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00:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00099701 = 20.339 BTC [-] {3}
00:14 asciilifeform http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/04/business-as-usual.html
00:14 ozbot ClubOrlov: Business as usual
00:17 asciilifeform 'With small businesses and private enterprise made illegal, most people will be forced to resort to illegal activities, under the watchful eye of the NSA. But since putting even more people in jail will be prohibitively expensive, a new, streamlined process of dispensing justice will be put into place: the NSA and the Justice Department will link computer systems, and verdicts of fraud and suspended sentences
00:17 asciilifeform will be issued by a computer program, in absentia. In keeping with current practice, both the charge and the evidence will be kept secret. The newly minted felons will be dropped from voter rolls, their passports cancelled, their bank accounts confiscated, and their employment (if any) terminated. They will receive form letters informing them of their sentence but most of them will be unable to read it because
00:17 asciilifeform functional illiteracy rates will go from the current 40% to 80-90%.'
00:17 asciilifeform pure gold.
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00:35 decimation ascii - secret electronic evidence is a perfect fit for the US confession-based legal system
00:36 asciilifeform decimation: 'n strikes' warez users rule, precedent.
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00:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34350 @ 0.00100076 = 34.3761 BTC [+] {2}
00:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00100324 = 4.3139 BTC [+]
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01:49 kakobrekla https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560733.0;topicseen
01:49 ozbot I am going to build a true random number generator ...
01:49 kakobrekla artifexd , asciilifeform
01:52 kakobrekla a well i might have jumped the gun, nothing particularly interesting except for the fact of recognizing the problem.
01:54 artifexd I've learned that the raspberry pi has a hardware rng. My current plan is to build use that. I'll Von Neumann it if necessary. Regardless, as soon as I get one, I'll use the tools asciilifeform recommended to measure the entropy.
01:55 asciilifeform artifexd: see if you can learn why the raspi rng is unsuitable for cryptography.
01:55 asciilifeform (hint: same reason as intel's)
01:55 artifexd Backdoored?
01:56 kakobrekla i wonder what the numbers will show.
01:56 asciilifeform the numbers will show... beautiful entropy
01:56 asciilifeform just as the digits of pi, if run through 'diehard', would.
01:56 asciilifeform no statistical test will reveal a malicious rng
01:57 asciilifeform unless the malefactor is dumb as a brick
01:57 kakobrekla how do you eval such result correctly then
01:57 asciilifeform exercise: encipher a consecutive stream of nulls, with aes, using whatever you want as init vector
01:57 asciilifeform run the result through 'diehard'
01:58 asciilifeform you'll get 'better' stats than any genuine rng.
01:58 asciilifeform kakobrekla: the statistical tests are for determining sources of 'natural' bias, not enemy action.
01:58 asciilifeform e.g. a bit in a register that's stuck on
01:59 asciilifeform or, when testing prng, any periodicity in the output
01:59 asciilifeform this and related topics have been beaten to death elsewhere.
01:59 kakobrekla and the diehard is exempt from this?
01:59 asciilifeform 'diehard' is just a collection of statistical tests
02:00 asciilifeform there is no mathematical test for 'evil'
02:00 asciilifeform i cannot emphasize this enough
02:00 kakobrekla so you are saying diehard will show a nice numbers on rpi as well
02:00 asciilifeform it will!
02:00 asciilifeform and on the digits of pi
02:00 asciilifeform and 'e'
02:00 kakobrekla thats what im asking.
02:00 asciilifeform it will show beautiful numbers
02:01 asciilifeform but rpi is still unsuitable for cryptography
02:01 kakobrekla so how do you know, for the particular case of rpi, that it is indeed fucked?
02:01 asciilifeform because you cannot, except at great expense, determine what is inside.
02:01 artifexd Hence your recommendation to build my own?
02:01 kakobrekla im not using it myself but i am curious
02:01 asciilifeform correct
02:02 asciilifeform i cannot in good conscience recommend anything that is presently available for sale
02:02 asciilifeform (this will change soon)
02:02 asciilifeform building rng is not hard, and is educational
02:03 kakobrekla so as of now there is no direct evidence "look here rpi is fucked" just a general concern over all products on the shelfs
02:03 asciilifeform how do you know ... that it is indeed fucked << all crypto hardware, especially of the single-chip variety, is to be thought of as 'guilty until proven innocent'
02:04 kakobrekla but it is (near?) impossible to prove its good
02:04 kakobrekla you might just not see the bug
02:04 asciilifeform it is indeed impossible to prove, with mathematical rigour, damn near anything
02:04 kakobrekla :D
02:05 asciilifeform we don't even know (to this standard of proof) if a pill against rsa requires factoring
02:05 * asciilifeform has to sleep
02:05 kakobrekla good night
02:05 artifexd Thanks for your expertise!
02:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9132 @ 0.00099642 = 9.0993 BTC [-]
02:19 dub_ ;;later tell nubbins` whats a trusted canukistani buttcoin shop? hashtag lazyweb
02:19 gribble The operation succeeded.
02:20 nubbins` i know almost all of those words
02:21 nubbins` you trying to exchange btc for cad?
02:21 dub cad->btc yes
02:21 dub not me, friend
02:23 nubbins` cavirtex changed their verification rules recently, can't recall the details
02:24 nubbins` they're the only place i've used in the past, but honestly i don't feel too great about them these days
02:24 nubbins` vault of satoshi is another, but i think lower volume and they trade in doge, so...
02:25 dub damn, if you think of somewhere gribble me, gotta go catch a boat, not sure when ill be back on-grid
02:26 nubbins` no sweat. wish i could give ya better advice
02:27 nubbins` meantime, it's somehow 4am, so i'm off
02:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16140 @ 0.00099614 = 16.0777 BTC [-] {2}
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03:01 twizt lol
03:01 twizt everyday same shyt
03:01 twizt mjr2
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03:18 punkman http://heartbleed.com/
03:18 ozbot Heartbleed Bug
03:19 punkman fucking openssl
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03:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00099476 = 8.4057 BTC [-] {2}
03:55 bounce hmm... wonder how those bugs ended up in openssl and gnutls.
03:56 bounce asciilifeform: I forgot who mentioned to hook a 10k resistor to a mike in, turn up the gain, and feed that to the entropy pool. how suitable an entropy source is that in your opinion?
03:58 kakobrekla its crappy unless you are fucking 5 hookers at same time to gather the noise
03:59 kakobrekla was discussed before.
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04:43 keonne ThickAsThieves: missed opportunity to call it scAMEX
04:43 keonne i lold
04:48 keonne mircea_popescue: I actually havent met Dan Held in person, and my intel is lacking in the hot or not space
04:48 keonne He has a very deep and masculine voice though.
04:50 keonne omg if I see mpoe-pr at the conf, I so am going to get her autograph and ask hope she emasculates me
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05:12 jurov i *am* using rpi as a wallet (with electrum), however:
05:12 jurov sd card is encrypted and i always use keyboard connected directly to rpi for passphrase
05:13 jurov i don't connect it to switch, but with patch cable directly to notebook
05:21 keonne ;;gpg info keonne
05:21 gribble User 'keonne', with keyid 7EECABD58314C40C, fingerprint 1EECFCBA5A9A5470B2149FA37EECABD58314C40C, and bitcoin address None, registered on Tue Apr 8 05:18:18 2014, last authed on Tue Apr 8 05:18:18 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=keonne . Currently authenticated from hostmask keonne!~abdul@snugglenets.com .
05:25 kakobrekla jurov over ethernet?
05:34 Guest45980 hey guys, do you know a chart of the hashpower of the whole altcoin space?
05:34 Guest45980 sum of all hashpowers of all altcoins
05:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00099417 = 19.9828 BTC [-]
05:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2412 @ 0.00099531 = 2.4007 BTC [+]
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06:04 jurov dexX7: there is much property leftovers from cold war
06:04 dexX7 ah
06:04 jurov and it is certainly continuously maintained
06:05 jurov the picture looks like koenigswarte hill here near bratislava
06:07 jurov yea it definitely is. the photo is made from tourist lookout tower next to the installation
06:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4298 @ 0.00099531 = 4.2778 BTC [+]
06:30 keonne mircea_popescu: put in a good word for me
06:30 mircea_popescu sec writing brb
06:30 keonne np
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06:55 jurov CoinBr going under maintenance, brb in couple hours
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07:34 bitesak ;;ticker
07:34 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 449.0, Best ask: 450.95, Bid-ask spread: 1.95000, Last trade: 450.95, 24 hour volume: 8774.11284429, 24 hour low: 446.0, 24 hour high: 461.17, 24 hour vwap: 452.12891933
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07:50 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/gotta-love-that-negro-speak/
07:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9750 @ 0.00099756 = 9.7262 BTC [+]
08:06 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves obviously it's just a draft, i wouldn't expect to be filmed verbatim.
08:07 mircea_popescu trilema looks for two things to find bots : whether you've actually loaded the page you're commenting on (which can throw it for a loop if the page you load gets expired while you try to comment, but this is indeed rare) and whether youve loaded it very recently (like a few seconds sort of recently).
08:09 mircea_popescu decimation:
08:09 mircea_popescu the real problem is that it makes it impossible to differentiate talented managers of resources from fools who happen to be friends with the bezzle-kings << HARDLY :)
08:09 mircea_popescu this is like saying it's impossible to use the wot
08:09 mircea_popescu in fact, exactly the same problem.
08:10 mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 i imagined that's what you probably meant, but i discarded it because it made 0 sense. you don't care what the channel is like, you encrypt the message not the conduit.
08:10 mircea_popescu i can somehow send you email perfectly safely by pastebining it. do the same, alter the firmware to use gpg signed packets.
08:10 mircea_popescu you don't need new hardware for this in any snese.
08:12 punkman you care what the channel is like, or it might just offer up DMA access to the other end
08:13 mircea_popescu that's not the channel :)
08:14 mircea_popescu but anyway, if the thing actually offers dma to all comers, idun see why you'd buy one
08:14 mircea_popescu just you know, redirect as many as you need.
08:16 jurov kakobrekla yes. if someone is in my machine *and* knows what i'm doing on the ethernet port, i'm having bigger problem that some warm wallet
08:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform orlov definitely has a point there. bnw style stratification is a definite future available.
08:17 mircea_popescu kakobrekla maybe point out to him that cardano will likely beat him to market and it'll be cheaper to just wait ?
08:17 mircea_popescu o wait, you're banned, i got no pr and gerald hasn't yet enough of a clue to be here.
08:17 mircea_popescu i guess he gets to waste some more resources.
08:18 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: RE: Negro speak -> The sleeping bag luffa reference most likely refers to the sponges, as most american sleeping bags have cheap synthetic interiors and fillings
08:18 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo yes, but does it feel like the warm comforting feminine touch of the mother, or of the wife ?
08:19 mircea_popescu kakobrekla: so as of now there is no direct evidence "look here rpi is fucked" just a general concern over all products on the shelfs << all PROPRIETARY, closed products.
08:19 mircea_popescu like, you know, i'll never eat something i'm not allowed to look at.
08:20 mircea_popescu it can be chocolate truffles for all i care.
08:20 jurov anything else on the shelf contains magnutide more close code than rpi
08:20 jurov *magnitude
08:20 mircea_popescu a not is enough.
08:21 mircea_popescu i never heard of any practical classification of viruses by... size. what diff does it make, 2kb.
08:21 ThickAsThieves http://www.bbc.com/news/health-26920521#sa-ns_mchannel=rss&ns_source=PublicRSS20-sa
08:21 ozbot BBC News - Paralysed men move again with spinal stimulation
08:21 jurov so what. imma gonna fucked someday one way or other
08:22 jurov the openssl shit today... to be 100% sure one'd need to rebuild everything
08:22 dexX7 the guys in -dev said updating openssl only is fine
08:23 mircea_popescu jurov wanna hear something funny ? i just paid the largest bonus today, of my entire history in bussiness
08:23 mircea_popescu do you know to whom ? to the guy who nixed upgrade from 10.04 on all my ubuntu systems, because, he said, "meh".
