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00:40 moiety lol whats the poinbt
00:40 moiety point
00:41 moiety assange did an ama
00:41 moiety http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/28js8v/i_am_julian_assange_publisher_of_wikileaks_ask_me/ pretty good read
00:41 assbot I am Julian Assange, publisher of Wikileaks. Ask me anything. : IAmA
00:43 asciilifeform mentions of asking the poster to pgp/gpg...
00:43 asciilifeform 0.
00:43 asciilifeform (he could be you, me, hitler)
00:44 asciilifeform (is assange even associated with a key?)
00:47 asciilifeform decimation: aes hard disk << what actually happens inside the drive? how does one know? this is not a minor detail - it's the beginning and end.
00:49 moiety https://p10.secure.hostingprod.com/@spyblog.org.uk/ssl/wikileak/2011/09/why-didnt-julian-assange-use-pgp-properly-when-handing-over-cablescsv-file-to-da.html
00:49 assbot Why didn't Julian Assange use PGP properly when handing over the US State Department cables.csv file to David Leigh ?? - WikiLeak
00:54 asciilifeform lol at expecting anyone to have sympathy for the folks who lost their heads from cables.csv (assuming any)
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00:54 moiety asciilifeform: to do an ama, reddit requires proof ... i wonder what form this took for assange
00:56 asciilifeform in any country, there is - starting from local constabulary to the national gendarmerie - an archive, with list of stoolies, provocateurs, agents.
00:56 asciilifeform sometimes - rarely - mob gets the list.
00:56 asciilifeform heads roll. new regime, new list.
00:57 asciilifeform (usually heavily borrowed from old. in east germany, how many heads rolled? zero)
00:58 asciilifeform when turning stoolie - remember about the list.
00:58 asciilifeform '...the names of political dissidents who were in contact with the US Embassy' << 'world's smallest violin' plays.
01:00 asciilifeform reminds me of a convo i once had with a former american soldier (remains nameless)
01:01 asciilifeform him: 'those motherfuckers, can you believe, they shot my translator the first minute he was alone.'
01:02 asciilifeform me: 'say tomorrow chinese come. i learn chinese, become translator. i turn my back to you in dark alley. now what'
01:06 moiety what did he say?
01:10 BingoBoingo %book
01:10 atcbot 35k@250 52k@240 16k@235 | 750k@175 50k@161 216k@160
01:12 asciilifeform he didn't say much. possibly - understood.
01:13 asciilifeform 'More interestingly, many Americans no longer even understand the concepts of loyalty and treason—again, not surprising, since for a few generations now they have been ruled by traitors, whose routine acts of betrayal are designed to benefit just about anyone—from Israeli arms smugglers to Afghani heroin dealers—except the people who supposedly elect them to office.'
01:13 asciilifeform (orlov, of course. http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2010/07/us-swaps-russian-spies-for-russian.html)
01:13 assbot ClubOrlov
01:16 moiety they are very dedicated to fighting for their country but they don't seem to know truly why
01:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.21999976 = 1.32 BTC [+] {3}
01:40 danielpbarron 01:39:44 < Ex0deus> monetary incentive makes people do all the wrong things
01:47 punkman http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/NSA-wharpdrive-slide-640x473.jpg
01:49 asciilifeform punkman: old.
01:51 asciilifeform punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2014#723622 - discussion below
01:51 assbot #bitcoin-assets log
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02:12 punkman asciilifeform: I liked that slide
02:12 punkman http://www.andrewcusack.com/2011/02/14/mamarazza/
02:12 assbot Mamarazza | andrewcusack.com
02:23 BingoBoingo !jd mpif
02:23 assbot Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 171.88204254 BTC; +0.03342066 BTC (+0.0194%) since last check 7h 40m 44s ago.
02:24 BingoBoingo !mpif
02:24 assbot BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021706 BTC (Total: 434.14 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021726 BTC [+]
02:24 BingoBoingo !jd
02:24 assbot Just-Dice stat: 18936 BTC profit, 51.7k BTC invested, 1260.27 mio bets, 5.31 mio BTC wagered
02:35 BingoBoingo Delusionist >> http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/were-telling-england-theres-a-chance/
02:35 assbot We’re Telling England There’s a Chance! | FiveThirtyEight
02:40 moiety someone just told me the scottish accent was their favourite english accent -_-
02:41 BingoBoingo Did you correct them...
02:41 moiety i said that's like me saying the american accent is my favourite canadian accent
02:42 moiety apparently they meant english language and just said it wrong....
02:42 BingoBoingo No, it's like saying the Boston accent is your favorite Southern drawl
02:42 BingoBoingo http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/10909671/Scientists-find-Achilles-heel-of-antibiotic-resistant-bacteria.html
02:42 assbot Scientists find Achilles' heel of antibiotic resistant bacteria - Telegraph
02:42 BingoBoingo Which organism mentioned does not belong...
02:42 moiety at least they are both in the same country
02:43 BingoBoingo kakobrekla: We're in trouble http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/06/20/0038251/draper-labs-develops-low-cost-probe-to-orbit-land-on-europa-for-nasa
02:43 assbot Draper Labs Develops Low Cost Probe To Orbit, Land On Europa For NASA - Slashdot
02:43 BingoBoingo moiety: They don't want to be though
02:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.0689999 = 0.966 BTC [+]
02:48 BingoBoingo !Whysofewtrades
02:50 * BingoBoingo remembers the days assbot was ignored as spamzor #1
02:52 punkman I'm surprised nothing more plausible than bitcoinbourse has come up yet
02:54 BingoBoingo It's sad to have to say this, but as bad as it is Cryptostocks seems more plausible than bitcoinbourse
02:54 punkman not many hitpoints left there
02:55 BingoBoingo Well neither venture has many. The question is, which snail is the fastest.
02:56 BingoBoingo Well, that was maybe two months ago. Now the question is "Which aquatic snail is the fastest on the Utah salt flats"
03:00 punkman the omgdecentralized exchanges are keeping all the great minds occupied
03:08 BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: Heretic coin seems dead https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=459028.msg6551501#msg6551501
03:08 assbot [ANN][ALT][Altcoin][scrypt Adaptive N-factor][Random][Fair Launch][No ASIC]
03:12 fluffypony you have to feed them news regularly
03:12 fluffypony otherwise the natives get restless
03:12 BingoBoingo Speaking of Cryptostocks https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=431195.msg7142898#msg7142898
03:12 assbot Diamond Circle - Information memorandum - Ticker 'XDC' - Cryptostocks.com
03:17 punkman "NO ANNOUNCEMENT OF THIS DUMP OR ANYTHING?"
03:29 BingoBoingo punkman1: These fucking aussies who strike out on their own are a form of the worst.
03:31 BingoBoingo punkman: Also is this dude even talking about BTC here or his own invention he bestowed an already occupied name upon https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=431195.msg5374007#msg5374007
03:31 assbot Diamond Circle - Information memorandum - Ticker 'XDC' - Cryptostocks.com
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03:50 BingoBoingo http://gawker.com/cookies-loaded-with-50-000-worth-of-cocaine-seized-at-1593545929
03:50 assbot Cookies Loaded with $52,000 Worth of Cocaine Seized at Newark Airport
03:59 BingoBoingo http://valleywag.gawker.com/real-startup-that-mails-you-quarters-for-laundry-isnt-s-1593540845/+laceydonohue
03:59 assbot Real Startup That Mails You Quarters for Laundry Isn't Seeking Funding
03:59 cazalla BingoBoingo: didn't you know that the biggest Australian export after resources are bitcoin scams? (inputs.io, hair dresser ipos, kenilworth and on it goes)
04:00 Apocalyptic heh
04:00 BingoBoingo cazalla: I thought it was sand...
04:00 Apocalyptic will be counted into GDP no doubt
04:03 BingoBoingo This is basically CoinBase http://washboard.co/
04:03 assbot Washboard
04:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15886 @ 0.00080343 = 12.7633 BTC [-]
04:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00080276 = 11.3189 BTC [-]
04:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.21209405 = 0.8484 BTC [-] {3}
04:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.20690622 = 4.5519 BTC [-] {3}
04:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 29 @ 0.20575862 = 5.967 BTC [-] {2}
04:31 moiety !up Vexual please get in the wot, i'll help you
04:32 Vexual I'll be less fun if everything I write is signed
04:36 Vexual and jurov might want the key when I sell my soul to him
04:38 Apocalyptic <Vexual> I'll be less fun if everything I write is signed // you seem to have a misconception here
04:38 Vexual hows that?
04:40 Apocalyptic having a WoT account doesn't mean everything you write is signed
04:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.205 = 0.615 BTC [-]
04:42 Vexual no thats true
04:45 Vexual afaik no such irc client is in the public domain
04:45 fluffypony so with my flight to Estonia on Monday I have normal business class baggage limits - 32kg x2 checked, 8kg x2 hand luggage - but my local flight from here to Joburg has a 20kg *total* baggage limit
04:46 * fluffypony is going to get shafted with excess baggage fees
04:46 fluffypony R25/kg ($2.33-ish)
04:47 Vexual are they hard arse about it?
04:48 fluffypony just phoned them - they'll increase my free limit to 30kgs
04:49 fluffypony such kindness.
04:50 Vexual just put all the gold in your hand luggage and think light thoughts
04:50 fluffypony lol
04:51 xmj fluffypony: when are you boarding?
04:51 fluffypony xmj: Monday night
04:51 xmj right
04:51 xmj :)
04:51 xmj fluffypony: i haven't found the tailor yet. been busy all week
04:52 fluffypony no problem - we can always go hunting
04:52 fluffypony I land at 1:30pm on Tue
04:52 xmj right
04:52 fluffypony so we can go hunting in the afternoon
04:52 xmj give me a call once you land
04:52 fluffypony will do
04:53 Vexual what does one hunt in estonia?
04:54 fluffypony Vexual: tailors
04:54 fluffypony for excellent Eastern European suits
04:55 Vexual but where do you get the tweed?
04:55 fluffypony it grows naturally in the tweed fields of Southern Estonia
04:55 Vexual oh
04:56 xmj see, he already knows more about the country i live in than i do.
04:56 xmj fluffypony: you're flying from frankfurt with lufthansa
04:56 fluffypony yes
04:57 xmj do yourself a favor and have fun with the stewardesses.
04:57 fluffypony lol
04:57 xmj they're usually really cool
04:57 fluffypony will do
04:57 Apocalyptic <fluffypony> for excellent Eastern European suits // curious, I never heard anyone praise EE suits before
04:57 xmj whenever i fly fra<>tll i choose one of the last rows, and by the time they're done serving people hang out in the back and chat with them.
04:57 xmj just for the lulz.
04:58 Apocalyptic Milanese tailors often are
04:58 xmj Apocalyptic: mainstream!
04:58 Apocalyptic hardly
04:58 Vexual too much ball touching
04:58 xmj Apocalyptic: average salary level in estonia is 800EUR.
04:58 xmj so you'll be able to find a real decent tailor for less than you'd spend in other places.
04:59 Apocalyptic that I can agree with
05:01 pankkake !up Vexual
05:01 xmj Apocalyptic: economics 101:D
05:02 Apocalyptic xmj, when I go for excellent i don't look at the price
05:03 xmj ya
05:03 xmj i work in IT, tshirts are permissible work clothes.
05:03 xmj tshirts and shorts in summer ;)
05:06 pankkake I wouldn't trust someone in IT with a suit
05:06 Apocalyptic as you wouldn't trust someone in finance dressed in a tshirt supposedly
05:07 pankkake I wouldn't trust anyone in finance!
05:08 moiety lol
05:09 Vexual web of no!
05:15 Vexual real IT people don't leave the house
05:15 fluffypony lol
05:23 Vexual 150Kpa and get dressed? too much pressure
05:26 Vexual it's all about bitcoins per square inch now
05:30 Vexual anyone know about the gpg multi irc client?
05:32 moiety !up Vexual
05:33 moiety no, here you just register with gribble, its really straight forward
05:34 Vexual yes im talking of something else entirely
05:34 BingoBoingo %book
05:34 atcbot 35k@250 52k@240 16k@235 | 750k@175 50k@161 216k@160
05:35 Vexual %diff
05:35 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 432963.19 in 457 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -39.48
05:36 Vexual whats that about a month?
05:36 BingoBoingo Maybe? Maybe less?
05:37 Vexual ;;calc 457*1/24
05:37 gribble 19.0416666667
05:37 BingoBoingo I have to say it looks like bid depth is back in fashion
05:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10393 @ 0.00080343 = 8.35 BTC [+]
05:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.068 = 1.088 BTC [-] {3}
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06:03 moiety !up Vexual
06:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.06682465 = 0.6014 BTC [-] {5}
06:05 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
06:05 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 585.64, vol: 6505.86423318 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 585.996, vol: 5448.09482 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 586.0, vol: 7981.63740987 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 589.99, vol: 48.0889131 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 595.257585, vol: 2221.48030000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 589.18043, vol: 8.21155122 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 577.943901, vol: 59.93883116 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
06:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.06570882 = 1.5113 BTC [-] {4}
06:13 BingoBoingo http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/06/flying-robocop-is-a-riot-control-octocopter-with-guns-and-lasers/
06:13 assbot Flying RoboCop is a riot control octocopter with guns and lasers | Ars Technica
06:14 Vexual ;;lasers
06:14 gribble ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
06:14 moiety ;; laserkittens
06:14 gribble ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*
06:14 Vexual wtf
06:14 moiety we need manuls with lasers!
