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00:01	TestingUnoDosTre	and by "What" I mean, Why are there more bids between 405 to 400 than there are compared with 400 to 395
00:02	Duffer1	i think chatzilla knows it's about to be replaced
00:02	Duffer1	it's stopped wrapping text >.<
00:04	cazalla	MisterE: you know who runs CoinJar right?
00:04	cazalla	MisterE: https://blog.coinjar.com/2014/04/10/nab-bitcoin-and-you/
00:05	cazalla	We have 4 major banks in Australia, CJ has been kicked from 2 now, other being CommBank
00:06	nubbins`	i gotta say, i liked australia a lot more as a kid
00:06	MisterE	I gotta agree with that sentiment
00:11	cazalla	yeah, seems there is a disproportionate amount of bitcoin scammers from here
00:13	cazalla	one of the latest being some real estate hustler who was in the papers saying he was bringing 100 robocoins to australia
00:14	cazalla	he also ran a conference where last year he said the winklevoss twins were book, months pass and it was the winklevoss twins are a maybe, then it's deleted from the website and the headliner was jeffrey tucker instead lol
00:14	cazalla	were booked*
00:15	MisterE	at least you don't have her: http://gawker.com/this-is-the-florida-woman-behind-the-topless-mcdonalds-1561300866
00:16	nubbins`	crazy/10 would not do business with
00:17	artifexd	http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=456_1396780871 <- Uncensored video of it happening
00:17	ozbot	LiveLeak.com - Topless chick goes crazy in Mcdonalds
00:21	nubbins`	leel
00:21	nubbins`	actually crazy/10 would do business with
00:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 62 @ 0.0075 = 0.465 BTC [+]
00:30	nubbins`	;;later tell mike_c lel, eulorum.org is overrun with bot spam ;(
00:30	gribble	The operation succeeded.
00:30	Duffer1	blah is there no weechat for windows?
00:33	Duffer1	nm cygwin brb buying linux laptop >.<
00:33	nubbins`	you can buy linux laptops? ;D
00:34	Duffer1	i can buy a laptop and install linux over whatever it comes with
00:34	TestingUnoDosTre	chrometop?
00:34	nubbins`	that's not the same as buying a linux laptop
00:34	Duffer1	i looked at those but they max at 16gb
00:34	nubbins`	mostly because you're paying microsoft $25
00:35	Duffer1	if i bought it new sure, but i'm looking at used, something i5 i can throw an ssd in
00:36	nubbins`	ah, then you get a pass
00:36	nubbins`	:D
00:36	Duffer1	:)
00:36	Duffer1	so my only experience with linux was probably 15 years ago, and was redhat4dummies
00:36	nubbins`	dell will uninstall windows and refund you the $25, as long as you don't turn on your new laptop and pay shipping both ways
00:36	Duffer1	what do i want these days?
00:37	nubbins`	try ubuntu or mint
00:38	Duffer1	thanks
00:41	nubbins`	2:10am, time for sleep
00:41	mikaeldice	I can't wait for high resolution display support to become more common on desktop distros
00:42	mikaeldice	My lenovo yoga has a 3200x1800 display on 13", which most Linux distros look ridiculous on currently.. Good news is that a lot of the work is already done, just waiting to be included in distro repositories
00:43	mikaeldice	I think Ubuntu 14.04 will be the first if you don't want to pull a bleeding edge build for it
00:44	mikaeldice	Though I kind of dislike the more recent releases of ubuntu
00:45	Duffer1	downloading 13.1 atm from website
00:47	Duffer1	oo looks like i should wait for 14.04
00:47	cazalla	yeah, 15th i believe
00:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.5901003 = 11.802 BTC [-] {4}
00:49	TestingUnoDosTre	damn
00:51	benkay	been talking a lot lately about bsd
00:52	benkay	don' want no mo ssl holes like that one
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01:18	benkay	http://www.ricehadleygates.com/
01:18	ozbot	Rice Hadley Gates LLC | International Strategic Consulting Firm
01:18	benkay	i want an international strategic consulting firm!
01:26	mike_c	nubbins`: ok.. now you have to pick out cat photos to create an account.
01:40	mike_c	2,750 spam accounts created on eulorum. and mediawiki has no way to mass-delete users..
01:40	benkay	hahaha
01:41	benkay	sucker
01:41	benkay	uh so i'm no expert at these things
01:41	benkay	being barely capable at my chosen trade in "lisp etc etc
01:41	benkay	("lisp")
01:41	benkay	i've just started hacking on c and man is this shit miserable
01:42	mike_c	i'll have to figure out how to add blocks in sql. the admin interface is useless.
01:42	benkay	tee hee abstractions
01:42	MisterE	c is suck
01:42	benkay	i dunno man
01:42	benkay	mebbe i'm retarded
01:43	benkay	i dig the types for sure
01:43	benkay	but voof. buffers? in my face? all the time? surely this is not a good use of my brain.
01:47	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2460 @ 0.000064 = 0.1574 BTC [-]
01:57	fluffypony	benkay: that's the problem with being that low level
01:58	ThickAsThieves	how come china bans bitcoin every week?
01:58	ThickAsThieves	yet market always reacts
01:58	benkay	market consists of a few people trading over tin can telephones
01:59	benkay	;;ticker
01:59	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 411.26, Best ask: 412.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.74000, Last trade: 412.0, 24 hour volume: 15030.68265563, 24 hour low: 410.15, 24 hour high: 455.0, 24 hour vwap: 432.988977841
01:59	benkay	;;ticker --market all
01:59	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 412.0, vol: 15030.68265563 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 409.437, vol: 15238.11147 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 413.2, vol: 12040.28843127 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 438.2, vol: 130.58213779 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 397.7559, vol: 5608.52530000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 420.93994, vol: 5.30464706 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 429.195, vol: 83.16219237 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
01:59	benkay	411 you say.
01:59	fluffypony	and that's why I don't price watch
01:59	MisterE	not price watching is no fun
02:00	ThickAsThieves	buying is fun
02:00	MisterE	then you can't make moves and coin up
02:00	fluffypony	MisterE: I suck at trading
02:01	fluffypony	day trading doubly so
02:01	MisterE	I dont usually trade multiple times in a day
02:01	MisterE	maybe once a day
02:01	MisterE	trends I look for are ~24 hr
02:01	fluffypony	true
02:02	MisterE	just for play fun, I have other investments that are in cold storage
02:02	MisterE	troll the btce trollbox for a while :)
02:03	fluffypony	lol
02:03	fluffypony	the btc-e trollbox is an awful bunch of human beings
02:05	MisterE	truly
02:05	fluffypony	bought some of these to give to my parents and my in-laws: https://www.titanbtc.com/product/titan-one/
02:06	fluffypony	arrived yesterday
02:06	fluffypony	it arrives unfunded and you email them to "activate" it, then they fund ut
02:06	MisterE	I once made a retarded comment about "double inverted helix head & shoulders formation at the 3rd Fibonacci band formed" in trollbox
02:06	fluffypony	(to prevent it being lost in transit, presumably)
02:06	MisterE	I promptly got a PM asking me what this high tech investment analysis was
02:06	fluffypony	MisterE: LOL!
02:15	cazalla	fluffypony: why would you trust them?
02:15	fluffypony	cazalla: didn't see any negative reviews
02:15	fluffypony	and we wanted something presentation-y
02:16	cazalla	but how do you know they don't keep a copy of the private key?
02:16	fluffypony	we don't
02:16	fluffypony	there's a 2 factor authentication thing
02:16	fluffypony	https://www.titanbtc.com/titan-bitcoin-security/
02:18	fluffypony	I mean check
02:18	fluffypony	it's just a gift to them for fun that they may or may not be able to use one day
02:18	fluffypony	it's not to put someone's life savings into
02:23	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0549898 = 0.11 BTC [+] {2}
02:26		where's mircea?
02:28	fluffypony	[\\\]: sleeping?
02:29		I wanted to introduce him to a bunch of new friends
02:30		I name dropped the channel in #bitcoin-pricetalk
02:30	fluffypony	heh
02:31	akstunt600	oh hey fluffypony
02:31	fluffypony	hey akstunt600
02:31	akstunt600	thanks for the invite [\\\]
02:38		it wasn't a fucking invite
02:39		fluffypony, people don't know about /list *bitcoin*
02:39	fluffypony	people don't know about /list
02:39		sadly
02:40	keonne_	people don't know about irc in general
02:40	fluffypony	yeah
02:41	fluffypony	a lot of people think that mIRC *is* IRC
02:41	dub	sadly they now know about this channel
02:41	fluffypony	they have nfi about the underlying architecture or what services are available and what they do
02:41	keonne	dub: one insult from mirecea will probably change that
02:42	keonne	hows its going mr pony?
02:43	keonne	how is South Africa on this fine Thursday
02:43	fluffypony	keonne: not too bad
02:43	fluffypony	it's REALLY foggy today
02:43	fluffypony	I took a picture, will upload it in a bit
02:43	keonne	cool, i like pictures
02:43	keonne	especially of your wife
02:43	keonne	:p
02:43	fluffypony	we're like 1.2kms from shore, and the fog is right up at the house
02:43	fluffypony	lol
02:44	keonne	wow thats pretty crazy
02:44	keonne	Paris is bright and lovely
02:44	fluffypony	ah nice
02:44	keonne	I'm leaving today, back to soggy wet England
02:44	fluffypony	Paris is beautiful in the spring
02:44	keonne	it really is
02:44	fluffypony	lol
02:44	fluffypony	I could never live in England
02:45	keonne	i love England, but it is damp
02:45	fluffypony	I love the people and the culture, but the weather would make me sad
02:45	keonne	I'm from south Florida, and I hate the heat, so the mild weather is pretty nice
02:45	fluffypony	ah ok
02:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.056892 = 0.1138 BTC [+]
02:46	keonne	ok now to catch up on the logs
02:46	keonne	#bitcoin-assets is like a second job
02:46	MisterE	http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/04/whitehat-hacker-goes-too-far-gets-raided-by-fbi-tells-all/
02:46	ozbot	Whitehat hacker goes too far, gets raided by FBI, tells all | Ars Technica
02:47	MisterE	keonne: I went to HS in Miami also lived in Tampa and the keys for a while
02:49	fluffypony	MisterE: that guy is an idiot
02:49	fluffypony	'I basically "confessed" everything to the FBI already.'
02:49	fluffypony	you never talk to the cops!
02:49	MisterE	yea
02:49	keonne	MisterE: I went to Beach High
02:50	keonne	for 2 years anyway, before driopping out
02:50	MisterE	S. Miami Beach?
02:50	keonne	yep
02:50	keonne	c/o 2005
02:50	MisterE	I dropped after 2-years too
02:50	MisterE	got a GED
02:50	keonne	same
02:51	keonne	mircea_popescu: <mike_c> yes, it's not like france where they just take your whole paycheck and give you a few dollars a week for coffee and cigarettes. << zing lmao. what you say nao pankkake ? huh ? huh ?
02:51	keonne	i lol'd because so true
02:51	MisterE	heh, probably in NL too heh
02:52	keonne	MisterE: So you grew up in Miami?
02:53	MisterE	yea in my teens
02:54	MisterE	I was all around the grove and Kendall area
02:54	keonne	You seem like a smart guy, so i am assuming you left asap
02:54	keonne	that place is a pit
02:54	MisterE	yea just before andrew we got out lucky
02:54	MisterE	indeed I went back after and asked my friend why they were staying
02:55	keonne	oh wow, that is lucky. My dad was emergency services so we stayed during Andrew, was scary/fun
02:55	MisterE	oh, I was young then just lucky timing. But later I worked as a paramedic in the west for 3-years
02:56	keonne	Yeah I was young too, but I remember it pretty well... I remember the national guard closing streets down and what not
02:57	MisterE	Homestead, man never seen anything like that
02:57	keonne	yep
02:57	MisterE	I'd ben there before I knew it was trailer city
02:58	keonne	most of Florida is trailer city, bad move really considering there is a yearly fucking hurricane season, geniuses
02:58	MisterE	You know the joke about What do tornadoes and divorces in Kentucky have in common?
02:58	keonne	the sun does funny things to people
02:58	MisterE	could be FL
02:58	keonne	i dont know the joke
02:58	MisterE	indeed and back when I was a kid there was so much coke
02:58	MisterE	oh, either way someone loses a trailer...
02:58	keonne	there still is lol
02:58	keonne	haha
02:59	MisterE	lel
02:59	fluffypony	lol
03:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04763005 = 0.2382 BTC [-] {5}
03:00	keonne	18:44:21 asciilifeform: there was a great soviet cartoon about a kid who hates history class and then gets a time machine
03:01	keonne	18:44:35 asciilifeform: he goes back and kills... just about everyone he failed exams on
03:01	keonne	asciilifeform: i need to see this
03:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.04726788 = 0.4254 BTC [-] {5}
03:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 86 @ 0.04614534 = 3.9685 BTC [-] {9}
03:03	taub	one panic exhaustion to 350 please and strong reversal
03:03	keonne	ugh this robwhiz22 is making my head hurt
03:06	MisterE	taub: it's going to be like this until the 15th passes
03:07	keonne	^ agreed
03:08	keonne	mircea_popescu: most of the trilema that's not written in vi is written in nano
03:08	keonne	i also like nano, keeps it simple, and i don't need extra fucking thumbs
03:09	MisterE	nano and pico ++
03:10	MisterE	I dont really know the difference like wget and curl
03:11	keonne	wget is recursive
03:11	keonne	curl isnt
03:11	keonne	among other things
03:12	MisterE	i read wget was designed for really crappy connections
03:12	MisterE	maybe that means longer timeouts
03:13	keonne	God i am regretting all the whisky last night
03:13	keonne	i can smell it in my sweat and it is grossing me out
03:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05589301 = 0.1677 BTC [+]
03:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 20 @ 0.00529499 = 0.1059 BTC [+] {2}
03:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 50 @ 0.00529899 = 0.2649 BTC [+] {2}
03:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 18 @ 0.00717783 = 0.1292 BTC [+] {3}
03:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 151 @ 0.58505045 = 88.3426 BTC [-] {9}
03:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 52 @ 0.00208499 = 0.1084 BTC [+]
03:52	MisterE	https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/04/heartbleed.html
03:52	ozbot	Schneier on Security: Heartbleed
03:55	dub	herp de derp
04:05	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3505 @ 0.00096088 = 3.3679 BTC [-]
04:11	keonne	i hate that i have to sell bitcoin today :(
04:13	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.053845 = 0.2692 BTC [-]
04:15	jurov	;;later tell mikaeldice i resorted to running startx -- -dpi 200 with kde, it works quite nicely.
04:15	gribble	The operation succeeded.
04:16	fluffypony	keonne: yeah that's the worst
04:17	fluffypony	when it's low and you have to sell to cover expenses
04:17	fluffypony	:/
04:22	Apocalyptic	could be worse
04:23	keonne	yeah
04:23	keonne	its mildly annoying
04:27	BingoBoingo	https://bitcointa.lk/threads/coinjedi-betsofbitco-in-scammers-declares-push-on-obvious-win-for-bfl-bet.96820/page-18#post-5863694
04:27	ozbot	coinjedi / betsofbitco.in SCAMMERS: Declares "Push" on obvious win for BFL bet | Page 18 | Bitcoint
04:32	keonne	i hope china bans bitcoin again at the end of the month payday
04:33	BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all
04:33	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 414.1, vol: 22152.49644461 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 411.943, vol: 21222.59832 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 415.2, vol: 18674.85077075 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 425.0, vol: 137.01650657 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 405.72, vol: 6743.53190000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 420.0, vol: 8.00404786 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 428.352837, vol: 146.65163261 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
04:33	BingoBoingo	;;more
04:33	gribble	412.969298238
04:41	MisterE	http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/business/florida-bitcoin-case-tests-money-laundering-limits/articleshow/33515832.cms
04:44	jurov	;;bc,convert eur
04:45	gribble	1 BTC = 414.0 USD = 298.701 eur
04:45	MisterE	If you didn't already need a reason to DROP Dropbox: http://techcrunch.com/2014/04/09/condoleezza-rice-joins-dropboxs-board/
04:46	fluffypony	:(
04:46	fluffypony	I like DropBox
04:46	Apocalyptic	...
04:46	Apocalyptic	cloud storage is overrated
04:46	fluffypony	I mean, it's great for quick collaboration
04:47	fluffypony	Apocalyptic: yeah but I tried running ownCloud
04:47	fluffypony	and it was shit
04:59	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41350 @ 0.00096189 = 39.7742 BTC [+] {2}
05:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29852 @ 0.00096362 = 28.766 BTC [+] {3}
05:19	dexX7	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=325431.msg6153395#msg6153395 alberto is on the run as it seems
05:19	ozbot	labcoin lawsuit
05:23	fluffypony	meh
05:23	fluffypony	the only problem with keeping the details all out in the open is that he can see it
05:23	fluffypony	and stay ahead of them
05:24	dexX7	i assume what is posted there is the bare minimum
05:24	fluffypony	hopefullly
05:29	dub	i assume that IS alberto
05:29	fluffypony	dub: clever
05:29	fluffypony	very meta if it is
05:29	dub	its not 'meta' at all
05:30	dexX7	it's not
05:30	dexX7	his id was confirmed
05:31	fluffypony	dub: it would be - its a scammer scamming the scamhunters :-P
05:31	dub	just like you confirmed who labcoin was before investin
05:31	dexX7	:D
05:31	fluffypony	lol
05:31	fluffypony	"due diligence" much
05:40	dub	!t h am1
05:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.58000000 / 0.58934983 / 0.61000000 (209 shares, 123.17411349 BTC), 7D: 0.58000000 / 0.59094914 / 0.61889899 (326 shares, 192.64941846 BTC), 30D: 0.52200000 / 0.60916007 / 0.69510000 (2921 shares, 1779.35655173 BTC)
05:51	mircea_popescu	;;ticker
05:51	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 411.55, Best ask: 411.8, Bid-ask spread: 0.25000, Last trade: 411.8, 24 hour volume: 22673.97718376, 24 hour low: 400.11, 24 hour high: 453.96, 24 hour vwap: 423.36399149
05:53	dexX7	^ i guess china banned bitcoin again
06:05	fluffypony	go Australia: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/lifestyle/health/nhmrc-rule-homeopathic-remedies-useless-for-human-health/story-fni0diac-1226878166107
		~ 26 minutes ~
06:32	Mats_cd03	geez, the price keeps correcting each time i pick up more btc ;(
06:32	dexX7	before or after you bought? ;)
06:32	Mats_cd03	after hence the tear
06:32	dexX7	meh
06:33	Mats_cd03	im being punished for not using -otc
06:33	dexX7	how would -otc help in this case?
06:34	truffles	cheaper
06:34	Mats_cd03	it wouldn't, it would just be mildly cheaper
06:34	dexX7	ah
06:35	Apocalyptic	cheaper ?
06:35	Apocalyptic	otc usual rates are quite above the market price
06:36	truffles	u sure?
06:36	Apocalyptic	heh
06:36	Apocalyptic	i'm an op there and frequent trader, so yeah pretty muc
06:36	Apocalyptic	*much
06:36	truffles	so u know that coin guy pfff
06:36	Apocalyptic	I do
06:36	truffles	let me quote u what happened
06:37	truffles	we were talking about pool, and how he can get 1k per game easy etc
06:37	truffles	so obv he's some kinda pool shark/baller
06:37	Mats_cd03	;;tell benkay having adventures in C? me too we're bros
06:37	gribble	Error: I haven't seen benkay, I'll let you do the telling.
06:38	Apocalyptic	;;later tell
06:38	gribble	(later tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells <nick> <text> the next time <nick> is in seen. <nick> can contain wildcard characters, and the first matching nick will be given the note.
06:38	Mats_cd03	senkq
06:38	truffles	tell?
06:38	truffles	oh he failed nm
06:39	Mats_cd03	Apocalyptic: oh... i was under the impression it was
06:40	truffles	truffles> why is coingenuity on the phone with banks?
06:40	truffles	<coingenuity> truffles: because banks are banning bitcoin
06:40	truffles	<coingenuity> try sending money to an exchange right now ;)
06:40	truffles	<truffles> if ure into btc why do u still hold onto bank accounts..
06:40	truffles	<coingenuity> truffles: i run one of the biggest bitcoin companies
06:40	truffles	<truffles> well i hope ure on there all day
06:40	truffles	* ChanServ sets mode: +o coingenuity
06:40	truffles	* You were kicked by coingenuity (you're)
06:40	truffles	<truffles> cry about it more plz
06:40	truffles	<@coingenuity> truffles: i'm trying to warn you to behave
06:40	truffles	<truffles> u mean to stroke ur ego?
06:40	truffles	<@coingenuity> really, dude
06:40	truffles	<truffles> oh look at u, u have "power"
06:40	truffles	* You were kicked by coingenuity (come back when you can behave)
06:40	truffles	chat spame
06:40	truffles	so then i in #bitcoin i was like "why are u such a bitch" i think im banned there too
06:41	Apocalyptic	maybe if you would write properly it wouldn't have escalated that far
06:41	truffles	haha
06:41	Apocalyptic	cause as far as I can see that's what the first kick was for
06:41	truffles	if spelling gets u kicks heh
06:41	Duffer1	truffles<coingenuity> truffles: i run one of the biggest bitcoin companies >> wtf is coingenuity?
06:41	truffles	some baller
06:41	truffles	mod on otc
06:42	Apocalyptic	Duffer1, he's running coinabul
06:42	truffles	i think he's on some kinda power trip ya know
06:42	Duffer1	isee
06:44	truffles	"Coinabul has been ripping people off for a while." shit no wonder he can drop 1k a game
06:47	kakobrekla	power trip? more like acid trip
06:47	Apocalyptic	kako, you have some history with coingenuity ?
06:47	BingoBoingo	Power Acid!
06:48	kakobrekla	i dont think i do
06:48	truffles	not surprised he's not a reputable guy
06:49	truffles	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149253.msg2876339#msg2876339
06:49	ozbot	SCAM - Coinabul owe me 81btc
06:50	Diablo-D3	so Im signing up with bitpay
06:50	Diablo-D3	so I can accept bitcoin
06:51	Diablo-D3	I dunno, after all the years Ive been in the Bitcoin community, I just can't turn my back on everyone
06:51	truffles	bitcoin for?
06:52	truffles	thought u cashed out and now rolling in money piles
06:54	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/mpexrfc1/ << this is mpex' first rfc
06:55	ozbot	MPEx.RFC.1 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
06:55	mircea_popescu	so please to read and comment
06:56	mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 so you're averaging your cost down :D
06:56	mircea_popescu	<truffles> if spelling gets u kicks heh << dude i thought you were the english expert.
06:56	truffles	not on the internet
06:57	truffles	pretty sure id best u in something written in english for sure
06:57	mircea_popescu	on what, vellum ?
06:57	truffles	non pc topic
06:58	truffles	bring all ur minions too
06:58	truffles	prob not if one is english prof
06:59	mircea_popescu	mon minions font minette
07:03	pigeons	retro link of the day http://ripper234.com/p/why-i-trust-patrick-harnett/
07:05	mircea_popescu	lol
07:05	mircea_popescu	poor mr gross.
07:05	mircea_popescu	http://ripper234.com/p/mt-gox-is-probably-insolvent/
07:05	mircea_popescu	has learned so little over so long.
07:06	mircea_popescu	http://ripper234.com/p/why-i-trust-patrick-harnett/comment-page-1/#comment-33568 < with #assets link too.
07:08	dexX7	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=92279.0 "not a scam but failed business"
07:08	ozbot	Why I used to trust Patrick Harnett
07:08	mircea_popescu	oh i c.
07:08	mircea_popescu	the failed business of having lied through your teeth accidentally for great justice.
07:09	dexX7	last edit nov 17 2012 though
07:09	taub	MisterE> taub: it's going to be like this until the 15th passes
07:09	taub	whats on the 15th?
07:09	dexX7	china finally bans btc
07:09	mircea_popescu	mod6 dignork only noobs want windows ok cancel boxes! i want my client to damn well do what i tell it to.
07:09	mircea_popescu	keeps me on my toes.
07:09	pigeons	if you dont want pirate risk, i can tell you its not with pirate and pay you less
07:11	mircea_popescu	pigeons in a meta-sense, everyone that fucked up so far has been fucked by the same thing : failure to take btc seriously enough. be it the derps that still don't have any, harping about how it's just a fad and quoting tired beanie babies examples,
07:11	mircea_popescu	or on the other extreme patrick harnetts and other herps figuring "oh, it's jsut a small little thing, i'm much bigger than it so should be ok"
07:11	mircea_popescu	the whole spectrum seems to reduce to "didn't take it seriously enough"
07:15	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2584 @ 0.00014939 = 0.386 BTC [+] {2}
07:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22355 @ 0.00096159 = 21.4963 BTC [-]
07:16	bounce	no definite answer, but a few possibilities: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/10/pgp_email_leak_mystery_snowden_greenwald/
07:17	mircea_popescu	jborkl: We know how many btc there will be next year << he has it, btc supply is extremely well know. the function that stabilises the dishing out of btc over time has been EXTREMELY efficient so far, in spite of massive hashpower changes. i would say btc supply side is the best known of any material in history. including gold, which used to hold that distinction (which was a key to its monetization)
07:22	mircea_popescu	bounce i myself am happy with the "clueless woman, learned to use gpg last week, does not quite grok what keys are or how they work"
07:22	mircea_popescu	i have no idea how come they still give diplomas to lawyers and journalists that aren't fluent with gpg since their sophomore year, but hey.
