?
20:22	moiety	TheNewDeal: yeah i get a note when manul is mentioned so i just returned a picture.... like a manual manul bot, if you will :D
20:23	assbot	Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0HF2694.txt )
20:23	BingoBoingo	!b 1
20:27	BingoBoingo	http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/01/patients-die/
20:27	assbot	Medical Students Horrified to Learn that all Patients Die, Eventually | Medical Satire - GomerBlog
20:29	BingoBoingo	http://www.gomerblog.com/2013/11/weight-loss-worms/
20:29	assbot	Secret of Successful Weight Loss Clinic: Tape Worms | Medical Satire - GomerBlog
20:31	TheNewDeal	bingoboingo, that we weren't able to strike a deal on the difficulty had little to do with wording. More to do with you placing your bet later than I trying to sell my Yes bets
20:33	BingoBoingo	TheNewDeal: Well, it was a simple disagreement in pricing. Particularly how to price these things. We both disagree on how to do it.
20:34	TheNewDeal	I think it's rather trivial to price them, but finding something that would make sense financially between the two of us was the difficult task
20:35	BingoBoingo	Well, there's also the problem whereing I lack the experience and reputation to feel comfortable selling a synthetic bet.
20:36	TheNewDeal	uncomfortable, it is *yoda voice*
20:36	BingoBoingo	Maybe if I MM'd MPOE options I'd feel comfortable offering a synthetic, but as a person who MM's ATC...
20:37	BingoBoingo	%book
20:37	atcbot	2k@240 16k@235 50k@201 | 50k@161 216k@160 500k@151
20:37	TheNewDeal	haha
20:39	BingoBoingo	Even though the circumstances in which the actual underlying couldn't cover the synthetic would have been exceedingly unlikely... Trading on an artificial weight would have set a bad precedent.
20:39	BingoBoingo	%ticker
20:39	atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 161 Ask: 201 Last Price: 201 24h-Vol: 37k High: 235 Low: 150 VWAP: 160
20:39	TheNewDeal	well you did offer the buyer (mike_c was it?) a discount on the price
20:39	TheNewDeal	which is essentially the same thing
20:42	BingoBoingo	TheNewDeal: Sure I offered a discount, and I tried offering you the same as well. A discount and a synthetic weight though are very different animals.
20:42	TheNewDeal	depending on the amount being purchased though
20:43	TheNewDeal	if you originally bet 1 btc, you could "get away with" selling .5 btc at double the timeweight
20:44	TheNewDeal	neglecting the 1% fee...
20:44	BingoBoingo	"get away with" at the cost of setting a horrible precedent
20:45	asciilifeform	sabu sentenced to keylogger << 2015: public urinator sentenced to toiletcam
20:45	TheNewDeal	hahahaha
20:47	BingoBoingo	!up Pierre_Rochard
20:54	punkman	;;view
20:54	gribble	#20792 Wed Jun 18 20:53:44 2014 punkman SELL 1.0 hour of tech support @ 0.02 BTC (Support for bitbet.py (https://bitbucket.org/abfg/bitbet.py) , Minor feature requests accommodated. While supplies last.)
20:55	punkman	hurr hurr
20:55	TheNewDeal	tech support
20:55	TheNewDeal	can you expand
20:55	punkman	getting it installed, usage, etc
20:56	TheNewDeal	did you develop it?
20:56	punkman	in a hurry
20:58	TheNewDeal	might have to hit you up with that later
20:59	TheNewDeal	;;rate punkman 0 bitbet.py developer, selling support
20:59	gribble	Error: Rating must be in the interval [-10, 10] and cannot be zero.
20:59	TheNewDeal	whaaat
20:59	TheNewDeal	haven't you heard of neutral gribble?
21:00	BingoBoingo	;;rate punkman 1 gambling software
21:00	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user punkman has been recorded.
21:02	TheNewDeal	;;rate punkman 1 bitbet.py developer, selling support
21:02	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user punkman has been recorded.
21:02	punkman	TheNewDeal: here's how it looks now: http://i.imgur.com/6mwsor1.png
21:03	TheNewDeal	yah I think bingoboingo was showing me outputs the other day
21:03	BingoBoingo	punkman: is this a whole new Bitbet.py
21:04	punkman	BingoBoingo: nothing to do with that old bitbets.py
21:04	BingoBoingo	punkman: Maybe give it a new name then...
21:04	BingoBoingo	TheNewDeal: I used the original
21:05	punkman	suggestions welcome, but levenshtein distance of 1 is good enough for me :P
21:06	TheNewDeal	here's a potential suggestion to ponder, we can talk about it more if I get back at you. Placing future bets to see how the pot changes
21:06	punkman	that's what it does
21:06	TheNewDeal	oh rery
21:06	TheNewDeal	it doesn't analyze only the current list of bets to date?
21:07	BingoBoingo	That's kinda the whole point of these tools
21:07	BingoBoingo	adding hypothetical future and past bets
21:07	BingoBoingo	Drugs http://assets.vice.com/content-images/contentimage/162417/1fing.jpg
21:08	BingoBoingo	Lead to http://gawker.com/teen-loses-finger-during-rave-keeps-going-because-bas-1592911313
21:08	assbot	Teen Loses Finger During Rave, Keeps Going Because "Bass Was Hard"
21:08	punkman	the "*me" bet in the screenshot is a hypothetical bet
21:10	TheNewDeal	ridiculous
21:10	moiety	i watched this program called "What Happens in Kavos" and it was all people like that. broken legs, ribs, noses but so wasted they either don't notice or don't feel it enough to do anything about it
21:11	BingoBoingo	Well, the right combinations of lights and sounds can be as dirorienting as the drugs
21:12	punkman	moiety: yeah that seems to be a common theme where brits go to vacation
21:14	moiety	so silly, why pay to get broken
21:15	BingoBoingo	Sometimes the fun in an activity comes from the potential for breaking, and the times people break reinforce the excitement.