08:23 mircea_popescu guess who never run any broken openssh. possibly the.only.one.on.the.internet.
08:25 jurov that' s just a luck
08:25 mircea_popescu yeah, the first time people do this sort of shit i call it luck.
08:26 mircea_popescu by the fifth or so the bonuses start coming out.
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08:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.0009984 = 15.1757 BTC [+] {2}
08:49 mircea_popescu bounce: hmm... wonder how those bugs ended up in openssl and gnutls. << you needn't wonder. examine the matter plainly : for no appreciable reason, the usg muppets posing as "core devs" started work to meld pki into bitcoin protocol.
08:49 mircea_popescu this was no coincidence, this has been a) deliberately inserted and b) widely and systematically exploited.
08:50 mircea_popescu everyone involved is going to his grave with his tail attached.
08:52 mircea_popescu s/his/this.
09:04 truffles Apocalyptic i didnt think i gave a clear picture of how things went down so ill paste relevant lines
09:05 truffles hmm many lines were exchanged heh
09:06 keonne I think there are two K's in grokking mircea_popescu
09:07 keonne also very glad im lazy and never update my shit, take your rolling releases and stuff them.
09:07 mircea_popescu english has double k's ? what is this, wannabe-italian ?
09:07 keonne definetely luck, and not smarts in my case.
09:07 keonne im pretty sure Heinlein made up the word
09:08 keonne back to reading brb
09:08 mircea_popescu good for him but i ain't double k'ing
09:09 mircea_popescu well unless it's moar dakka or something
09:09 keonne fair enough, we all have principles we need to live by - i respect that
09:10 truffles Apocalyptic i'll copy paste when ure around
09:11 mircea_popescu http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RainbowPimpGear
09:11 ozbot Main/Rainbow Pimp Gear - Television Tropes & Idioms
09:11 mircea_popescu lmao
09:14 dexX7 do you have any info about real cases were gpg contracts and similar were binding in a legal matter?
09:15 keonne lol
09:16 mircea_popescu dexX7 pgp per se no, but akc is commonly used.
09:16 punkman dexX7: a contract is a contract, it doesn't matter what kind of paper you use, or how you scribble your signature
09:17 mircea_popescu that aside, yes, the court is not at liberty to disconsider it anyway.
09:17 mircea_popescu ie what punkman said.
09:17 dexX7 akc?
09:17 mircea_popescu asymmetric key criptography
09:18 dexX7 ah
09:19 dexX7 punkman: but a contract is worthless, if it could be easily forged
09:21 mircea_popescu that's repudiation, which is a different matter
09:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33682 @ 0.00099589 = 33.5436 BTC [-] {2}
09:21 mircea_popescu (ie, to say "i did sign this but it should not bind me because it's a gpg contract" and to say "i never signed this" are different stands in court)
09:25 keonne The point is valid, everyone who’s never tried it before imagines sex in the bushes is a great idea. I know better.
09:25 keonne so true
09:26 mircea_popescu keonne and consider i have the benefit of slaves.
09:26 punkman it's not that bad
09:26 punkman sand is worse
09:26 mircea_popescu "wanna get on your back so as to insulate me from all this shit ? " "sure!"
09:27 mircea_popescu punkman possibly a normal average bath tub is the worst.
09:27 mircea_popescu seawater's pretty bad too.
09:27 keonne yes i lost my virginity on a beach
09:27 keonne besides sand in undesirable locations, pretty sure we were being watched by those who made the beach their home.
09:27 truffles ewww sand in privates
09:28 punkman seawater is weird yeah, screws with the lubrication
09:28 keonne in fact, I know were were being watched, because three came out of the dunes to watch.
09:28 keonne water in general screws with the lubrication
09:28 keonne plus coming in any kind of water is asking for trouble
09:29 truffles not to mention all the parasites that could be in it
09:29 keonne *that are in it
09:29 truffles but for some ppl whats one more disease hehe
09:29 mircea_popescu there's no cunt parasite
09:29 mircea_popescu tho granted that'd be some scary shit.
09:29 keonne the cunt I was with then was a parasite
09:30 mircea_popescu now that's a different story :D
09:30 keonne i really should not be using my real name on here...lol
09:30 truffles thats pretty unique
09:30 punkman I've spotted a nice glass elevaror that's begging for it, only goes 5 floors up though
09:31 punkman *elevator
09:31 truffles to buy or ???
09:31 punkman to fuck in
09:31 keonne ok well i finished the waterfall of an article
09:31 truffles solo?
09:31 keonne now to swim through the river of footnotes
09:34 truffles i just thought its interesting what the house looks like if its 5 floors!
09:36 keonne so is there like a class of people here who do nothing but connect and disconnect all day and never chat? or am I missing something.
09:37 truffles lol
09:37 truffles chat rooms are a new concept to some
09:37 ThickAsThieves mjr1 probly uses an android app or something that wakes everytime he checks his phone
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09:38 keonne that makes sense ThickAsThieves i already ignored him though
09:38 truffles lol
09:38 truffles he's an interesting fellow
09:38 keonne Does he contribute to chat? I dont want to miss anything
09:38 keonne ah ok
09:38 truffles creative mind imo
09:38 ThickAsThieves well if it's the normal mjr, he pops in every couple mos
09:39 keonne I unignored, perhaps I was a bit too hasty, and the android explination makes sense
09:39 truffles he peaked at chatting last yr i guess
09:39 keonne lol
09:39 truffles ya he actually spoke a bunch before
09:39 truffles only has 2 blog posts
09:40 keonne seriously tho, learning to screen session is an important part of irc
09:40 truffles some1 should nudge him to do a 3rd
09:40 keonne god dammit my inbox is filled with heartbleed bullshit
09:40 truffles heartbleed?
09:41 keonne http://heartbleed.com/
09:41 ozbot Heartbleed Bug
09:41 keonne can I borrow your rock truffles ?
09:41 keonne i'd like to hide under it
09:41 truffles ha
09:42 ThickAsThieves give an exploit a good name and everyone pays attention
09:42 truffles im stingy
09:42 keonne they even had a logo ready
09:42 keonne lol
09:42 dexX7 + a nice landing page
09:43 keonne is it running google analytics
09:44 keonne nope, it would have been hilarious had it been
09:44 dexX7 haha yea
09:45 truffles keonne what irc client do u use?
09:47 keonne irssi
09:47 keonne well i connect to a shell, and run irssi inside a screen session
09:47 truffles i prefer mirc
09:47 truffles looks weird
09:48 mircea_popescu punkman make sure you place lookouts outside
09:48 mircea_popescu you'll want the pics
09:48 mircea_popescu keonne guy used to try and organise a ny central park bitcoin group buy thing.
09:49 keonne 5 story elevator doesnt give much time really
09:49 keonne mircea_popescu: mjr ?
09:49 mircea_popescu yea
09:49 mircea_popescu and the point of fucking is going up and down repeatedly, i thought.
09:49 keonne i already unignored him, again i rather not miss interesting chats, i just havent seen anything but connect/dissconnect
09:50 keonne oooh, that explains what im doing wrong
09:50 truffles push the emergency button when reach 5th?
09:50 MisterE hmm heartbleed is nasty
09:50 MisterE truffles: floor 5 1/2?
09:51 truffles i dont, but id watch :D
09:51 MisterE What movie was that?
09:51 truffles nooo
09:51 mircea_popescu keonne in principle ytou can ignore part/join msgs
09:51 truffles im just saying not something id do
09:51 MisterE Being Mircea Popescu? :D
09:51 MisterE Being John Malkovich I think :)
09:52 keonne i could write a script for irrsi i suppose
09:52 keonne but then mjr wins
09:52 truffles i actually think mp sex would appear boring id skip that
09:52 bounce a script to ignore joins/parts?
09:52 keonne oh wait
09:53 keonne even better
09:53 bounce /ignore * CRAP already takes care of it. not a good idea if you're chanop, but if you're not, well, this is freenode. it's full of CRAP.
09:53 keonne "/ignore -channels #chan1,#chan2,#chan3 * JOINS PARTS QUITS NICKS"
09:53 * mircea_popescu thinks keonne may be a littrle bit dyslexic :D
09:53 keonne mircea_popescu: highly likely
09:54 keonne or just careless
09:55 keonne lets see if I did that right..
09:56 keonne someone say something ?
09:57 mircea_popescu ;;echo hey keonne you broke the ircernets.
09:57 gribble hey keonne you broke the ircernets.
09:57 keonne mircea_popescu: im curious as to why you say that
09:58 mircea_popescu <keonne> someone say something ? <<
09:58 keonne my father and grandfather are dyslexic
09:58 MisterE [20:58:07] MisterD is now known as MisterE
10:02 keonne yeah i fucked somehting up
10:03 keonne mircea_popescu: no i meant the dyslexic comment lol
10:09 mike_c it feels nice to see somebody besides bitcoin getting a public whipping. thanks openssl!
10:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 39 @ 0.05286545 = 2.0618 BTC [-] {7}
10:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.6 = 3.6 BTC [-] {5}
10:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 202 @ 0.00571026 = 1.1535 BTC [+] {15}
10:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 106 @ 0.00154721 = 0.164 BTC [+] {4}
10:13 MisterE heh
10:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05400024 = 0.108 BTC [-] {2}
10:13 MisterE I'd rather it be something I dont care about like Java or Flash
10:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.05400024 = 0.432 BTC [-]
10:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6268 @ 0.00099158 = 6.2152 BTC [-]
10:21 BingoBoingo MisterE: Java and Flash lack the utility to get hit this hard
10:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.005845 = 0.1461 BTC [+]
10:22 MisterE true, even a full implosion by either woud be just another meh by now
10:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.052 = 0.104 BTC [-]
10:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.031 = 0.248 BTC [-]
10:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.03099999 = 0.434 BTC [-] {2}
10:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.05299999 = 0.318 BTC [+]
10:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05299999 = 0.106 BTC [+]
10:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05400024 = 0.216 BTC [-]
10:38 asciilifeform in other news, usa is tired of flying to orbit:
10:38 asciilifeform http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/03/us/us-russia-relations-nasa
10:38 ozbot NASA to end most activities with Russia - CNN.com
10:40 BingoBoingo To be fair the various space weapons treaties and agreements made spaceflight a much more boring prospect
10:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.05400024 = 0.432 BTC [-]
10:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11008 @ 0.00100116 = 11.0208 BTC [+] {2}
10:48 thestringpuller ;;later tell mod6 I ptfoed. If/when you get this you aren't busy, pm me.
10:49 gribble The operation succeeded.
10:49 mike_c it is pretty horrible to run this against one of your servers and watch its memory get dumped to screen.
10:49 mike_c http://pastebin.com/Ajx71rPe
10:49 ozbot [Python] heartbleed ssl test - Pastebin.com
10:49 asciilifeform remaining btc exchanges cleaned in 3, 2, 1...
10:50 danielpbarron made my trilema credit payment back and then some by betting on MPOE :D
10:50 BingoBoingo congrats danielpbarron
10:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
10:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.032099 = 0.1605 BTC [+]
10:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0515 = 0.103 BTC [-]
10:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05075 = 0.203 BTC [-] {2}
10:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.032099 = 0.321 BTC [+]
10:55 keonne java? give oracle some time, it is inevitable
10:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.032099 = 0.1284 BTC [+]
10:56 thestringpuller who needs ssl when you have gpg?
10:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.04921785 = 0.3445 BTC [-] {4}
10:58 asciilifeform re: openssl - perhaps time for repost:
10:58 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1299
10:58 ozbot Loper OS » Don’t Blame the Mice.
10:58 keonne Russia raises price on gas for Ukraine
10:58 keonne See U.S., Russia crew lift off into space
10:58 keonne Russia could invade 12 hours after order
10:58 keonne In 2011, NASA retired its space shuttle fleet, its only means of getting to and from the station.
10:58 keonne "This has been a top priority of the Obama Administration's for the past five years"
10:58 keonne how to math
10:59 keonne if top priority over the last 5 years, why retire the fleet 3 years ago
11:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.032099 = 0.321 BTC [+]
11:02 keonne wow http://www.journaldunet.com/ebusiness/commerce/patrick-oualid-oualid-monoprix-bitcoin.shtml
11:02 keonne soon to buy stinky cheese and wine for bitcoin
11:03 Mats_cd03 "FBI says Russians Out to Steal Ideas From Tech Firms"
11:03 Mats_cd03 wut
11:03 keonne monoprix is huge - if you read french i suggest reading that, that CEO knows whats going on
11:03 blackwhite hey guys
11:04 Mats_cd03 http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.journaldunet.com%2Febusiness%2Fcommerce%2Fpatrick-oualid-oualid-monoprix-bitcoin.shtml&edit-text
11:05 keonne he isnt CEO sorry, he is director of ecommerece
11:05 keonne thanks Mats_cd03
11:05 Mats_cd03 the magic of technology, i dont has to read french
11:05 keonne lol
11:07 BingoBoingo I think the most terrifying prospect I could imagine for Bitcoin would be MP moving Trilema to French... So resistant to machine translation.
11:07 keonne lol!
11:07 Mats_cd03 We do not yet understand the magnitude of the subject. Yet I am convinced that not to believe, it would be like not to believe in social networks there some time. Certainly there is no transaction in social networks, but there are relational in transactional ... and social networks contribute greatly. Do not believe the contribution of bitcoin in the
11:07 Mats_cd03 transaction, it is also a mistake.
11:08 Mats_cd03 any french speakers have a clue wat hes actually saying
11:08 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.04775 = 0.382 BTC [-] {4}
11:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.04622746 = 0.5085 BTC [-] {4}
11:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 28 @ 0.032099 = 0.8988 BTC [+]
11:09 keonne one second Mats_cd03
11:09 keonne my french isnt good, but I am currently in France with a native speaker
11:09 BingoBoingo Mats_cd03: You seem. It seems like a language where the vocabulary is statutorally restricted would be especially amenable to machine translation, but practice is different
11:10 Namworld I can speak french too.
11:12 keonne I think something along the lines of 'the french dont get it yet, they think its a thing for crooks and money launderers, but not believing in bitcoin is like not beliving in social networks a few years ago
11:13 keonne and you cannot say that they are different because social networks too deal with transactions (though of a different kind), and indeed social networks will have a big impact on bitcoin
11:13 keonne something along those lines anyway
11:13 Namworld Wait, what is this about? Not translating apparently.
11:14 keonne Namworld: http://www.journaldunet.com/ebusiness/commerce/patrick-oualid-oualid-monoprix-bitcoin.shtml
11:14 keonne Monoprix to accept bitcoin end of 2014 apparently
11:14 Namworld Ah
11:15 keonne Namworld: please excuse if I butchered that, like I said, my french is garbage
11:15 keonne give me it in esperanto and i'd be fine, lol
11:19 Namworld idk why esperanto, seems counter productive. English is already so widely used (Not as native language but all combined)
11:20 Namworld Although yes Mandarin is at the top, but not really used outside of China.
11:20 benkay i'm testing a strategy for location selection over the next ten years: prefer big network pipe installations and electricity generation sites over pretty much anything. theory being that people with money invested in internet hardware will deploy capital to protect it, need lowly others to run the machines, and provide the armed convoys of food that the big cities won't be enjoying.
11:21 benkay in my region this is Prineville and Bonneville.
11:22 Mats_cd03 im paying down a place in SLO, CA atm
11:22 benkay hanky basis for investment thesis is that in the way rivers were important to US city site locations once upon a time internet and power will be bastions of order in mad-max future.
11:22 Mats_cd03 theres a 550w sol farm in the district
11:23 benkay ugh but all that human flesh
11:23 Mats_cd03 mw, that is (we're on the same wavelength apparently)
11:23 keonne Namworld: Its very useful to learn before learning other languages
11:23 keonne especially if you are a native english speakers
11:23 Mats_cd03 theres no point to learning mandarin
11:24 keonne you are quickly familiarised with different grammatical structures and sounds, while still being easily learned due to its entirely constructed base
11:24 keonne Overall you are correct though, and almost no one speaks or understands it
11:25 thestringpuller Mats_cd03: you really waiting for a cardano to get into WoT?
11:25 thestringpuller lol
11:25 Mats_cd03 im not in a rush
11:26 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 39 @ 0.005795 = 0.226 BTC [-]
11:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 888 @ 0.0055105 = 4.8933 BTC [-] {10}
11:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-]
11:27 keonne What is a cardano?
11:28 Mats_cd03 http://trilema.com/2013/snsa-first-product-the-cardano/
11:28 ozbot S.NSA first product - The Cardano pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
11:28 keonne thank you Mats_cd03
11:29 keonne trilema is seriously the best thing I have ever spent money on, online.
11:31 keonne oh i want
11:32 Mats_cd03 ascii is going to need a lot of units
11:37 robwhiz22 hi
11:37 Chris_Sabian I can use a bit of help: can anyone get the raw transcation from this tx id: df74678b86bdf78656b92a1fd7da70aa35ecba12847decd684485fb0a79e728c
11:37 truffles ho
11:38 Chris_Sabian i know you can do it in bitcoinQT but I dont have access to it right noww
11:38 Chris_Sabian and i dont know where it find it online
11:38 robwhiz22 Does anyone know when Mirceau tends to be online?
11:39 mike_c you need to run with -txindex to get access to transactions not in your wallet
11:39 truffles no
11:39 mike_c and rescan the blockchain.
11:40 jurov blockchain.info shows raw tx in advanced mode, no?
11:40 Chris_Sabian so I need access to my wallet at the moment to do it?
11:41 mike_c jurov: it shows the scripts, yeah. https://blockchain.info/tx/df74678b86bdf78656b92a1fd7da70aa35ecba12847decd684485fb0a79e728c?show_adv=true
11:41 dignork Chris_Sabian, https://blockchain.info/tx/df74678b86bdf78656b92a1fd7da70aa35ecba12847decd684485fb0a79e728c
11:41 artifexd Or https://blockchain.info/rawtx/df74678b86bdf78656b92a1fd7da70aa35ecba12847decd684485fb0a79e728c
11:41 dignork lol
11:41 keonne was just gonna link that mike_c :)
11:41 robwhiz22 I will be on later.
11:41 truffles blocks spamme
11:41 keonne robwhiz22: you decide to ask in chat instead of pm this time?
11:42 keonne aw he left
11:42 truffles bad idea to pm ppl
11:42 keonne indeed
11:43 keonne he asked first, Mircea said no, and then he complained about it
11:43 truffles oh
11:43 truffles more interesting ppl to pm though :D
11:44 Chris_Sabian ok. so if im trying to manually push the transcation via https://blockchain.info/pushtx , were is the raw hex then??
11:45 artifexd https://blockchain.info/rawtx/df74678b86bdf78656b92a1fd7da70aa35ecba12847decd684485fb0a79e728c?format=hex
11:45 truffles keonne u were supposed to say right, i know ure a blast
11:45 mike_c um. blockchain already saw it :)
11:45 mike_c what is the point?
11:46 keonne oh sorry truffles
11:47 keonne i wouldn't know, i never pm'd you
11:47 keonne unless you are also moiety
11:47 truffles i acept all pms
11:48 truffles dunno who that is
11:49 Chris_Sabian ok then. just saw that. I guess that I was confused that blockchain didnt see it because it didn't confirm. :)
11:49 dexX7 blockchain.info tends to be broken for some time now
11:49 mike_c well, it's not confirming because no tx fee.
11:50 Chris_Sabian isn't there some room in blocks for 0 fee transcation though? but it would take a long time to confirm though?
11:50 keonne dexX7: whats broken? besides some charts? anything I need to expedite?
11:52 keonne API should be back, we moved over to bitcoinj, and overall things are a lot quicker now. If there is something specific please let me know
11:52 dexX7 transactions were missing. not like an unconfirmed as in this case, but also historical ones
11:52 keonne still? I thought we fixed all those
11:52 dexX7 hm
11:52 dexX7 not sure, if this is still an issue
11:52 dexX7 but it was over the last weeks
11:52 keonne I think it has been resolved.
11:52 dexX7 ah nice
11:52 keonne yeah it was a major issue
11:53 keonne not in terms of functionality or people losing btc, but in a scaring the shit out of people way
11:53 dexX7 and a strange one ;) blockhashes were all fine, but tx count was wrong and as mentioned, txs missing
11:53 keonne yeah the database corrupted, it was a very bad week
11:54 keonne none of us slept very much
11:54 keonne again if you see anything weird, just ping me here and ill get eyes on it asap
11:55 dexX7 good to know
11:56 keonne One good thing out of all that, I didn't realize that android wallet users PIN codes are stored on bchain servers. As a result during the outage people weren't able to get into their android wallet with PIN only password. That is totally incorrect, from now on, your PIN will never be sent to our servers, it is hashed and stored locally instead
11:56 keonne or will be
11:57 mike_c Chris_Sabian: yes. just takes longer.
11:57 keonne with that being said, im off for a bit to grab some coffee, later
11:57 dexX7 cya
12:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.12926208 BTC to 7`616 shares, 41088 satoshi per share
12:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1509 @ 0.000135 = 0.2037 BTC [+]
12:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.01700001 = 0.17 BTC [-] {2}
12:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03199887 = 0.16 BTC [+] {3}
12:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00580999 = 0.2208 BTC [+] {2}
12:37 truffles some1 tell that guy coffee is bad for u
12:39 jurov life is deadly anyway
12:40 truffles is it though
12:40 benkay keonne: you run blockchain.info?
12:40 BingoBoingo truffles: Death is the only certain outcome of life
12:41 truffles boingo for sure
12:41 truffles no need to speed it up
12:41 BingoBoingo No need to live to be 200 if you've never done anything either
12:42 truffles sure could
12:42 truffles just not things leading to possible bad times
12:42 thestringpuller ;;gettrust keonne
12:42 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user keonne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=keonne | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=keonne | Rated since: never
12:43 truffles so why are nerds offended about being called nerds eh
12:44 cgcardona_ There is no such thing as strong coffee—only weak men.
12:44 truffles 0.0
12:44 truffles truth bombs
12:45 cgcardona_ top of tha mornin everyone
12:46 truffles ive already made dinner ..
12:46 cgcardona_ heh. Around tha world—around tha world (daft punk theme)
12:47 truffles nerd comment wasnt that random, other chat was qualifiying what it is to be one
12:48 cgcardona_ I don't think nerds are offended at being called nerds. I think true nerds/geeks/etc own that shit
12:49 truffles id think its a good thing to be smart but u never know
12:49 cgcardona_ smart/clever/knowledgable/wise <---at some crossroads of those
12:50 benkay can be a handicap, truffles. makes sucking at ones craft very painful when you start hitting that competence threshold that only lots of deliberate practice can get one over.
12:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.045 = 0.18 BTC [-]
12:51 truffles well one cant know everything
12:51 benkay in the same way men tell each other "smart/pretty/sane, pick two", managers are always looking for some combination of "smart/well-practiced/hard working".