07:23	bounce	because formalities and actual achievements are quite disconnected
07:23	mircea_popescu	mike_c: for instance, mp has a bunch of coins. they are not supply because they are not for sale. << they are supply even if they are not for sale. review Wickard v. Filburn :D
07:25	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2014#612648 << still empty log lines ?! kakobrekla omg
07:25	ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log
07:26	truffles	maybe he's busy
07:26	Apocalyptic	he's editing the shit out of it
07:26	truffles	lol
07:27	mircea_popescu	lol
07:27	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: wrt not taking it seriously - not sure about other countries, but we have a new (2009) act here that says that a director will be liable for losses suffered by the company as a result of the director having taken or failed to act against certain unauthorised or unlawful actions and situations
07:27	mircea_popescu	cazalla the life of the p t barnum promoter of roadside attractions is a precarious one.
07:27	kakobrekla	http://shrani.si/f/2o/J/Rgy8g6Y/log.png
07:28	mircea_popescu	fluffypony pretty sure that was the case before 2009, both in common and civil law jurisdictions.
07:28	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: not in South Africa
07:28	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla o wow he just pasted teh empty ? nm then
07:28	fluffypony	was pretty much the wild west here
07:28	mircea_popescu	fluffypony ah ah, ok.
07:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45600 @ 0.00096168 = 43.8526 BTC [+]
07:30	mircea_popescu	actually eulorum.org doesn't even load.
07:31	mircea_popescu	mikaeldice: Though I kind of dislike the more recent releases of ubuntu << word.
07:32	wywialm	hello all
07:32	mircea_popescu	[\\\] i am here.
07:32	mircea_popescu	hi wy
07:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00096159 = 4.5195 BTC [-]
07:34	mircea_popescu	aww dub why so sour ? noobs taste good.
07:39	Mats_cd03	mircea_popescu is in high spirits today
07:39	Mats_cd03	did you get an afternoon bj
07:41	mircea_popescu	i just woke up.
07:41	mircea_popescu	keonne: #bitcoin-assets is like a second job << first job for most people here.
07:42	truffles	so ure a morning person eh
07:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.58 = 9.28 BTC [-] {3}
07:43	mircea_popescu	for some definitions of morning.
07:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.0056675 = 0.136 BTC [-] {2}
07:44	mircea_popescu	MisterE guy is definitely lying. had he made that reddit post BEFORE having tried to steal the data rather than as a coverup afterthought, all'd hgave been well.
07:45	truffles	some ppl r like zombies in the morning
07:46	mircea_popescu	yes, but those aren't the people that never woke up with a timer in their life.
07:47	truffles	orly
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08:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.60950995 = 13.4092 BTC [+] {9}
08:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 40 @ 0.61903286 = 24.7613 BTC [+] {11}
08:11	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.62 = 6.82 BTC [+]
08:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.610004 = 6.1 BTC [-] {2}
08:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.60002145 = 1.8001 BTC [-] {2}
08:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.60000001 = 1.2 BTC [-]
08:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.6 = 2.4 BTC [-]
08:38	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7861 @ 0.00096168 = 7.5598 BTC [+]
08:42	thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: you still around?
08:43	mircea_popescu	ya
08:44	thestringpuller	from trilema: MPEx webservers will have to keep a copy of the database. This is practically unavoidable (I think) because of two things : you.d like to be able to issue account statements for customers when they want, rather than when you get around to itviii and you.d like to pipe trade data into other services (like twitter, assbot on #bitcoin-assets etc).
08:45	thestringpuller	does this mean that each webserver holds trade data?
08:46	mircea_popescu	pretty much
08:46	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2500 @ 0.00009082 = 0.2271 BTC [+] {3}
08:48	thestringpuller	oh for STAT
08:48	thestringpuller	i see...
08:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05565641 = 0.2783 BTC [+] {4}
08:51	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05567526 = 0.167 BTC [+] {2}
08:53	nubbins`	truffles, speeling = improtant
08:54	nubbins`	;;later tell mike_c cats? now I'M signing up for multiple accounts :D
08:54	gribble	The operation succeeded.
08:54	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: inexplainably is, inexplicably, not a word
08:56	fluffypony	that's unexplendifirous
08:58	nubbins`	i think the word you're looking for is cromulent
08:58	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: +1 for lost-key safeguard process, that's clever
09:11	kakobrekla	ok lel
09:11	kakobrekla	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563303.0
09:11	ozbot	Invest Bitcoins due to launch shortly!
09:12	fluffypony	shut up and take my money!
09:12	Mats_cd03	does gpg timestamping continue to be an issue?
09:13	Apocalyptic	seriously...
09:13	Apocalyptic	"i don't have any idea about wtf i'm doing"
09:13	kakobrekla	me neither
09:13	pankkake	GPG puts timestamps in signatures?
09:14	nubbins`	"The investment is more for people who want to safeguard BTC at the current prices"
09:15	nubbins`	so it's just like cashing out, but instead of cashing out into your local currency, you cash out into indian government bonds
09:15	nubbins`	sounds like a win-win-win
09:15	Mats_cd03	pankkake: http://trilema.com/2014/mpexrfc1/
09:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00096168 = 10.6746 BTC [+]
09:16	Mats_cd03	> Because of inherited weakness from pgp’s own timestamping, there is currently no reliable way to resolve time disputes : the client can very well present his own version (as included in the signed material), MPEx will present its own version (as reflected by when it has seen the order) and no further progress can be made (for which reason MPEx’
09:16	Mats_cd03	determination is final).
09:16	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00096168 = 6.4433 BTC [+]
09:17	nubbins`	wait a minute, i know why i'm so bleary
09:17	*	nubbins` makes coffee
09:18	Mats_cd03	only pakistani govt bonds are more safe
09:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05566999 = 0.1113 BTC [-]
09:19	pankkake	and don't confuse them with pankkistani bonds
09:19	Mats_cd03	weak
09:20	nubbins`	http://www.tradingeconomics.com/france/government-bond-yield
09:20	ozbot	France Government Bond 10Y | Actual Data | Forecasts | Calendar
09:20	nubbins`	yup
09:20	nubbins`	;D
09:26	danielpbarron	"please learn to read. this coin is about raising awareness for rap music and rap victims. it's not about promoting rap. why would anyone do this? you're a sick person."
09:27	pankkake	what
09:27	truffles	tupac?
09:27	danielpbarron	a stupid altcoin, but i think the OP is trolling
09:27	danielpbarron	"yes. a launch. we have a coin, a website, a twitter, facebook, g+ profile, a windows wallet, no real concept and of course no innovation. everything you need for a great coin. this coin has muy potentialones."
09:28	pankkake	to the hood!
09:28	danielpbarron	made me laugh out loud when I read "rap victims"
09:28	MisterE	maybe it was typo
09:29	fluffypony	"muy potentialones"
09:30	truffles	pantalones
09:30	fluffypony	danielpbarron: definitely trolling
09:30	fluffypony	I mean, it's called RAPe
09:30	fluffypony	"Rap(e)Coin: the rap coin that's not about rape because rape is bad and rap isn't"
09:30	kakobrekla	lol
09:30	danielpbarron	lolol
09:31	kakobrekla	is this one of the Rap-e-ghosts thingy
09:31	nubbins`	better get ultimate scammer rg on the line to find out
09:31	fluffypony	LOL kakobrekla
09:31	nubbins`	;;rated rg
09:31	gribble	You rated user rg on Wed Feb 26 10:45:04 2014, with a rating of -2, and supplied these additional notes: tried to stiff me on payment for some design work.
09:32	danielpbarron	what's the deal with trezor? I'm gonna assume it's not as good as cardano will be?
09:33	danielpbarron	or should I not even be comparing these things?
09:33	kakobrekla	its good to asume its not even close to being the same thing
09:33	kakobrekla	assume
09:33	fluffypony	if you assume you make an ASS out of U and ME
09:33	fluffypony	*du-du-dish*
09:34	danielpbarron	i guess what I mean is, ... ultimately this is about securing BTC right? is trezor any good at that?
09:35	kakobrekla	cardano does not hold bitcoin private keys
09:35	danielpbarron	from what I understand, a lot of the cardano research is getting the right hardware RNG; is trezor up to the same standard?
09:36	kakobrekla	as to rng on trezor
09:36	kakobrekla	they use deterministic wallets afaik
09:37	danielpbarron	does that mean the user programs it?
09:37	kakobrekla	you supply the 12 or whatever words to make the seed from which all the future bitcoin key pairs are generated
09:38	danielpbarron	if I can type in the 12 words somehow, that's pretty cool
09:39	danielpbarron	otherwise, I don't think I can trust that little thing to make a secure enough seed
09:39	kakobrekla	its cool until it isnt.
09:39	danielpbarron	yeah it makes me suspicious when everyone is hyping it up and it's still on pre-order; sounds a lot like BFL
09:40	danielpbarron	"give us BTC today and maybe we'll ship you a product next year"
09:40	kakobrekla	thats trezor
09:40	danielpbarron	right, that's what I mean
09:40	kakobrekla	bfl is "give us btc and fuck you."
09:40	danielpbarron	lol
09:41	pLambert	has BitVPS buyout been discussed here yet? A big FU to all the shareholders
09:41	kakobrekla	what buyout?
09:41	pLambert	they are buying back shares based on the past couple dividends
09:42	Mats_cd03	3btc is just a ridiculous cost imo
09:42	kakobrekla	dunno havent been following that story
09:42	pLambert	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141262.msg6151254#msg6151254
09:42	ozbot	[BTC-TC] BitVPS
09:42	Mats_cd03	im not stingy, but its unnecessary
09:42	danielpbarron	2 BTC is ridic for an aluminium upgrade, Mats_cd03
09:43	danielpbarron	Mats_cd03: I don't mind it costing a lot, but it's insulting to say that using aliminum costs 2 BTC more than using plastic
09:43	kakobrekla	>>I invested 700 dollars, and you think I can be content with your forced 20 dollars buy-back?
09:43	kakobrekla	I would have been less offended if you had just said "Fuck you, I'm keeping your money."
09:43	kakobrekla	--
09:43	kakobrekla	lel
09:44	fluffypony	what have the dividends been like over the period? I take it not enough to cover the original investment?
09:48	danielpbarron	I am the issuer of the #5 ranked asset in counterparty :D
09:49	fluffypony	wd danielpbarron
09:49	pLambert	They keep saying "we are investing in more hardware, so dividends are low this month", then for the buyback they ignore all the hardware they just bought
09:50	danielpbarron	ty, fluffypony; I've got the market cap up to a record breaking 0.52 XCP
09:50	pLambert	arij: want to comment on this?
09:50	danielpbarron	pLambert: is this a mining company?
09:50	pLambert	BitVPS is a hosting company
09:50	danielpbarron	oh
09:51	pankkake	danielpbarron: is it something real?
09:51	pLambert	imagine if Warren Buffet wanted to buy shares of his company back based onthe dividends: $0.00 to you, shareholders
09:51	danielpbarron	pankkake: sorta, I backed my asset with a currency from a video game
09:52	pankkake	bitvps was profit shares though
09:53	danielpbarron	I'm doing it just for fun; trying out the protocol
09:54	benkay	thestringpuller: ping
10:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.054988 = 0.3299 BTC [-]
10:17	benkay	last bitvps statement was december?
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10:34	danielpbarron	what's the most influential group of bitcoiners? the devs, the miners, or whatever you call the individuals who own a lot of BTC
10:35	benkay	some in this channel would hold it to be this channel
10:35	benkay	miners are influential in that txns that adhere to 0.6 rules will probably always get relayed
10:35	pankkake	define influential
10:36	benkay	devs, unles you're talking about conformal, don't really do much other than implement dirty code into bitcoin-qt
10:36	pankkake	transaction/network wise, both miners *and* public nodes. devs, nothing really, as it is with all open source software
10:37	danielpbarron	i've been tempted into thinking it was the devs and then the miners that had all the power
10:37	danielpbarron	but now I'm leaning to that other group, the group i'm not sure what to call
10:38	benkay	"powerful"'s a good start.
10:38	danielpbarron	"holders" ?
10:38	danielpbarron	venture capitalists? or just capitalists?
10:38	benkay	*shrug*
10:38	benkay	power comes in many forms.
10:38	benkay	sometimes it looks like btc, sometimes it looks like hashes...
10:39	danielpbarron	pankkake is right about devs, it's open source stuff
10:39	danielpbarron	so then why not the miners? and keep in mind I mean the pool operators, not the guy in his basement
10:39	pankkake	pool operators are highly dependent on their users, as it is very easy to migrate
10:40	danielpbarron	yep
10:40	benkay	everyone forced to more or less play the same way
10:40	pankkake	but, at least for now, miners don't really care about pool transaction policies
10:40	danielpbarron	they sorta do, or at least, they do when they are also a dev
10:40	danielpbarron	i can think of 1 example
10:45	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7500 @ 0.00013209 = 0.9907 BTC [-] {14}
10:45	benkay	care to share, danielpbarron ?
10:46	danielpbarron	what? which dev is also a miner?
10:46	danielpbarron	is that not common knowledge?
10:47	benkay	oh, i thought you had an example of someone who cares about txn rules
10:47	benkay	and like maybe why and some other context
10:47	benkay	high hopes :(
10:47	danielpbarron	i do
10:48	danielpbarron	at the risk of starting the whole argument over again, the context is counterparty / mastercoin and the OP_RETURN controversy
10:48	benkay	oh sounds popcorny
10:48	danielpbarron	very
10:48	benkay	what is this controversy?
10:49	danielpbarron	counterparty stores its data in the Blockchain and the devs don't like this
10:49	danielpbarron	that's the tl;dr
10:49	benkay	what's the controversy over op_return?
10:49	pankkake	storage is a cost, and no one's rewarded for storing
10:49	danielpbarron	OP_RETURN is a place to store extra data in a transaction
10:50	pankkake	that's why transactions should be as small as possible
10:50	danielpbarron	ya, what pankkake said
10:50	pankkake	I wonder if I can easily make my public nodes stop relaying OP_RETURN :)
10:50	danielpbarron	full nodes should get most of the transaction fees, but they get nothing
10:51	danielpbarron	anyway my point is, there is controversy over transaction rules, so miners have so influence in that regard
10:51	benkay	whoa you can store data in the blockchain without paying?
10:51	danielpbarron	benkay: sorta
10:51	benkay	do elaborate i'd be much obliged
10:51	pankkake	miners get paid, not "storers"
10:51	danielpbarron	benkay: you pay, but the payment doesn't go to those actually doing the heavy lifting
10:51	benkay	oh
10:51	benkay	eh fuck 'em
10:51	benkay	blockchain's a nightmare anyways
10:52	benkay	miners get paid right?
10:52	benkay	that's all i care about.
10:52	pankkake	for me, bitcoin is terabytes of bandwith per month - I don't mind as it's almost free, but don't make the madness worse
10:52	nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/morgentaler-abortion-clinic-in-fredericton-to-close-1.2604535
10:52	ozbot	Morgentaler abortion clinic in Fredericton to close - New Brunswick - CBC News
10:52	danielpbarron	yeah but they don't need the payment; they don't mine for profit anyway
10:52	danielpbarron	hey some good news!
10:52	benkay	miners don't mine for profit?
10:52	benkay	news to me.
10:52	danielpbarron	i believe miners mine for network control
10:53	jurov	pankkake meant nonminer nodes
10:53	benkay	the state sponsored ones definitely
10:53	jurov	i don't mind a terabyte per month,too but 10TB or more... um
10:53	danielpbarron	some individuals profit i guess, if they get really cheap electricity and make their own boards
10:53	benkay	this is one of those things about bitcoin. staging on the blockchain is just going to get more and more painfully expensive.
10:53	benkay	staying*
10:53	pankkake	yeah I think I'm capped at 6TB
10:54	benkay	either you'll pay for the privilege or you won't.
10:54	benkay	end of story.
10:54	danielpbarron	benkay: what do you mean "staying on the blockchain?"
10:54	Apocalyptic	how so benkay ?
10:54	benkay	staying up to date
10:54	Apocalyptic	the maximum potential blockchain growth rate is well known
10:54	danielpbarron	storage space is trivial
10:54	Apocalyptic	thanks for the block size limit
10:54	danielpbarron	the issue isn't hard drive space
10:54	Apocalyptic	it's just some gigs/year
10:55	benkay	we're talking about the mem pool, though, right?
10:55	danielpbarron	hard drive space is only an issue to those trying to take a principled stand on not storing content to which they personally object
10:55	benkay	txns in flight is the topic, though, correct?
10:55	Apocalyptic	<benkay> we're talking about the mem pool, though, right? // you can choose not to query peers for tx data
10:56	Apocalyptic	and only get blocks I think
10:56	benkay	so do that
10:56	danielpbarron	benkay: because OP_RETURN is too small to store counterparty data, they use multi-sig addresses instead, and that uses up memory
10:56	benkay	memory where for whom in what part of the process
10:56	danielpbarron	full nodes
10:57	danielpbarron	full nodes have to keep those addresses in memory as outputs that might get spent in future transactions
10:58	benkay	when do they need that? when validating a new block?
10:58	danielpbarron	when validating transactions
10:58	danielpbarron	full nodes are not miners and miners are not full nodes
10:58	Apocalyptic	he knows that
10:58	danielpbarron	there might be some overlap
10:58	Apocalyptic	but full nodes don't need mempool data for validating blocks
10:58	benkay	so take a counterparty transaction
10:58	danielpbarron	i might be explaining some technical details incorrectly; i'm not a dev
10:58	benkay	has it been confirmed yet?
10:59	benkay	let's tell a little story and try to work through this
10:59	benkay	start with a counterparty txn. is this thing in flight or has it confirmed?
10:59	dexX7	1. metacoins and the utxo set: http://i.imgur.com/c9mpd8h.png, 2. what is way more "avoidable" than multisigs is the creation of multiple unspent outputs "to have free outputs ready" (@ xcp) x_x
11:01	danielpbarron	i'm on the side of counterparty if I had to choose, i think the decentralized exchange is a great idea
11:02	thestringpuller	danielpbarron: oh boo another glbse investor
11:02	danielpbarron	i never used that site
11:02	benkay	he's underwriting, thestringpuller
11:02	thestringpuller	exchanges will always be centralized things, there can be multiple exchanges
11:02	benkay	thestringpuller: ping ping ping ping ping
11:02	danielpbarron	i think there is room for both centralized and decentralized
11:02	thestringpuller	but each excahnge is centralized as you will always trust the issuer
11:02	dexX7	benkay: think of "let's create new transaction types and coins, encode the transaction information and store it on the blockchain as pubkeys in multisig transaction outputs"
11:02	thestringpuller	you will always have to trust the issuer*
11:03	danielpbarron	i get that, thestringpuller
11:03	Apocalyptic	oh "decentralized exchange" idea again ?
11:03	*	Apocalyptic grabs some popcorn
11:04	danielpbarron	s/idea/reality/g
11:05	thestringpuller	i feel a decentralized exchange would be littered with scams
11:05	danielpbarron	so?
11:05	danielpbarron	just like everywhere else
11:05	thestringpuller	so you want an exchange for scams?
11:05	danielpbarron	you want to throw the baby out with the bathwater?
11:05	fluffypony	http://revicharger.com
11:05	benkay	hang on this topic is stupid and boring and you're all stupid and boring for engaging in it
11:05	fluffypony	that's actually quite clever
11:05	danielpbarron	Bitcoin has enabled scams, so what?
11:05	thestringpuller	s.dice was teh closest thing to a scam no mpex...
11:05	thestringpuller	every other play exchange has had multiple scams...
11:06	danielpbarron	s.dice was a scam?
11:06	benkay	i want to know more about these memory requirements imposed by mastercoin
11:06	thestringpuller	like the ratio of scam to actual businesses was too damn high
11:06	danielpbarron	from what I read, S.DICE was managed very well
11:06	danielpbarron	benkay: why mastercoin? counterparty is live and working
11:06	benkay	counterparty whatever pedant
11:07	benkay	i lose track of all the colored coin implementations
11:08	danielpbarron	well, I'm not 100% behind the DEX; I understand the arguments against it, and it's not the end of my world if the devs figure out a way to stop it
11:08	kanzure	to be even more pedantic, counterparty isn't a colored coin implementation
11:08	kanzure	(don't kill me)
11:08	benkay	so you can't possibly be telling me that a full node needs to hold the whole bc in memory to do its job
11:08	benkay	is that so?
11:08	benkay	<-- does not run nodes
11:08	dexX7	the complaint was the amount of unspent outputs/utxo bloat created by those transactions - the argument fails because those unspent outputs are actually spendable and spent frequently
11:09	kanzure	the counterparty reference implementation requires a full bitcoin node with -txindex enabled
11:09	kanzure	so often this means reindexing the blockchain for nodes that haven't been using -txindex
11:09	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11111 @ 0.00096168 = 10.6852 BTC [+]
11:09	kanzure	uh i wonder if -txindex is the right parameter. hrm. it's the one about indexing.
11:10	kanzure	anywho then the counterparty server sends getrawtransaction messages over rpc to the bitcoin node for every transaction since the burn period began
11:10	dexX7	you don't need to hold everything in memory, but there is a database with all unspent outputs. more outputs = delayed lookup
11:10	fluffypony	lol
11:11	fluffypony	my wife is talking about going to the US at some stage
11:11	fluffypony	"we must go to all 50 states. Except Alaska. Alaska isn't going to be nice."
11:11	danielpbarron	well i've seen plenty of individuals storing data in other ways, like using the last 4 or 5 decimal places of a balance to encode data
11:12	danielpbarron	the US kinda sucks; if you aren't here already, don't come
11:12	danielpbarron	not worth the risk of possibly not being allowed to leave
11:12	truffles	get items stolen at tsa
11:13	danielpbarron	get poisoned with crappy food, drugged water, groped by the "authorities," wealth confiscated because you probably sold drugs to get it
11:13	danielpbarron	or you're a terrorist
11:13	danielpbarron	honest individuals don't need money; Big Brother feeds them
11:14	kakobrekla	;;ticker
11:14	fluffypony	danielpbarron: she meant for holiday, we would never move there
11:14	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 398.55, Best ask: 399.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.45000, Last trade: 400.0, 24 hour volume: 27083.22463861, 24 hour low: 398.55, 24 hour high: 446.97, 24 hour vwap: 417.472358929
11:14	danielpbarron	fluffypony: i know what you meant; don't do it
11:14	danielpbarron	for all of the above reasons
11:14	truffles	he'll have a great time let him go
11:14	danielpbarron	heh ok; just speaking from my own experience
11:14	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.58002 = 8.7003 BTC [-] {4}
11:14	fluffypony	lol
11:14	fluffypony	the food is crappy
11:15	fluffypony	when I said that on Reddit ages ago I got attacked by apologists
11:15	Apocalyptic	dat dive
11:15	danielpbarron	there are ways to get non-crappy food but you have to know what you're doing
11:15	danielpbarron	and you probably have to avoid some taxes to afford it
11:16	fluffypony	danielpbarron: yeah that's what I figured
11:16	fluffypony	oh look, welcome to the magical 400.00
11:16	danielpbarron	:O
11:17	danielpbarron	bitcoinaverage says 389
11:17	danielpbarron	damn
11:17	taub	its on
11:17	fluffypony	ouch
11:17	fluffypony	yeah just took a nose dive down
11:17	danielpbarron	i guess those peeps who were bugging me to buy the other day are happy now
11:17	benkay	no demand :)
11:17	benkay	bitcoin's a scam
11:18	fluffypony	benkay: I thought it was a ponzi scheme?
11:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.00096241 = 26.37 BTC [+] {2}
11:19	kanzure	i'm making a collection of overly-enthusiastic claims about bitcoin
11:19	kanzure	i'm open to suggestions for what content to include
11:20	fluffypony	kanzure: this is GOOD news!
11:20	kanzure	i want the stuff that will still found funny even if bitcoin does eat up the world
11:20	kanzure	like this one: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bitcoin/fanaticism/if-i-was-chairman-of-the-fed.yaml
11:20	danielpbarron	lol
11:21	danielpbarron	"If I was Chairman of the U.S. Federal Reserve, the most powerful central bank in the world, I would be buying bitcoin like mad."