06:16 moiety http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-27903742
06:16 assbot BBC News - The macabre world of books bound in human skin
06:25 Vexual sup nubules?
06:25 Vexual nubbins`
06:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.06361 = 1.9083 BTC [-]
06:31 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQjJkLU9Ojo
06:31 assbot 04. Wiley - Straight Outta London [Creating A Buzz Vol. 1] - YouTube
06:36 moiety sorry my internet had a stroke
06:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00080111 = 18.8261 BTC [-] {3}
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07:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.19516873 = 5.8551 BTC [-] {8}
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08:07 penguirker New blog post: http://bitcoinism.liberty.me/2014/06/20/cash-and-credit-in-a-cryptocurrency-economy-part-1/
08:07 kakobrekla >I just uncovered a problem. I'm using the API to trade. I'm generating orders, and they are accepted by Bitfinex, but thats the extent of it. I have an orderid, time stamp, and the response says the trade is active. They don't get processed, and the history doesn't get updated. I've sent an email to support, but was just wondering if anyone else has seen anything strange like this. Seems to have start after 4:30 this afternoon. Th
08:07 kakobrekla last time a trade was written to my history.
08:07 kakobrekla ftw.
08:08 kakobrekla gox qualitat.
08:20 los_pantalones kakobrekla i'm submitting orders via api
08:20 los_pantalones and they are working fine
08:20 kakobrekla its a quote from the forums
08:20 kakobrekla im not using that piece of shit.
08:20 los_pantalones oh shit, i'm a jackass, sorry
08:21 kakobrekla no worries
08:22 los_pantalones http://washboard.co/
08:22 assbot Washboard
08:22 los_pantalones signed you up for that
08:22 los_pantalones as a mea culpa
08:22 los_pantalones yw
08:24 kakobrekla what is this some bitcoin mixer
08:24 los_pantalones no, you pay $15/mo for $10 in quarters
08:24 los_pantalones delivered to your door
08:24 los_pantalones jenius
08:25 kakobrekla i dun get it
08:25 BingoBoingo It's exactly like COinbase!!!
08:26 * kakobrekla is prolly retarded
08:26 los_pantalones nothing to get, it's retarded
08:26 los_pantalones twas but a poor joke
08:27 BingoBoingo Washboard is a startup whose business is you send them money, and they return to you less money!
08:27 los_pantalones in physical form
08:27 BingoBoingo An Honest Startup!
08:28 los_pantalones to be fair, the people in the photos look really happy
08:28 kakobrekla ahh! but i just need new underpants.
08:29 pankkake I hate dealing with small monies, I usually leave the change - I don't mind paying "more"
08:29 pankkake well this service does the reverse
08:35 BingoBoingo Eh, the ATF is probably going to go after them when one of their customers fills a sock with their quarters and uses the product as a weapon.
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09:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 85 @ 0.01805932 = 1.535 BTC [-] {12}
09:18 pankkake !t h am1
09:18 assbot [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.19420000 / 0.21482589 / 0.22599900 (208 shares, 44.68378540 BTC), 7D: 0.18410000 / 0.21502034 / 0.25983989 (1039 shares, 223.40612862 BTC), 30D: 0.11000000 / 0.25820242 / 0.50990000 (5201 shares, 1342.91079699 BTC)
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10:03 BingoBoingo %ticker
10:03 atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 175 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 58k High: 235 Low: 200 VWAP: 200
10:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15771 @ 0.0008015 = 12.6405 BTC [+] {2}
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10:38 Mats_cd03 https://soundcloud.com/lolomusic/lolo-hit-and-run
10:38 assbot LOLO - Hit and Run by LOLOmusic on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds
10:45 mike_c decimation:if you total the amount of money spent on microsoft over the years, USG could have built its own secure OS and secure hardware to run it on << on the other hand, they couldn't even build a fucking website with hundreds of millions of dollars.
10:56 Mats_cd03 usfg lubed up the wheels and now healthcare.gov works p good
10:57 Mats_cd03 prob compromised already, but hey...
11:01 bitcoinpete oh barry… https://twitter.com/barrysilbert/status/479997654748110848
11:01 assbot ./SecondMarket and /BitcoinTrust now accepting orders for syndicate in US Marshals bitcoin auction. Details/access: https://t.co/VFK7XiRUZH
11:08 Mats_cd03 https://soundcloud.com/dorothy-the-band/dorothy-after-midnight
11:08 assbot DOROTHY - After Midnight by Dorothy & The Band on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds
11:08 FabianB !mpif
11:08 assbot BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021711 BTC (Total: 434.24 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021726 BTC [+]
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11:33 bitcoinpete https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/478774105475665920
11:34 assbot When people call you intelligent it is because they agree with you. Otherwise they just call you arrogant.
11:46 bitcoinpete https://twitter.com/coindesk/status/480013042265391107 << coindeskin'
11:47 assbot Mt. Gox Victims Angered by Mark Karpeles' Twitter Return http://t.co/Xly4qIdh5M
11:47 bitcoinpete http://www.cwjobs.co.uk/JobSearch/Results.aspx?Keywords=bitcoin << bitcoin/java dev jobs
11:47 assbot CWJobs.co.uk
11:48 bitcoinpete £80,000 per annum wouldn't be shabby if you didn't have to live in the city
11:50 mike_c heh, the replies to all of karpeles recent tweets are great. what did he think was going to happen?
11:58 bitcoinpete karps was probably just feeling lonely
11:59 bitcoinpete that's what social media is mostly for
11:59 bitcoinpete getting feedback
11:59 davout the best for karpy would be the french "légion étrangère"
11:59 davout new identity, free workouts
11:59 bitcoinpete lol
12:00 bitcoinpete he can afford the workouts
12:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.74984813 BTC to 9`369 shares, 18677 satoshi per share
12:05 pankkake I think he's a piñata, but with bitcoins inside his body
12:05 davout pankkake: you mean he shouls be hung somewhere ?
12:05 davout *should
12:07 pankkake why not.
12:07 pankkake who is this new member of the cult of mpex? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=658661.msg7412826#msg7412826
12:07 assbot Which stock securities do you recommend ?
12:09 bitcoinpete ya, mpex has the fakiest volume around
12:09 kakobrekla !t m s.bbet
12:09 assbot [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.0005 / 0.0005 / 0.0005 (281 shares, 0.14 BTC), 7D: 0.0005 / 0.0005 / 0.0005 (2000 shares, 1.00 BTC), 30D: 0.00047 / 0.00048574 / 0.000525 (8628 shares, 4.19 BTC)
12:09 kakobrekla yea, real volume is over 9000 fyi
12:09 bitcoinpete i mean, how could anyone have so many bitcoins?
12:10 mike_c plus he got it wrong. it's MPEx, not MPex.
12:10 bitcoinpete "^^MPex --> fake volume, site operator is dishonest and in SEC's crosshairs. Would avoid."
12:10 mike_c btw, free money alert. mpif ask below nav.
12:10 mike_c !mpif
12:11 assbot BtcAlpha.com: Failed to get JD stats
12:11 bitcoinpete it's not mircea pexchange?
12:11 mike_c aww. i blame JD
12:11 pankkake mike_c: well, that's jurov work
12:11 pankkake job*
12:11 kakobrekla !mpif
12:11 assbot BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021732 BTC (Total: 434.65 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021726 BTC [+]
12:12 kakobrekla sometimes its fast sometimes it dosent happen at all
12:12 pankkake I never followed bitfunder, but I wonder how it ended up as such a fractional reserve
12:12 thestringpuller NAV is going above last trade, very nice
12:12 thestringpuller very nice indeed!
12:12 pankkake while I don't believe btctctc faked volumes
12:14 mike_c kakobrekla: but that error handling! kudos to us :)
12:14 kakobrekla ;)
12:20 fluffypony pankkake: railzand is cool, I know he reads logs
12:20 fluffypony not sure if he ever hangs around here
12:20 fluffypony but he's pinged me with stuff from time to time
12:20 pankkake railzand, why not in the WoT, mate?
12:22 fluffypony lol
12:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 260 @ 0.01992805 = 5.1813 BTC [+] {4}
12:26 ThickAsThieves http://www.theverge.com/2014/6/19/5826158/college-athletic-scholarships-for-league-of-legends-players
12:26 assbot US college offers athletic scholarships to 'League of Legends' players | The Verge
12:27 pankkake nice. well starcraft would be better
12:29 danielpbarron Dota would be better still
12:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 32 @ 0.0186 = 0.5952 BTC [+] {2}
12:33 pankkake http://www.gamification.co/2012/12/04/schools-using-starcraft-2-as-education-tools/
12:33 assbot Schools Are Using Starcraft 2 as Serious Education Tools | Gamification Co
12:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 32 @ 0.06361007 = 2.0355 BTC [-] {2}
12:41 ThickAsThieves <+mike_c> you add a bunch of A records in the DNS for active nodes. i'll let you know.// ah, i assumed i needed to place some sort of text file at the domain to get picked up, but i am somewhat comfortable with DNS so I can do that too if needed
12:41 mike_c ok. i would like for some eager dev to port bitcoin-seeder, but nobody has volunteered yet.
12:42 mike_c so maybe we just do it manually for now.
12:42 ThickAsThieves <+bitcoinpete> "your use of vocab is the least impressive and your facts are skewed only to meet your own objectives." /// Stop being mean to Litecoin! (I just proposed a new bet that Dark(coin) will defeat Lite(coin) :)
12:42 ThickAsThieves <+fluffypony> I already linked to the github repo for it /// i'm not sure what that means, tell me what to do!
12:43 benkay good morning, assettes!
12:45 mod6 %d
12:45 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 429352.57 in 441 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -39.98
12:50 FabianB $depth f.mpif
12:50 empyex FabianB: [F.MPIF] Bids: 556 @ 0.00021733 100 @ 0.00021711 100 @ 0.00021710 100 @ 0.00021708
12:50 empyex FabianB: [F.MPIF] Asks: 10000 @ 0.00023850 56 @ 0.00023900 1000 @ 0.00024000 100000 @ 0.00029000
12:52 BingoBoingo %book
12:52 atcbot 35k@250 52k@240 16k@235 | 750k@175 50k@161 216k@160
12:54 BingoBoingo http://gawker.com/yo-the-worlds-dumbest-app-hacked-by-three-college-stu-1593737429
12:54 assbot Yo, the World's Dumbest App, Hacked by Three College Students
12:54 ThickAsThieves holy netsplits
12:55 moiety hello
12:58 kakobrekla so tell me people, i need to make some api with signcryption model. should i go with sodium (ed25519), or just use pgp or something else? Curve25519 wont do (no signatures).
12:58 mike_c just roll your own. new standard.
12:58 davout kakobrekla: sodium sounds quite new
12:59 kakobrekla does it?
12:59 davout march 2013
12:59 pankkake do you have size constraints?
12:59 davout the hot chicks do
13:00 kakobrekla with the message size? not really but shorter is generally better (but not for sake of security)
13:01 mike_c ugh. shame on your family.
13:01 mike_c http://www.bitcoin-otc.com/abcd
13:01 assbot www.bitcoin-otc.com | 404 - Page Cannot Be Found
13:01 pankkake gpg can do ecdsa, though it's not accessible by default
13:01 davout pankkake: that's gpg2 only iirc
13:02 pankkake using gpg gives you the option of multiple schemes
13:02 pankkake people still use gpg1?
13:02 ThickAsThieves <+punkman> last 3 Yes bets on bastille bet are losers ///i look forward to those bettors finding their way here to complain
13:04 pankkake http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/openpgp/current/msg07187.html
13:04 assbot Re: [openpgp] Curve3617 in OpenPGP? Beyond rfc6637.
13:04 davout kakobrekla: one advantage i'd see with gpg is that it would be easier for humans to use it manually
13:05 kakobrekla its not meant for manual
13:05 kakobrekla if its api
13:05 davout well, it doesn't hurt that it's easily testable by humans, just sayin
13:05 punkman ThickAsThieves: related: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2014#723553
13:05 assbot #bitcoin-assets log
13:06 kakobrekla yes but 99.99% of the time its used by machines, so lets optimize for that.
13:06 davout pankkake: i have 1.4.13, doesn't seem to have any ECC enabled
13:06 pankkake with gpg2 you have to enable expert mode
13:07 * kakobrekla googles
13:08 davout kakobrekla: "yes but 99.99% of the time its used by machines, so lets optimize for that." <<< if you follow this logic, all APIs would be better off using some binary protocol instead of JSON :D
13:09 kakobrekla i will do base64 encode of the json, motherfucker.
13:09 davout your face is base64 encoded
13:09 kakobrekla only in the morning.
13:10 davout for storage ?
13:10 BingoBoingo Just use RSA and base 69 it
13:11 FabianB why not bson?
13:11 BingoBoingo 1MB keylength, because storage is cheap
13:11 kakobrekla why not a lion or a hippo then!
13:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 30 @ 0.02069181 = 0.6208 BTC [+] {3}
13:17 FabianB or Smile
13:18 benkay Diablo-D3: i'm eating biscuits and gravy and it's the best thing ever
13:18 BingoBoingo Why not. Seed the PRNG with randomized hippo matter.
13:18 BingoBoingo benkay: I'm just chewing on some raw wheat like god intended.