21:17	BingoBoingo	http://www.newsweek.com/2014/06/27/steven-hatfills-strange-trip-accused-terrorist-medical-adventurer-255295.html
21:23	asciilifeform	;;google bruce ivings
21:23	gribble	Bruce Edwards Ivins - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Edwards_Ivins>; Affidavit in Support of Search Warrant - FindLaw Legal News: <http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/amerithrax/08-083-M-01-search-warrant-affidavit.pdf>; Long Term Housing Strategy - Bruce County, Ontario, Canada: <http://www.brucecounty.on.ca/services-health/social-housing (1 more message)
21:23	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: ^ related
21:24	asciilifeform	^ case of 'staple gun'-style 'suicide'
21:24	asciilifeform	scandal was pinned on the corpse. case closed.
21:26	BingoBoingo	Yeah. Hatfill's current plans are interesting though now that he has extracted money from the gasenwagen's cheerleaders
21:27	decimation	asciilifeform: have you seen this home-spun open source Verilog tool: http://www.clifford.at/yosys/
21:27	assbot	Yosys Open SYnthesis Suite :: About
21:28	BingoBoingo	Antrax was an absolutely stupid thing to try weaponizing while https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burkholderia_pseudomallei exists
21:28	assbot	Burkholderia pseudomallei - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
21:28	decimation	supposed these people will make you a chip for ~$500 https://www.efabless.com/ - long on hype and short on details though
21:29	asciilifeform	decimation: these are a dime a dozen. not very useful for fpga work, as the latter have proprietary pieces that, if you do not use, leave you with a monstrously bloated design that fits nowhere.
21:29	kakobrekla	;;rate punkman 1 bitbet cli dev
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21:29	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user punkman has been recorded.
21:30	asciilifeform	decimation: $500 << do they also have a bridge we can buy ?
21:30	decimation	yeah the problem is that even if you could get a chip made for free, the cost of reasonable tools to make reasonable designs are prohibative
21:30	asciilifeform	decimation: not really. can use, e.g. 'magic'
21:31	BingoBoingo	I kind of wonder what an asynchronous ASIC design would do to BTC mining
21:31	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: only one way to find out
21:32	decimation	oh yeah I forgot that guy - I think you sent the link before. I was amused by the Tcl
21:33	decimation	http://www.planetanalog.com/author.asp?section_id=519 "MK: The cost is going to be dependent on the process technology, but let's assume it can be in 0.35 or 0.18. Most designs are probably going to be done for about $500 plus silicon costs which could be in the hundreds or low thousands of dollars. You will get your chips in about eight to ten weeks."
21:33	assbot	Planet Analog - Brian Bailey - Mohamed Kassem: Q&A With the Company Founder
21:33	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Of course. It would either be the last great way to profit from mining or an loss, magnitude to be determined
21:33	decimation	ancient process of course, but still would be very useful if true
21:34	asciilifeform	decimation: crucial details missing. e.g. turnaround, yield (% working), whether they package the dies
21:34	asciilifeform	(if unpackaged - have fun welding the gold whiskers on yourself)
21:34	BingoBoingo	"Hatfill looked up, holding his cash and smiling, and said, “At least let John Ashcroft pay for it.”"
21:35	asciilifeform	likewise, your design will go straight to the chicoms, who will produce it at their pleasure.
21:35	decimation	heh yeah unpackaged would be pretty useless
21:35	BingoBoingo	In about 12 hours I have an interview for a job in the bezzel economy, so pumped
21:35	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: you've been starving all this time?
21:36	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Not starving, scraping. Live poor nao to live rich later.
21:37	BingoBoingo	;;google site:trilema.com live to be a millionaire
21:37	gribble	How to live to be rich. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/how-to-live-to-be-rich>; Queers pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/queers/>; Fred Quimby and ancient evils pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/fred-quimby-and-ancient-evils/>
21:41	asciilifeform	it's a great essay, but ought to have been named 'how to die to be rich'
21:41	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2250 @ 0.0008261 = 1.8587 BTC [+]
21:42	BingoBoingo	Eh, details
21:42	asciilifeform	also ignores certain unpleasant realities:
21:42	asciilifeform	e.g. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2014#606983
21:42	assbot	#bitcoin-assets log
21:44	decimation	http://www.isegoria.net/2014/06/the-chaos-wrought-by-progressive-education/
21:44	assbot	The Chaos Wrought By Progressive Education « Isegoria
21:44	decimation	Everyone at our school knows who Dylan is. He comes and goes to lessons as he pleases, habitually swears at teachers, and is an accomplished playground bully. ... I was surprised to hear Dylan?s name announced. He had collected one of the largest amounts of ?reward stickers? in year seven, and was due to collect a prize. Many teachers, it turned out, had taken to bribing him with these stickers in a desperate attempt to appease his
21:44	decimation	unruliness.
21:45	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: It turns out that the cure to an American "Liberal Arts" education is resenting the part where you live on dry noodles.