11:21	danielpbarron	LIKE MAD, YO
11:21	fluffypony	almost buttcoins http://i.imgur.com/6GhqT4q.jpg
11:21	nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/patrick-brazeau-suspended-senator-arrested-in-gatineau-1.2605159
11:21	ozbot	Patrick Brazeau, suspended senator, arrested in Gatineau - Ottawa - CBC News
11:21	kanzure	personally i think all bitcointalk.org posts should start with "Yo,"
11:21	danielpbarron	haha i've probably been on that train, looks like MTA
11:22	nubbins`	from law-school dropout to canadian senator to strip club manager
11:22	nubbins`	GREAT SENATE PICK, HARPER
11:22	kanzure	what's wrong with running a strip club?
11:22	nubbins`	nothing
11:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00096159 = 17.0201 BTC [-]
11:23	kanzure	oh i see, i should have asked what's wrong with the senate =)
11:23	nubbins`	EVERYTHING
11:23	nubbins`	seriously. the senate. highest judicial body in the country. guy gets fired for being a shitbag, and the best job he can scrounge together after that is putting together the weekly schedule at the fuckin Bare Fax
11:24	nubbins`	almost makes you think he shouldn't have been appointed to the senate in the first place
11:24	danielpbarron	"The banks would be saved because people would be borrowing as much money as possible in order to buy bitcoin." <-- ...
11:24	thestringpuller	bet closed
11:24	thestringpuller	;;ticker
11:24	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 390.0, Best ask: 390.1, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 390.0, 24 hour volume: 30204.17198800, 24 hour low: 382.7, 24 hour high: 446.97, 24 hour vwap: 413.134967346
11:24	kanzure	danielpbarron: this is the sort of hyper-fanatacism that i am seeking
11:24	danielpbarron	one-of-a-kind stupidity there
11:29	BingoBoingo	;;ticker
11:29	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 385.52, Best ask: 389.82, Bid-ask spread: 4.30000, Last trade: 385.51, 24 hour volume: 30635.18837803, 24 hour low: 382.7, 24 hour high: 446.97, 24 hour vwap: 412.975167632
11:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 101 @ 0.05454506 = 5.5091 BTC [-] {3}
		~ 17 minutes ~
12:00	ThickAsThieves	;;market buy 10000
12:00	gribble	Bitstamp | A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 4496710.4412 USD and would take the last price up to 520.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 449.6710 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 232.9129 seconds
12:00	ThickAsThieves	;;market buy 25000
12:00	gribble	Bitstamp | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 24098.515 bitcoins, for a total of 17899251.1321 USD and take the price to 99999.9900. | Data vintage: 0.0374 seconds
12:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.14857344 BTC to 7`663 shares, 41088 satoshi per share
12:00	ThickAsThieves	lol
12:00	ThickAsThieves	;;market buy 15000
12:00	gribble	Bitstamp | A market order to buy 15000 bitcoins right now would take 7503392.7506 USD and would take the last price up to 655.6800 USD, resulting in an average price of 500.2262 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 18.2787 seconds
12:01	ThickAsThieves	;;market buy 20000
12:01	gribble	Bitstamp | A market order to buy 20000 bitcoins right now would take 11195529.8825 USD and would take the last price up to 849.9800 USD, resulting in an average price of 559.7765 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 25.9547 seconds
12:01	ThickAsThieves	;;market buy 22500
12:01	gribble	Bitstamp | A market order to buy 22500 bitcoins right now would take 13607783.7198 USD and would take the last price up to 1075.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 604.7904 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 45.7563 seconds
12:01	ThickAsThieves	;;market buy 23500
12:01	gribble	Bitstamp | A market order to buy 23500 bitcoins right now would take 14785226.8837 USD and would take the last price up to 1299.9800 USD, resulting in an average price of 629.1586 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 59.7878 seconds
12:03	ThickAsThieves	so about 24k coins on the market
12:03	benkay	http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303873604579492364231819656?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702303873604579492364231819656.html
12:03	ozbot	Weak Chinese Trade Data Cloud Growth Hopes - WSJ.com
12:04	dvsdude	Stephen Colbert will succeed David Letterman as host of 'The Late Show'
12:04	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00096323 = 12.233 BTC [+] {2}
12:05	ThickAsThieves	that works
12:05	ThickAsThieves	letterman is boring as shit
12:05	ThickAsThieves	too bad theyll suck the sould out of colbert
12:06	benkay	colbert and stewart's shows are utterly inane
12:06	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.05372855 = 0.3761 BTC [-] {3}
12:10	MisterE	;;ticker --market all
12:10	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 394.01, vol: 32951.86032124 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 390.1, vol: 22796.91906 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 392.749, vol: 30240.18749975 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 410.01, vol: 129.0017673 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 393.274998, vol: 7320.90170000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 404.94534, vol: 10.79592654 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 391.7544, vol: 226.91088511 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
12:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1817 @ 0.00007206 = 0.1309 BTC [-] {3}
12:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0520112 = 0.156 BTC [-]
12:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0520112 = 0.104 BTC [-]
12:33	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0520112 = 0.104 BTC [-]
12:39	BingoBoingo	!t h neobeeq
12:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK:NEOBEEQ] 1D: 0.00006400 / 9.041E-5 / 0.00013699 (62600 shares, 5.65942599 BTC), 7D: 0.00000001 / 0.00014715 / 0.00045000 (549731 shares, 80.89403744 BTC), 30D: 0.00000001 / 0.0012483 / 0.00439999 (873212 shares, 1090.03105206 BTC)
12:44	benkay	!t h rent
12:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00750000 / 0.0075 / 0.00750000 (100 shares, 0.75000000 BTC), 7D: 0.00750000 / 0.0075 / 0.00750000 (2267 shares, 17.00250000 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00700671 / 0.00750000 (27302 shares, 191.29708437 BTC)
12:44	benkay	how long does this one go for?
12:45	pLambert	until the end of the month, I think
12:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.052011 = 0.156 BTC [-]
12:51	benkay	;;cal 17.00250000/2267
12:51	gribble	Error: "cal" is not a valid command.
12:51	benkay	;;calc 17.00250000/2267
12:51	gribble	0.0075
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13:13	keonne	keonne: #bitcoin-assets is like a second job << first job for most people here. i see that, at least im honest, maybe one day i will be able to afford the trading platform fee and have my mind warped enough to warrant a spot in the full time club
13:13	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40321 @ 0.00095724 = 38.5969 BTC [-] {4}
13:14	keonne	er meant to tab mircea
13:15	nubbins`	what in the fuck is a job
13:16	keonne	honestly my job doesnt feel like a job, so i guess im lucky there
13:16	keonne	also h8 at nubbins`
13:16	nubbins`	don't h8, m8
13:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1136 @ 0.00014711 = 0.1671 BTC [+]
13:16	keonne	since in my mind hes lounging in a pool flush with btc and pussy in the virgin islands
13:17	keonne	dont ruin the image, i want to be you
13:17	truffles	haha
13:17	truffles	cept he lives in frozen canada :D
13:17	keonne	oh dear
13:17	keonne	but aye on the pools of btc and pussy
13:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 864 @ 0.00014984 = 0.1295 BTC [+] {5}
13:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.00078399 = 0.196 BTC [+] {2}
13:19	truffles	pussy is so overrated anus is where its at
13:20	dignork	mircea_popescu, it's just a sensible default, which can be changed via weechat.look.paste_max_lines, same idea is implemented in some unixes by aliasing 'rm' to 'rm -i', just a default
13:21	nubbins`	it's too cold for backyard pools here
13:22	keonne	does anyone use the blockchain android wallet
13:22	nubbins`	android is for poor people
13:23	keonne	lol
13:23	truffles	dam i missed that memo
13:23	benkay	phones are for wage slaves
13:23	fluffypony	nubbins`: so you're a Windows Phone user, then?
13:23	nubbins`	http://www.osnews.com/story/27661/_Android_is_for_poor_people_
13:23	ozbot	'Android is for poor people'
13:23	keonne	lol such helpful
13:23	nubbins`	http://gizmodo.com/5977625/android-is-popular-because-its-cheap-not-because-its-good
13:23	ozbot	Android Is Popular Because It's Cheap, Not Because It's Good
13:24	keonne	gizmodo is popular because it's cheap, not because it's good
13:24	nubbins`	http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/362650/android-handsets-a-poor-mans-iphone-research-claims
13:24	ozbot	Android handsets a poor man's iPhone, research claims | News | PC Pro
13:24	nubbins`	http://theinterrobang.com/2013/07/rich-people-like-iphones-poor-people-like-android/
13:24	ozbot	Rich People Like iPhones, Poor People Like Android – The Interrobang
13:24	fluffypony	gizmodo is popular? I stopped reading there a long time ago
13:24	truffles	so Iphones are popular cuz theyre shiny?
13:24	keonne	how do you have all these on hand nubbins`
13:24	benkay	such science
13:24	nubbins`	i don't
13:25	nubbins`	i just googled "android is for poor people"
13:25	keonne	lol
13:25	keonne	this is why you get all the pussy and btc
13:25	keonne	and im a simple wage slave
13:25	nubbins`	not really
13:26	nubbins`	smartphones are for fucking losers in general
13:26	keonne	asciilifeform: what was the name of that soviet cartoon you mentioned earlier
13:26	nubbins`	REAL MEN CHECK THEIR TELEPHONES SEVERAL TIMES AN HOUR
13:26	truffles	nubbins` what do u use?
13:26	nubbins`	IPHONE
13:26	nubbins`	i mean, iphone
13:26	nubbins`	heh
13:26	keonne	iPhone
13:26	truffles	oh ok
13:27	truffles	im surprised cuz i read they dont withstand cold temps
13:27	fluffypony	nubbins`: want a wooden case for it? we have a bunch as gifts, but most of our customers are Android users, and the guy that makes them doesn't make Android cases
13:27	nubbins`	shrug. i keep my phone in my pocket, not my mailbox
13:27	nubbins`	fluffypony, i don't use cases, but tyvm
13:28	fluffypony	np
13:28	keonne	cases are for poor people according to nubbins`
13:28	fluffypony	lol
13:28	nubbins`	now you're putting words in my mouth
13:28	nubbins`	cases are for clumsy people
13:28	keonne	guilty
13:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 20 @ 0.00759849 = 0.152 BTC [+] {2}
13:29	keonne	but i also did make up a life story for you
13:29	nubbins`	if you drop your $500 phone so often that you need to put it in a case, maybe you shouldn't have one
13:29	truffles	im pretty rough i need a case
13:30	keonne	my phone was $200
13:30	jurov	orly? mahogany smartphone box?
13:30	nubbins`	consider the statement suitably modified
13:30	keonne	still stands
13:30	truffles	200 sounds so modest dam!
13:30	nubbins`	keonne: but was it subsidized?
13:30	keonne	nexus 5
13:30	keonne	no
13:30	*	nubbins` claps
13:30	keonne	unlocked off contract
13:32	keonne	no, subsidized phones are for poor people
13:32	keonne	and for people who will probably be perpetually poor
13:32	jurov	http://www.magazinehive.com/2013/08/iphone-4-and-iphone-4s-cases/ grep for bamboo or mahogany
13:32	ozbot	40+ Beautiful iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S Cases for Your Smartphone
13:32	keonne	because it's a really bad deal
13:32	nubbins`	no doubt you've got some math to back that up
13:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00096327 = 10.7405 BTC [+]
13:33	fluffypony	http://i.imgur.com/Gv2WlWv.jpg
13:33	fluffypony	those are the cases we have
13:33	fluffypony	wood is pretty
13:33	nubbins`	it is indeed
13:33	keonne	thats nice fluffypony
13:33	nubbins`	engraving kinda ruins it
13:33	truffles	ppl actually back things up with scientific data itc? pfff
13:33	fluffypony	nubbins`: hush
13:33	fluffypony	:-P
13:33	nubbins`	might as well put a coca-cola logo on there
13:34	nubbins`	truffles: who said anything about scientific? napkin scribbles would do
13:34	truffles	might as well not
13:34	truffles	imo
13:34	nubbins`	suppose you save $500 by getting a subsidy. at the end of your two-year contract, you own your phone
13:34	truffles	that baseball case looks cute
13:35	keonne	well lets see, $500 phone you get for $250 because you sign a 2 year contract paying ~60-80 a month. 
13:35	nubbins`	or you spend the extra $500, and two years later, you own your phone
13:35	nubbins`	what's the difference?
13:35	keonne	the difference is poor people shouldnt eb buying 500 dollar phones
13:36	truffles	yep
13:36	nubbins`	well, that certainly answers a different question
13:36	nubbins`	how about the one i asked :D
13:36	truffles	im gonna aim for that 200 next phone!
13:36	keonne	sorry i keep going in and out of cell signal
13:36	nubbins`	shoulda bought an iphone i guess
13:36	keonne	or not be on a train going into tunnels
13:36	nubbins`	sure
13:36	nubbins`	either way.
13:36	nubbins`	explain to me how buying the phone outright is a better deal in the long run
13:37	keonne	depends on the price of the phone
13:37	nubbins`	let's say a new iphone
13:37	jurov	nubbins`: depends on if you're poor :DDDDD
13:37	nubbins`	$700 straight-up or $200 on a two-year contract
13:37	keonne	how much are those?
13:37	keonne	ah ok
13:37	keonne	thats insane..... first of all
13:38	daybyter	got my new smartphone today.
13:38	keonne	how much is the contract per month?
13:38	daybyter	pomp w88 Euro 105,- plus shipping.
13:38	TomServo	nubbins`: I think it depends on how much you value being able to switch carriers on a whim.
13:38	nubbins`	TomServo: $0
13:38	keonne	i mean i havent had a contract in 3 years
13:38	nubbins`	keonne: well, that depends heavily on how good you are at bargaining
13:39	keonne	and i have unlimited 4g data in both the US and Europe
13:39	TomServo	nubbins`: I'm just saying, that is what makes it a "better deal" to some people.
13:39	nubbins`	which (sorry to ruin the surprise) was the crux of my argument
13:39	keonne	for £15 pay as you go a month
13:39	nubbins`	canada is relatively expensive for cell service
13:39	nubbins`	i pay, i think, $50/mo
13:40	keonne	its all highly situational
13:40	nubbins`	yep
13:40	keonne	i remmeber not even being able to get a sim card in canada
13:40	keonne	without a canadian ID
13:40	nubbins`	all different now, LTE nationwide
13:40	nubbins`	ah, without an id
13:41	nubbins`	not sure about that
13:41	keonne	in UK i go to the corner shop
13:41	keonne	and i can buyt as many sim cards as I want for£1 each
13:41	nubbins`	neat
13:41	nubbins`	TomServo: fair enough, but worth an extra $500?
13:42	daybyter	any android coders here, who also do java?
13:42	nubbins`	ostensibly you're changing providers to get a better rate
13:42	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 20 @ 0.007696 = 0.1539 BTC [+] {2}
13:42	nubbins`	to make it worth $500, you'd need to save ~$21/mo by switching providers
13:43	nubbins`	it could be argued that you just picked the wrong provider to start with
13:43	keonne	daybyter: not being snarky but dont all android devs have to know java? i thought that was part of the deal.
13:43	fluffypony	keonne: I was about to say the same thing
13:43	daybyter	I mean android and desktop-java.
13:43	fluffypony	say/ask
13:43	fluffypony	ah ok
13:43	daybyter	I have a lib that should run on desktop and android.
13:44	daybyter	no I wonder how to compile it best.
13:44	daybyter	add android.jar to the required libs?
13:44	daybyter	use conditional compiling?
13:44	nubbins`	^
13:45	bounce	write it for z-machine
13:45	daybyter	I used antenna back in the days of j2me projects.
13:46	nubbins`	i googled everything back in the days of writing code ;D
13:46	nubbins`	why reinvent the wheel!
13:47	daybyter	google had no good solution available?
13:47	daybyter	maybe I'm just the first one who had this idea? :-)
13:47	nubbins`	if we were fencing, i'd say touche
13:49	keonne	bloody tunnels
13:49	truffles	is that code for sex?
13:49	nubbins`	HEH.
13:49	keonne	haha
13:49	fluffypony	yay! sex!
13:49	nubbins`	i want to enter your bloody tunnel
13:50	nubbins`	i should try this on my wife when she gets home
13:50	truffles	she likes red so go for it
13:50	keonne	let us know how that goes
13:50	nubbins`	my money is on a chuckle
13:52	keonne	gents i am off
13:52	keonne	as always its been a pleasure
13:52	daybyter	cul!
13:55	nubbins`	;;ticker
13:55	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 401.95, Best ask: 402.95, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 401.95, 24 hour volume: 36500.33354409, 24 hour low: 382.7, 24 hour high: 446.97, 24 hour vwap: 409.175624476
13:56	nubbins`	oddly, no suicide hotline phone number on reddit
13:56	keonne	http://trilema.com/2014/filantropica/ god damn, this is a good article. I really want to see this movie even more now.
13:56	ozbot	Filantropica pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
13:59	fluffypony	keonne: you said you were off!
14:00	keonne	i know
14:00	keonne	train is a bit delayed
14:00	fluffypony	ah ok
14:00	daybyter	keonne: you're an android coder?
14:00	keonne	not at all daybyter
14:01	daybyter	you're an android designer?
14:01	keonne	The only coding I do is a very hobbyist hack job at python
14:01	keonne	im a designer in general, focusing on UI, and I do a lot of android apps
14:01	daybyter	oh...ok...
14:01	nubbins`	it'll be 14 months on sunday since i gave up programming
14:01	daybyter	hmmh...that sounds interesting!
14:02	daybyter	I want to create an android app and look for help with the UI.
14:02	keonne	current i am redoing the blockchain android wallet, which is why i as asking earlier if anyone used it
14:02	daybyter	interested in a trading app?
14:02	fluffypony	nubbins`: how are you handling it?
14:02	keonne	and if they wanted to bitch at me their least favourite things
14:03	keonne	nubbins`: congrats :)
14:03	nubbins`	fluffypony, never been happier
14:03	mike_c	eulorum is dead. long live eulorum.
14:03	nubbins`	woo
14:03	mike_c	new server, new install
14:03	mike_c	copied shit over
14:03	*	nubbins` high fives mike
14:03	daybyter	I write java trading code.
14:03	mike_c	nubbins, i copied over your password hash so you should be able to login
14:03	daybyter	and currently port some stuff to android.
14:04	nubbins`	i was briefly excited when i saw the "recent changes" page until i took a closer look :D
14:04	nubbins`	tyvm
14:04	nubbins`	keonne: thanks :D
14:04	daybyter	looking for someone to make a pretty app.
14:05	benkay`	what's your budget?
14:05	benkay`	daybyter: what's your budget?
14:05	daybyter	I thought about a collab.
14:05	daybyter	maybe share the profit, if the app could be sold.
14:06	keonne	daybyter: sorry man, i really dont have the time
14:06	benkay`	what's the app?
14:06	keonne	plus you would hate working with me
14:06	daybyter	tradebot
14:06	daybyter	maybe manual trading, but I wanted to start as simple as possible.
14:07	benkay`	and you don't have the budget to pay for its production?
14:07	daybyter	I already got most of the stuff running on desktop.
14:07	keonne	i'm incredibly anal when it comes to design, and more engineers go crazy working with me
14:07	keonne	plus im expensive
14:07	daybyter	http://i.imgur.com/MqHfF.jpg
14:08	daybyter	http://i.imgur.com/xpqoqnk.png
14:08	mircea_popescu	dignork i know i know, jus' being an hardass spuriously.
14:08	daybyter	but I want to use a strategy that is a lot more simple.
14:09	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves dvsdude benkay` what the shit, letterman was supposed to be a comic neh ? colbert is now funny ?
14:09	benkay`	colbert's never been funny.
14:10	daybyter	benkay`: mail me, if you are interested.
14:10	daybyter	my mail is in almost all my sources: https://github.com/ReAzem/cryptocoin-tradelib
14:11	thestringpuller	;;ticker
14:11	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 401.99, Best ask: 402.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 401.99, 24 hour volume: 36649.25150965, 24 hour low: 382.7, 24 hour high: 446.97, 24 hour vwap: 408.857388372
14:13	keonne	ok now im leaving for real
14:14	daybyter	cu!
14:15	nubbins`	heh
14:15	nubbins`	educating -otc on the perils of referring to cash-in-mail as CIM
14:15	benkay`	daybyter: not really interested.
14:15	daybyter	ok.
14:15	daybyter	thanks for your answer.
14:16	truff1es	awww
14:16	nubbins`	"willing to do CIM" etc
14:16	nubbins`	my sides
14:17	mircea_popescu	mike_c yeah it wasn't working b4 was it ?
14:17	mike_c	it was basically under assault from spam bots
14:18	mike_c	i didn't realize what a honeypot mediawiki is.
14:18	nubbins`	lots of pages about buying discount shoes
14:18	mircea_popescu	nubbins` what perils be those ?
14:18	mike_c	but the new cat photos captcha should prevent that.
14:18	nubbins`	mircea_popescu basically just drawing snickers from dirtbags like me
14:18	nubbins`	;;ud cim
14:18	gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cim | Upload a picture of Cim. 2. cim. Cum In Mouth. Meaning ejaculation of the man's sperm into anothers mouth. This may or may not be followed by the swallowing ...
14:18	ozbot	Urban Dictionary: cim
14:18	mircea_popescu	oh oh
14:19	nubbins`	oddly, nobody looking for just COF
14:19	mircea_popescu	cash on forehead ?
14:19	nubbins`	;;ud cof
14:19	gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=C.O.F. | cof. Cum On Face - Sexual act often used when describing services offered by an escort. The escort I saw last night provided cof in addition to bbbj and fs.
14:19	ozbot	Urban Dictionary: C.O.F.
14:19	nubbins`	close enough ;D
14:19	benkay`	coin on, fellow.
14:19	nubbins`	heh
14:22	mircea_popescu	http://image.stirileprotv.ro/media/images/680xX/Apr2013/61303332.jpg
14:22	mircea_popescu	is bbbj like a blowjob with three girls ?
14:23	mircea_popescu	http://media.realitatea.ro/multimedia/image/201310/w728/taranul_83111800.jpg << cash on forehead. fo reals.
14:23	truff1es	why wouldnt u think doods
14:24	mircea_popescu	http://image.stirileprotv.ro/media/images/680xX/Jan2013/61251270.jpg
14:28	benkay`	http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/09/28/article-1315776-0B612CFF000005DC-268_468x519.jpg
14:28	mircea_popescu	;;ticker
14:28	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 398.52, Best ask: 401.75, Bid-ask spread: 3.23000, Last trade: 398.46, 24 hour volume: 36696.67930975, 24 hour low: 382.7, 24 hour high: 446.97, 24 hour vwap: 408.824895153
14:28	benkay`	450 -> 398
14:28	mircea_popescu	srsly
14:28	benkay`	"why is it crashing?"
14:28	mircea_popescu	"because the exchanges are less and less relevant" ?
14:29	asciilifeform	we might be witnessing a bifurcation a la 'bezzle dollar'
14:29	asciilifeform	(or this happened ages ago, and i'm just the last one to notice)
14:29	mircea_popescu	they've painted themselves in a corner, basically. if all you wanna do is buy 20 bucks wortha btc to "have some", no way in fuck do you go through all the caudine forkland of "send us a pic with you holding a seal". odds are you don't even have a phone.
14:29	benkay`	there is a bit of a discount for magical bitcoins
14:30	mircea_popescu	if you want 20k worth of btc, no fucking way you'll take that level of service. just find an escort that does COF CIM and BTC
14:30	fluffypony	CIM
14:30	mircea_popescu	so i guess the scammers get a whole new market now.
14:30	fluffypony	:-P
14:30	asciilifeform	at this point, even the most threadbare engineer is probably just buying coin from his coworkers
14:30	fluffypony	I have a lot of people I know that prefer to buy from me instead of buying on the local exchange
14:30	fluffypony	even though I keep telling them to
14:31	fluffypony	because it's annoying
14:31	mircea_popescu	fuck the local exchange.
14:31	mircea_popescu	the future belongs to otc trades of btc.
14:31	mircea_popescu	the various fiat jurisdictions had ~5 years to get their shit together and suck our cock enough to acquire this revenue stream.
14:31	mircea_popescu	they have failed.
14:31	asciilifeform	wonder at what point exchanges will survive primarily on payola from whoever they are stoolies for, rather than commissions
14:31	mircea_popescu	no btc/fiat exchangesd for them. herp.
14:31	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: we have a community here of < 500 people actively interested in Bitcoin, not just peripherally
14:31	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform at the point of 2014.
14:31	mircea_popescu	fluffypony cool.
14:32	fluffypony	it's tiny
14:32	mircea_popescu	depends who they are.
14:32	fluffypony	true
14:32	mircea_popescu	500 is too many for spartans.