12:51 danielpbarron http://blockscan.com/address.aspx?q=1BGSqmCnkdyB7W2T15rSBS4qXBdY3LZn1t
12:51 cgcardona_ interesting insight
12:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03209899 = 0.1926 BTC [+] {3}
12:52 benkay well-practiced and hard working is super valuable, well-practiced and smart is super valuable, smart and hard working comes in at the bottom untempered by practice.
12:52 benkay and of course just plain old smart is completely worthless.
12:52 truffles i actually rank in reverse
12:53 cgcardona_ i'm just dumb and lazy
12:53 benkay ;;google why i never hire brilliant men
12:53 gribble From the Stacks: Why I Never Hire Brilliant Men | TaoYue.com: <http://taoyue.com/stacks/articles/brilliant-men.html>; The Joel on Software Discussion Group (CLOSED) - Why I Never Hire ...: <http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.558118.24>; The Old Joel on Software Forum - Hiring superstars?: <http://discuss.fogcreek.com/joelonsoftware/?cmd=show&ixPost=17864>
12:53 truffles slow pony
12:55 cgcardona_ oddly enough I had somehow never heard "smart/pretty/sane, pick two" until today
12:55 truffles provided the brilliant doesnt come with lazi, id go brilliant every time
12:55 jurov nonlazy brilliant eventually go crazy
12:56 cgcardona_ well there are meds for that...
12:56 truffles we're all a lil crazy
12:56 cgcardona_ </partial joke>
12:56 benkay funny how people go for the meds first and never think to go run in circles for thirty minutes...
12:57 truffles i feel like any other option is purposely handicapping urself
13:02 cgcardona_ dude I just got an email from heroku about the ssl bug w/ this as my list of potentially affected apps: Here are your affected applications:
13:02 cgcardona_ {list of apps}
13:02 cgcardona_ the old variable in the email fail
13:02 cgcardona_ been a while since I seen that one
13:12 BingoBoingo benkay: A jog can't do the things Lithium can though
13:13 truffles how about drinking some tea, sitting doing a sudoku
13:13 benkay most medicated people i've met don't jog 3 times a week, or even picking up heavy things until sweaty that many times a week. some variant of which is a prerequisite for stable mental chemistry.
13:13 benkay <strike>ing</strike>
13:14 truffles might take a lil more than that for the clincially insane
13:14 benkay i'm not saying that mental health is purely a function of workout frequency. i've been larned better than that by the DSMi. it's just all too frequent that people resort to drugs without actually putting in the work to get their physical health dialed.
13:15 benkay granted, it can be hard to get up in the morning much less work out when catatonically depressed.
13:15 Rick__ arij is here?
13:16 truffles what would u suggest to the jocks then
13:16 los_pantalones read a book
13:16 truffles haha
13:17 asciilifeform http://filippo.io/Heartbleed/#schneier.com
13:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.0523161 = 0.9417 BTC [-] {5}
13:23 BingoBoingo http://filippo.io/Heartbleed/#trilema.com
13:23 BingoBoingo MP > Scheier
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13:24 asciilifeform wait since when ssl on trilema?
13:24 mike_c i checked trilema & coinbr this morning, both were clear.
13:24 Mats_cd03 trilema cpanel i guess?
13:25 BingoBoingo Well, No SSL == NotHeartBleed
13:25 BingoBoingo www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/08/the-big-rock-candy-foundation/
13:25 mike_c trilema.com will do ssl connections, but you can't get the blog.
13:26 benkay BingoBoingo: start urls with http:// for log url inclusion
13:26 BingoBoingo http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/
13:26 ozbot Bingo Blog | - of Bitcoin and Boingo
13:26 TomServo BingoBoingo: The title of that article is for some reason missing from the frontpage
13:26 BingoBoingo www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/08/the-big-rock-candy-foundation/
13:26 BingoBoingo TomServo: Yeah, I dunno why
13:28 mike_c too much css
13:29 truffles boingo u have blog also?
13:30 BingoBoingo truffles: Where have you been since September
13:31 truffles well if its random link without saying "in my blog ..." i dont click..
13:31 BingoBoingo truffles: You also advertise how much you hate reading at all
13:31 truffles u misunderstand
13:31 BingoBoingo mike_c: Fixed, was actualy too much CSS
13:31 benkay "Bingo Blog"
13:31 truffles if its boring id rather not
13:31 benkay how fucking hard is that?
13:32 benkay being linked by BingoBoingo
13:32 truffles ok ok i skimmed
13:32 BingoBoingo Reading moar is the best prevention against getting buggered sore
13:33 truffles i have small chat window so..
13:33 BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/gavinandresen/status/453574888587268096
13:33 ozbot Twitter / gavinandresen: Expect a 0.9.1 Bitcoin Core ...
13:34 mike_c BingoBoingo: much better. good post. although not apples to apples, it is interesting to compare their activity #'s against http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/
13:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 63 @ 0.00555318 = 0.3499 BTC [-] {3}
13:34 truffles oh oh i dont like ur writing style eeek
13:35 benkay 48.) mjr___ 1023
13:35 danielpbarron I got two irl contacts to join the WoT :D
13:35 benkay which handles, danielpbarron ?
13:35 benkay unless that's a rude question. is that a rude question?
13:36 truffles tis rude
13:36 benkay ;;gettrust truffles
13:36 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user truffles: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=truffles | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=truffles | Rated since: never
13:36 truffles jk
13:36 benkay you don't count in this conversation apparently.
13:36 truffles ha
13:36 danielpbarron one hasn't signed up yet, the other is 'againbackson'
13:37 benkay ;;gettrust againbackson
13:37 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user againbackson: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=againbackson | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=againbackson | Rated since: Tue Apr 8 11:58:58 2014
13:37 danielpbarron ;;gettrust againbackson
13:37 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user againbackson: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=danielpbarron&dest=againbackson | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=againbackson | Rated since: Tue Apr 8 11:58:58 2014
13:37 BingoBoingo mike_c: Thx, Well I figure for all of the porn there is less unpleasant buggery happening here
13:38 truffles doesnt seem like too many r authenticated
13:38 danielpbarron he's not online now :p
13:38 truffles monologue commence?
13:39 truffles boingo what percent of the blog is about u vs btc?
13:40 truffles oh id so crush u in fantasy sports :D
13:41 BingoBoingo truffles: Only one way to find out the log's contents...
13:42 truffles i have harsh comments that i will hold to myself
13:43 BingoBoingo I dunno that your comments can be sharp enough to cut deep...
13:44 truffles oh, feel like ppl get sensy on the nets though
13:44 benkay projecting much?
13:44 truffles no wai, im like toughest person itc
13:44 BingoBoingo truffles: There is a difference between people and "ppl"
13:45 truffles ppl do picky
13:47 BingoBoingo truffles: I don't think your wit is sharp enough to draw meaningful offense.
13:47 truffles ouch!
13:48 truffles well i tend to push buttons instead :(
13:50 BingoBoingo That isn't even a very good emoticon
13:51 truffles whats a good one
13:51 BingoBoingo >:- ]
13:51 BingoBoingo The horns show its malevolence
13:51 truffles lol
13:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 53 @ 0.00579979 = 0.3074 BTC [+] {3}
13:52 truffles sure
13:52 BingoBoingo And its square jaw shows it is strong
13:56 truffles so guess we should all work out more
13:56 Mats_cd03 https://imgur.com/4nhUs
13:56 ozbot Gay Seal - Imgur
13:57 MisterE anyone understand chinese?
13:58 Mats_cd03 yes
13:59 MisterE supposedly an interview with a Chinese bank manager that was taken with an iphone has been posted where he confirms PBOC will drop the hammer on RMB
13:59 MisterE excellent, would you mind having a look if its credible Mats_cd03 ?
13:59 MisterE http://video.sina.com.cn/v/b/130518221-3244140934.html
13:59 Mats_cd03 link it
14:00 MisterE there's this too but not sure if related: https://www.fxbtc.com/news?id=3
14:01 Mats_cd03 sounds like thats what theyre talking about
14:01 MisterE does it sound like they are who they are?
14:01 MisterE and any date mentioned?
14:01 MisterE err rather does it sound like they are credible?
14:03 Mats_cd03 the bank they're referring to is
14:03 BingoBoingo http://gawker.com/star-trek-captain-narrates-insane-documentary-about-geo-1560832782
14:03 ozbot Star Trek Captain Narrates Insane Documentary About Geocentrism
14:03 Mats_cd03 and my pinyin (romanization) is rough here...
14:03 MisterE yea it's not easy
14:03 Mats_cd03 lingyun (inaudible) agricultural bank
14:03 MisterE hmm
14:04 Mats_cd03 lingyun (inaudible) branch agricultural bank of china
14:06 truffles kaku is in every modern doc!
14:07 Mats_cd03 oh and its by the 15
14:07 Mats_cd03 of this month
14:08 MisterE well that's inline with rumors
14:11 MisterE hmm agbank is massive https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_Bank_of_China
14:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.590984 = 3.5459 BTC [-] {3}
14:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.59 = 3.54 BTC [-]
14:15 mike_c PBOC will drop the hammer on RMB << what do you mean by this? will let the exchange rate float more?
14:15 Mats_cd03 seems more like theyre trying to restrict btc institutions from peddling to the masses
14:16 MisterE yes
14:16 MisterE stopping rmb from being used to buy crypto
14:17 Mats_cd03 an amusing effort
14:17 MisterE Mats_cd03: what is your impression of the people's credibility? Do they seem like a branch manager of one of the biggest Chinese banks?
14:17 MisterE their language, is it proper formal business?
14:18 Mats_cd03 yeah
14:21 MisterE thanks for doing that
14:21 MisterE oh anything about that post / notice? https://www.fxbtc.com/news?id=3
14:22 MisterE I guess I can just plug it into google translate
14:22 Mats_cd03 they're shutting down due to the accounts being blocked (or something)
14:23 Mats_cd03 and some other things about pursuing legal action if dudes keep accusing them of running with the money
14:23 Apocalyptic what are they shutting down ?
14:24 Mats_cd03 the bank received a directive to shut down fxbtc's bank account
14:24 MisterE intersting
14:24 Mats_cd03 so the funds are frozen i imagine
14:24 MisterE I didnt get that from google translate heh
14:24 MisterE so their customers' funds are too
14:25 MisterE Are you Chinese or live in China Mats_cd03? I recall one regular here at least lives there
14:26 Mats_cd03 i'm an .hk expat
14:26 MisterE ahh ok yes it's you
14:26 MisterE I'm in SE Asia also expat
14:26 Mats_cd03 i live in the us now
14:26 MisterE mostly BKK / .sg pbased
14:26 Mats_cd03 is nice
14:27 MisterE ahh nice to be back :)
14:27 MisterE green grass and open space!
14:27 Mats_cd03 what is the living standard like there
14:27 MisterE well like everything depends on money
14:27 Mats_cd03 well i lived in hk back when it was still green and open
14:28 MisterE business opportunity abounds in Singapore but it's expensive as hell
14:28 MisterE English is excellent there
14:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.6 = 3.6 BTC [+] {2}
14:28 MisterE most of the multis that dont want to go intot he emerging markets in SE Asia service them from .sg
14:28 Mats_cd03 i left just as some of the high speed rails were being built
14:29 MisterE wow thats a wile ago
14:29 MisterE I imagine is sucked a bit before then heh
14:29 Mats_cd03 in tsuen wan
14:29 MisterE country so damn big
14:29 Mats_cd03 literally two months after i completed a purchase on a number of properties
14:31 MisterE oh yea that will make you move
14:31 MisterE I was in real estate in the US
14:31 MisterE commercial zoning plannign and permitting
14:31 MisterE worked inland SF bay area
14:31 MisterE and Seattle
14:31 MisterE did a lot of 1031 exchanges
14:32 Mats_cd03 ive lived in san jose
14:32 Mats_cd03 is nice
14:32 MisterE Oh yea we built a datacenter build there, it is nice area
14:33 MisterE perfect weather for me, best in US
14:35 Mats_cd03 san diego has the best weather
14:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24092 @ 0.00100306 = 24.1657 BTC [+] {2}
14:36 Mats_cd03 when i lived there the temperature fluctuated 20 degrees at most
14:37 Mats_cd03 90% of days were 60-80F
14:37 Mats_cd03 id still be there if it wasnt ungodly expensive
14:38 bounce waitwaitwait, bitcoind is vulnerable to heartbleed?