21:46	asciilifeform	plenty of engineers living on noodles.
21:46	asciilifeform	no longer monopoly of starving artists.
21:46	decimation	that kanzure dude is nuts
21:46	BingoBoingo	You also learn the color of the dandelion greens at their best if you are smart.
21:47	decimation	all the numbers I've see from the bay area companies show that senior engineers are making maybe $150k
21:47	decimation	when a 'house' costs 700-1000k, that's wave slavery
21:47	asciilifeform	decimation: kanzure is a friend of a good chum of mine. as i understand, he made 'fuck you money' in one of the last 'dotcom' bubbles and wanders around the world.
21:48	decimation	that's cool, but that's nothing to do with engineering salaries
21:48	decimation	Of course, there is a "power law" effect in these kinds of things - only the best guys make bank, the rest deminish exponentially
21:48	asciilifeform	i don't know him well. if you want to dispute his info, wake him up (he does - did? lurk here)
21:49	asciilifeform	;;google tournament market
21:49	gribble	The Man Who Wasn't There | Science Careers: <http://sciencecareers.sciencemag.org/career_magazine/previous_issues/articles/2009_02_13/caredit.a0900021>; Marketing your first-year soccer tournament - TourneyCentral: <http://www.tourneycentral.com/marketing-your-first-year-soccer-tournament.html>; Five Keys to Marketing a New Soccer Tournament | The PTM Blog: (1 more message)
21:49	decimation	http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Google-Salaries-E9079.htm
21:49	assbot	Google Salaries and Benefits | Glassdoor
21:49	asciilifeform	1st link
21:49	asciilifeform	see also greenspun.
21:50	asciilifeform	what a google grunt is paid is entirely uninteresting except in light of knowing what he pays to live
21:50	decimation	yeah, I was reading greenspun last night and I thought of you - his post about the low quality of rentals available to citizens
21:50	BingoBoingo	If I get this bezzel job I don't plan to pay more than $300.month to rent
21:51	asciilifeform	http://sciencecareers.sciencemag.org/career_magazine/previous_issues/articles/2009_02_13/caredit.a0900021 << recommended reading
21:51	assbot	The Man Who Wasn't There | Science Careers
21:51	asciilifeform	'One of various ways of organizing work that economists have identified, a tournament market "offers participants the chance of winning a big prize--an independent research career, tenure, a named chair, scientific renown, awards--through competition," writes Richard Freeman and co-authors. Tournament markets amplify "small differences in productivity into large differences in recognition and reward," Freeman an
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21:51	asciilifeform	d co-authors continue. Academic science is only one such market; other familiar examples include rock music, professional sports, and national politics. '
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21:53	asciilifeform	i often say to people, that they should calculate their salary per minute of doing-something-they'd-rather-not
21:53	asciilifeform	e.g. if you have to drive a car to the plant, start the 'clock' from when you turn the ignition key
21:53	asciilifeform	and stop it when you come home and take off your shoes
21:54	asciilifeform	likewise, subtract any money you are forced to spend (e.g. google man must pay $50k/yr, say, to live within 2 hrs. drive of the plant) from your salary.
21:54	asciilifeform	then see who is rich, who is a pauper
21:54	decimation	people don't want to do those calculations - they know the truth and they don't want to face it
21:54	asciilifeform	there's a reason, for example, why e.g. a spammer will 'work 16 hours a day to make money while he sleeps'
21:55	asciilifeform	no car, no boss, no $1000 suits, no clock, etc
21:56	asciilifeform	mr. spam can live in a roach-infested hovel and actually keep 90% of his bread crumbs
21:56	asciilifeform	mr. google - not so much
21:56	BingoBoingo	In the location I'm looking at $3.2 k/year rents a ten minute walk from work, no roomates, because they are horrible for opsec
21:57	decimation	what I would like an "economist" to explain to me is why we subject science and engineering to such high competition but professions like collecting welfare, teaching k-12, gov't employee, etc are subject to no pressure whatsoever
21:57	decimation	why do those people deserve to be sheltered from the harshness of reality?
21:57	asciilifeform	decimation: the pressure is moved to the queue in front of the pig trough
21:58	asciilifeform	decimation: bureaucrats are paid quite little if you perform my calculation
21:58	asciilifeform	at least where i live
21:59	decimation	yeah that's definitely true, even the top of the pile
21:59	asciilifeform	welfare folks 'pay' by having to live in specially designated concentration camps
21:59	decimation	hell Obama only makes $400k
21:59	decimation	teachers "pay" by being unable to actually practice their craft (see my above link)
22:00	Mats_cd03	wtf 3200/yr
22:00	asciilifeform	alaska?
22:00	Mats_cd03	are you living in a fucking trap house
22:00	decimation	alaska is actually pretty expensive
22:01	decimation	n. dakota is cheap
22:01	asciilifeform	afaik folks get housed on company dime at drilling platform
22:01	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Dying college town. Competing against a shortage of broke grad students
22:02	BingoBoingo	Mats_cd03: These places exist in the middle of the US
22:02	Mats_cd03	i see
22:05	decimation	re: redskins trademark cancellation : http://theden.tv/2014/06/18/u-s-patent-and-trade-office-cancels-disparaging-redskins-trademark/
22:05	assbot	U.S. Patent and Trade Office Cancels ‘Disparaging’ Redskins Trademark | Theden | Thedening the West
22:05	decimation	Federal trademark law does not permit registration of trademarks that ?may disparage? individuals or groups or ?bring them into contempt or disrepute.?