13:19 davout "i'm just eating an apple like god intended"
13:20 benkay !up Diablo-D3
13:20 benkay i'm interacting with the system gpg binary like god intended
13:21 pankkake apples are ok, unlike the horrible things mentionned
13:21 ThickAsThieves "Update your client, HARD FORK! Friday we will begin paying MasterNodes - Latest Client Stable: 9.10.1 and RC3 with Darksend is 10.10.1 - See downloads!" ~ Darkcoin developer
13:21 ThickAsThieves conveniently occurring just as the price topped
13:22 pankkake is this the closed source altcoin that just repackages CoinJoin?
13:22 fluffypony ThickAsThieves please let's refer to it by its proper name: Darkcon.
13:22 fluffypony I'll be over here in the Monero corner giggling evilly
13:22 ThickAsThieves all i know is day trading it has been much profitable
13:23 ThickAsThieves monero is rocketing too
13:23 ThickAsThieves how do you even buy it?
13:23 BingoBoingo fluffypony: Isn't monero the same bullshit since it isn't Altcoin, the only worthwhile altcoin
13:24 fluffypony BingoBoingo: it's not forked from Bitcoin, so that already makes for a change
13:24 fluffypony ThickAsThieves: Poloniex has the most volume
13:24 fluffypony but when XMR is rocketing then often Bittrex is slow to catch up
13:24 BingoBoingo fluffypony: Forked from BBQcoin?
13:24 fluffypony BingoBoingo: doesn't even use the Bitcoin protocol
13:25 fluffypony no GUI, CLI only
13:25 fluffypony based on this: https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf
13:25 fluffypony and the reference implementation thereof
13:26 BingoBoingo fluffypony: So you descriminate against most derps then, reddit will nevar let you hear the end of it.
13:26 fluffypony BingoBoingo: exactly
13:27 pankkake also wallet and node are separate processes
13:27 fluffypony yes
13:27 pankkake you can run multiple wallets on the same node etc.
13:27 fluffypony and atm we're working on properly daemonising bitmonerod, because it only runs in interactive mode
13:28 fluffypony and splitting simplewallet into rpcwallet (daemonised) and simplewallet (interactive CLI)
13:28 fluffypony oh and it has a 24-word deterministic seed (based on Electrum's wordlist)
13:29 fluffypony so that will make usagi-level fuck ups less likely
13:29 benkay this one cpu one vote thing is pretty bs
13:29 fluffypony benkay: ignore that part - the PoW is up for discussion anyway
13:29 fluffypony but
13:30 fluffypony it has DEFINITELY lowered the gap between CPU and GPU miners
13:30 kakobrekla IGNORE THE PARTS THAT DONT WORK
13:30 kakobrekla my new mantra.
13:30 fluffypony kakobrekla: of the whitepaper...
13:30 kakobrekla well im keepin it nao
13:30 pankkake but as always, the useful/working things could just be ported to Bitcoin
13:31 fluffypony pankkake: ring signatures would be INCREDIBLY kludgy in Bitcoin
13:31 pankkake why?
13:31 benkay anonymity is also a red herring
13:31 fluffypony gmaxwell has a test implementation of it, but judging by his comments in #monero-dev he doesn't like its fit with BTC much
13:31 fluffypony benkay: in what sense?
13:32 fluffypony try a transaction, look at it on the blockchain explorer, and then see what useful info you can derive at a mixin of 0
13:33 Bet placed: 1.5 BTC for Yes on "Costa Rica will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/921/ Odds: 72(Y):28(N) by coin, 56(Y):44(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.655 BTC. Current weight: 36,106.
13:34 benkay wow integer btc hitting the wc bets
13:34 benkay fluffypony: it's not a use case for the vast majority of users, and for those who actually care solutions already exist.
13:36 fluffypony that's only true *right now*
13:37 benkay lol what are the solutions going to disappear?
13:38 fluffypony what are the solutions? coinjoin? mixers? stealth addresses? hoping that the recipient never leaks the tx id?
13:40 benkay buying coins offline.
13:40 benkay sending them to fresh addresses.
13:41 benkay broadcasting txns like a boss
13:41 benkay (that is to say quietly).
13:41 assbot Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2HPF4FW.txt )
13:41 BingoBoingo !b 5
13:42 benkay i tell you man, red herring.
13:42 penguirker New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/06/20/not-going-to-happen/
13:42 fluffypony and then when you buy your illegal drugs or your very legal banned-thing-in-the-country-in-which-you-live you send it TO someone from those fresh addresses, and they can figure out who you bought it from
13:42 fluffypony I would hazard that buying offline is even more dangerous than OTC on IRC
13:43 BingoBoingo What, you don't use BitBet mixing?
13:43 benkay who can figure out who i bought what from now?
13:43 fluffypony benkay: when you are "buying coins offline" you're buying them FROM someone, no?
13:44 benkay de veras
13:44 fluffypony some fucktard from localbitcoins or mycelium or whatever
13:44 benkay otc counts as offline imho
13:44 fluffypony either way
13:44 fluffypony that exposes you
13:44 benkay how again?
13:44 benkay and to whom?
13:45 fluffypony gubmint suspects you are dealing in illicit books, so they setup a sting to sell you BTC - they are now able to watch you spend those coins on said illegal books
13:45 fluffypony because they are the ones selling to you
13:45 benkay dafuq
13:45 benkay so...assume they've suborned one of my regular coin sources?
13:46 benkay you have this whole story concocted that you're not sharing, man.
13:46 fluffypony no story - I'm arguing that a use case will exist for untraceability (or optional traceability, if you will) in future
13:47 benkay and i'm telling you i can buy coins untraceably right now.
13:47 benkay unless my source is suborned.
13:47 benkay in which case, even monero's SOL.
13:48 fluffypony not entirely
13:48 fluffypony the Monero blockchain won't reveal your balance, when you spend, how much you spend, or on what
13:49 benkay and all the btc blockchain shows is that some random addr got some coins at some point
13:49 benkay and then that those coins went to a known drug dealer at another point
13:49 benkay if the shipment gets intercepted on the way back to me, monero's not going to save my ass
13:49 benkay you're not actually doing the attack surface analysis man
13:50 fluffypony drugs are not the only use case
13:50 benkay thing-im-not-supposed-to-have-#42
13:50 fluffypony but you've just explained the problem in your example
13:51 fluffypony if you're being targeted by "them" then they know "some random adde"
13:51 fluffypony addr
13:51 benkay how?
13:51 fluffypony aforementioned sting operation
13:51 benkay suborned my dealer, you're saying.
13:51 fluffypony yes
13:51 benkay the coin salesman
13:51 fluffypony and then you said that Monero was SOL
13:51 fluffypony and I said it wasn't and explained why
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13:52 fluffypony and then you launched forth into a circuitous argument
13:52 benkay so the dealer can't say i sent coins to that address with monero?
13:52 pankkake also the idea here is that by default everything you do is hard to track
13:52 fluffypony he can say all he want
13:52 fluffypony he can't demonstrate you did
13:52 fluffypony the blockchain won't reveal you did
13:52 benkay that i did what now? sent coins to my drug dealer?
13:52 fluffypony yes
13:52 benkay k - but what about the package interception?
13:53 benkay the posession of illicit goods is what enforcement cares about, right?
13:53 fluffypony depends - if you're talking about drugs, sure
13:53 fluffypony stolen goods? they just care that you bought it
13:53 fluffypony what about digital goods?
13:54 benkay digital goods being stolen coins?
13:54 fluffypony no - I mean if you're buying digital goods
13:54 fluffypony iTunes vouchers, for instance :-P
13:55 benkay but illegal iTunes that i'm not supposed to have?
13:55 fluffypony yes
13:55 fluffypony so assuming that the delivery of the goods is not compromised
13:56 benkay okay so the story is that i get busted for buying badTunes credits because i sent coins to the badTunes address?
13:56 asciilifeform they... suborn your cook. who poisons you. blockchain - didn't help! cry?
13:56 benkay yeah srs asciilifeform
13:57 fluffypony well we'll see, I think time will tell whether untraceability is a desirous thing
13:57 benkay i'm telling you that it's adequately doable right now that the sidechannels are the real risk, and that no amount of blockchainery is going to ameliorate your sidechannel risks.
13:58 benkay can someone who's not a retarded american tell me if i'm off my fucking rocker?
13:58 benkay retarded american child
13:58 benkay (i'm not calling you names, fluffypony - that's me ridiculing myself)
13:59 fluffypony I know you weren't, I'd have been surprised if you thought I was American :-P
13:59 benkay i'm a wee bit more observant than that. but you know, ambiguity and IRC.
13:59 fluffypony "YOU DIDN'T PUT A SMILEY ON IT, YOU MUST BE SAYING SOMETHING MEAN"
14:00 benkay ugh internet people
14:00 benkay anyways
14:00 danielpbarron how can law enforcement be sure it's you who spent the coins if you simply send them to an intermediate address first
14:00 benkay (biscuit coma)
14:00 fluffypony danielpbarron: taint analysis - it's the reason that coinjoin and mixing isn't considered safe
14:01 benkay danielpbarron: or for that matter if the addr in question's never been seen on the network, and you're not idiotic enough to associate it with any IP that could be associated with you.
14:01 benkay ugh taint
14:01 benkay *ragequit*
14:01 danielpbarron there is no taint in Bitcoin
14:01 fluffypony http://www.scribd.com/doc/227369807/Bitcoin-Coinjoin-Not-Anonymous-v01
14:01 assbot Bitcoin Coinjoin Not Anonymous v01
14:01 fluffypony that would be a start
14:02 danielpbarron if i send funds to an address, you cannot be sure its my address; maybe i gave them away to a random address
14:03 * fluffypony shrugs
14:03 fluffypony nobody's forcing anyone to find Monero interesting
14:03 fluffypony if you like maths and cryptography you may find our ongoing peer review of the CryptoNote whitepaper interesting
14:03 fluffypony http://monero.cc/downloads/whitepaper_annotated.pdf
14:03 danielpbarron if you pay your drug dealer from your coinbase wallet, that can be traced
14:04 fluffypony I've gotta bounce, at a friend's house and we're going to go eat and drink
14:05 danielpbarron and i suppose if you send from a machine that is associated with you, that could be traced
14:05 danielpbarron but i don't see how the blockchain reveals any info that definitively associates the funds with you
14:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00080393 = 7.3158 BTC [+] {2}
14:21 penguirker New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/knc-neptune-delivered-hashing/
14:31 kakobrekla ;;bc,diff
14:31 gribble Error: "bc,diff" is not a valid command.
14:31 kakobrekla i forgot.
14:31 mike_c ;;bc,stats
14:31 gribble Current Blocks: 306867 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 1580 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 18 hours, 40 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 15544170485.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 15.46205
14:31 kakobrekla its been so long since i used that cmd.
14:32 mike_c BingoBoingo: cancel the celebration party.
14:46 mircea_popescu ola!
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15:03 mircea_popescu Mats_cd03: much shame upon family << srs.
15:05 moiety hello :] how are you mircea_popescu?
15:06 mircea_popescu pretty great.
15:10 mircea_popescu how about you ?
15:12 moiety very well, been snowed under but getting through everything :]
15:14 mircea_popescu ah, snow... i remember this snow thing
15:14 asciilifeform the circus performs: http://blog.cari.net/carisirt-yet-another-bmc-vulnerability-and-some-added-extras
15:14 assbot CARISIRT: Yet Another BMC Vulnerability (And some added extras) | CARI.net Blog
15:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: (intel never once in its entire life published anything but a mockery of 'open source.' see their 'open' bios, for example.) << sadly. which is why everyone's on amd, really.
15:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform lol
15:15 asciilifeform everyone's on amd << thought it was just me.
15:15 asciilifeform lol
15:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i've not bought anything intel the past 20ish years.
15:16 mircea_popescu roughly since the disatrous p1 math accelerator.
15:17 * asciilifeform even now running amd hardware ('tyan' circa 2007) largely because amd mobos with ecc support and multiple pcie-16 slots have vanished into some mysterious black hole.
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15:17 moiety i'm still running intel celery because my laptop broke so back to an old one. it's dire!
15:18 ThickAsThieves the redskins are very lucky actually
15:18 ThickAsThieves the gov gave them an easy revival, rename, rebrand, cool new name and jerseys and fans
15:18 ThickAsThieves other than the expense of the change, i bet it works out well
15:19 * asciilifeform utterly bewildered that 'serious' people are willing to use non-ecc ram.
15:19 ThickAsThieves The Chicago Blackhawks declined to comment about the Washington Redskins' loss of trademark protection Wednesday
15:19 ThickAsThieves hehe
15:20 mircea_popescu they;re somehow in danger too ?!
15:20 ThickAsThieves of course
15:20 mircea_popescu why ?
15:20 ThickAsThieves soon we wont be allowed to say indian
15:20 ThickAsThieves oh wait
15:20 mircea_popescu but blackhawk ? nada a ver ?
15:21 ThickAsThieves ;;google chicago blackhawks logo
15:21 gribble Chicago Blackhawks: The Official Web Site: <http://blackhawks.nhl.com/>; Desktop Wallpaper - Chicago Blackhawks - Fan Zone: <http://blackhawks.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=47379>; Chicago Blackhawks Logos - National Hockey League (NHL) - Chris ...: <http://www.sportslogos.net/logos/list_by_team/7/Chicago_Blackhawks/>
15:21 ThickAsThieves there ya go
15:21 ThickAsThieves just a happy lil injun
15:21 mircea_popescu heh.
