01:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10060 @ 0.00082725 = 8.3221 BTC [+] |
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~ 17 minutes ~ |
01:17 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43350 @ 0.0008237 = 35.7074 BTC [-] {3} |
01:18 |
moiety |
http://lovemeow.com/2014/06/cat-and-lynx-become-inseparable-friends/ :D |
01:18 |
assbot |
Cat And Lynx Become Inseparable Friends |
01:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 500 @ 0.00227025 = 1.1351 BTC [+] {3} |
01:30 |
Apocalyptic |
;;calc 1.3462**1.04 |
01:30 |
gribble |
1.36230380511 |
01:30 |
Apocalyptic |
Mats_cd03, ^ |
01:36 |
FabianB |
mircea_popescu: jurov: it should do bait << it should do mp approved bait. <-- it kind of does now, even probably not what you expected |
01:47 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Vexual |
01:48 |
BingoBoingo |
;;bc,stats |
01:48 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 306443 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 2004 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 10 hours, 50 minutes, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11878747551.5 | Estimated Percent Change: -11.7647 |
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~ 28 minutes ~ |
02:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2980 @ 0.00082725 = 2.4652 BTC [+] |
02:17 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.20023447 = 0.6007 BTC [-] {2} |
02:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21750 @ 0.00082464 = 17.9359 BTC [-] {2} |
02:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40750 @ 0.00082731 = 33.7129 BTC [+] {2} |
02:44 |
moiety |
!up Vexual |
02:46 |
moiety |
!up Vexual |
02:46 |
Vexual |
ohai |
02:46 |
moiety |
hai :] |
02:47 |
Vexual |
whats new? |
02:51 |
Apocalyptic |
so Argentina is refusing to pay some US hedge funds some settlement on their debt |
02:52 |
Vexual |
yeah i read that 1.5 bn |
02:52 |
Vexual |
can't afford it ? |
02:53 |
moiety |
what will happen next? |
02:53 |
Vexual |
they will still not afford it |
02:53 |
moiety |
will it just stalemate? |
02:54 |
Apocalyptic |
apparently they sent a couple of lawyers to NY |
02:54 |
Apocalyptic |
to "discuss" the matter with the judge that ordered them to pay |
02:54 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2001 = 0.6003 BTC [-] |
02:54 |
Apocalyptic |
Vexual, apparently it's more like 15 bn in total |
02:54 |
Vexual |
o |
02:55 |
Apocalyptic |
the 2 funds in question are indeed owed 1.4, but this settlement will trigger payments to others funds too |
02:55 |
Apocalyptic |
from what I read |
02:56 |
Apocalyptic |
central bank reserves in USD are 28,5 bn |
02:56 |
Apocalyptic |
kind of a big chunk |
02:58 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.18952502 = 0.7581 BTC [-] {4} |
02:59 |
Vexual |
i guess they owe germany gold then? |
03:01 |
Vexual |
nothing a few thousand men couldn't scratch off the surface in a month |
03:02 |
Apocalyptic |
speaking of germany and gold |
03:02 |
Apocalyptic |
I wonder how much US sent them back so far |
03:03 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 71 @ 0.02999989 = 2.13 BTC [+] {2} |
03:04 |
Vexual |
fucking nada |
03:07 |
moiety |
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-27884323 |
03:07 |
assbot |
BBC News - Hidden painting found under Picasso's The Blue Room |
03:07 |
Vexual |
those suits sent to ny will do well to slow proceedings |
03:08 |
Vexual |
no wonder that guy sells for big money |
03:10 |
moiety |
buy one, get one free! |
03:12 |
Vexual |
a proper old picasso print can be had for 1nc |
03:12 |
Vexual |
or real coin even |
03:14 |
fluffypony |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=655464.0 |
03:14 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] DataTank Mining: 1.2MW 3M Novec Immersion Cooled 2PH Mining Container |
03:14 |
fluffypony |
so now everyone is rushing to verify that this is "nothing like Neo & Bee" |
03:14 |
fluffypony |
gotta love that group due diligence |
03:15 |
fluffypony |
"aving been in communication with these guys a bit I can say that they are definitely not NEO & BEE types. These guys definitely know what they are doing and they have proven that they can deliver since they have already done so. Unlike many offerings, their technical skills and abilities are pretty well proven." |
03:16 |
moiety |
because technical ability stops you running off with peoples monies |
03:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00082789 = 12.5839 BTC [+] {2} |
03:16 |
moiety |
!up Vexual |
03:17 |
fluffypony |
obviously |
03:18 |
Vexual |
hif is buy now? |
03:19 |
Vexual |
looks like havelocks answer to ghash |
03:19 |
Vexual |
and it'd be timed exactly right if not for the 3-6 month deployment time |
03:21 |
fluffypony |
yeah |
03:27 |
Vexual |
but it smells like catpiss and the cat is technique |
03:30 |
Vexual |
pankakke? |
03:31 |
jurov |
;;bc,stats |
03:31 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 306455 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 1992 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 12 hours, 20 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12833387688.7 | Estimated Percent Change: -4.67364 |
03:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00082264 = 10.2419 BTC [-] |
03:33 |
Vexual |
the prospectus has anxpro on a cg container, are they affiliated? |
03:35 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SHA] 25 @ 0.042 = 1.05 BTC |
03:43 |
Vexual |
plus token white dude, dollar exchange, mining, stock market |
03:43 |
Vexual |
;;8ball |
03:43 |
gribble |
One would be wise to think so. |
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~ 22 minutes ~ |
04:05 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.21889486 = 0.8756 BTC [+] {4} |
04:07 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.21929955 = 1.0965 BTC [+] {4} |
04:14 |
pankkake |
"their technical skills and abilities are pretty well proven" => same was said about kslaugther, presented as some rock star entrepreneur and engineer (when he was neither) |
04:15 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony neobee TYPES mind you. |
04:16 |
mircea_popescu |
these schmucks have sunk in the research and classifieds the typology nao. |
04:16 |
mircea_popescu |
the archetype of the neobee being, of course, that antonoderpulous guy. |
04:17 |
Apocalyptic |
pankkake, so was Zhou |
04:19 |
fluffypony |
yeah |
04:19 |
fluffypony |
well I had my say on the thread |
04:19 |
fluffypony |
and, of course, jimmothy is being retarded: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=655464.msg7375512#msg7375512 |
04:19 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] DataTank Mining: 1.2MW 3M Novec Immersion Cooled 2PH Mining Container |
04:20 |
pankkake |
his blind hate for anything MP |
04:20 |
mircea_popescu |
wait im involved ? |
04:20 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: I dared to mention that a WoT presence might be a good starting point |
04:21 |
jurov |
"it was pretty hard to not reach a positive ROI by now with most asics." this doesn't have anything to do with mp |
04:21 |
mircea_popescu |
lol how's wot mp related |
04:21 |
Apocalyptic |
fluffypony, "Additionally, don't confuse the possibility of them being fiat profitable with them being Bitcoin profitable" too many derps don't distinguish between the two and will generally eagerly settle for the former |
04:21 |
mircea_popescu |
also most asics actually got no +roi. |
04:21 |
mircea_popescu |
$bait |
04:21 |
pankkake |
I don't mean made by MP |
04:22 |
mircea_popescu |
Apocalyptic that's a problem, yeah. |
04:22 |
pankkake |
!up Vexual |
04:22 |
mircea_popescu |
the stupidity of people holding bitcoin is the one thing that can hurt bitcoin (as evidenced by say the pirate debacle, or by the fact that a million fucktarded stoners managed to give the usg a gift of 20k ish btcs) |
04:22 |
mircea_popescu |
luckily that tends to be a self-limiting problem |
04:23 |
mircea_popescu |
FabianB how does it do bait ? |
04:23 |
pankkake |
I hope you're right |
04:23 |
mircea_popescu |
pankkake well, it's finite see. the only way they can do something stupid in the first place is by giving it away |
04:23 |
mircea_popescu |
that's the definition of self limiting |
04:24 |
mircea_popescu |
Vexual: can't afford it ? << actually, they could, they just dun want to. |
04:24 |
mircea_popescu |
moiety: what will happen next? <<< probably us court will try to confiscate various argentine assets in various countries, further straining its relations with the world. |
04:25 |
mircea_popescu |
Apocalyptic: I wonder how much US sent them back so far << the us had more sense than to put a clause in there that the matter is to be judged according to frankfurt law. |
04:26 |
mircea_popescu |
"They have something better than WOT. Real names and real business experience." ahahaha help me rwanda. |
04:26 |
fluffypony |
I know |
04:26 |
Apocalyptic |
mircea_popescu, in the meantime i read that they are planning to get 50% back to frankfurt in a matter of seven years or so |
04:26 |
Apocalyptic |
so it's too soon to tell how it's going |
04:26 |
mircea_popescu |
Apocalyptic they're also planning tobalance the budget |
04:27 |
mircea_popescu |
over about the same timeframe |
04:27 |
mircea_popescu |
or wait, was that, they're planning to actually send congress a budget at all, like required by law ? |
04:30 |
Apocalyptic |
<mircea_popescu> Vexual: can't afford it ? << actually, they could, they just dun want to. // yeah they could at the expense of roughly half their USD reserves |
04:30 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony " Given how reliant this company is on paying backend costs in fiat" I don't follow this part. |
04:30 |
mircea_popescu |
why would fiat costs pose a problem ? it's quite clear why fiat revenues are a problem for reits etc, but costs ? |
04:30 |
mircea_popescu |
Apocalyptic right. |
04:30 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: in other words, if they were paying staff and rent in Bitcoin they could present a business plan with amounts in Bitcoin |
04:31 |
fluffypony |
but they're reliant on the exchange-rate-at-the-time costs are due |
04:31 |
mircea_popescu |
so ? |
04:32 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-04-28/ |
04:32 |
assbot |
How to fail gracefully as a Bitcoin business |
04:33 |
fluffypony |
having fiat-denominated expenses is not in and of itself bad, but they're going to sink virtually the entire amount into fiat costs up-front |
04:33 |
fluffypony |
to pay for equipment etc. etc. |
04:33 |
mircea_popescu |
o well say it like that then |
04:33 |
mircea_popescu |
that makes sense. |
04:33 |
fluffypony |
-1 point for fluffyclarity |
04:34 |
mircea_popescu |
"by investing in this company you're buying chunks of a dollar-denominated investment, because they mostly plan to sell your bitcoin and pay off fiat costs." |
04:34 |
fluffypony |
yarp |
04:34 |
mircea_popescu |
it's funny tho, that completely disqualifies thyem from any sort of experience or competence in the field |
04:34 |
mircea_popescu |
quite contrary to that derps claims. |
04:35 |
mircea_popescu |
luckily we have years of amassed history and discussion to establish what competence/experience are, what they do and how they look like. |
04:39 |
mircea_popescu |
Mark Serbu told us, I refused to sell my rifles to the NYPD, and when I talked about it online, it blew up like crazy. Everybody liked the idea of a gun law biting the government on the ass. There are only two manufacturers of semi-automatic 50-caliber rifles in the US, and neither will sell to the NYPD. This is like, Screw you, New York. People are less safe without our rifles to protect you. |
04:40 |
mircea_popescu |
i had no idea they used the barrett as an anti-personnel device on the streets of the asphalt jungle |
04:41 |
mircea_popescu |
the army mostly uses it to blow up explosives iirc |
04:42 |
BingoBoingo |
Also works on trucks |
04:42 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess it'd work on anything short of a tank |
04:45 |
BingoBoingo |
Pretty much anything not specifically designed to prevent it working, with exception as defined by the laws of physics (mountains, clouds, the sun...) |
04:46 |
mircea_popescu |
i suppose the wanna-be cool dorks love it because it's so BIG and it looks JUST LIKE IN TH MOVIES OMAYGAWD |
04:46 |
mircea_popescu |
god help you if you have to use the thing indoors tho |
04:49 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony btw that article is quite useful |
04:49 |
mircea_popescu |
but srsly, make better urls. |
04:49 |
fluffypony |
I have already, will go fix past articles a bit later |
04:50 |
mircea_popescu |
a cool. |
04:50 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: But expensive things with niche uses when less expensive more general purpose tools of quality are available is the American way!!! |
04:50 |
mircea_popescu |
One thing to note is that, generally speaking, a Bitcoin/altcoin mining operation is strictly profitable from a fiat perspective. Anyone who thinks theyre profitable from a BTC perspective needs to take a cold, hard look at the data for the past few years, and needs to couple the historical data with the inevitable delays when pre-ordering mining equipment. << this is quite true. |
04:50 |
mircea_popescu |
bitcoin mining is a perfect avenue for large players to dodge tax, whcih is why the hash is going quite so nuts. |
04:50 |
fluffypony |
yes |
04:50 |
mircea_popescu |
rack up the fiat expenses so you don't make a profit, take the bitcoin home. |
04:51 |
fluffypony |
but it serves no practical purpose as an investment vehicle for those already holding Bitcoin (or who are buying Bitcoin on a monthly basis with their fiat earnings) |
04:51 |
mircea_popescu |
on top of that there's some... maybe 1-2% by now, amateurs that get to jerkoff to the thought that they're "just as much a part of bitcoin AS ANYONE" |
04:52 |
mircea_popescu |
they used to be 10% earlier this year. then again they used to be 100% a coupla years ago |
04:52 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo only recently. didn't use to be. |
04:53 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves so is atc taking over the ltc role ? |
04:53 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: American's didn't have the too much money problem until recently though (1950's) Kids who grew up with that mindset run the show nao though... or at least imagine they do |
04:54 |
mircea_popescu |
sad but true |
04:55 |
BingoBoingo |
All of these people who grew up when the rest of the world was crippled now imagine it still is. |
04:55 |
BingoBoingo |
%book |
04:55 |
atcbot |
35k@250 2k@240 16k@235 | 5k@150 49k@143 175k@142 |
04:55 |
mircea_popescu |
how did the volume go again ? |
04:56 |
mircea_popescu |
%help |
04:56 |
atcbot |
%t | %ticker | %book | %diff | %tx <tx_id> | %bal <address> | %mined | %block <block_height> | %lb | %tslb | %cm | %ptp | %help | %h |
04:56 |
mircea_popescu |
%t |
04:56 |
atcbot |
[X-BT] Bid: 150 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 7k High: 235 Low: 150 VWAP: 156 |
04:56 |
mircea_popescu |
aha |
04:56 |
mircea_popescu |
%diff |
04:56 |
atcbot |
[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 430638.11 in 667 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -39.80 |
04:56 |
Apocalyptic |
it's in quiet mode before the diff retarget |
04:56 |
Apocalyptic |
will bring the hoppers back |
04:56 |
mircea_popescu |
seems so yeah. |
04:57 |
mircea_popescu |
funny tho the lockstep way it works. 1k - 4k - 1.5k - 5k - 2k - 7k - 5k diff sort of thing |
04:57 |
mircea_popescu |
seems the hopper's "optimisation" is nothing but a dream in their head |
04:57 |
mircea_popescu |
since they'll be counting the "high" 5k as "low" six weeks later anyway |
04:57 |
mircea_popescu |
might as well just have mined all through. |
04:58 |
Apocalyptic |
well the hooper's "optimisation" is disturbed by unbalanced's plan somehow |
04:58 |
mircea_popescu |
course this is a fact people who aren't familiar with atc history probably easily miss. |
04:58 |
Apocalyptic |
dunno if he started earlier than this diff period though |
04:58 |
BingoBoingo |
%t |
04:58 |
atcbot |
[X-BT] Bid: 160 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 7k High: 235 Low: 150 VWAP: 156 |
04:58 |
mircea_popescu |
Apocalyptic i suspect it's only disrupted by the fact that atc has the sort of backing that makes it not go anywhere. it's nailed straight to the sun as it were. |
04:59 |
mircea_popescu |
this bit of info'd quite change the optimisation, if they had it. |
04:59 |
BingoBoingo |
%book |
04:59 |
atcbot |
35k@250 2k@240 16k@235 | 250k@160 500k@151 5k@150 |
04:59 |
Apocalyptic |
mircea_popescu, it may well be so |
05:00 |
Apocalyptic |
http://www.boursorama.com/actualites/pour-la-cour-des-comptes-il-faut-baisser-le-nombre-de-fonctionnaires-ba3764c288078d33b05b57007f1062dc |
05:00 |
assbot |
Pour la Cour des comptes, il faut baisser le nombre de fonctionnaires |
05:00 |
Apocalyptic |
french people finally wake up |
05:00 |
BingoBoingo |
%t |
05:01 |
atcbot |
[X-BT] Bid: 160 Ask: 201 Last Price: 160 24h-Vol: 7k High: 235 Low: 150 VWAP: 156 |
05:01 |
mircea_popescu |
hahaha |
05:01 |
mircea_popescu |
how many are they anyway ? 20mn ? |
05:01 |
BingoBoingo |
;;ticker |
05:01 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 607.51, Best ask: 609.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.49000, Last trade: 609.0, 24 hour volume: 8473.12848309, 24 hour low: 586.84, 24 hour high: 616.0, 24 hour vwap: 604.991375459 |
05:01 |
Apocalyptic |
i wouldn't hazard a guess, too much for sure |
05:01 |
pankkake |
Apocalyptic: la Cour des comptes has been saying smart things for years, and has been ignored all the way |
05:01 |
Apocalyptic |
yeah pankkake |
05:02 |
pankkake |
http://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/societe/les-intermittents-du-spectacle-occupent-la-cour-des-comptes_1499906.html |
05:02 |
assbot |
Les intermittents du spectacle occupent la Cour des comptes - L'Express |
05:02 |
BingoBoingo |
%tslb |
05:02 |
atcbot |
-9 minutes and 49 seconds |
05:02 |
mircea_popescu |
ahahaha |
05:02 |
BingoBoingo |
^ mod6 negative %tslb??? |
05:02 |
assbot |
Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/237PFCH.txt ) |
05:02 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 3 |
05:02 |
pankkake |
(translation : highly subsidied fake artists occupy the Court of Accounts) |
05:03 |
BingoBoingo |
%book |
05:03 |
atcbot |
2k@240 16k@235 50k@201 | 250k@160 500k@151 5k@150 |
05:04 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/547767/unisys_phasing_decades-old_mainframe_processor_x86_chips/ |