22:06	mircea_popescu	but the thing is... this wasn't being registered.
22:06	mircea_popescu	it was registered *already*
22:06	asciilifeform	decimation: this is a more interesting event than appears at first. they just zapped 'stare decisis'
22:06	mircea_popescu	what law allows the office to randomly re-register trademarks ?
22:06	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform exactly.
22:06	asciilifeform	e.g. the authority of the past N years, when the trademark was legal - where is it now.
22:06	decimation	I thought it was illeagal for a bill of attainder
22:07	mircea_popescu	basically the us has no further guaranteed rights.
22:07	decimation	what's the difference between making a law condeming joe to death, vs a law that condemns the redskins trademark to death?
22:07	decimation	for arbitray reasons?
22:07	mircea_popescu	not to property (the so called process "in rem", eminent domain, a whole list)
22:07	asciilifeform	decimation: no law involved - in the usual sense
22:07	mircea_popescu	not to fair process
22:07	mircea_popescu	not to anything
22:07	BingoBoingo	It is amazing people can talk in this state www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs4.asp?DocName=072000050HArt.+26.5&ActID=1876&ChapterID=53&SeqStart=74600000&SeqEnd=75300000
22:07	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
22:07	mircea_popescu	decimation this wasn't a law, to begin with
22:08	mircea_popescu	the entire "attainder" thing is the result of internet fucktards opining on matters. i wouldn't repeat it.
22:08	decimation	yeah it's a civil case, as opposed to criminal
22:09	mircea_popescu	patents are an administrative matter.
22:09	decimation	oh yeah this isn't even a real court, just a commitee of government employees
22:09	decimation	well, derp derp who cares what the opinion of usg employees are
22:10	mircea_popescu	us citizens, as subjects of the usg.
22:10	decimation	so you often complain about the 'rule of law not men'
22:10	mircea_popescu	benkay: the word i got was that large, tech-heavy equipment gets stalled at the border. << anything fucktarder muricans do gets stalled everywhgere.
22:10	mircea_popescu	this is because nobody can stand them.
22:11	decimation	in this case, derpy nobodies are ruling
22:11	decimation	irrespective of controlling laws
22:11	BingoBoingo	I'm still realling that the Bitpay bought one of the most expensive and lowest return forms of advertising.
22:11	mircea_popescu	decimation the problem with trying to promote a system of "laws not men" is that ONLY men can rule. and so under the guise of "laws not men" that keeps actual men away
22:11	mircea_popescu	the cockless dickheads rule.
22:12	decimation	yeah, you could say that we are ruled by non-men, as opposed to men, because laws cannot rule anyone by themselves
22:12	asciilifeform	anything fucktarder muricans do gets stalled << whatever the reason - let's say benkay or i need to get a crate of strange through Ar door. no go, because passport is wrong color. or this is disinfo ?
22:12	mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal: noooo way ?<< yes way. these are the fuckwits that want to be involved as adults
22:12	mircea_popescu	instead of doing what i fucking tell them to do.
22:12	mircea_popescu	like the children they are.
22:13	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform possibly no go, because you don;'t know how to ask.
22:13	mircea_popescu	much like, you want to pick up a chick. no go, because... passport the wrong color ? notrly.
22:15	mircea_popescu	http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--1bXIe06V--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/w33uouiq516gt1btjhjt.jpg << lol they dug upo that old gallippi pic did they
22:16	BingoBoingo	Yeah they did
22:16	mircea_popescu	did bitpay pr, ever clever and professional, have anything to say yet ?
22:17	asciilifeform	don't know how to ask << makes a difference if this is a fixable condition (know who to pay off, etc) or more difficult (have the correct uncle)
22:17	mircea_popescu	for something like importing machinery, definitely the former.
22:19	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I've been looking around slowly. Not found anything yet.
22:20	mircea_popescu	today in the news, pretend you're a corp, pretend you've got 30mn investment, fail to have any pr whatsoever.
22:20	mircea_popescu	how people can be this stupid still amazes me. i mean sure, forum derps, okay, they're all by themselves.
22:20	mircea_popescu	but by now...
22:20	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: consider benkay's point. if i have to wrap sample pcbs in benjamins to get them through customs, this ought to be considered a cost of doing business in Ar
22:20	BingoBoingo	http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-ncaa-college-football-bowl-sponsorship-bitpay/ is closest I've found to Bitpay Pr so far.
22:20	assbot	Attention Required! | CloudFlare
22:20	asciilifeform	doesn't look quite so cheap then, no?
22:20	BingoBoingo	Oh, coindesk nao hates assbot
22:21	mircea_popescu	lol attention required.
22:21	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform what was looking cheap in the first place, or what were we saying ?
22:21	BingoBoingo	I like how Bitpay couldn't even sponsor a game in a stadium actually suited to the sport.
22:21	asciilifeform	Ar, india, etc. look cheap to the uninitiated.
22:21	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo it is not the place of start-ups to sponsor anyway
22:22	asciilifeform	until you move in and try to get, e.g. smt resistors shipped in from malaysia
22:22	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform sure, it's cheap. depends what you want.
22:22	asciilifeform	or pick'n'placers from russia
22:22	mircea_popescu	but if you want that, why the fuck would you not be in malaysia or russia.
22:22	asciilifeform	because not one of these actually contains everything you need for the production line
22:23	decimation	china/taiwan do
22:23	mircea_popescu	so what does argentina contain that you need for your production line ?