14:39 Namworld What nonsense is this?
14:40 Mats_cd03 'heartbleed', who knew security researchers had a flair for the dramatic
14:40 MisterE www.heartbleed.com
14:41 Namworld lel, what? "The Heartbleed bug allows anyone on the Internet to read the memory of the systems protected by the vulnerable versions of the OpenSSL software. This compromises the secret keys used to identify the service providers and to encrypt the traffic, the names and passwords of the users and the actual content."
14:41 midnightmagic bounce: Only if you've allowed rpc connections from random douches, have turned on ssl, aren't limiting it based on IP, *and* they have your wallet.dat already and have been able to query your bitcoind constantly over time and caught you using the rpc command that unlocks your wallet.
14:41 Apocalyptic it is bounca
14:41 Apocalyptic *bounce
14:41 bounce "the industry" is made up out of at least 90% deliberate FUDmongering
14:41 Apocalyptic midnightmagic only describe the scenario when they would have all your privkeys
14:42 midnightmagic Apocalyptic: Or your encrypted wallet and access to query your rpcssl port arbitrarily.
14:42 Apocalyptic but yes bitcoind with rpcssl is vulnerable to memory leak of some memspace
14:42 midnightmagic (and did so in between your wallet passphrase rpc command, and whatever you typed next)
14:42 Apocalyptic right
14:42 midnightmagic the leak is minimal
14:42 midnightmagic (so far as we currently know)
14:42 midnightmagic "we"
14:43 Namworld What kind of bug allows anyone to just read the memory?
14:43 midnightmagic it's not just any memory, it's a specific chunk
14:45 Namworld yes, yes, still
14:45 midnightmagic and the answer is, "One that needs patching immediately. If you're on ubuntu: apt-get update ; apt-get install openssl"
14:45 bounce not all of your assumptions are going to be reasonable, actually. ssl is fairly logical when enabling rpc ("instant security" amirite or amirite), but restricting IPaddresses only so if either you have enough clue or someone in your vicinity does. similarly, plenty reasons why you'd leave the wallet unlocked.
14:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 800 @ 0.00014994 = 0.12 BTC [+]
14:47 midnightmagic You have to specifically turn on rpcbind access to the outside world. You have to have specifically taken an action to expose yourself.
14:48 midnightmagic and even if your wallet is unlocked, your privkeys aren't vulnerable. Only (so far) the last rpc command used in the server.
14:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 700 @ 0.00014995 = 0.105 BTC [+]
14:50 bounce AFAIK you get a random 64k block back, so whatever's in there you can get
14:50 bounce s/AFAIK/AIUI/ but anyway
14:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 700 @ 0.00014995 = 0.105 BTC [+]
14:51 thestringpuller cron job yoyo
14:53 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.00081495 = 0.815 BTC [-] {4}
14:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14050 @ 0.00100503 = 14.1207 BTC [+] {2}
14:58 asciilifeform which one of you folks runs btcalpha.com ?
14:59 thestringpuller what is that?
14:59 Apocalyptic asciilifeform, mike_c does
14:59 asciilifeform thx
14:59 mike_c now i'm nervous..
15:00 asciilifeform stumbled across it by accident.
15:00 thestringpuller ;;gettrust mike_c
15:00 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user mike_c: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=mike_c | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mike_c | Rated since: Sun Nov 24 21:18:22 2013
15:01 thestringpuller nice btcalpha is pretty good
15:02 MisterE bounce: it is not a random 64k block and you can continue requesting them until you get all the info you want
15:02 MisterE www.heartbleed.com
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15:18 midnightmagic bounce: No, it's not a random 64k block. It's the same block each time you run the attack.
15:21 midnightmagic MisterE: It's just a chunk of the heap. to get different data, the heap contents must change in between attacks. That is, you can't just dump the process' entire memory space.
15:25 mike_c "There is no total of 64 kilobytes limitation to the attack, that limit applies only to a single heartbeat. Attacker can either keep reconnecting or during an active TLS connection keep requesting arbitrary number of 64 kilobyte chunks of memory content until enough secrets are revealed."
15:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48000 @ 0.00100609 = 48.2923 BTC [+]
15:37 taub http://puu.sh/8189e.jpg fascinating and true
15:47 Apocalyptic mike_c, is that django btw ?
15:47 mike_c yeah
15:47 mike_c how did you guess? what am i leaking?
15:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05499193 = 0.11 BTC [-]
15:48 mike_c this was more fun when it was me probing trilema.
16:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05499195 = 0.22 BTC [+]
16:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05499195 = 0.11 BTC [+]
16:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 135 @ 0.00148 = 0.1998 BTC [-]
16:19 jurov some douche filed "illegal intrusion report" against simpleshell.com
16:19 jurov just cause it "exceeded connection attempt threshold to tcp:22 81 times in a 30 minute period"
16:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00100531 = 11.6113 BTC [-] {2}
16:20 jurov as if they fear two login attempts per minute
16:22 jurov guess i'll axe it for now
16:22 mike_c filed it with who?
16:23 jurov with amazon
16:27 thestringpuller ;;ticker
16:27 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 454.55, Best ask: 455.5, Bid-ask spread: 0.95000, Last trade: 455.88, 24 hour volume: 5617.14157162, 24 hour low: 446.24, 24 hour high: 459.8, 24 hour vwap: 453.022093956
16:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88208 @ 0.00101 = 89.0901 BTC [+]
16:29 benkay Apocalyptic: how'd you run down that mike_c's running django? i too am curious.
16:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00014576 = 0.1458 BTC [-] {3}
16:32 Apocalyptic it was just a guess
16:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 825 @ 0.0001451 = 0.1197 BTC [-] {5}
16:45 mircea_popescu mike_c: it is pretty horrible to run this against one of your servers and watch its memory get dumped to screen. << now imagine if hearn & co had their way and openssl was bundled in every "reference" bitcoin client.
16:45 mike_c it is, right? hence 0.9.1
16:45 asciilifeform lol!!
16:46 mircea_popescu someone actually downloaded 0.9.1 ?
16:46 mircea_popescu i mean other than to point and laugh.
16:46 mike_c it's not released yet. it is the fix for 0.9, which is vulnerable
16:46 mircea_popescu o o i c.
16:47 mircea_popescu keonne wtf is it with dyslexics and esperanto
16:47 mircea_popescu it's like goth music and fat girls for crying out loud
16:48 mircea_popescu Chris_Sabian it's unconfirmed as of yet and i can't conveniently see it. you dun goofed ?
16:49 mircea_popescu and .9 was the fix for .8.x, which was... broken.
16:50 mircea_popescu then when i say satoshi quit mostly because he didn't want to be involved with these fucktards anymore people act as if this is somehow controversial.
16:58 bounce well, there's a new chief developer guy now. everything gonna be better now, right?
16:59 mircea_popescu no.
16:59 mircea_popescu an' im working on the killshot as we speak.
17:00 bounce so we're how many years on and I haven't looked but am I to understand there's still not much of a protocol spec? looks like the foundation sure set some useful priorities.
17:01 ThickAsThieves i spoke with the reporter today about the Narcotic Checkpoint issue, went pretty well, she's gonna do more research
17:01 benkay HeySteve2 was having epic problems with 0.9 and a wallet.
17:01 ThickAsThieves offered to have me get a Letter to the Editor published
17:01 ThickAsThieves we'll see
~ 18 minutes ~
17:20 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: goth music and fat girls...wow that's very astute, i thought it was just an american phenonmenon
17:22 benkay ;;gettrust thestringpuller
17:22 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user thestringpuller: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=thestringpuller | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=thestringpuller | Rated since: Mon Oct 15 18:46:37 2012
17:26 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/the-sins-of-the-group-of-posers-behind-the-so-called-bitcoin-foundation/
17:26 ozbot The sins of the group of posers behind the so called “Bitcoin Foundation” pe Trilema - Un blog d
17:26 mircea_popescu now someone dump that on reddit, let's have some fun here.
17:26 benkay http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/156262/lynchings-a-collective-mental-condition
17:26 ozbot Lynchings: a collective mental condition - BuenosAiresHerald.com
17:27 mircea_popescu benkay either that or a good idea.
17:28 benkay you're a fan of the lynching?
17:29 mircea_popescu i know for a fact that upon lynching a legal system can be built.
17:29 mircea_popescu upon the derpage fashionable in the us today, no legal system can be built.
17:29 mircea_popescu kalifornia at most. and that's really not good enough.
17:29 ThickAsThieves typo: "on the othe rhand"
17:30 mircea_popescu ty
17:30 ThickAsThieves i'm tempted to get picky with your often-missing commas and hyphens, but it reads okay so whatever
17:31 mircea_popescu i have my own (admittedly nutty) comma scheme
17:31 jurov http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/22jv9k/the_sins_of_the_group_of_posers_behind_the_so/
17:31 mircea_popescu cheers.
17:32 Naphex upboat ^^
17:32 ThickAsThieves Karpeles is a fugitive now?
17:33 mircea_popescu not exactly keeping office hours is he ?
17:33 mircea_popescu same deal as danny.
17:33 mircea_popescu Naphex say what ?
17:33 ThickAsThieves i thought Mark was cooperating n all that jazz
17:33 mircea_popescu why ?
17:33 ThickAsThieves i havent been following lately though
17:34 ThickAsThieves cuz he was appearing in public and filing bankruptcies and finding coins in his couch, etc
17:34 mircea_popescu he did not personally file anything,
17:34 mircea_popescu and w/e, irc appearances in public ? hardly counts.
17:35 mircea_popescu judge ordered him to show up in court if he intends to ask the court to protect him from his creditors.
17:35 mircea_popescu the message there's pretty much this : civil court does not protect fugitives. ancient principle, too.
17:35 * ThickAsThieves looks up definition of "fugitive"
17:36 ThickAsThieves 4. being of transient interest
17:36 mircea_popescu well it doesn't reduce to car chases :p
17:36 ThickAsThieves hehe
17:36 thestringpuller so why do fat girls love goth music?
17:36 thestringpuller i'm still intrigued by this phenomenon
17:37 Naphex mircea_popescu: upboat for the reddit post ;]
17:37 ThickAsThieves because they are sad
17:37 ThickAsThieves duh
17:37 mircea_popescu a ty.
17:37 thestringpuller sad because guys don't want to touch them?
17:37 ThickAsThieves all the reasons that come with being fat
17:38 mircea_popescu thestringpuller maybe because they resonate with people inconvenienced by reality, being themselves inconvenienced by same ?
17:38 mircea_popescu Naphex you like the only other romanian in here ?
17:38 mircea_popescu o nm, cads sorta counts too
17:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41208 @ 0.00100189 = 41.2859 BTC [-] {2}
17:38 ThickAsThieves maybe it's too options for the morbidly obese, outward depression, or a carreer in comedy
17:38 ThickAsThieves two
17:39 ThickAsThieves career
17:39 mircea_popescu hardly. name a fat woman that was ever funny.
17:39 ThickAsThieves lol
17:39 mircea_popescu i mean, fat guys, i get it, it can happen.