15:22 mircea_popescu so after having their land stolen and later their population exterminated,
15:22 mircea_popescu indians are now going to be erased from written record and culture too
15:22 mircea_popescu under the guise of "protection
15:22 los_pantalones ah, excellent point
15:22 ThickAsThieves all to spare the ego of Uncle Sam
15:23 mircea_popescu peculiarly extensive implementation of damnatio memoriae srsly.
15:23 asciilifeform ;;google jahiliyyah
15:23 gribble Jahiliyyah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jahiliyyah>; Jahiliyyah - Oxford Islamic Studies Online: <http://www.oxfordislamicstudies.com/article/opr/t125/e1157>; Use of the Word “Jahiliyyah” (Period of Ignorance) - islamqa.info: <http://islamqa.info/en/103660>
15:23 ThickAsThieves they just renamed a school in Jacksonville
15:23 ThickAsThieves cuz named after KKK wizard or such
15:23 ThickAsThieves was a huge fight
15:24 ThickAsThieves but a local rapper won eventually
15:24 Blazedout419 Sad how overly sensitive the USA is these days
15:25 ThickAsThieves interestingly, in a WoT/BTC/Mircean world, all bad things are permanent record
15:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: so gotta keep x86/winblows relevant somehow << can't imagine how that'd work. by now the stack is quite ample : x86 running windows to connect the owners of bitcents to reddit.
15:25 mircea_popescu it's like... might as well consider the problems of the amiga universe.
15:26 ThickAsThieves amiga is a good name for a universe
15:26 mircea_popescu a defunct one.
15:26 asciilifeform think how it would've went, if jack tramiel had bought himself a congresscritter or two
15:26 mircea_popescu or if he just killed antonoderpulous.
15:27 asciilifeform where was the latter in, say, '85 ?
15:27 * asciilifeform confused
15:27 ThickAsThieves so i've been getting lost in the world of day traders lately, found some google hangouts where people do screen shares and voice chat about charts, etc
15:27 mircea_popescu idiots are perennial.
15:28 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves how's voice chat work ?
15:28 ThickAsThieves i mentioned irc at one point, and someone asked, why dont you guys just use voice chat?
15:28 ThickAsThieves which sparked my interest, maybe we should have an open line
15:28 asciilifeform idiots still have bitcents remaining? thought they've been vacuumed up by now
15:29 ThickAsThieves they use Google Hangouts
15:29 ThickAsThieves which works fine
15:29 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves because irc is non blocking.
15:29 ThickAsThieves but you could do voice on Ventrilo or such
15:29 mircea_popescu i can rant while you talk.
15:29 mircea_popescu if we voice chatted it'd be like the bdsm brunch.
15:29 ThickAsThieves just a thought
15:29 mircea_popescu iirc someone made trilema rift guild a ventrilo
15:29 mircea_popescu so it's already existent
15:30 mircea_popescu dunno if it gets much use
15:30 mircea_popescu no wait was a mumble
15:30 ThickAsThieves it would by the raiders
15:30 asciilifeform we should have an open line << what's it cost / who one needs to kill / etc. to get a shortwave channel?
15:30 mircea_popescu asciilifeform to argentina, australia and everywherew ?
15:30 asciilifeform 2 or 3 repeaters, sure.
15:31 asciilifeform when solar flare, people will take break, get some wurk done.
15:31 ThickAsThieves google hangouts are recorded in 8 hour sessions too, and able to be live broadcasted on youtube, so we've had some dialogues and such as 'entertainment'
15:31 ThickAsThieves anyway that's what ive been up to
15:31 mircea_popescu by the way, re the intel thing and atari : in 1983, game consoles sold like 3bn dollars' worth (in 1983 dollars, like ten trillion today). by 1985, it was 100 mn (9x% drop)
15:32 mircea_popescu these things DO happen
15:32 asciilifeform the infamous desert burial
15:32 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves so link one ?
15:32 ThickAsThieves i'll have to get it from one of them next time
15:32 asciilifeform (some fool dug up the site not long ago)
15:35 mircea_popescu decimation: "you want to get paid? well, you better write your TPS reports in MS so we can give you tax dollars" << "yeah but how about you don't have tax dollars to give in the first place"
15:35 mircea_popescu the displacement of which bitcoin is keystone is really pretty large.
15:36 benkay i can't wait until my taxable dollar amount is negligible
15:39 mircea_popescu quick boobs
15:42 mircea_popescu moiety: https://p10.secure.hostingprod.com/@spyblog.org.uk/ssl/wikileak/2011/09/why-didnt-julian-assange-use-pgp-properly-when-handing-over-cablescsv-file-to-da.html << re this ? the first website on the whole internets to actually publish cables ? my blog.
15:42 assbot Why didn't Julian Assange use PGP properly when handing over the US State Department cables.csv file to David Leigh ?? - WikiLeak
15:42 mircea_popescu later that day wikileaks gave up and actually dumped it too.
15:45 benkay boobs?
15:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform:
15:45 mircea_popescu 'More interestingly, many Americans no longer even understand the concepts of loyalty and treason?again, not surprising, since for a few generations now they have been ruled by traitors, whose routine acts of betrayal are designed to benefit just about anyone?from Israeli arms smugglers to Afghani heroin dealers?except the people who supposedly elect them to office.' << that's not the why.
15:46 mircea_popescu the why is that for an entire generation now they've been trained to falsely believe that hierarchy is arbitrary and evil, that submission is against human nature and forcing the inferior to submit inhuman etc scl.
15:46 mircea_popescu that system of crud makes loyalty logically impossible.
15:47 benkay someone talked us into trading leadership for democracy, with predictable results.
15:48 benkay i spent my early twenties looking for a man worth my loyalty and then gave up.
15:48 mircea_popescu remarkable how much orlov gets wrong given how much he notices.
15:48 benkay well, worth loyalty and capable of leading.
15:48 mircea_popescu benkay and willing to, is the bitch.
15:49 moiety interesting
15:51 mircea_popescu http://www.andrewcusack.com/net/wp-content/uploads/saynw4.jpg this is actually not bad
15:51 benkay yup.
15:52 benkay not that i found any worth my time to begin with, so i don't even have a sample of potential masters to compare to each other.
15:53 benkay this conversation just got mad gay.
15:53 mircea_popescu well since we're doing mad, lemme tell you a story.
15:54 mircea_popescu i take girl to local bdsm brunch yesterday. bout fiddy local people, all very nice and friendly, some bar somewhere that you'd think you've died and it's greenwich village in 1980 all over again
15:55 mircea_popescu there's this chick that looks just about 12 (and later confirmed her weight as 43 - !!! - kgs) that takes a liking to my girl, they chat, i buy them wine,
15:56 mircea_popescu tells us all about how she's tried being a 2nd subbie in a relationship and it was ok but they ended it amiably and she's not looking for anything
15:56 mircea_popescu meanwhile unattached in-their-own-oppinion dom guys tell me all about how alpha really they are, and then we leave.
15:57 mircea_popescu with the kitten. who, mind you, gets up in a cab and drives away with two guys who are clearly foreigners, barely speak the language, and she's just met two hours prior in a bar at a bdsm munch.
15:57 mircea_popescu past desperate attempts at cockblocking by the entire collected "alpha" population. apparently my chick's unstoppable and really fucking scary to boys.
15:57 mircea_popescu so : there's seeking and then there's seeking.
16:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 132.20522660 BTC to 77`492 shares, 170605 satoshi per share
16:00 benkay i also had nothing to bring to the table for those years. arguably still don't.
16:01 mircea_popescu neither did she. i have more tit.
16:01 mircea_popescu i mean, *I* have more tit.
16:02 benkay but you're out shopping.
16:02 mircea_popescu in spite of which she did everything all night long, i took her to breakfast and then dropped her off in the arms of her mothar.
16:02 mircea_popescu i guess sort-of yeah, that's a point.
16:03 benkay ha so my time for story
16:03 mircea_popescu the gay just won't wash away :D
16:03 benkay gotta pray it away
16:04 mircea_popescu anyway, yes, please, by all means, even the story cunt a bit
16:04 mircea_popescu im sick of reading nothing but my own stories in the logs
16:05 benkay so last night i'm at the user group thing, making friends, introducing people to each other, the usual shit necessary to keep a user group's momentum up, and not one, not two but three people on whose skills and capabilities i've been sold for a while come up to me gently asking about opportunities to contract
16:05 mircea_popescu cazalla: BingoBoingo: didn't you know that the biggest Australian export after resources are bitcoin scams? (inputs.io, hair dresser ipos, kenilworth and on it goes) << i've often thought of this. add patrick harnett and a whole other bunch of new zealand folk
16:06 mircea_popescu benkay so you're like made.
16:07 benkay separately, a local company'd killed off their division of programmers who work in this particular stack due to the 'difficulty' of finding them. several of these devs left their employers due to the boss' unwillingness to put steel behind the right technical decisions with clients.
16:07 benkay and i'm sitting over here not exactly swimming in work but definitely a bit busy helping people who trust me to run the technical side of their businesses, and definitely overwhelmed by the talent seeking work with me.
16:08 mircea_popescu so at this juncture you send the boss's boss a link to this log
16:08 mircea_popescu seemingly you're the new boss.
16:08 benkay wat
16:09 benkay just 'cause their boys want to hack with me doesn't mean i get to tell their old firm what to do.
16:09 mircea_popescu says who ?
16:09 benkay well back up a sec - just what does that get me?
16:09 benkay "neener neener i got yer best"?
16:10 benkay where's the ROI?
16:10 asciilifeform programmers << i thought benkay ran a machine shop ?
16:10 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Heretic coin seems dead https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=459028.msg6551501#msg6551501 <<< these people are so retarded it bleeds right off the page. on one hand derps wonder why nobody mines/cares about the coin, and hnt at conspiraci. on the other, guy trying to slel 3mn coins, no news in a month. GEE FUCK I WONDER WHY IT IS NOBODY MINES IT
16:10 assbot [ANN][ALT][Altcoin][scrypt Adaptive N-factor][Random][Fair Launch][No ASIC]
16:10 mircea_popescu benkay gotta give the boss' boss the opportunity to make his own mistake.
16:10 mircea_popescu sane boss approached with this, if it can be documented, cans the underboss that same day.
16:10 mircea_popescu and with extreme prejudice at that.
16:11 benkay asciilifeform: i had no intention of giving that impression. i'd love to own a machine shop but I need a pile more capital to make that happen. ergo...software.
16:11 mircea_popescu "you dumb fuck, i have to hear from random passerby';s how utterly you suck at your job ? go fuck a goad in the market, you're never working in this line again"
16:11 ThickAsThieves Anyone know anything about Titan Bitcoin silver & gold coins?
16:11 ThickAsThieves they seem to be Casascius kinda thing
16:11 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i never saw proof they scammed anyone, if that helps.
16:12 ThickAsThieves ;;later tell nubbins [16:11] <+ThickAsThieves> Anyone know anything about Titan Bitcoin silver & gold coins?
16:12 gribble Error: "16:11" is not a valid command.
16:12 benkay it's not that bad a move from their perspective, mircea_popescu. if they want to chase milli+ contracts that run only on .NET and POJ, that's a legit business move.
16:12 ThickAsThieves oh ya
16:12 mircea_popescu benkay a, i guess you leftthat part out.
16:13 ThickAsThieves ;;later tell nubbins` [16:11] <+ThickAsThieves> Anyone know anything about Titan Bitcoin silver & gold coins?
16:13 gribble Error: "16:11" is not a valid command.
16:13 mircea_popescu so then, maybe you're running the local bitter loser group, and the fleet sailed long ago. who's to know.
16:13 benkay hey you think i leave details out of stories you should have seen fluffypony earlier
16:13 ThickAsThieves ;;later tell nubbins` Anyone know anything about Titan Bitcoin silver & gold coins?
16:13 gribble The operation succeeded.
16:13 benkay mircea_popescu: i thought lispers were all bitter losers to begin with
16:13 mircea_popescu muy true
16:14 benkay but also i'm running a different, longer play.
16:14 mircea_popescu arguably not as losers but bitterer than the other type o coders, but anyway
16:14 benkay dat bedrock
16:15 mircea_popescu Apocalyptic: having a WoT account doesn't mean everything you write is signed << why not ? inasmuch as only you could have written it...
16:16 mircea_popescu fluffypony: just phoned them - they'll increase my free limit to 30kgs << fuck them, assholes. seems all short distance is covered by this sort of low service "low cost" bs.
16:17 asciilifeform provokes the question, what do the 'high end' folks do? fly own machine?
16:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform more often than you'd think. prices have really come down
16:18 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i live next to a field full of these things. the fellow i used to rent from owned one. about 40k usd.
16:18 FabianB $traded
16:18 empyex FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: F.MPIF S.MPOE
16:18 mircea_popescu right ? sorta like a van
16:18 asciilifeform ~what a nice car costs. but, the bureaucracy!
16:18 mircea_popescu well, for one if you fly high enough you don't actually have to report
16:18 asciilifeform wanna start the motor? fill out these here forms...
