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00:52 mircea_popescu in other sorta-lulz : ewing's sarcoma is an extrmely rare (sarcomas are in general rare in humans, but this is bone-ish origin, so even rarer) that presents in about 5 cases per million in the us, about 2 cases per million in the rest of the "industrialized world" aka pantsuitlands, and sub 1 per million in the rest of the world in general.
00:52 mircea_popescu HOWEVER it presents in 3 cases per 20 kids in a "temporary class" in north carolina while their school underwent renovation.
00:53 mircea_popescu all i can say is thank you hillary clinton for stopping smoking.
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09:06 asciilifeform !!deed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LQWT8/?raw=true
09:06 deedbot accepted: 1
09:06 asciilifeform mod6, mircea_popescu , ben_vulpes , trinque , et al, plox to update noad tables.
09:07 asciilifeform ( asciilifeform's local isp has dynamic ip, but changes erry other year or so )
09:07 asciilifeform pretty annoying, actually, every yr i wake up to a mess of broken ssh pipes...
09:14 asciilifeform trb noad is up again as of nao.
09:15 asciilifeform ( tbf, was up previously, simply returning old ip to peers )
09:18 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-01#1838902 << was rereading this thread, and realized that sadly nodice: 16bit (late years) isa, x 8MHz gives you 16MB/sec theoretical max, which is no kind of serious scope at all
09:18 a111 Logged on 2018-08-01 22:29 mircea_popescu: (if the putative fast oscilloscope ever got interfaced with killer micro box, it'd be through isa also, i'm sure.)
09:18 asciilifeform if one is willing to dispense with vintage cards, and take it to the 20MHz or so (beyond which the capacitance of the contacts becomes problem) that's still not anywhere near GB/s
09:21 asciilifeform however! this does not mean that the 'progress' idiocy where they replaced isa with a stateful monstrosity, is justified -- one could still have an isa-style bus today (i.e. directly addressable by cpu, and cards have simple 'is this for me?' logic, rather than book-length ???? )
09:22 asciilifeform but point being, 'killer scope' won't be plugged into same bus as soundblaster16...
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10:15 deedbot http://deedbot.org/bundle-534848.txt
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10:47 asciilifeform meanwhile, in dept of 'the lady doth protest too much', http://www.contravex.com/#footnote_12_21699
10:48 mod6 asciilifeform: ack, will update here sometime today
10:49 asciilifeform ty mod6
10:52 asciilifeform diana_coman, mircea_popescu : i'd still recommend adding a timeout ( and log alarm if it ever actually times out ) to the FG reader in the s.mg routine -- it isn't physically impossible for the box to die
10:54 asciilifeform ( theoretical lifetime of FG is anywhere from 30+ yrs , until electron migration nails the eeprom in the cpld , but nobody actually knows, tho fwiw this particular chip existed since 1997 iirc and no known failures , so lives at least this long )
10:55 asciilifeform the added bonus would be that if run on a misconfigured system, it will do something moar informative than simply hang.
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11:30 asciilifeform meanwhile, in resurrected vintage lulz : linus agreed ( https://archive.is/aFETR ) to merge the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-12#1796987 shitshow into kernel .
11:30 a111 Logged on 2018-04-12 15:22 asciilifeform: zx2c4: author of 'wireguard' ?
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11:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform was it capped at 8mz ?!
11:49 mircea_popescu note, i said agpx!
11:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: wasn't capped, originally was 1:1 with cpu clock, then starting with 386 or so started being divide-by-4
11:51 mircea_popescu i kinda missed that memo.
11:51 asciilifeform and lol agp ( interesting q, did anybody ever make something other than a vga card for it ? or for that matter, a mb with >1 hole )
11:51 mircea_popescu why lol ?
11:51 mircea_popescu afaik it even comes double-stacked on some boards, and is UTTERLY capable of gb/sa
11:51 mircea_popescu afaik also isa-on-steroids, but i've never looked THAT closely
11:51 asciilifeform lived for quite short time ( asciilifeform has all sorts of vintage gear but 0 boxen with agp remaining )
11:52 mircea_popescu sure as fuck it isn't the level of mess of usb.
