Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans
← 2014-05-02 | 2014-05-04 → ↓
00:00 kakobrekla so you say, i just want to keep my teeth and fingernails
00:00 moiety for now you have your wish kakobrekla... for now
00:01 kakobrekla !jd mpif
00:01 assbot Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.85487573 BTC; -0.00037098 BTC (-0.0002%) since last check 4m 59s ago.
00:01 kakobrekla aha! a loss!
00:01 benkay ;;later tell mircea_popescu you don't have an mpex sandbox environment kicking around, do you?
00:01 gribble The operation succeeded.
00:02 moiety i like the time check bit too
00:02 kakobrekla that is the new part yes
00:02 kakobrekla from ";" on
00:03 moiety yip :D allll teh numbers!
00:03 kakobrekla anyway, anytime you call it will fetch new data and compare it to last result from last call
00:04 kakobrekla thats all
00:04 moiety i think thats really handy
00:04 moiety kakobrekla: king of bots
00:05 kakobrekla the only reasonable way to figure out what happened with the balance yea
00:05 kakobrekla nah not really, although lampelina was jelly at a times in the past
00:13 moiety i tried this bot thing, i keep giving up for boredom of collating info
00:14 kakobrekla what do you mean this bot thing
00:17 benkay bot king
00:20 moiety kakobrekla: like a bot but in node.js : to save me having to spoon feed things to people
00:21 moiety an automoiety if you will
00:21 moiety to allow me more time to do actual productive things
00:24 moiety !discussthisyouinspirationlesspeople etc etc
00:24 kakobrekla lolk
00:26 benkay !up Sahtor
00:26 assbot Voicing Sahtor for 30 minutes.
00:27 BingoBoingo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=587709.msg6442112#msg6442112
00:27 ozbot Klyemax Studios IPO buy/sell/trade thread
00:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12135 @ 0.00097474 = 11.8285 BTC [+] {3}
00:30 BingoBoingo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=587618.0
00:30 ozbot Klyemax Studios IPO (revised)
00:30 benkay http://winkdex.com/#/
00:30 BingoBoingo Looks like Mr Klye is back
00:31 benkay !up Mats_cd03
00:31 assbot Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
00:33 BingoBoingo Also related t Mr Klye:
00:33 BingoBoingo https://bitcointa.lk/threads/live-ann-sac-the-making-of-sparklecoin.164091/
00:33 ozbot *LIVE*[ANN][SAC] The making of SparkleCoin | Bitcointa.lk
00:34 BingoBoingo !up GSpotAssassin___
00:34 assbot Voicing GSpotAssassin___ for 30 minutes.
00:35 BingoBoingo Guy kind of took the buttcoin thing to the extreme
00:36 moiety just discovered i could make smuxi dark, life changed
00:36 BingoBoingo Cool, Yeah, looks different
00:38 moiety it totally is! // what kinds of drugs is myklye on? i've always wondered
00:38 moiety mrklye*
00:40 BingoBoingo moiety: From my few conversations with him it seems he has at least done quite a few.
00:44 moiety BingoBoingo: lol worldinacoin obviously found the post tl;dr : "What is there to see about Alt coin mining for it to be streamed on webcam? The computer screen?"
00:44 BingoBoingo Yeah... Totally missed the point.
00:45 BingoBoingo ;;google site:trilema.com perfect money corrupts absolutely
00:45 gribble Perfect money corrupts absolutely pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/perfect-money-corrupts-absolutely/>; The discreet escort, or how Bitcoin makes prostitution ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2014/the-discreet-escort-or-how-bitcoin-makes-prostitution-unprosecutable/>; Iunie 2013 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/06>
00:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 333 @ 0.00097102 = 0.3233 BTC [-]
00:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00096689 = 16.6305 BTC [-]
00:59 benkay !up nick1234abcd_
00:59 assbot Voicing nick1234abcd_ for 30 minutes.
00:59 benkay !up PsychoticBoy
00:59 assbot Voicing PsychoticBoy for 30 minutes.
00:59 benkay !up LorenzoMoney
00:59 assbot Voicing LorenzoMoney for 30 minutes.
00:59 benkay FIGHT
01:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20617 @ 0.0009687 = 19.9717 BTC [+] {2}
01:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00097638 = 9.7638 BTC [+] {2}
01:18 LorenzoMoney oh I have voice?
01:18 LorenzoMoney yay
01:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07339809 = 0.8074 BTC [-] {5}
01:22 benkay what are you going to do with it, though?
01:22 benkay tick tock...
01:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07333838 = 0.22 BTC [-]
01:23 kakobrekla send a shoutout to mom, dad and all the niggaz in the hood
01:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.07318118 = 1.1709 BTC [-] {4}
01:24 moiety I'd like to thank my manager and everyone that made this possible!
01:25 moiety hi mum
01:25 kakobrekla now send her an email with the log link
01:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07333838 = 0.44 BTC [+]
01:25 moiety i was just gonna say im doing that lolol
01:25 moiety she'll be like, err wtf
01:25 kakobrekla hehe
01:25 benkay !up Curious_George
01:25 assbot Voicing Curious_George for 30 minutes.
01:26 moiety if anyone joins called gaylesmum DO NOT VOICE
01:26 moiety kidding she wouldn't know how
01:27 kakobrekla you so evil
01:33 moiety >:] in a nice way though right?
01:35 kakobrekla o yea, goes well with the slander.
01:36 kakobrekla i think imma head off in the horizontals.
01:38 moiety sleep well kakobrekla
01:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 200 @ 0.00135202 = 0.2704 BTC [+]
01:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07125001 = 0.57 BTC [-] {3}
01:46 ThickAsThieves "There are ~230 little girls in Nigeria getting sold for around $12 each. I have one bitcoin. I don't know how to do hostage escrow and I don't know anyone in Nigeria, scams notwithstanding. It wouldn't be enough for all of them even if I could try to buy them back."
01:46 ThickAsThieves ~ Reddit
01:47 ThickAsThieves http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/24lnro/there_are_230_little_girls_in_nigeria_getting/
01:52 moiety !up trixisowned
01:52 assbot Voicing trixisowned for 30 minutes.
01:52 moiety ThickAsThieves: wtf, is buying them not just encouraging more being stolen and sold?
01:54 BingoBoingo This may be an opportunity for Donald Sterling.
01:57 fluffypony lol
01:59 cazalla don't they fuck them for an aids cure or something?
02:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 85 @ 0.00443706 = 0.3772 BTC [-] {2}
02:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 152 @ 0.00442464 = 0.6725 BTC [-] {5}
02:08 moiety cazalla: witch doctors say that about babies too in some places
02:17 fluffypony cazalla: no, that's a South African thing
02:21 BingoBoingo fluffypony: Didn't one of your presidents suppose something to that effect?
02:21 fluffypony BingoBoingo: oh no, much worse than that
02:21 BingoBoingo Moar Ohio hate
02:22 fluffypony Zuma said some crap about how he took a shower after having sex with this one girl
02:22 BingoBoingo http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/05/03/ohio-continues-to-suck-monster-balls/
02:22 ozbot Ohio Continues to Suck Monster Balls | Bingo Blog
02:22 fluffypony so he didn't worry about HIV
02:22 BingoBoingo Wow
02:23 fluffypony yeah so whenever Zapiro (political cartoonist) draws him he has a shower head: http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/images/resized_images/706x410q70b5af9b0c644810b565a42ff8a99e472c.jpg
02:23 BingoBoingo Even Magic Johnson worked harder with his staying in shape like a world class athlete and having a lot of money.
02:23 BingoBoingo lol
02:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 238 @ 0.07557901 = 17.9878 BTC [+] {16}
02:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00096736 = 8.1742 BTC [-]
02:32 BingoBoingo !t h F.MPIF
02:32 assbot Shit. You ain't even old enough to smoke.
02:33 BingoBoingo !t m F.MPIF
02:33 assbot [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.00021725 / 0.00021725 / 0.00021725 (25868 shares, 5.62 BTC), 7D: 0.000215 / 0.00021506 / 0.00021725 (1041356 shares, 223.96 BTC), 30D: 0.000215 / 0.00021506 / 0.00021725 (1041356 shares, 223.96 BTC)
02:34 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
02:34 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 446.5, vol: 7311.39347253 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 432.009, vol: 2814.53088 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 445.0, vol: 3432.14961948 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 451.0, vol: 33.33226129 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 437.041814, vol: 1494.41900000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 446.5041, vol: 8.9822751 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 450.8075, vol: 36.40883492 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
02:34 BingoBoingo ;;more
02:34 gribble 442.550468128
02:46 moiety lol @ assbot
02:48 moiety ;; later tell MarieLynn hello! welcome :]
02:48 gribble Error: Spurious "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
02:48 moiety ffs gribble
02:48 moiety ;; later tell MarieLynn hello! welcome :)
02:48 gribble The operation succeeded.
02:49 moiety asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2014#656244 << we still do this when someone steals a pint, whereby the person who had the pint stolen takes the peg
02:50 moiety ThickAsThieves: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2014#655910 but but ...manulcoin!
03:01 fluffypony manulcoin even has a logo!
03:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 995 @ 0.0001498 = 0.1491 BTC [+] {2}
03:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8050 @ 0.00096736 = 7.7872 BTC [-]
03:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1055 @ 0.00015096 = 0.1593 BTC [+] {3}
03:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0749347 = 0.4496 BTC [-]
03:08 moiety an epic logo!
03:18 BingoBoingo ;;seen supay
03:18 gribble supay was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 7 hours, 59 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <supay> BingoBoingo: yes, and thanks! :)
03:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07379905 = 0.1476 BTC [-] {2}
03:22 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07332547 = 0.7333 BTC [-]
03:27 fluffypony so this is classic
03:27 fluffypony customer gets hold of us demanding a refund
03:27 fluffypony I check the USPS tracking, and it says it's delivered
03:28 fluffypony so I'm like "lolwut" and send him the tracking info
03:28 fluffypony he throws a huge tantrum because the area on the USPS tracking is "Pompano Beach" and he lives in "Coral Springs" which is 15 miles away from Pompano Beach
03:29 fluffypony so I point out that "Pompano Beach" is just the area, and that the zip code matches the one he provided on his order, so as far as I can see it's been delivered
03:29 fluffypony and he is welcome to contact USPS to confirm
03:30 benkay this is what you get for having customers that are dumb enough to mine with gpus
03:30 fluffypony so he switches to threatening, because that's always worked: "Please refund my money immediately, or i will go crazy all over the internet, posting in every crypto-currency forum i can find, and you will lose ALOT more than $300+ from all the bad Public relations nightmare that i create for you, i guarantee you that. Do right by me please, and i will do right by you."
03:30 fluffypony lawlz
03:31 * fluffypony looks forward to losing his ALOT
03:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00097194 = 2.9644 BTC [+]
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04:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.00096809 = 9.2453 BTC [-]
04:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.0745 = 1.341 BTC [+]
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04:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [+]
04:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00097473 = 2.9729 BTC [+]
04:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 6 @ 0.07992195 = 0.4795 BTC [+]
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05:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8834 @ 0.00097473 = 8.6108 BTC [+]
05:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07332547 = 0.7333 BTC [-]
05:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07332547 = 0.5866 BTC [-]
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05:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC [+]
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06:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.06474168 = 0.259 BTC [-]
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06:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3750 @ 0.00014947 = 0.5605 BTC [-] {2}
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07:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4716125 = 0.9432 BTC [-] {2}
07:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07464688 = 0.8211 BTC [+] {2}
07:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5951 @ 0.0009747 = 5.8004 BTC [-]
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07:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]
07:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00097158 = 6.3153 BTC [-]
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08:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00096957 = 10.4714 BTC [-]
08:30 FabianB wb assbot
08:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.074 = 0.74 BTC [-]
08:32 mircea_popescu ya srsly.
08:32 mircea_popescu so did i miss out a lot of chan ?
08:32 kakobrekla !jd mpif
08:32 assbot Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.87329413 BTC; +0.01841840 BTC (+0.0112%) since last check 8h 31m 14s ago.
08:33 FabianB short logs today :)
08:33 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/bitbet-april-2014-statement/ < btw
08:33 ozbot BitBet, April 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
08:35 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: why there needs to be a 'kickstarter' for a flashlight, i cannot answer. ask the gods. << because why not.
08:36 mircea_popescu i suspect the reason is purely psychological : "the people", ie, your average joe, feel disempowered by corporate technology
08:36 mircea_popescu and so have these special support clubs to tell each other that "we're still human, because we can still make things"
08:36 mircea_popescu much for the same reason homeless bums carry around "cool" but not actually working pieces of human tech
08:37 mircea_popescu it's their brand, their link to humanity. they too could be counted among the living, for they too have the items.
08:37 mircea_popescu and so in this perspective, people starting and people funding kickstarter campaigns aren't into it for the direct reason, but for the meta reason : to have been in it.
08:37 mircea_popescu explains why all the nonsense going on in there continues to go on unabated, at any rate.
08:50 mircea_popescu moiety: sort of unrelated but is it just me that is intensely annoyed by gawker as a website? << not really that intensely. another gossip rag, plenty of em.
08:52 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/smg-april-2014-statement/ < this, btw, has a meaty misc comments section and prolly worth your read.
08:52 ozbot S.MG, April 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
08:52 mircea_popescu assbot:
08:52 mircea_popescu Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.85524671 BTC; +0.00456912 BTC (+0.0028%) since last check 10m 4s ago. << kakobrekla you magnificent bastard, that last check is epic.
08:53 mircea_popescu please give me a cookie for this great idea you had.
08:53 mircea_popescu !jp mpif
08:53 mircea_popescu !jd mpif
08:53 assbot Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.87049627 BTC; -0.00279786 BTC (-0.0017%) since last check 20m 24s ago.
08:54 artifexd It would be nice if assbot knew the total investment and could thus also give a total up or down.
08:54 mircea_popescu i'm having brain orgasms over here, this is EXACTLY the sort of thing life is all about. so i made a wonderful thing, on top of which dooglus made a wonderful thing, on top of which kakobrekla made a wonderful thing. none of these are particularly hard to do, once you have the others' stuff. but they're nigh on impossible to do if you do not.
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08:55 mircea_popescu this is motherfucking synergy, that's what that shit is.
08:55 artifexd !b2
08:56 assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1EGY79M/plain/)
08:56 artifexd !b 3
08:56 artifexd :(
08:56 mircea_popescu "If you got here via a link to an older item, it has been purged from the database"
08:56 mircea_popescu is dpaste fucked ?
08:57 artifexd It works without the /plain/
08:57 mircea_popescu kakobrekla: aha! a loss! << FU FUDster!