17:39 Naphex mircea_popescu: might as well be two, chilling around. might as well check this place out. has entertaining discussions from what i figured from chat logs
17:39 ThickAsThieves the girl on SNL isnt that bad
17:39 Naphex :p
17:39 ThickAsThieves roseanne?
17:39 ThickAsThieves that fat girl in the movies now is horribl ethough
17:40 ThickAsThieves but yeah
17:40 ThickAsThieves it's much more common in men
17:40 ThickAsThieves fat guys can be a good time (no homo)
17:40 mircea_popescu which is kinda weird, i always thought fat kinda goes with jolly
17:41 ThickAsThieves i picked up jogging again, all this bitcoining made me buy new clothes
17:41 ThickAsThieves i always do this, gain enough to buy new clothes, then that triggers me losing the weight so those dont fit either
17:41 ThickAsThieves i got a system!
17:42 cazalla hey me too, legs are killing me from doms, had to take a few days break lol
17:42 ThickAsThieves most i ever ran was a half-marathon, which gave me my knee injury
17:43 ThickAsThieves goes to the point of that 50-mile bitcoin runner guy being absolutely delusional or scamming
17:43 cazalla i use to do 10km every morning but then i got fat and lazy when it was no longer a challenge
17:44 mircea_popescu hmm, anyone know andre renard ? i find it quite palatable
17:44 mircea_popescu cazalla so now it's a challenge again, see ? nature fixes all.
17:45 bounce heartbleed, not beedingheart, and a plurality mismatch in the last paragraph or so
17:46 mircea_popescu bounce i was trying for a libertard jab.
17:46 mircea_popescu doesn't work huh
17:46 * bounce didn't get it. doesn't mean others won't.
17:47 mircea_popescu cause bleeding heart liberal see
17:48 bounce clearly not american enough to appreciate that as a style figure
17:48 bounce brb, there's a tree here as needs hugging
17:48 mircea_popescu well im not either, so... you know. shootin' in the darklo;
17:49 ThickAsThieves so now Texas has a bill to edit IRS to call bitcoin currency?
17:49 ThickAsThieves can we just make it it's own thing?
17:50 mircea_popescu i msta missed that one ?
17:50 TomServo mircea_popescu | hardly. name a fat woman that was ever funny. << Lisa Lampanelli has some good stuff, but it's basically a female version of Don Rickles act
17:50 ThickAsThieves if neither shoe fits, maybe it doesnt where shoes
17:50 ThickAsThieves http://newsbtc.com/2014/04/08/congressman-stockman-seeks-introduce-bill-congress-declaring-bitcoin-currency-property/
17:50 Naphex mircea_popescu: http://newsbtc.com/2014/04/08/congressman-stockman-seeks-introduce-bill-congress-declaring-bitcoin-currency-property/ some congressman wants some bitcoin donations
17:50 mircea_popescu TomServo minus the funny. and btw, rickles was fat his whole life.
17:50 ThickAsThieves you me a coke!
17:50 Naphex beat me to it
17:51 ThickAsThieves owe
17:51 mircea_popescu oh, well. "seeks to introduce you know ?
17:51 mircea_popescu that's the garbage bin of parliaments.
17:51 ThickAsThieves it's written up, seems itll be introduced
17:51 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves "where shoes" ?!
17:51 ThickAsThieves where what?
17:51 mircea_popescu dude you wanna correct MY commas ?
17:51 ThickAsThieves wear shoes
17:51 mircea_popescu <ThickAsThieves> if neither shoe fits, maybe it doesnt where shoes <<
17:51 ThickAsThieves lol
17:51 mircea_popescu lol
17:52 ThickAsThieves i'm super retarded today
17:52 mircea_popescu have a drink, have a straw.
17:52 ThickAsThieves funny thing is when you said that, i didnt check "where", i checked the comma
17:53 ThickAsThieves :)
17:53 mircea_popescu keonne so what are the details re the right hash but wrong block composition thing ? cause yeah it got me scratching my head.
17:54 ThickAsThieves ugh "Actually, what is needed is to leave it as property but add an exemption for the first $X0,000 of gain, which is what other countries are doing, particularly in Europe. That way it can effectively function as a currency, but investors who go long also get favorable tax treatment."
17:54 ThickAsThieves apply this law to specifically what i want plz
17:54 ThickAsThieves wtf does US care whether people go long on bitcoin
17:55 mircea_popescu actually the us needs people long on bitcoin. many of them.
17:55 ThickAsThieves you mena in the same way that a child needs to be slapped sometimes
17:55 mircea_popescu more like in the way a poor farmer with 13 kids needs one in school.
17:56 ThickAsThieves but encouraging people to go long on it, means it eats away at its own financial system, no?
17:57 mircea_popescu so ?
17:57 mircea_popescu upgrading is the only economically rational form of cannibalism.
17:57 ThickAsThieves well i agree, but i doubt the USG would intentionally do encourage it
17:57 mircea_popescu that system is getting et. best you be doin' most of the etin'.
17:57 mircea_popescu who knows, it's like an earthworm. it sorta slugs away but not as a direct result of any of the ganglions.
17:58 ThickAsThieves i can see that much i guess
17:58 mircea_popescu anyway, just sayin'. who's to know really. in point of fact, you can probably find a *state* senator trying to put in a bill on any given topic.
17:59 ThickAsThieves nonetheless, i doubt any of the intent of these IRS rulings or bills is to get people to go long
17:59 mircea_popescu there's probably some trying to put in bills to make women wear burkas
17:59 fluffypony or give ponies an actual place in office
17:59 mircea_popescu i doubt any of this shit can really HAVe an intent in the first place. people, esp on the forum, keep ascribing intent to large organisational actors
17:59 fluffypony I'd vote for that if I was American
17:59 mircea_popescu if it fucking worked that way...
18:00 ThickAsThieves if there's no intent, wtf is a bill?
18:00 mircea_popescu what's el nino's intent you know ?
18:00 mircea_popescu a bill is a product. of a system. like snail trails.
18:00 ThickAsThieves a bill is built, not shat
18:01 ThickAsThieves more like a web than a trail
18:01 mircea_popescu benkay smart hardworking isn't as bad as you think.
18:01 mike_c the intent of a bill with no chance of passing is PR.
18:01 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i'd say the converse. a bill is shat, not anything else.
18:01 ThickAsThieves mike_c i can see that
18:01 mircea_popescu that's solid too, yeah.
18:01 * fluffypony needs to watch more House of Cards
18:01 ThickAsThieves but i think bitcoin bills have chances still
18:01 mircea_popescu maybe someone should talk to him, i guess. anyone in his district ?
18:02 ThickAsThieves Ukyo might be
18:02 ThickAsThieves :)
18:02 benkay mircea_popescu: more of a comment on myself than the world
18:02 benkay but you know, any of the two are great to have around, right?
18:02 ThickAsThieves i could see a bill being passed as being closer to "shat"
18:04 ThickAsThieves maybe bills are more like cumshots
18:04 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i guess i was thinking more about "passed"
18:04 mircea_popescu otherwise, we two could write a bill in that sense, right now. what of it.
18:04 ThickAsThieves well we were speaking of intent
18:05 mircea_popescu a but unrelatedly, as the possibility of intent in large institutional actors.
18:05 ThickAsThieves but i'll write a bill with you anytime baby. I'll hold your commas, and you can diddle my phonetic abortions
18:05 mircea_popescu there's no such thing, a government/agency/etc is quite incapable of intent.
18:06 ThickAsThieves yeah it
18:06 mircea_popescu supreme court peering into "the intent of congress" is perhaps the largest inside joke in the us legal profession.
18:06 ThickAsThieves 's frustrating
18:07 fluffypony ok so I have a question that has nothing to do with bills
18:07 mircea_popescu fluffypony shoot
18:07 fluffypony if I'm looking to raise BTC-denominated funds privately as a company (angel investing, really) and don't want to go the IPO route in order to at least somewhat stave off the general discovery of trade secrets (for want of a better term), is there a generally accepted way of doing so? proposal has been drawn up already, just not really sure how one goes about finding BTC angel investor types
18:07 ThickAsThieves coins, bills, what's the difference?
18:07 mircea_popescu fluffypony one first gets into the wot.
18:07 fluffypony mircea_popescu: already there
18:07 mircea_popescu then that one establishes his credibility, over time.
18:07 mircea_popescu then it just sorta happens by itself.
18:08 mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/22jv9k/the_sins_of_the_group_of_posers_behind_the_so/ << lol angry redditoars.
18:08 nubbins` ;;gettrust fluffypony
18:08 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user fluffypony: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins%60&dest=fluffypony | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=fluffypony | Rated since: Sat Apr 6 08:20:32 2013
18:08 mircea_popescu im not a psychopath! i'm just an asshole!
18:09 mircea_popescu fluffypony a cool, look at that.
18:10 fluffypony lol
18:10 fluffypony well rg's positive rating on my wot profile still stands
18:10 fluffypony but because everyone's changed their rating of him to a negative
18:10 fluffypony it means the trust graphs to me are all unhappy pandas
18:10 fluffypony thanks a lot, rg
18:10 fluffypony :-P
18:10 mircea_popescu lol not exactly how it works.
18:10 benkay http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/22ib8o/heartbleed_bitstamp_api_hash_on_key_only/
18:10 ozbot Heartbleed + Bitstamp API (hash on key only) : Bitcoin
18:10 mircea_popescu anyway, stick around, no rush
18:10 Naphex wot schmot, fluffypony , go do your thing make some money, things will happen ;]
18:11 mircea_popescu "so if you were to perform the request over an unsecured network, you could easily intercept and send a different payload without having to generate a new signature"
18:11 mircea_popescu holy hell batman
18:11 mircea_popescu WHO WROTE THIS CODE
18:11 fluffypony Naphex: the company is already making money, just not enough for the next lot of things we're doing :)
18:11 mircea_popescu kakobrekla i hold you personally responsible!
18:11 mircea_popescu why didn't you warn us in time!
18:11 mircea_popescu fluffypony well what company is it ?
18:11 fluffypony mircea_popescu: https://openrigs.com
18:12 mircea_popescu o so you make rigs ? that's a pretty cool idea!
18:12 fluffypony mircea_popescu: well, frames for rigs
18:12 fluffypony but yes, peripheral services for miners is the primary aim of the business
18:12 mircea_popescu yes yes is what i meant, metal rig frames
18:12 BCB mircea_popescu, tells us how you really feel about the BCF
18:13 mircea_popescu BCB no need to, because gavin did the right thing and quit.
18:13 mircea_popescu rage partially averted.
18:13 Naphex mircea_popescu: i'm guessing any decent programmer that implemented the bitstamp API noticed that they do HMAC all wrong, also the guy who posted that, total douche imho :)
18:13 mircea_popescu Naphex bit of an inside joke :p
18:13 Naphex mircea_popescu: guy probably had a short on bitfinex trololol
18:14 mircea_popescu fluffypony so what are you planning to expand into ?
18:14 BCB mircea_popescu, he's still being paid by them
18:14 fluffypony mircea_popescu: I'll gladly send you the proposal if you have a bit of time to take a glance at it, just not too keen on sharing it publicly for all and sundry;)
18:15 mircea_popescu a well then no need.
18:15 mircea_popescu just curious if you wanted to say anything in public.
18:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.04512574 = 0.361 BTC [-] {4}
18:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.03219009 = 0.3541 BTC [+] {2}
18:16 mircea_popescu fluffypony how much did you sell so far ?
18:16 mircea_popescu kinda curious because the appalling situation of mining rig arrangements is a bit of a historical lolpoint
18:17 mircea_popescu if you ever read buttcoin.org etc
18:17 fluffypony mircea_popescu:1500 orders, 3000 frames
18:17 fluffypony since Nov 2013
18:17 fluffypony but we've also had customers that aren't miners
18:17 mircea_popescu o hey. so 3k frames closer to sanity, that's a public service.