11:52 mircea_popescu i have some.
11:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it was moar interesting than this, was a ~port~ rather than bus, dedicated thing
11:52 mircea_popescu right.
11:52 asciilifeform sadly extinct.
11:52 mircea_popescu most of the vidcards are like are agp
11:52 mircea_popescu not fucking extinct at all!
11:52 asciilifeform well extinct in the dec alpha sense. ( 0 made since, idk, '07 ? )
11:53 mircea_popescu i wouldn't even bet on that.
11:53 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what's your most recent mb with said hole ?
11:53 mircea_popescu but i do have 2-hole board right here, and the vga card to go with it.
11:54 mircea_popescu hmmm.... lessee
11:54 asciilifeform all i've left re agp, is the bound paper standard (yes..) . and it indeed permitted 2 holes ! but i've not ever encountered a mb that had the 2nd one populated
11:57 asciilifeform ( my one gripe re agp, and i suspect the reason why nobody afaik made e.g. disk controller for it , is that it had asymmetric bw -- substantially faster output than input ; thing was specifically sharpened for vga )
11:58 mircea_popescu jesus this will take some degriming.
11:58 mircea_popescu asciilifeform afaik it's just pci tweaked.
11:58 asciilifeform right, but tweaked in particular direction.
12:09 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: loox like last agp item ever mass marketed was radeon 4670 ( itself a rarity ), circa '08
12:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform item is asrock, 939dual. here's a shot : https://i.testfreaks.com/images/products/340x170/247/asrock-939dual-sata2.888823.jpg
12:11 mircea_popescu (not mine)
12:11 mircea_popescu can't really tell when it was discontinued, or if. vendor actually still carries it : https://www.asrock.com/mb/ULi/939Dual-SATA2/index.asp
12:12 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i see 2 diff slots in there ( not counting pci )
12:12 mircea_popescu right
12:12 asciilifeform what's the middle slot ? ( it isn't pin-compat with the yellow agp )
12:13 mircea_popescu of course from looking at their actual specs, they list "- 1 x AGP8X/4X slot, 1.5V only - PCI Express x16 slot" rather than dual agp per se.
12:13 mircea_popescu afaik agp ~= pci-e, but i suppose technically i might've actually misunderstood what's going on in my mobo ?!
12:13 mircea_popescu tbh i've not even thought about any of this in decade+.
12:16 asciilifeform pcie is the current pci ( as seen in e.g. the pizarro boxen )
12:17 asciilifeform agp was 1999-2008, roughly item, double-stacked pins, afaik only vga cards made for it.
12:19 asciilifeform http://www.asrock.com/mb/ULi/939Dual-SATA2 << your vintage mb . 1 agp slot, 3 trad pci, 2 pcie , and... 1 oddball 'future cpu slot', nfi if anything ever sold for it
12:19 asciilifeform ( this was a kind of pestilence in early 2000s, there were 5-6 types of vendor-proprietary wtf-slots, afaik ~0 products sold for'em )
12:19 mircea_popescu no that's amd's mid 2010s chips
12:20 mircea_popescu well, maybe early.
12:20 asciilifeform for all i know, still going, somewhere.
12:20 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know the vidcard actually has two feet, in both mid slots.
12:20 asciilifeform iirc agp '8x' had the 2nd foot
12:21 * asciilifeform has dusty old geforce4 , with these
12:21 mircea_popescu so the idea is, 2nd was only used for power or what am i missing ?
12:21 asciilifeform power
12:21 mircea_popescu hm.
12:21 asciilifeform and iirc was also attempt to cure the plague of massively-heatsinked gpu monster popping out of the slot during transport
12:22 mircea_popescu who the hell doesn't take it out ? can actually break the connector pcb part.
12:23 mircea_popescu aaanyway. so it turns out "2 slot" is really 2010s era fakery, not really used as such. and i fell for it!
12:23 * mircea_popescu gotta remember he's well advised to not put his 20yo self unfiltered in the chan, lol.