08:57 artifexd http://dpaste.com/1EGY79M.txt
08:58 mircea_popescu a ty
09:00 mircea_popescu moiety: if anyone joins called gaylesmum DO NOT VOICE <<< wasn't it stiffler's mum ?
09:02 mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/812/atc-to-reach-block-50000-on-time/ ThickAsThieves check out this shit, atc diff bets are a thing now. close to 5btc collected even!
09:02 ozbot BitBet - ATC to reach block 50000 on time
09:04 mircea_popescu fluffypony: so he switches to threatening, because that's always worked: "Please refund my money immediately, or i will go crazy all over the internet << dunno if you've read bitbet nov report ?
09:04 fluffypony mircea_popescu: nope
09:04 fluffypony ;;google trilema bitbet november
09:04 gribble BitBet, November 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/bitbet-november-2013-statement/>; BitBet, April 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/bitbet-april-2013-statement>; BitBet, October 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/bitbet-october-2013-statement>
09:05 mircea_popescu pretty much the exact thing, plus an attempt to quantify the effects.
09:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 29 @ 0.00600011 = 0.174 BTC [-]
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09:26 mircea_popescu !jd mpif
09:26 assbot Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.87563940 BTC; +0.00514313 BTC (+0.0031%) since last check 32m 46s ago.
09:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.472725 BTC [+]
09:35 assbot [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 6900 @ 0.00021725 = 1.499 BTC [+]
09:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03277022 = 0.1639 BTC [-]
09:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0319001 = 0.1595 BTC [-]
09:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
09:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.073 = 0.146 BTC [-] {2}
09:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.071975 = 0.2879 BTC [-] {3}
09:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 25 @ 0.03367013 = 0.8418 BTC [+] {2}
09:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07121 = 0.1424 BTC [-]
09:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 120 @ 0.07110836 = 8.533 BTC [-] {3}
09:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 250 @ 0.07037332 = 17.5933 BTC [-] {18}
09:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.07001 = 2.8004 BTC [-]
09:58 mircea_popescu !jd mpif
09:58 assbot Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.87394980 BTC; -0.00168960 BTC (-0.0010%) since last check 32m 4s ago.
10:07 mircea_popescu %block
10:07 mircea_popescu %diff
10:07 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 143645.47 in 1694 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -68.45
10:11 mircea_popescu %ptp
10:15 mircea_popescu %cm
10:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0319101 = 0.1596 BTC [+]
10:16 mircea_popescu %lb
10:16 atcbot [ATC Last Block] Height: 30562 Time: 2014-05-03T14:06:59Z Vout Sum: 512 Number TXs: 1 Difficulty: 455357.12903751 Hash: 000000000000096857832afbc07cd418f79d9120dcb3cf3dcb018b9bcbc7ad7d Fee: 0.00000000 Size: 552 Days Destroyed: 0 Confirmations: 1
10:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
10:30 Apocalyptic .d
10:30 ozbot 8.001 billion | Next Diff in 1450 blocks | Estimated Change: 7.3878% in 9d 7h 41m 5s
10:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0331 = 0.1655 BTC [-]
10:39 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03189153 = 0.1595 BTC [-] {2}
10:39 fluffypony http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/CoinDesk/~3/5cdi4FD9rfc/
10:39 fluffypony Argh
10:39 fluffypony http://www.coindesk.com/new-sms-bitcoin-service-aims-emerging-markets/
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10:40 fluffypony That's actually mildly interesting for Africa, if someone couples that with an exchange network like m-pesa's it could be disruptive
10:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
10:40 mircea_popescu "someone" ?
10:42 fluffypony mircea_popescu: I don't have the knowledge or connections to do set that up in the Northern African countries
10:42 mircea_popescu no dice starting it in the southern ?
10:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00096844 = 5.0359 BTC [-]
10:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0701 = 0.4206 BTC [+] {2}
10:42 mircea_popescu !up Maciano
10:42 assbot Voicing Maciano for 30 minutes.
10:42 mircea_popescu hello Maciano
10:43 Maciano Hi
10:43 * danielpbarron hopes this is Micon
10:43 Maciano I joined, saw your tweet
10:43 mircea_popescu ok, how much do you know about bitcoin ?
10:43 Maciano on possible work, what's the job?
10:43 Maciano I've been following it since 1,5 year
10:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 132 @ 0.00442725 = 0.5844 BTC [-] {7}
10:43 Maciano bought around that time
10:44 mircea_popescu pretty cool. so what's your prior experience with aff marketing ?
10:44 Maciano mostly economic, no programming
10:44 mircea_popescu no programming required.
10:44 fluffypony Nah, Vodacom (cellular service provider) and Nedbank (bank) spent millions in trying to bring M-pesa to South Africa; after a few years they don't have a substantial market and Nedbank has pulled out of the deal. Not a good market indicator.
10:44 Maciano I'm not native English speaking, you mean SEA & marketing
10:44 mircea_popescu who did you work for, for how long, starting hwne.
10:44 mircea_popescu no, i mean affiliate marketing.
10:44 Maciano Working for telecoms (T-Mobile, KPN), say 5 yrs
10:45 Maciano before as PhD, but that wasn't for me
10:45 mircea_popescu but specifically in affiliate marketing ?
10:45 BigBitz Ohhh... a job interview? :D
10:45 Maciano no.
10:45 mircea_popescu Maciano well that's problematic then, because i quite specifically need someone with aff experience, and lots of it.
10:45 mircea_popescu BigBitz not even the first.
10:46 BigBitz :)
10:46 fluffypony At least the porn dude knew the acronyms :-P
10:46 mircea_popescu fluffypony that's a point yeah.
10:46 BigBitz Porn <3
10:47 mircea_popescu i meant about the market indicator.
10:47 mircea_popescu i wonder why they failed.
10:47 BigBitz i can haz jawb?
10:47 Maciano OK, thought it was worth a try.
10:47 Maciano bye then
10:47 mircea_popescu well it was, at least now you've met us all :)
10:48 mircea_popescu BigBitz now that all depends.
10:48 Maciano good luck, I read your site from time to time, you've got your shit together
10:48 Maciano adios
10:48 mircea_popescu hopefully it stays that way. ciao.
10:49 fluffypony mircea_popescu: There's been a strong push in low-cost banking services here; there's a legal requirement for every bank to offer a low-cost banking product that doesn't exceed dictated maximum costs, so for remittance within the country (for miners sending money to their families, for eg) they just use that
10:50 fluffypony International remittance is more interesting - there are tons of Zimbabweans and Malawians here
10:50 mircea_popescu ah
10:50 fluffypony But you need that agent network in the destination countries to "cash out"
10:50 mircea_popescu myeah.
10:50 cgcardona_ morning everyone o/
10:50 fluffypony So you kinda need to setup a multi-country operation
10:50 mircea_popescu afaik the african boom in sms payments was mostyly driven by nigeria's oil sector
10:50 fluffypony cgcardona_: Morns
10:50 mircea_popescu but i readily admit i have no clue re africa.
10:50 cgcardona_ o/ fluffypony
10:50 mircea_popescu ello cgcardona_
10:51 cgcardona_ MP o/ top of tha mornin
10:51 mircea_popescu i think i left you a msg on gribble
10:51 mircea_popescu but possibly on some variation of your nick
10:51 cgcardona_ me? Hmmm. now how do I check gribble messages? (googling)
10:51 fluffypony mircea_popescu: Very much so - lots of guys from neighbouring countries going to Nigeria to work and needing to send money back to Kenya or whatevs
10:52 fluffypony cgcardona_: When you auth to the nick I think it sends you the message
10:52 cgcardona_ hmmm. cgcardona_ is my only nick. I used cgcardona (without the _) a couple of years ago but I've unfortunately lost the password I think.
10:53 mircea_popescu ;;notes cgcardona
10:53 gribble Sent 1 week, 5 days, 4 hours, and 46 minutes ago: <mircea_popescu> lol is it the first best largest wot ? and Sent 16 hours and 3 minutes ago: <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2014#656509
10:53 mircea_popescu tsk tsk.
10:53 mircea_popescu this is why we don't want to use multiple nicks.
10:54 cgcardona_ yes, this is why super users don't lose passwords (le sigh)
10:54 danielpbarron cgcardona_: the nickserv pass? i think they can help you with that?
10:54 mircea_popescu lol. anyway, noted.
10:54 cgcardona_ mircea_popescu: also thanks for the heads up. truly appreciate you thinking of me.
10:54 cgcardona_ danielpbarron: yea I'll go check right now actually.
10:57 danielpbarron ugh, why is Micon so aloof; I'd like to see these worlds collide
10:57 bitcoinpete mircea_popescu: the 1,045 yo 'toss be "Raszagal, Matriarch of the Dark Templar." your intel serves you well
10:57 mircea_popescu ok so now i have to go to an irl meeting, but! if moar twitter noobs show up on webchat, pls to voice them and tell them i'll be back in a few hours.
10:58 mircea_popescu danielpbarron you know we go back a ways, he called out bfl originally, mpoe-pr backed him later on.
10:58 ThickAsThieves <+ozbot> BitBet - ATC to reach block 50000 on time /// interesting to see so much betting, gives miners more incentive .... if they're paying attention
10:58 bitcoinpete mircea_popescu: and non-DELfationary is a new kind of soap
10:59 ThickAsThieves does someone have that referral link thing mike_c made handy? is it actually functional for referrals or just functionally random loading?
10:59 danielpbarron mircea_popescu: ya, that's how I found out about you and this channel, actually
10:59 bitcoinpete mircea_popescu: have you been inviting more? i saw that sull earlier...
10:59 danielpbarron I've called into his live podcast many times
11:00 bitcoinpete *sull came earlier
11:00 cgcardona danielpbarron: mircea_popescu well that was waaaay easier than I expected
11:00 cgcardona now does my new nick have my wot ratings?
11:00 danielpbarron hah
11:00 cgcardona or do I need to get them transfered
11:00 cgcardona #shame
11:00 danielpbarron gribble thinks you still have the _
11:01 danielpbarron i don't think it's nearly as easy to get that changed
11:01 danielpbarron i'll re-rate you
11:01 cgcardona yea prob not
11:01 cgcardona thankfully my wot score is pretty low. thanks man
11:01 cgcardona ;;gettrust cgcardona
11:01 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user cgcardona_ to user cgcardona: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=cgcardona_&dest=cgcardona | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cgcardona | Rated since: never
11:01 ThickAsThieves mircea_popescu when you mention "art" for S.MG shall be open market, does that mean: 1. It will start that way? 2. It will/won't not have a style guide as boundary? 3. Audio will be sourced likewise? (style guide? music? sfx? voice?)
11:02 cgcardona ok give me a sec to get it all set up again.
11:02 danielpbarron 11:01:27 <+cgcardona> thankfully my WoT score is pretty low. << don't hear that often
11:02 cgcardona haha true.
11:04 ThickAsThieves mp clarification on question one "start that way" as in there will there not be a base set of art for everything within the intended style of the game
11:07 cgcardona so is it possible to delete/reassign my previous nick's gpg keys to this nick in the WoT or should i generate new keys for this nick?
11:08 danielpbarron my favorite aspect of any long-term achievement style game has been the markets and economy; i'm pretty excited about S.MG
11:08 danielpbarron cgcardona: i think that's possible, or I don't see why not
11:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00096854 = 6.6345 BTC [+] {2}
11:11 cgcardona ;;ticker
11:11 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 440.02, Best ask: 441.48, Bid-ask spread: 1.46000, Last trade: 441.48, 24 hour volume: 6660.14677287, 24 hour low: 438.0, 24 hour high: 455.78, 24 hour vwap: 446.941306981
11:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.4658678 = 9.3174 BTC [-] {8}
11:22 kakobrekla !up micon
11:22 assbot Insufficient rights, kakobrekla, !up yourself on PM first.
11:22 kakobrekla fu
11:22 cgcardona haha
11:22 cgcardona sorry
11:22 cgcardona !up kakobrekla
11:22 assbot Voicing kakobrekla for 30 minutes.
11:22 cgcardona ;-]
11:23 kakobrekla noes!
11:23 kakobrekla do micon
11:23 cgcardona !up micon
11:23 assbot Voicing micon for 30 minutes.
11:23 danielpbarron micon!
11:23 danielpbarron is it really you? gribble says you aren't authed :p
11:24 kakobrekla !up grubles
11:24 assbot Voicing grubles for 30 minutes.
11:25 kakobrekla ;;getturst assbot micon
11:25 gribble Error: "getturst" is not a valid command.
11:25 kakobrekla i said GET THRUST
11:25 kakobrekla fly motherfucker
11:26 kakobrekla ;;gettrust assbot micon
11:26 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user micon: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=micon | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=micon | Rated since: never
11:26 Apocalyptic no WoT looks like
11:26 danielpbarron he told me he's busy atm (on twitter); will be back later
11:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.475 = 1.425 BTC [+] {2}
11:26 kakobrekla so much effort for ping timeout.
11:26 Apocalyptic who's this guy btw ?
11:26 kakobrekla !up zoinky
11:26 assbot Voicing zoinky for 30 minutes.
11:27 danielpbarron he's the chairman of sealswithclubs.eu and host of donkdown.com, a live podcast
11:28 cgcardona ;;rate danielpbarron #bitcoin-assets regular
11:28 gribble Error: '#bitcoin-assets' is not a valid integer.
11:28 cgcardona heh
11:28 danielpbarron and he was a major voice against BFL
11:28 cgcardona ;;rate danielpbarron 1 #bitcoin-assets regular
11:28 gribble Error: You have to have received some ratings in order to rate other users.
11:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.475 = 2.85 BTC [+]
11:28 cgcardona ah damn
11:28 danielpbarron one sec
11:28 cgcardona *on the outside looking in*
11:29 Apocalyptic ty danielpbarron
11:31 danielpbarron cgcardona: you should be good-to-go
11:31 BigBitz I used to like Micon.......
11:31 BigBitz then he wouldn't give me information on KingOfSports when he scammed me..... so meh.
11:31 cgcardona cool thanks danielpbarron
11:31 BigBitz however his "interviews" with BFL_Josh are pretty funny.
11:31 danielpbarron I like Micon, but i've recently come to understand why online poker is essentially a scam, even if the operators aren't directly stealing
11:32 BigBitz in what regard, number generation or?
11:32 moiety aftermewn all
11:32 danielpbarron BigBitz: there is no way to prove that players aren't colluding
11:33 kakobrekla heya moiety
11:33 danielpbarron that is why all the online poker traffic has moved to pokerstars play money
11:33 BigBitz danielpbarron sure... plausiable.