16:18 mircea_popescu there' sa list of stuff
16:19 asciilifeform related:
16:19 asciilifeform ;;google joseph stack manifesto
16:19 gribble Insane Manifesto Of Austin Texas Crash Pilot Joseph Andrew Stack: <http://www.businessinsider.com/joseph-andrew-stacks-insane-manifesto-2010-2>; here's the Manifesto of Joseph Stack -- "Mr. Big Brother IRS Man ...: <http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7740464>; Plane Crash Suspect's Diatribe | The Smoking Gun: (1 more message)
16:20 asciilifeform (summary: fellow worked a bunch of ancient software consulting gigs. owed $maxint in tax somehow. told that his little airplane would be sold to pay the debt. went spectacularly postal.)
16:21 mircea_popescu i remember this, was years ago
16:21 asciilifeform aye
16:21 mircea_popescu or rehash ?
16:21 mircea_popescu aok
16:22 mthreat i saw that building after he hit it. It was the IRS building, and he targeted it on purpose
16:22 asciilifeform no, just example of somebody who actually relied on a micro airplane for a living
16:22 asciilifeform which was interesting, because 'tools of crafsman' are normally exempted from auction by creditors
16:22 asciilifeform but (can't recall) either tax authorities are not limited in this way, or they ruled that the machine was not really 'tool of trade'
16:23 mircea_popescu My introduction to the real American nightmare starts back in the early ‘80s. Unfortunately after more than 16 years of school, somewhere along the line I picked up the absurd, pompous notion that I could read and understand plain English. Some friends introduced me to a group of people who were having ‘tax code’ readings and discussions.
16:23 mircea_popescu srsly, the notion that there exists such a thing as "plain language"...
16:24 fluffypony ThickAsThieves: I'd love to have a voice channel, but I think it would work better if we scheduled it - like a session every two weeks or something?
16:24 mike_c i think it's somewhat valid. plain = not a lot of jargon.
16:24 mircea_popescu basically the problem of intelligent people is that the knowledge needed is so vast... i could readily render the pretense and nonsense of it, but i don't have the time/patience to hang out in every nook and cranny.
16:24 mircea_popescu mike_c "plain language" is the conceptual equivalent of "measurement in se". how long is your desk ?
16:25 mike_c it's about yea big
16:25 mircea_popescu so can i use the even-ness of the 129th digit in your measurement reliably ?
16:26 mircea_popescu there's nothing plain about language just like a measurement isn't the thing measured.
16:26 asciilifeform 'I have never seen unintelligent or children of average intelligence muster the intellectual power that causes them to believe their own mind to be better and more trustworthy than reality, although the enjoyment of every kind of magic and fairytales and mystic and wizardry is a sign that many _wish_ their minds were better than reality at a certain age. I have concluded that it is a phenomenal curse when it i
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16:26 asciilifeform s and children experience that they can guess faster than they can learn. This latter thing is what I mostly associate with stupidity, however, and why I do _not_ equate intelligence with absence of stupidity. Quite the contrary, the more intelligent, the more potential to be stupid in just this crucial way, to believe that what you can pick out of your own mind at zero cost is better than what must be dug up fr
16:26 asciilifeform om reality at great effort.'
16:26 asciilifeform guess who
16:26 mircea_popescu naggum ?
16:26 asciilifeform (naggum, of course. http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3185426046243327@naggum.net.html)
16:26 assbot 404 Not Found
16:27 asciilifeform stuff it arsebot, it's found.
16:27 mircea_popescu mike_c and the "not a lot of jargon" thing is roughly like the vietnam forest without a lot of vietcong in it.
16:27 mircea_popescu i'd be worried.
16:27 mircea_popescu !up st4rbux
16:28 mike_c for sure, you can't speak about things intelligently with plain language. i can't tell you what's wrong with your computer in plain language.
16:28 mike_c so i guess it's a euphimism for dumb language.
16:28 mircea_popescu moreover, and more dangerously : a term of art that has a common speech homophone will only notify those in the know of its status
16:28 mircea_popescu it's not going to (nor can it) notify the innocent.
16:29 asciilifeform try explaining how to... tie a bowline sea knot - in 'plain language.'
16:29 mike_c you can't. nor can you specify the tax code in plain language.
16:29 mircea_popescu i use the plainest language of anyone i'm aware of, and yet people claim you need a degree to argue with me. wtf is that all about.
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16:30 mircea_popescu DO YOU LIEK SPEAK PLAIN ENGLISH ??!
16:30 asciilifeform the most elegant example of the agony of 'plain language' is: attempts at computer programming systems which purported to use such.
16:30 mircea_popescu good example yea
16:30 mike_c it's a starting point, not an endpoint.
16:30 asciilifeform consider:
16:30 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/hypercard-calc/hc23.jpg
16:30 mircea_popescu my z80 keyboard had plain language on it : load, merge, save etc
16:31 asciilifeform ^ even with manual, this 2-line script was a pain to write. logically equivalent phrases, all sum to nothing
16:31 mircea_popescu it's great for humour this. "does your desk make your back hurt ? press backspace!"
16:31 asciilifeform 'please press any key' - 'where is the any key'
16:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i hought you loved hypercard ?
16:32 asciilifeform not the script lang
16:32 mircea_popescu a a ya
16:32 mircea_popescu nm
16:32 asciilifeform it was made to torture sinners in an apple-themed hell
16:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.06380004 = 1.1484 BTC [-] {3}
16:33 asciilifeform somehow, 'hypertalk' was well-liked by serious users. why? theory: it lured a bunch of folks who were 'on the right side of the camel's hump' to begin with - into learning elementary programming
16:34 asciilifeform e.g. lawyers, accountants, builders - people who wouldn't have had any dealings with programming otherwise, and - by many accounts - haven't since.
16:34 mircea_popescu In retrospect, the situation was laughable because here I was living on peanut butter and bread (or Ritz crackers when I could afford to splurge) for months at a time. When I got to know this poor figure and heard her story I felt worse for her plight than for my own (I, after all, I thought I had everything to in front of me). I was genuinely appalled at one point, as we exchanged stories and commiserated with each
16:34 mircea_popescu other over our situations, when she in her grandmotherly fashion tried to convince me that I would be “healthier” eating cat food (like her) rather than trying to get all my substance from peanut butter and bread. I couldn’t quite go there, but the impression was made.
16:35 mircea_popescu for the record, had occasion to punish girly to cat food only diet for a week or so.
16:35 mircea_popescu she hated that more than anything in memory.
16:36 * asciilifeform recalls many stories of soviet emigres dining on delicious cat food upon arrival
16:37 asciilifeform (it is not necessarily clear, to a man innocent of the concept of specially made feed for cats, why he should not dine on a can of tuna with a cat printed on the label)
16:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06380043 = 0.5104 BTC [-] {4}
16:42 asciilifeform incidentally, mr stack was a firmware builder.
16:42 asciilifeform http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/plane-crash-suspects-online-diatribe?page=6
16:42 assbot Plane Crash Suspect's Online Diatribe | The Smoking Gun
16:42 asciilifeform probably could have gotten a slower, but more spectacular revenge.
16:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform sheep never make good wolves.
16:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06498295 = 0.5199 BTC [-]
16:43 * asciilifeform awaits the epic rampage of a future mr. heap.
16:43 mircea_popescu the reason for that'd be that sheep never make good wolves in the first place.
16:43 ThickAsThieves mp you made it! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=651315.msg7298687;topicseen#new
16:43 assbot Hall of Shame Leaderboard/Awards: Vote for your Favorite Worst Crypto CEOs Ever!
16:43 Azelphur asciilifeform: that site served me the wrong image the first time I loaded the page...so confusing
16:44 mircea_popescu ;;google mircea popescu ceo
16:44 gribble Mircea Popescu | LinkedIn: <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/mircea-popescu/23/a1b/21a>; The SEC asked this Romanian Bitcoin CEO for private data. Here is ...: <http://www.ihavebitcoins.com/featured/sec-asked-romanian-bitcoin-ceo-private-data-response/>; An era ends today. A new era starts today. pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/an-era-ends-today-a-new-era- (1 more message)
16:44 Azelphur it served me a screenshot of a small businesses website that creates embedded art firmware/software
16:44 Azelphur mircea_popescu: BITCOIN CEO
16:44 Azelphur xD
16:44 asciilifeform Azelphur: that was the correct photo
16:44 mircea_popescu win.
16:44 Azelphur asciilifeform: oh, then I'm confused
16:45 asciilifeform Azelphur: it was run by one joseph stack, who crashed a small airplane into a tax authority office in 2010.
16:45 Azelphur I see
16:46 benkay i'm surprised MP didn't get more 'smooth talker' noms
16:46 mircea_popescu i what ?!
16:47 ThickAsThieves benkay consider they all think hanbot is mp
16:48 mircea_popescu inexplicable why it's so easy for scammers on that forum.
16:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 179 @ 0.03847462 = 6.887 BTC [-]
16:51 ThickAsThieves "Same here. I think IQ is bullshit and is a way of the gevernments to bracket us. Qualifications are a load of crap too. Who need a piece of paper to tell people that they can create the next "E=MC Squared"."
16:51 ThickAsThieves from Cryptsy trollbox
16:51 ThickAsThieves "Crowdfunding has shown that ANYONE can create or innovate. Not just greedy corporations."
16:51 ThickAsThieves same guy
16:51 los_pantalones have a good weekend ladies and germs
16:51 mircea_popescu a will to power as the only qualification ?
16:52 mircea_popescu remarkable how similar the start and end of civilisation are. sorta like the start and end of man's life.
16:52 mircea_popescu is there any actual anything done via crowdfunding so far ?
16:53 benkay oculus rift?
16:53 mircea_popescu i don't mean nonsense gathering a pile of cash
16:53 asciilifeform the ransom of 'blender' (cad package) ?
16:53 mircea_popescu what's it do ?
16:53 ThickAsThieves some movies and games and shit
16:53 mircea_popescu some gaming headset. meh.
16:53 ThickAsThieves some accessories for phones n shit
16:53 ThickAsThieves i got an NFC ring
16:54 ThickAsThieves which i havent even tried yet
16:54 mircea_popescu so basically, for as long as other people cook, crowdfounding can continue to make the tomato roses.
16:56 mircea_popescu mike_c: ugh. shame on your family. << bitcoin-otc isn't really intended for https anyway is it. or am i missing your point ?
16:56 mike_c my point was it is using cloudflare
16:56 asciilifeform http://pastebin.com/KRbNE256 << my reply to a reader, some time ago, who asked 'why won't you use kickstarter'
16:56 assbot Dear [redacted], [redacted] is, unfortunately, almost the polar opposite of t - Pastebin.com
16:57 mircea_popescu myeah. giving the site ot mr evil doesn't hurt anything on a plaintext site.
16:59 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves: conveniently occurring just as the price topped << anything having taaki involkved and not being a scam ?
17:00 ThickAsThieves is darkcoin his thing?
17:00 ThickAsThieves i know he's darkmarket
17:00 ThickAsThieves which i think they changed to Open Bazaar
17:01 * mircea_popescu now has to check digests
17:01 mircea_popescu http://www.maxkeiser.com/2014/05/anarchistic-anonymous-dark-coin-creator-amir-taaki/
17:01 assbot Anarchistic Anonymous Dark Wallet Creator: Amir Taaki | Max Keiser
17:01 mircea_popescu haha whart a bullseye
17:02 ThickAsThieves ok so taaki makes darkwallet
17:02 ThickAsThieves not darkcoin
17:03 ThickAsThieves The brainchild behind Darkcoin, Evan Duffield, explained his motivation for creating this privacy-oriented crypto-currency:
17:03 ThickAsThieves “I believe the central problem with Bitcoin is that the public ledger, although a remarkable accomplishment, also allows a gross invasion of personal privacy by permanently listing all transactions the users have ever done publicly.”
17:03 mircea_popescu "dark-coin-creator"
17:03 mircea_popescu am i misreading ?
17:03 ThickAsThieves no, they are mis-writing
17:03 mircea_popescu he's definitely misreading what bitcoin does, for that matter.
17:04 ThickAsThieves Evan Duffield has given much praise to the Dark Wallet project that was spearheaded by crypto-anarchists Cody Wilson and Amir Taaki, but stated that "it's not a completely decentralized approach.”
17:04 ThickAsThieves or "they are asses"
17:05 mircea_popescu pity for wilson
17:05 mircea_popescu it's sad how many promising young minds are ruined by the predilection of young minds for bad associations
17:05 mircea_popescu today as in 1814
17:06 ThickAsThieves DarkCoin uses 11 rounds of different hashing functions
17:06 mircea_popescu fluffypony http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2014#725708 << this entire convo seems entirely nonsensical to me.
17:06 assbot #bitcoin-assets log
17:06 mircea_popescu so you have a guy's affidavit that he sent me 10 btc to addy x in tx y.
17:06 mircea_popescu so what now ?
17:07 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves so ?
17:07 fluffypony ThickAsThieves: DAISY CHAIN
17:07 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'd guess: much of the panic re: btc 'taint' etc. comes from u.s. folks, who can be sent to the gasenwagen on very loose - rather than hard, 'scientific' - evidence.
17:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i don't see any evidence whatsoever is th problem
17:08 ThickAsThieves most americans have tainted all their coins by now
17:08 mircea_popescu sothe 10btc is... moved to my wallet, from which a diff sum is spent on whatever, baby squirrel tears. so what now ?
17:08 asciilifeform think 'astrology', not astronomy.
17:08 mircea_popescu it's deposited to mpex, and a sum withdranw to pay for same. so... what ?
17:08 mircea_popescu it's bet on bitbet, and it loses. sooo ?
17:08 asciilifeform 'mr x owns black cat, is a witch'
17:09 mircea_popescu it's moved to another address. so ?