12:23 asciilifeform lol
12:24 * asciilifeform now has the notion that he has a board exactly like mircea_popescu's at the bottom of some ancient crate...
12:25 mircea_popescu kinda what threw me, "wtf are you talking rare, these were so pestilentially common for a summer or two even i ended up with some".
12:25 mircea_popescu but at least we figured out "vidcards i like" has~nothing to do with "dual slut", everything to do with ~how agp8x even is~.
12:25 mircea_popescu uhm, i mean slot. slot. srsly now. not freudian at all.
12:25 asciilifeform heh
12:36 asciilifeform from asciilifeform's pov, 2007-9 was 'peak mobo'. e.g. the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1871 opteron, still in service, is circa '07 with '09 cpus
12:37 asciilifeform ( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-20#725784 )
12:37 a111 Logged on 2014-06-20 19:17 asciilifeform even now running amd hardware ('tyan' circa 2007) largely because amd mobos with ecc support and multiple pcie-16 slots have vanished into some mysterious black hole.
12:40 asciilifeform thing has all of the slots in use, even.
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12:56 mircea_popescu just about.
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14:05 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/ye-autre-damozel/ << Trilema - Ye autre damozel.
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15:46 diana_coman BingoBoingo, please plug back in the 2nd FG on smg test server; anytime in the next 10 hours is fine, I'll shutdown the machine now
15:56 BingoBoingo diana_coman: ty, I'll head over there in a little bit
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16:39 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/08/yet-another-unhackable-and-tamperproof-hardware-wallet-hacked-and-tampered/ << Qntra - Yet Another 'Unhackable' And 'Tamperproof' Hardware Wallet Hacked And Tampered
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16:55 asciilifeform bahahahaha
16:56 asciilifeform 'wireless hardware wallet' extra lolz
17:00 BingoBoingo tyvm
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19:27 BingoBoingo diana_coman: You are plugged in once again
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21:01 hanbot diana_coman http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QZ6cM/?raw=true
21:09 deedbot http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/08/02/selected-costs-associated-with-furnishing-casa-boingo-for-the-curious/ << Bingo Blog - Selected Costs Associated With Furnishing Casa Boingo For The Curious
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21:30 mod6 asciilifeform: Ok, the Advertised Republican Node List has been updated with Zoolag's new IP.
21:31 asciilifeform ty mod6
21:32 asciilifeform dun forget to update your -addnode=.... folx.
21:44 mod6 ^ good call.
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22:32 mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-27#1837996 << mircea_popescu thanks for starting this up
22:32 a111 Logged on 2018-07-27 16:33 lobbesbot: AUCTION # 338 STARTED by mircea_popescu: 8.2k wFF q0 Opening: 1bn coppers Ending: 2018-08-03 16:33:06 UTC (168 hours)
22:34 mod6 So let's talk through this a bit, I want to try to understand fully here, and perhaps others do as well...
22:35 mod6 if I wanted to bid on the wFF (wired filthy fiats), i might for instance take the current price, $7,333 USD/BTC price and then bid as such:
22:35 mod6 !Qcalc 1-(7333/8200)
22:35 lobbesbot mod6: 0.105731707317
22:36 mod6 !Qcalc (1+0.10573170)*100
22:36 lobbesbot mod6: 110.57317
22:37 mod6 whoops
22:37 mod6 !Qcalc (1+0.10573170)*10
22:37 lobbesbot mod6: 11.057317
22:37 mod6 denominated in ECU?
22:37 mod6 1.10573170 BTC
22:38 mod6 then if I should win the bid, the filthy fiats are wired to whatever bank eh?
22:39 mod6 BingoBoingo: are you in a position to be able to receive the $2050 or so per/month that you need for this from a bank wire?
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23:37 mircea_popescu mod6 yes.
23:38 mircea_popescu there's 1bn ecu to the btc atm.
23:38 mircea_popescu but i suppose if you search well you might even have that much in your acct.
23:44 mod6 ah, ok thanks mircea_popescu
23:45 mircea_popescu anyway, logically just tell the dc they're getting a large chunk payment towards your acct, and it takes care of however many months or w/e. i guess. dunno, your show.
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