11:33 cgcardona ;;rate kakobrekla 1 Creator of bitbet.us and creator of #bitcoin-assets
11:33 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user kakobrekla has been recorded.
11:33 BigBitz but don't most limit connections per IP etc.
11:33 BigBitz [ yes proxies, vpn not hard ]
11:33 moiety <mircea_popescu> wasn't it stiffler's mum ? << i are not stiffler!
11:33 cgcardona ;;rate fluffypony 1 seen often in #btc-assets
11:33 danielpbarron (where players actually BUY play chips from pokerstars, knowing they won't be able to cash out their winnings)
11:33 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user fluffypony has been recorded.
11:33 kakobrekla danielpbarron are you an expert on this field?
11:34 danielpbarron BigBitz: that just means the casual players can't collude (so what?)
11:34 moiety hey kakobrekla did you sleep well?
11:34 danielpbarron kakobrekla: no, correct me if i'm wrong
11:34 cgcardona ;;rate mircea_popescu 1 didn't become the richest person you know by accident. cookie eating bitlord
11:34 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded.
11:34 BigBitz Ah you think the high rollers/industry players or operaters are colluding?
11:34 kakobrekla actually i got woken up by a phone call from hanbot, moiety, so i was interrupted :)
11:34 cgcardona sorry for the noise everyone - rerating now that I'm in control of the non (_) nick
11:34 danielpbarron BigBitz: I think there is a financial incentive to create colluding bot nets
11:35 BigBitz Agree, for sure.
11:35 Apocalyptic why do people here call her hanbot ?
11:35 cgcardona ;;rate cgcardona_ 1 My previous nick—it's now cgcardona
11:35 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user cgcardona_ has been recorded.
11:35 Apocalyptic hannah is much nicer
11:35 kakobrekla cause thats her nick here?
11:35 Apocalyptic sounds like a bot name to me
11:36 BigBitz kakobrekla Y U SO SMERT?
11:36 moiety kakobrekla: go back to bed! it's caturday :D
11:36 kakobrekla moiety i did actually. got up a bit later then, at 4pm.
11:37 danielpbarron I host a house game of poker every saturday night; that's where poker works: where I can see all the players and catch them colluding
11:37 moiety same here actually, just woke up and its 4:30 here aalllll teh sleeps [but i was making up for being up for 2 days]
11:37 kakobrekla danielpbarron no, you seemed to me like you have some first hand experience with that, so i asked.
11:37 danielpbarron and also, it's a WoT thing, I only invite friends and family
11:38 danielpbarron oh, you mean colluding? no, never
11:38 kakobrekla k
11:38 danielpbarron not with bots that is; i have in the past been on skype with a friend, but it always bothered me
11:38 danielpbarron like years back when pokerstars still did FIAT
11:38 BigBitz danielpbarron yes agree with that also.
11:39 BigBitz Ah yeah US can't play Pokerstars fiat.
11:39 BigBitz or any poker fiat, really, right?
11:39 danielpbarron we always ended up losing money whenever we did that; it's too much to try to think of when I should really be focusing on getting reads out of the other players
11:40 danielpbarron but a bot-net can crunch all those numbers pretty fast
11:40 danielpbarron BigBitz: right, unless it's hosted by a IRL casino
11:40 BigBitz yeah...
11:40 BigBitz I even tried poker calcs...
11:40 BigBitz always sucked.
11:41 BigBitz didn't tell me anything I didn't know or couldn't work out.
11:41 cgcardona ok gonna test my new passwords w/ freenode/nickserv && gribble/assbot. bbias
11:41 danielpbarron well these bot nets can control like half a table, so when you get AK: they might know that 2 aces and 1 king got folded already, and their QJ is a strong hand
11:42 BigBitz Yup.
11:44 ThickAsThieves http://devilsadvocate.biz/the-denomination-decimal-designation-debate-revisited/
11:44 ozbot The Denomination Decimal Designation Debate, Revisited
11:44 cgcardona boom
11:44 cgcardona ok cool. the old nick cgcardona_ will no longer be active.
11:46 danielpbarron heh, i fell for the whole mBit thing that all the "support the community" folk were pushing; now I prefer to see all 8 decimal places after the 0
11:47 cgcardona why oh why doesn't nickserv turn ENFORCE on by default?
11:47 cgcardona what could be the reasoning behind such a default setting?
11:47 danielpbarron i think the meme is: "because idiots"
11:49 cgcardona meaning what? That people will squat on nicks or that people wouldn't be able to handle putting in their pass each time?
11:54 danielpbarron meaning that most users aren't using nickserv for the WoT and don't care if someone else is on their nick when they are gone
11:54 cgcardona ;;later tell MarieLynn Regarding http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2014#656509 I'm a rails dev
11:54 gribble The operation succeeded.
11:54 cgcardona ah I see what you mean
11:54 cgcardona yea most people def aren't in the wot and don't care
11:54 danielpbarron and they are dumb, and they would get confused if nickserv forced them to type a password every time
11:54 cgcardona just to check I just ran `info name_of_op` in another room I hang out in and he didn't have it turned on either
11:56 danielpbarron there are a lot of high profile Bitcoin users in other channels who don't auth with gribble; it's just not important to them
11:56 ThickAsThieves maybe they just arent actually important to anyone important
11:59 ThickAsThieves this starts shortly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqlvk51uS1M
11:59 danielpbarron high profile doesn't necessarily mean important; it usually means the opposite
11:59 ThickAsThieves mitbitcoinexpo.org for schedule
12:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.63712348 BTC to 8`391 shares, 31428 satoshi per share
12:00 danielpbarron or else this channel would be too busy to read
12:00 ThickAsThieves mostly MIT dorks
12:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] [PAID] 2.17250000 BTC to 86`900 shares, 2500 satoshi per share
12:02 kakobrekla >Join us on May 3rd for one of the most exciting Bitcoin Expos ever! Speakers from the Bitcoin Foundation, Circle Internet Financial, Armory Technologies, and more. See more at
12:02 kakobrekla how do you measure 'excitement'?
12:03 ThickAsThieves in MIT penises
12:03 kakobrekla a
12:04 ThickAsThieves http://it.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/24gknv/im_jesse_eisinger_a_pulitzerwinning_financial/ch6x01b
12:16 cgcardona ok i've removed all my previous wot ratings from the cgcardona_ account and rerated w/ my new nick. If i had previously rated you and you don't see it now w/ the new nick let me know and I'll fix that. thanks
12:19 danielpbarron hm, that's pretty smooth; good to know if I ever decide to switch to using 'BitcoinBarron' (which i've already registered)
12:20 BigBitz It's simple! :)
12:20 cgcardona yea it wasn't too painful but it could suck if you had a huge WoT score.
12:20 BigBitz anyone going to BitFin in Ireland?
12:21 danielpbarron although someone took the .com already (i guess once Bitcoin hit the mainstream, squatters registered every mispelling relating to Bitcoin)
12:26 ThickAsThieves yknow one thing that really sucks about Bitcoin conferences is how they spend so much time talking about what it is
12:34 danielpbarron !up Micon
12:34 assbot Insufficient rights, danielpbarron, !up yourself on PM first.
12:34 danielpbarron !up Micon
12:34 assbot Voicing Micon for 30 minutes.
12:34 Micon tyvm assbot, DPB
12:34 danielpbarron :D
12:35 danielpbarron ;;gettrust Micon
12:35 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user Micon: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=danielpbarron&dest=Micon | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Micon | Rated since: never
12:35 Micon so what is the fuss about DBP?
12:35 danielpbarron idk, mircea_popescu wanted to talk business with you, and this is where those conversations usually happen
12:35 danielpbarron but he's busy at the moment
12:35 BigBitz Is it SRSBIZNZ?
12:35 Micon so like, this isn't FED heaven?
12:36 BigBitz No such place, Micon.
12:36 danielpbarron if the FED is smart, they have a rep in here
12:36 Micon so maybe not the best place to talk business :) ?
12:36 Micon just tell me if I'm missing something :)
12:36 danielpbarron there is nothing to hide here
12:37 danielpbarron this isn't a place for scammers
12:37 ThickAsThieves not the best to scam or commit crime, sure
12:37 ThickAsThieves but business
12:37 ThickAsThieves good place
12:37 Micon fair enough. I may have business to bring here in the future. Always listening, as well
12:37 cgcardona ;;rate ThickAsThieves 1 #bitcoin-assets regular
12:37 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user ThickAsThieves has been recorded.
12:37 ThickAsThieves ty
12:38 cgcardona np
12:38 danielpbarron Micon: sorry I haven't called in to your show in a while, i've been so busy lately I space out on the time
12:38 Micon that's cool, I shut down the site until it's fixed. should be soon-ish
12:39 ThickAsThieves Micon, I know I know your name, but it escapes me, what do you do? Was it SWC?
12:39 Micon SwC = sealswithclubs.eu
12:39 ThickAsThieves cool cool
12:39 danielpbarron he was one of the first to call out BFL
12:39 Micon largest bitcoin poker site. I am site pro / affiliate manager / marketing director / TD
12:40 ThickAsThieves i recall the BFL videos and coverage
12:40 BigBitz Micon nuke that KingOfSports kid.
12:40 BigBitz SwC and BFL_Josh hilarity.
12:40 cgcardona BigBitz: yea that was funny
12:40 Micon yes, and BLF_Josh tried to live-troll me but I re-trolled him harder
12:40 BigBitz DAT TROLL.
12:41 Micon I saw recently my man Cyrus Farivar from Ars / NPR lit up BFL harder than I have ever seen before. Love seeing real legal action happening to those fucks
12:41 danielpbarron i think MP is interested in the "affiliate manager" aspect of your experience
12:41 ThickAsThieves Josh will be at the Amsterdam conference
12:42 Micon They are at all conferences. We should have an elite team that shows up and paintballs him each time he shows up
12:42 ThickAsThieves I'm still waiting for you guys to submit questions to presenters for me to ask: http://devilsadvocate.biz/amsterdam-bitcoin-conferences-quantum-mining-and-the-future/
12:42 Micon seroiusly, paintball guns. always vs. Zerlan. Every conference until they stop showing up IMO
12:42 BigBitz I met Josh at BTC London...
12:42 BigBitz and I'll be honest - he's affable.
12:42 ThickAsThieves paintball guns would get me jailed
12:42 BigBitz quite clearly a lying, cheating, cunt, but... affable.
12:42 Micon +1
12:42 ThickAsThieves therefore your request is disqualified
12:43 Micon Solid snake oil salesman
12:43 BigBitz Micon sure.
12:43 * danielpbarron isn't interested in acts of violence
12:43 BigBitz I had a very good chat with him.
12:43 BigBitz Clearly it was all utter bullshit...
12:43 BigBitz but he can hold a conversation.
12:43 ThickAsThieves so can a car salesman
12:44 BigBitz ThickAsThieves yeah - that's his "job" I was just, surprised, I guess :)
12:44 danielpbarron Micon: do you have a GPG key?
12:44 Micon obv
12:44 BigBitz Also - very tall.
12:44 Micon attached to every email I send...
12:44 danielpbarron ;;eauth
12:44 gribble (eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
12:44 Micon http://pastebin.com/R1SWJhtp
12:44 ozbot Micon PGP - Pastebin.com
12:45 danielpbarron Micon: so get in the WoT!
12:45 Micon so how? why?
12:45 BigBitz ;;gpg info Micon
12:45 gribble No such user registered.
12:45 danielpbarron Micon: so we can be sure that the Micon we're talking to today is the same as any Micons in the future
12:46 danielpbarron and also to confirm that you are in fact the Micon of SWC fame
12:46 cgcardona ^
12:46 ThickAsThieves and so you can build a rep in this meta world
12:46 danielpbarron and then I can give you a rating, and then you can voice yourself
12:47 Micon I mean... it all seems odd / gamable to me
12:47 moiety cgcardona; danielpbarron: getting the client to autosign-in is obv too difficult for some people. does bug me though if nickserv has a freak out and you re-identify, it unauths you from the wot
12:47 Micon all the WoT's I have ever seen are "scammers climb to the top" situations
12:47 danielpbarron feel free to voice concerns, i'm sure they can be easily refuted
12:47 bitcoinpete micon: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/wot_and_reputation
12:47 benkay * danielpbarron isn't interested in acts of violence << i love a good bit of the old ultra-violence
12:47 BigBitz Micon that is a possibility with any WoT.
12:48 danielpbarron Micon: don't pay attention to "total rating scores," that's where the scammers show up
12:48 moiety <kakobrekla> how do you measure 'excitement'?
12:48 moiety <ThickAsThieves> in MIT penises // lol bashing that
12:48 BigBitz I need to watch out then. I have a considerable total rating, danielpbarron.
12:48 danielpbarron BigBitz: it's not definitive
12:48 ThickAsThieves Micon, it's not gameable in the sense that it is a tool that references who trusts whom
12:48 BigBitz Heh, I know... I know... :)
12:49 ThickAsThieves it is not meant for just looking at the score
12:49 ThickAsThieves that would be incorrect usage
12:49 Micon For me personally, coming from the poker world, being insanely google-able and IRL verfiable, and especially because I spend every June at Rio since 2006, being on bitcointalk and doing btc trades here in Vegas since 2011... most ppl don't have any issue if they need to trust me.
12:49 ThickAsThieves it is meant for connecting people you trust
12:49 BigBitz ;;gettrust ThickAsThieves
12:49 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user BigBitz to user ThickAsThieves: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BigBitz&dest=ThickAsThieves | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ThickAsThieves | Rated since: Sat Mar 2 11:19:18 2013
12:49 danielpbarron Micon: for example, it works like this ,,(gettrust danielpbarron BigBitz)
12:49 BigBitz Micon the issue is you could be anyone.
12:49 Micon sure
12:49 danielpbarron huh, that only works in otc?
12:49 Micon but I could tweet that I'm me right now
12:49 BigBitz joining the WoT and using your key provides the integrity.