17:09 mircea_popescu they pick you up, you go "sorry, I sold them".
17:09 mircea_popescu what now ?
17:09 mircea_popescu if they ask you who you sold them to, you give them the name of the prosecutor in charge.
17:09 mircea_popescu derp.
17:09 asciilifeform inquisitor: 'ok, find me the fellow who bought. he'll sit on this here stake, next you yours, and will tell the truth'
17:09 mircea_popescu "you, m'lad"
17:10 ThickAsThieves you are suggesting an American to lie!?
17:10 mircea_popescu since we're doing affidavits, prosecutor is welcome to an affidavit as to how he himself bought.
17:10 mircea_popescu and he can go hang himself with it.
17:10 asciilifeform inquisitor: 'libelling a faithful servant of the king, that'll be an extra two years on the stake'
17:10 mircea_popescu no, it's the truth.
17:10 ThickAsThieves Schrodinger's Truth
17:11 mircea_popescu there is no such thing as bitcoin taint. attempts to solve this inexistent problem, just like all the other attempts to solve inexistent problems in the history of human engineering
17:11 mircea_popescu are a waste of the presumptive solver's time.
17:11 mircea_popescu many many MANY genius minds wasted most of their time in pursuit of similar nonsense.
17:11 asciilifeform the proposed legal defense, though, will work about as well here as it would've in ussr.
17:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform but that is entirely besides the point
17:11 ThickAsThieves taint is a factor for terrorists though
17:11 mircea_popescu no *coin or wallet* will ever solve the ussr-ness of the usa
17:11 ThickAsThieves so taaki is obv a terrorist
17:12 asciilifeform people are obsessed with technical 'solutions' because they cannot afford the actual working solution (suitcase, airplane, new passport)
17:12 mircea_popescu that doesn't make them less of a waste of, presumably, valuable brain gasoline.
17:12 asciilifeform aye
17:12 asciilifeform but go tell the mortally ill fellow to renounce the snake oil
17:13 asciilifeform he'll drink whatever.
17:13 fluffypony https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654861.0
17:13 assbot Crypto Kidz Digital Trading Cards
17:13 fluffypony how come mircea_popescu doesn't have one?
17:13 ThickAsThieves that reminds me
17:13 mircea_popescu i r just saying so it's said. not intending to persuade.
17:13 ThickAsThieves i was thinking of making a bitcoin comic
17:13 ThickAsThieves if i can make the time
17:13 mircea_popescu fluffypony i didn't have the time to log into rift even past two weeks
17:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.06380017 = 0.7656 BTC [-] {3}
17:13 ThickAsThieves basically illustrating the hostory of our window into bitcoin
17:13 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves wasn't nubbins` in the same boat ?
17:14 ThickAsThieves maybe i dunno\
17:14 mircea_popescu aite.
17:14 asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: was it you who turned down working F.MPIF on account of living in usa ?
17:14 ThickAsThieves yes
17:15 fluffypony OH!
17:15 fluffypony hanbot DID get a card!
17:15 fluffypony https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fs15.postimg.org%2Fj6sihh89n%2Fmpoe1.gif&t=541&c=M38OPHGrb4N4Mg
17:15 * asciilifeform counts the folks who told him he's condemned to the wagen
17:15 ThickAsThieves nice!
17:16 fluffypony ah
17:16 fluffypony I found MP's
17:16 fluffypony https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fs14.postimg.org%2Fg6lok055d%2Fm_p_1.gif&t=541&c=bWIntMOTcEjaiQ
17:16 asciilifeform fluffypony: lol, that's from my voyage photo set, isn't it
17:16 fluffypony just had to scroll down
17:16 fluffypony asciilifeform: yes I recognise the same
17:16 mircea_popescu ahaha what, she's a dragon nao ?!
17:16 ThickAsThieves that is a pretty awesome card mp
17:16 ThickAsThieves you should be proud
17:16 fluffypony yeah
17:17 fluffypony you got Super Hero
17:17 mircea_popescu doesn't it need like damage or something ?
17:17 mircea_popescu perhaps i misunderstand this game
17:17 ThickAsThieves i love how the graphics are so shitty
17:17 kakobrekla yup, great stuff
17:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform can't shoot.
17:18 kakobrekla wonder if nubbins can print those
17:18 fluffypony res is too low I think
17:18 ThickAsThieves itd be a horrible job for him
17:18 ThickAsThieves many designs, low qty
17:19 mircea_popescu omfg log end!
17:19 mircea_popescu kakobrekla yeagh, he can print them on rice beads
17:19 asciilifeform original photo: http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/tri2.jpg
17:19 ThickAsThieves actually, i could probably make a set pretty cheaply
17:19 mircea_popescu actually a pretty good pic of her huh, she's like the mother of disdain
17:20 asciilifeform just about everyone i showed the pics to, for some reason... wanted that one.
17:20 kakobrekla 15k domains guy know all about bitcoin guy is missing :(
17:20 mircea_popescu asciilifeform prolly you know a buncha subbies.
17:21 asciilifeform lol
17:21 ThickAsThieves i'm pricing it
17:21 ThickAsThieves it'd be $17 per design to do 100 double-sided UV coated trading cards
17:22 ThickAsThieves plus time to set up all the files
17:22 asciilifeform http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7015/6691171311_00f13b9524.jpg
17:22 kakobrekla can you play that?
17:23 asciilifeform kakobrekla: they're perfectly normal playing cards
17:23 kakobrekla what are the rules?
17:23 asciilifeform playing cards. you can play traditional games with them.
17:24 kakobrekla a.
17:25 kakobrekla i remember from childhood, sets of cards that were single, unique game sets
17:26 asciilifeform kakobrekla: they have these in usa. with the added twist that the 'official' rules change regularly, requiring purchase of 'fresh' decks
17:26 ThickAsThieves like UNO
17:26 asciilifeform e.g. 'magic the gathering'
17:26 ThickAsThieves ive played my fair share of mtg
17:26 kakobrekla ah i never looked at mtg
17:27 mircea_popescu similarly to <kakobrekla> i remember from childhood, sets of cards that were naked women
17:27 mircea_popescu great for strip poker
17:35 benkay wth is this
17:35 benkay the label on this beer can is misaligned by a whole damn .125
17:36 benkay i wonder if they're printed first and then turned into cans or what.
17:39 Mats_cd03 lol
17:39 benkay ;;ident Mats_cd03
17:39 gribble CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'Mats_cd03', with hostmask 'Mats_cd03!sid23029@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egqqpqahqadiceog', is identified as user 'mats', with GPG key id B9527964891A5566, key fingerprint B37F49DC35FD838B1F8783CC59C93F63549036BD, and bitcoin address None
17:39 benkay ah, that's how you're doing it.
17:40 benkay ;;gettrust assbot Mats_cd03
17:40 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Mats_cd03: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Mats_cd03 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Mats_cd03 | Rated since: Tue May 13 15:07:43 2014
17:40 benkay ;;gettrust assbot mats
17:40 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask Mats_cd03!sid23029@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egqqpqahqadiceog. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user assbot to user mats: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=mats | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mats | Rated since: Thu Jun 19 20:47:48 2014
17:40 benkay ;;rate mats 1
17:40 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mats has been recorded.
17:41 mike_c ;;rate mats 1
17:41 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mats has been recorded.
17:43 benkay overwhelming rate tsunami
17:43 benkay of ones
17:54 benkay https://api.wordpress.org/secret-key/1.1/salt/
17:55 benkay http://api.wordpress.org/secret-key/1.1/
17:55 benkay what am i looking at
17:55 benkay private key generation over http?
17:55 benkay with php for evaluation?
17:56 punkman so I just put together something to test betting strategies on past bitbets and guess what, betting 0.1 on No on all resolved bets would result in a net gain of 9.7 BTC
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17:57 punkman (at 90k weight)
17:57 mike_c median gain?
17:57 mike_c or, median result?
17:58 punkman let me check
18:01 punkman mike_c, 0.0747
18:01 mike_c net or gross?
18:01 punkman net
18:01 mike_c impressive.
18:02 punkman I'm just looking at bets with result = No
18:03 punkman total net gain is 36.3 BTC, then I subtracted 26.6 BTC that I would need for the 266 bets that had result = Yes
18:07 punkman 0.1 is the magic number, 0.2 leaves you with only ~4 BTC net gain
18:10 punkman 0.08 on everything also gives ~10 BTC, 0.05 gives 8.5 BTC
18:12 kakobrekla 0.1 on all resolved would mean like 75btc
18:13 kakobrekla 9.7 btc on top is over 10 percent
18:13 punkman yep pretty good strategy eh
18:13 kakobrekla short the world.
18:13 punkman http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-have-fun-as-an-intelligent-person/ "Because the outcome is binary, if you bet randomly over a long enough horizon of bets you should break even (well, minus Bitbet’s 1% house edge)."
18:13 assbot How to have fun as an intelligent person pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
18:13 punkman so that's wrong ^
18:14 mike_c how is betting no on everything random?
18:14 kakobrekla well it could be that yes will pay for the next two years
18:14 kakobrekla but
18:14 kakobrekla given the bitcoin community state, id say that is unlikely
18:14 punkman yes now that I've revealed this amazing strategy people will phrase propositions differently and ruin it
18:14 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
18:15 kakobrekla you presume people read logs.
18:16 punkman mike_c: my rng is really bad
18:16 punkman but my point was that betting randomly will not break even
18:17 punkman unless you are flipping a really bad coin
18:20 kakobrekla wait until bitbet processes infinite amount of bets.
18:20 kakobrekla er, resolves.
18:20 * mthreat does this appear in the log
18:21 mthreat appears so
18:21 kakobrekla it appears it appears.
18:21 penguirker New blog post: http://devilsadvocate.biz/once-upon-a-time-i-wanted-to-draw-comic-books-for-a-living/
18:21 mthreat if things go smoothly we'll have a #bitcoin-assets log search engine in a few hours
18:22 kakobrekla o you beat me to it
18:22 kakobrekla good job
18:22 mthreat who runs log.bitcoin-assets ?
18:22 kakobrekla some schmuck
18:23 mthreat cool.. i'll hit up said schmuck once it's live, and maybe we can have whatever process adds to the log also send it to the search engine, so it'll be instantly searchable
18:24 kakobrekla hm, can you connect to 0mq socket?
18:25 mthreat i haven't before, but if it's easy to do from java, then yeah
18:25 kakobrekla it prolly is.
18:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.20971806 = 1.0486 BTC [+] {5}
18:25 kakobrekla ill set that up at some point then
18:26 mthreat ok, or i can set up an http endpoint where you can POST irc entries as they come in
18:27 kakobrekla tbh i dont think its an issue if sync is done daily or so
18:27 kakobrekla brb
18:27 mike_c ^ agreed. pretty easy to search today's log.
18:28 mike_c it's just looking for something said X weeks ago that's a pita
18:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.065 = 0.52 BTC [+]
18:30 asciilifeform http://cryptome.org/2014/06/scotus-finances-2013.pdf << lol, berkshire
18:31 asciilifeform guess which scotus judge has debts.
18:31 asciilifeform (1)
18:32 benkay but !logsearch "foo" is going to be rad, mthreat, kakobrekla
18:33 mthreat benkay: ya, who runs assbot?
18:34 mike_c some schmuck
18:34 mike_c ;;ident assbot
18:34 gribble Nick 'assbot', with hostmask 'assbot!~assbot@unaffiliated/kakobrekla/bot/assbot', is not identified.
18:36 benkay Sumyungai
18:37 benkay ;;gettrust sumyungai
18:37 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user sumyungai: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=sumyungai | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=sumyungai | Rated since: Thu May 16 01:23:02 2013
18:37 mike_c who understands this: "ISIL stole $400 million in a raid on Mosul's central bank". what, it was stacked in the corner in bills?
18:37 mike_c i dun understand
18:38 asciilifeform mike_c: usg sent several $b in actual benjamins to iraq. i thought this was common knowledge.
18:38 ThickAsThieves i saw a swallow-tailed kite recently, didnt even know birds that looked like it existed http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-OLOeI6hddls/T1YL5sfdhbI/AAAAAAAAHKU/Bt_jCJmbbzM/s1600/swallow-tailed+kit%C2%A9LillianStokes.jpg
18:38 mike_c asciilifeform: so you're saying they filled up some duffel bags and walked out with $400m? that must have been heavy.
18:39 mike_c ;;calc 4000000 / 450
18:39 gribble 8888.88888889
18:39 mike_c 9,000 lbs of money..
18:40 asciilifeform a benjamin weights ~1g
18:40 asciilifeform (same as other us currency)
18:40 mike_c yeah. 4m bills / 450 grams per lb
18:42 asciilifeform 4000 kg, yes
18:42 asciilifeform one dump truck.
18:45 mike_c ok. that computes. seems like a logistical nightmare though. who guards the dump truck with $400m in it?
18:46 asciilifeform a column of identical trucks.
18:47 * asciilifeform wasn't there, didn't load the truck. but these are basics.
18:47 mike_c somebody who is poor knows which truck has the money. i guess you take that guy out back after he drives the truck where it is going.
18:49 mike_c and also, fu linux. g++: internal compiler error: Killed
18:50 benkay could be worse
18:50 benkay os x
18:55 mike_c this is me today: http://widgetsandshit.com/teddziuba/2009/08/context-switches-are-bad-but-s.html
18:55 assbot Context Switches are Bad, but Stack Traces are Worse
18:55 mike_c you know, without the annoying manager.