22:23	mircea_popescu	i keep trying to get this out for awhile nao
22:23	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Not at all. I guess Imma have to blog.
22:23	asciilifeform	better question - what it doesn't contain.
22:23	asciilifeform	e.g. der wagen
22:23	mircea_popescu	and malaysia does ?!
22:23	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: In any worthwhile endeavor the highest cost belongs to becoming initiated
22:23	decimation	well, it certianly isn't down the street from hong kong
22:24	BingoBoingo	%book
22:24	atcbot	2k@240 16k@235 50k@201 | 50k@161 216k@160 500k@151
22:24	mircea_popescu	think strategically. argentina is a dead end. hong kong is a center. is your business suited for which exactly ?
22:24	mircea_popescu	dead ends are eminently defensible. centers are centers of trade for that reason
22:25	mircea_popescu	what are you building ?
22:25	asciilifeform	small electronic widgets.
22:25	decimation	there is a point to that. If you could become legally "untouchable" for a few $100k in bribes to the right people, that's of significant value
22:25	mircea_popescu	so then because of your dependency on azn manufacturers you conceivably want your business run there
22:26	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ever do business with han chinese ?
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22:26	mircea_popescu	notrly.
22:27	mircea_popescu	not on their turf, anyway.
22:27	asciilifeform	if you've no 'guanxi', you're 'not in his WoT'
22:27	asciilifeform	;;google guanxi
22:27	mircea_popescu	i can attest that when you can have their head, they're reasonable, fwtw.
22:27	gribble	Guanxi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanxi>; What is Guanxi? | World Learner Chinese: <http://www.worldlearnerchinese.com/content/what-guanxi>; Want To Capitalize On China? You Better Have Good Guanxi - Forbes: <http://www.forbes.com/sites/languatica/2012/03/15/want-to-capitalize-on-china-you-better-have-good-guanxi/>
22:27	mircea_popescu	that i doubt very much.
22:27	mircea_popescu	i've yet to have a problem with getting in the wot.
22:27	mircea_popescu	then again, im the sort that learns the language and fucks local.
22:29	decimation	mircea, I suspect the sayings of don colacho would be an excellent way to brush up on spanish: http://don-colacho.blogspot.com/
22:29	assbot	Don Colacho’s Aphorisms
22:30	mircea_popescu	but... it's in engliush ?!
22:30	asciilifeform	chinese 'WoT' (like in other asian nations) is very heavily tilted in direction of blood relation
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22:30	asciilifeform	or at least marriage
22:30	decimation	the original text isn't. click on a link and see the original: http://don-colacho.blogspot.com/2011/02/2862.html
22:30	assbot	Don Colacho’s Aphorisms: #2,862
22:31	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform everytrhing has its exceptions. what do i care what the statistics are ?
22:31	asciilifeform	they'll do buisiness, yes. and at some point, your operation takes off, you find your factory nationalized.
22:31	asciilifeform	or otherwise 'have problems'
22:31	mircea_popescu	whoredom is heavily tilted in the direction of blondes, yet any girl i train can top any brothel she wants.
22:32	mircea_popescu	or maybe they do.
22:32	decimation	http://don-colacho.blogspot.com/2010/01/30.html When people stop fighting for the possession of private property, they will fight for the usufruct in collective property.
22:32	assbot	Don Colacho’s Aphorisms: #30
22:33	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i can't rightfully say china is 'immovable object.' if you care to try 'irresistible force' there, we'll watch, cheer.
22:33	mircea_popescu	everything's an immovable object for something or the other.
22:33	mircea_popescu	how did they end up run by the mongols ?
22:34	BingoBoingo	"unstoppable force" actually beats immovable object in practice
22:35	decimation	so even usg's hilarious inflation numbers are showing inflation http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/17/us-usa-economy-idUSKBN0ES1C620140617
22:35	assbot	U.S. consumer prices show inflation ticking up| Reuters
22:35	*	asciilifeform is forced to reluctantly love chinese - they're the only 'pepsi' we've got left.
22:35	BingoBoingo	Actually unstoppable forces decay within several generations
22:35	decimation	I wonder if this has to do with the sudden uptick in acquisitions by the bezzle masters
22:35	mircea_popescu	what, argentines are pepsi too.
22:36	mircea_popescu	(to add to the humour, in romanian "being pepsi" pretty much means being fucked up)
22:36	asciilifeform	lol
22:36	moiety	night all :]
22:37	mircea_popescu	laters
22:37	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: if you ever have time, consider writing a piece about Ar circa '98-'02
22:37	mircea_popescu	im really not that advanced just yet
22:37	asciilifeform	my (no means) expert understanding - they let themselves get arseraped by us banks
22:37	decimation	ascii why don't the russians get into electronics/computer manufacturing? have they managed to chase away the talent?
22:38	asciilifeform	decimation: start with the soviet mistake (circa mid-70s) of scrapping their own (interesting! e.g. trinary!) comp. research and deciding to copy western archs - e.g. pdp
22:38	asciilifeform	in order to run warez
22:39	asciilifeform	(western hardware was difficult to get - trade embargoed, had to go through shill companies)
22:39	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i don't quite see it. so far, they got 50 bn or so, not paying it back
22:39	mircea_popescu	seems they assraped the us banks to me.
22:40	asciilifeform	http://ferfal.blogspot.com << disinfo ?