12:49 danielpbarron ;;gettrust danielpbarron BigBitz
12:49 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask BigBitz!~BigBitz@unaffiliated/bigbitz. Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user BigBitz: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 19 via 17 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=danielpbarron&dest=BigBitz | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BigBitz | Rated since: Fri Apr 26 11:13:53 2013
12:49 BigBitz danielpbarron you do it like ;;gettrust danielpbarron BigBitz
12:50 ThickAsThieves what Google is missing is the ability to verify you in a live situation, and the ability to have a "ledger" on your trust transactions with people
12:50 danielpbarron the thing i did would have worked in -otc
12:50 Micon sure I'll join, I'm just explaining why I think WoT's in general do not preform the function the legitimate traders want
12:50 ThickAsThieves another perk is generally supporting the movement
12:50 Micon for me verification in live situation is super, duper easy
12:50 Micon I'm totally down to generally support the movement
12:50 danielpbarron Micon: I can explain how the opposite is true
12:50 Micon so I'll gladly sign something with my key to get in
12:51 BigBitz Micon type ;;eregister <GPG Key ID>
12:51 ThickAsThieves because if we get more use of the WoT, it allows new systems to develop on it
12:51 BigBitz ;;gettrust BigBitz ThickAsThieves
12:51 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user BigBitz to user ThickAsThieves: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BigBitz&dest=ThickAsThieves | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ThickAsThieves | Rated since: Sat Mar 2 11:19:18 2013
12:51 Micon also non-0 chance I'll need to raise a quick $2M worth of btc for big SwC share :)
12:51 BigBitz weak trust ThickAsThieves :(
12:51 ThickAsThieves weak trust BigBitz ;)
12:52 moiety <Micon> but I could tweet that I'm me right now << but you could also have a fake corresponding tweeter for this purpose
12:52 cgcardona I play music and recently I'm going to start signing the lon/lat && timestamp right before I come on stage and flash it on the screen
12:52 ThickAsThieves cgcardona are you familiar with MF Doom?
12:52 Micon Moiety - My twitter account is 2009 and 5k+ real followers
12:52 ThickAsThieves he'd have imposters do his shows sometimes
12:52 cgcardona ThickAsThieves: no -- googling now
12:52 cgcardona oh cool
12:53 cgcardona does he wear a mask? noone noticed?
12:53 ThickAsThieves mask, yeah
12:53 ThickAsThieves some people noticed
12:53 cgcardona haha. classic
12:53 moiety re BigFuckingLiar Josh @ London, he apologised to a lot of people who ate it up and were interested in the next bunch of lies he was wanting to send out [at a delayed timeframe]
12:53 BigBitz moiety sure he did - that's his "Job" :)
12:53 moiety Micon: lots of people have old accounts and you can buy followers
12:54 danielpbarron Micon: you can prove your twitter is you; see keybase.io
12:54 BigBitz I thought there would have been another BTC London this year but appears not.
12:54 danielpbarron Micon: but again, it requires GPG signing
12:54 Micon but then you guys are trusting that GPG key is real-micon
12:54 moiety BigBitz: did you see half way to the actual date, they bumped up ticket prices?
12:54 Micon i just gave you a random pastebin with a GPG key
12:54 moiety i tweetered at them but didnt get a response
12:54 danielpbarron Micon: you can prove that you have access to modify sealswithclubs.eu with your GPG key
12:55 danielpbarron Micon: that way, we know that it's the same Micon accross the board
12:55 BigBitz moiety last year?
12:55 moiety yep
12:55 BigBitz Really?
12:55 moiety yep
12:55 BigBitz I think I paid like 3.5/4BTC
12:55 Micon i could modify SwC.eu, but how with GPG key?
12:55 moiety almost coubled ticket prices from what they started at
12:55 BigBitz Hateful.
12:55 BigBitz It was a nice event, though.
12:55 danielpbarron Micon: you host your pub key on the root
12:55 BigBitz l39 is a nice location.
12:55 Micon ah
12:55 danielpbarron Micon: instead of pastebin
12:56 danielpbarron err.. not that
12:56 Micon that's a good idea
12:56 danielpbarron you host a signed message or something
12:56 moiety i cancelled going at the last minute BigBitz then regretted it
12:56 Micon just have the key and a signed msg in many places like that
12:56 BigBitz I enjoyed it.
12:56 thestringpuller mod6: where you at? stop being tired.
12:56 danielpbarron Micon: i can invite you to keybase, they make it really easy to do all that
12:56 BigBitz Lots of morons there though.
12:56 moiety as tobe expected, nothing is moron free all of the time
12:56 Micon brb later guys / DPB if you send me how to verify myself with my key I'll do it in a bit
12:57 BigBitz Yup... Yup... :)
12:57 Micon tyvm for the invite / glglglgl
12:57 moiety see you later micon, take care :]
12:57 danielpbarron Micon: can i use the email you already tweeted at MP?
12:59 thestringpuller ;;ident
12:59 gribble Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is not identified.
12:59 thestringpuller damn
12:59 thestringpuller ;;eauth
12:59 gribble (eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
12:59 thestringpuller ;;eauth thestringpuller
12:59 gribble Request successful for user thestringpuller, hostmask thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/0FF2943DA179E169
13:01 thestringpuller ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:f402d5aedc0aca6dfef9d0d658f4b79acf400e99872a09f553dce778
13:01 gribble You are now authenticated for user thestringpuller with key 0FF2943DA179E169
13:01 thestringpuller ;;ident
13:01 gribble Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
13:01 thestringpuller ;;rate ThickAsThieves 2 Has good taste in hip-hop.
13:01 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user ThickAsThieves has been recorded.
13:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00441573 = 0.1766 BTC [-]
13:03 cgcardona so I've been thinking about a group of SuperUsers called 'The church of Sudo', 'The Cult of the SuperUser', and/or 'Order of Root'. Also known as 'The Web' -- I thought that the WoT/+v could be an interesting real world model as well. So a person shows up at the SuperUser underground lair and has to sign a message w/ their key and then retina scan/fingerprint to get access.
13:04 BigBitz Hip Hop, you say.
13:04 BigBitz Wu Tang Clan or gtfo.
13:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 290 @ 0.00594957 = 1.7254 BTC [-] {19}
13:05 cgcardona BREAM
13:05 cgcardona (bitcoin rules everything around me)
13:05 cgcardona get the bitcoins! satoshi-satoshis y'all!
13:05 BigBitz Lol.
13:06 thestringpuller cgcardona: it's get the hashes, crypto-crypto coin
13:06 cgcardona nice
13:06 thestringpuller gpg rules everything around me GREAM
13:06 thestringpuller ;;google wu-tang clan ain't nuttin to fuck wit
13:06 gribble Wu Tang Clan Ain't Nothing To Fuck With - Wu Tang Clan - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opbUESNnCe0>; Wu Tang Clan - Wu Tang Clan Ain't Nuthin' To Fuck With - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvY6DU-uEiw>; Wu Tang Clan Ain't nothing to fuck with - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wFUSXqf9QE>
13:07 moiety cgcardona: here-in lay the super users tho, i doubt they will move
13:07 cgcardona moiety: you mean you doubt they'll meet up afk?
13:08 moiety o i see what you mean now. that's a bit tricky when everyone is scattered
13:08 thestringpuller not really
13:08 thestringpuller why would someone meet in person?
13:08 thestringpuller it's dangerous
13:08 cgcardona ummm sex
13:08 thestringpuller a super group in one place at one time?
13:08 moiety conferences and such
13:08 cgcardona jk
13:08 thestringpuller a well placed bomb takes em all out
13:08 cgcardona there are lots of reasons to meet in person
13:09 thestringpuller not for long periods of time or very often
13:09 cgcardona well I'm assuming the SuperUser underground lair is a safe haven for all
13:09 thestringpuller imo at least
13:09 moiety but thing is, if people go to the effort of getting plane tickets etc, they tend to have passports and stuff? you don't really squat a plane ticket/meet up
13:09 thestringpuller that requires you to trust the proprietor of the underground lair
13:09 cgcardona and sure the meetings would never be too long.
13:09 cgcardona thestringpuller: several people just met up w/ MP in romaina
13:09 moiety so you want people to pay a lot for travel for a short assed meet up?
13:09 cgcardona *Romani
13:09 cgcardona oh geez
13:09 moiety seems legit
13:09 cgcardona you know what I mean
13:09 thestringpuller cgcardona: MP had security...
13:10 thestringpuller has*
13:10 cgcardona and you think the owner of the SuperUser underground lair wouldn't (this is all hypothetical)
13:10 cgcardona i'm suggesting the people who show up would trust the proprieter of the lair
13:10 moiety and so why would they need to scan their eyeballs?
13:10 cgcardona moiety: I'm also suggesting that price doesn't matter to this group of people
13:10 moiety but time, probably will ^
13:11 cgcardona moiety: well the keys would confirm they are the digital person and the fingerprint/eyes would prove they are the human behind the keys
13:11 cgcardona moiety: yes time matters far more than btc
13:11 thestringpuller cgcardona: i imagine that secret society meetings never happen in the same place twice for good reason
13:11 moiety purpose of these meet-ups being business or social?
13:12 cgcardona thestringpuller: yes and no - there are online documentation of 'secret societies' which meet up yearly in the same place. but yea they aren't really secret. Real secret societies probably do meet up in different places each time
13:12 moiety hell why not get a secret handshake in there too
13:12 cgcardona moiety: prob both. but I'm imagining SuperUsers are mostly business
13:12 cgcardona moiety: done (secret TCP handshake added)
13:13 moiety :]
13:14 thestringpuller I would expect SuperUsers to have a mobile brothel for "socializing"
13:14 cgcardona yes I would as well
13:14 thestringpuller i don't trust femme fatales
13:15 danielpbarron if Bitcoin gets to the point where I can't spend it unless I have a mark on my hand or forehead, that's when I divest from Bitcoin and start street preaching
13:16 assbot Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/2BR5YF9/plain/)
13:16 thestringpuller !bash 1
13:17 thestringpuller Bitcoin becomes the end times ~_~
13:18 thestringpuller Christians would go fanatical over that...
13:18 danielpbarron i'm not sure yet; it could be the good money that the beast tries to suppress with his mark
13:20 bitcoinpete http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/05/02/hurting-the-poor-by-helping-them/
13:20 cgcardona What do you guys/gals think of darkwallet ?
13:20 ozbot Hurting The Poor, By Helping Them | When Bitcoin Met Pete
13:20 cgcardona it's got hella buzz right now
13:21 danielpbarron cgcardona: i think i wasted $25 on its kickstarter :/
13:21 cgcardona i've been watching a bunch of cody wilson interviews over the last couple of days and it's an interesting idea
13:21 bitcoinpete cgcardona: decent enough idea, if taint were a problem
13:21 cgcardona danielpbarron: why? you think its vaporware?
13:21 bitcoinpete and taaki weren't involved
13:21 danielpbarron cgcardona: taaki
13:21 dexX7 bitcoinpete: Error establishing a database connection
13:21 dexX7 ah a refresh did it
13:21 bitcoinpete ;;google trilema bitcoin taint
13:21 gribble Guidance : There Is No Such Thing As Bitcoin Taint. pe Trilema - Un ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/guidance-there-is-no-such-thing-as-bitcoin-taint/>; On July 29, 1914 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/on-july-29-1914/>; Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/>
13:21 cgcardona yea people seem to be down on him but I've not met him before.
13:22 bitcoinpete dexX7: phew
13:22 dexX7 hehe ;)
13:22 cgcardona wow the Trilema header changed
13:22 cgcardona no more monopoly money?!
13:23 bitcoinpete cgcardona: i still see monopoly
13:23 dexX7 clear your cache
13:24 cgcardona bitcoinpete: I'm seeing http://imgur.com/5e6LSSG
13:24 danielpbarron i liked the old one, but it wasn't the most aesthetically pleasing design
13:25 cgcardona well the old one had such a good message w/ the monopoly money
13:25 danielpbarron ya
13:25 bitcoinpete cgcardona: slightly more frightening, slightly less tongue-in-cheek
13:26 cgcardona yea I wonder who did the drawing?
13:27 bitcoinpete "Truthcoin is my ambitious project to create a trustless P2P prediction-marketplace. This is possible because, unlike most marketplaces, the end product of a prediction market (PM) is information."
13:27 bitcoinpete "The end result is the first of its kind: a market for actual prediction-commodities, which have a value based on their accuracy and not based on the behaviour of any administrator, rival trader, or counterparty."
13:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00096958 = 11.7804 BTC [+] {2}
13:27 bitcoinpete "Contract outcomes are determined in a trustless and decentralized way, through a weighted vote based on present and past consensus with a unique Nash Equilibrium where all voters report accurately on the state of markets."
13:28 bitcoinpete https://github.com/psztorc/Truthcoin <<goodness gracious
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13:40 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07145013 = 1.429 BTC [+]
13:44 thestringpuller can we just exile these n00bs to an island and do battle royale?
13:44 thestringpuller the ones who survive get to do useful shit? y/n?
13:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 17 @ 0.03318207 = 0.5641 BTC [+]
13:49 BingoBoingo ;;later tell Micon The practical reason to register with Gribble and the WoT at the moment is to get self voicing privileges passed to you.
13:49 gribble The operation succeeded.
13:55 bitcoinpete Nic Cary , the CEO of Blockchain.info, interviews Fereshteh Forough and Roya Mahboob about the Women's Annex Foundation initiative which helps and supports women through education and technology, starting from Afghanistan. The content providers on the Women's Annex platform are getting paid with the Digital Currency Bitcoin which allow them to finance their expenses and costs easily without facing problems with the banking system an
13:55 bitcoinpete transaction fees.
13:55 bitcoinpete http://www.filmannex.com/movie/blockchain-ceo-nicolas-cary-talks-with-roya-mahboob-and-fereshteh-forough-of-womens-annex-on-how-bitcoin-supports-women-in-developing-countries/43868
13:55 ozbot Blockchain CEO Nicolas Cary talks with Roya Mahboob and Fereshteh Forough of Women's Annex on how Bi
13:56 bitcoinpete worst url
14:02 thestringpuller bitcoinpete is better than the lamestream media
14:04 bitcoinpete thestringpuller: this is exactly the point
14:05 bitcoinpete conversations, news, this channel has it all
14:06 bitcoinpete So the financial post, out of toronto, has a weekly feature on an older couple and their preparedness for retirement
14:07 bitcoinpete this week's couple has saved $2.7M and the post decided that this was only 2/5 stars of readiness
14:07 bitcoinpete which i think is fair given inflation and a few decades of travel, etc
14:08 bitcoinpete my buddy thinks that this is "so out of touch because if I am reading this, with no savings, I wonder what the entire point is. it should at least add a context."
14:09 bitcoinpete except no one with savings reads the fucking financial post article on retirement
14:09 bitcoinpete they read the rags or they watch tv or facebook
14:09 bitcoinpete *no one without
14:11 bitcoinpete people think that we should cater everything to some imaginary poor person who might be offended. c'mon now
14:11 thestringpuller ;;gettrust bitcoinpete
14:11 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@unaffiliated/bitcoinpete. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user bitcoinpete: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=bitcoinpete | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitcoinpete | Rated since: Fri Mar 28 09:14:47 2014
14:11 thestringpuller nice
14:14 bitcoinpete ooo http://bitcoinjobfair.com today!