05:04 |
assbot |
Unisys phasing out decades-old mainframe processor for x86 chips - Computerworld |
05:05 |
pankkake |
http://boingboing.net/2014/06/16/i-stopped-a-10-million-dollar.html |
05:05 |
assbot |
I stopped a ten million dollar robbery - Boing Boing |
05:05 |
jurov |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/06/03/the-secret-service-wants-software-that-detects-social-media-sarcasm-yeah-sure-it-will-work/ |
05:05 |
assbot |
The Secret Service wants software that detects social media sarcasm. Yeah, sure it will work. - The Washington Post |
05:06 |
jurov |
"Ability to detect sarcasm and false positives," the request reads. |
05:06 |
Apocalyptic |
jurov, at this point it must be trolling |
05:07 |
jurov |
Apocalyptic why? i wouldn't put it past them? |
05:09 |
BingoBoingo |
Maybe the headline is the test? Secret Service collecting references to it as data to feed the beast... |
05:09 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves you need a comment permalink, because nao i can't say thestringpuller;'s got a prettry interesting comment up there at http://devilsadvocate.biz/crabs-in-the-bucket/?replytocom=75#respond |
05:09 |
assbot |
Crabs in the Bucket |
05:10 |
mircea_popescu |
i could use some *people* that reliably detect my sarcasm |
05:11 |
BingoBoingo |
It's a hard problem in text |
05:11 |
mircea_popescu |
it's a hard problem irl, too. |
05:12 |
mircea_popescu |
ajhahaha that robbery link above : |
05:12 |
mircea_popescu |
Bill said, Well lend $10 million IF we get the full $25 million on any default. Here were the other terms Bill said. |
05:12 |
mircea_popescu |
- 15% interest, paid quarterly |
05:12 |
mircea_popescu |
- the full loan is due back in two years |
05:12 |
mircea_popescu |
- $600,000 fee paid to Bill up front. |
05:12 |
mircea_popescu |
- Bill wanted 25% of all the upside on the full $25 million in shares for the next ten years. |
05:12 |
mircea_popescu |
now THATs robbery. |
05:14 |
BingoBoingo |
How was the borrower agreeing to that not a red flag that they were a fake |
05:14 |
mircea_popescu |
it kinda is. |
05:15 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, the post sounds legit. it's pretty much how something like that'd go. |
05:16 |
BingoBoingo |
Kinda the Roger Ver story, except he still praises and pays the loons that fleece him |
05:16 |
mircea_popescu |
I have an idea, I said, I know the guy who wrote that letter. Ill write to him and ask him if he wrote that letter. This way he independently verifies. << the wot. |
05:16 |
mircea_popescu |
quote that to forum derp. this is exactly what we fucking do here, day in, day out. |
05:17 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-06-2014#708635 |
05:17 |
assbot |
#bitcoin-assets log |
05:17 |
pankkake |
!up Vexual |
05:17 |
pankkake |
Vexual: why still not on the wot? |
05:17 |
BingoBoingo |
fluffypony: Also get rid of that discus shit |
05:17 |
pankkake |
not that you could be easily faked |
05:17 |
fluffypony |
BingoBoingo: I hate all the other jekyll comment plugins |
05:18 |
BingoBoingo |
fluffypony: Just have a send all comments to X@Y.Z email address |
05:18 |
fluffypony |
too much like hard work |
05:18 |
fluffypony |
:-P |
05:18 |
fluffypony |
I'll see if there's something new out for jekyll that is non-JS-ish |
05:18 |
BingoBoingo |
Or... Just use Wordpress comments |
05:18 |
fluffypony |
I will never install Wordpress again. EVER. |
05:19 |
BingoBoingo |
Not the whole thing, just the comment form |
05:19 |
pankkake |
I've seen some automated systems to do it, finally. proper comments was the only thing I would miss with a static blog |
05:19 |
pankkake |
I haven't tried those yet though |
05:19 |
fluffypony |
there's this: https://github.com/mpalmer/jekyll-static-comments |
05:19 |
assbot |
mpalmer/jekyll-static-comments GitHub |
05:19 |
fluffypony |
not wild about it, tho |
05:20 |
BingoBoingo |
;;google site:trilema.com the hottest idea in bitcoin |
05:20 |
gribble |
Probably the hottest business idea of the moment in BTC… pe ...: <http://trilema.com/2012/probably-the-hottest-business-idea-of-the-moment-in-btc/>; Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/>; Some basic discussion of Bitcoin macroeconomy pe Trilema - Un ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/some-basic-discussion-of-bitcoin-macroeconomy/> |
05:20 |
fluffypony |
oh this is something I never noticed: https://blog.caurea.org/2012/03/31/this-blog-has-comments-again.html |
05:20 |
assbot |
caurea.org |
05:20 |
fluffypony |
it does an email address per post |
05:20 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.2199997 = 1.1 BTC [+] |
05:20 |
fluffypony |
will take a looksie again when I have time |
05:21 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2014#719018 to go with above link |
05:21 |
assbot |
#bitcoin-assets log |
05:21 |
mircea_popescu |
<BingoBoingo> fluffypony: Also get rid of that discus shit << srsly. |
05:22 |
BingoBoingo |
The reason to use wordpress is that it's the standard. Doing it right is hard, but all of the usefull standards are. |
05:22 |
mircea_popescu |
he's prolly tried wp past 1.x and got burned by how shitty it is |
05:23 |
BingoBoingo |
2.X for some values of X isn't bad. Same with 3.X with caveat, that for some values of X. |
05:23 |
mircea_popescu |
http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md2bx746Pd1r2b8jbo1_400.jpg << trap house! |
05:23 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo ya i meat 2 not 1 my bad |
05:23 |
fluffypony |
;;ping |
05:23 |
gribble |
pong |
05:24 |
fluffypony |
so I asked Jimmy Boy: "I'll turn that around and ask you to list 3 mining operations that were Bitcoin profitable. To simplify, you can just list the asset, what the IPO share price was, and what BTC dividends to date would have been for 1 BTC invested." |
05:24 |
fluffypony |
to which he responds: "Petamine, asicminer, 100th mine, and most people who bought bfl hardware, AM hardware, knc hardware, bitmain hardware, a1 clones, avalon hardware, bitfury hardware." |
05:24 |
fluffypony |
apparently buying hardware == investing in an asset. |
05:24 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony he went to the us school of diversive argumentation. |
05:25 |
fluffypony |
and apparently "The whole internet is a web of trust." |
05:25 |
fluffypony |
he didn't read my comments AT ALL |
05:25 |
mircea_popescu |
serious politician : "name one policy your demagogy implemented that served the public" |
05:25 |
fluffypony |
stupid fucktard. |
05:25 |
BingoBoingo |
fluffypony: Maybe ask why hes till isn't Bitrich |
05:25 |
pankkake |
100th mine was profitable? |
05:25 |
mircea_popescu |
twerp : "guncontrolobamacareglobalwarmingsmokingbanclimatechangederpyherpyderpderpherp" |
05:26 |
mircea_popescu |
costs him about 100x less to run the mouth than it costs you, and so... he's using it. |
05:26 |
mircea_popescu |
this is why, incidentally, giving people a voice is such a bad idea. |
05:26 |
mircea_popescu |
the only thing it yields is a vicious circle of ever decreasing marginal investment in speech |
05:27 |
pankkake |
also people who bought bfl profited?! |
05:27 |
mircea_popescu |
what a healthy society needs are lemon laws for speech. |
05:28 |
fluffypony |
lemon laws! |
05:28 |
xmj |
mircea_popescu: lemon laws? |
05:28 |
xmj |
as in, The Market For Lemons ? |
05:31 |
mircea_popescu |
problem with trying to implement that however is that it's too fucking sweet for whoever's in charge to hijack it into oppression of dissent |
05:31 |
mircea_popescu |
so basically society only works for as long as society enforces some sort of equivalent by itself. which is also why there can never be a society of "laws not men". |
05:31 |
mircea_popescu |
men are needed to keep language meaningful. |
05:33 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7724 @ 0.00008136 = 0.6284 BTC [-] {6} |
05:33 |
BingoBoingo |
Sorta like the dilema by which Bitcoin is great for a well lawed and ordered society yet incredibly hostile to regulation |
05:33 |
mircea_popescu |
well you can't cutthe knife |
05:34 |
BingoBoingo |
Plenty of tools cut knives. |
05:35 |
mircea_popescu |
sure. but nothing cuts itself. evntually you get to a prime mover. |
05:35 |
mircea_popescu |
bitcoin can't be regulated because it regulates you. |
05:36 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00082119 = 7.7192 BTC [-] |
05:37 |
BingoBoingo |
Cake cutting for the lonely https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBU9N35ZHIw |
05:37 |
assbot |
The Scientific Way to Cut a Cake - YouTube |
05:39 |
mircea_popescu |
incidentally, what's the us black slang to denote a woman in her 20s that spends her life naked in the household of some local lord / trap star ? |
05:40 |
mircea_popescu |
or so common & obvious it really doesn't need a word for itself |
05:40 |
fluffypony |
a pie chart is called a camembert chart in French? |
05:40 |
fluffypony |
awesome |
05:40 |
mircea_popescu |
hehehe |
05:40 |
BingoBoingo |
The latter it seems from my limited knowledge |
05:41 |
pankkake |
fluffypony: fun thing, it's called just "un camembert", not even "graphe en camembert" |
05:41 |
mircea_popescu |
imo this should be backported to english |
05:42 |
fluffypony |
agreed |
05:42 |
mircea_popescu |
"his camemberts looked like blocks of fucking swiss" |
05:42 |
fluffypony |
hah hah |
05:43 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo i wonder how they manage to shoot videos tbh. if i were living the limited lifespan of a rappar, i couldn't give less of a shit as to what tv convntions are. |
05:43 |
mircea_popescu |
all my videos feature shots of the nekkid ladies |
05:43 |
mircea_popescu |
must seem so fucken plastic & fake. "whyz dese bitches dresst anyway?!?!" |
05:44 |
pankkake |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snoop_Dogg%27s_Doggystyle |
05:44 |
assbot |
Snoop Dogg's Doggystyle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
05:44 |
FabianB |
<+mircea_popescu> FabianB how does it do bait ? <-- not exactly, i mean this: |
05:44 |
FabianB |
$depth mpoe |
05:44 |
empyex |
FabianB: Want a bash? http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=91 Or use a valid MPSIC! |
05:44 |
assbot |
#bitcoin-assets bash |
05:45 |
mircea_popescu |
aok |
05:46 |
mircea_popescu |
but pankkake ... why'z dem bitchez dresst ?! |
05:46 |
mircea_popescu |
also wtf shitty chopjob |
05:49 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Vexual |
05:50 |
BingoBoingo |
;;bc,stats |
05:50 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 306472 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 1975 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 2 hours, 17 minutes, and 31 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 13957917818.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.67937 |
05:53 |
BingoBoingo |
http://bitbet.us/bet/901/fifa-world-cup-2014-goal-in-under-10/#c3100 |
05:53 |
assbot |
BitBet - FIFA World Cup 2014: goal in under 10 mins :: 0.19 B (57%) on Yes, 0.14 B (43%) on No | closed 13 hours 27 minutes ago |
05:56 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo it god paid out already neh ? |
05:56 |
BingoBoingo |
Yeah, amazing how sometimes events make the errors irrelevant. |
05:56 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
05:57 |
mircea_popescu |
:p |
05:58 |
BingoBoingo |
I was kinda hoping Ghana would have won that one |
06:01 |
BingoBoingo |
American Cities are now more valuable as set pieces than as functioning locations http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2014/06/transformers_premake_documentary_age_of_extinction_inspires_guerrilla_video.html |
06:01 |
assbot |
Transformers Premake documentary: Age of Extinction inspires guerrilla video essay (VIDEO). |
06:01 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.21999999 = 2.64 BTC [+] {3} |
06:03 |
BingoBoingo |
Detroit and Chicago are cheaper stand ins for China than... China |
06:03 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 64 @ 0.23955234 = 15.3313 BTC [+] {6} |
06:03 |
mircea_popescu |
hahaha |
06:04 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.245 = 2.45 BTC [+] {2} |
06:06 |
BingoBoingo |
Jimmothy http://drgrumpyinthehouse.blogspot.com/2014/06/1207-am.html |
06:06 |
assbot |
Doctor Grumpy in the House: 12:07 a.m. |
06:07 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 26 @ 0.24384615 = 6.34 BTC [-] {2} |
06:07 |
mircea_popescu |
ahahaha epic |
06:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00082825 = 10.5188 BTC [+] {2} |
06:12 |
mircea_popescu |
"I was shaking. We had spoken to Evil on the phone." ahaha dude how fucking overdramatic can altucher get. |
06:13 |
mircea_popescu |
a fraudster stands to evil in the relationship an army major stands to the government. |
06:14 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.22000065 = 2.2 BTC [-] {3} |
06:16 |
BingoBoingo |
I dunno if even a Madoff level fraudster makes it as an officer candidate in the Evil Army |
06:17 |
mircea_popescu |
well what is evil army ? |
06:17 |
mircea_popescu |
evil is traditionally used as the catchall for anything anyone perceives as contrarian or enmitous and isn't readily reducible. |
06:18 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, in the heirarchy I imagine Pol Pot makes Colnel... barely |
06:18 |
mircea_popescu |
davout http://fr.anco.is/2014/06/16/the-security-fail-blockchain-wont-tell-you-about/ << good points, but the blockchain wallet usecase isn't storying a lot of btc. |
06:18 |
assbot |
The security fail blockchain won’t tell you about | fr.anco.is |
06:19 |
mircea_popescu |
actually pretty much the only usecase i'm aware of is when you want to do basically the equivalent of issuing yourself a limited preloaded card. |
06:20 |
mircea_popescu |
i never use the cards associated with my various business accounts, ever. but if they came with a diy kit where i could create my own subcards, preload them and discard them... maybe, just maybe. |
06:20 |
fluffypony |
I've been wanting the same |
06:20 |
mircea_popescu |
irk ? |
06:20 |
fluffypony |
even if it's only creating virtual cards initially |
06:20 |
fluffypony |
load amounts in |
06:20 |
BingoBoingo |
Yeah, a decent low fee prepaid card is basically a money condom |
06:20 |
fluffypony |
and use them online for a month or two |
06:20 |
mircea_popescu |
no fucking way am i sharing an account that may well have fiddy million in it with some random guy with a pony tail in whatever restaurant |
06:20 |
fluffypony |
and then abandon them |
06:21 |
mircea_popescu |
no matter how ridiculous counting fiddy hundred dollar bills may look to the sort of people i don't fuck anyway |
06:21 |
assbot |
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06:21 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 1 |
06:21 |
mircea_popescu |
people do stupid sht like that all the time, too. |
06:22 |
mircea_popescu |
ever want to get a kickass car ? it's simple : buy a red jacket and a cap, sit by the entrance to an expensive restaurant |
06:22 |
mircea_popescu |
you'll get a free ferrari in five minutes flat. |
06:22 |
fluffypony |
lol |
06:22 |
mircea_popescu |
guy just hands you the key and walks off. |
06:23 |
mircea_popescu |
"o, he thought you were the vallet". well that's fine, you thought he was santa. |
06:24 |
mircea_popescu |
as joelkatz would say, "common misunderstanding" |
06:25 |
assbot |
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06:25 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 6 |
06:29 |
mircea_popescu |
Yiannis Chrysanthou, a security researcher who recently completed his MSc thesis on modern password cracking, was able to crack the password "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn1." |
06:29 |
mircea_popescu |
fuck me that sounds scary |
06:29 |
mircea_popescu |
up until you realise some total dork took a line off lovercraft, as-is. |
06:31 |
jurov |
http://explo.yt/post/2014/02/26/Bruce-Schneier-passwords-fail exactly as i wrote |
06:31 |
assbot |
Bruce Schneier passwords fail - serialized delusions |
06:31 |
mircea_popescu |
ayup |
06:31 |
mircea_popescu |
!up ansc |
06:31 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google romanian dicelist |
06:31 |
gribble |
Romanian Dicelist pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/romanian-dicelist>; Climax pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/climax>; On Making High-Entropy Paper Wallets | When Bitcoin Met Pete: <http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/03/14/on-making-high-entropy-bitcoin-paper-wallets/> |
06:31 |
mircea_popescu |
i really recommend that thing. fucking special characters rock for the purpose. |
06:33 |
jurov |
!up Vexual |
06:34 |
Vexual |
hehe |
06:34 |
jurov |
!down Vexual |
06:34 |
jurov |
hehe |
06:35 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Vexual |
06:35 |
assbot |
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06:35 |
mircea_popescu |
!b 7 |
06:36 |
BingoBoingo |
Bash hasn't updated in a while... is it on Mats_cd03's no poop pills? |
06:37 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
06:37 |
mircea_popescu |
wasn't jurov modded ? |
06:37 |
mircea_popescu |
lazyboi! |
06:37 |
jurov |
!down mircea_popescu |
06:38 |
mircea_popescu |
you tryin' to go down on me ? |
06:38 |
assbot |
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06:38 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 2 |
06:39 |
mircea_popescu |
https://bitcointa.lk/index.php?topic=579498.msg6386721#msg6386721 << pretty epic shit. |
06:39 |
assbot |
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06:39 |
mircea_popescu |
why's that guy not in here ? |
06:39 |
mircea_popescu |
someone invite him |
06:40 |
mircea_popescu |
"Due to the fake account troll below this post has been moved." ahahaha |
06:41 |
mircea_popescu |
;;rated fluffypony |
06:41 |
gribble |
You rated user fluffypony on Mon May 26 08:18:51 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: I don't know him but his wife sends me selfies.. |
06:42 |
mircea_popescu |
;;rate fluffypony 2 Businessman that now owes me a steak. |
06:42 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating for user fluffypony has changed from 1 to 2. |
06:43 |
fluffypony |
lol |
06:44 |
ansc |
mp: what are your thoughts on icbit.se ? |
06:45 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google trilema icbit.se |
06:45 |
gribble |
Icbit.se, the bucket shop pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2012/icbitse-the-bucket-shop/>; Security Comparison of Bitcoin-Denominated Instruments ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2012/security-comparison-of-bitcoin-denominated-instruments-exchanges/>; Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/> |