22:40	assbot	SURVIVING IN ARGENTINA
22:40	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: this is rather like supposing that russia (default of late 90s) raped us banks
22:40	decimation	the elite did, kind of
22:41	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform didn't it ?
22:41	asciilifeform	for some value of 'it'
22:41	mircea_popescu	decimation the country is the elite.
22:41	mircea_popescu	mobile vulgus has no patria.
22:41	asciilifeform	the objective - entirely non-monetary - ensure that russian industry gets sawn apart for metals - was achieved.
22:42	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the russian industry, such as it was, was crap. it was going to get sold for scrap anyway.
22:42	mircea_popescu	now, its owners had the unmitigated idiocy of not keeping proper capital on hand.
22:42	decimation	yeah when you have a traubant factory that employs 50,000 people things are not going to work out well in the long run
22:42	mircea_popescu	so a bankruptcy was necessary
22:42	BingoBoingo	In a firesale I wonder if Iowa has more value as agriculture or uranium
22:43	asciilifeform	was crap << complicated. if you want sovereignty - gotta crank out the hardware, best as you can.
22:43	mircea_popescu	not true.
22:43	mircea_popescu	im a sovereign that doesn't even suck its own cock, how about that!
22:43	mircea_popescu	shouldn't even exist!!1
22:43	asciilifeform	lenin suggested that the west 'will sell you the rope to hang it with.' not sure if this can be meant literally - could russia buy working nukes from the targets?
22:44	mircea_popescu	dude as if russian industry = nukes in any sense.
22:44	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Not the whole things, but lands were the scarce lives
22:44	decimation	I blame this guy http://jeffsachs.org/2012/03/what-i-did-in-russia/
22:44	assbot	What I did in Russia Jeffrey Sachs
22:44	mircea_popescu	every single piece of automotive machinery, from cars to trains, airplanes and anything else, that uses too much fuel to be economically usable is either russian make or russian design
22:45	asciilifeform	a surprising fraction of soviet economy reduced to - obscenely inefficient method of producing sovereignty-enforcement hardware
22:45	mircea_popescu	fucking saratov fridges doing 4kw to slightly cool three galons
22:45	asciilifeform	4kw fridge. that the germans, swedes, whoever, can't blackmail you with by withholding
22:45	asciilifeform	gotta understand the mentality.
22:45	mircea_popescu	i do understand it, but i am pointing out iot's not all that it's cracked up to be.
22:45	mircea_popescu	putin gets this, incidentally.
22:45	asciilifeform	it's a siege mentality, necessarily extreme
22:46	mircea_popescu	no.
22:46	mircea_popescu	a siege mentality is not necessarily extreme.
22:46	mircea_popescu	it's lazily extrem
22:46	mircea_popescu	e
22:47	asciilifeform	sorta like the kind of fellow everyone must know, that got back from afghan and sleeps hugging his rifle, does nothing as hobby but clean and oil it, cycles the bolt at the slightest noise in the house
22:47	mircea_popescu	nothing wrong with owning a rifle, in good condition, and being ready and able to use it
22:47	asciilifeform	nothing.
22:47	mircea_popescu	however, that's not gonna make an omlet
22:47	asciilifeform	correct
22:48	asciilifeform	good to occasionally hug things that aren't the rifle, also
22:48	mircea_popescu	and so the ak-47 shaped spatulas, 18lbs of solid pig iron
22:48	mircea_popescu	are getting thrown away
22:48	mircea_popescu	because spatula is silicone
22:48	asciilifeform	from russian perspective - silicone that won't be there if the border closes
22:49	asciilifeform	pentium is great. but 'bk-0010' would've still been there.
22:49	mircea_popescu	dude do you see what sort of abused child grown up mentality is this ?
22:49	asciilifeform	sure
22:49	mircea_popescu	"i can't love you because what if you leave me"
22:49	*	asciilifeform doesn't live there now, but definitely gets it. if you grow up in ussr, '45 never really ends
22:50	asciilifeform	or, pessimistically, '41
22:50	decimation	http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis/2013/07/25/dying-russias-birth-rate-is-now-higher-than-the-united-states/
22:50	assbot	'Dying' Russia's Birth Rate Is Now Higher Than The United States' - Forbes
22:50	asciilifeform	trauma makes people - and cultures - pathologically conservative
22:50	*	asciilifeform wonders how applies to china, ought to ask the folks in the know
22:51	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform which is why im such a fan of things like pussy riot
22:51	asciilifeform	decimation: with our without dar al islam ?
22:51	asciilifeform	*or
22:51	mircea_popescu	the best thing for moscow today is if the rich kids started taking the girls nude on leashes on novskiwhateveritscalled
22:51	decimation	good point. "white america" definitely has a negative birth rate
22:51	asciilifeform	decimation: because last i checked, the entire place converts to tajikistan in <100yrs.
22:52	decimation	what about tartarstan
22:53	decimation	I guess they are pretty close to the Turkic Tajiks
22:53	mircea_popescu	you know these liniar projections never work.
22:53	decimation	sons of Khan
22:53	mircea_popescu	people were derping about how romania will be 90% gypsy by 20something in 1990.
22:53	mircea_popescu	it... still hasn't happened. the oppressed minority is still an oppressed minority.
22:53	decimation	mircea: re pussy riot: but ultimately they are tools of the western bezzle machine
22:54	mircea_popescu	not so.
22:54	mircea_popescu	they're too stupid to be the tools of anything.
22:54	mircea_popescu	at any rate, the notion that sensuality and the puritan caging thereof as displayed by the us (and uk before that) are in any way related...