14:16 thestringpuller I kinda want to apply at bitpay because they are nearby
14:16 thestringpuller no need to relocate just change my commute
14:16 thestringpuller and they would pay me in bitcoin...
14:16 thestringpuller God that sounds fucking appealing as shit :(
14:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4799 BTC [+]
14:27 chetty http://www.cato.org/blog/new-frontiers-regulatory-overreach?
14:27 ozbot New Frontiers in Regulatory Overreach | Cato @ Liberty
14:30 bitcoinpete chetty: vancouver is very pro-bear
14:30 bitcoinpete they used to have an nba basketball team called the grizzlies
14:31 bitcoinpete the bear lobby is not one to be messed with
14:31 Apocalyptic can someone recommend a relevant venue for following financial news ?
14:34 bitcoinpete Apocalyptic: https://twitter.com/WSJCentralBanks
14:37 chetty Suggests Full Employment Could Be Reached In Six Months ---hmm does that count all those that have quit looking?
14:45 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07136398 = 0.785 BTC [-] {2}
14:54 fluffypony http://blog.btcjam.com/post/84570971322/peer-to-peer-lending-will-change-developing-countries
14:55 fluffypony BTCJam have good ideas, they just have no clue how to bring it to fruition
14:56 bitcoinpete fluffypony: implementation requires more formality and skill than btcjam and others imagine
14:56 fluffypony yeah
14:56 bitcoinpete p2p lending is sold as if it works iteself
14:56 fluffypony also people in developing countries don't have an eBay or PayPal account
14:56 Apocalyptic btcjam is more like a p2p scamming last I heard
14:56 fluffypony which precludes their using BTCJam
14:57 bitcoinpete "developing countries" are plenty developed and sustainable w/o our garbage
14:57 kakobrekla its not implementation, its the bitcoin appreciation and volatility that makes this doa
14:57 bitcoinpete fluffypony: see my last blog ;)
14:58 bitcoinpete kakobrekla: that's part of their implementation, neh?
14:58 kakobrekla hows that?
14:58 bitcoinpete Apocalyptic: pretty much
14:58 fluffypony kakobrekla: BTC can be used purely as the medium of exchange, pegged to the local exchange rate, if the lenders aren't long on Bitcoin
14:59 kakobrekla most of the loans that are taken get converted into fiat, meaning autofucked
14:59 kakobrekla how are you going to fix this with implementation
14:59 kakobrekla meh medium of exchange gtfo
15:00 fluffypony why not?
15:00 fluffypony not everyone is long on Bitcoin, it's not a prerequisite for its use
15:02 benkay fluffypony: you're starting to sound a lot like the20year
15:02 * fluffypony shrugs
15:02 benkay "i'm just providing a vehicle for people to go short btc!"
15:03 bitcoinpete fluffypony: i'd argue that it's too big of a pain to use for a long position to not be a pre-req
15:07 fluffypony bitcoinpete: ok but let's focus on the lending space - at the moment there is already a thriving p2p micro-lending market in some countries, mostly unregulated. The problem is that the cost of transacting makes it impossible for people outside of that country to get involved.
15:11 fluffypony that also means that lenders don't need to know much more than how to get money on to BitStamp and then withdraw the BTC to their [insert loan site here] account
15:11 fluffypony and the reverse for repayments
15:13 dignork fluffypony: micro-lending shop will face the same problem with BTC funding - they have to go short on BTC since they provide loans in fiat
15:13 fluffypony dignork: yep, I think I'm talking purely about using BTC as a way of getting around the cross-border issues
15:17 bounce do you have any reason to assume microlending to faraway countries will go any better than loaning on irc or whatwasthatsiteagain?
15:17 benkay fluffypony: the real issue is that microloans have a pretty bad return, what with having to chase anonymous poverty-ensnared people all over their shithole country/favela
15:17 fluffypony benkay: I fully agree on that
15:18 benkay remittances, though...
15:18 fluffypony I'm not suggesting that microlending to Malawians is ultra-profitable (or at all)
15:18 benkay fuck lending.
15:18 benkay do remittances.
15:18 benkay a BTC operation doing remittances would slay.
15:19 benkay i want to get some skin into the remittance game, but haven't figured out how to.
15:19 fluffypony benkay: TagPesa seem to have that in the bag...just a pity about their involvement with Seedcoin II: The Wrath of Seedz
15:19 benkay just because someone's doing it doesn't mean to not do it.
15:19 fluffypony sure
15:19 fluffypony we spoke about this today in fact
15:20 fluffypony http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-05-2014#657090
15:20 ozbot #bitcoin-assets log
15:20 benkay i'd take an entirely different tack
15:20 benkay gotta be quick 'cause i'm on my way to a walk
15:20 benkay but
15:21 benkay go somewhere with a serious expat community in the habit of sending money home, make friends in that group, figure out what it's costing to get money where they need it moved, and then move it with btc.
15:21 benkay but start small, none of this raise capital and scale crap
15:22 benkay one person in each of two cities doing the changing
15:22 benkay expand the network from there.
15:22 fluffypony yeah, that's precisely what TagPesa is has done with the South Sudanese expats living in Australia
15:23 fluffypony s/is has/has
15:23 benkay it's a pretty high touch approach, which is why i'd expect to be able to carve out a niche in the space
15:23 benkay like
15:23 benkay the pines and cruise lines
15:23 benkay phillipines*
15:23 benkay anyways
15:23 benkay walk o'clock
15:24 fluffypony have fun
15:24 chetty benkay: > argentina
15:29 fluffypony http://it.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/24gknv/im_jesse_eisinger_a_pulitzerwinning_financial/ch6wfib
15:30 fluffypony http://reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/24gknv/im_jesse_eisinger_a_pulitzerwinning_financial/ch6wfib
15:30 fluffypony "Bitcoin is a mad, technoutopian fever dream that will end in tears, if it hasn't already."
15:30 fluffypony - Jesse Eisinger, Pulitzer-winning financial reporter
15:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24701 @ 0.00096676 = 23.8799 BTC [-] {4}
15:35 dignork Localbitcoins got p0wned through social engineering: http://localbitcoins.blogspot.fi/2014/05/attack-against-localbitcoins.html
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15:52 kakobrekla oh my.
15:52 kakobrekla https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=593815.0
15:52 ozbot Overstock.com CEO interested in NXT asset exchange
15:52 kakobrekla >>I do not know NXT, but I am interested in finding (and even potentially investing in) efforts to create a peer-to-peer capital market. In fact, if a good solution emerges, you might even see Overstock be the first issuer of a stock or bond in such a market, just to help things get going! (Incidentally, we were the first to do a Dutch auction IPO, for precisely that reason.)
15:53 fluffypony kakobrekla: so they're going to lend legitimacy to all the scammy DACs
15:53 fluffypony great
15:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 41 @ 0.07594902 = 3.1139 BTC [+] {9}
15:55 kakobrekla oh my, dac.
15:56 cgcardona ;;ticker
15:56 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 432.45, Best ask: 434.5, Bid-ask spread: 2.05000, Last trade: 434.5, 24 hour volume: 7518.22015233, 24 hour low: 431.0, 24 hour high: 455.78, 24 hour vwap: 443.02536701
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16:14 dexX7 wasn't nxt abandoned?
16:15 fluffypony dexX7: I gave up following the altcoin drama
16:15 dexX7 hehe
16:15 dexX7 yea, there is probably too much
16:15 moiety drama on teh interwebz? never!
16:15 fluffypony every time a coin dev disappears then someone picks up the reigns and "relaunches" it
16:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00097106 = 8.0598 BTC [+] {2}
16:16 fluffypony and then the original dev reappears
16:16 dexX7 some could call this improvement
16:16 fluffypony and the relaunch is abandoned
16:16 dexX7 okay, not this hehe
16:16 fluffypony lol
16:17 moiety there was a right mess with those tox devs
16:29 BingoBoingo http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2014/05/03/shawn_hogan_ceo_of_digital_point_solutions_and_former_ebay_affiliated_marketer.html
16:29 ozbot Shawn Hogan, CEO of Digital Point Solutions and former eBay affiliated marketer, is sentenced to $25
16:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 101 @ 0.00649284 = 0.6558 BTC [-] {5}
16:31 mircea_popescu soo
16:31 mircea_popescu yo Micon
16:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00097187 = 2.3325 BTC [+]
16:33 fluffypony BingoBoingo: damn, that case took forever
16:33 BingoBoingo fluffypony: Good ones do. My disorderly conduct case has now exceeded a year in length.
16:34 fluffypony BingoBoingo: disorderly conduct? tl;dr / blog post?
16:34 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves im not sure i get what you're asking there.
16:35 BingoBoingo fluffypony: I don't like to comment much on the pending case other than, allegedly some political speech was said.
16:36 fluffypony BingoBoingo: time to move to South Africa, we're not particularly litigious
16:36 mircea_popescu !up frank1e
16:36 assbot Voicing frank1e for 30 minutes.
16:36 BingoBoingo fluffypony: When I jump ship I'm looking more towards south or central america.
16:37 fluffypony BingoBoingo: do they have baseball there?
16:37 fluffypony :-P
16:38 BingoBoingo fluffypony: Of course. Many of the great players come from the region and many of the US players play in their Winter leagues as well.
16:38 fluffypony yeah better deal than South Africa from that perspective then
16:38 fluffypony we have lions and tigers and sunsets and stuff
16:39 BingoBoingo Also I can kinda speak spanish. Also less aids and Ebola.
16:40 mircea_popescu cgcardona: why oh why doesn't nickserv turn ENFORCE on by default? << because security should not be the default ?
16:40 cgcardona really? what are your thoughts there?
16:41 cgcardona seems like security should be the default
16:42 mircea_popescu why ?
16:43 mircea_popescu there's nothing default about security.
16:43 mircea_popescu for that matter, children are born naked. you clothe them after.
16:43 BingoBoingo cgcardona: You have to realize a lot of non-Bitcoin freenode is tech support for a lot of projects, and... If they locked out every name forever, it would be a pain coming up with unique names every time you don't care to remember a password.
16:43 BingoBoingo If you care about your name, you can work to keep it.
16:43 mircea_popescu also this.
16:43 cgcardona fair enough
16:45 BingoBoingo Unique names are a non-trival problem in large networks.
16:45 mircea_popescu kakobrekla "Speakers from the Bitcoin Foundation, Circle Internet Financial" << so much speaking these doods do.
16:46 fluffypony we should start the Bitcoin Assets Foundation
16:47 cgcardona Reggae band called 'The Bitcoin Groundation'
16:47 BingoBoingo Foundations are dumb, except in the rare cases they aren't
16:47 mircea_popescu in romanian, fund means ass, and foundation is "fundatie". so...
16:47 fluffypony we can make Jimmothy an honorary member
16:48 fluffypony the court jester, so to speak
16:48 mircea_popescu did he start a bitcoin investment growth first ever fund yet or anything ?
16:48 BingoBoingo Jimmothy can my honorary "chair" concerned with fundaments
16:49 fluffypony I don't think he's done anything except make circuitous, confusing arguments and accuse everyone of being part of a cult
16:49 fluffypony or that might be minerpart, I lose track
16:49 pankkake I was going to reply to the latest jimmothy things but I forced myself not to
16:49 pankkake I just can't into his brain
16:49 mircea_popescu isnt minerpart the one that kept talking to people on btctalk like they were me ?
16:50 BingoBoingo Yeah
16:50 fluffypony pankkake: I also start typing replies to him and then give up, I don't actually have the time to waste
16:50 pankkake well, the first one to do so was the NeoBee lover that got banned
16:50 fluffypony mircea_popescu: he accuses everyone of either being you or "sucking MP's dick"
16:50 fluffypony and then backtracks when it's clear that the person is not you
16:51 mircea_popescu btw, did you know you can actually get a cock skin problem that's essentially... tegument digestion syndrome ?
16:51 mircea_popescu apparently saliva has some digestive properties, and if you keep your cock in mouths for too many hours a day... well...
16:51 BingoBoingo That doesn't sound pleasant...
16:51 mircea_popescu indeed.
16:51 bitcoinpete http://miseschrist.com/2014/04/30/satoshi-revealed-an-inside-look-at-the-man-behind-bitcoin/ <<szabo. again
16:51 ozbot Satoshi Revealed: An Inside Look at the Man behind Bitcoin | Mises Christ
16:51 moiety Bitcoin Assnation seems pretty fitting
16:51 mircea_popescu again ?
16:51 bitcoinpete again
16:52 fluffypony again.
16:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16272 @ 0.00097187 = 15.8143 BTC [+]
16:52 mircea_popescu If chicken little tells you that the sky is fallin'
16:52 mircea_popescu Even if it wasn't would you still come crawlin'
16:52 mircea_popescu Back again
16:52 mircea_popescu I bet you would my friend
16:52 mircea_popescu Again & again & again & again & again
16:54 BingoBoingo I'm pretty sure I would smoke the chicken on the grill. Chickens are better as food than as alarms.
16:55 mircea_popescu !up TheNewDeal
16:55 assbot Voicing TheNewDeal for 30 minutes.
16:55 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo aerosmith song.
16:55 TheNewDeal thanks
16:55 mircea_popescu so who're you ?
16:56 artifexd Remember TestingUnDosTres? He changed his nick to TheNewDeal.
16:56 mircea_popescu oic.
16:56 mircea_popescu better nick i say
16:56 TheNewDeal yes indeed
16:56 TheNewDeal Bitcoin, The New Deal
16:57 TheNewDeal double voiced
16:58 mircea_popescu !down TheNewDeal
16:58 assbot mircea_popescu, you can't do that to TheNewDeal.
16:58 mircea_popescu omg wh yshould he have two voices
16:58 fluffypony double voice > double rainbow
16:59 TheNewDeal unlimited power
16:59 mircea_popescu http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=118 kik i like the danielpbarron kid
16:59 ozbot #bitcoin-assets bash
17:00 mircea_popescu this new set of bashes are pretty cool
17:00 mircea_popescu ;;marielynn
17:00 gribble Error: "marielynn" is not a valid command.
17:00 mircea_popescu ;;seen marielynn
17:00 gribble marielynn was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 hours, 24 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <MarieLynn> Okay, I only want palatable :P
17:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 103.64066680 BTC to 13`595 shares, 762344 satoshi per share
17:01 mircea_popescu !t h cog
17:01 assbot [HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: 0.00689999 / 0.00717103 / 0.00749777 (13 shares, 0.09322341 BTC), 7D: 0.00600041 / 0.00798867 / 0.01000000 (206 shares, 1.64566602 BTC), 30D: 0.00399993 / 0.01001049 / 0.03499997 (2737 shares, 27.39871525 BTC)
17:01 bitcoinpete https://twitter.com/M_McDonough/status/462686941314818048/photo/1 << canada down to 4th in natural gas exports
17:01 ozbot Twitter / M_McDonough: World's Top Five Natural Gas ...