14:32	taub	https://www.dropbox.com/s/z73tt8mgr6tndzy/FooledByRandomness.pdf cool book i'm reading right now
14:32	fluffypony	unfortunately the majority of them are kinda-nerdy-oh-look-here-I-can-get-rich
14:33	dignork	mircea_popescu, you said before that bitcoin-otc is irrelevant
14:33	truff1es	$$$$
14:33	fluffypony	dollah dollah billz, ya'll
14:33	bounce	otc is fun and fluffy and lovable and full of scammers
14:33	truff1es	ppl can change their minds
14:34	mircea_popescu	dignork otc as a concept. "over the counter"
14:35	mircea_popescu	as opposed to "in an 'organised' ie regulated market"
14:35	dignork	mircea_popescu, sure, but so far bitcoin-otc based on WOT is the closest to OTC that I've seen so far
14:35	mircea_popescu	bitcoin-otc was last i checked run mostly by dorks, and so consequently populated mostly by dorks
14:36	fluffypony	hah hah - this was posted re: the < $400 slump: http://i.imgur.com/2bVRHRX.jpg
14:36	mircea_popescu	dignork i dunno, imo all of irc and a lot more is otc in this sense.
14:37	mircea_popescu	fluffypony sure, except we've seen it three times already : the people who are butthurt during upswings because they were left out still don't buy during downswings because now it's more like "Haha! it's dead!"
14:38	mircea_popescu	mental issuez
14:38	fluffypony	that is VERY true
14:38	fluffypony	every time it's tanked I've bought on the downswing
14:38	mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/798/bitcoin-to-drop-under-400-before-june/#c2762
14:38	ozbot	BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $400 before June
14:38	mircea_popescu	this is a sad puppy
14:39	fluffypony	what is annoying is when the media talks about Bitcoin's "surprising resiliance despite being declared dead"
14:39	fluffypony	like wtf
14:39	fluffypony	just because someone says its dead doesn't automagically make it so
14:39	benkay	http://bitbet.us/bet/798/bitcoin-to-drop-under-400-before-june/#b62
14:39	ozbot	BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $400 before June
14:39	benkay	they imagine their imagination matters, fluffypony .
14:40	mjr_	what up everyone
14:40	benkay	oh look who it is
14:40	mjr_	hahaha
14:40	benkay	mr constantly dropping connections
14:40	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 546 @ 0.00075904 = 0.4144 BTC [-] {5}
14:40	mjr_	i know :(
14:40	benkay	still going to burning man with the shreminal?
14:40	mjr_	not sure...
14:40	benkay	2 things i'm bummed about missing this year
14:40	mircea_popescu	fluffypony well yeah, it's sort-of like putin's surprising resilience in spite of being declared crazy.
14:40	mjr_	i was supposed to go hang out with him while i was in nyc
14:40	benkay	bm and mp
14:40	mircea_popescu	teh media has serious issues coming to some sort of representation of its own irrelevance.
14:41	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: or Robert Mugabe's surprising resilience despite him probably being dead
14:41	mjr_	am I safe in assuming that everyone here thinks trying to change the bitcoin symbol is stupid and a waste of time?
14:41	mircea_popescu	mjr_ dude wtf was with all those parts.
14:41	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 454 @ 0.00075 = 0.3405 BTC [-]
14:41	mjr_	when was that? I'm not sure if my laptop was even open...
14:41	kakobrekla	mircea_popescu ocd
14:41	benkay	i advocate we abandon the btc symbol all together and just use a capital b
14:41	benkay	200B
14:41	mjr_	what up kakobrekla
14:41	kakobrekla	heya
14:41	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2014#609470
14:42	mjr_	basically i think i slam dunked the argument against symbol change
14:42	ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log
14:42	mircea_popescu	mjr_ ^
14:42	mjr_	phones can currently type the bitcoin symbol...i don't even know how you would convince apple or motorola to add a keyboard
14:42	mjr_	or what keyboard it should be under
14:42	mircea_popescu	benkay i never used no dumbass symbol.
14:42	kakobrekla	you comming to ro or what?
14:43	benkay	bitcoin advocacy, mjr_ ?
14:43	mjr_	but the amount of changes that using the proposed symbol would cost dwarf any benefit
14:43	benkay	no symbol.
14:43	fluffypony	benkay: what about a backwards Euro symbol, then it looks kinda like a monkey butt
14:43	mjr_	i have to try and get people to shut the fuck up and open their eyes and see how the world works
14:43	benkay	no man it's a waste of time
14:43	benkay	fuck retards get paper
14:43	mjr_	good point
14:44	mircea_popescu	how about we just use $
14:44	mircea_popescu	not like the usd will survive anyway.
14:44	bounce	and let people think it's the new USD?
14:44	mircea_popescu	and afair they stole it off the mexicans on the same grounds.
14:44	bounce	USB, the new USD
14:44	benkay	too early
14:44	mjr_	well...there are 30 other countries using $
14:44	mjr_	many more using "dollar"
14:44	mircea_popescu	bounce no moar like BD, the new USD
14:45	mircea_popescu	mjr_ exactly. argentina prices everything in "dollars", there's 3 of them
14:45	mircea_popescu	at least.
14:45	mjr_	which was my point...zeroblock told me on twitter "amateur hour is over"...i was like so canada, australia, mexico, etc are still in amateur hour...
14:45	mjr_	in the real world, symbols are mapped onto many currencies
14:45	mircea_popescu	who is zeroblock and what makes him think he can talk about amateur hour lol
14:45	mjr_	hahahaha
14:46	mircea_popescu	mp, lord of the fundamental questions.
14:46	mjr_	just part of the group of people who think that they understand the standards committees and how the real world works
14:46	mjr_	similar to the whole "XBT" thing
14:46	mjr_	which is the same issue...you don't pick a name and then ISO standardizes
14:46	mircea_popescu	we should have a drama department
14:46	mjr_	ISO will tell you what the official name is, and then you adopt it
14:46	mircea_popescu	like every highschool.
14:46	mjr_	yep
14:47	mircea_popescu	then the fat chicks can go and pretend like they're acting there after school
14:47	mjr_	its good to be chatting, and btw, it is very fun seeing people talk about you when you are not htere
14:47	mjr_	its nice
14:47	mjr_	to see yourself in the mirror
14:47	mircea_popescu	well they were talking about how much you piss them off
14:47	mjr_	and I think I will start blogging more
14:47	mjr_	hehehe
14:47	mjr_	maybe i didn't read that far down
14:47	mjr_	why not just ignore me?
14:48	benkay	ey lookit what princessnell's been up to: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2423461
14:48	mjr_	as in the IRC command, not attention wise
14:48	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72651 @ 0.00096485 = 70.0973 BTC [+] {5}
14:48	mircea_popescu	not sure.
14:48	mircea_popescu	benkay chick writing a paper about us ?!
14:49	benkay	oh indeed.
14:49	benkay	oh it's great
14:49	mircea_popescu	pastebin that shit
14:49	mircea_popescu	ssrn bs
14:49	bounce	"why not just ignore all the spam in your inbox?" "why not just ignore that DDoS coming in?" -- such sensible questions.
14:50	mircea_popescu	bounce he's new.
14:50	benkay	it has footnotes and stuff that won't survive so well
14:50	bounce	shh. lemme admire the sensibility a bit more.
14:50	benkay	http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/Delivery.cfm/SSRN_ID2423461_code510873.pdf?abstractid=2423461&mirid=1
14:50	mircea_popescu	kk
14:50	ozbot	Bitcoin Financial Regulation: Securities, Derivatives, Prediction Markets, & Gambling by Jerry Brit
14:51	fluffypony	also known as BFR:SDPMG
14:51	fluffypony	bJB
14:51	bounce	SSRN, wasn't that a class of antidepressants?
14:52	akstunt600	Maybe bitcoin really needs to get cracked down on for it to thrive the way we want
14:52	akstunt600	the gen y kids the ones that need the most arent even using it yet really
14:52	akstunt600	bounce, tHAT WAS MY FIRST THOUGHT
14:52	akstunt600	oops caps
14:53	danielpbarron	bitcoin doesn't get "cracked down on;" it does the cracking
14:53	mircea_popescu	bounce nah a social studies bs
14:53	akstunt600	hhahaha
14:53	mircea_popescu	akstunt600 an' who might you be ?
14:54	bounce	"wordy stuff that makes you need antidepressants", right ho.
14:54	akstunt600	Just a fellow bitcoin persons
14:57	benkay	Accordingly, to the extent a contract delivers bitcoins at a date after the sale
14:57	benkay	(and not their cash equivalent), and is being used by a party to manage price
14:57	benkay	risk, it would likely be considered a forward and be excluded from the
14:57	benkay	CEA.
14:57	benkay	bold claim.
14:57	fluffypony	I don't see any <em> tags?
14:57	benkay	i'd like to meet the person who's willing to test that 'likely' in the states, or finance the establishment of caselaw.
14:59	benkay	options on pg 20
15:00	mircea_popescu	;;google pg 20
15:00	gribble	USS Monocacy (PG-20) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Monocacy_(PG-20)>; Amazon.com: Pignose PG-20 PG-20 a/c powered amplifier: Musical ...: <http://www.amazon.com/Pignose-PG-20-powered-amplifier/dp/B0006SMY7S>; Part# PG-20-160Q: <http://www.clippard.com/part/PG-20-160Q>
15:02	benkay	"bitcoinica valued expediency and experimentation over postponement and risk-aversion"
15:03	benkay	gotta read more of this later
15:03	benkay	vms need hacking
15:03	mircea_popescu	oh really ? and i thought it simply valued pretense and pretending over competence or obeying your betters.
15:03	mircea_popescu	poor phantomcircuit still imagines his brain works, i wager.
15:04	fluffypony	the red wedding: http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/world/Nigerian+child+bride+forced+into+marriage+poisons+meal/9723504/story.html
15:06	mircea_popescu	pretty cool.
15:06	mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/eyl9jeF.jpg
15:07	fluffypony	lol
15:08	goonsamchi	best to have diverse opinions, instead of a nation of sheep all taking the scientists' word for it, never considering the possibility that someone could be wrong
15:09	chetty	most people are wrong,most of the time
15:09	mircea_popescu	goonsamchi it's not a good idea to have "opinions" on matters you have not the authority to have opinions on.
15:10	*	bounce mentions david nutt
15:10	mircea_popescu	last thing we need is every fuckwit social sciences major having opinions about how silicon valley start-ups should be run and so forth
15:10	goonsamchi	http://www.ctvnews.ca/why-medical-science-often-gets-it-wrong-1.744502
15:10	ozbot	Why medical studies often go wrong | CTV News
15:11	goonsamchi	http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/11/lies-damned-lies-and-medical-science/308269/?single_page=true
15:11	ozbot	Lies, Damned Lies, and Medical Science - David H. Freedman - The Atlantic
15:11	mircea_popescu	sooo ?
15:11	fluffypony	goonsamchi: so you'd prefer they take their medical advice from a TV personality?
15:12	goonsamchi	no, i think people should be allowed to control their own lives
15:12	goonsamchi	i believe in individual liberty and the right for people to be wrong
15:12	goonsamchi	http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21588069-scientific-research-has-changed-world-now-it-needs-change-itself-how-science-goes-wrong
15:13	mircea_popescu	goonsamchi there's a difference between controlling your own life and having opinions tho.
15:13	goonsamchi	yes, and people should have both
15:13	mircea_popescu	nobody is disputing the woman's right to be as fucking wrong as she possibly can get away with.
15:13	truff1es	prob diff in murrca than rest of world
15:14	mircea_popescu	but i am outright denying her the right to air dumbassery under the guise that "she's entitled to an opinion"
15:14	mircea_popescu	she is not.
15:14	goonsamchi	not allowing people to be incorrect just leads to a monoculture of sheep who all think the same. even if they're right, there's still a lack of diversity
15:14	mircea_popescu	now how do you know that ?
15:14	truff1es	thats what this room would become haha
15:14	mircea_popescu	seems to me allowing fuckwits to have "opinions" has turned the us of a into a monoculture of sheep who all think the same.
15:15	mircea_popescu	had these same fuckwits been beaten to shit for daring to open their mouths when their teachers were speaking,
15:15	mircea_popescu	we'd perhaps have had something like 58 goethes coming out of there, this year alone.
15:15	truff1es	0.0
15:15	mircea_popescu	at least if historical data is anything to go by.
15:15	fluffypony	goonsamchi: where do you draw the line? if a wildly popular personality says that everyone should kill themselves, and then a bunch of people do, should the person who expressed their "opinion" be entitled to it?
15:16	truff1es	beat some sense into them, thats it!
15:16	mircea_popescu	fluffypony definitely.
15:16	mircea_popescu	whoa this is going to be a good argument, i disagree with everyone.
15:16	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: population control?
15:16	fluffypony	:-P
15:16	fluffypony	meh
15:16	goonsamchi	you should be allowed to do anything you want unless it directly infringes on the rights of others.
15:16	mircea_popescu	no, but the discussion is metaphisics, and being listened to qualifies him to speak./
15:16	mircea_popescu	goonsamchi so your eating infringes on the rights of others, stop eating.
15:17	chetty	well there is a difference between having an opinon, and expressing it
15:17	goonsamchi	it does not.
15:17	mircea_popescu	how convenient.
15:17	mircea_popescu	of course it does. fucking world is constructed so your existence is built out of the death of your siblings.
15:17	mircea_popescu	thats how things work.
15:17	fluffypony	goonsamchi: there are starving people in Africa that would disagree
15:18	mircea_popescu	this is nothing less than the point of existence : for you to drive lesser versions out of existence, or for them to drive oyu.
15:18	goonsamchi	lol. my not eating would not affect the people in africa
15:19	mircea_popescu	how convenient #2.
15:19	benkay	mircea_popescu: the teachers'd need to be worth attending to.
15:19	mircea_popescu	benkay sure.
15:19	mircea_popescu	benkay im sure all of goethe's teachers were all supercool and worthy dudes.
15:19	mircea_popescu	not according to him, but what the fuck does he know.
15:19	chetty	you would listen to a 'teacher' that wasn't worth it?
15:20	mircea_popescu	problem is how the fuck would you distinguish.
15:20	mircea_popescu	idiots on the forum also think they know better. the reason they think so is because they don't know what they don't know
15:20	mircea_popescu	and on the basis of what they know, aka 0, they're right.
15:20	chetty	the best ones are the scariest!
15:21	fluffypony	but you can't even quantify "stuff you don't know"
15:21	truff1es	goonsamchi u make good points, id like to read more ur views on this
15:21	mircea_popescu	exactly.
15:21	chetty	if it hurts, you are learning something
15:21	truff1es	just wait til the sillyness washes away
15:22	thestringpuller	chetty if you start doing things right and realize you were once wrong you are also learning things :)
15:22	chetty	thestringpuller, and that hurts too
15:22	thestringpuller	most people seem to do things wrong, get told so, ignor as MP points out, then they run head first into concrete and complain about how they have brain damage
15:23	truff1es	told by whom?
15:23	fluffypony	although making mistakes *and learning from them* should be encouraged, no?
15:23	thestringpuller	you shouldn't make mistakes with other peoples money
15:23	thestringpuller	fucking use testnet
15:24	fluffypony	oh I agree with that
15:24	fluffypony	I was talking in generalisations
15:24	thestringpuller	no experimenting wiht production services, fucking get managers and shit. perhaps it's about time for another tally of the BTC losses due to scams and icompetence
15:24	chetty	fluffypony, that is I think, the definition of learning
15:25	mircea_popescu	fluffypony making mistakes should be encouraged in a narrow field : that where we don't know what the mistakes are. in the fields where we already know, they should not be.
15:25	chetty	bitcoins don't get lost (mostly) just transfered
15:25	mircea_popescu	such as, putting your hand in the flame may in principle do all sorts of cool things, like charge your phone battery
15:25	fluffypony	lol
15:25	mircea_popescu	but it won't. so don't learn from fucking experience.
15:25	fluffypony	yeah I use the "stove is hot" analogy often
15:25	fluffypony	but you end up with a burnt hand afterwards
15:26	truff1es	if u were tough enough it wouldnt matter!
15:26	mircea_popescu	<truff1es> just wait til the sillyness washes away << funny how on the spot this guy is. since forever the strategy of the mentally defective has been, just wait until the cool people get exhausted, and try to rebuild socialism then!
15:27	truff1es	says the person who wants to beat people to submission
15:27	mircea_popescu	the epic resilience of stupidity.
15:34	fluffypony	I think testnet is an under-utilised feature
15:34	robwhiz22	Good evening.
15:35	mircea_popescu	http://rt.com/usa/nevada-ranch-armed-feds-520/
15:35	mircea_popescu	the usg moving into cattle rustling
15:35	robwhiz22	Hi, mircea_popescu
15:35	chetty	shades of Waco??
15:36	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 38 @ 0.05195871 = 1.9744 BTC [-] {11}
15:37	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 88 @ 0.05036279 = 4.4319 BTC [-] {6}
15:37	robwhiz22	You kind of disappeared the other day. I'm hoping you had a chance to read what I'd written you earlier. If so could you tell me a decision please?
15:38	robwhiz22	If you need any more information, feel free to ask.
15:41	fluffypony	robwhiz22: you never emailed me:(
15:41	*	fluffypony feels left out
15:42	TomServo	robwhiz22: You're the "I can fix the Cardano" guy right?
15:42	fluffypony	TomServo: yes
15:43	asciilifeform	'fix' in the 'veterinary' sense of the word.
15:43	fluffypony	for the low, low price of 10 BTC
15:43	fluffypony	monthly
15:43	fluffypony	with interest
15:43	TomServo	Sorry, I should've also put fix in quotes.
15:49	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/anonymous-derpage/
15:49	ozbot	Anonymous derpage pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
15:52	*	bounce spots a developing tvtropes addiction
15:52	mircea_popescu	bounce no cause i was addicted muchly afore.
15:52	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: gum chewing definition of “acultural” << term 'nekulturny' actually pops up in english texts on occasion. because it applies.
15:52	mircea_popescu	wow it does huh
15:53	jurov	really?
15:53	mircea_popescu	ty, adding to my bag.
15:53	mircea_popescu	i'd never have guessed.
15:53	jurov	;;ud nekulturny
15:53	gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nekulturny | ... chav, or naco. Ivan, you nekulturny bastard, don't pick your nose in public! by LN_Sac September 07, 2008. 57 9. Mugs & shirts Buy “nekulturny” mugs & shirts  ...
15:53	ozbot	Urban Dictionary: nekulturny
15:53	Apocalyptic	sounds like a slovak word
15:54	asciilifeform	probably exists in all slavic languages
15:54	BingoBoingo	;;tslb
15:54	gribble	Time since last block: 24 minutes and 57 seconds
15:54	fluffypony	holy shit
15:54	jurov	from my cursory research it looks it's much more insulting in russian
15:54	fluffypony	http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/10/americas-overtake-africa-most-murders
15:54	ozbot	Americas overtake Africa as region with most murders | World news | theguardian.com
15:54	asciilifeform	basic soviet meaning, a fellow who's had no truck with human cultural achievements - literature, physics, philosophy, whatever
15:54	fluffypony	we're not so bad here!
15:54	fluffypony	yay
15:55	asciilifeform	but also for folks with no manners
15:55	Apocalyptic	^ that's the meaning that comes to mind first to me
15:55	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform "a particular flavour of inhumanity"
15:55	asciilifeform	read 'savage brute'
15:55	mircea_popescu	fluffypony is that raw total or per capita ?
15:56	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: looks like it's per capita
15:56	fluffypony	they do it on a "murders per 100k people" basis
15:56	asciilifeform	in some places, savage brute is someone who picks his nose - in others, one who never heard of differential equations.
15:56	asciilifeform	all depends on context.
15:58	robwhiz22	mircea_popescu ...
15:58	mircea_popescu	fluffypony wow.
15:59	bounce	the student club had a rule that you couldn't actually lie. ie answers must be truthful. but you could refuse to answer on grounds of the question being too direct. add in some rules that made buying the entire bar population beers both very easy to do and hard to figure out for the barman... well, it's a student club, whaddaya expect?
15:59	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: yeah, I was quite surprised, the ex-pats have beaten the "murder rate in South Africa is the highest in the world" speech into everyone's heads we're starting to believe it ourselves
16:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.57547032 = 8.6321 BTC [-] {7}
16:01	mircea_popescu	fluffypony but wait, you meant all of africa vs north, south and central america ?
16:01	bounce	compared to the conspiring, deceit, backstabbing, betrayal, "white" lieing, bald faced lieing, and all that, happening among the most cultured of any population, traditionally the aristocrats and like court dwellers, that's outright friendly and truthful.
16:02	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: I'm talking specifically about South Africa - our murder rate is mentioned in the article, ~30 per 100k vs Honduras at ~90 per 100k
16:02	mircea_popescu	bounce aristocrats and courtiers don't map.
16:02	fluffypony	s/30/31
16:02	mircea_popescu	it's like saying smart people and web developers.
16:02	mircea_popescu	fluffypony what if you only count white people ?
16:03	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: significantly lower
16:03	mircea_popescu	well then okay.
16:03	twizt	lol
16:03	mircea_popescu	i had bought the same arguments, omg sa is terrible.
16:03	fluffypony	we're a small part of the population (relatively), and a lot of the murders are gang related
16:03	fluffypony	for eg. Cape Town now has a higher murder rate than Johannesburg
16:03	fluffypony	but something ridiculous like 80% of the murders occur in Lavender Hill
16:04	fluffypony	which is gang warfare territory in the Cape Flats
16:04	fluffypony	that even policeman don't go into
16:04	fluffypony	much less white people
16:04	mircea_popescu	aha
16:04	bounce	not true. any high concentration of power without proper management tends to bring lots of little kingdoms, warring each other. I'm told the pettiest squabbles can be found in academia.
16:04	mircea_popescu	bounce wait, what specifically isn't true ?
16:05	fluffypony	bounce: are we still talking about murder rates?
16:05	bounce	well, what did you mean with "don't map"?
16:05	mircea_popescu	lots of little kingdoms don't necessarily war each other, and moreover the wars of little kingdoms are not at all like the wars of national-socialist statal machines,
16:05	mircea_popescu	the sort that opposed the french and the germans, or the germans and the russians, or the french and the russians
16:05	mircea_popescu	bounce i meant aristocrats and courtiers are two mostly distinct things.
16:06	mircea_popescu	in general one can't be both. whenever aristocrats were forced to be courtiers historically, they lost their aristocracy, and the state collapsed
16:06	mircea_popescu	(seen both in china and in france, quite identical)
16:06	bounce	both are at the top of the societal pile, if in slightly different senses.
16:06	mircea_popescu	this does not make much of a similarity.
16:07	mircea_popescu	the top of a cake and the top of an oil tank aren't similar on grounds of topness.
16:07	bounce	but the cake is a lie.
16:07	bounce	anyhow, I'll gladly concede this since my interest is in a different point.
16:08	robwhiz22	mircea_popescu, I am not available for chatting much longer tonight.
16:08	robwhiz22	mircea_popescu, did you 1) find my proposal among your emails now? 2) do you have an answer? I submitted it with the request that you review and answer within three business days, which I thought was reasonable.
16:08	thestringpuller	;;gettrust robwhiz22
16:08	asciilifeform	robwhiz22 is 'elusive joe'
16:08	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user robwhiz22: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=robwhiz22 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=robwhiz22 | Rated since: never
16:08	mircea_popescu	well... which point ?
16:09	asciilifeform	'The "Elusive Joe" (Russian: Неуловимый Джо) has become an ironic nickname in Russia for various difficult-to-find persons (not necessarily unimportant ones). It is suggested that the nickname and the joke originated from a 1923 satirical novel An Elusive Enemy. American Novel by Mikhail Kozyrev (ru:Козырев, Михаил Яковлевич) which contained a funny song about a Joe who was e
16:09	asciilifeform	lusive because no one needed him.'
16:09	thestringpuller	lolololololololol
16:09	mircea_popescu	course it's more like elusive djo in russian
16:09	bounce	dose roossians
16:09	asciilifeform	naturally
16:10	asciilifeform	i used to think that 'elusive joe' is an american expression
16:10	mircea_popescu	haha
16:10	robwhiz22	mircea_popescu, the whole proposal - I can email again if you have trouble fining the previous emails. There 2 I think, of which you answered the second one inviting me here, and one follow-up one.
16:10	mircea_popescu	i do't think american expressions are allowed to contain words such as elusive
16:10	asciilifeform	basic idea, desperado who isn't wanted for anything but thinks he's 'hot on the run'
16:11	bounce	robwhiz22: the best way for you to stop running around in circles is stop running around in circles. drop the text in a pastebin and share. you have permission to do this already.
16:11	fluffypony	robwhiz22: I think you're on /ignore, he was talking to bounce
16:11	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform romanian canonical equivalent is "tu crezi ca te cauta militia pe messenger". ie, you think the militsya is pursuing you through im.
16:11	mircea_popescu	(joke beingthat the militsya was an obsolete institution, and famously the people it employed could not write)
16:12	robwhiz22	fluffypony, I doubt I am on ignore. He began to answer me but had to go. The other day, I had to leave earlier.
16:12	mircea_popescu	coined by a blogger, in this post : http://www.jeg.ro/dupa-monitoru-gri-stam-noi-anonimitatea/
16:12	bounce	.oO( certainly argumentative )
16:15	bounce	re reinventing the wheel, wasn't there a medico recently that got a paper published essentially reinventing calculus (and naming it after himself, naturally)?