19:02 benkay python is a code smell
19:02 benkay ^^ new favorite incendiary device
19:02 benkay lob it at a bunch of programmers, watch the sparks
19:02 asciilifeform wtf is a code smell
19:03 benkay fuck if i know, but everyone gets riled up.
19:03 benkay ;;google code smell
19:03 gribble Code smell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_smell>; Code Smells - Coding Horror: <http://blog.codinghorror.com/code-smells/>; CodeSmell - Martin Fowler: <http://martinfowler.com/bliki/CodeSmell.html>
19:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.0649 = 0.7788 BTC [-]
19:03 * asciilifeform guesses it is the odour of perl used in confined quarters
19:03 benkay "Code smells are usually not bugs—they are not technically incorrect and do not currently prevent the program from functioning. Instead, they indicate weaknesses in design that may be slowing down development or increasing the risk of bugs or failures in the future."
19:03 asciilifeform tends to make people... hurl
19:03 benkay ouch.
19:13 mike_c kakobrekla: you know bitcoind apparently takes in amounts in fucking btc, not satoshis? you probably knew this. this is retarded.
19:13 mike_c news flash: bitcoind sucks.
19:13 kakobrekla yes
19:13 kakobrekla at least it can handle sci notation
19:14 kakobrekla or at least did.
19:16 benkay working with bitcoin stuff makes me want types in a bad way
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19:39 TheNewDeal bc,stats
19:39 TheNewDeal bc,,stats
19:40 benkay ;;bc,stats
19:40 gribble Current Blocks: 306914 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 1533 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 1 hour, 38 minutes, and 31 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 15853327045.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 17.75846
19:40 benkay ;)
19:40 Mats_cd03 hue
19:41 Mats_cd03 c wut i did thar?
19:41 benkay wut u doon
19:41 benkay dis ain't 4chn breh
19:42 Mats_cd03 har
19:42 TheNewDeal thought I was one on one with gribble there
19:42 Mats_cd03 assets search engine? already exists
19:42 Mats_cd03 ;;google site:log.bitcoin-assets.com dongs
19:42 gribble NEXT: 10-03-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2014&bots=true>; NEXT: 24-03-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2014&bots=true>; NEXT: 24-06-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-06-2013&bots=true>
19:43 Mats_cd03 even works in channel, how nice is that?
19:43 benkay oh c'mon let mthreat be useful
19:43 benkay quit pissing in errybody cheerios
19:44 Mats_cd03 my life sux wut m i gonna do besides criticize people
19:44 benkay dunno boss maybe learn haskell?
19:45 Mats_cd03 haskell is fucking gay
19:45 TheNewDeal wooooh there. I've seen haskell fuck the hottest chicks
19:46 Mats_cd03 my year long vacation from employment is about to end
19:46 TheNewDeal oooh I pulled a 6 month stint last year
19:46 Mats_cd03 time to apply to be an it slave
19:46 Mats_cd03 anyone want to buy me a nice collar?
19:47 TheNewDeal peraps
19:47 benkay you gotta earn those
19:47 TheNewDeal how do I know it's not going to end up with hookers and blow though?
19:48 mthreat haskell has a purpose ya know. at UT Austin it (was) used as a freshman weed-out class.
19:48 mike_c so, g++ was crashing because not enough memory. it couldn't just tell me that? have to get retarded cryptic error message cuz it ran out of memory?
19:48 benkay Mats_cd03: what kinda IT do you do?
19:49 benkay mike_c: you could be trying to run Jira yourself on the JVM. "not too little memory, not too much. just...right."
19:49 benkay i suspect when one pays for hosted jira someone is staring at htop and intervening manually.
19:49 Mats_cd03 i administered win machines and a few linux boxes for the nerds in the clean room at my last IT job
19:50 Mats_cd03 along with misc work that comes with being lowest tier monkey in dept
19:50 mike_c benkay: ugh. sounds worth paying for.
19:50 Mats_cd03 im learning puppet so perhaps i can buy myself a nice collar
19:51 benkay if you make pilgrimage to puppet hq make sure you ping me - beers on my tab
19:52 Mats_cd03 i spent most of the last year doing firmware haxn in hopes id be good enough to apply for like jobs
19:52 Mats_cd03 no such luck...
19:52 TheNewDeal holy shit. Tesla was at 30$ last year?
19:52 benkay mhm.
19:52 benkay slt.
19:52 Mats_cd03 thanks qt
19:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.065 = 0.52 BTC [+]
19:53 benkay QE, d'ya mean?
19:53 Mats_cd03 huh
19:54 benkay 30 -> 229: it's gotta be Quantitative Easing
19:56 benkay whats the qt you're talking about - not the UI kit?
19:56 Mats_cd03 im sayn youre a cutie for offering a drink
19:56 Mats_cd03 now im gay
19:56 TheNewDeal hahaha
19:57 TheNewDeal QE is definitely pumping the stocks at the moment
19:57 benkay it's been a queer day, Mats_cd03 - it's not your fault.
19:57 benkay must be the stars.
19:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06424997 = 0.514 BTC [+] {4}
20:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0639186 = 0.6392 BTC [-] {3}
20:01 Mats_cd03 people are unreasonable when it comes to musk
20:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.06373112 = 0.8285 BTC [-] {3}
20:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1025 @ 0.0008 = 0.82 BTC [-]
20:01 benkay they just get a whiff and *blammmo* can't keep 'em off me
20:02 Mats_cd03 you'd think he was jesus preparing to take the believers to live on mars
20:02 Mats_cd03 from the way people pile on TSLA
20:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.06340475 = 1.3315 BTC [-] {4}
20:03 TheNewDeal hahaha
20:03 TheNewDeal benkay totally confused me for a second there
20:04 TheNewDeal imagine if he let people purchase his cars with bitcoin
20:05 TheNewDeal reddit would go craaazy
20:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.0610754 = 1.7101 BTC [-] {4}
20:05 benkay and nothing would change.
20:05 benkay anyone with the btc to lay on a tesla can lay the cash on it, and probably more easily.
20:05 kakobrekla afaik you can buy tesla with btc (buttstamp guys didit)
20:06 benkay huh
20:06 TheNewDeal did reddit go crazy?!?
20:06 benkay i guess that's what you get when you sell directly - the freedom to take whatever
20:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 32 @ 0.06006885 = 1.9222 BTC [-] {3}
20:06 Mats_cd03 in practical terms it ends up converted to fiat anyway
20:06 kakobrekla http://cdn.kme.si/public/images-cache/640xX/2013/12/18/36025dbe8663ff565475ac75d251530e/52b1bf4763e1f/36025dbe8663ff565475ac75d251530e.jpeg
20:06 kakobrekla there ya go
20:07 TheNewDeal http://mashable.com/2013/12/09/tesla-bitcoin/ this dude bought it for 91.4 BTC. Probably could return it for just as much right now
20:07 assbot Man Buys $103K Tesla Model S With Bitcoin
20:07 Mats_cd03 http://www.autoblog.com/2013/12/09/tesla-model-s-bitcoin-purchase-false/
20:07 assbot Tesla not bought with Bitcoin currency after all? - Autoblog
20:07 Mats_cd03 TheNewDeal: ^
20:07 benkay wow there's a fucking hack
20:07 benkay buy a tesla with btc
20:07 benkay let it depreciate
20:07 benkay recoup btc
20:07 Mats_cd03 you think dealerships have the freedom to hold btc?
20:08 * kakobrekla paid 500btc for his golf cart
20:08 Mats_cd03 they get fucking bent over by manufacturers, mate
20:08 TheNewDeal I don't think the dealeship would allow your to return it for the same amount of btc
20:08 benkay hang on i may be a few too beers deep to keep track of my +/- axes
20:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10675 @ 0.00079982 = 8.5381 BTC [-]
20:09 benkay buy car, btc appreciates, car depreciates, get fucked.
20:10 TheNewDeal yes but this would have been a different situation, as bitcoin was $1000+ at the time
20:11 BingoBoingo mike_c: This is a troubling increase in hash
20:11 benkay TheNewDeal: mhm.
20:12 mike_c yeah, we lose. it's ok, we had good odds.
20:12 TheNewDeal last two changes effed you guys
20:12 TheNewDeal I guess the 12.44 wasn't that bad
20:12 TheNewDeal this current potential change and the last
20:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2505 @ 0.00080059 = 2.0055 BTC [+]
20:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0600106 = 0.6001 BTC [+] {4}
20:19 TheNewDeal I wouldn't mind if the hash jumped off a cliff right now
20:19 TheNewDeal or took a big stumble
20:20 TheNewDeal tried to make a little hedge bet on with the next change and it backfired in my face
20:20 benkay don't bet against diff, boss
20:21 TheNewDeal why does everyone say that?
20:21 TheNewDeal part of the bet requires an actual decent estimate on what the diff will be at that point
20:23 benkay hey nerds redis or memcached?
20:24 punkman redis has more useful data structures
20:27 benkay decision made thank you punkman
20:28 punkman benkay: maybe of interest: http://aphyr.com/posts/307-call-me-maybe-redis-redux
20:28 assbot Call me maybe: Redis redux
20:31 benkay thanks again punkman
20:31 benkay i'm not facing lots of writes but rather reads
20:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2780 @ 0.00080059 = 2.2256 BTC [+]
20:32 punkman guy's doing some good there with that Jepsen thing
20:32 punkman *some good work
20:34 benkay aaaand i may not even use a cacheing layer at the end of the day
20:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.06491932 = 0.9738 BTC [-] {4}
20:36 TheNewDeal wondering how many food stamps have been purchased with bitcoin
20:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9645 @ 0.00080333 = 7.7481 BTC [+] {2}
20:40 Mats_cd03 what universe do you live in
20:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00079845 = 3.2736 BTC [-]
20:44 TheNewDeal it was a joooke dude
20:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.06209101 = 1.366 BTC [-] {6}
20:46 moiety amiga?
20:47 benkay hola aiga
20:47 benkay amiga
20:48 moiety hola!
20:48 moiety firefox just lost five pieces of work that ive been doing for past two days, so pissed off
20:49 moiety well not really pissed off, but it wasnt fun. how are you benkay?
20:52 benkay brutal, bruja
20:52 benkay i'm well
20:52 benkay doing some exploratory hacking. it's coming along nicely.
20:53 moiety sounds interesting
20:53 benkay i'm sure you'll see something about it before i die
20:53 benkay but also probably after the cardano ships
20:56 moiety not the smallest window of time XD but i'll wait patiently :]
20:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.06 = 0.66 BTC [+]
20:58 benkay http://bitbet.us/bet/859/cardano-to-ship-in-2014/
20:58 assbot BitBet - Cardano to Ship in 2014 :: 1.08 B (96%) on Yes, 0.05 B (4%) on No | closing in 6 months 1 week| weight: 85`913 (100`000 to 1)
20:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.06 = 1.68 BTC [+]
21:00 benkay TheNewDeal: that TSLA bet is interesting - aren't we p.close to 250 already?
21:00 mike_c TheNewDeal: everyone says that because 1) you can't draw a line from previous diff changes to future (see moore's law), and 2) despite this it just keeps marching up.
21:01 benkay lol ya diff is watching bitbet just to fuck people who bet against it
21:01 TheNewDeal mike_c , what I'm saying is that some people don't know how to calculate a good difficulty
21:01 mike_c diff is mean-spirited asshole.
21:02 TheNewDeal April, May, and :June were all Nos
21:03 mike_c ok, so with your superior prognostication, what weight did you get on the may bet?
21:03 TheNewDeal guess it was just april and may
21:04 TheNewDeal never said I had superior prognostication
21:04 mike_c hehe. it was implied by "some people can't calculate"
21:04 TheNewDeal I bet at the end of march
21:04 TheNewDeal bet was started at the end of january
21:05 TheNewDeal here's the thing
21:05 mike_c k. betting that difficulty won't double in a month is not "betting against diff"
21:05 TheNewDeal The majority of those that bet Yes on May bet early
21:05 TheNewDeal when it's much harder to tell
21:06 TheNewDeal regardless
21:06 TheNewDeal look at the majority of bets there
21:07 TheNewDeal not just my late bet
21:07 TheNewDeal I'm typically a conservative better
21:07 mike_c the majority were late when it was obvious.
21:07 TheNewDeal I would rather earn a sure, small portion, versus risk a lot
21:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14372 @ 0.00080006 = 11.4985 BTC [+]
21:08 TheNewDeal after 84'000 weight, there were only 2 Yes bets
21:08 mike_c all i'm saying is, if you think you have an edge, whip up some IDIFF.SEP contracts.
21:08 TheNewDeal and those people were probably just looking at pot odds
21:08 TheNewDeal I don't have the capital to trade on mpoe
21:08 TheNewDeal would love to, but just not my reality
21:08 mike_c coinbr is full featured these days.
21:09 TheNewDeal staying far from coinbr for the time being
21:09 TheNewDeal no offense, just not my cup of tea
21:09 mike_c why?
21:09 TheNewDeal I trading what I own and owning what I trade
21:09 TheNewDeal i like *
21:09 mike_c you think coinbr is too much counterparty risk?