17:01 mircea_popescu did that thing just dissolve ?
17:01 kakobrekla prolly
17:02 mircea_popescu so traded 4 to 35, settled at 7.6 ?
17:02 mircea_popescu sounds about right.
17:02 kakobrekla http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=117
17:02 ozbot #bitcoin-assets bash
17:02 kakobrekla what is this -2
17:02 kakobrekla lots of ppl from mit here?
17:02 pankkake with some goaty drama
17:02 mircea_popescu kakobrekla lol apparently.
17:02 fluffypony lol
17:02 ryepdx Outside of Bitfinex, is there any way to short Bitcoin in USD? I'm interested in exploring the possibility of creating a Bitcoin wallet that maintains a constant USD balance no matter what the exchange rate does.
17:02 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 100 @ 0.00506315 = 0.5063 BTC [-] {11}
17:03 bitcoinpete ryepdx: so just like a regular bank account then
17:03 kakobrekla first dissolve the company then sell the shares!
17:03 mircea_popescu right, seems like "sell bitcoins, keep dollars" would bte the way to go
17:03 ryepdx Right. But without the risk of someone deciding you shouldn't have a bank account anymore.
17:03 BingoBoingo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=588220.msg6519510#msg6519510
17:03 ozbot Should KENILWORTH be reported to Austrailian Securities Commission?
17:04 bitcoinpete ryepdx: so like cash under your mattress
17:04 fluffypony ryepdx: except someone is holding the USD in a bank account, right, and THEIR bank account can be closed
17:04 mircea_popescu ryepdx not sure that risk can be avoided. for instance, yo ucould buy a delivered future like the x.eur
17:04 mircea_popescu but it's still tied to the deliverability of the underwriter.
17:04 mircea_popescu in short, for as long as you wish to hold a franchise (in this case, the dollar) you're bound by the rights of the franchise owner.
17:05 TheNewDeal ryepdx, not a leveraged short, but start an account on bitstamp, sell btc at a price you want to short at, set up buy orders below said sale
17:05 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal and if someone decides bitstamp should no longer have a bank account ?
17:05 fluffypony ^^^
17:05 TheNewDeal counterparty risk...
17:05 mircea_popescu i mean, his idea is sound, in theory, i can see why that is desirable
17:05 mircea_popescu decouple one bitcoin benefit from the others.
17:05 ryepdx Yeah. BridgeWalker got bit by that, hard. They were using Gox.
17:05 TheNewDeal guy was talking about bitfinex, so ...
17:06 mircea_popescu it's just that it doesn't seem structurally decouple-able.
17:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 69 @ 0.00481682 = 0.3324 BTC [-] {4}
17:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20163 @ 0.00097187 = 19.5958 BTC [+]
17:06 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal well i glossed over that bit of nonsense.
17:07 ryepdx I realize that getting in and out with actual dollars will require centralized brokers. Gateways from and to fiat will always be vulnerable...
17:07 mircea_popescu ryepdx prolly your best bet is an otc contract with a trusted party.
17:07 mircea_popescu ;;gettrust ryepdx
17:07 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user ryepdx: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=ryepdx | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ryepdx | Rated since: Tue May 24 01:12:57 2011
17:07 mircea_popescu which is something you don't have access to yet.
17:07 ryepdx ;;eauth
17:07 gribble (eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
17:07 fluffypony needs moar ratings
17:07 ryepdx ;;eauth rye
17:08 gribble Request successful for user rye, hostmask ryepdx!~ryan@c-76-115-78-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/680F5108B06DBB77
17:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0321019 = 0.1605 BTC [+]
17:08 moiety kakobrekla: i made it 0. im not having a neg bash addition!
17:08 kakobrekla moiety :D
17:08 ryepdx ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:736a4f34eb8a3a3b9e41887e3b563bdca818765969c8700121e399da
17:08 gribble You are now authenticated for user rye with key 680F5108B06DBB77
17:08 fluffypony ;;rated moiety
17:08 gribble You have not yet rated user moiety
17:08 mircea_popescu ;;gettrust rye
17:08 fluffypony oh noez
17:08 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask ryepdx!~ryan@c-76-115-78-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user rye: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=rye | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=rye | Rated since: Thu May 1 15:06:26 2014
17:09 mircea_popescu ryepdx i guess make a deal with benkay ?
17:09 fluffypony ;;rate moiety 1 the Cat Lady of Bitcoin Assets
17:09 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user moiety has been recorded.
17:09 moiety \o/ lol
17:09 moiety cat lady. nice
17:09 fluffypony s'true
17:10 fluffypony if I say "manul lady" nobody will know what that iw
17:10 fluffypony *is
17:10 TheNewDeal hahaha
17:10 benkay !up Micon
17:10 assbot Voicing Micon for 30 minutes.
17:10 moiety ;; rate fluffypony 1 Creator of epic manul art
17:10 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user fluffypony has been recorded.
17:10 benkay !up Micon_
17:10 assbot Voicing Micon_ for 30 minutes.
17:10 mircea_popescu fluffypony or think it has to do with masturbation
17:10 Micon_ hi
17:10 moiety meh i use manuls everywhere
17:10 fluffypony mircea_popescu: exactly
17:10 TheNewDeal you could put a sweet manul link in the rating
17:10 mircea_popescu Micon_ hey. so the deal is this : bitbet offers an open affiliate deal, where anyone sending traffic gets 100% the house rake
17:11 moiety wait.. mircea_popescu i have my location on tweeter as "looking for manuls" :/ eep
17:11 mircea_popescu Micon_ the payments for april were 0.09 BTC. this is fucking ridiculous. now, what can you do for me ?
17:11 Micon_ ?
17:11 Micon_ I suppose I could wish you the best of luck :)
17:11 Micon_ and suggest an a-ads.com run
17:11 ryepdx mircea_popescu: Okay, thanks. Was kinda hoping someone had already set up a security of some kind, but I guess I'm treading new-ish ground.
17:11 mircea_popescu how about manage a horde of affs ?
17:12 Micon_ if I didn't have my own horde to manage for SwC I'd seriously consider your offer
17:12 fluffypony ryepdx: build it and they will come? :-P
17:12 TheNewDeal how does this house deal work - how can you make sure that someone isn't just giving the rake to themself?
17:12 mircea_popescu Micon_ hm. okay.
17:13 ryepdx mirceau_popescu: Affs == affiliates?
17:13 mircea_popescu yes.
17:13 Micon_ I do thank you for making bitbet to help kill betsofbit.coscam
17:13 TheNewDeal I guess I could read tfm
17:13 Micon_ good riddance, coinjedi
17:13 mircea_popescu Micon_ also, re the wot thing : there isn't really a top. http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ << that's the long story.
17:13 ryepdx Was thinking that. Was also hoping I wouldn't have to manage a bunch of affiliates myself.
17:14 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal like normal in aff systems lol
17:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03399412 = 0.17 BTC [+]
17:14 Micon_ mircea_popescu - I am interested in how to define trust for us early btc barons and accept other friendlies as time goes
17:14 Micon_ I know many legitimate humans want to connect and make btc businesses
17:15 mircea_popescu i just had lunch with a couple.
17:15 Micon_ there are so many segments to fill now and many more segments that haven't been created yet
17:15 mircea_popescu right.
17:15 mircea_popescu well, this chan is your friend then.
17:15 Micon_ a place like this is needed badly at this stage
17:15 mircea_popescu get in the wot so you can self-voice yourself for the future
17:16 Micon_ ah yes, instructions on that?
17:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.03399291 = 0.102 BTC [-]
17:16 TheNewDeal can i ref myself?
17:16 mircea_popescu Micon_ http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication
17:17 BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: Anyone can make referral links, they look like http://bitbet.us/bet/801/american-league-team-will-win-the-mlb-world/?ref=16wAZSsL8BFNFM8WCsrE8pwwFkhDErWiok
17:17 BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: Just sub in an address of yours
17:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00096939 = 15.0255 BTC [-]
17:19 TheNewDeal but my question is, what happens if I create a ref link, then I myself send bets through the link
17:19 fluffypony then you'll get the credit
17:20 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal you ever been an affiliate before ?
17:20 TheNewDeal nope
17:20 fluffypony TheNewDeal: there are lots of ways of gaming an affiliate system, and even more ways of being caught
17:20 mircea_popescu pretty much.
17:21 fluffypony anyone who's seriously played with affiliate systems has tried cookie stuffing Amazon and had their account frozen
17:21 pankkake I did it by mistake the first times I used bitbet
17:21 moiety do we have a first steps in assets guide? this would be good for ze wiki
17:21 pankkake http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/wot_and_reputation perhaps
17:21 fluffypony moiety: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Beginners_Guide
17:22 ozbot wot_and_reputation [bitcoin assets wiki]
17:22 mircea_popescu moiety you can cobble it together, out of nano's gribble intro linked above and the general assbot stuff.
17:22 pankkake https://blockchain.info/address/1Eck6cgGzEb9N42CFhcsCBQhZQStoJbHRK my tries of spamming for bitbet, 0.04 total. not as bad as I remember
17:22 ozbot Bitcoin Address 1Eck6cgGzEb9N42CFhcsCBQhZQStoJbHRK
17:22 moiety aye be nice to collate it all together and hand a hand holding step by step
17:22 moiety and have a *
17:23 fluffypony moiety: just don't tell kakobrekla about it, he hates hand holding
17:23 fluffypony :-P
17:24 mircea_popescu http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/02/white-house-legal-immunity-telecoms-firms-bill?CMP=twt_fd
17:24 ozbot White House seeks legal immunity for firms that hand over customer data | World news | theguardian.
17:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 22 @ 0.00674 = 0.1483 BTC [+] {2}
17:27 fluffypony A Mormon guy goes into a hotel and checks in, he says "I hope the porn in my room is disabled". The guy behind the desk replies "no it's just regular porn you sick fuck".
17:28 moiety fluffypony: not entirely hand holding just a 'dont ask why if you cant be arsed to read the collated info and steps or manuls shall be set upon you' thingy
17:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.076 = 0.836 BTC [+]
17:28 fluffypony moiety: I'm all for it, was just teasing kakobrekla
17:29 mircea_popescu i wonder if mormon porn includes the special underwear.
17:29 moiety special underwear?!
17:29 moiety queefwear?
17:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07697711 = 0.5388 BTC [+] {3}
17:29 TheNewDeal flullypony I like that one
17:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07698997 = 0.7699 BTC [+] {3}
17:30 moiety i had a large bot guide typed out and my laptop died
17:31 mircea_popescu moiety yes, mormons use special blessed underwear. also, this is why you save periodically.
17:31 TheNewDeal who is the Milk character that's referenced at the bottom of the bitbet faq?
17:31 ThickAsThieves <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves im not sure i get what you're asking there. /// I'll break it down into bits
17:32 moiety i know D; i havent lost anything in ages. this will be the reminder for the next few years XD
17:32 fluffypony ThickAsThieves: be sure to use the new symbol
17:32 ThickAsThieves 1. You want to have an open market for artwork be an integral part of Eulora
17:32 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal old story.
17:32 ThickAsThieves I assume this consists of incentivizing designers to make skins and such
17:32 fluffypony oh you mean actual bits, not Bitpay bits
17:32 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves not exactly, no.
17:33 mircea_popescu i want to have a services market, as integral part of bitcoin.
17:33 ThickAsThieves i'm a lil lost
17:33 ThickAsThieves you mean the freelancer.com thing?
17:34 mircea_popescu that, except not a piece of shit.
17:34 ThickAsThieves ahhhh that clears much up,
17:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 56 @ 0.00472641 = 0.2647 BTC [-] {4}
17:34 ThickAsThieves see i was always picturing you'd have some sort of eulora-specific market
17:34 ThickAsThieves as part of the game
17:34 ThickAsThieves like how Dota 2 does it
17:34 ThickAsThieves to make "hats"
17:34 ThickAsThieves or other armor skins
17:35 ThickAsThieves something integrated yet separate from the game
17:35 ThickAsThieves but not totally encompassing like a freelance.com
17:35 ThickAsThieves (something worth considering either way, Dota 2 is fucking raking it in)
17:36 mircea_popescu yes, but that is not a choice on dota's part, but a forced mistake.
17:36 mircea_popescu nothing forces my hand there/
17:36 ThickAsThieves choice and forced mistake are different how exactly?
17:36 mircea_popescu dota didn't make the choice tonot make a freelance.com killer.
17:36 mircea_popescu they never had that option.
17:37 ThickAsThieves ah
17:37 ThickAsThieves while i dont disagree
17:37 mircea_popescu like, poor indian woman marries some poor indian schmuck rather than me.
17:37 mircea_popescu well... forced mistake on her part.
17:37 ThickAsThieves i do question whether or not dota's approach is better
17:37 ThickAsThieves for the sake of the game itself
17:38 ThickAsThieves it will be rather difficult to develop a thriving eulora skin market in bitlancer.io
17:38 ThickAsThieves compared to having one hosted in the game
17:38 mircea_popescu why ?
17:39 mircea_popescu eulora does not include a web browser, nor will it.
17:39 ThickAsThieves nor does dota
17:39 mircea_popescu most games cheat and include shit via in-game browsers
17:39 ThickAsThieves (though Steam does)
17:39 mircea_popescu usure ?
17:39 ThickAsThieves part of the marker is extra-dota
17:39 ThickAsThieves part is intra
17:39 ThickAsThieves market*
17:40 ThickAsThieves they each have gateways to the other though
17:40 BingoBoingo The in game browser is one of the worst things about Eve
17:40 mircea_popescu doesn't this design start to sound to you like that famous turtle ?
17:40 ThickAsThieves yes and no, i think there are marketing considerations
17:40 mircea_popescu http://liberationbc.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/turtle-caught-in-plastic-ring.jpg
17:41 mircea_popescu !up Micon_
17:41 assbot Voicing Micon_ for 30 minutes.
17:41 ThickAsThieves i'm sure i can totally articulate why i think dota's approach has advantages, but i'll try
17:42 ThickAsThieves branding/community - Having it intregrated allows focus on the game, removes distractions, and creates a sense of worth, even for "worthless" skins
17:42 ThickAsThieves moving it to a bitlance.io would throw it into the wild
17:42 ThickAsThieves it would compete more directly with other work
17:43 ThickAsThieves and thin out the focus and perceived value of the brand
17:43 mircea_popescu competition is bad ?