16:16	asciilifeform	bounce: well there was (still is...) a wealthy american crackpot who claimed cellular automata as his invention, suing anyone who publicly disagreed
16:16	asciilifeform	;;google wolfram batshit insanity
16:16	gribble	Stephen Wolfram, A New Kind of Science: <http://www.cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/reviews/wolfram/>; Ten Years of Monster Raving Egomania and Utter Batshit Insanity: <http://vserver1.cscs.lsa.umich.edu/~crshalizi/weblog/915.html>; Collection of Reviews of Wolfram's A New Kind of Science, Etc...: <http://www.math.usf.edu/~eclark/ANKOS_reviews.html>
16:17	asciilifeform	but that was a while ago.
16:18	asciilifeform	to my great shame, i (well, my research group, at my request) bought his software once.
16:19	robwhiz22	mircea_popescu, I've just clicked 'forward all' and reforwarded you my proposal and follow-up email. Please check the mail and I would very much appreciate a response. I feel I've given adequate time for your consideration.
16:19	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0347901 = 0.3479 BTC [-]
16:24	mircea_popescu	the whole thing sounds like tom sawyer's aunt.
16:24	mircea_popescu	also http://vserver1.cscs.lsa.umich.edu/~crshalizi/weblog/915.html doesn't exist
16:24	bounce	https://web.archive.org/web/20100322205031/http://www.cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/reviews/wolfram
16:24	ozbot	Stephen Wolfram, A New Kind of Science
16:25	mircea_popescu	also, google does not return the wayback machine for a "web history" query.
16:25	mircea_popescu	meanwhile, they return all the wikipedia pages possible.
16:25	mircea_popescu	must be cool to run a search engine that consists of promoting your friends.
16:26	robwhiz22	mircea_popescu - ?
16:27	bounce	could (also) be self-selecting, of course. archive.org might wlel be.
16:27	bounce	s/wlel/well/
16:27	mircea_popescu	perhaps.
16:32	bounce	9th paragraph, unkindly said, "applying the new jersey approach to the universe"
16:33	mircea_popescu	"My teacher, more patient than I would be with adolescent arrogance, gently informed me that it was a standard technique, in any book on linear algebra, called "reduction to Jordan normal form", after the man who discovered it in the 1800s. "
16:34	mircea_popescu	i want this entered into the record of proof for the importance of beating schoolchildren.
16:34	mircea_popescu	kids that have no experience with beatings have no conceivable incentive to abandon the notion they invented jordan normal form.
16:35	jurov	bah, even these who do
16:35	fluffypony	robwhiz22: why don't you just put the docs online for all to see/download? Or PasteBin it? You've been given permission to do so, after all.
16:35	bounce	nothing said the writer got beaten nor he didn't abandon the notion he wasn't the first when told
16:36	bounce	pretty cool he found it out himself, even if it turned out later he wasn't the first.
16:36	mircea_popescu	bounce sure, pretty cool.
16:38	BCB	http://vid.ly/7h6w6m <-- dev panel from PrincetonBTC
16:38	ozbot	vid.ly/7h6w6m
16:38	robwhiz22	fluffypony, I wouldn't need permission.
16:39	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.047122 = 0.2356 BTC [+] {4}
16:39	fluffypony	dun dun dun DUN
16:39	robwhiz22	fluffypony, more importantly, it's not like I did the entire project on spec (Google 'on spec' or 'spec work').
16:39	mircea_popescu	"Martin-Löf showed, again roughly speaking, that complex objects will pass many high-reliability tests for randomness, and conversely objects which pass randomness tests must have high algorithmic complexity."
16:39	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform what nonsense is this ;/
16:40	asciilifeform	not familiar with the 'complex objects' in question.
16:40	jurov	s/complex/shiny/
16:40	jurov	:D
16:41	bounce	go on, polish xkcd's "4" some more, why don't you? :)
16:41	mircea_popescu	me either, but as described it's scandalous.
16:42	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: he was probably speaking of greg chaitin's entropy.
16:42	mircea_popescu	the guy does declare he's trained as a phys, so i guess rank cluelessness about math may be excused
16:42	mircea_popescu	no he's talking of Kolmogorov
16:42	robwhiz22	:)
16:42	robwhiz22	I wrote "mircea_popescu, for what you're discussing now you should look at kolmogorov complexity."
16:43	BingoBoingo	robwhiz22: If you thing your solicitation reveals flaws, public disclosure is the responsible thing to do
16:43	robwhiz22	but I didn't submit as I didn't want to become your consultant on here for free. :)
16:44	robwhiz22	And more to the point I don't really know the application. It's, quote-unquote "out of scope"
16:44	fluffypony	quote-unquie
16:44	fluffypony	*unquite
16:44	*	fluffypony needs more wine
16:45	asciilifeform	ok, for everyone who didn't catch it the first time i posted it,
16:45	asciilifeform	http://pastebin.com/mBLdFHzt
16:45	ozbot	derp_more.txt - Pastebin.com
16:46	asciilifeform	no one can say i wasn't patient.
16:46	BingoBoingo	robwhiz22: If you dunno they application how can you be competent to critique it?
16:47	asciilifeform	i'd also like to add, for the edification of future spammers, that blatant sockmuppetry (switching handles every week) does not add credibility.
16:48	robwhiz22	BingoBoingo, I didn't critique it. I don't know anything about any RNG project. I was just answering mircea_popescu's question, in which he quoted "and conversely objects which pass randomness tests must have high algorithmic complexity" and hten said "not familiar with the 'complex objects' in question.".
16:50	bounce	966 lines. looks like a bit of a waste.
16:53	Apocalyptic	<asciilifeform> no one can say i wasn't patient. << and that's an understatement
16:53	jurov	tl;dr:<ninjashogun> cardano can suddenly change into usb keyboard hence its insecure
16:53	jurov	i did not read further
16:53	asciilifeform	see mp's essay about 'your wife changes into dog'
16:53	mircea_popescu	wait i wrote that ?!
16:53	asciilifeform	somewhere.
16:53	jurov	or a pig... there's actually a book about that
16:53	bounce	no, he is a dog. this is the internets.
16:53	mike_c	3 hours! that take some serious zen power.
16:54	robwhiz22	mircea_popescu, are you working on an RNG project? Do you have a link?
16:54	robwhiz22	mircea_popescu, or announcement?
16:54	mircea_popescu	mike_c next time you want to ask me why the cardano isn't done by xmas...
16:54	asciilifeform	how many pictures of the damn thing have to be posted
16:54	mike_c	hehe
16:54	jurov	robwhiz22: it's often discussed here, if you'd actually read the logs
16:55	asciilifeform	as if an rng were a nuke, or any other rarity
16:55	jurov	but you seem to be write-only dude
16:55	bounce	maybe it should be. backdoored and all.
16:55	mircea_popescu	;;google wilbur glenn voliva
16:55	gribble	Wilbur Glenn Voliva - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilbur_Glenn_Voliva>; Wilbur Glenn Voliva visits New Orleans, Louisiana in 1912 ...: <http://louisdl.louislibraries.org/cdm/ref/collection/LWP/id/7330>; $5,000 for Proving the Earth is a Globe | Modern Mechanix: <http://blog.modernmechanix.com/5000-for-proving-the-earth-is-a-globe/>
16:55	bounce	bogon-triggered tacnuke
16:56	mircea_popescu	he's like Julia A. Moore but forscience.
16:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04799932 = 0.144 BTC [+] {3}
16:56	robwhiz22	jurov, why is it often discussed here? Could you summarize?
16:57	fluffypony	robwhiz22: the rng project is basically based on buttcoin:sharpie density
16:57	robwhiz22	jurov, is there a write-up somewhere?
16:57	thestringpuller	!last m s.mpoe
16:57	assbot	Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00096485 BTC [+]
16:57	asciilifeform	i can't wait for this fellow's Amazing RNG Improvement ideas.
16:57	jurov	robwhiz22: google the logs for hookers+microphone
16:58	fluffypony	asciilifeform: the seed is a digital breathalyser...works best when you're drunk;)
16:58	asciilifeform	http://trilema.com/2013/unsorted-collection-of-various-cardano-related-updates-spurious-pics
16:58	asciilifeform	etc
16:58	ozbot	Unsorted collection of various Cardano related updates + spurious pics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mirce
17:01	mircea_popescu	"This brings me to the core of what I dislike about Wolfram's book. It is going to set the field back by years. On the one hand, scientists in other fields are going to think we're all crackpots like him. On the other hand, we're going to be deluged, again, with people who fall for this kind of nonsense. I expect to have to waste a lot of time in the next few years de-programming students who'll have read A New Kind of
17:01	mircea_popescu	Science before knowing any better."
17:01	mircea_popescu	fuycking problem of bitcoin.
17:02	mircea_popescu	we do not want "more adoption", especially if that "more adoption" is sandmans brought in by aspirin bitcoin "jesuses"
17:04	asciilifeform	https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=comp.lang.lisp/BUxXH76CYdc/IunywkAxufMJ
17:04	asciilifeform	it is worth noting that herr w. created his flagship product by 'pulling a bitcoinica'
17:05	asciilifeform	(ran off with taxpayer-funded 'macsyma' and hired some people to write a gui)
17:05	thestringpuller	the problem of bitcoin is the problem of the internet...eternal september
17:06	asciilifeform	there's a unique species of crackpot - the kind with actual power
17:06	asciilifeform	e.g. lysenko
17:06	jurov	all that rubbish. why i had to do my first programming steps in qbasic?
17:06	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform that's not pulling a bitcoinica, that's pulling a washingtonica.
17:06	turbo_ac100	no block found for 45 min. Is that true?
17:06	jurov	because nobody could be bothered to make free list for msdos
17:06	mircea_popescu	;;tslb
17:06	jurov	*lisp
17:06	gribble	Time since last block: 45 minutes and 21 seconds
17:06	joecool	lawdy
17:06		balls
17:06	jurov	all these high horses
17:07	mircea_popescu	jurov if you stole msdos to the degree you thought it was free
17:07	mircea_popescu	why didn't you steal lisp too
17:07	jurov	cuz nobody around had it
17:07	fluffypony	jurov: you think that's bad, I started on GWBASIC and then progressed to Pascal
17:07	fluffypony	took me years to unlearn bad habits
17:07	asciilifeform	there were many lisps of various descriptions for msdos
17:07	jurov	i progressed to pascal, too
17:07	*	bounce liked pascal
17:07	mircea_popescu	i actually liked qbasic. dunno why all the hate.
17:07	asciilifeform	but, afaik, no 'adult' ansi common lisp
17:07	thestringpuller	who didn't like basic
17:07	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: qbasic or quickbasic?
17:08	thestringpuller	it's classic
17:08	mircea_popescu	nono, qbasic.
17:08		urmom
17:08	mircea_popescu	it had this auto eval window
17:08	*	daybyter throws in some java...
17:08	fluffypony	yeah that was cool
17:08	bounce	back when, no ubiquitous 'net, not even a modem, and no connections to extoll the virtues of lisp
17:08	mircea_popescu	you'd go ? 12*32 and it was really like ;;calc
17:08		I still remember seeing a=a+1 for the first time
17:08	fluffypony	I vastly preferred PowerBasic to Turbo PAscal
17:08	fluffypony	*Pascal
17:08		and thinking that that statement was impossible
17:08	bounce	did get a forth from somebody, but without a good book it was hard to get started with it
17:08	asciilifeform	phun phact. msdos 'edit' is actually 'qbasic', with the basic ineptly commented out - in such a way that the code is still buried in the binary.
		↖
17:08		since algebra says things must be balanced
17:08	fluffypony	asciilifeform: I remember
17:08	mircea_popescu	and besides. qbasic came with monkeys.bas
17:09	mircea_popescu	i kept editing the code to do weird shit. was loads of fun
17:09	fluffypony	omg that and the tank game
17:09	thestringpuller	asciilifeform: I learned something today I never knew...mind blown.
17:09	daybyter	fluffypony: combat?
17:09	mircea_popescu	thestringpuller it was [pretty obvious even at the time. they looked alike.
17:09	Diablo-D3	and you know whats really fun?
17:09	Diablo-D3	quickbasic uses a more powerful version of that editor
17:10	fluffypony	daybyter: can't remember
17:10	bounce	some things are best forgotten
17:10	fluffypony	I remember when I got my Nokia 6110 and it had Snake on it
17:10	fluffypony	I was like
17:10	fluffypony	"Nibbles?"
17:10	mircea_popescu	hahaha yeah
17:10	fluffypony	and nobody understood wtf I was talking about
17:10	Diablo-D3	fuck yeah nibbles
17:11	daybyter	fluffypony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m86ftny1uY
17:11	daybyter	that game?
17:11	fluffypony	*clicks*
17:11	Diablo-D3	no not that game
17:11	Diablo-D3	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDc3ZEKl-Wc
17:11	ozbot	QBASIC Gorillas - YouTube
17:11	Diablo-D3	gorillas
17:11	Diablo-D3	lulz
17:11	fluffypony	daybyter: yes!
17:11	jurov	anyway. what i want to say, despite it was quite decent environment, it naturally led everyone to use turbopascal&co.
17:12	Diablo-D3	but yeah, qbasic had a scortched earth clone
17:12	jurov	if there was a cool DOS game built on lisp
17:12	jurov	we could have been years ahead
17:12	daybyter	fluffypony: I started a rewrite of that game in javascript to use it for coin gaming.
17:12	asciilifeform	problem being, all 'small' lisps are interpreters (what nearly everyone thinks of all lisps as being)
17:13	asciilifeform	because optimizing compilers are bulky - and require serious thought to write
17:13	joecool	finally a new block
17:13	fluffypony	jurov: I will say this much, Turbo Pascal forced me to learn asm because some functions were orders of magnitude faster when offloaded to inline asm
17:13	mircea_popescu	^
17:13	mircea_popescu	actually it was a while until they had the first optimizing compiler working
17:13	jurov	what problem? 386 can run a nifty logic game with interpreter
17:13	fluffypony	who remembers Swag, the Turbo Pascal code snippets collection?
17:13	robwhiz22	sorry, I received a phone call and was disconnected without noticing.
17:14	mircea_popescu	i remember dlh, the useful game info collection.
17:14	asciilifeform	fluffypony: me. i still consult 'swag' for algos, once in a blue moon.
17:14	mircea_popescu	good enough ?
17:14	dignork	ew, I remember writing TSR programs in TP+asm, it was a horrible junk
17:14	asciilifeform	anyone remember the 'magical decompiler' somebody planted in 'swag'? (actually the 'gold bug' virus)
17:15	fluffypony	asciilifeform: I remember trading copies on stiffy disk because the Internet wasn't as common, and then eventually in like 1998/1999 downloading my first "current" release
17:15	fluffypony	dignork: it was the gold standard at the time :-P
17:16	robwhiz22	mircea_popescu, you said earlier you did not see my two emails to you. I forwarded both to you now - did you get them?
17:16	daybyter	any android devs here?
17:16	daybyter	interested in tradebots?
17:17	robwhiz22	I used the address from the cryptome announcement, which you responded to once suggesting I talk to you here.
17:17	dignork	fluffypony, and Ralph Brown's INT list, although there was some nice interactive help system as well
17:17	robwhiz22	The forward includes both emails.
17:18	fluffypony	heh
17:18	fluffypony	dignork: before that list I used a Peter Norton programming guide that had an interrupt table
17:19	bounce	borland turbo pascal was a great step-up to asm because it was easy to get going with --also nicely light-weight compared to C!-- and made inline asm ridiculously easy.
17:19	fluffypony	bounce: agreed
17:19	fluffypony	borland really screwed things up over the years
17:20	bounce	smallest TSR I did was... 32 bytes total memory cost. 16 bytes code, 16 bytes allocated memory given to DOS before exiting.
17:20	jurov	^ and 20 years later, lispers still accusatorily point fingers in vain
17:21	jurov	Meh.
17:21	mircea_popescu	bounce inline asm is not easy in c ?
17:21	mircea_popescu	you can just put it in a pointer and... execute it.
17:21	fluffypony	dat asm
17:21	bounce	the tp compiler does its thing much quicker than the tc compiler
17:21	*	fluffypony http://kd5col.info/swag/SORTING/0043.PAS.html
17:23	bounce	and can relatively simply be put on a 360k floppy; just drop the bgi stuff from the std lib collection. compiler, stdlib, 3rd party editor. off you go. that just doesn't work so well with C.
17:24	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: if you want the compiler to asm for you, vs. having to drop in a hex string and function ptr to it, compiler has to understand inline asm.
17:24	dignork	bounce, there was a debug.exe just to write .COM, i think it was still supplied in winXP
17:24	mircea_popescu	but the difference is purely acaemic.
17:24	Naphex	people here should stop talking about turbo pascal
17:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.05402874 = 0.9725 BTC [-]
17:24	mircea_popescu	wtf is it going to do with it, give you asm error messages ?
17:25	Naphex	in order too keep this channel cool
17:25	Naphex	hehe
17:25	mircea_popescu	CD 21
17:25	mircea_popescu	there i've asm'd.
17:25	asciilifeform	lol!
17:26	mircea_popescu	:D
17:26	asciilifeform	i'm one of the lucky (unlucky?) folks who uses x86 asm at day job.
17:26	mircea_popescu	i haven't since the days i was looking through files to spot stoned.b
17:27	mircea_popescu	before "antivirus" was a thing
17:27	asciilifeform	a fun diversion, for those innocent of such matters:
17:27	asciilifeform	;;google ascii shellcode
17:27	gribble	Ascii shellcode - Blackhat Techniques - Hacking Tutorials: <http://www.blackhatlibrary.net/Ascii_shellcode>; Alphanumeric Shellcode - Metasploit Unleashed - Offensive Security: <http://www.offensive-security.com/metasploit-unleashed/Alphanumeric_Shellcode>; alpha3 - Alphanumeric shellcode encoder - Google Project Hosting: <https://code.google.com/p/alpha3/>
17:27	robwhiz22	mircea_popescu, I will have to go soon.
17:27	fluffypony	asciilifeform: on embedded devices or generally?
17:27	bounce	borland turbo C also had a similar "basm" thingy, so no need to fsck around with hexstrings. tp was just the thing we used because it was easy to use. indeed, easier than tc.
17:28	asciilifeform	fluffypony: generally. reading, rather than writing.
17:28	bounce	back in the days of 'zines over modem and even the odd book with virus listings from the library. forbidden knowledge!
17:29	MGK	Anyone interested in a graded MS65 1BTC casasius coin? Asking 1.5btc.
17:31	benkay	graded?
17:32	benkay	MGK: graded?
17:33	MGK	yes
17:33	MGK	MS65
17:34	jurov	as in, .999 fine brass?
17:34	benkay	as in .99 pure btc
17:36	fluffypony	bounce: fk was the shiznat
17:36	benkay	;;lasers
17:36	gribble	┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
17:36	jurov	;;railgun
17:36	gribble	Error: "railgun" is not a valid command.
17:36	mike_c	;;kittenlasers
17:36	gribble	Error: "kittenlasers" is not a valid command.
17:36	asciilifeform	;;nailgun
17:36	gribble	Error: "nailgun" is not a valid command.
17:36	jurov	;;monorailcat
17:36	gribble	Error: "monorailcat" is not a valid command.
17:36	fluffypony	bounce: or wait, I'm talking about the old South African zine called forbidden knowledge, not sure if you were just saying that in general
17:36	mike_c	;;laserkittens
17:36	gribble	ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*
17:36	jurov	wuuut
17:37	benkay	wow.
17:37	mike_c	what? it's a kitten with a laser. no biggie.
17:37	bounce	that didn't quite reach faraway europe, I don't think, no.
17:37	bounce	or maybe it did and I just don't remember.
17:38	MGK	yes the brass 2013
17:38	MGK	sorry Im doing a few things
17:38	fluffypony	bounce: http://web.textfiles.com/ezines/FK/
17:39	fluffypony	terrible
17:39	bounce	.txt file, starts with <html>. huh.
17:39	BingoBoingo	;;manul
17:39	gribble	Error: "manul" is not a valid command.
17:40	mircea_popescu	;;derpage
17:40	gribble	Error: "derpage" is not a valid command.
17:40	mircea_popescu	;/
17:40	fluffypony	reading some of the stuff I contributed is painful
17:40	fluffypony	14 years is a long time ago
17:40	bounce	;;canned derpage
17:40	gribble	Error: "canned" is not a valid command.
17:41	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00095797 = 9.5797 BTC [-]
17:41	benkay	hey mircea_popescu i think i'm misreading your mpex tech stuff article - web servers have a copy of the db to fulfill stat requests?
17:42	mircea_popescu	pretty much
17:42	mircea_popescu	it's anonimized to some degree, mostly by replacing keys, but that shouldn't be relied on.
17:43	benkay	do they then have a copy of the mpex keys as well? for the signing of stats etc?
17:45	benkay	mircea_popescu ^^
17:45	mircea_popescu	no
17:46	benkay	how does a stat get signed then?
17:46	mircea_popescu	that's complicated.
17:48	robwhiz22	mircea_popescu, I'll try to reach you tomorrow. What is the best time to talk in here?
17:49	benkay	complicated i can handle
17:50	mircea_popescu	well no, what i mean is "that's complicated" in the sense of i'm not about to spill it.
17:50	MGK	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile PM me if youre interested in a MS65 1BTC coin
17:50	ozbot	An Error Has Occurred
17:50	benkay	oh i got that loud and clear
17:52	robwhiz22	mircea_popescu, that is a good policy.
17:52	robwhiz22	I'll be on tomorrow.
17:53	fluffypony	I look forward to robwhiz22 joining us tomorrow
17:54	fluffypony	maybe he'll show us the sekrit dokumints
17:54	benkay	;;gettrust fluffypony
17:54	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask fluffypony!~fluffypon@geartri.be. Trust relationship from user benkay to user fluffypony: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=fluffypony | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=fluffypony | Rated since: Sat Apr 6 08:20:32 2013
17:54	fluffypony	;;ident fluffypony
17:54	gribble	Nick 'fluffypony', with hostmask 'fluffypony!~fluffypon@geartri.be', is identified as user 'fluffypony', with GPG key id 7455C5E3C0CDCEB9, key fingerprint BDA6BD7042B721C467A9759D7455C5E3C0CDCEB9, and bitcoin address 1FAvFCgXBmJ4uV3p1NFzWkkyndH7FJ6Vzx
17:54	fluffypony	;;voiceme
17:54	gribble	Error: You already have voice in #bitcoin-otc.
17:54	*	fluffypony hugs gribble
17:54	rithm	/nickserv identify rithm sekritpa55word
17:54	*	bounce proposes an ignore-o-meter that'll show who gets ignored by how many others in nice convenient bargraphs
17:54	rithm	DOH!
17:55	fluffypony	rithm: PRIVKEY NEXT PLZ
17:55	assbot	Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1775992/plain/)
17:55	mircea_popescu	!b 4
17:56	dignork	rithm, /msg NickServ SET PASSWORD sekritpa55word2
17:56	rithm	-----BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY-----
17:56	rithm	MIIEpQIBAAKCAQEA1lEXqr+TZ70mhIr+Ju92krlUiEO8MlXXXeZVAvZqlkI2AC2V
17:56	rithm	Qb+jTmfu/LwZXAYpsmgsi17zU0RytRO0/jYJ2P9HoY6x3qVvwm/Uoog1iVjaDrBd
17:56	rithm	F
17:56	rithm	omg hax
17:56	*	rithm knew he shouldn't have used ssl on his bouncer
17:57	*	fluffypony heartbleedz rithm dry
17:57	*	bounce next develops a calculus of (whatever the term is for the state of being ignored)
17:57	rithm	i tested my shit
17:57	dignork	rithm, pastebin your privkey, it got truncated :(
17:57	rithm	none of the affected are exposed
17:57	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0075 = 0.225 BTC [+]
17:57	rithm	i'm taking my time
17:57	rithm	drinking beer and shit watching the internet burn
17:58	rithm	ya'll didn't even try to login to nickserv gah
17:58	rithm	boring
17:59	rithm	thanks fluffypony
17:59	fluffypony	:)
17:59	*	rithm feels better
17:59	fluffypony	I try to make you happy
17:59	dignork	rithm, i just checked that i have this password in list of human generated passwords (i did)
17:59	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05405775 = 0.2703 BTC [-] {2}
17:59	rithm	nice
17:59	rithm	it's my passphrase to my wallet too
18:00	rithm	that i generated in stock ubuntu
18:00	rithm	it's still online with billions of bitcoins if you want 'em come get em bro
18:00	los_pantalones	so what's goin on right now? gox coins flooding mkt ?
18:00	fluffypony	rithm: I think I'm going to try random sha256 hash collision instead
18:01	mircea_popescu	los_pantalones what gox coins ?
18:01	akstunt600	lol gox coins
18:02	los_pantalones	karpeles selling usbs on the street?