21:10 mike_c ;;gettrust TheNewDeal jurov
21:10 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask jurov!~jurov@mx.coinbr.com. Trust relationship from user TheNewDeal to user jurov: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=TheNewDeal&dest=jurov | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jurov | Rated since: Fri Jan 20 18:16:32 2012
21:10 TheNewDeal I have no problems with jurov
21:11 mike_c i'm not trying to bust balls, i'm honestly curious.
21:11 TheNewDeal let me throw out a hypothetical here
21:11 TheNewDeal let's say I am comfortable investing 10 BTC through coinbr ( I'm not)
21:12 TheNewDeal to me, a healthy return over one year (in BTC) would be 10%
21:12 TheNewDeal that makes 11 BTC
21:12 TheNewDeal subtract account management fees, and thats 10.76
21:12 mike_c ok, i'm with you
21:13 TheNewDeal with NO withdrawls, that has just taken 1/4 of my profits over a year
21:14 mike_c ok. so point #1, you think it's too expensive. but why wouldn't you be comfortable putting in 10 btc?
21:14 TheNewDeal that's over 1/2 of my ownership
21:15 TheNewDeal not an early adopter
21:15 mike_c but you would be comfortable putting that much on bitbet?
21:15 TheNewDeal most definitely
21:15 TheNewDeal for instance
21:15 TheNewDeal if I put down 10 BTC on this bet http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/
21:15 assbot BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD :: 75 B (15%) on Yes, 415.18 B (85%) on No | closing in 5 months 22 hours | weight: 42`696 (100`000 to 1)
21:15 TheNewDeal the return is sitting at ~9% over a 5 month period
21:16 TheNewDeal and it's a hedge
21:16 mike_c interesting. jurov, you need more WoT :)
21:16 TheNewDeal it has nothing to do with trust
21:16 mike_c well, it does if you're comfortable putting 10 btc in bitbet and not coinbr
21:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9528 @ 0.00080251 = 7.6463 BTC [+]
21:17 TheNewDeal coinbr is restricted to MPOE stocks, and I'm very unfamiliar with them compared to those who trade
21:17 TheNewDeal on bitbet, I can pick and choose what I feel comfortable with
21:17 mike_c ok. lemme ask this then. if you thought you could get a 20% return on coinbr in a year, would you invest 10 btc?
21:18 TheNewDeal perhaps less
21:19 TheNewDeal what I would really like to do is start off with 2 or so BTC until I feel comfortable with it
21:19 TheNewDeal but that would be a waste of money
21:20 mike_c how would you feel if the monthly fee were lower and the trading fees higher?
21:20 TheNewDeal dislike
21:20 mike_c well.. something's gotta cost. brokers aren't free.
21:21 TheNewDeal I would prefer that he were like a hedge fund manager, making % off your winnings
21:21 mike_c hm. hedge fund managers get a fee too.
21:21 mike_c besides performance fees
21:21 kakobrekla depends.
21:21 kakobrekla :D
21:21 TheNewDeal usually is a tiny percentage of what they manage
21:21 punkman tweaked bitbet strategy: 10 BTC for 500x 0.02 bets, net gain 3.92 BTC
21:22 TheNewDeal punkman, have you done this successfully?
21:22 punkman I think I will try
21:22 punkman just testing over past bets
21:22 mike_c except kako, who won't take any money unless he thinks he earns it (very un-hedge fund like)
21:22 kakobrekla lol, less scammy.
21:26 TheNewDeal the thing I also like about bitbet is that you can pick off bets that are almost for sure winners, and look for a certain return
21:26 moiety nothing wrong with that, i'm same
21:26 mike_c right up until you're wrong :)
21:27 moiety how can you be wrong wanting to earn your money XD
21:27 punkman well if this retarded strategy can do 46% I think I got some margin for error
21:28 TheNewDeal that doesnt make sense to me
21:28 TheNewDeal arent you just picking and choosing past bets that would make money?
21:28 punkman no
21:28 TheNewDeal you're betting on everything?
21:28 kakobrekla 46% what ?
21:28 punkman 10.16 BTC in, net gain 4.59 BTC
21:28 punkman betting on no, skipping certain bets
21:28 TheNewDeal lol
21:29 TheNewDeal how would you know which to skip?
21:29 mike_c punkman: you should look into some of the theory about backtesting. like, you can't use the same data you develop your hypothesis on to test your strategy.
21:29 kakobrekla yeap
21:29 kakobrekla well you can
21:29 kakobrekla but it will be shit prolly.
21:29 mike_c heh, yes. "can't" is a strong word.
21:29 kakobrekla :D
21:33 TheNewDeal is there a minimum for password protected bets?
21:33 mike_c TheNewDeal: last comment from me, i'm really not trying to sell you. But that 'tiny percentage' you were talking about from hedge fund managers is usually 2%. which is the same fee as coinbr in your 10 BTC example.
21:34 TheNewDeal 2% is more like a fee for an index fund
21:34 kakobrekla the retarded standard is 2/20
21:34 TheNewDeal 2% fee and 20% of profit?
21:35 kakobrekla yes 2% mgmt fee, 20 profit allocation
21:35 * kakobrekla will burn your money for free.
21:35 TheNewDeal mike_c if you read what I said, I told you that I was NOT comfortable risking 10 BTC on coinbr/mpoe
21:35 TheNewDeal I said something more like 2 BTC to begin with
21:35 mike_c yup, i got that. just talking about the fees.
21:36 TheNewDeal ;;calc .02*12/2
21:36 gribble 0.12
21:36 punkman mike_c, wanna make some synthetic data for testing?
21:37 TheNewDeal punkman, are you betting both sides, or are you just picking winners :p
21:37 mike_c punkman: you can cut up the data you have into pieces. but I really don't think there's enough for much confidence in results.
21:37 mike_c strategy like MPIF's is really based more on a belief about how the system works rather than statistical analysis.
21:38 mike_c but even that was better tested. hypothesis was formed before the analysis, not as a result of the analysis.
21:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 57 @ 0.02021088 = 1.152 BTC [-] {4}
21:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00080649 = 12.7829 BTC [+]
21:43 TheNewDeal mike_c my reason against coinbr is more of opportunity cost versus harboring any malice against the site or jurov
21:43 mike_c understood. i just see you as a good potential customer for coinbr, so I was trying to dig into why you were hesitant. i think i get it.
21:44 TheNewDeal quiz question. If I were on coinbr, and then bought a MPOE account, what would he charge to transfer shares
21:45 mike_c i believe withdrawal/asset transfers are the same
21:45 TheNewDeal gotcha
21:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 33 @ 0.01969756 = 0.65 BTC [-] {5}
21:51 TheNewDeal okay so I'm reading jurov's writeup on x.diff
21:52 TheNewDeal I never knew about the collateral cap on payout
21:55 ThickAsThieves a couple times a year jurov and i give mp a hard time about x.diff design
21:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 70 @ 0.06499999 = 4.55 BTC [+] {2}
21:55 TheNewDeal I'm really confused tho
21:56 TheNewDeal where's the money to be made for those that mkfut ?
21:56 ThickAsThieves fwiw, if that TSLA bitbet gets approved, i'll play
21:56 TheNewDeal which side will you bet :D
21:57 ThickAsThieves i'd need to chart it more
21:57 ThickAsThieves i'd say yes probly
21:57 Bet created: "Contador wins Tour De France" http://bitbet.us/bet/952/
21:57 TheNewDeal Dec 14 option for $250 is selling for a premium of 18$
21:57 ThickAsThieves i have a top around there though
21:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.0185 = 0.925 BTC [+]
21:59 decimation "mircea_popescu: well, for one if you fly high enough you don't actually have to report" << it's my understanding that you must file with IFR, which is generally high flight. Flying low in clear air (VFR) would be the ticket.
21:59 decimation but even then, "they" are tracking you: http://www.flightradar24.com/how-it-works
21:59 assbot How it works - Flightradar24.com - Live flight tracker!
22:00 decimation MLAT In some regions with coverage from several FR24-receivers we also calculate positions of aircraft with the help of Multilateration (MLAT), by using a method known as Time Difference of Arrival (TDOA). ... That means that MLAT coverage can only be achieved above about 10000 feet as the probability that signal can be received by four or more receivers increases with increased altitude.
22:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.065 = 0.91 BTC [+] {3}
22:01 Bet created: "True Detective to win Drama Emmy" http://bitbet.us/bet/953/
22:01 decimation except... " Blocking For security and privacy reasons information about some aircraft is limited or blocked." I wonder how you get into their wot?
22:02 TheNewDeal if all flights were tracked so damn well at least I would have to wake up to another fucking Flight 379 update
22:02 decimation you mean 370?
22:02 TheNewDeal yes
22:02 TheNewDeal -9
22:02 decimation well, the data these guys use comes from "volunteers" who operate receivers attached to internet connection
22:03 decimation not many of them in turd world countries or the ocean...
22:03 TheNewDeal I will happily trade my constant position location as long as I don't have to have another one of those updates. Do you hear me Big Brother? You've finally won
22:03 TheNewDeal just quit the tortute already
22:04 decimation if you really want to move about mostly unbothered, I suggest a submarine. Or walk.
22:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3717 @ 0.00080481 = 2.9915 BTC [-]
22:10 decimation re: flew plane into IRS building: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Austin_suicide_attack
22:10 assbot 2010 Austin suicide attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
22:11 TheNewDeal holy shit! only two people died?
22:11 Bet created: "Bitcoin VC investments over $300 million in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/954/
22:12 decimation "Introduced by Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Section 1706 added a subsection (d) to Section 530 of the Revenue Act of 1978, which removed "safe harbor" exception for independent contractor classification (which at the time avoided payroll taxes) for workers such as engineers, designers, drafters, computer professionals, and "similarly skilled" workers."
22:14 decimation Congress took away the presumption that engineers can work as independent contractors, thus reducing their ability to be self employed.
22:15 decimation whereas real estate agents have a "very special tax status" http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/real-estate-agent-special-classification-rules-for-independent-contractor-status.html
22:15 assbot Real Estate Agent Special Classification Rules For Independent Contractor Status | Nolo.com
22:15 decimation they are automatically considered to be independent contractors even when employed and given a salary.
22:16 Bet created: "Tesla stock to close at over $250 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/955/
22:18 TheNewDeal here it is punkman, begin your hypothesis test on a fresh bet
22:19 decimation now, why do you suppose those who work in the bezzle economy are showered with special favors while those who work in the "real economy" are treated as serfs?
22:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27638 @ 0.00080803 = 22.3323 BTC [+] {3}
22:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 27 @ 0.06799962 = 1.836 BTC [+] {2}
22:27 decimation http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/19/markets-precious-idUSL4N0P025U20140619
22:27 assbot PRECIOUS-Gold surges 3 pct in 'frantic' short covering after Fed| Reuters
22:27 decimation presumably this is also good news for those long bitcoin
22:30 decimation asciilifeform - I was spec'ing some Intel chips today, and realized that their marketing strategy (for all segments) relies on maximally obfuscating the functionality of their products
22:31 TheNewDeal hahahah
22:31 TheNewDeal and somehow they continue to make a profit...
22:32 decimation well, a large chunk of "computer" "purchasers" have no idea what the hell they are buying, so I can see why they would do it
22:32 decimation it's hard to convince even the dumbest of the masses to pay more for less ... unless they don't know they are buying
22:33 TheNewDeal I would assume corportations buy more computers than people though
22:33 TheNewDeal doesn't necessarily negate your point, but
22:33 decimation a big chunk of corporate 'buyers' would really be happy with a slightly updated wang word processor
22:35 decimation I use the scare quotes for "buyer" because I'm not sure the word applies to someone giving money to someone in exchange for something they don't understand
22:35 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.068 = 0.952 BTC [+]
22:36 TheNewDeal you're taking most of the buyers out of the world economy with that statement
22:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00080678 = 24.2034 BTC [-] {2}
22:37 decimation indeed.
22:37 moiety http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/06/google-unveils-independent-fork-of-openssl-called-boringssl/
22:37 assbot Google unveils independent fork of OpenSSL called BoringSSL | Ars Technica
22:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00080481 = 1.9315 BTC [-]
22:42 mike_c dig @54.197.241.190 seeds.therealaltcoin.org
22:42 mike_c ^ altcoin-seeder seems to be working
22:47 mike_c so ThickAsThieves, if you put a nameserver record in your DNS (NS, not an A record) pointing seeds.therealaltcoin.org at the above IP address, we should have seeding.
22:48 mike_c source code will have to be updated too obv, to add seeds.therealtco.org to the inital seed list.
22:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 54 @ 0.01858999 = 1.0039 BTC [+]
22:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11888 @ 0.00080424 = 9.5608 BTC [-] {3}
22:55 TheNewDeal what happens to collateral when one sells an xdiff?
22:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.0008095 = 19.0637 BTC [+] {2}
22:58 kakobrekla just wanna say before it go, mthreats search === awesome
23:02 decimation are you going to make the logs searchable with his software?
23:04 mthreat yep
23:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00080996 = 3.0374 BTC [+]
23:07 decimation mthreat your highest google result is the bbs interview - I like your model M keyboard in the background
23:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00080999 = 5.3054 BTC [+]
23:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.068 = 1.36 BTC [+]
23:22 mthreat decimation: ya that loud ass keyboard
23:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00080353 = 4.2989 BTC [-]
23:29 mthreat !up napedia
23:30 mthreat !up napedia
23:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8234 @ 0.00080353 = 6.6163 BTC [-]
23:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.06829404 = 1.161 BTC [+] {5}
23:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00080651 = 18.3884 BTC [+] {2}
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