17:43 ThickAsThieves not in a general sense, no
17:43 ThickAsThieves but in the end Eulora is it's own player, competing
17:44 ThickAsThieves i'm not saying to pretend competition doesnt exist
17:44 mircea_popescu how does that work ?
17:44 ThickAsThieves i'm saying that dominating customer attention gains benefit
17:45 ThickAsThieves people like the option of options, to feel they have choice, but in a marketing sense, they dont functionally like it too much choice
17:46 ThickAsThieves this crosses over to your designers too
17:46 mircea_popescu yes. but strategically, do i want to encourage a few good people to make a few good skins as you call them
17:46 mircea_popescu or each idiot to make a ms paint drawing ?
17:46 ThickAsThieves no no
17:46 mircea_popescu !up KLYE
17:46 assbot Voicing KLYE for 30 minutes.
17:46 ThickAsThieves you want the players to be enthusiasts of the designers and designs
17:46 KLYE I was summoned here by an email. How goes all?
17:47 ThickAsThieves and you wantthe designers to know they have a dedicated thriving community to consume them
17:47 mircea_popescu KLYE what's this strip cam biz ?
17:47 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves true.
17:47 KLYE It's my initial seeding of what eventually will be the new standard for live adult entertainment
17:47 mircea_popescu but i don't believe the best way to achieve that is through half-assing the marketplace design.
17:48 mircea_popescu KLYE do explain.
17:48 ThickAsThieves while Dota is in no way a perfect bitlancer, it is also debatable to call it half-assed tfor the purposes it was designed
17:48 KLYE Well MP. Right now I am collecting initial investment capital to acquire my Studio proper equipment and space to essentially prove that my business plan is profitable and viable
17:49 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves yes, true, for the purposes and in the constraints they had they did great. i still think it a forced mistake.
17:49 ThickAsThieves (i could easily mark improvements for dota's market as applied though)
17:49 mircea_popescu nothing bad about it, these happen. that's why "forced"
17:49 mircea_popescu KLYE who's going to camwhoire for you ?
17:50 ThickAsThieves so this goes back to my questions, as my goal wasnt to compare market approaches anyway
17:50 KLYE I have a local harem here. And I am constantly recruiting both locally and abroad.
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17:50 mircea_popescu you don't say.
17:51 mircea_popescu have this local harem strip and hold a sign saying "hello mp!".
17:51 fluffypony that's a good starting point
17:51 KLYE As it sits at this current moment I am looking into exactly what Cameras I'd like to invest in.. I need PTZ technology built in. But I also don't want to invest in cheap hardware and have it break quickly
17:51 ThickAsThieves now i should rephrase to, will there be an inital set pf graphics the game is launched with, with a style guide - separately from any continuously solicited graphics -- or is my vision of "coninuously created graphics" off the mark, where theyll be not even a shade of the dota community approach
17:51 KLYE Hahaha. That can be arranged MP.
17:52 mircea_popescu go for it.
17:52 fluffypony plus it'll be fun, I'm tired of .bait
17:52 BingoBoingo .bait
17:52 ozbot http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5lzsqtYG31qzpi5po1_1280.jpg
17:53 KLYE My one is away at school at the moment. Another is enroute from BC.. I have a small handful of girls that would enjoy this though. Once I explain to them who you are I imagine they would without question.
17:54 hanbot 'evening all
17:54 mircea_popescu KLYE well so you have a few hours, set something up.
17:54 KLYE Do you mind if I quickly go check my threads and email? I slept a little longer than I wanted to this morning and need to catch up with a few investors I imagine.
17:54 ThickAsThieves hello hanbot
17:56 KLYE Hahaha, The thing about whores MP is they are not easily summon-able. Hard to get them over (let alone all of them in one room) and an absolute bastard to get them to leave once they are here.. :P
17:56 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves the current thinking is that if by style guide you mean, that the same hand visibly had designed everything, that that's a luxury we don't want to afford
17:56 mircea_popescu much like kyle's camho biz does not need super cameras as much as it needs super eager sluts.
17:57 KLYE That, And it is a terrible conflict of interest for all of my consorts to know about eachother. I am honest with them I am not monogamous.. But I haven't tested putting them in close proximity to one another.
17:57 mircea_popescu KLYE the difference between a harem and anything else is that the harem does things on the spot.
17:57 KLYE My harem is not live in though.. Not yet.
17:57 mircea_popescu gotta be very careful not to use words you can't back, in this rap biz :p
17:57 fluffypony hanbot: good evenings
17:57 KLYE Hahah, Explain MP.
17:57 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves there's a lot to discuss on this point, but i think style may emerge.
17:58 ThickAsThieves <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves the current thinking is that if by style guide you mean, that the same hand visibly had designed everything, that that's a luxury we don't want to afford /// not exactly, a style guide is more like a branding guidelines document, it defines the overall style of the game, creating boundaries for artists
17:58 ThickAsThieves for example,
17:58 mircea_popescu KLYE not really much to explain. if i ask you and you say you got a harem o' girls, you gotta have them then.
17:58 ThickAsThieves WoW's style guide might say "please try to use blocky, child-friendly shapes"
17:59 mircea_popescu at that level the answer is yes.
17:59 ThickAsThieves where Rift's might say "designs should not resemble WoW and be more photo=realistic"
17:59 ThickAsThieves etc
17:59 mircea_popescu "please make everything look like heroes series, mp loved those
17:59 ThickAsThieves hehe
17:59 ThickAsThieves it just makes sure all the furniture looks good in the room
18:00 hanbot KLYE> Hahaha, The thing about whores MP is they are not easily summon-able / odd, i thought that was the point. easy come, easy go.
18:00 KLYE I certainly hope you aren't discrediting me for not being able snap my fingers and have the whores over now. These women like booze and parties. As it sits I have neither, nor is it that time of day yet. And as explained before I am hesitant to get them all together. They may be whores.. But last thing I need is them all pissed off at me for putting them in the same room as one another.
18:00 mircea_popescu KLYE not yet.
18:00 mircea_popescu but eventually you gotta follow through, it's what business is built on.
18:00 ThickAsThieves a style guide might also get technical to help 3d artists know the boundaries and specs of each hero race
18:01 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves there's only one race.
18:01 ThickAsThieves interesting
18:01 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves however, to round that point : no modern game can feasibly made by exactly 1 person. practical games are made by teams, and a lot of content is needed. as the game goes through its cycle, the teams change anyway.
18:01 mircea_popescu so very much coherence of style is a bridge too far in all cases anyway.
18:01 mircea_popescu this from a very demanding and in depth art perspective.
18:02 mircea_popescu KLYE anyway, they don't have to be in the same room specifically, if you don't intend them to do group work.
18:02 ThickAsThieves there are ways to mitigate this to almost seamless effect
18:02 ThickAsThieves dota 2 most certainly maintains a style
18:02 ThickAsThieves despite dozens of outside contributors
18:02 mircea_popescu sure.
18:03 ThickAsThieves just need good art directors and PMs
18:03 mircea_popescu but to some degree... style may also be an emergent property of groups
18:03 ThickAsThieves yes
18:03 mircea_popescu perhaps something yo udon't want to fuck with
18:03 ThickAsThieves styke may evolve
18:03 mircea_popescu so it's a complicated thing.
18:03 ThickAsThieves and should be allowed to
18:03 ThickAsThieves if not constrained
18:03 KLYE Alright MP. I will see what I can do. It seems that the FUDsters have started attacking my thread. I will see if I can summon some girls over for your photo shoot. In the mean time I must go troll hunting.
18:04 KLYE I appreciate the summon.
18:04 mircea_popescu KLYE dun worry about them lol
18:04 mircea_popescu their effect is usually +ev.
18:04 ThickAsThieves this topic (and more i wish to bring up) is very interesting to me, so I apologize if it's boggong the channel
18:04 ThickAsThieves bogging*
18:04 mircea_popescu eh fuck the log readers, what do we care.
18:04 mircea_popescu :D
18:05 ThickAsThieves do you intend to have "hats" for sale?
18:05 mircea_popescu sure.
18:05 ThickAsThieves and thus a more segmented relationship with designers as businesses
18:05 mircea_popescu the whole thing.
18:05 ThickAsThieves well that got me thinking,
18:06 mircea_popescu crossover is where it's at.
18:06 ThickAsThieves so u can customize my hero, why not town music, HUD, mayve even environments
18:06 mircea_popescu bitcoin is a fucking game currency trying to spill over into irl.
18:06 mircea_popescu why stop there.
18:06 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i don't see why niot. the client is open source anyway.
18:06 fluffypony KLYE: meh, ignore the trolls. WRT "FastLoans4You" I think you need to make it clear that you haven't claimed to meet regulatory compliance with Canadian law.
18:07 BingoBoingo fluffypony: FastLoans for you registered yesterday.
18:07 ThickAsThieves if client is open source, then i could just hack in my own HUDs and music? or is it to be compiled in such a way to make that impractical for most?
18:07 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i imagine you should be able to. it may be complicated but i don't think so. it's defionitely not deliberately obfuscated.
18:08 ThickAsThieves hrm
18:08 ThickAsThieves this is not a problem you think?
18:08 mircea_popescu prolly someone will figure it out first, then write a guide,
18:08 mircea_popescu like anything else foss.
18:08 mircea_popescu why would it be a problem ?
18:08 ThickAsThieves well you lose all walls for your garden and throw it into the middle of the highway
18:08 mircea_popescu so ?
18:08 mircea_popescu i don't believe in forcing people.
18:09 ThickAsThieves a concept i generally agree with as well
18:09 fluffypony BingoBoingo: sure, so I think him putting a picture up of KLYE and bringing up the homeless/begging thing is ridiculous, but I think it's worth his while speaking to the regulatory issue raised - you're either claiming compliance or you're outrightly stating defiance
18:09 ThickAsThieves however, this is a business, so i'm trying to sort it out
18:09 fluffypony either is acceptable
18:09 mircea_popescu fluffypony you gotta comply with some regulations to camwhore now !?
18:09 ThickAsThieves your market woudl have competition with outside markets
18:09 ThickAsThieves thereby removing stability
18:09 fluffypony mircea_popescu: the regulations were wrt the IPO
18:10 mircea_popescu a
18:10 fluffypony https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=587618.msg6519384#msg6519384
18:10 ThickAsThieves the whole dedicated community of players to consume designs thing
18:10 ozbot Klyemax Studios IPO (revised)
18:10 mircea_popescu it's bitcoin, there's no regulation.
18:10 fluffypony what's really funny is in South Africa we also have to have a prospectus if we want to make shares publicly available
18:10 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves you lost me.
18:10 fluffypony but there's no requirement to register it
18:10 fluffypony we just have to make the prospectus available
18:10 fluffypony which is a lol
18:11 BingoBoingo I'm wondering who FastLoans4you is an alt of.
18:11 ThickAsThieves well i can make TATlora.io and get my own designers and pay them a better cut than you
18:11 Duffer1 BB reads a lot like minerpart
18:11 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves yeah, sure.
18:12 fluffypony Duffer1: BB?
18:12 ThickAsThieves so while this may be good as an excercise in competition,
18:12 ThickAsThieves it's possibly bad in that this is a situation you could control if you chose to
18:12 Duffer1 fluffypony bingoboingo
18:12 fluffypony oh lol
18:12 Duffer1 :P
18:12 ThickAsThieves thereby making your own company dominant
18:12 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves this sort of control is illusory.
18:12 ThickAsThieves and mor eprofitable
18:12 ThickAsThieves dota 2 has it
18:13 mircea_popescu so it thinks
18:13 ThickAsThieves there's no mentionable outside market
18:13 fluffypony I don't think BingoBoingo is minerpart, BingoBoingo is too rational
18:13 ThickAsThieves for dota skins
18:13 mircea_popescu yet.
18:13 ThickAsThieves some hacks try, but mostly fall flat
18:13 ThickAsThieves if not entirely
18:13 mircea_popescu there won't be a market for dota, eventually.
18:13 ThickAsThieves there wont be a market for eulora eventually
18:13 mircea_popescu now that i doubt.
18:14 Duffer1 fluffypony i agree, i used "BB" instead of bingoboingo to respond to him, i should have said: Bingoboingo, i believe Loans is Minerpart
18:14 ThickAsThieves a transcendant game is not something i have much confidence in
18:14 mircea_popescu see, the less control a thing attempts to project, the more difficult to kill it gets.
18:14 ThickAsThieves people have tastes abnd like to migrate around
18:14 mircea_popescu sure.
18:14 fluffypony oh Duffer1, makes more sense
18:14 Duffer1 :)
18:14 fluffypony that's entirely possible
18:15 ThickAsThieves i mean what, we have WoW and Final Fantasy, maybe GTA, as long term successes
18:15 ThickAsThieves all totally closed
18:15 ThickAsThieves and all dying but GTA
18:15 ThickAsThieves though i suspect this last one was the peak
18:16 mircea_popescu anyway, to come back to some track. i don't believe in forcing people to pay, my idea of peddling games is not modeled on peddling heroin.
18:16 mircea_popescu the blizzard bleed the suckers model is meh.
18:16 ThickAsThieves sure
18:17 ThickAsThieves but what is it then
18:17 ThickAsThieves entertainment, no?
18:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 30 @ 0.00431 = 0.1293 BTC [+]
18:17 BingoBoingo !up KLYE
18:17 assbot Insufficient rights, BingoBoingo, !up yourself on PM first.
18:17 mircea_popescu well yes.
18:17 BingoBoingo !up KLYE
18:17 assbot Voicing KLYE for 30 minutes.
18:18 KLYE Did my last message go through
18:18 ThickAsThieves entertainment is still a consumable of sorts isnt it?
18:18 mircea_popescu sure.
18:18 BingoBoingo KLYE: No idea, what was it?
18:18 mircea_popescu anyway, my entire point is that your "well you could squeeze the balls harder, get more $$$" is not actyually a valid argument.
18:19 ThickAsThieves but that wasntg my point
18:19 mircea_popescu so thgen we';re talking at cross purpoise.
18:19 KLYE BTC isn't considered currency in Canada as far as I know, It's considered a grey area. And until phase two when the Klyemax IPO hits an exchange I do not think we have to worry about the MSC.
18:19 ThickAsThieves my point was the balls are gonna get pumped
18:19 ThickAsThieves and that you have control over how much profit you share
18:19 KLYE And by that time we will have proven the studio profitable and have solid revenue streams.
18:19 ThickAsThieves to some degree at least
18:19 mircea_popescu that control is illusory.