06:45 |
mircea_popescu |
that's a year or two old by now. perhaps things changed. not sure why they would have. |
06:46 |
mircea_popescu |
ahahaah that thread just gives and gives and gives. |
06:47 |
mircea_popescu |
should be fucking framed. " Are you finished? Your wrong.", trhen guy goes back and edits it once it's pointed out |
06:48 |
ansc |
interesting piece. from that perspective, nothing has changed. no need to update. thank you for the link. |
06:49 |
mircea_popescu |
the boon #bitcoin-assets bestows upon they who come seeking wisdom is great indeed. |
06:49 |
ansc |
haha right. i must say i do agree. |
06:49 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony what's the xxxprofit story ? |
06:51 |
BingoBoingo |
%book |
06:51 |
atcbot |
2k@240 16k@235 50k@201 | 250k@160 500k@151 5k@150 |
06:51 |
fluffypony |
the dude seems like a reasonable guy, he's very open about that and the appliance thing being fiat businesses, but I think he's struggling to find anyone around him willing to invest because, hey, porn site |
06:52 |
BingoBoingo |
%ticker |
06:52 |
atcbot |
[X-BT] Bid: 160 Ask: 201 Last Price: 201 24h-Vol: 7k High: 235 Low: 150 VWAP: 157 |
06:52 |
Vexual |
link? |
06:52 |
fluffypony |
I told him to get on here and get in the WoT as it'll help with future ventures |
06:52 |
punkman |
https://icbit.se/node/69 always in beta (TM) |
06:52 |
assbot |
Price Calculation Fix | ICBIT - Bitcoin Exchange and Futures Market |
06:52 |
mircea_popescu |
what, i love pron sites. heck, im STILL trying to get in touch with that pleasantly uninhibited chick from reddit. |
06:52 |
mircea_popescu |
whatver her namne was |
06:52 |
mircea_popescu |
;;notes |
06:52 |
gribble |
I currently have notes waiting for agentx24, anarkitty, bakinat, buanzo, EricNakamoto, fbastage, frankenmint, Immukization, MurphyLawn, newyorkadam, nubbins, nubbins`i, organofcorti, Phinnaeus, plezoh, ryepdx, sic_nic, starsoccer9, ThickasTheives, unbalanced, and weenfan. |
06:53 |
Vexual |
lol lowecase me is gone |
06:53 |
mircea_popescu |
anarkitty. hey, this creates a new usecase for gribble. leave a note for osmeone, remember their name. |
06:59 |
BingoBoingo |
https://bitcointa.lk/index.php?topic=639298.0 |
06:59 |
assbot |
Full Dox: BTC-ARBS.COM (and their undeniable links to HYIPs) | Bitcointa.lk |
07:02 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo for what it's worth the dilemma is irreducible. |
07:02 |
BingoBoingo |
!up ansc |
07:02 |
mircea_popescu |
on one hand, the slipped up theory is convincing. on the other hand, the sort of scammer/internet fraudster depicted often tries to run a hosting business on the side |
07:03 |
mircea_popescu |
so it may be a clueless noob that got a GREAT webhosting offer |
07:03 |
ansc |
anyone seen this latest idiocy: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/290ed010-f567-11e3-91a8-00144feabdc0.html?siteedition=intl#axzz34snzDqLe |
07:03 |
assbot |
Financial Times | Error | Akamai Error |
07:03 |
ansc |
ok anyway, it's about the fed imposing exit fees on bond funds. |
07:03 |
mircea_popescu |
not surprising. |
07:03 |
mircea_popescu |
actually... i think it was predicted here months ago :p |
07:03 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: It is indeed astounding how the bad habits of both groups align this way |
07:05 |
BingoBoingo |
A and B are indistiguishable at x,y because they do the same thing at that point. |
07:05 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Vexual |
07:07 |
BingoBoingo |
I wonder if herbi will ever try his hand at ATC again |
07:08 |
Vexual |
didn't you take all his moneys? |
07:08 |
BingoBoingo |
Vexual: Sure, at the time, but noa his is busy with OMG acquisitions!!! in his most recent messages. |
07:09 |
Mats_cd03 |
lol you're a douche |
07:09 |
BingoBoingo |
Mats_cd03: Douches are good, they are a force for cleansing |
07:14 |
punkman |
this curses stuff is enough to make me curse, but it's getting there: http://i.imgur.com/Jj0xIdi.png |
07:14 |
fluffypony |
punkman: looks great |
07:15 |
Vexual |
neato |
07:15 |
BingoBoingo |
Nice punkman |
07:16 |
ansc |
interesting that the odds are so much in favor of btc with brk/a trading @189k |
07:17 |
punkman |
now it tells me when I've already bet on a proposition and calculates the total along with hypothetical bets. Handy for topping up a bet |
07:17 |
BingoBoingo |
Nice |
07:18 |
ansc |
so one could calculate the implicit interest rate of btc based on these probabilities |
07:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8142 @ 0.00082492 = 6.7165 BTC [-] |
07:21 |
BingoBoingo |
ansc: Well, I think the tool being tried for the effort at large now is f.mpif |
07:21 |
BingoBoingo |
!mpif |
07:21 |
assbot |
BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021664 BTC (Total: 433.28 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021703 BTC [-] |
07:21 |
BingoBoingo |
!jd mpif |
07:21 |
assbot |
Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 171.02517117 BTC; +0.16054045 BTC (+0.0940%) since last check 11h 38m 47s ago. |
07:21 |
Naphex |
BingoBoingo: we're going live with EUR/USD next week. will you be sticking to ron or going for EUR/USD?;p |
07:21 |
punkman |
did klye re-ipo? |
07:21 |
BingoBoingo |
punkman: We can all hope so |
07:24 |
BingoBoingo |
Naphex: It depends on how the book looks. I'll prolly announce the June or July statement if I've moved into that pairing or not, pending consultation with the general manager. I'll watch at for least weeks, emphasis plural, before making a decision. |
07:25 |
BingoBoingo |
Naphex: In BTC/Fiat I am exceedingly cautions |
07:25 |
BingoBoingo |
I inhere the properties of cautions |
07:25 |
Naphex |
probably best:p |
07:28 |
BingoBoingo |
Naphex: I'm trading by hand so any moves into fiat occur only when I'm awake and ready to put in a lower bid very soon after fulfillment. << As this in in the chan it is an official disclosure. Nao.. Good luck figuring out my sleep wake cycle... if there is a discernable one. |
07:29 |
Naphex |
i don't trade at all |
07:30 |
BingoBoingo |
I as mentioned before really didn't start until I beat herbi. Before I occasionally bet substituting exchanges for bookies. |
07:31 |
Naphex |
how are you likeing it doing it as a full time job? |
07:31 |
Naphex |
or not full time |
07:34 |
BingoBoingo |
I do this pretty much as I mention in the statements. It's a thing... I do it. I'll offer a range of more than most actual work the lowest performing civil servants do, but still less than nubbins` when he is in extreme focused art mode. (I estimate that to be between 0 and all of the hours in a week) |
07:35 |
thestringpuller |
what hppened to pity the pool? |
07:36 |
BingoBoingo |
? |
07:36 |
thestringpuller |
its down for me |
07:36 |
thestringpuller |
!up Vexual |
07:36 |
BingoBoingo |
%diff |
07:36 |
atcbot |
[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 430092.04 in 660 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -39.88 |
07:36 |
BingoBoingo |
Really? |
07:36 |
thestringpuller |
yea |
07:36 |
BingoBoingo |
%tslb |
07:36 |
atcbot |
21 minutes and 6 seconds |
07:36 |
thestringpuller |
can you reach atc.pitythepool.com |
07:37 |
BingoBoingo |
I wouldn't know how. My fumbling attemps at mining never met going to a pool |
07:38 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2014/06/17/sen_claire_mccaskill_dissects_dr_oz_for_weight_loss_scams.html |
07:38 |
assbot |
Sen. Claire McCaskill dissects Dr. Oz for weight loss scams. |
07:44 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.collegehumor.com/post/6973365/i-cant-believe-they-made-trophies-for-these-things |
07:44 |
assbot |
I Can't Believe They Made Trophies For These Things - CollegeHumor Post |
07:45 |
BingoBoingo |
I think one of the most important moments of my development was when as a child I learned the trophie store is an actual place |
07:47 |
cazalla |
that's a memory i have too.. i use to play soccer, cherished the ribbons and trophies, figured out you could buy yourself the biggest and engrave anything for doing nothing killed the motivation to play |
07:49 |
Naphex |
cazalla: the trick to being pro is getting paid to play :) |
07:49 |
Naphex |
not trophies |
07:50 |
Naphex |
you can scam trophies on everything :P |
07:50 |
cazalla |
i actually played with a pro, he got dumped from the aussie team this world cup though |
07:50 |
cazalla |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_Wilkshire |
07:50 |
assbot |
Luke Wilkshire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
07:50 |
cazalla |
he bought me a he-man for my 7th birthday party |
07:52 |
BingoBoingo |
cazalla: I took away that anyone can have anything engraved and realized you can conceal success. |
07:52 |
Naphex |
mircea_popescu: http://stirileprotv.ro/stiri/social/lov-moneda-virtuala-a-tiganilor-pe-care-nu-stiu-s-o-foloseasca-ce-stiu-romii-din-stefanesti-despre-banul-de-pe-internet.html |
07:52 |
assbot |
"Ce sa facem noi cu loveaua?". Moneda tiganeasca de pe internet pe care supusii lui Cioaba nici nu stiu sa o foloseasca |
07:52 |
Naphex |
a must see :)) |
07:53 |
Naphex |
Romanian Gypsy king releases gypsy coin |
07:53 |
Naphex |
called LOV |
07:53 |
Naphex |
:)) |
07:53 |
Naphex |
cryptocurrency :) |
08:04 |
fluffypony |
lol really? |
08:04 |
fluffypony |
that's hilarious |
08:04 |
Naphex |
Gypsy King said next month he has meeting with US VP |
08:05 |
Naphex |
and his gonna mention LOVECoin |
08:05 |
Naphex |
they want it recognized like baitcoin |
08:05 |
Naphex |
true story |
08:06 |
Naphex |
watch the video:P |
08:08 |
BingoBoingo |
too late http://www.cryptodefense.org/#!mission/cerb |
08:08 |
assbot |
The Cryptocurrency Defense Foundation |
08:11 |
BingoBoingo |
The abject poverty of too much money http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/06/18/nasa_funding_new_senate_bill_will_keep_us_relying_on_russians_for_rides.html |
08:11 |
assbot |
NASA funding: New Senate bill will keep us relying on Russians for rides to space. |
08:12 |
pankkake |
"us" |
08:18 |
Naphex |
http://www.cryptodefense.org/#!mission/cerb |
08:19 |
Naphex |
sry bad key :o |
08:21 |
punkman |
lolpatents |
08:22 |
punkman |
'Amazon patents 1-click blockchain transaction' |
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08:38 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9061 @ 0.0008265 = 7.4889 BTC [+] |
08:46 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.0687777 = 1.7194 BTC [-] |
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09:07 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 26 @ 0.069 = 1.794 BTC [+] |
09:17 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex ahahaha |
09:19 |
mircea_popescu |
nice punkman |
09:21 |
mircea_popescu |
<thestringpuller> what hppened to pity the pool? << ddos wars raging |
09:25 |
mircea_popescu |
peterl has an excellent point here http://trilema.com/2014/introducing-the-d-series/#comment-101367 |
09:25 |
assbot |
Introducing the D. series pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
09:25 |
mircea_popescu |
all sorts of arbitrages suddenly open |
09:33 |
ThickAsThieves |
[04:54] <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves so is atc taking over the ltc role ? /// well it *should* take over the role of all other coins of no distinction |
09:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.0008265 = 6.0335 BTC [+] |
09:47 |
ThickAsThieves |
<+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves you need a comment permalink ///hrm, i'm not sure how to enable such ... ? |
09:50 |
ThickAsThieves |
<+mircea_popescu> incidentally, what's the us black slang to denote a woman in her 20s that spends her life naked in the household of some local lord / trap star ? /// gold digger, groupie, slut -- i'm not sure proper word exists, not that this is even a common thing |
09:58 |
ThickAsThieves |
<gribble> Sent 1 week, 0 days, 11 hours, and 38 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> Altcoin is holding me back. /// hehe, how can i help? |
10:08 |
chetty |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/us-patent-office-cancels-redskins-trademark-registration-says-name-is-disparaging/2014/06/18/e7737bb8-f6ee-11e3-8aa9-dad2ec039789_story.html |
10:08 |
assbot |
U.S. Patent office cancels Redskins trademark registration, says name is disparaging - The Washington Post |
10:12 |
bitcoinpete |
chetty speaking of bad words: he/she |
10:12 |
bitcoinpete |
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/06/17/vancouver-school-boards-genderless-pronouns-not-likely-to-stick-if-history-is-any-indication/?__federated=1 |
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10:12 |
assbot |
Vancouver School Board’s genderless pronouns xe, xem, xyr not likely to stick, if history is any indication | National Post |
10:15 |
nubbins` |
"a woman in her 20s that spends her life" |
10:15 |
thestringpuller |
nubbins`: do you have a tracking number for the shirt btw? |
10:16 |
nubbins` |
chetty: cue the "counterfeit" redskins jerseys / memorabilia |
10:17 |
nubbins` |
thestringpuller: sorry, was waiting a couple days to see if more orders came in. shirt's getting printed today. tracking is too costly, most people opt out |
10:17 |
nubbins` |
you can add it if you like tho, i think it's around an extra $10 |
10:18 |
thestringpuller |
ah |
10:18 |
thestringpuller |
we can discuss, i like tracking |
10:20 |
nubbins` |
$20 shipping for $15 shirt :D |
10:21 |
nubbins` |
oh and hey, did you say you wanted the #b-a / freenode text on the back? |
10:23 |
chetty |
re:redskins decision// que the counterfeit everything, trademarks just became a joke |
10:24 |
nubbins` |
;;calc just became XD |
10:24 |
gribble |
Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1) |
10:24 |
nubbins` |
i mean, uh |
10:24 |
nubbins` |
just became XD |
10:29 |
mike_c |
who is 'rethink-your-strategy'? that is some skilled trolling. |
10:29 |
mike_c |
pankkake? |
10:30 |
pankkake |
no |
10:31 |
nubbins` |
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/06/17/vancouver-school-boards-genderless-pronouns-not-likely-to-stick-if-history-is-any-indication/?__federated=1 |
10:31 |
assbot |
Vancouver School Board’s genderless pronouns xe, xem, xyr not likely to stick, if history is any indication | National Post |
10:32 |
pankkake |
"We are approve of this message." https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=655464.msg7378988#msg7378988 |
10:32 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] DataTank Mining: 1.2MW 3M Novec Immersion Cooled 2PH Mining Container |
10:33 |
pankkake |
nubbins`: French would drive them mad |
10:35 |
nubbins` |
ils seraient rendus fous XD |
10:37 |
nubbins` |
"they" generally works but would sound odd in a group setting |
10:37 |
bitcoinpete |
nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2014#723409 |
10:37 |
assbot |
#bitcoin-assets log |
10:38 |
nubbins` |
ah haha i'm a dickhead |
10:38 |
pankkake |
the worst is job names. some can be gendered, some not, and even the French don't know what to do of them |
10:38 |
nubbins` |
chanteuse! |
10:38 |
bitcoinpete |
lol just 25 minutes late to the party |
10:38 |
bitcoinpete |
i suppose you want the cake now too? |
10:38 |
nubbins` |
D; |
10:41 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 144 @ 0.06580291 = 9.4756 BTC [-] {13} |
10:41 |
bitcoinpete |
http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-roadshow-swag-special-car-giveaway-in-trek-america/ << these guys are from our local meet-up |
10:41 |
assbot |
North America's Bitcoin Roadshow Offers Free Car as Grand Prize |
10:43 |
bitcoinpete |
they're basically driving a kia across north america to "raise awareness" |
10:43 |
bitcoinpete |
then giving away the car or $10k worth of bitcoins |
10:44 |
bitcoinpete |
as fucking if someone takes the beat-up car instead of the coins |
10:45 |
bitcoinpete |
maybe mpex or bitbet should slap their logo on the side of this thing |
10:45 |
bitcoinpete |
i'm sure spots are for sale for an outrageous amount of money ;) |
10:46 |
mike_c |
ThickAsThieves: what do you think about creating seeds.therealaltcoin.org with node seeds. |
10:47 |
mike_c |
it's like this, you just add a bunch of A records: http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=a%3abitseed.xf2.org&run=toolpage |
10:47 |
assbot |
Network Tools: DNS,IP,Email |
10:47 |
pankkake |
the seeds I configured in the client are probably not working anymore |
10:48 |
mike_c |
they don't appear to be returning anything |
10:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00082933 = 15.0109 BTC [+] {2} |
10:49 |
fluffypony |
mike_c: dnsseeds don't work that way |
10:49 |
fluffypony |
they're dynamic with a low TTL |
10:49 |
mike_c |
don't work what way? |
10:49 |
fluffypony |
not hard-coded |
10:49 |
pankkake |
not necessarily |
10:49 |
fluffypony |
it's a round-robin list that's dynamically refreshed on an ongoing basis |
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10:50 |
mike_c |
well that sounds like a nice enhancement eventually |
10:50 |
pankkake |
I've done all my altcoins with simple A records I updated myself |
10:50 |
pankkake |
but yes that requires knowning about the nodes |
10:50 |
mike_c |
but right now we are at ground zero with seeding. |
10:50 |
fluffypony |
here's the source |
10:50 |
fluffypony |
https://github.com/sipa/bitcoin-seeder |
10:50 |
assbot |
sipa/bitcoin-seeder GitHub |
10:50 |
fluffypony |
not exactly rocket-science stuff |
10:50 |
fluffypony |
and easy to adapt |
10:51 |
mike_c |
so.. you're saying you'll run it ;) |
10:51 |
mike_c |
seeds.fluffypony.org |
10:51 |
fluffypony |
lol |
10:51 |
fluffypony |
if someone gets the source code working I'll gladly throw it on a box |
10:52 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.065 = 1.105 BTC [-] |
10:53 |
mike_c |
core dev? any spare time to port to altcoin-seeder? |
10:54 |
thestringpuller |
;;bc,stats |
10:54 |
thestringpuller |
;;ticker |
10:54 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 607.11, Best ask: 608.95, Bid-ask spread: 1.84000, Last trade: 608.95, 24 hour volume: 8276.71700325, 24 hour low: 592.7, 24 hour high: 616.0, 24 hour vwap: 607.271648243 |
10:54 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 306507 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 1940 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 2 hours, 3 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None |
10:57 |
Mats_cd03 |
lol |
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11:13 |
punkman |
that was a good pedicure, now I need a haircut |
11:14 |
punkman |
damn barber retired, gotta find a new one |
11:14 |