18:17 fluffypony OCLHashCat users and the GPGPU/GPUGrid crowd
18:17 mircea_popescu do you build them in your garage like ? or got a little warehouse somewhere ?
18:18 nubbins` my square cc reader showed up in the mail today, woo
18:18 fluffypony got a fabrication facility, and then it's packed and shipped from a picking/qc floor
18:18 Aquent Why you saying Mark Karpels is a fugitive?
18:18 mircea_popescu pretty cool.
18:18 mircea_popescu Aquent because that's what you call people who avoid showing up in court.
18:19 Aquent no you dont
18:19 Aquent thats what you call people who avoid criminal law
18:19 Aquent not civil
18:19 nubbins` ^ he got ya on a technicality
18:19 Aquent anyway, do you have any info where he is?
18:19 nubbins` rumor has it he committed seppuku
18:19 fluffypony !seen MagicalTux
18:19 mircea_popescu i do not.
18:19 fluffypony :-P
18:19 Aquent some article is saying he's gone to taiwan
18:19 mircea_popescu a situation eerily similar to that of a fugitive.
18:20 Aquent is that what you were refering to or....
18:20 fluffypony I bet he'll turn up in a StarBucks somewhere
18:20 bounce went on a hike with that neobee guy?
18:20 nubbins` hike?!
18:20 danielpbarron http://blockscan.com/assetInfo.aspx?q=MEAT
18:20 mircea_popescu they are visiting meta-graceland, for a party hosted by elvis
18:21 Aquent lol
18:21 bounce starbucks crawl, whatever
18:21 mircea_popescu the crispy mille
18:21 fluffypony lol
18:21 Aquent right ok I would kindly and very respectfully ask you to change the wording
18:21 Aquent fugitive creates panic
18:21 Aquent especially considering some other rumours
18:21 mircea_popescu panic about what ?!
18:21 ThickAsThieves lol
18:21 ThickAsThieves Aquent is Mark?
18:21 Aquent its just a suggestion - take it or leave it is of course entirely your choice
18:21 benkay ;;gettrust Aquent
18:21 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user Aquent: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=Aquent | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Aquent | Rated since: never
18:22 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves no it's really me. you know how it goes, everyone's me.
18:22 ThickAsThieves it's not easy being you
18:22 ThickAsThieves i should know!
18:22 mircea_popescu lol
18:22 benkay fascinating, danielpbarron
18:22 mircea_popescu just promise me you don't come up with this nutty ritual of eating "my flesh and blood" later on.
18:23 fluffypony Aquent: because all the mtgox bagholders might panic and sell their coins on mtgox?
18:23 Duffer1 change the wording to what though? "a situation eerily similar to that of a fugitive" how is that different?
18:23 fluffypony oh...wait...
18:23 ThickAsThieves i'm vegan, so we're good
18:23 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves you mean we're god.
18:23 mircea_popescu harharhar
18:23 ThickAsThieves :)
18:23 BCB mircea_popescu, how many ipo have you done
18:24 ThickAsThieves kinda a weird question
18:24 mircea_popescu bout a dozen give or take
18:25 mircea_popescu and contrary to whatever you may have heard, ive done in fewer than that.
18:25 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves better larger number.
18:25 mike_c forum lulz @ neobee: "The financial report that you all have been waiting for is ready. Total revenue from date of incorporation to date: ZERO."
18:25 nubbins` ha
18:25 mircea_popescu mike_c is this also me posting ?
18:25 nubbins` is that you, john wayne?
18:25 mike_c undoubtably
18:25 nubbins` is this me?
18:26 mircea_popescu hello this is you.
18:26 mircea_popescu i have no idea what you are doing.
18:26 mircea_popescu wait dudes! do you realise god spelled backwards is dog, and so the black lab meme and the bitcoin jesus meme just came together in a total and complete
18:27 mircea_popescu MEMPOCALYPSE ?!?!
18:27 mircea_popescu http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/massive-gas-cloud-collide-black-hole-get-watch-live/
18:27 ozbot A gas cloud collides with the black hole at the center of our galaxy, and we get to watch | PBS News
18:27 nubbins` apocaleme
18:27 nubbins` please keep all gods on a leash
18:27 BCB mircea_popescu, you have any numbers posted market caps, exits (beisdes the very suspicious satoshi dice)
18:28 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/the-list-of-discontinued-assets-on-mpex/
18:28 ozbot The list of discontinued assets on MPEx pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
18:28 mircea_popescu there's that.
18:28 mircea_popescu the rest's on teh exchange.
18:29 BCB mircea_popescu, what was the kluge scam?
18:29 mircea_popescu ;;google trilema kludge the musical
18:29 gribble Bitcoin Lolcows, the musical. Today, Kludge pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/2012/bitcoin-lolcows-the-musical-today-kludge/>; How does one list on MPEx ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/how-does-one-list-on-mpex>; Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/>
18:29 mircea_popescu first one
18:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0075 = 0.75 BTC [+]
18:33 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: benkay: A jog can't do the things Lithium can though <<< actually, afaik it does.
18:33 mircea_popescu oldest and still strongest remedy for all mental issues is exhaustion.
18:34 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: MP > Scheier << lol
18:35 mircea_popescu asciilifeform https://trilema.com/2014/the-sins-of-the-group-of-posers-behind-the-so-called-bitcoin-foundation/ neh ? works if you want it, just, doesn't default to it. compatibility ftw.
18:35 ThickAsThieves jogging produces cannabinoids
18:35 ThickAsThieves free high!
18:35 mircea_popescu coolabuttoids too
18:36 asciilifeform ahahaa
18:43 mircea_popescu an' for the record, just in case : http://trilema.com/2014/the-sins-of-the-group-of-posers-behind-the-so-called-bitcoin-foundation/#comment-98933
18:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28650 @ 0.00099824 = 28.5996 BTC [-] {2}
18:53 mircea_popescu 1.) assbot 228202 2.) mircea_popescu 72397
18:53 mircea_popescu so take that!
18:54 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: beautiful piece - but the fact that the phoundation will still be revered and fellated in the world media tomorrow tells us how firmly the buggers are still in control.
18:54 Naphex i heard BlockChains.info CoinJoin has been stealthing some BTC's lately
18:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform a meta-nsa may or may not exist. a meta-media definitely does exist.
18:55 asciilifeform 'bob the bridge builder' fucks goat after goat, has done a whole herd, but remains listed in the phone book under 'bridge builder'
18:55 mircea_popescu Naphex keonne was sayin' earlier they got it fixed, waiting for him to pop back in cause i wanted to grill him a little
18:56 Naphex i heard it around 'town'
18:56 mircea_popescu asciilifeform and by bob you mean bruce ?
18:56 Naphex messing up their TX tables and getting bitcoins locked in addresses
18:58 mircea_popescu MisterE that bank shutdown/issue seems by and large unrelated to btc in any sense. just part and parcel of larger fin sector chinese woes.
19:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 6.17987915 BTC to 13`595 shares, 45457 satoshi per share
19:00 tg2 benkayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
19:00 tg2 http://bitcoinexpo.ca/
19:01 mircea_popescu midnightmagic actually, it's pretty much all the memory. in 64k chunks, yes, but trivial to map it all out.
19:02 asciilifeform process memory
19:02 asciilifeform (unless poor chumper ran with 'root' privs)
19:02 mircea_popescu all process memory, yes
19:02 mircea_popescu let's not even go into what exactly "process memory" means on windows
19:02 tg2 is it only the process space for the webserver?
19:03 mircea_popescu or into how things such as the vidcard can be leveraged for this purpose./
19:03 benkay cavirtex is sponsoring the caconf
19:03 benkay nice
19:03 mircea_popescu tg2 the process memory for the process running the openssl code
19:03 mike_c it is the process space for whatever is handling ssl connections.. so all ur keyz belong to us
19:03 benkay scamhavior universal
19:03 asciilifeform the basics of priv elevation on common os variants is a subject beaten to death elsewhere on the net
19:03 asciilifeform no need to re-tell it here.
19:03 tg2 inb4 noobs not using perfect forward
19:03 asciilifeform unless, of course, someone wants
19:03 mircea_popescu exactly. i just include it by reference.
19:04 tg2 out of bounds and native c go hand in hand
19:04 mircea_popescu tg2 afaik pfs is so rare you might as well call it exotic
19:04 tg2 pfs is pretty easy to set up
19:04 tg2 and it has been around for a while
19:04 mircea_popescu nevertheless.
19:04 mircea_popescu nevertheless.
19:04 midnightmagic mircea_popescu: No; that doesn't appear to be accurate. Ask whoever it is who is telling you that to describe how to target specific memory regions, because I'm fairly sure they're wrong.
19:04 * mircea_popescu just keeps on pasting "nevertheless"
19:04 tg2 i'm sure it's adoption will increase in light recent events ;)
19:04 tg2 benkay, what was your site
19:04 tg2 candiansomething?
19:05 mircea_popescu midnightmagic "There is no total of 64 kilobytes limitation to the attack, that limit applies only to a single heartbeat. Attacker can either keep reconnecting or during an active TLS connection keep requesting arbitrary number of 64 kilobyte chunks of memory content until enough secrets are revealed."
19:05 mircea_popescu http://heartbleed.com/
19:05 ozbot Heartbleed Bug
19:05 mircea_popescu some of teh doods that reported it.
19:05 mircea_popescu tg2 yeah. or maybe it won't.
19:05 midnightmagic mircea_popescu: That is from the heartbleed site. It implies more information is available, but it's information which is sitting in that specific area. It's a busy area, but it's just that specific area.
19:05 bounce and named it, and registered a domain for the name
19:06 midnightmagic It's an abitrary number of 64k chunks, but it's not arbitrary *locations*.
19:06 mircea_popescu midnightmagic this, ~as far as we know~ is probably true.
19:06 mircea_popescu nevertheless.
19:06 bounce if there's multiple code paths you can get there it gets more interesting still
19:06 Naphex gn o/
19:07 mircea_popescu ^
19:07 midnightmagic mircea_popescu: Well the wording in that section is slippery. My current understanding is to vary the information requires being able to manipulate program execution in other areas of the program.
19:07 mircea_popescu at this stage i don't see how any negative statements can really be made.
19:08 midnightmagic The attack is just a heartbeat with a size modifier different; it's an overrun read-only flaw. Unless the attack is expanded to something else, there is no targetting. It's "whatever's sitting 64k behind the heap."
19:09 mircea_popescu but since you can in principle repeat it indefinitely it's in principle anything.
19:09 asciilifeform i specifically mentioned 'openssl' in 'don't blame the mice.' well, nobody want to read a crackpot blog, they will have to learn the lesson on their own arse.
19:09 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know you're in the footnotes for that reason :)
19:09 asciilifeform and when people realize the actual root of the problem (as eventually must) they will piss themselves.
19:10 fluffypony before I patched our local server this morning (not behind CloudFlare as CloudFlare don't have a node in South Africa) I played around with it
19:10 fluffypony it bleeds tons of cookies from the httpd's memory space
19:11 fluffypony some of them are broken, but enough weren't
19:11 mircea_popescu fluffypony mike_c was liveircing wowmoments with it earlier too
19:12 fluffypony mircea_popescu: I still maintain that the damage from something like this could be reduced by mitigating session hijacking
19:12 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: stumbled across it by accident. << haha mike_c you be famous nao.
19:13 mircea_popescu fluffypony there's many ways to mitigate a known attack, by the very definition of "known".
19:13 fluffypony but locking a session to an IP is also fraught with issues, so that's not a good technique
19:13 mircea_popescu the point here is that this attack spent most of the past two years unknown.