22:54	mircea_popescu	purest historical accident. i can understand why us-ians would believe it, because they love to believe themselves relevant
22:55	mircea_popescu	but otherwise... lol.
22:56	decimation	I agree that the notions of puritanical modesty are hilarious. I was born in an old school Lutheran hospital (now closed) - my birth certificate's seal shows a doctor pulling a baby out of a vagina
22:56	decimation	somehow this was okay in Christianity 100 years ago but not today
22:56	mircea_popescu	decimation not what i meant. what i means was, the proposition that somehow girls naked in the street are tools of the us bezzle. it's ludicrous.
22:57	mircea_popescu	for all you know they're the tools of mp's world domination plans.
22:57	decimation	but they parrot and derp about equality, femenism, etc
22:59	mircea_popescu	sure. but nobody cares what they say, the only attraction is their nudity.
22:59	mircea_popescu	maybe some derps somewhere HOPE that they may embed their message this way, much like radio advertisers hope paying for the radio makes you buy coca cola
22:59	mircea_popescu	but the thing still is what it is : nude chicks in a badly abused, utterly frigid, compulsively conservatory society.
22:59	mircea_popescu	balm.
23:01	decimation	so it would seem that putin is also sending a message about women by caging them
23:01	mircea_popescu	putin has the disadvantage of being actually stuck ruling the thing
23:01	mircea_popescu	he has to do all sorts of stupid shit.
23:02	mircea_popescu	or who knows, maybe he's personally dumb on the score i guess.
23:04	decimation	well, he certainly want to encourage fertility, and sending the message that it's okay for russian women to aspire to childless eat pray love isn't the way to get there
23:06	decimation	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjI0KYl9gWs
23:06	assbot	Pussy Riot - Putin will teach you how to love / - YouTube
23:08	decimation	skip to 2:05 to watch Cossacks beat them
23:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.06924233 = 0.7617 BTC [-]
23:11	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: my understanding - fellow with a contract on his head should perhaps sleep with rifle. the one without contract - with girl. whether 4kw fridge, bk0010, etc. is batshit - or genius - depends on which box russia sits in
23:12	mircea_popescu	so which kind am i ?
23:12	asciilifeform	ask mircea_popescu
23:12	mircea_popescu	ok, what kind are you ?
23:12	mircea_popescu	what kind is antonoderpulous ? does he have a contract on his head ? twitter says so.
23:12	asciilifeform	the kind who 'dies just once'
23:13	mircea_popescu	no but i mean, gimme something actionable as per the plan you laid out above.
23:13	asciilifeform	lol
23:13	BingoBoingo	Seems the solution is to have enough girls to sleep with girl while girl guards door with rifle
23:13	mircea_popescu	can't hurt.
23:14	asciilifeform	going back to russia/industry: according to 'hardcore' russian folks, the west deprived the nation of crucial natural resource - one still abundant in, e.g. china. of course they aren't talking about lanthanides, but... girls who will birth half a dozen kids and work in factory without toilet breaks
23:14	mircea_popescu	decimation got really hot an' bothered watching cussacks beat on lanky ukrainian teenagers, is nao off to molest wife
23:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 20 @ 0.04639999 = 0.928 BTC [+] {8}
23:14	*	asciilifeform lol just got back from molestation
23:14	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you'll have to explain this tro me so it makes sense
23:15	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform o, you're doing the same one ?! (know the joke ?)
23:15	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the two chaps with the toothbrush, aye
23:15	mircea_popescu	no.
23:15	asciilifeform	...?
23:15	mircea_popescu	pussy riot gets $1bn to study mating habits across europe.
23:15	mircea_popescu	for this purpose, they sequester one woman and two men for a week, then interview them,
23:16	mircea_popescu	the english : well... we were never introduced, so we just read the newspapers all week. it was fuckign boring.
23:17	mircea_popescu	the french : oh, Leo, Lea, Elie
23:17	mircea_popescu	(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhjVKOPUIcc if you don't klnow it)
23:17	asciilifeform	lol
23:18	mircea_popescu	the russians : omg this was awful. all night long they took turns fucking me in all the holes
23:18	mircea_popescu	and all day long they held syndicate meetings to criticise me for being a whore
23:19	mircea_popescu	wb.
23:19	mircea_popescu	that was... rapid ?
23:19	decimation	"decimation got really hot an' bothered watching cussacks beat on lanky ukrainian teenagers" << not really my cup of tea, but relevant
23:20	decimation	my stupid vpn dropped me like a hot potato, thought conversation was over
23:20	mircea_popescu	pretty cool how it worked out lol
23:20	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-madness-of-president-putin.html << herr orlov on pussyriot etc
23:20	assbot	ClubOrlov: The Madness of President Putin
23:21	decimation	the thing I don't understand ascii is that it's clear that russia has the brainpower to make alternatives
23:21	decimation	even without all-night slave labor sv startup style
23:21	asciilifeform	decimation: go build a MOSFET with... brainpower
23:22	asciilifeform	industrial civilization doesn't get birthed from coffee shop (as discussed in one of mp's essays?)
23:23	asciilifeform	try mine uranium, tantalum, with brainpower
23:23	asciilifeform	get 50 rail cars of synthesis-grade nitric acid with brain.