chetty |
http://www.infowars.com/supreme-court-agrees-to-rule-on-limiting-first-amendment/ |
11:14 |
assbot |
» Supreme Court Agrees to Rule On Limiting First Amendment Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! |
11:20 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 206 @ 0.0289003 = 5.9535 BTC [-] |
11:21 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman i hate it when that happens |
11:24 |
nubbins` |
i've been cutting my own hair for about 7 years now |
11:24 |
nubbins` |
sometimes it turns out terrible :D |
11:30 |
Naphex |
nubbins`: why would somebody cut their own hair? |
11:30 |
nubbins` |
what an odd question |
11:31 |
nubbins` |
why would anyone do anything for themselves? |
11:31 |
punkman |
it's one of those things you can't do very well on your own |
11:31 |
Naphex |
yes but why not just pay someone to do it |
11:31 |
Naphex |
you don't have to pay attention and maybe you get a sweet skull massage :) |
11:32 |
punkman |
Naphex, I cut them myself last couple of times, with a little help from the girl, since the barber is not around |
11:33 |
punkman |
my biggest problem is the shitty shampoo everyone has |
11:33 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` sucks his own cock, eats his own cooking, he's a solipsist. |
11:33 |
punkman |
and they use too much of it too |
11:34 |
Naphex |
:)) |
11:36 |
asciilifeform |
i know plenty of people who cut their own hair. |
11:36 |
asciilifeform |
usually with electric razor. |
11:36 |
Naphex |
anything with electric razor or bald doesn't count:P |
11:41 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex wears a pompadour. |
11:41 |
mircea_popescu |
I SEEN IT |
11:43 |
chetty |
we are on to hair cuts? what happened to the fingernail polish, ladies? |
11:43 |
nubbins` |
if i could suck my own cock i wouldn't be wasting my time on irc |
11:44 |
fluffypony |
nubbins`: you'd be on TV? |
11:44 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 22 @ 0.0289004 = 0.6358 BTC [+] |
11:44 |
nubbins` |
heh |
11:44 |
nubbins` |
mp, i think that's not the first time you've called me that |
11:44 |
mircea_popescu |
what rly ? |
11:44 |
nubbins` |
maybe. not that surprising i guess |
11:44 |
mircea_popescu |
chetty http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/Charles_Dana_Gibson00.jpg |
11:45 |
nubbins` |
Naphex: i don't pay someone else to cut my hair for the same reason i don't pay someone else to cook my food |
11:45 |
mircea_popescu |
what, never ? |
11:45 |
nubbins` |
nah, just generally |
11:46 |
nubbins` |
me going to a barber for a haircut would make as much sense as going to a restaurant for a bowl of cereal |
11:48 |
mircea_popescu |
very small head ? |
11:49 |
nubbins` |
bike helmet says XXL |
11:52 |
thestringpuller |
;;ident |
11:52 |
gribble |
Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None |
11:53 |
chetty |
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-18/putin-advisor-proposes-anti-dollar-alliance-halt-us-foreign-aggression |
11:53 |
assbot |
Putin Advisor Proposes "Anti-Dollar Alliance" To Halt US Aggression Abroad | Zero Hedge |
11:54 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.listafirme.ro/polimedia-srl-22530016/ |
11:54 |
mircea_popescu |
check out graph. to teh moonz! |
11:55 |
mircea_popescu |
;;bc,stats |
11:55 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 306518 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 1929 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 8 hours, 19 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 15413140721.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.48876 |
11:55 |
mircea_popescu |
nuts. |
11:57 |
Naphex |
18:24 <+nubbins`> i've been cutting my own hair for about 7 years now |
11:57 |
Naphex |
18:24 -!- mjr_1 [~Thunderbi@190.105.171.186] has joined #bitcoin-assets |
11:57 |
Naphex |
18:24 <+nubbins`> sometimes it turns out terrible :D |
11:57 |
* |
nubbins` nods |
11:58 |
nubbins` |
and then i can't even fix it because i throw out all my scissors and clippers when i'm done :( |
11:58 |
nubbins` |
unlike a barber shop, where you can come in the next day for a free tune-up if you don't like what they've done |
12:00 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 27.09655160 BTC to 9`095 shares, 297928 satoshi per share |
12:02 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 30 @ 0.02033915 = 0.6102 BTC [-] {7} |
12:02 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.69867315 BTC to 9`095 shares, 18677 satoshi per share |
12:03 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 457 @ 0.01949056 = 8.9072 BTC [-] {13} |
12:07 |
mircea_popescu |
;;seen korbman |
12:07 |
gribble |
korbman was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 15 weeks, 5 days, 22 hours, 32 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <Korbman> or else I wouldn't be on here haha :P |
12:09 |
Mats_cd03 |
chetty: nails in da coffin |
12:09 |
mircea_popescu |
https://bitcointa.lk/threads/dattank-mining-any-chip-any-hardware-any-currency.330080/page-4#post-7067314 << is this guy actually using the dot to represent scalars (ie, as opposed to vectors) or wtf notation is that |
12:09 |
assbot |
DatTank Mining: any chip, any hardware, any currency | Page 4 | Bitcointa.lk |
12:09 |
mircea_popescu |
first derivative ? |
12:11 |
fluffypony |
still a better post than Jimmothy's comment on GPG |
12:11 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.06329633 = 2.5319 BTC [-] {4} |
12:12 |
mircea_popescu |
no argument but im fucking curious, it makes no sense |
12:15 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: with 30k usd profit, it is not too adventurous a guess that polimedia does not house mpex ? |
12:16 |
mircea_popescu |
course not |
12:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6664 @ 0.00082981 = 5.5299 BTC [+] {2} |
12:23 |
punkman |
Fun fact: out of 10310 bitbets, only 313 have lost money betting on the winning side, and only 100 of those had a weight of 10k |
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12:23 |
punkman |
*more than 10k |
12:28 |
mircea_popescu |
and total value lost ? |
12:28 |
punkman |
1.55 BTC |
12:28 |
mircea_popescu |
heh. out of 10k. |
12:28 |
punkman |
pretty good |
12:29 |
mircea_popescu |
whoa uspo cancelled redskins trademark ?! |
12:29 |
mircea_popescu |
bwahgah |
12:36 |
mircea_popescu |
o look, south africa actually uses the ancient dce concept. nao i don't need to fumble trying to explain to people what domicile means anymoar! just reference south african law! |
12:36 |
mircea_popescu |
thank you internets |
12:36 |
punkman |
another tidbit: 52.3 % of bets picked the winning side, with total gain of 2644 BTC |
12:36 |
mircea_popescu |
total net gain ? |
12:36 |
punkman |
yes |
12:36 |
mircea_popescu |
interesting. |
12:37 |
punkman |
total amount in 9393 BTC, gain 2633 BTC |
12:37 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman you gonna collect all this in a blog post ? |
12:37 |
punkman |
it will be in the app |
12:37 |
mircea_popescu |
and what's average time ? |
12:39 |
fluffypony |
heh |
12:39 |
fluffypony |
we're cool that way |
12:40 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: I still use DCE when drawing up an MoU for a freelancer in another country |
12:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31650 @ 0.00082842 = 26.2195 BTC [-] {3} |
12:40 |
fluffypony |
hard habit to break |
12:40 |
mircea_popescu |
i thought it was mostly forgotten as a legal term cca 1898 or something |
12:40 |
moiety |
ah chicago http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/chicago-nuns-take-strip-club-to-court-for-raucous-music-used-condoms-and-neon-lights-9545855.html |
12:40 |
assbot |
Chicago nuns take strip club to court for 'raucous music, used condoms and neon lights' - Americas - World - The Independent |
12:40 |
benkay |
dce? |
12:41 |
mircea_popescu |
benkay http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-04-28/ grep domicilium |
12:41 |
assbot |
How to fail gracefully as a Bitcoin business |
12:41 |
fluffypony |
benkay: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domicilium_citandi_et_executandi |
12:41 |
assbot |
Domicilium citandi et executandi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
12:41 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, imo the fiat approach is naive. |
12:44 |
fluffypony |
everyone seems to be doing it lately |
12:44 |
fluffypony |
valuing things entirely in fiat |
12:45 |
fluffypony |
and then almost as an afterthought "ohey, fundraising is in Bitcoin and so are dividend payments" |
12:45 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah, that's totally a good reason :D |
12:45 |
fluffypony |
lol |
12:45 |
mircea_popescu |
what i mean is specifically this : that the construction of recourse and remedy on the infrastructure of fiat is not going to work. |
12:45 |
mircea_popescu |
if it were going to work, fiat-based intl merchants wouldn't have such a fucking headache. |
12:46 |
mircea_popescu |
consider the earlier case described by altucher. |
12:46 |
mircea_popescu |
why did "bill" and everyone else involved seem to think that once the 10mn is wired, that's it, the fraudster won ? |
12:46 |
mircea_popescu |
why, specifically because the fiat method does not work. |
12:48 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06899789 = 0.69 BTC [-] |
12:48 |
fluffypony |
I agree with that - it was more to show that personal liability is always an option on the fiat side (reckless trading etc.), so this idea that you can burn a registered company and walk away and start a new one is also flawed |
12:48 |
fluffypony |
because that's the other thing that seems to be big, especially on the forums |
12:48 |
fluffypony |
"I can show business registration papers so therefore" |
12:48 |
mircea_popescu |
depends if you make a business of it or not. |
12:48 |
fluffypony |
like registering a business in and of itself makes it flawless |
12:48 |
mircea_popescu |
if you do, you can. if you're random joe blow you can not, but then again this stuff is not for you anyway, |
12:48 |
fluffypony |
yep |
12:49 |
asciilifeform |
burn a registered company and walk away and start a new one << interesting historical degenerate case: russia during lenin's 'NEP' - 20s - folks would close a firm immediately prior to tax day, open new one the day after with same assets |
12:49 |
benkay |
"CAN I HAVE BITCOINZ NOA?" << lol |
12:49 |
mircea_popescu |
so it's really a blind alley : those on whom it'd work are probably the same set that think "bitcoin is bad" or w/e |
12:49 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform and even so soviet tax collection was better than the tsar's. |
12:49 |
asciilifeform |
('nep' was an experiment with limited 'backslide' into capitalism) |
12:50 |
asciilifeform |
result was a miniature preview of the 'roaring '90s' |
12:50 |
mircea_popescu |
which brings an interestin point. |
12:51 |
punkman |
mircea_popescu: average time from winning bet placement to resolution is 42 days |
12:51 |
mircea_popescu |
i wasn't watching at the time, but did ayone in the early 90s/late 80s say hey, lenin's nep previewed what'll happen here ? |
12:51 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman ty! |
12:51 |
asciilifeform |
oh sure they did |
12:51 |
asciilifeform |
plenty of folks knew exactly how it would roll. |
12:51 |
mircea_popescu |
;;calc (2633 / 9393) ** (42/365) |
12:51 |
gribble |
0.863856328733 |
12:51 |
mircea_popescu |
86% pa. |
12:53 |
fluffypony |
btw benkay - http://stealth.openwall.net/xSports/shocker.c |
12:53 |
fluffypony |
docker breakout PoC |
12:54 |
punkman |
9393 was only the winners' input btw |
12:54 |
benkay |
"don't run strange" |
12:54 |
asciilifeform |
http://cryptome.org/2014/06/nsa-spiegel-snowden-14-0618.pdf << 200 pgs. of new crapolade |
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12:56 |
benkay |
crapolades |
12:56 |
benkay |
accocraps |
12:56 |
benkay |
derpocalypse |
12:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.0008269 = 16.9515 BTC [-] {3} |
12:58 |
asciilifeform |
all the good bits carefully censored out. |
12:59 |
chetty |
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Graffiti-Suspect-Francisco-Canseco-Tagged-Courtroom-263528431.html |
12:59 |
assbot |
Brazen Graffiti Suspect Tagged Courtroom: Officials | NBC 7 San Diego |
13:02 |
benkay |
http://trilema.com/2014/people-us-dollars-are-not-worth-a-fifth-of-a-bitcent-stop-selling/#footnote_1_55053 // not strong, someday smart. |
13:02 |
assbot |
People! US Dollars are not worth a fifth of a Bitcent. STOP SELLING! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
13:08 |
* |
chetty thinks MP has been reading tea leaves again// "- I suppose youve never learned of the law that protects peoples rights and propety
" |
13:08 |
chetty |
goes so nice with theft of redskins trademark |
13:09 |
asciilifeform |
as i understand, not quite stolen yet - just some of the bolts holding it down removed. |
13:09 |
asciilifeform |
there are still state-level trademarks, afaik |
13:12 |
chetty |
the states stand up so well to the feds these days |
13:16 |
asciilifeform |
http://imgur.com/48WRuJ6,W7nuzd8#0 |
13:16 |
assbot |
turdomatic - Imgur |
13:16 |
asciilifeform |
^ choice turdlets |
13:18 |
punkman |
asciilifeform: what's that |
13:18 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: snippets from the new spiegel collection |
13:23 |
chetty |
asciilifeform, greping for ips? wish I had some time for funs |
13:23 |
Naphex |
mircea_popescu: lol http://fundatiabitcoin.ro/ |
13:23 |
assbot |
Fundatia Bitcoin Romania | Sustine Bitcoin |
13:23 |
fluffypony |
lol |
13:24 |
asciilifeform |
Radu Georgescu << gecad ? |
13:24 |
Naphex |
yes |
13:24 |
Naphex |
or coinzone or whatever |
13:38 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 90 @ 0.01979875 = 1.7819 BTC [+] {2} |
13:39 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06550729 = 0.6551 BTC [-] {4} |
13:41 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.06323412 = 1.5809 BTC [-] {5} |
13:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00082375 = 14.498 BTC [-] {4} |
13:48 |
mthreat |
asciilifeform: that nsa-spiegel-snowden PDF is pretty interesting. It seems like Germany is basically part of the "five eyes" countries, which would make it "six eyes" |
13:49 |
asciilifeform |
mthreat: the bnd thing is old hat. |
13:49 |
asciilifeform |
muppet state. |
13:50 |
asciilifeform |
(not to be confused with 'puppet state') |
13:54 |
benkay |
<mircea_popescu> incidentally, what's the us black slang to denote a woman in her 20s that spends her life naked in the household of some local lord / trap star ? // video ho in the rap industry |
14:04 |
benkay |
punkman: that's lookin all right man |
14:11 |
mike_c |
yeah, very cool. when do we get to play with it? |
14:20 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00082603 = 4.0062 BTC [+] |
14:22 |
davout |
how does this guy get resolved if the auction is kept private? --> http://bitbet.us/bet/951/silk-road-coin-auction-extravaganza/ |
14:22 |
assbot |
BitBet - Silk Road Coin Auction Extravaganza :: 1.39 B (58%) on Yes, 0.99 B (42%) on No | closing in 1 week 1 day| weight: 92`453 (100`000 to 1) |
14:24 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 45 @ 0.0635 = 2.8575 BTC [+] |
14:25 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.06349999 = 0.762 BTC [-] {3} |
14:31 |
los_pantalones |
does anyone know if the us govt has control the private keys on the silk road wallets ? |
14:31 |
los_pantalones |
i was always under the impression that they didn't have control of that |
14:32 |
asciilifeform |
los_pantalones: dpr might be sitting on a stake as we speak, coughing up the keys |
14:33 |
los_pantalones |
hmm |
14:33 |
los_pantalones |
color me skeptical |
14:34 |
mike_c |
possiblity? SR coins can be sold now. DPR coins can't be sold until conviction. |
14:34 |
mike_c |
ianal |
14:34 |
los_pantalones |
yes, i think that is true |
14:34 |
los_pantalones |
but still only theoretically |
14:35 |
fluffypony |
that's the way I understood it too |
14:35 |
los_pantalones |
fluffypony you understood that was the process or that the feds do not have the private keys |
14:35 |
los_pantalones |
or both |
14:36 |
fluffypony |
both |
14:36 |
los_pantalones |
tyvm |
14:36 |
los_pantalones |
i thought i was crazy |
14:36 |
fluffypony |
they don't have the keys (at least not that they've admitted to), but once they have them they can beat the keys out of him with a wrench |
14:37 |
fluffypony |
Joe "The Plumber" Kazinsci will work his wrench magic on DPR |
14:37 |
los_pantalones |
ha, idk, i don't doubt they will try |
14:37 |
los_pantalones |
but if it comes AFTER the conviction |
14:39 |
los_pantalones |
why would he care |
14:39 |
los_pantalones |
"welcome to jail for life" |
14:42 |
FabianB |
$traded |
14:42 |
empyex |
FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: S.MPOE X.EUR |
14:43 |
benkay |
;;later tell BingoBoingo herbi's back? |
14:43 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
14:50 |
chetty |
http://www.coindesk.com/list-possible-silk-road-bitcoin-bidders-allegedly-leaked-us-marshals/ |
14:50 |
assbot |
List of Possible Silk Road Bitcoin Bidders Allegedly Leaked by US Marshals |
14:52 |
asciilifeform |
'Avarus, Inc. (we, us, our) was incorporated under the laws of the State of Delaware on September 20, 2010. The Company was originally organized as a blank check shell Company to investigate and acquire a target company or business seeking the perceived advantages of being a publicly held corporation.' << lol! |
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~ 15 minutes ~ |
15:08 |
trinque |
chetty: amateurs |
15:21 |
davout |
the list is genuine |
15:21 |
punkman |
mike_c: fresh out of the oven https://bitbucket.org/abfg/bitbet.py/src |
15:21 |
assbot |
abfg / bitbet.py / source / — Bitbucket |
15:23 |
mike_c |
nice |
15:24 |
punkman |
no it's 15kb of pure horror |
15:24 |
kakobrekla |
title = AttrMap(Filler(Text(['BITBET.PY', '\n', 'DELUXE EDITION'],align='center'),valign='middle'), 'banner') < WIN |
15:24 |
kakobrekla |
only amazing edition can top that |
15:24 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
15:25 |
punkman |
there's some work to get to AMAZING |
15:30 |
punkman |
why isn't the hashbang working, how do I linux? |
15:39 |
mike_c |
don't you need a space? |
15:40 |
mike_c |
#! /usr/whatever |
15:40 |
mike_c |
doesn't look like it, ignore me. |
15:43 |
punkman |
oops forgot chmod +x |
15:44 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00082697 = 7.7322 BTC [+] {2} |
15:47 |
nubbins` |
heh |
15:47 |
nubbins` |
nanotube, first name on the list |
15:48 |
Naphex |
so there is a list of bidders |