19:13 fluffypony yeah I'm not talking about mitigating the heartbleed attack
19:13 fluffypony just mitigating session hijacking
19:14 fluffypony if POST/GET vars bleed that's one thing
19:14 Naphex mircea_popescu: you can basically sniff whole SSL trafic with Heartbleed.
19:14 * bounce recalls an irc discussion going on 15 years back, where someone speculated that a nsa backdoor might look like "int foo;" instead of "long foo;". and you just can't tell. well, here we have such an innocuous thingy. and you never can tell. but spectacular, that the effects certainly are.
19:14 mircea_popescu Naphex all the poor souls arguing with me over tor's safety a few months ago. awww.
19:14 Naphex just write some code and point it
19:14 asciilifeform ;;google underhanded c contest
19:14 gribble The Underhanded C Contest: <http://underhanded.xcott.com/>; The Underhanded C Contest » This Year: <http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5>; The Underhanded C Contest » About: <http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=2>
19:14 mircea_popescu bounce indeed.
19:14 mircea_popescu im still trying to discern how they got it in.
19:15 fluffypony on that HIGH note, it's bed time here, well as close to bed time as 1:15am is when the wife is fast asleep next to you
19:15 fluffypony cheers all
19:15 mircea_popescu later.
19:15 Naphex imo, definitely a planted bug.
19:15 mircea_popescu no question about it.
19:15 * bounce hasn't checked the repo, if any. probably should.
19:15 mircea_popescu question is who were the idiots and who were the patsies.
19:15 asciilifeform still trying to discern how they got it in << this is by far the least surprising part. next, what, ask how the roaches got in the kitchen?
19:15 Naphex i got screwed cause i had to compile from source to get ECDH.
19:15 mircea_popescu bounce maybe you're the last guy on the internet that hasn't made copies.
19:16 bounce there was also that = vs == in a linux syscall a while back
19:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes. i'm exactly that sorta guy.
19:16 Naphex so you go compile from source to get ECDH, to avoid stupid encryption restrictions
19:17 Naphex then you get sniffed for all you have
19:17 Naphex i'm guessing that was the logic behind it
19:17 bounce probably not, but last in this channel, possibly
19:18 mircea_popescu anyway, this suddenly makes tor significantly more useful. at least for a few weeks.
19:18 Naphex until 12.00 GMT+2 mostly everything was vulnerable, and as the sploit went public everyone started sniffing everything.
19:19 Naphex atleast that went right.
19:19 bounce when did they move to git from cvs?
19:19 mircea_popescu 2012 ?
19:19 mircea_popescu whoa.
19:20 mircea_popescu actually... they moved just with 1.0.1 didn't they ?
19:20 asciilifeform herr mole couldn't be bothered to learn cvs.
19:20 asciilifeform so, to be kind to him, git, which he was accustomed to.
19:20 mircea_popescu this is fucking it is it ?!
19:21 mircea_popescu holy cow no way.
19:21 bounce apparently 2012-12-30 last cvs entries says timeline
19:21 mircea_popescu this is promising. ty chan, and let it become part of the permanent record : more has been ruined by convenience than by any other sin.
19:22 asciilifeform like germans who carried captured russian 'limonka' grenades by their rings.
19:22 asciilifeform (german grenade had a convenient, almost identical ring that wasn't attached to the pin)
19:22 asciilifeform very convenient.
19:22 Naphex https://web.archive.org/web/20130202155024/http://www.openssl.org/source/repos.html - move to git
19:22 ozbot OpenSSL: Source, Repository
19:23 Naphex https://web.archive.org/web/20130102200332/http://www.openssl.org/source/repos.html - still cvs
19:23 mircea_popescu talk about a product that owns its market. the french f1
19:23 ozbot OpenSSL: Source, Repository
19:25 mircea_popescu well this has been quite the day hasn't it.
19:25 bounce bug introduced in 201112 says heartbleed.com, so in cvs
19:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00099727 = 14.261 BTC [-]
19:27 mircea_popescu bounce they may not be exactly right. this will take a lot of work.
19:27 Naphex http://cvs.openssl.org/timeline?d=30&e=2012-03-14&c=2&px=&s=1&dt=1&x=1&m=1&w=0 - Timeline
19:27 ozbot OpenSSL: CVS Web Interface
19:27 Naphex for the bug
19:28 Naphex the checkins for 14 Marhc
19:28 Naphex march even
19:29 Naphex http://cvs.openssl.org/chngview?cn=22271 - and this is the changeview
19:29 ozbot OpenSSL: CVS Web Interface
19:30 bounce I got http://cvs.openssl.org/chngview?cn=21898
19:30 Naphex pretty sneaky boundary check bug ;o
19:32 bounce that code looks familiar when comparing the attached patch to http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-security/2014-April/007405.html
19:33 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05499195 = 0.22 BTC [+]
19:34 bounce the guy's an academic with a bunch of publications and two rfcs to his name. time to send in some tin foil hats to check all that, too.
19:35 Naphex who, steve?:)
19:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 19 @ 0.01015789 = 0.193 BTC [-] {4}
19:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.0075 = 0.2625 BTC [+]
19:50 dexX7 http://i.imgur.com/5PHeaHu.png << this is what a vulnerable webwallet returns
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20:19 mircea_popescu dexX7 ouch.
20:31 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo "To understand this by repeating this, only 20 members have posted on the Big Rock Candy Foundation 's forum in the last six months."
20:32 mircea_popescu i wonder how many of them were me.
20:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.6 = 3.6 BTC [+]
20:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00579955 = 0.348 BTC [+] {4}
20:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1214 @ 0.00012673 = 0.1539 BTC [-] {2}
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21:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0075 = 0.225 BTC [+]
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21:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 572 @ 0.00080963 = 0.4631 BTC [-] {2}
21:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0477 = 0.2862 BTC [-] {2}
21:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05498993 = 0.22 BTC [+]
21:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23981 @ 0.00099374 = 23.8309 BTC [-] {2}
22:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.04771249 = 0.3817 BTC [-] {3}
22:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03372473 = 0.4047 BTC [+] {6}
22:17 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu I suspect they must have a seekrit forum, because You have more socks than that everywhere.
22:24 thestringpuller there should be a gpg encrypted bitcoin illuminati forum
22:25 thestringpuller only the cool kids are allowed to read and post
22:26 decimation "This issue did not affect the versions of openssl as shipped with Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 and Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.4 and earlier. This issue does affect Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.5, Red Hat Enterprise Virtualization Hypervisor 6.5, and Red Hat Storage 2.1, which provided openssl 1.0.1e."
22:28 decimation woe to those who upgrade
22:29 thestringpuller $depth mpoe
22:29 mpexbot thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['200 @ 0.00097812', '1000 @ 0.00096001', '1000 @ 0.00095001', '450 @ 0.00082', '4000 @ 0.0008101']
22:29 mpexbot thestringpuller: Asks: ['8926 @ 0.00098989', '3450 @ 0.00099914', '22218 @ 0.0009995', '16000 @ 0.0010045', '161792 @ 0.00101']
22:29 TestingUnoDosTre .d
22:29 ozbot 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 1481 blocks | Estimated Change: 1.4776% in 10d 2h 58m 7s
22:31 zacm The SEC has become “an agency that polices the broken windows on the street level and rarely goes to the penthouse floors,” Kidney said, according to a copy of his remarks obtained by Bloomberg News.
22:31 zacm Kidney said his superiors were more focused on getting high-paying jobs after their government service than on bringing difficult cases. The agency’s penalties, Kidney said, have become “at most a tollbooth on the bankster turnpike.”
22:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 200 @ 0.00097812 = 0.1956 BTC [-]
22:31 zacm http://bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-08/sec-goldman-lawyer-says-agency-too-timid-on-wall-street-misdeeds.html
22:31 ozbot SEC Goldman Lawyer Says Agency Too Timid on Wall Street Misdeeds - Bloomberg
22:31 zacm ra, ra, there's your "regulation"
22:31 decimation This is what happens when the USG pays peanuts for 'talent'
22:31 TestingUnoDosTre wow
22:32 TestingUnoDosTre easy explanation deicimation
22:33 decimation if you could double your income or better, which side of the fence would you play?
22:33 TestingUnoDosTre never getting a job at the SEC
22:33 nubbins` i knew a guy named kidney
22:33 nubbins` his wife was a kidney specialist
22:33 nubbins` no joke
22:34 decimation the other problem the SEC has is that thier lawyers are at best 'C' league compared to Goldman's army
22:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.58145351 = 9.8847 BTC [-] {6}
22:43 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.58 = 1.74 BTC [-] {2}
22:47 zacm what?! Don't Ivy League graduates at the top of their class look forward to that nice, lucrative SEC position?
22:47 zacm lol
22:48 TestingUnoDosTre Thats the thing, they would never go to the SEC in the first place
22:50 zacm better off having the dumber ones there anyway
22:51 decimation and that explains the workings of the USG
22:51 zacm more intelligent doesn't imply more benevolent
22:52 TestingUnoDosTre It's not like the USG can afford, or even needs to pay a high salary
22:53 decimation more intelligent implies more competent
22:53 TestingUnoDosTre think of positions like Senator , which makes like $175k or something.
22:53 TestingUnoDosTre There are MANY other perks
22:54 zacm competent to follow the incentives, like getting through the revolving door to a higher paying job, making deals along the way to do so
22:55 TestingUnoDosTre ok I acn't argue with that
22:56 decimation even ants follow incentives
23:04 thestringpuller !last m s.mpoe
23:04 assbot Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00097812 BTC [-]
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23:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0058 = 0.174 BTC [+]
23:25 benkay http://end-o.tumblr.com/post/80913546146
23:25 ozbot STEALTH
23:25 benkay or: http://wehadnoidea.tumblr.com/post/80908326562
23:25 asciilifeform wtf is that
23:26 punkman how do you even do that
23:29 benkay amazing cops
23:29 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
23:31 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05499195 = 0.5499 BTC [+]
23:32 BingoBoingo So... what Open source alternatives are there to OpenSSL which aren't as much of a bitch to read?
23:32 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: it's a bigger issue than one particular C turd
23:32 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Of course.
23:33 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: just about anything that involves a book-length standard, esp. with the familiar committees, is an inevitable turd.
23:33 BingoBoingo How is clisp's webserver on the SSL stuff
23:34 asciilifeform clisp as in 'common lisp' or the particular implementation thereof called 'clisp' ?
23:34 asciilifeform they're rather different things
23:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.01499918 = 0.15 BTC [-] {2}
23:35 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The particular implementation
23:35 asciilifeform never used it.
23:35 BingoBoingo Ah, I have yet to play with SBCL
23:35 asciilifeform 'clisp' is mostly used by people running 'exotica' (machines for which there is no 'sbcl')
23:36 asciilifeform it is dog-slow - exactly what unfortunates who went to uni for 'comp sci' expect a lisp to be like.
23:36 BingoBoingo I see. It's also the implementation "Land of Lisp" supposes for most of its exercises
23:37 asciilifeform most web crap in common lisp uses 'CL+SSL', an FFI wrapper of traditional openssl.
23:37 asciilifeform so they're as hosed as everyone
23:38 BingoBoingo Ah
23:39 BingoBoingo Seems the hardware aspects of Loper are only the beginnings of the mess
23:40 asciilifeform people have this very special facial expression they make when they finally understand what i've been arguing for
23:41 asciilifeform (tldr - pretend the last 40 years, other than semiconductor chemistry, never happened)
23:43 BingoBoingo But they happened because it is easy to "circle the wagons around the cesspool buying time to fish out another turd for sale"
23:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00579999 = 0.116 BTC [-]
23:52 BingoBoingo The state of the art from 1980 on 2004 semiconductors would be a hell of a thing to behold
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