23:24	decimation	This goes back to the warez - they seem like the answer to all your short term problems, but in the long run just get you hooked on the infrastructure
23:24	decimation	all of those things do require lots of brain power
23:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.22697248 = 2.0428 BTC [+]
23:24	decimation	but they also require getting humans to actually do the work
23:25	decimation	and... capital
23:25	asciilifeform	and 100 yrs. of infrastructure.
23:26	asciilifeform	japan jumped the gap - why? because they had the 'natural resource'
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23:26	decimation	it's true that it's much easier to get nitric acid when the nitric acid factory has been pumping it out two states away for a few decades
23:26	asciilifeform	- that being, six generations of people willing to work into the grave for a cup of rice
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23:26	decimation	the us had something like that a few decades ago, still coasting on its output
23:26	asciilifeform	let's take the liberty of abusing thermodynamics term, and say this is 'fuel'
23:27	asciilifeform	whereas u.s. (or moscow today) 'office plankton' is... ground state.
23:27	asciilifeform	fuel that's been burned.
23:27	asciilifeform	u.s. running on fumes.
23:28	asciilifeform	e.g. i can get pcbs made here. it just costs 35x what it does in shanghai.
23:28	asciilifeform	because american factory gurlz want toilet breaks, health care!, etc
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23:28	decimation	When I was in Hawaii last week I thought about this w.r.t. Hawaii. They own one of the most strategic islands on earth
23:29	decimation	it could easily outsingapore singapore with its location. but it won't, because it is a combination of bezzle playground and indian reservation
23:30	asciilifeform	decimation: it's only strategic value is as 'unsinkable ship'
23:30	asciilifeform	otherwise it's a pisshole. (try finding an industrial vendor who will even ship there)
23:30	asciilifeform	if you could build a singapore there, that's another matter.
23:30	decimation	well, yes, today. but I would wager that if you exchanged the populations of hawaii and singapore, it wouldn't look that way for long
23:31	asciilifeform	aye
23:31	asciilifeform	not sure how long singapore will last as other than chinese colony after u.s. navy is unplugged
23:32	asciilifeform	ditto taiwan
23:33	decimation	on Maui there is a statue to Sun Yet-Sen in an obscure park: http://gohawaii.about.com/od/mauisights/ig/sun_yat_sen_park/
23:33	assbot	Sun Yat Sen Park, Upcountry Maui Photo Gallery
23:34	decimation	when visiting, I discovered that Sun Yat Sen went to the same school as... Obama
23:34	decimation	when the usians are trading golden yuan pieces in a few decades they will remember this bit of history
23:35	asciilifeform	decimation: the middle kingdom != la serenissima. they'll be buying rice with paper yuans.
23:36	mircea_popescu	http://mpex.co/?mpsic=D.BPAY <
23:36	assbot	D.BPAY last @0.00000000
23:36	mircea_popescu	that's basically how it's gonna look. welcoming questions as to the contract etc.
23:36	asciilifeform	neato
23:36	mircea_popescu	prolly starting to trade monday
23:37	asciilifeform	proving that one holds shares on fiat exchange might be energy-intensive
23:37	decimation	this is true. the amusing thing to me is that Obama rose with the new left under Maoism... and China today embraces (in action, not words) Chinese nationalism and rejects Mao
23:38	asciilifeform	(suddenly you're going over bezzlar paperwork with magnifying glass)
23:38	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform why'd that be required ?
23:38	asciilifeform	nm bad reading
23:39	*	asciilifeform dug in ancient engine amidst mosquito clouds, tired
23:40	decimation	I'm confused about who the counterparty is
23:40	decimation	I assume it's just you with your bitcoin bank right?
23:41	asciilifeform	mp has bank now?!
23:41	decimation	I'm using "bank" to mean "pile of bitcoin"
23:41	mircea_popescu	decimation actually im going to make a fund, so people can buy into it.
23:42	mircea_popescu	but otherwise, yes.
23:43	decimation	this is kind of a more open-ended version of your berkshire bet?
23:43	mircea_popescu	http://mpex.co/?mpsic=D.BTGO
23:43	assbot	D.BTGO last @0.00000000
23:43	mircea_popescu	idem. if anyone wants to see more and they meet the criteria, let me know.
23:43	mircea_popescu	decimation not really. berkshire is not a shitstup
23:44	decimation	what happens if bitpay dissolves as an entity before a b or c happen?
23:44	decimation	shares go to zero value?
23:44	mircea_popescu	pretty much
23:45	decimation	I guess they are tickets to a show that never happened
23:45	mircea_popescu	something like that yea
23:46	asciilifeform	'dead pool' ?
23:47	decimation	well, the seller of said tickets will be enriched ... :)
23:47	*	asciilifeform remembers 'fucked company'
23:48	decimation	still, to me it seems like you need to get a few of these to "fail" so you can build up a war chest as a credible counterparty
23:48	mircea_popescu	decimation why ?
23:49	Mats_cd03	how fucking ridiculous
23:49	asciilifeform	war chest is there, to everyone's satisfaction, i imagine
23:49	decimation	I like bitbet because it's extremely transparent that way
23:51	decimation	mats: what is rediculous?
23:52	mircea_popescu	;;ticker
23:52	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 604.34, Best ask: 605.46, Bid-ask spread: 1.12000, Last trade: 606.24, 24 hour volume: 5471.59645098, 24 hour low: 599.9, 24 hour high: 616.0, 24 hour vwap: 607.679332574
23:53	decimation	it's been racheting up slowly from 500
23:55	decimation	!down decimation
23:57	Mats_cd03	asks q then leaves while i type response

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