15:48 |
Naphex |
pretty interesting |
15:48 |
Naphex |
anyone did any intel on the bidders yet? |
15:50 |
thestringpuller |
nanotube is an associate professor |
15:50 |
thestringpuller |
never really knew his real name |
15:51 |
Naphex |
anyone got the full bcc? |
15:52 |
los_pantalones |
i think that was the full list |
15:52 |
los_pantalones |
don't think there were any bcc |
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16:09 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.06943859 = 1.2499 BTC [+] {2} |
16:10 |
los_pantalones |
!up 1337 |
16:11 |
FabianB |
1 != l |
16:11 |
los_pantalones |
!up 1337 |
16:11 |
chetty |
!up l337 |
16:11 |
l337 |
oh, thanks chetty |
16:12 |
chetty |
yw |
16:12 |
l337 |
why couldn't you do it, los_pantalones? |
16:12 |
FabianB |
because 1 != l |
16:12 |
l337 |
ah, didn't notice that |
16:14 |
l337 |
regarding this http://trilema.com/2014/people-us-dollars-are-not-worth-a-fifth-of-a-bitcent-stop-selling/ |
16:14 |
assbot |
People! US Dollars are not worth a fifth of a Bitcent. STOP SELLING! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
16:14 |
l337 |
is MP pricing bitcoin @ $10k, did I get that right? |
16:15 |
chetty |
well he is making a point about not selling cheap if you got em to hold |
16:17 |
chetty |
I dont think we actually have very good price signals atm |
16:17 |
bitstein |
We don't. |
16:18 |
l337 |
what would constitute a good price signal tho? |
16:26 |
punkman |
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7909791 |
16:26 |
assbot |
Code Spaces data and backups deleted by hackers | Hacker News |
16:27 |
punkman |
clown-based backups |
16:30 |
fluffypony |
"Our backups were powered by Usagi" |
16:30 |
fluffypony |
I wish that was in there :( |
16:30 |
punkman |
better link http://beta.slashdot.org/story/203503 |
16:30 |
assbot |
Code Spaces Hosting Shutting Down After Attacker Deletes All Data - Slashdot |
16:31 |
davout |
los_pantalones Naphex i have 21 more e-mail addresses in mine |
16:33 |
los_pantalones |
oh, fo realz? why didn't they get dox'd with the rest ? |
16:33 |
los_pantalones |
and are you bidding or just asked them a question ? |
16:36 |
los_pantalones |
sorry, per'aps that was something i shouldn't have asked |
16:38 |
chetty |
davout, +1 spy skills |
16:38 |
davout |
there are a few addresses that have no associated name, a couple folks that lead to multiple google hits |
16:38 |
davout |
also no, i'm not bidding, and i didn't inquire |
16:39 |
los_pantalones |
oh, got it |
16:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16541 @ 0.00082894 = 13.7115 BTC [+] |
16:42 |
chetty |
!up l337 |
16:46 |
FabianB |
l337: if you lurk a few month you'll know better |
16:46 |
l337 |
will do |
16:48 |
FabianB |
l337: if you don't look short-time you might realize it's not current fiat/btc price that matters |
16:49 |
l337 |
I seem to know that already, it's the long-term value I am interested in |
16:53 |
fluffypony |
long-term I already know the price of Bitcoin |
16:53 |
fluffypony |
by the time we hit 2030 |
16:53 |
fluffypony |
1 Bitcoin will = 1 Bitcoin |
16:53 |
fluffypony |
you heard it here first |
16:53 |
fluffypony |
tell your kids |
16:53 |
Mats_cd03 |
shit, nigga |
16:53 |
fluffypony |
Mats_cd03: I'm a regular prophet |
16:54 |
fluffypony |
;;8ball will 1 Bitcoin = 1 Bitcoin by the time we hit 2030? |
16:54 |
gribble |
One would be wise to think so. |
16:54 |
fluffypony |
even gribble knows. |
16:54 |
FabianB |
too many miners don't |
16:55 |
l337 |
it must be painful spending it once the dollar goes to shit |
16:56 |
chetty |
whats a dollar? |
16:56 |
jurov |
hi all, any news around X.IDIFF.JUN? |
16:57 |
mike_c |
no settlement announcement yet |
16:57 |
mike_c |
i assume that means it will be capped. |
16:57 |
FabianB |
$depth X.IDIFF.JUN |
16:57 |
empyex |
FabianB: [X.IDIFF.JUN] Bids: |
16:57 |
empyex |
FabianB: [X.IDIFF.JUN] Asks: 4806 @ 0.01189900 100000 @ 0.01190000 1 @ 0.01200000 |
16:57 |
mike_c |
dangerous trading on settlement day. |
16:57 |
davout |
chetty: "whats a dollar?" <<< just a letter away from a collar |
16:58 |
fluffypony |
chetty: it's like Bitcoin but centralised and it has a random annual inflation set by this centralised issuer. also no block reward, lame. |
16:58 |
jurov |
yes, it's frozen on coinbr and I would like to close it today, tmrw will be mostly afk |
16:58 |
mike_c |
mircea_popescu hasn't said anything |
16:59 |
jurov |
that's why i'm asking |
16:59 |
mike_c |
just highlighting him :) |
16:59 |
* |
jurov feels derpy nao |
16:59 |
asciilifeform |
;;later tell mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs_DORLTWLU |
16:59 |
assbot |
Nassim Taleb on Anti-Fragility - YouTube |
16:59 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
17:00 |
asciilifeform |
^ finally forced myself to read that book - not a fan. despite not really disagreeing with the arguments (to the extent the man bothered to make arguments) |
17:01 |
asciilifeform |
it is very reminiscent of the 'atheism books' one finds in u.s. shops. if you were never a christian, they're a total snore. |
17:02 |
asciilifeform |
herr taleb alternates between ruminating on his personal sense of brilliance and excellent pedigree, and... punching a boxer's bag. how much fun to watch a man punch a bag? |
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17:02 |
jurov |
;;calc 4250217919*2.9 |
17:02 |
gribble |
12325631965.1 |
17:02 |
jurov |
def capped |
17:03 |
mike_c |
i would hope so. diff flipped on the 18th though. |
17:03 |
jurov |
did it? lol |
17:03 |
mike_c |
but since it hasn't been announced yet, i assume capped. |
17:03 |
mike_c |
(and i may or may not be talking my book here) |
17:09 |
fluffypony |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=656861.msg7383469#msg7383469 |
17:09 |
assbot |
CRYPTNEY- Bringing Crypto Currency to the Masses! |
17:09 |
fluffypony |
"If you are on my investors mailing list this is the email number. Please cross check. |
17:09 |
fluffypony |
To confirm email please match numbers. |
17:09 |
fluffypony |
Private investor email #134252" |
17:10 |
fluffypony |
lol |
17:10 |
fluffypony |
who needs gee pee gee when you have sekrit kodez on forumz |
17:13 |
mike_c |
if only there were a way to verify who wrote an email.. |
17:15 |
fluffypony |
mike_c: I know |
17:15 |
punkman |
yo dawg I heard u like difficulty: "The header is signed with the coinbase transaction's private key, and the hash (SHA256(SIG(header, privkey))) of that signature is smaller than a second difficulty parameter Y. " |
17:15 |
fluffypony |
it would be a marvellous invention |
17:15 |
punkman |
http://hackingdistributed.com/2014/06/18/how-to-disincentivize-large-bitcoin-mining-pools/ |
17:15 |
assbot |
How to Disincentivize Large Bitcoin Mining Pools |
17:15 |
fluffypony |
someone should add that |
17:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00082643 = 8.099 BTC [-] |
17:26 |
Mats_cd03 |
http://youtu.be/jaRsJvZgg2s |
17:26 |
assbot |
ZHU - Faded (ODESZA Remix) - YouTube |
17:29 |
dignork |
punkman: this proposition does not solve anything really. gigahash will run his private servers to solve the second puzzle, happily keeping 99% of hashing power. |
17:29 |
punkman |
I'm sure it's braindamaged |
17:29 |
punkman |
too long, didn't read |
17:31 |
dignork |
tl;dr version: we add another puzzle with controllable difficulty, which pool will have to solve, but it uses privkey, so he won't outsource it. |
17:31 |
punkman |
ah thx ;) |
17:33 |
Mats_cd03 |
https://soundcloud.com/soundremedy/moby-almost-home-sound-remedy-remix |
17:33 |
assbot |
Moby - Almost Home (Sound Remedy Remix) by Sound Remedy on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds |
17:39 |
mircea_popescu |
<punkman> 9393 was only the winners' input btw << well yes. |
17:39 |
mircea_popescu |
* chetty thinks MP has been reading tea leaves again// << the funny thingbeing... i don't even drink that much tea :D |
17:39 |
mircea_popescu |
<asciilifeform> ^ choice turdlets << ahahaha the ips are the lulzy part. |
17:40 |
mircea_popescu |
<Naphex> tre' sa fie si puletii nostri in rind cu puletii lor, nu se poa'. |
17:43 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.065 = 0.91 BTC [-] |
17:45 |
Naphex |
mircea_popescu: omu numa prostii observa si invata vad ca |
17:45 |
Naphex |
:) |
17:46 |
Naphex |
at some point maybe people will wise up and stop comming into bitcoin like its hipster web3.0 |
17:47 |
mircea_popescu |
ok so believe it or not, trilema credits just had its first hash collision. two guys with very reasonable emails + their ips hash as the same thing. who knew. |
17:48 |
Naphex |
the cookie hashing scheme seemed a bit lacking |
17:49 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex not gonna happen. remember patriciu thinking he's going to be rich by copying berlusconi (adevarul), |
17:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00082578 = 6.6888 BTC [-] |
17:49 |
mircea_popescu |
or that sad sad mic.ro debacle ? |
17:49 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google moartea ca o veste buna |
17:49 |
gribble |
Octombrie 2010 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2010/10>; Lifespiel pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/lifespiel/>; La mormantul lui ARSENIE BOCA. Parintele a lasat cu limba de ...: <http://intamplarisavante.wordpress.com/2010/11/28/la-mormantul-lui-arsenie-boca-parintele-a-lasat-cu-limba-de-moarte-ca-nimeni-sa-nu- (1 more message) |
17:49 |
mircea_popescu |
bah |
17:49 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/2010/moartea-ca-o-veste-buna/ |
17:49 |
assbot |
Moartea ca o veste buna pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
17:50 |
mircea_popescu |
that should prolly be in english |
17:51 |
Naphex |
doubt it would sound that good in english |
17:51 |
Naphex |
romanian has a good way of adding feeling into writing :) |
17:52 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess so. |
17:56 |
mircea_popescu |
los_pantalones: does anyone know if the us govt has control the private keys on the silk road wallets ? << they claim they do. |
17:56 |
mircea_popescu |
sort -of, kinda. |
17:56 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/xidiffjun-has-settled-2/ |
17:56 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony: they don't have the keys (at least not that they've admitted to), but once they have them they can beat the keys out of him with a wrench << this is a dubious proposition at best. |
17:57 |
mircea_popescu |
the difference between us being, of course, that i've had occasion to beat things out of people. |
17:57 |
TheNewDeal |
MP, i thought the US has the wallets, but they do not have the password to unencrypt |
17:58 |
mircea_popescu |
all too often it goes like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-d5yU-aQ34 |
17:58 |
assbot |
CASINO(1995) TORTURE SCENE.. - YouTube |
17:58 |
Naphex |
here is a question, will USMS send the bitcoin to the winer or give him private keys/paper wallet?:) |
17:58 |
mircea_popescu |
TheNewDeal right. |
17:58 |
TheNewDeal |
surprised he didn't have it backed up anywhere? |
17:59 |
TheNewDeal |
I am surprised * |
17:59 |
mircea_popescu |
they don't have the EXCLUSIVE now do they |
17:59 |
mircea_popescu |
info wants to be free. |
17:59 |
mircea_popescu |
for all the usg knows, we all have a copy, and the keys, and are sitting here lolling at their punk ass. |
18:00 |
TheNewDeal |
what do you mean exclusive, like the sole copy? |
18:01 |
mircea_popescu |
ya |
18:01 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman: no it's 15kb of pure horror << lol make it longer! |
18:02 |
mircea_popescu |
btw, if the usms manages to get SCAMMED out of the sale... |
18:02 |
fluffypony |
needs moar whitespace! |
18:02 |
mircea_popescu |
o boy. that'll be the lol of all time. |
18:03 |
fluffypony |
http://i.imgur.com/at1Klvk.jpg |
18:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13013 @ 0.00082547 = 10.7418 BTC [-] {2} |
18:03 |
mircea_popescu |
thestringpuller: never really knew his real name << http://trilema.com/2011/fetele-bitcoin-ului-episodul-iii/ like. |
18:03 |
assbot |
Fetele bitcoin-ului, episodul III pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
18:03 |
asciilifeform |
usms manages to get SCAMMED << had urge to bet on this, immediately after the press release. then understood that probably 'badBet.' |
18:03 |
mircea_popescu |
gotta read trilemaz. |
18:04 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7909791 << clearly usagi has a future. |
18:04 |
assbot |
Code Spaces data and backups deleted by hackers | Hacker News |
18:05 |
BingoBoingo |
Bitpay continues burning money at an alarming rate http://valleywag.gawker.com/there-will-be-a-bitcoin-ncaa-bowl-game-1592534915/+laceydonohue |
18:05 |
assbot |
There Will Be a Bitcoin NCAA Bowl Game |
18:05 |
mircea_popescu |
Mats_cd03: shit, nigga << my words exactly :D |
18:05 |
Naphex |
mircea_popescu: was that interview in romanian or translated? |
18:05 |
TheNewDeal |
3 year sponsorship... dman |
18:05 |
mircea_popescu |
translated. nanotube doesn't yet speak it |
18:06 |
BingoBoingo |
TheNewDeal: So 3-10 million burned |
18:06 |
mircea_popescu |
o hey, less than neobee |
18:06 |
TheNewDeal |
maybe even less |
18:06 |
mircea_popescu |
course, cyprus advertising is kinda useless |
18:07 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo 2.5ish afaik |
18:07 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov: hi all, any news around X.IDIFF.JUN? << was announced. |
18:07 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c ^ |
18:07 |
mike_c |
i saw. wise decision. |
18:07 |
BingoBoingo |
2.5 ish is stil close to 10% of their last fundraising round |
18:08 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform: herr taleb alternates between ruminating on his personal sense of brilliance and excellent pedigree, and... punching a boxer's bag. how much fun to watch a man punch a bag? << kinda why i wanted him to come here. |
18:08 |
mircea_popescu |
it's my estimation that he's like a russian hound running with pudels, |
18:08 |
mircea_popescu |
which is the worst thing that can happen to the hound. the poodles... well... what do they care. |
18:09 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo btw, do you know about how much a round COSTS ? |
18:09 |
mircea_popescu |
<mike_c> i saw. wise decision. << haha why, did it make you moneyz ? |
18:09 |
mike_c |
it might have :) |
18:09 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: No, but I assume it costs a lot of sweat and treasure... and equity |
18:09 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony: who needs gee pee gee when you have sekrit kodez on forumz << epic lol |
18:10 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo it costs money. |
18:10 |
mircea_popescu |
you gotta pay all sorts of people, and generally upfront fees. |
18:10 |
mircea_popescu |
this is why corps that blow a round and surivive are so rar. |
18:10 |
mircea_popescu |
e |
18:11 |
mircea_popescu |
also exactly where the vc wants them : once they're in the ring they pretty much gotta close, no matter what the termsheet. |
18:11 |
mircea_popescu |
the other side of course has no such constraints. |
18:12 |
mircea_popescu |
"Confirmado: no hay precio para el dólar. Nadie vende, solo compran a $ 12.30". |
18:12 |
TheNewDeal |
called that xdiff june was underrated |
18:12 |
mircea_popescu |
the peso looks well in trouble lol |
18:14 |
TheNewDeal |
which peso? so many |
18:14 |
mircea_popescu |
argentine |
18:15 |
mircea_popescu |
this country is getting so fucken sweet... |
18:16 |
benkay |
lol except for the machinery |
18:16 |
benkay |
how on earth are you supposed to run a machine shop when they hold your mills at the border? |
18:16 |
mircea_popescu |
"Overall, it provides a gentle fix to the recent GHash fiasco" |
18:16 |
mircea_popescu |
derp. |
18:17 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess scammers and academics will never stfu are they |
18:17 |
benkay |
seriously mircea_popescu how can one have a good time without CNC machinery? |
18:18 |
mircea_popescu |
why without ? |
18:18 |
benkay |
how to get a big-boy mill into ars? |
18:19 |
mircea_popescu |
The header is signed with the coinbase transaction's private key, and the hash (SHA256(SIG(header, privkey))) of that signature is smaller than a second difficulty parameter Y. |
18:19 |
mircea_popescu |
how the fuck can current miners preserve ths investment lmao |
18:19 |
mircea_popescu |
benkay you import it, like anything else ? |
18:19 |
benkay |
except that it gets stopped at the border. |
18:20 |
mircea_popescu |
"This mechanism is easy to devise following a community discussion that establishes the principles" |
18:20 |
mircea_popescu |
holy hell already. |
18:20 |
mircea_popescu |
benkay who told you this ? and why ? |
18:21 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, gotta broadway nao. laters. |
18:21 |
benkay |
some argentinian. to keep me from doing things? |
18:22 |
TheNewDeal |
you can't import cnc equipment into argentina? |
18:22 |
benkay |
the word i got was that large, tech-heavy equipment gets stalled at the border. |
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18:22 |
TheNewDeal |
who's going to run a cnc shop? I work on cnc equipment at the moment |
18:22 |
benkay |
but i'd just looooooove to plop down 600k to test the theory. |
18:23 |
benkay |
it's on the list of things to buy, TheNewDeal . |
18:23 |
TheNewDeal |
we could import it in parts and then bujild it |
18:23 |
TheNewDeal |
you* |
18:23 |
benkay |
hue |
18:23 |
TheNewDeal |
ewe |
18:24 |
dignork |
just funny: http://techcrunch.com/2014/06/18/bitcoin-auction/ |
18:24 |
assbot |
US Marshall Accidentally Reply-Alls Anonymous Bitcoin Auction Bidders In Email Fiasco | TechCrunch |
18:25 |
TheNewDeal |
noooo way |
18:26 |
TheNewDeal |
oh that's lame, they showed the email with blacked out names |
18:27 |
dignork |
TheNewDeal: dunno who blacked the names, somebody got the full list though |
18:27 |
TheNewDeal |
techcrunch did |
18:27 |
dignork |
usms later said that these are not bidders, just people that where asking for clarifications |
18:27 |
TheNewDeal |
or at least that is what the article claims |
18:29 |
TheNewDeal |
in other news, "US Marshal only spelled with one L" |
18:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5136 @ 0.00082459 = 4.2351 BTC [-] |
18:30 |
asciilifeform |
benkay: i hear they'll let your machine through if you bring it as... carry-on baggage |
18:34 |
TheNewDeal |
good luck with that |
18:35 |
TheNewDeal |
you're asking for many questions from people who will be very suspicious and will not understand your answers |
18:36 |
* |