18:02	akstunt600	hahhahahah yeah right
18:02	akstunt600	he is too much of a pussy for all that
18:02	los_pantalones	why not? he's dumb enough
18:02	los_pantalones	well, not that i'd know personally
18:02	los_pantalones	he seems dumb enough, excuse me
18:02	akstunt600	because hes scared
18:02	akstunt600	nooooo terrified
18:03	akstunt600	he thinks btc has been around 10yrs
18:03	akstunt600	lol
18:03	fluffypony	ohaaaai Mark
18:03	akstunt600	hahha
18:03	los_pantalones	ever seen that study about how really dumb people don't realize they are dumb
18:03	los_pantalones	defense mechanism
18:03	fluffypony	akstunt600: I'm sure he meant 10 years experience in netsec and not btc, though
18:03	akstunt600	i know :p
18:03	akstunt600	im toying
18:03	jurov	http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-core-developers-bitcoin-side-chains/ i herd you like blockchains, so...
18:04	akstunt600	hhahahahah jurov
18:04	akstunt600	this sidechain stuff is cool
18:04	akstunt600	like especially if they did like zerocoin styl on 2nd chain
18:04	los_pantalones	so, no theories on px move in here ?
18:04	los_pantalones	or no cares ?
18:04	fluffypony	what boggles my mind is that they (mtgox) were liquid enough to pay someone to rewrite everything in a less-crap way, and to permanently employ a bunch of CISSPs (at the very least)
18:05	benkay	;;later tell princessnell it's actually gpg keys which are tied to mpex accounts
18:05	gribble	The operation succeeded.
18:05	fluffypony	to have such an Ivory Tower complex that you don't is...well...
18:05	mircea_popescu	los_pantalones no one cares.
18:05	jurov	fluffypony look no further than thermos
18:05	los_pantalones	figured
18:05	los_pantalones	ty
18:05	fluffypony	jurov: don't get me started
18:05	fluffypony	makes me seriously irritated
18:05	akstunt600	lol
18:06	akstunt600	thermos?
18:06	akstunt600	wut?
18:06	fluffypony	akstunt600: yes, he doesn't keep the coffee hot!
18:06	mircea_popescu	fluffypony they never were liquid enough. not ever.
18:06	akstunt600	hahhahahhahahah
18:06	jurov	fluffypony no problem, lay here on the couch and let's latalk
18:06	jurov	*talk
18:06	kakobrekla	also put your pants down.
18:06	fluffypony	yes
18:06	benkay	davout mircea_popescu x.eur has delivery performed by delivery of cash to a bitcoin-central account, right?
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18:06	fluffypony	and if someone can give me a scalp massage
18:06	mircea_popescu	benkay yes.
18:07	mircea_popescu	people don't quite grasp how bad a business mtgox was on a cashflow basis.
18:07	benkay	;;later tell princessnell http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2014&bots=true#614499
18:07	gribble	The operation succeeded.
18:07	mircea_popescu	1. it was created by jeb mccaleb, the douche that recently fucked up kraken, and some other derps, on a shoestring.
18:07	dignork	mircea_popescu, but nobody knows really, have they ever published any reports?
18:07	mircea_popescu	it went nowhere so 2. karpeles took it over, with aid from some angel investors.
18:07	akstunt600	what did you expect they were a magic the gathering trading site
18:07	mircea_popescu	he proceeded to buy some failed polish exchange, which was over its history a loss,
18:08	akstunt600	well not officialy but i dont believeit
18:08	mircea_popescu	and then 3. got raped by jeb mccaleb (the "auditor") taking btc to 1 cent.
18:08	mircea_popescu	then they ran at a loss for all of 2012, piling more and more angel round money into a hole.
18:08	fluffypony	eish
18:08	akstunt600	yeah such sad shit
18:08	mircea_popescu	then just as 2013 brought increased prices and revenues, they lost 5mn dollars to the us fed, because karpeles is retarded and doesn't understand when to say no.
18:08	akstunt600	at least they didnt try to sell goxshares
18:09	fluffypony	hah
18:09	akstunt600	like cryptorush fiasco
18:09	mircea_popescu	all through this they were trying to daytrade, and doing it as well as bitcoinica
18:09	fluffypony	or IPO it
18:09	mircea_popescu	(horribly badly)
18:09	akstunt600	but thats small potatoes
18:09	akstunt600	omg IPO would have been epic
18:09	fluffypony	akstunt600: I know
18:09	fluffypony	in fact
18:09	mircea_popescu	this is something you can maybe carry on for a while, but if you're trying to it's a damned good idea not to annoy me as a side dish.
18:09	fluffypony	they should have done it as a coin
18:09	jurov	akstunt600: they will inevitably try it as "Gox"
18:09	fluffypony	GoxCoin IPO
18:10	akstunt600	Oh yeah that
18:10	mircea_popescu	and so this brings us to the spring of 2013, ever increasing pressures and eventually their collapse.
18:10	akstunt600	gox builder
18:10	akstunt600	lol
18:10	mircea_popescu	they never actually had a lump of money they didn't owe someone.
18:10	jurov	i want to see a bank that'll dare to manage New Gox's acct
18:10	akstunt600	hahahha i dont even want to see that attempted
18:11	mircea_popescu	dignork yes.
18:11	mircea_popescu	pdf, of course.
18:11	akstunt600	mircea_popescu, that makes perfect sense to me
18:11	akstunt600	I never touched them
18:12	dignork	mircea_popescu if i read the history correctly, their report was published once, and long time ago
18:12	mircea_popescu	three reports they published afaik
18:13	mircea_popescu	2010, 2011, 2012
18:15	jurov	http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303873604579493901002691642 as we speak
18:15	ozbot	Investor Group Seeks Court OK to Buy, Revive Bankrupt Bitcoin Exchange Mt. Gox - WSJ.com
18:15	jurov	need to find non paywalled article
18:16	los_pantalones	google the headline
18:16	mircea_popescu	jurov that's ok, that's the last anyone'll ever heard of that.
18:16	jurov	The investor group, which includes Brock Pierce, a former child actor-turned technology entrepreneur,
18:16	jurov	i think that's all i need to know
18:16	fluffypony	LOL
18:17	fluffypony	from now on I'm going to tell people I"m a former child actor-turned technology entrepreneur
18:18	jurov	.. and investor with hollywood ties
18:18	dignork	well, for 1btc I'd buy it just for lulz
18:18	akstunt600	hahhah jurov
18:18	mircea_popescu	dignork you familiar with court supervised acquisitions ?
18:19	bounce	not me, explain away. why do they need an "investor group" to pony up one full bitcoin, given that they're not paying the debts outright but planning to pay'em back by running the thing anew?
18:20	dignork	mircea_popescu, yes, not too deeply though. But I'd buy it only as "dignork", pgp key 8334BB7B5BDFA126
18:20	samson_	I can't get over the fact that 'Chicago-based SilkRoad Equity' are involved in this...
18:21	mircea_popescu	bounce you need to either pay upfront more than the judge evaluates the assets could conceivably fetch, or else execute a credible plan to deliver. and since this is examined by jurists rather than business people (and let alone forum fucktards) the estimates tend to be quite conservative.
18:21	akstunt600	samson_, I know right
18:21	fluffypony	samson_: I thought you were joking
18:21	samson_	no joke
18:21	mircea_popescu	there's a reason why noobs never succeed with these.
18:21	akstunt600	I dug that up to a while a go and was liek WTF
18:21	fluffypony	I know
18:21	fluffypony	http://www.silkroadequity.com
18:22	bounce	oh to start a company and requiring all titles to have "derp" in them somewhere.
18:23	fluffypony	Chief Derper
18:23	fluffypony	or Herpiest Derper
18:23	bounce	conservative as in generous?
18:24	cazalla	not surprising to see someone like Brock Pierce involved given his history with RMT, he's the 2nd person I've come across in bitcoin that I knew of before Bitcoin, first being voorhees from wickedfire heh
18:24	mircea_popescu	no, conservative as in "where did you go to school ?" and other anathema mp-esque questions the child actors of this world abhor.
18:24	dignork	bounce, not for the buyer
18:24	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: do they use a jury for financial stuff as well??? geeze...:/
18:24	mircea_popescu	fluffypony no, but that makes it worse.
18:24	bounce	"higher than a bargaining businessman would-be buyer would bid", then.
18:24	fluffypony	oh
18:24	fluffypony	I misread your sentence
18:25	fluffypony	I thought you said examined by jurors
18:25	fluffypony	too much wine and it's 12:30am
18:25	mircea_popescu	jurists, ie, people of teh legal profession
18:25	fluffypony	yeah re-read it now :)
18:25	bounce	ah. need to have an impressive name and such. so that's why this "child actor" got roped in.
18:26	jurov	i suspect hollywood wants to tap the drama
18:26	bounce	spendy drama quality drama
18:26	akstunt600	hahhahha fluffypony I would like to annouce new chief operating derp
18:27	jborkl	http://www.webpagetest.org/result/140410_78_127Y/ < mircea much better
18:27	ozbot	WebPagetest Test Result - Dulles : www.bcoinnews.com - 04/10/14 22:25:40
18:27	cazalla	I think he did much more in RMT than h is child acting days tbh
18:27	fluffypony	akstunt600: also we need a Derp Scientist
18:27	mircea_popescu	cazalla what's rmt ?
18:27	akstunt600	yup yup
18:27	cazalla	real money trade
18:27	bounce	a Science Derpist
18:27	mircea_popescu	jborkl indeed
18:27	mircea_popescu	cazalla uh what is that ?
18:28	cazalla	chinese gold farming
18:28	mircea_popescu	oh oh.
18:28	mircea_popescu	mkay.
18:28	cazalla	he was THE guy back in the EQ days
18:28	mircea_popescu	and voorhees you say ?
18:28	cazalla	yeah wickedfire which is interesting because I read an article where you said it would attrack the internet marketing crowd and I say there thinking oh top kek that's me
18:28	bgupta	http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/103374/mr-derp
18:29	ozbot	Mr. Derp - Video Clips - South Park Studios
18:29	cazalla	sat there, fuck i need a coffee
18:29	mircea_popescu	lol
18:31	fluffypony	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=287653.msg6159630#msg6159630 <- they're *still* Heartbleed vulnerable
18:31	ozbot	FairProof.com - the simplest provably fair bitcoin multi-lottery (instant)
18:31	fluffypony	I even pm'd them to tell them
18:31	fluffypony	and then they announce a new SSL cert, wtf
18:32	bounce	now the race is on to see who can post their secret key here the first
18:33	bounce	s/here the/here/
18:34	mircea_popescu	cazalla so what do you do, marketing wise ?
18:34	cazalla	nothing now, i just use to run spam blogs fill with adsense
18:34	mircea_popescu	fluffypony my wicked heart smiled when the thing was announced and schneier had to write an article about how he is affected. i on the other side, did not.
18:34	mircea_popescu	cazalla that's been dead for a while.
18:35	cazalla	panda/pengion killed it for me
18:35	fluffypony	cazalla: yeah, Google started loving content
18:35	cazalla	penguin even
18:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00095797 = 14.5611 BTC [-]
18:36	cazalla	fluffypony: i wouldn't go that far, more like loving adwords and their pushing their own products into every profitable vertical
18:36	asciilifeform	what's the excuse for a blog using ssl anyway?
18:36	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform "security"
18:36	asciilifeform	seekoority.
18:36	fluffypony	asciilifeform: aren't we moving towards SSL on everything forever?
18:36	mircea_popescu	no.
18:37	mircea_popescu	we are moving away from ssl and generally pki, and generally usg-crap. forever.
18:37	cazalla	still, never though indians writing 250 word articles for $3 would scale like it did
18:37	asciilifeform	as if ssl were useful if it worked as printed on the box.
18:37	fluffypony	this shit: https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere
18:37	cazalla	thought*.. going back to bed, damn baby crying all night and can't even focus on spelling
18:37	asciilifeform	all the noise people made about key escrow in the '90s - they swallowed it in the end regardless.
18:38	asciilifeform	all the buggers had to do was rename it 'pki'
18:38	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform here's the thing : bitcoin finally creates the possibility for natural selection.
18:38	asciilifeform	a turd 'by any other name would smell as...'
18:38	mircea_popescu	it matters not that ther world is full of mastodons as long as two mice are fucking somewhere.
18:50	akstunt600	WOW mu bro just refunded 3 neptunes
18:50	akstunt600	WTF
18:51	akstunt600	Thats 30k in btc wow
18:51	akstunt600	he shorted from 1k btc rpice wow
18:52	thestringpuller	;;ticker
18:52	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 380.28, Best ask: 380.62, Bid-ask spread: 0.34000, Last trade: 380.28, 24 hour volume: 43714.37060882, 24 hour low: 375.0, 24 hour high: 444.26, 24 hour vwap: 403.597670398
18:54	MGK	Im selling a graded MS65 1bitcoin casacious coin, asking 1.5BTC.
18:56	SatoshiJack	mp,tat -- you guys need to get some people building around atc! I've tried contacting the Brainwallet.org devs -- but no luck getting them to show atc some love...
18:56	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.58 = 3.48 BTC [+]
18:57	jurov	SatoshiJack: brainwallet should work with atc out of the box, no?
18:59	SatoshiJack	nope -- I don't think so -- no way to have it autogenerate based on the rules for atc... they will have to add support which would mean tweaking code for determinsitc wallets etc...
18:59	jurov	but atc has same rules as btc
18:59	benkay	different addresses, tho
18:59	jurov	how different?
19:00	benkay	what does your altcoin addr start with?
19:00	jurov	1
19:00	SatoshiJack	I will give you full details in a day or so -- we are going through the code now -- and figuring out what we have tobuild for it --- our big thing is -- how we generate address etc... I need to be able to generate like 1000 or so at a time -- and also to be able to submit transactions similar to how brainwallet.org works with blockchain.info for transaction submits...
19:00	benkay	huh
19:01	akstunt600	http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/
19:01	ozbot	Badger Badger Badger.com The Original Dancing Badgers!
19:01	benkay	coulda sworn they were different
19:01	akstunt600	thought you could use some cheering up
19:07	benkay	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe-f4gokRBs&list=PLBCFA347CE84FD2A9#t=151
19:07	ozbot	Mystery of Prince Rupert's Drop at 130,000 fps - Smarter Every Day 86 - YouTube
19:08	benkay	once upon a time i took 2nd place in physics for attempting to quantify polarization of light coming through a prd as a proxy for embedded stress
19:08	benkay	just look how fucking fast that thing tears itself apart
19:09	benkay	ha!
19:09	benkay	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe-f4gokRBs&list=PLBCFA347CE84FD2A9#t=199
19:09	ozbot	Mystery of Prince Rupert's Drop at 130,000 fps - Smarter Every Day 86 - YouTube
19:11	benkay	fractures move at like 1 mile/sec
19:11	benkay	wild stuff.
19:25	Mats_cd03	cute
19:32	blackwhite	so whats going on with btc? was it the australian bank that caused the drop?
19:33	midnightmagic	lol australian bank?
19:34	midnightmagic	http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/10/bitcoin-dumped-by-national-australia-bank-as-too-risky ah you mean that. Lame.
19:34	ozbot	Bitcoin firms dumped by National Australia Bank as 'too risky' | World news | theguardian.com
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20:01	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00095797 = 7.8075 BTC [-]
20:07	benkay	ops for assbot?
20:12	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.047899 = 0.2874 BTC [+] {2}
20:13	thestringpuller	;;ticker
20:13	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 361.0, Best ask: 363.12, Bid-ask spread: 2.12000, Last trade: 363.12, 24 hour volume: 49912.39410578, 24 hour low: 357.57, 24 hour high: 442.46, 24 hour vwap: 398.8274112
20:15	CheckDavid	Hi
20:15	CheckDavid	What is bitex?
20:15	CheckDavid	Exchange?
20:19	benkay	http://www.bitex.com/ ?
20:19	ozbot	.:: BITEX.COM ::.
20:23	CheckDavid	Maybe
20:23	CheckDavid	But it's in Russia
20:23	CheckDavid	And I thought the skin was British
20:24	benkay	why don't you bring the link
20:24	CheckDavid	Because I don't have
20:25	CheckDavid	I only heard about it
20:25	CheckDavid	Bitex ltd
20:25	kakobrekla	;;ticker
20:25	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 357.04, Best ask: 357.58, Bid-ask spread: 0.54000, Last trade: 357.04, 24 hour volume: 50103.19440652, 24 hour low: 357.04, 24 hour high: 442.46, 24 hour vwap: 398.721153266
20:25	CheckDavid	Skin = admin
20:27	mircea_popescu	SatoshiJack there is really no diff between bitcoin and altcoin addy gen. same algo.
20:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5603 @ 0.00095797 = 5.3675 BTC [-]
20:28	SatoshiJack	I hear ya mp... my issue is how to generate the transactions --- and send --- blockr does not provide -- but it's all good -- we are working around :)
20:29	mircea_popescu	there's an altcoind neh ?
20:30	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58000001 BTC [+]
20:32	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.58 = 11.6 BTC [-]
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20:50	MisterE	morning
20:50	MisterE	;;ticker ---market all
20:50	gribble	(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message)
20:50	MisterE	;;ticker --market all
20:50	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 355.0, vol: 52651.69613421 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 349.721, vol: 41922.56088 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 354.64, vol: 45261.05802284 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 364.99, vol: 234.57248346 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 362.1216, vol: 8919.47740000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 353.75804, vol: 20.11537123 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 363.883873894, vol: 308.9653489 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
21:04	jborkl_	Mircea , you see the mtgox news yet? Not that is any surprise
21:05	jborkl_	It is
21:06	minersdidit	karpeles get arrested?
21:08	benkay	nooz?
21:10	jborkl_	Mtgox possibly being bought
21:11	jborkl_	WSJ reported a couple hours ago
21:11	mike_c	yes, was discussed.
21:12	minersdidit	bought you mean handed over
21:12	danielpbarron	does that mean all those GoxCoins are worth something after all?
21:12	MisterE	handed over in terms of "take my exchange, please"
21:13	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11047 @ 0.00095797 = 10.5827 BTC [-]
21:13	minersdidit	bitcoin will probably be back to single digits by the time they settle that mess
21:13	kakobrekla	wont go below 2
21:13	minersdidit	lol
21:13	jborkl_	They would be assuming debt also
21:13	jborkl_	How much idk
21:15	minersdidit	wasnt karpeles using it as his personal piggyback?
21:16	mircea_popescu	jborkl it was here
21:18	minersdidit	bitcoins shitty economic algo killed the value
21:18	Duffer1	uh
21:19	Duffer1	oh hai guys
21:19	minersdidit	hai
21:19	danielpbarron	yeah the devs should have written it to give 50 billion units to their friends every month so it could be more like the dollar
21:19	minersdidit	bitcoin follows quantity theory of money which is flawed.
21:20	minersdidit	it will always have insane volatility. miners create 3600 coins even under falling demand
21:20	minersdidit	or when value rises theres no mechanism to supply the market
21:20	minersdidit	so you get insane ups and downs
21:20	danielpbarron	so?
21:20	minersdidit	impossible to use as settlement
21:21	minersdidit	youll have persistent periods of hyper deflation and hyper inflation like now
21:21	danielpbarron	so?
21:21	minersdidit	makes it useless
21:21	danielpbarron	to you, maybe
21:21	danielpbarron	I find it to be very useful; I'm not alone
21:22	danielpbarron	i'd rather have a volitile good money than a stable bad money
21:22	minersdidit	yea you arent very bright. the economics are flawed you have insane costs
21:22	minersdidit	its not about price stability that is absurd as well
21:22	minersdidit	you have no mechanisms that respond to market demands for money
21:22	danielpbarron	i guess you've never been to #bitcoin-otc
21:23	minersdidit	whats a trading post got to do with anything lol
21:23	danielpbarron	there are 629 mechanisms in there
21:23	minersdidit	money has to be elastic it cant be static ie linear
21:23	danielpbarron	why?
21:24	Duffer1	i don't see how you can say that when nothing like bitcoin has existed before
21:24	minersdidit	sure it has
21:24	minersdidit	100% gold standard did the exact same thing
21:24	Duffer1	instant, secure, worldwide, private value transmission does not = gold
21:24	minersdidit	danielpbarron: because economies are fractals they arent linear
21:24	danielpbarron	what does that even mean
21:25	minersdidit	im not argueing the superior technicalities
21:25	minersdidit	im argueing the flawed economics behind the coin creation
21:25	minersdidit	ie the supply
21:25	danielpbarron	you aren't doing a very good job
21:25	danielpbarron	i'm trying to understand you
21:25	mike_c	what money are you talking about? m1?
21:25	minersdidit	when the market demands for money increase bitcoin has no mechanism to supply it and vice versa
21:25	Duffer1	you mean you're ignoring the technical superiority in favor of your baseless assertions
21:25	minersdidit	its based on quantity theory
21:26	minersdidit	my assertions are baseless look at the price goes from 80 to 1200 back down
21:26	minersdidit	that will always occur
21:26	danielpbarron	minersdidit: the things you are saying are not true
21:26	minersdidit	making it impossible to use as settlement.
21:26	Duffer1	"that will always occur because.. gold"?
21:26	danielpbarron	bitcoin does indeed have many meechanisms to supply
21:26	minersdidit	danielpbarron of course they are true. we can observe it occuring
21:27	minersdidit	miners create coins regardless of market needs for them, this increases volatility when they drain the liquidity pools
21:27	danielpbarron	you must have your eyes closed then, because there are tens of thousands of "mechanisms"
21:27	minersdidit	no there arent.
21:27	minersdidit	hence the insane volatility
21:27	mircea_popescu	minersdidit who are you exactly ?
21:27	danielpbarron	you are making the argument that a central bank knows better than a decentralized network
21:27	minersdidit	a troll
21:28	mircea_popescu	a ok. carry on.
21:28	Duffer1	anyways have you guys heard the great news?
21:28	danielpbarron	even if the central bank was better at stabilizing prices (it isn't) that wouldn't make up for the corruption inherent in giving that much power to one authority
21:28	minersdidit	danielpbarron um when did i bring up central banking or fiat?
21:29	Duffer1	for only 11,200 btc you can be the proud owners of 40% of YET ANOTHER havelol startup
21:29	minersdidit	and when did i say stable prices are optimal?
21:29	Duffer1	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=565415.0
21:29	ozbot	[HAVELOCK] AlcheMiner Scrypt ASIC IPO Friday April 11
21:29	minersdidit	typical bitcoin shill. instantly brings up the fiat strawman that was never discussed in the first place
21:29	danielpbarron	well then start making sense
21:29	danielpbarron	i can't read your mind
21:29	minersdidit	learn to read i am making sense
21:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00096211 = 6.3018 BTC [+] {2}
21:30	minersdidit	when the market needs bitcoin theres no mechanism to supply them other then the set in stone linear 3600 coins, this brings insane price volatility to the upside
21:30	danielpbarron	ok so you want something like bitcoin, but with.. more inflation? or a backdoor to let devs tweak the block reward?
21:30	minersdidit	when that wanes out, you get insane volatility to the downside as the algo keeps supplying useless coins
21:30	danielpbarron	yeah and i'll buy them
21:30	danielpbarron	problem solved
21:30	minersdidit	no for bitcoin to work you need some decentralized system that works on the real bills doctrine
21:31	minersdidit	thats the only way the gold standard functioned
21:31	Duffer1	minersdiditwhen the market needs bitcoin theres no mechanism to supply them >>> you work for money, that's the mechanism
21:31	minersdidit	when that mechanism was removed it collapsed
21:31	Duffer1	why would it issue more than you work for?
21:31	minersdidit	duffer1 um no you dont work for bitcoins when the volatility is so insane you cant measure what your work is even worth.
21:31	Duffer1	simply because the market wants it to?
21:31	minersdidit	a money supply expands and contracts ie ELASTIC
21:31	TestingUnoDosTre	there are so many fucking bitcoins dropping
21:31	minersdidit	like an economy
21:31	Duffer1	your work is worth x btc
21:32	minersdidit	lol dude you cant even tell me what your work was worth an hour ago
21:32	minersdidit	the price moved what 20%?
21:32	benkay	i;ll price my work quite happily in btc
21:32	benkay	.5/hr
21:32	Duffer1	it's worth x btc, what people choose to price that in fiat is a separate matter
21:32	minersdidit	and im not talking about fiat price
21:32	minersdidit	you can "price" bitcoin in anything since its a ratio
21:32	danielpbarron	idk, i think these only appear to be problems to individuals who still have a foot in FIAT
21:33	minersdidit	you cant value your work when the meter stick you are using is a rubber band
21:33	minersdidit	to measure with
21:33	danielpbarron	if all your inputs and outputs are BTC, you wouldn't notice so much
21:33	minersdidit	yea you would lol
21:33	benkay	the other side is that i know the fraction of the monetary reserve my work is worth
21:33	mike_c	curious, where would you have "stabilized" the price? $1? $10?
21:33	benkay	i find that rather satisfying.
21:33	minersdidit	i wouldnt stabalize the price. i just told you, you need something like decentralized discount bills that settle in BTC
21:34	minersdidit	thats beyond your primitive understanding to even bother explaining
21:34	danielpbarron	then why bother mentioning it
21:34	mike_c	try speaking english, that will help.