18:20 cazalla KLYE: mfc fo' life
18:20 ThickAsThieves well i would love to be wrong
18:20 KLYE MFC is going to be obsolete once klyemax launches
18:20 ThickAsThieves it's entirely possible your model works fine, despite no other game adopting it
18:20 ThickAsThieves or succeeding at doing so
18:21 ThickAsThieves that i know of at least
18:21 KLYE I'll piggyback on them until my serverside and web clients are done.. After that the plan is to smash them. :D
18:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07698998 = 0.154 BTC [+]
18:22 fluffypony KLYE: I'm South African, so I can't comment on Canadian regulation, but I think it's important to make those points clear in your reply to FastLoans4You
18:22 fluffypony because pretend-compliance didn't stop anyone from losing money to Neo&Scamee
18:23 ThickAsThieves are there any open-sourced games with profitable thriving economies?
18:23 BingoBoingo Bitcoin?
18:23 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves not afaik
18:23 mircea_popescu open source can't traditionalyl afford to pay financier fat cats to look at the stuff
18:24 BingoBoingo Bitcoin is totally open source and a game.
18:24 ThickAsThieves indeed, but doesn the chicken come before the egg in that regard?
18:25 ThickAsThieves as in, they dont get financed because they dont make money
18:25 pankkake unless anyone can run its own server/world, the game isn't really open source
18:25 pankkake google isn't open source because chrome is
18:25 cazalla KLYE: if i wanted to get into porn, i'd skip cams and produce content along the lines of insex, clearly a demand but payment processor issues fucked it, no issues there with bitcoin
18:25 mircea_popescu pankkake omg you put the k in otaku
18:25 ThickAsThieves last i checked, you can host WoW servers
18:25 fluffypony ThickAsThieves: I guess PlaneShift is about the biggest
18:25 mircea_popescu cazalla but let the guy run his onw thing lol
18:25 pankkake why?
18:26 mircea_popescu pankkake wtf everyone run his own universe, 4ever alone
18:26 KLYE Go for making just straight up videos?
18:26 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo well yeah but i think he meant besides that
18:26 pankkake I mean run a competing universe, the point wasn't being alone
18:26 BingoBoingo Ah, I see.
18:27 ThickAsThieves some indie WoW servers did pretty well
18:27 mircea_popescu pankkake but if everyone does then... everyone has to be alone neh
18:27 fluffypony ThickAsThieves: http://sourceforge.net/projects/planeshift/
18:27 BingoBoingo pankkake: You mean like what altcoins are. People dicking around on their own chains?
18:27 mircea_popescu i thot he hated altcoins
18:27 ThickAsThieves but ultimately people want the real deal
18:27 pankkake bitcoin great because it is altcoinable
18:27 pankkake +is
18:27 ThickAsThieves as ironic as it sounds
18:27 pankkake but it doesn't mean you have to altcoin it
18:27 cazalla KLYE: watch a documentary named "Graphic Sexual Horror", it might give you some ideas
18:28 mircea_popescu pankkake so you hate altcoins or just the altcoin makers ?
18:28 pankkake same reason you don't run your own linux distribution. you could… but WHY
18:28 KLYE Thank you for the advice Cazalla. :D
18:28 fluffypony pankkake: because Fluffynix is a big deal, just like FluffyCoin is
18:28 fluffypony :--P
18:28 ThickAsThieves do people play Planeshift tho? more importantly who makes money around it?
18:29 mircea_popescu nobody.
18:29 fluffypony ThickAsThieves: look, it's been around for 12 years, so part of the PS community is historical
18:29 fluffypony but yeah, they have a strong followin
18:29 fluffypony *following
18:29 mircea_popescu i dun think it was ever more than a few dozen people on
18:29 pankkake more to the point, the selling point of an online game is usually world access, not binary client access
18:30 mircea_popescu pankkake blizzard notably tried to do both
18:30 pankkake yeah, that made me lol. I always thought the game was free, and you had to subscribe
18:30 mircea_popescu worked ok ion the late 90s early 00s
18:30 ThickAsThieves when it comes to multiplayer, i find access to people to play with being very high on my list
18:31 ThickAsThieves i can get interested independently
18:31 ThickAsThieves but i'll only stay of there's a context of humans to share the experience
18:31 ThickAsThieves if*
18:31 ThickAsThieves if i hadnt made any dota friends, i'd have quit long ago
18:31 mircea_popescu mmorpgs, ultimate pimpin'.
18:32 mircea_popescu come let me sell you your wife's time.
18:32 ThickAsThieves hehe
18:32 ThickAsThieves i play after she's asleep mostly
18:32 mircea_popescu you'll be happy if i sell her to a dozen other dudes, too,
18:32 mircea_popescu because thus you can raid
18:34 mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/uYWFh6l.jpg
18:36 mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/jgqxkW8.jpg << why is that guy shown twice, once dressed in wallpaper ?
18:38 ThickAsThieves hitler
18:38 mircea_popescu cgcardona: no more monopoly money?! << it changes each quarter
18:38 mircea_popescu except in april i forgot, so did it nao
18:38 cgcardona i see
18:39 mircea_popescu and the guy who did the drawing... one second
18:39 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: you will be the first to try these cookies. r&d is refining the recipe
18:39 thestringpuller i assume yoy have high standards for cookies
18:41 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2010/iepurasule-ai-basca/
18:41 ozbot Iepurasule, ai basca ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
18:41 mircea_popescu guy's site is linked in there. marius lupu.
18:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0322999 = 0.323 BTC [+]
18:41 mircea_popescu thestringpuller sure. cookies!
18:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03399113 = 0.3399 BTC [+]
18:44 mircea_popescu bitcoinpete: "The end result is the first of its kind: << these fucktards. they really imagine that if you put a "delicious" label on canned shit it'll be a delicious can of shit.
18:45 mircea_popescu wait, someone's name is Roya Mahboob ?
18:45 mircea_popescu this is almost better than mr beaglehole.
18:46 mircea_popescu kakobrekla should totally marry roya mahboob
18:47 mircea_popescu he could me matic mahboob
18:47 kakobrekla and have a son madick
18:48 assbot Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. (error)
18:48 mircea_popescu !b 5
18:48 mircea_popescu ERROAR!
18:48 mircea_popescu the horroar
18:48 kakobrekla meh dpaste..
18:48 kakobrekla the quote still made it to the queue
18:49 mircea_popescu bitcoinpete: this week's couple has saved $2.7M and the post decided that this was only 2/5 stars of readiness << this is fucking nonsense, srsly.
18:49 mircea_popescu if almost 3 mil isn't enough...
18:51 mircea_popescu fluffypony " The problem is that the cost of transacting makes it impossible for people outside of that country to get involved." << that's in no way the poroblem. i wouldn't micrlodend in fucklandia under any circumstances.
18:52 mircea_popescu the reason the microlending works, in shitholecreek, detroit or bungagunga, kneya is that the lender also holds political power
18:52 mircea_popescu and you can't stiff him.
18:55 mircea_popescu benkay: just because someone's doing it doesn't mean to not do it. <<< it does. except it has to be someone, and it that case it wasn't someone, just no-one.
18:59 mircea_popescu fluffypony: kakobrekla: so they're going to lend legitimacy to all the scammy DACs << they have to be hurt to learn. not in any sense new.
19:00 mircea_popescu !up cryptoflood
19:00 assbot Voicing cryptoflood for 30 minutes.
19:00 benkay mircea_popescu: i tend to assume that anyone who's not killing their niche is leaving market share on the floor. perhaps an unseasoned approach.
19:01 mircea_popescu what i meant was, someone doing it would be a reason not to do it. the problem there is that nobody is doing it
19:01 mircea_popescu or w/e, they doing it are not somebody.
19:04 benkay or there's another thing to be done.
19:04 mircea_popescu that too
19:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 363 @ 0.00197598 = 0.7173 BTC [-] {9}
19:08 benkay ;;later tell jurov is the pythonic approach to debugging twisted apps seriously to just log everything that happens and tail that during development?
19:08 gribble The operation succeeded.
19:10 mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/677/bitcoin-network-difficulty-14bn-on-bastille-day/ how can this be so heavy on yes ?
19:10 ozbot BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day
19:10 mircea_popescu .d
19:10 ozbot 8.001 billion | Next Diff in 1395 blocks | Estimated Change: 7.4652% in 8d 22h 49m 35s
19:10 mircea_popescu that's maybe 5 periods.
19:11 mircea_popescu 12% each time.
19:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 141 @ 0.00295125 = 0.4161 BTC [+] {4}
19:14 mircea_popescu !up KLYE
19:14 assbot Voicing KLYE for 30 minutes.
19:15 KLYE Thanks for voice MP
19:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.47643 = 4.7643 BTC [-] {2}
19:16 KLYE I've been asked to join some people at a wedding social. So I think I might take the night off and go and do that.. Might get lucky and find some nice potential talent.
19:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 214 @ 0.00453981 = 0.9715 BTC [+] {3}
19:17 KLYE I sent out some text MP for the picture you requested. And got blown off by most of the talent as they are busy getting drunk or banged by someone it seems. One wanted to come over but that is hardly what you asked. :/
19:18 KLYE I have dug up some screenies that one of our viewers managed to snap from the first show. This talent is away at field school for the next week or so and isn't one of the prettiest by any means.. great tits and ass on her though. http://imgur.com/a/SVIg8
19:18 KLYE NSFQW
19:18 KLYE NSFW*
19:21 BingoBoingo Damn, I though you really wanted to tell us Not Safe Fucking Quit Work
19:23 KLYE LOL
19:23 KLYE Well, twas bare back
19:23 KLYE Sadly she wouldn't let me sodomize her on cam.. Even whores have morals I've learned
19:27 BingoBoingo There's probably Trilema articles to help with that.
19:39 Naphex mircea_popescu:i want to have a services market, as integral part of bitcoin. <<< one would be very nice
19:39 Naphex to do it in mp's style i'd have gpg contracts, and wot-like rating
19:41 Naphex escrow and some sort of mediation / dispute resolution
19:41 Naphex then you can host whatever services
19:41 mircea_popescu myeah
19:41 Naphex better rating to rapidly asses performance
19:43 Naphex but for example, for software development
19:43 Naphex would users bid on projects to win them, or project lists?
19:43 Naphex or just any way for users to aggree on contracts w/ dispute reso after
19:48 mircea_popescu well that's where it gets complicated.
19:50 mircea_popescu prolly the best way to work it is to have buyers specify contracts and providers accept them
19:51 Naphex well you could do some hippy stuff, and stack it in a form of relationship.
19:52 BingoBoingo !up KLYE
19:52 assbot Voicing KLYE for 30 minutes.
19:52 Naphex where a buyer specifies specs, providers can start a relation and do proposal and try too reach agreement
19:52 KLYE Thanks BB
19:52 Naphex then they can draw up a contract, or use simple preset drafts
19:53 KLYE Anyone know of a place online that does nice business cards for BTC?
19:53 KLYE I think it would be in the ventures best interest to have some made up to be given to potential clients instead of me giving out my personal cell number.
19:57 mircea_popescu Naphex yea.
19:57 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 100 @ 0.00499977 = 0.5 BTC [+]
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20:02 BingoBoingo KLYE: Maybe talk to nubbins'
20:02 KLYE Thanks BB.
20:07 BingoBoingo KLYE: Given your industry I'm not sure how to take you abreviating my name that way...
20:08 KLYE hahaah. Purely sexual of course.
20:08 KLYE ;)
20:09 KLYE Alright. I am off for a bit. Thanks for the invite to talk MP. I will be in touch. I'll also see if I can get you some "I love PM" pics for your collection
20:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3919 @ 0.00096577 = 3.7849 BTC [-] {2}
20:12 mircea_popescu that's ok, i got plenty of those.
20:17 Naphex Q:
20:17 Naphex can't he just pay cam girls
20:17 Naphex to have I love MP:)
20:17 Naphex and show that?:p
20:18 mircea_popescu obv.
20:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 21 @ 0.00499977 = 0.105 BTC [+]
20:34 Naphex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqlvk51uS1M#t=14146
20:34 ozbot MIT Bitcoin Expo 2014 - YouTube
20:35 benkay ;;later tell princessnell stop making sense
20:35 gribble The operation succeeded.
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21:33 kakobrekla !jd mpif
21:33 assbot Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.83390546 BTC; -0.04004434 BTC (-0.0244%) since last check 11h 35m 15s ago.
21:33 kakobrekla this thing is more volatile than i though
21:34 kakobrekla t
21:34 mircea_popescu it is pretty volatile yea
21:34 mircea_popescu tbh if it manages to make a couple of percents in a month i'll be happy.
21:35 kakobrekla to cover for panacea losses yea
21:38 mircea_popescu ima stab you in the tit.
21:43 kakobrekla its not like they are made of soap
21:43 kakobrekla right?
21:43 mircea_popescu lol
21:45 mircea_popescu http://www.rstreet.org/2014/05/01/r-street-looking-for-a-director-of-its-governance-project/
21:45 mircea_popescu if anyone's bored.
21:57 kakobrekla https://threatpost.com/researchers-say-accelerometers-are-perfect-for-pervasive-tracking/105886
21:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130 @ 0.0009685 = 0.1259 BTC [-]
22:07 mircea_popescu yeah but i mean... you have to accelerate the things
22:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9270 @ 0.0009685 = 8.978 BTC [-]
22:08 mircea_popescu i guess it probably works just by moving around
22:16 asciilifeform re: solid state gyro fingerprinting - betcha this also works with satanic rngs.
22:16 asciilifeform find characteristic biases
22:19 mircea_popescu maybe so
22:21 asciilifeform kgb typewriter fingerprints, the famous yellow dots in colour laser printer, this crap - 'history does not repeat, but it rhymes.'
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22:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 11 @ 0.07836389 = 0.862 BTC [-] {4}
22:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00097002 = 7.2752 BTC [+]
22:32 benkay ;;seen jurov
22:32 gribble jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 13 hours, 51 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <jurov> [13:57] <mircea_popescu> jurov on it << dun see it
22:32 asciilifeform there was a paper ages ago, on device fingerprinting through acoustic artifacts (buzz speaker, see what microphone picks up)
22:32 asciilifeform anyone who gives a damn can dig it up.
22:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6874 @ 0.00097052 = 6.6714 BTC [+] {2}
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23:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6189 @ 0.00096878 = 5.9958 BTC [-]
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23:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16433 @ 0.0009707 = 15.9515 BTC [+] {2}
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23:51 cazalla anyone played archeage?
23:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC [+]
23:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.000969 = 4.1667 BTC [-]
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