asciilifeform carried a fat oscilloscope and ominous-looking crate with sample boards through u.s, german, romanian customs; nobody blinked an eye |
18:37 |
asciilifeform |
i suppose if your cargo looks immediately valuable, you might have problems. |
18:37 |
TheNewDeal |
thats ridiculous |
18:38 |
TheNewDeal |
o-scope was phat though |
18:38 |
jurov |
you should have painted it as doomsday device |
18:39 |
TheNewDeal |
nuclear warning |
18:39 |
asciilifeform |
take analog scope, glue fins. |
18:39 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 51 @ 0.068 = 3.468 BTC [+] {2} |
18:40 |
TheNewDeal |
how expensive is an analog scope? |
18:40 |
asciilifeform |
TheNewDeal: if you make the right friends - free. |
18:41 |
asciilifeform |
TheNewDeal: if you want a new unit with reasonable bandwidth - a few $K. |
18:41 |
TheNewDeal |
thats what I was seeing when I looked it up. quite amazed |
18:41 |
asciilifeform |
it'll put you over the weight limit for most airlines, though. |
18:42 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06987478 = 0.6987 BTC [+] |
18:43 |
TheNewDeal |
50 pounds?!? |
18:43 |
asciilifeform |
approx |
18:43 |
TheNewDeal |
whaaaaat |
18:43 |
asciilifeform |
varies. |
18:44 |
TheNewDeal |
thats ridiculous |
18:44 |
asciilifeform |
analogue scope has its virtues. as i understand, most tech types own both kinds. |
18:46 |
TheNewDeal |
what do they have in university labs? I always assumed those ones were very inexpensive |
18:46 |
asciilifeform |
TheNewDeal: usually chinese digital scopes, like mine |
18:46 |
TheNewDeal |
ahhhh |
18:46 |
asciilifeform |
depends on the uni |
18:47 |
TheNewDeal |
of course |
18:47 |
asciilifeform |
mine must've had a good payola year, because they had costly hp units |
18:49 |
TheNewDeal |
oOo |
18:54 |
BingoBoingo |
http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/06/hacker-infects-synology-storage-devices-makes-off-with-620000-in-dogecoin/ |
18:54 |
assbot |
Hacker infects Synology storage devices, makes off with $620,000 in Dogecoin | Ars Technica |
18:54 |
TheNewDeal |
ascii why did you say that buproprion is useless? |
18:55 |
asciilifeform |
TheNewDeal: useless is perhaps wrong word |
18:55 |
asciilifeform |
pharmacologically weak, like 'nonalcoholic' beer, rather. |
18:56 |
asciilifeform |
you can get 'real' dopamine reuptake inhibitors - but in dark alley, not pharmacy. |
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18:56 |
assbot |
Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2Q980S5.txt ) |
18:56 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 4 |
18:57 |
BingoBoingo |
I'm telling you that cholorine atom on the ring is the only thing holding it back from greatness and success in the back alley |
18:58 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: snip it, add a methyl, ---> methcathinone |
18:58 |
asciilifeform |
(brief career as antidepressant in ussr) |
18:58 |
TheNewDeal |
what is the way to rate a dopamine reuptake inhibitor |
18:58 |
asciilifeform |
now a kitchen favourite in usa |
19:00 |
asciilifeform |
*snip methyl |
19:01 |
BingoBoingo |
It's really amazing how many catecholemine affecting drugs are merely the base chemical with various things snipped or tacked on... |
19:01 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
19:03 |
BingoBoingo |
Entirely different effects built from the same core https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propanolol#mediaviewer/File:Propranolol-skeletal.svg |
19:03 |
assbot |
Propranolol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
19:05 |
asciilifeform |
http://imgur.com/JlsaEDI << drug for ThePoor (tm) |
19:05 |
assbot |
imgur: the simple image sharer |
19:05 |
BingoBoingo |
lol |
19:10 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: http://i34.tinypic.com/34sqzx2.jpg |
19:13 |
TheNewDeal |
you two are ridiculous |
19:26 |
jurov |
dudes and gals, you were really in bashful mood recently |
19:26 |
jurov |
22 quotes added |
19:31 |
Naphex |
"The Amazon phone is finally here: Amazon unveils the Fire Phone" -> http://boygeniusreport.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/bgr-amazon-smartphone-kindle-fire-phone.jpg?w=952&h=575&crop=1 |
19:32 |
Naphex |
so.. iphone with windows ui, got it |
19:32 |
Naphex |
lousy name for a product though, fire phone |
19:32 |
mike_c |
i think amazon runs custom droid builds |
19:34 |
jurov |
!up justlurking |
19:35 |
jurov |
!up dignork |
19:35 |
punkman |
but jurov he only wanted to lurk |
19:36 |
justlurking |
thanks jurov; I'm here pre-Yeshiva |
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19:53 |
BingoBoingo |
justlurking: Another one of Pete's jews? |
19:53 |
benkay |
lol |
19:53 |
TheNewDeal |
lol |
19:55 |
BingoBoingo |
justlurking: You could do the thing I did, pick a silly name and then later find out you are stuck with it. |
19:55 |
justlurking |
probably? |
19:56 |
benkay |
that will definitely happen. |
19:56 |
benkay |
pick a name you like and use it. |
19:57 |
justlurking |
yep, starting my 6 month indoctrination thanks to pete |
20:03 |
TheNewDeal |
I was actually allowed to change my name :D |
20:05 |
mike_c |
tredos something something? |
20:05 |
BingoBoingo |
!up justlurking |
20:07 |
BingoBoingo |
;;google manul |
20:07 |
gribble |
Pallas's cat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pallas's_cat>; Pallas's Cat Manul - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F13bkwYYcxE>; Manul – the Cat that Time Forgot ~ The Ark In Space: <http://www.arkinspace.com/2011/04/manul-cat-that-time-forgot.html> |
20:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00082303 = 21.0696 BTC [-] {5} |
20:10 |
TheNewDeal |
so I was just reading about the sentencing of Sabu. does anyone know the first time a judge mandated a keylogger in the USSA? |
20:10 |
BingoBoingo |
That we know of... |
20:10 |
TheNewDeal |
what? |
20:11 |
TheNewDeal |
I was asking what was the first time you heard of that |
20:11 |
BingoBoingo |
The first time a keylogger was mandated may have come from one of those seekrit courts |
20:12 |
BingoBoingo |
You know like the ones that order those drone strikes |
20:12 |
TheNewDeal |
not really. never heard of a court mandated drone strike |
20:13 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, Obama's a lawyer so he just kind of holds these things himself |
20:13 |
BingoBoingo |
It's why BitBet is a better court |
20:14 |
TheNewDeal |
reading about it as we speak |
20:18 |
moiety |
http://i.imgur.com/qQn4C.jpg |
20:19 |
TheNewDeal |
manul!? |
20:22 |
moiety |
TheNewDeal: yeah i get a note when manul is mentioned so i just returned a picture.... like a manual manul bot, if you will :D |
20:23 |
assbot |
Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0HF2694.txt ) |
20:23 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 1 |
20:27 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/01/patients-die/ |
20:27 |
assbot |
Medical Students Horrified to Learn that all Patients Die, Eventually | Medical Satire - GomerBlog |
20:29 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.gomerblog.com/2013/11/weight-loss-worms/ |
20:29 |
assbot |
Secret of Successful Weight Loss Clinic: Tape Worms | Medical Satire - GomerBlog |
20:31 |
TheNewDeal |
bingoboingo, that we weren't able to strike a deal on the difficulty had little to do with wording. More to do with you placing your bet later than I trying to sell my Yes bets |
20:33 |
BingoBoingo |
TheNewDeal: Well, it was a simple disagreement in pricing. Particularly how to price these things. We both disagree on how to do it. |
20:34 |
TheNewDeal |
I think it's rather trivial to price them, but finding something that would make sense financially between the two of us was the difficult task |
20:35 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, there's also the problem whereing I lack the experience and reputation to feel comfortable selling a synthetic bet. |
20:36 |
TheNewDeal |
uncomfortable, it is *yoda voice* |
20:36 |
BingoBoingo |
Maybe if I MM'd MPOE options I'd feel comfortable offering a synthetic, but as a person who MM's ATC... |
20:37 |
BingoBoingo |
%book |
20:37 |
atcbot |
2k@240 16k@235 50k@201 | 50k@161 216k@160 500k@151 |
20:37 |
TheNewDeal |
haha |
20:39 |
BingoBoingo |
Even though the circumstances in which the actual underlying couldn't cover the synthetic would have been exceedingly unlikely... Trading on an artificial weight would have set a bad precedent. |
20:39 |
BingoBoingo |
%ticker |
20:39 |
atcbot |
[X-BT] Bid: 161 Ask: 201 Last Price: 201 24h-Vol: 37k High: 235 Low: 150 VWAP: 160 |
20:39 |
TheNewDeal |
well you did offer the buyer (mike_c was it?) a discount on the price |
20:39 |
TheNewDeal |
which is essentially the same thing |
20:42 |
BingoBoingo |
TheNewDeal: Sure I offered a discount, and I tried offering you the same as well. A discount and a synthetic weight though are very different animals. |
20:42 |
TheNewDeal |
depending on the amount being purchased though |
20:43 |
TheNewDeal |
if you originally bet 1 btc, you could "get away with" selling .5 btc at double the timeweight |
20:44 |
TheNewDeal |
neglecting the 1% fee... |
20:44 |
BingoBoingo |
"get away with" at the cost of setting a horrible precedent |
20:45 |
asciilifeform |
sabu sentenced to keylogger << 2015: public urinator sentenced to toiletcam |
20:45 |
TheNewDeal |
hahahaha |
20:47 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Pierre_Rochard |
20:54 |
punkman |
;;view |
20:54 |
gribble |
#20792 Wed Jun 18 20:53:44 2014 punkman SELL 1.0 hour of tech support @ 0.02 BTC (Support for bitbet.py (https://bitbucket.org/abfg/bitbet.py) , Minor feature requests accommodated. While supplies last.) |
20:55 |
punkman |
hurr hurr |
20:55 |
TheNewDeal |
tech support |
20:55 |
TheNewDeal |
can you expand |
20:55 |
punkman |
getting it installed, usage, etc |
20:56 |
TheNewDeal |
did you develop it? |
20:56 |
punkman |
in a hurry |
20:58 |
TheNewDeal |
might have to hit you up with that later |
20:59 |
TheNewDeal |
;;rate punkman 0 bitbet.py developer, selling support |
20:59 |
gribble |
Error: Rating must be in the interval [-10, 10] and cannot be zero. |
20:59 |
TheNewDeal |
whaaat |
20:59 |
TheNewDeal |
haven't you heard of neutral gribble? |
21:00 |
BingoBoingo |
;;rate punkman 1 gambling software |
21:00 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user punkman has been recorded. |
21:02 |
TheNewDeal |
;;rate punkman 1 bitbet.py developer, selling support |
21:02 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user punkman has been recorded. |
21:02 |
punkman |
TheNewDeal: here's how it looks now: http://i.imgur.com/6mwsor1.png |
21:03 |
TheNewDeal |
yah I think bingoboingo was showing me outputs the other day |
21:03 |
BingoBoingo |
punkman: is this a whole new Bitbet.py |
21:04 |
punkman |
BingoBoingo: nothing to do with that old bitbets.py |
21:04 |
BingoBoingo |
punkman: Maybe give it a new name then... |
21:04 |
BingoBoingo |
TheNewDeal: I used the original |
21:05 |
punkman |
suggestions welcome, but levenshtein distance of 1 is good enough for me :P |
21:06 |
TheNewDeal |
here's a potential suggestion to ponder, we can talk about it more if I get back at you. Placing future bets to see how the pot changes |
21:06 |
punkman |
that's what it does |
21:06 |
TheNewDeal |
oh rery |
21:06 |
TheNewDeal |
it doesn't analyze only the current list of bets to date? |
21:07 |
BingoBoingo |
That's kinda the whole point of these tools |
21:07 |
BingoBoingo |
adding hypothetical future and past bets |
21:07 |
BingoBoingo |
Drugs http://assets.vice.com/content-images/contentimage/162417/1fing.jpg |
21:08 |
BingoBoingo |
Lead to http://gawker.com/teen-loses-finger-during-rave-keeps-going-because-bas-1592911313 |
21:08 |
assbot |
Teen Loses Finger During Rave, Keeps Going Because "Bass Was Hard" |
21:08 |
punkman |
the "*me" bet in the screenshot is a hypothetical bet |
21:10 |
TheNewDeal |
ridiculous |
21:10 |
moiety |
i watched this program called "What Happens in Kavos" and it was all people like that. broken legs, ribs, noses but so wasted they either don't notice or don't feel it enough to do anything about it |
21:11 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, the right combinations of lights and sounds can be as dirorienting as the drugs |
21:12 |
punkman |
moiety: yeah that seems to be a common theme where brits go to vacation |
21:14 |
moiety |
so silly, why pay to get broken |
21:15 |
BingoBoingo |
Sometimes the fun in an activity comes from the potential for breaking, and the times people break reinforce the excitement. |
21:17 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.newsweek.com/2014/06/27/steven-hatfills-strange-trip-accused-terrorist-medical-adventurer-255295.html |
21:23 |
asciilifeform |
;;google bruce ivings |
21:23 |
gribble |
Bruce Edwards Ivins - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Edwards_Ivins>; Affidavit in Support of Search Warrant - FindLaw Legal News: <http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/amerithrax/08-083-M-01-search-warrant-affidavit.pdf>; Long Term Housing Strategy - Bruce County, Ontario, Canada: <http://www.brucecounty.on.ca/services-health/social-housing (1 more message) |
21:23 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: ^ related |
21:24 |
asciilifeform |
^ case of 'staple gun'-style 'suicide' |
21:24 |
asciilifeform |
scandal was pinned on the corpse. case closed. |
21:26 |
BingoBoingo |
Yeah. Hatfill's current plans are interesting though now that he has extracted money from the gasenwagen's cheerleaders |
21:27 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: have you seen this home-spun open source Verilog tool: http://www.clifford.at/yosys/ |
21:27 |
assbot |
Yosys Open SYnthesis Suite :: About |
21:28 |
BingoBoingo |
Antrax was an absolutely stupid thing to try weaponizing while https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burkholderia_pseudomallei exists |
21:28 |
assbot |
Burkholderia pseudomallei - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
21:28 |
decimation |
supposed these people will make you a chip for ~$500 https://www.efabless.com/ - long on hype and short on details though |
21:29 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: these are a dime a dozen. not very useful for fpga work, as the latter have proprietary pieces that, if you do not use, leave you with a monstrously bloated design that fits nowhere. |
21:29 |
kakobrekla |
;;rate punkman 1 bitbet cli dev |
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21:29 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user punkman has been recorded. |
21:30 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: $500 << do they also have a bridge we can buy ? |
21:30 |
decimation |
yeah the problem is that even if you could get a chip made for free, the cost of reasonable tools to make reasonable designs are prohibative |
21:30 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: not really. can use, e.g. 'magic' |
21:31 |
BingoBoingo |
I kind of wonder what an asynchronous ASIC design would do to BTC mining |
21:31 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: only one way to find out |
21:32 |
decimation |
oh yeah I forgot that guy - I think you sent the link before. I was amused by the Tcl |
21:33 |
decimation |
http://www.planetanalog.com/author.asp?section_id=519 "MK: The cost is going to be dependent on the process technology, but let's assume it can be in 0.35 or 0.18. Most designs are probably going to be done for about $500 plus silicon costs which could be in the hundreds or low thousands of dollars. You will get your chips in about eight to ten weeks." |
21:33 |
assbot |
Planet Analog - Brian Bailey - Mohamed Kassem: Q&A With the Company Founder |
21:33 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Of course. It would either be the last great way to profit from mining or an loss, magnitude to be determined |
21:33 |
decimation |
ancient process of course, but still would be very useful if true |
21:34 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: crucial details missing. e.g. turnaround, yield (% working), whether they package the dies |
21:34 |
asciilifeform |
(if unpackaged - have fun welding the gold whiskers on yourself) |
21:34 |
BingoBoingo |
"Hatfill looked up, holding his cash and smiling, and said, At least let John Ashcroft pay for it." |
21:35 |
asciilifeform |
likewise, your design will go straight to the chicoms, who will produce it at their pleasure. |
21:35 |
decimation |
heh yeah unpackaged would be pretty useless |
21:35 |
BingoBoingo |
In about 12 hours I have an interview for a job in the bezzel economy, so pumped |
21:35 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: you've been starving all this time? |
21:36 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Not starving, scraping. Live poor nao to live rich later. |
21:37 |
BingoBoingo |
;;google site:trilema.com live to be a millionaire |
21:37 |
gribble |
How to live to be rich. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/how-to-live-to-be-rich>; Queers pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/queers/>; Fred Quimby and ancient evils pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/fred-quimby-and-ancient-evils/> |
21:41 |
asciilifeform |
it's a great essay, but ought to have been named 'how to die to be rich' |
21:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2250 @ 0.0008261 = 1.8587 BTC [+] |
21:42 |
BingoBoingo |
Eh, details |
21:42 |
asciilifeform |
also ignores certain unpleasant realities: |
21:42 |
asciilifeform |
e.g. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2014#606983 |
21:42 |
assbot |
#bitcoin-assets log |
21:44 |
decimation |
http://www.isegoria.net/2014/06/the-chaos-wrought-by-progressive-education/ |
21:44 |
assbot |
The Chaos Wrought By Progressive Education « Isegoria |
21:44 |
decimation |
Everyone at our school knows who Dylan is. He comes and goes to lessons as he pleases, habitually swears at teachers, and is an accomplished playground bully. ... I was surprised to hear Dylan?s name announced. He had collected one of the largest amounts of ?reward stickers? in year seven, and was due to collect a prize. Many teachers, it turned out, had taken to bribing him with these stickers in a desperate attempt to appease his |
21:44 |
decimation |
unruliness. |
21:45 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: It turns out that the cure to an American "Liberal Arts" education is resenting the part where you live on dry noodles. |
21:46 |
asciilifeform |
plenty of engineers living on noodles. |
21:46 |
asciilifeform |
no longer monopoly of starving artists. |
21:46 |
decimation |
that kanzure dude is nuts |