21:34	minersdidit	its not about PRICE satbility. its about mechanisms that respond to market needs hence reducing volatility
21:34	Duffer1	minersdiditand im not talking about fiat price >> yes you are, your btc work will always be worth x btc, the only volatility is fiat market pricing of that work
21:34	minersdidit	price stability is NOT wanted in any economy
21:35	minersdidit	prices need to move around
21:35	benkay	<minersdidit> thats beyond your primitive understanding to even bother explaining << tiberius move, iirc
21:35	minersdidit	bitcoin cant work alone its already been tried with 100% gold
21:35	mike_c	actually 5% gold 95% tungsten
21:35	benkay	claim, claim, claim, wait for sucker to bite, argue, say 'you're too stupid for me to possibly explain this'
21:35	Duffer1	hehe
21:36	danielpbarron	the old states used to water down the gold coins; nothing new under the sun
21:36	benkay	government will always dilute the currency, given the opportunity.
21:36	minersdidit	i dont have to claim anything the evidence is all around you
21:36	minersdidit	look at insane volatility
21:36	benkay	luckily it doesn't matter
21:36	benkay	i can wait 10 years
21:36	danielpbarron	yeah i'm not worried
21:37	benkay	if it's still blow stamps for kiddies at that point, no big.
21:37	minersdidit	@ $1200 a btc miners were being subsidized to the tune of 5million dollars to secure 80k transactions
21:37	benkay	i have resource streams.
21:37	minersdidit	that 5million was coming out of users
21:37	mike_c	my bitcoin is still worth a bitcoin. except the ones i lost on that stupid $400 bitbet.
21:37	benkay	HAW
21:37	benkay	no, those are still worth 1B too.
21:37	minersdidit	it was impossible to sustain becuase we dont even have 1billion of fiat on order books
21:37	benkay	sounds like a bubble, minersdidit
21:37	danielpbarron	lol benkay
21:37	minersdidit	miners now get paid what 1million to secure the same 80k transactions
21:38	minersdidit	do you see the problem here? as the real value rises so does the cost to run the network
21:38	danielpbarron	so???
21:38	benkay	how is the subsidy different and the txn value the same?
21:38	minersdidit	its not differnt
21:38	minersdidit	the subsidy is like a $40 per transfer tax
21:38	minersdidit	in december
21:38	danielpbarron	minersdidit: do you know how much wealth is wasted running the current financial system?
21:38	Duffer1	you're pricing mining activity in fiat?
21:38	benkay	miners got paid 25 bitcoin to move some other number of btc around, plus txn fees
21:39	minersdidit	you can price it in anything dude
21:39	minersdidit	miners had obscene margins and every incentive to realize them
21:39	Duffer1	i price it in btc...
21:39	minersdidit	hence its what theyve been doing
21:39	minersdidit	miners created bitstamps order book every 3 days in november
21:39	benkay	lose everything buying at 1200, minersdidit ?
21:39	Duffer1	since that's the reward for doing the work..
21:39	minersdidit	dude can you read?
21:39	minersdidit	they are getting paid extra for no new work performed
21:40	benkay	now or then?
21:40	minersdidit	even now
21:40	benkay	eh
21:40	benkay	still not really caring.
21:40	minersdidit	theres not enough fiat demand to support what miners are creating out of thin air everyday
21:40	steven-__	not sure im following you minersdidit
21:40	mike_c	is there any fiat demand? who wants fiat?
21:40	minersdidit	3600 coins per day x 400 is what the miners are being paid in subsidies
21:40	Duffer1	coin generation, network security are work as well
21:40	minersdidit	to "secure" a network that only transfers 67k
21:41	minersdidit	they will be constantly on the ask side
21:41	minersdidit	which is what has been occuring
21:41	danielpbarron	minersdidit: there is a lot of wealth that will be fleeing FIAT soon, and it will choose Bitcoin
21:41	minersdidit	no it wont
21:41	danielpbarron	well that's my bet
21:41	minersdidit	bitcoin has no liquidity to support any type of wealth fleeing into it
21:41	minersdidit	and for every seller of BTC there is also a buyer
21:41	minersdidit	so your arguement makes no sense
21:41	danielpbarron	ok, that statement seems to completely contradict the other stuff you've been saying
21:42	Duffer1	capital flight will seek precious metals and other solid commodities imo, btc a bit too
21:42	danielpbarron	either there is too much BTC or not enough? which is it?
21:42	TestingUnoDosTre	mike_c, at least you didn't almost lose .5 btc at the last minute like this guy <-----
21:42	minersdidit	no it doesnt. the quantity theory of money that bitcoin is based on, guarantees insane volatility
21:42	minersdidit	which will NOT attract wealth
21:42	minersdidit	hence why 5 years in we still have out of control price swings
21:42	benkay	so make the perfect alt
21:42	minersdidit	its not a question of that
21:42	mike_c	TestingUnoDosTre: um, i actually lost. seems worse than almost lost :)
21:42	benkay	with elastic supply
21:43	minersdidit	money has to reflect what the economy is doing, which is a fractal it expands and contracts hence elastic
21:43	TestingUnoDosTre	i lost, and I also lost the 1% by trying to bid last minute
21:43	minersdidit	it cant be a linear algo lol
21:43	akstunt600	benkay, i agree
21:43	akstunt600	that would be nice
21:43	akstunt600	but how?
21:43	akstunt600	lol
21:43	minersdidit	bitcoins value is relative to the liquidity pool of bids that is available
21:43	benkay	economy is a fractal yo
21:43	minersdidit	miners drain that pool constantly
21:43	akstunt600	true
21:44	Duffer1	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5wGgVWvluk
21:44	ozbot	The 10 Most Insane Things You Didn't Know About the Universe | Marvels of the Science | Episode 6 -
21:44	minersdidit	making it more difficult to attract more
21:44	akstunt600	Fucking miners
21:44	akstunt600	oops wait im a miner
21:44	benkay	lay off the entheogens, kid.
21:44	akstunt600	lol
21:44	TestingUnoDosTre	hahahha
21:44	Duffer1	this whole conversation >.<
21:44	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2771 @ 0.00095723 = 2.6525 BTC [-]
21:44	minersdidit	yea you too stupid to see it
21:44	benkay	resorts to ad hominems
21:44	minersdidit	youll have persistent hyperinflation and hyperdeflation
21:44	danielpbarron	i'm starting to get what you are saying, minersdidit, but I still don't agree
21:45	minersdidit	its not my theory, its reality look how bitcoin acts
21:45	minersdidit	its 5 years in.
21:45	akstunt600	minersdidit, Sooo that why dogecoin is better?
21:45	*	akstunt600 akakkakakkakakakka
21:45	danielpbarron	exactly, 5 years old... that isn't very long ago
21:45	akstunt600	very very young
21:45	minersdidit	thats a century in internet time.
21:46	danielpbarron	well it only took the dollar a century to lose most of its value; Bitcoin's looking pretty good
21:46	minersdidit	5 years on the internet with instant information awareness is like 100-200 years
21:46	minersdidit	yea bitcoin does it in a day lol
21:46	akstunt600	danielpbarron, hahhah so true
21:46	MGK	anyone interested in buying a graded MS65 1btc coin?
21:47	TestingUnoDosTre	wtf is that
21:47	danielpbarron	i've never seen Bitcoin lose most its value, but I wasn't around for that first MtGox hack
21:47	MGK	a casacious coin?
21:47	MGK	never heard of those?
21:48	minersdidit	danialbarron its lost what 40% in the last 24hrs alone?
21:48	minersdidit	what will it take for you to see most of its value? 51%?
21:48	TestingUnoDosTre	like a coin that you can hack by pealing off the adhesive?
21:48	danielpbarron	that's not most, and that's also an exageration
21:49	minersdidit	im sorry 1/3rd
21:49	benkay	say we clear back to 10
21:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.03587424 = 0.7175 BTC [+] {7}
21:49	minersdidit	bitcoin has lost about 60% of its "value" from january 1st
21:49	benkay	it's lost none of its value.
21:49	benkay	the crypto's still rock solid.
21:49	benkay	the txn net is stronger than ever.
21:50	benkay	the fundamentals remain.
21:50	benkay	fiat pricing silliness has not and never will matter.
21:50	minersdidit	price in anything
21:50	minersdidit	its down 60-70%
21:50	TestingUnoDosTre	alright, but if you had 10 dollars waiting to invest in bitcoin last week, versus today, how much more bitcoin would it buy benkay?
21:50	benkay	make this argument in a decade.
21:50	TestingUnoDosTre	totally not a legitimate argument
21:51	benkay	not you, TestingUnoDosTre
21:51	benkay	the "it's crazy vix week dot butts! bitcoin is useless!" argument.
21:51	minersdidit	bitcoin will be at version 0.92 in a decade with the current developmeant team
21:51	minersdidit	still promising multi sig
21:51	TestingUnoDosTre	bitcoin utility hasn't budged a bit, but the value has most definitely dropped
21:52	danielpbarron	i think multi sig already exists
21:52	benkay	see now jump to a new topic, a new stupid claim
21:52	minersdidit	the utility sucks. 30% value swings in 24hrs
21:52	benkay	utility != price, price != value
21:52	benkay	ffs
21:52	minersdidit	plus horrendous bid/ask spread when trying to get some
21:52	benkay	yeah it's expensive and hard to get. what of it?
21:52	benkay	so is good blow.
21:52	danielpbarron	this is ridiculous, it's open source; if the devs really did suck (arguable..) then new ones will sprout up
21:53	minersdidit	no they wont
21:53	benkay	reference client isn't the only client
21:53	minersdidit	nobody pays them to sprout up
21:53	benkay	conformal do you even?
21:53	minersdidit	will mircea come in with a donation like openbsd lol
21:53	danielpbarron	minersdidit: maybe
21:53	danielpbarron	who paid satoshi?
21:54	minersdidit	you did
21:54	danielpbarron	so who will pay future devs?
21:54	Duffer1	minersdiditnobody pays them to sprout up >> have you heard of github?
21:54	benkay	github.com/conformal/btcd
21:54	benkay	next.
21:54	minersdidit	bitcoin developers are poor quality because their is zero incentive to attract proper professionals
21:55	benkay	read the conformal source. next.
21:55	TestingUnoDosTre	laughable at best ^
21:55	minersdidit	its a circus of amateurs from the last dotcom crash
21:55	TestingUnoDosTre	omfg
21:55	*	benkay waits for this thread of troll to spin out
21:55	minersdidit	how is it laughable, theres persistent amateur bugs discovered
21:55	TestingUnoDosTre	amateur?!?!
21:55	danielpbarron	there is probably some truth to that one (re: amateurs from dotcom)
21:55	minersdidit	all the failures of the dotcom crash resurfaced in bitcoin
21:56	minersdidit	andreas etc.
21:56	TestingUnoDosTre	how quickly was an openSSL bug patched in the bitcoin community when released
21:56	danielpbarron	yeah, I read all about them on bitcointalk lol
21:56	TestingUnoDosTre	how long will the openSSL bug persist in everyday use?
21:56	minersdidit	wasnt it exposed for 2 years
21:56	mircea_popescu	so are we getting a proposal on how to fix bitcoin or noit just yet ?
21:56	mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTre prolly a year or so
21:56	danielpbarron	lolol ^^
21:56	BCB	mircea_popescu, did you see that new paper about regulation
21:56	BCB	you were mentioned
21:56	danielpbarron	yeah get to the point and write your new superbitcoin already, minersdidit
21:57	TestingUnoDosTre	which paper <BCB>
21:57	minersdidit	im too stupid too and theres no need
21:57	BCB	looking
21:57	benkay	princessnell's, most likely.
21:57	danielpbarron	minersdidit: then stfu
21:57	minersdidit	my statements are still accurate
21:57	benkay	k great thanks
21:57	minersdidit	bitcoin development team = losers from dotcom bust
21:57	benkay	yup great awesome
21:57	minersdidit	drifted on the internet for a decade until bitcoin came along
21:57	Trader1333	hi guys
21:57	benkay	.bait
21:57	ozbot	http://37.media.tumblr.com/c0ffb11b384a31510c604f6647dbeb6f/tumblr_mwdjdeeU8g1r5peaqo1_1280.jpg
21:58	minersdidit	hi Trader1333
21:58	Trader1333	i am wondering if there is a way to buy future contracts for BTC?
21:58	danielpbarron	if you want to rile bitcoiners up with that line, go to #bitcoin-dev
21:58	TestingUnoDosTre	;;google bitcoin future
21:58	gribble	Bitcoin's future: Hidden flipside | The Economist: <http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21599054-how-crypto-currency-could-become-internet-money-hidden-flipside>; Felix Salmon – The Bitcoin Bubble and the Future of Currency ...: <http://news.rapgenius.com/Felix-salmon-the-bitcoin-bubble-and-the-future-of-currency-annotated>; Bitcoin: The Currency Of The (1 more message)
21:58	Trader1333	trying to acquire either 5 BTC weekly or $2500.
21:58	Trader1333	worth
21:58	BCB	TestingUnoDosTre, it's linked here: http://techliberation.com/2014/04/10/our-new-draft-paper-on-bitcoin-financial-regulation-securities-derivatives-prediction-markets-gambling/
21:58	Trader1333	willing to do a legally binding agreement of such and put forth my car as compensation should it cost too much
21:59	minersdidit	losers will always be losers, bitcoin allowed that particular group to get "another chance" to return to silicon valley, hence their constant obsession with conferences
21:59	danielpbarron	Trader1333: you sure about that? I hear Bitcoin is too volitile to be worth anything
21:59	Trader1333	i see BTC dropping to $100 but i dont care i need BTC weekly and constant. i need a way to buy BTC and i dont care if it goes to $10k or $1 im buying same amount weekly
21:59	danielpbarron	hah, I live really close to the last conference and I didn't go (or even hear about it)
21:59	Duffer1	i'm reminded of krugman's 'why the internet will never be popular' thesis..
22:00	Trader1333	i flip it weekly and make good margins. hell i make more than someone as a general manager of a fast food joint and i only do it for 5 hours a week roughly.
22:00	minersdidit	well the internet is a cesspool
22:00	minersdidit	i dont think anyone except andreas denies that lol
22:00	TestingUnoDosTre	<BCB> i see no mention of mp
22:00	danielpbarron	minersdidit: i agree with you there
22:00	Trader1333	problem is this stupid market no one wants to sell. so i figured if i offered a contract to buy at 1% above bitstamp the same amount every week, month to month contract, there would be some interest.
22:00	BCB	TestingUnoDosTre, it is in the attached paper http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2423461
22:00	Trader1333	dont have time for the stupid market volatility.
22:01	minersdidit	if you actually read krugmans article he was kind of correct.
22:01	minersdidit	the internet generation is poorer then their parents
22:01	benkay	that's for damn sure.
22:01	minersdidit	that simple fact shows you that the internet failied to deliver the utopia guys like andreas claimed it did
22:01	TestingUnoDosTre	***than
22:02	Duffer1	andreas?
22:02	minersdidit	yea high priest of bitcoin
22:02	minersdidit	antonopolous
22:02	benkay	new, unrelated tangent...
22:02	benkay	kakobrekla: ping
22:02	TestingUnoDosTre	huh?
22:03	minersdidit	and silicon valley "tech" and innovation is a joke. they create companies that sell advertisements
22:03	kakobrekla	pong
22:03	benkay	fun trollage in here this afternoon
22:03	minersdidit	use ignore benkay
22:03	kakobrekla	yeah well it is what it is.
22:03	benkay	what's ignore?
22:04	Trader1333	know its not the place, but if anyone wishes to sell 6.6 BTC let me know. or a contract to buy $2500 on Monday at whatever bitstamp +1% is.
22:05	Duffer1	trader1333 #bitcoin-otc
22:05	Trader1333	go to OTC where its a bunch of circle jerkers no thank you. oh and escrow is required.
22:05	minersdidit	yea the bastion of liquidty
22:05	benkay	;;gettrust Trader1333
22:05	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user Trader1333: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=Trader1333 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Trader1333 | Rated since: never
22:06	benkay	well with trust like that
22:06	minersdidit	any bets up on bitbet when bitstamp goes the way of mtgox?
22:06	benkay	surely you're familiar with a search bar, minersdidit
22:06	minersdidit	already starting not to pay people out larger then a few K ammounts
22:07	Trader1333	@benkay who cares about trust, we use an escrow. cash deposit, moneypak, whatever method you need.
22:07	Trader1333	i dont come on IRC after i got thrown out for basically buying and wouldnt accept the chatroom's escrow.
22:07	Trader1333	then got called a scammer and such.
22:07	benkay	good plan
22:07	benkay	run up into a foreigners bar
22:07	minersdidit	then what escrow did you want to use?
22:07	Trader1333	i only use members of bitcointalk such as DannyHamilton, Tomatocage, escrow.ms, etc.
22:07	benkay	"TREAT ME LIKE THEY DO BACK HOME RAAARGH"
22:07	minersdidit	fellow scammers
22:07	benkay	get beat
22:08	benkay	"THEY'RE MEAN!"
22:08	MGK	who are you on bitcointalk forum?
22:08	Trader1333	LOL scammers. what a joke.
22:08	danielpbarron	everyone is a scammer if you give them enough time or money.. except me! you can trust me
22:09	Trader1333	does anyone know a place in BTC that sells futures for BTC price?
22:09	minersdidit	mpex
22:09	Trader1333	i need a way to lock in prices when i buy or get buy order fulfilled.
22:09	Trader1333	hm
22:09	minersdidit	mircea will sell you anything but good luck ever getting out of the trade.
22:09	TestingUnoDosTre	bitforex
22:09	TestingUnoDosTre	scamtopia
22:09	Trader1333	i have no interest in getting out of the trade.
22:09	Trader1333	im looking for a way that i can preserve my USD investment value.
22:10	MGK	lol
22:10	minersdidit	mpex will sell you put options
22:10	Trader1333	i buy BTC on coinbase and want the same USD value come friday whether the value of BTC has gone up 100% or down to $1.
22:10	TestingUnoDosTre	*for a preciious premium
22:10	minersdidit	lol nobody sane will do that
22:10	minersdidit	hence why mpex options failed
22:11	Trader1333	personally i see BTC dropping to $100 anyways
22:11	Trader1333	but like i said, i am not an investor in BTC at anything over $100. im only a mover.
22:12	Trader1333	i need constant BTC coming in which is what is slowing things down right now as this stupid bullshit pyramid scheme basically market was quickly raised to $1100 and now people think itd actually go back, ha.
22:12	minersdidit	benkay is a player
22:12	benkay	?
22:12	benkay	more like a clown
22:12	Trader1333	Pump and dump and everyone fell for it and people still fail to see itl lol.
22:12	benkay	court jester, if you will.
22:13	mircea_popescu	BCB no ?
22:13	BCB	mircea_popescu, linked above
22:14	Trader1333	Popescu do you offer a way I can hedge a BTC purchase I make every week on Monday so that it remains the same USD value whether it goes up or down...a futures contract if you will.
22:14	mircea_popescu	Trader1333 probably not. you have no wot and generally, nobody gives a shit.
22:14	minersdidit	mircea you have a WOT and you still scam
22:14	minersdidit	whats that got to do with anything lol
22:14	Trader1333	dont care about WOT willing to meet in person if need be and sign contract binding my car to failure to pay. i buy 5 BTC weekly or $2500 every week, month to month contracts.
22:15	minersdidit	lol
22:15	Trader1333	car worth 3x that.
22:15	TestingUnoDosTre	where is your moms house / where do you live Trader1333?
22:15	mircea_popescu	you'll pay whatever it costs whenever you find anyone willing to sell yoiu some. if you ever do.
22:15	Trader1333	DC
22:15	TestingUnoDosTre	sorry no can do, I'm midwest mang
22:15	Trader1333	hell ill escrow the following week's payments too.
22:16	TestingUnoDosTre	I only deal in straight cash, homay
22:16	Trader1333	not against escrow, just wish i had options. i would use coinbase instant buy but they changed their bullshit to only being visa credit cards for backing the account.
22:16	Trader1333	i only have mastercard credit cards.
22:16	Trader1333	as do i testing.
22:16	TestingUnoDosTre	go to bitcoin-otc
22:17	danielpbarron	he probably got banned from there already
22:17	minersdidit	mircea_popescu: comment on development team
22:17	Trader1333	$2400 cash in hand last 4 days and willing to buy BTC at bitstamp +1% and have it in hand same day. Its impossible. When market rising and things good could find it all the time.
22:17	thestringpuller	Trader1333: get in the WoT dude...
22:17	thestringpuller	stop being a n00b
22:17	TestingUnoDosTre	bitstamp +1% isn't even a deal
22:17	mircea_popescu	BCB what's unclear to me is why are any of those three people qualified to opine on regulation.
22:17	MGK	you sound like a total scammer
22:17	benkay	plus cash sucks, Trader1333, gotta go with moneypak
22:17	minersdidit	thickasthieves and goat are on WOT
22:17	Trader1333	Do tell MGK how i sound AT ALL like a scammer.
22:17	minersdidit	both are scammers
22:18	Trader1333	i want to hear this.
22:18	Trader1333	i say escrow, i say next week's payment in advance and all.
22:18	Trader1333	do tell HOW AM I A SCAMMER.
22:18	thestringpuller	minersdidit: how is ThickAsThieves a scammer?
22:18	Trader1333	do tell mgk you little prick.
22:18	minersdidit	he was hawking all sorts of garbage
22:18	Trader1333	you want to run your mouth and u dont know me.
22:18	thestringpuller	;;gettrust ThickAsThieves
22:18	minersdidit	with his TATinvestments
22:18	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user ThickAsThieves: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=ThickAsThieves | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ThickAsThieves | Rated since: Sat Mar 2 11:19:18 2013
22:18	benkay	kinda weak wot.
22:19	MGK	trader1333 scamming since 1994
22:19	Trader1333	does bitsimple accept any other methods besides bank wire? i'd use them all day if there wasnt that stupid bank wire fee.
22:19	minersdidit	TAT was mirceas nigger for a bit before going off on his own and hawking the latest scams
22:19	Trader1333	oh really? wheres that number come from u nit?
22:19	minersdidit	lol MGK
22:20	thestringpuller	minersdidit: he reapid XBOND, people made that a bubble and ruined it
22:20	minersdidit	hes a nigger
22:20	thestringpuller	so are you
22:21	benkay	IMPASSE
22:21	BCB	mircea_popescu, someon has to do it. Speculating about bitcoin is a cottage industry
22:21	mircea_popescu	aok.
22:23	MGK	BCB buy this MS65 1BTC coin from me I got from NightOwl
22:26	TestingUnoDosTre	why the fuck would anybody buy "physical" bitcoin
22:26	mircea_popescu	novelty
22:26	BCB	an they I love physical bitcoin.
22:26	BCB	There are some nice ones out there
22:27	TestingUnoDosTre	they literally can be stolen
22:27	BCB	But I already have too many
22:27	danielpbarron	I almost did and then the next day some hacker figured out a way to get the key without ruining the sticker
22:27	BCB	The Silver Bitcoin Wallets are nice
22:27	MGK	yeah I sold a .5 to blazedout and looking to sell this one too
22:27	MGK	but this ones in a ANAC case
22:28	BCB	I only collect 10 and 100 BTC coins
22:28	BCB	perferably gold
22:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15474 @ 0.00095701 = 14.8088 BTC [-] {2}
22:34	minersdidit	which ones BCB
22:35	BCB	mostly casascius coin. I have a few Titians and a Silver Wallet.
22:36	minersdidit	whatever happened to darkwallet?
22:37	MisterE	*sigh* gonna be a long log to catch up on today :)
22:38	minersdidit	gavin decided to jump ship
22:38	MisterE	TestingUnoDosTre: numismatic value :p
22:38	Duffer1	misere you can probably skip the bit where minersdidit starts talking up through now, nothing of value imo
22:38	TestingUnoDosTre	is that like the value of the penny after they stopped using copper?
22:39	Duffer1	mistere.. dat frued slip do
22:39	MisterE	haha, both of you
22:39	MisterE	:)
22:39	minersdidit	i thought this was suppose to be the smarter chat
22:40	minersdidit	instead the same shills repeat the same lines
22:40	Duffer1	we can't all be beuatiful
22:40	Duffer1	or good spellers
22:40	MisterE	probably have more holdings tho :p
22:40	MisterE	I know terrible metric
22:41	minersdidit	core developers killed bitcoin imo
22:41	minersdidit	losers make losers
22:42	MisterE	trollol
22:42	minersdidit	http://trilema.com/2014/the-sins-of-the-group-of-posers-behind-the-so-called-bitcoin-foundation/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
22:42	ozbot	The sins of the group of posers behind the so called “Bitcoin Foundation” pe Trilema - Un blog d
22:42	TestingUnoDosTre	wheres the ignore button
22:43	mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTre /ignore nick ALL
22:43	MisterE	*!*
22:43	TestingUnoDosTre	hahaha
22:43	minersdidit	Deliberately and quite maliciously tried to meld the BleedingHeart openssl vulnerability into the Bitcoin code. The move seemed bizarre at the timei, seeing how there was exactly zero need and pretty much epsilon benefit of implementing such kludge, and given that everyone with a clue involved pretty much agreed PKI is broken beyond repair anyway. To properly understand the implications of this : NSA has had, for two years
22:43	MisterE	trollharder.jpg
22:43	MisterE	minersdidit: they would really benefit from your wealth of knowledge in the BTCe chatbox
22:44	minersdidit	go away
22:44	TestingUnoDosTre	hahaha
22:44	Duffer1	lmao
22:44	MGK	all honesty bitcoin is stupid slow
22:44	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 15000 @ 0.000145 = 2.175 BTC [-] {3}
22:45	TestingUnoDosTre	in all honesty, stocks are stupid slow
22:45	TestingUnoDosTre	it takes me lieeeeeek 3 days to sell it and get fiat to my bank
22:45	benkay	real world is slow anyways
22:45	MGK	it takes like 3 days for me to send bitcoin
22:45	minersdidit	great article by mircea
22:45	TestingUnoDosTre	you need to upgrade your subscription to aol
22:46	MisterE	MGK: stop being a tight ass and include some tx fee it will be instant
22:46	MisterE	lol AOL
22:46	MGK	yeah I cashed out from ghash 30mins ago
22:46	danielpbarron	bitcoin is slow????? try getting your FIAT in 30 minutes
22:47	MisterE	you can, Western Union but you will pay dearly for it
22:47	MGK	if btc was so great I wouldnt need FIAT
22:47	mircea_popescu	sepa is about five minutes.
22:47	danielpbarron	if you need FIAT then why do you want BTC??
22:47	minersdidit	it depends where you send WU too
22:47	minersdidit	to some places its cheap
22:47	MisterE	true there is also SWIFT
22:48	minersdidit	lol go send btc in 5minutes to someone you cant even locate it in a city
22:48	minersdidit	20% atm fee and palm print
22:48	danielpbarron	minersdidit: that's still FIAT
22:48	TestingUnoDosTre	pretty sure I can send btc without an atm or a palm print
22:48	minersdidit	go get one i said.
22:48	MisterE	btc finds them wherever they go with their wallet
22:48	danielpbarron	Bitcoin doesn't require a palm print; that's FIAT's doing
22:49	minersdidit	no thats just stupid nerds and robocoins doing
22:49	minersdidit	WU does not ask for a palm print lol
22:49	MGK	last block mined was 1hr 13min ago
22:49	MGK	lmao
22:49	danielpbarron	WU charges like 16 bucks
22:49	MGK	bitcoins dead yo
22:50	minersdidit	danielpbarron yea and localbitcoins has like a 3-10% spread.
22:50	minersdidit	nobody earns a bitcoin income other then miners
22:50	danielpbarron	you keep criticizing Bitcoin for FIAT's problems
22:50	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00583999 = 0.584 BTC [-]
22:50	minersdidit	no im criticizing it for bitcoins problems
22:50	minersdidit	how can you get any if 80% of them are held by 50 people
22:51	MisterE	you've yet to articulate an accurate problem that I've seen
22:51	*	danielpbarron slaps himself
22:51	MisterE	they are infinitely divisible
22:51	minersdidit	even if you offer services and producers youll never get any customers
22:51	minersdidit	since nobody has them in the first place lol
22:51	minersdidit	products*
22:51	MGK	LOL
22:52	MisterE	you're probably right
22:52	TestingUnoDosTre	holy shit 1 hr 13 minutes
22:52	MisterE	no sense wasting your time here with a failed technology eh?
22:52	MisterE	how abotu moving along
22:52	MGK	I just said that testing
22:52	MGK	bitcoin is dead yo
22:52	danielpbarron	I wonder if a bunch of miners turned off their rigs with the price dip
22:52	MGK	I wish
22:52	minersdidit	why would they do that?
22:52	MGK	but that wont be the case ever
22:52	minersdidit	even at 360 its free money
22:53	TestingUnoDosTre	i hope so because I bet that it won't get over 9b in may :D
22:53	minersdidit	costs like $2 to mine a btc
22:53	MisterE	danielpbarron: thats exactly what happend
22:53	mircea_popescu	http://pando.com/2014/04/10/wtf-healbe-scampaign-reaches-1m-thanks-to-undisclosed-contribution-from-indiegogos-hardware-chief/
22:53	danielpbarron	it costs electricity, minersdidit
22:53	ozbot	WTF? Healbe scampaign reaches $1m thanks to undisclosed contribution from Indiegogo’s hardware chi
22:53	mircea_popescu	indiegogo goes havelock lol
22:53	MGK	and GHAH mines the block
22:53	danielpbarron	minersdidit: there is a very predictable price point at which miners are better off buying BTC rather than buying electricity to mine
22:54	minersdidit	danielpbarron: you are clueless. producing an ASIC costs nothing, just becuase some scam companies sell them to retail tards for 20,000% markup does not mean they cost alot to make. the concentrated miners are producing BTC for next to free.
22:55	minersdidit	some tard in his basement maybe has high costs
22:55	minersdidit	the big operations dont
22:55	danielpbarron	minersdidit: right, but that has nothing to do with operating costs
22:55	minersdidit	the operating costs are 2 dollars a coin and you sell for 370
22:55	minersdidit	its not rocket science lol
22:55	minersdidit	to a "believer"
22:56	minersdidit	tard trades paycheck for what a miner produced out of thin air
22:57	minersdidit	only reason mining hardware is sold in the first place is because of the 20,000% markups and you get straight up fiat without having to mine BTC first then do the pain in the ass conversion
22:57	minersdidit	so its like you already mined the rewards when you sell hardware
22:58	danielpbarron	hey i'm not saying mining isn't scammy
22:58	minersdidit	now think about that lol
22:58	minersdidit	its like selling call options all day
22:58	danielpbarron	i think buying mining equipment is stupid
22:58	Duffer1	i'm trying not to, everything you've said is so wrong in so many ways it's giving me a headache
22:58	minersdidit	yea sure
22:59	TestingUnoDosTre	it's true though
22:59	minersdidit	tards labor away and get their paycheck to hand over to ASK side. you know someone has to be selling BTC for fiat. if its the "future" why are they selling it
22:59	minersdidit	miners are on the ask side since they are the only ones with BTC incomes
22:59	TestingUnoDosTre	please perform a calculation with known hardware at current difficulty and electricity costs minersdidit
22:59	danielpbarron	my income is BTC denominated
22:59	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00095807 = 11.5926 BTC [+] {2}
22:59	minersdidit	dude that calculation is meanigless because half these asics cost jackshit
22:59	danielpbarron	trying to start a Bitcoin business lol
22:59	minersdidit	the power consumption is low
23:00	Duffer1	also calculate how much is being sold vs how much isn't
23:00	TestingUnoDosTre	I know algebra is difficult
23:00	minersdidit	people are producing coins for free
23:00	minersdidit	next to free
23:00	danielpbarron	you are totally wrong there, minersdidit
23:00	minersdidit	retail tards have to make back their equipment they paid 20,000% markup for
23:00	TestingUnoDosTre	it's TOTES for free
23:00	danielpbarron	right, miners are dumb, we agree there
23:00	minersdidit	retail end miners are stupid
23:00	minersdidit	guys who get asics for pennys are smart
23:01	danielpbarron	yes, again, i agree
23:01	minersdidit	even they realized its better to sell for fiat at 20,000% profit then mining BTCs lol.
23:01	danielpbarron	they might even have used that 20000% markup to buy BTC
23:01	minersdidit	um no
23:02	minersdidit	they buy cars, houses, business's
23:02	danielpbarron	good for them, they deserve it
23:02	minersdidit	well stockholm syndrome 101
23:02	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00095686 = 0.7655 BTC [-]
23:02	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 27 @ 0.03417221 = 0.9226 BTC [-] {11}
23:02	minersdidit	tards think they are participating or buying a piece of "technology" lol all they are doing is transfering wealth from 1 party to another
23:03	TestingUnoDosTre	now you're just going all minarchist on us
23:03	minersdidit	ask yourself whose on the sell side when 50 people own almost all the coins?
23:03	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05141349 = 1.0283 BTC [-] {5}
23:03	TestingUnoDosTre	you could say the same thing about... anything with value
23:04	TestingUnoDosTre	does everyone own equal amounts of oil
23:04	TestingUnoDosTre	how about gold
23:04	TestingUnoDosTre	real estate?
23:04	minersdidit	oil gets consumed
23:04	minersdidit	bitcoin has zero utility outside of its EXCHANGE value.
23:04	minersdidit	everything youve named has utility outside of exchange
23:04	TestingUnoDosTre	same thing with DOLLARS
23:04	minersdidit	dollars are needed to pay debts off
23:04	danielpbarron	(read: taxes)
23:04	TestingUnoDosTre	and gold?
23:05	TestingUnoDosTre	please explain the great utility of gold to me
23:05	minersdidit	gold is special because it has a high stock to flow ratio
23:05	danielpbarron	BTC is needed to pay BTC debts off
23:05	minersdidit	no other commodity has that property
23:05	benkay	what suckers have btc debts?
23:05	minersdidit	ie in 24hrs more gold is traded then mined in a given year
23:05	danielpbarron	wait what? gold is good for the same reason Bitcoin is bad??
23:05	minersdidit	so you never have supply surprises
23:05	benkay	give it 80 years, and bitcoin will be in the same position.
23:05	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 33 @ 0.05020911 = 1.6569 BTC [-] {5}
23:05	minersdidit	bitcoin has no value outside of exchange
23:06	minersdidit	you cant do anything with a btc
23:06	benkay	'cept of course send it to someone in argentina
23:06		can't do anything with a dollar
23:06	benkay	or colombia
23:06	minersdidit	if theres no liquidity the price collapses like now
23:06	TestingUnoDosTre	you seriosuly can't do much with gold
23:06	TestingUnoDosTre	sersly
23:06	minersdidit	you cant do ANYTHING with btc
23:06	minersdidit	its not even something.
23:06	minersdidit	if theres no exchange liquidity the value tanks like now
23:06	TestingUnoDosTre	actually
23:07	TestingUnoDosTre	you can verify a certain hash of a file at a given time
23:07	nubbins`	;;ticker
23:07	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 355.68, Best ask: 356.89, Bid-ask spread: 1.21000, Last trade: 356.89, 24 hour volume: 61196.03807026, 24 hour low: 339.79, 24 hour high: 436.06, 24 hour vwap: 389.993712597
23:07	minersdidit	lol
23:07	TestingUnoDosTre	and you can send a message
23:07	nubbins`	lel
23:07	MisterE	god has some industrial uses too
23:07	nubbins`	dat rate
23:07	TestingUnoDosTre	NUBBINS QUIT IT WITH ALL YOUR ;;TICKER S
23:07	MisterE	it's being consumed slowly
23:07	benkay	holy fuck that's a descent rate
23:07	minersdidit	bitcoin has zero useage outside of its liquidity pool
23:07	nubbins`	TestingUnoDosTre: once is fine, spamming with it isn't ;)
23:07		who's the guy that keeps repeating the same statement over and over
23:07		oh, that's right, the troll
23:08	minersdidit	oh look dumbass is here
23:08	minersdidit	go back to #bitcoin
23:08	*	nubbins` yawns
23:08		oh look, jackass that has to name himself after his argument so he doesn't forget
23:08	akstunt600	hahha [\\\] hey [\\\]
23:08	Duffer1	his earlier talk about quantum economics gave me hope of interesting discussion, i was dissapointed
23:08	minersdidit	gmaxwell let you out of the basement today?
23:08	TestingUnoDosTre	lol
23:08		minersdidit, gmaxwell has nothing to do with me
23:08	danielpbarron	lol, quantum economics
23:08		gladd to see you still have a mancrush
23:08	minersdidit	arent you his bitch
23:08	TestingUnoDosTre	laughing at duffer, for the record
23:08	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.04918049 = 2.459 BTC [-] {4}
23:09	Duffer1	hehe
23:09		...No.
23:09		I do what I want, when I want. gmaxwell and I have no affiliation.
23:09	TestingUnoDosTre	what caused the flood of retard into this channel today?
23:09	minersdidit	whose taking bets on when the bitcoin core has another security fuckup
23:09		TestingUnoDosTre, its easy to be a bear when there's a downtrend.
23:09		They all disappear during the bull markets.
23:09	MisterE	The troll is strong here today, must be the exchange price has brought it out
23:10	danielpbarron	i've never even used Bitcoin Core; who cares
23:10	MisterE	^ that
23:10	Duffer1	testing i was thinking it was one of the talk twitter heads mircea_popescu pissed off..
23:10		TestingUnoDosTre, MisterE, the trolls usually come out about now.
23:10		if you've been around for a few years, you notice the pattern.
23:10	minersdidit	hopefully this bear market leads to most of the devoplment team leaving. gavin going is a positive step
23:10	minersdidit	then we can make a decent bottom
23:10	akstunt600	wait untill newfag season
23:10	MisterE	this is my first dip with the #-assets crew :)
23:10	Duffer1	i actually hope the same thing miners
23:10		Gavin hasn't left. He's just not the lead dev.
23:10	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.04811428 = 1.684 BTC [-] {3}
23:10	MisterE	fun fun
23:11		MisterE, I'm sorry.
23:11	TestingUnoDosTre	<MisterE> samesies
23:11	benkay	by my count we're solidly in the middle of september, akstunt600
23:11	MisterE	wish it happened more often heh
23:11	akstunt600	hahahhaha benkay
23:11	minersdidit	this bear market wont end until most of the core developmeant team is gone and btc foundation closed
23:11	MisterE	oh newfag season must be even teh worst
23:11	TestingUnoDosTre	please don't associate those two entities together
23:11		lol
23:11	MisterE	never even thought of it
23:11	minersdidit	why not
23:12	minersdidit	its the same group of people
23:12	danielpbarron	idk, i like a lot of what minersdidit says
23:12		the ignore list grows by one
23:12	TestingUnoDosTre	it's like comparing the Winkelvii brothers with satoshi
23:12	benkay	core dev team and btc fundation are pretty tightly aligned
23:12	minersdidit	satoshi left because he realized the fucktards in the project and didnt want anything to do with them
23:12	MisterE	yea minersdidit is clearly not dumb
23:12	nubbins`	who's satoshi?
23:12	TestingUnoDosTre	touche
23:12	benkay	who's nubbins` ?
23:12		minersdidit, quotation needed.
23:12	nubbins`	oooooo
23:12	benkay	ka-zong
23:12	nubbins`	who IS me?
23:13	benkay	who even ams you!
23:13	MisterE	Satishi Whogivesafuck
23:13	TestingUnoDosTre	;;whoami
23:13	gribble	I don't recognize you.
23:13		where did satoshi ever call Gavin a fucktard?
23:13	TestingUnoDosTre	:(
23:13	minersdidit	when he left
23:13		In fact, satoshi was the one that gave Gavin rights.
23:13	minersdidit	hence the leaving.
23:13		herpderp
23:13	minersdidit	gavin has been a disaster ever since fork, constant patches and fucked up releases
23:13		You've got your info wrong, in traditional troll fashion.
23:13	minersdidit	.9 lasted what 48hrs?
23:13		but who needs facts
23:13	minersdidit	before being exploitable
23:14	MisterE	minersdidit: why don't you code someting better
23:14	Duffer1	do you have any bitcoins minersdidit?
23:14	TestingUnoDosTre	has anyone been keeping tabs on any satoshi addesses, is s/he to blame for this downtrend?!?!?!
23:14	MisterE	easy to rip on others
23:14		.9 was barely exploitable.
23:14	MisterE	not so to create solutions
23:14	minersdidit	yea it lasted 2 days before .91
23:14	*	danielpbarron was completely uneffected by the "exploit"
23:14		and 2/3 of the internet was hit by it.
23:14	minersdidit	why was it in the software in the first place
23:14		so to make a fuss becaues bitcoin was caught is rather stupid
23:14		because RPC over SSL isn't a bad thing.
23:14	minersdidit	http://trilema.com/2014/the-sins-of-the-group-of-posers-behind-the-so-called-bitcoin-foundation/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
23:14	ozbot	The sins of the group of posers behind the so called “Bitcoin Foundation” pe Trilema - Un blog d
23:15	minersdidit	best article on the topic
23:15	Duffer1	do you have any bitcoins minersdidit?
23:15	danielpbarron	minersdidit: because a bunch of the devs are sucking up to FIAT and are trying to make Bitcoin jive well with the old system
23:15	minersdidit	no i sold months ago
23:15	TestingUnoDosTre	<---- lost all his bitcoins to Ukranian videochatters in 2010
23:15		Its easy to pull out quotes that are right when you make thousands of them. how about you point out all the quotes that were wrong?
23:15	minersdidit	whenever i saw bitcoin foundation mugs i knew i was doing the right thing
23:15		shittons of false claims
23:15		keep making claims until one comes true
23:15		ala jesus
23:16	TestingUnoDosTre	lol
23:16	minersdidit	go back to your basement dude
23:16	danielpbarron	can't say I don't wish I sold months ago
23:16	minersdidit	gmaxwell awaits
23:16		woah, did I outtroll the troll?
23:16		I think I did
23:16	TestingUnoDosTre	speaking of jesus... who's celebrating his resurrection this year with a fatty?
23:16	minersdidit	the fact is the developmeant team are tards and amateurs
23:16		since he had to go back to his gmaxwell boner
23:16	mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTre no way they took btc in 2010 ?!
23:16	mircea_popescu	[\\\] dude you come on like once a year and then to argue with my ignore list. wtf is this.
23:16		mircea_popescu, isn't it past your bedtime?
23:17		:p
23:17	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.048 = 0.48 BTC [-]
23:17		mircea_popescu: ikr
23:17		its the same troll
23:17		different nick
23:17		its cute , almost
23:17	benkay	must be spring break
23:17		probably some butthurt litecoin miner
23:17	benkay	tib, don't you have skirt to chase?
23:17	MisterE	Ukrainian cam girls on the BTC bleeding edge TestingUnoDosTre? I missed the golden age :/
23:18	TestingUnoDosTre	<mircea_popescu> ok maybe it didn't happen. just remembered someone posting an old scam of some person scamming for some allaged underage european chicks accepting bitcoin for videochat
23:18	mircea_popescu	wasn't that... taaki ?
23:19	mircea_popescu	[\\\]'s other gf ?
23:19	TestingUnoDosTre	please pull up the article... it was hilarious
23:19	MisterE	plot thickens
23:19	*	sets mode: +r
23:20	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointa.lk/threads/erotic-chat-by-skype.2703/?
23:20	TestingUnoDosTre	YESSSSSS
23:20	TestingUnoDosTre	anything goes!!!
23:20	mircea_popescu	guy's not russian, he just has some skin condition.
23:21	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 44 @ 0.0447519 = 1.9691 BTC [-] {4}
23:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 35 @ 0.02818544 = 0.9865 BTC [-] {15}
23:22	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0485 = 0.1455 BTC [+] {2}
23:23	TestingUnoDosTre	this chat returned to normalcy after I ignored minersdidit :(
23:24	Duffer1	he stopped talking :P
23:24	akstunt600	TestingUnoDosTre, Oh good it wasnt just you
23:24	benkay	wait 'till minersdiditi through minersdiditxiv show up
23:24	akstunt600	He was ...... interesting
23:25	TestingUnoDosTre	hahhaha
23:25	akstunt600	fuck
23:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0463675 = 0.2782 BTC [-] {3}
23:25	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.025 = 0.275 BTC [-] {2}
23:25		see you in a year
23:25	TestingUnoDosTre	noooo!
23:25	minersdidit	later scumbag
23:25	akstunt600	hahhahha
23:26		akstunt600: so much more fun than pricetalk, eh?
23:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.04547002 = 0.5911 BTC [-] {5}
23:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4827 @ 0.00014999 = 0.724 BTC [+] {2}
23:26	akstunt600	yes
23:26	akstunt600	and more intelligible convos
23:26	akstunt600	I love it
23:26	MisterE	"exchanger_006: is it a good time to buy now guys? its looking like a huge pump?" // exchanger_006, Just burn your money you will at least get some BTUs out of it that way.
23:27	TestingUnoDosTre	alright but one thing he did mention that I was picturing last night was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_and_flow
23:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 805 @ 0.00079999 = 0.644 BTC [+] {2}
23:27	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 24 @ 0.025 = 0.6 BTC [-] {2}
23:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 179 @ 0.00084998 = 0.1521 BTC [+] {2}
23:28	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58998 BTC [+]
23:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.04500003 = 0.315 BTC [-]
23:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.025 = 0.25 BTC [-]
23:29	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 325 @ 0.0075 = 2.4375 BTC [+]
23:29	MisterE	;;later tell minersdidit http://imgur.com/gallery/LdXYO9d
23:29	gribble	The operation succeeded.
23:30	TestingUnoDosTre	hahahahah
23:30	minersdidit	lol
23:31	MisterE	:)
23:32	TestingUnoDosTre	I want to buy more bitcoin, but I was a tid bit too impatient over the last couple weeks. Thoughts, words, advice?
23:33	minersdidit	dont
23:34	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59 = 1.18 BTC [+]
23:34	minersdidit	buy mpex stock instead
23:36	mircea_popescu	http://dpaste.com/1776187/
23:36	ozbot	dpaste: #1776187
23:36	minersdidit	buy mirceas role playing game lmao
23:36	mircea_popescu	srsly ? coincrack ?
23:37	minersdidit	http://www.eulorum.org/Eulora
23:37	ozbot	Eulorum
23:37	minersdidit	lol
23:38	minersdidit	http://www.eulorum.org/File:Eulora-004-ss2.jpg
23:38	minersdidit	8months and thousands of btc later
23:40	Duffer1	i don't see a need to hate on eulora
23:41	minersdidit	well yea it was just a scam to take btc off people like all of mirceas listings
23:42	Duffer1	interesting
23:42	minersdidit	you must be new
23:42	Duffer1	that's unfortunately true
23:47	TestingUnoDosTre	can't believe I never have watched Huobi on bitcoinwisdom... this is like btcCrack
23:48	minersdidit	most of its volume is fake
23:49	MisterE	heh fake orders are fake
23:49	MisterE	they get pulled so much
23:49	MisterE	750k LTC in 30 min yea right!
23:49	minersdidit	bobby lees brother runs it doesnt he
23:49	minersdidit	the troll who spawned litecoin
23:49	steven-__	btc china guys brother made ltc
23:50	MisterE	thoght bobby did
23:50	minersdidit	yea asians
23:50	minersdidit	theyll copy anything
23:50	MisterE	haha so true
23:50	minersdidit	charlie lee is touted as some type of inventor becuase he copy and pasted bitcoins source code lol
23:50	akstunt600	http://www.reddit.com/r/litecoinmining/comments/22qr28/no_profit_there_may_be_a_way_through_market_cap/
23:50	akstunt600	lol at that
23:50	akstunt600	i had to comment
23:51	akstunt600	ohhh minersdidit i think your touching on one of my theories
23:51	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9155 @ 0.00096132 = 8.8009 BTC [+] {2}
23:51	minersdidit	whats that
23:51	akstunt600	I think okcoin and huobi are in on it with CB
23:51	akstunt600	well less CB and more Charles lees
23:51	minersdidit	those arent even real exchanges
23:52	akstunt600	and others
23:52	akstunt600	like caleb chen etc
23:52	akstunt600	minersdidit, thats wha im saying they are gibling up cheap coins
23:52	minersdidit	the real exchanges on bitcoin have no volume
23:52	akstunt600	yup
23:52	minersdidit	bitstamp is another sham as well youll never get large $$ out of it
23:53	minersdidit	unless you an insider
23:53	akstunt600	heh
23:53	akstunt600	i use cryptsy
23:53	akstunt600	its small but it works
23:53	minersdidit	they dont have fiat
23:53	akstunt600	im small tho so its suiting
23:53	akstunt600	they will shortly
23:53	akstunt600	im stuuck on CB until then
23:53	MisterE	btce here
23:53	akstunt600	but again thats not even an exchange really
23:53	minersdidit	btce is alright
23:53	minersdidit	bitstamp is another mtgox in the making with those 2 scumbags running it imo
23:54	MisterE	for dodgy Bulgarians :p
23:54	akstunt600	hahhahah yup
23:54	*	danielpbarron has gone otc
23:54	minersdidit	dude otc is for people with 20 dollar trades
23:54	minersdidit	the fact that its 2014 and theres not a single reliable btc exchange that is safe
23:56	akstunt600	pretty ridiculous
23:58	minersdidit	wheres all the VC money too lol
23:58	akstunt600	its here
23:58	akstunt600	you wont see it on the exchanges tho
23:58	akstunt600	;-)
23:58	minersdidit	what about the transmission payments to the poor african farmer
23:59	MisterE	Vodaphone processes most of those now
23:59	MisterE	moves most of the money via mobile phone for rural South Africans I was reading recently

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