21:46 |
BingoBoingo |
You also learn the color of the dandelion greens at their best if you are smart. |
21:47 |
decimation |
all the numbers I've see from the bay area companies show that senior engineers are making maybe $150k |
21:47 |
decimation |
when a 'house' costs 700-1000k, that's wave slavery |
21:47 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: kanzure is a friend of a good chum of mine. as i understand, he made 'fuck you money' in one of the last 'dotcom' bubbles and wanders around the world. |
21:48 |
decimation |
that's cool, but that's nothing to do with engineering salaries |
21:48 |
decimation |
Of course, there is a "power law" effect in these kinds of things - only the best guys make bank, the rest deminish exponentially |
21:48 |
asciilifeform |
i don't know him well. if you want to dispute his info, wake him up (he does - did? lurk here) |
21:49 |
asciilifeform |
;;google tournament market |
21:49 |
gribble |
The Man Who Wasn't There | Science Careers: <http://sciencecareers.sciencemag.org/career_magazine/previous_issues/articles/2009_02_13/caredit.a0900021>; Marketing your first-year soccer tournament - TourneyCentral: <http://www.tourneycentral.com/marketing-your-first-year-soccer-tournament.html>; Five Keys to Marketing a New Soccer Tournament | The PTM Blog: (1 more message) |
21:49 |
decimation |
http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Google-Salaries-E9079.htm |
21:49 |
assbot |
Google Salaries and Benefits | Glassdoor |
21:49 |
asciilifeform |
1st link |
21:49 |
asciilifeform |
see also greenspun. |
21:50 |
asciilifeform |
what a google grunt is paid is entirely uninteresting except in light of knowing what he pays to live |
21:50 |
decimation |
yeah, I was reading greenspun last night and I thought of you - his post about the low quality of rentals available to citizens |
21:50 |
BingoBoingo |
If I get this bezzel job I don't plan to pay more than $300.month to rent |
21:51 |
asciilifeform |
http://sciencecareers.sciencemag.org/career_magazine/previous_issues/articles/2009_02_13/caredit.a0900021 << recommended reading |
21:51 |
assbot |
The Man Who Wasn't There | Science Careers |
21:51 |
asciilifeform |
'One of various ways of organizing work that economists have identified, a tournament market "offers participants the chance of winning a big prize--an independent research career, tenure, a named chair, scientific renown, awards--through competition," writes Richard Freeman and co-authors. Tournament markets amplify "small differences in productivity into large differences in recognition and reward," Freeman an |
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21:51 |
asciilifeform |
d co-authors continue. Academic science is only one such market; other familiar examples include rock music, professional sports, and national politics. ' |
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21:53 |
asciilifeform |
i often say to people, that they should calculate their salary per minute of doing-something-they'd-rather-not |
21:53 |
asciilifeform |
e.g. if you have to drive a car to the plant, start the 'clock' from when you turn the ignition key |
21:53 |
asciilifeform |
and stop it when you come home and take off your shoes |
21:54 |
asciilifeform |
likewise, subtract any money you are forced to spend (e.g. google man must pay $50k/yr, say, to live within 2 hrs. drive of the plant) from your salary. |
21:54 |
asciilifeform |
then see who is rich, who is a pauper |
21:54 |
decimation |
people don't want to do those calculations - they know the truth and they don't want to face it |
21:54 |
asciilifeform |
there's a reason, for example, why e.g. a spammer will 'work 16 hours a day to make money while he sleeps' |
21:55 |
asciilifeform |
no car, no boss, no $1000 suits, no clock, etc |
21:56 |
asciilifeform |
mr. spam can live in a roach-infested hovel and actually keep 90% of his bread crumbs |
21:56 |
asciilifeform |
mr. google - not so much |
21:56 |
BingoBoingo |
In the location I'm looking at $3.2 k/year rents a ten minute walk from work, no roomates, because they are horrible for opsec |
21:57 |
decimation |
what I would like an "economist" to explain to me is why we subject science and engineering to such high competition but professions like collecting welfare, teaching k-12, gov't employee, etc are subject to no pressure whatsoever |
21:57 |
decimation |
why do those people deserve to be sheltered from the harshness of reality? |
21:57 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: the pressure is moved to the queue in front of the pig trough |
21:58 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: bureaucrats are paid quite little if you perform my calculation |
21:58 |
asciilifeform |
at least where i live |
21:59 |
decimation |
yeah that's definitely true, even the top of the pile |
21:59 |
asciilifeform |
welfare folks 'pay' by having to live in specially designated concentration camps |
21:59 |
decimation |
hell Obama only makes $400k |
21:59 |
decimation |
teachers "pay" by being unable to actually practice their craft (see my above link) |
22:00 |
Mats_cd03 |
wtf 3200/yr |
22:00 |
asciilifeform |
alaska? |
22:00 |
Mats_cd03 |
are you living in a fucking trap house |
22:00 |
decimation |
alaska is actually pretty expensive |
22:01 |
decimation |
n. dakota is cheap |
22:01 |
asciilifeform |
afaik folks get housed on company dime at drilling platform |
22:01 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Dying college town. Competing against a shortage of broke grad students |
22:02 |
BingoBoingo |
Mats_cd03: These places exist in the middle of the US |
22:02 |
Mats_cd03 |
i see |
22:05 |
decimation |
re: redskins trademark cancellation : http://theden.tv/2014/06/18/u-s-patent-and-trade-office-cancels-disparaging-redskins-trademark/ |
22:05 |
assbot |
U.S. Patent and Trade Office Cancels ‘Disparaging’ Redskins Trademark | Theden | Thedening the West |
22:05 |
decimation |
Federal trademark law does not permit registration of trademarks that ?may disparage? individuals or groups or ?bring them into contempt or disrepute.? |
22:06 |
mircea_popescu |
but the thing is... this wasn't being registered. |
22:06 |
mircea_popescu |
it was registered *already* |
22:06 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: this is a more interesting event than appears at first. they just zapped 'stare decisis' |
22:06 |
mircea_popescu |
what law allows the office to randomly re-register trademarks ? |
22:06 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform exactly. |
22:06 |
asciilifeform |
e.g. the authority of the past N years, when the trademark was legal - where is it now. |
22:06 |
decimation |
I thought it was illeagal for a bill of attainder |
22:07 |
mircea_popescu |
basically the us has no further guaranteed rights. |
22:07 |
decimation |
what's the difference between making a law condeming joe to death, vs a law that condemns the redskins trademark to death? |
22:07 |
decimation |
for arbitray reasons? |
22:07 |
mircea_popescu |
not to property (the so called process "in rem", eminent domain, a whole list) |
22:07 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: no law involved - in the usual sense |
22:07 |
mircea_popescu |
not to fair process |
22:07 |
mircea_popescu |
not to anything |
22:07 |
BingoBoingo |
It is amazing people can talk in this state www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs4.asp?DocName=072000050HArt.+26.5&ActID=1876&ChapterID=53&SeqStart=74600000&SeqEnd=75300000 |
22:07 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
22:07 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation this wasn't a law, to begin with |
22:08 |
mircea_popescu |
the entire "attainder" thing is the result of internet fucktards opining on matters. i wouldn't repeat it. |
22:08 |
decimation |
yeah it's a civil case, as opposed to criminal |
22:09 |
mircea_popescu |
patents are an administrative matter. |
22:09 |
decimation |
oh yeah this isn't even a real court, just a commitee of government employees |
22:09 |
decimation |
well, derp derp who cares what the opinion of usg employees are |
22:10 |
mircea_popescu |
us citizens, as subjects of the usg. |
22:10 |
decimation |
so you often complain about the 'rule of law not men' |
22:10 |
mircea_popescu |
benkay: the word i got was that large, tech-heavy equipment gets stalled at the border. << anything fucktarder muricans do gets stalled everywhgere. |
22:10 |
mircea_popescu |
this is because nobody can stand them. |
22:11 |
decimation |
in this case, derpy nobodies are ruling |
22:11 |
decimation |
irrespective of controlling laws |
22:11 |
BingoBoingo |
I'm still realling that the Bitpay bought one of the most expensive and lowest return forms of advertising. |
22:11 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation the problem with trying to promote a system of "laws not men" is that ONLY men can rule. and so under the guise of "laws not men" that keeps actual men away |
22:11 |
mircea_popescu |
the cockless dickheads rule. |
22:12 |
decimation |
yeah, you could say that we are ruled by non-men, as opposed to men, because laws cannot rule anyone by themselves |
22:12 |
asciilifeform |
anything fucktarder muricans do gets stalled << whatever the reason - let's say benkay or i need to get a crate of strange through Ar door. no go, because passport is wrong color. or this is disinfo ? |
22:12 |
mircea_popescu |
TheNewDeal: noooo way ?<< yes way. these are the fuckwits that want to be involved as adults |
22:12 |
mircea_popescu |
instead of doing what i fucking tell them to do. |
22:12 |
mircea_popescu |
like the children they are. |
22:13 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform possibly no go, because you don;'t know how to ask. |
22:13 |
mircea_popescu |
much like, you want to pick up a chick. no go, because... passport the wrong color ? notrly. |
22:15 |
mircea_popescu |
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--1bXIe06V--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/w33uouiq516gt1btjhjt.jpg << lol they dug upo that old gallippi pic did they |
22:16 |
BingoBoingo |
Yeah they did |
22:16 |
mircea_popescu |
did bitpay pr, ever clever and professional, have anything to say yet ? |
22:17 |
asciilifeform |
don't know how to ask << makes a difference if this is a fixable condition (know who to pay off, etc) or more difficult (have the correct uncle) |
22:17 |
mircea_popescu |
for something like importing machinery, definitely the former. |
22:19 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: I've been looking around slowly. Not found anything yet. |
22:20 |
mircea_popescu |
today in the news, pretend you're a corp, pretend you've got 30mn investment, fail to have any pr whatsoever. |
22:20 |
mircea_popescu |
how people can be this stupid still amazes me. i mean sure, forum derps, okay, they're all by themselves. |
22:20 |
mircea_popescu |
but by now... |
22:20 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: consider benkay's point. if i have to wrap sample pcbs in benjamins to get them through customs, this ought to be considered a cost of doing business in Ar |
22:20 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-ncaa-college-football-bowl-sponsorship-bitpay/ is closest I've found to Bitpay Pr so far. |
22:20 |
assbot |
Attention Required! | CloudFlare |
22:20 |
asciilifeform |
doesn't look quite so cheap then, no? |
22:20 |
BingoBoingo |
Oh, coindesk nao hates assbot |
22:21 |
mircea_popescu |
lol attention required. |
22:21 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform what was looking cheap in the first place, or what were we saying ? |
22:21 |
BingoBoingo |
I like how Bitpay couldn't even sponsor a game in a stadium actually suited to the sport. |
22:21 |
asciilifeform |
Ar, india, etc. look cheap to the uninitiated. |
22:21 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo it is not the place of start-ups to sponsor anyway |
22:22 |
asciilifeform |
until you move in and try to get, e.g. smt resistors shipped in from malaysia |
22:22 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform sure, it's cheap. depends what you want. |
22:22 |
asciilifeform |
or pick'n'placers from russia |
22:22 |
mircea_popescu |
but if you want that, why the fuck would you not be in malaysia or russia. |
22:22 |
asciilifeform |
because not one of these actually contains everything you need for the production line |
22:23 |
decimation |
china/taiwan do |
22:23 |
mircea_popescu |
so what does argentina contain that you need for your production line ? |
22:23 |
mircea_popescu |
i keep trying to get this out for awhile nao |
22:23 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Not at all. I guess Imma have to blog. |
22:23 |
asciilifeform |
better question - what it doesn't contain. |
22:23 |
asciilifeform |
e.g. der wagen |
22:23 |
mircea_popescu |
and malaysia does ?! |
22:23 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: In any worthwhile endeavor the highest cost belongs to becoming initiated |
22:23 |
decimation |
well, it certianly isn't down the street from hong kong |
22:24 |
BingoBoingo |
%book |
22:24 |
atcbot |
2k@240 16k@235 50k@201 | 50k@161 216k@160 500k@151 |
22:24 |
mircea_popescu |
think strategically. argentina is a dead end. hong kong is a center. is your business suited for which exactly ? |
22:24 |
mircea_popescu |
dead ends are eminently defensible. centers are centers of trade for that reason |
22:25 |
mircea_popescu |
what are you building ? |
22:25 |
asciilifeform |
small electronic widgets. |
22:25 |
decimation |
there is a point to that. If you could become legally "untouchable" for a few $100k in bribes to the right people, that's of significant value |
22:25 |
mircea_popescu |
so then because of your dependency on azn manufacturers you conceivably want your business run there |
22:26 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: ever do business with han chinese ? |
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22:26 |
mircea_popescu |
notrly. |
22:27 |
mircea_popescu |
not on their turf, anyway. |
22:27 |
asciilifeform |
if you've no 'guanxi', you're 'not in his WoT' |
22:27 |
asciilifeform |
;;google guanxi |
22:27 |
mircea_popescu |
i can attest that when you can have their head, they're reasonable, fwtw. |
22:27 |
gribble |
Guanxi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanxi>; What is Guanxi? | World Learner Chinese: <http://www.worldlearnerchinese.com/content/what-guanxi>; Want To Capitalize On China? You Better Have Good Guanxi - Forbes: <http://www.forbes.com/sites/languatica/2012/03/15/want-to-capitalize-on-china-you-better-have-good-guanxi/> |
22:27 |
mircea_popescu |
that i doubt very much. |
22:27 |
mircea_popescu |
i've yet to have a problem with getting in the wot. |
22:27 |
mircea_popescu |
then again, im the sort that learns the language and fucks local. |
22:29 |
decimation |
mircea, I suspect the sayings of don colacho would be an excellent way to brush up on spanish: http://don-colacho.blogspot.com/ |
22:29 |
assbot |
Don Colacho’s Aphorisms |
22:30 |
mircea_popescu |
but... it's in engliush ?! |
22:30 |
asciilifeform |
chinese 'WoT' (like in other asian nations) is very heavily tilted in direction of blood relation |
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22:30 |
asciilifeform |
or at least marriage |
22:30 |
decimation |
the original text isn't. click on a link and see the original: http://don-colacho.blogspot.com/2011/02/2862.html |
22:30 |
assbot |
Don Colacho’s Aphorisms: #2,862 |
22:31 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform everytrhing has its exceptions. what do i care what the statistics are ? |
22:31 |
asciilifeform |
they'll do buisiness, yes. and at some point, your operation takes off, you find your factory nationalized. |
22:31 |
asciilifeform |
or otherwise 'have problems' |
22:31 |
mircea_popescu |
whoredom is heavily tilted in the direction of blondes, yet any girl i train can top any brothel she wants. |
22:32 |
mircea_popescu |
or maybe they do. |
22:32 |
decimation |
http://don-colacho.blogspot.com/2010/01/30.html When people stop fighting for the possession of private property, they will fight for the usufruct in collective property. |
22:32 |
assbot |
Don Colacho’s Aphorisms: #30 |
22:33 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: i can't rightfully say china is 'immovable object.' if you care to try 'irresistible force' there, we'll watch, cheer. |
22:33 |
mircea_popescu |
everything's an immovable object for something or the other. |
22:33 |
mircea_popescu |
how did they end up run by the mongols ? |
22:34 |
BingoBoingo |
"unstoppable force" actually beats immovable object in practice |
22:35 |
decimation |
so even usg's hilarious inflation numbers are showing inflation http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/17/us-usa-economy-idUSKBN0ES1C620140617 |
22:35 |
assbot |
U.S. consumer prices show inflation ticking up| Reuters |
22:35 |
* |
asciilifeform is forced to reluctantly love chinese - they're the only 'pepsi' we've got left. |
22:35 |
BingoBoingo |
Actually unstoppable forces decay within several generations |
22:35 |
decimation |
I wonder if this has to do with the sudden uptick in acquisitions by the bezzle masters |
22:35 |
mircea_popescu |
what, argentines are pepsi too. |
22:36 |
mircea_popescu |
(to add to the humour, in romanian "being pepsi" pretty much means being fucked up) |
22:36 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
22:36 |
moiety |
night all :] |
22:37 |
mircea_popescu |
laters |
22:37 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: if you ever have time, consider writing a piece about Ar circa '98-'02 |
22:37 |
mircea_popescu |
im really not that advanced just yet |
22:37 |
asciilifeform |
my (no means) expert understanding - they let themselves get arseraped by us banks |
22:37 |
decimation |
ascii why don't the russians get into electronics/computer manufacturing? have they managed to chase away the talent? |
22:38 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: start with the soviet mistake (circa mid-70s) of scrapping their own (interesting! e.g. trinary!) comp. research and deciding to copy western archs - e.g. pdp |
22:38 |
asciilifeform |
in order to run warez |
22:39 |
asciilifeform |
(western hardware was difficult to get - trade embargoed, had to go through shill companies) |
22:39 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform i don't quite see it. so far, they got 50 bn or so, not paying it back |
22:39 |
mircea_popescu |
seems they assraped the us banks to me. |
22:40 |
asciilifeform |
http://ferfal.blogspot.com << disinfo ? |
22:40 |
assbot |
SURVIVING IN ARGENTINA |
22:40 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: this is rather like supposing that russia (default of late 90s) raped us banks |
22:40 |
decimation |
the elite did, kind of |
22:41 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform didn't it ? |
22:41 |
asciilifeform |
for some value of 'it' |
22:41 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation the country is the elite. |
22:41 |
mircea_popescu |
mobile vulgus has no patria. |
22:41 |
asciilifeform |
the objective - entirely non-monetary - ensure that russian industry gets sawn apart for metals - was achieved. |
22:42 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform the russian industry, such as it was, was crap. it was going to get sold for scrap anyway. |
22:42 |
mircea_popescu |
now, its owners had the unmitigated idiocy of not keeping proper capital on hand. |
22:42 |
decimation |
yeah when you have a traubant factory that employs 50,000 people things are not going to work out well in the long run |
22:42 |
mircea_popescu |
so a bankruptcy was necessary |
22:42 |
BingoBoingo |
In a firesale I wonder if Iowa has more value as agriculture or uranium |
22:43 |
asciilifeform |
was crap << complicated. if you want sovereignty - gotta crank out the hardware, best as you can. |
22:43 |
mircea_popescu |
not true. |
22:43 |
mircea_popescu |
im a sovereign that doesn't even suck its own cock, how about that! |
22:43 |
mircea_popescu |
shouldn't even exist!!1 |
22:43 |
asciilifeform |
lenin suggested that the west 'will sell you the rope to hang it with.' not sure if this can be meant literally - could russia buy working nukes from the targets? |
22:44 |
mircea_popescu |
dude as if russian industry = nukes in any sense. |
22:44 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Not the whole things, but lands were the scarce lives |
22:44 |
decimation |
I blame this guy http://jeffsachs.org/2012/03/what-i-did-in-russia/ |
22:44 |
assbot |
What I did in Russia Jeffrey Sachs |
22:44 |
mircea_popescu |
every single piece of automotive machinery, from cars to trains, airplanes and anything else, that uses too much fuel to be economically usable is either russian make or russian design |
22:45 |
asciilifeform |
a surprising fraction of soviet economy reduced to - obscenely inefficient method of producing sovereignty-enforcement hardware |
22:45 |
mircea_popescu |
fucking saratov fridges doing 4kw to slightly cool three galons |
22:45 |
asciilifeform |
4kw fridge. that the germans, swedes, whoever, can't blackmail you with by withholding |
22:45 |
asciilifeform |
gotta understand the mentality. |
22:45 |
mircea_popescu |
i do understand it, but i am pointing out iot's not all that it's cracked up to be. |
22:45 |
mircea_popescu |
putin gets this, incidentally. |
22:45 |
asciilifeform |
it's a siege mentality, necessarily extreme |
22:46 |
mircea_popescu |
no. |
22:46 |
mircea_popescu |
a siege mentality is not necessarily extreme. |
22:46 |
mircea_popescu |
it's lazily extrem |
22:46 |
mircea_popescu |
e |
22:47 |
asciilifeform |
sorta like the kind of fellow everyone must know, that got back from afghan and sleeps hugging his rifle, does nothing as hobby but clean and oil it, cycles the bolt at the slightest noise in the house |
22:47 |
mircea_popescu |
nothing wrong with owning a rifle, in good condition, and being ready and able to use it |
22:47 |
asciilifeform |
nothing. |
22:47 |
mircea_popescu |
however, that's not gonna make an omlet |
22:47 |
asciilifeform |
correct |
22:48 |
asciilifeform |
good to occasionally hug things that aren't the rifle, also |
22:48 |
mircea_popescu |
and so the ak-47 shaped spatulas, 18lbs of solid pig iron |
22:48 |
mircea_popescu |
are getting thrown away |
22:48 |
mircea_popescu |
because spatula is silicone |
22:48 |
asciilifeform |
from russian perspective - silicone that won't be there if the border closes |
22:49 |
asciilifeform |
pentium is great. but 'bk-0010' would've still been there. |
22:49 |
mircea_popescu |
dude do you see what sort of abused child grown up mentality is this ? |
22:49 |
asciilifeform |
sure |
22:49 |
mircea_popescu |
"i can't love you because what if you leave me" |
22:49 |
* |
asciilifeform doesn't live there now, but definitely gets it. if you grow up in ussr, '45 never really ends |
22:50 |
asciilifeform |
or, pessimistically, '41 |
22:50 |
decimation |
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis/2013/07/25/dying-russias-birth-rate-is-now-higher-than-the-united-states/ |
22:50 |
assbot |
'Dying' Russia's Birth Rate Is Now Higher Than The United States' - Forbes |
22:50 |
asciilifeform |
trauma makes people - and cultures - pathologically conservative |
22:50 |
* |
asciilifeform wonders how applies to china, ought to ask the folks in the know |
22:51 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform which is why im such a fan of things like pussy riot |
22:51 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: with our without dar al islam ? |
22:51 |
asciilifeform |
*or |
22:51 |
mircea_popescu |
the best thing for moscow today is if the rich kids started taking the girls nude on leashes on novskiwhateveritscalled |
22:51 |
decimation |
good point. "white america" definitely has a negative birth rate |
22:51 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: because last i checked, the entire place converts to tajikistan in <100yrs. |
22:52 |
decimation |
what about tartarstan |
22:53 |
decimation |
I guess they are pretty close to the Turkic Tajiks |
22:53 |
mircea_popescu |
you know these liniar projections never work. |
22:53 |
decimation |
sons of Khan |
22:53 |
mircea_popescu |
people were derping about how romania will be 90% gypsy by 20something in 1990. |
22:53 |
mircea_popescu |
it... still hasn't happened. the oppressed minority is still an oppressed minority. |
22:53 |
decimation |
mircea: re pussy riot: but ultimately they are tools of the western bezzle machine |
22:54 |
mircea_popescu |
not so. |
22:54 |
mircea_popescu |
they're too stupid to be the tools of anything. |
22:54 |
mircea_popescu |
at any rate, the notion that sensuality and the puritan caging thereof as displayed by the us (and uk before that) are in any way related... |
22:54 |
mircea_popescu |
purest historical accident. i can understand why us-ians would believe it, because they love to believe themselves relevant |
22:55 |
mircea_popescu |
but otherwise... lol. |
22:56 |
decimation |
I agree that the notions of puritanical modesty are hilarious. I was born in an old school Lutheran hospital (now closed) - my birth certificate's seal shows a doctor pulling a baby out of a vagina |
22:56 |
decimation |
somehow this was okay in Christianity 100 years ago but not today |
22:56 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation not what i meant. what i means was, the proposition that somehow girls naked in the street are tools of the us bezzle. it's ludicrous. |
22:57 |
mircea_popescu |
for all you know they're the tools of mp's world domination plans. |
22:57 |
decimation |
but they parrot and derp about equality, femenism, etc |
22:59 |
mircea_popescu |
sure. but nobody cares what they say, the only attraction is their nudity. |
22:59 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe some derps somewhere HOPE that they may embed their message this way, much like radio advertisers hope paying for the radio makes you buy coca cola |
22:59 |
mircea_popescu |
but the thing still is what it is : nude chicks in a badly abused, utterly frigid, compulsively conservatory society. |
22:59 |
mircea_popescu |
balm. |
23:01 |
decimation |
so it would seem that putin is also sending a message about women by caging them |
23:01 |
mircea_popescu |
putin has the disadvantage of being actually stuck ruling the thing |
23:01 |
mircea_popescu |
he has to do all sorts of stupid shit. |
23:02 |
mircea_popescu |
or who knows, maybe he's personally dumb on the score i guess. |
23:04 |
decimation |
well, he certainly want to encourage fertility, and sending the message that it's okay for russian women to aspire to childless eat pray love isn't the way to get there |
23:06 |
decimation |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjI0KYl9gWs |
23:06 |
assbot |
Pussy Riot - Putin will teach you how to love / - YouTube |
23:08 |
decimation |
skip to 2:05 to watch Cossacks beat them |
23:10 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.06924233 = 0.7617 BTC [-] |
23:11 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: my understanding - fellow with a contract on his head should perhaps sleep with rifle. the one without contract - with girl. whether 4kw fridge, bk0010, etc. is batshit - or genius - depends on which box russia sits in |
23:12 |
mircea_popescu |
so which kind am i ? |
23:12 |
asciilifeform |
ask mircea_popescu |
23:12 |
mircea_popescu |
ok, what kind are you ? |
23:12 |
mircea_popescu |
what kind is antonoderpulous ? does he have a contract on his head ? twitter says so. |
23:12 |
asciilifeform |
the kind who 'dies just once' |
23:13 |
mircea_popescu |
no but i mean, gimme something actionable as per the plan you laid out above. |
23:13 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
23:13 |
BingoBoingo |
Seems the solution is to have enough girls to sleep with girl while girl guards door with rifle |
23:13 |
mircea_popescu |
can't hurt. |
23:14 |
asciilifeform |
going back to russia/industry: according to 'hardcore' russian folks, the west deprived the nation of crucial natural resource - one still abundant in, e.g. china. of course they aren't talking about lanthanides, but... girls who will birth half a dozen kids and work in factory without toilet breaks |
23:14 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation got really hot an' bothered watching cussacks beat on lanky ukrainian teenagers, is nao off to molest wife |
23:14 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 20 @ 0.04639999 = 0.928 BTC [+] {8} |
23:14 |
* |
asciilifeform lol just got back from molestation |
23:14 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform you'll have to explain this tro me so it makes sense |
23:15 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform o, you're doing the same one ?! (know the joke ?) |
23:15 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: the two chaps with the toothbrush, aye |
23:15 |
mircea_popescu |
no. |
23:15 |
asciilifeform |
...? |
23:15 |
mircea_popescu |
pussy riot gets $1bn to study mating habits across europe. |
23:15 |
mircea_popescu |
for this purpose, they sequester one woman and two men for a week, then interview them, |
23:16 |
mircea_popescu |
the english : well... we were never introduced, so we just read the newspapers all week. it was fuckign boring. |
23:17 |
mircea_popescu |
the french : oh, Leo, Lea, Elie |
23:17 |
mircea_popescu |
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhjVKOPUIcc if you don't klnow it) |
23:17 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
23:18 |
mircea_popescu |
the russians : omg this was awful. all night long they took turns fucking me in all the holes |
23:18 |
mircea_popescu |
and all day long they held syndicate meetings to criticise me for being a whore |
23:19 |
mircea_popescu |
wb. |
23:19 |
mircea_popescu |
that was... rapid ? |
23:19 |
decimation |
"decimation got really hot an' bothered watching cussacks beat on lanky ukrainian teenagers" << not really my cup of tea, but relevant |
23:20 |
decimation |
my stupid vpn dropped me like a hot potato, thought conversation was over |
23:20 |
mircea_popescu |
pretty cool how it worked out lol |
23:20 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-madness-of-president-putin.html << herr orlov on pussyriot etc |
23:20 |
assbot |
ClubOrlov: The Madness of President Putin |
23:21 |
decimation |
the thing I don't understand ascii is that it's clear that russia has the brainpower to make alternatives |
23:21 |
decimation |
even without all-night slave labor sv startup style |
23:21 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: go build a MOSFET with... brainpower |
23:22 |
asciilifeform |
industrial civilization doesn't get birthed from coffee shop (as discussed in one of mp's essays?) |
23:23 |
asciilifeform |
try mine uranium, tantalum, with brainpower |
23:23 |
asciilifeform |
get 50 rail cars of synthesis-grade nitric acid with brain. |
23:24 |
decimation |
This goes back to the warez - they seem like the answer to all your short term problems, but in the long run just get you hooked on the infrastructure |
23:24 |
decimation |
all of those things do require lots of brain power |
23:24 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.22697248 = 2.0428 BTC [+] |
23:24 |
decimation |
but they also require getting humans to actually do the work |
23:25 |
decimation |
and... capital |
23:25 |
asciilifeform |
and 100 yrs. of infrastructure. |
23:26 |
asciilifeform |
japan jumped the gap - why? because they had the 'natural resource' |
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23:26 |
decimation |
it's true that it's much easier to get nitric acid when the nitric acid factory has been pumping it out two states away for a few decades |
23:26 |
asciilifeform |
- that being, six generations of people willing to work into the grave for a cup of rice |
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23:26 |
decimation |
the us had something like that a few decades ago, still coasting on its output |
23:26 |
asciilifeform |
let's take the liberty of abusing thermodynamics term, and say this is 'fuel' |
23:27 |
asciilifeform |
whereas u.s. (or moscow today) 'office plankton' is... ground state. |
23:27 |
asciilifeform |
fuel that's been burned. |
23:27 |
asciilifeform |
u.s. running on fumes. |
23:28 |
asciilifeform |
e.g. i can get pcbs made here. it just costs 35x what it does in shanghai. |
23:28 |
asciilifeform |
because american factory gurlz want toilet breaks, health care!, etc |
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23:28 |
decimation |
When I was in Hawaii last week I thought about this w.r.t. Hawaii. They own one of the most strategic islands on earth |
23:29 |
decimation |
it could easily outsingapore singapore with its location. but it won't, because it is a combination of bezzle playground and indian reservation |
23:30 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: it's only strategic value is as 'unsinkable ship' |
23:30 |
asciilifeform |
otherwise it's a pisshole. (try finding an industrial vendor who will even ship there) |
23:30 |
asciilifeform |
if you could build a singapore there, that's another matter. |
23:30 |
decimation |
well, yes, today. but I would wager that if you exchanged the populations of hawaii and singapore, it wouldn't look that way for long |
23:31 |
asciilifeform |
aye |
23:31 |
asciilifeform |
not sure how long singapore will last as other than chinese colony after u.s. navy is unplugged |
23:32 |
asciilifeform |
ditto taiwan |
23:33 |
decimation |
on Maui there is a statue to Sun Yet-Sen in an obscure park: http://gohawaii.about.com/od/mauisights/ig/sun_yat_sen_park/ |
23:33 |
assbot |
Sun Yat Sen Park, Upcountry Maui Photo Gallery |
23:34 |
decimation |
when visiting, I discovered that Sun Yat Sen went to the same school as... Obama |
23:34 |
decimation |
when the usians are trading golden yuan pieces in a few decades they will remember this bit of history |
23:35 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: the middle kingdom != la serenissima. they'll be buying rice with paper yuans. |
23:36 |
mircea_popescu |
http://mpex.co/?mpsic=D.BPAY < |
23:36 |
assbot |
D.BPAY last @0.00000000 |
23:36 |
mircea_popescu |
that's basically how it's gonna look. welcoming questions as to the contract etc. |
23:36 |
asciilifeform |
neato |
23:36 |
mircea_popescu |
prolly starting to trade monday |
23:37 |
asciilifeform |
proving that one holds shares on fiat exchange might be energy-intensive |
23:37 |
decimation |
this is true. the amusing thing to me is that Obama rose with the new left under Maoism... and China today embraces (in action, not words) Chinese nationalism and rejects Mao |
23:38 |
asciilifeform |
(suddenly you're going over bezzlar paperwork with magnifying glass) |
23:38 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform why'd that be required ? |
23:38 |
asciilifeform |
nm bad reading |
23:39 |
* |
asciilifeform dug in ancient engine amidst mosquito clouds, tired |
23:40 |
decimation |
I'm confused about who the counterparty is |
23:40 |
decimation |
I assume it's just you with your bitcoin bank right? |
23:41 |
asciilifeform |
mp has bank now?! |
23:41 |
decimation |
I'm using "bank" to mean "pile of bitcoin" |
23:41 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation actually im going to make a fund, so people can buy into it. |
23:42 |
mircea_popescu |
but otherwise, yes. |
23:43 |
decimation |
this is kind of a more open-ended version of your berkshire bet? |
23:43 |
mircea_popescu |
http://mpex.co/?mpsic=D.BTGO |
23:43 |
assbot |
D.BTGO last @0.00000000 |
23:43 |
mircea_popescu |
idem. if anyone wants to see more and they meet the criteria, let me know. |
23:43 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation not really. berkshire is not a shitstup |
23:44 |
decimation |
what happens if bitpay dissolves as an entity before a b or c happen? |
23:44 |
decimation |
shares go to zero value? |
23:44 |
mircea_popescu |
pretty much |
23:45 |
decimation |
I guess they are tickets to a show that never happened |
23:45 |
mircea_popescu |
something like that yea |
23:46 |
asciilifeform |
'dead pool' ? |
23:47 |
decimation |
well, the seller of said tickets will be enriched ... :) |
23:47 |
* |
asciilifeform remembers 'fucked company' |
23:48 |
decimation |
still, to me it seems like you need to get a few of these to "fail" so you can build up a war chest as a credible counterparty |
23:48 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation why ? |
23:49 |
Mats_cd03 |
how fucking ridiculous |
23:49 |
asciilifeform |
war chest is there, to everyone's satisfaction, i imagine |
23:49 |
decimation |
I like bitbet because it's extremely transparent that way |
23:51 |
decimation |
mats: what is rediculous? |
23:52 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ticker |
23:52 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 604.34, Best ask: 605.46, Bid-ask spread: 1.12000, Last trade: 606.24, 24 hour volume: 5471.59645098, 24 hour low: 599.9, 24 hour high: 616.0, 24 hour vwap: 607.679332574 |
23:53 |
decimation |
it's been racheting up slowly from 500 |
23:55 |
decimation |
!down decimation |
23:57 |
Mats_cd03 |
asks q then leaves while i type response |